I give up.

[a completely inoffensive name]

[Andres]

with designer hair cuts

What's a "designer hair cut"? Do you have pictures of that?

[Louis VI the Fat]

her mom really liked me

Is she ? Could that be the end of your problems then? I say let her make you a man!


Also, girls sniff dudes out. They can smell if you get enough. If you do, they'll want in on the action. If you don't, they assume there's something wrong with you and will actively avoid romantic involvement with you.
Within any peer group, girls divide guys into two groups, and two groups only: a - guys all of them want, b - guys none of them want. If you're in group 'b', it's all over unless you can pull some sort of game-changing stunt.

[naut]

Within any peer group, girls divide guys into two groups, and two groups only: a - guys all of them want, b - guys none of them want. If you're in group 'b', it's all over unless you can pull some sort of game-changing stunt.

"Game-changing stunt"? Heh. Usually it's something as basic as building self-confidence and self-worth. Basic yes, but I understand that it is hard for many people (been there done that). Guys get lumped in that group because a girl won't see them as "potential", because they often lack pride/self-esteem or have not come to terms with insecurities. Girls want men who act like men, not men who whine about their petty issues. Everyone's got issues, but don't whine about them, go and do something about them.

PS: Yes, listen to Louis, date the mum, Cougar's will do things for you if you treat them right.

Tangentially, schools are horrible for the development of male-female interaction because of the strictness of school yard stereotypes (nerds are nerds and nothing else, athletes are athletes and nothing else, etc) and the limited pool of the opposite sex. People get the sense that the person they are chasing is the only one for them, "its perfect", bleah, simply because the viable options are minimal. When in fact there are many, many viable options out there and they just need to be found. These perceptions grow and carry on over into adult life, and as a result you end up with mopey adults hung up over some bird/bloke they went on a date with once and even though nothing happened they must be "the one".

[pevergreen]

Looking back, I feel the need to further explain why I think you should actually not worry about it for a long time.

You're 15 currently. I was in year 10 when I was 15, third last year of school. As most kids would have, I had a couple of bad experiences with liking girls during my early high school years (year levels 8-12 in my state).
I had given up when I was your age. I'd not been on a proper date, not a single girl had shown interest, nor had any attempts I'd made at establishing anything gone anywhere. I was one of those guys. Sure, I wasn't unpopular, I was one of the guys that knew tech stuff, I was useful.

One lesson of Christian Studies I had, I was moved to the front row for talking. I went to a co-ed school, but I wasn't exactly great at relating to girls, their minds just worked differently to mine. But the three girls I was moved next to have all played major parts in my life.

Simply by not trying, I gained so much. I didn't care if I had a girlfriend, sure some of my friends did, but so what? Out of those three girls, one became a friend, one I ended up going out with for a couple of months and the other is my closest friend, to this day, 5 years later.

Random chance can be such a huge factor in your life. "Good things come to those who wait" type of thing.

So that relationship ended after only a few months, we saw a single movie together. Yeah, I don't think she was ever actually in to me. They hadn't yet become my actual friends, so for another year and a half (this is taking place at pretty much your exact age, approaching 16) I had 2-3 friends basically. In that time period, I become friends with the one and only Beefy187 ()

Did I try my hardest to get a girlfriend? Nope. I mean, sure I was still attracted to girls, but I had given up, they never liked me. Around 18 months after my first 'real' girlfriend, I was sitting at home on a school night, like I did every night, just wasting time on the org (I'd been around for less than a year) and some girl i sort of knew a few years ago started talking to me. You know how people get sometimes when there are two or three of them on a computer? "Lets go talk stupidly to someone!"

Somehow, over the next month, me still not trying, we ended up meeting, then I went over to her place one day. I forget the reason I went, but I ended up going out with that girl for the next 10 months. If you want to know how that ended, check the backroom and go back like 20-30 pages.

My point is, wait and things will happen. Giving up doesn't mean you have no chance, it just means you can protect yourself better, focus on the more important things at the time. If I hadn't of gone out with the above girl for basically the entire last year of highschool, I may have be where I will be in a few months, 2 years ago. I would be overall, happier as well.

Was it worth it? The experience and lessons I've learnt will probably serve me well in the future.

Umm, so yeah. Give up, probably a good thing for now.

Plus, you still haven't got a good reason on why you need a girlfriend do you?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The different genders often contribute different things to a group. I have different conversations with my guy friends as opposed to my girl friends and probably act a bit differently around each but I still value each the same. I would say I only click with my guy friends slightly more as you probably do have more in common but saying that, it is entirely possible to have good friends who are girls.

"Guy Friends"?

I'm going with Rhy here, what on Earth is the world coming to?

No, seriously though. If you have an attractive female friend and you pretend you don't want t sleep with here, you're just lying to everybody. If on the other hand, you decide that trying to sleep with her is a bad idea, that's different.

Also, girls sniff dudes out. They can smell if you get enough. If you do, they'll want in on the action. If you don't, they assume there's something wrong with you and will actively avoid romantic involvement with you.
Within any peer group, girls divide guys into two groups, and two groups only: a - guys all of them want, b - guys none of them want. If you're in group 'b', it's all over unless you can pull some sort of game-changing stunt.

Wisdom here, the only way not to look pathetic if you aren't getting any is to deliberately take yourself out of play, then you become unattainable and thence (theoretically) desirable.

[Hax]

I'm going with Rhy here, what on Earth is the world coming to?

HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY!?

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO GIVES A ABOUT THE RULES?!

[drone]

Don't worry, brah. Even the ugliest bastards can get laid once they get into university. I don't know how they do it, but they get by somehow.

Alcohol.

[Strike For The South]

"Never make someone your priority, when they only make you an option."

Things that take precedence over women

1. My school
2. My work
3. Sport
4. Food/boozing
5. E-romance with Louis
6. Making thinly veiled personal attacks against Pshyconaut in the soccer thread.

You need to chill out and let this stuff roll off your back man. Women are generally pretty useless, this rings even more true today as the have abandoned there strengths and are trying to get in the job field (lol)

But seriously. If you treat every girl you may or may not hook up with as a potential soul mate you'll be dead by 25 from sheer stress. Don't sweat these sorts of things and don't go o-pining for forgivness or try to woo her back.

I've never been a big fan of the friend zone theory. Unless you are slightly gay, crippilingly ugly, or morbidly obese. A girl will probably bang you if the conditions are right. Now this cuts both ways mind you.

At this point we get back to the quote. Do not waste any more time on them than they are willing to waste on you

[pevergreen]

I've never been a big fan of the friend zone theory. Unless you are slightly gay, crippilingly ugly, or morbidly obese. A girl will probably bang you if the conditions are right. Now this cuts both ways mind you.

I think thats wrong.

Theres only a certain amount of time (generally) when you know a girl that she thinks of you that way, after that its friends. That doesn't change easily.

It can, but it takes something big.

Theres varying levels, but the closer you get to her, the more likely it will never be anything but friends.

[Fragony]

HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY!?

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO GIVES A ABOUT THE RULES?!

rule #1, no ponytails kthxbye

[drone]

It can, but it takes something big.

Alcohol.

[tibilicus]

"Guy Friends"?

I'm going with Rhy here, what on Earth is the world coming to?

No, seriously though. If you have an attractive female friend and you pretend you don't want t sleep with here, you're just lying to everybody. If on the other hand, you decide that trying to sleep with her is a bad idea, that's different.

Not really. I just happen to value some peoples friendships more than trying to get into their pants. Contrary to popular belief, your more likely to meet a future GF from someone outside your immediate friendship group. Generally speaking I wouldn't want to sleep with a girl I'm particularly close to anyway. It's kind of awkward to go from friends to sleeping with each other and it's even more hard to do the reverse. I've rarely gone from friendship to relationship and the other way round is even worse. If anyone has managed to stay "friends" after splitting up with a girl, I would like to know how such a feat was achieved.

Point being that sometimes a friendship is more valuable than any short term gain.

[Skullheadhq]

Uhh you're 15, disregard females, acquire computer games

[Strike For The South]

I think thats wrong.

Theres only a certain amount of time (generally) when you know a girl that she thinks of you that way, after that its friends. That doesn't change easily.

It can, but it takes something big.

Theres varying levels, but the closer you get to her, the more likely it will never be anything but friends.

Which is why you need to keep your emotional distance

[a completely inoffensive name]

No one knows what they are talking about. Let me just boil down what you need into three steps.

1. Penis pump + constant overactive imagination
2. Seven pairs of basketball shorts + seven pairs of silk boxers.
3. Learn the elegant dance of **** slanging.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/...t-dance-crazes

Once you have completed all three steps, start performing outside the windows of random classes and you will find new levels of popularity never seen before.

[Rhyfelwyr]

What's a "designer hair cut"? Do you have pictures of that?

It is when you do anything more than put a bit of gel in it to make it stick down.

Heh, don't mind me, I've had the same hair cut since I was old enough to sit in the seats in the barbers shop, 2 back and sides. Some things today just seem ridiculous though, when I go to take my youngest brother anywhere I have to wait 10 minutes while he makes his hair look greasy and messy. Why?!

That's not how things were back in my day! *grumbles away*

"Game-changing stunt"? Heh. Usually it's something as basic as building self-confidence and self-worth.

This has proved very true for me, life is so much easier when you are not anxious in social situations. You can even notice how people treat you differently (even I can notice so it must be noticeable!).

I'm going with Rhy here, what on Earth is the world coming to?

You know you can't fight it any longer, I saw you in the abortion thread, your inner Evangelical it taking control!

[Prussian to the Iron]

I don't mean to pry or be rude, but you seem like you have some personal insecurities, etc. At the dance when she went to talk to her friends why did you do what you did? Isn't she allowed to have her own friends? Maybe you should have talked to other people there too, rather than worry about a girl you just met. If something is going to happen it is going to happen, calm down. I get the sense that you are "dependent" on others for approval. I may be completely off here, an I'm not trying to be rude, but you should take a step back, assess yourself, and say am I completely happy personally? If you can' love yourself, and if you don't have your own life and sense of identity you can never actually love someone else.

Uh, I hope that makes sense, 6 or so hours sleep over the last 3 days is messing with my thought processes.

it wasn't that she was hanging out with friends, it was that she totally disregarded me for like an entire hour and left me waiting like an idiot.

I'm going to go against the consensus here and agree with the OP. I'm 20, never had a girlfriend, never been kissed, and will be alone until the day I die. But it's so very worth it to not have to deal with people and their lies.

virgin power!

[Megas Methuselah]

Uhh you're 15, disregard females, acquire computer games

And alcohol.

[Hax]

And alcohol.

I don't think so.

[woad&fangs]

Do well in school so you can get into a college with two girls for every guy. Hey, it worked for me.

[naut]

it wasn't that she was hanging out with friends, it was that she totally disregarded me for like an entire hour and left me waiting like an idiot.

So she's meant to follow your every command? Mountain, meet molehill.

[Prussian to the Iron]

So she's meant to follow your every command? Mountain, meet molehill.

what? I paid for her ticket, I at least deserve something past "hey I'm gonna go talk to *insert friend name here*" all night long. if she didn't intend on spending any time with me she shouldn't have said yes in the first place.

[Megas Methuselah]

You bought her ticket?

...

... Where the hell do you live? The conservative bible belt?

[Hooahguy]

You bought her ticket?

...

... Where the hell do you live? The conservative bible belt?

Buying her ticket is a bit much, considering you arent even dating. But at least that was chivalrous. Maybe they dont have chivalry in Canada?

[Hax]

Maybe they dont have chivalry in Canada?

Not in that part. Québec is the bastion of chivalry in North America.

[Prussian to the Iron]

You bought her ticket?

...

... Where the hell do you live? The conservative bible belt?

Buying her ticket is a bit much, considering you arent even dating. But at least that was chivalrous. Maybe they dont have chivalry in Canada?

dont sound much like it here, but i'm really very gentlemanly most of the time, really classy actually. maybe thats my problem? I need to treat girls like the ground i walk on like most other people do?

jk bout that last part.

[Hooahguy]

maybe thats my problem? I need to treat girls like the ground i walk on like most other people do?

EDIT: NO, disregard what I said, I misread what you!

[Prussian to the Iron]

Yes.

wish i could. maybe i could learn

[Tuuvi]

Eh I don't think you should change the way you act around girls unless you have really bad manners or something. Just be yourself and eventually someone will come to you, and when she does you'll know she's something special and won't be some selfish popularity hungry barbie doll.

I know how you feel, when I was in high school/middle school I never had a girlfriend and whenever it seemed like I finally would the girl would suddenly change her mind about me or something. Now looking back I'm glad I never had a girlfriend because nobody was mature enough and it would've been a bunch of stupid drama anyway.