But I'm not finished, oh no no no. You see, I can't just give you one name. There's bunches of scums, and I don't want to leave any turns unstoned.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Remember, it could be a red-herring team-kill.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
If Pizza is town: HA, YOU WERE WRONG
Yeah, it's funny.... it's the exact thing I said yesterday about how you couldn't necessarily trust my results because if I were indeed scum, and memnon was scum, and johhog was scum, then we've cleared us.
Thing is, I'm dead.
If Memnon and Johhog continue to survive, and they don't get scanned by others to confirm, don't you think it's gonna be a teensy-weensy bit suspicious? And then that takes down at least two of us. Could it be done? Yes. Could I do it? Yes. Would I kill myself to do it?
Nah.... and if the chain continues, populus Romanus scans another townie, then what? that person scans Memnon or Johhog.
There's not enough mafia scumbags to complete the chain.
It means if player Populus scans goes ahead and scans Memnon or Johhog, and it turns out that player is mafia, then there is no debate, there is no discussion. It means I was mafia for the false scan on memnon, and Memnon was mafia for falsely scanning Johhog.
That means 3 of us die, and I'm already dead, and I just told you how to unravel our evil plans.
Why? Because I have great big giant diamonds, or is it because it's WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
No, I think you took one for the team, so to speak.
Seriously, if we don't have a killer ID'd by Day 6...
Then that means everyone who was scanned was townie, because I just told you how to confirm Memnon and myself and Johhog.
All you have to do is scan Memnon or Johhog with whoever Populus Romanus scans. It's impossible for the scums to keep up the charade at that point, because A townie would have had to scan A mafia before then, or else Populus Romanus' scanee is going to find mafia for reals, and that scanee is going to be townie as well, since there's not enough scums to complete the chain.
So, you're smearing my good name after I'm dead, by insisting I followed a plan that is extremely absurd and I just destroyed with my own words.
It could work. The three kill you, you scan one of them, and they clear three for the price of one.
Say that a little louder so they can hear you. :evil:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
Vote: Montmorency
Same reasoning.
Vote: Populus Romanus
Love it. This guy is townie.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Isn't that like a textbook scumtell?
Naw.
This quote, on the other hand, is a textbook scumtell. :bounce:
Montmorency or Seamus Fermanagh today. Really, either one will do..... :evilgrin:
1. Montmorency
2. Seamus Fermanagh
Who else? Come on, I wanna hit em all.
08-30-2011, 10:07
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Self vote the shirt, we can?
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Spoke first in the opening write up, clearly scum.
Dare I bring out the dreaded OMGUS case? :stare: Not to mention, you were in the writeup too, my friend.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
unvote, vote: Believer
I don't care what random.org said, voting newbies is poor form.
Vote: Memnon
Welcome to mafia at the org, only a few of us are as ill-mannered as that Believer chap.
Snuggling Memnon, and voting for someone I find very townie right at the moment. That's three strikes so far. Let's go for some more.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
Is Memnon new? I had no clue. :(
OMGUS will do just as well as random. Unvote; Vote: JHT
You have done well, my young apprentice. Your hate has made you powerful.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
vote: Memnon seems to be the consensus
vote: JHT - I actually really like the choice of JHT :laugh4:
Also, where's my role PM?
Yes.... it was a good choice. What happened then? Did you get lynched? Hmm?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Vote: TheLastDays
"I didn't get a PM" posts are a ploy as old as the hills and should be discouraged. Populous, you may well be next for the same reason unless another candidate comes along. Nice spoof of this pizza.
Vote: ATPG
He's a fine fellow. Why not?
By the way, B Ray, you were supposed to vote for me to get the shirt since I am "lengendary," not vote to lynch me. Naughty, naughty.....
Fortunately, we are all aware that "legendary" is only one little step up from "fictional." Any heroic character I possess is of the Flashman variety.
Right, Seamus drops in and votes for you. Uh-huh.... and he's not in any way scummy.
Maybe because you voted for johnny boy? Hmm?
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
Huh? my you really don't like bad jokes, do you?
unvote 'twas a joke too
random vote: Montmorency
Batting a thousand, my fellow zombie. Batting a thousand.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Double A
vote: Seamus Only his dead sexyness can tame the power of the Three Wolf Moon shirt, which will make it wearable by us mooks at a later date. It is for the good of me everyone!
vote: jht I hear from Bob who heard from Jill who heard from Jane who heard from Vader who heard from Steve who heard from him that he got a PM.
GOSH WHAT HAPPENED TO DOUBLE A?
Who stoled the batteries? Why would Double A die, he's such a harmless bloke!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
VOTE: TheLastDays VOTE: Memnon
I'm just wanting to blend in with the crowd and don't reveal myself as scum.
Nah, but I agree with the view that the "I haven't got a role PM yet OHALP" post was scummy. Furthermore, why did you unvote and then making another random vote?
Memnon can get the shirt. MOAR SHIRTS TO THE CROWD!
Now, Johhog is townie, but what happens when votes pile up on TheLastDays?
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Unvote, Vote: TLD
It's not a great case, but it's better than letting myself get lynched.
Oh squirmy. :laugh4:
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastDays
It's a very bad case but I'll volunteer as the first day lynch since JHT was killed N1 in my last game. unvote, vote: TLD
No, TheLastDays. You should not have rushed to face Vader.... incomplete was your training.
Fallen, the shroud of the dark side, has.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I will oblige.
Unvote, Vote: TLD
Your sacrifice will be in vain. Your death shall be forgotten.
Go gentle. Go soft. :bow:
LOOKIE WHO IT IS!
Guess Seamus and Montmorency dinn't want Johnny to die, eh? eh? EH???
Well, seeing as I suggested him earlier I may as well honour the wishes of the dead and
vote: Seamus Fermanagh
And because it's the logical choice:
vote: Populus Romanus
EDIT: Pizza, now I see how you got that obscenely high post count :yes:. On a completely unrelated tangent, the Org really needs a 'chuckling gently' smiley as well as the 'laughing maniacally' one - there's no middle ground between that and the one I used here, which means I have to convey my tone by writing intelligibly instead of spamming emoticons; obviously a terrible scenario.
08-30-2011, 10:12
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Is there a number four candidate? Help me looks.
08-30-2011, 10:28
Johhog
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Sorry guys, but I'm tired and won't give any reasoning until tonight. I pretty much agree with ATPG however. VOTE: Seamus Fermanagh VOTE: PopulusRomanus
Investigate Montmorency tonight, please.
08-30-2011, 10:35
johnhughthom
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Vote: Seamus
Vote: PoopyRoman
Yes Pizza, you need to get that fourth candidate. That will be half the players you'll have said are mafia, you've a great chance at being right with some of them and saying "See, see everybody, I was right. I'm Askthepizzaguy and I'm awesome." And stuff.
So, would WIFOM be an acceptable defence to you right now? Kinda, I wouldn't kill you if mafia and stuff like that. No? Okay.
Why are you so focused on four mafia?
08-30-2011, 10:45
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Askthepizzaguy: I know there is much we can learn from each other if we can negotiate a truce. We can find a way to coexist. Can there be a peace between us?
Yes, Askthepizzaguy should be your first target, he's hasn't been targeted in the first night of any game in ever. In ever.
Congrats on not hitting me N1. Funny, I even asked for it this time. :2thumbsup:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
Alright, I've decided that I'm not going to type out Warman's ridiculous name, I will continue to refer to him as Warman. Since I don't really want to type out Populous Romanus either though, I will refer to him as Pop Rocks.
Vote: Pop Rocks for confusing me.
:inquisitive:
That's a very lame case.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Vote: Johhog, reasons as above.
Vote: Populous as a means of exerting pressure. Thoughts?
I think you're scum!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
Really not liking this bandwagon, especially Believer and Montmorency. Believer especially seems to have just jumped on both popular votes, not to mention he's third on the bandwagon. But then Monty comes along with an even weaker vote.
Unvote: PR, Vote: Montmorency
Ooh hold the telly. What's all this then?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
No lynch is better for town. It gives us time to identify everyone. Of course, it's not good for the backlog of Mafia games. I just realized that recently.
What did I say in Swords and D20's III. Anyone here remember? What did I say?
And was I scum for saying it? Yeeeep.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
No lynches are lame!
I'm guilty. Lynch me.
No lynches are lame. Wanna know why?
Nearly killed John D1
Nearly killed Montmorency D2
That's why. :smash:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Voting "no lynch" in the early game feeds right into mafia goals. The mafia wants to be the only ones killing early on so as to minimize the chance of early investigations identifying one. The time for "no lynch" votes, if ever, is in the mid to late game when investigation suspects have been narrowed. Moreover, your assumption of one mid-game lynch in your metric is optimistic in practice. Read over some of Sasaki's comments on the no lynch route.
Populus squirmed enough for now. Unvote: Populus; Vote: Montmorency.
You're just too willing to let the mafia set the pace. Believer too, with his minimal vote support and third on the bandwagon status, also bears some evaluation.
Here we go, call some bluffs.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
unvote, vote: Montmorency
I'm doing the lazy strategy this time because I'm still disappoint.
Scan me tonight.
Monty wagon!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by bestrfcplayer
Meh. B_Ray. Haven't really been following up on this game so.........
Seems completely uninterested in the pressure on Monty.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
Alright then, now that's clarified I'll
vote: Johhog
And, on a hunch (read: random guess as nobody has made a decent case yet)
vote: Seamus Fermanagh
Me likey.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seon
I think I will vote Ishmael because his hesitant play-it-safe attitude seems unfitting for a townie.
Interesting. And Seon was murdered promptly thereafter?
Maybe to frame Ishmael? :2thumbsup: After all, we already killed guy voting for Johnhughthom. Now we can't keep killing folks that vote for us, that would be rather obvious.
And what happens next? Vote was tied. By whom?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I'm not going to hunt through several thousand posts for this, so I'll take your word for it.
Unvote; Vote: PopulusRomanus
I thought we'd at least compromised on "better for mid-to-late game."
But but but but what happened to No Lynch?
Oh yeah, tying the vote makes it a No Lynch.
So, no consistent policy except to self-save. And he's voting to lynch a person who got scanned as a townie.
AND he's panicking! Oh I love it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
And Johhog has a good target.
Do I detect the sweet smell of perfect information syndrome and distancing, the heady mix of herbs and spices that leads me to believe you're both scum?
Yes, yes I do.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
We are now honor-bound to defend each other to the death. We share a bond deeper than that known by any other men.
Snuggling the dude you tried to kill? Feeling rather exposed, aren't ya?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
Indeed I have, but not who you think...
So Johhog thinks that it is Populus Romanus who was scum in that equation.
Well, close. But I'm not the one who's so far away.
Can't leta guy have a bit of fun, eh? I wasn't particularly serious about the No Lynch campaign, it came about by accident yesterday. I just noted that if patience and the Mafia schedule/calendar were not issues, we would be better off not lynching for a while.
But a veteran did say No Lynches were useful near the endgame, so we'll see when we get there.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Hear that, scum? MURDER ME AND IT STOPS
ROFLCOPTER!!!
WASN'T SERIOUS ABOUT THE NO LYNCH CAMPAIGN???? You argued harder for that than anything else this whole game.
LYNCH THIS SCUMBAG.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
No death reveals, hadn't noticed that.
Vote: ATPG
A chance to discredit Memnon, Johhog, and Populus Romanus?
Sign me up, says scum John.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
What do you think happens when scum get the shirt?
Vote: Johhog
For now.
Or you could lynch THIS scumbag.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
That's what I'm saying. If you three are innocent, and Pizza is Mafia, then you will all (presumably) come up as Mafia.
I just don't know. Suggesting that I get the shirt here would be laughable, but I guess I will try.
Vote: Montmorency
Take a chance on me? :/
And that hurricane tweren't even a thang, the tornado did loads more damage.
You REALLY want that shirt, dontcha?
Don't you wish your buddies had a shirt like this?
Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Ray
holy crap, tl;dr
OK, since ATPVolcano has erupted from its dormant state, would someone be willing to summarize the new strategy? It obviously involves lynching Johhog, but why are we all giving ATPG the Sacred Shirt?
Oh, B_ray.... you were doing so well.
Tsk tsk tsk.
You like the bad idea I had, but HATE the good idea I had? Such a shame.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I'm sane, Pizza? How nice of you to say so.
There's a problem here though. If you are town, then why would you have a huge, flailing seizure as soon as someone votes you? And of course that would just lead to more votes on you, I mean, come on. Of course, maybe you do just have genuine anger management issues, so eh.
If you really are Mafia, then this situation would be perfect. You check Memnon, he turns up Mafia, and we waste three lynches. Mafia wins.
And you know what? Better to waste one lynch than 3. I'm not going to vote you for anything. I recommend everyone else do the same. Can we find another good shirt candidate, someone besides Pizza?
Unvote: Populus Romanus
This is the scummiest post yet in the game.
You do remember that it is the host that reveals the result of the lynch, not the player himself? So there is no way for mafia to fudge up who's guilty. You deserve this lynch.
Unvote; Abstain
Vote: Montmorency
Holy poop, Believer is ON FIRE!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
And I noted that if Pizza is Mafia, his scan of Memnon would likely mark him as Mafia. This would end in the town wasting 3 lynches on Memnon, Johhog, and Populus. Which would cost town the game.
Monty HATES me scanning Memnon. :laugh4: I love his unrealistic scare tactic "This would end in the town wasting 3 lynches" because obviously townies never change their minds over the course of three rounds?
Can't even keep their minds in one spot on ONE round.
What happens next? My unvote of Johhog actually spares Johhog
Not Voting: 6 (bestrfcplayer, Montmorency, Populus Romanus, Seamus Fermanagh, Yaropolk, Warman)
You're welcome, Joh! :bow:
Sadly, I should have followed Believer.
Look who was voting for you, Johhog. Johnhughthom and Tratorix. At least one of those is a dirty scumbag.
So no lynch, and what happens next?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
So you were scum, Pizzaboy! :grin2:
Re-he-he-he-he-he-eeeally? :mellow:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Got to this late on Sunday.
Interesting argument from pizza, and I agree it would be a deliciouslsy devious trick by Zack.
Surprisingly, for me, memnon voted for monty without much support and then when pressured, voted for warman....a second vote for little reason in the same round. Does seem like squirming to me.
I would've vote memnon
Really Seamus?
Monty looks scummier than Memnon during that exchange. :book:
So anyways.
1. Montmorency
2. Johnhughthom
3. Seamus Fermanagh or B_Ray
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Yes Pizza, you need to get that fourth candidate. That will be half the players you'll have said are mafia, you've a great chance at being right with some of them and saying "See, see everybody, I was right. I'm Askthepizzaguy and I'm awesome." And stuff.
So, would WIFOM be an acceptable defence to you right now? Kinda, I wouldn't kill you if mafia and stuff like that. No? Okay.
Why are you so focused on four mafia?
How about we lynch Montmorency before Seamus Fermanagh? I'm more sure on him, or Johnhughthom.
Seamus could just be my coincidentally looks like a scumbag townie in between two scumbags.
And John, this is possibly the single scummiest post I've ever seen, anywhere, ever, ever, ever, ever.
I bet you 1,000 pizzaguy points that John is scum with Montmorency.
Less sure on Seamus.
08-30-2011, 10:46
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Just to reiterate, I'm much much more sure on John and Monty than I am on Seamus.
Scan Seamus, kill Monty or John.
08-30-2011, 10:55
Ishmael
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
I do buy your logic, although it obviously isn't 100% conclusive, but I'm also voting Seamus for selfish reasons - if he turns out to be scum and I'm talked out of lynching him, I'll feel terribly embarrassed after the game is over (I'm looking at you, Visorslash).
08-30-2011, 10:58
Johhog
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Oh well, I'll blindly follow ATPG just to stand there like an idiot if he's wrong. :shifty: UNVOTE: Seamus Fermanagh
VOTE: Montmorency
Scan Seamus then and if all goes as planned we lynch JHT tomorrow?
08-30-2011, 10:59
Johhog
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Oh, almost forgot, what do you have to say about Warman ATPG? He's a lot quieter than normal.
08-30-2011, 11:04
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
Oh, almost forgot, what do you have to say about Warman ATPG? He's a lot quieter than normal.
Firstly, I just want to say you're awesome for even bothering to read all that.
As for Warman, his style of play is to not be particularly discussion-oriented. He will vote, usually, so he's not a worthless townie when he's townie.
You hear that Warman? Positive things to say.
That said, if he's scum, he's not going to leave a lot of tells other than his vote record. And he's leaving a vote record to examine.
See who flips scum, don't even bother scanning him yet. So far, his play reads okay to me. Not in the same style as a talker player, but still contributing in his own way.
08-30-2011, 11:05
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
Oh well, I'll blindly follow ATPG just to stand there like an idiot if he's wrong. :shifty: UNVOTE: Seamus Fermanagh
VOTE: Montmorency
Scan Seamus then and if all goes as planned we lynch JHT tomorrow?
Yes. This is a very good plan. I highly endorse it, I like it a lot.
Seamus is doing a scummy thing here or there, but others are doing way scummier things.
He warrants a scan, others warrant immediate death.
08-30-2011, 11:06
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
I do buy your logic, although it obviously isn't 100% conclusive, but I'm also voting Seamus for selfish reasons - if he turns out to be scum and I'm talked out of lynching him, I'll feel terribly embarrassed after the game is over (I'm looking at you, Visorslash).
It's fair enough Ishmael. I'm just pushing theories out there, I can't vote, and I can't stop you from doing your own thing.
Your objective as of right now is to find out which one is the best lynch that I'm not recommending. Don't leave it up to me to solve this, please by all means scum-hunt. It's pro-town of you to do so.
Find the scums, gimme reasons.
08-30-2011, 11:16
Visor
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
I do buy your logic, although it obviously isn't 100% conclusive, but I'm also voting Seamus for selfish reasons - if he turns out to be scum and I'm talked out of lynching him, I'll feel terribly embarrassed after the game is over (I'm looking at you, Visorslash).
:smug:
Who talked you out of lynching me? Monty?
08-30-2011, 11:22
Ishmael
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Visorslash
:smug:
Who talked you out of lynching me? Monty?
Myself :no:
08-30-2011, 11:29
Visor
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
:evilgrin:
08-30-2011, 11:32
Ishmael
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
I'll take a different approach to ATPG, and list the people I think aren't scum (no way that this will come back to bite me later, no sirree):
Ishmael :yes:
Believer
Bestrfcplayer
Tratorix
Yarapolk (most questionable of this lot, I don't really know his style)
I frankly can't be bothered to trawl through the thread to find evidence to support this list, and it's based entirely on intuition anyway. I'm also not really sold on B_Ray being scummy, but I'll refrain from making any judgement at present. Finally, I don't want to touch the scan results with a ten foot stick at the moment, considering all the weird mechanisms that have been bandied about - I'll let other people analyse those.
08-30-2011, 11:40
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
I'll take a different approach to ATPG, and list the people I think aren't scum (no way that this will come back to bite me later, no sirree):
Ishmael :yes:
Believer
Bestrfcplayer
Tratorix
Yarapolk (most questionable of this lot, I don't really know his style)
I frankly can't be bothered to trawl through the thread to find evidence to support this list, and it's based entirely on intuition anyway. I'm also not really sold on B_Ray being scummy, but I'll refrain from making any judgement at present. Finally, I don't want to touch the scan results with a ten foot stick at the moment, considering all the weird mechanisms that have been bandied about - I'll let other people analyse those.
I believe you on Believer.
I believe you on Bestrfc (for now).
Yaropolk I'd scan, not lynch. He's leaving few tells for sure, and he's not very flinchy. But he's VERY good, I wouldn't count him out as scum based on this record this game. he's good enough to pull it off.
Tratorix, I get the scummy vibes from. His vote on Monty could be distancing, I'm anxious to see if he follows up this round on Monty.
As for yourself, getting better. But the vote on me plus the shirt still made no sense. :wink: That's going to haunt you if we don't end this game quickly, Ishmael.
08-30-2011, 11:45
Ishmael
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Bear in mind that whilst I liked your idea of checking Memnon, I was seriously considering the possibility that you were Mafia pulling an all-or-nothing stunt that would either lynch you (but probably not your buddies), or win you all the game. Besides, I do play Mafia games for the purpose of enjoyment, and hence may not always do the most rational thing if it means I have fun (you'll note I was trying to break your 'streak' at the time :beam:).
08-30-2011, 11:47
Johhog
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
There is no way that Monty and Tratorix is scum together though, scum don't want to create connections among themselves in thread, as they did when they self voted for shirt and agreed on an alliance.
08-30-2011, 11:50
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
Bear in mind that whilst I liked your idea of checking Memnon, I was seriously considering the possibility that you were Mafia pulling an all-or-nothing stunt that would either lynch you (but probably not your buddies), or win you all the game. Besides, I do play Mafia games for the purpose of enjoyment, and hence may not always do the most rational thing if it means I have fun (you'll note I was trying to break your 'streak' at the time :beam:).
Yeah, but (secret notebook open) I currently have you marked down as scum for using the "gimme" reasoning. :wink:
So reverse that opinion. You've got 2 rounds.
08-30-2011, 11:52
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
There is no way that Monty and Tratorix is scum together though, scum don't want to create connections among themselves in thread, as they did when they self voted for shirt and agreed on an alliance.
Well, to be fair, Monty wanted to agree on an alliance, I don't think Tratorix agreed to it.
And I agree, of the two, Monty is guilty and Trats is townie. But Tratorix is cunning as all heck, and you don't write HIM off for that move. It's evidence but not solid.
08-30-2011, 11:53
Ishmael
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
"Gimme" reasoning :inquisitive:? Would you be able to clarify that for me?
08-30-2011, 11:55
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
"Gimme" reasoning :inquisitive:? Would you be able to clarify that for me?
I literally gave you the reasons to vote for me, and you took them.
Opportunistic vote on a townie. That's why you must lynch scumbags from this point onward and solve the game soon, or I'll be calling for your investigation after Seamus comes back townie.
08-30-2011, 11:55
Johhog
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
"Gimme" reasoning :inquisitive:? Would you be able to clarify that for me?
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Won't somebody help me chase the shadows away
Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
Take me through the darkness to the break of the day
08-30-2011, 11:59
Ishmael
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I literally gave you the reasons to vote for me, and you took them.
Opportunistic vote on a townie. That's why you must lynch scumbags from this point onward and solve the game soon, or I'll be calling for your investigation after Seamus comes back townie.
Well I do tend to vote for people when there appears to be several valid reasons for them to be scum. But as long as you're calling for my investigation and not my summary lynching, that's fine by me.
@Johhog: Gotta love ABBA :beam:. That's one of their better songs too, IMO.
08-30-2011, 12:29
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
Well I do tend to vote for people when there appears to be several valid reasons for them to be scum. But as long as you're calling for my investigation and not my summary lynching, that's fine by me.
@Johhog: Gotta love ABBA :beam:. That's one of their better songs too, IMO.
Okay, let's call your bluff.
Would you like to be investigated tonight by Populus Romanus?
08-30-2011, 12:34
Ishmael
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Well, I'f he's got nobody better to go for, I may as well. I only recently discovered that if you die as town but the town wins, it still counts as a win in the statistics thread; so if te scum kill me due to being cleared, it's not all that bad.
08-30-2011, 12:37
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishmael
Well, I'f he's got nobody better to go for, I may as well. I only recently discovered that if you die as town but the town wins, it still counts as a win in the statistics thread; so if te scum kill me due to being cleared, it's not all that bad.
Well this sounds right, just want to double-check one thing.
Would you willingly volunteer to be the scanee for tonight? I have a feeling we're going to lynch you at some point, but clearing you would do wonders for the town's chances.
Seamus could be a blind lynch after Monty and Johnny. You, I'm feeling better about scanning.
If you're townie and you die, we didn't lynch you, which is great.
If you're townie and you don't die, you'll be the next one with the shirt.
It's an offer I insist you not refuse. :wink:
08-30-2011, 12:38
johnhughthom
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Why can't I be scanned?
08-30-2011, 12:44
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Why can't I be scanned?
:beam: There's no need.
I hate that I actually have a scan to use. I'd rather just guess.
08-30-2011, 12:55
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johhog
Oh, almost forgot, what do you have to say about Warman ATPG? He's a lot quieter than normal.
Ain't I always quiet? :laugh4::clown:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Firstly, I just want to say you're awesome for even bothering to read all that.
As for Warman, his style of play is to not be particularly discussion-oriented. He will vote, usually, so he's not a worthless townie when he's townie.
You hear that Warman? Positive things to say.
That said, if he's scum, he's not going to leave a lot of tells other than his vote record. And he's leaving a vote record to examine.
See who flips scum, don't even bother scanning him yet. So far, his play reads okay to me. Not in the same style as a talker player, but still contributing in his own way.
Sums me up just about right.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Vote: Warman
Isn't he usually active?
Define active.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Memnon
I'll do my usual, which is Vote:WarmanCrazyName, and I'll also point out that I am town! Yippee! Although unfortunate that the one who stirred up the game and made it more interesting is dead... Requiescat in Pace, Pizza.(4 years of Latin!)
I'll also Vote: Populus Romanus, because that just makes sense
You giving me ideas for me name, you know that right? :balloon2:
08-30-2011, 13:38
Memnon
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Before we continue anymore, I think we need a tally of votes to make sure we don't get another accidental no-lynch, unfortunately, I have to run 9 miles soon, so if someone else could please do this. Interesting idea Pizzaguy, I wonder how many mafia we really have?
08-30-2011, 14:09
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Memnon
Before we continue anymore, I think we need a tally of votes to make sure we don't get another accidental no-lynch, unfortunately, I have to run 9 miles soon, so if someone else could please do this. Interesting idea Pizzaguy, I wonder how many mafia we really have?
With a true investigation result (assuming townie uses it) expect there to be at least one or two additional scums over standard vanilla.
That means the goal is to make sure scums get the shirt. That's one reason why Monty looks so bad right now.
I have to nap now but a tally would be useful. I do know if you vote for Montmorency you'll be pushing the tally away from a tie.
IIRC the tally is like Seamus 2, Monty 2, Yaropolk 2, Warman 2 or something.
Switch your votes to Montmorency.
08-30-2011, 14:45
Yaropolk
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
I actually like Pizza's analysis on Seamus better. Unvote; Vote: Seamus
Also, I am sure there will be a twist to the investigations with the shirt. I dont know whether it always returns innocent or whether scum can decide their own results, but something will definitely be up, believe me. For that purpose I'd like to have a second chain of investigations independent of the first.
I am asking for the shirt with the promise that I will investigate the person who gets the 2nd most lynches (so the most suspicious person that's not lynched). I am sure in my own innocence and this will give me some insight into what the shirt actually does. For the rest of you it should give some comfort that I am not going to direct the lynch in private but will let democracy decide.
08-30-2011, 14:46
Yaropolk
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
I meant 2nd most lynch votes* Also don't take this as me protecting Montmorency, if he's the second most voted person, I will investigate him.
08-30-2011, 15:37
Seamus Fermanagh
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Interesting case, pizza. You are underplaying the value of your earlier analyses in swaying my votes. Some of my willingness to lean on Pop and Memnon was a direct result of your "wouldn't it be a neat trick if the mafia had the shirt" line of argument. Your getting whacked along with the results leads me now, as it did you, to trust the shirt results more. Remember, too, pizza that I am nowhere near as prolific a poster in any mafia as I was in my first 2-3 games. I can probably be caught out as in a power role if I am signficantly more frequent, but a 1.5 per phase rate is probably about normal for me anymore.
Lynch me if you must folks, tis part of the game, but I am not mafia this time through.
Actually, pizza, i think your arguments against jht are more on track than the others, though I admit that is based on my remembrances of his relatively low post count style and that he seems more active in this one. That could be, in part, because of your quoting him, but I don't think so. Anyway...
Vote: Populus Romanus for the shirt, and Vote: Montmorency for the hempen jig.
Whoever ends up with the shirt should check one of the three pizza has put the spotlight on. One of the three will no longer trouble anyone.
08-30-2011, 16:37
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Did I already vote by the way?
08-30-2011, 19:08
Populus Romanus
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
vote: Seamus Fermanagh
08-30-2011, 19:14
Populus Romanus
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
I love Pizza in the day-phase. Tastes like...victory.
08-30-2011, 20:09
Montmorency
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Well Pizza, all I can say is that I can't wait for the end of this one. If you're Mafia, then I'll understand your reputation. If you were town, then I'll just shake my head in embarrasssment for you. Your analysis is somewhat flawed.
First, on my argument for you as Mafia.
Memnon is Mafia, gets shirt. Scans Johhog (another Mafioso) as town. Johhog does same to Populus, who is Mafia. You scan Memnon, he is clear. On the same night, the other three kill you to secure themselves permanently. That was what I repeated in 2 or 3 posts.
Quote:
There's not enough mafia scumbags to complete the chain.
It means if player Populus scans goes ahead and scans Memnon or Johhog, and it turns out that player is mafia, then there is no debate, there is no discussion. It means I was mafia for the false scan on memnon, and Memnon was mafia for falsely scanning Johhog.
If we're going by the Mafia-get-opposite-scan-results mechanic, then Populus will get a Mafia result for whomever he scans. That's the whole point: POPULUS CAN'T BE TRUSTED IN THIS SCENARIO.
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All you have to do is scan Memnon or Johhog with whoever Populus Romanus scans. It's impossible for the scums to keep up the charade at that point, because A townie would have had to scan A mafia before then, or else Populus Romanus' scanee is going to find mafia for reals, and that scanee is going to be townie as well, since there's not enough scums to complete the chain.
If Populus is Mafia, and he scans someone else as Mafia...
This is why I really don't want Populus to get the shirt.
Quote:
So, you're smearing my good name after I'm dead, by insisting I followed a plan that is extremely absurd and I just destroyed with my own words.
You destroyed a strawman. It's not absurd, it's just convoluted. And you know what? You're the kind of guy who could pull it off. If this was the Mafia plan, then I'm sure you're the one who first suggested it.
Scummy to want the shirt? Everyone wants or wanted the shirt. Even you. You'll notice that I quickly changed my vote to Populus, which one could probably say is scumy. But it's really just naivete. Read my posts and you'll find that I was under the impression that I would have the right of way for the next day phase. :shrug:
Unvote; Vote: Yaropolk
Instead of Populus, alright?
Pizza (dramatization): AHA, you're snuggling up to Yaropolk.
I sure as hell am. I'd like someone less worrisome to have the shirt now.
Quote:
This quote, on the other hand, is a textbook scumtell.
Nope, but yours is! :smug: And on and on...
Quote:
LOOKIE WHO IT IS!
Guess Seamus and Montmorency dinn't want Johnny to die, eh? eh? EH???
TLD voted himself here. He would have been lynched anyway (5-2 without me). I just wanted to use those cheesy lines.
Plus, you're really abusing the first round here. You simply cannot use it for serious analysis.
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Askthepizzaguy: I know there is much we can learn from each other if we can negotiate a truce. We can find a way to coexist. Can there be a peace between us?
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Hint: It's exactly-who-you-think-it-is' alphabetical precedent.
Montmorency: Peeeeeacccce....... No peeeeeeaccce....
Seriously? We never even spoke before Round what, 3? And that post wasn't referring to you. And it was Day 1.
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What did I say in Swords and D20's III. Anyone here remember? What did I say?
And was I scum for saying it? Yeeeep.
Oh? What did you say? Please, do tell.
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But but but but what happened to No Lynch?
Oh yeah, tying the vote makes it a No Lynch.
So, no consistent policy except to self-save. And he's voting to lynch a person who got scanned as a townie.
I genuinely did not realize that I was in any danger, if you'll check my posts at the end of that day. I only had a couple of votes on me, after all. No Lynch? You just addressed that, man! I accepted Seamus' rebuke here. Consistent policy? This happened once.
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Snuggling the dude you tried to kill? Feeling rather exposed, aren't ya?
You keep picking on my joke posts. Seriously, can't you come up with anything better?
Quote:
ROFLCOPTER!!!
WASN'T SERIOUS ABOUT THE NO LYNCH CAMPAIGN???? You argued harder for that than anything else this whole game.
I understood that No Lynch was not possible. I just tried to elaborate on why, given unlimited playing time, No Lynch would statistically be better for town. I mentioned it - Tratorix and I argued about it - Seamus told me off - I gave up. There you go.
Quote:
Monty HATES me scanning Memnon. I love his unrealistic scare tactic "This would end in the town wasting 3 lynches" because obviously townies never change their minds over the course of three rounds?
Can't even keep their minds in one spot on ONE round.
You're right! WE CAN'T. Notice that this was before I came up with the teamkill idea. Yeah, guess what: I come up with new things as the game goes on. :shocked:
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What happens next? My unvote of Johhog actually spares Johhog
Holy crap, you caused a no-lynch. You must be scum-buddies with Johhog! You might notice that this is the argument you used for me and John being scum-buddies. And it doesn't hold up, even with other players in the equation. If I think you and Johhog were scum-buddies, it's for other reasons.
Quote:
Re-he-he-he-he-he-eeeally?
Another joke comment. This referred to the way you "cackled maniacally" in the writeup.
Quote:
I bet you 1,000 pizzaguy points that John is scum with Montmorency.
Make it 10000 points and I'll take you up on it.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I wonder how you'll twist this particular comment against me. :/
For the record, if you felt that Seamus was leading me on about No Lynches, then why the heck didn't you say anything? Eh?
Finally, give Yaropolk the shirt.
08-30-2011, 20:18
Populus Romanus
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Quote:
Memnon is Mafia, gets shirt. Scans Johhog (another Mafioso) as town. Johhog does same to Populus, who is Mafia. You scan Memnon, he is clear. On the same night, the other three kill you to secure themselves permanently. That was what I repeated in 2 or 3 posts.
Why would the mafia murder their partner? That is ridiculus in this scenario.
Quote:
POPULUS CAN'T BE TRUSTED IN THIS SCENARIO.
Then why did you at first vote it to me? You have bandwagoned the entire game, except for when you are at risk of lynch. Then you start trying to look like a townie. You have never put forward one of these cases when you aren't at risk of lynch.
Unvote, Vote: Montmorency
08-30-2011, 20:46
Montmorency
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
I put it forward yesterday. I was never at risk of lynch yesterday.
The Mafia would murder their partner because, well, ok; let's just hypothetically say you're Mafia. Hmmm, you certainly seem to have come out of it looking pretty good, eh? You're even about to get the shirt.
Quote:
Then why did you at first vote it to me?
Explained it. Wanted to make myself seem less threatening to you (Mafia). Figured that I'd get the shirt the next day when my predictions came true. Then realized that stating my predictions aloud had comprimsed them.
08-30-2011, 20:50
Believer
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I put it forward yesterday. I was never at risk of lynch yesterday.
The Mafia would murder their partner because, well, ok; let's just hypothetically say you're Mafia. Hmmm, you certainly seem to have come out of it looking pretty good, eh? You're even about to get the shirt.
Explained it. Wanted to make myself seem less threatening to you (Mafia). Figured that I'd get the shirt the next day when my predictions came true. Then realized that stating my predictions aloud had comprimsed them.
ATPG's death all but confirms his town identity.
It's time to bite the apple, scum.
08-30-2011, 21:12
Montmorency
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Well, if people won't even read what I have to say...
08-30-2011, 21:19
Johhog
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Guys, we don't want another accidental no lynch, we need to decide.
Personally I think Monty is the best lynch and that Seamus is a good investigation target, but that's just me.
08-30-2011, 21:36
Tratorix
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Gah, sorry I missed the pizza party guys. Been a hectic day, I'll try and make it up next day phase. I'll toss a vote on Montmorency for now, as of the candidates an hour from the deadline I like the case against him best, though I had to skim most of today's posts. :embarassed:
Vote: Montmorency
I'll be around for the next hour or so, so someone speak up if we're close to a tie. Don't want another wasted lynch.
08-30-2011, 21:37
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Unvote,Vote: Montmorency
08-30-2011, 22:30
Montmorency
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Can't you just have Populus scan me, then? I turn up Mafia, and you all will feel really good about lynching me.
How about it, huh? Since you trust the guy so very much?
08-30-2011, 22:30
Ishmael
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Argh, I tried to keep a tally but I got Montmorency and Seamus mixed up, so I gave up on that. However, in the interests of preventing a last minute no lynch, I'll
unvote, vote: Montmorency
Incidentally Pizza, yes I do willingly volunteer to be the scanned person tonight, although it's obviously Populus Romanus' decision in the end.
08-30-2011, 22:53
Populus Romanus
Scanning JHT
I think I shall scan JHT, for he has insulted my honor.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
Vote: PoopyRoman
YOU'RE GOING DOWN SCUMBAG! I will sneak into your room tonight, and I will take a dump in your empty bed, which will be empty because you're a MURDERER. Who'll be poopy then, huh? WHO'LL BE POOPY THEN!
08-30-2011, 23:06
Montmorency
Re: Scanning JHT
Welp, alright. Look out John, this guy's onto you. Our days are numbered.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
And hey, Yaropolk: pssst! Didn't you get the memo? You've gotta vote me, or else town will figure that there's a connection between us! On the other hand, don't. They'll say you're just trying to distance yourself from me, and that it's scummy to get on a bandwagon late.
Oh no! There's nothing us scum can do here! We're finished. We might as well give ourselves up.
08-31-2011, 00:13
Memnon
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ELITEKWARMAN8GINGYBREADMENMILK
You giving me ideas for me name, you know that right? :balloon2:
NOOOO! I'm sorry world! Anyways, it looks like Monty's going down, although I haven't kept a record, so just to be sure Unvote,Vote:Montmorency
As for who to scan, I'd agree with Populus, john would be a good scanee, but I'd also like one for Tratorix eventually
bestrfcplayer has been replaced by Visorslash. (Not quite official; waiting for Visor's confirmation.)
TALLY:
Populus Romanus: 8 (B_Ray, Believer, Ishmael, Johhog, johnhughthom, Memnon, Populus Romanus, Seamus)
Yaropolk: 2 (Montmorency, Yaropolk)
Tratorix: 1 (Tratorix)
Not Voting: 2 (bestrfcplayer, Warman)
08-31-2011, 01:03
Populus Romanus
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
I'll assume that Visorslash is town since I doubt bestrfcplayer would let himself be replaced if he was mafia.
08-31-2011, 01:06
Zack
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Another of their friends had died the previous night, and it seemed like no progress was being made towards finding the killer(s). The previous two days, no consensus had been reached on who to kill, resulting in the death of no one.
Today was different.
First, everyone wanted to kill Seamus, but eventually the tide turned to Montmorency. He tried every possible form of defense, minus lightsaber combat and Cover 2, but still found himself on the wrong end of accusation by the end of the day.
Numerous players: "Any last words, Monty?"
Montmorency: "No. Wait, I spoke. So yes, technically. Although, does it really count? It certainly wasn't intentional, and I think we can-"
Numerous players: "Oh shut up!"
Eight of Montmorency's closest friends descended on him like a pack of wolves, pun intended, while the remaining persons turned away in disgust at the barbarity. When the pack was done, Monty's bloody corpse was dragged into the bathtub, where it was piled up on top of several other dead bodies.
Warman: "You know, we really should have picked a different place to put those. The lot of you smell bloody terrible."
Shrugging and rolling their eyes, the men trotted off to their rooms.
One of them for the last time.
It is now NIGHT FOUR!
ALIVE:
[12]
B_Ray
Believer
bestrfcplayer
Ishmael Johhog -- Scanned Town (N1)
johnhughthom Memnon -- Scanned Town (N3) Populus Romanus -- Scanned Town (N2)
Seamus Fermanagh
Tratorix
Yaropolk
Warman
LYNCHED:
[2]
TheLastDays (D1)
Montmorency (D4)
KILLED:
[3]
Double A (N1)
Seon (N2)
Askthepizzaguy (N3)
WEARERS OF THE SHIRT:
[4]
Memnon (N1)
Johhog (N2)
ATPG (N3)
Populus Romanus -- current wearer
08-31-2011, 01:06
Zack
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Deadline:
08-31-2011, 01:09
Montmorency
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
I'll assume that Visorslash is town since I doubt bestrfcplayer would let himself be replaced if he was mafia.
It's happened before.
Also, congrats to Pizza. You really can call out a mafioso. :evil:
08-31-2011, 01:17
Tratorix
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
It's happened before.
Also, congrats to Pizza. You really can call out a mafioso. :evil:
If you're not joking, this is a really bad decision.
08-31-2011, 01:19
Zack
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Populus Romanus
I'll assume that Visorslash is town since I doubt bestrfcplayer would let himself be replaced if he was mafia.
I've both hosted and played in plenty of games with inactive scums. Inactivity doesn't indicate town or mafia.
08-31-2011, 01:32
Montmorency
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tratorix
If you're not joking, this is a really bad decision.
But I'm already dead, so it doesn't matter what I say. :yes:
08-31-2011, 02:08
Believer
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
But I'm already dead, so it doesn't matter what I say. :yes:
In my experience, dead players often win games for their team. As long as a dead person doesn't break the rules by stating something like team mates or other stupid things, it's really a win-win situation to talk while dead.
08-31-2011, 02:14
Montmorency
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Such as, say, ATPG? He definitely has won this game.
08-31-2011, 02:26
Populus Romanus
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Such as, say, ATPG? He definitely has won this game.
I smell WIFOM
08-31-2011, 02:30
Montmorency
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
That's what I've been saying all along. :wink:
08-31-2011, 03:23
Double A
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Your wine sucks. I want my money back.
The main reason I think john is scum is because he said that nasty thing about me and then I died. That's the only thing I can think of why I was killed. Unless it was just to get rid of a vote...
Anyway, scan johnny boy tomorrow night. Or tonight. But soon.
08-31-2011, 04:36
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Hello folks, sorry I'm.... late. :eyebrows:
Dead jokes! I love em!
I have many posts to respond to. Thanks for the benefit of the doubt and the lynch on Montmorency. I'll offer my opinion but I won't be nearly as insistent from now on, because I honestly do want to help town win, but I do not want to be the guy running around beating people upside the head either to accuse them or get them to work with me.
You guys do your thing.
08-31-2011, 04:39
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
I actually like Pizza's analysis on Seamus better. Unvote; Vote: Seamus
Also, I am sure there will be a twist to the investigations with the shirt. I dont know whether it always returns innocent or whether scum can decide their own results, but something will definitely be up, believe me. For that purpose I'd like to have a second chain of investigations independent of the first.
No, regardless of who you think is scum, this is a discussion we can have, and I can prove my point mathematically.
There's room for disagreement on suspects, but if there's any doubt that the single chain method is superior, I'll put it to rest.
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I am asking for the shirt with the promise that I will investigate the person who gets the 2nd most lynches (so the most suspicious person that's not lynched). I am sure in my own innocence and this will give me some insight into what the shirt actually does. For the rest of you it should give some comfort that I am not going to direct the lynch in private but will let democracy decide.
You get the shirt if you're scanned townie. Do you want to be scanned tonight, Yaropolk?
If you're scanned, you're townie, you get the shirt, okay? You have nothing to lose, so I can't for the life of me imagine why you'd decline.
08-31-2011, 04:43
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Interesting case, pizza. You are underplaying the value of your earlier analyses in swaying my votes. Some of my willingness to lean on Pop and Memnon was a direct result of your "wouldn't it be a neat trick if the mafia had the shirt" line of argument. Your getting whacked along with the results leads me now, as it did you, to trust the shirt results more. Remember, too, pizza that I am nowhere near as prolific a poster in any mafia as I was in my first 2-3 games. I can probably be caught out as in a power role if I am signficantly more frequent, but a 1.5 per phase rate is probably about normal for me anymore.
Seamus I respect you too much to let you get away with lurking. For you, in a vanilla game, that means deviousness is behind it most likely.
Yeah, RL can slow you down, and maybe you're not as talkative as before. But if that's the case, I expect each post you do have time to make to be of game-winning quality for the town. To expect less of you is to be a fool, really.
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Lynch me if you must folks, tis part of the game, but I am not mafia this time through.
I'm still wavering on you. The case on you was the weakest, it's too easy to explain by coincidence. And not unlikely coincidences either.
Quote:
Actually, pizza, i think your arguments against jht are more on track than the others, though I admit that is based on my remembrances of his relatively low post count style and that he seems more active in this one. That could be, in part, because of your quoting him, but I don't think so. Anyway...
Vote: Populus Romanus for the shirt, and Vote: Montmorency for the hempen jig.
Whoever ends up with the shirt should check one of the three pizza has put the spotlight on. One of the three will no longer trouble anyone.
Ishmael, Yaropolk, or Johnhughthom all works for me. But I encourage the detective to try to hit the townie among them, if possible; because clearing a top suspect AS TOWNIE would mean the chain can continue unbroken.
Hitting scum is actually not as desire-able to me in this bizarre circumstance. But I'll take it, assuming we're scanning someone we were going to lynch anyway.
08-31-2011, 04:47
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Can't you just have Populus scan me, then? I turn up Mafia, and you all will feel really good about lynching me.
How about it, huh? Since you trust the guy so very much?
I'll get to Monty's other stuff later, here I need to address this:
Scumbags want to get scanned at this point if they're going to be lynched anyway.
Because, it means that someone will be scanned as scum, and they won't be able to get the shirt.... a townie won't be able to wield it.
it means we will have to guess who is townie, and it could land on a scum and we won't be able to trust the shirt's results for the remainder of the game.
That is worth sacrificing Monty for.
They need the chain to break, that is how they can still win the game. If we don't break the chain, we force a win.
08-31-2011, 04:53
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [Sign-Ups]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
It's happened before.
Also, congrats to Pizza. You really can call out a mafioso. :evil:
Well, if you're townie, you're going to have your fellow players eat you alive after the game for saying this.
Never do this if you're townie.
As for your point: Yes, I can. I can also really call out a townie and really get them lynched and really ruin games that way.
The Pizza is a loaded weapon, if I aim it incorrectly, bad things happen for my team. Lately, more bad than good, so I have some catching up to do.
08-31-2011, 04:57
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Such as, say, ATPG? He definitely has won this game.
I smell the WIFOM as well.
I think it fair to say that I was right on Monty. If we can continue the chain unbroken, I'll take blind lynches. We win that way by brute force now.
If we hit a scumbag tonight via the scan, things get a bit trickier. We really have to work hard to guess correctly who to give the shirt to tomorrow if so. But, at least we'll have two dead scums in 2 day phases.
For the paranoid, that means for the "plan" to work, I'd have to be dead scum, Monty'd have to be dead scum, person scanned as scum tomorrow has to be dead scum, and Memnon at the very least has to be dead scum.
That means 4 dead scums, or "THIS PLAN? IT NO WORKY".
So the Pizza as mafia scanning Memnon plan no worky. Toss out idea, since Monty confessed and Memnon would be your final mafioso in that case.
I'm crazy, but I'm not a maroon.
08-31-2011, 05:08
Montmorency
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I smell the WIFOM as well.
For the paranoid, that means for the "plan" to work, I'd have to be dead scum, Monty'd have to be dead scum, person scanned as scum tomorrow has to be dead scum, and Memnon at the very least has to be dead scum.
That means 4 dead scums, or "THIS PLAN? IT NO WORKY".
So the Pizza as mafia scanning Memnon plan no worky. Toss out idea, since Monty confessed and Memnon would be your final mafioso in that case.
I'm crazy, but I'm not a maroon.
Wait, what? I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
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I'll get to Monty's other stuff later, here I need to address this:
Scumbags want to get scanned at this point if they're going to be lynched anyway.
Because, it means that someone will be scanned as scum, and they won't be able to get the shirt.... a townie won't be able to wield it.
it means we will have to guess who is townie, and it could land on a scum and we won't be able to trust the shirt's results for the remainder of the game.
That is worth sacrificing Monty for.
They need the chain to break, that is how they can still win the game. If we don't break the chain, we force a win.
Welp, here's tomorrow. If you and the 3 scanned are Mafia, then tomorrow's scan will presumably be Mafia no matter what. If I was mistaken here and you're all town (the only other possibility), it can go either way. So: if the scan is town tomorrow, this means that I was utterly and foolishly wrong. However, it's totally your fault for getting me riled up and putting all sorts of weird ideas into my head with your tricksy posterings and doing nothing to dispel them (instead choosing to go all out against me; more or less OMGUS really). Loaded weapon indeed.
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Well, if you're townie, you're going to have your fellow players eat you alive after the game for saying this.
Never do this if you're townie.
Why? If we're both town, it's you they should reproach.
08-31-2011, 05:21
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
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Originally Posted by Montmorency
Wait, what? I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
Oh, okay, Monty "Mafioso" Confessington wants me to rephrase? Very well.
Let me utterly tear apart the delusional paranoia that is me being scum right now, fantasy by outrageous fantasy:
1) My team will have needed the ability to murder themselves. That plus a detective device which isn't reliable? A bit too many cards in the scums favor.
2) I know I'm townie, so it's obviously not ME you're trying to convince. That leaves the folks out there who you just told you were guilty to. Good luck, and stuff.
3) But let's play pretend. I'm scum.... so my plan was to clear Memnon. Why? I die to clear a townie? Nah. I die to clear a scum, so he's scum.
a) Pizza and Memnon are now scum. And I'm DEAD.
b) Monty "Mafioso" Confessington is now townie in this scenario. Bravo and well done, townie.
c) So unless Memnon "cleared" Johhog (which means my whole team left it a tie between me and Johhog for the lynch... and then murdered me) Johhog is townie.
d) Johhog is townie means that Populus is townie.
e) Which means that Populus is townie scans a townie means THAT player is townie.
f) blind lynches continue and the chain continues, and no scum team is that large as to have each scanee be wolf. So what does that mean?
g) the END OF THE CHAIN IS ALWAYS TRUSTWORTHY........
h) SCAN MEMNON.
i) He's townie. Wanna know how I know? Because I'm townie!!!! GASP! GASP!!! And now, in French: le GASP!!!!!
j) Alternative scenario. Pizza and Memnon and Johhog and Populus are all mafia. So that means WHOEVER POPULUS SCANS, that person is townie.
k) If Populus scans that person and he says they're townie, that person can scan Memnon. That person's results are trustworthy because there's not 5 mafiosi or you're already boned, dude.
l) once again, the end of the chain is always trustworthy.... even if the scumbags form the beginning of the chain. You make the chain long enough, and have it loop back around, it is IMPOSSIBLE for scums to hide within the chain
m) And I was the one who pointed it out.
n) And you confessed to being mafia.
o) And you confessed to being mafia.
p) And you confessed to being mafia.
q) And you confessed to being mafia.
r) And you confessed to being mafia.
s) And you confessed to being mafia.
t) And you confessed to being mafia.
u) And you confessed to being mafia.
v) And you confessed to being mafia.
w) And you confessed to being mafia.
x) And you confessed to being mafia.
y) And you confessed to being mafia.
z) And you confessed to being mafia.
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Why? If we're both town, it's you they should reproach.
See points N through Z as to why it would be you they'd reproach.
08-31-2011, 05:29
B-Wing
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
DRUNK POST WARNING:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
No idea what's going on, but I've been ROFLBURGERing at ATPV and Montmorcey for a while now! You two are keeping this game alive for me. Volcano, if you're scum, you win my heart. Montmerency, if you're scum, you win my heart. If you're both scums, you win everything. Forever. :2thumbsup: Zack, you said "Cover 2" in the write-up, and I thought it was hillarious! :bounce: Seamus man, what are you even doing? You're not even hosting Capo yet and you're all quiet. Why? I want more Seamus! (I can't find the hammer gavel icon, but I wanted to put it here)
:laugh4:
08-31-2011, 05:31
Montmorency
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
I confessed because I am mafia. I thought that was obvious.
Aha, I kept thinking, "Maybe he's just not -"
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If Populus scans that person and he says they're townie
See, that's where we differ in the hypothetical. I specifically mentioned a prerequisite: that the shirt mechanic be reversed for Mafia (Mafia scans Mafia as Town and vice versa).
So the idea was that whoever Populus scans turns up as Mafia. That guy gets lynched. Now yes, after that happens the next person who gets the shirt is townie. But see, why would anyone else scan one of that trio, after you so *valiantly* sacrificed yourself to clear them? And so Town reaches endgame, realizes that it's been tricked, and dies outnumbered.
That's what I'm asking you to refute.
See, I came up with this on the fly and casually mentioned it as, "Wait, what if Mafia takes the WIFOM to another level." So you could have nullified this nascent suspicion by just addressing it directly. Instead, you made jokes and skirted around it. And so I kept repeating it, growing more suspicious by the hour. And then you blasted me with a massive OMGUS accusation. "Hey, guys, what if Pizza and those 3 are really Mafia? Any thoughts here?" Pizza: "YOU THINK Memnon, Johhog, and Populus ARE MAFIA?! DIE.
08-31-2011, 05:35
Montmorency
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
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Originally Posted by B_Ray
DRUNK POST WARNING:
Volcano, if you're scum, you win my heart. Montmerency, if you're scum, you win my heart. If you're both scums, you win everything.
:laugh4:
If we're both Town, revoke our Gameroom access.
08-31-2011, 05:46
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I confessed because I am mafia. I thought that was obvious.
Aha, I kept thinking, "Maybe he's just not -"
See, that's where we differ in the hypothetical. I specifically mentioned a prerequisite: that the shirt mechanic be reversed for Mafia (Mafia scans Mafia as Town and vice versa).
So the idea was that whoever Populus scans turns up as Mafia. That guy gets lynched. Now yes, after that happens the next person who gets the shirt is townie. But see, why would anyone else scan one of that trio, after you so *valiantly* sacrificed yourself to clear them? And so Town reaches endgame, realizes that it's been tricked, and dies outnumbered.
That's what I'm asking you to refute.
See, I came up with this on the fly and casually mentioned it as, "Wait, what if Mafia takes the WIFOM to another level." So you could have nullified this nascent suspicion by just addressing it directly. Instead, you made jokes and skirted around it. And so I kept repeating it, growing more suspicious by the hour. And then you blasted me with a massive OMGUS accusation. "Hey, guys, what if Pizza and those 3 are really Mafia? Any thoughts here?" Pizza: "YOU THINK Memnon, Johhog, and Populus ARE MAFIA?! DIE.
Okay! How about THIS, scumball:
For Populus Romanus to FALSELY SCAN someone as mafia, that means Pizza through Populus must ALL be guilty.
Which means what.
That means we could give Believer the shirt. Or Tratorix. Or Visorslash. And what will happen? They scan Memnon. And since Pizza through Populus must ALL be guilty for Populus' scan to be false, Memnon flips townie completely destroys that theory, because for Pizza through Populus to be mafia, that leaves too many scums for anyone else to be mafia.
Once again, scanning Memnon wins the game. And it happens next round. Sounds like my whole plan is pretty :daisy:ed right now, since it can never work, ever!
08-31-2011, 05:48
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Three Wolf Moon [In Play]
And like the man said, don't ever do that confession thing when you're townie. That damages the town way worse than a blind lynch on suspected townie Montmorency, for obvious reasons.
