The Scourge of Ephesus [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

-35 F with wind chill.

I'll be here today.

At least you get off today. Someone else still had to go to classes and still has to go to work.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

-25 F here.

[boudica]

...I won't suicide; that's bad for the town, after all.

Vote: Abstain

Not if you're mafia it's not. And then in the next post you start talking about the weather and school!

smells like a windy bluff.

vote: seireikhaan

[GeneralHankerchief]

Responding to Sigurd a bit out of order.

I do however question the decision of not even trying to take you out as you are a threat to any bad guy in this game. Are you communicating with players outside this game? Do you discuss with others your choice of blocks? Have you learned that attempts have been made on the players you protect?

I don't let anybody know who my blocks are going to be for fear of the mafia finding out and acting accordingly. One person last night PM'd me with a choice of suggestion - I was noncommittal. Last night I also did PM one random person with my blocks relatively late in the night phase; with the intent of me dying, they would pass on my selections to you all. If that person said nothing, I would know that they were mafia and strongly hint in the thread as much. That's all I intend to do, for as you well know, I heavily distrust "pro-town" groups.

Also, Andres told me that if there was an attempt on of my protectees' lives, it would be narrated in the thread.

On the first night there was only one kill, most likely by one of the mafia. Compared to the other nights we lack two killers; the shadow vigilante and the other mafioso.
This night lacked only the shadow vigilante. There was the murder of Quintus, which would put the suspicion on me for being the other mafia that were blocked on night one.
This last night had two attempts with guns. I suspect that YLC is the vigilante aka the athletic man and that he possibly was attacked this night by the second mafioso. YLC's night action was canceled as he dodged the killer. You mentioned something about a report from Andres and that it said nothing of value. Do you suspect it will say something important if you in fact do investigate a killer?

I doubt it will. I've blocked for five nights now and have almost certainly hit at least one mafioso by now. I think the only clue will be is if there's an attack attempt.

I suspected you had a role in this game as did pizzaguy and hewas right. A GH without a role usually makes more noise. I would have unvoted you had I been on.

The problem, Sigurd, is that you knew I had been a bad guy in Spirit Mafia and still pushed the line of argument that I wasn't mentioning the fact that I wasn't a mafioso. Midgard was the only time I ever brought this up. So, after finally getting an anti-town role in September, I think that was more than enough to keep me satisfied until January (December, really, because of ATPG's game), especially since I didn't play much between then and now.

Pizzaguy thought I was mafia, not that I just more generally had a role. You agreed with that point, not the more general one. That's why it doesn't all add up.

[Reenk Roink]

Drilling = Questioning to death Sigurd. Even the insane have to utter something of sense once in awhile. Get your mind out of the gutter, there's only one person I'd do that to.

I am a plain town, and I have never professed to be anything else. But I never really tried to defend myself and dodged all questioning because it would have ended up being a WIFOM me argument. Why the sudden focus on me Sigurd? It's common knowledge I am nothing but a townie, even Reenk knows that.

So many problems with this...

I would have loved the "questioning to death"; more material for my role and it would have probably got you going the way of TinCow when he tried to do the same.

Had you not been lynched by the mob, I would have probably gotten rid of you myself if I felt you weren't helpful to my and the towns cause.

It isn't common knowledge that you are anything by the way, and don't purport things I don't believe. I think there is a chance you may be bluffing in some way to get back at me because you somehow thought I was 'unhelpful' and 'confusing' (maybe to you I really was, but I would gladly accept that consequence to carry out my mission). However, I do think you certainly could be a killer or even Mafia. Nothing exonerates you yet, and there is certainly some evidence against you.

The only thing we can be somewhat convinced of is GeneralHankerchief's roleblocking ability, though I still have my doubts (and doubts about my own doubts) on if he is with the town.

[Yoyoma1910]

Unvote: shlin28

Vote: Jolt

I just did not want to see 6 people to get lynched.

Yes, but we can never know when you have some devious plan to kill 6 people.. well.. in-game that is.

No.

But it's better to lynch someone ourselves then let game host to randomly pick one.

After carefully thinking this through I Unvote: Jolt and Vote: Abstain

today:

Actually, I suspect Yoyoma. So, I Vote: Yoyoma

That's funny, because I find your activity from the last round suspicious, as well as your phasing of how you find me suspicious.

I voted for Jolt because he said that he couldn't be mafia, since he wasn't around on the weekends. As if he couldn't presend his selection of targets. He chose to play this game, already knowing his own schedule, but not knowing his alignment. His argument, while he may have thought it valid, was a fallacy.

You voted, Shlin, because he thought there should be more pressure on you, then Jolt, to ensure who would be lynched. When this came under suspicion, you changed your vote to nothing. You move like a serpent, and you speak with a tongue that is forked.


Now you "suspect Yoyoma." May I ask at least why you would suspect him (which is me, although who it is matters little, in the sense that everyone should be under suspicion)?


Jack-Boot-of-Suspicion:Ibn-Khaldun

[Jolt]

I voted for Jolt because he said that he couldn't be mafia, since he wasn't around on the weekends. As if he couldn't presend his selection of targets. He chose to play this game, already knowing his own schedule, but not knowing his alignment. His argument, while he may have thought it valid, was a fallacy.

This was my first game, and I had no clue what could non-townies do in the beginning (As I was assigned to being a townie).

Secondly, I never said I couldn't be the Mafia. I just noted (And it is a fact, thus not an argument)
that I was unavailable during the three supposed mafia kills, day, therefore exempting me from the kills (Since I was unaware that targets could be pre-sent.)

Thirdly, I had no clue I could presend a selection of targets (I suppose since I don't know what is to be a mafioso, and it would be rather odd to start killing left and right without knowing the evidences.) without knowing if I was under suspicion or not (That is wierd, since that way anyone could avoid WoG).

Since I didn't know the "preselection" of targets was a possibility for a mafioso renders my argument quite valid. Even if the argument was not valid for some, it became quite clear in the write-up of my death, that my character thought the whole thing was faked. >_> Clearing any doubts as to what allignment I had.

[Yoyoma1910]

I believe you, I'm not saying you are a guilty party, however when someone tells me they couldn't be mafia because they don't meet the qualifications, a red light goes off.

No one really knows what other people know. And in law, ignorance is not a plea.

Many players try to make themselves seem more ignorant in order to hide their skills, especially ones who people aren't very familiar with. People do this is life too. It's how pool sharks make their money.

[Quintus.JC]

Mmmm... Looks like a open coffin funeral is out of the question.

[Sigurd]

The problem, Sigurd, is that you knew I had been a bad guy in Spirit Mafia and still pushed the line of argument that I wasn't mentioning the fact that I wasn't a mafioso. Midgard was the only time I ever brought this up. So, after finally getting an anti-town role in September, I think that was more than enough to keep me satisfied until January (December, really, because of ATPG's game), especially since I didn't play much between then and now.

I have checked the game in question. I must admit I didn't remember it when I made my comments. I stand corrected. I made an erroneous evaluation of your track record.

Pizzaguy thought I was mafia, not that I just more generally had a role. You agreed with that point, not the more general one. That's why it doesn't all add up.

Yes I agreed with pizzaguy, thinking Andres would have favourized you as mafioso. It had been suficient time since your last comments of not being a mafioso. My brain told me that Andres could have given you a sinister role.

Still... I would hold on to my claim that I can't be mafia. The mafia hits were all in the night report. And no block of a killer were mentioned there. You are lynching an innocent with three votes. I am more suspicious of seireikhann now that he has opted to abstain as if waiting to cast the final vote on me should he tie.

[edit]: Wait.. am I in the wrong about the tally? I have not kept one this round.

[shlin28]

Too busy to read through thread now, Vote: Ibn Khadun, for his votes without explainations last round.

[Yoyoma1910]

No answer, and I probably won't be back before the end of the day phase, so:


vote:Ibn-Khaldun

[Yoyoma1910]

Shlin, how do you always slip your posts in on me?

Maybe I should think less and type faster, as I spend like 5 minutes just thinking how to phrase 1 line.

Anyway, I didn't see Shlin's post before I posted mine.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I don't need to explain myself. (Because I can't prove that Yoyoma is one of the mafia who I think she is)

And when you lynch me you will lynch another townie.

[Sigurd]

I guess I was wrong about the tally...

tally:
seireikhaan: 3 (boudica, Sigurd, Glyphz)
Sigurd: 3 (GH, YLC, w&f)

Ibn Khadun: 2 (Shlin, Yoyoma)
Abstain: 3 (seireikhaan, Chatorix, Lord Winter)

Not voting: 6 (Tiberius, Beefy, CountA, Caius, El Diablo, Seamus)

[Sigurd]

I don't need to explain myself. (Because I can't prove that Yoyoma is one of the mafia who I think she is)

And when you lynch me you will lynch another townie.

You are not exactly in danger of being lynched just yet. But I am and would welcome any theories you might have. Why do you suspect Yoyoma is mafia?

[Quintus.JC]

After reading through the thread quickly I would probably vote for Ibu-Khaldun if I were alive, but there is no certainty about his aligement. Only one thing is certain, the mafia will surely strike again unless you do something about it.

[Andres]

Voting concluded.

Stand by for execution.

[TinCow]

Yeesh, you're all being foolish. For once, you've got actual evidence before you. We've got a confirmed role blocker. The confirmation comes from multiple people receiving night PMs from Andres, which are impossible for GH to fake. Thus, GH's ability to block is confirmed, and his pro-town nature is almost guaranteed (almost, because I never consider anything to be an absolute in mafia).

GH has produced evidence that there were fewer kills on nights when Sigurd, Quintus, and boudica were blocked. This evidence is very decent and is vastly superior to lynching based on posting and voting patterns. Get your heads out of your and lynch the people listed above.

[Reenk Roink]

Yeesh, you're all being foolish. For once, you've got actual evidence before you. We've got a confirmed role blocker. The confirmation comes from multiple people receiving night PMs from Andres, which are impossible for GH to fake. Thus, GH's ability to block is confirmed, and his pro-town nature is almost guaranteed (almost, because I never consider anything to be an absolute in mafia).

How do your previous statements AT ALL imply the bolded part?

[Sigurd]

Yeesh, you're all being foolish. For once, you've got actual evidence before you. We've got a confirmed role blocker. The confirmation comes from multiple people receiving night PMs from Andres, which are impossible for GH to fake. Thus, GH's ability to block is confirmed, and his pro-town nature is almost guaranteed (almost, because I never consider anything to be an absolute in mafia).

GH has produced evidence that there were fewer kills on nights when Sigurd, Quintus, and boudica were blocked. This evidence is very decent and is vastly superior to lynching based on posting and voting patterns. Get your heads out of your and lynch the people listed above.

I am never lucky with dice...

But you are wrong. You should know better. The mafia can opt for not killing and make false clues such as this to slip under the radar. You have used it yourself in other games.
Besides Quintus is already dead.
GH said so himself... He was waiting for the feedback PM before making the vote. When it did not reveal anything he voted me based on gut feeling.

Seireikhaan is probably innocent. Should he survive I would let him live. Nobody plays that balsy if they are mafia.

[TinCow]

How do your previous statements AT ALL imply the bolded part?

My previous statements don't, but I'll be happy to explain my line of thought. First, we know GH can role block because it has been confirmed by many people, too many for them all to be mafia. Second, role blocking is not an ability that is likely to be given to mafia. Third, the descriptions of the old man in the write-ups appear anything but scummy.

As I specifically stated, this does not mean GH absolutely is pro-town. This is an Andres mafia game, so it's certainly possible he could be mafia or neutral. However, the evidence I see points strongly to pro-town at this point in time. If evidence appears that disputes GH's allegiance to the town, I will reassess the situation then.

[TinCow]

I am never lucky with dice...

But you are wrong. You should know better. The mafia can opt for not killing and make false clues such as this to slip under the radar. You have used it yourself in other games.
Besides Quintus is already dead.
GH said so himself... He was waiting for the feedback PM before making the vote. When it did not reveal anything he voted me based on gut feeling.

Of course they can opt to not kill. Sheer probability suggests that most, if not all, of the 3 of you are townies. However, this is the only solid evidence that exists in the game right now. Everything else is the usual analysis of posting patterns. If mafia has taught me anything, it's that hard evidence is ALWAYS better to work on than hunches and post-analysis. The games I have won as mafia have largely been because I was able to get the town to ignore the evidence and vote based on less solid leads.

At the current time, the evidence shows people being blocked on nights that there were fewer kills. I challenge anyone to tell me what evidence there is out there right now that is stronger than this.

[Andres]

The Scourge of Ephesus - Day 5 - Conclusion



The Temple of Hadrianus - 9.00 pm

The tourists started to discuss again. Allthough tensions where high and many a tourist raised his voice, the attentive observer couldn't lose the impression that they made less noise than before. Probably because they were getting few in numbers.

At the end of the day, two men were put forward.

Sigurd and seireikhaan were standing in the last sunlight of that day. Sweat on their foreheads. They stared at each other.

"Ok," the athletic man said, "guess I'll have to flip a coin."

Both suspects kept silent as the coin was being flipped.

The athletic man grabbed the coin, stared at it for a brief moment and then looked at seireikhaan. "It seems like you are lucky today."

"No!" Sigurd yelled, "This cannot be true! I'm innocent! You are all making a terrible mistake! A terrible mistake!"

"Shut up!" the tourists said. One of them yelled: "I've had about bloody enough of these messed up lynchings with suspects who don't want to accept their fate like real men!"

"Ok, ok, please. Calm down," the old man said. "No yelling. It hurts!"

"I don't care if it hurts," another tourist said, giving the old man a kick against his leg.

"Stop it!" the athletic man said. "The condemned is allowed to chose between the gun and the blade, so please, shut up and let the choice be made!"

"No!" the tourist who had just slapped the old man said. "No! No! No! WE do the lynching!"

The other tourists nodded in agreement and they all pushed aside the athletic man, grabbing his sword and gun.

They surrounded Sigurd, who was staring at the proceedings in agony.

"No! Please, no! This is not right! It's not..."

A bullet entered his stomach. Another tourist swung the blade and pierced it through Sigurd's chest.

The athletic man couldn't believe what he was seeing.

The tourists continued the massacre on Sigurd. The tourist with the blade chopped of Sigurds' right arm and both his legs, while another one emptied the gun on his head. Several other tourists kicked the body or threw rocks at it.

It seemed like ages, but it was only 10 minutes later when Sigurd's body was reduced to a bloody pulp.

After the events, the tourists looked at what they had done. Some of them where ashamed, others were too far away after 5 days and nights of atrocity...

"We can't burry... that..."

"Let's cover it with rocks."

30 minutes later, a pile of rocks marked the place where the massacre had taken place.

"Let's go to sleep."

***

Tally

Sigurd: 3 (GH, YLC, w&f)

seireikhaan: 3 (boudica, Sigurd, Glyphz)

Ibn Khadun: 2 (Shlin, Yoyoma)
Yoyoma : 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)

Abstain: 4 (seireikhaan, Chaotix, Lord Winter, CountArach)
Not voting: 5 (Tiberius, Beefy, Caius, El Diablo, Seamus)


Alive (17)

boudica
GeneralHankerchief
seireikhaan
shlin28
Tiberius of the Drake
187Beefyz
Chaotix27
YLC
woad&fangs
Yoyoma1910
Ibn-Khaldun
Lord Winter
CountArach
Caius
El Diablo
Glyphz
Seamus Fermanagh

Killed (6) :

777Ares777
TheFlax
White_Eyes :D
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy
Quintus.JC

Lynched (5) :

TinCow
Tevashzat
FactionHeir
Jolt
Sigurd

WoG/Suicide (2):
Rythmic
Ignoramus

It's now night. PM's please. Night will last for +/- 24 hours * (23.30 GMT+1)

* Note: due to RL, it's possible I won't be online in time to finish the night phase. If that happens, night will be extended with roughly 10 hours. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Sigurd]

At the current time, the evidence shows people being blocked on nights that there were fewer kills. I challenge anyone to tell me what evidence there is out there right now that is stronger than this.

Yet no failed attempts were narrated as promised. Either a) GH has not blocked a mafia at all or b) He blocked the mafia on the day the mafia chose to not kill.

But the mafia has not got rid of the blocker yet and they had the chance last night. Why? I suspect something fishy.

[GeneralHankerchief]

No, if I block mafia there will not be a writeup.

If I protect somebody who gets attacked by the mafia... then there will be a writeup.

[Sigurd]

No, if I block mafia there will not be a writeup.

If I protect somebody who gets attacked by the mafia... then there will be a writeup.

Ok... if this is true, then I must be the shadow killer as this was the only missing role on both nights.
There was a confirmed kill and a foiled kill where two power roles were involved. Yet none of you compared this to the blocking results... Fishy I tell you.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I need to go back and check the writeups. If this checks out and I did make a mistake, my apologies. And FWIW, I based my vote off of a combination of yours and TinCow's arguments.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Now.. let's see..

Night 1:
Killed: 777Ares777

Could be totally random kill.

Day 1:
Lynched: TinCow : 7 (GH, shlin28, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, Tevashzat, FactionHeir, Ignoramus)
Tevashzat : 6 (Quintus.JC, YLC, Sigurd, Yoyoma, TinCow, Seamus Fermanagh)

He got 'bandwagonned'?? I doubt it.

Night 2:
Killed: No kills

Mafia investigating/recruiting like someone proposed??

Day 2:
Lynched: Tevashzat : 8 (Reenk Roink, White_Eyes:D, YLC, Sigurd, Yoyoma1910, Ibn-Khaldun, TheFlax, glyphz)

The 'Runner-up' of previous lynch gets .. lynched. I have to admit that I voted only against him because I had no time to fully read all the posts and he seemed like his guilty. I think I was wrong.
Yoyoma voted for Teva last time and this time he gets lynched. Coincident?? I don't think so.

Night 3:
Killed: TheFlax, Reenk Roink, White_Eyes :D

Mafia probably had the chance to kill 3 certain townies and they used it.

Day3:
Lynched: FactionHeir : 2 (boudica, shlin28)

Jolt : 1 (Yoyoma1910)

You see who gets her vote and I wonder who was lynched the next day??

Night 4:
Killed: Askthepizzaguy

Vigilante kill as someone suggested. I think I agree. I also think this was a wrong move IF Vigilante killed him.

Day 4:
Lynched: Jolt : 2 (Chaotix27, Yoyoma1910)

No way, Jolt is lynched?? Coincident??

Night 5:
Killed: Quintus.JC

Quiet night with only one kill.

Day: 5
Lynched: Sigurd: 3 (GH, YLC, w&f)
Ibn Khadun: 2 (Shlin, Yoyoma)

Since I got her vote I guess I will die Day 6???
OR I get killed by mafia this night because I pissed off the wrong person??

Anyway, to me she seems to be the 'original' mafia who recruited some people to help lynch people who could reveal her. In the same time she is reducing townies in night too.
Those 'grave diggers' or what ever they are could have a secondary objective to justify their actions.

[TinCow]

Yet no failed attempts were narrated as promised. Either a) GH has not blocked a mafia at all or b) He blocked the mafia on the day the mafia chose to not kill.

But the mafia has not got rid of the blocker yet and they had the chance last night. Why? I suspect something fishy.

This is entirely correct. The mafia could be leaving GH alive for various reasons, but he could also be deceiving us. It's a question of balance. The longer the game goes on without GH being killed, the greater the likelihood that he is deceiving us. The mafia could know this and be intentionally leaving him alive, but it's risky for them too, since he might block them. We will eventually reach a point where GH may have to be lynched simply because his mere survival would be evidence of scumminess. However, we're nowhere near that point yet. A smart mafioso could get by with GH alive for a very, very long time, but I'm willing to bet that they'll get squeemish and kill GH long before the town needs to seriously start looking at lynching him.

[Reenk Roink]

My previous statements don't, but I'll be happy to explain my line of thought. First, we know GH can role block because it has been confirmed by many people, too many for them all to be mafia. Second, role blocking is not an ability that is likely to be given to mafia. Third, the descriptions of the old man in the write-ups appear anything but scummy.

Thanks for explaining. I still think it's quite plausible for a Mafia group to have a roleblocker, but the third case is quite a good one I didn't think of. The old man really just wanted to tell me stories.

GH, since your role is quite well known now, might you at least quote some parts of your PM to us? I understand if you snip certain things out for security reasons. Just put my mind to ease.