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I can't compete with your frenzy, Pizza. And frankly, being tunneled by a dead wrong townie (literally) with superior debating skills does not help.
After actually reading through that frenzy I see you intend to give me space, so thanks for that.
My vote on Pizza certainly looks bad given he turned out town, but I would do it again given the info that I had at the time. I have seen time and again Pizza pushing an agenda where he cherry picks things people have said and makes a very compelling case against said person, while minimizing or ignoring the points that don’t fit his agenda. I think Cuth had some extremely valid counters to the case that Pizza was pushing on Novice that frankly Pizza didn’t want to hear and didn’t address at all. It fit the Pizza-agenda-pushing pattern exactly which is why I voted for him.
Cuth - did you poison anyone last night?
Cuthillius
06-27-2017, 17:05
Cuth - did you poison anyone last night?
Nobody was poisoned by my hand.
Fredwood
06-27-2017, 17:18
So Pizza get's rezzed as a Advent zombie, welcome back for this phase.
I'm kind of in agreement with CSargo's list of good lynch candidates. Manasi's last second vote to tie does not look good for Novice or her. I have a bit of a migraine right now, hopefully I'll be better tomorrow, but with my eye twitching I don't know how insightful I'll be before another night's sleep.
autolycus
06-27-2017, 18:25
Now auto I don't get, but it's probably because he has so little to say. Why is he voting Dp101? I don't think DP is by any means cleared, but if auto is caught up as he claims, he should know that people are likely to take this day to vote for either Manasi or novice, so why start out off-wagon?
Sorry for the lack of clarity, I skimmed through to end of D2 and saw that pizza was rez'ed from page 1. I'm now up to date (as of 1:00 pm).
After running a few iso-skims, here are my top scum-takes
From Pizza's list
1:unvote: vote: Manasi
Lots of posts, feels low on content.
2. Fredwood
Man, did not want to see that. Sucks...I'm inclined to vote for Novice out of respect for mislynching a town Pizza, almost feels like that is owed to him. Those two's fates were tied to each other. I guess I'll see how the night goes and if any new information arises, but if nothing new comes in I'm voting Novice. I don't think his self-pres and attitude adds to my suspicion, it really has no bearing on the course I want to take.
This feels like trying to push us towards the novice lynch in advance.
3.novice
I still think novice is likely to be town, but more interactions means we get more info from a novice flip than:
4. Bsmith
His saying he'd lynch Atpg again feels really town to me, and he doesn't have enough posts to give us much data.
Off Pizza's list:
DP looks better after another pass-through.
I still don't like Montmorency, but if he's scum, he'll give us more connections and posts to hang him with, so definitely not the lynch for today.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2017, 18:50
I'm still catching up (I lied when I said I'd be done by last night), but right now, if we're truly running a Manasi-Sooh thunderdome (which I disagree with), I'd probably vote Sooh. Manasi's seemed townier to me so far.
More of a tone thing than anything else.
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Also now I can reveal this: I just got out of another extremely intense game on another site where I subbed in as scum on D3, made over 900 posts in four game days, was correctly lynched at F5 lylo, and then saw my partner bring home the win on the final day. Manasi can confirm this. So in other words, I'm going to give this game an honest effort, but don't expect anywhere near my A-game.
GeneralHankerchief
06-27-2017, 19:12
Vote: novice
Feel like this is the correct vote. I said I'd rather go with Sooh over Manasi if it came down to too of them, but I'm more confident in this than I am either of them. His posts are just lacking that fire and desire to solve that they had in Pokemon, and this is independent of all of the Pizza/novice stuff that I don't think I've gotten to you yet.
(I've cast this vote after being up to date as of post 913 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053752610&viewfull=1#post2053752610))
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 19:19
If I am here at all, that means to me that there are four scums likely in the setup, not three.
I speculated 4scum+1neutral yesterday.
I'm back, read the all of D1 and first half of D2 then skimmed to the end. A few quick takes before I run to work:
Champ saving csargo and GH voting csargo after replacing Champ suggests GH/csargo not buddies.
I was leaning town for Novice before wagons, and still do. Accordingly, we should look in both wagons:
Vote:Dp101 is my first take in the pizza wagon, with Fred not far behind
Monty and csargo are my quicktake scum leans in the Novice wagon.
Be back for a little bit in about four hours.
If novice is town, then scum will be spread in both wagons, with possibly one or so off-wagon (though these were Sooh and Winston on Manasi and GH on Csargo). If novice is scum, then Logic and Barto are the only two co-voters on that wagon I consider up for scum (Pizza and Csnow being cleared, myself and Csargo being good townies). And I'm not even convinced Logic and Barto should be scum, though there have been murky times.
BSmith gets more time and is low-info in the time where novice or Manasi can be decided. Either auto or Bsmith would be a good vig. (I don't think BSmith's latest post swings either way.)
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 19:21
That was a statement of preference toward voting novice, btw. I don't know what to make of Sooh-Manasi as they're both in the lower half of the ranks, and novice lynch sheds light on both anyway.
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 20:07
I am re-reading the whole.danged.game one.more.time, feeling like this and every single townie should as well:
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Correct music btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d53OLCWMJ9k&list=FLnV16lLmZdGUyvrHqSwjkcQ
Once I travelled with flesh and bones
Once I did kiss a warm mouth
Now I wander on a long road
In mold here around the trail of graves
Worms ate and frost bit
In mold here around the trail of graves
Once I rode a fast roamer
Once I wore armour and steel
Now I wander on a long road
In mold here around the trail of graves
Cold frost and hot fire
In mold here around the trail of graves
Once a proud and fair man
Yet once I treacherously slaughtered
Now I wander on a long road
In mold here around the trail of graves
Now I sing my gallows song
In mold here around the trail of graves
Now I sing my gallows song
In mold here around the trail of graves
So, I'm going back and forth on Fredwood.
Man, did not want to see that. Sucks...I'm inclined to vote for Novice out of respect for mislynching a town Pizza, almost feels like that is owed to him. Those two's fates were tied to each other. I guess I'll see how the night goes and if any new information arises, but if nothing new comes in I'm voting Novice. I don't think his self-pres and attitude adds to my suspicion, it really has no bearing on the course I want to take.
This post doesn't look good to me, but...
So Pizza get's rezzed as a Advent zombie, welcome back for this phase.
I'm kind of in agreement with CSargo's list of good lynch candidates. Manasi's last second vote to tie does not look good for Novice or her. I have a bit of a migraine right now, hopefully I'll be better tomorrow, but with my eye twitching I don't know how insightful I'll be before another night's sleep.
...the followup looks town.
In the former, it looks like he wants to lynch novice (which I agree) but his stated reasoning is not what I would consider sound.
In the latter, he is commenting on a list compiled by Csargo, and bows out for the moment saying something that I think we are all thinking.
Vote: Novice
Fredwood slips down a spot on my "likely townie list"
Winston
Cuthillius
Csargo
Fredwood
Champ/GeneralHankerchief
El Barto
Dp101
Sooh
Monteromency
autolycus
Bsmith
Manasi
novice
Bsmith saying a little bit more after I posted his ISO looks like less coincidence and more making sure to respond since somone is talking about him, but I am a tad suspicious of him so I may be playing into confirmation bias.
What concerns me most about my list is that I have too many in my "top tier" as townies. I'm being played, but I can't tell who the puppet master is yet.
Because my Vote: novice was not bolded in my prior post.
Winston Hughes
06-27-2017, 20:44
Vote: Manasi
I've read her iso and I can't find any significant reason to think her town. There were a few posts early on that expressed snap reads on people in a way that's often read as townie, but that pretty much dried up after I queried the one on me and Logic. The signal-to-noise ratio throughout D1 was generally weak, and while it's been stronger since, the cost has been a much reduced post rate and the posts themselves feeling much less natural. And while for a lot of players I'd consider that late pizza vote to look townie simply because it would be so audacious as scum, my impression of Manasi is that refuge in audacity is very much in her playbook. Probably the best thing in her favour right now is failing to answer my question first time around, as she did something similar as town in French Rev, but all that does is mitigate one piece of evidence against her; it does nothing to counterbalance her overall lack of townpoints.
I'll take a look at the other main suspects later on - and cross-check Manasi for possible clears and scumlinks while I'm at it - but I don't expect my vote to change.
This has been the first game in a while where No Lynch was permitted. :shrug:
If I holstered a kill, where did the Mafia kill go? Where did your suggested protection go? Maybe you attacked Fredwood and someone protected him? Or as I mentioned, someone was blocked? Jailed? Bulletproof vests? There are many possibilities, and it's interesting which ones you avoid.
Would I really? Tunneling Pizza from D1 is not just a bad idea for Town, it's a good way to get nightkilled whether or not Pizza is scum, and a good way to have Pizza lynch you fast, directly or indirectly. Maybe I was just demoralized by my read: if I immediately scum-read scum last game and couldn't do anything with it, what can I hope to achieve against scum Pizza now?
Auto can't be mostly cleared in event of novice scum with such an early vote, as you know he is prone to leaving votes like that even if it puts partners at risk without him around to change it; you did the same at least once. BSmith should be nuller. GH lynch should be sooner. DP may be a bit lower, Csargo considerably so. I should be town overall. Otherwise endorse these leans.
It does strike me that novice has made more snipes than connections.
As an aside, since novice's vote onto Csargo, third on wagon, precipitated the final EOD flurry, who would you say he was trying to save? You liked Barto there, and shouldn't be Csargo unless superbussing to save yet another partner, and Jowy flipped town - so what was novice doing? Your logical conclusion would be that Sooh is novice's partner and he moved to sve her, right? And since you mentioned Champ crossposting Barto for both voting Jowy, your alternative in case of novice town would be that Chamop was trying to save partner Csargo, right? A lot of your D1 activity analysis rides on the assumption that Csargo is town. So I'm willing to see clarification by lynching novice. And the case is neat, I guess.
Let's see who you really are, Pizza.
Vote: novice
(Note that vote may be subject to change onto Pizza at any time or administrator's discretion.)
Only people today I will consider voting: Novice Pizza GH, also several others (!)
Long post about Pizza and connections, one line about me, votes for me. Scummy.
Surprising that I'm getting two people to follow me when I'm so widely sussed.
Are you really, though? Backburner lynchbait, perhaps.
Winston Hughes
06-27-2017, 20:53
This early D1 post from Manasi really jumps out in light of yesterday's events:
Waiting for novice to post himself clear, because that's basically what happened in Pokemon.
Could be the scum counterwagon, as always.
Did you mean a counterwagon to me? I can't remember what the tally was at the time.
In absolute terms however, right now I want to thunderdome Novice-Pizza, or just lynch General Champerchief and save the Dome for tomorrow.
Given what we know now that's a very sinister suggestion.
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 21:04
Did you mean a counterwagon to me? I can't remember what the tally was at the time.
Manasi wagon. You were on it.
Given what we know now that's a very sinister suggestion.
?
Novice… I wouldn't be that sorry to lose him, not least because having someone perennially delegating his votes isn't the best option (this is the MU me coming to the surface).
That's pretty uncharitable.
Manasi wagon. You were on it.
I know, but what wagon was the Manasi wagon a counterwagon to?
?
You wanted to lynch GH (lock town) and thunderdome Pizza and me (two townies) the next day.
Wht switch from one bandwagon of 3 to make Manasi a 3 with your vote?
It was to see who else were willing to lynch Manasi. It wasn't for self-preservation, as you yourself explain quite well to El Barto:
Moving from one tied wagon to make a different wagon tied doesn't seem like much of a self preservation vote. Just because the Manasi wagon is newer doesn't mean it will gain more traction. Unless you've got a reason to think that Manasi will draw more addtional votes than Pizza.
It should be noted though that I wasn't voting Pizza before so your description isn't quite correct.
I really want to vote GH at this point, which conflicts with my gutread of Champ, conundrum.
Why? Have my myriad contributions since I subbed in been scummy enough to get you to reverse course? IIRC the only thing that didn't sit well with you was my townread of Monty - so why not vote Monty instead?
Also I'm probably just going to catch up over the night phase, but I'll try to get in the current flow of things in the meantime.
Pertinent. Possible Csargo - Monty pairing. Both want to lynch GH.
The case is not bad, and gives information.
The case was (well, is) classic Pizza hot air. I think he really wanted to prove himself so he gambled on a hunch and activated spin mode.
Correct music btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d53OLCWMJ9k&list=FLnV16lLmZdGUyvrHqSwjkcQ
Once I travelled with flesh and bones
Once I did kiss a warm mouth
Now I wander on a long road
In mold here around the trail of graves
Worms ate and frost bit
In mold here around the trail of graves
Once I rode a fast roamer
Once I wore armour and steel
Now I wander on a long road
In mold here around the trail of graves
Cold frost and hot fire
In mold here around the trail of graves
Once a proud and fair man
Yet once I treacherously slaughtered
Now I wander on a long road
In mold here around the trail of graves
Now I sing my gallows song
In mold here around the trail of graves
Now I sing my gallows song
In mold here around the trail of graves
Don't edit posts.
This is also concerning.
No it isn't, what's concerning is you dodging the relatively simple question I just asked you.
I don't like your tone, and I don't want to lynch Monty.
Vote: Csargo
Probably parking this here.
Fully agree with this. I would have joined you here.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053752896&viewfull=1#post2053752896
Monty calls GH scum for something very wifom'y.
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 21:31
I know, but what wagon was the Manasi wagon a counterwagon to?
You know? You just asked if it was a counter to your wagon. You and Pizza were tied with two votes early in the day when Sooh began the Manasi wagon and you and Barto gave it 3 votes quickly. (Possible bad look where novice scum or Sooh scum).
You wanted to lynch GH (lock town) and thunderdome Pizza and me (two townies) the next day.
GH isn't lock town, and GH only claimed at SoD today.
I see novice has entered full tilt mode, grasping at any which straw. This would seem to be what you lynched Pizza over.
Nope.
1. Pizza-novice more important
2. I want Pizza's input.
3. GH should receive the courtesy of being permitted to catch up.
Okay at least he recanted the suggested postponement of the thunderdome.
I can understand the call for a thunderdome too from a townie perspective, although of course scum would love it too. One thing's for sure, scum would prefer Pizza to lose the thunderdome, and go for a 2-for-1.
You know? You just asked if it was a counter to your wagon. You and Pizza were tied with two votes early in the day when Sooh began the Manasi wagon and you and Barto gave it 3 votes quickly. (Possible bad look where novice scum or Sooh scum).
GH isn't lock town, and GH only claimed at SoD today.
I see novice has entered full tilt mode, grasping at any which straw. This would seem to be what you lynched Pizza over.
1. I'm simply asking you, when you said the Manasi wagon was a counterwagon, did you mean that it was a counterwagon to my wagon or to Pizza's wagon? Either alternative seems like a reasonable interpretation of what you said.
2. You think scum GH revived Pizza? And I said "given what we know now"
3. LOL. Feeling pressured? I'm just catching up on the thread.
Cross posting:
Fair on all three points, but I think Item 1 is less significant than the other 2.
Logic does not push for a thunderdome, if I understand him correctly.
Okay at least he recanted the suggested postponement of the thunderdome.
I can understand the call for a thunderdome too from a townie perspective, although of course scum would love it too. One thing's for sure, scum would prefer Pizza to lose the thunderdome, and go for a 2-for-1.
Call me grasping at straws, but this rings hollow.
Winston Hughes
06-27-2017, 21:46
atpg needs a world religion founded in his name, though I'm slightly disappointed that he didn't rewrite the lyrics to Mama Said Knock You Out by way of celebration (lifetime's supply of cookies if you get the reference, pizza).
GH is lock town. Ability makes no sense for scum. As per my miller bit, Zack's bastard days are long since passed.
On Cuth, the debunking of the case on novice would be impressive from town, but truly exceptional from scum. With respect, I don't believe he's reached the level of skill and audacity where he would dare going toe-to-toe with pizza in such a manner unless he actually believed what he was saying. Which, somewhat perversely, means he's lock town if novice flips scum.
Everyone else remains in the suspect pool pending ISOs and flips.
Granted, I don't think Champ/GH has given us enough to work with.
Now THIS i find a tad on the scummy side.
Why intentionally deprive yourself of information? If you are indeed town, that is all you have to work with. But a scum could easily get a summary from the wolf-chat, and be able to faux-try and point to a post like yours in the event any errors have been made.
Monty, I agree that GH is looking very suspicious.
This is a weird progression. You go from a nullish read to "a tad on the scummy side" which becomes "very suspicious" by the end of the post. Not to mention that the "tad on the scummy side" tell objectively isn't scummy. (But that is in Logic's derp range.)
GH isn't lock town, and GH only claimed at SoD today.
I see novice has entered full tilt mode, grasping at any which straw. This would seem to be what you lynched Pizza over.
The first is IMO very unlikely. XCOM has no way to revive people, whereas the aliens have multiple units that can bring people back as zombies.
The second half of this is the scummiest and most ineffective method I have ever seen of discrediting someone. In fact, I think it's so bad that Vote: Montmorency because this cannot stand.
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 21:51
GH is lock town. Ability makes no sense for scum. As per my miller bit, Zack's bastard days are long since passed.
What I'm getting at is, if a scum-team power, it would be available to temporarily revive any lynch (or night kill?). This means if scum had lynched at some point, they could have revived them just to muddy the waters. This isn't a power that need only apply to town, and I think we even touched on it a number of games ago. In Futuramafia, vanilla townies had carte blanche to post and participate, but lynched scum and town PRs did not. Zack having a setup where no dead can speak but there is a power which permits dead-speak is an adjacent step. :shrug:
Call me grasping at straws, but this rings hollow.
The temptation to resolve Pizza ASAP is a strong one.
What I'm getting at is, if a scum-team power, it would be available to temporarily revive any lynch (or night kill?). This means if scum had lynched at some point, they could have revived them just to muddy the waters. This isn't a power that need only apply to town, and I think we even touched on it a number of games ago. In Futuramafia, vanilla townies had carte blanche to post and participate, but lynched scum and town PRs did not. Zack having a setup where no dead can speak but there is a power which permits dead-speak is an adjacent step. :shrug:
OK, but again, thematically, I would be completely shocked if XCOM has access to any kind of bringing someone back to life. They can stabilise dying friends, but no outright revival and no turning. Well, unless you count the player getting pissed off that their soldier died and reloading to save them, but that's too meta.
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 21:58
OK, but again, thematically, I would be completely shocked if XCOM has access to any kind of bringing someone back to life. They can stabilise dying friends, but no outright revival and no turning. Well, unless you count the player getting pissed off that their soldier died and reloading to save them, but that's too meta.
It's a strong case as I've admitted, but I want to look out for an alternative explanation.
While on the subject of meta, we have flipped a sectoid, a muton, and a faceless. What else can we expect?
*** EVENT ***
GeneralHankerchief has been killed.
https://i.imgur.com/NRmXd4q.png
GeneralHankerchief was a Sectoid!
He was town!
And with GeneralHankerchief's death, Askthepizzaguy collapses to the floor where he stands, rejoining the the dead.
https://i.imgur.com/NRmXd4q.png
Askthepizzaguy was a Sectoid!
He was town!
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It is still Day Three.
Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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Living Players: 13
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
Cuthillius
Dp101
El Barto
Fredwood
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
novice
Sooh
Winston Hughes
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Dead Players: 4
Jowy - Faceless
crimson_snow - Muton
Askthepizzaguy - Sectoid
GeneralHankerchief - Sectoid
So, Dayvig? Probably the Ranger. Also good to know that my hypothesis was correct, although it sucks losing a revived Pizza.
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 22:06
Crud.
So, Dayvig? Probably the Ranger. Also good to know that my hypothesis was correct, although it sucks losing a revived Pizza.
You think that was a town vig?
Montmorency
06-27-2017, 22:07
If I recall, Sectoids have psionic powers or something - is that what GH did in flavor terms, puppeting Pizza's corpse?
You think that was a town vig?
...ranger is an XCOM class.
If I recall, Sectoids have psionic powers or something - is that what GH did in flavor terms, puppeting Pizza's corpse?
Yeah, Sectoids are one of the aliens that can revive corpses, but I assumed that GH wouldn't flip as one because Pizza said he was vanilla, and so I thought that the reviving role would be a more psionically powerful alien.
I don't think I have any more time for posting and analysis until about this time tomorrow. I will be reading, but for now I do think novice is the best lynch today.
Vote: Novice
I feel like I have been playing "follow the pizza." I'm agreeing with him far more often than I should be, so I think I am going to read the thread and skip his posts to see if I can form my own opinion based on what everyone else is saying to each other.
There is a very good chance I won't be online again before EOD. I will try to check back and read what others post, but roght now, I am happy with where my vote is.
Follows Pizza, says he will stop doing that and reassess, finds GH very suspicious, is happy with his vote on me.
Essentially, no way in hell that town makes that shot, ever. Or at least, town that's paying attention.
...
Wow.
So, Dayvig? Probably the Ranger. Also good to know that my hypothesis was correct, although it sucks losing a revived Pizza.
What hypothesis?
What hypothesis?
Hypothesis that GH was some kind of reviving alien.
Hypothesis that GH was some kind of reviving alien.
Well, that much was obvious. Not much of a silver lining to have that confirmed.
Well, that much was obvious. Not much of a silver lining to have that confirmed.
I'm trying to be positive.
Popping back in, although not for long. I really feel that Novice is a terrible lynch, mostly because Pizza's case on him really misrepresents his play thus far.
Pocket accepted.
WH's iso:
I feel like he's a strong town lean for me. Excellent tone, flow, reads feel like a logical progression and they're similar to my own so far. Don't like the naked Manasi vote, but he's expressed concern with her for a while, so it makes sense. Nothing really stuck out as scummy or poor logic/tone. He's probably the most my strongest town read so far, and I'm pretty confident in that assessment.
Not that I object, but I thought Pizza was your strongest town read? Or was it just vice versa?
Never mind, asked and answered.
Yeah, I'd say so. Csnow I haven't gotten to yet, but initially I never felt particularly confident in people's townreads. I just didn't really like his opening to the game, and thought it was odd. I already talked about Fred earlier. I'm losing confidence in pizza, because he's basically ignored Cuth's posts, and for general paranoia/pocketing reasons. I really like Winston's iso, nothing struck me as anything less sparkly clean, maybe I should be concerned about that?
see
i kinda like this
and i kinda think this COULD be the case
but it just seems
too easy
those are the low posters, and more to the point the low-impact posters
i don't think this is that sort of game
It really could be, though. Scum aren't always pulling the strings.
ok
so i just grabbed some posts from a random page, 9 in this case
first off
confirmed town/very likely town
focusing game on potential mislynches
on low-hanging fruit that won't fight back, as it were
"the people who are here, which include me, but not a bunch of my suspects
well, i thought my suspects looked comfortable with where votes where, so everyone here needs to cfd"
editor's note: this is cow feces
pulling up different mislynches
still looking at >confirmed town, probably town, probably town, ???
he's literally focusing the game
and i'm not saying that that'd never happen as town
just in this case IT IS ON TOWN
that is SOMETHING THAT IS SIGNIFICANT
he is giving out a level of confidence that is THIS BIG and pushing town, and focusing on people who are super towny, in particular people who aren't around, as he admitted himself, going into eod
this is not the towniest approach i've ever seen, but i don't know about you
important context: jowy was town
so here we have pizza offering two choices
either lynch scum and call it bussing
or lynch pizza and he's town and jowyscum will survive until endgame and ??nobody is paying attention??
first off, there are a couple of false claims in there, in particular that jowy was either scummy or actually scum, and that nobody was paying attention
in this case, there were several people actively trying not to lynch jowy, and being in the thread and trying to solve
this is unfounded
in addition, he never offers the option of jowy potentially being town
again, he doesn't want attention to go there
again, that could happen as town
again, it's a strange juxtaposition of confidence levels
either he's confident about his thoughts which are bad, so much so that he deliberately spends all his effort focusing everything on this small pool of towny people
or he's scum
and now he calls it a gutsy call, rather than obviously lynching the obvious scum
he says look at the effort i did, look at me, ask me questions
he doesn't ever try to engage people, draw them out, unless it lines up with his agenda
and that's kinda pizza's mojo anyway
but
it just drips of insincerity and misdirection to me
Reading this makes me want to lynch Pizza again. This was an honest case by Cuth.
I'm not really liking Manasi lynch if only cus I don't learn anything.
The other 3 I have issues with
Novice: cus I don't want to doubt my IGR on him
Pizza: cus I'd be sheeping the meta
Bart: cus I don't want to tunnel.
Cuth and I are melding, and if he sites the Pizza Meta as enough to lynch him I guess I can get behind the Pizza lynch I guess. I do think I have something I want to pursue for the next phase though.
IGR?
What was the thing you wanted to pursue in the next phase?
I'll have to continue tomorrow.
Vote: Logic, see post 1547 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053753338&viewfull=1#post2053753338) for reasons.
El Barto
06-27-2017, 23:29
First things first. vote: Manasi
Now I'm off to read the thread.
Manasi's seemed townier to me so far.
Show and tell?
Are you really, though? Backburner lynchbait, perhaps.
Idk what this is supposed to mean in terms of me or Manasi.
I was surprised, yes.
This early D1 post from Manasi really jumps out in light of yesterday's events:
Because he didn't post himself clear and she still voted Pizza? Or for a different reason?
oook. I'm so glad I didn't get dayvigged, because I didn't read up before I started to post.
El Barto
06-27-2017, 23:51
BARTO PLEASE
You're my favorite.
Don't do this.
Oh, I am doing this.
Your reaction is too similar to the one last game where I vigged you. Goodbye.
Anyway, I have this thing I've been procrastinating on that my boss wants to look at tomorrow afternoon so I will probably not be ITT until around 2 EST tomorrow weeeeee. <3
Oh, really? What a convenient excuse. You know what they say about players who announce their absences in advance, don't you?
Also if I was scum I'd be tilted/10 at this turn of events.
What a strange postulate to make.
I take back what I said about taking back what I said about Bsmith being lazy.
He's just a wolf.
Sooh now significantly less wolfy than Manasi and I figured one was inside of them. Lynch one is a wolf, resolves the other town.
Here's how you can tell Novice is a wolf, if you blatantly ignore what I said before:
Novice: Normal
Novice: dip dip dip
Novice: ain't got much to say
That's wolfy.
(!)
Just like every other day...
She hasn't stopped being wrong, you know. Manasi continues to fail to address anything levelled at her
Correct music btw:
Galgasång
Kerpele, that's a good one.
Given what we know now that's a very sinister suggestion.
It's very sinister to propose a thunderdome between a proven Innocent and yourself, my good sir?
That's pretty uncharitable.
It is?
GH isn't lock town, and GH only claimed at SoD today.
Wait. See here:
I'm reheating pizza right now.
That was posted before the night phase ended, Monty.
I see novice has entered full tilt mode, grasping at any which straw. This would seem to be what you lynched Pizza over.
The first is IMO very unlikely. XCOM has no way to revive people, whereas the aliens have multiple units that can bring people back as zombies.
The second half of this is the scummiest and most ineffective method I have ever seen of discrediting someone. In fact, I think it's so bad that Vote: Montmorency because this cannot stand.
OK, Manasi and novice as my top scums, possible ‘thunderdome’, in MU parlance, between Dp101 and Montmorency, let us not ignore BSmith.
El Barto
06-27-2017, 23:51
oook. I'm so glad I didn't get dayvigged, because I didn't read up before I started to post.
????
????
Which part are you not getting?
There was an event. I called it a dayvig. Glad it wasn't me or I might have broken the game.
El Barto
06-27-2017, 23:57
Which part are you not getting?
There was an event. I called it a dayvig. Glad it wasn't me or I might have broken the game.
:sweatdrop:
:bow:
El Barto
06-28-2017, 01:11
:on_corner:
Okay at least he recanted the suggested postponement of the thunderdome.
I can understand the call for a thunderdome too from a townie perspective, although of course scum would love it too. One thing's for sure, scum would prefer Pizza to lose the thunderdome, and go for a 2-for-1.Call me grasping at straws, but this rings hollow.
The temptation to resolve Pizza ASAP is a strong one.
And ten minutes later GH and his reanimated atpg both die?
:on_huh:
And ten minutes later GH and his reanimated atpg both die?
:on_huh:
I thought that quote was describing Novice's opinion of Monty's thoughts from yesterday? I think it's just a coincidence that that conversation occurred soon before the GH probable vig.
El Barto
06-28-2017, 01:27
This is a list of our current votes:
Manasi - 4 (Sooh #1464, Autolycus #1506, Winston Hughes #1514, El Barto #1560)
novice - 2 (GeneralHankerchief #1508; Logic #1513)
Logic - 1 (novice #1559)
Montmorency - 1 (Dp101 #1536)
Other votes - Dp101: Autolycus, #1497, later unvoted
not voting - 7 Askthepizzaguy, BSmith, Csargo, Cuthillius, Fredwood, Manasi, Montmorency
novice includes, in his vote in #1559, an anaphoric reference to #1547:
Follows Pizza, says he will stop doing that and reassess, finds GH very suspicious, is happy with his vote on me.
Could be trying to get Csargo:
I'd like to lynch one of these people today:
novice, Logic, Manasi, Barto.
to follow.
This happened right after GH was cleared as townie, so I'll put my tinfoil hat on in order to prevent humanic conspiracy theories.
El Barto
06-28-2017, 01:27
I thought that quote was describing Novice's opinion of Monty's thoughts from yesterday? I think it's just a coincidence that that conversation occurred soon before the GH probable vig.
Argh! x-post!
Read on about why I am suspicious of novice's posts and the timing of atpg's death.
El Barto
06-28-2017, 01:28
*read above
Argh! x-post!
Read on about why I am suspicious of novice's posts and the timing of atpg's death.
I did, and I really don't see what you are seeing. Novice's stated reason is that Logic admitted to sheeping, resolved to stop sheeping a now-dead town, and decided to go after another now-dead town. Seems like a perfectly natural case to me.
El Barto
06-28-2017, 01:39
Timing! The point is in the timing. novice didn't actually argue that until both GH and atpg were dead.
El Barto
06-28-2017, 01:43
Well, those were musings anyway. Just remember atpg's posts on novice and mull them over.
:on_corner:
And ten minutes later GH and his reanimated atpg both die?
:on_huh:
So, Barto, how do you propose to solve this problem?
I know some of you were considering a sooh/Manasi thunderdome, but support for that that seems to have fallen off. I think novice is much more likely wolf than anyone, and I am willing to put my neck on the line for a Logic/novice thinderdome.
If novice is not going to be the lynch today, the next best case scenario is Manasi.
I know at least Csargo would like to lynch Manasi and novice as well, but he also wants to kill me and El Barto, so I don't know helpful he can be.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 01:54
:on_corner:
And ten minutes later GH and his reanimated atpg both die?
:on_huh:
Barto puppeted by Csargo
Anyway, novice was referring to the events of EOD2 to be fair.
This is a list of our current votes:
Manasi - 4 (Sooh #1464, Autolycus #1506, Winston Hughes #1514, El Barto #1560)
novice - 2 (GeneralHankerchief #1508; Logic #1513)
Logic - 1 (novice #1559)
Montmorency - 1 (Dp101 #1536)
Other votes - Dp101: Autolycus, #1497, later unvoted
not voting - 7 Askthepizzaguy, BSmith, Csargo, Cuthillius, Fredwood, Manasi, Montmorency
novice includes, in his vote in #1559, an anaphoric reference to #1547:
Could be trying to get Csargo:
to follow.
This happened right after GH was cleared as townie, so I'll put my tinfoil hat on in order to prevent humanic conspiracy theories.
GH is dead, voting novice, would vote Sooh over Manasi. Easy to call it scummy for novice, or even to call it scummy for Manasi using it as a pressure release on her own wagon, but in fact I think we can say GH or Cuth were the most obvious mafia vigs around as PR claimants.
Timing! The point is in the timing. novice didn't actually argue that until both GH and atpg were dead.
Novice's post immediately following gives the appearance that he didn't see the dayvig until after he made the Logic post.
Well, those were musings anyway. Just remember atpg's posts on novice and mull them over.
No vote just yet? Or are you still happy with either Manasi or novice?
You can remove GH from the votes on Novice.
I'd like to see again why Monty and Logic each have a vote please.
No vote just yet? Or are you still happy with either Manasi or novice?
Huh?
I don't have time to be as awesome as I have been in previous days, sorry for that, I'm super tired from work and have to work early in the morning again. I'm not terribly bothered that Manasi is the top wagon, but I'd prefer probably Logic/novice at this point. I don't think either has been as townie as Pokemon game tbh, which is concerning to me. I'd rather lynch there.
Vote: novice
Official Tally as of #1581
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Day 3 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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4 Manasi (Sooh, autolycus, Winston Hughes, El Barto)
2 novice (Logic, Csargo)
1 Logic (novice)
1 Montmorency (Dp101)
----
Not Voting: BSmith, Cuth, Fred, Monty
Not Posting: Manasi
----
If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
I don't have time to be as awesome as I have been in previous days, sorry for that, I'm super tired from work and have to work early in the morning again. I'm not terribly bothered that Manasi is the top wagon, but I'd prefer probably Logic/novice at this point. I don't think either has been as townie as Pokemon game tbh, which is concerning to me. I'd rather lynch there.
Vote: novice
Neither have been as townie is your argument here?
Can you go into specifics on one of them? Preferably the one you want lynched the most.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 02:39
Huh?
I'm asking if Barto is still happy with either novice or Manasi being lynched, or if he's preferring to put one off for another day.
As for me, with the assumption that we aren't devastatingly off-track, two primary wagons between Manasi and novice have best potential for spew.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 02:39
Vote: novice
El Barto
06-28-2017, 02:46
So, Barto, how do you propose to solve this problem?
I know some of you were considering a sooh/Manasi thunderdome, but support for that that seems to have fallen off. I think novice is much more likely wolf than anyone, and I am willing to put my neck on the line for a Logic/novice thinderdome.
If novice is not going to be the lynch today, the next best case scenario is Manasi.
I know at least Csargo would like to lynch Manasi and novice as well, but he also wants to kill me and El Barto, so I don't know helpful he can be.
Barto puppeted by Csargo
Anyway, novice was referring to the events of EOD2 to be fair.
I'll reread tomorrow.
And Csargo has no extremities up my rectum, thank you very much.
No vote just yet? Or are you still happy with either Manasi or novice?[/QUOTE]
Ahem?
First things first. vote: Manasi
Now I'm off to read the thread.
Don't you read? I even posted my tally with my vote in it.
You can remove GH from the votes on Novice.
I'd like to see again why Monty and Logic each have a vote please.
The one on Logic is a thinly-disguised OMGUS. For the other one, see #1536 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053753324).
Neither have been as townie is your argument here?
Can you go into specifics on one of them? Preferably the one you want lynched the most.
Go find my iso of Logic. I don't have time to indulge you Sooh. :| But basically yeah, I don't think either has played like the last game, that doesn't make them scum, but it doesn't look good to me.
It's good to see you branching out though. Maybe you'll vote me by the end of the phase, what a world that'll be.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 02:53
Don't you read? I even posted my tally with my vote in it.
I'm referring to you sussing novice, and what it means relative to the Manasi vote. Yesterday, for example, you started on Manasi and finished on novice.
Go find my iso of Logic. I don't have time to indulge you Sooh. :| But basically yeah, I don't think either has played like the last game, that doesn't make them scum, but it doesn't look good to me.
It's good to see you branching out though. Maybe you'll vote me by the end of the phase, what a world that'll be.
Wow.
Great sarcasm. Really going to help people solve the game.
Wow.
Great sarcasm. Really going to help people solve the game.
Vote:Sooh
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 03:15
Vote:Sooh
E-evil?
El Barto
06-28-2017, 03:18
I just read that post in Michael Cera's voice.
I'm referring to you sussing novice, and what it means relative to the Manasi vote. Yesterday, for example, you started on Manasi and finished on novice.
And during the night Manasi managed to be scummier. Conveniently, today she's off the grid. But she only announced that after I'd started going after her and told her I'd be voting for her today.
So first I came in, voted for Manasi, then started reading about 200 posts. Right now I'd rather see Manasi and novice swing.
Vote:Sooh
GR8 vote m8, I rate 8/8.
Seriously, how do you get scummiess out of bitterness?
GR8 vote m8, I rate 8/8.
Seriously, how do you get scummiess out of bitterness?
You think so? I'd disagree, reads as disingenuous to me, especially the last sentence. Her tone has been iffy in spots throughout this game, seems really on edge. The only saving grace is the iso's which were decent, but up until now she's been fairly disengaged. Mostly my votes for tone though, because that's how a read people. As you can clearly see Dp101, I'm not the most logical player.
You think so? I'd disagree, reads as disingenuous to me, especially the last sentence. Her tone has been iffy in spots throughout this game, seems really on edge. The only saving grace is the iso's which were decent, but up until now she's been fairly disengaged. Mostly my votes for tone though, because that's how I read people. As you can clearly see Dp101, I'm not the most logical player.
Can't type.
Cuthillius
06-28-2017, 04:40
Vote:Sooh
i
thought that was one of sooh's towniest posts so far
from what i know of her
Cuthillius
06-28-2017, 04:41
csargo where are you at on dp now
csargo where are you at on dp now
town
i
thought that was one of sooh's towniest posts so far
from what i know of her
I disagree, but I haven't played much with her iirc.
Cuthillius
06-28-2017, 05:13
town
what changed
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 05:17
Hmm
Speaking of audacity and the logic behind Manasi voting to tie as scum, whether or not novice himself is her partner: everyone recalls D3 in Pokemon, right?
Csargo showed up EOD and there were 4 or so viable wagons, one of which was scum, at 2 votes each, so Csargo came and made a snap decision to vote auto (who had no votes prior to this), and this eventually ended in a 3-3 tie between auto and I.
I'm not even going to bother comparing Manasi and Csargo to each other in that game.
I don't know if this means I'll end up driving a Manasi lynch, but I think we should reduce the likelihood that Manasi was voting to save a partner if she is scum.
Another note about Manasi in that game is that she directly and repeatedly cleared her own team as townies in the discourse, naming them among her Town core.
BTW, Csargo's post forming the auto wagon:
Are we just ignoring the fact that auto came in with that readlist with 2 scum leans and then voted BSmith? Is that not as weird as I think it is?
Unvote: Champ, Vote:autolycus
I'm just going to blindly trust Zack on Champ I guess, plus he was here and posted so seems good.
Why are we still discussing Monty's case on GH? It's bad, I thought that was already established. Discussing it further doesn't make it more or less bad. I don't know what to say at this point really.
Zack's stock is on the rise it seems.
Posting a lot like he's been today, or like his least favorable moments the other days. Town equity dropping.
Official Tally as of #1602
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Day 3 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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4 Manasi (Sooh, autolycus, Winston Hughes, El Barto)
2 novice (Logic, Montmorency)
1 Logic (novice)
1 Montmorency (Dp101)
1 Sooh (Csargo)
----
Not Voting: BSmith, Cuthillius, Fredwood
Not Posting: Manasi
----
If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
Please note the timer, EOD is earlier than the usual time!
what changed
I already said, I liked his post-D2, thought it felt town.
Question is, in terms of Manasi voting to save a partner, did she know the current vote count at that time? Iirc she was frustrated about not knowing the vote count before at one point, and it's not as easily accessible here as it is on MU, so that could make it harder to know if it would just look like a scummy move or a regular vote.
Idk if that makes sense. I just think that it seems like Manasi's level of interest this game matches her previous scum game, though she might be even less interested here. I haven't played that many games with her, but I would think she cares more as town.
sup.
Leave me alone, Barto. I got the :daisy: done and then decided to relax for a second. I thought it'd be better if I let you guys know before because I knew I'd be working for like 20 hours straight.
Still a wagon feelsbadman.
5 PM EOD feelsbadman.
Prolly won't be around, mostly bc I'll probably just be coming home from work.
As for slight catch up...
Csargo is town.
I think novice is town. -- Yes, that means I think we had v/v/v wagons. I know that's unreasonable, just a gut read.
I feel like I'm not gonna be able to be very happy this game until we resolve Sooh, but that might be me just being stubborn.
El Barto dropping RAPIDLY. Would vote today or tomorrow.
Should be around for the rest of the day unless my other boss realizes he hasn't seen me in something around a week.
Question is, in terms of Manasi voting to save a partner, did she know the current vote count at that time? Iirc she was frustrated about not knowing the vote count before at one point, and it's not as easily accessible here as it is on MU, so that could make it harder to know if it would just look like a scummy move or a regular vote.
Idk if that makes sense. I just think that it seems like Manasi's level of interest this game matches her previous scum game, though she might be even less interested here. I haven't played that many games with her, but I would think she cares more as town.
Nah last game was bc of the game on POG running and having a worse off wolf team there than I did here, so had to work a lot harder in that one.
Not talking about this game at all, just explaining my absence in Pokemon.
tfw Zack can't decide what time of day he wants to use to :daisy: u over.
Either when ur coming home from work
or when ur already asleep
Oh. I forgot to give Cuth a town read!
Welp, just seven hours left in the day?
Idk what this is supposed to mean in terms of me or Manasi.
I was surprised, yes.
I meant, were you really that sussed?
Timing! The point is in the timing. novice didn't actually argue that until both GH and atpg were dead.
It was a crosspost.
I'll have to continue tomorrow.
Vote: Logic, see post 1547 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152751-XCOM-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053753338&viewfull=1#post2053753338) for reasons.
Should also include post 1535:
This is a weird progression. You go from a nullish read to "a tad on the scummy side" which becomes "very suspicious" by the end of the post. Not to mention that the "tad on the scummy side" tell objectively isn't scummy. (But that is in Logic's derp range.)
Town:
novice
Not willing to lynch:
Cuthillius
Dp101
Winston Hughes
Don't think so:
Sooh
Fredwood
Willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
El Barto
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
Manasi, this is for your benefit.
Moderator notice: Stop swearing.
There could be a long and elaborate explanation that goes with this, but just stop. If you have to, use the daisy smiley (:daisy:) if necessary. If you do not, I will be making edits to posts to do this. No actual game content will be altered.
Manasi, this is for your benefit.
If that becomes a daisy I'ma cry.
Okay anyway.
How the :daisy: are people reading Auto as town?
All two of his posts were him sheeping (now dead confirmed villagers) and doing ~nothing else to help himself.
He somehow had an independent scum read on DP who is so far down everyone's lists it's insane.
I'm just shocked he only has two relevant posts in the game.
How is this okay?
Vote: Auto
Welp, just seven hours left in the day?
I meant, were you really that sussed?
It was a crosspost.
Should also include post 1535:
Town:
novice
Not willing to lynch:
Cuthillius
Dp101
Winston Hughes
Don't think so:
Sooh
Fredwood
Willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
El Barto
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
Sure felt that way. Maybe just because Pizza is so loud and people are generally listening to him.
Also, your scum list is way too long. Can you sort out who are the more likely scums?
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 15:33
IGR?
What was the thing you wanted to pursue in the next phase?
Catching up
In game read, before the Pizza flinch you were my top town read. I stated in my ISO breakdown of you while ISOing you the framing was convenient. I was very conflicted over that lynch primarily because I had given you both major town cred that phase. I felt a lynch on you taught us more, but my read had been stronger for longer on you, and Cuth made the case about effort always being a part of Pizza's meta.
I mentioned it later when Monty mentioned Logic, I had some issue with Logic's post and progression from day 2 that I wanted to explore, and I hadn't seen anyone else mention him and I didn't have the energy or didn't think it was the right time to build a case against someone who was a mostly null read for everyone.
Catching up
In game read, before the Pizza flinch you were my top town read. I stated in my ISO breakdown of you while ISOing you the framing was convenient. I was very conflicted over that lynch primarily because I had given you both major town cred that phase. I felt a lynch on you taught us more, but my read had been stronger for longer on you, and Cuth made the case about effort always being a part of Pizza's meta.
I mentioned it later when Monty mentioned Logic, I had some issue with Logic's post and progression from day 2 that I wanted to explore, and I hadn't seen anyone else mention him and I didn't have the energy or didn't think it was the right time to build a case against someone who was a mostly null read for everyone.
Can you read all of auto's TWO POSTS
and tell me how you feel
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 16:04
Kind of nuts that everyone's willing to lynch list is so large at this point, frustrating, until I realize that my willing to lynch list is rather large as well.
Still rather high on Cuth, not just because I agreed with the logic, I don't think pushing the lynch on a town Pizza is a scum play there. Even if he's a masterful scum, it's a tough sell. Right now the Manasi/Sooh fight feels more like w/v then the Pizza novice really ever did. I haven't given either of them any serious town cred up til this point, and there hasn't been a ton of reason to change that.
I will say Sooh's recent post about Manasi not knowing the vote count when she voted, basically defending Manasi for being voted for the wrong reason reads rather town to me. I don't know if I'd give credit myself to Manasi on that point now, but the fact that Sooh is at least providing a plausible explanation for that vote even though they've been at each other for 3 phases would bring me to town lean Sooh more then Manasi.
The Novice/Pizza Thunderdome just feel like it lacks closure. Novice just tarnished too much in my eyes at this point, fairly or unfairly (because a lot of it was through no fault of his own). Is it a good reason to lynch someone...no (maybe?), just feels like unfinished business.
Barto...don't know what to do with him. Haven't seen reason to town read him and he's rather boisterous, but aside from people throwing his name out for lynch candidate, there doesn't seem to be any traction on him. So either all those mentions are parroting/distancing or people just don't feel as strongly as they say they do.
BSmith: His vote is the worst of anyone's for me. It doesn't feel right that a low poster would have that much of an impact on an outcome of a big lynch. It feels like the vote was being directed. It's too beneficially timed and beneficially scum to be made on his own when he hasn't been able to pay much attention to the game to this point and the Pizza v Novice debate was a very content heavy one. Could be an apology patsy vote. It wasn't last second but it did build the distribution to at least make a Pizza lynch more likely.
Logic: It's strange that this feels like a POE thing, I can't put him in my town core, and I have reasons for not wanting to put him in my town core, however he's far from the scummiest person on my mind.
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 16:10
Can you read all of auto's TWO POSTS
and tell me how you feel
Auto's a problem, don't know if he's necessarily a day phase problem, if his existence persists beyond the next few phases then yeah we'd have to lynch him before a theoretical lylo, Pizza almost lock clearing him after an extremely early vote on novice that felt jokey is part of the reason I sided with Novice in the great Day 2 Thunderdome.
Auto's a problem, don't know if he's necessarily a day phase problem, if his existence persists beyond the next few phases then yeah we'd have to lynch him before a theoretical lylo, Pizza almost lock clearing him after an extremely early vote on novice that felt jokey is part of the reason I sided with Novice in the great Day 2 Thunderdome.
So you're just suggesting we leave him open for a vig or something?
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 16:33
So you're just suggesting we leave him open for a vig or something?
Or something, just feels like an unproductive lynch after D2.
I'm at a weird crossroads with inactive lynching. How many games in Champs were ruined by allowing them to skate? Then you get stuck having to decide with them in Lylo situations, it's just a mess. But if there's better information to be had, I still want to go for those lynches. I think the window for inactive lynching is day 1, maybe I'm overthinking it, but I'm having a crisis of faith over it.
Or something, just feels like an unproductive lynch after D2.
I'm at a weird crossroads with inactive lynching. How many games in Champs were ruined by allowing them to skate? Then you get stuck having to decide with them in Lylo situations, it's just a mess. But if there's better information to be had, I still want to go for those lynches. I think the window for inactive lynching is day 1, maybe I'm overthinking it, but I'm having a crisis of faith over it.
Why didn't you push for it then? Unless I'm misunderstanding.
Cuthillius
06-28-2017, 17:03
vote: bsmith
i feel like manasi/sooh could have one and novice could be one
but at the same time
i think smith's vote and subsequent explanation look worse
i
i really dunno right now
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 17:22
Why didn't you push for it then? Unless I'm misunderstanding.
Because I had a read on Barto and voted him.
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 17:24
Why didn't you push for it then? Unless I'm misunderstanding.
And no, I don't know what to do with them. That's what the whole point was, I'm softening on not wanting to lynch them I guess, but at a certain point not only are they a detriment to solving the game but for the enjoyment also...so just a massive shrug I guess.
Unofficial update to the Tally:
Day 3 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
4 Manasi (Sooh, autolycus, Winston Hughes, El Barto)
2 novice (Logic, Montmorency)
1 Logic (novice)
1 Montmorency (Dp101)
1 Sooh (Csargo)
1 autolycus (Manasi)
Bsmith (Cuthillius)
----
Not Voting: BSmith, Fredwood
Fred, I noticed that you are here, and still not voting. Is there a reason you are hesitating?
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 18:37
The reason is that there's 4 or 5 people I want to vote for. If Bsmith is being directed, I don't want to give an opening.
Vote: Bsmith
I'll park it there for now though.
I'm not sure how to feel about the manasi wagon. While the majority of her posts have been nullish-mildly scummy, this push could easily be scum just pushing someone who's hard to read and relying on town paranoia to get their mislynch for them. I mean, there are definitely worse lynches, but this does feel a little like a path of least resistance kinda option.
She has yet to address any of my points regarding her posting. Her posts today have been more towny, but I'm scared she'll be the one to get away. Still don't see much of a push off from her though, but she may also not have very active partners.
I'm not sure how to feel about the manasi wagon. While the majority of her posts have been nullish-mildly scummy, this push could easily be scum just pushing someone who's hard to read and relying on town paranoia to get their mislynch for them. I mean, there are definitely worse lynches, but this does feel a little like a path of least resistance kinda option.
Depending on how serious you are about beimg wary of a Manasi wagon, there are two alternate wagons you could join to make today a bit more competetitive.
Also, your scum list is way too long. Can you sort out who are the more likely scums?
Not so easy. Maybe:
Willing to lynch:
Manasi
Montmorency
More willing to lynch:
Csargo
El Barto
Even more willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Logic
Popping out for more furniture, will be back before lynchtime.
Fred, what do you think about my points on Logic?
Official Tally as of #1632
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Day 3 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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4 Manasi (Sooh, autolycus, Winston Hughes, El Barto)
2 BSmith (Cuth, Fred)
2 novice (Logic, Montmorency)
1 autolycus (Manasi)
1 Logic (novice)
1 Montmorency (Dp101)
1 Sooh (Csargo)
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Not Voting: BSmith
Not Posting: n/a
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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
Not so easy. Maybe:
Willing to lynch:
Manasi
Montmorency
More willing to lynch:
Csargo
El Barto
Even more willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Logic
Your list looks like
Post little
Posts ok
Posts very little (except Logic)
It's like a low hanging fruits list.
It's garbage the day ends in 3 hours. :daisy: this :daisy:
I don't feel great about novice, manasi, Sooh, or Bsmith. Maybe in the night I'll be able to catch up. Of those options Bsmith is the least helpful, so I'm going to go with Cuth here.
Vote:BSmith
It's garbage the day ends in 3 hours. :daisy: this :daisy:
I don't feel great about novice, manasi, Sooh, or Bsmith. Maybe in the night I'll be able to catch up. Of those options Bsmith is the least helpful, so I'm going to go with Cuth here.
Vote:BSmith
...but you were previously voting for sooh...
What changed your mind there?
...and now it looks like I am just popping in because I am being talked about, but in reality it is my first real break in the day from work. Oh well. Life happens.
As to me being directed, I can assure you that no such thing is happening. I’m calling it as I see it and like I said in retrospect my vote on ATPG looks bad and the timing is being construed negatively, but with the limited time I have to post in the day that is just how it played out. Take that how you will. I said before and I’ll say again, I’d vote ATPG again given the chance and the info I had at the time. If that earns me a lynch, then so be it.
But I don’t want to die today, so vote: Manasi.
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 19:19
Popping out for more furniture, will be back before lynchtime.
Fred, what do you think about my points on Logic?
I don't think they're compelling. Those posts feel...dunno, like townie grasping for a strong town to clear?
My issue with logic isn't so much that he has done stuff that's scum it's that I've seen nothing that I can give him town cred for. There's some effort in some of his analysis I guess, but the progressions he takes to get there I have problems with.
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 19:37
To further my thought, my feeling with Logic is that he's either going to clear himself or one day phase he's just going to be overwhelmingly lynched for being a universal meh read. I don't feel he's there yet, and I tried to do an ISO and I just didn't find damning evidence that I can't see an explanation for especially from/on a player I don't know.
Winston Hughes
06-28-2017, 19:38
Laziness plus early eod means I've only skimmed the isos, but this is where I'm at:
Cuth
Sooh/Barto
Csargo/Fredwood/Monty
Logic/novice/DP101/autolycus
BSmith
Manasi
Winston Hughes
06-28-2017, 19:48
Because he didn't post himself clear and she still voted Pizza? Or for a different reason?
That wasn't exactly what I was thinking.
My first reaction when I picked it up after the pizza lynch was that it was Manasi setting herself up for a future townread on scumbuddy novice.
On reflection, though, it could just as easily be Manasi setting herself up for a future scumread on townie novice.
(Or, if I must look outside my tunnel for a moment, I suppose it could be a genuine observation made without any nefarious intent.)
...but you were previously voting for sooh...
What changed your mind there?
Cuth.
I think there have been two people in this game who have town read me.
Good work, you guys.
People just seem comfortable in their POE and I'm gonna be at work/in a car until EOD.
I do still think that people are just overlooking auto which really :daisy: bugs me.
I have maybe read one BSmith post but I'd go for them over me if it came to it.
I don't think Sooh has been posting better but I also don't think she's getting lynched in any world today so rip.
Sooh, what were the questions I didn't respond to?
I think there have been two people in this game who have town read me.
Good work, you guys.
People just seem comfortable in their POE and I'm gonna be at work/in a car until EOD.
I do still think that people are just overlooking auto which really :daisy: bugs me.
I have maybe read one BSmith post but I'd go for them over me if it came to it.
I don't think Sooh has been posting better but I also don't think she's getting lynched in any world today so rip.
Sooh, what were the questions I didn't respond to?
They weren't questions. I had comments to your posts, and I was hoping for your explanation, but I guess I didn't ask outright.
I think there have been two people in this game who have town read me.
Good work, you guys.
People just seem comfortable in their POE and I'm gonna be at work/in a car until EOD.
I do still think that people are just overlooking auto which really :daisy: bugs me.
I have maybe read one BSmith post but I'd go for them over me if it came to it.
I don't think Sooh has been posting better but I also don't think she's getting lynched in any world today so rip.
Sooh, what were the questions I didn't respond to?
They weren't questions. I had comments to your posts, and I was hoping for your explanation, but I guess I didn't ask outright.
They weren't questions. I had comments to your posts, and I was hoping for your explanation, but I guess I didn't ask outright.
I'll look.
Site's glitching pretty hard and allowing double posts.
RIP
Official Tally as of #1647
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Day 3 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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5 Manasi (Sooh, autolycus, Winston Hughes, El Barto, BSmith)
3 BSmith (Cuth, Fred, Csargo)
2 novice (Logic, Montmorency)
1 autolycus (Manasi)
1 Logic (novice)
1 Montmorency (Dp101)
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Not Voting: n/a
Not Posting: n/a
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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
It's garbage the day ends in 3 hours. :daisy: this :daisy:
I don't feel great about novice, manasi, Sooh, or Bsmith. Maybe in the night I'll be able to catch up. Of those options Bsmith is the least helpful, so I'm going to go with Cuth here.
Vote:BSmith
...but you were previously voting for sooh...
What changed your mind there?
Cuth.
So, you changed your mind on sooh, based on the two things Cuth has had to say on the matter?
Wow.
Great sarcasm. Really going to help people solve the game.
Vote:Sooh
i
thought that was one of sooh's towniest posts so far
from what i know of her
I disagree, but I haven't played much with her iirc.
vote: bsmith
i feel like manasi/sooh could have one and novice could be one
but at the same time
i think smith's vote and subsequent explanation look worse
i
i really dunno right now
It's garbage the day ends in 3 hours. :daisy: this :daisy:
I don't feel great about novice, manasi, Sooh, or Bsmith. Maybe in the night I'll be able to catch up. Of those options Bsmith is the least helpful, so I'm going to go with Cuth here.
Vote:BSmithInitially, Cuth ponders about your your sooh vote, gives an opinion, to which you disagree. But then Cuth later votes for Bsmith, and now you jumping on Bsmith and are doubting sooh based on Cuth's word?
I'm very tempted to vote for you, Csargo.
I would not be opposed to a Csargo Cfd.
I think Manasi or BSmith has to go today.
I would not be opposed to a Csargo Cfd.
It'll certainly take more than you and me.
But I'll put my money where my mouth is:
Unvote
Vote: Csargo
It'll certainly take more than you and me.
But I'll put my money where my mouth is:
Unvote
Vote: Csargo
I'll also switch if there is more support for the idea, although I think it's a pipedream right now.
I'll also switch if there is more support for the idea, although I think it's a pipedream right now.
With 38 minutes to go, I agree.
I will endeavor to get online again before EOD if possible.
I'll bite. unvote; vote: Csargo
Official Tally as of #1655
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Day 3 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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4 Manasi (Sooh, autolycus, Winston Hughes, El Barto)
3 BSmith (Cuth, Fred, Csargo)
2 Csargo (Logic, BSmith)
1 autolycus (Manasi)
1 Logic (novice)
1 Montmorency (Dp101)
1 novice (Montmorency)
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Not Voting: n/a
Not Posting: n/a
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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
I'll bite. unvote; vote: Csargo
Why?
Looks opportunistic.
Seriously.
BSmith or Manasi. Put your vote on one of them.
Why?
Looks opportunistic.
Because I am actually here for once and don't feel like being boring. No mistake, I will vote to save myself and go back to Manasi if I need to. I'm fine lynching there too.
Your list looks like
Post little
Posts ok
Posts very little (except Logic)
It's like a low hanging fruits list.
I'm willing to lynch the high hanging fruits also. I think the low hanging fruits are safer but the higher ones could be very revealing.
Seriously.
BSmith or Manasi. Put your vote on one of them.
Why, exactly?
And aren't they low hanging fruits?
Why, exactly?
And aren't they low hanging fruits?
BSmith might be. I don't feel that way about Manasi.
BSmith might be. I don't feel that way about Manasi.
Ok then. Vote: Manasi
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 21:53
Oh Christ.
Not good on my part. But why novice DP Manasi voting the way they are, theyve been here.
Oh Christ.
Not good on my part. But why novice DP Manasi voting the way they are, theyve been here.
What are you talking about?
Oh Christ.
Not good on my part. But why novice DP Manasi voting the way they are, theyve been here.
I'll probably switch to someone before the end, still undecided, I think I've wifomed too hard internally on all of the suspects.
Official Tally as of #1669
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Day 3 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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5 Manasi (Sooh, autolycus, Winston Hughes, El Barto, novice)
3 BSmith (Cuth, Fred, Csargo)
2 Csargo (Logic, BSmith)
1 autolycus (Manasi)
1 Montmorency (Dp101)
1 novice (Montmorency)
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Not Voting: n/a
Not Posting: n/a
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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.
Vote: BSmith I'll explain why later, you just have to trust me for a bit.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 21:57
Fredwood started the wagon. Cuth, Csargo 3rd.
Fine, since they're among my towniest, let's put their process to the test and see if they're not saving scum Manasi or novice.
Vote: BSmith
Official Tally as of #1673 (FINAL TALLY)
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Day 3 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
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:skull: 6 Manasi (Sooh, autolycus, Winston Hughes, El Barto, novice, BSmith)
5 BSmith (Cuth, Fred, Csargo, Dp101, Monty)
1 autolycus (Manasi)
1 Csargo (Logic)
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Not Voting: n/a
Not Posting: n/a
Day is over. DO NOT POST.
End of Day 3.
Manasi was lynched in an explosive vote.
https://i.imgur.com/JtrNOZH.png
Manasi was a Grenadier!
She was mafia!
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It is now Night Three.
Deadline for night orders in: tunnel snakes rule
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Living Players: 12
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
Cuthillius
Dp101
El Barto
Fredwood
Logic
Montmorency
novice
Sooh
Winston Hughes
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Dead Players: 5
Jowy - Faceless
crimson_snow - Muton
Askthepizzaguy - Sectoid
GeneralHankerchief - Sectoid
Manasi - Grenadier
BOOYAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Omg so glad I stuck with that read!
<3 Manasi, you almost had me!
Ok, so to explain what I meant by my vote at the end, I was fairly sure that Manasi might be scum, and BSmith had a decent chance too, so my goal was to get the wagons close enough that enterprising scum might have jumped on BSmith in order to save Manasi, with best case scenario being that Manasi gets voted afterwards and the attempted save fails, getting 2 scum instead of just one. I'm moderately suspicious of Monty as a result of all this.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 22:11
Ok, so to explain what I meant by my vote at the end, I was fairly sure that Manasi might be scum, and BSmith had a decent chance too, so my goal was to get the wagons close enough that enterprising scum might have jumped on BSmith in order to save Manasi, with best case scenario being that Manasi gets voted afterwards and the attempted save fails, getting 2 scum instead of just one. I'm moderately suspicious of Monty as a result of all this.
I accept that, but it may reflect more poorly on Fredwood and Csargo depending on BSmith's alignment.
Sooh, auto, and Barto look best off that lynch.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 22:12
And DP for deciding the tally more or less, I suppose.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 22:14
I don't think these were all-scum wagons unless we're talking about Csargo-novice-Manasi-?. But that's actually a plausible team right now.
I'd like a BSmith/Novice thunderdome tomorrow I think. Definitely still suspicious of them both.
I don't think these were all-scum wagons unless we're talking about Csargo-novice-Manasi-?. But that's actually a plausible team right now.
Why are you excluding BSmith?
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 22:16
Why are you excluding BSmith?
That's the No.4, yes.
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 22:17
Good work Sooh
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 22:24
I'll give credit for Sooh for scummreading Manasi since day 1, not you. Soz.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 22:34
sup.
Leave me alone, Barto. I got the :daisy: done and then decided to relax for a second. I thought it'd be better if I let you guys know before because I knew I'd be working for like 20 hours straight.
Still a wagon feelsbadman.
5 PM EOD feelsbadman.
Prolly won't be around, mostly bc I'll probably just be coming home from work.
As for slight catch up...
Csargo is town.
I think novice is town. -- Yes, that means I think we had v/v/v wagons. I know that's unreasonable, just a gut read.
I feel like I'm not gonna be able to be very happy this game until we resolve Sooh, but that might be me just being stubborn.
El Barto dropping RAPIDLY. Would vote today or tomorrow.
Should be around for the rest of the day unless my other boss realizes he hasn't seen me in something around a week.
Reason to feel bad about Csargo and novice - as I said, based on Pokemon my suspicion is that Manasi tends to list her partners as her town core. Here, it is Cuth, novice, and Csargo - and Cuth is my town core. As for BSmith, it would look bad regardless, clearing him and voting for self-pres (no CFD?), clearing him clearing him while sacrificing herself. So Bsmith-scum not affected by that in the model.
D3 Csargo here was the worst of PokeCsargo (scum). In a perfect parallel, someone blocks him tonight and we have him dead to rights D4.
Flips, to a greater extent than with Fredwood, will resolve the question IMO.
Welp, just seven hours left in the day?
I meant, were you really that sussed?
It was a crosspost.
Should also include post 1535:
Town:
novice
Not willing to lynch:
Cuthillius
Dp101
Winston Hughes
Don't think so:
Sooh
Fredwood
Willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
El Barto
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
The one wrench to scum-novice here is that novice leans POE on his likely partners (tho high up, giving opportunity to shift), and he did vote Manasi today. As per the all-scum-wagons qualification, the town point turns to a scum point if BSmith is also scum. (Meanwhile, Fredwood returns to high town in that case and Csargo looks somewhat better).
I have to conclude that BSmith-novice dome tomorrow is the best idea, with so many loose ends cleared up by either one.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 22:38
Current leans:
Cuth
Sooh
DP
Fredwood (up or down based on flips)
auto
Barto
Winston
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Csargo (up or down based on posting and flips)
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Logic
BSmith
novice
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 22:52
Wait, something about novice's scum list that confuses me - so in his original list, he used reverse ordering?
Not so easy. Maybe:
Willing to lynch:
Manasi
Montmorency
More willing to lynch:
Csargo
El Barto
Even more willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Logic
Willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
El Barto
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
Most willing to lynch Bsmith, auto, Csargo, yet his votes for the day were Montmorency and Manasi?
Why were relative positions of the other leans static, when Logic suddenly leapt from middle-of-the-group to top (?) lynch candidate?
Something is weird here beyond the ordering.
Odds are I might be dead tomorrow for thunderdoming Manasi, so I must ask you to please move forward with the BSmith and Novice wagon idea.
The first list I published was unordered, or rather, in alphabetical order.
Also, I didn't vote for you, I voted Logic -> Manasi.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 23:10
Also, I didn't vote for you, I voted Logic -> Manasi.
I apologize, that was DP.
Fredwood
06-28-2017, 23:34
I feel so stupid calling Montmorency Montgomery the whole time. I thought it strange people were misspelling his name an awful lot.
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 23:37
IMPORTANT READ FIRST
Finally, since Pizza said to look to his Manasi superwall for partner spew in case she flips scum:
Manasi iso superwall:
Kind of like this the best out of her opening posts. Probably NAI though.
Townie tone, probably easy for Manasi to fake.
Snap response to dp101's opening is about the same as mine. Mindmeld.
Can be pocketing.
Manasi-Winston unlikely. Think Sooh-Manasi as a pair unlikely now that time has passed and I've thought about it more.
Manasi-novice possible but this may just be coincidence.
Manasi-crimbo unlikely.
Manasi-Csargo goating it up this game, if it were the case. Csargo moreso than Manasi. Unlikely to me.
Dunno about that Jowy read but I'll keep looking.
Manasi-dp unlikely.
Surprising reaction. Kinda iffy.
Manasi-Csargo possible if Csargo is scum somehow here. Strategy is to deliberately blow townies off the board with WIM?
I dunno I think Manasi'd be posting even more if that were the case. :shrug:
Manasi-sooh unlikely. Manasi not going to carry it with a d1 bus. Could be high risk distancing of a less active wolf, to get as much equity out of Sooh-slot as possible. I've done that before several times, it's probably the only reason I'm even tinfoiling this a little.
Manasi-Cuth unlikely.
Manasi-crimbo still looks unlikely.
Manasi-winston unlikely.
Not very comfortable with this post.
Manasi-Csargo showboating if scum together.
Manasi-Sooh can't be mutual bussing. Manasi slot was going for the town creds for bussing Sooh if Sooh-Manasi, I don't think you ever push Manasi back in such a situation. It's really bad if you somehow made it happen. You'll never explain how you lived through to final 3.
So, not pushing back on Manasi makes sense even if both are scum.
Don't think the team is Manasi-Sooh-Novice so I don't like this tinfoil. I think one at most between the two.
Sooh scummier between the two? Still need to look over Sooh again.
I think brain is tired, I'm not getting a lean one way or the other here.
Manasi should be a stronger town read from me, and it all feels like how cardboard tastes. Not sure if it's Manasi causing it, or my sucking at reading her.
I thought I completely blew away the Manasi town read last time and it was super pure. Not feeling that here.
This is normal for Manasi. Voting near end of day to explicitly lynch someone is how Manasi towns.
Don't like this post for reasons already stated. Manasi addressed it, just noting it for thoroughness.
Manasi-barto maybe? My reads would be pretty terrible to make this happen.
I think I've now mentioned Manasi's name more than anyone else ever has combined. It's frustrating me that I don't have a stronger lean. I should have one by now.
Feels true enough. I feel like Manasi-scum would be reacting to me by now, like someone swatting at a stinging bee.
I think town Manasi has me town and therefore I'm just invisible to her.
But of course.
Noted.
Hmm. I kind of want to sheep this.
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Manasi townish with mixed feelings, but I should be doing better at town-reading her. Feels like how I felt toward Zander when he was scum.
Manasi-scum makes a ton of people look amazing though. I think several folks are not scum with Manasi.
Don't feel great about pulling the trigger on that when I have a scummier novice and many more probable options.
Manasi-novice still not discounted.
Manasi-Fredwood unlikely, imo.
I feel like I'd be getting more pushback if Manasi-scum was correct. Maybe she's just good.
Fair.
This is also quite true.
Seems fine.
Sooh can post this thought as town easily.
Best way to find scum-sooh: treat her fairly, give her space to work, take her seriously, encourage her to engage. The more she gives you the more accurate the read. Even if you suspect Sooh, draw her out and see about the depth in her thought. She will not do well with unfair/unjust suspicions as town, and especially not being ignored. Will taint your read of her.
Looks like possible distancing, or novice just scum. I can't clear Manasi based on this even if novice flips scum.
Manasi-winston not likely still.
Not pushing Manasi hard enough to discount distancing.
Manasi-Csargo goatest team of all time probably doesn't let Csargo hang with vote switches to dp and hoping for a miracle.
Too goat if so. It's a nice tinfoil and gg if that's the solve. I'm going to stick with likelier and saner scenarios.
This is me tapping out. I lean town slightly on Manasi. I should be reading her much stronger townie though at this stage... but that might be my too high expectations of myself.
If she happened to be scum, look here for partner analysis. It spews too many people town I think, mafia will lose.
1. Winston-Manasi unlikely (Manasi: "Winston's entrance towny")
2. Manasi-novice possible (waiting for novice to "post himself clear" like Pokemon)
3. Manasi-crimson unlikely ("semi-wolf" read on Csnow)
4. "Manasi-Csargo goating it up this game, if it were the case. Csargo moreso than Manasi. Unlikely to me."
5. Manasi-dp unlikely (DP: "Manasi seems more forced than usual")
6. "Manasi-Csargo possible if Csargo is scum somehow here. Strategy is to deliberately blow townies off the board with WIM? I dunno I think Manasi'd be posting even more if that were the case."
7. "Manasi-sooh unlikely. Manasi not going to carry it with a d1 bus." (Manasi votes Sooh toward EOD1)
8. Manasi-Cuth unlikely. (Cuth rejected Manasi's Sooh-vote above)
9. Manasi-winston unlikely. (Winston shading Manasi for weak ISOs and cheap town credit)
10. Manasi-Csargo showboating if scum together. (Manasi "COMPLETELY not OK with Monty lynch", Csargo replies: "Monty def your scumbuddy huh. I see.")
11. "Manasi-Sooh can't be mutual bussing. Don't think the team is Manasi-Sooh-Novice so I don't like this tinfoil." (Sooh "pushing back" on Manasi's putative bus)
12. "Manasi-barto maybe? My reads would be pretty terrible to make this happen." (Manasi: "Where did Barto disappear")
13. "Manasi-novice still not discounted." (novice: "Yeah I would like to see Manasi's response to this." wrt Pizza evaluating Manasi's reads on Jowy as the least substantive and genuine)
14. Manasi-Fredwood unlikely, imo. (Fredwood: "My plan is to try to get a better read on nulls, primarily Manasi (though I have a feeling that might be a lost cause) and logic, which I think won't be.")
15. "Looks like possible distancing, or novice just scum. I can't clear Manasi based on this even if novice flips scum." (novice criticizes Manasi over Jowy conduct)
16. Manasi-winston not likely still. (Winston feels Manasi and Logic still feel scummy for not responding to his concerns nor showing independent towniness)
17. "[El Barto] Not pushing Manasi hard enough to discount distancing." (Barto: "Manasi is posting too much fluff. See post #858! ... Csargo-Manasi-Champ for trio of mafiosi?")
18. "Manasi-Csargo goatest team of all time probably doesn't let Csargo hang with vote switches to dp and hoping for a miracle. Too goat if so. It's a nice tinfoil and gg if that's the solve. I'm going to stick with likelier and saner scenarios." (re: Manasi and Csargo voting DP at EOD1)
Montmorency
06-28-2017, 23:37
So much rides on the question of whether we saw multiple scum wagons D3.
Laziness plus early eod means I've only skimmed the isos, but this is where I'm at:
Cuth
Sooh/Barto
Csargo/Fredwood/Monty
Logic/novice/DP101/autolycus
BSmith
Manasi
Manasi >> Bsmith >>> rest, could be scum hedging on the outcome especially if he expects a Dome between the two, but the center mass here is more revealing since it offers so much space to shift. I hope Winston can clarify his leans tonight.
That wasn't exactly what I was thinking.
My first reaction when I picked it up after the pizza lynch was that it was Manasi setting herself up for a future townread on scumbuddy novice.
On reflection, though, it could just as easily be Manasi setting herself up for a future scumread on townie novice.
(Or, if I must look outside my tunnel for a moment, I suppose it could be a genuine observation made without any nefarious intent.)
So is novice scum or what?
So, you changed your mind on sooh, based on the two things Cuth has had to say on the matter?
Initially, Cuth ponders about your your sooh vote, gives an opinion, to which you disagree. But then Cuth later votes for Bsmith, and now you jumping on Bsmith and are doubting sooh based on Cuth's word?
I'm very tempted to vote for you, Csargo.
A good observation by Logic, but what strikes me is that Csargo relied on Cuth's vote for his own, without reference to Fred's instigating case.
I'll bite. unvote; vote: Csargo
Why?
Looks opportunistic.
Because I am actually here for once and don't feel like being boring. No mistake, I will vote to save myself and go back to Manasi if I need to. I'm fine lynching there too.
I agree. Looks like more distancing or hedging.
Odds are I might be dead tomorrow for thunderdoming Manasi, so I must ask you to please move forward with the BSmith and Novice wagon idea.
Sorry for doubting you :(
Lynch BSmith and Novice first. Then look at who's left and be smart.
Sorry for doubting you :(
Aw.
I don't want to make you cry anymore, Csargo, but I wish you were clearer as town.
Aw.
I don't want to make you cry anymore, Csargo, but I wish you were clearer as town.
My post count clears me tbh. I'll have more time over the weekend, and you'll see. I've been messing around too much this game, so I'll be more serious going forward. Promise, I'll do ATPG proud.
El Barto
06-29-2017, 00:02
Okay anyway.
How the :daisy: are people reading Auto as town?
All two of his posts were him sheeping (now dead confirmed villagers) and doing ~nothing else to help himself.
He somehow had an independent scum read on DP who is so far down everyone's lists it's insane.
I'm just shocked he only has two relevant posts in the game.
How is this okay?
Vote: Auto
I don't know why.
Manasi - Grenadier
Oh, wait.
Boo-hoo-hoo.
My post count clears me tbh. This as a thought scares me, though I have the same sort of tell myself. I just don't usually direct people to look at it. Idk.
I don't know why.
Oh, wait.
Boo-hoo-hoo.
lol did she just clear Auto? That's genius.
Montmorency
06-29-2017, 00:19
Csargo, what do you think of Fredwood?
lol did she just clear Auto? That's genius.
Also per the multiple scum wagons theory, the voters who look best are the early Manasi voters, namely Barto (first to vote), auto, and more or less Winston (voted shortly after auto).
Of course Sooh is super clear forever as all have agreed.
Csargo, what do you think of Fredwood?
Also per the multiple scum wagons theory, the voters who look best are the early Manasi voters, namely Barto (first to vote), auto, and more or less Winston (voted shortly after auto).
Of course Sooh is super clear forever as all have agreed.
*nodnod*
El Barto
06-29-2017, 00:31
lol did she just clear Auto? That's genius.
I somehow cannot read the post I quoted as being an attempt at distancing. Manasi was too busy defending herself to defend her companions, and I also do not think she'd that brazenly single out a partner.
So, yes, the spew is probably in Autolycus' favour.
El Barto
06-29-2017, 00:35
Also on the spew from that post:
He somehow had an independent scum read on DP who is so far down everyone's lists it's insane.
Why, oh, why, would she cast doubts on the read on Dp101?
Cuthillius
06-29-2017, 00:39
nice
Cuthillius
06-29-2017, 00:41
i'm going to skim the thread again
later
Csargo, what do you think of Fredwood?
Also per the multiple scum wagons theory, the voters who look best are the early Manasi voters, namely Barto (first to vote), auto, and more or less Winston (voted shortly after auto).
Of course Sooh is super clear forever as all have agreed.
I'm not positive, but I still haven't seen enough to clear him in my eyes. Need to iso him though, because I've been skimming the thread the last day phase.
I somehow cannot read the post I quoted as being an attempt at distancing. Manasi was too busy defending herself to defend her companions, and I also do not think she'd that brazenly single out a partner.
So, yes, the spew is probably in Autolycus' favour.
Yeah, I think she was desperately trying to get someone else to swing at that point, and he was just the easiest one to go after.
Personally I don't think we should worry about Fred just yet. Clear out BSmith and Novice first. There should be at least one wolf among them.
Montmorency
06-29-2017, 01:01
I'm not positive, but I still haven't seen enough to clear him in my eyes. Need to iso him though, because I've been skimming the thread the last day phase.
It's just interesting that you voted BSmith following "Cuth", but Cuth voted because he was convinced by Fred's case on Bsmith.
This as a thought scares me, though I have the same sort of tell myself. I just don't usually direct people to look at it. Idk.
Well, I have no qualms about doing things that can be perceived as bad when I'm town, because I don't care. In order to survive you can't be too pure, or you'll end up like C_S. That's why my style is very abrasive as town. This is all pointless though, because WIFOM.
It's just interesting that you voted BSmith following "Cuth", but Cuth voted because he was convinced by Fred's case on Bsmith.
I was at work on my phone, I didn't see Fred's case. I don't even need to see it, because the sum total of BSmith's posts and vote D2 already make him look awful.
And I'm assuming it was some form of what I just said, because it's not that difficult to surmise.
El Barto
06-29-2017, 01:26
i'm going to skim the thread again
later
Sorry, do you mean that you're going to skim the thread sometime later, or are you just warning us that you'll dump a huge textwall right here?
Yeah, I think she was desperately trying to get someone else to swing at that point, and he was just the easiest one to go after.
He was highly unlikely to defend himself. Manasi got stuck in the mafia rut. After a few games of landing the same alignment you lose the edge.
Now, here's why I think we should lynch Novice tomorrow at all costs.
Personally I don't think we should worry about Fred just yet. Clear out BSmith and Novice first. There should be at least one wolf among them.
Day 2 was scheduled to end at :00.
At :57 the tally was tied at 5-5 between atpg and novice.
5 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood, novice)
5 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto, Csargo)
4 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes, crimson_snow)
1 Csargo (GeneralHankerchief)
1 El Barto (Csargo)
1 Sooh (Manasi)
(that's Zack's official tally on post #1353)
At :58, crimson_snow changes his vote.
Ugh.
Vote: Novice
This is mostly a protest mechanical vote because I am not wasting a lynch on a town read who could possibly die in the night from poison.
Which would leave us with
6 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto, Csargo, crimson_snow)
5 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood, novice)
3 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes)
Manasi is always complaining about how she has to cook and work and what-not and is always justified in randomly disappearing from the thread. Her vote this day is a ridiculous OMGUS.
Suddenly, at :58 she pretends to take offence at a post by atpg:
Sorry I'm a baller and you're not.LOL wtf
vote: pizza
And the day ends less than two minutes later with:
Official Tally as of #1362
----
Day 2 ends in: tunnel snakes rule
----
6 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood, novice, Manasi)
6 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto, Csargo, crimson_snow)
3 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes)
1 Csargo (GeneralHankerchief)
1 El Barto (Csargo)
----
Not Voting: n/a
Not Posting: autolycus
Ding, ding, ding!
Why, oh, why, would a human mafiosa risk break cover if both were town? Atpg is now a proven townie. Manasi is a proven scummo. Hmm-hmm.
To make it even more obvious, crimson_snow was confirmed town by the nightkill.
Out of the remaining players: autolycus - BSmith - Csargo - Cuthillius - Dp101 - El Barto - Fredwood - Logic - Montmorency - novice - Sooh - Winston Hughes
Autolycus is spewed as highly likely town. BSmith I don't like. Csargo might just be having his best D1 town game ever. Cuthillius might live for another day or two. Dp101 is not off the hook (see my comment above on Manasi attacking autolycus' suspicions on him when there was no need). El Barto is always scummy. Fredwood… hmmm, I don't know his meta well enough, I could give him a chance. Novice is dead meat. Sooh is practically cleared by in-thread behaviour. Winston is probably town.
https://images-gmi-pmc.edge-generalmills.com/554c0f09-bf8d-430d-943b-bd414adf6a5a.jpg
Here ya go, Barto.
El Barto
06-29-2017, 01:37
:on_sign:
I am trying to be a helpful townie and solve the game rather than only troll the mafia and blunder into them, so maybe everybody should run for cover.
It feels empowering.
Sorry, do you mean that you're going to skim the thread sometime later, or are you just warning us that you'll dump a huge textwall right here?
He was highly unlikely to defend himself. Manasi got stuck in the mafia rut. After a few games of landing the same alignment you lose the edge.
Now, here's why I think we should lynch Novice tomorrow at all costs.
Day 2 was scheduled to end at :00.
At :57 the tally was tied at 5-5 between atpg and novice.
5 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood, novice)
5 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto, Csargo)
4 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes, crimson_snow)
1 Csargo (GeneralHankerchief)
1 El Barto (Csargo)
1 Sooh (Manasi)
(that's Zack's official tally on post #1353)
At :58, crimson_snow changes his vote.
Which would leave us with
6 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency, El Barto, Csargo, crimson_snow)
5 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101, BSmith, Fredwood, novice)
3 Manasi (Sooh, novice, Winston Hughes)
Manasi is always complaining about how she has to cook and work and what-not and is always justified in randomly disappearing from the thread. Her vote this day is a ridiculous OMGUS.
Suddenly, at :58 she pretends to take offence at a post by atpg:
And the day ends less than two minutes later with:
Ding, ding, ding!
Why, oh, why, would a human mafiosa risk break cover if both were town? Atpg is now a proven townie. Manasi is a proven scummo. Hmm-hmm.
To make it even more obvious, crimson_snow was confirmed town by the nightkill.
Out of the remaining players: autolycus - BSmith - Csargo - Cuthillius - Dp101 - El Barto - Fredwood - Logic - Montmorency - novice - Sooh - Winston Hughes
Autolycus is spewed as highly likely town. BSmith I don't like. Csargo might just be having his best D1 town game ever. Cuthillius might live for another day or two. Dp101 is not off the hook (see my comment above on Manasi attacking autolycus' suspicions on him when there was no need). El Barto is always scummy. Fredwood… hmmm, I don't know his meta well enough, I could give him a chance. Novice is dead meat. Sooh is practically cleared by in-thread behaviour. Winston is probably town.
What did I do? Why don't you hate me like everyone else?
El Barto
06-29-2017, 01:45
What did I do? Why don't you hate me like everyone else?
Follow the same analysis you're quoting. At :57 you were voting for novice and kept it there even after crimson_snow and Manasi did their shenanigans.
I am on a roll. Everybody with me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0A6xF0mmA8
El Barto
06-29-2017, 01:47
I left out Monty and Logic. They both had their votes on novice at :57 and didn't flinch.
If novice is revealed as scum, which I expect, all six of us voting him at EOD2 are town.
If you got the motion…
Everybody in the house do the Bartman!
Everybody if you can do the bartman!
Fredwood
06-29-2017, 01:47
What did I do? Why don't you hate me like everyone else?
I think you're A-OK
https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2017/01/30/636213981650341782-1967057466_635952198269350197-2009403055_635952197115546542-557299790_2,%25252012.gif
Cuthillius
06-29-2017, 01:51
It's just interesting that you voted BSmith following "Cuth", but Cuth voted because he was convinced by Fred's case on Bsmith.
where do you get that impression
where do you get that impression
I was wondering the same thing. Monty trying to shade me hard. Interesting.
El Barto
06-29-2017, 02:44
Hey, mafiats, you lot are in deep, deep trouble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrEhqeo34-o
If I'm right, then yes, it was me and I did do it. You lot're in trouble… deep, deep trouble!
Trouble… deep, deep trouble!
Trouble… deep, deep trouble!
Trouble… deep, deep trouble!
If we have a vig or roleblocker novice is a prime target. Need I even say that?
Montmorency
06-29-2017, 02:47
where do you get that impression
Here
It's garbage the day ends in 3 hours. :daisy: this :daisy:
I don't feel great about novice, manasi, Sooh, or Bsmith. Maybe in the night I'll be able to catch up. Of those options Bsmith is the least helpful, so I'm going to go with Cuth here.
Vote:BSmith
...but you were previously voting for sooh...
What changed your mind there?
Cuth.
I was wondering the same thing. Monty trying to shade me hard. Interesting.
You were wondering? But you answered that question just now, so what were you wondering about?
I was at work on my phone, I didn't see Fred's case. I don't even need to see it, because the sum total of BSmith's posts and vote D2 already make him look awful.
Montmorency
06-29-2017, 02:48
Hey, mafiats, you lot are in deep, deep trouble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrEhqeo34-o
If I'm right, then yes, it was me and I did do it. You lot're in trouble… deep, deep trouble!
Trouble… deep, deep trouble!
Trouble… deep, deep trouble!
Trouble… deep, deep trouble!
If we have a vig or roleblocker novice is a prime target. Need I even say that?
I think BSmith may be the best vig at this point.
El Barto
06-29-2017, 02:56
I think BSmith may be the best vig at this point.
And clear the way for more spew from novice? Could be.
Here
You were wondering? But you answered that question just now, so what were you wondering about?
Why you thought Cuth was convinced by Fred's case? He didn't even mention it when he voted.
vote: bsmith
i feel like manasi/sooh could have one and novice could be one
but at the same time
i think smith's vote and subsequent explanation look worse
i
i really dunno right now
I thought that's what Cuth was talking about, and it's what I'm talking about. The only reason to assume that is because it came after Fred's post. Unless I'm missing something here.
Montmorency
06-29-2017, 03:12
Why you thought Cuth was convinced by Fred's case? He didn't even mention it when he voted.
I thought that's what Cuth was talking about, and it's what I'm talking about. The only reason to assume that is because it came after Fred's post. Unless I'm missing something here.
That is what I assumed, but OK. I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption though, more reasonable than scum clandestine coordination, which is itself more reasonable than outright crossposting IMO.
But you can never lose sight of Coincidence, I guess.
El Barto
06-29-2017, 03:16
The intensity of that EoD makes me think that scum was on the line.
Why would Dp101 post that? His vote was the second out of 6.
His vote clinched the Jowy lynch on D1.
He voted for atpg against novice (second out of 6 at EoD)
He voted for BSmith against Manasi. BSmith has been scummy enough to be a quality counterwaggon.
Also, as I've pointed out previously, Manasi defended him from a practically absent Autolycus. Her posting has been sloppy all game (nothing personal, lass, I know you'll be reading this).
FfoS: Dp101
My scummafia trio: Manasi (dead) | Novice (to be lynched on D2) | Dp101 as third member.
Now I'm off to read some posts in the last 100 since I logged off last night and I came back in today after the lynch. Manasi reads different once she's confirmed mafia.
El Barto
06-29-2017, 03:19
Re: N1, no kill. Somebody claimed to be bulletproof. Does anybody remember who that was? Links would be helpful.
That is what I assumed, but OK. I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption though, more reasonable than scum clandestine coordination, which is itself more reasonable than outright crossposting IMO.
But you can never lose sight of Coincidence, I guess.
I'm just not entirely sure what you're trying to argue tbh. Seems convoluted, and isn't very clear. Fredwood made a case that Cuth sheeped then I sheeped Cuth, but I should have sheeped Fredwood because he was the original, ergo I look bad because I sheeped Cuth. When the correct person I should have sheeped was Fredwood, but there's no evidence in the thread that Cuth sheeped Fredwood. Feels like you're just trying to build a narrative that makes me look bad for inane reasons.
Re: N1, no kill. Somebody claimed to be bulletproof. Does anybody remember who that was? Links would be helpful.
The guy who died N2, crimson_snow. I don't have links.
Montmorency
06-29-2017, 03:32
Why would Dp101 post that? His vote was the second out of 6.
His vote clinched the Jowy lynch on D1.
He voted for atpg against novice (second out of 6 at EoD)
He voted for BSmith against Manasi. BSmith has been scummy enough to be a quality counterwaggon.
Also, as I've pointed out previously, Manasi defended him from a practically absent Autolycus. Her posting has been sloppy all game (nothing personal, lass, I know you'll be reading this).
FfoS: Dp101
My scummafia trio: Manasi (dead) | Novice (to be lynched on D2) | Dp101 as third member.
Now I'm off to read some posts in the last 100 since I logged off last night and I came back in today after the lynch. Manasi reads different once she's confirmed mafia.
Jowy was a self-pres vote to be fair, and recall Pizza's comment on Manasi-Csargo crazy GOAT team for EOD1 DP votes.
I'm just not entirely sure what you're trying to argue tbh. Seems convoluted, and isn't very clear. Fredwood made a case that Cuth sheeped then I sheeped Cuth, but I should have sheeped Fredwood because he was the original, ergo I look bad because I sheeped Cuth. When the correct person I should have sheeped was Fredwood, but there's no evidence in the thread that Cuth sheeped Fredwood. Feels like you're just trying to build a narrative that makes me look bad for inane reasons.
Because it looks like distancing from Fred's case, when in some scenarios you and Fred could be scum partners.
Montmorency
06-29-2017, 03:43
Between Csargo and novice, I don't think the two could be partners based on D1 vote distribution (especially given the Jowy wagon looks to have been all town), but it is my impression that the two have tended to avoid each other. Is that wrong?
BSMITH-NOVICE WAGON ALIGNMENT ANALYSIS
I just want to summarize some of the thoughts I've put out tonight for D4. What have my theories been concerned with?
Manasi is scum. Cuth, Sooh, DP, and then Auto/Barto look good and don't fit easily into the potential teams we are looking at.
Of Logic Winston novice BSmith Csargo Fredwood let's say 3 remaining scum. I haven't wanted to think too hard in terms of Logic and Winston specifically, so for now leave them as wildcards. Look at the remaining 4, the wagon-candidates novice and Bsmith, and the two players Csargo & Fredwood, who are linked by the formation of the BSmith counter to Manasi D3 as well as having looked pretty town overall (but Csargo declining D3).
The crucial question has been, were BSmith and novice both scum wagons? Possibilities:
1. Novice is town and BSmith is town
In this case, Fredwood starting the Bsmith wagon and/or Csargo thirding it were meant to dilute the Manasi wagon and get someone other than Manasi lynched. Given the BSmith wagon progression, if either Csargo or Fredwood fli[s scum, the other is more likely to be scum. Not quite a package deal, but a significant factor. Winston could conceivably be a partner here, but Logic is more likely. So, most likely team Fred-Csargo-Logic(-Manasi). I don't really like this scenario among the options, and not just because Logic in turn tried to form a Csargo counterwagon EOD. This scenario then leaves open tinfoil on DP or Barto additionally, making it the most open-ended.
With the following scenarios, a vig on either novice or Bsmith (but especially BSmith) is enormously helpful.
2. Novice is town and BSmith is scum
In this case Fredwood and Csargo are essentially cleared, with over-points for Cuth and Sooh. Logic and I look worst. In this case Logic is almost certainly scum, and the third partner is a tinfoil among auto/DP/Barto/Winston. This scenario is potentially even more dangerous than one in which both wagons are town.
3. Novice is scum and BSmith is town
In this case, the Fredwood-Csargo connection and malicious formation of Bsmith wagon are reprised as considerations. The difference with Scenario 1 is that Fred and Csargo are even more likely to be paired, and Cuth/DP look worse while Logic may fit a bit less well as partner.
Overall, I give Bsmith a null, with a slight wolf lean. I don't think his little bit implicates anyone else, but I find it unlikely that he would talk to his teammates with only 5 posts, so if Bsmith is a wolf, I give Cuth and Csargo slightly better town leans.
4. The centerpiece: Novice is scum and BSmith is scum
This is my preferred scenario, because it preserves the people I have liked and makes for the simplest game. Here, Csargo and Fred are genuine townies just making another good case because no way scum compromise a third partner when two are already leading wagons. Assuming after Manasi-novice-BSmith are eliminated that there is one partner left, I would bet on auto just for lack of skin and for taking novice as still likely town D3.
Jowy was a self-pres vote to be fair, and recall Pizza's comment on Manasi-Csargo crazy GOAT team for EOD1 DP votes.
Because it looks like distancing from Fred's case, when in some scenarios you and Fred could be scum partners.
How does it make sense for me to vote Dp101 D1 in that situation?
Why would I distance from Fred's case, but vote with him? When I could have voted novice or just left my vote on Sooh. Are you saying my scum team is novice and Fred? How does that make sense?
El Barto
06-29-2017, 03:54
So I've decided to group together some interesting posts from these last 24 hours.
Manasi:
sup.
Leave me alone, Barto. I got the :daisy: done and then decided to relax for a second. I thought it'd be better if I let you guys know before because I knew I'd be working for like 20 hours straight.
Still a wagon feelsbadman.
5 PM EOD feelsbadman.
Prolly won't be around, mostly bc I'll probably just be coming home from work.
As for slight catch up...
Csargo is town.
I think novice is town. -- Yes, that means I think we had v/v/v wagons. I know that's unreasonable, just a gut read.
I feel like I'm not gonna be able to be very happy this game until we resolve Sooh, but that might be me just being stubborn.
El Barto dropping RAPIDLY. Would vote today or tomorrow.
Should be around for the rest of the day unless my other boss realizes he hasn't seen me in something around a week.
Oh yes, girl, I was completely onto you.
Oh. I forgot to give Cuth a town read!
wtf???
I think there have been two people in this game who have town read me.
Good work, you guys.
People just seem comfortable in their POE and I'm gonna be at work/in a car until EOD.
I do still think that people are just overlooking auto which really :daisy: bugs me.
I have maybe read one BSmith post but I'd go for them over me if it came to it.
I don't think Sooh has been posting better but I also don't think she's getting lynched in any world today so rip.
Sooh, what were the questions I didn't respond to?
Again with autolycus, what's with you, lass?
So, considers novice to be her town core, Csargo and Cuth are also town to dilute it.
Novice:
Welp, just seven hours left in the day?
I meant, were you really that sussed?
It was a crosspost.
Should also include post 1535:
Town:
novice
Not willing to lynch:
Cuthillius
Dp101
Winston Hughes
Don't think so:
Sooh
Fredwood
Willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
El Barto
Logic
Manasi
Montmorency
Strange coincidence - both novice and Manasi have Cuthillius as part of their town core. This is either very good shading or poor distancing/pocketing.
Let us remember that Cuthillius spearheaded the lynch of askthepizzaguy on D2. And that he also started the BSmith bandwaggon.
Also, your scum list is way too long. Can you sort out who are the more likely scums?Not so easy. Maybe:
Willing to lynch:
Manasi
Montmorency
More willing to lynch:
Csargo
El Barto
Even more willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Logic
But now, see, when novice's list is the centre of attention, he drops Cuthillius from it altogether. Best not to discuss him.
Good job, novice!
Yay, yay, yay, right?
tl; dr: spews Cuthillius as highly possible third partner.
BSmith:
...and now it looks like I am just popping in because I am being talked about, but in reality it is my first real break in the day from work. Oh well. Life happens.
As to me being directed, I can assure you that no such thing is happening. I’m calling it as I see it and like I said in retrospect my vote on ATPG looks bad and the timing is being construed negatively, but with the limited time I have to post in the day that is just how it played out. Take that how you will. I said before and I’ll say again, I’d vote ATPG again given the chance and the info I had at the time. If that earns me a lynch, then so be it.
But I don’t want to die today, so vote: Manasi.
Hmmm. Sounds a bit more like a misinformed townie than anything else. And he did vote Manasi.
Dp101 avec Montmorency:
I would not be opposed to a Csargo Cfd.
At :08 no less!
Vote: BSmith I'll explain why later, you just have to trust me for a bit.
Fredwood started the wagon. Cuth, Csargo 3rd.
Fine, since they're among my towniest, let's put their process to the test and see if they're not saving scum Manasi or novice.
Vote: BSmith
At :56 and :57!
I do not think Monty would be that clumsy. Dp101's doing what he can to save his scumsister.
Updated reads: novice is dead meat. If (when) he dies, test Cuthillius and Dp101.
Maybe there is a third party, maybe there isn't. We'll have to check on that.
fake edit: I'll check Montmorency's 1739.
Montmorency
06-29-2017, 03:57
Barto, at least for Cuth, how do you weigh his claim to have poisoned Pizza? You think this is the inverse of Manasi last game?
El Barto
06-29-2017, 04:02
Barto, at least for Cuth, how do you weigh his claim to have poisoned Pizza? You think this is the inverse of Manasi last game?
Good point! Manasi may well have gotten the idea off my attack on her that game and used it here to justify how one of them could be moving towards pizza if he was watched that night and then they could claim to have been trying to cure him. I'm still mulling it over.
While I read your "BSMITH-NOVICE WAGON ALIGNMENT ANALYSIS", did atpg ever say anything about the poisoning? Poison attacks, injuries and so forth have been a constant in the UFO games since the very first one, so it's presumable that Zack would have informed him of that so that he could seek an antidote/medikit.
Updated reads: novice is dead meat. If (when) he dies, test Cuthillius and Dp101.
:beam:
Montmorency
06-29-2017, 04:09
Good point! Manasi may well have gotten the idea off my attack on her that game and used it here to justify how one of them could be moving towards pizza if he was watched that night and then they could claim to have been trying to cure him. I'm still mulling it over.
While I read your "BSMITH-NOVICE WAGON ALIGNMENT ANALYSIS", did atpg ever say anything about the poisoning? Poison attacks, injuries and so forth have been a constant in the UFO games since the very first one, so it's presumable that Zack would have informed him of that so that he could seek an antidote/medikit.
AFAIK Pizza just said he was VTown and never received any notice of poisoning, that he felt Cuth was town but lolCuth.
Look up "lolCuth", gonna be out for a bit.
Csargo, respond to my alignments analysis, it addresses all your questions just now.
El Barto
06-29-2017, 04:16
AFAIK Pizza just said he was VTown and never received any notice of poisoning, that he felt Cuth was town but lolCuth.
Look up "lolCuth", gonna be out for a bit.
I'll try a few keyword searches.
Csargo, respond to my alignments analysis, it addresses all your questions just now.
The guy who died N2, crimson_snow. I don't have links.
This is very likely just me tinfoiling, but I think a scum is more likely to remember who was bulletproof than a townie. (At least, I had to look it up.)
What about it? I feel like one of us is confused here.
I was a 1-shot bulletproof, I'm almost positive I was the shot night one. I may or may not be the shot tonight.
FoS: Csargo
Without more research, I have novice and Csargo as likely wolves. If there is a 4th, I don't have a strong read yet.
I have sooh as my only confirmed town, but I feel a lot better about Monty than I did before Manasi's flip.
AFAIK Pizza just said he was VTown and never received any notice of poisoning, that he felt Cuth was town but lolCuth.
Look up "lolCuth", gonna be out for a bit.
Csargo, respond to my alignments analysis, it addresses all your questions just now.
You didn't respond to my first one though.
It's weird Manasi didn't vote to save herself, she was here EoD right?
You continue to put a huge amount of weight onto Fredwood's half a paragraph about BSmith, that amounts to exactly what everyone already knew about BSmith's behavior. Could all your hypotheticals be true? Sure they could, but this is conspiracy theory levels of connection that you're putting forward imo. You're pulling it out of nowhere as far as I can tell, outside of we voted together. There's more of a connection between Cuth/Dp than me and Fredwood. We need flips, plain and simple.
You've also subtracted 3 people from the equation, with little explanation as to why, other than they look good and don't fit together.
This is very likely just me tinfoiling, but I think a scum is more likely to remember who was bulletproof than a townie. (At least, I had to look it up.)
FoS: Csargo
Without more research, I have novice and Csargo as likely wolves. If there is a 4th, I don't have a strong read yet.
I have sooh as my only confirmed town, but I feel a lot better about Monty than I did before Manasi's flip.
Seriously, just remember his huge claim post. Do you not commit claims to memory as important? Also remember Cuth claiming to have poisoned ATPG. This is such a ridiculous statement.
This is very likely just me tinfoiling, but I think a scum is more likely to remember who was bulletproof than a townie. (At least, I had to look it up.)
FoS: Csargo
Without more research, I have novice and Csargo as likely wolves. If there is a 4th, I don't have a strong read yet.
I have sooh as my only confirmed town, but I feel a lot better about Monty than I did before Manasi's flip.
You also realize that I voted novice right?
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