Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

[Lewwyn]

Hope you're not a patsy Erebus.
Unvote:, Vote:Subotan

[B-Wing]

I'm so confused! So if Subotan is to be lynched, what do we make of Yaropolk? And does that imply that ACIN is off the hook?

[ByzantineKnight]

Announcement:


Bad things are going to happen to inactives and lurkers.

Very bad things.

This is your only warning. Checking for a pulse.... no pulse, no more sunrises.

Bring it.

Vote: Chaotix I haven't paid enough attention to the ongoing bandwagons to know which leading candidate to vote for and he had a scummy post early game.

Select: GH

[Frozen In Ice]

Detective:

May investigate two persons per night phase. The investigation will list the individual as innocent (Townie, Don), criminal (Luca, Made not killing, Wise Guy not having killed at all, and some townies), or guilty (Luca or Made on the night of kill, Wise Guy or Townie who has killed – you either get the current kill or their whole track record as well). Acts as a Townie in other respects. Reads as “innocent” if investigated.

To me it seems like the wording here is unclear if a Made's kill as to be successful to scan as guilty. But if the kill has to be successful then:
1. Subotan is lying about not doing anything night one
OR
2. The detective is lying, and is probably scum.

Either way the scum lose if we follow the lead.

[Xenoneb]

To me it seems like the wording here is unclear if a Made's kill as to be successful to scan as guilty. But if the kill has to be successful then:
1. Subotan is lying about not doing anything night one
OR
2. The detective is lying, and is probably scum.

Either way the scum lose if we follow the lead.

Or, they got back an incorrect answer. (You spelled my name wrong)

[Seamus Fermanagh]

It is not allowed for me to pass on any information I collected during the game, that's correct. But using other members to anonymously contact people on the .org should be legal, it has been done before. As I'm dead I can't use the information for my own purposes anymore and you have at least my guarantee that I will forward the message to the person(s) you want, and only those who you want. I will add however that I will not be avaible next weekend (from friday to sunday) as I will be in Paris then.

Edit: pro-town, anti-town,... doesn't matter.

Moros is still playing, and has a victory condition interest in the role he died playing. He cannot add anything or comment on anything not in the public thread, but can forward stuff.

That said, serving as a conduit -- provided he is circumspect as noted above -- is within the rules.

[classical_hero]

Some people need to read the roles. There is just too much conversation about the scans, when they don't show too much, especially this early in the game. Guilty does not mean too much, just means that someone has killed, we don't know why they have done it, since it could be a wiseguy doing it. later on it will mean something more important, but not right now.

[Xenoneb]

Good post, Hero.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

And yet the rules state that Detectives obtain Innocent, Criminal, and Guilty. Nothing is made mention of "Unclear". I standby my statements, especially since being in contact with two detectives when the vast majority of those capable of investigating are Mades and third parties...yea, no.

Poor editing on my part, sorry. They can, have, and do obtain "unclear"" results from time to time.

[slashandburn]

Select: GH
Vote: Subotan
taking it to your grave still means your dead whereas if you tell and it proves true then you will live, threatening people who can easily kill you is not generally a bright idea.

[El Barto]

While it looks pretty likely that The Stranger is guilty here, I must agree with him that Subotan's willingness to lie for ACIN's sake is deeply suspicious. As others have suggested, we'd be better shot of all three of them as soon as possible. However, in the meantime, I have another matter that needs attending to...

vote: El Barto

After the trouble you caused on N1, and the evasive nature of your explanations yesterday, you're very lucky to get another chance here. I strongly urge you to give full and frank answers to the following questions:

1) What happened on N1, and how was it that you came to ditch one group, then failed to show up to the group you ditched them for?

2) Referring to the quote below, did you really mean to imply that you didn't realise you had to send a PM to Seamus in order to participate in a group action? And, if not, then what were you trying to say?

3) Why have you been lampshading this stuff so heavily?

I didn't 'go with' anyone, Ii had a few orders sent in my name by a few people and apparently that's the one that got through.

(I received the PM quoted above in response to my demand for an account of what El Barto had ended up doing after dropping from a group I had helped to organise.)

ps. While I was not involved in the attempts on your life (RL commitments forced me to make myself unavailable last night), I am quite happy to admit that I encouraged others to attack you.

Night One… Xeno recruited a lot of people into groups, then three or four protectors didn't make any difference, then suddenly the protect group that was supposed to be formed with jht and Zack became a vig group and i said I hadn't signed in for any killing. Before I could log back on RL had taken hold and I came in back in to find myself accused left and right.

I'm 'trying' to say that I sent no action PMs. That's all.

Lampshading… what? If it's my sig, then you know I'm the scummiest townie ever. Isn't that so, Mr. Backwards Logic, my former GM? Is my aura of scumminess so great that everything I say must be doubted?

P.S. You filthy cat-hating Englishman! Now that the natural order of things has been reestablished I can side with johnhughthom against you. Or, rather, agree with him, since he's a cat strangler.

The scummy PM to start it off. El Barto contact or was contacted by Xenoneb, and got thrown into a protection group of nearly anyone who said hello to Xenoneb. We were a 4 man protection group that El Barto dropped out of claiming that the redundancy was Stupid. However, 2 of our 3 still including his name on the PM, so he got a results PM as well.

However, when I tried to explain why he got it, he seemed to want me to back up some sort of Alibi story. I nodded my head yes, and told a few people that I was VERY suspicious. Other stories of similar things come up, so the agreement was that El Barto needed to die. He dropped out of two groups (One protection and I believe on vigilante) and then tried to use me as an alibi.

Vote: El Barto

Also a detective has pmed me, I personally trust the source.

Subutan investigated as Guilty
TheStranger as unclear

Use this information how you will.

Yes, see here, I did say the redundancy was stupid. Lowercase s, mind you.
This was our full dialogue:

I think you got an inconclusive PM on Winston Hughes because myself and Double A sent our orders with your name on it as well. I had sent in my orders before I realized you had left the group.

Erebus.

Yes, well… at least i have someone to back me up.

Right?

If anyone asks, I'm with you.

Alibi? Not exactly.

Have this detective person you know scan me then.

Citizens of Fatlington, the Fatlington Police Department accepts Askthepizzaguy's explanation of his previous actions. Mr. smokingunman also told us that his message was delayed as well. So we will continue to use the radio station to broadcast our information. We would like to inform you that woad&fangs was found guilty last night. The Fatlington Police Department authorizes appropriate citizen deputies to deal with him as they see fit.

If this hasn't been posted yet; apologies for the delay again.

woad&fangs, interesting.

Some people need to read the roles. There is just too much conversation about the scans, when they don't show too much, especially this early in the game. Guilty does not mean too much, just means that someone has killed, we don't know why they have done it, since it could be a wiseguy doing it. later on it will mean something more important, but not right now.

Guilty doesn't mean it's just a wiseguy, it's implied in the Surgeon description that doctors can come up 'guilty'. Surgeons can passively kill, too.

[Montmorency]

[Oops misread nvm.

[Montmorency]

Guilty doesn't mean it's just a wiseguy, it's implied in the Surgeon description that doctors can come up 'guilty'. Surgeons can passively kill, too.

Ah, well: It says that "unlike Doctors, Surgeons always register as innocent."

And so what? Doctors presumably register the whole gamut of states from innocent to guilty, depending on what they do. If Subo is a murdering doctor, we are better off without him, no?

And why would Subo say "I know the identity of Mafia scum," when "I am a doctor" sounds a lot better. Come now.

[Xenoneb]

But there is some uncertainty with all investigations.

[El Barto]

Yes, Xeno, there's always a chance that investigations are inconclusive. Or that you get Innocent on a Don. Or Criminal/Guilty on a townie.

Ah, well: It says that "unlike Doctors, Surgeons always register as innocent."

And so what? Doctors presumably register the whole gamut of states from innocent to guilty, depending on what they do. If Subo is a murdering doctor, we are better off without him, no?

Murdering doctors? No connection to Mengele by any chance?

And why would Subo say "I know the identity of Mafia scum," when "I am a doctor" sounds a lot better. Come now.

'Cos a doctor is an obvious target and 'knowing the identity of scum' can be acting as a front for a real, FBI investigator?

[Montmorency]

With roles. Where does it say that detected statuses may be inaccurate?

Are you thinking of this?

A townie has no special abilities – at least at the start. Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though a minority will appear as “unclear” and a very small minority as “criominal.” If investigated by a made, the most will be “innocent,” some “unclear,” and a minority “criminal.”

But that's specific to individual players.

If all players with investigative powers investigate the same player, they should all find the same status.

Besides which, guilty is guilty is guilty. Where does it say in the rules that someone may be misread as guilty?

[Montmorency]

'Cos a doctor is an obvious target and 'knowing the identity of scum' can be acting as a front for a real, FBI investigator?

In the context of his particular situation, the latter claim would have been far more - helpful to him, I feel.

[naut]

With roles. Where does it say that detected statuses may be inaccurate?

Are you thinking of this?



But that's specific to individual players.

If all players with investigative powers investigate the same player, they should all find the same status.

Besides which, guilty is guilty is guilty. Where does it say in the rules that someone may be misread as guilty?

Wrong. In a Capo game any given investigation may bring back any of those three. If a detective investigates a townie, and the first night they get unclear so they decide to investigate again the next night they may get innocent, unclear or criminal that second time.

Guilty is not 100%, it shows anyone who killed. Including townies in vig groups. Just as criminal is not 100% an indicator, as it could be a townie misidentified as Mafioso.

[Diana Abnoba]

Well I guess that Yaro is not going to show up, we can deal with him the next lynch. I don't want to waste my vote, and I would really like to have a double lynch today, to get rid of some of these distractions. I think that Subo is now ahead in votes, so Unvote; Vote: ACIN to try and even the score between them.

[Montmorency]

Perhaps I should rephrase this?

If a particular townie that is predisposed to criminal readings from the get-go is investigated by everyone capable of doing so, they will all get unclear or criminal the first time out, no?

If a particular townie that is predisposed to unclear readings from the get-go is investigated by everyone capable of doing so, they will all unclear the first time out, no?

If a particular townie that is predisposed to innocent readings from the get-go is investigated by everyone capable of doing so, they will all get unclear or innocent, no?

Assuming the least-powerful investigative abilities on the parts of all.

Now, this below I didn't disupute. You missed the point.

Guilty is not 100%, it shows anyone who killed. Including townies in vig groups. Just as criminal is not 100% an indicator, as it could be a townie misidentified as Mafioso.

If this investigation result was not fabricated, it 100% definitively proves that Subotan has killed. To see why that might be important, reread the last 20 pages. :/

[Xenoneb]

The reason I believe that anyone can be mis-scanned (AKA subo not killing anyone) is the fact that FBI have a higher chance of getting a right response.

[Choxorn]

I like the "Double Lynch of ACIN and Subotan" idea. People voting for Subotan, can some of you switch your votes so that we can make a tie, or something?

[Populus Romanus]

I like the "Double Lynch of ACIN and Subotan" idea. People voting for Subotan, can some of you switch your votes so that we can make a tie, or something?

unvote; vote: ACIN

[Montmorency]

Hey, Mr. Tallyman, tally me banana. Morning come, an' I wan' go home.

[Xenoneb]

Unvote;Vote:KingCal

[sturmhauke]

Announcement:


Bad things are going to happen to inactives and lurkers.

Very bad things.

This is your only warning. Checking for a pulse.... no pulse, no more sunrises.

I'm not lurking, but I'm also not posting a bunch of noise just for the sake of noise. I got my vote down for ACIN, which I am happy with. Subotan looks fishy too with this guilty result.

[Backwards Logic]

Lampshading… what? If it's my sig, then you know I'm the scummiest townie ever. Isn't that so, Mr. Backwards Logic, my former GM? Is my aura of scumminess so great that everything I say must be doubted?

Very true, I have called you that. However, using that as part of your defense in an entirely new game isn't exactly kosher. You could still be a scum here and playing identically... FoS: El Barto.

I for one support a double-lynch of ACIN and Subotan, mostly because real-life is making keeping up with things close to impossible and removing the chronic text-wallers would help. Not to mention the cases behind them aren't half bad either given it's day three. Vote: ACIN to even things up.

[El Barto]

The reason I believe that anyone can be mis-scanned (AKA subo not killing anyone) is the fact that FBI have a higher chance of getting a right response.

Food for thought…

I like the "Double Lynch of ACIN and Subotan" idea. People voting for Subotan, can some of you switch your votes so that we can make a tie, or something?

Agreed, seems like The Stranger won't be brought to justice today.
unvote; vote:a completeley inoffensive name.

Very true, I have called you that. However, using that as part of your defense in an entirely new game isn't exactly kosher. You could still be a scum here and playing identically... FoS: El Barto.

Actually I am keeping in character. See my sig!

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:Montmorency Vote:ACIN Double lynch FTW

[Montmorency]

Alright, guys. No one will do it. JHT is nowhere to be seen. I'll just update Subo's tally, though I fear it may be off in places.

BANANAS

20 - ACIN: (landlubber, gibsong, Visorslash, Craterus, Choxorn, sturmhauke, Sprig, ATPG, B_Ray, Jarema, Xehh II, edse, Ibn-Khaldun, Peasant Phil, Suburban Plankton, Populus Romanus, Xenoneb, Backwards Logic, El Barto, White_eyes:D)

23 - Subotan: {The Stranger, issaikhaan, Sister Coyote, Montmorency, Silver Jan, Kennigit, TinCow, ULC, Neri, Romanic, God Emperor, Erebus, AggonyKing, Arjos, Cahoma, Seon, Raskolnikov, scottishranger, woad&fangs, Renata, Lewwyn, slash & earn, Diana Abnoba }

8 - El Barto: {Winston Hughes, Beskar, Frozen In Ice, Johhog, Ironside, Cahoma, GamezRule, shlin28, }

7 - The Stranger: { qlyphz, Memnon, Commander, Subotan, Beefy187, guiri, Riedquat}

5 - Montmorency: {Yaropolk, Sasaki, hero di classico, Death is yonder, Diamondeye}

2 - Yaropolk: {Oh! TheLastDays!, DaveShack}

1 - Beefy187: {Psychonaut}

1 - Abstain: {Double A, Chaotix}

1 - Seon: {thefluffyone93}

1 - Chaotix {ByzantineKnight}

Anyone want to doublecheck?