Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
first I am not hard line predestination as many think of it I reject that idea as i clearly posted earlier on my first response to you.

Predestination/free will
Both are true,God knows peoples heart before they are born, he predestines them to be saved. Those that live by faith god foreknow them by faith, he predestined them to be saved.
If predestination is true than no need to evangelize.
Gen 2.19 Ezekiel 18.2-32 luke 13.34 matt 18.14 mark 8.34 Deuteronomy 5.29
I read the above and first you say they are both true... I think that they are mutually exclusive. You need to choose either.
The second highlight favours complete free will... nothing is set in stone, no predestination is committed. Which is more sound.

I dont care what calvin says, I care what bible says. I agree that god created a world knowing many would reject him. But he also created as stated with free will. He does not want any to deny him but knows they will. You also assume falsely god can control who will reject him. He cannot, some will some wont.
Let's agree that predestination IS the doctrine proposed by Calvinism and nothing else... you should move away from the word and use something else if you want to incorporate free will and the foreknowledge of God.

But to add onto that, god allows things to happen even though he knows the future. So for example, god punishes certain people for there crimes, yet he waits untill the crime is committed. He could punish right off [a murderer] and not allow it to happen. Yet he first allows than gives consequence. Same with salvation, he tries to draw near to people who he knows will reject him, jesus dies for all sinners not just those that would receive him etc.

and as I said in OP
It is not gods fault that many will reject him, his offer is still fair and loving as hell was never meant for man.
Man chooses to go there witch has nothing to do with gods love or fairness but mans free will.
What of the people who do accept him? Should he not have made them because of those that chose life without god?
This is more in line with free will... Man is free to choose evil and God will not intervene in those choices... but will hand out the consequences, either temporal (Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot's wife) and/or eternal (damnation). Man's destiny is not set in stone and he/she will be able to choose salvation in this lifetime by repentance.

I gave you a handle in my second post --- I would like to hear your opinion of it.
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