Mafia Mongolica [Concluded]

[atheotes]

so whats the case on split anyways

seems like a bandwagon to me

[DJGingivitis]

This is some serious bandwagon that apparently I am missing. While split has just been lurking does not mean he is mafia. We already voted out FH mistakenly because he had not said anything, so why do it again this early in the game. Wait till later in the game to do it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

If so, I have already responded to this long ago (to which you put an animation of Michael Jackson anachronistically in his Smooth Criminal suit dancing to Beat It saying "Lynch Reenk").

Possible candidate for "excerpt of the year" award?

Anyway, I saw Kommodus reading the Capo sign-up thread in invisible mode and pre-emptively welcomed him back. I'm sure he'll grace us with his presence sooner or later.

Anyway, I again stress the importance of lynching Beskar now while our attention is focused on him. The natural flow of mafia games will give us different suspects in the next rounds, and there have been more instances of the town putting pressure on a mafioso early-game and then letting him slip by than I can remember.

-edit- Mafia VI, pever.

[Beskar]

No matter how many times you say to lynch me, you won't get your justice, because I didn't kill you. Accept it. All I can say is, there are many people saying I am innocent and defending me.

Why would they do that, if I was "Mafia scum" ? Put on your thinking hats people, seriously. Unless you are trying to say there are 7 Mafia in a 2 Mafia game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Two mafia, five mistaken people. Or one mafia with six mistaken people and the second mafioso simply hanging back.

Your argument is essentially that anytime anyone has more defenders than there are mafiosi in the game, they are innocent. Which, of course, is incorrect.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beskar can't be guilty because he's my... err.... sweetie pie.

[Splitpersonality]

It could be that the people defending you are just misled, maybe this misleading was sparked by the other mafia member whose argument defended you?

Just because people are defending you doesn't mean you're innocent.

Look at me, no one is defending me but i'm clear as day innocent.


EDIT:

Oh okay ATPG, in that case we should lay off. Because that's adorable.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Quit denying it Beskar, you know you loves me.

[Beskar]

I would love to feel complimented, that I am some actual Mafia Guru Game Lord, where that possibly exists, however, the truth is far more simple and "oh... just another townie".

Your argument is essentially that anytime anyone has more defenders than there are mafiosi in the game, they are innocent. Which, of course, is incorrect.

Or it could be, they know something you don't know, therefore it might be an idea to listen to them.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Or it could be, they know something you don't know, therefore it might be an idea to listen to them.

If you're implying what I think you're implying, then you've just given the mafia a laundry list of names to go after.

[Chaotix]

No matter how many times you say to lynch me, you won't get your justice, because I didn't kill you. Accept it. All I can say is, there are many people saying I am innocent and defending me.

Why would they do that, if I was "Mafia scum" ? Put on your thinking hats people, seriously. Unless you are trying to say there are 7 Mafia in a 2 Mafia game.

Contrary to popular belief, just because somebody says you are innocent does not make it so. Obviously we cannot know for sure whether or not you are mafia or town, but as of now, you are the biggest suspect. Generally the biggest suspect tends to get lynched in mafia games.

[Reenk Roink]

-edit- Mafia VI, pever.

Wasn't it Mafia V? Mafia IV was the really cheap profile watching program. I played Mafia VI (last game of your original series for me) and all I remember is bitterly going after Sasaki for his playstyle but I was killed early. Now I'm trying somewhat to imitate him because he's gone again.

To the game: It's sad that Beskar will once again escape death and not only that, but like split will be lynched for some random reason when there are a host of better lynches. Do note two things:

1) GeneralHankerchief's vote might have been critical to this round
2) Beskar went to YLC by PM asking him to buy his vote (and the honest businessman kept his trade honest and informed us about it)

[TinCow]

1) GeneralHankerchief's vote might have been critical to this round

Now you're stretching it a bit too far. There was no way anyone could have predicted we'd end up in a tie this round.

[Reenk Roink]

Now you're stretching it a bit too far. There was no way anyone could have predicted we'd end up in a tie this round.

Prediction? Who cares about predictions, look at the results right now.

As soon as GH was killed, I pointed out that one reason might be for Beskar to take out someone who constantly voted for him (and made clear his suspicions and his intentions to continue with them) who also was not attracting much attention.

I'm sure you'll bring up the vacuous tool of WIFOM again... just remember, everything can be WIFOM...

[TinCow]

Prediction? Who cares about predictions, look at the results right now.

As soon as GH was killed, I pointed out that one reason might be for Beskar to take out someone who constantly voted for him (and made clear his suspicions and his intentions to continue with them) who also was not attracting much attention.

I'm sure you'll bring up the vacuous tool of WIFOM again... just remember, everything can be WIFOM...

Sorry, you're right. The fact that you pointed that out completely negates the possibility that GH was killed to frame Beskar. I stand corrected and will blindly follow your lead whenever something appears to be uncertain. Thank you for lifting the heavy burden which results from thinking for oneself.

[Beskar]

1) GeneralHankerchief's vote might have been critical to this round

No it wouldn't, since your argument is that I killed him. even though it was obvious frame up.

[Splitpersonality]

There was no way anyone could have predicted we'd end up in a tie this round.

Does it count that as soon as I knew I was going to post, I knew I was going to be in a tie or lynched? :P



Really though everyone who says Beskar isn't a good lynch, i.e. everyone voting for me right now. Why am I a good lynch then?

People seem to be vehemently defending Beskar but I'm only being used to tie with him.

[Death is yonder]

This is some serious bandwagon that apparently I am missing. While split has just been lurking does not mean he is mafia. We already voted out FH mistakenly because he had not said anything, so why do it again this early in the game. Wait till later in the game to do it.

I think it is because that we feel that Beskar's current style is not unusual, and whilst it may be to one who doesn't really play with him, its just, his way of handling things.

Wait till later in the game to do it.

The merits behind getting rid of lurkers is a fine balance between removing someone who is currently not contributing actively and is unlikely to do so in the foreseeable future, thus becoming a vote that the town loses, as well as doing it too dogmatically such that the mafia is able to blend it and hide within it.

But generally, its not the end game that one should be focusing on the lurkers, by then, we *hopefully* should have narrowed down the pointer at suspicious characters through discussion, and with some luck, eliminate the mafia.

This is generally why discussion is very important in a game, particularly games such as these where town mainly relies on analysis and etc, and lurking is simply just going to help the mafia.

There have been many games where the mafia have had walkovers simply because the town did not actively discuss enough.]

Edit: On the other side of the coin, being too overzealous about it is why people also tend to avoid either trying to focus on one person.

Unvote:ATPG Vote:Beskar Get rid of the guy who is "Always going to be lynch bait" (Nothing personal Beskar but your too big a threat to town)...."If we always look back, we well never move forward" Lynch Beskar and get it over with...

Just an example to cite.

[TinCow]

so whats the case on split anyways

seems like a bandwagon to me

A-yup. It is most curious and warrants examination. The split votes started as an effort to get him talking, and then snowballed into a convenient target to spare Beskar. As the former purpose has been served, those who are voting for him who are not using the 'Save Beskar!' excuse are extremely suspect. This currently includes Chaotix and AVSM. Khazaar is also in the category, but appears to be voting for split out of sheer laziness.

[A Very Super Market]

You fail to see that me and Chaotix never put him ahead. I did it for the chil- tie! And some wordplay. It was good fun.

Unvote, Vote: Khazaar

spL1tp3r50naL1ty : 5 (Chaotix, ATPG, Sigurd, DiY, Khazaar)

Beskar : 5 (Reenk Roink, pevergreen, YLC, WE:D, Tincow)
Khazaar : 2 (spL1tp3r50naL1ty, AVSM)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Beskar, Tratorix)
Askthepizzaguy : 2 (gibsonsg91921, Jolt)
Tin Cow : 1 (DJGingivitis)

Abstains : 1 (Ichigo)
not voting : 2 (Caius, LW)

Because joining a bandwagon on someone who voted for you isn't silly at all.

[seireikhaan]

This round will end at exactly 5:30 AM CST, or 10:30 GMT, regardless of whether I am on and the writeup is posted.


EDIT: Khazaar vote for splitpersonality.

[TinCow]

Hrmph. If a choice must be made between split and Beskar, and apparently it must, Beskar is the better option. A weak case is better than no case.

Vote: Beskar

spL1tp3r50naL1ty : 5 (Chaotix, ATPG, Sigurd, DiY, Khazaar)
Beskar : 5 (Reenk Roink, pevergreen, YLC, WE:D, TinCow)

Khazaar : 2 (spL1tp3r50naL1ty, AVSM)
Reenk Roink : 2 (Beskar, Tratorix)
Askthepizzaguy : 2 (gibsonsg91921, Jolt)
Tin Cow : 1 (DJGingivitis)

Abstains : 1 (Ichigo)
not voting : 2 (Caius, LW)

[Beskar]

Remember TinCow, when there was a stupid bandwagon on you, who stood by your side, in attempts to save you, because as an accused Townie themselves, they believed you were not the Mafia, and actually stood up against the almightly bandwagon and go "No, look, you lot, are wrong, this Metal Beefy chum of mine is not a Mafia!". When everyone was after you, you was like a beacon of light standing there going "You shalt not pass!"...

You should have learnt that Beskar is a friend for life.

[TinCow]

Remember TinCow, when there was a stupid bandwagon on you, who stood by your side, in attempts to save you, because as an accused Townie themselves, they believed you were not the Mafia, and actually stood up against the almightly bandwagon and go "No, look, you lot, are wrong, this Metal Beefy chum of mine is not a Mafia!". When everyone was after you, you was like a beacon of light standing there going "You shalt not pass!"...

I am currently voting for you because after a rather decent day's worth of discussion, you remain the best case that has been presented. I am curious about several other people, but not sufficiently so to vote for them. The case against you is minimal at best, but it is there at a basic level. If you have a stronger case against someone else, please present it. What you need to do at this point is not defend yourself, but give us some viable reason to lynch someone who isn't you.

[Reenk Roink]

So finally some things new emerge from the woodwork.

I'm suspicious of anyone who voted for splitpersonality. What was the reason? All I can think of is that he voted without giving a reason and he was third on the bandwagon on me. The first while indeed not really being any paragon of innocence cannot be so damning as to lynch when there are more well developed reasons for voting another and the latter is a cliche which has little worth.

The reason why I am suspicious of people voting split is because I think this would be plausible Mafia reasoning: Atpg, Beskar, and Reenk are likely to go anyway so let's keep them around when we need patsies more and try to get rid of another like FactionHeir or Beefy.

To be honest, I'd rather you lynch me than splitpersonality. The same applies to Khaazar by the way.

Now then, these are the people that should be focused on imo:

Beskar, Atpg, Reenk (you know...)

Tratorix (explained before too)

Sigurd:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I feel that Beskar is not the right choice this round. There will be ample time to lynch him later should we go for that option.

This post fits in to what I was thinking. Keeping us suspicious folk around as long as possible for a rainy day, taking a convenient lynch on split...

Death is Yonder (votes split and then talks about something unrelated)

TinCow:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Vote : Tin Cow

Beskar: 2 (Reenk Roink, pevergreen)
Reenk Roink 2: (Beskar, Tratorix)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (White_eyes:D, gibsonsg91921)
Khazaar: 2 (spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Askthepizzaguy)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty: 1 (Chaotix)
Tin Cow: 1 (DJGingivitis)

My reasoning is very simple. You have only gone after people who have started voted for people who look suspicious. However I feel that if you attempt to make a case on these people who are voting off of other people's actions that you are trying to delay someone dying perhaps yourself. Something about you stirring everything up seems odd. In the 2nd round you randomly switched to YLC. I had my suspicions about YLC up until now. His power to cast his vote for someone else's thoughts scared me. It is modern politics. But now I discovered you, a greater evil. And for this reason I shall vote for you. And YLC, my apologies but I ask you know, kind merchant, lend me your vote, vote for Tin Cow. Get rid of this murderous man.

I agree with points of this case, and would have considered TinCow to be trying to keep us patsies around as long as possible until he voted Beskar... Turning a new leaf, faking us out, or legitimate?

Chaotix and Khaazar (the former tried to justify his vote because split voted himself. Kinda lacking, I agree but maybe it's genuine and it doesn't have the malevolent feel like say Sigurd's vote. Khaazar voted split cause Atpg would give him a cookie. I don't know if he'd get it, though it would be cool if he did, and his vote would be very understandable )

Can't you guys tell reenks alignment?

Its clear as day to me every game.

Not everyone has the pevereenk connection.

P.S: Thank you very much YLC.

I gave more about Reenk Roink to be lynched than any case so far. The case against me is "Beskar is lynch bait, kill him".

No you didn't and no it's not.