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Reenk Roink
02-09-2007, 20:53
No breaks in this game - I learned that on the last one. Some like to play a certain way - so I am using the exact same tactics that others felt were expectable. To include using the same insult in a blunt manner in which they tried in a more subtle way.
Smileies are open to interpation especially if one is playing their role.
I use that smiley everytime I make a list.
Go to the Arena and check some threads about my list of favorite games.
:rolleyes:
You claim to be Loki as evident with my knowledge of the Holmgang scores I am at least a Jarl. I suspect a jotun alreadly knows that - so I don't mind sharing the role. And I have shared it with others.
Hjor Halfsson Jarl
You are the ruler of Stord. You are a War veteran and a ruler under King Sulke of Rogaland.
In the role of a lord I would not accept a claim to being a god without adequate proof. That proof you have yet to supply. So no I do not accept your claim of being the god of mischief at all.
All you have given me is a PM. I have already given my Loki PM as well.
If you will remain skeptical of my status even after I have given a PM, why should I not apply the same criterion to your status?
Reenk's evidence for his claim to be Loki:
1) A PM.
2) The correct Holmgang stats for Thrall and War Veteran (unasked) and when asked, the correct Holmgang stats for Jarl.
Redleg's evidence for his claim to be Jarl of Strod:
1) A PM.
So supply the information on the Jotun or be quiet and shuttle yourself back to your father's home.
I will speak as long as I want. I am a God, you are a Jarl... :rolleyes: (this is playing my role, don't take it as anything more)
I'm not going to give up the Jotun yet.
As I see it, the townies must apologize first.
AndersTheCunning has.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-09-2007, 21:05
Reenk:
Please be so kind as to provide us with some information on the identity of the jotun. Nothing can force you to do so, of course, but it would add to the chaos.
The Jotun will be hunting the champions and jarls now, some of whom you have indirectly I.D.'d.
Giving up one Jotun will pressure their team and force up the craziness.
Redleg and others:
Please give Reenk 1 day to accomplish this -- he'll not see another sunset afterwards if we don't get the information needed.
Reenk Roink
02-09-2007, 21:14
Once I pick an alignment, I will be forced to help that side out, and not be able to play both sides and cause anymore Chaos.
You'll excuse me if I think on the decision a bit, I basically will have to change my gameplan and become an enforcer in Holmgang duels for one team instead of playing the immensely enjoyable game I am right now.
If I had it my way, I would remain aligned only to chaos. It would be a great role.
Of course, if I don't pick a side, I'll end up on the losing team...
I use that smiley everytime I make a list.
Go to the Arena and check some threads about my list of favorite games.
:rolleyes:
In game context my friend in game context - one should be allowed to play the role that they were given regardless of the use of smilies in other areas of the .Org. In the game context I chose to take if for what it means - and respond in kind within the game context. That you chose to misunderstand it for anger - well that is your issue not mine. Have fun with it or not.
All you have given me is a PM. I have already given my Loki PM as well.
If you will remain skeptical of my status even after I have given a PM, why should I not apply the same criterion to your status?
YOu should be skeptical of it, however unlike you I have a backup to my claim if he so choses to come forward. Every Jarl has a champion that can fight in the holmgang for them. That individual's name I have not given, so the information from the PM is not complete. While I am honest in my approach - I am not stupid enough to give all of my information out. Now if you wish to challenge my claim of being a Jarl you may do so, and I will ask my Champion to come forth and state in this thread that I indeed speak the truth. Then I have also shared this information with a few others and they can speak freely if they wish to do so. I have no need of lies to cloud my claim. Can you state the same?
Reenk's evidence for his claim to be Loki:
1) A PM.
2) The correct Holmgang stats for Thrall and War Veteran (unasked) and when asked, the correct Holmgang stats for Jarl.
Again the PM information is your claim. And that is challenged. The correct holmgang stats for Thrall and War Vetern are reasonably figured out. Tje Jarl stat of 5 was my answer - your's was that one was 5. So your answer was inconclusive since I provided the actual name.
Redleg's evidence for his claim to be Jarl of Strod:
1) A PM.
Challenge it if you wish - my claim will be shown to be true, and one that I did not spin. Yours on the otherhand is not so based.
I will speak as long as I want. I am a God, you are a Jarl... :rolleyes: (this is playing my role, don't take it as anything more)
You claim to be a God - I state that your simply touched in the head, or in the language of the day - touched by the gods. So untill you provide adequate proof of your claim - begone back to the hall of your father.
I'm not going to give up the Jotun yet.
As I see it, the townies must apologize first.
AndersTheCunning has.
Provide proof and you will get your apology. Until then - well your just attempting to decieve the gathering.
Reenk Roink
02-09-2007, 21:48
In game context my friend in game context - one should be allowed to play the role that they were given regardless of the use of smilies in other areas of the .Org. In the game context I chose to take if for what it means - and respond in kind within the game context. That you chose to misunderstand it for anger - well that is your issue not mine. Have fun with it or not.
Wow... :rolleyes:
YOu should be skeptical of it, however unlike you I have a backup to my claim if he so choses to come forward. Every Jarl has a champion that can fight in the holmgang for them. That individual's name I have not given, so the information from the PM is not complete. While I am honest in my approach - I am not stupid enough to give all of my information out. Now if you wish to challenge my claim of being a Jarl you may do so, and I will ask my Champion to come forth and state in this thread that I indeed speak the truth. Then I have also shared this information with a few others and they can speak freely if they wish to do so. I have no need of lies to cloud my claim. Can you state the same?
Then that is just an arbitrary chance of game mechanics. The Jarl has a benefit that the Loki does not.
In what other conceivable way am I able to meet your standards of "proof"? :rolleyes:
Again the PM information is your claim. And that is challenged. The correct holmgang stats for Thrall and War Vetern are reasonably figured out. Tje Jarl stat of 5 was my answer - your's was that one was 5. So your answer was inconclusive since I provided the actual name.
I would say that it is pretty impressive to nail two roles' Holmgang stats exactly.
Challenge it if you wish - my claim will be shown to be true, and one that I did not spin. Yours on the otherhand is not so based.
Until it is shown to be true, I cannot believe it.
If a champion does speak on your behalf, then again, it is a matter of game mechanics over anything.
You claim to be a God - I state that your simply touched in the head, or in the language of the day - touched by the gods. So untill you provide adequate proof of your claim - begone back to the hall of your father.
I'd much rather stay right here and keep talking away.
If anyone has a problem with that, they can try to best me in a Holmgang battle... :wink:
Provide proof and you will get your apology. Until then - well your just attempting to decieve the gathering.
This does not follow.
Currently I am deciding on which course of action to take. When I do decide what I want to do, it will be based on my own divine will, not the demands of a petty warlord... :wink:
God of Chaos. You said the Jotuns insulted you. Let the town help you in defeating them.
We have mutual intrests : the end of the Jutons will save the town and you will have your revenge.
Wow... :rolleyes:
Wow indeed :dizzy2:
Then that is just an arbitrary chance of game mechanics. The Jarl has a benefit that the Loki does not.
In what other conceivable way am I able to meet your standards of "proof"? :rolleyes:
Simple, provide the name of the Jotun you claim to know of. Provide the proof and once its verfied - then the apology you get.
I would say that it is pretty impressive to nail two roles' Holmgang stats exactly.
Not exactly - I had three nailed down before you mentioned them in the thread.
Until it is shown to be true, I cannot believe it.
Then let them speak - I have no problem with those who know my role to speak of it or not.
If a champion does speak on your behalf, then again, it is a matter of game mechanics over anything.
Are you attempting to worm your way out of proving your claim? Such an attempt would be an indication of guilt would it not?
I'd much rather stay right here and keep talking away.
If anyone has a problem with that, they can try to best me in a Holmgang battle... :wink:
A simple boast considering that the holmgang has closed for the day.
This does not follow.
Actually it does - and its been consistent in what I have stated. provide the proof and an apology you will get.
Currently I am deciding on which course of action to take. When I do decide what I want to do, it will be based on my own divine will, not the demands of a petty warlord... :wink:
Fair enough - but don't take to long. Other recourses are available to the town.
How do you know the names?
Surely you see that it's pointless to try to get information from a God, Redleg. Especially the God of Chaos. Even if we do get a name out of him it is unlikely that isn't just a random name. He needs to be killed.
Surely you see that it's pointless to try to get information from a God, Redleg. Especially the God of Chaos. Even if we do get a name out of him it is unlikely that isn't just a random name. He needs to be killed.
Hince the comment that it has to be verified. Just because he gives the name does not mean that we should lynch that individual. For all I know Reenk will give a name of someone that I have alreadly discussed their role with - to include my champion. So lets see who he names and then give it serious consideration.
We got a whole day to figure out whom to lynch beside the alreadly obvious choice in Reenk
Kagemusha
02-09-2007, 22:11
I have thought long and hard,so many things that i couldnt get the thoughts out of my head without knocking my head on the bedrock for few times. No my head is sour,but my thoughts are clear.
First we have to ask ourselves, is this man who claims to be Loki. A god or a man? If he indeed is a God,we should be carefull not to insult him,since we dont want the wrath of the Gods over our heads.
But if he is a man pretending to be a God.Isnt that even bigger insult to Gods to leave alive such an imposter? If Jotuns and Loki are among us,where are the other Aesir? Also if Jotuns are here is Hela the dark one and Other malevolent spirits around too?
Im not a priest or a King and not able to solve this riddle. So i say we leave the trickster be and give no attention to his tricks and concentrate on the task of finding the Jotuns. Gods will remain whether we survive or perish and all our faiths have been weaved in the tapestry of fates by the three norn sisters beforehand.
Kagemusha
02-09-2007, 22:29
I dont know. And after some thinking i dont care. We will get the Jotuns with his help or not. Its his decision what he wants to do.But we should focus on catching the Jotuns,not focusing on the riddler.
Reenk Roink
02-09-2007, 22:31
Surely you see that it's pointless to try to get information from a God, Redleg. Especially the God of Chaos. Even if we do get a name out of him it is unlikely that isn't just a random name. He needs to be killed.
All right, that's it. You overplayed your hand Csar/Ichigo. Or should I say: Hrungnir...
Proof?
His first PM sent me was quite early in the game, right after I claimed my status as Loki:
I knew you were around somewhere. I've been searching for you.
Ichigo
I quickly replied:
Bring it on sucka... :duel:
Of course, Ichigo didn't want to fight, he wanted to kill townies, recruiting me in the process:
I have no beef with you. I knew your role before you even knew it existed ~;).
I'm not after you I just hope you would side with the Jotun. I am Hrungnir, and I know you get to pick sides. You should go ahead and side with us, as your role basically is there to confuse the town anyway.
Trust me, I wouldn't have contacted you if I was trying to kill you.
Ichigo
He sent me another PM.
Here is a townie PM we were able to get. Use it if you get in trouble:
Human
Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson
You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats
Ichigo
I became wishy-washy with Csar, and began my second round of posting.
I replied to him:
OK, we're going to do things on my terms if I join you.
Why have you been "looking for me"?
Why did you contact me?
How do you know I'm Æsir?
Answer my questions.
Sorry Reenk, we call the shots here. You are already close to getting lynched.
I've been wondering who the entire game who the God was.
I really have no answer for that.
Sigurd.
Ichigo
It was at this point I got upset, and started to say I expose the Jotun in public.
Now he has pushed it over the top. Pretty telling how Ichigo has been after me for quite awhile now... :wink:
Next round Ichigo, it is you who is going down.
Never piss off Loki... :veryangry:
Edit:
I'm sure RR is a God.
You seem to be on top of things Ichigo... :wink:
Kagemusha
02-09-2007, 22:34
Loki prove your words by challenging Ichigo/Jotun on the next round.
Reenk Roink
02-09-2007, 22:36
Loki prove your words by challenging Ichigo/Jotun on the next round.
I already said I was going to...
Next round Ichigo, it is you who is going down.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-09-2007, 22:42
meh, I'll call baloney on that without even reading it.
Let's lynch GH.
I knew you were around somewhere. I've been searching for you.
Ichigo
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Bring it on sucka...
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I have no beef with you. I knew your role before you even knew it existed .
I know who you are Csar. You are the one out for me...
No, I'm not after you I just hope you would side with the town. I'm just a plain old townie like always.
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Give me a break Csar. My identity is hidden from everyone, but Sigurd did say there was "someone out to get you".
You're the only one who knew what I was talking about.
Now, I'm going to challenge you right now, and you better hope you can get me before I get you, cause my Holmgang score is through the roof...
We'll see what happens.
Hopefully the dice are on my side and I get to kill you in a duel.
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Fine. I wouldn't have contacted you if I was trying to kill you, but you shall die by my sword.
Ichigo
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You can't kill me buddy.
You really don't know how high my Holmgang is...
I told you all, I have no special powers, except for the Holmgangmeister that I am.
I haven't issued the challenge yet, because you challenged Sasaki just now.
Who are you?
Let me see you PM.
You may be a townie, but you got a PM, and you know something about me.
Why have you been "looking for me"?
Why did you contact me?
How do you know I'm Æsir?
Answer my questions.
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Human
Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson
You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats
Holmgang ability : 3 (WarVeteran) = 3
Sigmund "the axe" Germundsson is who I am.
I've been wondering who the entire game who the God was.
I really have no answer for that.
Sigurd.
Ichigo
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Looks legit, though you may have borrowed a PM...
I dunno...
Me and RR's real PM exchange. Seems you are living up to your name RR.
Kagemusha
02-09-2007, 22:44
meh, I'll call baloney on that without even reading it.
Let's lynch GH.
That was not about lynching.It was about Reenk challenging Ichigo. Why are you so intrested on lynching GH?
Reenk Roink
02-09-2007, 22:44
Me and RR's real PM exchange. Seems you are living up to your name RR.
Hmm, why didn't you post these "real" PM's earlier Csar?
Why did you wait for me to post them?
You have been caught in a lie. :laugh4:
Idiotic Jotun, I care not about which side you are on, but you have earned the God's wrath.
Prepare to be killed... :duel:
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2007, 22:52
Well, I can chip in one thing with this:
Ichigo sent me that same "The Axe" PM in order to prove his townieness to me. I foolishly gave him mine in return, so watch out if he tries to use that one. I'll confirm if it's the one I gave him or not.
Hmm, why didn't you post these "real" PM's earlier Csar?
Why did you wait for me to post them?
You have been caught in a lie. :laugh4:
Idiotic Jotun, I care not about which side you are on, but you have earned the God's wrath.
Prepare to be killed... :duel:
What do you mean? Why didn't you post them earlier? That all happened last night, but you had to change some of it up so that you could try to point the finger at me instead of the person you are actually hiding, if there really is such a person.
Really? I have earned your wrath come now. If you were really true to that then you would have challenged me last night when the PM's were sent. Why not then RR? No, of course you wait until the challenge round is over then you bring out your meaningless threats. Truely you should think before doing something as foolish as this.
Ichigo
Sasaki Kojiro
02-09-2007, 22:55
@Kagemusha, this:
Well, I can chip in one thing with this:
Ichigo sent me that same "The Axe" PM in order to prove his townieness to me. I foolishly gave him mine in return, so watch out if he tries to use that one. I'll confirm if it's the one I gave him or not.
GH is not acting like town GH at all. He's believing crazy plots and making poor assumptions. He isn't posting much and he hasn't responded to my numerous accusations.
lynch lynch lynch!
Reenk Roink
02-09-2007, 22:56
What do you mean? Why didn't you post them earlier? That all happened last night, but you had to change some of it up so that you could try to point the finger at me instead of the person you are actually hiding, if there really is such a person.
Really? I have earned your wrath come now. If you were really true to that then you would have challenged me last night when the PM's were sent. Why not then RR? No, of course you wait until the challenge round is over then you bring out your meaningless threats. Truely you should think before doing something as foolish as this.
Ichigo
You have been trying to get me lynched. You said you were "sure I was a God".
But you didn't post the PM's until after I did.
What you did was reactive. I reacted too, in Mafia V, when I was Mafia. I posted PM's after asked, etc.
Also, it took you 11 minutes to "copy and paste" those PM's. If they were legit, why not send them from the get go?
I didn't challenge you then Jotun, because I was still trying to keep my options open.
Nice job using your fake PM. Too bad you gave it to me too... :laugh4: It would have been much more convincing if I didn't have it... :tongue2:
Well, at least one of you is lying. I say you guys duel. Depending on the write-up of that duel, we can always lynch the winner. Oh, and if you don't duel, don't think I will forget this. It will make the both of you suspicious.
Unvote : Reenk Roink
Vote : Lord Motep
Motep, you still haven't explained why you voted Orb. Your only reason was "I vote you because you voted me". That's just not good enough to me.
Just one question as I don't follow the entire discussion
Reenk claims he's God (Loki, or whatever), and he says Ichigo is Jotun, right? And Ichigo says he's some Axe guy and he says that Reenk lies, right?
Kagemusha
02-09-2007, 23:02
Just one question as I don't follow the entire discussion
Reenk claims he's God (Loki, or whatever), and he says Ichigo is Jotun, right? And Ichigo says he's some Axe guy and he says that Reenk lies, right?
Yes.:yes:
Yes.:yes:
Thanks m8, that makes things clear
Just one question as I don't follow the entire discussion
Reenk claims he's God (Loki, or whatever), and he says Ichigo is Jotun, right? And Ichigo says he's some Axe guy and he says that Reenk lies, right?
Now you see what happens if you sleep all night!
*slaps Stig with a rotten wet fish*
Come on you lazy whippersnapper, go read a few pages :whip:
~;)
Kagemusha
02-09-2007, 23:04
@Kagemusha, this:
GH is not acting like town GH at all. He's believing crazy plots and making poor assumptions. He isn't posting much and he hasn't responded to my numerous accusations.
lynch lynch lynch!
You have a point there.So GH,what you have to say on these accusations?
You have been trying to get me lynched. You said you were "sure I was a God".
But you didn't post the PM's until after I did.
What you did was reactive. I reacted too, in Mafia V, when I was Mafia. I posted PM's after asked, etc.
Also, it took you 11 minutes to "copy and paste" those PM's. If they were legit, why not send them from the get go?
I didn't challenge you then Jotun, because I was still trying to keep my options open.
Nice job using your fake PM. Too bad you gave it to me too... :laugh4: It would have been much more convincing if I didn't have it... :tongue2:
I have been trying to get you lynched? I voted you once because you were being suspiciously quiet. Your the only one who has come out and said that you were a God and I know there was one so I just assumed that you are telling the truth.
I had no reason to post them before that. I only posted them afterwards because you accused me of something that is false and changed one thing in our PM exchange from last night. Your laziness astounds me.
I wasn't on when you posted that. I was in the chat, but not in the Org and Andres kindly told me that you posted something about me so I got on. took me a grand total of 1-2 minutes to post that.
I bet you were. What options? The option to forge part of my PM so that you could try to get me lynched?
That PM is not fake.
Ichigo
I can confirm Ichigo was in the chat and I indeed said to him something like "check the thread, you're screwed. Ichigo = Guilty :)" Within no time his response was there.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-09-2007, 23:36
Post #399 - Reenk announces his godhood.
(I've set that off so you can sig it my friend:wiseguy: )
Ichigo and Andres support Reenk's claim to divinity, while Redleg expresses skepticism and calls for Reenk to help the town or nourish the grass.
After much feuding with Redleg, Reenk complies with our request to name a Jotun -- though he holds off making a final choice of "sides." The Jotun names is the high post count Ichigo.
Ichigo -- the designated Jotun -- claims that Reenk's reveal of him is a forgery and provides counter information.
Andres -- steering clear of making a firm assessment -- does confirm the short time lag between his notification of Ichigo and Ichigo's posting. This implies that Ichigo would not have had time to re-write it and suggests that Reenk's is the forgery.
Sasaki, following another line of attack entirely, pushes for the lynching of GH claiming his behavior is out of character with his norm.
Sapi, reading this, sees value in Sasaki's point, and pushes GH to respond.
I think we do need to hear from GH, from Ichigo, from Andres, and from Reenk a bit more. May not clear things up now, but will probably be useful down the road a bit.
Kagemusha
02-09-2007, 23:39
Seamus,why you left my input completely out of the scenario? Or was it so insignificant?Or am i Sapi?As far as i know im Kander.~;)
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2007, 23:40
A situation has arisen in a PBM I'm currently working on that requires my full attention. Kage can confirm this.
I will make a decent post once that has been dealt with.
Kagemusha
02-09-2007, 23:45
Yes what GH says its true.Bern is under siege and the Reich is threatened by the Milanese.:knight:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-09-2007, 23:47
A situation has arisen in a PBM I'm currently working on that requires my full attention. Kage can confirm this.
I will make a decent post once that has been dealt with.
You were very busy at the start of ShallowCreek I remember :laugh4:
And "busy" doesn't explain your behavior.
Yes what GH says its true.Bern is under siege and the Reich is threatened by the Milanese.:knight:
Maybe Reenk the invincible God can help :bounce:
Well, I can chip in one thing with this:
Ichigo sent me that same "The Axe" PM in order to prove his townieness to me. I foolishly gave him mine in return, so watch out if he tries to use that one. I'll confirm if it's the one I gave him or not.
You sent me your's before I ever sent you mine plus the fact that you revealed your's to the whole town(whoever was on at the time) when you were challenged earlier.
Ichigo
Kagemusha
02-09-2007, 23:50
Maybe Reenk the invincible God can help :bounce:
Lol!:laugh4:
Reenk Roink
02-09-2007, 23:51
I have been trying to get you lynched? I voted you once because you were being suspiciously quiet. Your the only one who has come out and said that you were a God and I know there was one so I just assumed that you are telling the truth.
I had no reason to post them before that. I only posted them afterwards because you accused me of something that is false and changed one thing in our PM exchange from last night. Your laziness astounds me.
I wasn't on when you posted that. I was in the chat, but not in the Org and Andres kindly told me that you posted something about me so I got on. took me a grand total of 1-2 minutes to post that.
I bet you were. What options? The option to forge part of my PM so that you could try to get me lynched?
That PM is not fake.
Ichigo
Yeah right Ichigo... :rolleyes:
You are now changing your story and just "assumed" I was a God. :rolleyes:
As for the chat thing, I kept looking at your profile. From 16:36 to 16:40, you were listed as "Private Messaging". I had a browser refresh going every couple of seconds. I did not see the last two minutes, cause with 4 minutes under the belt, I knew you were cooking up lies, but it's obvious it took you a bit of time.
To the the fake PM. Gen-Hanky himself (who was skeptical of me) says you forged that "The Axe" PM, and you gave the same one to me.
I have been lazy Ichigo, while you are being a busy little bee. Copy and Paste of PM's doesn't require much work. :wink:
So you have to explain:
1) The at least 4 minute time spent in "Private Messaging".
2) The "the axe" PM which another player in an unrelated incident called fake.
3) You just went ahead and assumed I was the God Loki, although in the PM's (surprisingly, both our versions) you said you "knew the role before I did".
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2007, 23:52
For Christ sake Sasaki, it only means that I can't reply right now.
Sheesh.
I think we do need to hear from GH, from Ichigo, from Andres, and from Reenk a bit more. May not clear things up now, but will probably be useful down the road a bit.
Brillant - I was going to write something similiar but I read yours first.
More information from all four would be very useful toward figuring this out.
Oh by the way Reenk I will apologize for the stupid remark, but the other two comments the apology will have to wait a bit longer.
All respect GH, but if you're busy with other things just say so (like real life, Mafia VI), here's Bern under siege:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1422643&postcount=198
That's only 23:00 today, while this game has been running for a while
Yeah right Ichigo... :rolleyes:
You are now changing your story and just "assumed" I was a God. :rolleyes:
As for the chat thing, I kept looking at your profile. From 16:36 to 16:40, you were listed as "Private Messaging". I had a browser refresh going every couple of seconds. I did not see the last two minutes, cause with 4 minutes under the belt, I knew you were cooking up lies, but it's obvious it took you a bit of time.
To the the fake PM. Gen-Hanky himself (who was skeptical of me) says you forged that "The Axe" PM, and you gave the same one to me.
I have been lazy Ichigo, while you are being a busy little bee. Copy and Paste of PM's doesn't require much work. :wink:
So you have to explain:
1) The at least 4 minute time spent in "Private Messaging".
2) The "the axe" PM which another player in an unrelated incident called fake.
3) You just went ahead and assumed I was the God Loki, although in the PM's (surprisingly, both our versions) you said you "knew the role before I did".
1. Wait wasn't it 11 minutes a while ago?
2.GH I pressume. Well Sasaki pretty much covered that he's been acting strange the entire game. I'de take anything he says into question at this point.
3. Look at your statement "knew the role before I did" I did know the role existed before the game even started. I didn't know who had the role though.
Ichigo
GeneralHankerchief
02-09-2007, 23:57
I have also been preparing a report to give to the Diet (the other players of the PBM) which takes a considerable amount of time, talking to Kage about the situation, and actually playing the game itself.
Please appreciate that the Bern thing is a time-consuming process.
Reenk Roink
02-09-2007, 23:58
1. Wait wasn't it 11 minutes a while ago?
I said it took 11 minutes after my post for yours to show up.
Now, given that you didn't bother to refute my observation...
2.GH I pressume. Well Sasaki pretty much covered that he's been acting strange the entire game. I'de take anything he says into question at this point.
Yup, you would. You've been acting stranger...
PM'ing me, knowing about my role, etc...
Even by your admission, your not "just a townie".
Caught in the lie!
3. Look at your statement "knew the role before I did" I did know the role existed before the game even started. I didn't know who had the role though.
Then you believed me just like that?
Others knew that there could be a divine role(s), but surprisingly, only Sasaki and you were convinced that I was it... :rolleyes:
Kagemusha
02-09-2007, 23:58
All respect GH, but if you're busy with other things just say so (like real life, Mafia VI), here's Bern under siege:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1422643&postcount=198
That's only 23:00 today, while this game has been running for a while
Stig.GH is writing a report for the electors as Emperor, so we can decide what to do with the situation.:smash:
Stig.GH is writing a report for the electors as Emperor, so we can decide what to do with the situation.:smash:
Stig says this:
I don't care, I'm busy from time to time as well, it's not a law to post here
Sasaki however will say this:
Yeah but that's the last hour, the game has been running longer then that
Others knew that there could be a divine role(s), but surprisingly, only Sasaki and you were convinced that I was it... :rolleyes:
I missed that part earlier - I think I would like to hear from Sasaki concerning this particlur statement.
Going to have to go back and re-read parts of the thread again, it seems I missed something critical to the upcoming discussion.
I said it took 11 minutes after my post for yours to show up.
Now, given that you didn't bother to refute my observation...
Yup, you would. You've been acting stranger...
PM'ing me, knowing about my role, etc...
Even by your admission, your not "just a townie".
Caught in the lie!
Then you believed me just like that?
Others knew that there could be a divine role(s), but surprisingly, only Sasaki and you were convinced that I was it... :rolleyes:
Well I wasn't on when you posted I've already said that.
Sigurd let it slip out in the chat about there may be a God role so that's how I knew.
I don't see how I'm caught in a lie.
I did. Who else knew there was divine roles? I see nothing about that in the first post of this game.
Ichigo
Kagemusha
02-10-2007, 00:04
Stig says this:
I don't care, I'm busy from time to time as well, it's not a law to post here
Sasaki however will say this:
Yeah but that's the last hour, the game has been running longer then that
And Kage says that if GH wont write that report that game will stop from rolling and Kage doesnt want that. So i say give GH a break.:smash:
And Kage says that if GH wont write that report that game will stop from rolling and Kage doesnt want that. So i say give GH a break.:smash:
damned I should practise my English, I actually agree with you ... Sasaki however mostlikely won't, seeing his last posts
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 00:06
I missed that part earlier - I think I would like to hear from Sasaki concerning this particlur statement.
Going to have to go back and re-read parts of the thread again, it seems I missed something critical to the upcoming discussion.
I've heard information regarding divine roles.
@GH: being busy means you should have less time to post, but you should still sound like yourself. Funny that you have more time now huh?
Seamus Fermanagh
02-10-2007, 00:17
Seamus,why you left my input completely out of the scenario? Or was it so insignificant?Or am i Sapi?As far as i know im Kander.~;)
Sorry. You are correct. Kage, not Sapi, echoed Sasaki.
You may be sappy from time to time, but I'm kander sorry I bobbled the names -- too many pages of review too quicklyhunting backwards for Reenk's announcement.
GeneralHankerchief
02-10-2007, 00:18
Re: Ichigo thing.
In the chat (yesterday, I think) we were talking about the game and exchanging information. He seemed to be offering a lot of theories about roles which I had no idea even existed before the chat. He was also eager to exchange role PMs. I sent him my townie PM and he sent me that "The Axe" PM currently displayed.
As far as my posting behavior goes, I have several reasons for not posting as much. Illness, for one thing. I have not been 100% since Saturday and today was probably the worst day since Monday. In addition, I've had to keep up with a PBM and real life.
Also Sasaki, please remember that I have not been a townie since Interficio, I believe. So my behaviors (which you state that I have been acting different then) in previous games have all been when I'm mafia. Does that mean I've been acting the same in those?
(Kage, the report is up)
pevergreen
02-10-2007, 00:20
Bah!
I demand proof of your Godliness!
Smite Redleg, and I shall swear fealty to you!
Re: Ichigo thing.
In the chat (yesterday, I think) we were talking about the game and exchanging information. He seemed to be offering a lot of theories about roles which I had no idea even existed before the chat. He was also eager to exchange role PMs. I sent him my townie PM and he sent me that "The Axe" PM currently displayed.
As far as my posting behavior goes, I have several reasons for not posting as much. Illness, for one thing. I have not been 100% since Saturday and today was probably the worst day since Monday. In addition, I've had to keep up with a PBM and real life.
Also Sasaki, please remember that I have not been a townie since Interficio, I believe. So my behaviors (which you state that I have been acting different then) in previous games have all been when I'm mafia. Does that mean I've been acting the same in those?
(Kage, the report is up)
It wasn't yesterday couple days before yesterday I believe.
I only recall telling you there may be a God role somewhere anything more than that I don't believe I said anything about any other roles.
The only other thing I remember telling you is about the numbers and how the Holmgang works I believe.
You seem to be leaving a lot out of what actually was discussed and adding things that I never said.
GeneralHankerchief
02-10-2007, 00:36
You seem to be leaving a lot out of what actually was discussed and adding things that I never said.
The way I remember it, most of the session was spent by us talking about what possible roles there were, their skill in Holmgang, and who possibly was Jotun.
I'm sorry, I can't really remember much else. This is when Prole was there but not really there, right?
The way I remember it, most of the session was spent by us talking about what possible roles there were, their skill in Holmgang, and who possibly was Jotun.
I'm sorry, I can't really remember much else. This is when Prole was there but not really there, right?
Well we were chatting in private so no one else really knows what we said. I don't remember much about the roles other than I said there were lords and champions who would fight in the Holmgang for their Lords and possible stats for their Holmgang abilities.
Proletariat
02-10-2007, 00:42
...I believe.
I only recall...
The only other thing I remember...
Do you remember where you got the notion that God's were involved in this game? Don't skirt that one, it's important. Why does your's and Reenk's version of the PM exchange mention this?
GeneralHankerchief
02-10-2007, 00:43
I was talking privately to Prole about Capo at the same time, I believe.
The one thing I am sure about is that you were the one who proposed a PM exchange, however.
Do you remember where you got the notion that God's were involved in this game? Don't skirt that one, it's important. Why does your's and Reenk's version of the PM exchange mention this?
Sigurd like I said in the PM.
Yes, GH I was the one who proposed it because I wanted to see if you had a Lord because my PM included one and Sasaki said his didn't.
I have no beef with you. I knew your role before you even knew it existed
Sigurd like I said in the PM.
So Sigurd told you explicitly that Reenk was Loki?
Do you really think I believe that?:inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 00:59
hmm Ichi when did GH send you the townie pm? Did anyone send their pm to GH?
Pending an answer, I'm going to go find a new suspect.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 01:00
So Sigurd told you explicitly that Reenk was Loki?
Do you really think I believe that?:inquisitive:
Sigurd said there were gods. So a claim of god is believable.
So Sigurd told you explicitly that Reenk was Loki?
Do you really think I believe that?:inquisitive:
Please reread the PM. I didn't know who had the role, but I knew it existed.
hmm Ichi when did GH send you the townie pm? Did anyone send their pm to GH?
Pending an answer, I'm going to go find a new suspect.
02-07-2007 FW: The Midgard Saga
16:24
GeneralHankerchief
02-10-2007, 01:08
The only person I sent my PM was Ichigo.
I posted it publicly a few days ago but retracted it due to advice from others several minutes after it was posted. The only people I am sure who saw that was Ichigo and Motep.
I have not asked anyone, or received anyone else's PMs.
Bah!
I demand proof of your Godliness!
Smite Redleg, and I shall swear fealty to you!
Why do you want a jarl smited - is this because you are a jotun?
Please reread the PM. I didn't know who had the role, but I knew it existed.
And that automatically makes you innocent?
You seem to be so sure about that and your tone sounds a bit superior, that's why I'm inclined to believe Reenk instead of you.
Sigurd said there were gods. So a claim of god is believable.
He mentioned them as part of the story, but not as roles IIRC.
Our little Ichi here seems to have more proof of Loki being a god than that.
So he either is a god himself or received the info as part of his Jotun PM, that's how I see it.
pevergreen
02-10-2007, 01:13
Why do you want a jarl smited - is this because you are a jotun?
Because I am not entirely sure you are a jarl.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 01:14
Hmm certain coincidences are too much to be mere coincidences. Reenk is either a Jotun or working for the jotun. He's our best lynch.
And that automatically makes you innocent?
You seem to be so sure about that and your tone sounds a bit superior, that's why I'm inclined to believe Reenk instead of you.
He mentioned them as part of the story, but not as roles IIRC.
Our little Ichi here seems to have more proof of Loki being a god than that.
So he either is a god himself or received the info as part of his Jotun PM, that's how I see it.
No, whoever said that. Your trying to use things against me that I have clearly stated in that PM and in this thread more than once. I am sure about what I have stated if that makes me seem arrogant then fine.
Neither are correct you've seen my PM. Like I said I knew it because Sigurd said it in the chat.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 01:22
@Andres - from my reading of the information there are no clan victories, only a townie one.
(i'm guessing this as pretty much everyone, even those who claim clan affiliations, have reported seeing human in their pms)
This sounds off to me. It doesn't sound like you had "human" in your pm. Also, surely there is something to go on now? Why haven't you posted?
No, whoever said that. Your trying to use things against me that I have clearly stated in that PM and in this thread more than once. I am sure about what I have stated if that makes me seem arrogant then fine.
Neither are correct you've seen my PM. Like I said I knew it because Sigurd said it in the chat.
So if Reenk is a Jotun, why such a fake reveal out of nowhere?
And if he is Loki and works for them, same question.
Why should he reveal instead of just challenging townies?
So if Reenk is a Jotun, why such a fake reveal out of nowhere?
And if he is Loki and works for them, same question.
Why should he reveal instead of just challenging townies?
When did I ever say his God reveal was fake?
When did I ever say his God reveal was fake?
Try to read beyond the first sentence, there are actually a second and a third.~;)
Try to read beyond the first sentence, there are actually a second and a third.~;)
Well he is Loki, it should be obvious.
Well he is Loki, it should be obvious.
Didn't you want him lynched?
I can't be bothered to search for a post indicating that, it was just in the back of my mind.
I'd rather lynch a Jotun than some chaos god, as others already posted, we give Reenk a whole lot of credit and thus make his role, if it is true, worthwhile.
Why don't we just ignore him and focus on getting the Jotun?
If we go on with not getting any Jotun, Reenk is more likely to join them, we can of course lynch him now, but that won't hurt the Jotun, yet.
Because I am not entirely sure you are a jarl.
Hmm - well I am becoming sure that you are more then likely a jotun or some other evil being.
Another likely candidate for the lynch.
Well since Odin came to me in my sleep, I have decided to apologize to Loki aka Reenk for asking him to prove his claim by shooting fireballs from his rearend. I will also apologize for saying that he was touched in the head.
It seems that in reading the thread that others are willing to state that Reenk is indeed what he claims, and I will keep my council on what I think about that claim to myself until events and actions prove otherwise.
This sounds off to me. It doesn't sound like you had "human" in your pm. Also, surely there is something to go on now? Why haven't you posted?
rl, unfortunately.
I didn't get home until 10pm last night, and didnt' feel like wading through 5 pages of this at the time.
:focus:
Now, though, i'm starting to be sceptical about Reenek, as others are.
He's likely to be my vote for the lynch unless he can come up with some actual proof of his role (perhaps by joining the town if he is Loki?) :inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 02:55
rl, unfortunately.
I didn't get home until 10pm last night, and didnt' feel like wading through 5 pages of this at the time.
:focus:
Now, though, i'm starting to be sceptical about Reenek, as others are.
He's likely to be my vote for the lynch unless he can come up with some actual proof of his role (perhaps by joining the town if he is Loki?) :inquisitive:
Weird weird weird!
But maybe all your posts are weird.
Didn't you want him lynched?
I can't be bothered to search for a post indicating that, it was just in the back of my mind.
I'd rather lynch a Jotun than some chaos god, as others already posted, we give Reenk a whole lot of credit and thus make his role, if it is true, worthwhile.
Why don't we just ignore him and focus on getting the Jotun?
If we go on with not getting any Jotun, Reenk is more likely to join them, we can of course lynch him now, but that won't hurt the Jotun, yet.
If he refuses to help the town then yes he should be lynched.
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 02:57
Redleg: :shakehands: I'm a nice person in real life. I feed bunnies.
To those who ask for proof: I revealed my role when there was no necessity. I have given a copy of my PM. I have told who which Jotun contacted me. I have gotten Holmgang scores right. I cannot do much more in way of proof.
On Ichigo: If you believe my version of events, he is a clear Jotun. If you believe his version, he is still suspicious, and not "just a townie" as he claims, as he clearly had special information about me from the start.
I ask for a shot at Ichigo. Please nobody make any challenges so I can do this. I want to take him to the pavement, and the write up should show my clear superiority in Holmgang fights as I will have him dead before he touches the ground. After that, you may lynch me.
Think about it:
You free up a valuable lynch against Ichigo, who anyway you look at it, is suspicious.
You let me offer a little more "proof" for my role.
I will even vote for myself if you want me to.
I have played these games for awhile. I have been a Mafia before. I am a risky player, but I would never go out and be so flamboyant as I am now. My role is clear, and I am just playing it.
Think on this.
Redleg: :shakehands: I'm a nice person in real life. I feed bunnies.
To those who ask for proof: I revealed my role when there was no necessity. I have given a copy of my PM. I have told who which Jotun contacted me. I have gotten Holmgang scores right. I cannot do much more in way of proof.
On Ichigo: If you believe my version of events, he is a clear Jotun. If you believe his version, he is still suspicious, and not "just a townie" as he claims, as he clearly had special information about me from the start.
I ask for a shot at Ichigo. Please nobody make any challenges so I can do this. I want to take him to the pavement, and the write up should show my clear superiority in Holmgang fights as I will have him dead before he touches the ground. After that, you may lynch me.
Think about it:
You free up a valuable lynch against Ichigo, who anyway you look at it, is suspicious.
You let me offer a little more "proof" for my role.
I will even vote for myself if you want me to.
I have played these games for awhile. I have been a Mafia before. I am a risky player, but I would never go out and be so flamboyant as I am now. My role is clear, and I am just playing it.
Think on this.
Yes, your role to spread chaos throughout the town RR? The only reason I am suspicious is because you decided to fake one part of our PM exchange and try to make it look like I was a Jotun.
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 03:08
Yes, your role to spread chaos throughout the town RR? The only reason I am suspicious is because you decided to fake one part of our PM exchange and try to make it look like I was a Jotun.
Don't even start.
I'm after you because you betrayed me and thought you could outsmart me.
That you happen to be Jotun is just a favorable coincidence for the town...
Weird weird weird!
But maybe all your posts are weird.
The best way to avoid people reading your intentions is to have no pattern to your posting habits :yes:
You free up a valuable lynch against Ichigo, who anyway you look at it, is suspicious.
You let me offer a little more "proof" for my role.
I will even vote for myself if you want me to.
Think on this.
If the write up demonstrates that you are godlike I will take that as proof that you are what you claim. No need to get into lynch voting promises until the lynch issue presents itself after the next holmgang.
Especially if given the writeup or the followup by the esteem host validates your accusation that Ichigo is one of the evil jotun
We still have the current night phase and holmgang to get through. And then the next day lynch.
As far as I am concerned you have bought yourself some time to validate your claim of being Loki. Time to move on to other arguements for me.
I am beginning to wonder about pevergreen wanting me smited by you after I claimed I was a jarl. Now not wanting to believe my stance is one thing - but activitily seeking me to be smited by the gods for my disbelief - hmm, makes me wonder about what side pevergreen is on.
Thoughts of the audience. Should I provide futher proof of my role? Or should we pursue why pevergreen desires my death by smitting?
Or for that manner why would I reveal I am a jarl if that was not truely the case. By making such a claim I open myself up for targeting by the jotun. Now why some might take this as an error. I don't believe so. To feret out the jotun is our goal in this gathering of nobles and warriors - so in order to do so, at least one lord must be willing to stand up and be the target for the evil ones that hide in our midst.
Now pevergreen claims his only reason was because he did not believe my claim, but that seems a weak reason to demand of a god a smiting for exchange of loyality. Rather interesting don't you think? Did pevergreen make a costly mistake with his demand?
CountArach
02-10-2007, 03:47
Woah! A lot to catch up on!
I think I trust Reenk Roink in saying that he is a God, it just seems like an odd role to make up. I would say that his role is legitimate. Also having the High Holmgang stat would make a lot of sense.
However, I also am not sure of his intentions. I don't think he is working with the town. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I say we lynch him when we can.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 04:56
The best way to avoid people reading your intentions is to have no pattern to your posting habits :yes:
Yeah, you'll be getting my vote tomorrow.
Only scum don't want other people to get a read on them. Townies strive to be open, it's there most important duty.
GeneralHankerchief
02-10-2007, 05:11
Only scum don't want other people to get a read on them.
Or townies thinking ahead to when they actually become scum so it's considered normal behavior from them. :yes:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-10-2007, 05:14
I agree with Sasaki to this extent: Sapi is playing the classic "involved lurker." I do not have the baseline sense of his style that I do with the others, but an "involved lurker" (few posts, tone earnest, not decisive in lynch votes, etc.) is a classic stance for an "active" role.
To be sure, we have those for whom this is their normal style -- Prole for example -- but she also has a track record of this style regardless of role.
Sasaki got GH to spill some useful info. I agree with Sasaki that GH is less of a perceived threat at this juncture.
Redleg is right about one issue. Claiming Jarl status -- and implicitly a holmgang score that is a threat to unmorphed jotuns -- does paint a bit of a target on his back. This strikes me as very unlikely for a jotun. A townie might pretend (especially if they had a doctor friend) to draw fire -- but a mafioso would only do this if he believed he could pull off that stance for the whole game -- possible, but very "high wire" a style for mafia play. This signals, for me, a tentative belief in Jarl Redleg's status.
This makes his question of pevergreen all the more telling.
We have Ichi on the suspicion list (and possibly Andres with him) according to Reenk. If Reenk's right he's collecting roles and playing with people like Sasaki did in Capo. Not a sure mafia label, but that's the way to bet
-- or --
if Reenk is lying he's lying about everything and just playing at godhood. This is not as unlikely as it sounds. Loki is hardly an unknown quality in the Norse mythos -- picking him as a player in this little saga game would be a risky but not unreasoned strategy to false flag with. Reenk certainly has the brass _____ to try it.
For now, I think Reenk is our fallback for a lynch, not the primary. If he's given us one jotun, he's demonstrated some value. Trusting Loki is, as Ichigo says, a losing proposition though. We need to tread carefully.
I'd like to hear from pevergreen and andres and Tom -- I can't wait to get my sword out -- Hagen. Or perhaps its a hammer?:inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 05:16
Or townies thinking ahead to when they actually become scum so it's considered normal behavior from them. :yes:
= not a true townie
Don't even start.
I'm after you because you betrayed me and thought you could outsmart me.
That you happen to be Jotun is just a favorable coincidence for the town...
What? Don't start because it's the truth?
You brought all this on yourself, you will soon be trapped by all your lies.
I'm not Jotun.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1416542&postcount=62
Yeah, you'll be getting my vote tomorrow.Why thank you. I've always wanted to be voted for :idea2:
Seriously, you'll be wasting your vote. I urge you to reconsider...
Only scum don't want other people to get a read on them. Townies strive to be open, it's there most important duty.
Two points:
1. This is how i play. Get used to it - it's not going to change, in any games
2. Consistency is the key. If i were to play in a different way when i was a townie, i'd stand out if i ever got a 'baddie' role.
I'd like to hear from pevergreen
:yes:
He's not usually this quiet...
CountArach
02-10-2007, 06:17
Inded, Pevergreen does seem to be a lot more silent than usual.
What say you Green...? Or Pever, whichever you prefer... Why did you want Redleg smited? Smitten... whatever...
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 06:18
Why thank you. I've always wanted to be voted for :idea2:
Seriously, you'll be wasting your vote. I urge you to reconsider...
Two points:
1. This is how i play. Get used to it - it's not going to change, in any games
2. Consistency is the key. If i were to play in a different way when i was a townie, i'd stand out if i ever got a 'baddie' role.
No, you pretend to be town when mafia not pretend to be mafia when town. Essentially you're saying you only signed up on the hopes of being mafia? Being townie is as much fun as being mafia, give it a try. You'll always be a backup lynch in any game, and if I was vig I'd kill you night one. The town has no use for townies who want to be mafia.
Also, any town worth its salt will make you post or lynch you. Ask disco how it worked out in Mafia IV.
No, you pretend to be town when mafia not pretend to be mafia when town. Essentially you're saying you only signed up on the hopes of being mafia? Being townie is as much fun as being mafia, give it a try. You'll always be a backup lynch in any game, and if I was vig I'd kill you night one. The town has no use for townies who want to be mafia.
Also, any town worth its salt will make you post or lynch you. Ask disco how it worked out in Mafia IV.
You have to remember Sasaki that most people play these games just to try to be mafia.
No, you pretend to be town when mafia not pretend to be mafia when town. Essentially you're saying you only signed up on the hopes of being mafia? Being townie is as much fun as being mafia, give it a try. You'll always be a backup lynch in any game, and if I was vig I'd kill you night one. The town has no use for townies who want to be mafia.
Also, any town worth its salt will make you post or lynch you. Ask disco how it worked out in Mafia IV.
I don't know where you get the impression that i want to be a mafia :dizzy2:
I play as i do here for the same reason that i avoid the backroom - i don't have the time for long discussions.
I am here to help the town, but i don't like to stir up suspicions for no reason.
If i have one, i will always post it.
Simple.
Redleg you left me all alone. :shame:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 07:03
I don't know where you get the impression that i want to be a mafia :dizzy2:
I play as i do here for the same reason that i avoid the backroom - i don't have the time for long discussions.
I am here to help the town, but i don't like to stir up suspicions for no reason.
If i have one, i will always post it.
Simple.
You said you were going to compromise being townie in order to make it easier on yourself as mafia.
The game is a time commitment. It really doesn't require more than 20-30 minutes a day though. A few posts here and there, adding your thoughts. What are your thoughts on Reenk and his accusation of Ichigo?
You have to remember Sasaki that most people play these games just to try to be mafia.
Should be discouraged. Townie is just as much fun if you take an active part. There's no mystery when you are mafia.
Should be discouraged. Townie is just as much fun if you take an active part. There's no mystery when you are mafia.
Was that directed at me?
You said you were going to compromise being townie in order to make it easier on yourself as mafia.No, i said that i find it easier to play in a certain way no matter what my role is.
The game is a time commitment. It really doesn't require more than 20-30 minutes a day though. A few posts here and there, adding your thoughts.I would - if i didn't have to check the thread at what is the middle of the night for you. One post/day is usually all i can manage.
What are your thoughts on Reenk and his accusation of Ichigo?They're both just accusing each other.
Until someone else supports one of their stories or more info is given at the end of the next phase, i don't think we can tell much about either of them, though Ichigo did seem to take offense from your last post that i don't believe that i would have if i was completely innocent...
Redleg you left me all alone. :shame:
Sorry - I thought you were away.
Until someone else supports one of their stories or more info is given at the end of the next phase, i don't think we can tell much about either of them, though Ichigo did seem to take offense from your last post that i don't believe that i would have if i was completely innocent...
Accuse me will you! https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1058/emotarghbr6.gif
All kidding aside I was just asking if it was directed at me. Sasaki has yet to attack me in anyway which is weird for him.
:laugh4:
I don't think anyone will ever stop analysing Sasaki's actions, and that's part of his strategy.
Being completely unpredictable serves to hide when you slip up.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-10-2007, 08:40
Guys, at Ragnarok, the Norse end of the world, according to the legends, Loki will fight on the side of the giants, against the Gods and champions, and what are Jotun may I ask?
Sorry guys....
I am missing some PMs and I just realised that my pm box was full.... (I have emptied it 2 times already in this game)
I was about to post the results of last night....
I shall wait until all get a chance to pm me.
Sigurd
Dutch_guy
02-10-2007, 14:16
I've got a lot of reading to do, so it seems...
5 pages of new information, :dizzy2:
:balloon2:
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/RuneStone4_1.jpg
Round 3
As the evening approached and two new pyres lay smouldering at the beach, there was again a little disturbance in the throng of men.
Several people were arguing about the lack of commitment that the others had displayed at rooting out the Jotun from amongst them.
The old man had to step into the middle again and settle the dispute. Two men were chosen; one from each side of the dispute. The circle was made and the two combatants picket their weapon of choice. Blades again.
Lord Motep a big fellow with battle scars was up against Orb a younger fellow with a keen spirit and an easy foot.
The young man started with a flurry of movements that would impress any girl in most of the towns in Midgard. He had really practised it seemed like. Lord Motep simply put a foot in front of another and sank down in a battle position. He did not pull his sword from his scabbard but just put his hand on the hilt.
Orb finally attacked and Lord Motep dodged most trusts and lashes that were thrown at him; but the young man was nearly as good as his early performance and got in two minor cuts and a serious slash on Lord Motep’s left arm. Lord Motep drew his sword and cut deep into the knee of the younger fellow with a downward slash. As Orb’s body started falling to the ground, Lord Motep made his second move in this well known combination and gutted the poor youngster with an upward slash. The cut was so powerful that it opened the entire torso from the family jewels to the throat. Some of the people in the crowd gasped and others nodded with approval.
Lord Motep sheathed his sword and tied a rag around his arm wound. The life soon ebbed out of Orb and he found himself shrouded in darkness.
The quarrel had lost its wind with this Holmgang and people moved towards their camps.
A shadow approached the tent Orb usually slept in, it opened a little bag it had in its hand and threw it into the tent. Quickly the shadow made way into hiding again while something crawled out of the bag. The poisonous Utgard Adder found an empty sleeping mat and crept under it. It found some warmth there and coiled itself up and dosed off to dream world.
ByzantineKnight was awake. He really wanted a lynching this afternoon and had prepared himself to see someone die. He was really disappointed when the old man had announced that no one would be executed.
Suddenly a shadow entered his tent:
“Who are you and what are you doing?” Screamed ByzantineKnight.
“That’s none of your business.” The shadow rumbled. ByzantineKnight froze hearing that voice. It was nightmares come true.
The Shadow smiled and white fangs lit up the tent. It moved with an unnatural speed and a dagger was hurled into the throat of ByzantineKnight. ByzantineKnight tried to scream, but couldn’t. He slowly bled to death. As he closed his eyes he felt wind in his hair and a scent of flowers. A female voice exclaimed: “Welcome handsome”.
Tally:
Murdered (4):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Killed in Holmgang (2):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Still Alive (26):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Discovery1
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
JimBob
Kagemusha
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
Proletariat
Redleg
Reenk Roink
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo
Stig
Tom Hagen
Warluster
Voting ends in 24 Hours.... (10:00 am Eastern/ 16:00 GMT+1)
PS: Vote to lynch not to generate another 5 pages of discussion :wall:
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 16:33
What? Don't start because it's the truth?
You brought all this on yourself, you will soon be trapped by all your lies.
I'm not Jotun.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1416542&postcount=62
More inconsistency, and I get called out for lying... :rolleyes:
Ok, Jotun, claiming to be Golden God and War Veteran, it's on.
Face the power of Loki!
Vote: Abstain (courteously) :bow:
...and in the future...
Challenge: Ichigo :2thumbsup: :duel: :charge:
Vote:pevergreen
For wanting Loki to smit me in exchange for loyality to a god.
The challenges will not be considered until after the Lynching...
try again this time tomorrow :beam:
Also...
I saw some votes during the night phase... They will not be counted. Vote again now to make them count (Andres).
GeneralHankerchief
02-10-2007, 16:58
Well, that was a lucky break. If I read it right, that means the Jotun attacked the same person killed in Holmgang (Orb). Not very smart of them, which draws me to people that haven't been around for a while.
I doubt it's pevergreen, when he's mafia he's usually quite active. Maybe this is his normal townie behavior but don't know it yet.
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
My vote stays with you until you explain why you voted for me in Round 1.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-10-2007, 17:09
Vote: Reenk Roink
Saying you are Loki, Reenk, has made me want to vote for you. Loki married a giant and will fight with the giants.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 17:59
though Ichigo did seem to take offense from your last post that i don't believe that i would have if i was completely innocent...
:stare: :stare: :stare:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 18:00
I'm going to Vote:Reenk Roink for now.
Let's make sure we get him up to a decent amount of votes before talking about other things. We need to start lynching people.
I will also vote Reenk, not because I'm bandwagoning, but simply because Reenk isn't being helpfull
Vote: Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
02-10-2007, 18:58
GH - I put my reason for voting for you originally in my post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1417874&postcount=138
For my honor:
unvote: Ichigo
vote: GH
And because he's one to try a frame on a chatroom comrade.
CR
You were one of the people who might have framed discovery. Simple, really, considering what we had to go on at the time. You, strangely, will not let it go and keep voting for me, round after round. :inquisitive:
I will vote: Discovery to urge some more discussion out of him.
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 19:20
Disco is one of my suspects too.
Don Corleone
02-10-2007, 19:54
Well, I'm not going to clutter up the thread. I am a simple warrior, and I live by a simple code. My gut, my axe and my honor all tell me to....
Vote: Omanes
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 20:09
Wow, you guys are just great. I just asked for one shot at Ichigo.
Time to expose some poor arguments:
Sasaki Kojiro is always the manipulator. He went from believing me with his "instincts of steel" to now thinking me a Jotun... :rolleyes:
You're going to have to kill him in this game, he is always threat unless proven innocent by a detective type role. Even if he is innocent, he causes terrible problems for the town with his pestering arguments which make up for their logical poverty by volume.
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, I'm afraid that is the most ridiculous reason to vote for anyone. By the way, next turn we should lynch the Jarls because they are warlords who rape and pillage... :rolleyes:
Stig - bandwagon - voting because I "irritated" him and because I'm "not helpful" although I just gave the name of the Jotun all the townies so badly wanted... :rolleyes:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 20:16
Sasaki Kojiro is always the manipulator. He went from believing me with his "instincts of steel" to now thinking me a Jotun... :rolleyes:
You're going to have to kill him in this game, he is always threat unless proven innocent by a detective type role. Even if he is innocent, he causes terrible problems for the town with his pestering arguments which make up for their logical poverty by volume.
Yes, you and your Jotun buddies seem to want Ichigo and I out of the picture. I wonder why? I'm guessing they are worried about being revealed through discussion, but whether that's because they are lurkers or know from past experience I haven't yet determined.
The instincts comment was a joke, but, you have been very predictable. I knew as soon as you said "I've been contacted by one of the Jotun" that you were going to try and frame somebody.
It seems you haven't managed to cause much chaos at all, just got yourself lynched ~:wave:
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 20:24
Yes, you and your Jotun buddies seem to want Ichigo and I out of the picture. I wonder why? I'm guessing they are worried about being revealed through discussion, but whether that's because they are lurkers or know from past experience I haven't yet determined.
The instincts comment was a joke, but, you have been very predictable. I knew as soon as you said "I've been contacted by one of the Jotun" that you were going to try and frame somebody.
It seems you haven't managed to cause much chaos at all, just got yourself lynched ~:wave:
Yup, I come out and say I'm a Chaos God though people have been ignoring me.
Ichigo, who obviously hasn't gotten his story straight yet, tries to play me and I expose him.
You become is biggest supporter, attacking everyone that attacks him.
...but you call me the Jotun...
Your logical poverty is exposed... :rolleyes:
Even if I don't get my shot at Ichigo, he is exposed. Sooner or later he will be lynched as well, and the Jotun lose a man.
Also, Sigurd has just told me that I do not need to live to win:
I want to ask:
Seeing as I'm going to die in the game (my role basically guarantees it), if I send you my PM and die within less than two rounds, does it still count?
Yes
As long as you send me that Pm two rounds before the game ends...
Meaning:
if the game lasts 7 rounds you should be good if you send that pm in round 5.
Why have I been telling you guys that I am not afraid of death?
Jotun can't harm me. Lynches become irrelevant to my role.
I just wanted to kill Ichigo.
I'll tell you this, I hounded AggonyDuck since Mafia 3. I killed him as a vigilante (remarkably, he turned out to be Mafia), I voted against him fervently, and I killed him as Mafia.
The same future is coming towards you Ichigo... :wink:
By the way townies, if you think it is wise to kill me because I cause chaos, your next target is naturally Sasaki Kojiro.
Also:
Vote: Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Stig - bandwagon - voting because I "irritated" him and because I'm "not helpful" although I just gave the name of the Jotun all the townies so badly wanted...
I already announced that I was going to vote you this night fase. As I said you're not helping town, the change that you're talking the truth is 50% and you can still join the Jotun.
CountArach
02-10-2007, 21:23
As I said during the night, I believe that you are the God Reenk, however I do not believe it is in the town's best interestes to keep you around.
Vote: Reenk Roink
I'de rather not fight a God.
Vote:Reenk Roink
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 21:45
I'de rather not fight a God.
Vote:Reenk Roink
Wussy...
Wussy...
Yes, a typical response. I won't fight with a liar.
Warluster
02-10-2007, 21:47
I just noticed this thread in the jumble of my User CP.
From what i have seen so far, the proof that Reenk is an god is a lot. But there is also a lot of stuff saying he is guilty. The amount of guilty evidence over weighs the amount of innocent evidence. SO I say-
Vote: Reenk Roink
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 21:49
Yes, a typical response. I won't fight with a liar.
I will hunt you down in every other Mafia game until I have my vengeance.
Don't think you got away Jotun, you've been exposed. You'll be lynched shortly. You're the liar. You never even could keep one straight story... :laugh4:
I will hunt you down in every other Mafia game until I have my vengeance.
Don't think you got away Jotun, you've been exposed. You'll be lynched shortly. You're the liar. You never even could keep one straight story... :laugh4:
It's sad that you would carry this over to other games.
I really have no reason to believe anything you say. I don't know where my story isn't straight at, would you be kind enough to point it out for me?:dizzy2:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-10-2007, 22:02
Reenk, since when was chaos good for the town?
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 22:26
It's sad that you would carry this over to other games.
I really have no reason to believe anything you say. I don't know where my story isn't straight at, would you be kind enough to point it out for me?:dizzy2:
"I'm a Jotun"
"I'm a Golden God"
"I'm a War Veteran"
"I'm sure Reenk's a God"
"I assumed he was a God"
:rolleyes:
I always carry over stuff to other games Csar, don't get sad... :laugh4:
Warluster
02-10-2007, 22:27
Since when was chaos good for the town?
True, very true, if we lynch him then we would not have further chaos later. And an clearer path to work on. But we would be wasting precious days where we could be lynching Jotun suspects, but we have no major jotun suspects yet, so i say we lynch Reenk Roink.
"I'm a Jotun"
"I'm a Golden God"
"I'm a War Veteran"
"I'm sure Reenk's a God"
"I assumed he was a God"
:rolleyes:
I always carry over stuff to other games Csar, don't get sad... :laugh4:
That's was never said by me
That was a joke, but also hinting that there maybe a God role floating around somewhere.
Tis my role. I doubt I could make up a role that I'm sure other people have.
You are a God, are you not?
One must always be sure when guessing RR?
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 22:33
True, very true, if we lynch him then we would not have further chaos later. And an clearer path to work on. But we would be wasting precious days where we could be lynching Jotun suspects, but we have no major jotun suspects yet, so i say we lynch Reenk Roink.
Um... Ichigo? :wall:
I know you may not believe me as my reputation precedes me, but after I'm gone, you'll be looking for another lynch, and Ichigo will be right there...
Enjoy you brief time Ichigo... :rolleyes:
GeneralHankerchief
02-10-2007, 22:33
Re: Rabbit. Sorry, didn't see that. You are forgiven.
Now, as far as Reenk goes, I'm starting to suspect him. Reason: Most of his "excuses" sound a lot like his Detective reveal in Mafia V, which, if you can remember, was false.
There isn't much to go on, but his main defense ("see what I did? Is this common for a fake reveal?") reminds me just a little bit too much of Mafia V. Sorry if I'm wrong, buddy.
Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Reenk Roink
Warluster
02-10-2007, 22:34
Um... Ichigo? :wall:
No, not I didn't mean ichigo, if you read the whole post you will se i meant you
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 22:35
Re: Rabbit. Sorry, didn't see that. You are forgiven.
Now, as far as Reenk goes, I'm starting to suspect him. Reason: Most of his "excuses" sound a lot like his Detective reveal in Mafia V, which, if you can remember, was false.
There isn't much to go on, but his main defense ("see what I did? Is this common for a fake reveal?") reminds me just a little bit too much of Mafia V. Sorry if I'm wrong, buddy.
Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Reenk Roink
Dude, you're kicking when I'm already down... :no: :shame:
All I did was play my role, I should have never given the town the Jotun's name. I should have just Holmganged you first Ichigo...
Warluster
02-10-2007, 22:38
Well Reenk, if you really were Loki then you would cause Chaos, and not let us concentrate on cacthing Jotun
If you are not a god you are still causing chaos, and it would help the town becuase we could concentrate on cathing Jotun.
So either way, you are causing chaos and trouble.
Dude, you're kicking when I'm already down... :no: :shame:
All I did was play my role, I should have never given the town the Jotun's name. I should have just Holmganged you first Ichigo...
You could of, why didn't you Reenk?
GeneralHankerchief
02-10-2007, 22:57
You can't lie that the connection is there.
I revealed my role when there was no necessity. I have given a copy of my PM. I have told who which Jotun contacted me. I have gotten Holmgang scores right. I cannot do much more in way of proof.
1) Look at the spellings. They are European, at least for the Wanax.
2) Both Mafia's use quotations like standard English. They embed punctuation within the quotes. I think that this is a stupid rule, and I keep punctuation outside of the quotes.
~~~~~~~~~~
I revealed my role when there was no necessity.
Sorry, but I am utilizing GH's new realism system. I sent my PM in early, after GH said that there would be no tie break, and he would check the thread in the morning. Once I got word that Sigurd was innocent, I decided to reveal.
~~~~~~~~~~~
Sasaki Kojiro is always the manipulator. He went from believing me with his "instincts of steel" to now thinking me a Jotun...
Isn't is quite odd how Sasaki Kojiro has been so content to accept me for who I am even though I am being so cryptic and suspicious?
The fact is that Sasaki is like a rabid dog at times. He simply does not let up. The past 30 posts have been him zealously trying to make me get killed. He dismisses any evidence or argument I give immediately, because he has already made his mind up about me. In fact, any suspicious slip I may have is due to Sasaki. I now regret removing those screenshots because it is another excuse for him to accuse me. Doesn't it seem weird to you that he is even more certain than Kommodus about my guilt?
But Sasaki will not stop with me. Another one of you will soon become his target, and he will hysterically post against you. Look at his most recent evidence against me, "similar is is not?". For God's sake, that can be done to anyone.
Frankly, Sasaki is the most dangerous threat to the villagers. He ruthlessly makes cases against innocents, starts bandwagons, and makes the weaker argument, stronger.
~~~~~~~~
It seems as if you repeat yourself when guilty, Loki. :yes:
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 23:08
In Mafia V, I revealed as detective after Kommodus said I was a good pick as Mafia.
In Rise of the Mob, I PM'd Sasaki that I was doctor after Sigurd said I was a good pick as Mafia.
What did I do again in this game?
You got no case...
GeneralHankerchief
02-10-2007, 23:14
Right, but you're an experienced player, and a self-described "risk taker." That's probably the one variable you changed so you could point it out when people attacked you for it. Hell, I was planning on doing the exact same thing and using the exact same excuse the next time I was mafia. But you beat me to it.
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 23:16
Right, but you're an experienced player, and a self-described "risk taker." That's probably the one variable you changed so you could point it out when people attacked you for it. Hell, I was planning on doing the exact same thing and using the exact same excuse the next time I was mafia. But you beat me to it.
No, going out and claiming you are a God of Chaos is not a risk any sane Mafia would do. It is so random and so incredibly risky, you would have an impossible time trying to argue that you can't be Mafia because you're too crazy.
The only reason I went out and did this is because:
1) It's my role.
2) Jotun Ichigo contacted me.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-10-2007, 23:31
Uh, who's claiming you are mafia? We've been saying you are working for the mafia in which case it's no big deal if you get lynched as you said yourself.
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 23:41
Uh, who's claiming you are mafia? We've been saying you are working for the mafia in which case it's no big deal if you get lynched as you said yourself.
You said I was Jotun or working for the Jotun... :rolleyes: Of course, with no proof for either.
Anyway, I was talking with Gen-Hanky and would appreciate it if you didn't address me because I really don't like the reckless way you accuse people. At least I have a role to cause chaos... :rolleyes:
Now, Gen, first you said I was suspicious because there was a connection. Now you say that I'm suspicious because there is a difference. That's almost as wishy washy as Ichigo's fables... :laugh4:
This is a Sasaki Kojiro argument right here, and I'm afraid the form is invalid... :wink:
Don't worry though, I know the real reason you were so quick to vote for me even though it's already been said and done is because you want to fit in among the crowd. The recent attention you've attracted is a little bit too much for comfort, and ol' Reenk as scapegoat is a nice remedy... :wink:
Special Note: Actually, for the logicians out there, the argument GeneralHankerchief is using against me is valid. It is a constructive dilemma with the form:
1) (if p then q) and (if r then s)
2) p or r
C) so q or s
However, dilemma arguments like this are kind of cheap, and easily escaped through the horns as it is controversial that being a Jotun follows from any of the antecedents.
You said I was Jotun or working for the Jotun... :rolleyes: Of course, with no proof for either.
Anyway, I was talking with Gen-Hanky and would appreciate it if you didn't address me because I really don't like the reckless way you accuse people. At least I have a role to cause chaos... :rolleyes:
Now, Gen, first you said I was suspicious because there was a connection. Now you say that I'm suspicious because there is a difference. That's almost as wishy washy as Ichigo's fables... :laugh4:
This is a Sasaki Kojiro argument right here, and I'm afraid the form is invalid... :wink:
Don't worry though, I know the real reason you were so quick to vote for me even though it's already been said and done is because you want to fit in among the crowd. The recent attention you've attracted is a little bit too much for comfort, and ol' Reenk as scapegoat is a nice remedy... :wink:
Please don't address me anymore.
Ichigo
GeneralHankerchief
02-10-2007, 23:49
Now, Gen, first you said I was suspicious because there was a connection. Now you say that I'm suspicious because there is a difference.
That's probably the one variable you changed so you could point it out when people attacked you for it.
:yes:
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 23:49
Please don't address me anymore.
Ichigo
You contacted me Jotun. I think this is true in your false side of the story as well... :wink:
:yes:
See above post.
You contacted me Jotun. I think this is true in your false side of the story as well... :wink:
See above post.
You screwed yourself, and now your trying to pawn it all off on me with fake accusations and fake PM's. I won't be bothered with it anymore.
Reenk Roink
02-10-2007, 23:55
You screwed yourself, and now your trying to pawn it all off on me with fake accusations and fake PM's. I won't be bothered with it anymore.
I don't think anyone's lynching me because I (correctly) accused you Jotun. It's because of my "God of Chaos" thing. Don't think too highly of yourself in this.
As for me, you can just click ignore.
pevergreen
02-10-2007, 23:59
:laugh4:
Don't kill a god!
Or is he a god...:inquisitive:
discovery1
02-11-2007, 00:01
Vote: Reenk Roink
Someone who gets his jollies by spreading confusion can't be good for the town.
@ Crazed Rabbit: uhh.. here have a cookie. And I need food.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-11-2007, 00:38
HEAR MY WORDS MORTALS:
1. Vote: Discovery1. His posting pattern does not fit his usual teasing style. He's being far too businesslike. I believe that the Wascally Wabbit is onto something. pevergreen should start talking as well.
2. You will not lynch Loki -- calling himself Reenk Roink in this mortal guise. He is mine. I will bring him before the old man and let my blade speak truth. I do not know how that cur keeps slipping from his prison to assume mortal guise, but my search is ended and I will take the head off this mortal shell and send his black soul back to that prison. Maybe his jotun-bitch will visit him there -- if even she can stand the sight of him. I, Heimdall, have spoken.
Because I know you'll ask:
The Midgard Saga
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Æsir
Heimdall: The God of light and Bitfrost bridge guard of Asgard. He can see and hear better than any other gods and will be the one who could first detect a jotun uprising to Asgard. His sight is clear 100 miles in every direction, night and day. He can hear grass grow. He is the archenemy of Heimdall and they will kill each other at Raganrok. He also likes to step into the realm of Midgard and spend time with the humans.
You are a part of the Æsir team. You do not know who your fellows Æsir are. One of the traits of undercover gods is their ability to completely hide from each other. You will seem like a servant boy to them.
In this game Heimdall have two tasks.
He will spy on the other players. If they have a nightly activity Heimdall will detect this.
He must find and kill Loki
Heimdall have the power to appear in dreams and you have the option of sending a message to another player every two rounds.
This player will receive the information gathered the previous nights.
REMEMBER not everyone out of their beds during the night is Jotun.
When you think you have found Loki, you can challenge him to a Holmgang.
The narration of that Holmgang will reflect the battle between two Gods. So you will be outed and so will Loki.
Even though there might be other wanting to do a Holmgang, your Holmgang with Loki will be preferred to the others.
If you reveal, you can not post your findings publicly. From that moment your ability to watch players will stop. If you die you will be able to send the unsent messages to a player before going back to Asgard.
Holmgang ability: 7(Æsir) = 7
__________________
"from the fury of the Northmen, O Lord, deliver us!"
I'll look forward to our meeting, Loki. I may be fated not to finish you 'til the end of days -- but this mortal guise of yours will die at my hand.
Reenk Roink
02-11-2007, 00:45
:laugh4:
Seamus, why did you expose now? I'm already going to be dead. You should have just helped the town... :tongue2:
By the way, your Holmgang rating was already known to me (ask discovery1 and Husar in chat), but I was still higher.
You can't beat me... :duel:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2007, 00:49
Sound like fun
Unvote,Vote:disco
Alexander the Pretty Good
02-11-2007, 00:49
Hail Æsir :medievalcheers:
CountArach
02-11-2007, 00:53
Woooo! Go Seamus!
Unvote, Vote: Discovery1
imo Seamus can have a go at him if he wishes, however if Seamus loses we will still have to lynch Reenk, so I'm not going to unvote Reenk. I'd rather lose 1 bad guy then 1 bad guy AND 1 good guy
Reenk Roink
02-11-2007, 00:56
If you saved me Seamus, I'm going to hate having to kill you.
Thanks ol' pal. You may be after me, but you've given me another shot at life, and Jotun Ichigo... :beam:
By the way, I'm technically Æsir too, so don't "bad guy" me.
GeneralHankerchief
02-11-2007, 01:02
:dizzy2:
If Reenk is indeed Loki then perhaps Ichigo is in fact Jotun.
Unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Ichigo
discovery1
02-11-2007, 01:07
At all the people people voting for me:
BOOOO!! BOOOO!!! YOU ALL SUCK!
Give me a kiss to build a dream and my imagination will drive upon that kiss.
Reenk Roink
02-11-2007, 01:13
Here is our chatlog today. It is clear proof that I knew the Holmgang ratings of Æsir before Seamus revealed.
Husar is my witness.
"lynch_Reenk" is discovery1
GeneralHankerchief and Ichigo (Jotun) were also there but they were silent.
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<Reenk_Roink> sry
<Reenk_Roink> so, do you guys know
<Reenk_Roink> that i'm technically supposed to continue chaos
<Fizzil> hey reenk
<Reenk_Roink> after i'm lynched?
<Husar> hey Reenk
<Reenk_Roink> fiz
<Fizzil> http://www.sealhunter.com/
<Reenk_Roink> haven't seen you on since forever
<Fizzil> try this game
<Husar> don't reenk
<Husar> it's cruel and looks like crap
<lynch_Reenk> He will
<Reenk_Roink> it blocked window
<Reenk_Roink> haha
<Reenk_Roink> good old popup blocker
<Reenk_Roink> always there for me
<lynch_Reenk> it's crappy
<Reenk_Roink> which one of you is disco
<Reenk_Roink> i need help with a programming assignment
<lynch_Reenk> what language?
<Reenk_Roink> c++
<Reenk_Roink> i just got a 62 on my first test... :{
<lynch_Reenk> don't count on it
<lynch_Reenk> but I can try
<Reenk_Roink> nvm then
<Reenk_Roink> i'll just have to go to office hours... :(
<Reenk_Roink> i really hate that class
<Reenk_Roink> i like to learn programming
<Reenk_Roink> but they teach so bad...
<lynch_Reenk> weak
<lynch_Reenk> is there another lecture to go to?
...
<Reenk_Roink> hepcat, you're from new zealend right
<Husar> let's see
<Hepcat> yep
<Reenk_Roink> you gusy should have really let me duel csar... :(
<Reenk_Roink> unfair
<Husar> I have more free time and/or can simply take the time whenever I want
<Reenk_Roink> i'm not helping jotun at all
<Husar> there is nothing compulsory
<Reenk_Roink> and i gave you jotun's name
<Husar> it involves a lot more money
<Reenk_Roink> but no... :(
<Husar> and I can repeat tests
<Reenk_Roink> so
<Reenk_Roink> you go to university and you have children>
<Husar> no
<Hepcat> we sometimes use Maori words for things like high school is kura tuarua and primary school is just kura
<Husar> I go to university and don't have children
<Hepcat> well then stop contradicting yourself Husar!
<Husar> I'm not contradicting myself
<Reenk_Roink> yes you are
<lynch_Reenk> You implied you had kids
<Reenk_Roink> you said you had a ds
<Hepcat> oh so you are just lying
<Husar> implied
<lynch_Reenk> Husar: the weird part is, I don't have aNintendo DS either
<lynch_Reenk> Husar: neither do my children
<Reenk_Roink> and then you said you didn't
<Husar> that means you interpreted it that way
<Reenk_Roink> ahh
<Reenk_Roink> husar is a father figure
<Reenk_Roink> he must be a mentor for inner city kids
<Husar> but I didn't explicitly state that I had children :P
<Hepcat> it means that you used your English wrong
<Husar> no Hep
<lynch_Reenk> You did
<Hepcat> if you said neither WILL my children
<Husar> it means I'm just better at it than you are
<Hepcat> that would be correct
<Husar> no
<Fizzil> hey kids
<Fizzil> chill
<Husar> my children don't have a DS
<Husar> no children = no children with a DS
<Fizzil> CHILLAX
...
<Fizzil> its the internet yo
<lynch_Reenk> I need to eat
<Hepcat> thats like saying my pet iguana doesn't eat meatballs
<Husar> hey Fizz, stop that
<Reenk_Roink> fiz
<Hepcat> you are CLAIMING to possess one
...
<Reenk_Roink> do you have chat mod powers
<Fizzil> no
<Reenk_Roink> gah
<Husar> come get some Fizz
<Reenk_Roink> chanserv
<Reenk_Roink> you gotta ban disco
<Fizzil> why
<Reenk_Roink> he is inciting murder
<Fizzil> hes my homie :(
...
<lynch_Reenk> 200 bucks on fizz
<Reenk_Roink> fiz was in the army
<Husar> pffft
<Reenk_Roink> right now
<Husar> I don't care
<Reenk_Roink> my milanese campaign
<Reenk_Roink> i'm ripping apart the hre
<Husar> I saw a report about rich sheiks today
<Fizzil> hell yeah
<Husar> wait, it was one
<Fizzil> milan is the best faction
<Reenk_Roink> there princeses
<Husar> he had many garages full of cars
<Reenk_Roink> are such hoes
<Hepcat> I hate Milan
<Reenk_Roink> i called for a crsuade against jerusalem
<Reenk_Roink> kicked fizz's countrymen outta there :P
<Husar> and I started to hate Fizz with a passion
<Husar> rich ****
<Reenk_Roink> and then gifted it to the pope
<Fizzil> i'm but a petty sheik
<Reenk_Roink> but then he died
<Fizzil> man **** da pope
<Reenk_Roink> and venices cardinal took over
...
<Reenk_Roink> hmm...
<Reenk_Roink> gh and ichigo must be pming
<Reenk_Roink> about jotun buisness perhaps...
<Reenk_Roink> loki's got his eye on you.
<Husar> who is Loki?
<Reenk_Roink> me
<Husar> and how do we know that?
<Reenk_Roink> sigurds game has been the best yet
<Reenk_Roink> you gotta trust me ;)
<Reenk_Roink> skeptics... :rolleyes:
<Reenk_Roink> i wish he gave me some type of proactive power though
<Husar> trust Loki the clown?
<Reenk_Roink> loki the god of chaos
<Reenk_Roink> dont clown me
<Husar> who may even be some Jotun the clown?
<Reenk_Roink> how can a jotun be an aesier...
<Fizzil> loki isn't a jotun
<Reenk_Roink> there ya go
<lynch_Reenk> Yeah loki is
<Reenk_Roink> listen to leet erikson
<lynch_Reenk> parents were giants
<Reenk_Roink> straight from norge
<lynch_Reenk> leet is wrong
<Reenk_Roink> he is from norway
<Husar> I know who Loki is
<Reenk_Roink> give me a break
<Fizzil> i could swear loki was an aesir
<Fizzil> before he became vanir
<Husar> but I want to be sure reenk is Loki
<Fizzil> ask spartakus
<Reenk_Roink> sigurd explicitly stated that i was aesir
<lynch_Reenk> He's the fosther son of Odin
<Reenk_Roink> but that i could choose
<Reenk_Roink> which side to support
<Husar> so who did you choose?
<lynch_Reenk> and sometime friend of Thor
<Reenk_Roink> luckily i win if i dead
<lynch_Reenk> Don't listen to him
<Reenk_Roink> haven't chosen yet
<Reenk_Roink> though its going to be twon
<Husar> there we go
<Reenk_Roink> as csars mafia
<Husar> you may be a Jotun supporter
<Hepcat> I don't understand what you are going on about
<Reenk_Roink> i'll cc you the pm to sigurd
<lynch_Reenk> doof
<Reenk_Roink> i seriously will cc you the pm to sig
<Reenk_Roink> bah
<Reenk_Roink> who cares what you gusy think
<Reenk_Roink> i know who i am
<Reenk_Roink> i knwo who a jotun is
<Reenk_Roink> screw you townies
<Reenk_Roink> just dont lose
<Reenk_Roink> cuz my wins tied to yours
<Reenk_Roink> i know gh and csar
<Reenk_Roink> are trying to wait for me to say somethime esle
<Reenk_Roink> so the ycan post in thread
<Reenk_Roink> but i'm just repeating what i have seen
<Reenk_Roink> csar contacted me, offered me alliance with hotun
<Reenk_Roink> name was hrungir or something
<Husar> you already said that
<Reenk_Roink> yup
<Reenk_Roink> i'm not going to make a new story up when i have the truth
Here is where I tell the guys my Holmgang rating. I thought I was a goner:
<Reenk_Roink> the biggest shame is
<Reenk_Roink> me not getting to duel
<Husar> seems like it
<Reenk_Roink> might as well tell you my holmgang rating
<Reenk_Roink> the aesir generally were 7
<Reenk_Roink> but i was 9
<Husar> that's a bit weird
<Reenk_Roink> i didnt get to know who any of teh aesir were
<Reenk_Roink> just one jotun contacted me
<Reenk_Roink> tom hagen may be one
<Reenk_Roink> he survived an attack
<Husar> hmm
<Reenk_Roink> he also was nice to me in a pm
<Reenk_Roink> he kinds weirdly supported me and my role... :odd:
<Husar> interesting...
<Reenk_Roink> tom hagen is a possible aesir
<Reenk_Roink> ichigo = jotun
<Reenk_Roink> redleg is telling the truth
<Reenk_Roink> i thinl
<Reenk_Roink> and sasaki is just being sasaki
<Reenk_Roink> i dont buy the pevergreen thing by redleg though
<Husar> Sasaki is not a Jotun?
<Reenk_Roink> he just new
<Reenk_Roink> i dont think so
<Husar> you sounded like you thought Sasaki was a Jotun
<Reenk_Roink> he's just being annoying like he usually does
<Reenk_Roink> how?
<Reenk_Roink> i always maintened ichigo was jotun
<Reenk_Roink> gh and sasaki i dont think so
<Reenk_Roink> gh has something to hide though
<Reenk_Roink> he may be a jarl or pro town
<Reenk_Roink> sasaki is just as always
<Hepcat> I'm off to do some trumpet practice
<Reenk_Roink> i beleive you
<Reenk_Roink> and then
<Hepcat> bye everyone
<Reenk_Roink> see ya man
*** Hepcat has quit (Quit: Hepcat)
<Husar> bye hep
<Reenk_Roink> he changes completely
<Reenk_Roink> and thinks i'm jotun
<Reenk_Roink> that's his way
Here is where I saw Seamus's post and got giddy:
<Reenk_Roink> hahah
<Reenk_Roink> it was sigurd
<Reenk_Roink> sigurd was after me
<Reenk_Roink> i mean seamus
<Reenk_Roink> what a loser
<Reenk_Roink> i have a rating of 9
<Reenk_Roink> but hey
<Husar> are you drunk?
<Reenk_Roink> i'm validated once again
<Reenk_Roink> i was right about aesir rating
<Reenk_Roink> https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=78686&page=23
<Reenk_Roink> look here
<Reenk_Roink> i was right about every holmgang rating
<Husar> oh
<Husar> new post
<Husar> very interesting
<Reenk_Roink> so am i lying now husar?
<Reenk_Roink> i am very clever
<Reenk_Roink> i was right
<Husar> let me read that first, please
<Husar> now we have two guys claiming to be gods or what?
<Reenk_Roink> when i got my pm
<Reenk_Roink> sigurd told me
<Reenk_Roink> there was someone out for me
<Reenk_Roink> i thought it was ichigo at first
<Reenk_Roink> but later he claimed to be jotun
<Reenk_Roink> so that was a different case
<Reenk_Roink> so husar
<Reenk_Roink> and dico
<Reenk_Roink> disco
<Reenk_Roink> what do you think now?
<Husar> Seamus PM seems weird
<Husar> a few errors here and there
<Reenk_Roink> sigurd is non native speaker
<Husar> "He is the archenemy of Heimdall and they will kill each other at Raganrok."
<Reenk_Roink> i believ him
<Husar> so Heimdall is his own archenemy?
<Reenk_Roink> cuz holmgang rating is correct
<Reenk_Roink> and he has the speical beef against me
<Husar> hmm
<Husar> maybe you're both Jotun
<Husar> thought that sounds a bit crazy
<Reenk_Roink> i wish i could actually fight seamus
<Husar> since he wants to fight you
<Reenk_Roink> it would be more better
<Reenk_Roink> than fighting jotun csar
<Husar> and why does he want to challenge you?
<Husar> he's gone crazy :P
<Husar> it's not an objective, just an option, according to his PM
<Reenk_Roink> howdo i copy and past chat text
<Reenk_Roink> i want the town to see
<Husar> to see what?
<Reenk_Roink> our log
<Husar> and now I'm supposed to help you blame who?
<Reenk_Roink> i want them to see that i correctly had aesir holmgang rating
<Reenk_Roink> nothing
<Reenk_Roink> i'm dead
<Reenk_Roink> seamus wont have the shot to challenge me
<Reenk_Roink> votes are 8 - 2
<Husar> just write it into the post
<Reenk_Roink> but i want the skeptics
<Husar> 8-2 already?
<Reenk_Roink> yeah :(
<Reenk_Roink> people hate me ;(
<Reenk_Roink> i was just doing my job
<Reenk_Roink> it's not like i got the role to feed ducks
<Husar> wowsy
<Husar> maybe you shouldn't have fed the town that much
<Husar> usually 8-2 should be low with more than 20 people
<Husar> but I guess that makes you rather dead with the previously experienced participation
<Reenk_Roink> it's not going to change
<Reenk_Roink> if it is, i'll be happy
<Reenk_Roink> i want to kill seamus
<Reenk_Roink> and jotun csar
<Reenk_Roink> lol
<Reenk_Roink> disco is dead
<Reenk_Roink> this is great
<Reenk_Roink> :D
Seamus Fermanagh
02-11-2007, 01:14
Reenk:
Read up on your Norse mythos. Heimdall wants to wax Loki more than just about anything else. I do not dispute your Aesir status -- but Balder and Thor wouldn't disagree with my solution for you.
As to your rating being higher -- I'm glad you think so. Be it your 1,000 to my 1, I would still challenge you and take your head. So put up or shut up.
Here is our chatlog today. It is clear proof that I knew the Holmgang ratings of Æsir before Seamus revealed.
Husar is my witness.
"lynch_Reenk" is discovery1
GeneralHankerchief and Ichigo (Jotun) were also there but they were silent.
Well, nice chatlog you have there and it is genuine but I would like to note that it contains explicit things said by people like...me.~:rolleyes:
While i had to try really hard to find such insults(I was joking), I'm not sure whether this should be posted here according to forum rules.
Reenk Roink
02-11-2007, 01:19
Reenk:
Read up on your Norse mythos. Heimdall wants to wax Loki more than just about anything else. I do not dispute your Aesir status -- but Balder and Thor wouldn't disagree with my solution for you.
As to your rating being higher -- I'm glad you think so. Be it your 1,000 to my 1, I would still challenge you and take your head. So put up or shut up.
Seamus my friend, I will enjoy taking you to the pavement and then getting my shot at Ichigo. Kill an Æsir and a Jotun. The balance of Chaos is restored. :beam:
Let's go, and let me make the challenge. :wink: :shakehands: :duel:
Reenk Roink
02-11-2007, 01:20
Well, nice chatlog you have there and it is genuine but I would like to note that it contains explicit things said by people like...me.~:rolleyes:
While i had to try really hard to find such insults(I was joking), I'm not sure whether this should be posted here according to forum rules.
OK, I edited the off topic stuff. Just to make it clear, I was always a clean mouthed kid. :kid:
Crazed Rabbit
02-11-2007, 01:24
*Goes off and hunts down deer*
*Returns and begins cooking it over a fire*
*Obtains several flasks of mead*
*Puts down chair at a prime location to watch the Holmgang*
This is going to be good!
CR
pevergreen
02-11-2007, 01:39
Makes futuristic popcorn, and shoves CR out of the best spot and takes it for myself.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2007, 02:03
I think reenk is still ahead, vote for disco.
pevergreen
02-11-2007, 02:07
Wait..why are we voting disco?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2007, 02:09
lurking + irregular comment style + possible self frame + seamus wants to duel reenk
Reenk Roink
02-11-2007, 02:09
I think reenk is still ahead, vote for disco.
This guy is extremely suspicious, he seems to want all the Æsir dead.
Unvote
Vote: discovery1
Note to Æsir and town. Kill Sasaki Kojiro afterwards.
My personal Holmgang list is:
Seamus Fermanagh (rival God)
Ichigo (known Jotun)
Sasaki Kojiro (possible Jotun, bad for town either way)
pevergreen
02-11-2007, 05:53
Vote: discovery1
Warluster
02-11-2007, 06:00
My personal Holmgang list is:
Seamus Fermanagh (rival God)
Ichigo (known Jotun)
Sasaki Kojiro (possible Jotun, bad for town either way)
About that list. If you are god of Chaos, and you have to cause chaos, and you say that ichigo is Jotun, woudln't you be doing that to stir up chaos? And your case against Sasaki, it was the baddest type of accusation I have seen for a long time. So i am saying is, You are saying ichigo is jotun to stir up trouble (MAYBE your telling the truth, tis is hard to pick) I am not certian you are stirring up trouble, because there is basiclly no proof ichigo even sent that PM. And you had a little grudge against Sasaki before, remember?
Vote: Disco
If Reenek wins the duel, we'll lynch him next round :yes:
Warluster
02-11-2007, 06:05
If Reenk wins the duel we are in trouble, because by what type of God Seamus is, its a very good one, as he has better hearing and sight, and can detect Jotun. So we need him for the town! Whereas Loki is to cause trouble, which god is the good one?
And I might as well join the bandwagon...*sigh*
unvote:Reenk Roink
Vote:Disco
Unvote:Reenk
Vote:Abstain
Unvote; Vote: Abstain
Enough people are bandwagoning Disco now, and i'd rather not have his death on my conscience.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-11-2007, 08:00
Unvote; Vote: Abstain
pevergreen
02-11-2007, 10:19
but then people abstain and he doesnt get killed
FoS: sapi for voting and then hopping off.
You voted so if he is jotun, you can argue that you voted him, and if he isnt jotun, you can say that you took your vote off
:inquisitive:
discovery1
02-11-2007, 10:34
Ah bugger......
You all know i was working frantically thursday and friday while I was getting over a night of partying Saturday right?
As for a change in posting style, I see a clear threat in Reenk.
@pever - FoS? huh?
I took my vote off because i honestly don't want to be involved in a miss-lynching but i do believe that Seamus should be given a chance to fulfil his role.
@disco - sorry for the initial bandwagon but a split vote would have been worse than useless.
Reenk will die if he wins the holmgang - i'll see to it.
lurking + irregular comment style + possible self frame + seamus wants to duel reenk
Agreed.
Vote: discovery1
Before Seamus revealed, Loki (Reenk Roink) told me through pm there was another God who is able to get him. It seems like he has told the truth.
As I said before, I'd prefer Loki fighting Ichigo. Afterwards, the write-up of that battle can tell us more. I think we can reasonebly assume that the death of a Jotun will get a 'special' write-up ?
If not, Loki lied and we can still get him lynched. It's still pretty early in the game.
Heimdall (Seamus), why do you want your duel so soon in the game? Loki is powerful and is willing to join the town. You, the God Heimdall, have the ability to see if someone is guilty.
Take this together and what do you get? Two gods working together can make the town invincible: Heimdall determines who is guilty, the almost invincible Loki challenges the revealed Jotun. When we have two Jotun down and the third one revealed, Heimdall and Loki can duel. After the duel, the town can lynch Jotun number 3. Why don't you follow this procedure? It would benefit the town, wouldn't it? Your selfishness deprives the town of its' chances for an easy victory.
I wonder why are you all voting Discovery1. It has been almost two days since I've seen a pc (real life phenomenon). I think it is Sasaki who called for a bandwagon against disco. Maybe I missed something, but I didn't see a good reason. Sasaki Kojiro, can you explain why we have to lynch Discovery1 (in more than three sentences :grin:) ?
I am still curious about Lord Motep. From the write-up of the Holmgang I understand he is pretty powerful. He still hasn't explained why he voted Orb (I voted Orb because he voted me is not a good reason Motep)
So Lord Motep is a powerful character who votes randomly...
Unless he gives a good explanation:
Vote : Lord Motep
Technically, Seamus can no longer reveal the guilty.
He lost that when he revealed.
Reenk Roink
02-11-2007, 15:34
Loki addresses the mortals (and the inferior God): :joker:
To those who still don't believe me:
Examine that chat logs, check out AndersTheCunning testimonial. It seems that you have been taking me for a liar while I have been your biggest friend... :rolleyes: I have given you Holmgang scores, I have given you the name of a Jotun, I have been continually proved correct on my wide ranging knowledge. I am Loki
To my rival, the inferior God Heimdall:
It really wasn't prudent to reveal like that. You could have helped the town, you could have confirmed Ichigo's guilt, you could have rooted out the other Jotun. However, I understand your deep seated rivalry , and therefore you action is understandable, though still unwise.
To the people who got suckered into the Sasaki Kojiro's bandwagon off me and onto discovery1:
(This only applies to the people who say they will lynch me if I win my bandwagon. The others have my gratitude.)
Why did you do that? You went from a sure fire lynch of me right now, to perhaps having to waste one more lynch. Now, discovery1 is just being who he is. I really don't think he's guilty, just mad that his school can't stand up to mine :tongue2:.
At least one person has questioned my Sasaki Kojiro suspicion. I say, isn't is clear? Sasaki Kojiro just wants to kill all of the Æsir. The Jotun win when they kill all the Æsir and Jarls. I am by default an Æsir, though I can change. Heimdall is always an Æsir, even when he cannot help you anymore.
Poor thinking townies, poor thinking...
---- VOTING CLOSED ----
you may start to challenge ... (while I write up the results)
Reenk Roink
02-11-2007, 16:18
Challenge: Seamus Fermanagh :duel:
At midday the retinues of the kingdoms marched with confidence back to the Ting and the rune stone.
The old man waited there and could see the confidence in the people gathering.
When all had arrived a shackled fellow was thrown to the ground at the feet of the old man.
“So you think you have caught the Jotun?” asked the Hovgod. “Yes and we keep him contained with this” the fellow named Sasaki grabbed a Thor’s hammer that hung around the shackled fellows neck. I found this outside my tent yesterday with a note that basically said; there is magic within this to keep a Jotun contained”. Sasaki gave his most confident stare. “You did, did you?” the old man raised an eyebrow. “Well, this is all beside the issue at hand. You have finally found someone you suspect more than other.” The old man pointed to a large pole that had been put in the ground and stood 8 feet in the air. “Bind him to that”. Three men took the poor fellow and carried him to the pole, lifted him in to the air and put his shackles over the top and put him back on the ground. Discovery1 was effectively restrained to the pole.
“Who amongst you have a strong arm?” The fellows from Rogaland all put their hand into the air as Discovery1 had been known to affiliate with Hordaland.
One was picked and came forward. “Can you kill a deer with a spear?” asked the old man. “If I can kill a deer with a spear?” the fellow turned towards the crowd and smiled. “A three year old can kill a deer with a spear”. Laughter erupted. The crowd seemed cheerful now that they thought that they had caught the Jotun responsible for the murders. “Alright, take this and aim for his heart. That is the only way to kill a Jotun you know.” The old man handed him a spear. The man from Rogaland weighed the spear in his hand a few moments then looked up at Discovery1 with determination in his eyes. He then looked at the old man who nodded.
The throw was as perfect one. The spear pierced Disco’s heart and life ebbed out of him quickly.
As Disco felt tiredness overcome him he realized that he was high up in the air on a horseback. Disco was afraid of heights and crabbed the person in front of him and hugged her tightly. “Ooh, what a strong grip there handsome, but you have to wait till we arrive.”
No vote: 9 (AtPG, CF, Jimbob, Kage, Kralizec, Kukri*, Lord Motep, Prole, Sir Boo)
Abstains: 3 (Ichigo, Omanes, sapi)
Discovery1: 8 (CountA, CR, Husar, pevergreen, RR, Sasaki, Seamus, Warluster)
Reenk Roink: 2 (Discovery1, Stig)
Lord Motep: 1 (Andres)
Ichigo: 1 (GH)
Pevergreen: 1 (Redleg)
Omanes: 1 (Tom Hagen)
Tally:
Murdered (4):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Killed in Holmgang (2):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Executed (1):
Discovery1
Still Alive (25):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
JimBob
Kagemusha
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
Proletariat
Redleg
Reenk Roink
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo
Stig
Tom Hagen
Warluster
*excused
pms everybody... We will be back to normal schedule tomorrow (Monday). deadline : 21:00 GMT +1 (3:00 pm Eastern)
Well we should bandwagoned on another. So Sasaki got a little explaining to do.
Now lets see should I conduct a challenge - lets see - I think I shall challenge
Challenge:Ichigo
Because if he is a jotun it needs to be discovered for the truth. Let the gods battle amongst themselves - we mere humans can hangle these foul jotun if needed. It will be a difficult task - but one that honest men can handle.
Be fearfull there Ichigo the gods have seen fit to grant me special favor this day.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2007, 18:19
redleg what are you doooooooooing. The whole point was that seamus and reenk would fight, now we only have a 50% chance of that.
redleg what are you doooooooooing. The whole point was that seamus and reenk would fight, now we only have a 50% chance of that.
According to the PM Seamus posted, his Holmgang will be favoured.
Except if the fact that Loki initiated it nullifies this.
HughTower
02-11-2007, 18:35
So, Seamus should challenge Reenk just to make sure....
Ichigo should be lynched next round on the basis of RR's allegations.
That's my sole opinion after catching up 7 pages in the thread. Clearly, I have a brilliant analytic mind.
Well we should bandwagoned on another. So Sasaki got a little explaining to do.
Now lets see should I conduct a challenge - lets see - I think I shall challenge
Challenge:Ichigo
Because if he is a jotun it needs to be discovered for the truth. Let the gods battle amongst themselves - we mere humans can hangle these foul jotun if needed. It will be a difficult task - but one that honest men can handle.
Be fearfull there Ichigo the gods have seen fit to grant me special favor this day.
Fine.
So, Seamus should challenge Reenk just to make sure....
Ichigo should be lynched next round on the basis of RR's allegations.
That's my sole opinion after catching up 7 pages in the thread. Clearly, I have a brilliant analytic mind.
:no: :wall: :sweatdrop: :dizzy2:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-11-2007, 20:15
Challange: Tom_Hagen
Calling me Jotun automatically marks you as Jotun you Jotun :dizzy2:
GeneralHankerchief
02-11-2007, 20:17
Challange: Tom_Hagen
Calling me Jotun automatically marks you as Jotun you Jotun....
Why?
Seamus is already going to fight Reenk, check his reveal PM.
Deliberately trying to prevent that marks you as Jotun in my mind.
redleg what are you doooooooooing. The whole point was that seamus and reenk would fight, now we only have a 50% chance of that.
Correct
I do not want the gods to fight at this time, I rather go after the jotun named by Reenk. In fact I could battle a god right now had have a fairily decent chance of winning - Protection by the gods has raised my holmgang score to one of equal status as the one declared by one of them.
Now I am still wondering why you campaigned so hard to lynch an innocent?
Correct
I do not want the gods to fight at this time, I rather go after the jotun named by Reenk. In fact I could battle a god right now had have a fairily decent chance of winning - Protection by the gods has raised my holmgang score to one of equal status as the one declared by one of them.
Now I am still wondering why you campaigned so hard to lynch an innocent?
Yeah
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2007, 21:08
Correct
I do not want the gods to fight at this time, I rather go after the jotun named by Reenk. In fact I could battle a god right now had have a fairily decent chance of winning - Protection by the gods has raised my holmgang score to one of equal status as the one declared by one of them.
Now I am still wondering why you campaigned so hard to lynch an innocent?
What makes you think ichigo is a jotun?
If seamus wants to take out reenk we may as well lynch a lurker. I notice you didn't speak up in his defense. There are too many people lurking currently.
Crazed Rabbit
02-11-2007, 21:14
*begins eating roasted deer and drinking mead*
Reenk vs Seamus will be favored, I think, despite Redleg trying to throw a spear into the bottom of the boat.
Now I am still wondering why you campaigned so hard to lynch an innocent?
Gee, uh, maybe cause we didn't know he was innocent?
Omanes - why are you challenging Tom_Hagen? He was attacked by the Jotun, for crying out loud.
CR
Reenk Roink
02-11-2007, 21:15
What makes you think ichigo is a jotun?
If seamus wants to take out reenk we may as well lynch a lurker. I notice you didn't speak up in his defense. There are too many people lurking currently.
Wow.
When you have no argument, try to get the "lurker" one to bail you out... :rolleyes:
Now, Redleg, Heimdall and I have to fight before anything. It's just the roles. After this, I will duel Ichigo if he has not been lynched as Jotun yet...
What makes you think ichigo is a jotun?
If seamus wants to take out reenk we may as well lynch a lurker. I notice you didn't speak up in his defense. There are too many people lurking currently.
Isn't it obvious? Because RR aka"God of Chaos" makes up a PM and then Bam I'm guilty.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2007, 21:17
Isn't it obvious? Because RR aka"God of Chaos" makes up a PM and then Bam I'm guilty.
I guess he hasn't played with reenk much. Redleg, RR is even less trustworthy than me. :yes:
Reenk Roink
02-11-2007, 21:18
Challenge:Reenk Roink
Seamus Fermanagh, since you actually have a shot at beating me (9-7), please just let me finish this Jotun first.
Challenge: Jotun Ichigo (if Heimdall goes ahead and challenges me, my change wont matter)
Sasaki Kojiro, everything I have said has been proven true. Also, you still are the worst townie...
My record doesn't even begin to compare with yours. I used deception when my role called for it. You lied even as a townie... :rolleyes:
Seamus Fermanagh, since you actually have a shot at beating me (9-7), please just let me finish this Jotun first.
Challenge: Jotun Ichigo (if Heimdall goes ahead and challenges me, my change wont matter)
Sasaki Kojiro, everything I have said has been proven true. And no, you still are the worst townie...
You can't switch challenge's. A PM can't be proven true or not.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-11-2007, 21:41
Omanes - why are you challenging Tom_Hagen? He was attacked by the Jotun, for crying out loud.
Damn, didn't notice that :embarassed:
Damn, didn't notice that :embarassed:
You'll get my vote tomorrow
Sasaki Kojiro
02-11-2007, 21:58
You'll get my vote tomorrow
Why?
Why?
If someone sounds Jotunish to me it's him, everyone know that Tom is the only one who's innocent for sure and still he says Tom is a Jotun ... about a 50% I'm wrong but still, 1 vote won't matter will it
Besides I would like someone to talk ~D
MIDGARD SAGA LURKER LIST
Caius Flaminius
WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING?
Man, I did go on vacation, now im here.
I will not challenge someone at the moment,
Wow.
When you have no argument, try to get the "lurker" one to bail you out... :rolleyes:
Now, Redleg, Heimdall and I have to fight before anything. It's just the roles. After this, I will duel Ichigo if he has not been lynched as Jotun yet...
Oh I hope that the aspects of the challenge allow us mere humans to attempt to halt the duel between the gods - but alas I am fairily sure that the gods will influence the picking of the holmgang particpants.
But it did serve my main purpose - to create conservation around the events.
Especially the statement that you just made about the "lurker" defense. Your about spot on with your rebuttal to Sasaki on that one in my opinion
I guess he hasn't played with reenk much. Redleg, RR is even less trustworthy than me. :yes:
However in your case you have proven yourself untrustworthy, in two games.
Reenk on the other hand is still relative unkown. Not completely since he also lied in the last game - but in this one I believe he is being more forth coming then you. SO the benefit of the doubt in this game goes to him. Provide more information in the hunt for the jotun versus just wanting to get rid of the "lurkers" and you might be able to return to the "benefit of the doubt" column.
Now Ichigo seems to be the most worthwhile individual to determine wether or not he is jotun or just an individual who tried to use deception to trap an individual he thought was a jotun. So far Reenk's version is the most consistent. While Ichigo is less consistent. Is the inconsistency in Ichigo's statements one of an individual attempting to hide his role?
I find inconsistency to be a tell concerning someone's role being either pro-town or not.
Hince the challenge made by myself on Ichigo.
If he wasn't the most visible in that - I would actually be delving into your statements more then I have so far. But never fear - the posts are still there to review - so after we determine Ichigo's true status and role - we can focus on others to include me if you so wish.
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 00:10
The "trustworthy" comment is actually quite pointless.
In Mafia V and Rise of the Mob, I was selected as a Mafia. My role required me to actively kill the townies and deceive them. I stayed true to my role.
In Capo de Tutti Capi, I was selected as a Luca. I was passive in that game, as my role required me to protect my Don(na). I only engaged in deceit in response to Redleg's inquiries, because he was after my Don(na).
In other games, I have been selected as a pro-town role, and carried out my job. As hobo in Gotta Have More Mafia, I stopped Godfather Sigurd Fafnesbane quite a bit before getting suckered by him. As detective in Mafia IV, I got Masy, though in that case, my role was redundant. As the vigilante in another game, I successfully killed AggonyDuck, a Mafia.
In other games, I have functioned as a townie, and I have either been actively trying to help the town, or interested in my own amusement. Never have I tried to aid the Mafia.
In this game, I played my role as Loki as described. I caused chaos and confusion in the beginning, putting both the town and Jotun on edge. However, now I am siding with the town, as I am required to pick a side.
I have been validated in my role and in the Holmgang ratings that I gave.
You on the other hand, Sasaki Kojiro, are known to be a bad townie. You start bandwagons, ask irrelevant and nitpicky questions, and make up for the logical poverty of your arguments with annoying pestering. You even have an entry in the Mafia glossary:
Kojiro: A person who claims to be either a mafioso or Detective, but is in reality just a plain old villager. Named after Sasaki Kojiro, who famously claimed to be the Detective in Game II.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-12-2007, 00:49
@Reenk: Maybe I should start posting only in pictures :bounce:
@Redleg: Lurkers are a decent choice without something else to go on. Last two rounds when we tried to go after someone we ended up with no lynch. Lynching an innocent in this case was better than no lynch. Last two games with you I was mafia btw.
However in your case you have proven yourself untrustworthy, in two games.
Reenk on the other hand is still relative unkown. Not completely since he also lied in the last game - but in this one I believe he is being more forth coming then you. SO the benefit of the doubt in this game goes to him. Provide more information in the hunt for the jotun versus just wanting to get rid of the "lurkers" and you might be able to return to the "benefit of the doubt" column.
Now Ichigo seems to be the most worthwhile individual to determine wether or not he is jotun or just an individual who tried to use deception to trap an individual he thought was a jotun. So far Reenk's version is the most consistent. While Ichigo is less consistent. Is the inconsistency in Ichigo's statements one of an individual attempting to hide his role?
I find inconsistency to be a tell concerning someone's role being either pro-town or not.
Hince the challenge made by myself on Ichigo.
If he wasn't the most visible in that - I would actually be delving into your statements more then I have so far. But never fear - the posts are still there to review - so after we determine Ichigo's true status and role - we can focus on others to include me if you so wish.
So since RR's more consistent than me therefore he must not be lieing? Alright so kill me for not making sure everything I've said isn't exactly what I've said before. You'll soon find out that someone who's post seem more consistent is because they have went through and made sure that everything they say is exactly the same as before so they won't be caught and lynched because of inconsistency. While someone who is innocent doesn't go back and make sure everything is exactly right. You'll learn eventually.
Oh and if you go back and look at any of my arguement's I'm never consistent. Whether guilty or innocent.
@Redleg: Lurkers are a decent choice without something else to go on. Last two rounds when we tried to go after someone we ended up with no lynch. Lynching an innocent in this case was better than no lynch. Last two games with you I was mafia btw.
Which is exactly why your actions are not trustworthy. Double edge sword for you right now. Your going have to demonstrate in a better way that you have the town's best interest in mind.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-12-2007, 01:03
Folks:
My role says my objective is to find and kill Loki.
My Holmgang challenge to him would supercede any others.
I asked for him not to be lynched so that I may fulfill my role's purpose. I also figured the town could go after someone else -- Disco having been selected.
Some have called on me to not do so.
Why should I not challenge him now? In what way does the town gain? Neither of our roles are able to search any longer and Reenk has either helped the town already by naming the Jotun he knows or he is pursuing chaos and you'll never get the name from him.
Failing a compelling answer to this, I will issue the challenge and let Siggy get writing up the battle.
Challenge: Loki (Reenk Roink)
So since RR's more consistent than me therefore he must not be lieing?
That is not what was stated. The wording was a very spefic statement - not wether I believed that he is indeed telling the truth - just that you are obviousily lieing.
Alright so kill me for not making sure everything I've said isn't exactly what I've said before. You'll soon find out that someone who's post seem more consistent is because they have went through and made sure that everything they say is exactly the same as before so they won't be caught and lynched because of inconsistency. While someone who is innocent doesn't go back and make sure everything is exactly right. You'll learn eventually.
However what you failed to notice is that inconsistent statements are not the norm for those that are not trying to hide something. That Reenk might have taken more time in being consistent with his writing means that he has taken the time to make sure his comments flow.
For instance I have been fairily consistent in my writing in this thread, becaue I have not attempt to decieve anyone. However your statements are inconsistent because you have attempted to decieve others. Now does that make you a jotun - maybe it does maybe it doesn't. However yur the individual that has done the most deception attempts so far in this thread and that warrants a challenge to possiblily prevent the holmgang between the two gods.
Oh and if you go back and look at any of my arguement's I'm never consistent. Whether guilty or innocent.
Another nail in your coffin for this game.
Still lost.
Too many words.Im confused.I have to read all again:gah2:
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 01:11
@Reenk: Maybe I should start posting only in pictures :bounce:
Come on dude, you know I like to have fun in these games. :tongue2: I already said: "In other games, I have functioned as a townie, and I have either been actively trying to help the town, or interested in my own amusement. Never have I tried to aid the Mafia."
But even in that game, I was with Siggy-Faf in trying to fish out the Mafia. I spoke up for Ichigo and tried to play GeneralHankerchief. I told you guys that we figured out Kommodus was guilty.
That is not what was stated. The wording was a very spefic statement - not wether I believed that he is indeed telling the truth - just that you are obviousily lieing.
However what you failed to notice is that inconsistent statements are not the norm for those that are not trying to hide something. That Reenk might have taken more time in being consistent with his writing means that he has taken the time to make sure his comments flow.
For instance I have been fairily consistent in my writing in this thread, becaue I have not attempt to decieve anyone. However your statements are inconsistent because you have attempted to decieve others. Now does that make you a jotun - maybe it does maybe it doesn't. However yur the individual that has done the most deception attempts so far in this thread and that warrants a challenge to possiblily prevent the holmgang between the two gods.
Another nail in your coffin for this game.
Yeah that's it.
I bet they are. I shall fly off to Valhalla, and I'll be laughing as I go. Or he was taking the time to make sure he isn't contradicting himself.
If you would please point out my inconsistency's? I could really careless if the God's fight it is there choice and if they wish to kill each other then fine. Who am I or even you to prevent something that both the Gods want?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-12-2007, 01:18
Which is exactly why your actions are not trustworthy. Double edge sword for you right now. Your going have to demonstrate in a better way that you have the town's best interest in mind.
Err? I'm not trustworthy because I've been mafia?
The real answer is no one is trustworthy unless you think they've acted very pro town. And even then, it's possible to be mistaken.
The "trustworthy" comment is actually quite pointless.
In Mafia V and Rise of the Mob, I was selected as a Mafia. My role required me to actively kill the townies and deceive them. I stayed true to my role.
In Capo de Tutti Capi, I was selected as a Luca. I was passive in that game, as my role required me to protect my Don(na). I only engaged in deceit in response to Redleg's inquiries, because he was after my Don(na).
In other games, I have been selected as a pro-town role, and carried out my job. As hobo in Gotta Have More Mafia, I stopped Godfather Sigurd Fafnesbane quite a bit before getting suckered by him. As detective in Mafia IV, I got Masy, though in that case, my role was redundant. As the vigilante in another game, I successfully killed AggonyDuck, a Mafia.
In other games, I have functioned as a townie, and I have either been actively trying to help the town, or interested in my own amusement. Never have I tried to aid the Mafia.
In this game, I played my role as Loki as described. I caused chaos and confusion in the beginning, putting both the town and Jotun on edge. However, now I am siding with the town, as I am required to pick a side.
I have been validated in my role and in the Holmgang ratings that I gave.
You on the other hand, Sasaki Kojiro, are known to be a bad townie. You start bandwagons, ask irrelevant and nitpicky questions, and make up for the logical poverty of your arguments with annoying pestering. You even have an entry in the Mafia glossary:
Loki: The God of tricks and pranks. The rebel God is a well known force often misinterpreted as evil. Loki made much mischief but also some good deeds.
Your task in this game is to make chaos. It should be a fun task.
As the god of tricks and pranks you do not really affiliate to either Jotun (Mafia) or Æsir (pro-town).
But you can decide which alignment you will follow.
At some point in the game, PM me with your alignment but do it before the last two rounds in the game. No one knows how long this game will last, and it will be a chance to stall too long. If no PM is received and the game ends, you will be on the losing team.
When you PM me with your alignment, you are able to help your side in a small but important way. It depends on which alignment you choose, so I will tell you after you send your PM.
There is one person from both the Æsir and Jotun who know your identity, but otherwise you are an undercover God.
:rolleyes:
Err? I'm not trustworthy because I've been mafia?
The real answer is no one is trustworthy unless you think they've acted very pro town. And even then, it's possible to be mistaken.
That is only part of the problem. I question your actions and intent in going after discovery now taht its shown that he was an innocent. So you have supported my own conclusion of your trustworthyness.
Like I stated alreadly - your on a double edge sword. ANd it seems you keep cutting yourself deeper and deeper with your own arguements
Sasaki Kojiro
02-12-2007, 01:28
Lynching innocent disco > no lynch
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 01:29
:rolleyes:
...and I did make Chaos...
It was great for awhile having you on one side and the town on the other. I hadn't made up my mind then, but then you insulted me by voting against me and saying essentially that "we call the shots"...
Now I've already joined the pro-town side. I'm going to stop confusing them. I've already caused a lot of chaos in your Jotun camp though, as now you're going to have to figure out how to win with 2... :beam:
Lynching innocent disco > no lynch
No. The town was following a no lynch policy. If they kept it going, more work for the Jotun...
...and I did make Chaos...
It was great for awhile having you on one side and the town on the other. I hadn't made up my mind then, but then you insulted me by voting against me and saying essentially that "we call the shots"...
Now I've already joined the pro-town side. I'm going to stop confusing them. I've already caused a lot of chaos in your Jotun camp though, as now you're going to have to figure out how to win with 2... :beam:
No. The town was following a no lynch policy. If they kept it going, more work for the Jotun...
Loki: The God of tricks and pranks. The rebel God is a well known force often misinterpreted as evil. Loki made much mischief but also some good deeds.
Your task in this game is to make chaos. It should be a fun task.
As the god of tricks and pranks you do not really affiliate to either Jotun (Mafia) or Æsir (pro-town).
But you can decide which alignment you will follow.
At some point in the game, PM me with your alignment but do it before the last two rounds in the game. No one knows how long this game will last, and it will be a chance to stall too long. If no PM is received and the game ends, you will be on the losing team.
When you PM me with your alignment, you are able to help your side in a small but important way. It depends on which alignment you choose, so I will tell you after you send your PM.
There is one person from both the Æsir and Jotun who know your identity, but otherwise you are an undercover God.
So if you've chosen sides then what is the small important way you help the town? If you've even chosen sides. (Which I doubt)
Lynching innocent disco > no lynch
lynching Ichigo > disco
or
lynching Sasaki > no lynch.
The logic your trying here is not logical, as demonstrated by using your name instead of disco
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 01:41
So if you've chosen sides then what is the small important way you help the town? If you've even chosen sides. (Which I doubt)
Wouldn't the Jotun like to know... :rolleyes:
Wouldn't the Jotun like to know... :rolleyes:
I guess it takes a while to make up a lie.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-12-2007, 01:45
lynching Ichigo > disco
or
lynching Sasaki > no lynch.
That logic is not logical.
Ichigo posts enough that we can figure out if he's mafia. Same with me. Lynching Disco = possible lynch of mafia + one less Jotun suspect. If the Jotun have their way we'll get down to 7 left with all seven being suspicious, poor odds. We need to narrow down the list of possibles.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-12-2007, 01:47
Redleg:
How do we know Disco to have been innocent?
Not saying it's not possible -- happens every game almost -- just wondering where you get to that definitive a statement of his status. Did I miss something in my review of this thread?
I spotlighted him for a different posting style than usual -- particularly in content/tone.
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 01:48
I guess it takes a while to make up a lie.
:laugh4: This is coming from the guy who gave us three different stories. Tell me Ichigo, what are you now? Jotun, Golden God, War Veteran, or just some dude with knowledge about ol' Loki.
By the way, anyone can PM me about my special ability, if I trust you as townie, I'll tell. :wink:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-12-2007, 01:48
We're assuming that Jotun don't go to valhalla.
Redleg:
How do we know Disco to have been innocent?
Not saying it's not possible -- happens every game almost -- just wondering where you get to that definitive a statement of his status. Did I miss something in my review of this thread?
I spotlighted him for a different posting style than usual -- particularly in content/tone.
The clue was the horseback ride with the woman. That was the sign of an individual on the side of light and good.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-12-2007, 01:57
Correct. Jotuns go to Jotunheim. The honored dead head to Asgard. Loki started in Asgard, but got the boot.
All right, that's it. You overplayed your hand Csar/Ichigo. Or should I say: Hrungnir...
Proof?
His first PM sent me was quite early in the game, right after I claimed my status as Loki:
I knew you were around somewhere. I've been searching for you.
Ichigo
I quickly replied:
Bring it on sucka...
Of course, Ichigo didn't want to fight, he wanted to kill townies, recruiting me in the process:
I have no beef with you. I knew your role before you even knew it existed .
I'm not after you I just hope you would side with the Jotun. I am Hrungnir, and I know you get to pick sides. You should go ahead and side with us, as your role basically is there to confuse the town anyway.
Trust me, I wouldn't have contacted you if I was trying to kill you.
Ichigo
He sent me another PM.
Here is a townie PM we were able to get. Use it if you get in trouble:
Human
Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson
You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats
Ichigo
I became wishy-washy with Csar, and began my second round of posting.
I replied to him:
OK, we're going to do things on my terms if I join you.
Why have you been "looking for me"?
Why did you contact me?
How do you know I'm Æsir?
Answer my questions.
Sorry Reenk, we call the shots here. You are already close to getting lynched.
I've been wondering who the entire game who the God was.
I really have no answer for that.
Sigurd.
Ichigo
It was at this point I got upset, and started to say I expose the Jotun in public.
Now he has pushed it over the top. Pretty telling how Ichigo has been after me for quite awhile now...
Next round Ichigo, it is you who is going down.
Never piss off Loki...
Really now he's being completely honest? Read through our PM conversation again you'll notice somethings are not quite right. If you can't figure them out yourself then well I guess I'll have to explain them for you. Edit: Now compared to the one I posted which one seems more real?
I knew you were around somewhere. I've been searching for you.
Ichigo
__________________________________________________ ______________
Bring it on sucka...
__________________________________________________ ______________
I have no beef with you. I knew your role before you even knew it existed .
____________________________________________________________________
I know who you are Csar. You are the one out for me...
____________________________________________________________________
No, I'm not after you I just hope you would side with the town. I'm just a plain old townie like always.
__________________________________________________ ______________
Give me a break Csar. My identity is hidden from everyone, but Sigurd did say there was "someone out to get you".
You're the only one who knew what I was talking about.
Now, I'm going to challenge you right now, and you better hope you can get me before I get you, cause my Holmgang score is through the roof...
We'll see what happens.
Hopefully the dice are on my side and I get to kill you in a duel.
__________________________________________________ ______________
Fine. I wouldn't have contacted you if I was trying to kill you, but you shall die by my sword.
Ichigo
__________________________________________________ _____________
You can't kill me buddy.
You really don't know how high my Holmgang is...
I told you all, I have no special powers, except for the Holmgangmeister that I am.
I haven't issued the challenge yet, because you challenged Sasaki just now.
Who are you?
Let me see you PM.
You may be a townie, but you got a PM, and you know something about me.
Why have you been "looking for me"?
Why did you contact me?
How do you know I'm Æsir?
Answer my questions.
__________________________________________________ ______________
Human
Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson
You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats
Holmgang ability : 3 (WarVeteran) = 3
Sigmund "the axe" Germundsson is who I am.
I've been wondering who the entire game who the God was.
I really have no answer for that.
Sigurd.
Ichigo
__________________________________________________ ______________
Looks legit, though you may have borrowed a PM...
I dunno...
Seamus Fermanagh
02-12-2007, 02:02
Thanks Redleg -- I'd skimmed too quickly, I see. You are right and my lynch was mis-placed.
Sorry for that Disco. :shame:
Really now he's being completely honest?
Again with the false conclusion hiding behind a question. I said he was being more consistent. You on the other hand are being inconsistent. Inconsistent is normally the tell of someone stating falsehoods. Now if you don't understand that statement maybe I will explain it into more detail. But most likely I won't. At least not until you provide a satifactory (SP) answer to tie up the inconsistency in your own statements.
Read through our PM conversation again you'll notice somethings are not quite right. If you can't figure them out yourself then well I guess I'll have to explain them for you.
Oh don't worry - once I settle your role and status to my satifisation, then I will decide if Reenk needs futher pursuit to insure he is telling the truth. Or I could just support Seamus and his claim of being a god. It seems that since both gods have challenged eac other that at a minimum they have a 1/3 possiblity to the Holmgang without any other factors included in the odds of that, and all six possible challenges are actually filled. Other factors could increase their probablity to include not all six challenges are done. Plus I suspect that one of the game conditions is that once one of the gods challenge another god - their duel is fought above all others.
Right now however you have not explained away your own inconsistency.
So after this night phase - I wonder if you can explain enough to avoid the lynch.
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