Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
It is the mixing of predestination and free will that I make a complaint towards. Predestination with or without the capital letter has a very specific meaning and contradicts free will.
That's all.
You should use preordained as a synonym for your version of free will.

Now to my question of why does God create/allow evil? Why does he need evil in his creation?
It is missing in your discussion.

First thanks for the good discussions.

I disagree that they contradict, only when they are thought of as they normally are. I think the bible says diffident on both subjects. I will try to exspalin better what i mean.

free will- The bible teaches 100% that people have free will. This does not in anyway contradict,that god predestined those that would live by faith, to be saved.


Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
Ok. Find an arbiter, a location and a panel of jurors who we can do a before and after poll with.

I will take that as back down.