The Midgard Saga [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 2

Andres

02-07-2007, 16:57

Well, the feature is there for a reason, simply participating doesn't exactly count as a reason to find a participant suspicious in my opinion. As has been mentioned before, Holmgang are decided by luck, basically, combined with ones skill - if any. A dangerous enterprise to say the least.

:balloon2:

The Holmgang thing is a new feature. To me it seems not a good option for a regular townie to challenge, since the tone of the role pm is clear: you are weak, you have a low to almost nihil chance of succes.

So challenging while being a townie seems suicidal.

Those who were so eager to challenge must at least have better odds than regular townies. This game has only just started, so we can't have much clues or some kind of certainty about somebody elses roles. Statistically when you challenge at random, chances are bigger you'll challenge a townie or a pro-town role than a Jotun/mafia.

So I think I rightfully wonder why a few players were so eager to challenge?

They must feel comfortable and must think they have a good chance to win. Now, who would be intrested in killing somebody at random, knowing they have more chance to kill a regular townie than an enemy of the town?

If I'm still alive after the night, I'll vote for one of the challengers, most likely Tom_Hagen since he started the challenging chain. Challenging Caius for "lurking" while a) the game only just started b) he might have been very well aware Caius was on a holiday (he posted it in several threads IIRC) doesn't sound convincing to me.

Don Corleone

02-07-2007, 17:02

Well, the only reason I'm into the Holmgang is role-playing. As Sigurd pointed out in the intro, it's impossible to know if I have a high score or a low score. I can only guess.

As for why I picked the particular person I did, I hate lurking. Even if any of the 7 lurkers are mafia, it's a lazy way to play the game. If they're townies, shame on them.

Having real life pop-up (which isn't actually lurking, that's true absenteeism) is going to happen. But sitting here, watching all the posts but not saying anything is not in the spirit of the game (IMHO).

Caius, I am sorry I challenged you without determining your circumstances. If I had known you were actually away on vacation, I wouldn't have thought you were lurking, and I wouldn't have challenged you.

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 18:08

But all we gain from suiciding townies are less voting rounds and less choices for the mafia. Proving your innocence is nice, but suiciding doesn't really help us either. Also, if you die in a Holmgang, that doesn't prove anything.

Who says its a suicide.Its ofcourse a large risk but not a suicide.A risk i think the Jotuns dont want to take.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 18:43

Who says its a suicide.Its ofcourse a large risk but not a suicide.A risk i think the Jotuns dont want to take.

Or maybe you're a jotun and have a high holmgang score and are willing to take your chances challenging someone you think has a weak score. It could easily be an attempt to appear innocent, don't pretend otherwise. I'd bet the odds of a jotun dying in holmgang are about the same as the odds of one of them being randomly lynched day one.

Dutch_guy

02-07-2007, 19:24

Those who were so eager to challenge must at least have better odds than regular townies. This game has only just started, so we can't have much clues or some kind of certainty about somebody elses roles. Statistically when you challenge at random, chances are bigger you'll challenge a townie or a pro-town role than a Jotun/mafia.

So I think I rightfully wonder why a few players were so eager to challenge?

They must feel comfortable and must think they have a good chance to win. Now, who would be intrested in killing somebody at random, knowing they have more chance to kill a regular townie than an enemy of the town?

That's a fair point. However, as Sasaki pointed out in the post above me, the chance of dying in a Holmgang could be about the same as getting lynched. If a Jotun then has a high Holmgang score, the Jotun get an extra kill. So yeah, it could be used to get that extra kill in, but they'd be fools to so eagerly seek out the challenge. However, that last bit works both ways of course.

:balloon2:

Husar

02-07-2007, 19:37

Who says its a suicide.Its ofcourse a large risk but not a suicide.A risk i think the Jotuns dont want to take.
It's not an outright suicide except that if you're a townie, your PM says it borders on suicide.

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 21:08

Or maybe you're a jotun and have a high holmgang score and are willing to take your chances challenging someone you think has a weak score. It could easily be an attempt to appear innocent, don't pretend otherwise. I'd bet the odds of a jotun dying in holmgang are about the same as the odds of one of them being randomly lynched day one.

This is from the rules of the game: "Every role will get a Holmgang stat that will determine the outcome of such a duel. Old War Veterans will get higher stats than a serving man or a groom. Jarls or Champions will get higher stats than a War veteran etc.
There is still luck involved and a serving man might still be able to get in a lucky shot at a Champion and exit victorious. On a rare occasion there might be a tie. If such is the case both will survive."

So there are people with different stats on the town. I wonder where you seem to think that Jotuns have very high stats when i cant find anything about that in the rules.Are you a Jotun Sasaki?:inquisitive:

Csargo

02-07-2007, 21:11

May I ask why you can not let me live? That really makes no sense. What threat can I possibly pose to you?

It should be obvious.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 21:41

So there are people with different stats on the town. I wonder where you seem to think that Jotuns have very high stats when i cant find anything about that in the rules.Are you a Jotun Sasaki?:inquisitive:

It said in the kill description that the one guy turned into a monster and ripped the other guys head off. Why do you pretend not to have knowledge that any townie would have figured out?

Csargo

02-07-2007, 21:45

I wonder where Sigurd is.

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 21:46

It said in the kill description that the one guy turned into a monster and ripped the other guys head off. Why do you pretend not to have knowledge that any townie would have figured out?

Well ripping heads of dont count much on armed combat or tell about stats. We could have pretty strong serfs in the town also,with lowsy Holmgang stats.Sasaki nice evade.Again,are you a Jotun?

Husar

02-07-2007, 21:53

I wonder where Sigurd is.
One of his girls has birthday today I think, maybe he is busy celebrating.

Csargo

02-07-2007, 21:54

One of his girls has birthday today I think, maybe he is busy celebrating.

Ah alright that explains why he hasn't posted yet. Thanks Husar.:beam:

Dutch_guy

02-07-2007, 21:56

Again,are you a Jotun?

Would you believe him if he said no ? ~;)

:balloon2:

Andres

02-07-2007, 22:00

One of his girls has birthday today I think, maybe he is busy celebrating.

Happy Birthday little miss Sigurd ~:cheers:

DA WINE DA WINE DA WINE !

Sigurd

02-07-2007, 22:04

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Round 2

Tired after a day at Gulating and with a slight feeling of guilt for not being able to comply with the old man’s wishes the men and women from three kingdoms started returning to their camps. But while they were dispersing shouts could be heard by the Rogaland crowd. Redleg a big burly fellow was arguing with another big fellar; HughTower. The reason was unknown to most but they seemed quite upset. Others joined in and soon swords were drawn. The old man noticing this, walked briskly towards them with a look that could kill. Several men who stood in his way shied away as they suddenly felt a slight panic, however strange that was. This old man could not match any of them in a sword match.

When he reached the battle ready gathering, he stepped right into the middle. His eyes were burning and his voice cold as the North wind. “Keep your peace men, this is not the day for this. Who started this?” The not so angry men any longer stepped away and only HughTower and Redleg remained. “So it was you two again? Well we need to solve this and possibly set an example for the rest. Holmgang it is!” the two men looked up with anticipation. “Not so fast you two. You will be fighting for your life.” The men looked at each other and nodded.

The old man walked a circle within the spectators and proclaimed: “This is you holme. No shields allowed. Now choose your means”. Both men unsheathed their blade. They stepped in circles measuring each others strength.
They seemed even matched but one or both could be hiding their true power. HughTower started by lashing out a combination and hit Redleg twice. One slash across the chest and one in the left thigh. Redleg bellowed in pain and parried the next combination. Steel on steel could be heard miles away. The combatants got weary and HughTower slipped in the grass. Redleg got a few nicks on HughTower who quickly recovered from his unbalance. He put another slash across the ribs of Redleg. Now Redleg saw red and bellowed like a Berserkr. He found new strength and the match was suddenly over as Redleg stepped around HughTower’s blade and stabbed him through the throat. Blood spilled out on HughTower’s tunic and life ebbed from his eyes. The match was over and Redleg slumped to his knees panting.
No one cheered.
Some of the men with Redleg helped him up and supported him back to their camp.

HughTower laying face down in a pool of blood was already enjoying the view from the back of a horse with a beautiful blond sitting in front of him. He knew he had lost the match but didn’t care. The woman in front of him turned and smiled. Oh it was instant love for HughTower. He wondered if men like him were allowed to marry Valkyries.

The camps quiet down and soon there was slumber all around. Some where not so eager to sleep as others.

Dutch Guy was sitting on a stone by his tent. He couldn’t sleep due to events that had passed that day. He looked over to the trees that stood near his tent. Dutch Guy looked better and saw a shadow sitting in one of the trees, a pair of cat eyes stared at him through the leaves; he wanted to shout. But his mouth could not make any words. He wanted to run, but before he could get up an arrow hit him right between the eyes. He slumped back on the rock; it looked like he never moved. Dutch_guy was looking with wonder at the back of a beautiful woman in front of him when he opened his eyes.

Tom Hagen did manage to sleep. He was snoring loudly like any other night and was fast asleep. He never heard the shadow that stepped through his tent opening. The shadow had glowing yellow eyes in the dark and brought his dagger up and stabbed Tom in the heart. Tom’s eyes flew open and as he saw the yellow eyes over him screamed like a fourteen year old. The Shadow stabbed him again and again. When the shadow saw that the wounds kept closing on Tom it realised something was amiss. It released Tom and darted out in the dark. Tom had never seen anything moving that quickly. People gathered at Tom’s tent and enquired the disturbance.
Tom only had one word on his lips… he stammered it out again and again. “Jotun, it was a jotun.”

(I knew I had forgotten something)

Murdered (3):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy

Killed in Holmgang (1):
HughTower (Redleg)

Still Alive (28):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
ByzantineKnight
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Discovery1
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
JimBob
Kagemusha
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Orb
pevergreen
Proletariat
Redleg
Reenk Roink
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo
Stig
Tom Hagen
Warluster

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 22:04

Well ripping heads of dont count much on armed combat or tell about stats. We could have pretty strong serfs in the town also,with lowsy Holmgang stats.Sasaki nice evade.Again,are you a Jotun?

You caught me Kage. I was hoping to not answer that question, I absolutely hate lying. Yes! I confess! Lynch me now!

From a game design perspective I would certainly have made the Jotun skilled in the holmgang. The fact that they are superhuman in strength etc is also quite telling.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 22:08

Oooh, shrewd choices for the kills. I think we have a smart mafia.

Don Corleone

02-07-2007, 22:13

Damn Sigurd... screaming like a 14 year old? Apparently I need to mend some fences with my Norwegian friend, if he's choosing such humiliating ways for me to die in his games.... :bow:

Csargo

02-07-2007, 22:15

Damn Sigurd... screaming like a 14 year old? Apparently I need to mend some fences with my Norwegian friend, if he's choosing such humiliating ways for me to die in his games.... :bow:

Unless I read wrong I believe you are still alive.

Orb

02-07-2007, 22:16

Challenge: Motep

Ya startin'

Don Corleone

02-07-2007, 22:22

Challenge: Motep

A ghostly voice whispers on the wind, carried from Valhalla: Challenges are only during the night phase. It's Day Phase until 9PM GMT+1. By the way, these Valkyrie chicks are even hotter in person... Think Hooters girls in metal bikinis.

Sigurd

02-07-2007, 22:23

Challenge: Motep

Hold your horses there spheric Berserk... The Challenges are only considered if posted between the lynching and the next round...

(edit): Thx for holding the fort Don.

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 22:24

Oooh, shrewd choices for the kills. I think we have a smart mafia.

So Kojiro.If you such an innocent can you tell us where you hail from and who is your liege?

Dutch_guy

02-07-2007, 22:26

Damn it, damn it !

I think my lurking profile is getting me killed in each and every single game, I should participate more. :computer:

Damn you Jotun.

:balloon2:

Andres

02-07-2007, 22:26

Don Corleone

02-07-2007, 22:27

A ghostly voice whispers on the wind, carried from Valhalla: Challenges are only during the night phase. It's Day Phase until 9PM GMT+1. By the way, these Valkyrie chicks are even hotter in person... Think Hooters girls in metal bikinis.

Damn... so that was just a good dream! Okay, then.

Yes, Sasaki PM'd me the first day, claiming he never received a clan affiliation. Translation, he didn't receive a real viking PM, he received a Jotun one. Originally, I chalked it up to him trying to catch me in a trap, but now, with him going on about how high the Jotun Holmgang stats are....

Vote: Sasaki

Don Corleone

02-07-2007, 22:29

These were the challenges:

1 Tom Hagen vs. Caius Flaminus
2 Kagemusha vs. Seamus
3 Ichigo vs. CountArach
5 Crazed Rabbit vs. GH
6 Lord Motep vs. Orb

The fight between Redleg and HughTower seemed pretty fair. It seemed like Redleg was a bit lucky. So my guess is this were two townies fighting each other.

What do we have left:

1 Tom Hagen vs. Caius Flaminus
2 Kagemusha vs. Seamus
3 Ichigo vs. CountArach
4 Crazed Rabbit vs. GH
5 Lord Motep vs. Orb

Tom Hagen is still alive. Apparently, the attempt failed. He claimed a Jotun attacked him, but can we believe that?

Anyway, he was the one who started all the challenges.

Well, Tom_Hagen, as long as you don't convince me of being pro town:

Vote : Tom_Hagen

EDIT: Tom, you are still on the "alive" list

Thanks for the heads up. But see my miscues in Godfather 2. The Jotun (or Mafia) cannot attack each other, even to fake it, or if they suspect strongly that their target will be protected by a shaman (or doctor).

I'm an unassailable witness, there's no way I could be Jotun.

Now, I don't know for certain Sasaki is, but in light of any other info to go on, I'm very interested in why he thought townie PM's didn't have clan affiliations.

GeneralHankerchief

02-07-2007, 22:30

Yes, Sasaki PM'd me the first day, claiming he never received a clan affiliation. Translation, he didn't receive a real viking PM, he received a Jotun one. Originally, I chalked it up to him trying to catch me in a trap, but now, with him going on about how high the Jotun Holmgang stats are....

Evidence please?

Dutch_guy

02-07-2007, 22:31

Oooh, shrewd choices for the kills. I think we have a smart mafia.

Perhaps, but why ?

We definitely have somewhat of a lucky detective esque Norseman.

:balloon2:

Andres

02-07-2007, 22:32

Sigurd, I have a question about the rules: can Jotun attack Jotun in this game?

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 22:33

Evidence please?

Shouldnt you be asking evidence from Sasaki.All he needs to do is to clarify the points Tom Hagen made. Sasaki who do you serve? Or is it just the queen of underworld?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 22:33

Actually, townies are the ones who don't receive any affiliations. Only the more special roles do, which is why you guys should really stop mentioning it. The mafia obviously picked up on it and tried to kill Don.

townie as in vanilla townie.

Don Corleone

02-07-2007, 22:35

Evidence please?

How do you know what family you are?

Sasaki
__________________
"Any opinion [Sasaki] gives on the matter is suspicious"--Crazed Rabbit

Now Sasaki did respond the exact same way earlier, that I was tipping off the Jotun that I had a special role, but I don't. I'm not a king and I'm not a Jarl. I'm a warrior, and goodness knows how many of them there are.

Maybe poor Sasaki is a thrall. Or maybe, he serves Hel herself. Speak man, or lose your tongue forever!

GeneralHankerchief

02-07-2007, 22:35

Actually, townies are the ones who don't receive any affiliations.

Waitaminute, the top of my town PM said "Human" in bold. Does that mean that's not an affiliation?

:inquisitive:

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 22:35

Vote Sasaki the Jotun.Unless someone can prove him right.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 22:37

Waitaminute, the top of my town PM said "Human" in bold. Does that mean that's not an affiliation?

:inquisitive:

It's not a clan affiliation which is what tom is talking about.

Csargo

02-07-2007, 22:38

Now Sasaki did respond the exact same way earlier, that I was tipping off the Jotun that I had a special role, but I don't. I'm not a king and I'm not a Jarl. I'm a warrior, and goodness knows how many of them there are.

Maybe poor Sasaki is a thrall. Or maybe, he serves Hel herself. Speak man, or lose your tongue forever!

Does your role pm have your clan name (sogn, homoland, rogoland) in it? Don says his does.

Sasaki

:computer:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 22:38

Now Sasaki did respond the exact same way earlier, that I was tipping off the Jotun that I had a special role, but I don't. I'm not a king and I'm not a Jarl. I'm a warrior, and goodness knows how many of them there are.

A warrior is special. You have the capability to serve the town via the holmgang. This makes you more of a target since the jotun worry about getting challenged.

Don Corleone

02-07-2007, 22:39

Well, there's 3 Jotun in the game. If we can get 2 more people to confirm GH and Sasaki's story, we may be onto something here.

Don Corleone

02-07-2007, 22:42

A warrior is special. You have the capability to serve the town via the holmgang. This makes you more of a target since the jotun worry about getting challenged.

Which brings us to the other charge against you, which you've chosen not to answer.... I thought you said the Jotun could beat anyone in Holmgang. If that was the case, why wouldn't they just challenge everyone to Holmgang every time and forget about murdering (and possibly being caught by a detective)? And, more importantly, how do you know that Jotun have such killer stats in Holmgang? :inquisitive:

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 22:44

And Sasaki, why have you been fishing clan names via pm? I think we have cought our first Jotun.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 22:46

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 22:47

And Sasaki, why have you been fishing clan names via pm? I think we have cought our first Jotun.

*sigh* clan names are meaningless in this game. I thought Don's claim to have one meant he was possible Jotun in the exact same way you thought I was jotun for not having one. Why do you persist in this?

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 22:49

*sigh* clan names are meaningless in this game. I thought Don's claim to have one meant he was possible Jotun in the exact same way you thought I was jotun for not having one. Why do you persist in this?

Becouse you cant tell us yours,since you dont have one,becouse you are a Jotun.Im still waiting for others to tell they dont have one.:inquisitive:

Andres

02-07-2007, 22:50

Which brings us to the other charge against you, which you've chosen not to answer.... I thought you said the Jotun could beat anyone in Holmgang. If that was the case, why wouldn't they just challenge everyone to Holmgang every time and forget about murdering (and possibly being caught by a detective)? And, more importantly, how do you know that Jotun have such killer stats in Holmgang? :inquisitive:

He doesn't know. But it would be logical, wouldn't it? Otherwise it would be to easy for the town.

On the other hand, giving the Jotun über power in Holmgang would make it too easy for them. Maybe they have average statistics, to avoid being killed by the first townie who challenges them.

So you pretend to be a mighty warrior heh? Well, I do want to believe you, but on the other hand, it wouldn't be a smart move to reveal yourself in the beginning of the game. And I'm not willing to believe that an experienced mafia player would do something stupid in the beginning of the game.

My vote still stands and I keep watching you. Convince me a bit more, please.

Don Corleone

02-07-2007, 22:51

If the Jotun always win at Holmgang, because even when in human form they're as strong as the Gods, we can't hope to win.

I interpret the rules that while they're taking human form, they're of human strength and have human qualities.

I think the answer is for us all to come forward with our clan affiliation, at the very least. Sure, the Jotun will fake a clan alliance, but we need more information then we currently have. Maybe if we see a trend with one clan getting killed off more than another, we can follow a road to our other two Jotun (as I suspect we've already caught our first).

As were my two murdered kinsmen on the first night (and hence the hint about role-playing, I was trying avenge them), I am Hordland. I despise the villianous Rogoland, but I will hold my nose and stand amongst their foul ranks to root out these sons-of-swine Jotun.

Who will stand with me !?!

GeneralHankerchief

02-07-2007, 22:52

Well, we're going down one of two paths here.

Either we've caught Sasaki in a lie and he's trying to wiggle his way out of it, or Sasaki's just being himself and this is just a big townie vs. townie thing.

I'm inclined to believe #2, personally. Sasaki is an information hound no matter what, and a Jotun probably would be afraid of being challenged, in case Sigurd's write-up of the Holmgang confirms their superhuman strength.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

I'm still not sure why you voted for me in the first place.

Andres

02-07-2007, 22:54

Becouse you cant tell us yours,since you dont have one,becouse you are a Jotun.Im still waiting for others to tell they dont have one.:inquisitive:

I am Human. I don't think that's a clan name in the sense Tom meant it. I don't have any other "clan name".

There is still luck involved and a serving man might still be able to get in a lucky shot at a Champion and exit victorious.

Maybe there are warriors next to regular townies? Maybe every King has his Champion or Warrior to serve him?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 22:54

I'm thinking it would be pretty easy for a Jotun to just say "yeah, I'm hordaland". In fact Kage it would have been easy for me to say that, think on that.

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 22:55

Well i can tell you that if you cant see a Jotun when he stands right before your own eyes.I will challenge this Sasaki Jotun if you wont lynch him to test his supernatural strength!:knight:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 22:56

Btw, Andres, the failed attempt against Tom proves him innocent.

Don Corleone

02-07-2007, 22:56

He doesn't know. But it would be logical, wouldn't it? Otherwise it would be to easy for the town.

On the other hand, giving the Jotun über power in Holmgang would make it too easy for them. Maybe they have average statistics, to avoid being killed by the first townie who challenges them.

So you pretend to be a mighty warrior heh? Well, I do want to believe you, but on the other hand, it wouldn't be a smart move to reveal yourself in the beginning of the game. And I'm not willing to believe that an experienced mafia player would do something stupid in the beginning of the game.

My vote still stands and I keep watching you. Convince me a bit more, please.

I don't think it's stupid at all. The Jotun rely on us not talking to each other. They will sneak in and PM us onsey, twosey and attempt to mislead us, to trip us up and reveal that which nobody else knows.

I don't understand your defense of Sasaki, or Sasaki's defense of himself.

The two of you are claiming that the Jotun will always win at Holmgang. But then, Sasaki claims the Jotun went after me when I'm at best, level 2 (with 2 levels of human above me, Jarl and King, and then the Jotun on top of that). That means in a game of 25 people, 9 people can beat me certainly, and 2 more have an equal shot.

Doesn't sound like I'm that much of a threat. Yet Sasaki claims that if I AM a human, that's why they went after me.

Something doesn't smell quite right here, and I don't mean those vile Rogoland for once...

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 22:59

Well i can tell you that if you cant see a Jotun when he stands right before your own eyes.I will challenge this Sasaki Jotun if you wont lynch him to test his supernatural strength!

You are beginning to sound guilty Kage. It's been said in the thread by others that the plain townie pm has no clan affiliation. Are you trying to get an easy kill?

I don't think so. It looks like another day where a few townies just go after each other.

I think pevergreen is being too quiet. Vote:pevergreen

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 23:01

You are beginning to sound guilty Kage. It's been said in the thread by others that the plain townie pm has no clan affiliation. Are you trying to get an easy kill?

I don't think so. It looks like another day where a few townies just go after each other.

I think pevergreen is being too quiet. Vote:pevergreen

Who sayed so?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 23:02

I don't think it's stupid at all. The Jotun rely on us not talking to each other. They will sneak in and PM us onsey, twosey and attempt to mislead us, to trip us up and reveal that which nobody else knows.

I don't understand your defense of Sasaki, or Sasaki's defense of himself.

The two of you are claiming that the Jotun will always win at Holmgang. But then, Sasaki claims the Jotun went after me when I'm at best, level 2 (with 2 levels of human above me, Jarl and King, and then the Jotun on top of that). That means in a game of 25 people, 9 people can beat me certainly, and 2 more have an equal shot.

Doesn't sound like I'm that much of a threat. Yet Sasaki claims that if I AM a human, that's why they went after me.

Something doesn't smell quite right here, and I don't mean those vile Rogoland for once...

I said the Jotun probably have a high score. Eventually we will get to a point in the game where we will have our best fighters challenge people we think are Jotun. The higher the level of the fighter we challenge them with, the more likely they are to die. Therefore they want to eliminate the high powered roles.

Sigurd

02-07-2007, 23:03

Sigurd, I have a question about the rules: can Jotun attack Jotun in this game?

I am sorry if I haven't stated this clearly in the rules. I thought it obvious. No mafia can kill or attempt to kill another mafia unless there are multiple mafia families. This game has only one family.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 23:05

Who sayed so?

Andres. And I think someone else before him, can't remember.

Sigurd

02-07-2007, 23:06

Citaat:
Orgineel gepost door Sasaki
Does your role pm have your clan name (sogn, homoland, rogoland) in it? Don says his does.

Sasaki

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Andres

02-07-2007, 23:07

Sorry Sigurd that you had to clarify an obvious rule :embarassed: Guess I'm still a bit of a newbie on this games...

Ok, seeing there was a murder attempt on Tom:

Unvote : Tom_Hagen

The other challenges were:

1 Kagemusha vs. Seamus
2 Ichigo vs. CountArach
3 Crazed Rabbit vs. GH
4 Lord Motep vs. Orb

Why was Lord Motep so eager to challenge? I challenge you because you voted me seems not a good enough reason. Therefore:

Vote : Lord Motep

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 23:08

Csargo

02-07-2007, 23:11

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Yes I thought that was funny too.

Orb

02-07-2007, 23:12

Well

Vote: Motep

I don't have much time to follow this thread, but I may as well.

Csargo

02-07-2007, 23:13

Andres

02-07-2007, 23:14

Im calling out any serfs,thralls or others who dont know what clan they serve out! This malecious spirit Sasaki is trying to tell that there are men among us who dont know their places among us. If there is such a man,please step forward.

I am just a humble Human townie. I want to get this town rid of the Jotun. It should have been clear by now that regular townies don't have a clan affiliation. I, AndresTheCunning, GeneralHankerChief and Sasaki have confirmed that. Other townies will read this, look at their pm and they will know we speak the truth.

What will you do? Challenge a mere townie because he doesn't have a clan affiliation? What's the most important to you? Your clan or the town? What is your clan? The Jotun?

Unvote : Lord Motep
Vote : Kagemusha

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 23:16

I am just a humble Human townie. I want to get this town rid of the Jotun. It should have been clear by now that regular townies don't have a clan affiliation. I, AndresTheCunning, GeneralHankerChief and Sasaki have confirmed that. Other townies will read this, look at their pm and they will know we speak the truth.

What will you do? Challenge a mere townie because he doesn't have a clan affiliation? What's the most important to you? Your clan or the town? What is your clan? The Jotun?

Unvote : Lord Motep
Vote : Kagemusha

So there are people who doesnt serve anyone in Viking society?Please give me a break. Only such people could be a King. Im starting to think we have found our second Jotun.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 23:19

So there are people who doesnt serve anyone in Viking society?Please give me a break. Only such people could be a King. Im starting to think we have found our second Jotun.

You're on a roll Kage! Pretty soon you'll have found all of them.

You went after Moros in much the same way, but that time you let it go when the rules were clarified for you. I'm tempted to change my vote but I'll wait a bit longer.

Andres

02-07-2007, 23:21

So there are people who doesnt serve anyone in Viking society?Please give me a break. Only such people could be a King. Im starting to think we have found our second Jotun.

Now reread my post. "I want the town to get rid of the Jotun" I said.

I serve the town, not some selfish clan. The other townies will read what I said: I am Human and townie. They will know who speaks the truth in here. You just revealed yourself as not just a townie. Unless you prove to me you have a pro-town role, my vote will stand.

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 23:22

Well. Tom Hagen can tell,if im guilty or not.Sasaki Please send me your pm so i can see where you come from. I might have been wrong with Moros,but i have also been lynched becouse of your tricks in the past when you were guilty.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 23:24

Don Corleone

02-07-2007, 23:27

I can speak strongly, though not 100% in Kagemusha's defense. I'm 95% sure he is innocent of being filthy Jotun.

I suspect that Sasaki and Andres are right. Much like playing cards, there's face cards, then ordinaries. Only in our case, only the face cards are suited.

I am warning the lurkers.... we came to this Thing to end the bloodshed and kill the Jotun. Lurking at your campfire is a guaranteed way to feel the bite of my axe, and I will swing it freely.

Now, back that to that lovely dream, of my own special Valkyrie...

GeneralHankerchief

02-07-2007, 23:27

Lol, fair enough. pm quoting is not allowed though.

Actually, it is allowed. It's only screenshots that are banned.

I'm starting to think that either you or Kage is Jotun... I'm just not sure which yet.

Redleg

02-07-2007, 23:28

Well as far as I can tell - I can rule Tom_Hagen out as being a Jotun unless there is another force at work that we have not discovered yet, but right now the safest assumption is tht the Jotun attempted to kill Tom Hagen.

Now I must rest since I have experienced some blood loss from the wounds suffered in battle.

But again I see little information to cast a deciding vote on anyone that is attempting to distrupt this gathering. I suspect that someone that has so far been silent is indeed one of the Jotun, but which one or three is it.

So I must wait and recover from my wounds why I ponder the decision before the gathering. Whom to lynch?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 23:30

Actually, it is allowed. It's only screenshots that are banned.

I'm starting to think that either you or Kage is Jotun... I'm just not sure which yet.

I see, Sigurd's use of the word "alas" (I do not think it means what you think it means Sigurd) threw me off.

Unvote,Vote:GeneralHankerchief

The 2nd statement, I think is not like you.

Csargo

02-07-2007, 23:35

Come now Sasaki. GH is innocent.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 23:40

Come now Sasaki. GH is innocent.

How do you know that?

Csargo

02-07-2007, 23:45

How do you know that?

He seems innocent enough to me. :shrug:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-07-2007, 23:46

He seems innocent enough to me. :shrug:

You are clearly guilty together.

Hey, between Kage and me, we've found 4 out of the three Jotun! :bounce:

Csargo

02-07-2007, 23:48

You are clearly guilty together.

Hey, between Kage and me, we've found 4 out of the three Jotun! :bounce:

heh. You guys seem really into finding the Jotun.:dizzy2:

Kagemusha

02-07-2007, 23:50

You are clearly guilty together.

Hey, between Kage and me, we've found 4 out of the three Jotun! :bounce:

Oh you....Sasaki. Unvote Sasaki.I want to slay you personally in the challenge or die trying!:viking: ~;)

Husar

02-08-2007, 00:38

Vote: Orb

We have so many idlers while some people who seem to be mostly innocent are slaying one another with the mafia idling around. To me it feels like half the players are idle, let's make some people talk!:whip:

Proletariat

02-08-2007, 00:41

Yeah, I'm getting a strong vibe that while the town slaughters each other with novelty Holmgangs, the Jotun is off laughing. Let's get these lurkers talking or starting stringing them up.

Csargo

02-08-2007, 00:57

There's something weird about Kage's behavior I can't really place it. He was absent from the first round, then he comes out full force at Sasaki. Seems rather strange to me.

Vote:Kage

Sasaki Kojiro

02-08-2007, 01:00

There's something weird about Kage's behavior I can't really place it. He was absent from the first round, then he comes out full force at Sasaki. Seems rather strange to me.

Vote:Kage

Unvote,Vote:Ichigo

This doesn't sound like you.

Csargo

02-08-2007, 01:02

Unvote,Vote:Ichigo

This doesn't sound like you.

Well that's because it wasn't me Sasaki.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-08-2007, 01:09

Well that's because it wasn't me Sasaki.

Naturally. Who are your main suspects right now? Why do you think the jotun chose the night one kills and the night two kills? Do you think the jotun would be likely to challenge people a lot?

Csargo

02-08-2007, 01:22

Naturally. Who are your main suspects right now? Why do you think the jotun chose the night one kills and the night two kills? Do you think the jotun would be likely to challenge people a lot?

Kage obviously. RR seems rather quiet, and a couple other people.

Who knows? I sure don't.

Maybe, I believe the Jotuns stat's are high probably about the same as the Lords or Champions.

Husar

02-08-2007, 01:33

Kage obviously. RR seems rather quiet, and a couple other people.
A couple?
The game seems to be played by not even a dozen people while the rest are completely quiet or post so rarely that I don't even notice their posts.:wall:

Csargo

02-08-2007, 01:39

A couple?
The game seems to be played by not even a dozen people while the rest are completely quiet or post so rarely that I don't even notice their posts.:wall:

Well your vote for makes no sense to me since there are people who have only posted 2-3 and Orb is not one of those people. You claim to be seeking out lurker's yet you vote for someone who isn't really lurking.

Husar

02-08-2007, 01:45

Well your vote for makes no sense to me since there are people who have only posted 2-3 and Orb is not one of those people. You claim to be seeking out lurker's yet you vote for someone who isn't really lurking.
I know he posted at the start, but can't remember him posting on the last few pages. But since noone seems interested in getting the lurkers to talk anyway, it doesn't really make a difference, does it?:inquisitive:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-08-2007, 01:50

Kage obviously. RR seems rather quiet, and a couple other people.

Who knows? I sure don't.

Maybe, I believe the Jotuns stat's are high probably about the same as the Lords or Champions.

Why RR specifically?

Are you sure about Kage?

Csargo

02-08-2007, 01:51

I know he posted at the start, but can't remember him posting on the last few pages. But since noone seems interested in getting the lurkers to talk anyway, it doesn't really make a difference, does it?:inquisitive:

Are you reading through the thread Husar? I have to wonder because Orb has posted atleast once on the last two pages of this thread.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1420132&postcount=314

Why not read the thread Husar? Seems rather weird to me.

Csargo

02-08-2007, 01:53

Why RR specifically?

Are you sure about Kage?

Well RR is being quieter than normal this game.

Can anyone really be sure this early in the game, Sasaki?

Now I'll be back to watching my show if you don't mind.

Husar

02-08-2007, 01:55

Well, Ichigo, I can count the words of that post on my fingers...

edit: on further counting, I want to include my feet into that...

Csargo

02-08-2007, 01:59

Well, Ichigo, I can count the words of that post on my fingers...

edit: on further counting, I want to include my feet into that...

Well, really I wouldn't quite say he's a lurker. Atleast he's posted some haven't posted, but once or twice the entire game why aren't you going after them?

Husar

02-08-2007, 02:03

Well, really I wouldn't quite say he's a lurker. Atleast he's posted some haven't posted, but once or twice the entire game why aren't you going after them?
Because I only have one vote my friend.
And I tend to notice only people who post a bit more than he did, I don't keep any posting records either. Maybe you can give me a list of idlers and I shall select one of them.

Kralizec

02-08-2007, 02:03

Apologies for not contributing earlier, reading 10+ pages of discussion isn't something you do when you're online only for brief amounts of time.

I just finished reading the thread. FYI, from page one:

Jotun:
the Mafia of the Midgard saga. They are supernatural creatures and can shape shift. Whilst being in a human form they lose a little of their giant strength, but are still a force to be reckoned with. They are long-lived just as the Norse Gods but can be killed. Many of them have magical or other supernatural abilities.

To me, that sounds that Jotun have at least fairly high Holmgang stats, but not so high that they can defeat the higher roles easily.

Csargo

02-08-2007, 02:07

Because I only have one vote my friend.
And I tend to notice only people who post a bit more than he did, I don't keep any posting records either. Maybe you can give me a list of idlers and I shall select one of them.

Well really that would make the game less fun, wouldn't it? If I went around and found who you should vote for. I find your position quite interesting, why won't you do some work yourself instead of relying on others?:huh:

Crazed Rabbit

02-08-2007, 02:07

Where's Disco?

Vote: Discovery

CR

ByzantineKnight

02-08-2007, 02:19

I have a question, does sapi usually get into the role playing theme?
e.g. Start talking about the mafia as Jotuns and all that...

Thanks,
ByzantineKnight

Csargo

02-08-2007, 02:20

I have a question, does sapi usually get into the role playing theme?
e.g. Start talking about the mafia as Jotuns and all that...

Thanks,
ByzantineKnight

No idea.

Where are you Sasaki? No response to my post? Come now have you nothing to say.:inquisitive:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-08-2007, 02:21

No idea.

Where are you Sasaki? No response to my post? Come now have you nothing to say.:inquisitive:

What is your favorite color?

Csargo

02-08-2007, 02:27

What is your favorite color?

Pink.

Husar

02-08-2007, 02:55

Well really that would make the game less fun, wouldn't it? If I went around and found who you should vote for. I find your position quite interesting, why won't you do some work yourself instead of relying on others?:huh:
Well, I asked for a list to chose from, not a single name.
And why is Orb so important for you anyway?
You seem to have a big problem with my vote.:inquisitive:

Kagemusha

02-08-2007, 02:58

Vote Ichigo. Maybe once again i have been vague.But you are just saying you have a funny feeling about me and bandwagon Andreas and then start talking about other players.:inquisitive:
Im not going to say this again,becouse i already have.Im playing a viking character here in this game to get some fun out of this game and i will pursue any vague attacks against myself.
What i did with Sasaki,was that i got a tip about Sasaki that he wasnt able to identify his clan and pursued Sasaki about that, untill i was convinced that he wasnt guilty. Its funny how i was attacked immediately for trying to help the town and that was suspicious to some of you. Ofcourse there could be some more things to make wonder about this whole clanless serf population,like this line from the rules,but i guess that would be again just Kage being suspicious.
I have embolded the line which is the most intresting in my mind:

"The Roles:

6 Lords – this will be the Jarls and petty kings of Hordaland
3 Jotun – the Mafiosi
Pro-town roles
Townies (various roles in the retinue of the lords)"

And still here we are town full of serfs without masters.:juggle2:

Csargo

02-08-2007, 03:00

Well, I asked for a list to chose from, not a single name.
And why is Orb so important for you anyway?
You seem to have a big problem with my vote.:inquisitive:

Well I find it odd that you vote for Orb and then say you're looking for lurker's. When Orb hasn't been really lurking or atleast not to me. I just think your reasoning is flawed is all.

Csargo

02-08-2007, 03:08

KukriKhan

02-08-2007, 03:10

Im calling out any serfs,thralls or others who dont know what clan they serve out! This malecious spirit Sasaki is trying to tell that there are men among us who dont know their places among us. If there is such a man,please step forward.

No PM, no clan, no affiliation - so no clue here; just casting about in the dark, hoping to not hurt a friendly - whilst praying to randomly harm an unknown enemy (whoever that might be).

So, while I'm not saying that what Sasaki says is absolutely true, it does seem to be the case with me. There may be other players who do not know their specific roles. That may account for some of the alleged lurking.

Or: maybe the Org 'ate' a few PM's 3 days ago.

Or: It's SF's intention to keep some of us in the dark until later... in which case I've probably screwed myself here, revealing the truth.

Heck, it's vote time again.
Vote: Kagemusha, for over-explaining his rationale.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-08-2007, 03:11

^^You should have a pm, that was probably a mistake somewhere

That means only those with roles are in the retinue of the lords.

Csargo

02-08-2007, 03:14

No PM, no clan, no affiliation - so no clue here; just casting about in the dark, hoping to not hurt a friendly - whilst praying to randomly harm an unknown enemy (whoever that might be).

So, while I'm not saying that what Sasaki says is absolutely true, it does seem to be the case with me. There may be other players who do not know their specific roles. That may account for some of the alleged lurking.

Or: maybe the Org 'ate' a few PM's 3 days ago.

Or: It's SF's intention to keep some of us in the dark until later... in which case I've probably screwed myself here, revealing the truth.

Sigurd must have messed up. I say we restart the game!:smash: :beam: :laugh4:

Kagemusha

02-08-2007, 03:16

Csargo

02-08-2007, 03:22

KukriKhan

02-08-2007, 03:26

Last received PM:

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about 12 hours before SF posted that he'd sent 32 PM's (and 3 hadn't read theirs - I guess I was one).

If it was intentional... you guys play a tough game, developing the rules and the roles as you go along. Cool. Quite a challenge. :thumbsup:

KukriKhan

02-08-2007, 03:35

Kukri. As i sayed before i stopped my pursue of Sasaki and unvoted him, when i was convinced that there were indeed serfs without masters.I posted that part of rules to show what was the reason i started the pursue in the first place.

Indeed. I re-read your input, and retract my accusation.

Unvote: Kagemusha
Vote: Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot for lurking. (Maybe he also got no PM, in which case I'm probably voting to lynch a friendly, for which I apologize. All he has to do is speak up, and I'll change that vote).

Seamus Fermanagh

02-08-2007, 04:22

I think my lurking profile is getting me killed in each and every single game, I should participate more. :computer:

That would be correct. You also tend to drop out of the interaction -- mostly -- once you've been offed, so its a moderately profitable kill choice. Or, as in Graffiti, twigs people's suspicions enough to make you lynch bait.

Redleg

02-08-2007, 04:50

Several are still lurking - so in order to create futher discussion

Vote:Reenk

Motep

02-08-2007, 05:15

Im not lurking...Ive been away from my computer...far, far, away. School, chess, swimming, eating, ad my trusty book. Speaking of which...Ill have to read it some more...it finally got out of the dry spell...

Vote: Orb

Why is it that you attempt to destroy my honor? So, i vote you, for voting me.

pevergreen

02-08-2007, 05:34

Bah

Nothing yet...

Vote: Abstain

CountArach

02-08-2007, 06:42

Vote: Pevergreen for wanting to put on a mask of innocence by Abstaining.

Csargo

02-08-2007, 07:50

Have I not yet convinced you of my innocence, Sasaki?

sapi

02-08-2007, 08:22

I have a question, does sapi usually get into the role playing theme?
e.g. Start talking about the mafia as Jotuns and all that...

Thanks,
ByzantineKnight
Not when all those posts were in the middle of my school day :laugh4:

It's very interesting how this is developing.

While there have been some good points on both sides, i don't think Sasaki has actually answered the questions put to him :no:

Vote: Kage, both because of what Kukri suggested and because of his insistence on categorising the townies rather than the jotun :laugh4:

pevergreen

02-08-2007, 09:43

Vote: Pevergreen for wanting to put on a mask of innocence by Abstaining.
Mask of Innocence? I am innocent.

I voted abstain as I have no ideas at this point, and no lynching wouldnt do anything.

Andres

02-08-2007, 09:54

Well, Kagemusha and Tom_Hagen. You two obviously have clan affiliations. I just wonder, what about your victory conditions. Is the towns' intrest = your intrest? Do your victory conditions allow a townie victory?

On the other hand, I understand Kagemusha's pursuit of Sasaki now.

For now:

Unvote : Kagemusha
Vote : Lord Motep

Motep's only reason for voting Orb is : I vote for you because you voted for me. That reason is just not good enough.

sapi

02-08-2007, 09:58

@Andres - from my reading of the information there are no clan victories, only a townie one.

(i'm guessing this as pretty much everyone, even those who claim clan affiliations, have reported seeing human in their pms)

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-08-2007, 11:46

There still is no evidence so I:
Vote: Abstain

If I was mafia I would be voting for an innocent would I not.

Sigurd

02-08-2007, 11:48

As for people not having received PMs ... I am positive that I sent all of them.
As for Kukri not receiving his I can only apologize . He was however never forgotten and have an active role in my game as recorded in my spread sheet. No need to restart the game.

You have a PM Kukri...

If there is any others that might not have received theirs.. please pm me and it will be all sorted out.

pevergreen

02-08-2007, 12:09

There still is no evidence so I:
Vote: Abstain

If I was mafia I would be voting for an innocent would I not...
No, you could vote abstain to distance yourself, or to vote for everyone.
If you were mafia, you would be happy with an abstain, as any death is a good death for you..:inquisitive:

KukriKhan

02-08-2007, 12:13

I confirm receiving this second PM. I feel - included :laugh4:

Per my condition, unvote: Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot (welcome to the game).

vote: abstain

Husar

02-08-2007, 12:49

There still is no evidence so I:
Vote: Abstain

If I was mafia I would be voting for an innocent would I not...
No, you wouldn't because if you wouldn't you could add as a last sentence what you added as a last sentence which is in fact a rhetorical question that got answered in a possibly unexpected way by me now.:sweatdrop:

Unvote: Orb
Vote: Pevergreen

Well, the idea here is that many seem innocent, but still vote for someone who they think may be guilty. Now some part-time lurkers come and vote Abstain which may be simply because as Jotun, they don't want to vote for innocents because that could give them away.

Sigurd

02-08-2007, 13:11

small update to the Round 2 initial post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1420007&postcount=267) ...

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-08-2007, 13:34

Guys, this is not a game with the no lynch option. If I could I would select it.

Stig

02-08-2007, 13:44

My god, you miss 15 hours of posting and you miss 5 pages, can't we go out anymore to drink and party.
I still have to read all those pages again and again so:
Vote: Abstain

Till I have someone to vote for.

I think I stay at Abstain for now, this just doesn't make since when you have a hangover

HughTower

02-08-2007, 14:55

Facts:

pevergreen is not Jotun.
Redleg has high Holmgang stats. Why?
I used the Holmgang process because it was novel & there was only a 1 in 6 chance of being selected. Fool me!:embarassed:

My thoughts:

This is a large game with a vocal minority. The Jotun, if they are experienced, will be lurking (cf. Prole & RR in CdiT). Unless, of course, they include Sasaki or Ichigo - in which case they'd maintain their post count. Pick the lurkers for the moment.

Don Corleone

02-08-2007, 15:16

There still is no evidence so I:
Vote: Abstain

If I was mafia I would be voting for an innocent would I not...

You don't say anything for four days, and when you finally do speak up, this little bit of self-promotionary fluff is the best you can come up with?

Beyond lurking (and there are some valid reasons, like Caius), sooner or later the Jotun are going to be "Oh yeah, we gotta say something", and they'll chime in with a comment here or there, but it will be identifiable in that it does nothing to help the Thing find the Jotun.

The abstain does nothing to help the race of man. We all know that lynching is the town's only chance. Abstaining reduces the Jotun's chances of being lynched from slim to none.

Then, using that abstain to attempt to further reinforce one's innocence, and by the way, your premise, that Jotun (or Mafia) try to lynch innocents is only true later in the game. In the early game, Jotun (mafia) do exactly that, typically.

The only way you could have played this one worse would have been to pick somebody and say "But I have no reason for doing so, please forgive me". Hell, you could have picked a lurker, you could have disagreed with somebody, there's plenty of things to look for by now.

Me smell Jotun...

Unvote: Sasaki Vote: Omanes

Motep

02-08-2007, 15:30

Proletariat

02-08-2007, 15:35

This is a large game with a vocal minority. The Jotun, if they are experienced, will be lurking (cf. Prole & RR in CdiT). Unless, of course, they include Sasaki or Ichigo - in which case they'd maintain their post count. Pick the lurkers for the moment.

Fwiw, you did the whole 'LYNCH LURKERS' thing in CDCT, and turned out to be a Made. I was thoroughly convinced you were innocent, and figured you'd be one of the biggest mafia pains.

Still not sure who to vote this round, but we should nail somebody. A lurker I think would be good, but hopefully not someone who'll get WoGed soon. I think Husar is on the right track here voting someone who's just posted a little bit. Someone who's posted just enough to claim that they're involved with the town, but not actually say anything meaningful. A player like that is more likely imo to be mafia, rather than the folks who've said absolutely nothing (prolly the types of players who sign up, then say to hell with it when they don't get a special role).

Vote: JimBob for now

HughTower

02-08-2007, 16:22

Fwiw, you did the whole 'LYNCH LURKERS' thing in CDCT, and turned out to be a Made. I was thoroughly convinced you were innocent, and figured you'd be one of the biggest mafia pains.

Vote: JimBob for now

Well, in that game, it was easy to play both sides (certainly as a wiseguy). I could make genuine & truthful Mafia hunting arguments & not be harming my chances of winning. It goes without saying that it is much more difficult in a two-sided game to do that.

From my little experience, there are a couple of truisms. People enjoy having a role, & will involve themselves more if they have one. Those people who regularly play Mafia on this forum don't play just make up the numbers, they are aware of the commitment that it takes.

So, in conclusion, you should pick to lynch someone is a) borderline lurking, & b) is experienced enough to know the consequences & has happily played the townie role in the past. There are exceptions to be made, of course - mainly for the noisy ones.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-08-2007, 16:41

So would you rather I lynch somebody just for the sake of it?

Dutch_guy

02-08-2007, 16:57

You also tend to drop out of the interaction -- mostly -- once you've been offed, so its a moderately profitable kill choice. Or, as in Graffiti, twigs people's suspicions enough to make you lynch bait.

Aye, although I do tend to be a bit more active behind the scenes once killed.

Oh, and getting killed by three lynch votes in Graffiti won't be forgotten anytime soon ~;)

PS: I do find, at least for me, that time-zones can somewhat hinder ones participation. A lot of people, including myself, are put off at times by the 4 extra pages full of accusations, votes, and (fake)reveals one has to read to simply have an idea what was missed during the night...:skull:

:balloon2:

Stig

02-08-2007, 17:05

PS: I do find, at least for me, that time-zones can somewhat hinder ones participation. A lot of people, including myself, are put off at times by the 4 extra pages full of accusations, votes, and (fake)reveals one has to read to simply have an idea what was missed during the night...:skull:

Aye, I agree, normally I'll check in multiple times between 20:00 and 24:00, yesterday I went out (~:cheers:) so I missed 5 bloody pages, I simply have to start all over again.

HughTower

02-08-2007, 17:06

So would you rather I lynch somebody just for the sake of it?

Vote someone to lynch to bring them out in defense - if they're not paying attention, they're not helping.
Early on, townies have numerical advantage, so the odd lynching does not matter, & there is a small chance of a correct guess.
Abstain has zero chance of a correct guess.
Lurking is a viable strategy for Mafia (& other roles).

So, in the absence of more enlightening evidence, yes, I would.

Don Corleone

02-08-2007, 17:08

Aye, although I do tend to be a bit more active behind the scenes once killed.

Oh, and getting killed by three lynch votes in Graffiti won't be forgotten anytime soon ~;)

PS: I do find, at least for me, that time-zones can somewhat hinder ones participation. A lot of people, including myself, are put off at times by the 4 extra pages full of accusations, votes, and (fake)reveals one has to read to simply have an idea what was missed during the night...:skull:

:balloon2:

It goes both ways though. There was one mafia game where the deadline was 1PM Eastern time. Except on weekends, it's very tough for those of us in the Eastern US, let alone California, to squeeze in that much mafia time while at work/school.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-08-2007, 18:08

Vote someone to lynch to bring them out in defense - if they're not paying attention, they're not helping.
Early on, townies have numerical advantage, so the odd lynching does not matter, & there is a small chance of a correct guess.
Abstain has zero chance of a correct guess.
Lurking is a viable strategy for Mafia (& other roles).
So, in the absence of more enlightening evidence, yes, I would.
Ok then:
Unvote; Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Why you may ask, but for the simple reason that when I moved my mouse up and down over the list of players he was the one that my cursor stopped over.

Husar

02-08-2007, 18:45

Guys, this is not a game with the no lynch option. If I could I would select it.
Well, a tie does result in no lynch as we have seen, so the option may not be needed. Apart from it being not a great idea anyway.

Facts:

pevergreen is not Jotun.
Redleg has high Holmgang stats. Why?

1. How did you get to this conclusion? Did I miss something?

2. Redleg could just have low stats and have been lucky. The Holmgang stats represent a certain chance to win but even a townie could beat a Lord with a lot of luck.

Ok then:
Unvote; Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Why you may ask, but for the simple reason that when I moved my mouse up and down over the list of players he was the one that my cursor stopped over.
Well, GH is not really a lurker, you might have wanted to cut your list to include lurkers, because HughTower said(in the post you quoted) that lurking is a mafia strategy.
Just imagine someone like me would take a wild guess now and suspect that you are protecting your fellow lurking mafioso...

I will skip making an additional post and do it right now:
Unvote: Pevergreen
Vote: Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-08-2007, 18:51

Why do you people vote for me! Anybody who votes me as of now gets challenged - and has to fight to the death and, trust me on this, my rating is quite high.

Redleg

02-08-2007, 19:10

2. Redleg could just have low stats and have been lucky. The Holmgang stats represent a certain chance to win but even a townie could beat a Lord with a lot of luck.

The description would seem to indicate that we were about equal in the Holmgang or that I got lucky with my defeating of Hughtower. Remember in the initial part of the battle -Hughtower struck first and did more damage. Only the berserkr rage and the disregard for my own death resulted in his death.

They seemed even matched but one or both could be hiding their true power. HughTower started by lashing out a combination and hit Redleg twice. One slash across the chest and one in the left thigh. Redleg bellowed in pain and parried the next combination. Steel on steel could be heard miles away. The combatants got weary and HughTower slipped in the grass. Redleg got a few nicks on HughTower who quickly recovered from his unbalance. He put another slash across the ribs of Redleg. Now Redleg saw red and bellowed like a Berserkr. He found new strength and the match was suddenly over as Redleg stepped around HughTower’s blade and stabbed him through the throat. Blood spilled out on HughTower’s tunic and life ebbed from his eyes. The match was over and Redleg slumped to his knees panting.
No one cheered.
Some of the men with Redleg helped him up and supported him back to their camp.

So one of two things happened.

1. Hughtower had what he thought was a high holmgang score and wanted to test it out, and picked the wrong viking to pick a fight with. With the description of the fight - I would think we were close in holmgang scores. My role description has be down as a war vetern.

2. I got extremely lucky

I go with a combintation of both - Hughtower was either a jarl or one of the jotun and got cocky because of his high holmgang not realizing that he was picking a fight with this old war vetern who is serving his King. The fight was won because of the luck of the berserkr rage, attempting to step around a blade in a fight is a extremely risky manuever and takes a bit of luck to survive it. That old war veterns have taken wounds before and minor flesh wounds don't stop us from performing our duty probably help me overcome Hughtower in the end. That and the gods decided to intercide in my behave because my cause was more rightous.

Stig

02-08-2007, 19:15

Why do you vote for me! Anybody who votes me as of now gets challenged - and has to fight to the death.
oooooh, sounds dangerous :hide:

Reenk Roink

02-08-2007, 19:16

I've been busy the past two days, but now I'm back.

My special role gives me no real powers, but I am supposed to confuse the town and Æsir (how do I write this without copying and pasting?) but for the greater good of confusing the Jotun.

I'll be trying to do my job in the coming days, so just eat candy and rub balloons on your head.

I also have a really high Holmgang ability (I'm a God), so if anyone wants to try... :wink:

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-08-2007, 20:03

oooooh, sounds dangerous :hide:
I'm not especially dangerous, or at least not really, I'm only a feeble and weak towniee after all, but you still wouldn't desire to challenge me.

HughTower

02-08-2007, 20:28

They seemed even matched but one or both could be hiding their true power.

I had good Holmgang stats. This description suggests we were at least even. Sigurd also described us both as 'big' men. Redleg has answered the question, & his response is plausible, but, lest we forget, not cast iron. The information he has given could have been ascertained from Sigurd's notes.

I would suggest that another player, also with war veteran status, quiz him privately on the specifics of his PM (e.g. swapping first & second lines with each other). If it checks out, then we have a core of (at least) 2 people who know the other is town, & everyone else with that same role can flock there & get themselves 'cleared' of being a Jotun.

Obviously, if it doesn't check out, then we need to know why.

Sigurd

02-08-2007, 21:02

---- voting Closed ----

Redleg

02-08-2007, 21:28

I had good Holmgang stats. This description suggests we were at least even. Sigurd also described us both as 'big' men. Redleg has answered the question, & his response is plausible, but, lest we forget, not cast iron. The information he has given could have been ascertained from Sigurd's notes.

I would suggest that another player, also with war veteran status, quiz him privately on the specifics of his PM (e.g. swapping first & second lines with each other). If it checks out, then we have a core of (at least) 2 people who know the other is town, & everyone else with that same role can flock there & get themselves 'cleared' of being a Jotun.

Obviously, if it doesn't check out, then we need to know why.

Back to Vahalla with you ghost.....:laugh4:

Yes this is a good suggestion - all it takes is one individual to come forward and confirm that I am indeed a war vetern and serve my king. But it can not be Tom because we serve different kings.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-08-2007, 21:32

I might as well make an early challange:
Challenge: Husar

Or is this too early?

Dutch_guy

02-08-2007, 21:36

Yes this is a good suggestion - all it takes is one individual to come forward and confirm that I am indeed a war vetern and serve my king. But it can not be Tom because we serve different kings.

Do dead individuals count, or was asking that stupid ? ~;)

-----

Omanes,

Why Husar though ?

:balloon2:

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-08-2007, 21:38

Why Husar though ?
He voted for me, me being beyond innocent, you people must learn that I carry out my threats. The same goes for anybody else who votes for me, it is evident that they are suspicious in some way or another. That is why I prefer to vote abstain rather than risk losing a fellow innocent and marking myself as guilty Jotun.

Seamus Fermanagh

02-08-2007, 21:39

Redleg's Holmgang score may be higher than HughTowers. Nothing in the description indicates that this was a mis-match however. The description did depict ascent to Valhalla.

Death scenes for Sir Moody and for Hugh both depicted this. Dutch's did not.

Jotun will have high but not unbeatable scores in Holmgang (see ealier posts). I think we can bank on this.

Hagen was attacked and miraculously healed. He is either a supernatural or we have a doctor to thank. Hagen has aserted his humanity so far.

Hagen's being attacked confirm he is not a jotun, but does not automatically confirm his role as innocent (though the odds favor that).

Once again, we have no decisive vote. That old man's gonna be pissed.

Sorry to have missed the vote -- wrapping up my own game. Won't happen again.

:captain: Aye Aye sir! Let's get this ship sailing! We have two no lynch rounds so far -- okay it happens -- but the value of this for the town is progressively more and more limited as more of us are killed.

Don Corleone

02-08-2007, 21:41

He voted for me, you must learn that I carry out my threats.

You abstained, claiming your abstention was proof of your innocence. Then you took affront when people questioned that statement. Then you change your abstain to something even worse, a random vote. Then you take offense when Husar votes for you, and you threaten anyone else that might vote for you. Finally, you dodge me, and challenge Husar, hoping his stats are lower than mine, because you suspect I might be a tougher challenge.

We shall see, foul Jotun.

Challenge: Omanes

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-08-2007, 21:45

Challenge me as much as you will, I cannot die, in challenges I am an immortal!

Don Corleone

02-08-2007, 21:51

Challenge me as much as you will, I cannot die, in challenges I am an immortal...

Baloney. Sigurd wouldn't rig a game like this.

We've got ourselves a Jotun by the tail, folks. If he didn't come out ahead on the votes this round, let's lynch his murdering hide in the next.

Kagemusha

02-08-2007, 21:54

Challenge me as much as you will, I cannot die, in challenges I am an immortal...

Then we should hang you in the Odins three the next turn.:skull:

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-08-2007, 21:57

Oh darn it, I really wish I had lurked. I am not a Jotun, trust me on that one, please I beg.

Seamus Fermanagh

02-08-2007, 22:02

So, your defense boils down to "trust me."

In a Mafia game?:dizzy:

I think I'm going to enjoy watching Hagen have at you.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

02-08-2007, 22:07

He will never see me dead, even if he wins the challenge somebody else's blood will flow!

Sigurd

02-08-2007, 22:11

The day neared its summit and again the people of the three kingdoms gathered at the rune stone. The old Hovgod stood there waiting.
People seemed rather nervous and many looked at their feet instead of looking the old man in the eyes.
The old man shook his head and told the person holding the tally to come forward. “You must be the one they call Husar?” Husar seemed embarrassed of being the one to deliver the sad numbers to the Hovgod and coughed: “ .. eh.. yes.. it is”.

The old man took a quick look at the slate and exclaimed: “BY ODIN’S Ravens.” Somewhere close the 'Craa' from a crow or a raven was heard. The people looked up at the old man and he smiled a little. “You have done it again” he said with a bitter tongue. “A five way tie with only 2 votes on each… There is just unwillingness to get to the bottom of this isn’t there?” He threw the slate down and looked intently on the gathering. Then he walked up to Tom Hagen and put his arm around him. “Here is a man who would be dead this morning hadn’t it been for divine intervention. This man was stabbed 15 times in the heart but live to see the day. He saw who his assailant was. Go on Tom tell us.” Tom Hagen was still a little shaky about last night’s events and stammered: “I saw a Jotun. A Jotun attacked me while I was sleeping”. The old man continued: “Yes a Jotun… Here amongst us. This creature will try to slay all of you. The only way to kill it is by stabbing it trough it’s black heart. Now Tom here is obviously not a Jotun as he survived his stabs. We need to work together now to root out this vile creature and bring it here that we can send it back to Hel where it belongs.
As for today there will be no execution.

Not voting: 9 (AtPG, CF, Disc, Jimbob, Kralizec, RR, Seamus, Sir Boo and Warluster)
Abstains: 3 (Kukri, pevergreen, Stig)

Kagemusha: 2 (Andres, sapi)
Omanes..: 2 (Husar, Tom Hagen)
Lord Motep: 2 (ByzantineK, Orb)
Reeink Roink: 2 (Ichigo, Redleg)
Ichigo: 2 (Kage, Sasaki)

Pevergreen: 1 (CountA)
Discovery1: 1 (CR)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (GH)
Orb: 1 (Lord Motep)
GH: 1 (Omanes..)
Jimbob: 1 (Prole)

Tally:

Murdered (3):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy

Killed in Holmgang (1):
HughTower (Redleg)

Still Alive (28):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
ByzantineKnight
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Discovery1
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
JimBob
Kagemusha
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Orb
pevergreen
Proletariat
Redleg
Reenk Roink
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo
Stig
Tom Hagen
Warluster

Pms please!!! deadline: 21:00 GMT+1 tomorrow.

Dutch_guy

02-08-2007, 22:22

Redleg's Holmgang score may be higher than HughTowers. Nothing in the description indicates that this was a mis-match however. The description did depict ascent to Valhalla.

Death scenes for Sir Moody and for Hugh both depicted this. Dutch's did not.

Jotun will have high but not unbeatable scores in Holmgang (see ealier posts). I think we can bank on this.

But what can we conclude from that, from the (death scene) descriptions ?

I agree with the latter part of the posts, the Jotun will have somewhat of an edge in a Holmgang, but I doubt they'd be able to turn into Giants whilst fighting in a Holmgang (would kind of blow their cover...) so they're most definately not unbeatable.

:balloon2:

Kagemusha

02-08-2007, 22:28

I will also challenge Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot! I will propose axes for weapons so i can take his head and put it into a spike, if i dont die before that.But if i die il be happy since i get to Valhalla where Jotuns look like Jotuns and men like men.
EDIT: Arent there others who wish to challenge this Omanes who claims to be immortal? Also i have thought lot about this whole lynching business and Maybe old man Sigurd can help us out. If maybe my fellow men are reluctant to lynch anyone becouse incase if we lynch someone who is innocent he wont get to Valhalla becouse he has not died in battle?~;)

Sigurd

02-08-2007, 23:00

--- ANNOUNCEMENT ---

There will be extended rounds this weekend.
I just found out that I will not be home at 21:00 GMT+1 tomorrow or Saturday.

I will add 10 hours to the next two rounds and the new deadline is : 0600 GMT+1 Saturday morning (Europe) and 16:00 GMT+1 Sunday afternoon.

Then back to 21:00 GMT+1 monday

Sigurd

Sasaki Kojiro

02-08-2007, 23:35

Oh great, another round with no lynching.

I think GH is much too quiet.

Motep

02-08-2007, 23:55

Challenge: Orb

we must settle this once and for all...

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 00:06

Challenge me as much as you will, I cannot die, in challenges I am an immortal.Baloney. Sigurd wouldn't rig a game like this.

We've got ourselves a Jotun by the tail, folks. If he didn't come out ahead on the votes this round, let's lynch his murdering hide in the next.

It may be very possible that he is "immortal" in a sense.

I am a God, and one of my attributes is that I cannot be murdered at night by anyone.

Now, Sigurd never said anything about Holmgang challenges (though practically, I am very hard to beat) or lynchings (which I guess everyone is vulnerable to).

Still, it's not prudent to dismiss the guys claim just like that, simply because I have immortality too (in another sense)...

Kagemusha

02-09-2007, 00:11

Redleg

02-09-2007, 00:18

It may be very possible that he is "immortal" in a sense.

I am a God, and one of my attributes is that I cannot be murdered at night by anyone.

Now, Sigurd never said anything about Holmgang challenges (though practically, I am very hard to beat) or lynchings (which I guess everyone is vulnerable to).

Still, it's not prudent to dismiss the guys claim just like that, simply because I have immortality too (in another sense)...

Claiming to be a god in a camp of mortal men - normally equates to either being touched in the head or being a Jotun that has Forgotten himself that he is still mortal.

Now in proving one is a god among men - would require a demonstration of one's powers. Are you going to throwing lighting out of your hands - or will it just be hot gas from your behind......:laugh4: Fireballs from your arse - now that would be godlike.

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 00:23

HughTower

02-09-2007, 00:31

I am actually the rebel God of Chaos.

And I'm Sean Connery. Nice to meet you.

Wouldn't a God of Chaos be inherently contradictory?

I think you're actually Sandi, a rosy-cheeked serving wench.:cheerleader:

Kagemusha

02-09-2007, 00:36

I am actually the rebel God of Chaos.

I have no special ability except that I can't be targeted (Sigurd kept it broad so I'm thinking some Æsir have a kill ability) and I have a high Homgang rating (I asked Sigurd and he said I'll be "winning a lot").

So why should we keep such a chaos God alive among us? You might be even even planning Ragnarök the end of days upon us.:inquisitive:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-09-2007, 00:43

Kage what would be the point of giving a mafia aligned role nightkill immunity?

Kagemusha

02-09-2007, 00:49

Kage what would be the point of giving a mafia aligned role nightkill immunity?

Ask Reenk.I dont know. Im just asking questions about this claimed God and if he is right im about to be killed by a God. Which is a great honour in my mind.:laugh4: Sasaki, what point would be having a special character that doesnt do anything and cant be killed at night?

Sasaki Kojiro

02-09-2007, 00:58

Ask Reenk.I dont know. Im just asking questions about this claimed God and if he is right im about to be killed by a God. Which is a great honour in my mind.:laugh4: Sasaki, what point would be having a special character that doesnt do anything and cant be killed at night?

Could be useful. I'm guessing reenk will be of help in holmgang'ing the jotun.

Kagemusha

02-09-2007, 01:03

Could be useful. I'm guessing reenk will be of help in holmgang'ing the jotun.

Or maybe Reenk is making that up in order to save himself from lynching as he already knows that he cant be targeted by his fellow Jotunis at night. If Reenk really is a Chaos God and wants to help the town, in that case i dont feel bad for the Jotuns. Well soon we will see how strong these gods are.

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 01:08

Or maybe Reenk is making that up in order to save himself from lynching as he already knows that he cant be targeted by his fellow Jotunis at night. If Reenk really is a Chaos God and wants to help the town, in that case i dont feel bad for the Jotuns. Well soon we will see how strong these gods are.

I'm actually glad I'm already causing chaos, but this statement is kinda too obvious...

I was never in trouble of getting lynched. I could have just lurked like in Capo and gotten away for a very long time.

I did this entirely out of my own initiative, because I am supposed to cause chaos as I am the God of Chaos.

I'm telling you, I'm the God of Chaos. I'm not aligned to anyone, and I'm supposed to confuse the town and Æsir and also the Jotun.

Still, I do want some people not to believe me... It causes chaos. :smiley:

Kagemusha

02-09-2007, 01:12

I'm actually glad I'm already causing chaos, but this statement is kinda too obvious...

I was never in trouble of getting lynched. I could have just lurked like in Capo and gotten away for a very long time.

I did this entirely out of my own initiative, because I am supposed to cause chaos as I am the God of Chaos.

I'm telling you, I'm the God of Chaos. I'm not aligned to anyone, and I'm supposed to confuse the town and Æsir and also the Jotun.

Still, I do want some people not to believe me... It causes chaos. :smiley:

Well Confusing Chaos Reenk.Can you tell us your name?Im Kander “the Finn” Gudmundsson. What do they call you in these parts?

Stig

02-09-2007, 01:15

If Reenk can't do anything why would the Jotun kill him?

Chaos helps the Jotun imo, there are 3 Jotun and about 30 townies, who will get confused first?

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 01:18

My name is Loki.

Do not read unless you want to experience confusion and cause chaos...

The actual reason I started posting like this is because I have received a PM from a Jotun who knew my identity (in most cases, Gods are hidden from each other) and tried to get me to join his side (so I could use my Holmgang ability to help their cause).

Right now, I am deliberating whether to take the offer or expose him, but I will of course for now, withhold information from both groups, while offering this tantalizing clue, because I am the God of Chaos and I like to play tricks and confuse everyone. :smiley:

Sasaki Kojiro

02-09-2007, 01:20

haha, have fun reenk.

It's more fun if you don't tell us of course. <--this looks scummy but it's true

Stig

02-09-2007, 01:23

Well we can lynch Reenk next day because he's not being helpfull, or he can give us the name so we can lynch that one ... if we decide to believe him ... which I'm not really doing

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 01:24

haha, have fun reenk.

It's more fun if you don't tell us of course. <--this looks scummy but it's true

Hey everyone...

Isn't is quite odd how Sasaki Kojiro has been so content to accept me for who I am even though I am being so cryptic and suspicious?

This is Sasaki we are talking about.

He is the most suspicious player in these games and always thinks others are guilty and interrogates them.

Of course, maybe he is right all along to believe me, I just wanted to point out the other side of the story because it causes confusion and chaos. :smiley:

Kagemusha

02-09-2007, 01:24

Sasaki Kojiro

02-09-2007, 01:28

Hey everyone...

Isn't is quite odd how Sasaki Kojiro has been so content to accept me for who I am even though I am being so cryptic and suspicious?

This is Sasaki we are talking about.

I have instincts of steel and they say you are telling the truth. Except about the "being contacted by a jotun" part, which is a lie.

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 01:32

Well nice to meet you Loki the trickster.I hope your half brother Thor is also around to kick your butt incase your tricks turn out too nasty. It seems that We shouldnt hurry to Valhalla anymore since the Gods have chosen to come amongst us.:smash:

Thor doesn't know who I am and I don't know who Thor is. It's the sad case with undercover Gods...

Well we can lynch Reenk next day because he's not being helpfull, or he can give us the name so we can lynch that one ... if we decide to believe him ... which I'm not really doing

It's good you don't believe me because some others probably do and differing opinions on matters cause confusion and chaos.

However, before you lynch me, you might want to know that I have an offer waiting, and whichever side I choose to take (Jotun or Æsir) I will bestow a benefit.

After all, I am a God.

You might help me make up my mind a bit faster Stig... :smiley:

One more thing, here is my PM:

Loki: The God of tricks and pranks. The rebel God is a well known force often misinterpreted as evil. Loki made much mischief but also some good deeds.

Your task in this game is to make chaos. It should be a fun task.

As the god of tricks and pranks you do not really affiliate to either Jotun (Mafia) or Æsir (pro-town).

But you can decide which alignment you will follow.

At some point in the game, PM me with your alignment but do it before the last two rounds in the game. No one knows how long this game will last, and it will be a chance to stall too long. If no PM is received and the game ends, you will be on the losing team.

When you PM me with your alignment, you are able to help your side in a small but important way. It depends on which alignment you choose, so I will tell you after you send your PM.

There is one person from both the Æsir and Jotun who know your identity, but otherwise you are an undercover God.

Note: I have omitted my Holmgang ability.

Enjoy thinking about this for a while :smiley:

I have instincts of steel and they say you are telling the truth. Except about the "being contacted by a jotun" part, which is a lie.

Yup, your instincts of steel got you to trust me as a detective in Mafia V.

Thanks for the support though. :smiley:

Kagemusha

02-09-2007, 01:33

I have instincts of steel and they say you are telling the truth. Except about the "being contacted by a jotun" part, which is a lie.

Ofcourse.In my mind only your humbleness can compete with your instincts of steel.~D

Stig

02-09-2007, 01:36

The Roles:

6 Lords – this will be the Jarls and petty kings of Hordaland
3 Jotun – the Mafiosi
Pro-town roles
Townies (various roles in the retinue of the lords)

where's yours in that one?

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 01:37

where's yours in that one?

Pro-town roles of course.

GeneralHankerchief

02-09-2007, 01:38

This *is* Reenk we're talking about, people.

Personally, I don't trust him because he's a well-known PM faker and even if he wasn't, we still have his personality to go on.

(Anyone remember The List, Reenk's Fan Club, abstaining courteously, The Wanax, the talking in code/smilies?) :tongue:

I don't know what to make of this, actually. I still think that either Sasaki or Kage is a Jotun, leaning towards Sasaki.

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 01:40

Csargo

02-09-2007, 02:48

Might as well make it interesting.

Challenge:Sasaki Kojiro

pevergreen

02-09-2007, 02:49

Hmm...lots of reading... I would challange Sasaki..but Ichigo got there..

CountArach

02-09-2007, 02:51

I thought Ichigo was already challenging me? Is it possible to have multiple challenges at the same time?

Csargo

02-09-2007, 02:52

I thought Ichigo was already challenging me? Is it possible to have multiple challenges at the same time?

That was last round. ~;) I have a beef with Sasaki now.

CountArach

02-09-2007, 02:54

Oh okay, in that case go ahead. If you hadn't I probably would've.

KukriKhan

02-09-2007, 02:54

**ANNOUNCEMENT**

I have a real-life funeral to attend, in a remote town in New Mexico. So I'll be away from the game for a few days (unless I can find someone there with a computer & internet), Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, returning late Monday.

For the good of the game, during that time, I hereby appoint Redleg as my representative, with full power of attorney, in The Midgard Saga. He can vote in my name, or not, as he sees fit, and otherwise direct my character, at his discretion, until my return. (He does not have my Org password, so any posts by KukriKhan are/will be actually by "me".).

This arrangement will end when I make a fromal announcement (like this one) of my return - or on the decision of Sigurd Fafnesbane, the Game Controller, to not allow.

signed,
Knut “the Khan” Magnarsson
aka KukriKhan

CountArach

02-09-2007, 02:56

Okay, sorry to hear you have to attend the funeral Kukri.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-09-2007, 03:05

I'm thinking GH is guilty. Maybe Ichigo as well.

Crazed Rabbit

02-09-2007, 04:04

Well, what the hey?

Challenge: GH

Your purely vengence vote for me insulted my honor and the honor of my family.

CR

GeneralHankerchief

02-09-2007, 04:05

You still haven't given me a reason for why you voted me in the first place.

Why do you want me dead, Rabbit?

Csargo

02-09-2007, 07:01

I'm thinking GH is guilty. Maybe Ichigo as well.

Really. I guess we will settle this on the battlefield.

Andres

02-09-2007, 09:23

The actual reason I started posting like this is because I have received a PM from a Jotun who knew my identity (in most cases, Gods are hidden from each other) and tried to get me to join his side (so I could use my Holmgang ability to help their cause).

Right now, I am deliberating whether to take the offer or expose him, but I will of course for now, withhold information from both groups, while offering this tantalizing clue, because I am the God of Chaos and I like to play tricks and confuse everyone. :smiley:

Time to choose your allignment.

Tell the town who the Jotun is so we can lynch him/her. You don't seem to have useful abilities like being able to investigate or protect. You might be useful in Holmgang, but apparently we seem to have several characters who can be useful in Holmgang, like Warriors and Champions. If you don't give us the name, I take it you have chosen to join the Jotun. So one (apparantly not so useful) pro-town for one Jotun seems like a good deal for the town.

Just to make it clear that I am not kidding:

Unvote : Lord Motep
Vote Reenk Roink.

My vote will stand as long as you don't give us the name of the Jotun who contacted you. If you are not with us, you are against us. Lynching a God who is against us Humans isn't a bad idea either.

EDIT : OOC, @KukriKhan: my condolences for your loss.

discovery1

02-09-2007, 09:51

Woah, Reenk says he's the god of Chaos. Now that sounds like Loki, who as I recall wasn't a god proper but at least part giant.

So, yeah lynch Reenk. Bloody Shape shifter, bet he'll show up as the Wannax again.....

Edit: I'm Sorry Kukri.

Stig

02-09-2007, 09:58

*Hits Andres with wet fish*
"It's night, go to sleep!"

discovery1

02-09-2007, 10:00

Now that I think about it, our enemies are giants, why don't they just cush us like bugs?

Andres

02-09-2007, 10:05

*Hits Andres with wet fish*
"It's night, go to sleep!"

:oops:

:creep:

Bah, fish! ~:angry:

Sigurd

02-09-2007, 10:46

Six challenges made:

1. Omanes vs. Husar
2. Tom Hagen vs. Omanes
3. Kagemusha vs. Omanes
4. Lord Motep vs. Orb
5. Ichigo vs. Sasaki
6. Crazed Rabbit vs. GH

No more will be considered in round 2.

It seems Omanes has a 3 in 6 chances of fighting a Holmgang this evening.
Good Luck.

The die will roll soon.

Sigurd

02-09-2007, 10:51

pevergreen

02-09-2007, 11:20

Ahhh! If i knew i could have challenged Sasaki it would have!

Blast! :furious2:

Motep

02-09-2007, 14:57

Roll it! Come on baby...4!

Sasaki Kojiro

02-09-2007, 15:40

Really. I guess we will settle this on the battlefield.

Maybe not. I'll stick with GH for now.

@Andres: le futile

Andres

02-09-2007, 15:44

@Andres: le futile

What do you mean by that? Reenk Roink is a God. He can play townie or mafia. He knows the identity of one of the three Jotun.

Why shouldn't he reveal the identity of one of the bad guys? If he doesn't reveal, I think we can take it that he decided to play against town. A God playing against town. I don't know about you, but that seems some pretty hard opposition. The kind of oppostion we should get rid of asap.

So, Sasaki, give me a good reason for not lynching RR if he doesn't want to decide to give the name of the Jotun (and thus actually decides to play for the bad guys)?

Proletariat

02-09-2007, 15:51

We should probably just ignore Reenk, or lynch him later. For all we know he's lieing about knowing a Jotun's identity, and since he's immortal and a God of mischief, he'd probably be just as happy to have the town waste time trying to lynch him instead of getting anything done.

Andres

02-09-2007, 15:57

We should probably just ignore Reenk, or lynch him later. For all we know he's lieing about knowing a Jotun's identity

I don't think anybody here is immune for a lynching. I don't read that in the rules of the game. So, I think general mafia rules apply here and that he will get killed by a lynching (or at least, we'll get rid of his material presence in the town).

If he's lying, he is of no use in which case his posts are working against the town. That's one reason to lynch him.

He is a God and thus a powerful character. A God playing against town? That's the second reason.

He might really know the identity of a Jotun. Thus far he hasn't revealed it. Third reason to lynch him.

I don't understand why you and Sasaki are so eager not to lynch him.

Care to elaborate? If you think that is too risky to post it in the thread, you can always pm me.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-09-2007, 15:58

What do you mean by that? Reenk Roink is a God. He can play townie or mafia. He knows the identity of one of the three Jotun.

Why shouldn't he reveal the identity of one of the bad guys? If he doesn't reveal, I think we can take it that he decided to play against town. A God playing against town. I don't know about you, but that seems some pretty hard opposition. The kind of oppostion we should get rid of asap.

So, Sasaki, give me a good reason for not lynching RR if he doesn't want to decide to give the name of the Jotun (and thus actually decides to play for the bad guys)?

1) He doesn't have one
2) I fully expect him to give one eventually

Lynching him is a decent play, especially compared to the last few rounds. I think we can do better though. He isn't going to respond to threats.

Andres

02-09-2007, 16:00

1) He doesn't have one
2) I fully expect him to give one eventually

Lynching him is a decent play, especially compared to the last few rounds. I think we can do better though. He isn't going to respond to threats.

One vote (mine) isn't enough to be seen as a threat. Several votes might be.

As long as I don't see a better option, I say we get rid of this untrusthworthy and possibly dangerous God.

Better to remove a possible threat than to lynch nobody for the third time in a row.

Unless a better choice appears.

Caius

02-09-2007, 16:43

GAH!
Im lost, and I cant understand at all.
Im not in home, Im at a cyber in a remote location.
@Tom_Hagen aka DonC:Its ok.I forgot to write a Anoouncement, and it was my fault.

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 17:03

Hehehe, I have earned the scorn of both the Jotun and the town now... :tongue2: :laugh4:

They both threaten me now... I feel that I must respond.

:stupido:

Addressed to the idiotic Jotun who goes by the name Hrungnir:

Do not ever try to play the Loki "the incredible trickmeister" Laufeyjarson. :rolleyes:

You and your crew are too acumenly challenged to realize that you cannot hurt me. By all means though, do try, I want to see what story Sigurd will write up on how Loki the trickster turned the tables on the Giants who tried to harm him.

If circumstances were as simple as this, I would give away your name right now, but there is some chaos to be stirred (yay! :2thumbsup:).

:stupido:

Addressed to the puny mortal townies who have tried to intimidate me:

You may be able to lynch me yes, but understand that I really do not care. This attitude goes back through all these games. Threats just make me more obstinate. I have nothing to gain by living or dying in this game, I am just here to play a role. So I'm going to play my given role, like it or not. You will put up with me, and you will like it, if you want my help.

If you don't want my help, feel free to lynch me. It won't hurt me as much as it will hurt you. You will waste a lynch, and lose perhaps the best Holmgang dueler. After all, you may have the champions and what not, but what makes you think they are the greatest fighters? It makes sense for Sigurd to give the highest Holmgang rating to a semi-neutral guy, as if he gave it to a side, it could unbalance the game.

Now, I've never had the desire to help the Jotun, I am too high above cowards who have to kill in the night because they lack the cajones to fight in a Holmgang (challenge is open to anyone by the way).

However, your accusations against me, and your empty threats anger me!

If you were to read my given PM (which definitely contains some truth, but it may not be all the truth :wink:), you would see that I have stronger ties to Æsir then to Jotun from the start. True, I am able to pick which side I want to join, but there is an implicit thrust that I side with you and that is what I would personally do in any Mafia game

I am a God who has no powers, except for a high Holmgang rating and some good info.

You need me more than the Jotun need me.
I have no need for anyone.

Just to exhibit some of my incredible knowledge:

Thralls have a 2 rating, War Veterans have a 3 rating.

I know the Holmgang rating of any mortal (not particular people, just different roles). I am kept in the dark about the Gods.

So I have weighed the sides, and made a decision.

I will not at all help the Jotun for their idiotic threats which they cannot carry out. :rolleyes:

I will not tell the town anything or duel on their behalf until I get an apology from all townies who insulted me:

1) Kagemusha
2) Redleg
3) discovery1
4) Proletariat

but especially AndersTheCunning... :veryangry:

If you say one more bad thing about me, I will have no choice but to enter a challenge in a Holmgang duel against you. This is me, Loki, who is passive in dueling.

I demand repentance and sacrifice!

Of course, there is that remarkable possibility that some of the things I say are utter BS. :laugh4:

I find it serves the purpose of confusion and chaos the best when one mixes truth and falsehood together. :smiley:

Note:

To my rival, whoever you are. Bring it on! :duel:

As soon as I find out who you are I will take you to the pavement... :smug:

Redleg

02-09-2007, 17:34

Dutch_guy

02-09-2007, 17:45

I am still waiting for you to demonstrate that you are a god Reenk.

Until I see such a demonstration - there was no insult given. Many men have claimed to be the God of Chaos - but all have fallen way short.

One sure fired way to demonstrate you are a god is that you know my name, and my holmgang score. You can either post it here or send me a PM -either way is fine. If you wish me to believe your the God of Chaos you must demonstrate other then with boasts,

I have no way to know if you're pro town or not, but it may be better to let our self proclaimed god prove himself by providing a Holmgang score of a dead man. We don't want to strip a townie, I'm going to assume that much, of potential leverage he might wield in the Holmgang.

I propose Reenk cite only the Holmgang scores of those who are dead, no names, titles, extra information, but merely the Holmgang score.

:balloon2:

Redleg

02-09-2007, 17:50

I have no way to know if you're pro town or not, but it may be better to let our self proclaimed god prove himself by providing a Holmgang score of a dead man. We don't want to strip a townie, I'm going to assume that much, of potential leverage he might wield in the Holmgang.

I propose Reenk cite only the Holmgang scores of those who are dead, no names, titles, extra information, but merely the Holmgang score.

:balloon2:

That would work also - but he can site the deads names and extra information - because if I understood the rules correctly - the dead can not reveal - but if we figured it out we can reveal. If Reenk is indeed a god - then I don't see where his providing such information in the thread of a dead man would constitute a violation of the rules.

But why don't we accept a reveal by Reenk of mine as proof. Its prefectly acceptable to me. If he is what he claims to be he alreadly knows it anyway. If he is right I will admit that he is, I have shared my information with three others - and they will no if he is right or not.

Sasaki Kojiro

02-09-2007, 17:51

Don't you get it, you have to apologize first :bounce:

Redleg

02-09-2007, 17:53

Don't you get it, you have to apologize first :bounce:

Oh a got it - but I don't accept his claim to be a god. He has to demonstrate it first.:smash:

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 17:53

I am still waiting for you to demonstrate that you are a god Reenk.

Until I see such a demonstration - there was no insult given. Many men have claimed to be the God of Chaos - but all have fallen way short.

One sure fired way to demonstrate you are a god is that you know my name, and my holmgang score. You can either post it here or send me a PM -either way is fine. If you wish me to believe your the God of Chaos you must demonstrate other then with boasts,

I don't know particulars, only general.

You guys are making too much of the "God" thing. I'm just playing my role with the info given to me. It's not much, but it's helpful.

If you give me either your Holmgang score, or your role, I can give you the other.

My role is Loki, the God of Chaos.

Having people debate whether to believe me means I am doing my job... :wink:

However, I want you to challenge me Redleg. Next round.

I believe that will demonstrate everything... :wink:

discovery1

02-09-2007, 17:57

My role is Loki, the God of Chaos.

Yes, and that means we can never be sure which side you are on, aside from your own. Ergo, we must lynch you. That, and you are the offspring of giants.

Kagemusha

02-09-2007, 17:57

Loki you are indeed a funny chap. I have already challenged One self proclaimed God to Holmgang and it was me who even introduced myself to you and you want an apology?
I hope Thor will smite you with Mjolnir few times across your temples to get you into your senses.:laugh4:

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 18:03

Redleg

02-09-2007, 18:08

I don't know particulars, only general.

You guys are making too much of the "God" thing. I'm just playing my role with the info given to me. It's not much, but it's helpful.

If you give me either your Holmgang score, or your role, I can give you the other.

My role is Loki, the God of Chaos.

Having people debate whether to believe me means I am doing my job... :wink:

However, I want you to challenge me Redleg. Next round.

I believe that will demonstrate everything... :wink:

If you are speaking the truth - challenging a god is foolish. So I leave it up to you to demonstrate that you are what you claim - or touched in the head. If your what you claim to be - you should be able to provide the information fairily simple. If you don't wish to make it public send a PM. A rather simple thing to do.

In this time in place touched in the head often equated to touched by the gods. So either way there is no honor in challenging you either way.

I rather just have you lynched during the next vote - if you don't provide the proof that supports your claim. Edit: Besides that the one making a big deal of the "God" claim seems to be you, since your the one that brought it up. Is the problem that your only godlike power is to indeed shoot fireballs from your behind?

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 18:16

If you are speaking the truth - challenging a god is foolish. So I leave it up to you to demonstrate that you are what you claim - or touched in the head. If your what you claim to be - you should be able to provide the information fairily simple. If you don't wish to make it public send a PM. A rather simple thing to do.

In this time in place touched in the head often equated to touched by the gods. So either way there is no honor in challenging you either way.

I rather just have you lynched during the next vote - if you don't provide the proof that supports your claim. Edit: Besides that the one making a big deal of the "God" claim seems to be you, since your the one that brought it up. Is the problem that your only godlike power is to indeed shoot fireballs from your behind?

Blah blah blah, you speak without understanding anything I have just said, continue to operate on your incorrect assumptions, yet you still have not grown the cajones to put your sword where your mouth is.

You waste my time... :rolleyes:

Begone.

Redleg

02-09-2007, 18:20

Seamus Fermanagh

02-09-2007, 18:23

I don't think we can afford to dismiss Reenk's claim to divinity.

Gods mingling with mortals would be very much in line with Norse sagas etc.

Of course, in the stories, Loki isn't exactly the one who inspires trust....

Redleg

02-09-2007, 18:25

Blah blah blah, you speak without understanding anything I have just said, continue to operate on your incorrect assumptions, yet you still have not grown the cajones to put your sword where your mouth is.

You waste my time... :rolleyes:

Begone.

Touched in the head it is,

1) the holmgang is closed until next round.
2) if it was open I could not challenge because of the last challenge I won.

So convince me not to campaign to have you lynched during the next vote phase. Because so far you have not convinced me at all. Removing you from the game seems to be a bigger benefit to the cause of the town then anyother possibility right now primarily due to your attempts at creating confusion and distrust.

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 18:27

Besides Reenk frankly its really much more simple to just have you lynched. If your claim of being the "God of Chaos" is correct - removing you will not hurt or help the town in either way. Your not providing assistance to the town only distracting it with your claims of knowledge that you do not share.

So giving up the name of the Jotun that you know would help you in that regards because it allows us to focus on that individual for the first half of the voting cycle.

So as far as I see it now - the most obvious individual to lynch is yourself with your desire to create chaos in the gathering versus assisting in destroying the Jotun

So voting for you will not be a bad thing at all. So convince me otherwise by logic and proof - no more making claims of being a god will be accepted by me as valid without the actual demonstration of the validity of the claim.

More "fireballs out of the behind" (that is how your small and vulgar brain puts it correct?) from you?

Let us count the ways:

:stupido:
You ask me to prove my role by telling you something I already have said I cannot tell you. :rolleyes:

:stupido:
You threaten me with lynching, when I have already said that I am unfazed by the possibility. :rolleyes:

...and to think progress was being made with AndersTheCunning...

His hard work at reconciling just went to naught...

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 18:30

Touched in the head it is,

:rolleyes:

1) the holmgang is closed until next round.

Which is why I said "Next round"... :rolleyes:

2) if it was open I could not challenge because of the last challenge I won.

That's why I said "Next round"... :rolleyes:

So convince me not to campaign to have you lynched during the next vote phase.

Don't request of me anything human.

Because so far you have not convinced me at all.

Do I care? I am the God of Chaos.

Removing you from the game seems to be a bigger benefit to the cause of the town then anyother possibility right now primarily due to your attempts at creating confusion and distrust.

I have to do what my role says, and if I am dead, I will still be PM'ing and carrying out my tasks.

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 18:31

Redleg

02-09-2007, 18:37

More "fireballs out of the behind" (that is how your small and vulgar brain puts it correct?) from you?

Oh I got even more and better ones. But hell its within the game role and the time

:stupido:
You ask me to prove my role by telling you something I already have said I cannot tell you. :rolleyes:

LOL you made the claim and you can not actually fulfill. Tell you what provide the Holmgang score of the Champion, the Jarl, the Jotun and yourself and lets see if you can actually provide the information.

So before calling someone stupid - you might want to be actually willing to provide the information. Yes Reenk the attempt with the smilie is seen for what it is. But you failed miresibly.

:stupido:
You threaten me with lynching, when I have already said that I am unfazed by the possibility. :rolleyes:

Not a threat at all - the best course of action for the town right now is to vote for your lynch - you provide no information, only arrogant claims and attempts at being confusing - again I don't make threats just observations.

...and to think progress was being made with AndersTheCunning...

His hard work at reconciling just went to naught...

Oh and like you were going to reconcile - you really are the stupido that the smilie you used demonstrates.

Care to play the insulting game - I can be rather good at it.

Touched in the head and stupid at the same time Reenk I am becoming rather amused by your inability to justify your claims.

Stig

02-09-2007, 18:47

Vote: Reenk for being irritating, pity it isn't day yet

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 18:50

Redleg, this is out of the game, but don't you see that it is you who throws the insults, and then gets very upset when others throw back. Happened in more than one game now...

Now, I can shrug off humor, from Kage, Sasaki, and whoever, and I get the vibe that they are joking. The same is not true for you. I'm sure other people who've had to contend with you feel the same...

Back to game.

LOL you made the claim and you can not actually fulfill. Tell you what provide the Holmgang score of the Champion, the Jarl, the Jotun and yourself and lets see if you can actually provide the information.

No, you are mistaken. I claimed that I knew general Holmgang stats, not particulars. I made this clear over and over again.

You said: "One sure fired way to demonstrate you are a god is that you know my name, and my holmgang score. You can either post it here or send me a PM -either way is fine. If you wish me to believe your the God of Chaos you must demonstrate other then with boasts,"

Now, how am I going to know these things? I never claimed I knew these things.

I do know that thralls have a Holmgang rating of 2, and War Veterans have a Holmgang rating of 3. I posted this before.

I'm not going to tell you the Champion or Jarl score is (one of them is 5, but I shall not tell which one), because frankly, I don't want anything to do with you anymore.

Why should I help the town or Jotun after all the crap I'm getting?

Jotun's do not have the same scores, you are mistaken here again.

Not a threat at all - the best course of action for the town right now is to vote for your lynch - you provide no information, only arrogant claims and attempts at being confusing - again I don't make threats just observations.

OK, I'll bite.

Your "observation" unfazes me. I really don't care if I get lynched.

All I have to make sure to do is send Sigurd that PM before, and I will do that.

Redleg

02-09-2007, 19:18

Redleg, this is out of the game, but don't you see that it is you who throws the insults, and then gets very upset when others throw back. Happened in more than one game now

Now, I can shrug off humor, from Kage, Sasaki, and whoever, and I get the vibe that they are joking. The same is not true for you. I'm sure other people who've had to contend with you feel the same...

It seems you can not handle it - rather interesting. Lets review "fireballs from the rearend" is an ingame insult on your claim to be a god. Same as "touched in the head" if you claim that I am upset about your comments it because of your failure to probably read. Notice that even the calling of stupid was dealt with at the game role not anything else.

Oh and like you were going to reconcile - you really are the stupido that the smilie you used demonstrates.

Care to play the insulting game - I can be rather good at it.

Touched in the head and stupid at the same time Reenk I am becoming rather amused by your inability to justify your claims.

Once again read the comment - it seems that some like to play the game of insults but don't want them dealt back. If you can not handle blunt speech maybe its best for you to not respond, nor attempt the tactic you have with me. Its really that simple.

Like I said I can play the insulting game just as well as others - its just I am more blunt and to the point with it. The game in question was not about insults but childish spaming of the thread, the abuse of a moderator's ability to undo influence the game, and other childish behavior. The kicker was the use of childish statements and emotioncon's to insult coupled with that childish spamming that set me off, along with some real-life pressure issues that happened at the same time . So don't believe for a second its purely about "in game insults." Your claim here is as false as I believe your claim to be a god in this game is.

No, you are mistaken. I claimed that I knew general Holmgang stats, not particulars. I made this clear over and over again.

You said: "One sure fired way to demonstrate you are a god is that you know my name, and my holmgang score. You can either post it here or send me a PM -either way is fine. If you wish me to believe your the God of Chaos you must demonstrate other then with boasts,"

Now, how am I going to know these things? I never claimed I knew these things.

I do know that thralls have a Holmgang rating of 2, and War Veterans have a Holmgang rating of 3. I posted this before.

I'm not going to tell you the Champion or Jarl score is (one of them is 5, but I shall not tell which one), because frankly, I don't want anything to do with you anymore.

In other words you can not support you claim either way it goes. How interesting. So your false as they come. When one makes a claim - they must expect to have it question, reviewed, analysised and torn apart to find out the truth. It seems you can not handle such a stance - nor can you justify your claim.

The score you mentioned is the Jarl's so lets have you give the others and tell us how the Jotun functions in the holmgang - claims of having the knowledge without providing the information will be torn apart until either it demonstrates you do not know or you actually tell. Again I am aggressive and blunt. Insult me away - I can handle the insults its childish behavior that I do not tolerate. So go ahead and provide all the insults you want in the game - but if you do so - don't be surprised if its returned in spades and in an even more blunt ingame manner.

Why should I help the town or Jotun after all the crap I'm getting?

Jotun's do not have the same scores, you are mistaken here again.

That is way I asked - the mistake is yours. You made a claim and you expect it to believed? That seems rather foolish given the nature of the game which is based upon deception and lies.

OK, I'll bite.

Your "observation" unfazes me. I really don't care if I get lynched.

All I have to make sure to do is send Sigurd that PM before, and I will do that.

It seems to have frazzled you quite a bit. First you claim you can take the ingame joking insults which is exaclty what all three are. However you are demonstrating that you can not handle the pressure of direct questioning so you begin to use the stupido emoticon - but get even more frazzled with someone puts it right back at you.

Rather interesting in the least. So either respond or not - matter not to me. But your the one making the claim of being a god - but not providing any of the necessary proof to support such a claim. So you left yourself open to the approach that I always take in responding to claims I believe are false. Direct assualt into finding out the truth. If you can not handle that tactic then state so. And then I will go to the lurking style favored by so many, but then again probably not.

Don Corleone

02-09-2007, 19:27

Silence, fools, every one of you!!! I have plundered from the Dub Linh to Kiev. I've served in Byzntium, Oseberg and Rome. There's no mortal alive I fear, and my axe is ready to swing to prove it to anyone who says otherwise.

And even I know better than to tempt the Spear of Odin by insulting one of the Aenir. You talk of Thor and his hammer, and it is indeed mighty, aye. But he would swing it at the petulant mortals first who would dare insult his half-brother before he would take up his old grudge with Loki.

Helpful Loki, we are but men. We know not your wisdom or appreciate the depth of your designs. Forgive us, and please, help us sniff out these foul Jotun.

Husar

02-09-2007, 19:56

Redleg

02-09-2007, 20:12

Now this is really funny.
Whether he lies or not, Reenk plays his role very well, yet lynching him would be in the best interest of the town so far. I agree with Redleg there.
Now I'm also curious who of those bowing down or trying to lynch him do it with the motive of silencing him. He claims to know the name of a Jotun but they cannot kill him at night, so there is a chance of the Jotun trying to get him lynched or draw him to their side. But both ways they cannot be sure to reach their goal. Being dead he can send PMs and a collaboration can be a big lie, noone can trust him.
Then again, his role may just as well be made up and he is pulling a huge stunt here, even bigger than that of Omanes who claims to be immortal in Holmgangs.

Well I am out to find the truth to his claim. Lack of proof is evidence of a lie. It seems Reenk is trying to hide behind the claim of being a god but has yet to provide any real evidence. So until he does - pressure should be applied to his claim to either validate it or show it to be completely false.

So if Reenk is truely unconcerned about the lynch as he claims then maybe we should take him up on it.

Hell I will even give him another shot in making his claim valid - why doesn't he tell us what the role of this character is. Hjor Halfsson and whom does he serve.

discovery1

02-09-2007, 20:19

It doesn't matter if he's a god or not, all that matters is that he's playing as Loki. Even if he does name who the giant was that contacted him, we know he will try to confuse and mislead us later on. So lynch him next, or wait a turn at most.

Reenk Roink

02-09-2007, 20:35

:laugh4:

Look at how you interpreted the stupido smiley. Do you know how many times in how many contexts I use that smiley?

Give me a break Redleg...

As for the game:

You know I've been right on on what I've chosen to reveal so far.

The Holmgang stats for all I've revealed are correct.

Can't argue with the facts...

Redleg

02-09-2007, 20:45

:laugh4:

Look at how you interpreted the stupido smiley. Do you know how many times in how many contexts I use that smiley?

Give me a break Redleg...

No breaks in this game - I learned that on the last one. Some like to play a certain way - so I am using the exact same tactics that others felt were acceptable To include using the same insult in a blunt manner in which they tried in a more subtle way.

Smileies are open to interpation especially if one is playing their role. You claim to be Loki as evident with my knowledge of the Holmgang scores I am at least a Jarl. I suspect a jotun alreadly knows that - so I don't mind sharing the role. And I have shared it with others.

Hjor Halfsson Jarl

You are the ruler of Stord. You are a War veteran and a ruler under King Sulke of Rogaland.

In the role of a lord I would not accept a claim to being a god without adequate proof. That proof you have yet to supply. So no I do not accept your claim of being the god of mischief at all.

So supply the information on the Jotun or be quiet and shuttle yourself back to your father's home.

You know I've been right on on what I've chosen to reveal so far.

The Holmgang stats for all I've revealed are correct.

Can't argue with the facts

Your problem is that the holmgang wasn't hard to figure out, all one needed is too know one or two of the townie roles.

So other evidence must be used to actually used to support your claim. The fact that you didn't name my character for who and what he is - demonstrates that your claim is not yet proven beyond a doubt.