The Megapolis

[komninos]

Yes I know
It is in fact one of the first questions in the Map request thread. A guy there answered yes but didn't say how ... have to dig it out. We will see. I know it can be done for castles … for normal mode … I don’t know.

At the moment I am working on bringing v.1.0 in to v.1.2 status with the units of DJ ... and some reuse of them for other units until he makes the rest of the list. At the moment I will try to get a 8 shaped shield in 3D to bring it to a new standard.

BTW.
flip take your time to learn the 3D modelling it is excellent and since you are quite good at normal graphics then you will excel trust me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[flip]

komninos,

Northern tribes ( Ilyrians, Thracians ... ) have british/german names. Can we get a more imersive fashion on this?

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Okt. 10 2003,13:16)]Yes I know
It is in fact one of the first questions in the Map request thread. A guy there answered yes but didn't say how ... have to dig it out. We will see. I know it can be done for castles … for normal mode … I don’t know.
Yeah, dig it out komninos http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif.
Maybe you could ask him with PM.
Hope that it really works.

I tried it by myshelf: There is written hilly, no river, and so on.
Seems that its random, but don´t hope so.

[flip]

komninos
Quote
Flip,
Can you pass that landmass a Sepia colour to make it look like and old map and a possibility to worn edges would put some atmosphere. I live it up to you. Excellent work
http://filipeabranches.250free.com/MTW/Maps/MapBurnTest.jpg
Something like this?

[Antalis::]

Hi: I´ve also made a campaignmap:

Lets put all campaignmaps we have made in the mod zips, so that we have a huge set of maps http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif :

komninos: The original map of the campaignmap.
flip: The brighter map and the sepia map.
And my version of the map:


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/MapTex56.jpg

[Marshal Murat]

So any new mod coming out, I hope we may include the sarissa with the Macedonians.

[komninos]

flip,
Exactly that ... Excellent
My problem with the northern tribes is I have no idea what there names were ... I only have seen one Skythan name "Astaharshes" or something.

There might be a solution to this ... in northern Greece there is a minority called Pomaks ... apparently they are what is left of the ancient Thracians ... the problem is that they have long been Muslim and most probably the use Arabic names http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif ... due to other misconceptions they are count as Turkish minority ... which males thinks even worse to finding anything about there past. Illyrians, Peoneans and Thracians most probably have common heritage and they were closely related ... I have to find also Lydian, Phrygian and Persian names ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

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Antalis::,

Good idea ... I will try to find an ancient Greek (or ancient Greek like) TTF so I can put the names on the areas on flips last map.
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Marshal Murat,

Yes sarissas are coming ... I am waiting for DJs pike Hoplites so I can built Yficratian Hoplites and Macedonian Phalangites.

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Okt. 12 2003,04:33)]===========================================================
Antalis::,

Good idea ... I will try to find an ancient Greek (or ancient Greek like) TTF so I can put the names on the areas on flips last map.
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Yes, but you didn´t understood me right:


We have 4 campaignmaps so far:
Your map, flips brighter map, his sepia style map and my map (look at the screenshot).


My suggestion is: Put all this campaignmaps in the new version of the mod, so that we have a wide variarity of campaignmaps to choose from.
Why only having one campaignmap to choose before installing?
I bet that some want the sepia style map, but others your campaignmap, or maybe the brighter map, maybe mine.


Why don´t let the player decide, which he wants to use when he installs the mod (many users, many sences of tastes of campaignmaps)?

[Antalis::]

A screenshot of my map "BYZANTHION", which will be in the new map-pack:
At the moment I´m working very hard on the m-pack.
So far I have 44 maps finished and several to make.


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/Byzanthion.jpg

[flip]

Great work Antalis.
Hope we can put them inside campaign.

[Antalis::]

Thank you flip http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

Yeah, I also hope so http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .

[Antalis::]

@barroca:

Could we make this thread a sticky? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Marshal Murat]

I was wondering with the charioteers, are they to be included here, or in another mod, because chariots were used by the Persians to some extent.

[komninos]

Hi all,

Chariots .... no there are no chariot bif ... after DJ finishes with the rest or if he likes to do it then fine with me.

The maps ... I will get them and pack them ... but at the moment I have no time even for the mod So if one can help with this one ... please ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I think I have found a way to do it but I have to test it a lot ... that might happen next week http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Cheers

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Okt. 14 2003,11:06)]The maps ... I will get them and pack them ... but at the moment I have no time even for the mod So if one can help with this one ... please ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I think I have found a way to do it but I have to test it a lot ... that might happen next week http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Cheers
Yeah, hope we´ll have sucess in this point.
Would be a pitty, if the maps are not fully included in the mod.



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[Krodarg]

Hey, sorry to bother you but I'm having trouble finding the files for your mod. I tried the links from a few pages back but the files are no longer there and I've looked in the files section of this site but no luck.

Just got VI so I'm looking forward to playing this mod. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

[flip]

Step by step learning Light Wave. This is just a Blast
As a first aproach I'm building a corinthian helmet. Hard job. DJ, i would like to change some ideas with you.
http://filipeabranches.250free.com/MTW/3D/Capture.jpg

[Antalis::]

Good job, flip http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif , you´re learning very fast to use a 3D-modelling programm.

[komninos]

Hi flip,

Good job ... but you have it way to big ... the poor guy can't turn his head. The Corinthian Helmet goes from the back of the head till just a bit lower than the chin so it leave the neck unprotected (the point of choice for the hoplites). I think you should talk to DJ ASAP ... no reason to reinvent the wheel here.
BTW you are using way to many vertices ... it will tack forever to render http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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Krodarg,
Apparently you are write ... I have lost it too. It was in the beta section but not now ... I will check with Barroca ... most probably I will have to reload it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Duke John]

Flip

Very good, now that I see that you have the right attitude, I'll tell you a secret: Keep it simple

Our ME:TW team has been strenghtened by another modeller and he's also making very detailed models. But you will lose alot of details when rendering. A eye is nothing more than a pixel. Komninos talked about the size of the helmet, well forget that, you won't be able to see the difference ingame. When making models for MTW keep it simple and keep checking the result by rendering it in the required format. You're not making models for full screen renderings, no, they're meant to represent tiny little soldiers in MTW. Here's my Hoplite, compare its simplicity with your overcomplex model:
http://chronicles.metw.net/hellinic/modelling.jpg

Next make sure that you follow this tutorial (http://www.newtek.com/products/lightwave/tutorials/modeling/surf-punk/index.html). You don't have to make the exact same model, but this tutorial almost contains everything that I am using. You should know how the UV-mapping proces works. Also download UV-imaginator which is a plug-in for LightWave (get the right version) to make new UV maps. This makes sense if you read the tutorial.

I didn't help you immediately since I first wanted you to explore LightWave before I talked about stuff that you wouldn't understand. I will create a filepack with my Hellinic models and all the necessary action scenes, ie walking, fighting, dying, etc.

After you have received these files, you only need to make a simple model, or if you're clever, adjust a model I made. Don't feel guilty or pride, if I were you adjust my models, they're optimised for the process You may spend hours and hours with the exact same result, or you may spend these hours creating 5 new units. Your choice.

Then you exit LW modeller and start LightWave, with which you create scenes. As said I already have created all the scenes, the only thing you need to do is save your model as model.lwo in a folder, open up a scene and hit "Render Scene" or press F10. Then open another scene untill you have done all the actions and angles required for a BIF. When you've reached this stage, I will tell you the next step, which is about using Wellingtons utility to process the rendered images. If you're this far you're 1 hour away from succesfully creating a new unit BIF

Good luck, Duke John

ps I will soon send a PM where you can download the models and scenes.

[komninos]

Hi DJ nice to hear form you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
I can only guess that you are up to the neck with other thinks ... but when do you expect the last of the hoplite units to come out? ... Sorry for the pressure here. But I really need them at this point.
Also there is a small error with the spear coordinates when attacking.

Cheers

[Rosacrux]

Komninos,

I have found some time recently (not much) to play a bit of MTW and I've tried to play the Hellenic mod. Would you be so kind and tell me when the next version comes out and if you are going to address the apparent lack of complete building lineup and solid techtree. Otherwise you - and the others involved - have done a really GREAT work. Many congrats. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Duke John]

Hey Komninos,

About the display of weapons. I've told before that I'm only delivering the unit graphics. I leave the correct placement of weapons and shields to others. Adjusting these "errors" requires only a bit of editing in Notepad. Yes, a boring job to do... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

About the other unitgraphics. Certainly not this weekend. I messed up some files and I have little time.

Cheers, Duke John

[komninos]

Hi Rosacrux, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

It's been some time ...
I am trying to finish up with the time frames then I will go to the buildings ... getting the tech tree down is a mess. Problem is that you should be able to build the hoplite units fast since these were the "only" units used by the Greeks at the time. The other problem is that I have made a tool to work out the building production file ... but it never worked 100% some but some place http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

DJ ... good luck with the files this week I will be on leave from work (rebuilding part of the house) but I hoped to have some time to get some work on HTW second part any way.
... as for me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif got to make them weapon points http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif so back to the training section for me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[flip]

Hi DJ,

Quote[/b] ]Very good, now that I see that you have the right attitude, I'll tell you a secret: Keep it simple
I already get the idea - reduced polygons.


Quote[/b] ]Next make sure that you follow this tutorial
I downloaded it. A simple good guide. I whant to learn about the UV-mapping. Thats the way to create the textures of the hoplite?


Quote[/b] ]Don't feel guilty or pride, if I were you adjust my models, they're optimised for the process You may spend hours and hours with the exact same result, or you may spend these hours creating 5 new units. Your choice.
No problem, I'l take the easy way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

A lot of thanks DJ. This is very entusiastic.

Are you guys using the last past? I dont see any advantages in using it. Also, dont wanna mess my present HTW install.

[Antalis::]

update:


66 maps are ready for the HTW-map pack.
8 more to make.


Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Antalis::]

Soon, I´ll release the "HTW_Map-Pack":
I guess in a few days http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

It will contain 75, maybe 76 maps.



Antalis::

[neogerry]

where can i download this mod?
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
i can´t seem to find it anywhere http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

any help?

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (neogerry @ Okt. 18 2003,22:53)]where can i download this mod?
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
i can´t seem to find it anywhere http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

any help?
Hi, I have uploaded it to the org: You can find the mod, packed in 7 zips, in the upload section:

http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/

[neogerry]

thanks Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Antalis::]

Search also this thread (I think at side 10) for the portraits and unit pieces to download http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif from flip.

[Antalis::]

About the map-pack:

It will definitly contains 76 maps.


btw.: "THERMOPYLAE" and "MARATHON" maps are updated.



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[komninos]

Hi,

Well the mod seems to have disapeared from the orgs downloads. I am trying to short this out ... most probably I will uploadit again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Antalis::
Keep up the good work the map patch will be great though I have to find a way to incororate it in the mod.

Cheers

[[DnC]]

After a bit of hassle I finally got it to work and I must say it looks GREAT so far And that's only the campaign map I've really seen

Good job to you people komninos, Antalis::, flip, Duke John, am I forgetting someone?
Off to start playing it

[Antalis::]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/Htw_map-pack26.jpg




soon: HTW-Map-pack

[flip]

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Interface//Load Screen6.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Interface//Load Screen7.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Interface//Load Screen8.jpg
Ok, I couldn't resist.To come...

[Scipio]

Wow thats an amazing feat. I havent played this mod for a bit but will prob download it today the next thing youve got to change the opening movie

[hellenes]

Quote[/b] (flip @ Oct. 21 2003,02:04)]http://filipeabranches.250free.com/MTW/Interface//Load Screen6.jpg
http://filipeabranches.250free.com/MTW/Interface//Load Screen7.jpg
http://filipeabranches.250free.com/MTW/Interface//Load Screen8.jpg
Ok, I couldn't resist.To come...
WOW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Maaan caaaaannt waitok im cool now and have one question: is it possible to change the mtw fonts so it would have greek style fonts lke the title? So it would be smth more close to the era..ive changed the northern tribes to muslim/monarchic and made the slaves population instead of pagans ,now in the mod any time you build a farm upgrade or a market (insead of merchants) the slave population will increase sometimes indandering a revolt so the more money you get the more slaves you need the more army you need to keep those slaves under control especially orthodox/oligarchic spartans btw i dont know wich symbol to make for the olygarchy? any thoughts?

[neogerry]

wow the mod is excellent, and that look really great, keep the good work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[komninos]

flip,
you can't keep a surprise for nothing ... I know ... me neither. Any way good work.

neogerry,
Did you find where is the mod placed now????

[Antalis::]

@flip:


Amazing,
beautiful, gorgeous
You did a fantastic job on this.


Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Antalis::]

The HTW_Map-Pack has arrieved:



http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/HTW_Map-Pack11.jpg

[Antalis::]

The HTW_Map-pack has been released http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif :


It contains 76 battlefieldmaps of ancient Greece and Asia-Minor.
In the 76 maps are several maps with battles of the Persianwars and Alexander the Great (also Chaironeia of his father).

The maps are:

ACHAIA
ACHAIA-PHTHIOTIS
AEGOSPOTAMOS
AETOLIA
ARGOLIS
ARKADIA
AVDERA
BITHYNIA
BYZANTION
CASTLE 1 (updated)
CHAIRONEA_BOEOTIA
CHALKIDIKE
CRETE_KYDONIA
CRETE_PHAISTOS
CYNURIA
CYZICUS
DACIA
DALMATIA
DELOS (North Cycl.)
EDONES
ELIMEA
ELIS
EPHESUS
EPIRUS
ESO MOESIA
EUBOEA
GAUGAMELA_ASSYRIA
GERMA
GORDION
GRANIKOS_TROAS
HALIKARNASSOS
ILLYRIA
ISSOS_KILIKIA
KAPPADOKIA
KARIA
KEPHALLENIA
KORKYRA (Korfu)
LESBOS
LYDIA
LYKIA
LYNCESTIS
MAGNESIA
MAKEDONIA_OLYMP (updated)
MARATHON_ATTIKA
MELITINE
MESSENIA
MILET
MOESIA
MYGDONIA
MYSIA
NAISSUS
NAXOS (South Cycl.)
NICAEA
PAMPHYLIA
PANNONIA
PAPHLAGONIA
PERGAMON
PHILIPPOPOLIS
PHOKIS
PHRYGIA
PISIDIA
PLATAEAE
RHODES
RHODOPE
SAMOS (Doris)
SCUPI
SERDICA
SILICY
SKYROS_SPORADES
SMYRNA
SOUTH MOESIA
SPARTA_LAKONIA
THASOS (North A. I.)
THERMOPYLAE v4
THESSALIA
ZAKYNTHOS




The historical battlefieldmaps are in special:


The Persianwars:

MARATHON_ATTIKA
THERMOPYLAE v4
PLATAEAE



Alexander the Great:

ISSOS_KILIKIA
GRANIKOS_TROAS
GAUGAMELA_ASSYRIA



Phillip II:

CHAIRONEA_BOEOTIA


These maps are built to represent real existing landscapes.






You can get the HTW_Map-Pack packed in three zips:
"HTW_Map-Pack.zip"
"HTW_Map-Pack_Mapimages1" and "HTW_Map-Pack_Mapimages2"

at:

HTW_map-pack (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_Map-Pack.zip)

HTW_map-pack mapimages 1 (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_Map-Pack_Mapimages1.zip)

HTW_map-pack mapimages 2 (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_Map-Pack_Mapimages2.zip)




I hope you enjoy them.



Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Antalis::]

Hi, do you remember the modified campaignmap, I´ve made?


I´ve uploaded it to the org.

You can find it in the uploadssection.



Antalis::

[flip]

Nice work Antalis, I think its easy to choose the right TERRAIN , because when we slide the options just one have a panoramic picture.

[Antalis::]

Here are the pictures:


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/Maps1_4.jpg


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/Maps2_2.jpg


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/Maps3_2.jpg

[Antalis::]

If you want to see the pictures in a better resolution or they don´t working because of the limit of my bandwitgh:

I have uploaded the three overview pictures of all maps with a better resolution:

You could download the images directly with this link:


the 3 pictures with a better resolution (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_pictures.zip)



Antalis::

[Antalis::]

95% of the maps are made with the help of pictures of real landscapes.
So if you play Lykia: This landscape really exists.
Sure I used artistic freedom, but the character of the landscape was my target I wanted to reach.


I made also three landscapes, which don´t have a province in the mod (because of theire small size and Silicy is out of the camp.maps area):
SILICY
MAGNESIA
ARKADIA

I don´t know, if you had recognised it: Silicy is a battlefieldmap with the Aetna, which I tried to built.

[komninos]

Hi all,

First of all I found where the files have been moved and updated the links to the mod files. Go to the Mod Descriptions thread (it is a sticky).

Antalis::
Excellent work ... now I have to find how to introduce them in the game but I am half way there. I think next stop for you is the MTTM tool http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Hellenes
Good idea but what ever you do don't change to Muslim but heretics I have used Muslim as the eastern faction and you might get strange rebellions of Greeks in Lydian army types

BTW
I have taken a lot of attention to make rebellions that use more than just light javeliners and archers what do you get as rebelling armies?

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Okt. 23 2003,09:18)]

Antalis::
Excellent work ... now I have to find how to introduce them in the game but I am half way there. I think next stop for you is the MTTM tool http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Maybe, I don´t know.
Take the maps as they are, I don´t know if I´ll change them (time and 3D modelling skills are not very big at the moment).

[Rosacrux]

Komninos, filarako

When are you going to complete the building lineup? That's precisely what I am waiting for to play the mod (now I've got some time to do so).

[komninos]

Hi Rosacrux,

... hmm http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif at present the problem is that with the Build_prod file I have no working tool to work with. These files are not to be done by hand and I though I had a tool apparently it dose not work well I also have to see what changes were made to the VI files http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif I will try to do something and along with flip have a nice set of buildings and icons for you but ... don't hold your breath

[hellenes]

Quote[/b] (komninos @ Oct. 23 2003,15:38)]Hi Rosacrux,

... hmm http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif at present the problem is that with the Build_prod file I have no working tool to work with. These files are not to be done by hand and I though I had a tool apparently it dose not work well I also have to see what changes were made to the VI files http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif I will try to do something and along with flip have a nice set of buildings and icons for you but ... don't hold your breath
Patrioti http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
The gnome editor will save youIt can edit any prod file from 1.0 to 2.01
hope that helps...

[komninos]

Hi Hellenes,
I hate Gnome editor ... I have seen it before but it simply let you edit the values ... not calculations are done, no checking for the validity of the values, you can't use it for a uniform unit creation ... it is just an editor ... a good one but just that. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

The good news is that last night I found what was wrong with my tool so no I have to pass all the info of the VI build prod, generate a valid file and I will take it from there. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[dessa14]

whats wrong with editing the files manually i prefer it that way at least im doing the work, not someone else's program it may take longer sometimes but other times it is more sure (at least for me it is) to do it manually and you don't depend on something to do the work for you.
thanks dessa

[Antalis::]

Here is a picture of my modified campaignmap:


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/MapTex6.jpg


You can download it in the uploadsection.


modified campmap (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_modified_campaignmap.zip)



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[komninos]

Hi dessa14,

Well ... first I would like to comment on your signature ... I would not mind if I had an MTW in open source I would then wipe out the Windows partition. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
With that said ... less get back to the subject ...

The editors give you the ability to change values but these values are not in a unified format i.e. you go and change a specific units attack. This can be OK but it will bring great imbalances ... anyway you get some you lose some.
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Now ... I am very pleased at the moment ... after singing the Dirladada (means nothing in Greek but it is a fun song) of 30min now and dancing around like a creased man like I have promised my self I am happy to announce that my tool for buildings is working 100% now. This means I can alter, add or delete buildings at weal from the file with minimum effort http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

What is next ... I will try to add two new buildings for Muslim and fix some stuff in it. If that works too I will proceed to build a tech tree. The main idea under that it will be to get the units you need ASAP. Most of the latter build up will be done to increase your income from trade and other activities. Now these buildings will increase the number of slaves "heretics" in the city. So you will need cultural buildings to counter that.

If all goes well I will try to make totally new buildings but we can always alter the existing ones http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Antalis::]

EMISSARY-PORTRAIT-PACK:


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/HTW_Emissarry_portrait-pack3.jpg


I´ve made an emissaries portrait pack: It contains 60 new portraits for emissaries.
Its built with the pearls of the ancient greek world: Sokrates, Platon, Aristotle, Homer, Euripides, Aischylos, Sophokles, Aristophanes, Heraklit, Archimedes, Herodot and and and.....

Its built with portraits of philosophers, writers, scientists.


You get it in the uploadsection:

HTW_Emissaries_Portrait_pack (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_Emissary-portrait_pack.zip)



Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Antalis::]

HTW_Princess-Portrait-Pack:


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/HTW_princess-portrait-p2.jpg



This is a new portrait pack with portraits of princesses:
It contains 52 portraits.



You get it at:

Princess-Portrait-Pack (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_Princess_Portrait-Pack.zip)




Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[flip]

Antalis, nice work, I was thinking on that but I struggled with the lack of resources, firts of alll for the princesses. Why did you make the emissaries in black and white?

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (flip @ Okt. 25 2003,09:06)]Antalis, nice work, I was thinking on that but I struggled with the lack of resources, firts of alll for the princesses. Why did you make the emissaries in black and white?
It was a technical reason, but I think it fits quite well with scientists, writers and philosophers.

[hellenes]

Antalis how bout the figures of the emissaries/assasins/spies? Ive searched the web but i havent found anything in colour (only white statues) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
any ideas/links?

hellenes

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (hellenes @ Okt. 25 2003,11:30)]Antalis how bout the figures of the emissaries/assasins/spies? Ive searched the web but i havent found anything in colour (only white statues) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
any ideas/links?

hellenes
I don´t think that you´ll find coloured statues.
2500 years ago they (all?) were coloured but the colour is gone and many statues we have are roman copies.
If you´ll find coloured statues, than the colour was reconstructed.

[Antalis::]

HTW_KINGS-Portait-Pack:


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/HTW_kings2.jpg


This portrait pack contains portraits for kings:

26 portraits are in the pack.


You get it here:

HTW_Kings-Portrait-Pack (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_Kings_Portrait_Pack.zip)




Edit: I´ve forgotten to write in the readme, that you must delete all portraits of kings in campmap/Portraits/Hellenic/Catholic/King and in the campmap/Portraits/Hellenic/Muslim/King folder before copying the new portaits in this folders.



Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[flip]

Antalis, did you know the portraits pack I released?
Heres the thread
Org (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=8096;st=200)

MTW ancient units (http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/index.htm)
http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/Portraits/Portraits.jpg

[Antalis::]

Yeah, I know your portraits pack, its great.
Its for generals, so I thought I make emissaries, princesses and kings http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[flip]

Antalis, you did a huge work, I dont get how the game pik those portraits, aleatory, I gess. My self used the generals for the kings, and there is some flexibility here.
Mabe if you put just 5 portraits inside a folder, no problem. I tried not to mix potery pics with sculpture pics. Thats why I had a problem to find pics for princesses. We need Komninos advice here, to get a standart Portraits folders configuration. Because we need also some guys for the Norther Tribes, and Oriental ones.
But, great work, I'm using your files.

[Antalis::]

Yes the northern tribes and oriental states are a problem.
There are so less pictures in the net.


If you use the kings portraits in classical time than the portraits are right: Athen has Perikles, Sparta Leonidas, Macedonia Alex. t. GR., but in the other periods, all messed up.

[Antalis::]

I´ve also made an Assassin and a Spy-portrait pack.

I´ll upload it tomorrow.


btw.: I tried to implementate a few prince-portraits, but they never was showen, only general pics.
Have prince portraits no function?

[flip]

I found that also, princes dont apear.

[Antalis::]

@flip:

Yeah, thats strange.
Why this affort of CA of putting dutzens of portraits when the princes portraits are useless?
I´ll upload only a small prince pack, not many portraits because of this reason.
But I think its not nessasary.



Antalis::

[Antalis::]

HTW_Spy, Assassin and Prince Portrait - Pack:


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/ephesus7.jpg

[Antalis::]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/a-port-p2.jpg


59 new portraits for spies, assassins and princes.



You can get it at:

HTW_spy, assassin and princees portrait pack (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_Spy-Assassin_and_Prince-Portrait-Pack.zip)



Antalis::

[komninos]

Hi all,

A good source for portraits can be the archaic "Kuri" and "Kores". Kuri were statues of yang men and Kores of yang women. They are excellent of anonymous portraits and there are quite a few of them.

For the barbarians it is nearly impossible to get anything check the Skythans. For the Lydian, Phrygian, and Persian we can use mostly the Persian and Lydian wall carvings.

[hellenes]

Quote[/b] (flip @ Oct. 10 2003,22:31)]komninos
Quote
Flip,
Can you pass that landmass a Sepia colour to make it look like and old map and a possibility to worn edges would put some atmosphere. I live it up to you. Excellent work
http://filipeabranches.250free.com/MTW/Maps/MapBurnTest.jpg
Something like this?
Flip could you send me this map?It would be really appreceated cause i want to experiment with some fonts fo region names on the map.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Thanks in advance..
hellenes

[Marshal Murat]

Hey, wondering about any recent news, like how far is the new mod, or further? Can't wait to see thouse Sarissas in action?

[flip]

http://filipeabranches.250free.com/MTW/Maps/MapBurnTest.jpg
You may get this map here. Just the big one, you'll have to duplicate it for the Low Res map.
Camp Map HTW (http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/Maps/MapBurn2.zip)
Hellenes, nice idea, mabe we will need that kind of map for the mod. Can you show the result after?

[hellenes]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif flip thanks man of course ill present it and upload it if i manage smth functional http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif .However i also have another question: there was a set of buildings (for review panel) for the patrician mod if we could get those they were very good an iirc barocca had provided them...

[komninos]

Hi all,

Since Marshal Murat asks I will give you something on where we are. The Persian was units are almost there and most parts too. But due to resent developments (DJs units) and other the development was brought to a holt. In time I will have something to show you.

[flip]

Hellenes, I was looking to the Patrician review panel buildings. I have the mod, great one. The buildings are nice, but they are almost roman. I'm thinking in a way to produce new greek style icons, but Komninos has a word on this also.

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Okt. 26 2003,11:13)]For the barbarians it is nearly impossible to get anything check the Skythans. For the Lydian, Phrygian, and Persian we can use mostly the Persian and Lydian wall carvings.
So, do you also have scythians in the new version, komninos?
I´m asking, because I have some (not many) images found to use for them.

[komninos]

Hi flip, Hellenes,

Reinventing the wheel is not my game but if quality is what we would like to have ... we have to do it all over again. flip check what buildings can be used and what are totally roman. At the moment I have managed to make a new building prod file. But slowly I will have new buildings and castle sequences there.

===========================================================

I have stumbled on a CA bug ... when you define a new map "Hellenic" and you make a directory "Hellenic" with specific maps it works OK. BUT if you have more than one campaign files like we have ... then in single combat it replicates the files one for every campaign file. So if you put castle maps in that folder you end up with n times the number of maps that you had. So I have taken the decision to totally wipe the MTW files for the Ancient mods.

Antalis::,
I will try to get the maps in the game but can you make a series of maps for castles by transforming the existing ones. The series I will follow will be given to in a few days. It will be on Dark Age / Islamic and South European scenery.

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Okt. 28 2003,03:58)]

Antalis::,
I will try to get the maps in the game but can you make a series of maps for castles by transforming the existing ones. The series I will follow will be given to in a few days. It will be on Dark Age / Islamic and South European scenery.

Very much work and not much time.

But, ok, I´ll try it, but I have very less time.
It could take quite long, hopfully not.

How many castleseries should I make?

[Antalis::]

Maybe you´re pleased to hear, that I´ve took the time and already have some castleseries ready.
Its faster to make a castle then I thougt.
But not many landscapes have the abillity for a castle.
Not tested yet, but I think that they´ll function ok.

[Antalis::]

I built 3 castle levels: From fort, Keep to Castle with all upgrades.
I know that the castle level is not in the HTW included, but maybe komninos could add it, if its possible.

Most are southern european, but I also have dark age and islamic.
Also if you change the architecture and terrain with the startpos txt. then you have several more castles, like CA did.

[Antalis::]

8 series of castles are finished and tested.

Should I make more?


I definitly will not make panoramic pictures.
The Ultimate paint 2 (my try and buy version) is not working any more (this software was recomandet to make them).
So if you want to have this pictures, then I hope that someone of you´ll make them.


Antalis::

[Antalis::]

I checked the Battle-folder: CA made 12 different castle series.
Looks more, if you play them.
The possibility to define them as arid, temperate, lush, dark age european, southern european, eastern european, islamic, dark age multiplizised this 12.
So you could make very many different castle maps.
I have 9.



@komninos:

Whats with the skythans?
If I use my skythan images for the Tracians its not right or is it?

[komninos]

Hi Antalis::,

I will check them ASAP. Have you seen the ones I sent you last night?
==================

Kimmerian or Skythian were steppe tribes living in modern Ukraine. At there high they occupied from north of Danube in modern Bulgaria, Rumania till the Caspian Sea. They mast be related to the Germanic tribes that later rolled over the Roman Empire and most probably o the Huns. They put a lot of pressure to the Thracians in the north, they destroyed the Phrygians in the east and the Persians had trouble with them.
They were used as mercenary forces in both Greek and Persian Armies. They were excellent archers, light troops and cavalry forces. They had excellent relations with the Greeks enjoying the wine and the gold from trade. They were also excellent in Gold craft.
During the Persian wars the Skyth’s that were in Greece refused to take part in battle and remained as city guards while the Greek armies went to the front. The reason was that many Skyth’s were in Persian service and they will not fight brothers. Most probably they plaid safe fearing the Greeks will lose big time.

[Antalis::]

hi komninos, I saw your e-mail yet.


I´ll rework ´my castles again to build the acropolis style.


greetings:


Antalis::


btw: I´m also working on a new portrait pack.
A few tracian pictures, quite many persian (also usable for lydians and phrygians) portraits.

[Antalis::]

I have transformed 10 maps into castle maps and built 3 absolutly new maps for castles.
Maybe I transform one more map.


Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[hellenes]

Ive found in this http://www.leftzed.com/lotr/viewtopic.php?t=332
ME_TW forum thread that there going to be a utility that would allow us to make own modelsJust imagine Temples and other buildings for the fortyfied cities...

[Antalis::]

I recogniced that my names should be different, so that you could play them in the campaign.
I´ll correct them as soon as possible.


I saw that some bugs are in the castles.
Please don´t use them.
I´ll try to correct them.
Sorry i was too fast to release the new castle pack.


Hmm, I have a strange bug in two (hilly06 and hilly 05) of the castles: The attackertroops are also in the castle.
Maybe I have to wipp this two castles out of the castle pack. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Antalis::]

I´ve renamed them and now you could use them in the campaignmap http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .

Also I fixed a major bug and a minor one.
I decided to wipp one map out.


You can espect the new version soon.

[komninos]

Hi Hellenes,

Yes there is a utility like that it is called MTTM ... If you are interested check the sticky on this forum from Welly.

Hi Antalis,
The numbering of the castel maps should go like this
01_01_00,01_01_01,01_02_00,01_02_01,01_03_00, ... up to 01_05_00 for now and finaly we might get a 01_05_01 as final upgrade. They go in steps of two.

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Okt. 31 2003,03:18)]Hi Hellenes,

Yes there is a utility like that it is called MTTM ... If you are interested check the sticky on this forum from Welly.

Hi Antalis,
The numbering of the castel maps should go like this
01_01_00,01_01_01,01_02_00,01_02_01,01_03_00, ... up to 01_05_00 for now and finaly we might get a 01_05_01 as final upgrade. They go in steps of two.
Hi komninos:

Not exact right: It goes 01_1_0, 01_1_1, 01_1_2, 01_2_0, 01_2_1, 01_2_2, 01_3_0, 01_3_1, 01_3_2, ...

(But maybe the "0" doesn´t matter).


For example: castleflat01_2_1

01= castle-mapseries 1
2 = keep (second level of castle)
1 = first upgrade in level 2 (0 means no upgrade).


I´ve made 3 levels of castles, with each 2 upgrades: So that one mapseries has 9 maps.
From 01_1_0 to 01_3_2

[komninos]

Hi Antalis::,

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ... oh well ... that is true ... now ...
But The one that defines that is the one doing the TXT files http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif and since I plan for 5 groups with 1 upgrade for each map ... but yes till the I finalise the building and tech tree this is true

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Okt. 31 2003,12:29)]Hi Antalis::,

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ... oh well ... that is true ... now ...
But The one that defines that is the one doing the TXT files http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif and since I plan for 5 groups with 1 upgrade for each map ... but yes till the I finalise the building and tech tree this is true
hehe, lol, yeah you´re right http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Antalis::]

HTW-Lydian/Phrygian and Northtribes portrait pack:


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/darius-I.jpg


New portraits for phrygians, lydians (and persians).
Also some portraits of kings and princesses for the Northtribs.

Also 4 assassin portraits with a better resolution for the greeks.



You can get it at the uploadsection:

Phrygians/Lydians/Persians (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_Lydian-Phrygian_portrait_pack.zip)

Northtribes/Greek portrait assassin update (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_Northtribs-portraits_and_greek-portrait-update.zip)



Antalis::

[Shogun 144]

Hello,



This looks like a great mod http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I can not download it however on any of the links in this thread or in Duke John's mod thread. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif Could someone please post links to download. Please help me I really want to play this mod

[Antalis::]

You can get it in the uploadsection.
Its splittet in several files:


http://www.totalwar.org/Downloa....ap2.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/TEST_HTW-v1_Campmap2.zip)
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloa....ain.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/TEST_HTW-v1_main.zip)
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloa....map.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/TEST_HTW-v1_textures-map.zip)
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloa....en1.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/TEST_HTW-v1_textures-men1.zip)
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloa....en2.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/TEST_HTW-v1_textures-men2.zip)
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloa....en3.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/TEST_HTW-v1_textures-men3.zip)
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloa....ap1.zip (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/TEST_HTW-v1_Campmap1.zip)

Don´t forget to download also the portraits, pieces, castle maps and landscapes.
You find the links in this thread.


Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Shogun 144]

Thanks Antalis.

[Antalis::]

Maybe you wonder, why all the threads with the castlemaps are gone, were I anounced the links with new versions.
It´s because the versions of the castle pack became too many (sorry).

I don´t like certain insects (bugs): I don´t want to hear now: "Hey why do you release it so fast".
I know this.
You know it´s not easy to be sure, if there is not a single bug in about more then 100 castle maps.

I have to say, I have found new bugs (not major ones).
I believed that I´ve fixed all, but ... .


So I´ll release a 4. version of the new castle pack, with all new bugfixes.
This is hopefully the last version http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif .


So don´t download this files below:

"HTW_castle_pack.zip"

"HTW_new-castle-map-pack-2.zip"
"HTW_new-castle-map-pack_1.zip"

"HTW_v2-of-the-new-castle-map_pack_1.zip"
"HTW_v2-of-the-new-castles-map-pack_2.zip"

[Antalis::]

VERSION IV and I´m quite sure the final release of the castle pack:



This version 4 of the castle pack contains 12 series of castles for HTW.

You could use them also in the campaign (also in MTW if you like).
They have 3 levels of castles, with each two upgrades.
So one castle series has 9 maps.
So 108 maps.



You get it at (and don´t use the versions before this version 4):


v4 of the castle pack 1 (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_v4-castle-pack_1.zip)

v4 of the castle pack 2 (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_v4-castle-pack-2.zip)




Antalis::

[Marshal Murat]

Hey Antilis just downloaded the maps, and with Thermoplaye, it is now closer to the water, however the true pass was above the tide on a ridge.
hey whens the new HTW mod coming out?

[Marshal Murat]

Hey Antilis just downloaded the maps, and with Thermoplaye, it is now closer to the water, however the true pass was above the tide on a ridge.
hey whens the new HTW mod coming out? I mean with the sarissa, can't wait to skiew some Persians, and Indus Elephant

[Eastside Character]

Hey Hellenic Total War crew, I've got an idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif You could add some mythical beasts to your mod. Minotaurs, Gryphons, Harpies and others. There could be also sth like God unit, appearing only in religious rebellions (or political - as you have that system). Anyway I think that would be a really cool thing. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif What do you think about it? I hope you like the idea. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif And I'm serious about that.

[Marshal Murat]

Yea, Minotaurs battering though Persians, Centaurs shooting down enemy, but that should be for another mod.

[Shogun 144]

Well I for one would not play this mod if Greek Mythology apeared. Please keep it historical.

[komninos]

Hi Eastside Character,

The mod is a historical one so these things will not be there ... and don't worry the Persian armies though vast they are thin in armour, shields and spears facing the Phalanx is more than a challenge

But it looks like you have not followed all my mods ... try to search for Trojan Wars ... One of the ideas was to build gods and special hero units ... all single man units that would be able to tear apart entire units
=========================================================
On other news the building list is almost ready ... and the techtree. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif ... back in testing fase

[komninos]

Hi all,

Well good news ... the Buildings are ready after some minor problems ... I have play tested them and they work fine. The problem is that now the Tech tree is more complicated than ever and I have to go though the units and find out what looks good and what doesn't. As I have it, it takes forever to build some hoplites if you start from 0 so I will try to make some scaling.

I have done the changes to the new part of the mod so I have to port the changes to the old part of the mod, and then work on the buildings for different periods (this will take some time). After all is well I will relish a beta of the now V.2 ... this is going to be a big download (since DJs units will be in it). After we get it all worked out the final will be available to public with 3 new time periods to cover the Persian, Peloponnesian wars and the Rise of Macedon ... the final chapter of HTW.

===========================================================

BTW … DJ when can I expect the final images for the hoplites … sorry for the pressure but have to know so I can take them into consideration too.

[Antalis::]

Sounds good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Antalis::]

I have fixed a small problem with the lakes at Naxos.
And added a better roadtexture to Cyzicus.


You find the update to the map pack at:

Map pack update (http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mtw_Uploads/MTWupload/HTW_map-pack-update.zip)

[Antalis::]

@komninos:


Any news on the implementation of the landscapes?
Did you have sucess?

And did you have solved the problem with the dead bodys (they didn´t lieing around, they disapeared)?

Could you post images of the persians?

[komninos]

Hi Antalis,

Well ... I have focused at the moment on the building / tech tree. BTW you are on my Beta tester list since you have to make sure the castle maps play with it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I promise I will try to find a way to get those maps working in game. ... I think we have pushed MTW to the edge ... I had some CTD last might with no apparent reason http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif

Any way I will keep on working with it ... There are some surprises for all of you with the new tech tree. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

As I understand it we need a new DeadPageCoords file ... I will try to get it some time soon. For Sariza / Persians screens you will have to wait a bit longer though ready I am dealing with other things too. (like writing a moding guide "Form nothing - to a campaign")

[Antalis::]

If its impossible to add the landscapes to specific provinces: An other possibility would be to rename them, like in the startpos.txt and make them randomly like CA did.
It would be a pitty, but without them it would be more a pitty.

[Paxx]

Help patriotea
help a greek man try this mod, I cant download any of these files:
error 404 page not found
that's what i get
hlp plzzzz http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (Paxx @ Nov. 05 2003,03:31)]Help patriotea
help a greek man try this mod, I cant download any of these files:
error 404 page not found
that's what i get
hlp plzzzz http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
They disapeared from the uploadcenter.
I guess TosaInu will upload them to 3D downloads.

[Paxx]

Quote[/b] (Antalis:: @ Nov. 05 2003,05:46)]They disapeared from the uploadcenter.
I guess TosaInu will upload them to 3D downloads.
could you PLEASE upload them somewhere else so I can try it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (Paxx @ Nov. 05 2003,03:53)]
Zitat[/b] (Antalis:: @ Nov. 05 2003,05:46)]They disapeared from the uploadcenter.
I guess TosaInu will upload them to 3D downloads.
could you PLEASE upload them somewhere else so I can try it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
Wait a day or two.
It will certenly in the 3D dowloadsection then.
When it is I will update the downloadlinks.

[Paxx]

thx anyway
I would apreciate if someone could upload these files so we can have them untill someone uploads them here http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (Paxx @ Nov. 05 2003,04:14)]thx anyway
I would apreciate if someone could upload these files so we can have them untill someone uploads them here http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
I would, believe me, but I don´t know where to upload them except the uploadcenter and then they would be doubled.

[Paxx]

what size are we talking about? you could mail them to me( I guess?)

[komninos]

Paxx,

No way your mail can take it ... we are talking ~14MB in 7 zip files ... and with all the stuff Antalis and flip added the number goes way too high. And that ... with out adding the stuff from DJ

I have found a place so there is a good chance that the next time we are going to have a single zip file with all in it. But till then I have to get the V.2.0 ready.

[Paxx]

You better hurry then, I cant wait trying your mod

komninos check your msn messenger
thx

[hellenes]

I am involved in an attembt of localising MTW VI 2.01
in greek now the main problem are the fonts wich i tried to change in the tga files BUT once im cone with editing a blurr area appears around the letters and if i try them in the game it CTD http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
now komninos told me that flip has changed his fonts so im asking is there any way to achieve it?

Any help would be appreceated.

Hellenes

ps komnine forgive me for using your thread but the old one http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....t=12409 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=12409)
had dousen of visits but almost no replies so i hope that flip sees it here http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[flip]

Hellenes,
I tweeked a little the fonts, not edited the tgas, that will be a huge work with no satisfatory results. The idea was to pik a diferent style font, not the Medieval style default. That is a important tip for moders, to give a better atmosfere for classic ancient mods. So Il post later a step by step guide for all. But you will get allways a english text.

Komninos, its up to you to post here the pics with the results that I send you.

[Antalis::]

Yeah, please post them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[komninos]

Hi all,

Well here are the images sent from flip.

http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/fonts1.jpg

http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/fonts2.jpg

http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/fonts3.jpg

========================================================

On other news ... I am on final debugging of the files for the V.2.0 of the original. Some crushing bug still exists some place and some fiddling has to be done with some values to bring balance.
So I would expect the first Beta of V.2.0 to be out by next week. Many things will change till the first V.2.0 mostly in the feeling of the game and its graphics that Antalis and flip are working on.

[Paxx]

next week? cant wait http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
may I ask this must be on viking invasion? or simple medieval is enough?

[Antalis::]

Excellent work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


@Paxx:

Yes, you need VI.

[Hagbard la Suede]

Does the mod work with 2.0.1?

[Antalis::]

The version 1.0 is uploaded to the downloadcenter:

You get the v 1.0 (v 2.0 is comming soon) with many things to add to v 1.0 at the files section at:


The HTW-mod v 1.0 from komninos (also with my modified campaignmap, choose which campm. you like to use) (http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/MTW/Stats/Hellenic_Total_War_mod.zip)

landscapes and castle maps (http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/MTW/Maps/HTW_MapPack.zip)

portraits (http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/MTW/Stats/HTW_Portraits.zip)

map-pack update (http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt/MTW/Maps/HTW_map-pack-update.zip)



The pieces, general-portraits and the 2 campaignmaps from flip:

pieces (http://filipeabranches.250free.com/MTW/Pieces/Pieces.zip)

general portraits 1 (http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/Portraits/Portraits1.zip)

general portraits 2 (http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/Portraits/Portraits2.zip)

general portraits 3 (http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/Portraits/Portraits3.zip)

flips brighter-campaignmap (http://filipeabranches.250free.com/MTW/Maps/Maps.zip)

sepia style map (http://filipeabranches.250free.com//MTW/Maps/MapBurn2.zip)


Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[komninos]

In the name of Athena Antalis,

Did you pack the MTW in a single zip file? That is great news if true for the people that have problems with the installation. Any way I found a big web space from a friend and the v.2.0 will come on a single file.

Any way I still have a problem with v.2.0 (for some reason the if you select Thracians or Peoneans the game crushes ????) so a beta will be out soon for the gifted beta testers / moders to find what on earth is causing me such grief. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif .
BTW the V.2.0 will have two new factions ... Peoneans (northern barbarians) and Persians ... I think you all know these ones http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif . Many things have to be done though for the final release ...

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Nov. 10 2003,02:00)]In the name of Athena Antalis,

Did you pack the MTW in a single zip file? That is great news if true for the people that have problems with the installation. Any way I found a big web space from a friend and the v.2.0 will come on a single file.

Any way I still have a problem with v.2.0 (for some reason the if you select Thracians or Peoneans the game crushes ????) so a beta will be out soon for the gifted beta testers / moders to find what on earth is causing me such grief. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif .
BTW the V.2.0 will have two new factions ... Peoneans (northern barbarians) and Persians ... I think you all know these ones http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif . Many things have to be done though for the final release ...
In the name of Artemis komninos http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif :


I didn´t upload it, I updated only the links and collected them here.
The mod comes in several zips.
The important thing is to install v 1.0 first and add then the other things like the portraits.


If you have problems to install the v 1.0 go to:

at the end of side 9 at this thread is a guide to install the v 1.0 (without the added stuff) (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=8096;st=200)


If you don´t like to install several zips, then wait till
v 2.0 comes out. There will be only one zip to install.

[Hagbard la Suede]

The game crashes when i have selected a faction and press continue.
It just freezes,any ideas?

[komninos]

Hagbard la Suede,

From experience the main problems comes with the map image. In the Textures\campmap there should be a folder Hellenic ... in that folder there are two JPG images. You have to open them with ACDSee and save them as TGAs If you do it with PsP then it will not work

If that does not work ... please give more info on where the crushes occur.

[ShadesPanther]

Komimos that is the bug because I used Infranview a while ago after i reformatted my pc and it happened but when i installed and used photoshop it worked fine http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[Hagbard la Suede]

Hmm,i just changed the file ending from jpg to tga,should that work?

[Mr.Scary ClanMan]

Hi i just installed your mod the 1.0 version u posted here.Everything works fine i can play custom battles with all the units and everything,but when i try to play on the campaign map i choose a faction then it just drops to windows any ideas??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Mr.Scary ClanMan]

Oh and i dont own no paint shop pro or whatever and im no tech head so if u say i need to change the file name or whatever could u tell me how to http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Antalis::]

Use IrfanView to change the 2 jpgs (MapTex.jpg and MapTex2.jpg) into tga´s: I tried it and for me it worked fine.


You find it at: IrfanView (http://www.tucows.com/preview/194967.html)

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (Hagbard la Suede @ Nov. 10 2003,15:23)]Hmm,i just changed the file ending from jpg to tga,should that work?
No, that doesn´t work.

You need a grafik programm like IrfanView (look the link above) to change it to tga (TGA = Truevision Targa).

[Mr.Scary ClanMan]

Hey thanks alot man thats the second time u helped me out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .But one small problem .I no what files u mean i just dont no how to change them into tga's even with the programme u told me to use.Could u tell me how to http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Antalis::]

Open the MapTex.jpg with IrfanView and go to "File", then to "Save as" and choose "TGA - Truevision Targa", and save it.
Do the same with MapTex2.jpg.

[Mr.Scary ClanMan]

I managed to change them into tga images but the same problem as before.I have stored them in this folder c:\program Files\Total War\Medieval-Total War\campmap\Hellenic.Have i stored them right?The problem im getting is when i choose new campaign i select difficulty then i get to campaign screen.There is writing there and the three ages u need but no picture of the map itself,and when i click on an age it just goes back to desktop.I can play with all the units and everything in custom battle but nothing else.Any ideas again.I must be boring you now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (Mr.Scary ClanMan @ Nov. 10 2003,17:27)]I managed to change them into tga images but the same problem as before.I have stored them in this folder c:\program Files\Total War\Medieval-Total War\campmap\Hellenic.Have i stored them right?The problem im getting is when i choose new campaign i select difficulty then i get to campaign screen.There is writing there and the three ages u need but no picture of the map itself,and when i click on an age it just goes back to desktop.I can play with all the units and everything in custom battle but nothing else.Any ideas again.I must be boring you now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Yes I know what you have done wrong:

You have to put all files of the "TEST_HTW_v1_textures-map.zip" into your: c:\program Files\Total War\Medieval-Total War\Textures\campmap\Hellenic folder.
Then change like I told before the two jps into tga´s.

I hope that HTW works then, because you have extracted the HTW_TEST_v1_textures-map.zip into the false folder before.
If not: Install MTW+VI again and extract the campaignmap-files in the right folder

[komninos]

Hi all,

Please ... when you try to install the mod ... read the Readme.txt file ... it actualy has a reason for being there

[flip]

Hi all,
I can see the need of a self install mod.
The work of changing the aspect of the game to a Hellenic atmosfere is time consuming. But all going fine, you'll be atonished with final result. I'm packing all, as files get finished, step by step, to a MTW folder structure. When time comes, Komninos, for the release, I'll put the material in a server.

Is Troy campaign contempled in version 2.0? Because my changes may also afect that.

[Rosacrux]

Lord Plistarhos, Komnine? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Extremely good work, folks. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

I am really looking forward playing the HTW when v.2.0 is out. Take your time and squash da bags, polish the thing as good as can be, add all the stuff and only then release it.

This should be a truly Hellenic Total War experience

May I, once again, ask for a complete building-tech tree? I feel the overall playing experience extremely poor without that addition

[Marshal Murat]

So the new HTW pack on Mizu and such is the new improved version to download, or is it all the original files downloaded into one?

[Sir Moody]

well as to the people having problems installing this mod i have some good news and some bad news

i have made an installer (the good news) that works

unfortunatly its 100 mb's (the bad) - the problem is the portraits they take up a massive proportion of the installer

if i cut the portraits and ask people to copy the Viking ones over then the installer is just 10 mg http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[komninos]

Oh well Rosacrux,

I tried to find names of that period ... it is really a mind bending experience since most modern names are heavily affected by Roman / Christian / Germanic names of the late period so though Dimitrios is a valid name but I can't say the same for the period ... on the other hand Georgios ... is most probably of the later period (Roman) and other like Xristoforos, Xristos, Anastasios ... are Christian ... The really Greek names have mostly eclipsed in modern days. Well if you can make a list of names http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif also for women ... we also need names for the Northern tribes and Phrygians, Lydians, Persians .... any good ideas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

One your question ... YES ... since the building list is modable now you will have it in the V.2.0 ... the V.2.0 standard came about by the completion of the building tool that made it possible http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Marshal Murat, The V.1.0 is the last official release of the mod the V.2.0 standards is only in my PC and on the drawing boards.

Sir Moody, ... did you convert the TGAs in to JPGs in the installer? ... The images take up a lot of space I know but 100MB ... is out of the question ... with V.2.0 at 60% we will have new buildings around I will need to put the thing on CD for you to have it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

flip, when ever I get too match of the HTW I turn to the Trojan mod ... this happened last night so all I did was make an Achilles, Aias Telamonios and Hector units. All these are single man units that can take entire units single handed. They also have some strange abilities ... ie Achilles has near cavalry speeds (according to the legend). In the following test the units didn’t prove them selves a lot ... Achilles and Aias Telamonios were pitted against 9 units (3 Trojan inf, 3 northern war-band, 3 tribal), they eliminated 1 Trojan Inf. And 1 northern war-band, rooted 2 tribal but were eliminated ... well they killed ~300 men in a tag team fight What I will do is make a new projectile stats file for Trojan war. The mod will not get to V.2.0 since there is no empire building involved but I will probably ship its units with HTW V.2.0. They use common stuff any way.

[Mr.Scary ClanMan]

Thanks alot Antalis it works perfectly now.I appreciate u taking the time to reply to my messages,thats 3 times you helped me now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Antalis::]

no problem Mr.Scary ClanMan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Rosacrux]

Quote[/b] (komninos @ Nov. 11 2003,07:51)]Oh well Rosacrux,

I tried to find names of that period ... it is really a mind bending experience since most modern names are heavily affected by Roman / Christian / Germanic names of the late period so though Dimitrios is a valid name but I can't say the same for the period ... on the other hand Georgios ... is most probably of the later period (Roman) and other like Xristoforos, Xristos, Anastasios ... are Christian ... The really Greek names have mostly eclipsed in modern days. Well if you can make a list of names http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif also for women ... we also need names for the Northern tribes and Phrygians, Lydians, Persians .... any good ideas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

One your question ... YES ... since the building list is modable now you will have it in the V.2.0 ... the V.2.0 standard came about by the completion of the building tool that made it possible http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Hehe... you sneaky one, you... ok, I am going to add some Greek names here... from the top of my head. Let's see...

Aristarchos
Anaximandros
Anaxagoras
Anaximenes
Aias
Phoebos
Pericles
Aristoteles
Alexandros
Isidoros
Patroklos
Aeschylos
Alkaeos
Androkles
Agathokles
Antigonos
Antipatros
Appolinaris
Apollodoros
Archelaos
Archimedes
Archipos
Philippos
Philopimin
Philodoros
Aristedes
Aristomachos
Aristodoros
Kallias
Kleisthenes
Dionysios
Epictetos
Efkleides
Evripides
Evmelios
Evmenios
Hermolaos
Hermokrates
Hippodoros

...I can give you a thousand more if you like. Women names:

Alkisti
Iokasti
Efthalia
Evmenia
Efterpe
Kleopatra
Apollonia
Andiopi
Thekla
Theano
Thespis
Themis
Kallisto
Kallikrati
Lyssistrati
Phaedra
Aphrodite
Hera
Pamphilia
Phryne
Sappho
Sophronia

For Lydian Phrygian etc. I don't know didly... but I am sure some Googling might produce wonders http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Rosacrux]

Ok, a few more, then I have to work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Agathon
Hippias
Kleon
Timaeos
Sosigenes
Sophronios
Timolaos
Timoleon
Xenophon
Xenokrates
Thiron
Theofilaktos
Kleomenes
Agamemnon
Odysseas
Athenodoros
Sostrates
Thales
Themistokles
Alkibiades
Klearchos

…and women

Xenovia
Timothea
Xanthippi
Daphne
Olympias
Kalliopi

[Antalis::]

Wow, that are many names http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .
Good work Rosacrux.

[Duke John]

I'm unstoppable

I don't know when I release the files, but right now I've finished Greek cavalry, Macedonian cavalry and infantry. Please don't ask me to send the files. It always takes some time to collect everything and I would much rather create new units then time after time zipping everything once I've created another unit.

Just let me work on this, when it's finished you will get it.

Cheers, Duke John

[Antalis::]

Sounds really good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Do you also plan to make some persians and barbarian (for the Tracians, Illyrians) units?

[komninos]

Rosacrux yes I am a sneaky little bustard ... well it goes with the territory ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
some questions though
Theofilaktos and Timothea sound very Christian names from the Byzantine era ....
Also ... did they use name of Gods? and Great Heros like Aphrodite and Hera or Agamemnon and Odysseas???
One more thing Pamphilia was the name of the Amazon Queen that fought with the Trojans ... would they use a name like that ... would it be better to use it for the Phrigians?

===========================================================

Duke John,
Can you male them to me so I can work on them (insert them in the game and build the coordinate files)

[flip]

Progress report:
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/pieces3.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/pieces4.jpg

[dessa14]

when do expect it done rough estimation like 4 days - 1 or 2 months
thanks dessa

[Antalis::]

@flip:


That looks very very good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I saw that you´ve added an image for the buildings-menue, do you also have or will you do images for the list of the buildings when you choose them to build?


Antalis::

[Rosacrux]

It looks better every time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Well, Theofilaktos might be indeed byzantine, but not Timothea (Τιμώ + Θε&#940http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif which is ancient Greek. Pamphilia is a genuin Greek name, even though they used it for a "Barbarian" princess. You might used it or not, according to your taste. You can replace Theofilaktos with Timon or Timias, and also add Solon, Sosistratos and Sosilaos, Kletos, Amyndas, Ariston, Aristodoros, Idomeneas, Hipparchos... damned, there are so many.

[flip]

Quote[/b] ]I saw that you´ve added an image for the buildings-menue, do you also have or will you do images for the list of the buildings when you choose them to build?

Antalis

I'll try that, it depends also of final list for the buildings

[Antalis::]

@flip:

Yeah try it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif



@komninos

I am just currious:

Could you give a list of the buildings?

[komninos]

Hi all,

Here is the final building list ... we need to rename them though (this will be a long post so read it though)
BTW --- for better understanding copy them to an Excel file
Building Type---Num----Culture
CASTLE 10
MUSTER_FIELD 1
BOWYER 5
BLACKSMITH 2
ARMOURER 4
METALSMITH 4
MERCHANT 5
INN 1
TAVERN 4
BROTHEL 4
ROYAL_PALACE 3 "CATHOLIC"
ROYAL_HALL 1
ROYAL_MINT 1
COURT_OF_LAW 1
ROYAL_ARMOURY 1
IMPROVED_FARMLAND 4
HORSE_BREEDER 4
ROYAL_COURT 4 "MUSLIM, ORTHODOX"
CHURCH 3 "CATHOLIC, ORTHODOX, MUSLIM"
ABBEY 1 "CATHOLIC, ORTHODOX"
CATHEDRAL 1 "CATHOLIC, ORTHODOX"
WATCH_TOWERS 2
PORT 1
SHIPYARD 5
COPPER_MINE 2
SILVER_MINE 2
GOLD_MINE 2
SALT_MINE 2
PAGAN_SHRINE 2 "PAGAN"
MOSQUE 1 "MUSLIM"
GRAND_MOSQUE 1 "MUSLIM"
SPEARMAKER 3
===========================================
Upgrade matrix
CASTLE
MUSTER_FIELD
BOWYER MUSTER_FIELD
BLACKSMITH
ARMOURER CASTLE
METALSMITH CASTLE
MERCHANT CASTLE
INN TAVERN BROTHEL
TAVERN CASTLE
BROTHEL CASTLE
ROYAL_PALACE CASTLE MUSTER_FIELD MERCHANT
ROYAL_HALL CASTLE5 ROYAL_PALACE2 or CASTLE5 ROYAL_COURT2
ROYAL_MINT CASTLE7 ROYAL_PALACE3 or CASTLE7 ROYAL_COURT3
COURT_OF_LAW CASTLE5 ROYAL_PALACE2 or CASTLE5 ROYAL_COURT2
ROYAL_ARMOURY CASTLE7 ROYAL_PALACE3 or CASTLE7 ROYAL_COURT3
IMPROVED_FARMLAND
HORSE_BREEDER BLACKSMITH MUSTER_FIELD CASTLE
ROYAL_COURT CASTLE
CHURCH
ABBEY CASTLE5 CHURCH3
CATHEDRAL CASTLE9 CHURCH3
WATCH_TOWERS
PORT
SHIPYARD CASTLE PORT
COPPER_MINE CASTLE
SILVER_MINE CASTLE
GOLD_MINE CASTLE
SALT_MINE CASTLE
PAGAN_SHRINE
MOSQUE CASTLE5 CHURCH3
GRAND_MOSQUE CASTLE9 MOSQUE
SPEARMAKER CASTLE3 BLACKSMITH
"======================================================="
CASTLE2 CASTLE

BOWYER2 BOWYER CASTLE
BLACKSMITH2 BLACKSMITH CASTLE3
ARMOURER2 ARMOURER CASTLE3
METALSMITH2 METALSMITH CASTLE3
MERCHANT2 MERCHANT CASTLE3
TAVERN2 TAVERN CASTLE3
BROTHEL2 BROTHEL CASTLE3
ROYAL_PALACE2 ROYAL_PALACE CASTLE3
IMPROVED_FARMLAND2 IMPROVED_FARMLAND
HORSE_BREEDER2 HORSE_BREEDER CASTLE3
ROYAL_COURT2 ROYAL_COURT CASTLE3 BLACKSMITH
CHURCH2 CHURCH CASTLE3
WATCH_TOWERS2 WATCH_TOWERS CASTLE
SHIPYARD2 SHIPYARD CASTLE3 PORT
COPPER_MINE2 COPPER_MINE CASTLE5
SILVER_MINE2 SILVER_MINE CASTLE5
GOLD_MINE2 GOLD_MINE CASTLE5
SALT_MINE2 SALT_MINE CASTLE5
PAGAN_SHRINE2 PAGAN_SHRINE
SPEARMAKER2 SPEARMAKER CASTLE5 BLACKSMITH2
"======================================================="
CASTLE3 CASTLE2 or CASTLE
BOWYER3 BOWYER2 CASTLE3 BLACKSMITH2
ARMOURER3 ARMOURER2 CASTLE5
METALSMITH3 METALSMITH2 CASTLE5
MERCHANT3 MERCHANT2 CASTLE5
TAVERN3 TAVERN2 CASTLE5 INN
BROTHEL3 BROTHEL2 CASTLE5 INN
ROYAL_PALACE3 ROYAL_PALACE2 CASTLE5
IMPROVED_FARMLAND3 IMPROVED_FARMLAND2
HORSE_BREEDER3 HORSE_BREEDER2 CASTLE5 SPEARMAKER2
ROYAL_COURT3 ROYAL_COURT2 CASTLE5
CHURCH3 CHURCH2 CASTLE5
SHIPYARD3 SHIPYARD2 CASTLE5 PORT
SPEARMAKER3 SPEARMAKER2 CASTLE7
"======================================================="
CASTLE4 CASTLE3
BOWYER4 BOWYER3 CASTLE5
ARMOURER4 ARMOURER3 CASTLE7
METALSMITH4 METALSMITH3 CASTLE7
MERCHANT4 MERCHANT3 CASTLE7
TAVERN4 TAVERN3 CASTLE7
BROTHEL4 BROTHEL3 CASTLE7
IMPROVED_FARMLAND4 IMPROVED_FARMLAND3
HORSE_BREEDER4 HORSE_BREEDER3 CASTLE7
ROYAL_COURT4 ROYAL_COURT3 CASTLE7
SHIPYARD4 SHIPYARD3 CASTLE7 PORT
"======================================================="
CASTLE5 CASTLE4 ROYAL_PALACE2 or CASTLE3 ROYAL_COURT2 or CASTLE3 ROYAL_PALACE2 or CASTLE4 ROYAL_COURT2
BOWYER5 BOWYER4 CASTLE7 METALSMITH2
MERCHANT5 MERCHANT4 CASTLE9
SHIPYARD5 SHIPYARD4 CASTLE9 PORT
"======================================================="
CASTLE6 CASTLE5
"======================================================="
CASTLE7 CASTLE6 or CASTLE5
"======================================================="
CASTLE8 CASTLE7
"======================================================="
CASTLE9 CASTLE8 or CASTLE7
"======================================================="
CASTLE10 CASTLE9
"======================================================="
The dependances of the units ....
Archers {BOWYER2}
IllirianAUX {MUSTER_FIELD}
LydianHVYInf "{BLACKSMITH2, SPEARMAKER}"
IllirianRaiders {BLACKSMITH}
IllirianRaiderCav "{HORSE_BREEDER, BLACKSMITH}"
LydianInf {BLACKSMITH2}
LydianRoyalGuard "{ROYAL_ARMOURY, HORSE_BREEDER3, SPEARMAKER2}"
LydianCavalry "{ROYAL_MINT, HORSE_BREEDER2, SPEARMAKER2}"
Toxote {BOWYER3}
DA_Hoplites "{ARMOURER2, SPEARMAKER2}"
Polemiste "{ARMOURER, SPEARMAKER}"
CL_Hoplites "{ARMOURER2, SPEARMAKER, BLACKSMITH2}"
Akondistes {MUSTER_FIELD}
LT_Archers {BOWYER2}
LT_Javelin {BOWYER}
DA_Hypies "{HORSE_BREEDER2, ARMOURER, SPEARMAKER}"
LT_Slingers {BOWYER}
Slingers {BOWYER}
Jav_Hypies {HORSE_BREEDER}
Spartans "{ARMOURER2, SPEARMAKER, BLACKSMITH2}"
Skirites {MUSTER_FIELD}
Peltasts {MUSTER_FIELD}
Thessalian_cavalry "{HORSE_BREEDER2, ARMOURER, SPEARMAKER}"
Medium_cavalry "{HORSE_BREEDER2, ARMOURER, SPEARMAKER}"
Lydian_Archer "{BOWYER3, BLACKSMITH2, ROYAL_MINT}"
Cretan_Archer {BOWYER3}
ThrasianCav_CL "{HORSE_BREEDER, SPEARMAKER}"
ThrasianCav_DA "{HORSE_BREEDER, SPEARMAKER}"
ThrasianPelt {MUSTER_FIELD}
ThrasianThur {BLACKSMITH}
ThrasianSp "{ARMOURER, SPEARMAKER, BLACKSMITH2}"
IllirianSp "{ARMOURER, SPEARMAKER, BLACKSMITH2}"
Thebian_Band "{ARMOURER2, SPEARMAKER, BLACKSMITH2}"
PhrigianSp "{ARMOURER, SPEARMAKER, BLACKSMITH2}"
PhrigianAux {MUSTER_FIELD}
PhrigianCav "{HORSE_BREEDER, SPEARMAKER}"
PhrigianArchers "{BOWYER3, BLACKSMITH, ROYAL_MINT}"
SkythanArchers
Skyth_wbnd
RodianSlingers {ROYAL_PALACE}
Ath_Hoplites "{ARMOURER2, SPEARMAKER, BLACKSMITH2}"
Arg_Hoplites "{ARMOURER2, SPEARMAKER, BLACKSMITH2}"

[Antalis::]

Yeah that´s a good list http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


The church and cathedral, also the mosque needs an other name, that´s right.
Maybe name the church temple, (and for the cathedral?: maybe Temple of Artemis?, one of the 7 wonders of the world. This temple was huge.).

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (dessa14 @ Nov. 13 2003,00:26)]when do expect it done rough estimation like 4 days - 1 or 2 months
thanks dessa
It´s very difficult to say when v 2.0 will be finished.
A week ago I would have said: in a few days, but since Duke John makes more new units, komninos defines them and flip are also trying new things, I have to say: I don´t know.
I guess in two weeks, but I don´t know.

[Marshal Murat]

Church=Local Shrine
Cathedral=Temple to the Gods
Mosque=Persian Temple
Ribat=Zoaroasit temple
Chapter House=Oracle of Delphi
Grand Mosque=Great Temple
Also with the new Macedonian units and all, will you be making a new and improved map of Phonicia, Greece, Egypt, Persia, etc.?

[komninos]

Hi,

One more point ... those that demand slaves have a negative effect on faith while others have positive.
Also the Pagan tribes can go more than Castle4.

Now we have to fit those and some more to the Greek World. This means to find a way to do these:
Palestra -> Gymnasio (Gymnasium) -> Stadio (Stadium)
Church is common for all except the Pagans so
Holy Ground -> Vomos -> Monopteros (front line of columns)
the Abbey will be
Amfipteros (front & back line of columns)
Cathedral will be
Peripteros (like the Acropolis)
There might be one more
Stadium and Peripteros will give you the large Temple complex (like Olympia, Delphy, Delos, ...)
One of the palaces will be Asclipiio (hospital)

I have to short this out ... many things are Generic with the Eastern and Northern Civs so we have to be careful.

[Antalis::]

That are great news, what Duke John has written in a colloseum thread (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=19;t=12740):


"You won't have to wait as long as for R:TW but it will be possible in the near future. A few weeks ago I posted my first Hoplite model and I have steadily making progress. I have now finished:
- Hoplite: spear and sword
- Spartan Hoplite: spear and sword
- Greek cavalry: spear and sword
- Skirmisher: archers and peltasts
- Macedonian infantry: sword, spear and pike
- Macedonian cavalry: spear and sword

Soon I will add:
- Armoured hoplite
- Persian infantry
- Persian cavalry



here are some new screenshots":
http://chronicles.metw.net/images/screenshots/MTWBattle4.jpg
http://chronicles.metw.net/images/screenshots/MTWBattle3.jpg
http://chronicles.metw.net/images/screenshots/MTWBattle5.jpg

- Cheers, Duke John

[Duke John]

At the moment I'm working on a campaign map. Either you can use it, or I will use it for my own version of Ancient: Total War. It's a bit different from Komninos' map though and certainly not compatible.

Right now I'm making the coastlines and I will add the provinces names and sea boundaries.

Here are some screenshots:
http://chronicles.metw.net/hellinic/campmap01.jpg
http://chronicles.metw.net/hellinic/campmap02.jpg
http://chronicles.metw.net/hellinic/campmap03.jpg

- Cheers, Duke John

[komninos]

DJ,

Are you also making the coordinates for the movement? It does look that way ... they are much better than mine
Some things to note
Light Cav
For all cav ... charge with spear fight with sword
There were very fue that managed to have archer cav at this time ... Persians did ... they used the Iranians for it and also the Skythans. So for Persian cav build the Kings Guards.
=================================
On the map ... I think that if you make more or less the same divisions and the end result gives the same provinces at the same place ... then they might become compatible though all the map files will have to be changed
BTW ... a very nice map ... where did you get it?

[Duke John]

I made the map. It takes alot of hours, but it now has the same look as the MTW ones. I think it was worth the trouble as your satellite map didn't had the parchment look that I like.

There will be less provinces on this map. Alot of Thracia and Northern macedonia has been cut off, since I don't think that those provinces are needed, their large size in your map proves that. The same counts for a part of Minor Asia.

How did you make your map? Did you use LMM for MTW1.1 and then converted the txt files for VI? Do you have any tips for doing that?

Cheers, Duke John

[komninos]

Hi DJ,

I use a tool that I developed in Excel ... I use the same tool to produce the campaign too. I am to write up a guide on how to produce a working mod using the LMM 4 and three Excel tools of mine.

I will give you a hint ... If you are VERY GOOD with Excel then go to mapping library project thread and get the China map.

How about a deal ... you get my units ready ... I write up the guide http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif or even better send me the refmap in a zip an I will give you a mod ... which one you like most.

[flip]

I think the map from Duke John is based on the original MTW map. Also Hellenes was working on a map with provinces names. Any news?

[Sir Moody]

sorry my computer went down and decided to be nice and stay down....

the reason the Installer is so big as it has no way to convert the JPG's into TGA's on its own - and if u ask the poor user to do it not much point of an installer really.... - to compound the problem the portraits have to all be in the installer as well as the only way to copy the viking ones automatically is to use a batch file - and they arnt terrible flexible things to play around with so its either one massive file or the multiple zip method

[Emp. Conralius]

To ALL,

How do you install this mod? I downloaded it and copied all the files into the Main MTW directory, but nothing happens. Can someone hive me a step-by-step?

Thank you

[dessa14]

you have to change the campaign map jpgs to TGAs ok
thanks dessa

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (Emp. Conralius @ Nov. 14 2003,23:22)]To ALL,

How do you install this mod? I downloaded it and copied all the files into the Main MTW directory, but nothing happens. Can someone hive me a step-by-step?

Thank you
Please read the thread with all the help of installing it and read the readmes of every zip of this mod you want to install.

At this link is a step by step guide to install the 7 zips of v. 1.0.

at the end of side 9 of this thread is a guide to install the v 1.0 (without the added stuff) (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=5;t=8096;st=200)


For the installation of the other added things (portraits, maps): Read the readmes where to install them of every zip.

To copy all in the main directory won´t work.


One important point for all of you who don´t have an english version of MTW: To use this mod (and every mod) you have to copy all files that are inside the Loc/Eng folder, which you´ll get when you unzipp a mod, into your language folder: So for the german version of MTW, copy all files of the "Eng" folder into your "German" folder (into Loc/German).
Same for other language versions.

[Marshal Murat]

Are you going to do a new mod on Alexander and Darius and that sort of stuff, with India, Egypt, Phonicea, and use DJ macedonians cavalry and Infantry, and create new units like scythed chariots, chariots, Indus Elephants, etc. etc.

[komninos]

Hi,

To all that wish to install the mod ... please read the readme file ... it has a step by step approach to it. It was time consuming to write so at least go though it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Marshal Murat,
This mod ends with Alexander’s father Philipos. It might have two more small addons with Gallatans and Romans on the existing map. For the Hellenistic age we need a much bigger map. I will try to address this problem with a new map that can be use also for a 2000BC - 1000BC mod that has been in my mind for a very long time.

[Emp. Conralius]

Quote[/b] (komninos @ Nov. 15 2003,10:05)]Hi,

To all that wish to install the mod ... please read the readme file ... it has a step by step approach to it. It was time consuming to write so at least go though it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Marshal Murat,
This mod ends with Alexander’s father Philipos. It might have two more small addons with Gallatans and Romans on the existing map. For the Hellenistic age we need a much bigger map. I will try to address this problem with a new map that can be use also for a 2000BC - 1000BC mod that has been in my mind for a very long time.
OK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[Paxx]

Guys yesterday ,at last, i tried your mod and it is really really GREAT. Exellent works guys many many many congatulations http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Is there a chance working on the sounds?
I am concerned about the tactics though as almost the first 4 battles I played, I lost The akontises are vunerable to almost everyone, hippi cav routs pretty easily, the enomoties opliton very heavy infantry move slowly and get tired fast. Yet I havent seen macedonian phalanxes(there are any?)
Can you tell me about the tactics you follow?

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (Paxx @ Nov. 17 2003,01:47)]Guys yesterday ,at last, i tried your mod and it is really really GREAT. Exellent works guys many many many congatulations http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Is there a chance working on the sounds?
I am concerned about the tactics though as almost the first 4 battles I played, I lost The akontises are vunerable to almost everyone, hippi cav routs pretty easily, the enomoties opliton very heavy infantry move slowly and get tired fast. Yet I havent seen macedonian phalanxes(there are any?)
Can you tell me about the tactics you follow?
You could use the conan music, its excellent to use with the mod.


If someone is a musican he could help us.
If so ask komninos.

[Paxx]

sorry i didnt make it clear http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
I meant the voices of men when you order smthing like 'hold position' etc.

Anyone about tactics?

[komninos]

Hi Paxx ... who said life is easy ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

First Always put your polemiste units on attack (MTW bug).
The Greek light units are exactly that so don't put them in to the fray
The Greeks are an unstoppable force when charging but always keep reserves. Don't try to run down fleeing enemies with your Hoplites ... use light units and cav.
Under any circumstances DO NOT expose a venerable side of your phalanxes.
On the battle filed avoid going to the enemy always make him come to you.
Always find a way to rest your troops Hoplites can tear apart other enemies but will be dead tired much faster than them.
This is not the middle ages (they ride bareback) ... cav is not to be used as an assault force. Only Lydians can do that with out regretting it.
Greek can is not to be trusted use them more for flanking actions and avoid eastern cav at all cost.
Akondiste and peltast can do wonders learn how to use them. For one always keep them protected. If the enemy does not have archers or cav you can bring some of them forward and let them spray the enemy heavy units and don’t waist your ammo on light units.
If you are playing a Greek faction ... keep your Hoplites in tight formations ... air tight that is and use one unit on either flank slightly to the back for flank support.
If you are playing for barbarians avoid the heavy Greek units Make them chase you, use javelins and not arrows on them. Bring your can in an advantageous position for a side or rear charge. And keep some units to the rear to avoid mass panic. Always have a numerical advantage
If you are playing for the eastern empires use your archers in your advantage. Bring them in range and point them at the heavy units first. With the barbarians charge them down with your excellent cav.

BTW. For the Greek Vs Greek battles it is a tactical battle all the way. Tray to a\make them move more than what they would like, use the ground to your advantage, always have some reserve units and do not use the heavy units all the time make them rest. If the enemy flees before them use the light units to run them down not your hoplites.

[Emp. Conralius]

Great mod Kominos DJ's units are the better than the dev's units who work at CA.

When is the 2nd version coming out? Will it be single .exe file?

[komninos]

I would be happy if V.2.0 is ready around Xmas. My free time is going to 0 and I am getting a bit tired of it. After V.2.0 I am defenetly going to take some time away from HTW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

I have two new projects in mind ... they will rock you ... I know ... but we will see http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Emp. Conralius]

I cant get this mod to owork But I wanna try it so bad Will this current version be released on a .exe format?

[Sir Moody]

as i mentioned earlyier i have it in a single .exe format - so long as u want to download 100 mb .... and i have to find a way to upload that as well........

[Antalis::]

First: You need a fresh install of MTW+VI:


Then install the original v 1.0 (the 7 with the "TEST" in the name - zips):



Open campmap\pieces\: There you´ll find a "Vikings" folder.
Change the name to "Hellenic".

Do the same with:
campmap\Portraits\Vikings ->Hellenic.


Then: Unzip the TEST_HTW_v1-main.zip into your main directory of MTW (rename MTW to whatever you want).
Do the same with: TEST_HTW-v1_Campmap1.zip
and TEST_HTW-v1_Campmap2.zip


Now, unzip TEST_HTW-v1_textures-map.zip into your "Textures" folder.


Now you have to unzip TEST_HTW-v1_textures-men1.zip,
TEST_HTW-v1_textures-men2.zip and
TEST_HTW-v1_textures-men3.zip
into your Textures\men folder.


Now go to the Textures\campmap\Hellenic folder and open "MapTex.jpg": Save it as TGA into the same folder.

Then open "MapTex2.jpg" and save it as TGA.



The important thing is to change the name of two folders and remember: The main-files are the one with the "TEST" in front of the zips name).

Also I used IrfanView to change the Maptexes into tga format(you find the link in the thread).

You have to install v 1.0 first, then the portraits and maps.
Its impossible to say where to put the added stuff at once: You must read the readmes of the added portraits and maps.

To give you a hint: The portaits of the HTW mod will be in (if you install them right) in campmap\Portraits\Hellenic.

The maps (landscapes and castles) are in Battle\maps.
The panoramic pictures are in Battle\MapImage.

The pieces (army-symbol on the campmap, ships, kings symbols) are I think in campmap\pieces\Hellenic.




Yeah I´m glad that the next version will have only one zip, because I see that such many zips are not that easy to install.

[komninos]

Hi all,

Due to constant problems with V.2.0 I will make a beta aveliable soon to test it out and may be find what is the problem with it.

Well this is a "Heeeeelp" signal. V.2.0 file apart from the graphics is 90% complete but ... problems, problems ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Emp. Conralius]

I appreciate your patience Thanx for your time

[Antalis::]

@flip:


Are you working on castle pieces?
Would be good.
You could look at my castle levels, which I made and make pieces out of it.


@komninos:

Could you post a nearly fully list of the features in v 2.0 (with some sreenshots if possible)?

[Antalis::]

For those who have never seen the HTW landscapes: Here are some pictures of two of them:


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/htw_arkadia.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/386014/htw_crete_kydonia.jpg

[ChErNoByl]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif pretty@#1

so ive been skimming through this thread, and it seems that more content is added every so often. Does this mean that the mod isn't finished, but you're letting people download what is done?

I personally would like to wait until a completed version is out, you know, with an installer/copy+paste thing.

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (ChErNoByl @ Nov. 19 2003,14:13)]http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif pretty@#1

so ive been skimming through this thread, and it seems that more content is added every so often. Does this mean that the mod isn't finished, but you're letting people download what is done?

I personally would like to wait until a completed version is out, you know, with an installer/copy+paste thing.
Yes and no: You can download many things and some not which are in the developement stage and will be released with v 2.0.

[komninos]

Quote[/b] ]so ive been skimming through this thread, and it seems that more content is added every so often. Does this mean that the mod isn't finished, but you're letting people download what is done?


OK ... just to stop this here ... The v.1.0 is ready and as far as I know ... it has not problems. flip, Antalis have developed several stuff that can be added in the existing (ie portraits, area maps ... etc) and are developing some for the upcoming v.2.0 (castle maps, init screens, ... etc).
Duck John has developed the Hoplites and Peltast units that we will use in v.2.0. You can use these too ... if you know what you are doing

==========================================================
What the V.2.0 will contain.
New Unit production file. (Artillery)
Brand new Building production file.
New unit bifs
New Castle maps
Portraits
init and environmental changes
New Descriptions
Three new time periods (Persian wars, Peloponnesian War, The Ascend of Macedon) closing the HTW series
Ships (have to finish those http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif )
... problems (have to take these out) ...

[komninos]

This is something I stumbled on yesterday
Scanned the images and here they are.

=========================================
= Hellenic Warriors from 1000BC - 200BC =
=========================================

Late Mycenaic "Epetis"
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan0.jpg

Shield similar to Hoplon but misses the bottom part
Weapons : Spear, Sword

Early Hoplite "Promaxos"
this will be the now "Polomiste"
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan1.jpg

Elliptical Shield "Boeotian"
Weapons : Javelin, Spear, Sword

Archaic Hoplite (Geometrical age)
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan2.jpg

Shield : Hoplon
Weapons : Long Spear, Sword

Later Hipeas (~400BC)
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan3.jpg

Shield : -
Weapons : Hyston, Sword

Early Peltast
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan4.jpg

Shield : Pelti
Weapons : Javelins, Sword (note the grip of the javelin)

Yficratian Hoplite
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan5.jpg

Shield : Smaller than Hoplon
Weapons : 4.5m Spear, Sword

Phalangitis (3rd century)
http://users.otenet.gr/~timoleon/min-scan6.jpg

Shield : Medium size (Pelti)
Weapons : 6m Spear, Sword

=====================
More to come http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[flip]

Komninos, nice pics. Not easy to find resources about early ages.

Now some progress updates:

Campaign unit pieces
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/Units 2.jpg
Interface
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/menu new.jpg
This is for Antalis and others. I was triyng to test new citys/casttles for HTW. If you pik Islamic architecture we get a greek style structure.I was looking for a easy way to draw citys for the city pieces for the campmap. But i realise that this procedure may be also good for the battle maps. Just a thought.
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/city1.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/city2.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/city3.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt//MTW/Units/city4.jpg

[Antalis::]

Yeah, but with towers and keeps it looks like more a islamic wall and city then a greek one.
But thank you for your thoughts.


btw: Your army pieces looks very good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
How did you do them?
Are that 3D-models?

[flip]

Antalis, thats the point, we hadn't towers and keeps in ancient ages, at least of that kind, so simply dont use them.

The pieces are pure photoshop work, no secrets, I just piked some images and change them.

[Marshal Murat]

Actually, they had towers on thier walls, also they had huge batteries of ballista and scropions in the towers.

[Antalis::]

I tried it out: Problem are also the houses, they look too islamic. Solution would be to remove them completley, but I don´t know.
Without a keep it would be a bit empty there.
Also then you have to change the music, because an islamic theme would be a bit strange to the greek mod.

[Antalis::]

All in all, I think the atmospere would be too islamic and too many things would get lost on the way.

[dessa14]

i don't think that those houses look islamic you can see by the design that they are greek
thanks dessa

[Antalis::]

I don´t think that such cluster-houses exists in greece, or do they?

And they look like basar houses from islamic marketplaces.

They look more like babylonic(?) houses architecture style.

[dessa14]

i think greek houses had slightly pitched terracotta roofed houses, and the fact those houses have wooden roofs is something that middleeastern civs didn't have. they normally had clay or mud brick houses which had a wooden frame holding up a brick roof
thanks dessa

[komninos]

Hi,

I will see what I can find in some architectural things I have at home. The South European houses are close for the Ancient Greek arch. The Islamic as it is is very good but I think it would be better of with the Eastern Kingdoms. Greek houses where more open to the public than the Muslims. In general (if I remember) the houses had some "Probolo", a first part of the house forming the outer wall and leading to the iner yard the houses were single to two floors high. At the centre of the house was the "Hestia" where the fire was burning. The "Hestia" was also an alter for the goddess Hestia protector of the family and the Household.

BTW architecture used does not much the music You can actualy make a new folder and mix mach things and name it AT_HTW_ACRH and then you can use it

flip, Antalis I think it is time to check the MTTM thing Welly is quite open to provide info and guidance. And I have seen things that will blast your minds.

Note making really dense housing causes problems at game play ... units can't move through them.

[flip]

Yes komninos, MTTM its the word, but its already there?
Also I think its possible to repaint the TGAs models.

[flip]

Progress update:

Campmap in Tapestry style
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/tapete1.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/tapete2.jpg

[flip]

New game, "Spartans" here:
Spartans (http://www.slitherine.co.uk/spartan/spartan.htm)

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (flip @ Nov. 21 2003,11:18)]New game, "Spartans" here:
Spartans (http://www.slitherine.co.uk/spartan/spartan.htm)
HTW is MUCH better (sorry no modesty by me at the moment, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif ), lol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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[flip]

I agree http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[dessa14]

that game looks really dodge, wrong system i think, to use any system that is not very similar to TW
thanks dessa

[Antalis::]

I only wanted to say that I´m taking a break: I have so much to do on university that I have not the time that it needs to stay that active in this forum.

The time here was wonderful, I thank you all for your interrest in modding and so on, but it took me too much time that I need in my real life.

It was fantastic to make things for this mod, I always loved ancient history and ancient literature.
I read about Athen, Asia Minor, Makedonia and so on, but now I can play this history by myself.
I´m very grateful, that I could work in this mod as a landscape-maker and for other things.
I learned a lot in making this landscapes.

Hope to see you soon again.


Greetings to all from the man who loves MTW, maybe too much, and I wish you all good luck with your projects and maybe I´ll come back again in not so far future.



Antalis:: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[komninos]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Good luck Antalis, nice to have you for this time but I guess Univ. Exams are not MTW friendly and vice versa.

By the time you come back most probably the v.2.0 will be ready to download http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Marshal Murat]

Hey I just was wondering if any of you had a link to the place where you get the maps, like in Greece or China?

[komninos]

Hi Marshal Murat,

There was a specific question from Welly some time ago about a Spanish map. So try some search in the Alchemist lab. I gave the links in there. ... If you download the HTW or the China map I think you can find the links also in there. Have in mind that the large scale maps that cover the globe need Adobe Photoshop or Adobe Photoshop Elements to open them.

[komninos]

Hi all,

I have two problems to discus with you
1st
Simulating Phalanx fighting
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The "othisis" pushing of the back rows for now is simulated by doubling the Rank Bonus in combat so normal Hoplites get 6, Yficratian 8 and Phalangites 10. But for the strategies I have a problem. There will be three basic options

1. Phalax: Normal depth 6 rows, 16 men
2. Thin spread: 3 rows, 32men
3. Double Phalanx: 12 rows, 8 men

The problem is here the double phalanx should win the phalanx. But with 2xRank Bonus the 12 row has the same Rank Bonus with the normal phalanx. So I am thinking of multiplying it by 3. This will solve the problem but it will deprive the Macedonian and Yficratian a bit.
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2nd
Revolts
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The problem so far is that revolts use the cheapest units found. If you delete these units the game will try the next cheapest unit So I will make two slave rebel units one with small axes and one with a shield and small spear.
These units will be fanatics, ultra cheep (so expect loads of them) but there support will be way to high so if you bribe them you will have to disband them

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Your opinions please

[flip]

Double phalange:

No problem. For the Macedonians, I gess we have, as in the historical situation, to lead the heavy cavalry(companions) and Thessalians with timing in conjuction with the phalanxes. Flanking cavalry will decide battle.

Iphicratians are a sort of a lighter type of hoplites. Light armour and small hoplon. Just the saryssa has now 12 meters. This give them more movement capacity but with less shock atributes.

Revolts:
I can't say anything, I gess we have to test it

[Scipio]

Hey Ive just finished watching a video on athenean history and I'm pumped to play HTW but Im wonderin when is v2.0 coming out should I hold out till then?Any way a bauetiful mod you guys have going here keep up the good work

[flip]

Progress update, map:
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/map color.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/map color2.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/map color3.jpg

[Paxx]

Hi there again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Just wanted to ask if there is any problem with dead bodies, because I havent seen any corpses since I installed HTW. Did I make something wrong?

[komninos]

Paxx,

No ... there is a known bug faced by many modders with the dead bodies ... I think there is a solution by deleting the MTW part of that file but till now I didn’t have any chance to test it. Though now with the DJs units we might have to make a new TGA too.

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As for the problems ....
1st ... It is a bit strange on how MTW fighting is done ... so the experiment with the 12row Phalanx failed. Every time the 6row Phalanx won since it enveloped the flanks of the 12row phalanx. What actually happened was that the 12row Phalanx pushed hard in to the 6row and at some point found its side buried deep and then it suffered gravely. O

So I returned to the old values this will have to be done using formations.

2nd. This was a total success The three rebel units were cheep and were constantly picked up by the rebelling forces in different combinations. The problem was the cost of the normal units ... the average hoplite costs ~600coins the Rebel_Hoplite casts 100 If you by your way with these rebels things will turn very bad ... these are the productive population so there will be a constant outrage in the province and there support is huge. There fighting is not very good either. So if you by your way with them then bring in your forces and disband them ASAP

[Scipio]

Still havent answered when the version 2 is commin out maybe I should forget it...

[Antalis::]

@flip:

Very nice map http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.
I like that tapestry style and that you have added names on the provinces.


@Scipio:

I guess not even komninos knows exactly when v 2.0 is ready to download.
Maybe in a month or so.

[Scipio]

Darn that hurts imean rtw centurion total war Meta Storms Rome and this mod all are all the same such confusuion hurts my head http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[flip]

Update screens. A huge battle, pre-battle menu, pieces(princesses/emissarys), etc.
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/update1.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/update2.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/update3.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/update4.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/update5.jpg

[Scipio]

wow http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif beautiful How many people was in that battle? I cant wait till v2

[komninos]

Scipio,

Just to calm you down ... I we don't wont you to have a hart attack ... if I get some time this weekend the v.2.0 Beta will be packed and uploaded. This is to help flip coordinate with me. I guess by Xmass you will be on the download may be sooner.

At the moment I am on the balancing side of things. Need to work a bit on the ships. I think I will make one very vulnerable barge that would be easy build. Attack ships will be more difficult. Finalization of the map is also planed ... in the buildings / location. And some more things I have in mind.

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Flip excellent work ... prepare for download. BTW There are three new units ...
Light_Rebels (virtually unarmed mob), Rebels (small shield, small spear), Rebel_Hoplites (lower grade hoplites that will pop up in Catholic or Orthodox provinces)

[Paxx]

Wow flip great job

[Antalis::]

@komninos:


A question about the landscapes: There is a list in the readme which Architecture and Terrain is right to take. Do you already have signed them to it in the startpos.txt?


@flip:

You have used the old version of Olympos for the screenshot, I guess http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif,
but anyway, you have done again a great job.

[komninos]

Yes Antalis,

There is a section in the campaign file that you define the properties of a region. What you can define is:
Culture
Architecture
Landscape type
Castle file
And some more parameters.

[Antalis::]

Zitat[/b] (komninos @ Nov. 28 2003,04:07)]Yes Antalis,

There is a section in the campaign file that you define the properties of a region. What you can define is:
Culture
Architecture
Landscape type
Castle file
And some more parameters.
That´s good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif



Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Scipio]

Quote[/b] ]Scipio,

Just to calm you down ... I we don't wont you to have a hart attack ... if I get some time this weekend the v.2.0 Beta will be packed and uploaded. This is to help flip coordinate with me. I guess by Xmass you will be on the download may be sooner.



This weekend Im gona die jk sounds good too bad Im gone for most of the winter holidays http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[komninos]

New building added
the new building that I felt it was missing till now is the Stadium.
It has tow upgrades and gives valour.
Palestra (modern day rings),
Gymnasium (like modern day gyms), and finally
Stadium.

This was one building that was never absent from the Greek cities. Yang men would spend a lot of there time there preparing them selves to become worthy citizens. In these places you would expect to find not only the future citizens but also some of the brightest minds the since Ancient Greeks followed the code "a healthy mind in a healthy body". Politics, philosophy, history, strategies would be also discussed in there along with Pagratio (One of the oldest marshal arts) and other "sports"

So ... flip put that also down ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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Scipio ... the Beta will be in a week ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[TheSilverKnight]

This mod looks really fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
what do I need to do to enjoy in this ancient slaughter? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I have MTW/VI Patched
Do I have to make another MTW directory?
How many mb's is it? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Scipio]

bautiful Kominos I like the stadium idea hats off to you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[NagatsukaShumi]

SK,

If you don't want to wipe over MTW then you shall need to make a new MTW directory.

[TheSilverKnight]

Thank you Naggy
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[ChErNoByl]

Will 2.0 be for VI 2.0, 2.1, MTW 1.0, MTW 1.1? I want to know, so i can get ready to play it.

Those hills look like they're going to be a pain to attack...

[NagatsukaShumi]

It is for VI, 2.0 and 2.1 make no difference to installtion as it only replaces the .exe file, either version will work HTW.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Hey guys, looks great, but what exactly to I have to download? I've looked back over the topic and there are so many unit packs, map packs, icon packs and portrait packs that I'm not really sure what I need. Thanks in advance.

[komninos]

Big King Sanctaphrax,
If you managed to read though 20 pages of all that has been said in the past months, I salute you.

I think Antalis has a good collection of all the links and files needed in page 17 or 18. First get the main files and if that goes well start unpacking the maps, portraits, ... unit graphics ... etc.

BTW the V.1.0 of HTW does not contain the new units bifs seen in many of the later pics.

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Unfortunately I have not managed to pack the stuff for the V.2.0 beta. This will happen http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif hopefully in this week. I actually have to do some more things on it. ... last minute things always take time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Cheers. If 2.0 is imminent, I may wait for that.

[Paxx]

Hi all,
I failed as a general of the Aetheneans an by the year 350 (1066 for VI) to finish the game, I couldnt make all the provinces mine. So I tried cheating to give my self infinite years/turns.
So I went to the campmap\startpos folder and I changed the dates of all Hellenic*.txt files. No result. Then from the same folder I changed the dates from all txt files but it didn't work.
Is there anything I can do or smthing I made wrong?
thx in advance http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[flip]

Update, transparent units

http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/transparent1.jpg
http://filipeabranches.no.sapo.pt/MTW/Units/transparent2.jpg