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So that's why you delayed the end?:inquisitive:
I think you're right Husar ... again
Seamus Fermanagh
02-22-2007, 00:04
Assuming that things are NOT complete :rolleyes3:
I will conduct the holmgang challenge personally. Let's not water it down -- basically same as last time.
Sasaki:
Why Don C?
Kagemusha
02-22-2007, 00:10
Id bet my money on Alexander the pretty Good, that he is a Jotun.After reading the thread through.:whip:
Sasaki:
Why Don C?
Well according to Sasaki:
Alexander the Pretty Good - vouched for by Stig = innocent.
Don Corleone - attacked, but the Jotun can attack eachother (somehow) = maybe quilty.
Husar - wasn't he attacked as well? If so same as Don and Prole, if not I will have to read 50 pages again.
Proletariat - Somehow Sasaki says she's innocent even tho she was attacked = innocent.
Seamus Fermanagh - God, clearly innocent.
Stig - same Holmgang as CountArach, who was a champion (says Sasaki) = innocent.
Assuming that things are NOT complete :rolleyes3:
I will conduct the holmgang challenge personally. Let's not water it down -- basically same as last time.
Sasaki:
Why Don C?
There is a certain chance that DonC is a war veteran who is a serial killer and has no affiliation to the Jotun, which would explain why they could attack him.
If a majority thinks this is true, I'd volunteer for the Holmgang.
Well it all sounds a bit wierd to me, but why is it not you or Prole? (note: I might have missed some pages while being busy)
One thing tho, having Seamus challenging him is more safe imo
Well according to Sasaki:
Alexander the Pretty Good - vouched for by Stig = innocent.
...
Stig - same Holmgang as CountArach, who was a champion (says Sasaki) = innocent.
:inquisitive:
But hey, don't pay attention to me. Apparently I am just a shizophrenic who thinks he is a townie and I am the only one who still believes he really is one.
:wall:
Crazed Rabbit
02-22-2007, 00:21
Remember how Don C used to always be paranoid about the mafia attacking themselves and throwing off the hunt in other games?
Yet, no mention of that from him this game. A bit odd.
If you have no other suspects, I reccomend Seamus challenges Don C, unless Don has a very convincing reason not to.
CR
Hey that's what Sasaki says, it's not my logic ... my logic is even less understandable.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-22-2007, 00:26
When someone receives protection, they are notified that night. So, the jotun would have known that don had protection and knew they wouldn't be able to kill him, which would be why sigurd allowed it. Also, Andres went after Don C a lot, which makes him more likely to be guilty. If Don C has been a confirmed innocent all this time, why hasn't the mafia tried to kill him again?
Sapi got killed by andres, his holmgang makes it clear he was not jotun. He says countArach was his champion. CountArach had equal holmgang to stig, so stig is also champion. Stig says Atpg is his king.
Husar, Prole, and Seamus have all been confirmed.
Seamus can take out don c.
When someone receives protection, they are notified that night. So, the jotun would have known that don had protection and knew they wouldn't be able to kill him, which would be why sigurd allowed it. Also, Andres went after Don C a lot, which makes him more likely to be guilty. If Don C has been a confirmed innocent all this time, why hasn't the mafia tried to kill him again?
Sapi got killed by andres, his holmgang makes it clear he was not jotun. He says countArach was his champion. CountArach had equal holmgang to stig, so stig is also champion. Stig says Atpg is his king.
Husar, Prole, and Seamus have all been confirmed.
Seamus can take out don c.
Was the Holmgang ability of a Champion revealed in the thread before Stig revealed his? If so, I wouldn't trust Stig. If not, I think Don Corleone would be a good choice.
Why do you think Proletariat is innocent? After all, being attacked apparently isn't = innocent. And I don't see an explanation or a piece of evidence elsewhere in the thread that proves her innocence. The only other explanation for her innocence that I can recall came from you Sasaki, through pm. You only said something like 'I pm'd here at the beginning of the game and she sounds innocent'.
I don't think the town can afford anymore mistakes now...
Maybe you should all wait until all living players have been able to post an explanation. I suggest you wait with the challenge until shortly before the end of this night phase.
Just me hoping for a town victory...
Off course you can also decide to keep believing that I am guilty and thus to ignore me completely ~:angry:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-22-2007, 00:37
Which means it was Reenk-Andres-Don C all along. Makes more sense than caius and gh who is mafia too much for people to trust.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-22-2007, 00:38
Off course you can also decide to keep believing that I am guilty and thus to ignore me completely ~:angry:
OK :bounce:
I don't believe the champions pm was revealed. And stig is proven anyways.
Prole is innocent <--Fact
When someone receives protection, they are notified that night. So, the jotun would have known that don had protection and knew they wouldn't be able to kill him, which would be why sigurd allowed it. Also, Andres went after Don C a lot, which makes him more likely to be guilty. If Don C has been a confirmed innocent all this time, why hasn't the mafia tried to kill him again?
Sapi got killed by andres, his holmgang makes it clear he was not jotun. He says countArach was his champion. CountArach had equal holmgang to stig, so stig is also champion. Stig says Atpg is his king.
Husar, Prole, and Seamus have all been confirmed.
Seamus can take out don c.
Yes, makes sense as well, doesn't really matter whether DonC is a Jotun or serial killer, if we don't kill him in Holmgang, we are taking an unnecessary risk, now should I fight him or should Seamus do it?
Reenk Roink
02-22-2007, 00:41
Which means it was Reenk-Andres-Don C all along. Makes more sense than caius and gh who is mafia too much for people to trust.
You're real perceptive, you know... :rolleyes:
I am Loki and Jotun both. Of course, how could we all miss that? :idea:
All bow before Sasaki Kojiro's incredible opinion: it doesn't need rationality or evidence at all! :balloon:
Yes, makes sense as well, doesn't really matter whether DonC is a Jotun or serial killer, if we don't kill him in Holmgang, we are taking an unnecessary risk, now should I fight him or should Seamus do it?
Seamus=7or8
Husar=Unknown
I think it's obvious who should Holmgang.
Kagemusha
02-22-2007, 00:44
I talked a lot with DonC in the start of the game and i believe that he is innocent.Ofcourse there is always the good possiblity that he fooled me well,but i would go after Stig&Alexander Pretty Good duo rather then DonC.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-22-2007, 00:45
You're real perceptive, you know... :rolleyes:
I am Loki and Jotun both. Of course, how could we all miss that? :idea:
All bow before Sasaki Kojiro's incredible opinion: it doesn't need rationality or evidence at all! :balloon:
How did seamus at 7 beat you at 9 if Sapi at 6 was crushed by andres at 8?
Or perhaps you could say how the writeup indicates one jotun remaining, who then was the other? GH and caius were equal, orb lost to motep. And how did it happen that you decided to go after Ichigo the very round the jotun put something in the runes accusing him?
@Husar: You and Seamus are both at 8 correct? Shouldn't matter then.
You're real perceptive, you know... :rolleyes:
I am Loki and Jotun both. Of course, how could we all miss that? :idea:
All bow before Sasaki Kojiro's incredible opinion: it doesn't need rationality or evidence at all! :balloon:
No, one likes a liar. ~;)
Reenk Roink
02-22-2007, 00:48
No, one likes a liar. ~;)
Yup, it's probably why you got lynched Jotun... :smiley:
Of course, Loki was just a cover for my Jotun self Sasaki Kojiro. Wait, does that not imply that Seamus Fermanagh was not Heimdall if I was not Loki? No, no, no, we must not allow rational clarity to enter the fray...
crushed by andres at 8?
Now I want to see conclusive evidence of my Holmgang stat being 8, mister Sasaki :inquisitive:
Seamus had 7 for Aesir and 1 for killing Reenk, 9 total if he was protected last night.
I have 8 plus one from protection last night, so I have 9 Holmgang.
And I wanted to get one fight anyway.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-22-2007, 00:51
Now I want to see conclusive evidence of my Holmgang stat being 8, mister Sasaki :inquisitive:
Reenk says his was 9 and the highest. I would assume 7 for jotun, but I'm giving reenk benefit of the doubt.
Now I want to see conclusive evidence of my Holmgang stat being 8, mister Sasaki :inquisitive:
My guess is Jotun Holmgang was a decent 6.
One above the lords and one below the Aesir.
that means lords still have a chance to win the fight and are twice as many in number than the Jotun, that actually makes Holmgang quite a dangerous tactic for Jotun, but the 6 is also a good defense so that the town cannot easily Holmgang all the Jotun by accident, sounds balanced to me.
edit: Actually, mine was/is 8 and the highest and that is also why I know Reenk lied about his Holmgang stat.
Reenk says his was 9 and the highest. I would assume 7 for jotun, but I'm giving reenk benefit of the doubt.
Ok, that's very conclusive evidence. I am convinced now. Thanks for telling me, I didn't know that. I always thought I was a townie with a Holmgang score of 2 and who got protected by the Gods (to whom I had to pray too in case of a Holmgang, following my townie pm). My wrong. Thanks.
:wall:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-22-2007, 00:56
Ok, that's very conclusive evidence. I am convinced now. Thanks for telling me, I didn't know that. I always thought I was a townie with a Holmgang score of 2 and who got protected by the Gods (to whom I had to pray too in case of a Holmgang, following my townie pm). My wrong. Thanks.
:wall:
Protection only gives you +1.
Protection only gives you +1.
A spamming moderator :no:
:grin:
Don Corleone
02-22-2007, 05:14
Edit: Nevermind.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-22-2007, 05:28
He did confirm that. Well this makes no sense at all then.
The people watching were still a bit nervous. Was this the last Jotun? Would they finally be untroubled this night?
The old man locked eyes with one in the retinue and smiled slightly. The man who hid his face in a cape made a slight gesture and the old man nodded.
Ravens could be heard not far from there.
haha, I guess the game doesn't end till morning? And andres-gh-caius really were the jotun? Sigurd, wackiness!
Oh well. This was amusing anyway
Seamus Fermanagh
02-22-2007, 06:23
Fact:
Jotuns may not attack/kill one another.
The Players:
Alexander the Pretty Good -- acclaimed King by Stig in PM to me; Odin raven research indicates some leadership role...but also followership.
Don Corleone -- claims veteran status (Survived Jotun Attack)
Husar -- Odin (Survived Jotun Attack)
Proletariat -- Udun (Survived Jotun Attack)
Seamus Fermanagh -- Hemidall (Survived Two Jotun Attacks)
Stig -- claimed to be AtPG's champion
Possibilities:
1. The game is already over, with a townie win, Jotuns being: CF, and 2 of the following: AtC, GH, JimBob.
2. Stig's PM was a fake, he's a jotun who purloined his PM from Warluster. 2 of the 4 above round out the Jotun.
2a. As 2 above, but PM created whole cloth and named Alex out of sheer luck (just using him as he was off th boards).
3. Don C is the last nobility, laying low for his health. In this scenario, both Stig and Alex are jotun, having fooled me with a well-placed PM.
4. Don C and AtPG are both nobility, and Stig is jotun.
5. This one requires us to streeetch belief and assume additional evil god in game-mix. This hidden evil god is working for the Jotun -- but who CAN be targeted by them as they are unknown to the bad guys. Thus we have two "goodies" and two "baddies" among the Gods. So....
5a. Don C is the hidden evil god, having fooled everyong and lurked shamelessly.
5b. Husar isn't Odin, but a bad guy. This would support the meaning of the Jotun's words in my first murder attempt survival -- (Loki's message?).
Off to bed.
haha, I guess the game doesn't end till morning? And andres-gh-caius really were the jotun? Sigurd, wackiness!
That's what I said before. Or wanted to say at least.
Husar, I'm a veteran. My Holmgang is 3. Even if I get protected, it will be 4. You're going to mop the floor with me. Why did you challenge me? Just to be a jerk? Or does Sasaki own you like a puppy now?
What are you talking about?
Where did I challenge you?~;)
Actually, it was Sigurd who got me to the idea of killing you simply because he started talking about a serial killer yesterday when I wanted to know why the game wasn't over yet. Then there was of course the promising prospect of pure pwnage to be delivered in a nice fight that may or may not save the town.
Well, as it looks now, I never ever challenged you.~:rolleyes:
The only fear left now is that you own me like a puppy and to be precise, Sasaki got part of his info from me, don't try to make it look like I can't think for myself(actually, this makes you quite suspicious and manipulaticve again, I may actually challenge you later).
I set myself some clear objectives for this gameand the survival of all townies was actually not one of them, challenging you would be the secure way to make sure you are not some kind of insane war veteran who went nuts and became a serial killer. Because if you are, the game may be over next round. The only thing that stops me from challenging you is the end of what Sigurd wrote, where the old man smiles at someone with a cape(yes, one of them is supposed to be me) in addition to what Sasaki highlighted.
Apart from that, it's never personal but if you turn out to be a serial killer afterwards, I will personally hurt myself...somehow.:wall:
Proletariat -- Udun (Survived Jotun Attack)
It's Idun.~:rolleyes:
5b. Husar isn't Odin, but a bad guy. This would support the meaning of the Jotun's words in my first murder attempt survival -- (Loki's message?).
That's a scenario I thought about myself, but somehow it wouldn't really explain the role PM I got, I would have made up all the info I provided, faked Sigurd's mistakes and generally be a much better imposter than I really am. Additionally, I would have played the dark side with even more enthusiasm than I have as a good guy and that is very much against my nature but you cannot know that of course.
It would also mean that Loki never lied and I somehow magically found out who is a lord and who not and then created faked investigation PMs to send to my allies.:sweatdrop:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-22-2007, 14:13
It's Idun.~:rolleyes:
That's a scenario I thought about myself, but somehow it wouldn't really explain the role PM I got, I would have made up all the info I provided, faked Sigurd's mistakes and generally be a much better imposter than I really am. Additionally, I would have played the dark side with even more enthusiasm than I have as a good guy and that is very much against my nature but you cannot know that of course.
It would also mean that Loki never lied and I somehow magically found out who is a lord and who not and then created faked investigation PMs to send to my allies.:sweatdrop:
...busting on me for my weak spelling...in NORSE! I may have to holmgang you.:laugh4:
Hey, pal, there's a reason it' down at 5B. :yes: Heck, the only way it spins out for me is if you are the enemy of all -- serail killer style -- and having finished with the Jotun are now going after the rest. Possible yes, probable no.
Don Corleone
02-22-2007, 16:40
Wow, sleep depravation and fasting for Lent does crazy things to you, beyond just making you cranky as all hell. I could have sworn Sasaki goaded Husar into challenging me to Holmgang. I must have imagined the entire thing.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-22-2007, 16:42
Wow, sleep depravation and fasting for Lent does crazy things to you, beyond just making you cranky as all hell. I could have sworn Sasaki goaded Husar into challenging me to Holmgang. I must have imagined the entire thing.
I do love being depicted as the evil and manipulative mastermind :bounce:
Wow, sleep depravation and fasting for Lent does crazy things to you, beyond just making you cranky as all hell. I could have sworn Sasaki goaded Husar into challenging me to Holmgang. I must have imagined the entire thing.
Well, if I were more of a roleplayer, I would have challenged you now for insulting my intelligence in your previous post.
And like I said before, if anyone did that, it was Sigurd!
You know, things like this:
Husar it's either over or we're screwed
Sigurd maybe there is a serial killer
Sigurd maybe not
combined with this:
Munin who watched Tom Hagen had nothing much to tell except the man sitting awake in front of his tent all night cradling his sword.
can make you quite suspicious especially after I consulted a dictionary to find out what cradling means...:stupido2:
I thought I saw a challenge on page 51... hmm
I didn't make a note of it and there are some edited posts on that page.
Oh well ... No challenges so far. :beam:
Husar challenged Don afaik ... guess he withdrew it
Challenge:Sigurd
Let's go Sigurd.
Reenk Roink
02-22-2007, 23:19
That's a scenario I thought about myself, but somehow it wouldn't really explain the role PM I got, I would have made up all the info I provided, faked Sigurd's mistakes and generally be a much better imposter than I really am. Additionally, I would have played the dark side with even more enthusiasm than I have as a good guy and that is very much against my nature but you cannot know that of course.
It would also mean that Loki never lied and I somehow magically found out who is a lord and who not and then created faked investigation PMs to send to my allies.:sweatdrop:
Interesting that you call out this conspiracy theory, but throw your own against me... Hypocrisy at it's finest. :rolleyes:
Right now, I'm bracing for the next round. Ironically, I hope Sasaki Kojiro is right. AndersTheCunning is kinda suspicious, he sent me this PM just yesterday after I asked all pro-towners to reveal to Seamus Fermanagh:
I read your call to the townies to send their role pm's to Seamus. That's what I did... See what I gained : a lynching :no:
Damn Sasaki with stupid theory about Jotun having townie pm's. Whether he is somehow pro-mafia or he is making one of his biggest mistakes in a mafia game ever.
And nobody seems intrested in my theory about Gods able to act like a doctor during Holmgang, granting a weak combatant extra powers (see the Berserk mode) so that he can win from a strong warrior... It would be far more logical than Sasaki's theory, but no, "Andres didn't go to Valhalla, so he must be Jotun"... blablabla
:wall:
This game is frustrating me ~:angry:
Now, the thing that is suspicious is the fact that he PM's me. He does make very valid points on Sasaki Kojiro, and the general foolishness of putting to much weight on the stories, but still AndersTheCunning, why me?
If the Caius Flaminius/AndersTheCunning theory is correct, the we have won the game due to Ichigo going earlier in the game (I've not won one game yet you know...).
However, I'm just not so sure about that... :worried:
I pm'ed you since nobody pays attention to me. Everybody seems convinced that I am guilty, which is not the case.
I just thought you were feeling the same frustration as I am. So I didn't bother anymore to post in the thread.
I needed your shoulder to cry on, oh mighty Loki ~:mecry:
Kagemusha
02-22-2007, 23:27
Seamus.I suggest you ask Stig for a little dance with swords involved so you can get rid of that jotun.
Reenk Roink
02-22-2007, 23:28
I pm'ed you since nobody pays attention to me. Everybody seems convinced that I am guilty, which is not the case.
I just thought you were feeling the same frustration as I am. So I didn't bother anymore to post in the thread.
I needed your shoulder to cry on, oh mighty Loki ~:mecry:
I don't think you're guilty, I just think you were suspicious to PM me.
Well, if what you say is true, you will be redeemed to your doubters in the end, like myself.
I just want to win a game. I have never been alive for a victory in the many Mafia games I have played. In this game, I don't need to be alive to win, but the town still has to win...
Challenge:Sigurd
Let's go Sigurd.
Ichigo was looking for trouble and scowled at the people he met. The people were afraid of Ichigo as he behaved like a crazed man.
Sigurd did not notice the mood of this fierce warrior on his way to pick a fight and bumped into him. “EXCUSE ME!!! Brother, I think an apology is in order; an apology worth 100 Gold crowns.”
Sigurd looked up and shook his head. “You must be insane or something. Go away before I hurt you.”
Ichigo smiled his sly smile. “Hurt me? HAHAHAHAHA. It is you that is insane. You can barely lift a child from the ground. How will you ever be able to hurt me old man?”
“You speak bold words young one, do you dare test this?”
“If I dare? Come on old fart let’s see what you got.”
The circle was drawn and the combatants got ready.
“Since you started this Ichi, I am going to choose weapons. Battle Axe it is.”
Ichigo took his axe and weighed it. “Good choice old man, prepare to die”.
Ichigo transformed into a hideous Jotun, He loomed over Sigurd laughing. “You will hurt me? That will be the day. Prepare to meet your mistress Hel.”
The old man dodged the first blow. “Quite fast old man, let’s see what happens when I turn the speed up a few notches.”
Ichigo moved like faster than any human and delivered slashes and blows that could cut a rock in twain.” The old man smiled: ”I see a worthy foe in you Jotun, you are not by chance Trym the strong?”
Ichigo stopped. “That is my name, who are you?”
The old man transformed and a large man with red hair and beard appeared. He cast the axe to the ground and from his belt unfastened a large battle hammer.
“Thor!!” exclaimed Ichigo.
“Let’s see what you can do Jotun.”
The large Jotun unleashed all his powers in his next moves and it was so fast that anyone watching saw nothing but a blur.
There was a loud bang, loud enough to make all around hear nothing but ringing for a long time.
On the ground lay Ichigo with a huge lump on his forehead.
Over him loomed Thor smiling. “Sleep well Trym, you’ll get a giant headache tomorrow.”
Thor laughed hard at his own humor….
I don't think you're guilty, I just think you were suspicious to PM me.
Well, if what you say is true, you will be redeemed to your doubters in the end, like myself.
I just want to win a game. I have never been alive for a victory in the many Mafia games I have played. In this game, I don't need to be alive to win, but the town still has to win...
:laugh4:
Seamus.I suggest you ask Stig for a little dance with swords involved so you can get rid of that jotun.
I'm not going to challenge him myself, my 5 is no match for his 8 ... tho with a bit of luck, my winning change is 38%
btw shouldn't the night be over yet?
Reenk Roink
02-22-2007, 23:43
Ichigo was looking for trouble and scowled at the people he met. The people were afraid of Ichigo as he behaved like a crazed man.
Sigurd did not notice the mood of this fierce warrior on his way to pick a fight and bumped into him. “EXCUSE ME!!! Brother, I think an apology is in order; an apology worth 100 Gold crowns.”
Sigurd looked up and shook his head. “You must be insane or something. Go away before I hurt you.”
Ichigo smiled his sly smile. “Hurt me? HAHAHAHAHA. It is you that is insane. You can barely lift a child from the ground. How will you ever be able to hurt me old man?”
“You speak bold words young one, do you dare test this?”
“If I dare? Come on old fart let’s see what you got.”
The circle was drawn and the combatants got ready.
“Since you started this Ichi, I am going to choose weapons. Battle Axe it is.”
Ichigo took his axe and weighed it. “Good choice old man, prepare to die”.
Ichigo transformed into a hideous Jotun, He loomed over Sigurd laughing. “You will hurt me? That will be the day. Prepare to meet your mistress Hel.”
The old man dodged the first blow. “Quite fast old man, let’s see what happens when I turn the speed up a few notches.”
Ichigo moved like faster than any human and delivered slashes and blows that could cut a rock in twain.” The old man smiled: ”I see a worthy foe in you Jotun, you are not by chance Trym the strong?”
Ichigo stopped. “That is my name, who are you?”
The old man transformed and a large man with red hair and beard appeared. He cast the axe to the ground and from his belt unfastened a large battle hammer.
“Thor!!” exclaimed Ichigo.
“Let’s see what you can do Jotun.”
The large Jotun unleashed all his powers in his next moves and it was so fast that anyone watching saw nothing but a blur.
There was a loud bang, loud enough to make all around hear nothing but ringing for a long time.
On the ground lay Ichigo with a huge lump on his forehead.
Over him loomed Thor smiling. “Sleep well Trym, you’ll get a giant headache tomorrow.”
Thor laughed hard at his own humor….
Beautiful, my brother Thor, I laugh with you... :laugh4:
Of course, some people aren't going to put value on this story at all, contradicting their criterion... :rolleyes:
Also, I just wanted to clarify, I did win Mafia IV, but that was a somewhat a Black Hand (the first one) type game due to Kommodus's PM watching, so it doesn't really count.
I did win Interficio quod Scrupulosa though, and that was a very underrated and influential game (I'm going to make a themed game too because of Sir Moody's brilliant innovation.
I guess I am somewhat fulfilled, but I really liked this game too, and I want to win.
Ichigo was looking for trouble and scowled at the people he met. The people were afraid of Ichigo as he behaved like a crazed man.
Sigurd did not notice the mood of this fierce warrior on his way to pick a fight and bumped into him. “EXCUSE ME!!! Brother, I think an apology is in order; an apology worth 100 Gold crowns.”
Sigurd looked up and shook his head. “You must be insane or something. Go away before I hurt you.”
Ichigo smiled his sly smile. “Hurt me? HAHAHAHAHA. It is you that is insane. You can barely lift a child from the ground. How will you ever be able to hurt me old man?”
“You speak bold words young one, do you dare test this?”
“If I dare? Come on old fart let’s see what you got.”
The circle was drawn and the combatants got ready.
“Since you started this Ichi, I am going to choose weapons. Battle Axe it is.”
Ichigo took his axe and weighed it. “Good choice old man, prepare to die”.
Ichigo transformed into a hideous Jotun, He loomed over Sigurd laughing. “You will hurt me? That will be the day. Prepare to meet your mistress Hel.”
The old man dodged the first blow. “Quite fast old man, let’s see what happens when I turn the speed up a few notches.”
Ichigo moved like faster than any human and delivered slashes and blows that could cut a rock in twain.” The old man smiled: ”I see a worthy foe in you Jotun, you are not by chance Trym the strong?”
Ichigo stopped. “That is my name, who are you?”
The old man transformed and a large man with red hair and beard appeared. He cast the axe to the ground and from his belt unfastened a large battle hammer.
“Thor!!” exclaimed Ichigo.
“Let’s see what you can do Jotun.”
The large Jotun unleashed all his powers in his next moves and it was so fast that anyone watching saw nothing but a blur.
There was a loud bang, loud enough to make all around hear nothing but ringing for a long time.
On the ground lay Ichigo with a huge lump on his forehead.
Over him loomed Thor smiling. “Sleep well Trym, you’ll get a giant headache tomorrow.”
Thor laughed hard at his own humor….
hehehehe :laugh4:
Ichigo was looking for trouble and scowled at the people he met. The people were afraid of Ichigo as he behaved like a crazed man.
Sigurd did not notice the mood of this fierce warrior on his way to pick a fight and bumped into him. “EXCUSE ME!!! Brother, I think an apology is in order; an apology worth 100 Gold crowns.”
Sigurd looked up and shook his head. “You must be insane or something. Go away before I hurt you.”
Ichigo smiled his sly smile. “Hurt me? HAHAHAHAHA. It is you that is insane. You can barely lift a child from the ground. How will you ever be able to hurt me old man?”
“You speak bold words young one, do you dare test this?”
“If I dare? Come on old fart let’s see what you got.”
The circle was drawn and the combatants got ready.
“Since you started this Ichi, I am going to choose weapons. Battle Axe it is.”
Ichigo took his axe and weighed it. “Good choice old man, prepare to die”.
Ichigo transformed into a hideous Jotun, He loomed over Sigurd laughing. “You will hurt me? That will be the day. Prepare to meet your mistress Hel.”
The old man dodged the first blow. “Quite fast old man, let’s see what happens when I turn the speed up a few notches.”
Ichigo moved like faster than any human and delivered slashes and blows that could cut a rock in twain.” The old man smiled: ”I see a worthy foe in you Jotun, you are not by chance Trym the strong?”
Ichigo stopped. “That is my name, who are you?”
The old man transformed and a large man with red hair and beard appeared. He cast the axe to the ground and from his belt unfastened a large battle hammer.
“Thor!!” exclaimed Ichigo.
“Let’s see what you can do Jotun.”
The large Jotun unleashed all his powers in his next moves and it was so fast that anyone watching saw nothing but a blur.
There was a loud bang, loud enough to make all around hear nothing but ringing for a long time.
On the ground lay Ichigo with a huge lump on his forehead.
Over him loomed Thor smiling. “Sleep well Trym, you’ll get a giant headache tomorrow.”
Thor laughed hard at his own humor….
You see! Ichigo was Jotun.
I'm not going to challenge him myself, my 5 is no match for his 8 ... tho with a bit of luck, my winning change is 38%
btw shouldn't the night be over yet?
Sigurd had enough time to write that story. I think he's just playing around I do believe the game is over.
You see! Ichigo was Jotun.
Yep, you caught the tater.
Anyway, since nobody challenged another player, the game will be over. The Jotun will kill the last King.
Why didn't nobody challenge? It was probably the town's last chance...
Anyway, since nobody challenged another player, the game will be over. The Jotun will kill the last King.
Why didn't nobody challenge? It was probably the town's last chance...
I thought you said you were going to bed? :inquisitive:
It's wrong to lie you know.
I bet he's a Jotun
Vote: Andres
~D
There you go!
If Ichigo is Jotun, then the game should finish.But you know what?Maybe Andres, me or both, cant be jotun.think it.We maybe can be townies(I say maybe because i am a townie, err, I was.But Andres can be Jotun.Or not.)
Your wall of guessing has just crushed.
Well, the night was supposed to be over three and a half hours ago. And Sigurd was not absent or anything. My thought is that the game is over and Sigurd enjoys to see us wait for a somewhat more official end to the game.
It's a bit different to the faked end showing me as Jotun that i expected first, but Sigurd is really innovative.:dizzy2:
sorry people... my comp crashed right after posting the ichigo fight...
shortly now people... in minuttes I will have it up again and be able to post the ending.
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People went to their beds that night expecting everything to be over. They were convinced that the Jotun threat was dealt with. Heimdall patrolled the area and looked pleased with himself. He too believed the Jotun threat was over. There was however one who had doubts. The old man had looked into the eyes of every condemned and had put the ward of containment on them. None had reacted like a Jotun would. Only the strongest of Jotun could hide their fear. And surely the Jotun would not send their masters to this task. He was in doubt. The presence of three Gods in their midst spoke of dire circumstances. The ways of the gods truly are inscrutable. Why had they come? Why care that two kingdoms were destroyed?... Questions only one could answer. The old man found who he was looking for. “Master I beseech you. I have but a small question.” The other man, an elderly man but not as old as the Hovgod, answered: “Speak you mind child.” The old man bowed and continued: “You walk amongst us and has brought two others. What importance lies in this?” The elderly man known only to a few as Gaute gazed at the Hovgod. “I have come to monitor the Jotun movements. They are up to something and I have come to see what it is first hand.” The old man replied: “I am but an old servant and have served thee all my life. Yet Odin always sends someone else to do his bidding. Forgive me if I sound disrespectful.” The man known to this retinue as Husar smiled. “Yes you are right. I normally do not come in person; it has been several thousand years since last time. I though I needed to fresh up on old tricks. Worry not old friend, I am but a short time amongst you. I needed to get out and used this as an excuse.”
The old man took comfort in this and returned to his resting place. Odin aka Husar walked back to where he slept. There had to be a reason for this slaughter. This was quite unlike the Jotun, to pursue the annihilation of two kingdoms. True they came now and again when they had too much mead in them and killed the odd human. But this was purposeful; an agenda behind it.
He entered the tent and stopped. There in the shadow was a presence, most likely a Jotun.
"Come forward whoever you are, I will not hide this time." From the shadow appeared a huge Jotun. He had to stoop in the tent. The Jotun rumbled: “I knew you were not who you appeared to be. I will have to send you back to Asgard old foe.” Before Odin could react the Jotun had put the confinement spell on him and he could not transform to his true form. “Who are you that know of these things?”
The shadow smiled white fangs, “I am sorry I have not introduced myself, I am Utgard Loke, King of Jotun. It was I who bested Thor in games. It was me who wrought havoc on your kingdom and it will be me who take the throne of Asgard after Ragnarok.”
Odin still in Husar’s form stepped backwards. This was the king of Jotun a formidable opponent and not someone who you could combat whilst not in your true form.
The Jotun followed and they went back outside.
“What are you doing here? Why kill all these innocents?”
“Ah old foe, this is a gift to Hel. She has my brother imprisoned and I want him released. Hopefully these people will please her.”
Odin still backed away. “But these are mostly warriors that will go to Valhalla and eat at my table. Surely you know of this?”
The Jotun continued to smile. “Yes I know, but by killing their lords and their warriors, chaos will reign in their kingdoms. Lot’s of people will die and those are not worthy of your halls. Now we have talked enough.”
The Jotun King made a conjuration “RETURNER HEIM!!“ and Husar was no more.
Odin found himself in Asgard not far from his hall. This was the Jotun King’s round. It would be best if nobody found out about this.
Heimdall was returning home from his patrol and saw the looming shadow standing on the path. Heimdall unsheathed his mighty sword and was ready to battle. The Jotun stood there smiling, the golden eyes glowing in the twilight.
“I see we missed one of you. Prepare to die, Heimdall will send you back to where you came from.”
The Jotun took from his back a battle axe. “You fought well the last time Æsir, but this time you will lose, as true as my name is Rugne, the Jotun Champion of Utgards Loke.”
Heimdall attacked the Jotun Champion and aimed for his heart. The large and strong Jotun deflected Heimdall’s sword easily.
“I am not Loki and he was never good at fighting one on one.”
The large Jotun attacked and all Heimdall could do was to try defending himself from the vicious Jotun axe. The axe was obviously magical because it cut through the blade of Heimdall’s sword like knife in butter.
All Heimdall could do was to wish himself back to Asgard and as the axe of Rugne fell with inhuman speed towards where Heimdall had been, it found only stone ground.
Heimdall was back in Asgard panting hard. To Hel with the lot, he would not lose an arm or worse for some pitiful humans. Best if he didn’t mention this to anyone.
Idun was sneaking around with her apples in a basket. She had orders from Odin to protect two of the men in the retinue each night.
This time she wanted to protect Alexander the Pretty Good.
As she entered the tent, apple in hand, she froze. In the tent two large shadows loomed. Their golden eyes glowed in the darkness.
“Welcome sweet Idun. I take it you want to give us one of those” he pointed at the apple. “Just put all of those apples down sweet Idun and return to Asgard. Your mission here is over. There are non left to save.” Two pairs of white fanged smiles appeared in the darkness.
She realised the truth of the Jotun’s words and wished herself home.
She vanished in thin air.
DonC was suddenly alone at Gulating. Where did everyone go? As he walked around looking for people, two huge forms appeared on his path. “Who are you?” he asked.
“Someone who wants you dead brave warrior. You can’t escape and tell the tale of all this. It is against our plan.” DonC was not easily scared, all though some falsely thought so. He unsheathed his sword and yelled: “I will not give in easily. I shall fight to the last breath.” He then lifted his sword and attacked the nearest Jotun. He was nearly there when the other Jotun stepped in front with a large Jotun axe and with an unthinkable speed cut DonC in half.
DonC found himself on the back of a horse with a beautiful blond in front of him. He exclaimed: “I thought you Valkyries wore nothing but a bikini made of steel?” The woman in front of him had nothing but a white cloth tied around her waste. “That was last century, brave warrior; we decided to make our warriors a little more welcome. Now hold on, our journey will be bumpy.” DonC grabbed hold on the beauty and was in heaven… twice.
JOTUN VICTORY!!
Tally:
Murdered (14):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Redleg
Sasaki
Crazed Rabbit
Pevergreen
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
KukriKhan
Husar
Seamus
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Prole
Donc
Killed in Holmgang (7):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Reenk Roink (Seamus)
Kagemusha (Omanes)
CountArach (Stig)
Sapi (Andres)
GeneralHankerchief (Caius Flaminius)
Executed (6):
Discovery1
Ichigo
Warluster
Lord Motep of Kendermore
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminus
WoG (3)
JimBob
Sir Boo
Fenring
Still Alive (2):
Alexander the Pretty Good
Stig
The roles and Holmgang ability (HA):
Alexander the Pretty Good - Jotun (Rugne) HA : 7
AndresTheCunning – townie HA: 2
ByzantineKnight – War Vet HA: 3
Caius Flaminius – townie HA: 2
CountArach - Champion (sapi) HA: 4
Crazed Rabbit - War Vet HA: 3
Destroyer of Hope - Jarl in Hordaland HA: 5
Discovery1 – War Vet HA: 3
Don Corleone – War Vet HA: 3
Dutch_guy - King of Hordaland HA : 6
GeneralHankerchief – townie HA: 2
HughTower - Champion (pevergreen) HA: 4
Husar - Odin HA: 8
Ichigo – War Vet HA: 3
JimBob – War Vet HA: 3
Kagemusha – War Vet HA: 3
Kralizec - Champion (Redleg) HA: 4
KukriKhan – War Vet HA: 3
Lord Motep of Kendermore - Champion (Duch) HA: 4
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot - King of Rogaland HA: 6
Orb – townie HA: 2
pevergreen - King of Sogn HA: 6
Proletariat - Idun HA: 7
Redleg - Jarl in Rogaland HA: 5
Reenk Roink - Loki HA: 7 (chose Jotun allegiance)
sapi - Jarl in Sogn HA: 5
Sasaki Kojiro – townie HA: 2
Seamus Fermanagh - Heimdall HA: 7
Sir Boo – Champion (Omanes) HA: 4
Sir Moody – Champion (DoH) HA: 4
Stig - Jotun (Utgards Loke) HA: 8
Warluster - Jotun (Trym) HA: 7
Write up will be written during the weekend
Thank you for participating people... It was fun (I think).
So, you guys execute me because I was Lurking? (I am guesing, I dont want to read through all the junk) My computer puked on me. I could not go on the damn thing! I got one opportunity! And it wasnt for long! You guys suck!
Ok, this strikes me as pretty odd, and you may see why now, this is directly from the file where I saved my PMs during game progress:
Role PM
Æsir
Odin: The All Father of the Norse Gods, He exchanged one of his eyes for wisdom and knowledge in magical arts. He fathered many gods; amongst them Thor, Balder and Heimdal. He also has two ravens that he sends out during the night and on the morrow they return with tales of the world.
You are a part of the Æsir team. Though all mighty you do not know who your fellows Æsir are. One of the traits of undercover gods is their ability to completely hide from each other. You will seem like an old traveler man to them.
From Hugin and Munin (your two ravens) you learn scraps of information about players. It is for your discretion to piece them together. Each night you pick two players and the ravens will watch them and return with scraps of information.
Your magical ability allows you to place runes on a rune stone that is placed in the center court yard at the ting.
One of the MAFIA roles will have the ability by magic to insert a word or two in this message.
Write out the message to the game host in normal English (in a PM) and it will magically be runeified to the stone. REMEMBER the space on the rune stone is limited. Use quality to quantity.
Holmgang ability: 7(Æsir)+1(King) = 8
Investigations
Hello Sigurd,
I would like to send me birds to Proletariat and Sasaki Kojiro.
The message on the runestone should be:
"be aware of the word of evil"
[Jotun: thank u sasaki]
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Tonight my birds should be sent to KukriKhan and Kagemusha.
And the message on the runestone shall be:
"use wisdom keep the heart of a true viking as it will make you succeed"
btw, you don't know how hard it can be to think of a good sentence for the runestone.
[Jotun: dont trust ichigo]
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Ok, my birds are supposed to have a look at Tom_Hagen and Redleg.
The message for the runestone is:
"Your offer is accepted Loki"
[Jotun: andres is guilty]
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This night I would like to have a look at Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot and Ichigo.
the runestone message for tonight is:
"look how they fight the brave the strong the gods"
[Jotun: the real loki]
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So tonight my birds shall scout Crazed Rabbit and sapi.
The runestone message is, well, can I post none for a change?
(response: yes you may)
[Jotun: fenring pm jotun]
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Hey there, I'd like to send me birds to General Hankerchief and Lord Motep of Kendermore.
There shall be no message again.
[Jotun posted nothing]
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Hello, I'd ike to have a look at AndresTheCunning and Alexander the Pretty Good.
No message again.
[Jotun: read the runes]
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Hello, I'd like to let me birds have a look at CaiusFlaminius and Stig.
No message for the runestone.
[Jotun: well done town]
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Results
On the morrow Hugin and Munin returned to you with tales of the night.
The birds were not that talkative and were easily distracted.
Hugin who watched Sasaki could only tell that nothing was out of the ordinary with this man. He knew his sword though, or was that mistakenly the word broom; hard to tell in the bird language.
Munin who watched Proletariat had been fed by the woman and was quite taken by her. He had only good things to say. One thing the bird remembered and that was the unmistakably scent of apples around her.
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As Hugin and Munin returns on the morrow you get his from them:
Hugin who watched Kukrikhan said that this man liked to sleep on the ground close to his sword. He also had some scars.
Munin who watched Kagamusha could only tell a similar story. No other impressions would the birds disperse.
Due to someone protecting you this night you get a temporary bonus point to you Holmgang stat. It will last this round only
Holmgangstat: 7 (Æsir) + 1 (King) + 1 (Protection) = 9
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You birds return and starts spilling their guts (not food).
Hugin who watched Redleg start and tells a tale of a man on a horse that delivered a message to Redleg before he went to sleep that night. Apparently it was dire news from home because Redleg swore at reading this and hastily made a reply before sending the man on the horse back to where he came from.
Munin who watched Tom Hagen had nothing much to tell except the man sitting awake in front of his tent all night cradling his sword.
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As the birds return Hugin who watched Omanes had this tale: This fellow smelled of royalty.
Munin said: This fellow Ichigo sleep on the ground with no tent and keeps his sword well honed.
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Hi...
Idun protected you this round and you get a temporarily increase in Holmgang ability (only for this round).
Æsir (7) + 1 (King) + 1 (protection) = 9
Your birds have this to tell:
Crazed Rabbit sleeps outside and has a well tended sword.
sapi sleeps in a tent and have a little nobility over him.
Sigurd
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Hi.. this is second try as the org ate the first one.
Your birds have the following tales:
GH seemed like enjoying cooking and had fed the Raven. He had calluses on his hands; from sword or broom? Hard to tell in the bird language.
Lord Motep skulked around, keeping close to another. The reason for this the bird never examined.
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You were not protected this night...
The birds return with these answers:
Andres seems like a guy liking his duties.
He is hiding something.
Alexander tPG is taking orders and giving orders.
A man with a heavy duty.
Sigurd
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The birds return with these tales:
CF seemed too tired to do anything other than rest.
Stig smelled of royalty, yet was not royal.
short after that:
You were protected last night.
this gives you a temporary extra point in the Holmgang.
Holmgang ability: 7 (Æsir) + 1 (King) + 1 (protection) = 9
Didn't bother to format the texts and bold the names again(except in the results), but the results on Andres and Motep said they had something to hide or were sneaking around(weird for simple townies, isn't it?), while the alibi of Stig and AtPG was supported(wasn't sure about Stig, but AtPG sounds like the perfect Jarl). I still don't know what to make of this.
I feel a bit tricked actually.:shame:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-23-2007, 01:35
Fake ending husar. Remember the stig-countA holmgang?
Fake ending husar. Remember the stig-countA holmgang?
Judging by Sigurd's sadistic tendencies, that is what I think, yes.
I would even think he did that only to confuse me, after our last chat.
I don't know whether I love him or hate him now, but I certainly do want to thank Prole(since I investigated her), Seamus(since he asked for people's PMs) and Sasaki(since last weekend) for helping me and replying to (most of) my PMs whatever the result may be.:2thumbsup:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-23-2007, 01:52
Actually, I was one of the Jotun. My death was by suicide, I talked sigurd into making it sound like murder. I've led you all a merry dance! ~D
Actually, I was one of the Jotun. My death was by suicide, I talked sigurd into making it sound like murder. I've led you all a merry dance! ~D
Well, I was actually the runestone and only Thor's hammer could crush me but he didn't know...:sweatdrop:
Reenk Roink
02-23-2007, 02:27
OK, confession, this time for good... :grin:
This is what I posted and then edited out:
Hehehe, you mortals got owned... :tongue3:
Several confessions:
My Holmgang was actually 7, like all Æsir. Heimdall and I had equal chances of winning.
All the Holmgang scores I spoke of were pure luck. I just got good at guessing. :grin:
Ichigo is definitely someone special though. No, he never said he was Jotun to me, and I confirm his set of PM's to be true, but I really doubt he is a War Veteran. Even Seamus Fermanagh was more skeptical of me. The fact that Ichigo knew me and my role is too much of a coincidence.
I actually could get killed by Jotun at night (Sigurd Fafnesbane never said anything about immunity). I just used that to keep to Jotun at bay while I did my thing.
Ichigo was the perfect victim. He dug his own grave. it was so easy to manipulate him and you... :grin:
Loki did his job good, no? :yes:
So, again, a very sincere apology for nagging Ichigo the way I did. He was a good sport, give him a hand. Also to Sasaki Kojiro and Husar who I was a bit terse with. Again, just the character talking. You'll all receive preferential treatment and be spared from the list for awhile (like Pannonian in Mafia VI). :grin:
Good game all! :smiley: :balloon:
Now, here is my real PM (I take it we can post screenshots now?):
Here is Sigurd Fafnesbane telling me Alexander the Pretty Good was Jotun:
Here is my PM to Alexander the Pretty Good, we were talking a bit through this:
Sorry, guys, but I did what I had to do: make it hard for you.
It was only natural that I join Jotun... :tongue2:
Good game again, loved it Siggy-F, perhaps my favorite game ever... :2thumbsup:
This was actually the only game I put a bit of effort and a lot of thought into, if Sigurd really gave me misleading results(townies hiding something etc), ah well, I better just try to forget about it.:wall:
edit: I'm addicted, can't help it. two notes:
1. I was very suspicious of Stig because he always said I was right. But all my info, well, you know(I feel like a whiner, probably because I am one)
2. Why was Warluster greeted by a blonde woman if he was Jotun? I'm sorry, but this whiner here demands a few answers about the game and the info he got from Sigurd once he wakes up today.
KukriKhan
02-23-2007, 04:43
Stunned, am I. (Pleasantly)
I never suspected the revealed Jotun. I thought I read reliable vouches for all 3 of them. The plethora of roles above and beyond:
6 Lords – this will be the Jarls and petty kings of Hordaland
3 Jotun – the Mafiosi
Pro-town roles
Townies (various roles in the retinue of the lords)
tells me I was part of some much larger role-playing factor I was not aware of, to start - making 'life' as an ignorant townie that much more "stabs in the dark".
I'll put my non-understanding of "Pro-town roles" (and the depth of those roles) to my n00bishness, and admit that it explains much of the bickering that brought us to 1500+ posts in this thread/game. Players were just playing their roles.
gg all. And thanks to Sigurd :cheers:
pevergreen
02-23-2007, 05:07
Wow...That was awsome!
Stig - Jotun (Utgards Loke) HA: 8
Wow! Thats high! :laugh4:
Dont Worry HughTower, we did our best :bow:
Alexander the Pretty Good
02-23-2007, 05:31
I'll never be trusted again. :book:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-23-2007, 05:38
Jeez you guys are gullible.
Sir Moody – Champion (DoH) HA: 4
In that Camp Sir Moody slept next to his Frankish sword. He was very proud of that sword and he had honed it that night. He barely awoke as he was hoisted into the air by a very strong hand around his throat. His brain never registered the pain as his neck broke by a quick twist of another strong hand.
AndresTheCunning – townie HA: 2
sapi - Jarl in Sogn HA: 5
Sapi made the first move and got in a hit on Andres.
This made Andres really mad and he tore his tunic off. In bare serk he continued to fight, blood streaming down his left shoulder where he had received the wound.
Somehow the wound didn’t affect him. He attacked sapi and in a vicious combination delivered several slashes and wounds to sapi. Sapi could only put up a meagre defence against this raving Berserkr. Sapi was tiring but Andres was not, he continued to attack and with a wild combination of slashes, cuts and stabs he finally reached the heart of sapi who went down face first in the dirt.
Don't feel like quoting the "stig equally matched with CountA" description.
Warluster
02-23-2007, 07:15
Yeah! We got you guys good!
For the first few nights we did random kills, then we made sure we killed those we were certian were jarls, knocking off Redleg, pevergreen and sapi, it was great! Awesome game Sigurd, great fun! We won! We won!
CountArach
02-23-2007, 07:42
Thanks for running this Sigurd Fafnesbane!
Good fun.
Here's my PM, I was the Loki that could insert messages on the Rune stones, tho I doubt if it worked:
Jotun
Utgards-Loki: The Jotun King, a trickster and magician (hence the Loki call-name).
He once tricked Loki and Thor whilst holding a feast at his castle. He sat up games where Loki got beat in an eating competition and Thor got beat in a strong man’s test and a drinking competition. The opponents of Thor and Loki later turned out to be forces of nature. Loki competed with fire in the eating contest. Thor tried to drink the ocean in the drinking contest and tried to hold back age in the strong man’s test.
You are a part of the Jotun team which is the MAFIA in this game. Your winning condition is to kill all the Midgard Lords gathered at Gulating. In addition there might be a Norse God amongst them: this God must be dead for you to win the game. You do have the power to kill this God You do have the power to kill this God but you will have to do t
wo attempts.
Your partners are Alexander the Pretty Good and Warluster consult with them in your strategies towards winning this game.
One of you should PM me with your kill description before the deadline every night.
I will post the deadline after every lynching.
As long as you are two or three you will be able to attempt murdering 2 players. Once or if your numbers drop to 1 you will only be able to kill one player.
In your Pm to me you will have to name the Jotun players that will do the killings that night. If you believe you are attempting to kill a God you could write the killing as if it were one kill and name two Jotun doing the killing. You have the option of not submitting a kill or attempting only one kill with one Jotun; all a choice of strategy.
As a magician you can counter the ability of one of the pro-town roles. This pro-town role writes a message on a rune stone. Your ability is to obfuscate this message by inserting 3 words to this message. PM me with the words and where to place them (you do not know the content of this message and you should pick the insertion point based on luck e.g. 1st word: Guilty, insert after word number 4) if there are fewer words in the message than what you indicate it will be inserted at the end.
Holmgang ability: 7(Jotun)+1(King) = 8
Don't feel like quoting the "stig equally matched with CountA" description.
Well maybe that about the God making you go berserk is right, hench why Andres beated Sapi, besides Andres had a 29% change of winning. Arach had a 27% change of winning against me, that's about 50% change on a even fight.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-23-2007, 09:05
Great game! Thanks Siguard for hosting!
I told you I was innocent :no:
Great game Sigurd. I had alot of fun. And congratulations to the Jotun :bow:
My short summary, Jotun point of view:
Night 1:
We started with 2 simple and random kills, we could target anyone, as we were the only bad guys. So I picked two random names (eena meena mina moo) from the list and we killed them. Next to that I send in the words: "Thank you Sasaki" to be placed at the end (positions 1001, 1002, 1003) of the message on the Runes, in the hope to make Sasaki suspicious.
Day 1:
Well things seemed good for us. The town started discussing about broadswords and all other things, even tho we simply killed 2 random persons.
Night 2:
Night 2 featured two random kills again. I simply got two from the list again and Warluster and Alex agreed. Next to that I send in the words: "Don't trust Ichigo", hoping I could make Ichigo suspicious. By now I knew that it would to hard to simply disrupt messages so I decided that from now on I would simply add things to the front or back.
Day 2:
Day 2 showed us normal discussion, apart from no-one knowing who to go for. But then of the Jotun, only I was active. Lurking does pay off. Next to that there was no lynch, showing me that the town really had no clue who to go for.
Night 3:
This night I wanted to frame Motep. Killing both Orb and BK, who both voted for him. I really could see Motep, as a mafia, doing this, also seeing as he kept posting about Orb going after him and such. Unluckely it failed since Motep was also in the Holmgang, which meant that it would be hard to drop the hint as why would Motep both Holmgang and kill, killing would be enough.
Next to that I inserted the words: "Andres is quilty" to keep the town busy, obviously no townie seemed the read the Runes.
Day 4:
This night featured the reveal of Reenk the invincible God, his job to cause chaos, and then join town or Jotun (well I've never been in contact with him). He wasn't irritating imo, but it would be strange not to vote for him, as almost everyone believed he was quilty, so I decided to go first in voting for him, no Jotun would vote for another Jotun this early imo. Then suddenly Seamus came on and he wanted to Holmgang Reenk, well no problem imo, it only worked for us, as it meaned that we would lose atleast one of them. The town suddenly started voting for Disco, dunno where they got that from.
Night 5:
This night featured all sorts of people not listening and going on and challenging, but then Seamus Vs Reenk would go first anyway. While doing this we decided to make Seamus mortal and to kill Redleg, for being a lord (this were Warlusters ideas, I wasn't convinced Redleg was a lord ... why would he make it public?). Next to that I inserted the following words: "The real Loki", in the hope to frame the one who was really inserting the Rune messages.
Day 5:
Day5 featured some "good" town work again, Sasaki especially was jumping from vote to vote, as clearly no-one had a clue who was the real Jotun, but abstaining would make you look like one, as we were too far ingame. Then Ichigo, somehow decided to commit suicide, strange, why use a vote for that, do that afterwards.
Night 6:
Night 6 featured a mistake by us, for attacking Seamus again, he couldn't do anything, he had nothing more but the powers of a weak townie now. Next to that I thought it was time to get rid of Sasaki, I wanted to do that on night 6, but we decided it would be better to attack Redleg that night.
Next to that I added the words: "Fenring the Jotun", as he was inactive I thought it would be a good change to frame him on the long term ... as no-one read the runes anyway.
Day 6:
Day 6 featured me using the fake Champion PM for the first time (well next to sending it to Seamus) by sending it to Sasaki, to put me and Alex in the innocent box, as we were champion and king. Next to that Warluster did get killed, but then not a very big loss, as the town believed he was innocent afterall and we still had 2 kills a night.
Night 7:
This was the night in which we accidently challenged Count Arach, but then all turned out well after, helping me even more to prove the point I was a innocent Champion. Next to that we decided we should kill CR and Husar, both were to completely random kills, as we knew nothing about them. I forgot to enter something on the runes actually.
Day 7:
Day 7 was the day that Sasaki was on the completely wrong trail, as he believed my innocence, so he thought he should seek out the townies. The clearly innocent Motep was killed, everyone could see he was innocent imo, he hadn't been on for a week.
Night 8:
This night we decided to kill Prole and Pever, Pever for become to strong in Holmgang (by now he could come near my 9) and Prole since we didn't know her role. The kill on Prole obviously failed as she proved to be a Goddess, but Pever was taking out. Next to that I inserted the words: "Read the Runes" as I was fed up with people not reading runes. Plus I was convinced that by now we killed the fella who made the rune posts in the first place.
Day 8:
Andres was lynched, as he won against Sapi (29% change, that's big enough to stand a change) and since he didn't go to Valhalla after everyone was convinced they killed a Jotun, well ofcourse not he killed a king.
Night 9:
Me and Alex killed Omanes and Kukri, Omanes for being a lord and Kukri because I thought he had the doctor role (I thought we only had 1 god, so that would make Husar and Prole innocent townies (as they would be protected), but they turned out to be gods). Next to that Caius and GH holmganged, couldn't be better. Then I entered the words: "Well done town" as they did well, well well for me.
Day 9:
Easy lynch on Caius, as he won against GH with ease, but then that change was there. it was 50-50, with a bit of luck one of them went into berserk mode, could have easely been GH, after which we would lynch him. Problem was that Fenring was lynched as well, I didn't like that since I was going to give him the Jotun role, so things become difficult for a minute.
Night 10:
Alex at first wanted to kill 1 person only. But when we killed 2 we would win, as it would be 2 vs 2 left, both Alex and me could vote for the same, making a tie, since here that would mean no lynch we could then kill the following two.
All in all good game guys
ByzantineKnight
02-23-2007, 09:52
Congrats to the Jotun!!
Nice game Sigurd!!
pevergreen
02-23-2007, 10:06
I have to say, I did not see mention of runes anywhere until after the game.
I might disclose a few things before the full write up... since I sense you guys are a little confused over the recent events.
Holmgang
I disclosed my method to two people and yet they never “caught on”. I also leaked some info here and there to the people in the chat; some where true and others ambiguous at best. My intention was to build a little Holmgang application. However as I didn’t realise that I was up for hosting my game I had to make short cuts. I came up with the pieces of paper in a bowl. These pieces was marked and folded twice.
Let’s take Andres’ fight against sapi. Andres had 2 and sapi 5. I put two pieces of paper with a red dot into the bowl and 5 pieces of paper with a blue dot into the bowl. I also put the draw piece with a green dot on totalling 8 pieces.
I mixed them around and placed the bowl on my head (silly but fair as I wouldn’t see the pieces). I pulled out a red dot. This meant that Andres was down to 1 – 5. Normally sapi would easily win this. I then proceeded to pull put 5 blue in a row and the only thing left was a green and a red. I pulled out the green and a red remained. This meant that Andres had won. Now how to narrate this? I came up with the Berserkrgangr. The only ‘logical’ way for a inferior warrior to win a fight. This became the norm for the underdog winning. I though people would catch this.
I have found new respect for random numbers and picking out of a bowl. Nearly all the Holmgang (clearly exception: Orb vs. Motep 0-3 ) was undecided until the last piece of paper.
Hugin and Munin (the ravens of Odin)
The birds of Odin were going to be supplementary to the ability of Heimdall. It first seemed a little unbalanced that the Gods could investigate 3 players each night. The info from the birds was therefore only scraps. And all messages were correct but out of context. When I realised that Odin was a smart man and deducted that Prole had to be Idun based on the bird message, I was a little worried that the messages was too informative. I toned them down a little.
The War Vets slept outside and had well tended weapons. I also put something in that reflected recent events. CF having fought a Holmgang = tired. DonC attacked by Jotun = sleepless and weapon in hand. When Husar asked me if reinvestigating players would reveal more info I was a little reluctant of answering clearly as I had been ‘helpful’ earlier. Reinvestigating players would reveal deeper things.
More to come…
The birds of Odin were going to be supplementary to the ability of Heimdall. It first seemed a little unbalanced that the Gods could investigate 3 players each night. The info from the birds was therefore only scraps. And all messages were correct but out of context.
Well, the first were fine etc and I could even understand the "recent events" stuff concerning DonC and CF, the problem was that AtPG was "giving and taking orders" which was soooo fitting of a Jarl that I had never ever gotten the idea that he could not be a Jarl.
When I realised that Odin was a smart man and deducted that Prole had to be Idun based on the bird message, I was a little worried that the messages was too informative. I toned them down a little.
I'd say you punished me for talking to you in the chat, next time I'll keep silent.:shame:
The War Vets slept outside and had well tended weapons. I also put something in that reflected recent events. CF having fought a Holmgang = tired. DonC attacked by Jotun = sleepless and weapon in hand.
That was pretty fair I have to say, wanted CF lynched mainly because Stig and AtPG had such a solid alibi according to
Stig – PM’d me after my info request. PM (appeared to be in order) named Alex as his king and himself as champion. His Holmgang is in line with known scores. Asked if I intended to publish a list of Kings/Jarls warning me that this would be problematic.
and
Alexander tPG is taking orders and giving orders.
A man with a heavy duty.
Stig smelled of royalty, yet was not royal.
When Husar asked me if reinvestigating players would reveal more info I was a little reluctant of answering clearly as I had been ‘helpful’ earlier. Reinvestigating players would reveal deeper things.
Yeah, I already realized that talking to you in the chat was the worst of my mistakes.:shame:
Sigurd To your question (PM)
Husar yes
Sigurd I have not made up my mind about birds visiting several times
Sigurd I guess it is allowed
22:58 Sigurd Good thinking tho
Sigurd It might reveal deeper resutls
Sigurd on second or third visitation
22:59 Husar well, if a Jotun is inactive
Husar maybe he returned something innocent
23:00 Sigurd could be
well, and then there was this in the last night:
Husar I don't need to PM you, really
Sigurd but did he attack Jotun?
Husar except if double-checking would yield new results
Sigurd it might
23:09 Husar you hadn't made up your mind last time
Sigurd my mind is clear
Husar I can survive the night anyway if prole gets a PM in
Sigurd new investigation will reveal deep results
Husar ok
23:10 Sigurd and are you sure you investigated all?
Husar then I will double-check AtPG and Stig just in case
Husar yes, all alive
Sigurd alright
Well, you see there is a certain suspicion of AtPG and Stig but I never even started a second investigation because deep in my heart I knew that prole would not PM Sigurd and protect me(she was very restricted lately, took her days to read my PMs etc) and thus I knew that if they were Jotun, we had lost anyway.:no:
Well, turns out my worst nightmare became true, Sigurd shall now be deleted from the list of my friends for leading me astray.~;)
Prole needs some whooping for inactivity in vital stages of the game.:whip:
And Stig who really, really screwed me with that fake PM he sent Seamus is my new hero now for faking ability(I'd really like to see that PM, Stig, maybe you can post it here?):flowers:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-23-2007, 13:57
Well done Jotun!
Very Enjoyable Game Siggy!!!! Hope we get another a few months down the road -- let Frey, Hel, Surtur etc. come out to play!
I had some doubts about Stig after he PM'ed me, but got so caught up in the other issues of the moment that he wasn't cross-checked. The raven info on AtPG was enough to let me back-burner it. That was enough of an edge for them to take us to the cleaners - well done on the part of the jotun.
Well, seeing how things turned out, this particular post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1437139&postcount=1509) and the reactions on it must have been pretty funny to Stig and ATPG.
I hope people will now believe me when I cry out my innocence. Even after the game was as good as finished, Husar wouldn't believe me in the chat. He even called me a liar ~:mecry:
:laugh4:
Valkyries
The valkyries that greet the warriors of men.
I hadn’t planned to put them in to the stories, but as soon as I did I realized that it would be another unbalanced feature. But as you look closely Warluster was greeted by Hel on his death. No horses or blonds mentioned. I also had to update Dutch_guy’s death. Townies without war experience had not been proved in battle and hence did not qualify for Valhalla. War Vets and Champions had proved themselves worthy before coming to Gulating. Even if they died in their sleep they were collected by the Valkyries.
Well, seeing how things turned out, this particular post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1437139&postcount=1509) and the reactions on it must have been pretty funny to Stig and ATPG.
I hope people will now believe me when I cry out my innocence. Even after the game was as good as finished, Husar wouldn't believe me in the chat. He even called me a liar ~:mecry:
:laugh4:
Well, now that we lost I can be honest.
In this game, given my role, I relied mostly on what I had as "facts", I completely blended out any kind of emotion. I actually found you and CF quite believable, especially during the night, I might have evn challenged Stig had there not been what I thought was "evidence" of your guilt and him being champion. I noticed especially that he asked for a list of kings and champions and that he always said I were right, without my "investigations", I had most likely suspected him, but I guess I should have chosen the more emotional "gut feeling" kind of approach.
I actually had this approach at the start and it was the reason I had a look at Kukri, he was so helpful and nice, I suspected him. Well, my aim was to have an investigation on most or all people who would be alive towards the end and know for sure who was guilty and the more investigations I made, the more I relied on the "evidence" I had, not knowing that it was completely false and that by blending out any emotional approach I was dooming myself and the town.:oops:
Sasaki and GH clearly showed a broom reference, I knew they were townies, but you andres, as you know, returned a "he has something to hide." which I saw as a very strongindicator of guilt, in the beginning I tried to look for very small hints in the results and thought finding the Jotun with my "investigations" would be extremely difficult but once I had the results for Motep and you, it all looked so clear, why would a townie have something to hide? Well, I still don't know.:shrug:
I noticed especially that he asked for a list of kings and champions
au contraire, I asked Seamus not to publish it, as it might doom the town:
About this list again. If you publish who's Lord and Champion and who isn't, don't you think the Jotun will go after them. Afterall you're missing the clear innocent townies (whatever name they have) and the War Veterans. So the Jotun will know who to attack.
I like the idea, but wouldn't it be better for everyone to send in their role?
I'm not going to publish a list that dooms the town.
I am going to assemble a list privately detailing all of the information I am getting (multiples sources) so as to cross-deck them and find who's spoofing us. I'll then provide THOSE names to be lynched and/or holmganged.
and that he always said I were right
guess why I did that? At some point I had you as an Aesir, but I wasn't sure (since Seamus said there would only be one)
au contraire, I asked Seamus not to publish it, as it might doom the town:
That doesn't really make a difference, according to what he sent me(I quoted it) you asked for a list, to me that would have been suspicious if you hadn't had an alibi. And I'd still like to see that PM, Seamus never showed me the evidence itself, only his interpretation, and I mostly trusted his judgement. I'm just curious what exactly you made up there that Seamus thought it was genuine.
guess why I did that? At some point I had you as an Aesir, but I wasn't sure (since Seamus said there would only be one)
At some point I was expecting to die or at least get targeted because I was throwing around seemingly baseless accusations. But I actually calculated with Prole being able to save me for two rounds plus my extra life so once we were getting close to the end and my information was almost complete, I could afford being a bit more careless I thought.
We used you, you were "at our side", voted the same as we did (well I did, Alex decided to lurk it out). Killing you would mean killing someone who believed in Alex' and my innocence. About all the others we weren't sure, so they were killed.
We used you, you were "at our side", voted the same as we did (well I did, Alex decided to lurk it out). Killing you would mean killing someone who believed in Alex' and my innocence. About all the others we weren't sure, so they were killed.
Sounds good. Makes me feel so much better.~:mecry:
Kagemusha
02-23-2007, 17:32
Three times yesterday i did offer my advice to get rid of these bastardly Jotun Stig and Alexander the Pretty Good,but i was ignored. Congratulations to the Jotun and i expect to see you on the battlefields when Ragnarok will be upon us!:medievalcheers:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-23-2007, 19:41
*cough*
Stig smelt of royalty, yet was not royal
*Claims to be a king*
Great game mate!
Congratulations to all the jotuns on your victory
:bow:
Hi there people... forgot about me have you?
Due to extreme RL I have not been able to post here a while now. It has normalised since then and I was able to write the last two pages of the write-up. It seemed like a waste not posting this so if anyone is interested here goes:
The Midgard Saga
the
Story
Having played many mafia games I realised I had not hosted one myself. I thought it might give me valuable experience. I wanted a themed game with lots of roles. In my opinion these games are more enjoyable. I also like games that bring something new, something not done before. I am that type of player that grows tired of games fast, the type that will never get the high score.
I put my interest of hosting a game in the appropriate thread and started thinking of a theme. I came up with Norse Mythology since I am a Northman and know a few things about it. I thought it appropriate to make a story located on the west coast of Norway where I live and where my ancestors have lived since who knows when. My father’s family comes from Sogn and my mother’s from Hordaland.
I decided to put my ideas in a thread to take soundings. I had not paid attention to the current development in the hosting queue and thought some games were going to run before mine. I had many plans and when I finally realised that I was up, many plans had to be scrapped. I have already mentioned the Holmgang system so I won’t mention that again. The roles were quickly written and there was no time to do a thorough balancing of the game.
I was a little afraid that the game might be seriously unbalanced and made a few tweaks here and there.
32 players signed and the game was a reality. The names of the players were written down on pieces of papers, folded twice and placed in a cereal bowl. The roles were also written on pieces of paper, folded twice and placed in another cereal bowl. I picked one piece of paper from the names and one from the roles. This was my election system.
I had to rewrite Prole’s role since I thought it a little inappropriate to place her in the shoes of Thor the manly man. I am sorry Prole if I thought wrong.
Thor was to protect two players every night by giving them a magical hammer amulet that would scare off the Jotun and give extra power in battle.
I wanted a twist in the game, a role that would play pranks and create a little chaos. I bet any of the players in the game would do nicely in that role. I laughed a little when I pulled Reenk out of the bowl. I knew he would enjoy this role. All roles were picked and a few names remained in the bowl. These would be the townies.
I started sending out the role descriptions in the same order that I picked them and if anyone was looking at my profile during that time they would not be able to deduce who got which role. The roles were:
Three Jotun:
Utgards-Loki: The Jotun King, a trickster and magician (hence the Loki call-name).
He once tricked Loki and Thor whilst holding a feast at his castle. He sat up games where Loki got beat in an eating competition and Thor got beat in a strong man’s test and a drinking competition. The opponents of Thor and Loki later turned out to be forces of nature. Loki competed with fire in the eating contest. Thor tried to drink the ocean in the drinking contest and tried to hold back age in the strong man’s test.
Trym :A large and very strong jotun. He once stole Mjølnir, the hammer of Thor to blackmail the Æsir into letting him marry Frøya (love godess).
Rungne : A jotun champion with a very fast horse (Gullfaks). Once he raced Odin and his horse Sleipner and didn’t stop until they passed the border to Asgard. He then was invited to dine with the Æsir. He got drunk and threatened the Gods; he challenged Thor to Holmgang where he knocked out the Thunder God by throwing a whetstone at him. Thor caught and split the whetstone on his hammer but a piece hit his head and he passed out.
Four Æsir:
Odin: The All Father of the Norse Gods, He exchanged one of his eyes for wisdom and knowledge in magical arts. He fathered many gods; amongst them Thor, Balder and Heimdal. He also has two ravens that he sends out during the night and on the morrow they return with tales of the world.
Heimdall: The God of light and Bitfrost bridge guard of Asgard. He can see and hear better than any other gods and will be the one who could first detect a jotun uprising to Asgard. His sight is clear 100 miles in every direction, night and day. He can hear grass grow. He is the archenemy of Loki and they will kill each other at Raganrok. He also likes to step into the realm of Midgard and spend time with the humans.
Idun: The Godess of Life-force. She is in charge of the tree of life from whence its fruit gives eternal life to the gods (fruit usually referred to as apples).
Loki: The God of tricks and pranks. The rebel God is a well known force often misinterpreted as evil. Loki made much mischief but also some good deeds.
It should be noted that Loki was both Jotun and Æsir. He was born Jotun but mixed blood with Odin in a blood oath. He received powers and was adopted by Odin and became the brother of Thor.
6 Lords:
King Eirikr of Hordaland
King Sulke of Rogaland
King Bele of Sogn
One Jarl from each kingdom.
6 Champions:
I wanted to test out something. First I would make it hard to kill the kings in holmgang by providing them with a stand in. I decided that the Jarls also should have this protection. I also wanted to see what pairing up two players would do to a game.
8 War veterans:
A strong townie that might think they had a chance in Holmgang.
5 townies:
Townies that thought they had no chance in Holmgang.
The game started and I put up a Rune stone with the word ‘FUTHARK’ to see if anyone would foresee what purpose it would have during the game.
Odin was the player responsible for putting runes on it during the game but the Jotun king would try to obfuscate it by placing three words in the message somewhere.
Odin aka Husar started to question me about this and that and I replied as neutral as possible but I let a few things slip out. Ichigo was also squeezing me for info and I supplied some half truths. In a balanced game, if I help one side I will need to equally help the other. Needless to say I helped the Jotun a little too.
Round 1
The Jotun wanted to kill Destroyer of Hope and Sir Moody
Idun protected Sasaki and Seamus
Heimdall watched Crazed Rabbit
Odin sent his birds to Prole and Sasaki and the message: “beware of the word of evil”
The Jotun added: “Thank you Sasaki”.
Due to different alphabets two players thought it said ‘Wank you Sasaki’ and I decided to use the same rune alphabet as the players obviously did.
I really thought someone had sniffed my pms by those first kills. A Lord and his Champion were killed the first night. What are the odds of that?
I did the first kill descriptions and it was I who made the broadsword reference. This was to show the Jotun that I wanted them to write the kills themselves and use my example as a template. The Jotun are loath to follow orders and might forget to use “normal” killing methods.
As I predicted, the discussion derailed on the “Broadsword” reference and I was a little surprised how important this was for some players.
Sorry about that Disco.
Some sporadic voting in this round and a lot of vote changes led to a four way tie of GH, Ichigo, sapi and Lord Motep. I decided to call the lynching off as I didn’t want an extension or revote. There were enough players to make a definite lynch; besides someone would probably die in the Holmgang anyway.
To me the; unvote, vote: Sigurd is not problematic with my method of keeping vote scores. If someone changes their vote the current name gets replaced with the new name.
This was the first test of the new feature and 6 challenges were put forth.
1. Tom Hagen(3) vs. CF(2)
2. Kagemusha(3) vs. Seamus(8)
3. Ichigo(3) vs. CountArach(4)
4.HughTower(4) vs. Redleg(5) 0-2
5. Crazed Rabbit(3) vs. GH (2)
6. Lord Motep (4) vs. Orb (2)
Other notable happenings:
I was swamped with people sending me questions about this and that and I tried to be as neutral as possible. If I helped one side I would need to help the other.
As it were Stig posted something along the lines of inquiring why people hadn’t noticed the runes.
I pm’ed him with a little advice against mentioning runes at all, If I were mafia I would have made bets that Husar (the player that put runes on the stone) and possible Sasaki were looking for someone casually mentioning the runes. He edited his post. I also sent a pm advising pevergreen against his post mentioning his high Holmgang score. He did not retract it. I guess the mafia thought that pevergreen would play the scapegoat in a later round.
Round 2
The first real test of the infamous Holmgang battle system: HughTower (4) vs. Redleg (5).
Since Redleg was a Lord I sent him a warning that he was up for a Holmgang and asked if he intended to use his champion. He declined and wanted to fight this himself.
I tried to narrate the results and as the story goes, it was even right up to the end. Redleg and Hughtower took turns losing a stat, but when the stats were at 1-2 to Redleg, Hughtower lost his last stat and Redleg emerged victorious.
The Jotun wanted to kill Dutch_guy and Don Corleone
Idun protected Husar and Don Corleone
Heimdall watched HughTower and sent his results to Crazed Rabbit.
Odin sent his birds to Kukri and Kagemusha and the message to be runified: "use wisdom keep the heart of a true viking as it will make you succeed".
The Jotun added: ‘Don’t trust Ichigo”.
It became clear this round that people were revealing in private based on the questions I got in PMs. Should I punish these players? I couldn’t as I hadn’t specifically mentioned this in the rules. This behind the scene networking would create an unbalanced game if the mafia didn’t get in on it. I let it pass, but I was keeping an eye on the development.
It was this round that Seamus pm’ed me this: “By-the-way, I'm sure the "old man's" ravens are around here somewhere, so have them tell Odin I have no idea what game he's playing -- but he is Odin and I shall play and let him keep his disguise as he wishes.”
I got impressed. He was spot on in many of his assumptions about the game and its roles. I thought he had uncovered Husar and his role as the old man at the Ting. This was my initial intention for Odin, to play the old man at Gulating. I had to change this and put Husar into the story as a separate entity.
Another Lord lost his life this round and it looked bad for the townies. Two Lords down and pevergreen all but announced he was one. Idun aka Prole protected DonC from the Jotun and I am sorry Don, it was me who wrote that kill. I had to change the initial kill description since you were about to be saved.
The discussion this round went along the lines of clan affiliation or no affiliation.
I intentionally left the “townies” in the no affiliation category; only Kings, Champions and War Vets belonged to a faction. This was one of the twists I put in the game. The factions were just for narrating purposes and had no meaning in the game as such. As I hoped some would accuse the none-affiliated of being Jotun as they believed all humans belonged to a faction.
The voting resulted in a 5 way tie of two votes… not a chance I would redo that vote. Time to teach those voters to BANDWAGON!!! No lynch in round two either.
Challenges:
1. Omanes(6) vs. Husar(9)
2. Tom Hagen(4) vs. Omanes(6)
3. Kagemusha(3) vs. Omanes(6)
4. Lord Motep(4) vs. Orb(2) 3-0
5. Ichigo(3) vs. Sasaki(2)
6. Crazed Rabbit(3) vs. GH(2)
Other happenings:
I realised that I hadn’t sent Dutch_guy to Valhalla as deserved and corrected this. I even made a reference in the thread that an update had been done. Yet people did not notice this and even pointed out the fact that Dutch had not been sent to Valhalla.
Redleg gave some clues to his role in this round and I would have to see if the Jotun picked up on this. Two lords could go down the coming night.
Loki aka Reenk Roink decided to reveal his role as his initial post… Not exactly what I would have done but hey, It seemed to work though. Reenkmaister really played this role well.
It was about this time I realised that this game would generate lots of posts. Over 600 posts and round three was not started yet (yes, there was an extension).
Round 3
Lord Motep vs. Orb in Holmgang was a pure walkover by Motep. Orb took the first point but then it was all Motep. 3-0 to Motep was a clear victory.
The Jotun wanted to kill Byzantine Knight and Orb
Idun protected Redleg and Don Corleone
Heimdall watched Reen Roink.
Odin sent his birds to DonC and Redleg and the message to be runified: "Your offer is accepted Loki".
The Jotun added: “Andres is guilty”.
This is the round that Reenk Roink got targeted by voters. Finally people start to actually put some numbers on the votes. RR was continuing his frame of Ichigo who tried to defend himself as best he could. Sasaki had heard too many “Wolf, wolf” being cried and would not listen to RR at all. It seemed RR would be lynched but Seamus decided to intervene by revealing his role and one of his missions. The fight I was hoping not to write was imminent. People started unvoting RR even though they would lose a powerful detective role. I guess people wanted to see this Holmgang between Loki and Heimdall and used Disco as a scapegoat.
An overwhelming number of votes (if you use previous votes as a template) got the innocent man Discovery1 lynched.
Reenk Roink started off the challenges with a challenge of Seamus. It is my guess that he didn’t really want this holmgang and counted on my bureaucratic view of my rules. Yes it is true that for this fight to be favoured it had to be Seamus who challenged RR. If Seamus hadn’t put forth his challenge it would have decided upon a rolling die.
1. Reenk Roink (7) vs. Seamus (7)
2. Redleg (7) vs. Ichigo (3)
3. Omanes (6) vs. Tom Hagen (4)
4. Ichigo (3) vs. Reenk Roink (7)
5. Seamus (7) vs. Reenk Roink (7) 1-0
6. CF (2) vs. Omanes (6)
You may notice that the Holmgang stats vary a little (ref. Redleg)
This is due to the fact that wins in Holmgang gets you an extra permanent point and being protected by Idun also gives you an extra point (just for that round).
Other happeings:
Redleg was buying into the framing of Ichigo and was a little upset at Sasaki for swaying the town in favour of the lynch of Disco. Reenk continued to throw torches on the bonfire that put Ichigo in a bad light, and Ichigo continued his feverish defence.
Ichigo was on a roll in the chat and I casually mentioned that praying to a god might save you in the event of a lynching or a kill, which resulted in the post #815… (HEHE)
Reenk Roink sent me the final pm making his alignment pro-Jotun and joined the jotun team.
Round 4
My ingenious Holmgang system settled the duel between Seamus and RR at the very end with a 1-0 win in favour of Seamus. He became a fearsome duellist for later holmgangs with a new stat of 8. Should he be protected he would gain the all-time high of 9 (like Husar in the previous round).
The Jotun wanted to kill Seamus and Redleg
Idun protected no one (no pm)
Odin sent his birds to Omanes and Ichigo and the message to be runified: "Look how they fight the brave the strong the gods".
The Jotun added: “The Real Loki”.
Idun (Prole), due to real life and .org problems (database down in periods) sent no pm and Heimdall was not protected. Bold move by the Jotun attacking him this round. The Jotun knew they had to attack the Gods twice to remove them from the game. I put in their pm the solution to get rid of a God in one shot by sending two Jotun to do the deed but they never used this feature. They got however another Lord and the town were down to 3 Lords alive; pretty amazing considering this being only round 4.
Odin would probably reason out that Ichigo was innocent by the scrap of information his bird told him. Would he come to the defence of Ichigo? Maybe he would only circulate this information to trusted players? (GRRRR). Odin decides that lynching an innocent townie is better than lynching a Lord.
It was this round pevergreen started lying about his Holmgang stat and I was thinking; what is he doing?
Sasaki was not buying anything that Reenk said in this game and defended Ichigo trying to get people to vote for either Omanes or pever. It became evident that pever had lost his pm and demanded a resend. I couldn’t oblige as that would give pever a free innocent ticket. Even my response could put pever on the innocent list.
Ichigo was gathering votes though and it seemed that Reenk had put doubts in the players hearts about the innocence of Ichigo. That both Omanes and pevergreen was gathering votes was good news to the Jotun as they were both Lords.
Omanes getting a little heat revealed his role in this round and should be an easy target for the Jotun in the next round. HughTower the Champion of pevergreen outed pever as King; 2 new targets for the Jotun next round. Only one Lord remained hidden.
Pevergreen is caught in his lie and people starts changing their votes to him.
At one point pevergreen was in the lead by 7-5 and I got a little worried since he had absolutely no way of defending himself since the discussion around his guilt happened during his sleep. Crazed Rabbit came to the rescue and got people to change their votes from pever to Ichigo and the close race between pever and Ichigo ended by pever pulling the longest straw in the end with 5-6.
Challenges this round:
1. Warluster(7) vs. Prole(7)
2.DonC(3) vs. Omanes(6)
3.GH(2) vs. Pevergreen(6)
4.CR(3) vs. Sasaki(2)
5.pevergreen(6) vs. Sasaki(2)
6.Kage(3) vs. pevergreen(6) 0-1
Other happenings:
Andres was quite active in the chat and by pm asking a lot of questions. I answered as neutral as possible.
Husargave me an idea on his reference that I might have supplied the Jotun with townie pms. Yead Hus… you gave me the idea.
Ichigo posted some chatlogs that were out of context to get back at Reenk. Andres who also were in the chat felt the need to get it right and posted some of the follow up discussions in the chat putting Ichigo in a bad light.
The game rounded 1000 posts in this round. This was going to be a nightmare to make a write up to.
Reenk posted a confession post but later changed it. Did someone notice? I guess only I and Ichigo did.
I guess sapi realised as the last un-revealed Lord that he was alone and tried to put discredit to Omanes’ reveal. That would be of no avail since the Jotun knew who the Jotun were and most likely would have Omanes on their list already.
Heimdall aka Seamus posted a proposal for all players alive to send their role pms to him. This would put some real pressure on the Jotun to fabricate fake pms to send him. The idea that Husar gave me became real. ByzantineKnight voiced his concern and I decided to execute my idea. I sent the Jotun template pms with a few instructions. The Jotun took the identity of the King and champion of Sogn originally belonging to pevergreen and HughTower (a little revenge for HughTower vouching for pevergreen and revealing his role while being dead).
I thought it fair since Stig had originally made a fake detective pm and it would have been too easy for the town to deduce who the remaining Jotun were. This should not be the winning move by the town and I hoped that in their genius move they would still be able to root out the Jotun at a later time.
Round 5
The fight between Kagemusha and pevergreen really made me conscious of the power of randomness. Even though pevergreen had twice as high stat as that of Kage the final score ended in 0-1 to pevergreen.
I originally put Omanes in the ring with Kagemusha because I misread the previous challenge list where Omanes were at the bottom with CF. Omanes and pevergreen both had the same Holmgang stat and Kage chose to just switch the names around. I guess he had a good time with the Valkyrie who picked him up and didn’t want to come back for a second Holmgang.
The Jotun wanted to kill Seamus and Sasaki
Idun protected Seamus and Husar
Odin sent his birds to Crazed Rabbit and sapi but no message to be runified.
The Jotun added: “Fenring the Jotun”.
The behind scenes investigation continues and Sasaki puts both Alexander and Stig on his list of suspects.
pevergreen won his Holmgang and received his new stat that would also confirm his original stat. Yet he chooses to fake my pm to raise his stat one extra point. One indication would be my misspelt name: Fanesblade.
People start putting votes on the Jotun Alexander the Pretty Good to get him talking. Stig with his fake Champion role vouches for Alexander, a bold move since they will both go down if the town catches them in a lie. Alexander votes for himself which puts him in the lead against pevergreen. Warluster the last Jotun puts a vote on pevergreen to create a tie. His reason for posting that vote puts him in the suspicious camp and people starts voting for him. He receives 4 votes and it is enough to get him lynched. The Hovgod put a containment spell on him and gave a magical spear to the executioner. As Warluster dies; I’ll quote the text from the lynching: “Warluster was greeted by a sweet woman’s voice and the scent of fresh air: “Welcome strong one, I will take care of you.” Warluster was Trym the strong, a powerful Jotun and he was greeted by Hel into her realm. The townies finally got one of the Jotun and disposed of him. Two to go.
Challenges:
1.Andres(2) vs. CountA(4)
2. Stig(8) vs. CountA(4) 2-0
3. pevergreen(7) vs. CountA(4)
4. CF(2) vs. Lord Motep(5)
5. CountA(4) vs. pever(7)
Other happenings:
This was the round the townies tried to use the Holmgang as a tool to root out Jotun.
Some were unlucky to challenge when they meant to suggest which players should challenge which players.
Stig and Alexander’s fake pms seem to have convinced the behind scenes investigators and as a representative, Sasaki vouched for them both.
More players start to vouch for players and I start to believe we have several small networks working in the background. Andres the townie confirms that CountA and sapi are “clean”. What is he playing? How does he know?
Round 6
Stig the Jotun King was up against CountA the champion of sapi in Holmgang and again the randomness was favouring the underdog. At one point it was 3-3 as Stig had lost 5-1 to CountA. Was this the moment where a Holmgang would kill a Jotun? Bad luck stroke and in the end game CountA lost 2-1 to Stig making the final score 0-2 favouring Stig. The Jotun King was now at par with a protected Odin with the all time high 9 in Holmgang.
The Jotun wanted to kill Crazed Rabbit and Husar
Idun protected Seamus and DonC
Odin sent his birds to GH and Lord Motep and no message to be runeified.
No message from the Jotun either.
The Jotun dropped a kill point on a not-protected Odin (Husar) and removed Crazed Rabbit from the game.
Sasaki puts up a new list of suspects omitting both Stig and Alexander. CF is getting some heat and people start voting for him. He then quotes his pm and GH confirms its authenticity. I had originally thought of making a few mistakes here and there in my pms, but laziness got the better of me and I circulated the same pm to all townies. Next time maybe…
Some of the dead players start bringing in new information which borderlines cheating. I let it go as the Jotun has successfully fooled the behind investigation team. The behind scenes investigation finally get an all innocent result and they suspect no fair play by the narrator. That’ll teach them to base their investigation on private reveals (hehe). The birds of Odin were giving an unfair advantage to the town as two players were investigated every night. When they investigated War Vets it was crystal clear that they were Vets. As promised (chatroom with Husar), I made it a little more difficult to decipher the bird’s messages. Lord Motep had not appeared in the game since I sent him his new Holmgang stats; in fact he hadn’t read it yet. I put lurker in the raven message and a reference to his role (champion). Odin and the network interpreted it as guilty. At first Lord Motep got many votes and was clearly in the lead, then Dutch_guy basically tells everyone that he was a Lord (revealing when dead??). I was not going to bite his head off but surely there would be consequences. People start unvoting Lord Motep but it was too late. He still had more votes than the next on the list when the voting closed (good effort there Sasaki turning the voting around).
Challenges:
1. GH (2) vs. CF(2)
2. pever (7) vs. Andres (2)
3. sapi (5) vs. Andres (2) 0-1
4. Omanes (6)vs. Andres (2)
Other happenings:
Husar finally found suspicion with Stig’s remarks. Stig questioned why Omanes as a Lord hadn’t been killed yet. Omanes answered that was probably a strategy employed by the Jotun to get him lynched. Husar basically accuses Stig of having prepared such a question. Would the town lynch Stig next?
Sasaki pursues his suspicion of Jotun having townie pms and continues to attack the remainder of the townies. GH is watching profiles and outs Andres for excessive pming. What is Andres up to? Maybe I shall mention this if the birds of Odin pays him a visit?
Round 7
The townie Andres was to Holmgang the Lord sapi. Lord vs. townie; 5-2 as the starting stats. It became evident that Andres was going to lose this as sapi took the first point in the match (5-1). Then I pulled 5 successive points in Andres favour. sapi had lost and I had to narrate the result. I put berserkrgangr as a plausible reason for Andres win in this fight. I bet the Jotun cheered.
The Jotun wanted to kill Proletariat and pevergreen
Idun protected no-one
Odin sent his birds to Alexander the Pretty Good and AndresTheCunning but no message to be runeified.
message from the Jotun: “Read the runes”.
Prole as Idun could not protect herself and was attacked together with pevergreen by the Jotun who had an exceptionally good round this round. They got rid of two Lords and all pro town Gods would be done for next time the Jotun successfully attempted to kill them. With 12 players left, it was still feasible for either town or Jotun to win.
Odin’s birds watched a Jotun and Andres this night. I decided I should mention the networking of Andres in the bird message.
Husar obviously interpreted this to be; Andres = Jotun, and the Holmgang result didn’t make Andres less suspicious. He had revealed his townie stat earlier and when pitted against a Lord he won. Surely this was a lucky round for the Jotun and maybe the decisive point for a Jotun victory.
The inquisition against Andres started and I felt sorry for the guy. The witch hunt was a reality and the Jotun could just jump on the bandwagon with no remorse. As Andres was away carnivaling he had no chance to put up a defence. He got all the votes and was promptly executed. Since Andres was a lowly townie he had not qualified for entrance to Valhalla which just added on the misfortune he found himself in. I hope Andres wasn’t deterred from playing other mafia games after this.
Challenges:
1. GH(2) vs. CF(2) 0-1
Other happenings:
The Andres after-match put the spotlight on CF. the poor guy was attacked from all directions. No one believed him when he claimed innocence. Reenk Roink started posting again attacking Husar. My guess is that he wanted to put some noise into the discussion to clutter the thought process of the pro-town roles. Me thinks he succeeded. I also noticed that GH was posting more than usual even though he had started his Mafia VI. He seemed frustrated at being wrongly accused of being pro-Jotun.
Round 8
The fight between GH and CF resulted in a 0 -1 in CF’s favour. Again a lowly townie had won a Holmgang match and I decided to continue my Berserkrgangr cause for players with a stat of 2 winning a Holmgang. What would the investigation network make of this I wonder?
The Jotun wanted to kill Omanes and Kukri
Idun protected Husar and Fenring
Odin sent his birds to CF and Stig but no message to be runeified.
The message from the Jotun: “Well done town”.
I was wondering a little by the choice Prole made for protecting Fenring this round. I knew she had contact with the other Gods by now and was probably being advised by them whom to protect. The Jotun decided to finally take out Omanes and were lucky Idun hadn’t protected him this night. Why they went after Kukri was also puzzling. But then again I sat with all the answers without knowing what they had been able to uncover during the game.
Ichigo posts a list containing 4 players he suspects are Jotun. Both Alexander and Stig was on that list. Would the rest of the town consider this? Ichigo continues to urge the players to vote for Stig but no-one listens and more or less all the remnant players vote for CF
Challenges:
1. Ichigo (3/7) vs. Sigurd (10) 0 -10
Other happenings:
This was the round we discussed WoG. As I said in the thread many players were in danger of being WoG’ed but since I had made a special promise to JimBob and he didn’t appear anyway I was basically forced to apply the same lenient treatment to them also. sapi didn’t agree and wanted all players that had a total of no-vote record WoG’ed. I put up a list of players that had exceeded this no-vote record and players that were dangerously near. Alexander the Jotun was on that list and I would have WoG’ed him if he didn’t start participating.
I was a little surprised that no-one made a challenge. If the right player had been challenged and the right player had won that challenge the town might have had a chance to win. If Stig or Alexander had been challenged by Husar, he could have removed one of them from the game. In my rules there would only be one kill attempt a night and Idun would have protected two.
Kagemusha appeared from the shadows and accused Alexander and Stig of being Jotun. The remaining players were so sure they had removed the Jotun from the game that they brushed his accusations under the rug.
The only one they suspected was DonC even though he was attacked and I had explicitly stated that Jotun could not attack other Jotun. I guess Andres theory of a God being attacked and later joined the Jotun were bearing fruit. Andres was right though. If the Jotun had attacked Loki (Reenk Roink) this scenario would have been true. But I would not have put two such players in the game.
After having lynched CF the players believed the game to be over and in reality it was due to no challenges.
I wrote the end game and the game that nearly put 1600 posts in a (previously) large game (Seamus redefined the term large game with his Capo di tutti Capi) of 32 players was finally over. I never thought it required that much work hosting a game.
The End
Very nice write-up Sigurd :yes: It's also good to see your still around.
Very nice write-up Sigurd. I enjoyed it.
And allthough my lynching and the town being convinced I was Jotun, frustrated me alot, I didn't get deterred from playing other mafia games.
On the contrary, I became even more addicted to them :laugh4:
Once again: thnx for hosting this one Sigurd :bow:
Kommodus
03-23-2007, 05:36
Stig and Alexander’s fake pms seem to have convinced the behind scenes investigators and as a representative, Sasaki vouched for them both.
Sasaki puts up a new list of suspects omitting both Stig and Alexander.
Sasaki pursues his suspicion of Jotun having townie pms and continues to attack the remainder of the townies.
:gah2:
Yipes! Sasaki, what's going on? You're not losing your mojo on us, are you?
Anyway, I didn't really follow this game, but I did glance every now and then to see how it was going. Judging by the writup, it was quite a game. :2thumbsup:
Sigurd, you did a great job hosting and I think your ideas were very unique and wonderful. And, of course, great job by the Jotun! :applause:
I blame Kommodus for our loss. :beam:
Kommodus
03-23-2007, 14:37
I blame Kommodus for our loss. :beam:
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Well, you villagers do seem a bit hapless sometimes without my aid, huh? ~;)
Though I really have no idea if I'd have been able to figure this one out if I'd been playing. RL was just too crazy at the time.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-23-2007, 18:43
hmm well I figured it then sigurd gave the jotun fake pm's (I was right on that part) and the holmgang results and investigation results gave misleading information...as well as the death description. I blame sigurd :p
Very nice writeup and game mate :yes:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-27-2007, 12:51
Thanks for the final write up Siguard and I thankyou again for such an enjoyable game!
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