13er summer game thread

**nebjiamn** · 08-01-2023, 17:51

dya what are your thoughts on ender?

**nebjiamn** · 08-01-2023, 17:55

like i know you said his vote on you doens't mean anything for his alignment but what about the rest of his (and i guess visor's since you said the same there) posts in general

**dyachei** · 08-01-2023, 17:58

vote: cape

**Raskolnikov** · 08-01-2023, 17:57

Visor(1): Cape
Cape(2): ladd, insomnia
Katze (3): cuth, Winston, ender
Achro(3): Visor, Taffy, katze
Taffy(2): benneh, SK
Sk(1): achro

Not voting (1): Dyachei

Still posting from phone, sorry for the formatting.

**dyachei** · 08-01-2023, 17:57

Originally Posted by nebjiamn

dya what are your thoughts on ender?

i dont really know how to read ender in early game. I read him later based on accuracy and cases

visor appears to be visoring. am kind of annoyed he didnt even like...try to chat with me first. I feel like v! visor would be more likely to. But it's a 50 post cap game so idk

**nebjiamn** · 08-01-2023, 18:07

Originally Posted by dyachei

i dont really know how to read ender in early game. I read him later based on accuracy and cases

visor appears to be visoring. am kind of annoyed he didnt even like...try to chat with me first. I feel like v! visor would be more likely to. But it's a 50 post cap game so idk

hmm ok

ender's vibes feel a bit off to me. like he's here and memeing which is all good and fun but he's been a bit dismissive when asked for more in a way that felt more wolfy. his reads on SK and winston both felt a bit forced too.

not sure if it matters much today or not but eh

**insomnia** · 08-01-2023, 18:08

turns out EoD timing is convenient for me

cya then

**Cuthillius** · 08-01-2023, 18:23

Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

I don't know exactly.

But perhaps the contrast here of maliciously/innocently and scummy/townie could be an example.

The word choice is unconscious, I think, because you're too good to rely on conscious word choices - they slow you down, tend to look clunky, risk the encroachment of paranoia. And you're also really good at regulating your mood, so that your unconscious doesn't tend to spit out those more obvious errors or tells that people like me need to be careful of when wolfing. But, for all that, there still has to be an agenda at work - an implicit intention to reshape the gamestate in some way that benefits your goal.

The unconscious choice to frame the dichotomy as 'maliciously' vs 'innocently' poses the question ethically, as one of good against evil. It is a dramatic framing, implying a rhetorical purpose. If you were less regulated, I might think this had an emotional component - you being irritated at my suspicions - but I'm pretty sure that's not what's going on here. And, to be sure, there are townie reasons why those words might have come to mind.

But it's the second part that tweaks me. You've already asked the question, with its implicit rhetorical load. And there is no reason anyone should misunderstand the meaning. And yet your instinct tells you to restate it in what are, in mafia, the most value-neutral of terms. What you're doing here, it seems to me, is sanding the edge off.

this is a really funny post

it's not. wrong, or at least in principle it's a good analysis of how katze works and plays

it's just a wild post to make here

but i like the commitment and think it probably tends to tip in the v direction most of the time lol

Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

I started that response sober...

that post almost made me turn to the bottle myself

Originally Posted by ladd

i was kinda hoping winston would come in late and be wolfy cause it'd have made the game easier to sort but sadly he seems >rand v too (i wrote this before i saw his last post)

yo ladd buongiorno when you're back can you write me like a short paragraph of your impression of the current gamestate (since you already used the word)

because i have specific feelings about it but i haven't sat down and articulated them properly but i'd like to compare notes a bit

couple other questions

how confident are you on benneh atm

can you go into your dya read a bit more

and also talk about insomnia

tyty

Originally Posted by nebjiamn

hmm ok

ender's vibes feel a bit off to me. like he's here and memeing which is all good and fun but he's been a bit dismissive when asked for more in a way that felt more wolfy. his reads on SK and winston both felt a bit forced too.

not sure if it matters much today or not but eh

atm i want to shoot ender into the sun but also i don't see the upside of him playing like this as a wolf??

so idk i'm kinda circling back to villager

i do think his play has been pro-wolf though, but again this would be an insane way to approach d1 as a wolf in this sort of a list

**nebjiamn** · 08-01-2023, 18:29

Originally Posted by Cuthillius

atm i want to shoot ender into the sun but also i don't see the upside of him playing like this as a wolf??

so idk i'm kinda circling back to villager

i do think his play has been pro-wolf though, but again this would be an insane way to approach d1 as a wolf in this sort of a list

i have also considered this fwiw

also that this is pretty distinct from what i remember him doing as wolf in a similar list here on the org last year. which isn't to say he can't have that range but just something i've picked up on and noted

but if we're wrong on cape and/or taffy he'd be my next best guess aorn and i felt like no one was really talking about him.

speaking of that taffy post feels decent and looking forward to see what else they post

**EnderWiggin** · 08-03-2023, 01:45

Originally Posted by nebjiamn

i have also considered this fwiw

also that this is pretty distinct from what i remember him doing as wolf in a similar list here on the org last year. which isn't to say he can't have that range but just something i've picked up on and noted

but if we're wrong on cape and/or taffy he'd be my next best guess aorn and i felt like no one was really talking about him.

speaking of that taffy post feels decent and looking forward to see what else they post

Knowing what I know with Cape flipping town and me thinking Taffy is townish this kinda looks bad because it feels like trying to line up the most easily ML-able targets.

**ladd** · 08-01-2023, 19:24

Originally Posted by Cuthillius

yo ladd buongiorno when you're back can you write me like a short paragraph of your impression of the current gamestate (since you already used the word)

i have never been a big gamestate gui but my feeling is that cape is gonna be lunched, he will (probably) flip wolf and then the rest of the game will be a ton harder. the achro/katze is really the trickiest part for me cause they have been wolfread by so many people that some of them have to be villagers AND they have a weird on/off dynamic between them so i am kinda worried i am misreading them and 1 of them is a wolf playing a villagery game

how confident are you on benneh atm

he is not 100% obvious villager benneh, but let's say he is 80% obvious villager benneh. pushing cool angles, pristine toan and generally making good posts

my way to read benneh is similar to katze really

i was kinda worried about him potentially being a wolf with cape and pushing on villa taffy to try to avoid the cape lunch for a bit which is why i did not call him villa earlier but he has been villagery enuf where most likely he is just one

can you go into your dya read a bit more

they seemed a bit grumpy/not having fun from the beginning which i associated with them having randed wolf when not wanting to

but their recentish string of posts feels a lot like villa dya and their push on benneh seems like a classic push dya makes as a villager. don't really feel like they'd bother pushing on benneh of all people d1 as a wolf considering how little into the game they seemed to be

they would have just made a bunch of consensus-y reads and called it a day IMO

and also talk about insomnia

seems fine and probably has an okay view of the gamestate, nice post on cape

wouldnt be shocked if he is a wolf but it FEELS like he is a villager

**Cape90** · 08-01-2023, 22:57

Originally Posted by ladd

i have never been a big gamestate gui but my feeling is that cape is gonna be lunched, he will (probably) flip wolf and then the rest of the game will be a ton harder.

i

Originally Posted by ladd

i have never been a big gamestate gui but my feeling is that cape is gonna be lunched, he will (probably) flip wolf and then the rest of the game will be a ton harder.

am not

Originally Posted by ladd

i have never been a big gamestate gui but my feeling is that cape is gonna be lunched, he will (probably) flip wolf and then the rest of the game will be a ton harder.

lying

**katze** · 08-01-2023, 22:57

Originally Posted by Cape90

i

am not

lying

post 332 vs post 110

**ladd** · 08-01-2023, 22:58

Originally Posted by Cape90

i

am not

lying

Thats ppst 330

You quoted me on post 100

Lol

**Visor** · 08-01-2023, 21:56

Originally Posted by Cuthillius

this is a really funny post

it's not. wrong, or at least in principle it's a good analysis of how katze works and plays

it's just a wild post to make here

but i like the commitment and think it probably tends to tip in the v direction most of the time lol

that post almost made me turn to the bottle myself

yo ladd buongiorno when you're back can you write me like a short paragraph of your impression of the current gamestate (since you already used the word)

because i have specific feelings about it but i haven't sat down and articulated them properly but i'd like to compare notes a bit

couple other questions

how confident are you on benneh atm

can you go into your dya read a bit more

and also talk about insomnia

tyty

atm i want to shoot ender into the sun but also i don't see the upside of him playing like this as a wolf??

so idk i'm kinda circling back to villager

i do think his play has been pro-wolf though, but again this would be an insane way to approach d1 as a wolf in this sort of a list

Wolfy Bongiorno

(Legit)

**nebjiamn** · 08-01-2023, 22:09

Originally Posted by Visor

Wolfy Bongiorno

(Legit)

the foreign language tell

gottem

**EnderWiggin** · 08-03-2023, 01:39

Cuth's posts 5 hours before EOD are actually just bleeding town. Especially the whole diatribe about wanting to engage but feeling locked out (sorry about any contributions I did to that, I was feeling sassy due to not-mafia things and probably shouldn't have channelled it so much into the game.)

**Totally not Taffy** · 08-01-2023, 18:14

I looked at the thread yesterday before going to bed, saw that I was 100 posts behind and decided to leave it till today to read up. I am now made of regret, but at least I have some time till EoD.