Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

I never accused you of anything, simply said that your conduct is peculiar, and I changed my vote to you, because when things started to go differently from what you wanted, you straightly went for the person with the highest number of votes at that moment...
The comradery with God Emperor is still unclear to me...

Tally:

TheLastDays: Seon, B_Ray, Arjos, glyphz
GodEmperor: Khazaar, Yaropolk, Earthling, Beskar

woad&fangs: dcmort93, Askthepizzaguy
SoulBlade: White_eyes:D, Thefluffyone93
Thefluffyone93: Secura, Chaotix
Arjos: robbiecon, TheLastDays

Renata: Believer
Beskar: GodEmperor
GeneralHankerchief: Choxorn
Believer: Diamondeye
Yaropolk: GeneralHankerchief
Khazaar: Zack
Riedquat: johnhughthom
B_Ray: woad&fangs
Chaotix: Andres
Diamondeye: Romanic

Abstain: n0rg3 Roink

Hope it's correct.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Vote: Riedquat

Welcome newbie.

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Thank you! :stare:

Vote: johnhughthom

Yay! My first vote ever is an OMGUS vote!

vote: glyphz

Badly reasoned bandwagoning.

I don't understand why people are voting God Emperor.

He was attacked on N1.

Unvote ; Vote : Arjos

Vote: johnhughthom

Poorly reasoned bandwagon :laugh:.

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Originally Posted by Andres

I don't understand why people are voting God Emperor.

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You answered yourself...

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He was attacked on N1.

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What are the odds that he's some sort of medic and on the very first night he saved himself from a mafia kill, which happened to select him?
God Emperor is very fishy imo, also because he retaliated vote the person who voted him, he's still my choice, but I can't overlook TLD's behaviour...

Now your weak reasoning as to why everyone's voting him, might be an hint of an Andres-God Emperor maneuver...

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Originally Posted by Arjos

You answered yourself...



What are the odds that he's some sort of medic and on the very first night he saved himself from a mafia kill, which happened to select him?
God Emperor is very fishy imo, also because he retaliated vote the person who voted him, he's still my choice, but I can't overlook TLD's behaviour...

Now your weak reasoning as to why everyone's voting him, might be an hint of an Andres-God Emperor maneuver...

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You can as well stop trying to blame as many people as possible.
What exactly in my behaviour can you not overlook? I want a clear answer as to which of my moves were showing that I was obviously Mafia, more worthy of the lynch than GodEmperor of whom you are so sure as well.

I'll have a post up a bit later explaining in more detail why I think GodEmperor is town but for now, people, take a look at Arjos' posts.
If anyone is deserving a lynch on a Day 1 it's him.

TLD I never thought of you as mafia, imo you are a town fooled by God Emperor...
I had to vote you because you vote out of sympathies and antipathies, which won't help town, and as I said you went for the easiest prey in the process: this can't be good for town...

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Originally Posted by Arjos

Vote: God Emperor

Simply because his attacker was too badass to fail :D

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:stare: Is this the case of "I don't know him but he sure sounds sexy"? I think it is.
unvote; vote: Arjos

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Originally Posted by TheLastDays

I'm having fun :yes:

I just come straight from Midgard III where we went ahead and started to lynch important roles from the beginning. Basically lynching someone on Day 1, where there are no meaningful cases, who has shown that he resists nightkills is, imo, a mistake. No, GE doesn't get a free pass as townie as it could well be the ability of one of the Mafia or some third party scum but it could potentially be a big mistake to lynch him and it would be one that we could have avoided.

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This. It's obvious that God Emperor has some sort of power-role. We should at least give him the time to explain himself. Which means he needs to explain himself - GE!

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Vote: God Emperor because we need more bandwagonz.

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That's the worst OMGUS I've seen in a while.

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

If I may :hide:

I don't recall TheLastDays' usual style in this game.. But so far it hasn't exactly been scummy.. at least in my eyes (yes I know he tries not to have me lynched , bla bla bla) . What I mean is that his style, so far, has given him a few votes, because he is eager and .. Well I am not sure there is anything more. I would just expect, that if he had scum budies, then they would by now, have told him to tone it down a bit, and that does not really seem to be the case. In other words, I would say his behavior atm should move him a little further away from a lynch and not closer :stare:

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I agree: TLD doesn't strike me as scummy, the contrary in fact.

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Originally Posted by Renata

God Emperor can come role claim to me. I need some WIFOM in my life. :yes:

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But you might choke on it! That's hazardous!

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

:stare: Is this the case of "I don't know him but he sure sounds sexy"? I think it is.

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Even if he might be someone who's trying to kill us, I can't help it, I liked how 'khaan wrote his character...

Anyway seems like my co-citizens vote only out of personal likings...
Silly to lynch me for openly reason about who could profit the most from God Emperor's accident...

I shall die and haunt the fools XD
If I survive the day and get killed the following night, easily means that those I accused are mafia (God Emperor and maybe Andres), that's our only weapon as townfolks...

Unvote; Renata
Vote: Arjos

How scummy can one get without being lynched? You're pushing the limits bro.

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Originally Posted by Andres

I don't understand why people are voting God Emperor.

He was attacked on N1.

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How do you know he wasn't attacked by a bad guy, but a good guy? But I won't vote for GE either. vote:DiamondEye

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Originally Posted by classical_hero

How do you know he wasn't attacked by a bad guy, but a good guy? But I won't vote for GE either. vote:DiamondEye

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It seems likeliest, from the write-up, that it was a neutral who attacked GE.

unvote, vote: Arjos

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Originally Posted by Arjos

TLD I never thought of you as mafia, imo you are a town fooled by God Emperor...
I had to vote you because you vote out of sympathies and antipathies, which won't help town, and as I said you went for the easiest prey in the process: this can't be good for town...

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I have no sympathies for GodEmperor (no offense GE ^^) because I don't know him. I've had no contact with him before this game.
My actions and my leaning towards giving GE the benefit of the doubt come only from what happened ingame so let's take a close look:

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Originally Posted by issaikhaan

God Emperor was wandering the streets. He didn't much like the idea of having to live in some new place. Either way, sleep was unlikely. Besides, it was a clear, warm night. So much nicer than it was in the daytime. He turned around the corner to a new street, and saw what seemed to be an enormous human male in the middle of the street. It seemed to have been walking down, holding in one hand an axe of astronomical proportions. The haft had to be eight feet long, the double-edged head perhaps four feet. The man's eyes lit up upon seeing God Emperor. With his off hand, the man pointed. “God or Demon, I care not. You have brought ruin to me and my people! NOW YOU DIE!” God Emperor scoffed a bit. This mortal thinks he can kill me? The man moved at God Emperor, running at an incredible pace, and wildly swung the axe. God Emperor instinctively ducked the blow, the axe going just over his head and plowing into the house next to him. The axe ripped apart the brick and mortar as though it were papyrus. God Emperor's eyes went wide. Perhaps it would be wisest to play this safe. He took off at a run as the man swung his axe downwards, missing again and creating a gash in the street. The man howled, and went round the corner of the house. God Emperor was already in the distance, and wheeled down a dark ally. The man roared in frustration, and smashed his axe once more into the street before stalking off.

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1. He didn't much like the idea of having to live in some new place. Either way, sleep was unlikely. This hints at one of the usual residents of Babylon who now have to take up living in a new house because Angra Mainyu has quarantined everyone in the surrounding area of his palace or one of the Gods/Demons who have betrayed the heavens/netherworld to join Mainyu. Yes, this might as well hint at Mafia who recently arrived but firstly I don't think it would be worded as 'living in some new place' and secondly I don't think 'khaan would give the Mafia away like that.
2. The whole killing attempt makes me think it was done by a third party killer. The guy with the axe doesn't strike me as being a vigilante but rather a third party killer who's after anyone. He was resisted by GodEmperor. So far so good.

Now what else do we have other than the writeup?

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

tsk tsk.. aiming attacks at me :laugh4:

now that it is day, I can actually vote.. . . Vote: Beskar

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

If I may :hide:

I don't recall TheLastDays' usual style in this game.. But so far it hasn't exactly been scummy.. at least in my eyes (yes I know he tries not to have me lynched , bla bla bla) . What I mean is that his style, so far, has given him a few votes, because he is eager and .. Well I am not sure there is anything more. I would just expect, that if he had scum budies, then they would by now, have told him to tone it down a bit, and that does not really seem to be the case. In other words, I would say his behavior atm should move him a little further away from a lynch and not closer :stare:

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What exactly strikes you as scummy here? Nothing? Thought so.

So your whole case is built on the fact that he was attacked N1 and survived? So yeah, he's obviously some kind of power role. There were tons of pro town power roles in both Netherworld 1 + 2. That's not enough conclusive evidence for the lynch of a power role.

So who is voting for him?
Khazaar on the wrong assumption that Gods and Demons would only be found among the Mafia.
Yaropolk with no real reason at all.
Earthling with strange reasoning. There's no indication whatsoever that all townies are humans and there is nothing to follow up on with GE, other than that he survived a night attack.
Beskar with a pure OMGUS vote.

There's simply not enough evidence against GE for a lynch right now. A lynch that will take out a power role that might be town. He might be scum, yes, but that will be determined. We simply need more information before we lynch a known power role. I would also propose to any doctors out there to protect GE tonight. He might not be as lucky next time.

Now where's your vote? Shouldn't it be on your prime suspect? No, it's on me who is, according to you, probably town jut because I am trying to avoid the lynch of a power role on the basis of nothing.
I don't vote out of personal likings, I don't like GE any better than you but he didn't behave scummy at all. You did.

Holy ellipses!

Unvote, Vote: Arjos

There I fixed it for you

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Originally Posted by TheLastDays

So who is voting for him?
Khazaar on the wrong assumption that Gods and Demons would only be found among the Mafia.
Yaropolk with no real reason at all to put pressure on GE and because he defends you instead of himself.
Earthling with strange reasoning. There's no a strong indication in the PM whatsoever that all townies are humans and there is nothing to follow up on with GE , other than that he survived a night attack and refuses to provide any info.
Beskar with a pure OMGUS vote following the logic in other posts.

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I don't want to have to read all that.

Vote: Somebody

This case against God Emperor is terrible. The case against Arjos is only slightly less terrible, but good enough for day 1. Also, anyone who reads god or demon in the write ups shouldn't be surprised as:

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Then, in a single day, Angra Mainyu unveiled his plan. In a single day, Gods and Demons alike turned on the Heavens and Netherworld and joined him, and he took the city of Babylon and all its empire, in just one day.

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this is in the intro. God or Demon does not necessarily mean mafia.

Everyone vote for woad&fangs. There's a perfectly acceptable AND appropriate case on woad for day one: He's got fangs.

I saw him eating a spicy denizen of the Netherworld-ball.

You people and your "cases". :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Everyone vote for woad&fangs. There's a perfectly acceptable AND appropriate case on woad for day one: He's got fangs.

I saw him eating a spicy denizen of the Netherworld-ball.

You people and your "cases". :rolleyes:

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Tsk, tsk. Has Midgard 3 broken your spirit so completely that you're trolling from round one?

Hm, I don't think any of you guys should get Cashews and Milk.

Yaropolk, quoted for you from the OP:

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Originally Posted by issaikhaan

While the Gods and Demons were fighting, they awakened an ancient, powerful foe, Angra Mainyu. Mainyu had been in wait for thousands of years after being banished. He took the land between earth and the Netherworld. The Gods and Demons continued their battle anyways, thinking he wasn't important. Then, in a single day, Angra Mainyu unveiled his plan. In a single day, Gods and Demons alike turned on the Heavens and Netherworld and joined him, and he took the city of Babylon and all its empire, in just one day.

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Emphasis by me.

So yes, Khazaars assumption that Gods and Demons will only be found among the Mafia is wrong.

We aren't allowed to quote 'khaans PMs but the mass PM to everyone indicates in no way that all townies are humans. Period.

Leaves yours and Beskar's vote.
You say your's was a pressure vote. Fair enough.

Beskar did not follow the logic of the others because there is no logic to follow. He voted GE because it was easy and GE voted him. It is something that will need further analysis down the road should Beskar be around later.

Now I'm fine with pressuring people to provide information but let's for a moment assume that GE is a town power role. What do you want him to reveal now, to all of us, to the Mafia as well? What exactly could he say that would satisfy our need to know? Nothing. We need more info. I want another kill attempt by the guy that attacked him to analyse that character more. I want another night to see what happens. Again: GE is by no means a confirmed townie but lynching him D1 because he's some kind of power role is not a good idea. We need more evidence.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Everyone vote for woad&fangs. There's a perfectly acceptable AND appropriate case on woad for day one: He's got fangs.

I saw him eating a spicy denizen of the Netherworld-ball.

You people and your "cases". :rolleyes:

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YOUR LOGIC IS INFALLIBLE MY GOOD SIR!

Unvote; Vote: Woad&Fangs

FOR VICTOLY AND LARGE MULTICOLORED WORDS!

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Originally Posted by ELITEOFKWARMAN88GINGERBREADMAN

Hm, I don't think any of you guys should get Cashews and Milk.

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Thank God :D

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Originally Posted by Tratorix

Tsk, tsk. Has Midgard 3 broken your spirit so completely that you're trolling from round one?

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HEY!

There's nothing wrong with that!
He might actually live this time!

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Originally Posted by Tratorix

Tsk, tsk. Has Midgard 3 broken your spirit so completely that you're trolling from round one?

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Ladies and gentlemen of the Netherworld, I'm just a pizza man. I fell on hard times and later got a job delivering cheese pies to folks who "preciate" me but don't tip. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my Chevy... and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my laptop computer, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know - when a man like woad&fangs shows up in the Netherworld covered in woad, baring his fangs, then he is entitled to no less than two votes for being woad, and two votes for being fangs.

Thank you.

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Bah.. Just lost my pm due to a disconnected internet :/ .. anyway I will try to write it again...

I was asked why I spent time to defend TLD and not myself: It appeared to me that he was becoming a very popular choice for a lynch and I was not to pleased with that. I did not defend myself because I am really not certain how much I wish to reveal at this stage. I need to think things a bit over.
This however created a good deal of activity, and that is nice to see.. It is however not nice to see how Arjos, is not placing his vote where his mouth is. I would not mind at all if he was lynched.. In fact I will give a hand :P
Unvote; Vote: Arjos

I have recieved some pms and a messenger message, or so, and that is all very good, but I feel that it is a good idea to direct one of these pm talks to the public.. At least it is worth knowing that Ironside is quiet active off thread, judging by his pms, but that he is not showed up in thread at all (haven't cast a vote yet, as far as I can see). I can make the pm conversation public if that is desired by anyone..

Now for myself, I am sorry I am not still going to reveal much.. Well because I need to think it over a bit more, and I hope that can be accepted :) it's a bit difficult to decide what is good to reveal and what is not, but it will come. You can of course go forward to presure me into revealing all, but I would prefer that did not happen ^^

Fluffy, if you want it to show up as full size, do this:

[img]link to the image, but host it yourself please[/img]

If you use the buttons in the advanced editor it attaches it. And then shrinks it, methinks.

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Originally Posted by classical_hero

How do you know he wasn't attacked by a bad guy, but a good guy? But I won't vote for GE either. vote:DiamondEye

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What has that vote to do with anything you said. Or are you just "playing the odds" like Romanic? It's innocent enough for the first couple of people D1. But if it happens later, I'm going to say it's a bad reason (or, no reason at all) for a vote.

In general, "playing the odds" like that is silly. Law of averages and such.

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Originally Posted by TheLastDays

Thank God :D

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You welcome.:balloon2:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Fluffy, if you want it to show up as full size, do this:

[img]link to the image, but host it yourself please[/img]

If you use the buttons in the advanced editor it attaches it. And then shrinks it, methinks.

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https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums...g?t=1312220998

YAY IT WORKS.

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums...g?t=1312221101

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

I have recieved some pms and a messenger message, or so, and that is all very good, but I feel that it is a good idea to direct one of these pm talks to the public.. At least it is worth knowing that Ironside is quiet active off thread, judging by his pms, but that he is not showed up in thread at all (haven't cast a vote yet, as far as I can see). I can make the pm conversation public if that is desired by anyone..

Now for myself, I am sorry I am not still going to reveal much.. Well because I need to think it over a bit more, and I hope that can be accepted :) it's a bit difficult to decide what is good to reveal and what is not, but it will come. You can of course go forward to presure me into revealing all, but I would prefer that did not happen ^^

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Well I didn't want to vote before deciding if it should be on you or not. My other significant day 1 contribution would otherwise be a simple random vote, you know very important stuff (that actually did kill me in the revengening).

Do you usually out pm conversations (and I won't mind you displaying those) or did you find a not yet posting semi-lurker unusually suspect?

[Removed - GH]

Unvote, vote: TheLastDays

Although I'll probably switch back to woad, because there's an ironclad case which proves his guilt beyond all doubt.

Pizza: No quoting chatlogs.

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Originally Posted by Andres

I don't understand why people are voting God Emperor.

He was attacked on N1.

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There was a night phase already?

unvote;vote: TheLastDays

Oh poopy. Good catch.

There was nothing incriminating in it. It was basically a joke.

Also, I think it's folly to examine the writeup this closely when we really have no idea what anything is. Since most of the candidates this round are based off that, I like my vote where it is. :snobby:

Round over. Doing the tally now.

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

Now for myself, I am sorry I am not still going to reveal much.. Well because I need to think it over a bit more, and I hope that can be accepted :) it's a bit difficult to decide what is good to reveal and what is not, but it will come. You can of course go forward to presure me into revealing all, but I would prefer that did not happen ^^

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Hmmm... this comment seems oddly familiar for some reason I can't quite put my finger on.

You all deserve to lose if you do not lynch GE after a scumtastic comment like this.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Also, I think it's folly to examine the writeup this closely when we really have no idea what anything is. Since most of the candidates this round are based off that, I like my vote where it is. :snobby:

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Only one of the candidates is based off that. The second one (me) is based off the fact that I didn't want people to lynch the candidate that was based off the writeup and the third candidate is the one that based the candidate off th writeup.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

What has that vote to do with anything you said. Or are you just "playing the odds" like Romanic? It's innocent enough for the first couple of people D1. But if it happens later, I'm going to say it's a bad reason (or, no reason at all) for a vote.

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I could vote you for snuggling me (in a sort of backwards way).

I couldn't even vote! Argh, we need longer days...

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Originally Posted by SoulBlade

I couldn't even vote! Argh, we need longer days...

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https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums...g?t=1312224085
I'm back!

Angra Mainyu stood from his throne. Having kept attention to the discussion, he was certain who was to be offered to him. "TheLastDays, come forward!" Mainyu boomed to crowd. TLD was shuffled to the front by a small group, and they pushed him to the ground in front of their lord. "Does anyone have any last comments for the condemned?" Mainyu asked.

"It's Arjos!" A voice yelled out. "I'm sure!"

"He's right!" another yelled out.

"Me too, I think its Arjos!"

"It's gotta be him!"

"Let TLD go, its Arjos!"

Mainyu was almost baffled when Arjos was pushed alongside TLD in front of him. Seemed support for both deaths was strong. Angra Mainyu stared into their eyes, to guage them himself. He pointed a finger out at TheLastDays. "Looks like.... fortune smiles on you today." With that, he picked up Arjos by the scruff of the neck, and windmill slammed him down in front of the throne. Mainyu pulled his sword from its sheath, and plunged it into the gut of Arjos. Mainyu motioned to a guard. "Please, remove this from my sight," indicating Arjos' limp form.

He turned back to the crowd gathered. "Good luck to you all tonight. Have fun, wherever you hide, scum..."




Arjos 8 (God Emperor, Zack, Renata, Believer, Diamondeye, Arjos, Robbiecon, TheLastDays)
TheLastDays 7 (Beskar, ATPG, Glyphz, Arjos, Earthling, Seon, B_ray)
God Emperor 3 (Beskar, Khazaar, Yaropolk)
SoulBlade 1 (White eyes)
Woad & Fangs 2 (Fluffy, Dcmort)
Fluffy 2 (Secura, Chaotix)
Johnhughthom 2 (Johnhughthom, Riedquat)
Beskar 1 (God Emperor)
GeneralHankerchief 1 (Choxorn)
Yaropolk 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
Riedquat 1 (Johnhughthom)
B_ray 1 (woad&fangs)
Diamondeye 1 (Romanic)
Diamondeye 1 (Classical Hero)
Abstain 1 (Reenk)


NIGHT 2 BEGINS NOW! PLEASE SEND ME ORDERS WITHIN 24 HOURS.

Alive: 36

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
Autolycus
Believer
Beskar
B_Ray
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Double A
Earthling
Fluffy
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
God Emperor
Ironside
Khazaar
Reenk
Renata
Riedquat
Robbiecon
Romanic
Secura
Seon
SoulBlade
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
White Eyes
Yaropolk
Zach



Killed: 3

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)

Lynched: 1

Arjos (D1)

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Hmmm... this comment seems oddly familiar for some reason I can't quite put my finger on.

You all deserve to lose if you do not lynch GE after a scumtastic comment like this.

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I hadn't seen that comment... That's not good enough, GE. You'll need to tell us more, as soon as night ends.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

You'll need to tell us more, as soon as night ends.

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You shouldn't wait, you should make him tell you right now. If he's a pro-town role, the mafia already know it. He gains nothing by hiding if he's pro-town. The only benefit he gets out of stalling is buying more time as scum. Plus, there's the fact that he survived a night kill. How many pro-town roles do you know that are night-kill immune? Not exactly a balanced power for a pro-town role to have. Finally, there's the fact that the write-up specifically shows GE up and about and 'active' last night.

Make him confess now.

And then lynch him no matter what he says.

[edit]Oh, one more thing. He's very happy to ID Ironside as potential scum simply because Ironside is more active via PMs than in the thread. That's an incredibly scummy move, essentially just tossing a possible pro-town role ID out into the public thread for no reason whatsoever. What was the point in saying that? It doesn't even look like GE tried to verify whether Ironside was pro-town or not, GE just concluded that Ironside had a role and that was a good enough reason for GE to want to publicly ID Ironside and get him lynched. GE is the scummist scum that ever scummed.

I still didn't understand Arjos' role. Any enlightenment?

Vote: woad&fangs

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Vote: woad&fangs

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:rolleyes:

If I were mafia I would do this to make it look like I wasn't paying attention.

Posted from a mobile telephony device

etc.

PIZZA!
GRAB MY FACE!

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Originally Posted by SoulBlade

I still didn't understand Arjos' role. Any enlightenment?

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Oh, just a wild guess that can't possibly be true, maybe basic human townie?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

You shouldn't wait, you should make him tell you right now. If he's a pro-town role, the mafia already know it. He gains nothing by hiding if he's pro-town. The only benefit he gets out of stalling is buying more time as scum. Plus, there's the fact that he survived a night kill. How many pro-town roles do you know that are night-kill immune? Not exactly a balanced power for a pro-town role to have. Finally, there's the fact that the write-up specifically shows GE up and about and 'active' last night.

Make him confess now.

And then lynch him no matter what he says.

[edit]Oh, one more thing. He's very happy to ID Ironside as potential scum simply because Ironside is more active via PMs than in the thread. That's an incredibly scummy move, essentially just tossing a possible pro-town role ID out into the public thread for no reason whatsoever. What was the point in saying that? It doesn't even look like GE tried to verify whether Ironside was pro-town or not, GE just concluded that Ironside had a role and that was a good enough reason for GE to want to publicly ID Ironside and get him lynched. GE is the scummist scum that ever scummed.

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I don't know about the "behind the scenes" stuff, GE does that as scum all the time so it'd be logical for him to assume the same applies to others.

Still, as long as I have a reveal when I throw my vote tomorrow, I'm glad. GE, get on it!

If he doesn't reveal by night's end, then the first order of the day is to place votes on him, if he is still alive by then.

edit: issaikhaan, the final tally is showing error, though it does not change that Arjos has the highest count

Tally:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Arjos: 8 - God_Emperor, Zack, Renata, Believer, Diamondeye, Andres, TheLastDays, robbiecon

TheLastDays: 7 - Beskar, Askthepizzaguy, glyphz, Earthling, B_Ray, Arjos, Seon

johnhughthom: 2 - Riedquat, ELITEOfWARMAN...
Diamondeye: 2 - Romanic, classical_hero
Fluffy: 2 - Secura, Chaotix
God_Emperor: 2 - Khazaar, Yaropolk
woad&fangs:2 - dcmort93, Fluffy

B_Ray - woad&fangs
Yaropolk - GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief - Choxorn
SoulBlade - White_eyes:D

abstain: n0rg3 Roink, CaptainBlackadder

Curse you Pizza! I have been outed once again as a god. I am Brittania, the godly embodiment of the Britons. When you are ripped apart by my historically inaccurate war-dogs during the night phase, you will rue the day you voted for me!

You do realize that I am pizza, and therefore accustomed to being ripped apart and eaten?

Why don't you threaten me with freezer burn or something actually scary.

Eh, so it looks like the writeups will come before I come back from work most days. :(

I believe we should let God Emperor alone for a while. Typical situation where he's either a power role or a bad guy. If he's still alive in 2 days we can force a claim out of him.

Luckily (or not) the Scums should make our decision easier, as they're likely to kill GE soon, unless they feel gutsy enough to let a possible power role acting around.

You don't lynch a possible power role just because he's shown surviving a night attack anyway. It would help if GE didn't write this though:

"sorry I am not still going to reveal much.. Well because I need to think it over a bit more, and I hope that can be accepted :) it's a bit difficult to decide what is good to reveal and what is not, but it will come. You can of course go forward to presure me into revealing all, but I would prefer that did not happen ^^"

Standing right next to TinCow about finding this scummy. Would have been better left unsaid. :smug2:

I'm gonna need to buy a smartphone just to keep up with these games while I'm at work.

I'm currently focused on the God Emperor question. I understand his position of not wanting to reveal his role on Day 1, but at the same time, he's almost guaranteed to be a mafia target very soon, if not tonight. So it doesn't seem like there's anything to lose by revealing now before it's too late (unless, of course, he's scum). Having said that, if he is indeed a pro-town role, I could also see how it might be preferable to keep his role secret, so that the mafia do not know what role they have eliminated. Perhaps a private reveal to someone he trusts would be best?

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Perhaps a private reveal to someone he trusts would be best?

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How can he trust anyone? How can any of us trust anyone? It's only Night 2.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

How can he trust anyone? How can any of us trust anyone? It's only Night 2.

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You can definitely trust Pizza.
Absolutely no way he is scum.
No siree.

I trust you, GH. :sweetheart:

Even though I voted for TLD, I think he would be an obvious choice for GE right now. If I was in his place and thought I was about to die, that's probably what I would do.

For those who think GE needs to be given more time, I think you need to re-read the game rules. I have bolded the relevant portions for your convenience:

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There will be one main mafia faction, consisting of four players. Their goal will be the extermination of all town forces and all neutral roles which may have conflicting victory conditions. There will be a number of pro-town roles, including at least one doctor, one watcher, a mason group, and a couple 'variety' roles to compliment the 'normal' townies. Lastly, as always, there will be a couple independent roles. These may have their own victory conditions, or may be able to tie themselves to a group(town or mafia). Generally speaking, I reserve the craziest of my ideas for neutrals, since they tend to start alone and have the hardest challenge for winning, so the independent roles might be a cult or a dragon or a shark with laser beams or anything else my brain has spawned. The main thing to expect is a fair bit of chaos and ambiguity. I rarely give yes/no or black/white answers to questions. Many roles which will have hidden abilities. If they do, you will never be told them by me, but with some homework, you may be able to guess on your own what they are. Some roles may gain or lose powers based on game events. If your role changes in this manner, I will inform you. Lastly, its a guilty pleasure of mine to confuse players, particularly pro-town networks. Make sure to take care of who you trust. :wink:

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Pro-town roles do not survive night kills because it is not balanced. GE is almost certainly an independent role. Independent roles are major liabilities and should be eliminated because they can never be trusted, particularly in the Netherworld series. If you leave him alive for later, you will probably never lynch him. There will always be someone else who's scummier or who you think is more worthy of a lynch at that particular moment. Before you know it, there will be 4 people left, and one will be GE. Lynch him now. You won't get a better lynch option for Day 2. In addition, if you don't lynch him he will remain lynch bait forever for these reasons, and will constantly be a distraction to the town. Get it over with.

Ahahahahahahahah...
Looking forward next chapters, I like your writing style 'khaan ^^
As TinCow said, this town will hardly succeed though :P

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For those who think GE needs to be given more time, I think you need to re-read the game rules. I have bolded the relevant portions for your convenience:



Pro-town roles do not survive night kills because it is not balanced. GE is almost certainly an independent role. Independent roles are major liabilities and should be eliminated because they can never be trusted, particularly in the Netherworld series. If you leave him alive for later, you will probably never lynch him. There will always be someone else who's scummier or who you think is more worthy of a lynch at that particular moment. Before you know it, there will be 4 people left, and one will be GE. Lynch him now. You won't get a better lynch option for Day 2. In addition, if you don't lynch him he will remain lynch bait forever for these reasons, and will constantly be a distraction to the town. Get it over with.

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This all makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, you're dead and therefore no one will listen to you.

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you're dead and therefore no one will listen to you.

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It's fun to be a ghost :D
I think I got some mafia in the votes I got, ended with getting too many, would have preferred to die during the night as a confirmation for those people...
God Emperor might have easier time now, still GL to him for his role ^^

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This all makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, you're dead and therefore no one will listen to you.

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I am dead via mafia, which gives me credibility. Plus, this is Netherworld; death is only an inconvenience. :grin:

My associates, please deal with this. :bow:

No quoting pms, please, even silly ones.

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My associates, please deal with this. :bow:

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Quoting PMs is illegal.

Zack, you naughty boy. You say "yes" to such requests. It's either a scumbag who has the most unfortunate recruiting system this side of Capo, or someone having fun with you. Go along for the ride, man!

*smack* For being so silly.

Well, he asked me that N1, and I said "of course!". I just barely sent him the PM he quoted.

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I'm gonna need to buy a smartphone just to keep up with these games while I'm at work.

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Scum!

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This all makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, you're dead and therefore no one will listen to you.

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Wrong. He makes a alot of sense. I'm definitely listening (so don't stop speaking, TC :beam: )

Bah humbug sickness and work, sorry for not voting 'khaan :embarassed:

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[edit]Oh, one more thing. He's very happy to ID Ironside as potential scum simply because Ironside is more active via PMs than in the thread. That's an incredibly scummy move, essentially just tossing a possible pro-town role ID out into the public thread for no reason whatsoever. What was the point in saying that? It doesn't even look like GE tried to verify whether Ironside was pro-town or not, GE just concluded that Ironside had a role and that was a good enough reason for GE to want to publicly ID Ironside and get him lynched. GE is the scummist scum that ever scummed.

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The second reason alone at this juncture is enough to warrant a lynch on GE. If he's pro-town, he's dead anyway or lynch bait, so if he really wanted to help he should have stopped being dead weight and tried to help the town, not stall for time.

In any case, he has a strong chance of being anti-town and his now lynch-bait status does no favors for anyone even if he was pro-town.

Needs to be lynched.

Edit: Curiously it appears that I have stumbled upon the secret of always posting on mobile devices (despite using a comp). I am now undetectable when using a smart phone to access mafia muahaha!!

Double Edit: Oh wait its just Firefox 4.0

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Pro-town roles do not survive night kills because it is not balanced. GE is almost certainly an independent role. Independent roles are major liabilities and should be eliminated because they can never be trusted, particularly in the Netherworld series. If you leave him alive for later, you will probably never lynch him. There will always be someone else who's scummier or who you think is more worthy of a lynch at that particular moment. Before you know it, there will be 4 people left, and one will be GE. Lynch him now. You won't get a better lynch option for Day 2. In addition, if you don't lynch him he will remain lynch bait forever for these reasons, and will constantly be a distraction to the town. Get it over with.

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You make a lot of sense here and my whole move to save GE from a Day 1 lynch was before his "Hihihi I'm not telling you everything"-post. That post was actually scummy as hell the netherworld and imo he is a very solid lynch for Day 2. I'D still like to see a full role reveal if he survives the night. Who knows... If it's as well thought out as yours in the first Netherworld we should give him a fair chance of winning :clown:

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This all makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, you're dead and therefore no one will listen to you.

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Incorrect. He was more than likely killed by the Mafia and his kill description makes him look very town-aligned and that's very good reasons to listen to him. Now you and Arjos are two completely different stories :wink:]

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Scum!



Wrong. He makes a alot of sense. I'm definitely listening (so don't stop speaking, TC :beam: )

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You if anybody should certainly know about it. ~;)

I agree with Tincow's accessment. Didn't get anything conclusive out of the pm conversation, but it did lean me more towards that GE is scum rather than townie.

This is all confusing to me. :balloon2:

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This is all confusing to me. :balloon2:

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Would you please change your name to something shorter, preferably something which isn't in all caps? Please?