KOTF OOC Thread

[_Tristan_]

Hi, all...

To adress your concerns about the lack of an IC post in the Conseil thread, it was mainly due to the fact I knew that i'd probably be unable to post when the voting period elapsed... Hence my request to Zim to make it known what Edicts I intended to veto... I thought he would have made an announcement in the IC thread in the form of an hearl announcement but chose rather to do it in the voting thread.

I should get to the save tonite but nothing is sure as I'll be celebrating the 2-years of my little girl

At the latest, the save should be posted Saturday evening.

[Braden]

Hi, all...

To adress your concerns about the lack of an IC post in the Conseil thread, it was mainly due to the fact I knew that i'd probably be unable to post when the voting period elapsed... Hence my request to Zim to make it known what Edicts I intended to veto... I thought he would have made an announcement in the IC thread in the form of an hearl announcement but chose rather to do it in the voting thread.

I should get to the save tonite but nothing is sure as I'll be celebrating the 2-years of my little girl

At the latest, the save should be posted Saturday evening.

Oh cool! My little boy turned 2 only two weeks ago...and his sister was seven the week before...have fun

[Vladimir]

Using French words and phrases is good but can an individual be awarded a settlement? I thought it was per house.

[Northnovas]

Before the save gets going are we going to recuit some new avatars? I will pick from something that is generated rather then the current inactive left overs. I think there at least 4 members looking for avatars.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

So true. was just waiting for someone to bring it up. waiting and waiting.

[HolyGateKeeper]

Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, wait.... So where are the rules? I don't see any rules, plus I'm thinking I might be in looney land

[econ21]

Before the save gets going are we going to recuit some new avatars?

My understanding is that we are starting a new turn - that's what Tristan reported on. Ideally, we should have queued up the avatars last turn but I guess we missed that chance. If my understanding is correct, we don't need to hold up moves this turn, but I agree we should not press end turn again until we have sorted this out. Zim should be the one handling this, but given that things are moving on, maybe we should just do it ourselves.

The Seneschal would be the obvious person to do it, but Tristan is having trouble killing off avatars. Ideally we would recruit more avatars than we need to give people a choice, but if we can't kill them off, I would not advise that. Can anyone download the save and kill off Eloi de Montferrat (TheLemongate), Pierre de Saint-Amand (everyone), Loup de Gisors (Beskar) and Alphonse la Hire (Rowan)? If we can do that, we can then decide how many new RBGs need recruiting (I dimly rmention being made of people having a choice of 3).

I'll have a go if no one else feels confident.

Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, wait.... So where are the rules? I don't see any rules, plus I'm thinking I might be in looney land

Please read all the threads that are "stickied" (i.e. at the top of this forum), especially this one:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=120308

[Ituralde]

Go ahead and kill them. I thought we discussed only spawning one avatar for each player, but I can't find it anywhere in the rules so I'm fine with the choice thing. Another thing I fonud though was the restriction of having to wait five turns for a new RGB to be spawned. I haven't been counting, and honestly I currently see no need to follow that rule too strictly, but I wanted to mention it none the less.


Another thing I noticed and that I am now unclear on is the ratification of provinces. There's a segment in the rules about it, specifically the condition that unratified provinces have to be abandoned or given away. Is this something we enforce IC or OOC? And do we have an overview somewhere which provinces are ratified and which aren't? Because Nottingham and York were not ratified during the last Session, but Edict E1.10 has a wording sketchy enough that would make them both ratified along with London, since they all were used by William to hide in. But then Londons ratification in the last Session was somewhat superfluos. So do we decide whether a ratification is valid IC or OOC?

As the whole of Albion will probably be an IC topic soon I'd just like us all to be on the same page OOC.

So Nottingham, York and London were all ratified prior to their capture by Edict E1.10! Am I right, or am I right?

[shlin28]

Greetings!

Having recently re-installed M2TW on my new laptop, and with plenty of spare time on hand, I wish to join this game, if you will have me

I have already installed LTC as well as the KOTF mod, and tested it out on the latest save. Am I right in assuming that I only need to wait before I will be assigned an avatar?

[econ21]

Go ahead and kill them. I thought we discussed only spawning one avatar for each player, but I can't find it anywhere in the rules so I'm fine with the choice thing. Another thing I fonud though was the restriction of having to wait five turns for a new RGB to be spawned. I haven't been counting, and honestly I currently see no need to follow that rule too strictly, but I wanted to mention it none the less.

I did not see the 5 turn rule; given that, I think it's best to wait for Zim to sort all this out. It sounds like we have two deaths and three new or returning players to accommodate. That's quite a big job - best to do it properly.

Because Nottingham and York were not ratified during the last Session, but Edict E1.10 has a wording sketchy enough that would make them both ratified along with London, since they all were used by William to hide in.

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So Nottingham, York and London were all ratified prior to their capture by Edict E1.10! Am I right, or am I right?

I think the King could plausibly make that case.

So do we decide whether a ratification is valid IC or OOC?

My 2 cents: in the first instance, decide IC about validity, with OOC decisionmaking (appeal to the GM) as a backup. For example, in the case of Nottingham and York, the King has an arguable case and so dealing with that IC seems appropriate. At the moment, given that the Seneschal decides issues of edict interpretation affecting the King, he seems in a strong position to get his way. If Overknight was still the Seneschal, I could see the issue going the opposite way. If a ratification claim was purely bogus - e.g. if there was no Edict E1.10 but the King just wanted to keep Nottingham and York - then OOC enforcement would be appropriate.

Am I right in assuming that I only need to wait before I will be assigned an avatar?

Hi and welcome! Yes, sounds like you are good to go. I am sure our gamesmaster, Zim, will help you when he next checks in - there are about four other players also needing avatars.

[Ituralde]

I did not see the 5 turn rule; given that, I think it's best to wait for Zim to sort all this out. It sounds like we have two deaths and three new or returning players to accommodate. That's quite a big job - best to do it properly.

It's just above the (c). - Battles: segment of the rules.
And initial IC with OOC as backup sounds good to me!

Welcome to the game shlin28!

[_Tristan_]

About the ratification of our 3 English provinces, William was fist dicovered in Nottingham and then made his way to York, thus taking this two provinces within the limits of Edict E1.10... As to London, I could have argued that as it was our intended Crusade target and as such was pre-ratified but I thought a specific Edict might be better as I couldn't see London within the limtis of Edict E1.10.

As to giving provinces, there's nothing that prevents the gifting of them to any avatar the King sees fit, even bypassing the will of a Duke and giving it to one of the Duke's vassals directly (though nothing prevents the Duke froma sking his vassal to return the land to him or pass it to another vassal...)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

And this reminds me that Charles still don't have his own personal province!

[deguerra]

Awww...someone ought to take Alphonse La Hire. He's cool!

HolyGateKeeper, I'm going to delay making you a coat of arms until you have a character, as his coat of Arms really ought to fit the character, the house he joins etc etc. Read the rules and you should have a character soon,

Shlin28, welcome!

[Vladimir]

How do I get something built in Marseilles? I thought we updated the Status thread with what we wanted and the Seneschal ques it up. I have a brothel requested from two turns ago. We have the money.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

How do I get something built in Marseilles? I thought we updated the Status thread with what we wanted and the Seneschal ques it up. I have a brothel requested from two turns ago. We have the money.

I guess the Seneschal does not like you

[deguerra]

AFAIK the build queue is mandatory in the sense that nothing else can be built, but it is still up to the Seneshal to actually start building anything.

You can prioritize things, I think. Units certainly, not sure about buildings. Check the rules thread, I'd say.

edit: Hmm, yeah. Nothing on prioritizing buildings in the rules. Not sure if that was intentional or an oversight. I seem to remember us having it in former games.

[Vladimir]

I guess the Seneschal does not like you

Apparently not if I can't get one of the cheapest buildings built.

[Braden]

And this reminds me that Charles still don't have his own personal province!

Ha! Get in line young'un...back of queue.

[Ituralde]

Weekend is busy as always. So I give Tristan permission to move my avatar this turn. If he needs it to fight the Danes for example.

[Ramses II CP]

My sympathies on your loss W&F. I hope you ask for another avatar.

[deguerra]

Yeah, same here. Incidentally: Alphonse La Hire is still free!

[woad&fangs]

Sorry OK. Our Duchy was small to begin with and then I ran off and did something silly like that. In case you were wondering, your IC order/suggestion was very clear. However, I knew that was the only time I had in the next couple of days to fight a battle, so I decided to have a bit of fun. Alas, those dang mounted sergeants are a wee bit faster than I remember them to be. I hope the Duchy has some luck in recruiting new members.

I will rejoin the game at some point but not right away. I'm thinking in a few seneschal terms when Bertin's (so far unmentioned)bastard children reach avatar age. On the positive side, I think I can make a rather entertaining story out of Bertin's death. Hopefully I'll find some time this week to write it.

I sure will miss Bertin, though. He was my favorite avatar so far

[OverKnight]

That's a shame, on the bright side considering your stories there will be many bastards to choose from.

Mounted Sergeants are ideal for chasing down Family Members for better or worse.

[_Tristan_]

My condelences to OK, who lost Hugues this turn to the "Age mod"...

Lorraine is moribund...

[Ituralde]

What a shame. May I ask what his age was? I haven't been keeping track.

[_Tristan_]

50... which brings Philippe so much nearer to the grave...

[Braden]

CRAP!! That's my plan scupperd

[econ21]

3 RGBs have been generated for players who had lost their avatars :

Are we going to stick to the rule that players wait 5 turns before respawning? My 2 cents is that we don't need to with players that die under another player's charge or due to natural causes. So we could just give CDF, Northnovas and OK a choice of those three avatars? Unless Zim steps in, I suggest they rank the 3 avatars in order of preference and Tristan use a random number or some other method to resolve ties.

We have 2 prospective new players, so I will ask Zim to approve their joining the game. Unless you hear otherwise, Tristan, I would recommend spawning two more RBGs for them to pick up next turn.

Commiserations on your loss, Woad&fangs: do let us know when you want a new avatar spawning.

[_Tristan_]

Zim specifically asked me to recruit these 3 avatars.

I'm all for giving them to CDF, NN and OK. I would even have done it before hitting end turn, last turn, but didn't think about it.
We've also got a 4th avatar waiting that could become a family member (OK ?) which might be a good idea if we want our faction to last (as we've almost no male continuation).

I'll recruit the necessary avatars next turn.