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Cowhead418
01-18-2007, 04:32
Post #? My apologies if so.Post #191
Seamus Fermanagh
01-18-2007, 04:45
Sorry. Cowhead is quite correct. Beirut received 13 votes, not 12. Post 224 has been corrected to reflect the accurate count. If our mod would be so kind as to adjust the info thread?
What idiot came up with the idea for this big a scenario with this much counting....:dizzy:
GeneralHankerchief
01-18-2007, 04:47
Actually, nitpick.
I don't think Beirut voted for himself, either.
Sorry. :evilgrin:
Seamus Fermanagh
01-18-2007, 05:00
Actually, nitpick.
I don't think Beirut voted for himself, either.
Sorry. :evilgrin:
You're right. I did my data entry too quickly, switched screens and wrote Cowhead's vote for Beirut in Beirut's vote column. Beirut didn't vote.:shame:
255 posts and no kills yet this should be quite good.
pevergreen
01-18-2007, 05:43
Your quite right Sasaki that part of the movie is a killer. Thats the only reason i like that move, apart from
"Inconceivable!"
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2007, 06:01
post updated. Also, lol:
...This sounds a little like Vazini in Princess Bride.
Edit: Note to self, finish thread before replying. Someone smarter will probably have beaten you to it. <head thwacking brick sound>
Alexander the Pretty Good
01-18-2007, 06:43
Love that movie.
[Prince Humperdink sniffs the vial] "...Iocane..."
Ignoramus
01-18-2007, 08:10
"Do you think it will work?" "It would take a miracle."
CountArach
01-18-2007, 08:26
So is this night time, or do we try to lynch people now?
pevergreen
01-18-2007, 12:45
After reading Sasaki's post, i went to work and watched that movie. :laugh4: The WIFOM is unforgetable.
EDIT: How do you change it so it doesnt save sent PM's? No need to clutter it up here, just PM me it :laugh4:
EDIT2: To whoever has that big list of people and how they act naahahahahaaha im not on there! :laugh3:
Seamus Fermanagh
01-18-2007, 14:14
Lots of PM's not yet in -- under 4 hours to go.
Groups must not only delineate the same action, but must name their coordinating members. Questions? PM me.
Clearing Messages:
Check its box, go to the bottom of the PM Box area, change it to read delete, then hit "go" and all of the PM's go phhht into cyberia.
Any who miss PMs will be listed as sleeping -- but miss enough and I might have to WoG for that too.
TTFN!
This will be interesting....
pevergreen
01-18-2007, 14:51
I dont see the townies winning this one...can they?
I dont see the townies winning this one...can they?
Likely not...But, It all depends.
Seamus Fermanagh
01-18-2007, 16:19
Folks:
Some still haven't PM'd or posted..:inquisitive: Edit: 28 of you!
Also Let me say again:
Night-time PMs must include: Action, & names of those coordinating with if any.
ALL members of a coordinating group must separately send in PMs that mesh in order for those orders to go through as planned.
If there is a general call for a short extension to clean this up, I will accomodate that.
Questions as to formatting etc. Please ask -- as Ironside quickly proved, the game system is not yet seemless and I will clean up any flubs quickly.
As to a Townie Win:
Long about round 14, the referee can clock both boxers -- as they've exhausted and hammered on each other.
Major Robert Dump
01-18-2007, 17:34
28 of you are losers. Get your act together, retards
Seamus Fermanagh
01-18-2007, 18:34
28 of you are losers. Get your act together, retards
A tad harsh, perhaps. And the number is a bit less now.
My extension elapses at 1300 EST (27 minutes) -- PM now or sleep (well?)
Narration to follow as quickly after that as possible.
The Stranger
01-18-2007, 19:15
well... im sorry but its really not fair... im in school till 5 oclock GMT +1 when i come home i have to make dinner and eat... i can never vote if the timeline stays like this.. cant you give us 16-24 hours to vote...
Seamus Fermanagh
01-18-2007, 19:28
PM's for Night One concluded. Write up to follow.
Stranger:
I post my narrative and then give until 1200 the NEXT day to complete that phase, 20-24 hours. I may extend this (because of my work schedule) but I'd never shorten it.
The Stranger
01-18-2007, 19:38
im sorry... i meant 36-24... hmm alright... but i think im going to miss a helluva lot... maybe add 4 hours?
Kralizec
01-18-2007, 20:09
well... im sorry but its really not fair... im in school till 5 oclock GMT +1 when i come home i have to make dinner and eat... i can never vote if the timeline stays like this.. cant you give us 16-24 hours to vote...
Do it this evening After Seamus posts the results of the previous (night) phase, you can already start voting.
If you ask me the phases should stay 24 hours. It would be really annoying to deal with deadlines that differ from (real life) day to day.
GAH!
Im not in home, so i cant play it correctly.You, mafiosos, can kill me.
The Stranger
01-18-2007, 20:14
I would presume by posting that he is mafia. But hes not retarded enough to post that, so you think he isnt mafia. But he would also have come to that conclusion, posting it so it looks like he isnt mafia and mafia at the same time.
(oh, recruit me!)
you want to be recruited?
Seamus Fermanagh
01-18-2007, 20:45
Night One Wrap Up
Sasaki Kojiro walked home through a drizzle of sleet after a quiet dinner at a local café/diner. The food had been good, the wine had imparted just a bit of a pleasant glow. He looked up as the big Packard rounded the corner, splashing water and slush onto the folks waiting for the light to change.
He was in the middle of the block, standing there as the Packard cruised closer, windows dropping and shotgun muzzles coming into view.
A jolt of adrenaline gave him speed – but there was nowhere to go!
Then the even more unexpected happened. As the Packard slowed, two figures in trench coats and hats leaped out coming, seemingly, from nowhere. One got between Sasaki and the Packard, took a shotgun blast in the gut and went down. The second swept Sasaki’s feet out from under him, knocking him flat and stunning him…just as the steel doors of the loading elevator for the café snapped up – absorbing the shotgun blasts that didn’t go over the now-prone Sasaki. The second figure never stopped moving, rolling through Sasaki’s legs, into the slush of the gutter and then getting up and sprinting into the shadows across the street.
The Packard stopped suddenly, an arm sticking out from inside lobbing a grenade back at the still stunned Sasaki. A third figure swept out of the shadows, whipping a Louisville Slugger around to bat the grenade back toward the Packard. It exploded in mid-air, doing no harm except to the paint. With sirens already closing, the hit team in the Packard sped off into the night. By the time Sasaki got groggily to his feet, all three of his masked saviors had disappeared….one leaving a trail of blood. Sasaki warily returned home – sleep no longer an option.
Across town, Proletariat was pulling out the key to the front door of her Brownstone, when a shadow broke away from the alley between her home and the neighbors place – a cloaked shadow with a very long knife! She dropped her keys in alarm as the shadow rushed forward, bracing herself against her door for a desperate struggle – only to have the door open quickly behind her. She fell through the doorway to safety as her would-be attacker rushed at her – only to be met with a door slamming into his face. A cry of pain was following by the sound of retreating footsteps fading into the dark and rain. Prole’ looked at the now-locked door…she was virtually certain she’d locked it as she left. Adrenaline still giving her the shakes, Proletariat decided she would open that nice Red after all. For her too it would be a restless night.
GeneralHankerchief, by contrast, worked late (nothing exciting) and then went home and slept well – and too deeply. He never heard the soft crack as the window of his back door was broken to get to the lock. Nor did he hear the feet on the stairs or the gentle tiptoeing across his bedroom’s Persian Rug. He heard the gentle <<cough>> of the silencer only faintly, and only very briefly. Then he heard nothing again. When Seamus’ micks swung by to take him to the morning meeting, they found him dead with a note pinned to his pillow. On the way to report in they managed to lose the note.
Chief Fermanagh announced the grim news of the evening’s events and quietly turned over the lynch-voting to Beirut.
He walked away silently, still shaking his head and muttering…
“Just doesn’t seem like it’d be one gang….”
OOC:
Murdered:
GeneralHankerchief
Attacked:
Proletariat
Sasaki Kojiro
Lynch Votes for Day Two due 1400 HRS EST 1/1
Investigation Results by PM shortly.
Sasaki: Please append to the info thread....when your pulse drops a bit.:smartass2:
HughTower
01-18-2007, 21:08
A couple of nice dodges there it appears.....and mafia dons get protection from their lucas, do they? Unless, protection was organised for them in advance, which would appear just to be too uncannily accurate to be true.
So from the description of the attempts (3 vs 3, and 1 vs 1), I'm going to surmise that Prole was either protected by a Luca or a Doctor, & Sasaki was protected by friendly townies. So, on the balance of this (v. tenuous) evidence, & to jostle things up a little,
Vote: Proletariat
Seamus Fermanagh
01-18-2007, 21:15
Hint:
PM results are easier to send to you if your PM box is not FULL TO THE POINT OF CHOKING OFF MY MESSAGE.
Hm. I'm not surprised that Sasaki was a) protected and b) attacked.
Nor am I amazed that our beloved hankerchief was attacked.
Proletariat could have survived for quite a few reasons. I'll wait for some more discussion before I decide a vote.
The attacks on Sasaki and GH are really strange. Why would you try to kill two players that will have a lot of suspicion on them in later rounds. The attempted kills and kill baffle me.
Vote:Abstain
I have absolutely no suspicions at this time, and have no idea who to vote for. It will take me some time to get used to the amount of detail in this game
Vote: Abstain
The attacks on Sasaki and GH are really strange. Why would you try to kill two players that will have a lot of suspicion on them in later rounds. The attempted kills and kill baffle me.
Well you will kill 2 of the veterans of the game really. I'm new so I might be wrong, but from what I've read they seem the veterans and the "best" players in the game, you want to win, why not take the good players out early on, makes things easier for you
Vote: Abstain
Well you will kill 2 of the veterans of the game really. I'm new so I might be wrong, but from what I've read they seem the veterans and the "best" players in the game, you want to win, why not take the good players out early on, makes things easier for you
Vote: Abstain
Yes, but veteran players bring more suspicion on themselves. Especially Sasaki I think someone new tried to kill Sasaki.
Pannonian
01-18-2007, 22:04
The attacks on Sasaki and GH are really strange. Why would you try to kill two players that will have a lot of suspicion on them in later rounds. The attempted kills and kill baffle me.
Vote:Abstain
I have heard from various sources that GH was a pro-town role, which may mean that pro-mafia people may have got wind of it too. I'm not sure how much information on other players Seamus gives in the introductory PMs, and I suspect he wouldn't say even if I asked.
However, to kick off discussions, I will express my suspicions about you, Ichigo. In post #169 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1389438&postcount=169), you encouraged us to select you as Director, warning us about Beirut's axe in the back. Now since Beirut's axe has no bearing on this game, I have to say this is classic meatballing (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=70374). Combined with your eagerness to get an unkillable role, I would say you are mafia, possibly even a Don, looking for safety from other gangs while orchestrating the discussion. What says you to this?
Edit: Hyperlinking post #169.
Crazed Rabbit
01-18-2007, 22:17
If GH was a pro-town role, and if he shared that info with some people, perhaps he could reveal who he talked to.
That might give us an idea of where to begin. Of course, those he talked to might have talked themselves.
Pannonion has a point about Ichigo's 'meatballing', but it doesn't seem that likely to me that Ichigo is mafia.
I think abstaining for now is good, but we probably want to vote this round due to the odds of lynching various roles.
CR
Your Role: Townie
Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win.
Role Changing:
At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:
Combine with 3 other townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful kills, you will become a “Wise Guy” and can progress from there).
Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there).
Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.
PM’s:
Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:
“Get some sleep” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”
Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.
Investigations:
It is most probable that, if investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “innocent.” Remember, however, that a significant minority (20%) of townspeople will register as “unclear” rather than innocent if investigated by a Made and as “criminal” (5-10%) if investigated by a detective. You will only register as “guilty” if you have participated in a killing.
Getting Recruited:
What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team.
meh I'm the one who tried to kill Prole.
Edit:
Hello Ichigo,
I who wrote this message, am of the Maffia. Let me get to the point at once: we might be interested in recruiting you.
At this point we can't be sure if you're just a regular townie, or have a special role. As you could have derived from the rules, we only may investigate two people every night.
Since we can't be sure of you, you must start earning our trust...if you're interested, of course.
We want you to kill a person. Assuming you're just a regular townie: you'll need to find 3 co-conspirators to carry out a succesful murder. You'll need to do this yourself.
As for your victims: pick one of the following:
Banquo's Ghost, Doc_Bean or Proletariat
Your conspirators may not include: Beirut, ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, General Hankerchief, Hepcat, HughTower, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Pevergreen, Redleg, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis. You may not include one from the list of potential victims either, even those you did not select for the kill.
If you manage to pull it off this night-phase, well done. The next nigh-phase would be acceptable as well, however.
You may mention to your fellow conspirators that this act is to bring you into the good graces of one of the crime families (and that they’re also eligible), but you may not mention the contents of this PM.
When you have arranged the conspiracy and sent a PM to Seamus Ferganagh indicating that you want to kill someone from the list of potential victims, PM AndrestheCunning back and ask him to deliver it to his Maffia contact, before Seamus Ferganagh posts the results. When you’ve completed your mission, we just might have a career opening for you.
Signed: a maffioso
I got this from Andres. I don't feel I'm capable of playing two games right now with things going as they are with my life. Atleast I found a mafioso this might even discourage them from trying to recruit other players. Do with it what you will what I have given. I think a GF resides in one of those bolded players.
Kralizec
01-18-2007, 22:24
So from the description of the attempts (3 vs 3, and 1 vs 1), I'm going to surmise that Prole was either protected by a Luca or a Doctor, & Sasaki was protected by friendly townies.
Murder attempts can also fail because not enough PMs were sent to make it happen.
I have no idea who to blame for this...if everybody abstains resulting in 0 votes, does the director have the authority to execute everybody?
Crazed Rabbit
01-18-2007, 22:25
What? Are you serious? If you're a townie, you would've had to team up with some other people, you couldn't just attempt a kill yourself. Of course, the kill did fail, and perhaps too few townies was the cause.
Either you're joking or not, and it seems both choices are bad for the town, so
Vote: Ichigo
At least until further explaination.
Crazed Rabbit
I have heard from various sources that GH was a pro-town role, which may mean that pro-mafia people may have got wind of it too. I'm not sure how much information on other players Seamus gives in the introductory PMs, and I suspect he wouldn't say even if I asked.
However, to kick off discussions, I will express my suspicions about you, Ichigo. In post #169 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1389438&postcount=169), you encouraged us to select you as Director, warning us about Beirut's axe in the back. Now since Beirut's axe has no bearing on this game, I have to say this is classic meatballing (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=70374). Combined with your eagerness to get an unkillable role, I would say you are mafia, possibly even a Don, looking for safety from other gangs while orchestrating the discussion. What says you to this?
Edit: Hyperlinking post #169.
That could be used against any of the other players that voted for themselves. Come up with some better reasons please I'de like to hear them.
What? Are you serious? If you're a townie, you would've had to team up with some other people, you couldn't just attempt a kill yourself. Of course, the kill did fail, and perhaps too few townies was the cause.
Either you're joking or not, and it seems both choices are bad for the town, so
Vote: Ichigo
At least until further explaination.
Crazed Rabbit
The next PM explains it.
Crazed Rabbit
01-18-2007, 22:33
So it does. I guess you won't mind me voting for you.
Crazed Rabbit
So it does. I guess you won't mind me voting for you.
Crazed Rabbit
No of course not I asked to be lynched.
Unvote:Abstain
Vote:Ichigo
Pannonian
01-18-2007, 22:39
Ichigo is convincing enough for me. My only question is, if the 2nd PM is correct, why didn't you vote for AndrestheCunning? I await your explanation, but as of now,
Vote: AndrestheCunning
Edit: If you want to be killed off, suicide yourself instead of wasting a lynching.
Vote: AndrestheCunning
I'm convinced enough.
Crazed Rabbit
01-18-2007, 22:42
Oh, yeah.
Unvote: Ichigo
Vote: AndrestheCunning
Should you desire enternal peace Ichigo, it probably would be bettter to commit seppuku.
Crazed Rabbit
are you sure Andres send that PM?
When you have arranged the conspiracy and sent a PM to Seamus Ferganagh indicating that you want to kill someone from the list of potential victims, PM AndrestheCunning back and ask him to deliver it to his Maffia contact, before Seamus Ferganagh posts the results. When you’ve completed your mission, we just might have a career opening for you.
If I pm you something I wouldn't speak of myself in the third person, and I doubt Andres would
Warluster
01-18-2007, 22:49
On the second message it says you can choose from peopple, Prole was among that list. Prole was attacked, so this was obviously sent around, or Ichigo followed orders(Possible) if it was sent around we know who the mafia is (Andres) if it wasnt sent around, we have two killers caught. That is even if it is true
Vote:AndresTheCunning
Ichigo is convincing enough for me. My only question is, if the 2nd PM is correct, why didn't you vote for AndrestheCunning? I await your explanation, but as of now,
Vote: AndrestheCunning
Edit: If you want to be killed off, suicide yourself instead of wasting a lynching.
I changed my mind. I was going to try to infiltrate the GF's team then kill them from the inside sacrificing myself, but I don't have the time nor the mental ability to do this because of somethings going on in my life. I guess mental ability isn't the right word somethings in my life right now are very troubling on me and I don't really want to be a burden to the townies. With the things going on I don't think I'de be able to put forth all of my effort into taking down the mafia in this game. I'de be more of a burden if anything.
Unvote:Ichigo
Vote:AndrestheCunning
Pannonian
01-18-2007, 22:53
are you sure Andres send that PM?
If I pm you something I wouldn't speak of myself in the third person, and I doubt Andres would
If Andres isn't mafia, then he has a mafia contact, and I would like to hear from him. Ichigo has convinced me he is a townie, so if he says Andres has incriminated himself, I'll vote for him unless he can make a good case for himself (as Ichigo has).
Ichigo, if you want to end your game while proving what you've said is true, vote for someone else and ask Seamus to kill you off in addition to the regular execution. As it is, you're wasting a vote, and if you don't get enough votes, you won't get your desired lynching.
Sir Moody
01-18-2007, 22:53
Vote:AndresTheCunning
i guess Ichigo can be believed for now
are you sure Andres send that PM?
If I pm you something I wouldn't speak of myself in the third person, and I doubt Andres would
I think Andres was just the messanger. I doubt he wrote the actual PM the GF probably did that, and of course the GF wouldn't send me the PM himself.
Warluster I am the one who tried to kill Prole like I said earlier. Everything leading up to this point is in the post before this one I posted.
HEHE.. good one Ichigo. :2thumbsup:
You just provided the town with much information to consider.
Knowing you I believe it is genuine.
Vote: AndrestheCunning aka AndrestheNOTsoCunningAnymore
Do I even need an explanation here? :dizzy2:
Vote: AndrestheCunning
I'm going to kill Csar if he made up that PM
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Andres
GeneralHankerchief
01-18-2007, 23:04
Oh, this pisses me off. Seriously. It's the first round of the GREATEST MAFIA GAME EVER and ONLY I DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Argh. In my one night alive, I've learned a lot of things and will spill my guts to you as soon as I get my temper back.
Seriously. This sucks.
UltraWar
01-18-2007, 23:06
Private Messages can be faked
Vote:Ichigo
Seriously. This sucks.
I think we all agree with you there, but then it would always happen to someone
Private Messages can be faked
Vote:Ichigo
Are you kidding me? Those two PM's are extremely different writing styles and I suck at writing. But maybe Andres is your buddy I wouldn't doubt it and you wouldn't want to kill your buddy would you?
Kralizec
01-18-2007, 23:16
The PM looks real...
Vote: AndrestheCunning
Private Messages can be faked
Vote:Ichigo
Why would he fake it in that detail? And more importantly, why would he fake it at all.
A simple couple of lines could have substituted for that extensive thing. Also, why would he select Andres as a contact and not someone naturally suspicious - like Sasaki (or Lemur:laugh4: ).
Now, your barely explained intervention seems just *slightly* suspicious. In addition, you're in the PM as 'unselectable'. Congrats :inquisitive: - Gentlemen, I think we have a secondary target.
Oh - could I humbly ask for the help of a doctor for this turn. Accusing Ultrawar, who is, I believe, a Mafioso, can't be safe. Another family might also want to nail me to place more suspicion on Ultrawar.
AggonyDuck
01-18-2007, 23:25
The Andres PM looks legitimate enough for me. Not gonna bother with further explanations.
Vote:AndresTheCunning
Also anyone who got the townie role knows that that is exactly what Seamus sent to us.
Like I need to think about this one.
Vote: Andres
Me smells newbs in the mafia.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2007, 23:38
I thought I was dead :sweatdrop:
Vote:AndresTheCunning
Looks like a careless attempt at recruiting wise guys to me.
Interesting choice of targets. Presumably they are going after those they feel would be most dangerous as mafia, knowing that if they are town they will continue to work for the town. Or else they are just new. I think it's the former though.
Big King Sanctaphrax
01-18-2007, 23:41
The PM looks reasonable enough, so my vote will be for Andres until he defends himself. I have to admit though, I wouldn't start a PM with 'I am Mafia' if I was trying to recruit, so I am a little dubious. Still, we have enough players to soak up a few innocent losses, so I Vote: Andres. I'll probably be voting for Ichigo in the next round, just in case.
I must admit, I'm curious about the kills. Kudos to the Doctor/townie team that protected Sasaki, as he was an extremely obvious target. However, Prole I'm not so sure about. Either a doctor/townie team got very lucky, or the kill attempt was by someone other than the mafia, and failed due to lack of manpower.
HughTower
01-18-2007, 23:44
There is no AndrestheCunning playing. Check the sodding participant list - the Don sent the message via him, as Ichigo thought.
I suspect he or she is sitting there, rolling with laughter right about now at this.
The PM looks reasonable enough, so my vote will be for Andres until he defends himself. I have to admit though, I wouldn't start a PM with 'I am Mafia' if I was trying to recruit, so I am a little dubious. Still, we have enough players to soak up a few innocent losses, so I Vote: Andres. I'll probably be voting for Ichigo in the next round, just in case.
I must admit, I'm curious about the kills. Kudos to the Doctor/townie team that protected Sasaki, as he was an extremely obvious target. However, Prole I'm not so sure about. Either a doctor/townie team got very lucky, or the kill attempt was by someone other than the mafia, and failed due to lack of manpower.
No need to vote me I'm commiting seppuku. Unless Seamus has a sick sense of humor and doesn't let me kill myself.:sweatdrop: :no:
GeneralHankerchief
01-18-2007, 23:46
What I've learned
Since I am dead, and so early on, I have little interest in who wins and will now proceed to give you guys almost everything I know.
First of all, I confirm Ichigo's PM. My friend sent it to me in a slightly different form, where I was a target and not a "person not to tell." Oops. So yeah, find out who faked being Andres.
I was a doctor in this game. I chose to protect a newbie this first round (can't remember who, and don't really care) so that they could have the experience of living through a Mafia game.
I told the following people this role: Kagemusha and Pannonian. I believe Kage may have told some others such as Caius Flaminius. Kagemusha claims the role of wiseguy. Pannonian claims townie.
Kage approached me in the chat about forming a townie kill group. The four of us were myself, him, Caius, and Sigurd. Our first target was to be Sasaki, but Kage called it off for the first night to wait and see what would happen.
I have a friend who has given me lots of information. Including the townie PM that Seamus sent out, now posted here for all to see (in case you missed it):
Your Role: Townie
Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win.
Role Changing:
At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:
Combine with 3 other townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful kills, you will become a “Wise Guy” and can progress from there).
Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there).
Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.
PM’s:
Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:
“Get some sleep” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”
Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.
Investigations:
It is most probable that, if investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “innocent.” Remember, however, that a significant minority (20%) of townspeople will register as “unclear” rather than innocent if investigated by a Made and as “criminal” (5-10%) if investigated by a detective. You will only register as “guilty” if you have participated in a killing.
Getting Recruited:
What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team.
In addition, this friend has supplied me with the names of a few mafiosi, however, I don't know their families or positions.
Reenk Roink
Redleg
Beirut
Stig
Have fun! :furious3:
HughTower
01-18-2007, 23:48
Andresthecunning is not playing this game, therefore he can not be lynched, and is not mafia. Stop voting for him now.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-18-2007, 23:49
There is no AndrestheCunning playing. Check the sodding participant list - the Don sent the message via him, as Ichigo thought.
I suspect he or she is sitting there, rolling with laughter right about now at this.
https://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9626/emotwtfvp9.gif
unvote
If I didn't know Ichigo was innocent I'd vote him. Hmm.
Big King Sanctaphrax
01-18-2007, 23:52
Wha?! No Andres?
Duped!
Unvote: Andres.
Now I'm just confused. Who playing is mates with Andres, and might get him to send out PMs for them?
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
unvote: AndresTheCunning aka AndresTheCunningStill
There is no AndrestheCunning playing. Check the sodding participant list - the Don sent the message via him, as Ichigo thought.
I suspect he or she is sitting there, rolling with laughter right about now at this.
:laugh4:
I no longer want to arrest this godfather, he's given me a good ten minutes of laughing at myself and that is :balloon2: priceless:balloon2:
Regardless, I'm suspicious about how fast (and how) Ultrawar reacted.
I think he's an inept detective or FBI agent, which would explain the reaction properly.
Unvote:Andres the Cunning
Vote: The Stranger
He's got pretty good ties with Andres.
I don't know what's going on unless Seamus got some people to send PMs so the mafioso's wouldn't reveal themselves. So I couldn't pull a stunt like I just did.
AggonyDuck
01-18-2007, 23:56
Well I'm gonna trust GH's list here and vote for Reenk.
Unvote:AndrestheCunning
Vote: Reenk Roink
Pannonian
01-18-2007, 23:57
Whoops. That was embarrassing. I'll pick a name from GH's list, and I'll go for Reenk Roink as an experienced player who would have the nous to disguise himself via a non-participant.
Unvote: Andres
Vote: Reenk Roink
HughTower
01-18-2007, 23:58
Read Ichigo's post 286 again, with the knowledge that Andres is not a player.
Now, the person who sent must most likely be vaguely experienced to pull that trick; or have a few friends on the forum through longevity; or even have set up another new account specifically for this purpose. Can someone check how long Andres has been around? Is that possible?
My view is that Ichigo is truthful & truly wants to opt out of the game.
Personally, I still want to know why Proletariat & Sasaki were saved - and by who?
https://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9626/emotwtfvp9.gif
unvote
If I didn't know Ichigo was innocent I'd vote him. Hmm.
Do you really think I'de **** up that bad and write in someone's name that wasn't even on the list. This is messed up.:no: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:
Read Ichigo's post 286 again, with the knowledge that Andres is not a player.
Now, the person who sent must most likely be vaguely experienced to pull that trick; or have a few friends on the forum through longevity; or even have set up another new account specifically for this purpose. Can someone check how long Andres has been around? Is that possible?
My view is that Ichigo is truthful & truly wants to opt out of the game.
Personally, I still want to know why Proletariat & Sasaki were saved - and by who?
Andres isn't new. He's also Dutch if that helps any.
Don Corleone
01-19-2007, 00:02
As mentioned, our Godfather (or whomever posed as Andres) has a great sense of humor. This was classic... straight to the Mafia games sticky, I hope (Sasaki....)
Of the 4 known mafia GH listed, I'd have to say this sounds the most like Beirut (who must be loving his role as Director right now).
Vote: Beirut
P.S. With his moderator powers, I'm sure he knows how to forge a PM.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 00:03
Kage approached me in the chat about forming a townie kill group. The four of us were myself, him, Caius, and Sigurd. Our first target was to be Sasaki, but Kage called it off for the first night to wait and see what would happen.
Well isn't that just https://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5329/emotkradqp6.gif
GH's list is interesting, but recall that in this game being killed doesn't prove you are innocent. We'll know in a round (or 2?) what his role was. Meanwhile, I expect those four will be taken out by mafia families eager to gain an advantage.
So I'll
Vote:Pannonian
I'd expect him to know better than to trust a list like that at face value and go for the names. Remember if GH was mafia he would have listed 4 innocents.
Unvote:Andres
Vote:Abstain
Proletariat
01-19-2007, 00:10
Hm, very bizarre. I got the very same PM from Andres, as well. The third person thing is also something I noticed when reading it, and was curious who might've written (I was figuring maybe his Don)
Anyway, here it is;
Hello My Lady,
I who wrote this message, am of the Maffia. Let me get to the point at once: we might be interested in recruiting you.
At this point we can't be sure if you're just a regular townie, or have a special role. As you could have derived from the rules, we only may investigate two people every night.
Since we can't be sure of you, you must start earning our trust...if you're interested, of course.
We want you to kill a person. Assuming you're just a regular townie: you'll need to find 3 co-conspirators to carry out a succesful murder. You'll need to do this yourself.
As for your victims: pick one of the following:
Banquo's Ghost, Pevergreen, or Sigurd Fafnesbane
Your conspirators may not include: Beirut, ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, Doc_Bean, Hepcat, HughTower, Ichigo, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Redleg, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis. You may not include one from the list of potential victims either, even those you did not select for the kill.
If you manage to pull it off this night-phase, well done. The next nigh-phase would be acceptable as well, however.
You may mention to your fellow conspirators that this act is to bring you into the good graces of one of the crime families (and that they’re also eligible), but you may not mention the contents of this PM.
When you have arranged the conspiracy and sent a PM to Seamus Ferganagh indicating that you want to kill someone from the list of potential victims, PM AndrestheCunning back and ask him to deliver it to his Maffia contact, before Seamus Ferganagh posts the results. When you’ve completed your mission, we just might have a career opening for you.
Signed: a maffioso
Whoever saved me, thanks. Got a bit to ponder here, will post in a bit
Big King Sanctaphrax
01-19-2007, 00:12
P.S. With his moderator powers, I'm sure he knows how to forge a PM.
Can you expand upon your reasoning here? There's no moderator training camp where you're taught to forge PMs, kill a man with a pencil, etc.
Pannonian
01-19-2007, 00:12
Well isn't that just https://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5329/emotkradqp6.gif
GH's list is interesting, but recall that in this game being killed doesn't prove you are innocent. We'll know in a round (or 2?) what his role was. Meanwhile, I expect those four will be taken out by mafia families eager to gain an advantage.
So I'll
Vote:Pannonian
I'd expect him to know better than to trust a list like that at face value and go for the names. Remember if GH was mafia he would have listed 4 innocents.
I trust GH's list because I got it from another source that he's a doctor, ie. he didn't tell me himself. Admittedly it was the same line of thinking that got me voting Andres in the first place, as I was equally convinced Ichigo is non-Mafia for good reason. But while GH and Ichigo may make mistakes, I don't think they're maliciously manipulating things.
Ironside
01-19-2007, 00:15
Well, the obvious trail for leads about the supplier of AndrestheCunning's message is that it's one of Beirut, ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, General Hankerchief, Hepcat, HughTower, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Pevergreen, Redleg, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis, and that this person knows Andres (assumed due to certify a correct delivery). By Andres forum habits I would guess that the person is a frontroomer.
Possibly Dutch...
But currently I doesn't have the time to make a more through analysis so:
Vote: Abstain
Crazed Rabbit
01-19-2007, 00:16
Dangit. Is it fair using non-participants? Clever, I suppose.
He's got pretty good ties with Andres.
Any more evidence? I suppose I'll go for it right now, assuming Ichigo goes through with the suicide. Pannonian is suspicious - I'd like a little more info from GH on how he got those names of supposed mafia, as I don't think a detective could investigate so many so quickly.
Unvote: Andres -thestillcunning
Vote: TheStranger
Personally, I still want to know why Proletariat & Sasaki were saved - and by who?
Sasaki- a group of townies, I suspect.
Prole- not enough manpower in a townie kill group.
Crazed Rabbit
In light of the New Informaton...I will have to:
Vote: Beirut
I doubt as to our directors innocence...
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 00:18
I trust GH's list because I got it from another source that he's a doctor, ie. he didn't tell me himself. Admittedly it was the same line of thinking that got me voting Andres in the first place, as I was equally convinced Ichigo is non-Mafia for good reason. But while GH and Ichigo may make mistakes, I don't think they're maliciously manipulating things.
Maybe, maybe not. One mafia could easily say his partner was mafia.
Anyway, there is no point in lynching anyone from the list. If they are mafia they will be killed by mafia. In a day or two we'll know GH's alignment at least and can move from there.
Our time would be much better spent on finding someone suspicious to lynch.
Kralizec
01-19-2007, 00:19
...............:inquisitive:
Andres isn't new. He's also Dutch if that helps any.
Don't let him hear that, he probably will get mad ~;)
Unvote: Andres
Vote: Abstain
I doubt TheStranger is behind this. The PM doesn't look like something he would write.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 00:19
In light of the New Informaton...I will have to:
Vote: Beirut
I doubt as to our directors innocence...
Why do you doubt it exactly?
Big King Sanctaphrax
01-19-2007, 00:20
From my substantial experience of moderating The Stranger's posts, I can say almost certainly that the PM is not him. The english is too good (No offence, TS, it's much better than my Dutch).
However, no native English speaker would take so little care of his verbs as to write
I who wrote this message, am of the Maffia. I think we can conclude that this is one of our European posters, possibly Dutch, as that would tie him to Andres.
Well damn. The Stranger is new and is coming in with new tricks that haven't been thought of yet, he seems tight with Andres so...
Vote: Andres
I would also like to call out GH. You say you are giving us what you know, but who is the friend who gave you that info and how did they come about it?
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 00:26
People are still voting Andres :laugh4:
Pannonian
01-19-2007, 00:27
Well damn. The Stranger is new and is coming in with new tricks that haven't been thought of yet, he seems tight with Andres so...
Vote: Andres
I would also like to call out GH. You say you are giving us what you know, but who is the friend who gave you that info and how did they come about it?
Andres isn't playing. That's what the fuss is about, otherwise he'd have been lynched by a landslide by now.
Crazed Rabbit
01-19-2007, 00:27
Um, Andres isn't playing...
Following BKS's post, I will
Unvote: TheStranger
and await further developments - who's playing and is Dutch?
CR
HughTower
01-19-2007, 00:29
Can I also add that there is no point voting to lynch Beirut? As the director, he is un-lynchable (I think?).
Pannonian
01-19-2007, 00:29
Um, Andres isn't playing...
Following BKS's post, I will
Unvote: TheStranger
and await further developments - who's playing and is Dutch?
CR
Dutch Guy?
GeneralHankerchief
01-19-2007, 00:30
I doubt TheStranger is behind this. The PM doesn't look like something he would write.
Oh really?
It's interesting, because a standout word in that PM was "maffia." With two F's.
Now, a quick search for "maffia" brings some interesting results.
i missed it... couldt be on sooner... i have exam periods now :P really good time... stupid exams.. screwing up my maffia game...
Who wants to be recruited by me?
And that's not the only time where it comes up, oh, no.
For those of you wondering why I signed up but practicly didn't participate in GHC's last maffia game, I was on a vacation for a week long and after that was held up by some other unforeseen events, including a computer breakdown
Godfather 1
I've been following this thread whenever I had the time, but was never in time to vote. Sorry about that.
I have a hunch on who it might be, but given my terrible voting record in the last maffia...
Mafia III
Man, being the first to vote for Silver Rushers execution really makes me proud. Kinda like Joseph McCarthy.
Seriously though, I really thought he was trying to hard to appear innocent.
There were 2 maffia members from the start, right?
Mafia II
~~~~~~~~~
Those were the only games that Kralizec played. I believe he is Dutch, as is Andres.
LYNCH
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 00:30
Dutch guys english is good.
Big King Sanctaphrax
01-19-2007, 00:32
Krazilec does seem like the obvious candidate. His English is good, but not flawless-the PM seems like something he'd write.
I Vote: Krazilec.
Edit: Dammit, I forgot about Dutch_Guy. I'm going to let my vote for Krazilec stand, and see if he defends himself; however I may change to Dutch_Guy depending on discussion.
Crazed Rabbit
01-19-2007, 00:35
The Who the hell are you anyway? A compilation of Orgah summations. thread tells us Kralizec is Dutch.
So, Vote: Kralizec.
Also, Dutch_Guy's english is pretty good, I think.
CR
I will:
Unvote:Beirut...
and wait and see...:inquisitive:
HughTower
01-19-2007, 00:39
I was wondering about those ff's and how to use them. Didn't even cross my mind to think of the search function. Nice job.
I'll watch this carefully & see if he defends himself, before I change my vote.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 00:39
I will:
Unvote:Beirut...
and wait and see...:inquisitive:
Unvote, Vote:Motep
I'm not keen on lynching someone from a pm where bad english could have bene faked, where we don't know if Andres himself wrote it, or many other things. It's just not a winning play. Motep on the other hand jumped on the Beirut baseless wagon, unvoted it when pressed just a little and is now apparently looking for another wagon to join.
Unvote: Andres
Vote: some Dutch speaker (being Doc_Bean, Dutch Guy, Kralizec, Moros, Stig, The Stranger)
It has to be someone active in the Frontroom.
That means Dutch Guy and Krazilec are gone imo.
That leaves Doc, Moros (aka Gertgregoor), Stranger and myself
I know I didn't do it, so that leaves 3
Stranger is Dutch and Andres Belgian. Moros wasn't active if I'm correct, so:
Vote: Doc Bean
Cowhead418
01-19-2007, 00:41
Well, this certainly has been an interesting twist. I would like to know how GH's friend got the dirt on the alleged mafiosi. One possible way GH got that info is that his friend is a sell-out. Unless I'm missing something here, and that some roles have more omniscient powers than I'm aware of, then there has to be a traitor out there (assuming the info is valid). The problem with this theory is that the mafia family who was betrayed would have an easy time smoking out the weasel. Another possible theory is that the "friend" was approached by recruiters for the mafia (or gathered info from others about other recruitment offers) and decided to speak out. Of course, this would involve some incompetency on the part of the mafia. It could also be that GH is lying, or received some faulty info. It really could just be an attempt to stir up a reaction, and to draw attention away.
So we've either got a mafioso who attempted an 'insider' role for the town (but has now been exposed to his family members), a client who wishes to punish his potential employers, or someone who's trying to get a reaction by throwing around rumors. Any other possibilities out there, anyone?
As for voting, I'm not really feeling any 'guilty' vibes from anyone at the moment, so I shall Vote: Abstain for this round.
Big King Sanctaphrax
01-19-2007, 00:42
The grammatical mistake doesn't seem like one Doc would make.
Unvote, Vote:Motep
I'm not keen on lynching someone from a pm where bad english could have bene faked, where we don't know if Andres himself wrote it, or many other things. It's just not a winning play. Motep on the other hand jumped on the Beirut baseless wagon, unvoted it when pressed just a little and is now apparently looking for another wagon to join.
...I am not jumping onto wagons!
Vote: Sasaki
About the spelling mistake.
In Dutch Mafia is written Maffia, so anyone would make that mistake
HughTower
01-19-2007, 00:48
Unvote: Andres
Vote: some Dutch speaker (being Doc_Bean, Dutch Guy, Kralizec, Moros, Stig, The Stranger)
It has to be someone active in the Frontroom.
That means Dutch Guy and Krazilec are gone imo.
That leaves Doc, Moros (aka Gertgregoor), Stranger and myself
I know I didn't do it, so that leaves 3
Stranger is Dutch and Andres Belgian. Moros wasn't active if I'm correct, so:
Vote: Doc Bean
So you can confirm that maffia is a generic Dutch-style spelling of the word, rather than an idiosyncratic spelling mistake?
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 00:48
Yes, well....I have so much infomation...but how much of it to share. :bow: am sorry "maffia" people, it was I who showed GeneralH your message
Hello Pevergreen,
I who wrote this message, am of the Maffia. Let me get to the point at once: we might be interested in recruiting you.
At this point we can't be sure if you're just a regular townie, or have a special role. As you could have derived from the rules, we only may investigate two people every night.
Since we can't be sure of you, you must start earning our trust...if you're interested, of course.
We want you to kill a person. Assuming you're just a regular townie: you'll need to find 3 co-conspirators to carry out a succesful murder. You'll need to do this yourself.
As for your victims: pick one of the following:
Doc_Bean, General Hankerchief or Redleg
Your conspirators may not include: Banquo's Ghost, Beirut, ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, Hepcat, HughTower, Ichigo, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Proletariat, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis. You may not include one from the list of potential victims either, even those you did not select for the kill.
If you manage to pull it off this night-phase, well done. The next nigh-phase would be acceptable as well, however.
You may mention to your fellow conspirators that this act is to bring you into the good graces of one of the crime families (and that they’re also eligible), but you may not mention the contents of this PM.
When you have arranged the conspiracy and sent a PM to Seamus Ferganagh indicating that you want to kill someone from the list of potential victims, PM AndrestheCunning back and ask him to deliver it to his Maffia contact, before Seamus Ferganagh posts the results. When you’ve completed your mission, we just might have a career opening for you.
Signed: a maffioso
I would keep it silent, but i asked General H for some help, and as each one you sent would have been different, you would know anyway.
:cry: Mine Kaiser!
On voting, i Vote: Abstain for now...
So you can confirm that maffia is a generic Dutch-style spelling of the word, rather than an idiosyncratic spelling mistake?
yes I made a post while you were typing ~D
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 00:51
About the spelling mistake.
In Dutch Mafia is written Maffia, so anyone would make that mistake
By search, Sigurd and Peasant Phill have spelled it that way. The dutch thing makes more sense now though.
I still don't think it's particularly useful.
HughTower
01-19-2007, 00:52
yes I made a post while you were typing ~D
Great minds......
Cowhead418
01-19-2007, 00:53
About the spelling mistake.
In Dutch Mafia is written Maffia, so anyone would make that mistakeAh, yes, but a mistake that Krazelic has made several times over the course of many mafia games. I just noticed your post, GH. Good find! The only problem remains is that someone with knowledge like this could have faked it to draw suspicion onto our Dutch members. At any rate, I'm going to see how Krazelic defends himself before casting a vote.
I know doc and Dutch from previous games and they spell mafia with one f...
Hence I am going to go with GH’s find.
Vote: Kralizec
For those who doubt GH’s reveal, I shall at least confirm the part were we conspired together. I only knew about Kage as he would not disclose the others in our little group. Alas, I think we can call our group dissolved.
This only shows how dangerous it is to kill of some of the veterans… as they might get a little vindictive. :yes:
Louis VI the Fat
01-19-2007, 00:55
Hello Ichigo,
I who wrote this message, am of the Maffia. Let me get to the point at once: we might be interested in recruiting you.
At this point we can't be sure if you're just a regular townie, or have a special role. As you could have derived from the rules, we only may investigate two people every night.
Since we can't be sure of you, you must start earning our trust...if you're interested, of course.
We want you to kill a person. Assuming you're just a regular townie: you'll need to find 3 co-conspirators to carry out a succesful murder. You'll need to do this yourself.
As for your victims: pick one of the following:
Banquo's Ghost, Doc_Bean or Proletariat
Your conspirators may not include: Beirut, ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, General Hankerchief, Hepcat, HughTower, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Pevergreen, Redleg, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis. You may not include one from the list of potential victims either, even those you did not select for the kill.
If you manage to pull it off this night-phase, well done. The next nigh-phase would be acceptable as well, however.
You may mention to your fellow conspirators that this act is to bring you into the good graces of one of the crime families (and that they’re also eligible), but you may not mention the contents of this PM.
When you have arranged the conspiracy and sent a PM to Seamus Ferganagh indicating that you want to kill someone from the list of potential victims, PM AndrestheCunning back and ask him to deliver it to his Maffia contact, before Seamus Ferganagh posts the results. When you’ve completed your mission, we just might have a career opening for you.
Signed: a maffioso
This is clearly the work of an educated non-native English speaker.
‘Let me get to the point at once’ instead of straight to the point, ‘get you in good graces’ instead of ‘get you into good graces’. ‘derive from the rules’ ‘we only may’ instead of we may only, ‘Since we can't be sure of you’. ‘You’ve’, ‘you’ll’, ‘can’t’ everywhere, instead of you have, you will or can not.
Some of these constructions would be used by native speakers, but not this many in a single short text. And I didn’t even mention half of them. There are too many of these non-native constructions. And there is a certain ‘unnaturalness’ to the language, and some spelling mistakes that are quite telling: ‘Contents’; ‘3’ not spelled in letters as in proper English; ‘successful’. Success in English has a double s, not a single one as in Flemish. Maffia is also Flemish for the more common single 'f' mafia in English.
This is the work of a Flemish or Dutch speaker, or someone impossibly good at imitating their writing style.
Wait, did I say Flemish? Isn’t AndresTheCunning from Flanders? And a lawyer, that is, an educated non-native English speaker? And isn’t surrealism a Belgian invention?
Compare:
Well actually there is some truth in that.
We have elections next year. Those elections are necessary to change our constitution and to make some important changes in the organisation of our state. Important negotiations are at hand and they might be decisive for the continuation of our country as a whole. If these negotations would fail, we might split up for real in the long run. Our state is currently in transition towards a real federal state and the current chaotic, abominable structure and organisation needs a change asap.
The "strong support for the extremistic party Vlaams belang" exists for a long time. What is new is the current position of the CD&V towards the "staatshervorming" like it is called. The CD&V, which cannot be considered as an "extremistic" party, but as a Center-right one, made some serious and rather hard statements towards the walloons. Off course, alot of walloons call the CD&V also an extremistic party nowadays, allthough their claims are very reasonable and realistic. Calling the CD&V "extremistic" is ridiculous.
Anyway, the timing for this kind of jokes could have been better.
This "joke" also shows the power of the media and how they can make us believe what they want us to believe (it lasted for more then 10 minutes, before they mentioned it was a joke, only after the walloon minister of media demanded it (RTBF is the official walloon tv-station)). Meanwhile alot of walloons were panicking and reacting with fear, disbelief and even anger. Things would have gotten out of hand very easily if it would have last for another 10 or 15 minutes.
A lot of journalists seem to have ruined their reputation, since they've lost a lot of credibility.
The current climate of our country does not leave many room for this kind of jokes and it was dumb. Very dumb and irresponsable.
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 01:00
But all of that can still be faked...hard to do but still possible.
I know doc and Dutch from previous games and they spell mafia with one f...
Hence I am going to go with GH’s find.
If that's true, then:
Unvote: Doc
Vote: Moros
Andres is mainly active in the Frontroom, and Krazilec hasn't been in there for ages really. Moros however is quite active, next to that he's also a Belgian. And they seem to like eachother, in a forumy-sense of way.
Reenk Roink
01-19-2007, 01:01
I am so lost... :dizzy:
Vote: Reenk Roink (courteously) :bow:
PS: Who would win:
:charge: (a kid with a pogo stick pony, a toy sword, and a hyperactive imagination)
or
:fishbowl: (chester the goldfish)
?
Big King Sanctaphrax
01-19-2007, 01:05
I don't see why it would need to be someone active in the Frontroom. Andres posts in the backroom quite a bit.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 01:07
Doing a search, Kralizecs english seems much better than the pm's. Disappointed in how lazy some of the townies are being. If they are indeed townies.
I don't see why it would need to be someone active in the Frontroom. Andres posts in the backroom quite a bit.
The Talk Your Own Language Thread is in the Frontroom
As dawn begins to show its pale gray light I awake from a fitful night of sleep, body drenched in sweat from the nightmares of the past. The words of Chief Fermanagh brought back distant memories of a time past, a small town on the plains, a prairie fire, a horrible serious of murders deep in the dark, long days of death and fear as the vigilantes ran amuck not caring about the truth, only to lynch others on the slightest whim of personal slights and even older wrongs.
As I get out of my bed, I look over to an old wooden chest and begin to think about the contents contained within that ancient chest. Are the instruments of my past needed, or will calmer heads and wisdom prevail with this committee of vigilance.
As the sun breaks the horizon, the news of the nights events brings about a necessity to make a choice.
As the crowd and its mummers begin to grow, the path becomes clear........
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 01:10
Unvote:Abstain
Vote: Redleg
His post above mine makes him scary to me. And for lack of anyone better.
"mummers" are growing :laugh4: I couldnt resist.
Big King Sanctaphrax
01-19-2007, 01:12
You guys voting Beirut are aware he can't be killed, right?
Andres isn't playing. That's what the fuss is about, otherwise he'd have been lynched by a landslide by now
Yes yes. This is what I get for posting while talking on the phone. My mind has been dulled by the end of finals exams. :dizzy2:
Vote changed accordingly...
Louis VI the Fat
01-19-2007, 01:24
Dutch and Flemish players that I can think of:
Aggony Duck
Alexander the Pretty Good
Banquo's Ghost
Beirut
Big King Sanctaphrax
ByzantineKnight
Caius Flaminius
Copperhaired Berzerker
CountArach
Cowhead418
Crazed Rabbit
Destroyer of Hope
Doc_Bean F
Drisos D
Dutch Guy D
General Hankerchief
Hepcat
HughTower
Ichigo [f.k.a. Csar]
Ignoramus
Ironside
Ituralde
JimBob
Kagemusha
Kommodus
Kralizec D
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Louis VI The Fat
Major Robert Dump
Marcusbrutus
Masy
Moros F
Orb
Omanes Alexandropolites
Pannonian
Papewaio
Peasant Phil F
Pevergreen
Pindar
Proletariat
Redleg
Reenk Roink
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sir Boo
Sir Moody
Stig D
theRTWGuru
The Stranger D
Tom Hagen [nom-de-mafia for Don C]
Tribesman
Ultrawar
Warluster
Xdeathfire
Xiahou
Zalmoxis
I may have missed some that I'm unaware of.
Stig, Andres, Doc_Bean, The Stranger are big buddies here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=46824&page=158)
CountArach
01-19-2007, 01:28
Hmmm, to little evidence at this point. There are manywho appear guilty, but nothing that will push my vote one way or the other.
Vote: Abstain
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 01:31
Hmmm, to little evidence at this point. There are manywho appear guilty, but nothing that will push my vote one way or the other.
Vote: Abstain
You can at least comment a little though.
btw, at this rate we'll have 28 rounds!
You guys voting Beirut are aware he can't be killed, right?
Now you now why I changed my vote, Sasaki!
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 01:34
Now you now why I changed my vote, Sasaki!
Why didn't you say so originally then? It sounds like you couldn't think of a good reason until BKS posted that.
Stig, Andres, Doc_Bean, The Stranger are big buddies here
Aye that's why I vote Doc Bean or Moros
Seeing that pm it can't be Stranger, as he doesn't type capitals, and I doubt he would do it for just this once.
And I couldn't have done it for 2 reason:
a. I didn't send the pm
b. I forget words and letters.
which leaves Doc and Moros imo
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 01:36
Also, the rules say nothing about Beirut being unlynchable, they only say he can't be killed. In the past the director position has been lynchable.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 01:37
Aye that's why I vote Doc Bean or Moros
Seeing that pm it can't be Stranger, as he doesn't type capitals, and I doubt he would do it for just this once.
And I couldn't have done it for 2 reason:
a. I didn't send the pm
b. I forget words and letters.
which leaves Doc and Moros imo
Say it comes from a mafia group. Why would they have the person with the most obviously non english writing style write the pm? Unless the entire mafia group is dutch?
Sasaki
Also, the rules say nothing about Beirut being unlynchable, they only say he can't be killed. In the past the director position has been lynchable.
hmmm...he is lynchable, eh?....
CountArach
01-19-2007, 01:38
You can at least comment a little though.
btw, at this rate we'll have 28 rounds!
Alright:
I find the dutch accusation to be somewhat... ludicrous? I would need evidence of what time all of those PMs were sent. If it is slightly later than a normal time for a dutchman to be sending PMs, then I think that it is real, because consider that they would have to have spent a fair bit of time beforehand discussion and fomulating the PM.
EDIT: Typos
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 01:39
I reckon its not from the Mafia.
I believe its just to stir everyone up. We might even see more tonight?
Maybe not..but its hard to figure out when they PM through other people.
I wasnt attacked, was i?
Why would they have the person with the most obviously non english writing style write the pm?
Enough writing styles can be easely spotted. Some never type caps, some always use abbreviations.
This went through Andres, which mostlikely means one of the members is either Dutch or Belgian.
CountArach
01-19-2007, 01:42
I wasnt attacked, was i?
Sorry, got you confused with Proletariat.
Big King Sanctaphrax
01-19-2007, 01:42
Also, the rules say nothing about Beirut being unlynchable, they only say he can't be killed. In the past the director position has been lynchable.
I think we need clarification on this point. It would seem a bit odd if he could be lynched, seeing as he runs the lynchings.
Sorry, got you confused with Proletariat.
A...somewhat...easy mistake...
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 01:45
Enough writing styles can be easely spotted. Some never type caps, some always use abbreviations.
This went through Andres, which mostlikely means one of the members is either Dutch or Belgian.
...well...:laugh4: you may say so if thats what you truely believe...bit I is not particlular y sold an different wrting stilyse :2thumbsup: they are too easy to how will we say FAKe :yes:
Proletariat
01-19-2007, 02:01
Vote: CountArach for confusing me with a guy.
C'mon, just because our names begin with p. His name isn't even capitalised! Confusing me with Pannonian, maybe... hrmph
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 02:11
I declare a vote on everyone who uses "Pevergreen" its "pevergreen"
:shame: To all of you.
CountArach
01-19-2007, 02:16
Vote: CountArach for confusing me with a guy.
C'mon, just because our names begin with p. His name isn't even capitalised! Confusing me with Pannonian, maybe... hrmph
HEHE :grin:
My Bad :rolleyes:
Zalmoxis
01-19-2007, 03:37
There are so many people in the game, that the thread is a bit hard to keep up to date with, but I haven't found any convincing arguments, so..
Vote: Abstain
As Redleg walks to the meeting place of the vigilance committee he ponders on the information that is known, and what can be discerned from the rumors of the towns people.
GeneralHankerchief had been murdered in his sleep with no-one coming forth that witnessed the event. Two others had attempts on their lives, but escaped unharmed. A rumor is being circulated that a foreign element is attempting to recruit members into the mafia, and in order to be enlisted into the mafia one must attempt to murder one of the listed individuals Banquo's Ghost, Doc_Bean or Proletariat, Was the attempt on Proletariat a misstep by an individual desiring to be recruited into the Mafia, was it an attempt by someone desiring to settle an even older score and hide it behind the current trouble, or was it just a warning to the intended victim?
Rumors abound about certain individuals, and the possibility that they are mafia because of the note left behind by the murdered victim. What must be determined is how much of the victim's information is valid and what is speculation.
Who are the wolves wearing sheep clothing? To many rumors and not enough information.
Vote: Abstain for now.
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 04:21
But, to enter the "maffia", others must kill me, or a number of other people.
I would be concerned about those who cant prove that they are who they say they are...i fear them.
TevashSzat
01-19-2007, 04:27
Wow, i finally get home, get on the comp and see in just 24 hours there is 200 more posts and its just the first round. Read over everything in like half and hour but still confused :( :help: and by the way, how could you guys not notice andres wasn't in the game?
Vote: Abstain
Simple really. There are 55+ players are we supposed to remember them all. This game to have a lot of players and I don't see the townies pulling out a victory because there are way too many posts to go through and it'de probably take a good while just to go through all the posts in the next say two rounds there'll probably be around 650-750 posts. I'm sorry to say it, but I highly doubt a townie victory in this game.
I think Seamus should shed some light on this Andres thing cause I don't think it's a fair thing to let happen.
Kommodus
01-19-2007, 05:16
Guess I should get a vote in...
Vote: Kralizec
GH's argument is, IMO, the best lead we have so far.
Major Robert Dump
01-19-2007, 05:28
Am curious about Ichigos co-conspirators in the failed hit on Proleteriat. Just because someone conspired doesnt mean they were actually capable, such as a Don pretending to be a townie in a townie vigilante group and then simply not sending in the PM so the hit fails. The potential for buggery here is endless, and the failed hit could have involved townies, wiseguys and even mafia.
Since you asked to be lynched and are busy in real life I vote: Ichigo
rogue vigilante groups are as big of a danger to the town as the scumbag mafia.
Simple really. There are 55+ players are we supposed to remember them all. This game to have a lot of players and I don't see the townies pulling out a victory because there are way too many posts to go through and it'de probably take a good while just to go through all the posts in the next say two rounds there'll probably be around 650-750 posts. I'm sorry to say it, but I highly doubt a townie victory in this game.
I think Seamus should shed some light on this Andres thing cause I don't think it's a fair thing to let happen
I think your looking at it in the wrong way. The note is an obvious attempt at recruitment, and because it has been publicly disclosed, the individual/individuals who directly posted it, could find themselves an obvious target of retribution by the mafia.
Now others have analysis the message for who might have written it. So no need to address that benefit of the message.
So what might be a valid consideration is the use of a non-game patsy to send the message to the game players. A question of rules is does the game allow for NPC to be used as a Patsy to hide the identity of the individual who wants to recruit for the mafia?
However I find that the message provides far more clues, and even possible misdirection’s to create more discussion around the events. For instance the townies have several puzzles to solve, and with the help of the assigned investigators in the game we can hopefully rapidly solve a few of them. For instance why in the letter sent to you was Banquo's Ghost, Doc_Bean or Proletariat the assigned targets, and why was Beirut, ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, General Hankerchief, Hepcat, HughTower, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Pevergreen, Redleg, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis. Listed as individuals you may not conspire with or target as a victim?
Then the letter that Proletariat posted stated the intended targets are; Banquo's Ghost, Pevergreen, or Sigurd Fafnesbane and her list of non-conspirators and not victims had these names, Beirut, ByzantineKnight, Cowhead418, Doc_Bean, Hepcat, HughTower, Ichigo, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Redleg, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis.
Now to make myself a target of the mafia – since normally I should expect the mafia to strike because I too received the same message as Proletariat and yourself. The intended targets in my message were Ichigo, General Handkerchief or Sigurd Fafnesbane and my non-conspirators and non-victims were Beirut, Byzantine Knight, Cowhead418, Doc_Bean, Hepcat, HughTower, Ignoramus, Kommodus, Kralizec, Pevergreen, Proletariat, Reenk Roink, Sasaki Kojiro, Sir Moody, The Stranger, Ultrawar or Zalmoxis. Now all that needs to be done is to compare the names from each note that was sent. Which would require others to either send them to one party or post them here. So what we have is the following names were listed as targets on three letters. Banquo’s Ghost, Doc Bean, Proletariat, Pevergreen, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Ichigo, and General Handkerchief of those names General Handkerchief is deceased, and Proletariat escaped attack. Since Sasaki Kojiro is not included in the list as a target only as a non-consipator, we have an unknown status about him also. However since Proletariat also received a note we can rule her out as the writer of the message.
Now to the non-conspirator list. One can develop a similar pattern, the number is how many times the name appears.
Beirut -3
Byzantine Knight –3
Cowhead –3
Doc Bean – 2 and as target
Hepcat – 3
Hughtower – 3
Ichigo – received letter, listed as target, listed as non-conspirator
Ignoramus – 3
Kommandus – 3
Kralizec – 3
Pevergreen – 3
Proletariat – received letter, listed as target, listed as non-conspirator,
attempt made
Reenk Roink – 3
Sasaki Kojiro – 3 and attempt made
Sir Moody - 3
The Stranger - 3
Ultrawar - 3
Zalmoxis - 3
Now take and compare the target list to non-cospirator list
Banquo's Ghost - not on list
Doc Bean - on list
Proletariat - on list
Pevergreen - on list
Sigurd Fafnesbane - not on list
Ichigo - on list
General Handkerchief - not on list (deceased)
Now all that needs to be done is to make some conclusions. For instance since Sasaki was not on the list we can assume that on one of the listed names included him. I can also assume that like myself, others were sent the letter in an attempt to recruit them into the mafia, to create distrust within the town, to create a list that when voting to lynch people that the mafia has now supplied a list of names for the people to lynch. This tactic could work very well if the published names are taken to be mafia or wiseguys from the un-informed. For instance General Handercheif also claimed in his after death post that he was informed the following people were mafia.
Reenk Roink - on list
Redleg - on list
Beirut - on list
Stig
Now compare those names to the list. What pattern does one see in this. Then add the analysis of the writing.
Then you have the following quote from Stig
Vote: some Dutch speaker (being Doc_Bean, Dutch Guy, Kralizec, Moros, Stig, The Stranger)
It has to be someone active in the Frontroom.
That means Dutch Guy and Krazilec are gone imo.
That leaves Doc, Moros (aka Gertgregoor), Stranger and myself
I know I didn't do it, so that leaves 3
Stranger is Dutch and Andres Belgian. Moros wasn't active if I'm correct, s
Edit from the names listed here
Dutch Guy - not on list
Krazilec - on list
Doc Bean - on list
Moras (aka Gertgeroor) - not on list
The Stranger - on list
Stig - not on list.
Also in General Handkercheif post he also provides other names and a few claims.
Kagemusha - is claimed to be a wiseguy
Pannonian - is claimed to have known GH was a doctor
Caius Flaminius - might have been told by Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane - claimed by GH to be a townie kill group
Now taking the list provided by another and only using the names pointed out by him as possiblities for writting the note
Dutch Guy D
Peasant Phil F
Stig D
The Stranger D
Along with the statement of Stig, Andres, Doc_Bean, The Stranger are big buddies
Reach a conclusion based upon the information available.
Was it unfair? Only in the sense that the sender did not use an in game patsy. But the information is now there, and can not be undone.
Proletariat
01-19-2007, 06:10
And hey, whoever wrote that email, it came off more condescending than it had any wooing effect (if you even were actually trying to recruit through Andres).
'When you’ve completed your mission, we just might have a career opening for you.'
Oh you just might?!?! Woohoo!! Oh please please please lemme in! Just made me wanna lynch the mafia that much more
Major Robert Dump
01-19-2007, 06:13
I want to think that it was sent out by mafia, with the non-conspirators being people who could cause the plan to not work by joining the kill group then snowballing it (per the example i gave 2 posts ago). this is what I want to think.
But....that was round one. There is no role in the game that could have compiled such a guilty/not guilty list in round one, and getting a list like that from all the PMs floating around between people in round one day one is too far fetched for me to believe.
I sent random "feeler" emails to a few people in hopes I could find some common ground, but either they don't trust me or they say something that spooked me into breaking communication. Based on the small amounts of (possibly unworthy) information I recieved, it would take several people doing what I did and working together to compile a list like that.
I think it was sent by a band of wiseguys who are looking to start their own family. As it stands, each wiseguy needs several kills to become a made, and we've only had one successful kill so far which could have been by a Luca, a band of wiseguys or townies. At this point, theres no way the group of underthugs have made it to mademen, and doing such is going to take 5 turns or more before they can become a real organized threat of mademan rather than wiseguys. In other words, that letter was nothing more than something to send the whole town into a panic, to confuse, to garble, to create more distrust and -- most importantly for the wiseguys looking to organize their own family -- the letter was sent to buy them some time.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
01-19-2007, 08:03
Sorry, but,
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Kralizec
01-19-2007, 08:27
:dizzy2:
Oh really?
It's interesting, because a standout word in that PM was "maffia." With two F's.
Now, a quick search for "maffia" brings some interesting results.
.............
Mafia III
Mafia II
~~~~~~~~~
Those were the only games that Kralizec played. I believe he is Dutch, as is Andres.
LYNCH
GH, those games were moths ago. Before the gameroom was even created. YOu're saying it was me because of 2 spelling mistakes I made last year, when any Dutch speaking guy could type like that :inquisitive:
I don't even know Andres very well and he wouldn't have been my first choice if I had to resort to somethign like that. And I wouldn't be so stupid to pick a Dutch or Flemish guy wich would make myself suspicious
:wall:
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 08:32
Sorry, but,
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
because?
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 08:49
Also, could we get a vote count?
Lord Winter
01-19-2007, 08:57
I think the dutch witchhunt we've gotten into is a red hearing, most likley planted by the mafioso. We've seen how effective they were in Mafia V, why not use them now? Under this logic it would be logical to vote for Ichigo, but he said he was going to commit sucidie. That and the fact that I have little time leads me to:
Vote: Abstain (Courteously)
ByzantineKnight
01-19-2007, 09:52
About that Dutch/Flemish Witchhunt, it does not necessarily have to be anyone Dutch or Flemish, it could very well be any non-native english speaker, we forgot the "mispelling theory" that could have been the case...
I don't know who I beleve should be linched so...
Vote: Abstain
ByzantineKnight
Omanes Alexandrapolites
01-19-2007, 10:05
because?
There is just a strange sense that I have that inspires me to think you may be mafia or pro-mafia. I may be wrong though, so please show me mercy, since I'm a reasonably new player.
Ituralde
01-19-2007, 10:40
First I'd like to congratulate Seamus for hosting ths superb game, that has already become a Mafia classic, in my eyes, not least for the AndrestheCunning bandwagon. Hilarious!
Now let's see what transpired. I may repeat somethings mentioned by others, but with so many posts I guess it can't hurt to repeat some stuff lest it gets missed.
Sasaki was attacked by several individuals and then saved by three people, leading to the conclusion that a Townie group attacked and another Townie group defended him.
Proletariat on the other hand was saved by one individual. I don't understand where the clues for a small kill group come into play.
Now Ichigos reveal seems pretty genuine to me and I'm inclined to beleive him, given the other evidence we have gotten from other people receiving a recruiting message. Although I respect the effort Redleg has put into analyzing the people mentioned in that PM I think it has gone beyond us to control them anymore. With the information available in this thread anyone can take AndrestheCunnings original PM and just insert all the names he likes. Also the Dutch/Flemish-witchhunt is leading us nowhere. Have you considered that AndrestheCunning could really have written the PM and just gotten instructions to its contents: Give those three names as targets, don't let those guys be lynched and add some yadda-yadda about Mafia recruiting.
We should keep the things mentioned in mind but don't read too much into it please.
Then comes GHs reveal, who is obviously pissed at getting killed so early. While I can understand his sentiments I'm not really buying his reveal. So he's claiming to be doctor but then posts a PM from a townie which he has accquired somehow? Now, if I were doctor I would post my doctor PM to prove this. Currently I don't think GH is really helping the town. His claims of forming a townie group may be correct, but all in all I think he was Mafia and no tries to confuse the town by throwing names around.
Just remember that with several Mafia families, nobody that is killed can be seen as innocent. Everyone is suspicious.
Well that covers most of the happenings so far. With so many people floating around a lynching shouldn't hurt the town too much.
Vote: Omanes Alexandrapolites
His reason for voting Sasaki is just ridiculous and I don't see him contributing.
HughTower
01-19-2007, 11:09
Nice analysis by Redleg, & succinct summation by Ituralde. Personally, I don't find the 'maffia' mispelling & idiosyncratic language (as analysed by louis) a red herring at all, but think it rings more or less true. I think the use of an outside figure to send the recruitment PM is brilliant, and should be considered completely valid. I also think that a lynching would help things, given the size of the field & the information we'll learn in few day's time about them. My shortlist is then (in no particular order):
Proletariat (for reasons I've given earlier that she was protected, maybe by a Luca)
Moros (for the Flemish thing)
Reenk Roink (for voting for himself to be lynched)
Speaking of the devil :devil:
Just passing by to say how much fun I have had so far reading all your theories :laugh4:
Guess I'll have to change my name in "AndresTheBastard" after this.
:laugh4:
Andres isn't new. He's also Dutch if that helps any.
Kill Ichigo. Calling me Dutch. GAH!
Omanes Alexandrapolites
01-19-2007, 11:37
Mistake over:
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Abstain
I really don't know who to vote for, I feel that Sasaki is dangerous, yet there is no definitive proof, so I henceforth vote for nobody in particular.
ByzantineKnight
01-19-2007, 11:45
Proletariat (for reasons I've given earlier that she was protected, maybe by a Luca)
Oh yah, I had forgotten about that, I don't think I agree with CrazedRabbit about it being a "insufficent members" attempted kill...
If it was a Insufficent Member attempted kill then it would have been more like "She cried out and her attackers seeing that the townspeople were coming to her aid and they were not powerful enough to withstand the tide of newcomers; fled" or something like that (or Seamus might not even have mentioned the attack).
If it was a doctor/surgeon save it would have said the doctor managed to heal her wounds or the like.
It cannot be a self-save, thus I think, by elimination, that it must have been a Luca save. Which coincidentaly could have had that write-up.
Vote: Proletariat
(No offence)
ByzantineKnight
Edit: I'm not quite sure I trust Ichigo either, but I'll let that go for now.
doc_bean
01-19-2007, 11:52
My god, this game is going to take over my life if people keep posting this much.
Okay: first Andres, he is indeed Flemish, not Dutch and posts a lot in the TYOLT, as do a lot of people playing here, including Drisos, Stig, TheStranger, me and quite a few others pop up occasionally. So this would point to one of us Dutch speakers, especially with the 'maffia' mistake. Then again it might be a set up.
Andres is also quite an active greeter in the Entrance hall and plays PBM games I believe, and as mentioned before, he shouldn't be unknown to Backroomers.
Second: the names in the PM. Someone seems to be out for my blood, I showed up as a possible target on most of the PMs sent. I find it odd that Stig would still accuse me of sending them anyway. The fact that so many people got mentioned, and different people got mentioned might indicate that the person who actually made them enjoys chaos. For some reason TheStranger seems like someone who would enjoy something like this. Then again, I'd also see Sasaki pulling a stunt like this. Heck, even I appreciate a stunt like this (not that I would have done it, the A_Friend fiasco makes me think twice about pulling stunts, though perhaps that gave some people here an idea ?)
Third: Why are Townies going around killing people ??? Are those involved that desperate to become mafiosi ? Do the honourable thing and stay with the town folks, crime doesn't pay.
Last (Seamus please listen): Can we get a list of everyone involved in the game and the number of votes they've gotten ? And possibly an extension of the voting time ? There are so many people playing along, a lot of them in different time zones that it so much happens 'over night'. Dutch_Guy got lynched in Graffiti Mafia without getting the chance of defending himself and I suspect it would be even easier here to start a bandwagon against someone while they're asleep or at work.
I find it odd that Stig would still accuse me of sending them anyway.
tbh I didn't think of that, but then it could be bluffing.
Unvote: Moros
Vote: Proletariat
reasons Hughtower mentioned
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btw it will be difficult to keep track of all this voting, you have to read back about 5 pages to see what everyone votes.
Wouldn't it be better that everyone who votes ends it's post with a spoiler.
In it will be a list of all the players in game and the amount of votes:
like this
I post:
fakevote: John
john 1
jack
pete 2
mary
hugh 1
The next player then posts:
fakevote: jack
john 1
jack 1
pete 2
mary
hugh 1
etc etc
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 12:47
is everyone ignoring the PM i got? in Spoil tag at top of page 13. If you think mine is faked, i can get screenshot proof... But that can be faked cant it?
doc_bean
01-19-2007, 12:52
is everyone ignoring the PM i got? in Spoil tag at top of page 13. If you think mine is faked, i can get screenshot proof... But that can be faked cant it?
We've done nothing but talk about those PMs !
I think posting screenshots is against the rules BTW.
Oh yeah, forgot to add this last time: vote:abstain , for now.
Big King Sanctaphrax
01-19-2007, 14:20
After reading Krazilec's post, I've noticed that his writing style doesn't quite seem to fit with the PM. Therefore I Unvote: Krazilec.
How long will the voting continue?
Seamus Fermanagh
01-19-2007, 14:20
is everyone ignoring the PM i got? in Spoil tag at top of page 13. If you think mine is faked, i can get screenshot proof... But that can be faked cant it?
Screenshots are specifically forbidden.
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 14:26
Good, thank you for that Seamus, but can the director be lynched? Or have i missed the post saying yes/no?
My voting changes, once more.
Unvote: Redleg
Vote: Krazilec
HughTower
01-19-2007, 14:27
After reading Krazilec's post, I've noticed that his writing style doesn't quite seem to fit with the PM. Therefore I Unvote: Krazilec.
How long will the voting continue?
About 3 1/2 hours.
Seamus Fermanagh
01-19-2007, 14:32
A few notes:
Voting is open until 2pm Eastern today.
-- Counter Question: Is 22-24 hours really not enough? That has never been the case before, but we've never had this many playing. Or would 24 hours be enough with a different point in the day? PM me with thoughts and if I see a better way I will modify the procedures.
Current vote count:
Abstain = 11
Andres = 4
Arach = 1
Beirut = 1
Ichigo = 1
Kralizec = 3
Motep = 1
Omanes = 1
Proletariat = 3
Redleg = 1
Reenk Roink = 3
Sasaki = 1
Stranger = 1
If abstainers actually want a "no lynch" they'll need to change.
Currently, you're putting Andres under the axe. This is rather cruel as he isn't in the list of players. Still, that'll set him straight right from the get-go!:laugh4:
As to Andres' participation. I received a request to pass PM's anonymously to recipients in the game. I responded that I would not do so, as anything coming from me might be thought "official" and that my GM role was the only neutral one. I also responded that the tactic itself would not be illegal.
Mafia is a game that revels in deception....someone(s) here simply took it to a new level.
unvote: The Stranger
Vote: Krazilec
With the information surfacing about the Dutch spelling of Mafia and also the lack of idioms, yet professional English in the letters, I think Krazilec is the mastermind behind this.
Kralizec
01-19-2007, 14:46
I tell you, it wasn't me! Its not as if I'm the only one here who knows Dutch :furious3: And it's Kralizec, not Krazilec.
Vote: Reenk Roink
out of self-preservation.
Unvote:abstain
Vote:no lynch
Just not enough information for me to vote on a lynching
Kagemusha
01-19-2007, 14:53
I can confirm that what GH sayed is true.We were going to start a vigilante group but becouse we didnt have enough data we decided to call of the killing of Sasaki.Now becouse i believe that GH was infact telling the truth.I suggest to start lynching the possible mafia guys who GH named:
Reenk Roink
Redleg
Beirut
Stig
So based on this info : Vote: Reenk Roink
AggonyDuck
01-19-2007, 14:56
After reading the thread through more closely a change of opinion has occured in me. Kralizec seems to fit perfectly as the Dutch mafioso who's responsible for the PM's. Hence:
Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Kralizec
N'oubliez pas que mon français n'est pas mal non plus.
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 15:16
No idea what that is, but
:bow:to Andres, :wink: you left a * out, just so "you" and 'you' know what im talking about :bow:
I can confirm that what GH sayed is true. We were going to start a vigilante group but becouse we didnt have enough data we decided to call of the killing of Sasaki.Now becouse i believe that GH was infact telling the truth.I suggest to start lynching the possible mafia guys who GH named:
Reenk Roink
Redleg
Beirut
Stig
So based on this info : Vote: Reenk Roink
So you agree with the statements of GH that stated you are at least a wiseguy wantabe?
I told the following people this role: Kagemusha and Pannonian. I believe Kage may have told some others such as Caius Flaminius. Kagemusha claims the role of wiseguy. Pannonian claims townie.
Unvote:no lynch
Vote:Kagemusha
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 15:21
Hmmm...not to tarnish GH, but i believe his mafia list...to a point. But i am starting to doubt his reveal.
If he was a doctor, and he wanted to live past the first round, why didnt he protect himself. i would have.
Kagemusha
01-19-2007, 15:21
I am wiseguy but that doesnt mean im guilty and mafioso as it seems you are Red.~;) In couple turns i think im ordinary townie.I already slept one night.
I am wiseguy but that doesnt mean im guilty and mafioso as it seems you are Red.~;) In couple turns i think im ordinary townie.I already slept one night.
Ah more confession of being connected to the desire to be mafioso. :oops:
Kagemusha
01-19-2007, 15:30
Ah more confession of being connected to the desire to be mafioso. :oops:
Well i think sleeping the night is also a fatal proof of that.What were you doing the last night my friend?~:)
HughTower
01-19-2007, 15:30
Looks like it's Kralizec 5, Reenk Roink 4, Proletariat 3 on the leaderboard. Discounting those who are still riding the Andres Wagon to Nowhere, of course.
Kralizec, at least, is having the decency to defend himself, whilst, as I've mentioned elsewhere, RR voted to lynch himself, & Proletariat was strangely saved, & both are silent.
Well i think sleeping the night is also a fatal proof of that.What were you doing the last night my friend?~:)
Well it seems I have described what I was doing last night in a previous post.
Kagemusha
01-19-2007, 15:34
Well it seems I have described what I was doing last night in a previous post.
Allright.In that case you shouldnt have any problems telling us what your role is becouse there is no doubt that becouse you are on GH´s list a detective will investigate you next night.
Looks like it's Kralizec 5, Reenk Roink 4, Proletariat 3 on the leaderboard. Discounting those who are still riding the Andres Wagon to Nowhere, of course.
Kralizec, at least, is having the decency to defend himself, whilst, as I've mentioned elsewhere, RR voted to lynch himself, & Proletariat was strangely saved, & both are silent.
Proletariat could be assumed to be mafia at this time. The describtion of her save sounds very much like a Luca prevented her would be assination.
But I am still working through the claim and now confession of Kagemusha of being a wiseguy. So my vote still remains the same.
Seamus Fermanagh
01-19-2007, 15:36
If he was a doctor, and he wanted to live past the first round, why didnt he protect himself. i would have.
It is specifically prohibited. This, by the way, is a normal limitation for the Doctor role in the vast majority of mafia games -- not just peculiar to mine. An unkillable Doctor would quickly reveal herself to prevent lynching and then weed out mafia without risk -- hardly sportin'.
Allright.In that case you shouldnt have any problems telling us what your role is becouse there is no doubt that becouse you are on GH´s list a detective will investigate you next night.
The clues are all present in the discussion so far. Any investigation will find me clean.
Proletariat
01-19-2007, 15:43
Not sure why so much is being read into how I was saved. It's just the write up. Unless you guys think Seamus was sent how I was to be killed, and then how I was to be saved. Doesn't seem very likely, but eh, looks like the band wagon is rolling.
Beyond the Andres PMs we don't have too too much to go on still, after 633267 first round posts, but I say we lynch all the Dutch players for the hell of it. The only person so far who seems completely innocent is Csar, but maybe he's a Dutch patsy
Unvote: CountA
Vote: Tribesman
Let's get some lurkers talking.
(Vote will most likely change, if I can get to a pc before the deadline)
Ituralde
01-19-2007, 15:53
Redleg, those informations really shouldn't come as a surprise to you.
I told the following people this role: Kagemusha and Pannonian. I believe Kage may have told some others such as Caius Flaminius. Kagemusha claims the role of wiseguy. Pannonian claims townie.
Kagemusha is just confirming this, and the mere fact that you are a wiseguy/gal doesn't make you Mafia it just puts you in a better situation if you want to become one.
I'm really not doubting that part of GHs reveal, as his information has been confirmed by Pannonian also. That doesn't make the rest of his statement true by default though. And just wildly throwing names around from some alleged contact is not really getting us anywhere. And besides GHs credibility, there's also the credibility of his contact and his original source to consider.
Although why GH would reveal his doctor role right from the start boggles my mind. Just thinking of the implications... have to think this through before I'll do anything else.
Unvote: Omanes Alexandrapolites
Vote: Abstain
Redleg, those informations really shouldn't come as a surprise to you.
Who was surprised?
Kagemusha is just confirming this, and the mere fact that you are a wiseguy/gal doesn't make you Mafia it just puts you in a better situation if you want to become one.
Asking direct questions is a way to confirm or deny the claim, and to discover intent.
Unvote:Kagemusha
Vote: No lynch
Dutch_guy
01-19-2007, 16:05
Beyond the Andres PMs we don't have too too much to go on still, after 633267 first round posts, but I say we lynch all the Dutch players for the hell of it. The only person so far who seems completely innocent is Csar, but maybe he's a Dutch patsy
Well, I'm not in favour of that - obviously :book: . Why not lynch all the Americans, as one of those might be a mafioso ~;) Or all the Kage's, since they're wiseguys.
After reading the five pages that I missed, I still haven't seen any proof whatsoever that a player's guilty. However, the tactic the mafioso have obviously chosen (killing rather experienced, troublesome players) is a risky one. We all know we can't possibly stop Sasaki from posting, god knows we've tried in numerous other games - to no avail. So why waste a potential kill on him, especially since he's a player who tends to get protected the first round as well!
That said, I'm not going to vote this round (well, I'm abstaining) as I'd like to see how the game unfolds. So far, nothing conclusive.
Vote:abstain.
:balloon2:
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 16:12
This is so entertaining for my first game.
The mysterious Maffia. Yes not mysterious anymore...just unknown. I can say however, they are Dutch/Flemish. If they were on the list they did not say. Yes i am in contact with them.
Vote:Abstain
This can become a war.Have you think in the fact the mafiosos can be from different nationalities?This is leading to nothing.
Well, I will be following this from other place.
Proletariat
01-19-2007, 16:14
The Dutch thing wasn't meant very seriously, but like you, I'm stumped after the first round.
Banquo's Ghost
01-19-2007, 16:17
Lots of interesting theories developed, but none compelling.
If we believe that Seamus is relating stories that include clues rather than just random descriptions (which I hope to be the case as it gives us something to chew over) then I am suspicious of Proletariat.
Redleg's identification of Kagemusha's error brings him to the top of my list too, and the Kralizec theory has some, but not many legs.
There is too little to go on for any certainty, and as I am known to be a soft touch for innocence, you won't be surprised to hear that I:
Vote: No lynch
pevergreen
01-19-2007, 16:23
Maybe i should stop making myself look like i know stuff...
Hmm off to bed now anyway.
Kagemusha
01-19-2007, 16:36
I have changed my mind on the lynch.Unvote Reenk Roink and Vote Kralizec
Kralizec
01-19-2007, 16:41
I can say however, they are Dutch/Flemish. If they were on the list they did not say. Yes i am in contact with them.
This person has told you that? You must be pretty gullible :inquisitive:
anyway: :thumbsdown:
doc_bean
01-19-2007, 16:42
vote: Kage
Might as well try to lynch a wiseguy beofre he becomes a mafioso.
Big King Sanctaphrax
01-19-2007, 16:47
In the absence of any really compelling arguments, and not believing in Krazilec's guilt any more, I'm going to Vote: Reenk. He was on GH's list.
Proletariat
01-19-2007, 17:33
Unvote: Tribesy
Vote: Kralizec
Still makes the most sense so far, however little that is.
Major Robert Dump
01-19-2007, 17:38
while I would like to remind everyone that Ichigo was involved in a bad killing as a possible made/wiseguy group and he deserves to be lynched, it doesn't look like my vote for him will get any result....this round.
On that note, we need to lynch someone, anyone, so of the few people who have multiple votes I therefore:
unvote: Ichigo
Vote: Kralizec
HughTower
01-19-2007, 17:40
Right, since Prole has at least made an effort to post in her defence, then I've decided to move my vote onto Reenk Roink for voting to lynch himself.
Unvote: Proletariat
Vote: Reenk Roink
Louis VI the Fat
01-19-2007, 17:46
Doc_Bean F
Drisos D
Dutch Guy D
Kralizec D
Moros (GertGregoor) F
Peasant Phil F
Stig D
The Stranger D
I took the liberty to run Andres' PM through a text-comparison program earlier today, and compared it to some posts I took from the Backroom from all of these guys. We can now safely assume it was not written by: Doc_Bean, Dutch Guy and The Stranger.
It was most probably not written by Andres himself either. Also, why would Andres speak of himself in the third person: 'When you have arranged the conspiracy and sent a PM to Seamus Ferganagh indicating that you want to kill someone from the list of potential victims, PM AndrestheCunning back'. And on top of that, why would he misspell his own name? It's TheCunning, with capital 'T'.
Drisos, Moros (GertGregoor) and Peasant Phil are long shots. It was most closely related to the writing style of Stig and Kralizec.
Now the fun thing is, guess whose name was also on GH's mafia list?
Reenk Roink
Redleg
Beirut
Stig
What says you to this, Stig?
"you'll need to find 3 co-conspirators to carry out a succesful murder".
Also, Kralizec, can you please explain why you, just like in the forged PM of your hand, always (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=61515) misspell successful as 'succesful'? And why you always spell mafia with double F too?
None of the other Dutch speakers do both. :juggle2:
N'oubliez pas que mon français n'est pas mal non plus.Yes, my friend, your French is not bad either. Better than the English of the PM. Your mafia friend nonetheless is dead meat though. :beam:
I think I'm going to have myself a Dutch treat tonight, I'll bring a fine bottle of Bordeaux.
Vote: Kralizec.
Major Robert Dump
01-19-2007, 18:06
its funny that in a game this big the people who ask to be lynched get pushed to the back of the table so we can indulge in our conspiracy theories. Please, please, keep a list of all the suicidal players thus far, that way we don't even have to debate future lynchings.
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 18:20
Reenk Roink: About the only thing against him is his being on GH's list. The movement against him is pure bandwagon.
Proletariat: I sincerely doubt that Seamus would write the kill descriptions in such a way as to reveal who was a mafia Don.
Kralizec: Don't think the pm was written by him. He could have asked Andres to write it though. However, I've heard some pretty damning things about him through the grape vine.
Unvote, Vote:Kralizec
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 18:24
Oh yah, I had forgotten about that, I don't think I agree with CrazedRabbit about it being a "insufficent members" attempted kill...
If it was a Insufficent Member attempted kill then it would have been more like "She cried out and her attackers seeing that the townspeople were coming to her aid and they were not powerful enough to withstand the tide of newcomers; fled" or something like that (or Seamus might not even have mentioned the attack).
If it was a doctor/surgeon save it would have said the doctor managed to heal her wounds or the like.
It cannot be a self-save, thus I think, by elimination, that it must have been a Luca save. Which coincidentaly could have had that write-up.
Right, I said this last post but I think it's needs to be reiterated. It doesn't follow in the slightest that the kill writeup reveals mafia. That's against the spirit of the game and Seamus has put too much thought into it to mess it up. Proletariat was saved by her luca or by a doctor I would think. I haven't read the kill description that closely but someone earlier mentioned a townie group that wasn't big enough being responsible for the failure.
Sir Moody
01-19-2007, 18:30
unvote andres
Vote abstain
im lost...
Reenk Roink
01-19-2007, 18:45
Why do you guys hate me so much? :sad:
I don't even have a clue what is going on in this game yet (currently on Page 12) and I'm a major lynch suspect and I don't even know why? :no:
Let me leave you all with a bit of advice:
:cheerleader: Don't kill strippers...
(Courtesy of The North Pole Gentlemen's Club :santa2:)
Major Robert Dump
01-19-2007, 18:52
I would be willing to bet that the detectives were given the names of at least a few innocents so they had the chance to organize a townie protection squad. It would make sense afterall. There are many ways people can be targeted and saved.
Kralizec
01-19-2007, 19:01
Et tu, Sasaki?
:skull:
Major Robert Dump
01-19-2007, 19:05
What does that mean I don't speak Japanese
What says you to this, Stig?
Whatever I say I will give my role away.
If I say GH is right I will get lynched
If I say he's wrong I can get killed
All I can say is:
I didn't do anything last night, I slept, which means I can still be anyone
It was most closely related to the writing style of Stig and Kralizec.
Sorry, but have you ever read any of my posts?
Dutch_guy
01-19-2007, 19:16
Sorry, but have you ever read any of my posts?
He put it in some sort of program, right ? That would mean he would not have had to read any of them :laugh4:
However, I daresay he has read a lot of your posts.
:balloon2:
Alexander the Pretty Good
01-19-2007, 19:30
Vote: Abstain. Courteously!
I'm not very good at this... :book:
The Stranger
01-19-2007, 19:36
vote: No Lynch
HAH!...
Illistrous savings
My money goes nowhere
Therefore I'm rich
Hence my nickname Greed
Except that I do spend much
Do not attack me
Or you'll be sorry
Nor life nor death shall save you of my wrath!
Noone's voted for me yet.
I feel left out.
Seamus Fermanagh
01-19-2007, 20:19
Right, I said this last post but I think it's needs to be reiterated. It doesn't follow in the slightest that the kill writeup reveals mafia. That's against the spirit of the game and Seamus has put too much thought into it to mess it up. Proletariat was saved by her luca or by a doctor I would think. I haven't read the kill description that closely but someone earlier mentioned a townie group that wasn't big enough being responsible for the failure.
As a matter of game mechanics (mentioned in the role sheets):
1. Any attempt to kill someone will generate part of the narrative for that night.
2. ANY of the following could generate a narrative of a failed murder:
a) Protection by a Doctor
b) Protection by a Luca
c) Protection by a Surgeon [chance for would be killer to die]
d) Protection by a Townie Group
e) Attack by a group lacking sufficient numbers or the right type of role-players to effectively perform the attack. In the case of a Townie operating solo, the kill not only fails, but the Townie has a 1 in 3 chance of ending up dead. The same is true of a failed solo effort at protection.
f) Specia effects associated with one of the Secret roles.
3. My narratives will allude to some of these possibilities, but well never do so in a fashion that is definitive. This is, after all, more "film noir" than documentary....:evilgrin:
Seamus Fermanagh
01-19-2007, 20:26
Day Two Voting Closed -- Evening Meeting/Lynch to follow as soon as written up.
Seamus Fermanagh
01-19-2007, 22:09
Ask the Green Man where he comes from, ask the cup that fills with red.
Ask the old grey standing stones who show the sun his way to bed.
Question all as to their ways, and learn the secrets that they hold.
-- Ian Anderson, 1977
Sunset, Day Two
Beirut looked up from his recount of the votes. He seemed to gulp, then straightened himself and spoke clearly,
“Kralizec…”
Kralizec looked up in shock at his name.
“…you have received the most votes from the committee and are hereby condemned. Do you wish to be hanged or to meet the axe?"
“This is insane,” shouted Kralizec! He jumped to his feet. Others rose as well.
“But the plurality of votes is yours, according to the procedures TosaInu outlined, you are the one who must die.”
Kralizec turned to leave. “I’m outta here!”
But the path was blocked. He faced a thick semi-circle of faces – some confused, a few carefully “neutral” – but could not step past.
“I didn’t send those messages! You gotta believe me…”
He backed up, but the committee pushed forward. Kralizec raced for a door at the back of the room, bursting through it to find himself on the balcony overlooking the boardwalk. The others rushed after him.
He leapt the railing and the 12’ down to the boardwalk, but landed poorly, his ankle snapping with an audible <<crack>>. Hobbled, he couldn’t race away from the others fast enough to make a break for it. He hopped and ran, pain shooting up his leg with every motion, but the mob piled out of the back doors after him and soon had him hemmed in at the end of the amusement pier – now closed for the winter.
“Face your death with dignity, Kralizec,” said Beirut, trying to maintain a sense of decorum – but only just fending off the mob behind him.
“I didn’t send those messages!”
A voice from the back muttered, “But we don’t care.”
Kralizec’s face fell, then took on the sense of dignity Beirut called for.
“Then I’ll see you all in Hell.”
Before Beirut or the others could close the gap, Kralizec swung himself over the far railing and plummeted 30 feet into the water.
With a broken ankle, he could not swim well; certainly not well enough to counter the rip tide this storm had created. Within 10 minutes he was dead. Exposure? Drowning? No one would ever be sure. The remains that washed up on Staten Island 12 days later were only identified via fingerprints.
Shivering with cold, the chastened mob who had just watched Kralizec fade into the mist, struggling and failing against the tide, returned to the meeting room at the convention center.
When they returned, they were all stunned to find Ichigo lying on the floor. He had been shot between the eyes sometime during the mad rush to chase Kralizec. A note was pinned to his lapel – one of those mafia recruiting notes. On the back was written: “Walloon sympathizers beware. We will not be anyone’s fall guys anymore.” It was signed AndrestheCunning.
Stunned, the entire group was standing around in shock when Chief Fermanagh strode in.
“What’s all this then?”
After a few minutes of discussion, and an even longer time while the body was removed, the Chief stood at the lectern facing the chastened group.
“I hope you got one of them Gangsters this evening. I pray God you did.”
Seamus paused.
“But I suspect it’s not enough. I’m virtually certain based on last nights shenanigans that there’re more than one of them to be dealt with. You’ll have to keep the Committee going.”
Banquo’s Ghost looked as though he were nauseated...but said nothing.
“I must also report yet another death,” said Seamus. “A couple of my lads were over at the “Six Still in Chains” pub this afternoon. They’d gone in to get…uh…sandwiches when they found Tribesman collapsed in a corner booth. It’s pretty dark back there, so nobody had seen him. Apparently, he came in last night, ordered a case of Tullamore Dew, and then drank the lot. One witness said she’d seen him sitting there downing a shotglass, muttering “Slainte,” and then repeating it as fast as he could. The coroner confirmed acute alcohol poisoning and we’re holding the witness to question why she didn’t call for help, but it appears he’d had enough and just drank himself to death.”
A few indistinct murmers answered him.
“Good luck tonight – the police’ll do what we can. We’ll meet again tomorrow. Beirut will oversee tomorrows voting and we’ll also conduct the vote for his replacement.”
Fermanagh exited quickly, a look of worried concern on his face.
OOC:
The Specifics Thus Far:
Murdered: GeneralHankerchief (N1)
Attacked: Proletariat (N1), Sasaki Kojiro (N1)
Lynched: Kralizec (D2)
Suicided: Ichigo (D2), Tribesman (D2)
WoGged: Nobody, and please keep it that way
Voting Specifics – Day Two Session
Abstain = 14 (Aggony Duck, Caius Flaminius, CountArach, Cowhead418, Destroyer of Hope, dutch_guy, Ichigo, Ironside, Ituralde, Masy, Omanes Alexandropolites, Sir Moody, Xdeathfire, Zalmoxis)
Kralizec = 10 (AggonyDuck, Crazed Rabbit, Kagemusha, Kommodus, Luigi VI de Fatlington, Major Robert Dump, Orb, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Reenk Roink = 5 (Big King Sanctaphrax, HughTower, Kralizec, Pannonian, Reenk Roink!)
No Lynch = 3 (Banquo’s Ghost, Redleg, The Stranger)
AndrestheCunning = 3 (JimBob, Sir Boo, Warluster)
Proletariat = 2 (ByzantineKinght, Stig)
Beirut = 1 (Tom_Hagen)
Ichigo = 1 (UltraWar)
Kagemusha = 1 (doc_bean)
Redleg = 1 (pevergreen -- e.e.cummings style this time)
Not Voting = 14 (Beirut [director], Copperhaired Bezerker, Drisos, Hepcat, Ignoramus, MarcusBrutus, Moros, Papewaio, Peasant Phil, Pindar, theRTWGuru, Tribesman, Xiahou)
No PM & No Votes = CH Bezerker (limited posts), MarcusBrutus (limited posts), Moros (no contact), Papewaio (no contact). Please help these folks back into the swing if possible.
AndrestheCunning should PM me and I’ll swot up a role for him! He was almost lynched in absentia!
Please note, both suicides were at the request of the players themselves, the rest is narration.
PM’s for night session #2 if you please – FROM EVERYONE please. Night session #2 will conclude at 2000 HRS EST, 1/20/7. (Longer time limit with weekend present).
Sasaki, kindly add this to the information thread. Thank you.
The Stranger
01-19-2007, 22:39
HAH!, no vote for me! survived round 2... i think im getting a tattoo > II and add I for every round...
ill keep posting this...
Illistrous savings
My money goes nowhere
Therefore I'm rich
Hence my nickname Greed
Except that I do spend much
Do not attack me
Or you'll be sorry
Nor life nor death shall save you of my wrath!
Sasaki Kojiro
01-19-2007, 22:41
What does it mean?
The Stranger
01-19-2007, 22:55
it contains a small riddle... i know a few things...
Kralizec
01-19-2007, 23:17
:idea2:
you little ba...:inquisitive:
Pannonian
01-19-2007, 23:22
Whatever happens during the night, execute The Stranger the following round. Another attention-seeker, he's boasting about his role in the game.
Illistrous savings
My money goes nowhere
Therefore I'm rich
Hence my nickname Greed
Except that I do spend much
Do not attack me
Or you'll be sorry
Nor life nor death shall save you of my wrath!
I'M THE DON
Lynch him.
The Stranger
01-19-2007, 23:23
hush... you are dead...
Dutch_guy
01-19-2007, 23:59
hush... you are dead...
Why so obvious though ?
If it's even true, though....
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
01-20-2007, 00:16
meh, maybe that should be counted as suicide.
Sorry i've been so inactive its very difficult to sift through the posts... I agree even if Stranger is jsut mucking around do we reelly want to take that risk?
Looks like I missed alot......
meh, maybe that should be counted as suicide.
even Stranger isn't that stupid ... tho now you mention it :bounce:
CountArach
01-20-2007, 01:04
I'm betting he is another mafia member "Taking the hit" for the don and taking one for the team, making us think we killed the Don, when really we didn't.
I'm betting he is another mafia member "Taking the hit" for the don and taking one for the team, making us think we killed the Don, when really we didn't.
Or, he is full of $%^& as always...
CountArach
01-20-2007, 01:12
Or, he is full of $%^& as always...
Well.. there is that...
Lord Winter
01-20-2007, 01:28
A few thoughts:
First of all bandwagoning is far to rampant in this game. It would be extreamly easy for a mafia member to just vote with the crowd and de facto lurk.
Secondly, I am exteremly supious of GH revel. Where did you get the mafiaoso's names and why do you think there so realiable? Couldn't your sources be lying? Also your drive for Peevergreen as dierector also seems highly supious. I can partialy understand why you would want a new player to live a bit longer but why peevergreen instead of another new player?
Lastly for clairifcation Kage, Sigurd and GH, did all of you decide to not send in the PM's or was it just Kage?
Sasaki Kojiro
01-20-2007, 02:23
GH's role will be revealed "on the 2nd day after his death". If he turns up innocent we'll look into the names then. If he turns up guilty then I would say those on the list are probably innocent. It is odd that he claimed doc but posted the townie pm.
pevergreen
01-20-2007, 03:25
Yeah it is. Do we find out their roles! Awsome! I dont think GH is a doctor...even if he cant save himself. How would he have a mafia list? Suspicous, indeed.
ByzantineKnight
01-20-2007, 04:54
Yeah it is. Do we find out their roles! Awsome! I dont think GH is a doctor...even if he cant save himself. How would he have a mafia list? Suspicous, indeed.
He might be a mafia and he got info from other family members, and possably a detective they tricked.
Or he could have made the names up for fun.
Or he could be completely innocent...
I am inclined to think he is innocent.
HughTower
01-20-2007, 05:04
Reenk Roink: About the only thing against him is his being on GH's list. The movement against him is pure bandwagon.
A bandwagon which he started by voting for himself btw. I too was "encouraged" to vote for Kralizec by grapevine, & refrained for reasons of independence. I think he died by way of someone's manipulation, & was no worse & better a candidate than any other. But time will tell, and my breath is bated.
Yeah...this whole thing is mess. It is absolutely absurd, and that is why the mafia game is so much fun!:grin2:
Sasaki Kojiro
01-20-2007, 05:13
A bandwagon which he started by voting for himself btw. I too was "encouraged" to vote for Kralizec by grapevine, & refrained for reasons of independence. I think he died by way of someone's manipulation, & was no worse & better a candidate than any other. But time will tell, and my breath is bated.
The "self vote" is wifom again.
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