Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
Ah, but there's a distinction between racist, and racially motivated. Though I wouldn't call voter ID laws racially motivated, so much as I'd call them politically motivated. Whether they target blacks, old people, students, or illegal aliens, they're trying to suppress the democratic vote. And some of them aren't even subtle about it.

Is this so heinous? Eh. I won't judge, worse things are done regularly in the name of petty politics. But let's be honest here, voter fraud is basically a non-existent problem. The right is just trying stem the tide of liberal opinion, and doing a terrific job--for the other side!

*Geez, Kad, I think you're just wrong. If green people from mars lived in America and tended to vote Democrat, then the laws would be targeted at green people from mars. This is purely a political issue, but it is being perceived as a racial one. The effect of these laws has been to galvanize the minority populations in the concerned areas, though those reports may be overblown. We'll find out after the mid terms.
Geez GC, I don't think you will quite get away with whiffing me off as "just wrong".

Race is a factor in this game. You might not like it, heck, I don't like it. But cold hard facts kind of stare us in the face here.

Your notion of green men from Mars is just preposterous, let's keep this discussion on Planet Earth with all of it's implicit problems, shall we?

Again: Race matters in this as black people in the USA tend to be more on the poor side. They also tend to be more leaning towards not thinking democracy is important enough to bother getting a voter ID for (as to why is a whole other discussion, right now we ONLY focus on the fact that this is how it is - without questioning why).

These facts combined means that the idea of voter ID is, and is, and is racist.

Black people WILL be more alienated from democracy by this law.

You don't have to agree that it is right. You don't have to think it's how it should be.

You just have to accept that it is what it is.