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Jabbz
02-03-2017, 07:32
Town wins on day 5 following the concession of the last remaining scum. GG all.

At the fall of the previous day, the Archmage, leader of the Mage’s Council, was slain by parties unknown. All throughout the keep heard and sensed the magics being used in this battle, but most were sealed into their rooms by a powerful magic. The various mages have spent the previous evening in meditation and preparation for what is to come.

The sun finally arises over the horizon after tense hours of waiting for members of the Council. Just moments after the first rays of sunlight strike their Keep, the spell blocking the mages doors falters. Throughout the keep mages slowly and cautiously leave their rooms and make their way towards the center, towards the Archmage’s chambers.

As was to be expected the devastation was significant. Vast magics were thrown around, and some of them had a truly alien feel about them, the feel of corruption. It was not clear who attacked the Archmage, but what is clear is that the individual or individuals involved were themselves of the Council, for none other than they were able to enter the keep. It did not take long for each mage to realize their very lives were now at risk.

With their leader gone, the mages discussions rapidly turned towards bickering and blaming, and nearly came to blows. Before that happened however, a consensus of sorts was reached. Letting a corrupt mage into the world was too great a risk, so each mage would subject themselves to Trials of Purity. These trials would destroy any that were tainted by corruption. Unfortunately, even those not tainted still would face banishment to another plane of existence for 100 days, and while there, their bodies would be vulnerable to destruction.

Because of this, none were inclined to go first, either from fear of death, or fear of victory at the hands of the corrupted. In an attempt to address this, they decided to use that which they praised most, logic, to decide the order they would be exposed to the trial. Day one begins with these discussions.


The flavor from role PM’s will be made available after the game for those interested in knowing more about the setting.

Jabbz
02-03-2017, 07:33
Game Rules.

Please pay close attention as some of these rules are from where I usually host, which means they might not be what you are used to.

Breaking rules will result in penalties ranging from warnings to loss of abilities, being mod killed, or being replaced at the GM’s discretion.


Do not discuss when you received your role PM or any other GM communication. Do not quote from your PM, paraphrasing is fine. Do not take screenshots or any other workarounds that might allow someone to confirm your role.
Players may not communicate with other players unless otherwise notified by the GM that it is acceptable, and only through channels they authorize.
If you have any questions of the GM, send it via PM. GM will only answer basic questions such as clarification of the posted rules, time till lynch, or vote count. All other questions will be ignored. Non-response on the part of the GM is neither confirmation nor denial of the question.



During the day phase each player must cast one vote for someone to be lynched.
Votes must be posted in RED text or they will not count. Votes with spelling errors of names do count, so long as it’s unambiguous in the GM’s opinion whom is being voted for. Votes embedded in quotes do not count.
Voting is mandatory. Voting no lynch or abstain is not an option. Failure to vote is subject to penalties up to and including being mod killed. Failure to vote on two separate occasions will automatically initiate a modkill and a loss.
The player with the most lynch votes at the end of the day is lynched, and eliminated from the game. In the event of a tie, the lynch will be resolved in a pre-determined manner that makes sense to the GM. Only the GM lynch tally is official.
Following death you will be allowed one posthumous post that doesn’t contribute to the discussion. IE GG, assholes, I’ll get you next time, etc. There will be a dead quicktopic, and you will be given the address once you have passed on.
Alignment and role will be revealed upon death.
If all players are simultaneously eliminated, the game reaches a stalemate situation, or a tie is achieved, scum will win.
All details about how a player died will be strictly flavor, with the exception of the disclosure of their faction and role.


Days are 48 hours long, nights are 24 hours long unless otherwise noted. Starting time for both phases is 12:00 PST or 20:00 GMT. The forum clock is used as the official clock. Votes and actions posted at 11:59 count, votes and actions posted at 12:00 do not. Stop posting at 12:00.
In the event of extended forum downtime or downtime that occurs in close proximity of the deadline or some other event that disrupts the game, the day may be extended 24 hours at the GM's discretion.
Do not post after the end of the day or night cycle until the GM has posted. You must check PM’s before posting at the start of each day to verify that you are still alive.
Posting at night is acceptable in the main thread.



To prevent confusion that may arise in the case of cross posting, posts may not be edited for any reason.

Jabbz
02-03-2017, 07:33
Day One Resolution (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053737435&viewfull=1#post2053737435)
Night One Resolution (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053737619&viewfull=1#post2053737619)
Day Two Resolution (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053738139&viewfull=1#post2053738139)
Night Two Resolution (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053738303&viewfull=1#post2053738303)
Day Three Resolution (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053738720&viewfull=1#post2053738720)
Night Three Resolution (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053738847&viewfull=1#post2053738847)

Player List. Order from Signup Sheet.

Living Players.

[
1. GeneralHankerchief (Mason) survived.
2. Montmorency (Guild Member) survived.
3. Choxorn (Guild Member) survived.
4. Arakhor (Guild Member) survived.
5. Csargo (Guild Member) survived.
6. Winston Hughes (Hunter) survived.
7. Kcaz (Guild Member) survived.
8. Renata (Mason) survived.
9. Lewwyn (Guild Member) survived.

The Deceased
Dp101 (Corrupted Mage) Lynched on day one. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053737435&viewfull=1#post2053737435)
Al Sipsclar (Corrupted Mage) Killed Night one. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053737619&viewfull=1#post2053737619)
Bsmith (Guild Member Killed Night one.) (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053737619&viewfull=1#post2053737619)
Visor (Corrupted Mage)Lynched on day two. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053738139&viewfull=1#post2053738139)
Atheotes (Guild Member) Killed Night Two (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053738303&viewfull=1#post2053738303)
Sooh (Betrayer [Serial Killer]) Lynched on day Three (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-In-Play&p=2053738720&viewfull=1#post2053738720)
Snerk (Corrupted Mage) Self Lynched on the morning of Day 5, conceding the game to town. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-Concluded&p=2053739055&viewfull=1#post2053739055)

List of QT's and the Master Spread Sheet (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-Concluded&p=2053739056&viewfull=1#post2053739056)

Full PM Text (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152488-Swords-and-Sorcery-Mafia-Without-the-Swords-Concluded&p=2053739060&viewfull=1#post2053739060)

Jabbz
02-03-2017, 07:33
Mechanics explanation and clarification.

Each player has been given a mana total and a list of spells to select from.

Think of mana as two separate values that are spent differently, and each spell simply has the same numerical value for both types.

In the first instance think of mana as capacity points. If you are told you have 5 mana, you have 5 capacity points. Those capacity points are used to select spells up to and including that capacity. Since Tier 1 spells cost 1 mana, Tier 2 spells cost 2 mana, and Tier 3 spells cost 4 mana, you could pick any combination of those that do not exceed your capacity. This must be done on night 0 (now).

For example, you could pick one tier 3, and one tier 1 spell, which would use a total of 5 mana. You could also pick two tier 2 and a tier 1, or any other combination resulting in 5 or less. You do not have to spend all of your capacity points.

The second part of mana is its usage. This is what is consumed after the game begins. If on night one you wish to cast your level 3 spell, it will consume 4 mana, leaving you with 1 remaining. If for some reason you lost access to two points of your mana (mod punishment for rule violation, hostile spells, events, etc) and you had not cast any spells, you would now have 3 mana total. This would mean you would not be able to cast your tier 3 spell, as it costs four points, but you would still be able to cast your tier 1 spell, and the remaining 2 mana would sit unspent unless something else happened.

I hope this clarifies any questions you may have, if it does not, please don't hesitate to PM me.

Jabbz
02-04-2017, 09:06
Day One Begins

Jabbz
02-05-2017, 00:05
In case you missed it in the edit, you may now post.

Renata
02-05-2017, 00:07
Good afternoon, scumbags and normal people.

Arakhor
02-05-2017, 00:09
Csargo is one of the names I don't recognise, so clearly we must deal with suspicious strangers first!

Dp101
02-05-2017, 00:10
Hi everyone!

Renata
02-05-2017, 00:10
Hi Arakahor!

Renata
02-05-2017, 00:11
Maybe Dp gets a hi, maybe not. Depends if he's a scumbag.

Dp101
02-05-2017, 00:14
Maybe Dp gets a hi, maybe not. Depends if he's a scumbag.

Why ;-;

Snerk
02-05-2017, 00:20
I'm 100% sure Renata is scum. You're welcome.

Renata
02-05-2017, 00:22
Why ;-;

A lady doesn't consort with scumbags, that's why.

Renata
02-05-2017, 00:23
I'm 100% sure Renata is scum. You're welcome.

Silly boy, that was last game. This game I'm a townie.

Arakhor
02-05-2017, 00:28
Hiya, Reanata. Long time, no see. ~:)

Renata
02-05-2017, 00:31
Over five years since we've played together, I think. How's CFC been treating you?

Snerk
02-05-2017, 00:39
We are treating him pretty badly to be honest. But he still hangs out. :)

Al Sipsclar
02-05-2017, 00:51
Hi everyone! Reading up.

Vote: BSmith

Renata
02-05-2017, 00:53
We are treating him pretty badly to be honest. But he still hangs out. :)

Nice, lol.

Montmorency
02-05-2017, 00:58
My logic says that we check the archmage's library on how to detect unknown magics. Then we kill the traitors.

Don't mess with me: I know Force Lightning.

Vote: Renata

Renata
02-05-2017, 01:02
Vote: Montmorency

Obligatory fear vote.

Montmorency
02-05-2017, 01:06
You seem copacetic.

Renata
02-05-2017, 01:08
I am very bored this evening.

Choxorn
02-05-2017, 01:11
Vote: Kcaz

Only a traitor would spell his name backwards.

Zack
02-05-2017, 01:37
Vote: Lewwyn

~:wave:

Dp101
02-05-2017, 01:42
Huh, that's annoying. Novice's votecounter is designed to pick up the regular Vote: Lewwyn format, rather than the one used on RB and in this particular game, ie Lewwyn. Might make things interesting.

Renata
02-05-2017, 01:43
We just make Jabbz do manual vote counts every hour on the hour.

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 01:44
~~~An Appreciation of One of Our Betters~~~

Friends, Orgahs, fellow countrymen. I stand before you all today with the intent to extol the many virtues of one of our number. You may be surprised by whom I about to speak of, but the reason for my doing so is simple: Among his many admirable qualities, his humility perhaps shines most gloriously of them all. Thus the task falls upon me to wax poetic about the man who deserves all of the accolades we can think of. I speak, of course, about Zack.

If you're not familiar with Zack, perhaps you might know him by one of his alter egos. Zaccino, ZackCFC, he even briefly went as Zackbeard in a very successful tenure aboard the legendary vessel Presence where, of course, he was immediately named Captain and steered the ship home and presided over the smallest loss of life in all three of the ship's great voyages. His gold total accumulated from that expedition still singlehandedly pays for the satisfaction - and pleasure! - of many a night worker in Nassau even today, and his name still rightly strikes fear in the heart of many a Frenchman.

He is a decorated and exemplary host, welding together many universes in his famous None Shall Pass series with the raw power of an overclocked jackhammer yet also the fine precision of a razor for ants. In terms of hosting games set in an established universe - which I notoriously despise - there is perhaps no finer and more talented figure at this than Zack. His Futurama game aptly demonstrates his skill at this always-difficult task.

Zack's skill as a player is also, of course, unmatched. Truly Visor's better half, Zack has weaved through the myriad of thankless roles he has been assigned over the years, always cutting the most dashing figure on the dance floor that is our lives. He also made the finals of the annual Mafia Championships a year before such noted competitors as GeneralHankerchief, Apoc, and Newcomb, and did better than Askthepizzaguy, who could only muster up a N1 death while Zack, as part of the winning mafia team, gentlemanly subbed out on D2 in order to give the doomed town at least a fighting chance.

Yes, truly Zack is a shining example and role model to all of us on all possible fronts that you can think of. While I, GeneralHankerchief, may have been around the longest, while Sasaki Kojiro was the most influential of us in the early days, while Askthepizzaguy may have more posts, and while seireikhaan may be my best internet friend (and occasional secret dalliance partner), there is one person who shines above them - and us - all. I speak of the one and only...

Heart-stopping,

Pants-dropping,

House-rocking,

Earth-quaking,

Booty-shaking,

Logic-taking,

Looooooove-making...

The one...
The only...

The great...

ZACK!!!

Long may he grace us with his presence!

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 01:45
Wait, wrong game.

Vote: Sooh

Renata
02-05-2017, 01:48
Ahhahahah. Such a classic. :)

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 01:49
I wonder if I should make that my opening post for every .Org mafia game from here on out.

Visor
02-05-2017, 01:56
Vote: Atheotes

:stare:

Choxorn
02-05-2017, 01:56
Yes, but mix it up a bit from time to time, come with a few slightly different references and comments.

Alternatively, start every org game with a long paragraph paraphrasing someone playing the game that isn't Zack.

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 01:57
Vote: Atheotes

:stare:

Going for an easy lurker lynch to start the game off, eh?

Dp101
02-05-2017, 02:02
I wonder if I should make that my opening post for every .Org mafia game from here on out.

You really should.

Montmorency
02-05-2017, 02:08
Visor is innocent.

Renata
02-05-2017, 02:08
Dp, I still don't know if I'm allowed to consort with you.

Dp101
02-05-2017, 02:23
Dp, I still don't know if I'm allowed to consort with you.

How could you know, it's only been 5 hours.

Renata
02-05-2017, 03:31
Visor is innocent.

Nah.

Montmorency
02-05-2017, 03:39
Nah.

You could be right.

Dp101
02-05-2017, 03:48
Nah.

Shock, horror, gasp!

Zack
02-05-2017, 03:50
That post is still hilarious, GH. :laugh4:

Zack
02-05-2017, 03:57
Vote: Atheotes

:stare:

wolfclaim imo

https://media.giphy.com/media/HP5dest4oOHf2/giphy.gif

Montmorency
02-05-2017, 04:13
Three scum for role madness. Visor, Renata, DP101. Boom.

https://i.imgur.com/icWiunu.gif

atheotes
02-05-2017, 04:17
Vote: Atheotes

:stare:

:stare:

Vote: Visor

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 04:18
Vote: Monty

You stole my gif. :stare:

atheotes
02-05-2017, 04:19
Going for an easy lurker lynch to start the game off, eh?

The preferred term is "Low Poster"

Montmorency
02-05-2017, 04:22
Vote: Monty

You stole my gif. :stare:

Sorry, wrong one.

https://i.imgur.com/8QVcfs2.gif

atheotes
02-05-2017, 05:52
Sorry, wrong one.

https://i.imgur.com/8QVcfs2.gif

so you are the wolf masquerading as town?
Vote: Montmorency

Montmorency
02-05-2017, 06:14
Nice try, Visorslash.

Choxorn
02-05-2017, 08:33
Nice Try, Visorslash? He hasn't posted since his vote for atheotes.

Visor
02-05-2017, 09:52
Atheotes is a villager.

Visor
02-05-2017, 09:56
Think Choxorn is one too, but its light.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 11:05
Vote: Kcaz

Only a traitor would spell his name backwards.
See I could easily have gone an entire game without noticing that. Well mebbe not since everybody calls him zack anyway. But Still.

Do Dp101, GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency or Lewwyn play on CFC?

Choxorn
02-05-2017, 11:10
I don't think any of them have, GH and Monty never wanted to leave the Org and dp101 only recently started playing, after CFC Mafia was kill.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 11:17
Choxorn for defeatism. CFC will pull a phoenix and rise from the ashes.









Right?

Arakhor
02-05-2017, 11:50
So, this is how CFC Mafia dies, with thunderous absence.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 12:15
So, this is how CFC Mafia dies, with thunderous absence.
The ancient prophecies tell of a legendary hoster who will rise again. According to the tales he wields a magical keyboard called lightbringer, and with this keyboard he shall host a game so epic that it will reawaken the ancient CFC mafia/notw user base and restore it's subforum to it's former glory. He is called.. Arakhzor Ahai.

atheotes
02-05-2017, 13:53
Visor is town

atheotes
02-05-2017, 13:54
The ancient prophecies tell of a legendary hoster who will rise again. According to the tales he wields a magical keyboard called lightbringer, and with this keyboard he shall host a game so epic that it will reawaken the ancient CFC mafia/notw user base and restore it's subforum to it's former glory. He is called.. Arakhzor Ahai.

Good one. :laugh4:
You can also be town for today

Renata
02-05-2017, 13:58
vote: Snerk

Too much blabber.

Agree choxorn might actually be a townie this time.
Monty shows signs of thought, but it's Monty.
Dp in nullsville.
GH looks relaxed.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 14:05
Too much blabber? Members of the jury, I would like to direct your attention to page one of this thread.

Back to Renata. Glasshouses and all that.

Renata
02-05-2017, 14:06
Yeah, but see, it's OK for me because I'm a townie.

Renata
02-05-2017, 14:41
Having just come out of a mash on MU I'm like where the heck is everybody.

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 14:46
Having just come out of a mash on MU I'm like where the heck is everybody.

Sleeping, mostly.

Do you have explanation for your early reads?

Arakhor
02-05-2017, 14:49
Visor is town

Given that Visor often does really silly things as town, I might be inclined to agree, but I'm not seeing the other throwaway comments about people's innocence or lack thereof.

Renata also looks like she's going to be purified first.

Sooh
02-05-2017, 14:50
Vote: Lewwyn

As promised.

Renata
02-05-2017, 14:53
Choxorn mostly because he's not looking obviously bad the way he did last game in his first couple of posts.
Monty I kind of like that he's trying to put people together -- he's got an eye out for awkward stuff. It's the wrong awkward stuff, but that's probably not his fault.
Don't think the dp read needs explanation, nor the not-quite-a-read on you. I would be happy not to suspect you the whole game again, though, and that's a bias.

Snerk actually is talking a lot about non-game stuff. Could be suspect.

Sooh
02-05-2017, 14:54
ION Renata is suspiciously tryhard here.

FOS.

Sooh
02-05-2017, 14:58
Also edits are bad, Snerk.

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 15:00
ION Renata is suspiciously tryhard here.

FOS.

Nah, she looks fine to me. I suspect Renata really wants a W because she's had a bit of a losing streak lately. This checks out.

Arakhor
02-05-2017, 15:04
ION = in other news?

Renata
02-05-2017, 15:04
Mostly I just want to play.

Renata
02-05-2017, 15:06
But a win would be nice, too.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 15:08
Also edits are bad, Snerk.
You think edits are bad, you should see my typos. But I'll try.

Nah, she looks fine to me. I suspect Renata really wants a W because she's had a bit of a losing streak lately. This checks out.
Disagree. Her frantic opening to a recent all business approach. I'm getting a scum vibe.

Renata
02-05-2017, 15:10
vote: Al sipsclar

Zack
02-05-2017, 15:16
I don't get how trying = scum.

Visor
02-05-2017, 15:16
Given that Visor often does really silly things as town, I might be inclined to agree, but I'm not seeing the other throwaway comments about people's innocence or lack thereof.

Renata also looks like she's going to be purified first.

hey...... that move might've been really silly.... incredibly silly.... but it would've made me win regardless of my alignment iirc due to my power :P

Visor
02-05-2017, 15:17
I don't get how trying = scum.

posting = scum imo

Visor
02-05-2017, 15:18
Mostly I just want to play.

http://kickfailure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ttt_WOPR.png

Renata
02-05-2017, 15:20
I was actually doing chess tactics yesterday.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 15:21
I don't get how trying = scum.
That's oversimplifying it. But in general, scum cares more than town, no? I know I do when I'm scum.

Renata
02-05-2017, 15:23
I think you're in the minority, Snerk.

Visor
02-05-2017, 15:25
renata, do you have any thoughts on choxorns posts in terms of alignment or are you just comparing to last game?

Renata
02-05-2017, 15:30
Just comparing to last game. What about you?

Arakhor
02-05-2017, 15:31
hey...... that move might've been really silly.... incredibly silly.... but it would've made me win regardless of my alignment iirc due to my power :P

Yes, but you didn't know that at the time. I'm honoured that you still remember it though. ~:p

Visor
02-05-2017, 15:36
Just comparing to last game. What about you?
Mostly that his posts compared to that and other scum games are a little less stilted, kinda agendaless, just.... There

Which I find villagery for choxorn (as well as some early content)

Less.. Conformist is what I think I'm trying to say lol

Hard to put into words

Yes, but you didn't know that at the time. I'm honoured that you still remember it though. ~:p

Heh, I'm a seer!

That was a funny moment though, bl probably still facepalms that one

Snerk
02-05-2017, 15:44
I think you're in the minority, Snerk.
Might be. Would surprise me though. Would you say that there's no correlation between your level of enthusiasm towards a game, and the role you're given in said game?

Anybody know if Winston, BSmith or Csargo is active elsewhere?

Renata
02-05-2017, 15:48
I haven't seen them.

I don't think there's a huge difference in my level of enthusiasm towards a game just based on my role. At least not yet.

Zack
02-05-2017, 16:23
That's oversimplifying it. But in general, scum cares more than town, no? I know I do when I'm scum.
No. The opposite if anything - typically a villager will put more effort into solving the game than a wolf who is merely giving the appearance of doing so.

Zack
02-05-2017, 16:25
It also depends heavily on the individual player's personality, obviously, but what i said holds as a general rule. Unless it's a surgical thing for that player (which it definitely isn't for renata), calling someone scum for putting in effort is silly.

Zack
02-05-2017, 16:26
Specific thing for that player. Lol phone.

Renata
02-05-2017, 16:27
A surgical thing?

Renata
02-05-2017, 16:28
We need Takhisis here now to vote you for phone posting. :)

Zack
02-05-2017, 16:30
As a sidenote, I'm going to say there's a 100% chance at least one wolf took the lynchproof spell. And i expect gh to cry when it inevitably happens.

Zack
02-05-2017, 16:31
* searching brain for any wolfy mechanics talk to discuss *

Renata
02-05-2017, 16:32
Note to self: Zack is lynchproof.

Zack
02-05-2017, 16:34
Hi Renata.

What's your approach to reading me going to look like this game? I don't think you ever town-read me in the only scum game you've seen of me so far, but elsewhere you've indicated you're not sure how anyone reads me. No need to worry about me using your answer to help me fool you, because if I'm a wolf I'll just kill you tonight anyways.

Zack
02-05-2017, 16:34
Note to self: Zack is lynchproof.

Lynchproof, bulletproof. I know how you people operate and I prepared myself for it.

Renata
02-05-2017, 16:40
Hi Renata.

What's your approach to reading me going to look like this game? I don't think you ever town-read me in the only scum game you've seen of me so far, but elsewhere you've indicated you're not sure how anyone reads me. No need to worry about me using your answer to help me fool you, because if I'm a wolf I'll just kill you tonight anyways.

I think I'm going to go with tinfoiling you in direct proportion to how towny you appear to me. I had you as potential scum that entire game, then right at the end before you conceded you laid out an attack on one of the other players that was very good and had me thinking you were town. So now I know you have a convincing scum game in you.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 16:41
No. The opposite if anything - typically a villager will put more effort into solving the game than a wolf who is merely giving the appearance of doing so.
Wasn't talking about effort into solving the game, was talking about effort in general. On average I undeniable put more effort into games I'm scum, and work harder to get out of a possible lynch then I do when town. I don't understand your point.

Zack
02-05-2017, 16:43
Wasn't talking about effort into solving the game, was talking about effort in general. On average I undeniable put more effort into games I'm scum, and work harder to get out of a possible lynch then I do when town. I don't understand your point.
Maybe because you keep applying your own personal traits and generalizing it to everyone must be the same as you.

Lewwyn
02-05-2017, 16:45
Sup, I feel late to the party. Fashionably so.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 16:45
I'm not a mind reader so personal experiences is the best outset available to me.

Renata
02-05-2017, 16:46
Hi Lewwyn! I don't actually know if I've ever played with you before.

Lewwyn
02-05-2017, 16:47
Vote: Lewwyn

As promised.

So you did roll scum! Good to know.

Sooh

Lewwyn
02-05-2017, 16:47
Hi Lewwyn! I don't actually know if I've ever played with you before.

We have, it's been maybe 4 years though.

Zack
02-05-2017, 16:48
Don't know what being a mind reader has to do with anything. You can notice trends without reading minds lol.

Renata
02-05-2017, 16:48
Sorry for forgetting, then.

Lewwyn
02-05-2017, 16:51
It also depends heavily on the individual player's personality, obviously, but what i said holds as a general rule. Unless it's a surgical thing for that player (which it definitely isn't for renata), calling someone scum for putting in effort is silly.

Agree. Though I remember the org games being quite mean to effort players. Sort of like, acting above it all is somehow more village like. Let me know if the meta's changed.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 16:51
I forget my manners. GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency, Lewwyn and Dp101, don't think I've ever played with you lot. Hello!

Lewwyn
02-05-2017, 16:53
Sorry for forgetting, then.

No apologies necessary.

Lewwyn
02-05-2017, 16:54
I forget my manners. GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency, Lewwyn and Dp101, don't think I've ever played with you lot. Hello!

Hello, hello.

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 17:01
Agree. Though I remember the org games being quite mean to effort players. Sort of like, acting above it all is somehow more village like. Let me know if the meta's changed.

I'm the mod here and I'll be honest, I have no idea what our meta is at the moment. :laugh4: Mostly because our games have had a lot more cross-pollination from other forums lately and the bulk of our players aren't "homegrown" anymore.

Also, welcome Snerk and Arakhor, and welcome back Lewwyn! ~:wave:

(somebody who's not Snerk/Lewwyn, do these two usually spend this much time at the start of the game talking about general approach/meta?)

Renata
02-05-2017, 17:09
Does Zack?

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 17:11
Does Zack?

I think he's more likely to indulge it on here than he is offsite, which is why I didn't single him out. Townreading him for now.

Zack
02-05-2017, 17:13
Does Zack?

I'm probably not going to bring it up myself, but if someone else does and I disagree with it, I will voice my opinion on the matter.

Renata
02-05-2017, 17:14
Reason I ask is because it's not something I remember him doing in any of the games I've played with him so far, either alignment.

Zack
02-05-2017, 17:14
As either alignment, fwiw. I don't think it's really anything to be concerned about for Snerk or Lewwyn either.

Zack
02-05-2017, 17:16
Reason I ask is because it's not something I remember him doing in any of the games I've played with him so far, either alignment.
Well my issue here was more Snerk's reasoning in his read of you. It kinda turned into a more general thing, but that's not how it started.

Zack
02-05-2017, 17:18
(somebody who's not Snerk/Lewwyn, do these two usually spend this much time at the start of the game talking about general approach/meta?)
It does bother me a little the way GH canvassed for opinions on this, instead of giving one himself.

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 17:19
Reason I ask is because it's not something I remember him doing in any of the games I've played with him so far, either alignment.

It's a bunch of subtle little reasons, part of it how he's been settling into the relaxed atmosphere so far and part of it angle-y stuff that I don't really want to get into here, but I can buy him doing this as town. I think mafia!Zack is more likely to force/manufacture an issue here.

(also, good to know re: Snerk/Lewwyn)

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 17:22
It does bother me a little the way GH canvassed for opinions on this, instead of giving one himself.

Well I have no baseline on Snerk at all and very little on Lewwyn, so I'm looking to establish one first. In a vacuum I'd say it's the tiniest of scum-leaning, but not if it's specifially in anyone's town range.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 17:23
Well my issue here was more Snerk's reasoning in his read of you. It kinda turned into a more general thing, but that's not how it started. It always turns into a different thing. With all my views pornographically warped into some extreme with zero view for any nuance.


It does bother me a little the way GH canvassed for opinions on this, instead of giving one himself.
OK but tbf he's never played with me before.

Zack
02-05-2017, 17:26
Visor thanking posts but not posting. Probably a wolf. Kappa.

Csargo
02-05-2017, 17:32
Csargo is one of the names I don't recognise, so clearly we must deal with suspicious strangers first!

Hi! Right back at you friend! Arakhor

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 17:34
Visor thanking posts but not posting. Probably a wolf. Kappa.

Unrelated, but he did have a disproportionate amount of people snap reading him earlier. Specifically, a weird exchange/progression between him and atheotes. I'll list it under the spoiler:


Vote: Atheotes

:stare:


:stare:

Vote: Visor


The preferred term is "Low Poster"


Atheotes is a villager.


Visor is town

Visor's been around since but hasn't mentioned atheotes. atheotes has not been around since.

Just a bit sketchy.

Zack
02-05-2017, 17:38
I agree it is a weird interaction.

Zack
02-05-2017, 17:40
Vote: atheotes

Renata
02-05-2017, 17:47
Why did you pick atheotes and not Visor?

Arakhor
02-05-2017, 18:14
Atheotes is typically a lurker of a lot of the time and Visor often does weird things, but that mutual town read on the slenderest of meetings does seem rather odd.


Hi! Right back at you friend! Arakhor

Isn't OMGUS wonderful? ~;p

Zack
02-05-2017, 18:17
Why did you pick atheotes and not Visor?
I thought his end was weirder for him than Visor's was for Visor.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 18:59
Hello.

Renata
02-05-2017, 19:00
Hi Winston.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:01
Found the scum yet?

Renata
02-05-2017, 19:02
No. Al Sipsclar said he was going to read up or something and hasn't been back, so that's a thing.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:04
Sounds like Al's usual M.O. to me.

Why bring up that in particular?

Dp101
02-05-2017, 19:05
Hello.

Hi. Are you scum?

Zack
02-05-2017, 19:05
Hi Winston. More like Winsrarely, am I right?

Renata
02-05-2017, 19:06
Sounds like Al's usual M.O. to me.

Why bring up that in particular?

I'm voting him.

Renata
02-05-2017, 19:07
Hi Winston. More like Winsrarely, am I right?

Cold, Zack, cold.

Dp101
02-05-2017, 19:07
Hi Winston. More like Winsrarely, am I right?

Call an ambulance.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:09
Hi. Are you scum?

Nope. I was sure it would happen this time, but rngsus walks with me still. More than a year now.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:10
Hi Winston. More like Winsrarely, am I right?

True.

But when I do win, it always seems to be at your expense. :beam:

Zack
02-05-2017, 19:10
Nope. I was sure it would happen this time, but rngsus walks with me still. More than a year now.

Tempus Fugit was less than a year, pretty sure.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:11
I'm voting him.

I can see that for myself.

Bit weak, don't you think?

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:12
Tempus Fugit was less than a year, pretty sure.

Man of taste and selective memory.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:12
Man of taste and selective memory.

Oops, misunderstood Zack's post. My bad.

Renata
02-05-2017, 19:13
Silly boy, my votes are never weak. By decree.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:14
Right, Tempus Fugit. Got it now.

Not quite a year, then.

Zack
02-05-2017, 19:16
I can see that for myself.

Bit weak, don't you think?
Post saved to hard drive, so I can bring it up after Al flips wolf.

Renata
02-05-2017, 19:19
Then we lynch Winston next.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:19
Post saved to hard drive, so I can bring it up after Al flips wolf.

Shall we test this straight away?

Al Sipsclar

Zack
02-05-2017, 19:22
Shall we test this straight away?

Al Sipsclar
Bit weak, don't you think?

Vote: Winston Hughes

Winton Hughes, atheotes wolf team. Maybe Visor. Al spewed town or mafia, depending on your interpretation.

GH, Renata town.

Zack
02-05-2017, 19:23
Sounds like Al's usual M.O. to me.

Why bring up that in particular?


I can see that for myself.

Bit weak, don't you think?


Shall we test this straight away?

Al Sipsclar
I think defending someone, then quickly flipping on it to vote them as a way to defend yourself is not a good look. I'm sure Winston will try to handwave this away as a joke or something, but I don't really buy that.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:23
Bit weak, don't you think?

A bit weak.

Powerful weak, more like.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:25
I think defending someone, then quickly flipping on it to vote them as a way to defend yourself is not a good look. I'm sure Winston will try to handwave this away as a joke or something, but I don't really buy that.

I'm not joking, I'm just chatting shit without a care.

Zack
02-05-2017, 19:27
I'm not joking, I'm just chatting shit without a care.
So when you defended Al, you didn't really care and were just saying things without actually meaning them?

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:32
So when you defended Al, you didn't really care and were just saying things without actually meaning them?

Not quite.

I mean it does sound like Al's M.O.

Which means that it's not alignment indicative in itself.

But he has just dropped it and not come back, making him a valid place to put a vote.

It is a weak vote on Renata's part, and an even weaker one on mine.

But, hey, I never said I had anything better. ~D

Renata
02-05-2017, 19:35
Vote: Winston Hughes

I'm sure you can tone your way out of it if Zack's wrong.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:37
Vote: Winston Hughes

I'm sure you can tone your way out of it if Zack's wrong.

I dunno, I'm not feeling very tonal right now.

Might just have to eat another D1 ML.

Zack
02-05-2017, 19:39
Not quite.

I mean it does sound like Al's M.O.

Which means that it's not alignment indicative in itself.

But he has just dropped it and not come back, making him a valid place to put a vote.

It is a weak vote on Renata's part, and an even weaker one on mine.

But, hey, I never said I had anything better. ~D

Well start searching for something better, instead of waiting for it to drop out of the sky.

Your progression on Al just makes no sense to me. And your reaction to my accusation being to defend yourself with "it's okay because I don't care" doesn't exactly change my mind.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:41
Of course, if you're town, the thing y'all need to be asking yourselves right now is whether I'd ever allow myself to be caught out this easily as scum.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:42
Well start searching for something better, instead of waiting for it to drop out of the sky.

Your progression on Al just makes no sense to me. And your reaction to my accusation being to defend yourself with "it's okay because I don't care" doesn't exactly change my mind.

I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm trying to read it.

Zack
02-05-2017, 19:43
I'm not trying to change your mind.


Of course, if you're town, the thing y'all need to be asking yourselves right now is whether I'd ever allow myself to be caught out this easily as scum.

:creep:

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 19:56
:creep:

You're looking at the surface layer, trying to find reasons to call me scummy.

What you don't seem to be doing is reading between the lines to try and get at my mind.

I don't care that you're voting me at this stage.

I'm interested to see if you're going to try and actually read me at all, rather than just pointing out the obvious.

Which is why I'd like you to engage with the question of if and why I'd allow myself to be caught on such a dumb point right at the start.

Csargo
02-05-2017, 20:03
Atheotes is typically a lurker of a lot of the time and Visor often does weird things, but that mutual town read on the slenderest of meetings does seem rather odd.



Isn't OMGUS wonderful? ~;p

:2thumbsup:

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 20:04
:2thumbsup:

Got any reads, Csar?

Zack
02-05-2017, 20:08
Ok, tell me your top 3 wolves and top 3 villagers Winston.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 20:22
Ok, tell me your top 3 wolves and top 3 villagers Winston.

I've not felt any real pings so far, but I'll look at the thread again.

Dp101
02-05-2017, 20:27
I think that both Zack and Winston are clearly town from this engagement.

Csargo
02-05-2017, 20:31
Got any reads, Csar?

Zack, Renata, Montmorency all seem townie to me. Visor is quieter than normal, but it is the weekend so who knows. GH is a possibility sort of up in the air for me, but it's day one.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 20:34
Yeah, not got much more on the second read.

My gut likes Monty, which is unusual.

I'm feeling a certain sense of tension in Renata.

Snerk's effort levels would seem scummy for him, but he's also hung a massive lampshade on it.

GH gives townie vibes, which means he's making an effort if scum.

Renata
02-05-2017, 20:36
I think that both Zack and Winston are clearly town from this engagement.

I'm not sure about either of them. *adjusts tinfoil*

Renata
02-05-2017, 20:39
On the plus side that comment is the first from Dp I've been able to assign a read to, and it's not a bad one.

Dp101
02-05-2017, 20:55
I'm not sure about either of them. *adjusts tinfoil*

Why? Winston was clearly joking around, Zack tried to assign a read to it, Winston reacted calmly and in a town way. Both are clearly towny after that.

Renata
02-05-2017, 21:04
If Zack's a wolf, then Winston's right -- easy inconsistency to make look not-towny. I've even been caught out on something similar myself recently, though it wasn't wolves who initially drew attention to it.

I don't find Winston's reaction as towny as you do; I voted him because of the reaction.

Right now I'm working through whether a wolf Winston would have openly called me tense or would have been running to scum chat yelling about me being an obvious power role instead, sort of thing.

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 21:04
Yeah, not got much more on the second read.

My gut likes Monty, which is unusual.

I'm feeling a certain sense of tension in Renata.

Snerk's effort levels would seem scummy for him, but he's also hung a massive lampshade on it.

GH gives townie vibes, which means he's making an effort if scum.

I'm gonna need explanations for the reads on me and Renata.

Jabbz
02-05-2017, 21:16
Current Tally Accurate to post 179
11h44m Remaining till end of day.

Lewwyn -2 (Dp101, Sooh)
Montmorency - 2 (GHC, (Atheotes))
Renata - 2 (Montmorency, Snerk)
Winston Hughes - 2 (Kcaz, Renata)
Al Spisclar - 1 (Winston Hughes)
Arakhor - 1 (Csargo)
Atheotes - 1 (Visor)
BSmith - 1 (Al Sipsclar)
Csargo - 1 (Arakhor)
Kcaz - 1 (Choxorn)
Sooh - 1 (Lewwyn)



Voting History

Al Sipclar BSmith
Arakhor Csargo,
Atheotes Visor , Monmorency
Bsmith No Vote
Choxorn Kcaz
Csargo Arakhor
Dp101 Lewwyn
GeneralHankerchief Sooh, Montmorency
Kcaz Lewwyn, Atheotes, Winston Hughes
Lewwyn Sooh
Montmorency Renata
Renata Montmorency, Snerk, Winston Hughes
Snerk Renata, Choxorn, Renata,
Sooh Lewwyn
Visor Atheotes
Winston Hughes Al Sipsclar

Zack
02-05-2017, 21:20
Why? Winston was clearly joking around, Zack tried to assign a read to it, Winston reacted calmly and in a town way. Both are clearly towny after that.
He was clearly defending Al Sips in a non-joking way.

Jabbz
02-05-2017, 21:22
Too much blabber? Members of the jury, I would like to direct your attention to page one of this thread.

Back to Renata. Glasshouses and all that.

Last edited by Snerk; Today at 05:06.



Also edits are bad, Snerk.



You think edits are bad, you should see my typos. But I'll try.


Game Rules.

Please pay close attention as some of these rules are from where I usually host, which means they might not be what you are used to.

Breaking rules will result in penalties ranging from warnings to loss of abilities, being mod killed, or being replaced at the GM’s discretion.


To prevent confusion that may arise in the case of cross posting, posts may not be edited for any reason.


Consider yourself warned Snerk :P

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 21:24
Arakhor, where's your head at right now?

Unrelated:
Vote: atheotes

Renata
02-05-2017, 21:26
Reason, GH?

GeneralHankerchief
02-05-2017, 21:32
Top towns and scums, no particular order:

Towns:

Zack
Renata
Csargo
Snerk
Renata

Zack and Snerk on tone, Csargo is a soul read, Renata's listed twice because she's that townie to me.

Scums
Visor
atheotes
Winston
Arakhor

Visor and atheotes from the interaction I highlighted earlier, atheotes a bit stronger of a read hence my vote. Haven't liked Winston's thread presence so far, particularly this tidbit:


Of course, if you're town, the thing y'all need to be asking yourselves right now is whether I'd ever allow myself to be caught out this easily as scum.

Seems twiggy and a go-to defense as mafia in my experience.

Arakhor because his non-socializing posts have been super hedge-y.

Zack
02-05-2017, 21:36
* reads 185 *

:rtwyes:

Renata
02-05-2017, 21:37
I see my attempts not to get universally town read on day one for a change are going swimmingly. The usual stray votes notwithstanding.

Renata
02-05-2017, 21:44
Next game I will just not post at all. That should do it.

Csargo
02-05-2017, 21:45
Top towns and scums, no particular order:

Towns:

Zack
Renata
Csargo
Snerk
Renata

Zack and Snerk on tone, Csargo is a soul read, Renata's listed twice because she's that townie to me.

Scums
Visor
atheotes
Winston
Arakhor

Visor and atheotes from the interaction I highlighted earlier, atheotes a bit stronger of a read hence my vote. Haven't liked Winston's thread presence so far, particularly this tidbit:



Seems twiggy and a go-to defense as mafia in my experience.

Arakhor because his non-socializing posts have been super hedge-y.

I'm not sure how to feel about that...

Snerk
02-05-2017, 21:53
Snerk's effort levels would seem scummy for him, but he's also hung a massive lampshade on it.

Why are my effort levels scummy?

I think that both Zack and Winston are clearly town from this engagement.
I'm not onboard this train at all. But I liked their confrontation last page.

Consider yourself warned Snerk :P
Sorry didn't know edits were not allowed. This is odd it's highly unusual for me to brake any game rules.


Arakhor because his non-socializing posts have been super hedge-y.
This is bang on but for what it's worth Arakhor is a hedge-y kind of guy regardless of alignment.

Renata
02-05-2017, 21:55
You gonna reconsider your vote on me at any point today, Snerk?

Snerk
02-05-2017, 21:55
^Must resist urge to edit brake to break...

Snerk
02-05-2017, 22:00
You gonna reconsider your vote on me at any point today, Snerk?
It's certainly possible.Who's your best candidate for the lynch today and why?

Renata
02-05-2017, 22:02
Winston, right now. I didn't like his response to Zack's case on him. But you should be able to figure that out just be reading, shouldn't you?

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 22:07
I'm gonna need explanations for the reads on me and Renata.

That's difficult, as they are not founded on conscious reactions.

But I'm working on it.


Why are my effort levels scummy?

It was a way back, but around the time of that game we played at GitP there was a thing about you acting more townie as scum than as town, which I think was largely down to effort.

And that notion is supported/lampshaded by your comments on town/scum effort levels.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 22:07
Well it's always nice to have things clarified. :)

Snerk
02-05-2017, 22:08
^was a response to renata

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 22:14
Winston, right now. I didn't like his response to Zack's case on him.

But why?

I get where Zack is coming from. It fits with pretty much every other occasion he's suspected me (albeit he was scum on some of them).

I'm not getting that sense from you.

Snerk
02-05-2017, 22:17
It was a way back, but around the time of that game we played at GitP there was a thing about you acting more townie as scum than as town, which I think was largely down to effort.

And that notion is supported/lampshaded by your comments on town/scum effort levels.
Congratulations, you have better memory than me. :)

The reason I asked is that I don't see my efforts thus far as all that constructive. So I don't really follow the logic, but I guess I sort of see where it's coming from.

Zack
02-05-2017, 22:19
Red Dwarf was the one where you spent the first few days just talking about votecounts, right? (at winston)

Renata
02-05-2017, 22:25
But why?

I get where Zack is coming from. It fits with pretty much every other occasion he's suspected me (albeit he was scum on some of them).

I'm not getting that sense from you.

All the answers below look really weak to me. Like trying to pass off yourself off as just lalaladon'tcare when that's really not your MO that I've ever noticed -- when you go "make myself lynchbait" you don't mess around. Lampshading that it's a weak vote and all. I mean, I get that the vote in itself. I do stuff like that myself. I just feel like you got called out and you're fumbling a bit in a way that seems unlike you.


A bit weak.

Powerful weak, more like.


I'm not joking, I'm just chatting shit without a care.


Not quite.

I mean it does sound like Al's M.O.

Which means that it's not alignment indicative in itself.

But he has just dropped it and not come back, making him a valid place to put a vote.

It is a weak vote on Renata's part, and an even weaker one on mine.

But, hey, I never said I had anything better. ~D

Zack
02-05-2017, 22:29
All the answers below look really weak to me. Like trying to pass off yourself off as just lalaladon'tcare when that's really not your MO that I've ever noticed.
Exactly. The last quote especially downplays the fact that Winston defended Al and implied Renata should find a better vote, then suddenly voted Al when I said Winston sounded like he was defending a teammate. Then acts like that's not how it happened at all, it was just lolnotcaring (and while shitposting is a thing Winston does as town, particularly early on, not caring isn't).

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 22:32
I'm gonna need explanations for the reads on me and Renata.

On you, it's simply that I see a townie mind at work. The process is coherent and plausible. That it's not beyond you to fake it is a qualifier, but only a weak one. (I can give more specifics if you want, but it's very time consuming, and I'd rather focus my energies on people I'm not yet townreading.)

On Renata, she started the game posting in what looks, superficially at least, like a relaxed manner. But as I was reading it there was something gnawing at me. Sentence structure, punctuation, word choices might be part of this. A little conservative, perhaps? Or maybe it's the things she engaged with, and how she engaged with them - it's all jokey and nice, with not much in the way of provocation. OMGUS on Monty seems more defusing than engaging. Snerk vote is reasonable-but-easy, and reaction to his OMGUS is a brush off. Early reads list and explanation are reasonable, but again lack for provocation. Vote on Al follows suit. It's got a bit better as time has gone on, but you'd expect that either way.

Of course, that's pretty much the least charitable read I could give to what Renata has posted. Bottom line is it's a gut reaction that I'm justifying because you asked, rather than any kind of considered case for pushing her towards the noose.

Dp101
02-05-2017, 22:33
Renata, I really, really disagree with your continued pushing of winston. It looks exactly like mafia pushing a slightly odd townie, and I would have expected that town!you would have found something else by now.

Sooh
02-05-2017, 22:34
ION = in other news?

Correct.


You think edits are bad, you should see my typos. But I'll try.

Disagree. Her frantic opening to a recent all business approach. I'm getting a scum vibe.

I just don't want you to get yourself modkilled, as that's not the way to go in a mafia game.

Also a bit on the same page with you about Renata, but I'll give her some space to find herself this game.

Zack
02-05-2017, 22:34
Renata, I really, really disagree with your continued pushing of winston. It looks exactly like mafia pushing a slightly odd townie, and I would have expected that town!you would have found something else by now.
What makes you think he is so towny?

This is a weird vote from you.

Sooh
02-05-2017, 22:35
I don't get how trying = scum.

Well, there's trying, and then there's TRYING!!!!!

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 22:35
Red Dwarf was the one where you spent the first few days just talking about votecounts, right? (at winston)

Do you mean postcounts? (As in, I worked through the ISOs from the low posters upwards.)

If so, yes.

If not, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Zack
02-05-2017, 22:37
Do you mean postcounts? (As in, I worked through the ISOs from the low posters upwards.)

If so, yes.

If not, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Sorry, yes that's what I meant.

It was definitely a trick question, in the hopes I could spring the trap on you of not remembering your most recent scum games well enough to use the lame "would I really do this as a wolf?" defense.

Dp101
02-05-2017, 22:38
What makes you think he is so towny?

This is a weird vote from you.

Tone. Everything about his posts feels like the same, standard, "I'm going to try to be village and have a good time, even if it gets me scumread" that I always see from him. If anyone else was posting in the way that he was, I would be perfectly fine with someone going after them, but this right here is exactly what I have come to expect from him.

Sooh
02-05-2017, 22:39
So you did roll scum! Good to know.

Sooh

Oh hi!

I definitely know we haven't played together before.

Sooh
02-05-2017, 22:40
I'm the mod here and I'll be honest, I have no idea what our meta is at the moment. :laugh4: Mostly because our games have had a lot more cross-pollination from other forums lately and the bulk of our players aren't "homegrown" anymore.

Also, welcome Snerk and Arakhor, and welcome back Lewwyn! ~:wave:

(somebody who's not Snerk/Lewwyn, do these two usually spend this much time at the start of the game talking about general approach/meta?)

(somebody who's not GH, does this seem odd?)

Sooh
02-05-2017, 22:41
It does bother me a little the way GH canvassed for opinions on this, instead of giving one himself.

ah ha!

Renata
02-05-2017, 22:41
What makes you think he is so towny?

This is a weird vote from you.

Looks sort of honest, though?

For Dp -- honest question here, what's the difference between me and Zack?

Sooh
02-05-2017, 22:42
Sorry for the multiple posts. As you can see I'm catching up.

Sooh
02-05-2017, 22:45
Bit weak, don't you think?

Vote: Winston Hughes

Winton Hughes, atheotes wolf team. Maybe Visor. Al spewed town or mafia, depending on your interpretation.

GH, Renata town.

A minute ago you sussed GH for asking opinions instead of giving them. What changed?

Zack
02-05-2017, 22:48
A minute ago you sussed GH for asking opinions instead of giving them. What changed?

Actually it was over five hours ago.

Sooh
02-05-2017, 22:50
Actually it was over five hours ago.

Question still stands. What changed.

Renata
02-05-2017, 22:54
Tone. Everything about his posts feels like the same, standard, "I'm going to try to be village and have a good time, even if it gets me scumread" that I always see from him. If anyone else was posting in the way that he was, I would be perfectly fine with someone going after them, but this right here is exactly what I have come to expect from him.

I'm reading him as pretty much the opposite of that after Zack voted him. Not sure what else to say.

Dp101
02-05-2017, 23:16
Looks sort of honest, though?

For Dp -- honest question here, what's the difference between me and Zack?

Zack questioned, you just jumped on.

Csargo
02-05-2017, 23:17
(somebody who's not GH, does this seem odd?)

I don't think it's odd for GH.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 23:17
All the answers below look really weak to me. Like trying to pass off yourself off as just lalaladon'tcare when that's really not your MO that I've ever noticed -- when you go "make myself lynchbait" you don't mess around. Lampshading that it's a weak vote and all. I mean, I get that the vote in itself. I do stuff like that myself. I just feel like you got called out and you're fumbling a bit in a way that seems unlike you.

It's not in my scum MO to put myself in danger D1 by doing dumb stuff.

If I'm leaving scumhooks - intentionally or otherwise - they'll be more subtle than that.

As to making myself lynchbait, that's not what I was doing at all. I wasn't trying to be suspected, I just wasn't worrying about it.

For the 'fumbling' bit, I can only say that you've got it entirely backwards if you think nerves have had any part in my play here.

I guess it's the best way to justify a scumread on me for all this, but do you really think I've been acting out of fear or panic?

Renata
02-05-2017, 23:23
I just don't believe you can control yourself that finely, so as not to make mistakes. God knows I can't. Again, it's not the vote itself. That's Zack's reasoning, not mine.

If you think I'm trying to "justify a scumread" you should probably be voting me rather than Al Sips. You can add that to the list of things you've said that feel wrong to me.

Renata
02-05-2017, 23:23
Zack questioned, you just jumped on.

Fair enough. I'm not scumreading you so I guess I'll just have to hope you come to see it differently.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 23:36
Exactly. The last quote especially downplays the fact that Winston defended Al and implied Renata should find a better vote, then suddenly voted Al when I said Winston sounded like he was defending a teammate. Then acts like that's not how it happened at all, it was just lolnotcaring (and while shitposting is a thing Winston does as town, particularly early on, not caring isn't).

Al was just the guy Renata was voting for.

She's the one I was interested in.

You joining in and scumreading me was an unexpected bonus.

Renata
02-05-2017, 23:39
If you're feeling dubious about me, why do you jump on the vote that I am making?

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 23:48
I just don't believe you can control yourself that finely, so as not to make mistakes. God knows I can't. Again, it's not the vote itself. That's Zack's reasoning, not mine.

I'll always make plenty of mistakes, but I'm too careful as scum to do something that obvious, and then compound it by keeping the focus there.


If you think I'm trying to "justify a scumread" you should probably be voting me rather than Al Sips. You can add that to the list of things you've said that feel wrong to me.

Why does this feel wrong?

Were you not justifying a scumread on me?

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 23:48
If you're feeling dubious about me, why do you jump on the vote that I am making?

To see how you react.

Renata
02-05-2017, 23:53
I'll always make plenty of mistakes, but I'm too careful as scum to do something that obvious, and then compound it by keeping the focus there.



Why does this feel wrong?

Were you not justifying a scumread on me?

I HAVE a scumread on you. To say I'm trying to justify it is to say I'm making it up; that is, I'm scum. You don't believe that. I think you put it that way so that others would.

Renata
02-05-2017, 23:54
To see how you react.

Before Zack voted you and you responded in a way I found scummy, my reaction was going to be precisely nothing. How do you read that.

Zack
02-05-2017, 23:54
lol reaction tests. "I did something wolfy to see if you would call it wolfy. You've fallen into my trap, wolf!"

Won't be available until tomorrow probably. Go Falcons.

Renata
02-05-2017, 23:57
Don't gild the lily, Zack, you're not on my town list either.

Winston Hughes
02-05-2017, 23:59
lol reaction tests. "I did something wolfy to see if you would call it wolfy. You've fallen into my trap, wolf!"

Nothing so crude. The point isn't to catch someone cold. It's just to create some kind of reaction upon which a better read might be built.

Sooh
02-06-2017, 00:04
I feel like Zack is ignoring me.

Winston Hughes
02-06-2017, 00:05
I HAVE a scumread on you. To say I'm trying to justify it is to say I'm making it up; that is, I'm scum. You don't believe that. I think you put it that way so that others would.

Maybe there are different definitions, but 'justify' doesn't imply dishonesty afaik.


Before Zack voted you and you responded in a way I found scummy, my reaction was going to be precisely nothing. How do you read that.

Scummy, obvs. ~;p

Arakhor
02-06-2017, 00:15
Unless there's shenanigans already, I'm voting for Csargo, not Montmorency (hence Csargo's OMGUS vote and our responses to said vote).

GH, as where my head's at, it's finding another 80 posts in six hours, so a little behind the times is where I am!

Please don't confuse my ignorance for hedging. They may look similar, but I'm fairly slow to form conclusions in these games (wrong ones, usually, but still).

Renata
02-06-2017, 00:20
Maybe there are different definitions, but 'justify' doesn't imply dishonesty afaik.



Scummy, obvs. ~;p

Argh.

vote: Al Sipsclar

I can't decide right now if you (Winston) are a you problem or a me problem. I do believe that Al Sipsclar promise to catch up on a thread that at that point doesn't need catching up on (it was like 20 posts deep if that), followed by nothing, is >rand scum.

Arakhor
02-06-2017, 00:24
Hi everyone! Reading up.

Vote: BSmith

Post #19 is the one in question, made almost 24 hours ago. It also seems to have been his only one so far.

Arakhor
02-06-2017, 00:28
I remember in Masque of Death Winston was fairly windy throughout the game, but was also innocent. A quiet Winston who's not also absent would be somewhat weird to me.

I'd consider voting for Al too, based on the strength of his single post, but Day One seems rather too early for a policy lynch. It just seems too scummy, as it were.

As for Visor/Atheotes, Visor frequently changes his mind and chats up the thread a lot, but often he's on to something at the same time.

Renata
02-06-2017, 00:53
1. Dp101 -- slight town
2. Bsmith -- no show
3. GeneralHankerchief -- towny enough
4. Montmorency -- wtf monty where'd you go
5. Choxorn -- probably town
6. Atheotes -- maybe awkward start w/visor based on others' comments
7. Arakhor -- no read personally yet, apparently GH finds him scummy
8. Snerk -- mildly scummy
9. Al Sipclar -- one-post scummy
10. Visor -- see atheotes with a side a monty, looked okish while here but don't see how I can ever clear him on this little
11. Csargo -- no read
12. Winston Hughes -- heck if I know
13. Kcaz -- having tinfoil of me/Jabbz/Zack from last game if Winston is town. maybe a little limited in his interests so far? no sure
14. Sooh -- townie enough
15. Renata
16. Lewwyn -- no read

Jabbz
02-06-2017, 01:24
Unless there's shenanigans already, I'm voting for Csargo, not Montmorency (hence Csargo's OMGUS vote and our responses to said vote).

Error noted, I placed atheote's vote on the line for you. Will go back and edit/correct vote post.

Everyone please feel free to point out if I miss or mis-attribute a vote on your part.

Montmorency
02-06-2017, 01:55
Haven't been up-to-date since morning. Will catch up later. I know there are only 7 hours till EoD, but I'm not really feeling it today.

Jabbz
02-06-2017, 02:04
EOD is still 19 hours away. 1200h PST (2000h UTC/GMT)

Sooh
02-06-2017, 02:27
Thank goodness! I got scared for a second.

Reading this thread in a fever haze isn't very productive.

Renata
02-06-2017, 02:30
Oh man. Sorry you're feeling bad.

Visor
02-06-2017, 02:57
Argh.

vote: Al Sipsclar

I can't decide right now if you (Winston) are a you problem or a me problem. I do believe that Al Sipsclar promise to catch up on a thread that at that point doesn't need catching up on (it was like 20 posts deep if that), followed by nothing, is >rand scum.

I don't mind this vote actually

Vote: Al Sipsclar

Zack
02-06-2017, 04:38
Dear God,

If you are real please smite the city of Boston from the face of the earth.

Thanks,

Zack

Zack
02-06-2017, 04:39
and also it's suburb foxborough

thanks god

Csargo
02-06-2017, 05:23
Dear God,

If you are real please smite the city of Boston from the face of the earth.

Thanks,

Zack

:laugh4:

Brady's got rings for all his fingers now...

Jabbz
02-06-2017, 05:58
Lets stay on topic folks, this game is going to fill enough pages already, it doesn't need help :P