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Dutch_guy
02-17-2007, 03:30
Didn't he also claim to be immortal at night? Kings aren't immortal at night.
Dutch guys claim that motep was townie comes from motep showing him his townie pm.
I daresay he could have claimed that, as it's untrue. Plus, I have seen his PM. And I have also seen mine, and both mine and his correspond. I'm innocent, so is he.
Have you read what I think about sigurd giving the mafia townie pm's? A townie with a huge holmgang doesn't make sense dutch.
There's one townie role which does have a huge Holmgang score. Although huge would be an overstatement - as mine was higher...
But yes, I have read your theory. Plausible, but a bit unfair maybe ?
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 03:34
So his pm was not the one posted by andres? It was significantly different?
Dutch_guy
02-17-2007, 03:41
So his pm was not the one posted by andres? It was significantly different?
You're going to have to give this lazy Dutchman a link to Andres' claim, if he claims to be the fighting servant of a noble lord then yes, both Motep's PM and Andres' PM should correspond.
I have spoken enough for Motep this night, he'd not be a lynch the town 'd be proud of.
I am off to bed now, I expect Motep to be alive when I wake up.
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 03:45
hmm sounds a different pm. I guess motep is innocent.
I suggest we lynch andres and then have caius holmgang gh. If they are both innocent as they claim, it will be reflected in the write up.
You are Jotun, Sasaki!
If you were townie, then you can compare my Pm.But you cant, and the reason is because you are Jotun!
Just an Conclusion i had come
You've got to wonder at that.
He's dead, so it's not really an issue; but has anyone actually vouched for Sasaki? :laugh4:
I'm yet to see any proof of AtC's role, btw - does anyone have a link to where/if he posted it?
I am wrong, he can be a king.
****.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 04:08
You are Jotun, Sasaki!
If you were townie, then you can compare my Pm.But you cant, and the reason is because you are Jotun!
Just an Conclusion i had come
That's an interesting theory :2thumbsup:
Care to explain how and why the jotun would kill one of their own when it is expressly forbidden by Sigurd?
You are clearly a jotun. Will you holmgang with GH?
ByzantineKnight
02-17-2007, 04:09
Are we totally sure Dutch_Guy isnt jotun?
He seems to know alot about the game, and is vouching for everyone...
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 04:10
He was night killed and went to valhalla.
The comments made after his kill (that the mafia had been good detectives to choose him for nightkill) support his claim here.
I urge you all to vote for Andres.
Unvote: Motep
I'll trust dutch_guy, for now
Damn, Im very tired.
I will go back tomorrow.
Im sure tomorrow im dead
Damn, Im very tired.
I will go back tomorrow.
Im sure tomorrow im dead
VOTE:CAIUS FLAMINIUS
Make sure to bold the vote, or it might not get counted :laugh4:
I'd vote for you back, but i don't feel like hanging a corpse :beam:
Make sure to bold the vote, or it might not get counted :laugh4:
I'd vote for you back, but i don't feel like hanging a corpse :beam:
You'de vote me? But I was proven innocent. Your obviously guilty!!!!:inquisitive:
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 06:24
I'm fine with Holmganging Caius.
Either he's Jotun or remarkably forgetful.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-17-2007, 07:09
One cannot be absolutely certain in these games, but...
Vote: Motep
I could say that a little bird told me this, but instead I'd have to say that this is a calculated vote based on information from a number of sources.
I would estimate that the remaining 2 Giants will be found among:
Andres, Caius, General, & K-Khan.
One of them will die by my blade this next night.
pevergreen
02-17-2007, 07:29
One of them will die by my blade this next night.
As in challanges...or night kills :inquisitive:
i believe Dutch_Guy...I dont think he can bluff that well.
I think someone should get a list of who is alive, and who can vouch for who. If we see a circle, it may be the jotun.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-17-2007, 07:36
As in challanges...or night kills :inquisitive:
i believe Dutch_Guy...I dont think he can bluff that well.
I think someone should get a list of who is alive, and who can vouch for who. If we see a circle, it may be the jotun.
:shocked2:
Are you TRYING to drive me bats? I swear, I will help bring about a townie win and then petition Sigurd for one more holmgang so that I can pound you.
I have fought the trickster god and bested him.
I have been targeted for murder twice.
You would have been lynched twice over if I (and a few others) hadn't kept reminding folks of Hugh's vouching for you. :yes:
And NOW you decide its time for a list....:dizzy:
Oy vey.
pevergreen
02-17-2007, 07:38
The list would help....
Whats your role? Cant remember if your a god or not.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 07:53
One cannot be absolutely certain in these games, but...
Vote: Motep
I could say that a little bird told me this, but instead I'd have to say that this is a calculated vote based on information from a number of sources.
I would estimate that the remaining 2 Giants will be found among:
Andres, Caius, General, & K-Khan.
One of them will die by my blade this next night.
I think we can take kukri as innocent, I believe Sigurd confirmed his lack of pm in the thread.
Don't think motep is the lynch for today, if you still doubt him let him holmgang a suspect.
Vote: Motep
Still no confirmation from his champion
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-17-2007, 09:02
Why just read my PM with no censors:
Human Lord
Sulke King of Rogaland
You are the ruler of Rogaland where this session of Gulating is held. You are a War veteran and a former Varangian guard. Trained and schooled in the skills of war makes you a formidable foe in Holmgang.
You are in a blood feud with the neighbour kingdom of Hordaland. It is this feud that will be tried solved in this session of the Ting.
Your survival is important for the town. The Jotun is out to get you and your retinue. The Jotun will win if they kill you and the other Lords.
You don’t have any special abilities other than having a champion that might take your place at a Holmgang. If you are challenged to a Holmgang PM me if you want your champion to take your place. Your champion is: Sir Boo
Holmgang ability: 5(Lord)+1(King) = 6
That explain why I said I was immortal - in Holomagang, not at night.
Explain this Omanes:
You are a lord
The Jotun have to kill lords
Why haven't they attacked you?
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-17-2007, 09:11
To make me appear like I am one of them so the town will lynch me probably?
To make me appear like I am one of them so the town will lynch me probably?
Good reason, accepted
Unvote: Omanes
Vote: Abstain
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-17-2007, 09:21
Vote: Abstain
I really don't know what to do.
To make me appear like I am one of them so the town will lynch me probably?
Or to make the town think what they want us to think (ie that you're innocent) and not lynch you :laugh4:
tbh I would like Sir Boo to step up and vouch for Omanes, he isn't active in this game, but he is in other ones.
pevergreen
02-17-2007, 10:02
Or to make the town think what they want us to think (ie that you're innocent) and not lynch you :laugh4:
WIFOM!
Explain this Omanes:
You are a lord
The Jotun have to kill lords
Why haven't they attacked you?
Well, it's pretty clear that you didn't kill him because you had this question already prepared.:wall:
Dutch_guy
02-17-2007, 13:36
Are we totally sure Dutch_Guy isnt jotun?
He seems to know alot about the game, and is vouching for everyone...
I am not vouching for everyone, merely for Omanes' and Motep.
I can support Omanes because his PM is the same, different second line of the PM though obviously, and can therefore also back up Motep. That last bit of information should be easy enough to conclude.
Oh wait, this little piece is also different in one way:
You don’t have any special abilities other than having a champion that might take your place at a Holmgang. If you are challenged to a Holmgang PM me if you want your champion to take your place. Your champion is: Sir Boo
I'll leave it to you which part I'd definetely not have in my PM.
The above information should also answer this:
Still no confirmation from his champion
Or better, I'd tell us why it has not happened yet.
i believe Dutch_Guy...I dont think he can bluff that well.
I am not bluffing, and as Jotun can't kill each other and I am not a god of chaos this can be affirmed by everyone here.
:balloon2:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-17-2007, 15:14
Contact/significant input from Motep himself would be appreciated. Absent that, my vote stands.
Contact/significant input from Motep himself would be appreciated. Absent that, my vote stands.
That will be difficult (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=18998)
@Husar, I already asked that question before, but it got lost in the flood of posts
Well, IIRC, Omanes claimed to be unkillable in Holmgang and that someone else would die before anyone had an idea what that might mean, now we know that he could simply let his champion fight. If he is guilty, how did he know that so early?
Concerning Motep, I still haven't seen anything convincing from him, no PM, no Champion, only indicators that he is guilty.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 17:30
Unvote: Sir Boo
Vote: Motep
Well, IIRC, Omanes claimed to be unkillable in Holmgang and that someone else would die before anyone had an idea what that might mean, now we know that he could simply let his champion fight. If he is guilty, how did he know that so early?
Good question, well I don't exactly know when Omanes claimed to be invincible, but it could be he started contacting others early on. Tho I doubt a Jarl will give himself away that quickly.
But then we haven't heard anything from Sir Boo, which not only makes Boo suspicious, but Omanes as well. As he says that Boo is his champion. Sir Boo is active all over the Gameroom, but not in this one, why not? Atleast say that you're busy with real life.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 18:37
Unvote: Sir Boo
Vote: Motep
Motep's innocence is confirmed ~D
Seriously, vote for andres people.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 18:38
Sasaki, what exactly makes you think I'm guilty again?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 18:40
Sasaki, what exactly makes you think I'm guilty again?
I thought you were guilty early on
townie pm thing convinced me otherwise
now I see sigurd gave jotun townie pm
so: same reasons from before
Adding in the way you posted it in the thread and mailed it to Ichigo and made sure to mention you knew the details, and are voting for motep when it's clear he's innocent.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 18:43
now I see sigurd gave jotun townie pm
Link to revelation please?
Adding in the way you posted it in the thread and mailed it to Ichigo and made sure to mention you knew the details, and are voting for motep when it's clear he's innocent.
1. I thought Ichigo was clean
2. When I posted it in the thread I thought Rabbit was Jotun (he had just challenged me) and wanted to let the town know what a horrible mistake had just been made.
3. I mentioned the details because I wanted to make things clear for the rest of the town.
Also, how is Motep proven innocent? Husar makes a good case for his guilt.
are voting for motep when it's clear he's innocent.
I still don't know why it's so clear that he is innocent.
Only Dutch_guy vouched for him saying he saw his PM, but why didn't he just post Motep's PM? Obviously Motep won't do that himself.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 19:00
I still don't know why it's so clear that he is innocent.
Only Dutch_guy vouched for him saying he saw his PM, but why didn't he just post Motep's PM? Obviously Motep won't do that himself.
Motep isn't here, he hasn't posted for a while. Dutch guy is proven innocent and can vouch for Motep, what more do you want?
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 19:02
All right, whatever.
Unvote: Motep
Vote: AndresTheCunning
Sorry about the vote-hopping, Sigurd.
Motep isn't here, he hasn't posted for a while. Dutch guy is proven innocent and can vouch for Motep, what more do you want?
He can vouch for him on what basis? That Motep PMed him saying "I'm innocent"? That's all there was as it seems and while I'M not that sure anymore(but still quite sure), I'm a bit pissed about people sigining up for games and then going on holidays(wasn't that what was claimed in defense of Motep?). You could say I'm forcing my morals on others but if it's obvious that I won't be able to participate during large parts of a game, I simply wouldn't sign up.:wall:
If something else happened to him, well, then ignore this.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 19:13
He can vouch for him on what basis? That Motep PMed him saying "I'm innocent"? That's all there was as it seems and while I'M not that sure anymore(but still quite sure), I'm a bit pissed about people sigining up for games and then going on holidays(wasn't that what was claimed in defense of Motep?). You could say I'm forcing my morals on others but if it's obvious that I won't be able to participate during large parts of a game, I simply wouldn't sign up.:wall:
If something else happened to him, well, then ignore this.
No, see, dutch_guy had a somewhat special role, and since motep had a similar role and told him about it he knows he's innocent. They're like masons in a way.
No, see, dutch_guy had a somewhat special role, and since motep had a similar role and told him about it he knows he's innocent. They're like masons in a way.
Erm, well, I'm going to believe that for now, I hope you can provide some further info about that...
Unvote: Lord Motep of Kendermore
Vote: AndresTheCunning
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 21:21
Arrg.
The remainder of the retinues went to see the Hovgod. They were not so sure in their decision this time but had the most suspicious amongst them in shackles.
Lord Motep of Kendermore were thrown at the feet of the Hovgod. The old man stooped down and looked the condemned in the eyes before standing back up. “Have you anything to say in your defence?” asked the old man. Lord Motep was silent.
Well if you have nothing to say I suggest we just get over with it. Lord Motep still said nothing. “You two take this man to the pole.” The old man pointed at the two nearest warriors. “And be quick about it.” The two warriors took Lord Motep between them and carried him to the pole and fastened his shackles to it.
“I need three bowmen.” said the old man. Three warriors volunteered and knew what had to be done. They lined up 20 yards from the pole and knocked an arrow. They waited for the signal and when it came let 3 arrows piece the heart of Lord Motep who stood silent as before.
The wind suddenly caught Lord Moteps hair and he realised he was not bound to the pole any longer. The beautiful woman in front of him on the horse he was riding was breathtaking and Lord Motep found no words… again.
No Votes: 7 (AtPG, Fenring, Lord Motep, pever, Prole, Sir Boo, DonC)
Abstains: 3 (CF, Omanes, Stig)
Lord Motep: 3 (Andres, sapi, Seamus)
Andres: 2 (GH, Husar)
Sir Boo: 1 (Kukri)
Tally:
Murdered (7):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Redleg
Sasaki
Crazed Rabbit
Killed in Holmgang (5):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Reenk Roink (Seamus)
Kagemusha (Omanes)
CountArach (Stig)
Executed (4):
Discovery1
Ichigo
Warluster
Lord Motep of Kendermore
WoG (1)
JimBob
Still Alive (15):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Don Corleone
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
Proletariat
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo
Stig
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 21:40
Challenge: Caius Flaminius
-edit- don't know if this will work, but:
Challenge: Caius Flaminus
Challenge: Caius Flaminus
Challenge: Caius Flaminus
Challenge: Caius Flaminus
Challenge: Caius Flaminus
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 21:51
Alexander, who are you PMing?
-edit- Wow, he's still at it.
So I become the un trustable townie.
DO YOU TOWNIES, REALIZE THAT GH IS TRYING TO GET A CHEAP LYNCH?
Why GH?Why?
So I become the un trustable townie.
DO YOU TOWNIES, REALIZE THAT GH IS TRYING TO GET A CHEAP LYNCH?
Why GH?Why?
All I think is that if there is an overwhelming winner, we may lynch him next round.
Dutch_guy
02-18-2007, 00:37
Well, another townie bites the dust. Good job town.
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 01:14
Told you so...
Gh, why are you in such a rush to challenge Caius? Why do you want to exclude all other challenges?
I think we should have pevergreen challenge andres, and maybe a couple other people challenge andres as well, to make it more certain.
Tomorrow we will see about GH and caius.
pevergreen
02-18-2007, 01:15
Challange: Andres
Challange: Andres
Reason?
pevergreen
02-18-2007, 01:19
I think we should have pevergreen challenge andres, and maybe a couple other people challenge andres as well, to make it more certain.
:bow:
KukriKhan
02-18-2007, 02:04
Still Alive (15):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning unknown
Caius Flaminius townie
Don Corleone
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Kralizec (Fenring) townie
KukriKhan townie
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot townie
pevergreen
Proletariatunknown
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo unknown
Stig
Those assignments are just from memory. Now to review the last 10 pages and update (ugh, drudgery).
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2007, 02:52
Gh, why are you in such a rush to challenge Caius? Why do you want to exclude all other challenges?
What the crap. I'm just following your orders. Did you not want to see a Holmgang between the two of us?
Thank you Kukri, I am a townie.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 03:01
What the crap. I'm just following your orders. Did you not want to see a Holmgang between the two of us?
meh, that was if andres got lynched, but it's ok.
HughTower
02-18-2007, 03:11
Still Alive (15):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning unknown
Caius Flaminius townie
Don Corleone
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Kralizec (Fenring) townie
KukriKhan townie
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot townie
pevergreen
Proletariatunknown
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo unknown
Stig
Those assignments are just from memory. Now to review the last 10 pages and update (ugh, drudgery).
pevergreen's townie.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 03:23
Alexander the Pretty Good townie
AndresTheCunning jotun
Caius Flaminius jotun
Don Corleone townie
GeneralHankerchief jotun
Husar townie
Kralizec (Fenring) townie
KukriKhan townie
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot townie
pevergreen townie
Proletariat townie
sapi townie
Seamus Fermanagh townie
Sir Boo townie
Stig townie
~D
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2007, 03:35
Well, you're dead wrong with at least one of them. If you continue to persecute me you shall regret it when the game ends.
I'm a much better mafioso than townie. Why would I try to kill Seamus twice?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 03:44
Well, you're dead wrong with at least one of them. If you continue to persecute me you shall regret it when the game ends.
I'm a much better mafioso than townie. Why would I try to kill Seamus twice?
I think you've acted very much like a mafioso, and we haven't had any jotun deaths. Orb can't be, I just realized there was an attempted kill against him that night.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-18-2007, 09:48
Challenge: AndresTheCunning
Personally....
@Sasaki - in your list you're fogetting Ichigo's probable role as a jotun....there were only 3 iirc
Challenges noted:
1. GH vs. CF
2. pever vs. Andres
3. sapi vs. Andres
4. Omanes vs. Andres
Alexander the Pretty Good jotun
AndresTheCunning jotun
Caius Flaminius townie
Don Corleone townie
GeneralHankerchief jotun
Husar townie
Kralizec (Fenring) townie
KukriKhan townie
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot townie
pevergreen townie
Proletariat townie
sapi townie
Seamus Fermanagh townie
Sir Boo townie
Stig townie
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 17:34
@Sasaki - in your list you're fogetting Ichigo's probable role as a jotun....there were only 3 iirc
Ichigo was innocent.
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/RuneStone8_1.jpg
Round 7
After the execution of Lord Motep some of the people in the retinues talked amongst themselves. One said: “Why haven’t the Jotun fought back at one of the executions? It would be easy for one of them to just take the lot of us out.” Some of the others agreed.
One stated: “Maybe the Hovgod put a spell on them… you know so they couldn’t attack us.” “I don’t know” said another and continued, “Maybe there are no Jotun amongst us at all, that the blood feud has just continued here at Gulating. The numbers in our camps seems equal as if someone is making sure people are killed in both camps.” Another said: “Well the Hovgod have said that the Jotun will try to continue the blood feud between Hordaland and Rogaland. That is probably why they have left those from Sogn for now.”
There was one voice among them that said this: “You stupid townspeople, don’t you see? it is the Gods that are doing this. Those stupid Kings in Hordaland and Rogaland have forgotten their Blot and this is the consequence. This is what we get for displeasing the Gods.” Yet another replied: “I think not… The Gods are pleased with us, how else will you explain Heimdall being still amongst us?” There was no reply. “It is in the hands of the Gods now.”
Andres was getting through the crowd and didn’t see sapi who tightened the strap on his boot. Andres bumped into the sitting sapi and fell. Words were exchanged and suddenly two men were about to duel.
The crowd made way for the combatants to fight.
Two blades were drawn from their scabbards and some additional taunts were exchanged.
Sapi made the first move and got in a hit on Andres.
This made Andres really mad and he tore his tunic off. In bare serk he continued to fight, blood streaming down his left shoulder where he had received the wound.
Somehow the wound didn’t affect him. He attacked sapi and in a vicious combination delivered several slashes and wounds to sapi. Sapi could only put up a meagre defence against this raving Berserkr. Sapi was tiring but Andres was not, he continued to attack and with a wild combination of slashes, cuts and stabs he finally reached the heart of sapi who went down face first in the dirt.
Sapi could feel the wind in his hair as the horse he rode sped towards some gigantic building with a golden roof. The horse was galloping in the air and he was quite high up. He sat behind the most gorgeous woman he had ever seen. “This is not so bad” he thought to himself.
Andres slumped to the ground after the fight and people had to carry him like a babe to his sleeping place.
Later that evening Proletariat was preparing for sleep. She brushed her long blond hair and smiled thinking of all the suitors she had endured this day. Being the daughter of a King and being one of the very few women in a gathering like this brought them out of the woodwork. Some of them were actually cute, but most were silly brats.
She never noticed the shadow that entered the tent and stood looming with its head touching the ceiling. She somehow felt the intruder and got up slowly and pulled the dagger she had in her belt slowly out of its sheath. When she turned and saw the golden eyes and the white fanged smile she lost her breath. The shadow boomed: “If it isn’t the beautiful daughter of King Eirikr. He will really go berserkr on the Rogaland men when he finds you dead tomorrow night. The Jotun pulled out his broadsword and smiled. “This will be over quickly dear, you won’t even feel it.” The prospect of dying found root in Prole and she found strength. “Why do you prey on us Jotun? There seems to be no logic for all this.” The shadow smiled again; “Be silent young daughter, this needs to be done.” Prole feigned desperation and made gestures as she contined speaking: “Please spare me, I am but a daughter of a King, there would be more value in a prisoner and a large ransom in exchange for my life.” As she waived her hands in feigned desperation, one of the movements released the dagger who caught the unsuspected Jotun in the eye. The Large Jotun screamed in pain and slashed out blindly with his sword. Prole took the opportunity to roll under the canvas and ran from her tent. The Jotun could be heard screaming profanities.
pevergreen was sound asleep in his tent and was suddenly aroused (yeah double meaning, I know) by sitting on a speeding horse and looking at a naked back of a beautiful black haired woman sitting on the horse in front of him. “What a dream” he thought.
Back in Midgard a broadsword was pinning him to the ground through his heart. Over him a large shadow laughed silently.
Tally:
Murdered (8):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Redleg
Sasaki
Crazed Rabbit
pevergreen
Killed in Holmgang (6):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Reenk Roink (Seamus)
Kagemusha (Omanes)
CountArach (Stig)
Sapi (Andres)
Executed (4):
Discovery1Ichigo
Warluster
Lord Motep of Kendermore
WoG (2)
JimBob
Sir Boo
Still Alive (12):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Don Corleone
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Proletariat
Seamus Fermanagh
Stig
voting ends 21:00 GMT+1 tomorrow
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 23:22
:bounce:
Unfortunatly we still have 3 jotun alive.
Lynch andres and see if heimdall can defeat one in battle, I suppose.
sapi's score was 6 or 7 wasn't it? Yet he had no chance. Ouch.
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2007, 23:23
I think that Holmgang makes Andres' identity pretty clear.
Vote: AndresTheCunning
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 23:24
Hey GH you still willing to challenge Caius?
Shamefull bandwagon, but we will all vote the same I think
Vote: Andres
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2007, 23:29
Hey GH you still willing to challenge Caius?
Yeah. I'll make a fool of myself, but if it proves my innocence, then yes.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 23:33
Yeah. I'll make a fool of myself, but if it proves my innocence, then yes.
Cool, win-win for town tonight.
Please, Im not Jotun
Vote:Abstain
I will not jump on the wagon
Sasaki Kojiro
02-18-2007, 23:45
Please, Im not Jotun
Vote:Abstain
I will not jump on the wagon
I have to say you make pretty sneaky mafia caius.
You just don't react well under pressure.
not jumping on voting for a Jotun actually makes you suspicious m8.
Sapi said he had a good Holmgang (Let's say Champion (4)), so if a Townie (2) beats him easely that Townie ain't no Townie. So better vote for your Jotunfriend.
True.
UnVote:Abstain
Vote:AndresThe(not more)Cunning
I have to say you make pretty sneaky mafia caius
Im not the only...
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2007, 23:55
Im not the only...
Is that a confession? :inquisitive:
I was saying Sasaki know how to hide his Mafioso role too.And he make that better than me ;)
pevergreen
02-19-2007, 00:21
blood streaming down his left shoulder where he had received the wound.
Somehow the wound didn’t affect him.
Andres is Jotun. :yes: I'm dead...my kingdom is gone. We did good Hughtower :nod:
(I am very aroused :laugh4:)
KukriKhan
02-19-2007, 00:23
By the write-ups, we certainly have 2 Jotun. I don't remember reading a night of 3 Jotun attacks, but I'm at a loss to account for the third, and must assume he/she is out there.
Vote: AndresTheCunning for his strong Mojo vs. high-rated sapi.
BTW: excellent story-telling/game development Sigurd :thumbsup:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 00:24
Andres is Jotun. :yes: I'm dead...my kingdom is gone. We did good Hughtower :nod:
(I am very aroused :laugh4:)
It's funny that they chose to kill you when you had said you were willing to holmgang caius and gh after andres :p
pevergreen
02-19-2007, 00:25
Wasnt the girl blond haired before? Hmm... (if im right) :inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 00:31
By the write-ups, we certainly have 2 Jotun. I don't remember reading a night of 3 Jotun attacks, but I'm at a loss to account for the third, and must assume he/she is out there.
Vote: AndresTheCunning for his strong Mojo vs. high-rated sapi.
BTW: excellent story-telling/game development Sigurd :thumbsup:
There's still 2 kills when there are 3 jotun. Or even with 1 jotun.
I have to agree with the last comment. I've learned a fair bit about norse mythology, I can even sort-of read runes without a translation guide.
Ah well,
Vote: AndresTheCunning
This game gives me ambiguous feelings of love and hate at the same time but do me a favour and don't ask for details.:sweatdrop:
Ah well,
Vote: AndresTheCunning
This game gives me ambiguous feelings of love and hate at the same time but do me a favour and don't ask for details.:sweatdrop:
:iloveyou:
:iloveyou:
Arrrr, how did you know that?:hide:
Arrrr, how did you know that?:hide:
I have my ways of finding things out. ~;)
I have my ways of finding things out. ~;)
We have Sherlock Holmes here :bounce:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-19-2007, 05:31
Vote: Andres
When we get to the challenges, I would like to issue a challenge to our best suspect. It would probably work best if all of the townies agree not to present other challenges.
Then, any who offered other challenges would be labeling themselves.
Concur?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 07:01
Let's just have GH challenge caius, he seems to be willing to keep up the pretense.
GeneralHankerchief
02-19-2007, 07:04
Let's just have GH challenge caius, he seems to be willing to keep up the pretense.
Okay, let's make a deal.
If I'm innocent (which I am), then you have to put something about admitting what an idiot you are/how you are wrong about everything in your sig.
If I'm guilty then I will adjust my custom user description AND sig bowing to your master deductive skills/superior intellect.
Agreed?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 07:10
Okay, let's make a deal.
If I'm innocent (which I am), then you have to put something about admitting what an idiot you are/how you are wrong about everything in your sig.
If I'm guilty then I will adjust my custom user description AND sig bowing to your master deductive skills/superior intellect.
Agreed?
heh, I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong. But you have acted so suspicious it would be wrong to claim idiocy. I shall apologize most profusely if you so desire.
Vote: Andres
You don't kill someone with my holmgang score that easily :laugh4:
I'd have my champion reveal for me (i left a message to that effect) but sadly his death predated mine :no:
We are really running out of townies here - 2 or 3 more mistakes and we lose...
KukriKhan
02-19-2007, 13:26
Vote: Andres
When we get to the challenges, I would like to issue a challenge to our best suspect. It would probably work best if all of the townies agree not to present other challenges.
Then, any who offered other challenges would be labeling themselves.
Concur?
Concur, and will comply. :bow:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-19-2007, 13:51
Vote: AndresTheCunning
Current Tally:
No Votes: 5
Abstains: 0
Andres: 7
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-19-2007, 18:35
It looks just a little one sided, does it not. Anyhow, Andres, I want to see your defence.
Andres won't be on. It's Carnaval in these parts. Mostlikely he's sitting in some pub, and had atleast 40 beers the last couple of days.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 19:07
I believe he said as much.
Andres won't be on. It's Carnaval in these parts. Mostlikely he's sitting in some pub, and had atleast 40 beers the last couple of days.
Right ~:cheers:
Huh, here I am, with a hangover.
I can't be bothered.
I'm still alive right now (more in game than in real life :shame:), so here is the pm i received after my duel:
You won a Holmgang. Your ability has been raised with one point.
Holmgang ability: 2 (townie) + 1 (win) = 3
Sigurd
Believe me or not, but I am I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T
Now if you will excuse me, I am tired. Bye bye, have fun lynching townies :no:
And lynch Stig, for not going to carnaval :grin:
Believe me or not, but I am I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T
Not sure.
Believe me or not, but I am I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T
Too bad the voting is already closed. C'est la vie, right? Real pity your vie will have to continue in Jotunheim.~;)
Too bad the voting is already closed. C'est la vie, right? Real pity your vie will have to continue in Jotunheim.~;)
I just hope they have free beer ~;)
And no hangovers :laugh4:
I just hope they have free beer ~;)
And no hangovers :laugh4:
No, the beer is the worst most expensive stuff you can get, and the hangovers last for eternity. :evil:
Another suspect was dragged before the Hovgod. This time the people of the three kingdoms were sure. AndresTheCunning must be the Jotun that had killed so many of them during the nights here at Gulating.
They shouted “kill him” and “make him suffer” as they pushed him in front of the old man. “So you think this is the Jotun?” asked the old man. “Yes”, was the unanimous answer from the crowd gathered at the rune stone.
The Hovgod knelt down to look Andres in the eyes and gazed into the void he could see there. Andres did not react or protest. Take him to the pole the old man ordered. Heimdall appeared to witness the execution. “Is this the Jotun?” he asked the old man. “The crowd seems to think so. Maybe you would do the honors with the spear this late afternoon.” Heimdall looked into the old man’s eyes and searched for something. “Very well” he said. “I shall assist the humans in this.” He grabbed a spear from someone close and with a unhuman speed sent the spear flying. It went straight through the heart of Andres and didn’t stop before it stood vibrating in the mountain side 400 yards behind the pole.
Andres died quickly and darkness overcame him.
No Votes: 5 (AtPG, Andres, Fenring, Prole, DonC)
Abstains: 0
AndresTheCunning: 7 (CF, GH, Husar, Kukri, Omanes, Seamus, Stig)
Tally:
Murdered (8):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Redleg
Sasaki
Crazed Rabbit
pevergreen
Killed in Holmgang (6):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Reenk Roink (Seamus)
Kagemusha (Omanes)
CountArach (Stig)
Sapi (Andres)
Executed (5):
Discovery1
Ichigo
Warluster
Lord Motep of Kendermore
AndresTheCunning
WoG (2)
JimBob
Sir Boo
Still Alive (11):
Alexander the Pretty Good
Caius Flaminius
Don Corleone
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Proletariat
Seamus Fermanagh
Stig
Challenges and Pms!! everybody
GeneralHankerchief
02-19-2007, 21:50
So what's the plan? Are we letting Seamus take someone out or am I challenging Caius?
And lynch Stig, for not going to carnaval
Hey I was ill, one carnaval a year and I'm ill :furious3:
So what's the plan? Are we letting Seamus take someone out or am I challenging Caius?
I think it's "safer" to let you challenge Caius, or Seamus on Caius. If Seamus takes out someone who isn't Jotun I think we will give them a too big advantage.
Andres died quickly and darkness overcame him.
What the...?
Hey man, where is my Valhalla? Is this because I am killed by Sigurd (a God)?
Nobody will believe me, but I am human, just a townie and not jotun.
I AM I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T !!!
If at the end of the game, I turn out to be guilty and a Jotun or a pro-Jotun role in Sigurd's final write-up with the reveal of the roles of every participant, I promise I will post a picture of myself, drunk as hell during carnaval. However, if I turn out to be a regular, innocent townie/pro-town role, I want pictures from every single one of you who accused me, on you knees begging AndresTheCunning for forgiveness, stickied in the gameroom, the picture of Sasaki being the first one.
Well, who wants to make this deal with me? Just quote this post and write "I agree with the above and I will post an embarrassing picture of myself on my knees, begging AndresTheCunning for forgiveness for my mistake if he turns out to be innocent id est not Jotun or not having a pro-Jotun role, in this game. That picture will be stickied in the gameroom by the moderator Sasaki Kojiro".
Come on!
Well your obviously not a townie maybe some kind of pro-Jotun role?
Well your obviously not a townie maybe some kind of pro-Jotun role?
Scared of my "picture-challenge" huh?
How do you know for sure if I am Jotun or not? Maybe because you were a Jotun after all?
Maybe the going to Valhalla has nothing to do with being innocent?
You can add to my "post an embarassing picture of yourself-challenge" pro-Jotun. I'll edit it.
Come on cowards ! Where are you now? Scared of the laughs your pictures will give me?
Repeat:CF is a townie.
You're pretty desperate aren't you.
If i were pretty desesperate i will challenge you
KukriKhan
02-19-2007, 22:56
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Vote: Andres
When we get to the challenges, I would like to issue a challenge to our best suspect. It would probably work best if all of the townies agree not to present other challenges.
Then, any who offered other challenges would be labeling themselves.
A good plan we should stick with, I think. Candidates for his challenge?
A good plan we should stick with, I think. Candidates for his challenge?
Stig.
Im suspecting he is Jotun.
Shut up, dead man
You look pretty guilty to me.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-19-2007, 23:05
I stand ready to challenge.
I repeat, lets no water this down.
Pick someone for me to challenge OR have Hanky go after someone -- but NOTHING ELSE.
We want controlled results for elimination purposes. This is the end game now and we have little room for a miss -- and no room for two.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-19-2007, 23:06
Have GH challenge caius, then we lynch the survivor tomorrow.
Then, You cant holmang me, or we, the townies, will lose.
GeneralHankerchief
02-20-2007, 00:14
Have GH challenge caius, then we lynch the survivor tomorrow.
Okay.
I maintain my innocence and my pathetic Holmgang stats, but if dying in Holmgang is what it takes to prove my role to you, so be it.
Keep in mind that Andres and Caius only make two Jotun. We have some deep digging to do once I'm dead. Remember, it doesn't matter how many townies are dead - just Jarls.
Challenge: Caius Flaminius
I told you im inoccent.You didnt believe me.
Keep in mind that Andres and Caius only make two Jotun. We have some deep digging to do once I'm dead. Remember, it doesn't matter how many townies are dead - just Jarls.
My latest theory on that is that Loki may actually have counted as a member of the Jotun team(he was brought away by a shadow after all and lied about his Holmgang stats etc., might as well have lied about his team), in that case, killing Caius should win the game for us.
So having Seamus challenge him could be a good thing.
Are you blind or what?IM I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T
Just to confirm
Challenge:GeneralJotun
Are you blind or what?IM I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T
And this you want to prove how?
Why are you so desperate?
GH seems willing to die for the town unlike you.
And that we lose if we kill you, sounds more like lie to me than anything else.
Im desesperated because, i tried to prove my inoccence many times and some people *cough*Stig*cough* doesnt believe me.
Im desesperated because, i tried to prove my inoccence many times and some people *cough*Stig*cough* doesnt believe me.
I don't think anyone believes you at this point ~;)
GeneralHankerchief
02-20-2007, 01:15
Just to confirm
Challenge:GeneralJotun
If you're trying to make sure that my innocence is doubted so that the town won't trust me during the endgame, you are wrong. Here's what's going to happen:
- The Holmgang will take place, as usual.
- I will fail, miserably.
- I will be escorted to a better world by that buxom blonde beauty, and I will laugh.
You should have removed me in the beginning, Caius. I would have probably lost interest. But now I'm going to do the best I can to aid the town and find the third Jotun, after you and Andres.
pevergreen
02-20-2007, 01:40
Andres is Jotun. he didnt go to Vahalla or whatever, he was killed by a god, and showed no pain by being wounded.
PLUS: When your stat goes up a point, he doesnt put your old score in. Just:
New Holmgang score is 7
Well the game is progressing nicely. Just identify the jotun by process of elimination now. Someone should have a list of the confirmed townies. Anyone not on that list - well gets to explain themselves during the next lynch.
Reenk Roink
02-20-2007, 02:27
My latest theory on that is that Loki may actually have counted as a member of the Jotun team(he was brought away by a shadow after all and lied about his Holmgang stats etc., might as well have lied about his team), in that case, killing Caius should win the game for us.
So having Seamus challenge him could be a good thing.
Dude, you are so naive. :rolleyes: I gave proof upon proof of my special status, revealed Ichigo to you, and had a 9 Holmgang... A 7 can beat a 9. Read the story again. I have having my way with Heimdall until he got a lucky parry. Also read the "I fought Jotun when you were still sucking breast" comment Sigurd Fafnesbane put in. It's not too hard to put 2 and 2 together... :rolleyes:
If you're trying to make sure that my innocence is doubted so that the town won't trust me during the endgame, you are wrong. Here's what's going to happen:
- The Holmgang will take place, as usual.
- I will fail, miserably.
- I will be escorted to a better world by that buxom blonde beauty, and I will laugh.
You should have removed me in the beginning, Caius. I would have probably lost interest. But now I'm going to do the best I can to aid the town and find the third Jotun, after you and Andres.
err, the second jotun.
So, you are Jotun.Prepare the perma-ban, Sasaki
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 02:31
Didn't you say you had the highest holmgang Reenk?
pevergreen
02-20-2007, 02:32
I got taken by a black haired lady....any think that could mean anything or is it just typo/doesnt matter
Reenk Roink
02-20-2007, 02:32
Didn't you say you had the highest holmgang Reenk?
Yeah, a 9... Read last post.
Dude, you are so naive. :rolleyes: I gave proof upon proof of my special status, revealed Ichigo to you, and had a 9 Holmgang... A 7 can beat a 9. Read the story again. I have having my way with Heimdall until he got a lucky parry. Also read the "I fought Jotun when you were still sucking breast" comment Sigurd Fafnesbane put in. It's not too hard to put 2 and 2 together... :rolleyes:
Dood, you are so naive.
Did you forget your confession that you replaced by a joker smiley?
And you did not have a 9 Holmgang despite the fact that even a 2 Holmgang can beat a 9 Holmgang.
I'm not doubting that you are Loki, I'm just saying that maybe, just maybe, you technically count as a Jotun, but we will find that out after we got the next Jotun anyway. And that next Jotun is most likely Caius.
Dood, you are so naive.
Did you forget your confession that you replaced by a joker smiley?
And you did not have a 9 Holmgang despite the fact that even a 2 Holmgang can beat a 9 Holmgang.
I'm not doubting that you are Loki, I'm just saying that maybe, just maybe, you technically count as a Jotun, but we will find that out after we got the next Jotun anyway. And that next Jotun is most likely Caius.
WRONG WRONG WRONG
Cf is a townie, who wants to kill the Jotun.
Reenk Roink
02-20-2007, 02:50
Dood, you are so naive.
Did you forget your confession that you replaced by a joker smiley?
Lie or a Delusion... :rolleyes: I clearly stated that was a flame at Ichigo, which I didn't need when Sigurd Fafnesbane as the host himself exposed Ichigo's lies.
And you did not have a 9 Holmgang despite the fact that even a 2 Holmgang can beat a 9 Holmgang.
Suuuure I did... :rolleyes:
I'm not doubting that you are Loki, I'm just saying that maybe, just maybe, you technically count as a Jotun, but we will find that out after we got the next Jotun anyway. And that next Jotun is most likely Caius.
Again, if I'm at all connected with the Jotun, why the comment "I fought Jotun when you were still sucking breast"?
Really Husar, you gotta do better... Perhaps you are Jotun?
Well done RR.You have discovered a Jotun.Nice work!
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 02:53
Yeah, a 9... Read last post.
Which would mean the jotun had max of 8.
So 7v9 is a fairly even battle with the 7 winning, but sapi (6) vs andres (8) results in total domination?
methinks you inflated your holmgang.
Also, husar was attacked by jotun :smash:
Reenk Roink
02-20-2007, 02:54
Well done RR.You have discovered a Jotun.Nice work!
Husar is nothing but suspicious (or naive). So are you. We can't extrapolate that he (or you) is Jotun from that. Remember, the town must use it's lynches wisely. I want to win this thing damn it! :annoyed:
GeneralHankerchief
02-20-2007, 02:54
Caius, if you want to prove yourself innocent, then actually post something of worth instead of just saying "WRONG I'M INNOCENT." Until that happens, your role is fixed in my mind. We shall meet on the battlefield, sir.
Also, Husar = innocent. :grin:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 02:55
Gah! What is that avatar?
I shall see you there.I will die anyhow
GeneralHankerchief
02-20-2007, 02:56
Heh, the M2TW avatars have been unlocked thanks to Tamur. This is my character for KotR. Sorry.
(if you don't like it he's due to die soon, so don't worry. :tongue:)
Andres, GH and Husar, Lynch they!!
They are mafia or Jotun, how GH knows Husar is 'innocent'?Well, thats a lie.They try to make you think they are inocent, like me, but there is a little difference
Im a innocent townie, with Holmang status 2They are Jotun, with high Holgmang status
pevergreen
02-20-2007, 02:58
Gah! What is that avatar?
m2TW avatars are up!
~:cheers:
But no heavy infantry. So I stay with this one.
I base who is posting off their avatars. So dont change! :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
02-20-2007, 03:00
Andres, GH and Husar, Lynch they!!
They are mafia or Jotun, how GH knows Husar is 'innocent'?Well, thats a lie.They try to make you think they are inocent, like me, but there is a little difference
Im a innocent townie, with Holmang status 2They are Jotun, with high Holgmang status
Oh dear God.
Husar is innocent because you tried to attack him. I think a Jotun attack proves innocence, no?
And please, please, PLEASE post something with meat on it. Right now you're being annoying.
Sorry, I will fight you.Maybe I have a posibility
Lie or a Delusion... :rolleyes: I clearly stated that was a flame at Ichigo, which I didn't need when Sigurd Fafnesbane as the host himself exposed Ichigo's lies.
Sigurd Fafnesbane as the host also mentioned your confession, I didn't even read it myself. But the fact that he mentions it, proves that it really was there. And a confession is a confession.
Suuuure I did... :rolleyes:
No you didn't. And your rolleye smileys speak a lot for themselves, god of chaos and lies...
Again, if I'm at all connected with the Jotun, why the comment "I fought Jotun when you were still sucking breast"?
Well, maybe because you are the god of chaos who wants to confuse the bystanders and tries to deceive everybody until his last breath?
You yourself told us that we could not trust you.
Really Husar, you gotta do better... Perhaps you are Jotun?
That is the most hilarious comment so far.:laugh4:
Almost as good as CF's defense which consists mostly of repeating "I'm innocent" again and again.
Reenk Roink
02-20-2007, 03:15
Sigurd Fafnesbane as the host also mentioned your confession, I didn't even read it myself. But the fact that he mentions it, proves that it really was there. And a confession is a confession.
Suuuuure he did. Man, care to give some proof. Maybe Sigurd Fafnesbane will also post that here. After all, if he said I confessed to you (through some weird medium you haven't clarified), he will do the same here. You lie (badly too).
No you didn't. And your rolleye smileys speak a lot for themselves, god of chaos and lies...
Wow, a rolleyes smiley somehow indicate truth or lies. Please tell me how this works. Great one Husar, keep going... :laugh4:
Well, maybe because you are the god of chaos who wants to confuse the bystanders and tries to deceive everybody until his last breath?
You yourself told us that we could not trust you.
I didn't write the Holmgang duel, Sigurd Fafnesbane did. The rest of your statement is non sequiter... As illogical as Ichigo... :no:
That is the most hilarious comment so far.:laugh4:
Almost as good as CF's defense which consists mostly of repeating "I'm innocent" again and again.
Glad you liked it. Any actual argument against it? No, didn't think so... :rolleyes:
Naive...
Seamus Fermanagh
02-20-2007, 04:34
Caius:
Nothing personal, but we're at the endgame.
You are NOT a jarl or a king, therefore the sacrafice of your life, while annoying to you in that we all try to survive as well as win, is irrelevant to the town victory.
I think you are Jotun, but I may (guesstimating 15%) be wrong. This is irrelevant. You are not part of our victory conditions.
Sasaki suspects you a lot, the General a bit, and is using this holmgang to kill one of the last two suspects on his list. If that makes three, because an earlier holmgang got lucky, then it's over. If not, the winner too will probably die.
btw, Sasaki loves the thought of one jotun being forced to duel the other revealing both and yielding a win for the town -- fits his sense of poetic justice.
The bet is that we can kill ALL of our remaining suspects before the jotun (you?) can kill the remaining nobles. If you are an innocent townie, do you think that would stay this plan at this stage?
If you're jotun, then die well.
If you're not, then die well.
Skoal!
Well, I am probably preaching in the desert and nobody wants to listen, but this is my legacy to the game:
- I was a townie with low stats (you will believe me once the game is finished, I am amazed nobody accepted my "post an embarassing picture of yourself"-challenge. Sasaki, if you are so sure, why don't you accept?).
- In the write-up it is mentioned I entered a berserker mode. My guess is that I got strenghtened by a God. I suspected this earlier on in the game and I think that is why humble, weak townies like us can win from mighty adversaries: my townie pm, which was posted in here before, mentioned explicitly that I didn't have any chance to win a duel in Holmgang and that I should pray to the Gods...
- This is my guess: like Loki, the other Gods had a chance to chose: Jotun or townie. My guess is that a God can grant powers to those who he wishes too. Like a doctor who protects a townie at night, a God can give powers to whoever is on his team during Holmgang. That's why I won (well, at least, that's my guess).
- I stick to my first idea, listening to my guts: Don_Corleone is one of these Gods and he choose Jotun-side. As for the suspects: I think GeneralHankerchief is one of them. Husar and Stig might be the other two. Unless we got lucky with our lynching, me thinks there are still 3 Jotun left.
Sorry Ichigo...
@Andres - if you prayed to dark gods than you deserve death :beam:
As sasaki pointed out, if Seamus VS RR was an even match, you would hve to be allied with the jotuns to beat me that easily
What the...?
Hey man, where is my Valhalla? Is this because I am killed by Sigurd (a God)?
Nobody will believe me, but I am human, just a townie and not jotun.
I AM I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T !!!
If at the end of the game, I turn out to be guilty and a Jotun or a pro-Jotun role in Sigurd's final write-up with the reveal of the roles of every participant, I promise I will post a picture of myself, drunk as hell during carnaval. However, if I turn out to be a regular, innocent townie/pro-town role, I want pictures from every single one of you who accused me, on you knees begging AndresTheCunning for forgiveness, stickied in the gameroom, the picture of Sasaki being the first one.
Well, who wants to make this deal with me? Just quote this post and write "I agree with the above and I will post an embarrassing picture of myself on my knees, begging AndresTheCunning for forgiveness for my mistake if he turns out to be innocent id est not Jotun or not having a pro-Jotun role, in this game. That picture will be stickied in the gameroom by the moderator Sasaki Kojiro".
Come on!
Well, sapi are you willing to accept the above challenge? Or Sasaki? Not so sure anymore now?
Btw, sapi, my guess is that the Gods chose who they want to grant powers, I don't think the recipient of the powers has any choice...
Looking forward to your embarassing picture :grin:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-20-2007, 09:54
Your defence is just not good enough Caius.
@Omanes - we're not challenging this round by popular decree
could you please withdraw it (fine until the host reads it) and let Caisu vs GH?
Omanes, what are you doing? Read the thread ... me thinks Omanes is Jotun again, we all agreed that one should challenge someone else, no 6 six challenges, only 1.
I'd say simply lynch him, but that'd be a waste (of a lynch, not a person).
Just pray that he doesn't get picked or that he has the common sense to withdraw...
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-20-2007, 14:23
I am not Jotun. The PM is evidently not faked and Dutch_guy can confirm this. Please read the thread and then decide.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 15:43
@Andres: if I had a camera.
Suuuuure he did. Man, care to give some proof.
You wish...
Maybe Sigurd Fafnesbane will also post that here. After all, if he said I confessed to you (through some weird medium you haven't clarified), he will do the same here. You lie (badly too).
It was in a private chat session, I even do have a log but I'm not gonna post it here for the reason that I made it up and lied about it just like you say.
Or maybe I'm just being a jerk?
I'm not gonna tell you because you're such a good liar, you'd twist it anayway to make me look like I lied.
Wow, a rolleyes smiley somehow indicate truth or lies. Please tell me how this works. Great one Husar, keep going... :laugh4:
That was just my personal opinion of the matter, if you don't like it, your problem, but apparently you enjoy it as much as I do.:2thumbsup:
I didn't write the Holmgang duel, Sigurd Fafnesbane did. The rest of your statement is non sequiter... As illogical as Ichigo... :no:
And Sigurd also wrote that Ichigo went to Valhalla while you didn't, go figure...
Glad you liked it. Any actual argument against it? No, didn't think so... :rolleyes:
That's very funny again, as if I'd need an argument...:sweatdrop:
Reenk Roink
02-20-2007, 16:59
You wish...
For proof? Of course I wish you would prove your claims. What is claimed without reasons can be dismissed without reasons (or it can be dismissed by the fact.
It was in a private chat session, I even do have a log but I'm not gonna post it here for the reason that I made it up and lied about it just like you say.
Or maybe I'm just being a jerk?
Post it. Of course I'm thinking you are lying (or just naive) because what you say is not the case. What else can I think?
You will need an impartial third party witness and Sigurd Fafnesbane to confirm that you are telling the truth.
After all, if he told one player in private, he should tell the whole Midgard gang right?
I'm not gonna tell you because you're such a good liar, you'd twist it anayway to make me look like I lied.
What a poor excuse... :rolleyes:
That was just my personal opinion of the matter, if you don't like it, your problem, but apparently you enjoy it as much as I do.:2thumbsup:
Opinions are so cool. I like cheese. There's my opinion. :rolleyes:
And Sigurd also wrote that Ichigo went to Valhalla while you didn't, go figure...
So, instead of explaining why Sigurd Fafnesbane wrote that "I fought Jotun", you try to avoid the question up an irrelevant factoid. Yup, I'm Loki, and I go to Asgard. It's where the gods chill... :rockstar:
That's very funny again, as if I'd need an argument...:sweatdrop:
Well...yes. Otherwise you just have an unsupported claim.
Once again, I argue with logical clarity and evidence, while my opponents dig their own graves...
right?
wrong.
So, instead of explaining why Sigurd Fafnesbane wrote that "I fought Jotun", you try to avoid the question up an irrelevant factoid. Yup, I'm Loki, and I go to Asgard. It's where the gods chill... :rockstar:
Nonono, you argued that Sigurd gave you an alibi by putting the words about fighting Jotun into your mouth and still called Ichigo a Jotun. I just wanted to make it obvious that either of your claims is false because Ichigo went to Valhalla and that was written by the same person who put those words into your mouth. So you either have to admit that Sigurd cannot be believed(which would make Ichigo Jotun and nullify your weak alibi) or he can be believed and that proves Ichigo's innocence and supports your weak alibi while revealing that you lied about Ichigo being Jotun.
You cannot have both Mister.
Once again, I argue with logical clarity and evidence, while my opponents dig their own graves...
The clarity of your wine may be responsible for you missing that I was attacked by Jotun two rounds ago, as was already mentioned numerous times by Sasaki and GH. You either don't read anything here or you may want to explain how your logical clarity missed that piece of evidence.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-20-2007, 20:55
Okay.
Just for the sake of discussion, let's assume Husar and everyone else is wrong, that Reenk is pro-townie after his "choice," and that we're barking up the wrong tree.
Reenk:
Who should we challenge?
Following this night, who should be lynched?
So far, I have heard a lot from you about how we are on the wrong track. Provide an alternative path to victory.
Reenk Roink
02-20-2007, 21:19
wrong.
You see, this kind of one word, no argument, rebuff makes you look wrong... :idea: Just a hint... :wink:
Nonono, you argued that Sigurd gave you an alibi by putting the words about fighting Jotun into your mouth and still called Ichigo a Jotun. I just wanted to make it obvious that either of your claims is false because Ichigo went to Valhalla and that was written by the same person who put those words into your mouth. So you either have to admit that Sigurd cannot be believed(which would make Ichigo Jotun and nullify your weak alibi) or he can be believed and that proves Ichigo's innocence and supports your weak alibi while revealing that you lied about Ichigo being Jotun.
You cannot have both Mister.
You do not understand, and you are trying to "have both" yourself.
Now, I have always claimed that we should not put much weight on the stories of Sigurd Fafnesbane. They are stories, and not conclusive evidence.
The only reason I bring up the facts of:
1) Me kicking Heimdall around in our Holmgang.
2) Me saying that I fought Jotun.
...is because you seem to be putting quite a lot of weight on stories when you claim Ichigo went to Valhalla (which if you read more carefully, you will see that is not explicitly stated).
So, if you are going to put weight on the stories then:
1) Ichigo must be non-Jotun affiliated (as he went to a yellow building).
2) I must be non-Jotun affiliated (as I said I fought Jotun).
That is the natural consequence of accepting Sigurd Fafnesbane stories as fact. If you (as you did earlier) try to paint me as Jotun or Jotun affiliated, you are verging on either hypocrisy or incoherency.
I, do not put weight on the stories. Thus I can logically claim that Ichigo was guilty and I was pro-town alignment, and not face inconsistency.
The clarity of your wine may be responsible for you missing that I was attacked by Jotun two rounds ago, as was already mentioned numerous times by Sasaki and GH. You either don't read anything here or you may want to explain how your logical clarity missed that piece of evidence.
See, that wasn't so hard then? You provided evidence for your claim. I have confirmed that you indeed were attacked in the night (though claiming that it was a Jotun is stretching the evidence, though still plausible).
You status defaults back to naive.
You really need to watch out though, you were embarking for the longest time on a tide of irrationality.
Just for the sake of discussion, let's assume Husar and everyone else is wrong, that Reenk is pro-townie after his "choice," and that we're barking up the wrong tree.
Ichigo, Husar, and Sasaki Kojiro are the only ones adamantly claiming (though not providing rational argument to support that claim) I am either Jotun or pro Jotun or not anti-town.
Who should we challenge?
Following this night, who should be lynched?
1) I don't know.
2) I don't know (Caius Flaminius is the best suspect but read on).
So far, I have heard a lot from you about how we are on the wrong track. Provide an alternative path to victory.
Wrong Seamus Fermanagh. I have quieted down since my death. I have only posted a stretch on two occasions. One was right after Ichigo's death and subsequent slander, the second was after Husar's slander. Obviously, I am only responding to slander. I have not said that the town was on the wrong track, let alone said much of it after my death. I have merely advised that the town is in an precarious position and must proceed rationally.
If I wanted to cause Chaos at the expense of the town, I wouldn't have quieted down like I did. I only respond posthumously to slander (as it is so weak and irrational as to beg refutation in itself)...
I have no magical alternative path, just some common sense advice. While I do see that Caius Flaminius is suspicious, especially in his behavior after being accused, there is quite a valid and cogent alternative other then him being Jotun: Caius Flaminius is a non-native speaker. Read Interficio quod Scrupulosa and you will see that miscommunication occurred in that game as well, which bears a striking resemblance to the situation now.
At the Ting court that afternoon the retinue of the kingdoms marched up to the runestone where the old man waited.
They had found another in their midst that they believed to be a Jotun. This man had been talking much lately, but hadn’t been able to defend the accusations raised against him. The retinues wanted him dead and had brought him to the Ting in shackles.
Ichigo stood as tall as he was with a determined mien. This man was a proud man no doubt. “Do you have anything to say?” asked the old man. The man called Ichigo looked at the people gathered. “You have all been fooled by that Loki, whom you took in and embraced; now I have to die because of his lies.” Some of the people gathered yelled: “Yeah continue your tales Jotun, you will die today.”
The old man motioned to the nearest men to place Ichigo at the pole.
They complied and the old man asked: “Any one here good with a bow?” All raised their hand and three were picked. They lined up and at the signal of the old man let arrows fly towards the heart of Ichigo.
Ichigo found himself on a horse that galloped through the air. In front of him sat the most beautiful woman he had ever seen. Her Black long hair smelled of flowers and she cast a casual eye behind her and said: “There you are good looking; it’s time to get you home where you belong.” Ichigo knew he had struck gold and took in the scenery ahead. There amongst the mountains he saw a golden roof. Could it be?
I still can't believe your claiming that I'm Jotun. It's laughable:laugh4:
Reenk Roink
02-20-2007, 21:37
I still can't believe your claiming that I'm Jotun. It's laughable:laugh4:
This is perhaps because you don't understand the fact that if one does not hold the stories as conclusive proof, then that statement is meaningless.
Also, I have the PM's still rotting. I shall post screenshots when the game is over (and it will just be beating the dead horse but still...).
I have no magical alternative path, just some common sense advice. While I do see that Caius Flaminius is suspicious, especially in his behavior after being accused, there is quite a valid and cogent alternative other then him being Jotun: Caius Flaminius is a non-native speaker. Read Interficio quod Scrupulosa and you will see that miscommunication occurred in that game as well, which bears a striking resemblance to the situation now.
YOu have discovered America :bounce:.
Have I to tell everyone im from :argentina:?
This is perhaps because you don't understand the fact that if one does not hold the stories as conclusive proof, then that statement is meaningless.
Also, I have the PM's still rotting. I shall post screenshots when the game is over (and it will just be beating the dead horse but still...).
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1426865&postcount=995
You see, this kind of one word, no argument, rebuff makes you look wrong... :idea: Just a hint... :wink:
Look this, look that, you yourself look pretty wrong, especially since I know you posted a confession. You try not to talk about it it seems.
You do not understand, and you are trying to "have both" yourself.
Now, I have always claimed that we should not put much weight on the stories of Sigurd Fafnesbane. They are stories, and not conclusive evidence.
No, my claim is a bit different, you did not understand my claim.
I said that Sigurd may have put those words into your mouth because you have the role of a deceiver. After all you were about to fight Heimdall in that scene and wanted the support of the town. And if you never put much weight into Sigurd's words, why did you use them for your defense?
Let me quote you:
Again, if I'm at all connected with the Jotun, why the comment "I fought Jotun when you were still sucking breast"?
Really Husar, you gotta do better... Perhaps you are Jotun?
For reference, look here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1434323&postcount=1401).
The only reason I bring up the facts of:
1) Me kicking Heimdall around in our Holmgang.
2) Me saying that I fought Jotun.
...is because you seem to be putting quite a lot of weight on stories when you claim Ichigo went to Valhalla (which if you read more carefully, you will see that is not explicitly stated).
So, if you are going to put weight on the stories then:
1) Ichigo must be non-Jotun affiliated (as he went to a yellow building).
2) I must be non-Jotun affiliated (as I said I fought Jotun).
It's nice that you try to adjust, but you gotta do better, like i said aboce, you got my reasoning wrong and the deaths of people are more beliveable than a single sentence simply because they have a certain consistency throughout the whole game and we can compare the deaths of different people with those whose role we know(like your role and that of Redleg).
I, do not put weight on the stories. Thus I can logically claim that Ichigo was guilty and I was pro-town alignment, and not face inconsistency.
That's good for you, but I'm missing a bit of evidence that cannot be dismissed as lies of yours.
See, that wasn't so hard then? You provided evidence for your claim. I have confirmed that you indeed were attacked in the night (though claiming that it was a Jotun is stretching the evidence, though still plausible).
Well, introducing roles to support some weird claim is exactly what AndresTheDeadJotun did, do you really think that would make you sound more believable?
You status defaults back to naive.
I wasn't really posting here to exchange insults or what could be seen as such.
Caius Flaminius is a non-native speaker.
Erm, yes, I considered that, but apparently he felt that his grasp of the language was enough to participate in such a game of analysis and confusion.
Erm, yes, I considered that, but apparently he felt that his grasp of the language was enough to participate in such a game of analysis and confusion.
it wasnt the enough.
Challenges:
1. GH vs. CF
2. CF vs. GH
wasn't there one more...? I swear I saw another earlier.
Oh well... I guess it will be GH vs. CF
Results will be up soon (I just got back from work)
Sigurd
Why the rest doesnt challenge some one more?
Reenk Roink
02-20-2007, 22:23
Look this, look that, you yourself look pretty wrong, especially since I know you posted a confession. You try not to talk about it it seems.
You "know" I posted a confession, and yet you said you never saw it and Sigurd Fafnesbane told you. You also refuse to post the chat log of it.
I've already asked you to post the chat log and find a third party witness to confirm it or get Sigurd Fafnesbane to tell the whole town what he told you. You gave some weak excuse and rushed on to the next point...
Don't accuse me of "trying not to talk about it".
No, my claim is a bit different, you did not understand my claim.
I said that Sigurd may have put those words into your mouth because you have the role of a deceiver. After all you were about to fight Heimdall in that scene and wanted the support of the town.
A conspiracy theory, but at least you avoid inconsistency (which has been your bane in our discussion). OK, well if you claim that Sigurd Fafnesbane put those words in my mouth because I am a deceiver, what stops me from claiming that Sigurd Fafnesbane put a false vision for Ichigo as Jotun are supposed to win by deceiving the town.
And if you never put much weight into Sigurd's words, why did you use them for your defense?
Let me quote you:
For reference, look here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1434323&postcount=1401).
You should read more carefully. Here is the selection where I already answer your question in my last post:
"The only reason I bring up the facts of:
1) Me kicking Heimdall around in our Holmgang.
2) Me saying that I fought Jotun.
...is because you seem to be putting quite a lot of weight on stories when you claim Ichigo went to Valhalla (which if you read more carefully, you will see that is not explicitly stated).
So, if you are going to put weight on the stories then:
1) Ichigo must be non-Jotun affiliated (as he went to a yellow building).
2) I must be non-Jotun affiliated (as I said I fought Jotun).
That is the natural consequence of accepting Sigurd Fafnesbane stories as fact. If you (as you did earlier) try to paint me as Jotun or Jotun affiliated, you are verging on either hypocrisy or incoherency.
I, do not put weight on the stories. Thus I can logically claim that Ichigo was guilty and I was pro-town alignment, and not face inconsistency."
It's nice that you try to adjust, but you gotta do better, like i said aboce, you got my reasoning wrong and the deaths of people are more beliveable than a single sentence simply because they have a certain consistency throughout the whole game and we can compare the deaths of different people with those whose role we know(like your role and that of Redleg).
1) I'm not "adjusting". See above and cease with the false accusation.
2) I "got your reasoning wrong" because you never made it clear until this post.
3) Your justification for relying on the stories is lacking.
That's good for you, but I'm missing a bit of evidence that cannot be dismissed as lies of yours.
You just need higher standards of discernment...
Well, introducing roles to support some weird claim is exactly what AndresTheDeadJotun did, do you really think that would make you sound more believable?
Excuse me? I'm "introducing roles"? I haven't read all the stories after my death, and I only am posting in retaliation to your slander. Until you provided evidence that you were attacked, how could you expect me to not be suspicious of you?
I wasn't really posting here to exchange insults or what could be seen as such.
Really?
The clarity of your wine...
Please, watch out when you contradict yourself...
Erm, yes, I considered that, but apparently he felt that his grasp of the language was enough to participate in such a game of analysis and confusion.
Did you actually read Interficio quod Scrupolosa?
Did you actually read Interficio quod Scrupolosa?
Read it, Jusar.With J of Jotun!
GeneralHankerchief
02-20-2007, 22:29
Read it, Jusar.With J of Jotun!
Husar is innocent, with an I.
Why?
Because he was attacked by them.
That makes him innocent.
And why are you so anxious to have other people challenging all of a sudden.
Husar is innocent, with an I.
Why?
Because he was attacked by them.
That makes him innocent.
And why are you so anxious to have other people challenging all of a sudden.
Why dont challenge other who can be Jotun.
As always I told you, Im innocent,and I have posted my PM.Why you dont want to believe me?Are you blind of what?
Dutch_guy
02-20-2007, 22:37
Why dont challenge other who can be Jotun.
As always I told you, Im innocent,and I have posted my PM.Why you dont want to believe me?Are you blind of what?
Yes, but didn't Csar already post a townie pm before that ? Thus making it mere copy & paste work to get your hands on one.
Also, providing a link to said post wouldn't hurt also. Not many 'll search extensively for it, as it's not their life on the line...
:balloon2:
Yes, but didn't Csar already post a townie pm before that ? Thus making it mere copy & paste work to get your hands on one.
On the other hand, his English is not good enough to even consider making a fake pm...
I think you guys are wrong. Proletariat and AlexanderthePrettyGood are better candidates to lynch.
Late Andres, but thank you.
:bow:
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/RuneStone9_1.jpg
Round 8
The men and women of the three kingdoms now were sure that there must have been more than one Jotun amongst them. They walked about scowling at each other. A few people kept their trust to just another and others to small groups. People were still dying and it was an ill omen that young people died in their beds. Their place at the table of Odin was at stake. The Norse were usually not afraid of death, but this Jotun business had them talking about being taken by the daughters of Hel; not at all promising. Maybe it was not only Jotun lurking in the shadows of the night. Maybe there were other creatures amongst them? How well had they infiltrated the retinues of the kingdoms? Some wondered. “Surly Andres was the last” the most positive of them exclaimed. “I am not going to die by the hand of a Jotun” GH said.
I challenge you CF to a Holmgang. I want an honourable death. I want to die in battle. CF acknowledged the challenge and the circle was drawn up.
GH and CF both drew their swords and lunged for each other. They were battling hard and long. GH got in a slash at CF’s shoulder which made a serious gash. Blood were streaming down CF’s arm which made it numb. Unfortunately this was his sword arm. CF got angry and tore at his tunic with his teeth. Berserkr rage came over him and he took the sword with the other hand and went for GH. He swung his blade from side to side and caught GH in his thigh. The cut was deep and severed some of the ligaments witch resulted in GH losing his footing. The leg was not working as it should and he was greatly disadvantaged. CF stepped up to the wobbling GH and skewered his heart. GH went down as a sack of oats and darkness overcame him.
Omanes were trying to get some sleep, but found no comfort in dreams. He lay there looking up at the canvas ceiling and contemplated how to get out of this ordeal in one piece. A looming figure appeared out of nothing. “No sleep to be found, great King of Rogaland? That is what you claim to be. This night it is your turn to please Hel.” Omanes jumped up sword in hand. “We will se Jotun”. He attempted to skewer the heart of this evil thing, but the Jotun was quick and stepped aside as the sword tried to strike flesh. Omanes was off balance and the Jotun grabbed Omanes’ head and twisted. Omanes was on a horse behind a gorgeous blond. She turned and said: “Highness, your place at the table of Odin waits. It is my duty to get you there as fast as possible.”
Kukri was tired like a dog and slept hard when a big shadow appeared. He never felt the stab that brought him to a beautiful woman on a horse. He was tired even here in the nether world. The woman embraced him and said: “Come, warrior find comfort in my arms. I shall take you home where you might rest until The Gods wants your service.
Tally:
Murdered (10):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Redleg
Sasaki
Crazed Rabbit
Pevergreen
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
KukriKhan
Killed in Holmgang (7):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Reenk Roink (Seamus)
Kagemusha (Omanes)
CountArach (Stig)
Sapi (Andres)
GeneralHankerchief (Caius Flaminius)
Executed (5):
Discovery1
Ichigo
Warluster
Lord Motep of Kendermore
AndresTheCunning
WoG (2)
JimBob
Sir Boo
Still Alive (8):
Alexander the Pretty Good
Caius Flaminius
Don Corleone
Husar
Kralizec (Fenring)
Proletariat
Seamus Fermanagh
Stig
*voting starts now*
You "know" I posted a confession, and yet you said you never saw it and Sigurd Fafnesbane told you. You also refuse to post the chat log of it.
I've already asked you to post the chat log and find a third party witness to confirm it or get Sigurd Fafnesbane to tell the whole town what he told you. You gave some weak excuse and rushed on to the next point...
It was a private chat, hard to find witnesses.
Really?
Please, watch out when you contradict yourself...
Well, you cut my sentence right in front of the important word "may", it was meant as a light joke with a reference to the clarity you meantioned, but maybe I didn't make that obvious enough.
Did you actually read Interficio quod Scrupolosa?
Nope, but if a lacking english causes someone so many problems, he should not really complain as long as he keeps joining these games.
I don't think we can give anyone a blanco cheque just because his english is not that great.
Sorry, had a longer reply when the notebook crashed and don't really want to repeat all that now.
GeneralHankerchief
02-20-2007, 23:14
Ugh. I wanted valkyries.
I realize that the manner of my death makes me impossible to trust, so I will just watch the remainder of this game in silence.
CF entered Berserker mode, just like I did.
My guess? One of the Gods is playing a very clever game. The Gods act like a doctor: they give protection during Holmgang, the protected player can enter Berserker mode and will be able to defeat a much stronger foe.
That is what is happening right now! Are you guys blind? Caius is as innocent as me!
Proletariat and Alexander are your targets, townies!
Gah! This is frustrating.
Damn you Sigurd :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 23:17
well, townies don't go to valhalla. But you battled much too hard versus CF to be townie anyway ~;)
GeneralHankerchief
02-20-2007, 23:18
well, townies don't go to valhalla. But you battled much too hard versus CF to be townie anyway ~;)
I'll be wanting that apology after the game ends. :yes:
I'll be wanting that apology after the game ends. :yes:
And I want him to agree with my "post an embarrassing picture of yourself"-challenge :yes:
Gah, all of you are cowards for not accepting that challenge :no:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 23:26
We all know you're guilty...
Alexander the Pretty Good=possible Jotun
Caius Flaminius=possible Jotun
Don Corleone=Attacked most likely innocent
Husar=Attacked most likely innocent
Kralizec (Fenring)=Possible Jotun
Proletariat=Attacked most likely innocent
Seamus Fermanagh=God innocent
Stig=Possible Jotun
I think we should go back and do some reading on the four people in question.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-20-2007, 23:33
We lynch caius...townies don't have berserker rage.
We lynch caius...townies don't have berserker rage.
I'de Holmgang Stig after that. Though you have to wonder why APG and Fenring haven't been WoG'd they have a combined total of 15 posts.
I had this PM from Sigurd seconds ago
The Midgard Saga (round 8)
You won your Holmgang
You therefore get an extra point in your Holmgang ability.
Holmgang ability: 2 (townie) + 1 (win) = 3
The same as Andres posted.
Vote: Caius, for all the reasons we know. Jotun don't go berserk, all the reasons from this night fase, all the reasons from all the other days, etc
OMG Bandwagon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:Stig
Why?
He is starting a bandwagon.Are bandwagons good for we,the townies?No.Thats the reason why I vote Stig.He has not been suspected in the whole game.He can be Jotun and noone think about that.But, please, think twice about voting.Voting has become crucial.If you vote me,You will be killing a townie and therefore, making your last votation, who Knows?.Maybe a God(Seamus)let me enter in berserker mode.Im not sure about that.Maybe a post from he?
Bandwagon? I'm the first to vote for you
Vote: Caius
Vote: Caius
Vote: Caius
now it's a bandwagon
Seamus can't let you enter Berserk mode, read his role.
OMG Bandwagon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:Stig
Why?
He is starting a bandwagon.Are bandwagons good for we,the townies?No.Thats the reason why I vote Stig.He has not been suspected in the whole game.He can be Jotun and noone think about that.But, please, think twice about voting.Voting has become crucial.If you vote me,You will be killing a townie and therefore, making your last votation, who Knows?.Maybe a God(Seamus)let me enter in berserker mode.Im not sure about that.Maybe a post from he?
Your the one all the evidence points too, and the fact RR is halfway arguing on your behalf is rather odd.
Vote: Caius Flaminius
for reasons I will keep secret(if Reenk asks).
Vote: Caius Flaminius
for reasons I will keep secret(if Reenk asks).
Why are you hiding something?
Seamus Fermanagh
02-21-2007, 02:45
Vote: Caius
For the finale, and thanks for the polite acknowledgement.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-21-2007, 02:54
Even the mafia admit we've won...
If CF isn't it then well I don't know.
Even the mafia admit we've won...
You are going to the wrong side.When you kill the wrong, when you think you are going to win, when everything seems to be easily to the town, things can change.And this will be profitless.Now, you have two choices.Kill me, 'The Red' or Abstain and kill me later, when things can be clarified.If you dont abstain, you lose in one or two turns.If you abstain or not kill me, the town can have two or three more turns.
Im not a fortuneteller, im a person who want to kill the Jotun.Think it, you can kill me in the next round, or holmang me.But please, delay my death.It will be good for the town.This is not a strike to save myself, this is a strike to save the town
There's no reason to not lynch you. Your guilty there's no point arguing anymore no one is going to change their minds I don't think.
There's no reason to not lynch you. Your guilty there's no point arguing anymore no one is going to change their minds I don't think.
YOU ARE BLIND or what?
Im trying to make a move to help the town.Im helping, and all of you try to kill me.
KukriKhan
02-21-2007, 04:31
Kukri was tired like a dog and slept hard when a big shadow appeared. He never felt the stab that brought him to a beautiful woman on a horse. He was tired even here in the nether world. The woman embraced him and said: “Come, warrior find comfort in my arms. I shall take you home where you might rest until The Gods wants your service.
Yanno, I HAVE been tired... and if the fates have decided that I cannot die with sword in hand, defending m'lord the King of Hordaland, than I welcome the swiftness of the hand that brought me to this beautiful place. I shall serve the Gods in any way they please, anytime they please. :bow:
Q: did any living townie actually find the last 2 pages enlightening? Entertaining, yes I grant, but useful in making a decision to kill via lynch or Holmgang? TBH I found myself skipping any post longer than a paragraph, because it was just more "you said - he said - I said" stuff. OTOH, what do I know? I'm dead. :)
Q2: When a Jotun (or mafia) murders someone in the night phase, do they personally know it? If cF killed me, for example, would the game controller let him know by PM? Or is it anonymous?
Ichigo's summary
Alexander the Pretty Good=possible Jotun
Caius Flaminius=possible Jotun
Don Corleone=Attacked most likely innocent
Husar=Attacked most likely innocent
Kralizec (Fenring)=Possible Jotun
Proletariat=Attacked most likely innocent
Seamus Fermanagh=God innocent
Stig=Possible Jotun
seems accurate. Based on nothing but intuition, I say the living townies ought to lynch/challenge:
Caius Flaminius (he protests too much)
Stig (he protests too little)
AtpGood (silent guy)
Fenring (has stayed above suspicion, skillfully)
in that order. By the time you get to Stig, the bad guys should be clearly known.
Good luck townies! Me root for ju!
Yanno, I HAVE been tired... and if the fates have decided that I cannot die with sword in hand, defending m'lord the King of Hordaland, than I welcome the swiftness of the hand that brought me to this beautiful place. I shall serve the Gods in any way they please, anytime they please. :bow:
Q: did any living townie actually find the last 2 pages enlightening? Entertaining, yes I grant, but useful in making a decision to kill via lynch or Holmgang? TBH I found myself skipping any post longer than a paragraph, because it was just more "you said - he said - I said" stuff. OTOH, what do I know? I'm dead. :)
Q2: When a Jotun (or mafia) murders someone in the night phase, do they personally know it? If cF killed me, for example, would the game controller let him know by PM? Or is it anonymous?
Ichigo's summary
seems accurate. Based on nothing but intuition, I say the living townies ought to lynch/challenge:
Caius Flaminius (he protests too much)
Stig (he protests too little)
AtpGood (silent guy)
Fenring (has stayed above suspicion, skillfully)
in that order. By the time you get to Stig, the bad guys should be clearly known.
Good luck townies! Me root for ju!
1.I read it, but it's really a lot of pointless stuff that doesn't add anything to the discussion.
2.The mafia(Jotun) choose who they kill every round so yes they'de know if they killed you.
KukriKhan
02-21-2007, 04:48
1.I read it, but it's really a lot of pointless stuff that doesn't add anything to the discussion.
2.The mafia(Jotun) choose who they kill every round so yes they'de know if they killed you.
Aha! So at the end, the murdered find out who killed them? Excellent!
pevergreen
02-21-2007, 05:00
I cant see why not..
ByzantineKnight
02-21-2007, 05:03
Caius vs. GH didnt seem like a Jotun vs. Jotun, it sounded like Townie vs. Townie, in every other Holmangang with powerful people they were described as scarred giants and all, there was no mention of size in this one, are we sure that they arent just townies?
ByzantineKnight
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-21-2007, 08:44
See, I told you I was innocent :yes:
Someone Vote: AtPG (pity i can't start a bandwagon, being dead)
Only one person has picked up on him not being WoGed despite lurking...
Caius has earned my trust...for now. I see a god interefering in a holmgang as within the bounds of the game, if unlikely.
Just to clear up the mystery of WoG...
Players with a no-vote 5 times in a row will be WoG'ed
JimBob and Sir Boo had that record and were removed from the game.
Fenring saved himself by placing a vote on pevergreen in round 4 and AtPG with an Abstain in round 5.
I will WoG Jotun as townie with a bad voting record.
Fenring has 3 no votes in a row as we speak and AtPG have 2.
I am not at all pleased with people not voting.
The reason for 5 in a row is because I promissed Jimbob to get a chance to play as he PM'ed me saying he was sorry for being a little busy. He gave me a date he would be back. Alas, the date arrived and no Jimbob. At that time he had 5 no-votes in a row and I decided to remove him from the game. I can't treat the other players differently so I am stuck at 5 no-votes in a row.
This will be the rule in this game
Sigurd
Okay
I'd ask for it to be changed to 5 in total for the next/this vote (so if someone currently has 5 no votes and doesn't vote this round they're out) but i understand that it could be a bit annoying this late in the game.
Still, there's no excuse, regardless of role
Okay
I'd ask for it to be changed to 5 in total for the next/this vote (so if someone currently has 5 no votes and doesn't vote this round they're out) but i understand that it could be a bit annoying this late in the game.
Still, there's no excuse, regardless of role
Fair enough...
The people in danger of getting WoG'ed are:
Fenring : 6 no votes total
AtPG : 5 no votes total
Prole : 4 no votes total
Accusations against atpg withdrawn - a bird has whispered to me that he might be a champion.
Getting confirmation on that asap
In the mean time, i'd lynch caius. He's got us distracted and that's not a good thing.
EDIT:
@Sigurd - :bow:
I don't think i've heard anything from Prole all game :inquisitive:
That deserves investigation!
Would not be entirely fair, since you will have to make it 6 otherwise Fenring gets an advantage over AtPG and Prole.
edit: Prole is innocent, she was attacked
Accusations against caius withdrawn
In the mean time, i'd lynch caius
:inquisitive:
:embarassed:
I've got to stop rushing my posts :laugh4:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-21-2007, 13:55
In the list I have compiled, a list I would rate at 85% probability of correctnes, Caius is the only one "unaccounted for." His holmgang prowess did OT come across as equivalent to his claimed role.
So, to the rest of you lot who need to vote to finish the game, vote for Caius Flaminius -- swell member of the .org and Sigurd game jotun.
Proletariat
02-21-2007, 14:37
Had some nasty computer issues over the weekend... Voting: Caius until I catch up, mainly because of Seamus' direction and the defense CF has put up the last couple pages. Pretty unconvincing.
If you weren't attacked I would find your sudden appearence suspicious, but you're innocent
Q: did any living townie actually find the last 2 pages enlightening? Entertaining, yes I grant, but useful in making a decision to kill via lynch or Holmgang? TBH I found myself skipping any post longer than a paragraph, because it was just more "you said - he said - I said" stuff. OTOH, what do I know? I'm dead. :)
Haha, I usually don't read such discussions myself, this time I made one and was well aware of it.
My aim was probably to show Reenk what a liar he is, but then again, he should know that himself.
Me root for ju!
That's very appreciated.:2thumbsup:
See, I told you I was innocent :yes:
That may be the reason we didn't lynch you later on.
Alexander the Pretty Good
02-21-2007, 18:03
:book:
Vote: Abstain
Though I might change that to Caius. Seamus seems to know what he's doing. :book:
Sorry for not voting much, Sigurd.
Reenk Roink
02-21-2007, 19:44
Haha, I usually don't read such discussions myself, this time I made one and was well aware of it.
My aim was probably to show Reenk what a liar he is, but then again, he should know that himself.
You failed in you aim. You basically copped out and said "I don't want to continue this anymore". Well, neither did I, but I can't stand it when people slander me, Loki, God of Chaos and overseer of the town, killer of Jotun. I will defend myself like I have before. Again, you call me liar (and you say I throw insults... :rolleyes:) but without any argument. Sorry, Husar, not going to cut it...
Siggy-F, are people allowed to privately reveal by PM. If so, I strongly suggest that any pro-town role reveal to Seamus Fermanagh, who is Heimdall and pro-town (though inept in every way besides Holmgang battles). We have 8 and soon to be 7.
Now, the Jotun have been able to kill two townies for the first time in a while. That is worrying.
SigmeisFafster: can you tell us what exactly is the kill methodology for Jotun?
Seamus Fermanagh
02-21-2007, 21:03
Siggy-F, are people allowed to privately reveal by PM. If so, I strongly suggest that any pro-town role reveal to Seamus Fermanagh, who is Heimdall and pro-town (though inept in every way besides Holmgang battles). We have 8 and soon to be 7.
I'm cut to the quick! :shame: Siggy, can I kill him again, please, anytime prior to Ragnorak? :laugh4:
Reenk:
BTDT. Caius should complete things. If not, then it's still 4-1 and even more obvious at the finish. No worries mate, your townie win is achieved.
Don Corleone
02-21-2007, 21:17
I too apologize. Work had a catastrophe occur, and if it makes anybody feel any better, my entire 3-day weekend was spent working 16 hour days to get a customer up and running over in Munich. I'm home now. It would appear Seamus,the God (are we ever going to hear the end of that), has led us to our next Jotun.
Vote: Caius Flaminius
I confess
You are going to lose
Seamus Fermanagh
02-21-2007, 21:31
Absolutely. All of our evidence gathering has led us astray. All of the cross-checking has been foiled and obfuscated. Research partners who have been attacked by the jotun are purposefully reporting bad information to aid the Jotun and they've decided to pick on you.
Of the remaining un-attacked: Alex, Fenring, Stig, and Caius
3 have been vouched for and that vouchsafe cross-checked.
Caius: "it's not personal, it's just business."
Dutch_guy
02-21-2007, 21:34
Let's assume that CF was telling the truth considering his Holmgang score, which is 2. We should then think if a Jotun has such a score, seems a bit unlikely you know. With them being Giants and all.
:balloon2:
Let's assume that CF was telling the truth considering his Holmgang score, which is 2. We should then think if a Jotun has such a score, seems a bit unlikely you know. With them being Giants and all.
:balloon2:
And now its too late-Phil Collins
The people of the three kingdoms were frantic. Two new murders last night. The Jotun was not yet caught. They brought forth a man in shackles.
“A nearly unanimous decision” the old man said reading the tally. “This time you are certain?” people looked nervously at each other and nodded.
“Well then, I shall need the assistance of Heimdall yet again”.
Heimdall looked the old man in the eyes and responded: “You speak of need, old man. I am reluctant to aid you in this, but I have been commanded to do so by someone with authority.” Heimdall glanced over his shoulder but put his gaze quickly back at the old man. The old man continued, “Place your suspect at the pole.
Two men complied and Caius Flaminius was shackled to the pole. He was not happy about this and strained the shackles. “You will regret this” he said. “I curse you all for this. Let the Fenris wolf eat your progeny.”
The old man looked at Heimdall: “Do it now”. Heimdall was not asked twice. He hurled the spear and within moments CF ceased to exist.
The people watching were still a bit nervous. Was this the last Jotun? Would they finally be untroubled this night?
The old man locked eyes with one in the retinue and smiled slightly. The man who hid his face in a cape made a slight gesture and the old man nodded.
Ravens could be heard not far from there.
No Votes: 1 (Fenring)
Abstains: 1 (AtPG)
Caius Flaminus: 5 (DonC, Husar, Prole, Seamus, Stig)
Stig: 1 (CF)
Tally:
Murdered (10):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Redleg
Sasaki
Crazed Rabbit
Pevergreen
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
KukriKhan
Killed in Holmgang (7):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Reenk Roink (Seamus)
Kagemusha (Omanes)
CountArach (Stig)
Sapi (Andres)
GeneralHankerchief (Caius Flaminius)
Executed (6):
Discovery1
Ichigo
Warluster
Lord Motep of Kendermore
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
WoG (3)
JimBob
Sir Boo
Fenring
Still Alive (6):
Alexander the Pretty Good
Don Corleone
Husar
Proletariat
Seamus Fermanagh
Stig
**Challenges and PMs people**
You have lost.Challenge the two remaining Jotuns.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-21-2007, 22:38
so the jotun can attack one another? I thought it wasn't allowed. Well, don corleone is guilty then.
to add: stig was shown equal to countArach in holmgang which shows he was a champion, and he vouches for atpg. husar, prole, and seamus are all verified by other means.
Obvious anyway from the way andres pursued don.
The people watching were still a bit nervous. Was this the last Jotun? Would they finally be untroubled this night?
[FONT=Verdana]The old man locked eyes with one in the retinue and smiled slightly. The man who hid his face in a cape made a slight gesture and the old man nodded.
Ravens could be heard not far from there.
An interesting part, cannot remember anything like that after the last lynches.
It also mentions the night, this wouldn't be the first game where it's not over until the next night after the final lynching.
edit: to make it more clear, I'm expecting the end of this game at the end of this night, if not, I don't really know.
to make it more clear, I'm expecting the end of this game at the end of this night, if not, I don't really know.
Maybe there is still a chance for the town to win this by challenging the right person... :inquisitive:
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