StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I cannot contain myself.

As investigated not-Sith I stand the highest chance out of all of you for not being Sith, and 100% chance of not being an original Sith. Drain my powers and you will see, there's not a whole lot to say about me. Your vote would be better placed on someone who has at least a chance of being an original Sith, GH. You've been barking up the wrong tree about me all game, now quit it.

[Centurion1]

ok so i keep catching up and then losing ground and then i say okay ill see how this develops before i vote. and thne i miss the vote and get behind again.

My attention is now on this fantastic game i should be paying better attention to.

vote: split

god said to :D

[pevergreen]

Woof.

Vote: Centurion1

Where is your god now?

[Centurion1]

unvote; vote: pevergreen

obviously hes not in Australia with you.

[pevergreen]

Nice use of OMGUS there, completely not needed.

[autolycus]

So you'd rather vote for quiet over "bad vibe"?

No, it's more, "I've played with niklas before, so I know he's quieter than usual, I don't know if White_Eyes is more scummy-feeling than usual because I haven't played with him"

Atpg, few people have been communicating with me outside the thread, the fact that my analysis of who seems off coincides with yours should not be surprising.

[Diana Abnoba]

Vote: Centurion1 finally post again, but only after you're pointed out as not having enough posts, and should have been WOG'd by now. And on top of that, you pick one of the only players, that just replaced an inactive player that was WOG'd, and mafia have been active every phase. Very scummy!!

I also like the pressure on white_eyes, and Niklas, something is just off there.

[TinCow]

Do what I do. If when you come back there is more than a page (i use 80 ppp, so if you're on default, 3 pages) either just skip them or just go through and search for any mention of you.

I've been trying that strat out this game, seems to be working.

edit: actually, i don't know.

I'll be lynched/killed off in the next phase or two, as usual. Never lasted to the end of a game.

Total scum post. Please lynch pevergreen.

Vote: pevergreen

[Diana Abnoba]

It also looks like there was an investigation in the write up, if so, we need some way to communicate this info to the town. Maybe contact a proven townie and they can be your voice.

[atheotes]

It also looks like there was an investigation in the write up, if so, we need some way to communicate this info to the town. Maybe contact a proven townie and they can be your voice.

Chaotix is there as a voice if needed.

Vote: White_eyes

[Choxorn]

Vote: Psychonaut, because I really can't believe the Sith haven't killed him yet if he's not a Sith himself.

[Yaropolk]

Vote: White Eyes

[Diana Abnoba]

@ Atheotes

Yes, I agree, Chaotix is the perfect choice. Just didn't want to put him on the spot, if he didn't want it. (but it was what I was hinting to).

[Diana Abnoba]

Unvote; Vote: Niklas just to even the votes up, looks like a little bandwagon on White_eyes now, as of late.

[Secura]

Oh well... the thing I waited all game for to happen never came to pass.

Good luck town, you're going to need it. :3

[Diamondeye]

Vote: White_Eyes:D

FoS: atheotes (& TC, still)

Busy, omw to school in a minute. Will be back before update, hopefully.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Something is bothering me;

Chaotix is able to vote and is a dead proven townie. Apparently there are only two Sith due to the rather blatant "rule of two" from the writeup. Presumably the Sith can take on more apprentices when they die, but here you have a role that is kind of similar to the "indestructible townie" Bowser role in Council of Villains, and there you had oodles of mafia and it still was kind of imbalanced in the town's favor. Other than the recruitment, and possibility of avoiding detection by investigation, I don't see a lot of advantages the Sith have. Ordinarily this would be a cause for celebration, but I don't believe Sigurd makes games that are too imbalanced, especially here where the town has greater freedom than usual to share information. The Sith have some kind of trump card, and I am bothered that I can't come up with a balancing scenario here. I can't think of a power or skill that would realistically balance the game in this situation.

A possibility of avoiding the lynch is one, but that's our main anti-mafia tool. I don't believe that's a good solution. We already saw that Beskar had that skill, and he could possibly turn Sith. Maybe that was the balancing aspect and it didn't come about. At the same time, I am seeing no progress other than a reduction of suspects. One would think that with the considerable advantages we're being afforded in terms of skills and roles, we would be doing better.

I'm missing something rather large in this equation. As it stands, one side is favored, and yet the results are skewed the other way.

[pevergreen]

Total scum post. Please lynch pevergreen.

Vote: pevergreen

y so srs?

[Subotan]

Vote:autolycus

Just to balance things out.

[naut]

Vote: Psychonaut, because I really can't believe the Sith haven't killed him yet if he's not a Sith himself.

Good theory. Except one thing:

Somewhere a member of the Jedi expedition force was meditating.
He had started his usual routine, but was suddenly overcome with peace and elevation as a presence surged into his very being. He heard a call from somewhere and followed the directions he received. The directions led to a special storage area.

This was me. And it took up my usual actions. So therefore, I could not have attacked anyone last night.

[Niklas]

Niklas has been awfully quiet this time around. White_Eyes I'm getting a bit of a bad vibe off of, but without a townie baseline of his to compare it to, I don't know whether that means anything. Therefore, vote:niklas, FoS: White_Eyes.

No, it's more, "I've played with niklas before, so I know he's quieter than usual, I don't know if White_Eyes is more scummy-feeling than usual because I haven't played with him"

This is such a blatant lie that I can't help wonder what your motives are. Let's look at the facts, shall we?
* This will be my 50th post in this thread. You have 17.
* In the last game we played together, civplayah's "Siege of Evermore", we were mafia together. You had a total of 30 posts in that thread, I had 14. I was lynched the day before you were vig'd.
* In the game we played together before that, TheForestAuro's "It's a long story", we were rival cultists. You were killed night 1, I was killed day 5. You had 9 posts, I had 11 (at CFC, the dead can't talk until the game is over).

Who is the one that is "quieter than usual" here? In fact, I would say I'm more talkative than usual in this game, much because I'm enjoying it a lot. I'm not claiming any conclusions can be drawn from that fact, or from your relative silence, even if that does make me wonder now that I've checked the facts. What I am claiming is that you calling me out for being silent is an outright and deliberate lie. As you say, you've "played with Niklas before", which means you are well aware that what you claim isn't true.

FoS: autolycus. Luckily for you I have bigger fish to fry.

I missed a couple of phases. I would have voted Greyblades anyway since he seemed very scummy to me as well.

The fact that Niklas has not been attacked and has become so quiet is bothering me as well.

Now that's a whole different beast! I've spent a very nice weekend in the company of good friends and great weather, so my computer time has been naturally limited over the past few days. Yesterday I was around some, there just wasn't a whole lot to post about, being night phase and all. I did communicate via other channels though, so it's just a matter of perception. I'm still here, just as charming and talkative as ever.

As for "has not been attacked", that's a rather strange, and in my eyes suspicious, statement. None of us alive (except Chaotix) have been attacked - why would I be a bigger target than, for instance, yourself? You have soft-claimed a power role, I have not. That's the second case of pointing fingers at me for something that would be even more applicable to the accuser (autolycus being the first case). The one I truly wonder about it Psychonaut though, who has made a hard claim of a power role, with (vague) investigative powers, yet still lives.

Vote: Centurion1 finally post again, but only after you're pointed out as not having enough posts, and should have been WOG'd by now. And on top of that, you pick one of the only players, that just replaced an inactive player that was WOG'd, and mafia have been active every phase. Very scummy!!

I also like the pressure on white_eyes, and Niklas, something is just off there.

Such as my constant hounding of you? OMGUS on me? In any case I'm glad to see you more active now.

I do agree with your assessment of Centurion1 though, I too wonder why he was not WOG'd.

Vote: Psychonaut, because I really can't believe the Sith haven't killed him yet if he's not a Sith himself.

This.

I'm missing something rather large in this equation. As it stands, one side is favored, and yet the results are skewed the other way.

This has been bothering me as well. We have had a lot of powers working in our favor, yet we (at least to my knowledge) have achieved very little in terms of actually using those powers. With only two mafia in a game with 40 players, there must be something more to it. Recruitment is one possibility, but that's very difficult to balance.

This was me. And it took up my usual actions. So therefore, I could not have attacked anyone last night.

You sound as if this was somehow an obvious conclusion, yet to me it sounds quite contrived. In fact, I'm going to call your lie.

First, we have no previous indications that being called to the holocron means forfeiting your normal actions. In fact we have quite strong indications of the contrary, through Beskar. He was called to the holocron on the same night that he investigated ATPG, which I'm sure he would gladly confirm. Psychonaut lies.

Second, you just told everyone, publically, that you have just become even more powerful than you were. With no apparent concern for your own safety, and with no real pressure on you to reveal this fact.

This is just on top of everything else that's been off about you for quite some time. It's quite clear to me that I should once again vote: Psychonaut.

Current tally:

White_eyes 4: (Chaotix, ateotes, Yaropolk, Diamondeye)
Niklas 3: (autolycus, split, Diana)
Psychonaut 2: (Choxorn, Niklas)
pevergreen 2: (Centurion1, TinCow)
autolycus 2: (ATPG, Subotan)
ATPG 1: (GeneralH)
Centurion1 1: (pever)

[naut]

You sound as if this was somehow an obvious conclusion, yet to me it sounds quite contrived. In fact, I'm going to call your lie.

First, we have no previous indications that being called to the holocron means forfeiting your normal actions. In fact we have quite strong indications of the contrary, through Beskar. He was called to the holocron on the same night that he investigated ATPG, which I'm sure he would gladly confirm. Psychonaut lies.

Second, you just told everyone, publically, that you have just become even more powerful than you were. With no apparent concern for your own safety, and with no real pressure on you to reveal this fact.

This is just on top of everything else that's been off about you for quite some time. It's quite clear to me that I should once again vote: Psychonaut.

During the night you awake suddenly and startled you find yourself in an upright position on the bunk. There was something or someone calling out to you.
You get out of the bunk and settle down on the deck in your cabin and place yourself in a meditative sitting position. As you begin the familiar thought processes which will calm you, you hear it again, but this time stronger.
You open your eyes and then the impression is gone. You close your eyes again and find the familiar yet allusive presence there. But amazingly it is this presence who calls out to you. You dare not reach out to it as you have done many times before, because it has always been out of reach. As you contemplate these feelings, despite previous experience, you do reach out to it and it is receptive. It fills you with joy and a burning sensation in your bosom and you have never felt more peace or happiness before. Tears are streaming down your cheeks as you embrace this mystic yet familiar power.
It calls out to you to go somewhere. You get up and let it lead you to a place where a Holocron sits on a dais. As you place your hands on it, a resonance vibrates in your very being. Strong emotions flow over you and you hear instructions.

Would you like some cream to go with your humble pie? Or should we lynch you? Constantly trying to lynch pro-town roles = scum.

[Niklas]

Would you like some cream to go with your humble pie?

I'm sorry but I don't feel very humble, and you just stepped in it even further.

I never questioned whether you had been called to the holocron - what I questioned was whether that in itself could serve as an alibi of any sorts. Beskar was called to the holocron, yet he could still act that same night. Many others have been called, no one has tried to use that as an alibi before you. And also, as I pointed out, you had absolutely no reason to reveal to the public that you had become more powerful. You were not under any real pressure to do so.

Now you wave a PM in my face, as if that PM is further proof of anything. Yes, it proves that you have been summoned to the holocron (on some night, I'm certainly willing to believe it was tonight), but nowhere does it say anything about overriding your normal actions, which was what I questioned. And also, since PM quoting is allowed in this game, I find it very hard to take a PM as proof of anything at all. I'm quite certain the Sith have received similar "cover PMs" to go with their cover roles. Something I'm sure you have considered as well, yet you expect us not to?

Or should we lynch you? Constantly trying to lynch pro-town roles = scum.

OMGIS! Seriously, you can do better than that. I am not trying to lynch a pro-town role - I am trying to lynch someone I very strongly believe is claiming a pro-town role, but whose words just don't add up. Yes, I realize I have a "history" with trying to have Beskar lynched, feel free to go back and review all my reasons for wanting to do so. I also realize just how much attention I'm bringing to myself by calling you out now. I could have just gone with the flow and OMGUS-voted autolycus instead, which would also have been wiser if I just wanted to lessen the pressure on myself. Instead I'm sticking my neck out, because I genuinely believe you to be a lying scum.

[TinCow]

Something is bothering me;

Chaotix is able to vote and is a dead proven townie. Apparently there are only two Sith due to the rather blatant "rule of two" from the writeup. Presumably the Sith can take on more apprentices when they die, but here you have a role that is kind of similar to the "indestructible townie" Bowser role in Council of Villains, and there you had oodles of mafia and it still was kind of imbalanced in the town's favor. Other than the recruitment, and possibility of avoiding detection by investigation, I don't see a lot of advantages the Sith have. Ordinarily this would be a cause for celebration, but I don't believe Sigurd makes games that are too imbalanced, especially here where the town has greater freedom than usual to share information. The Sith have some kind of trump card, and I am bothered that I can't come up with a balancing scenario here. I can't think of a power or skill that would realistically balance the game in this situation.

A possibility of avoiding the lynch is one, but that's our main anti-mafia tool. I don't believe that's a good solution. We already saw that Beskar had that skill, and he could possibly turn Sith. Maybe that was the balancing aspect and it didn't come about. At the same time, I am seeing no progress other than a reduction of suspects. One would think that with the considerable advantages we're being afforded in terms of skills and roles, we would be doing better.

I'm missing something rather large in this equation. As it stands, one side is favored, and yet the results are skewed the other way.

You're missing complete cover role PMs and the fact that the starting power roles are mainly dead. The power of the unlynchable pro-town post-death voter is counteracted by the fact that they cannot form a secure network by reveals. It also does not access to a full range of detectives, etc. because of the deaths of Beskar and Chaotix, who had a large number of pro-town powers.

y so srs?

Why so flippant? You post pretty frequently, proving solidly that you are paying constant attention to the game, but contribute absolutely nothing of substance. Quite the opposite actually; your posts are totally worthless, most being jokes or casual conversation. Here's a sample of your wonderful contributions:

pretty sure i did with the whole

"If you keep this network thing, i'm gonna keep going after you" or whatever i said.

lol

Oh come on! Ok, so the story is a bit lackluster. But theres only a few roles that havent been in other games. Bah! My games arent that hard to follow. Shadow Fort was harder. And jeez, don't get me started on the Castle.



Actually, bored tbh.

WoG'd in my game due to inactivity.

GH: Oh hai khaaaan
khaan: GH how are you?
GH: Absolutely not fabolous.
khaan: Ooooooooh nooooo, what happened?
GH: Andres, would you believe it, totally just tried to message me privately. I was all like 'not in this house mister!'
khaan: Ooooh that lawyer is mine now, can I get him baby?
GH: Oooh you're so hot when you're angry
khaan: I need you so much right now.

etc etc

Already said this, and he got wog'd at least 24 hours ago.

Neither did I, but you were certainly being angry enough that I don't mind that you were lynched.

wut.


OK, wow, pointless statement. Mayhaps you slipped up? I've done worse and thought it was rational while anti town.



Again, WIFOM has been pointed out and people have used it by mistake. It depends on how you are thinking when you type the post.

Do what I do. If when you come back there is more than a page (i use 80 ppp, so if you're on default, 3 pages) either just skip them or just go through and search for any mention of you.

I've been trying that strat out this game, seems to be working.

edit: actually, i don't know.

I'll be lynched/killed off in the next phase or two, as usual. Never lasted to the end of a game.

Woof.

Vote: Centurion1

Where is your god now?

Nice use of OMGUS there, completely not needed.

y so srs?

Actually, I lied... that wasn't a sample... that was ALL of your posts for the past 5 days. You're posting constantly without any substance of any kind.

[naut]

I'm sorry but I don't feel very humble, and you just stepped in it even further.

And also, as I pointed out, you had absolutely no reason to reveal to the public that you had become more powerful. You were not under any real pressure to do so.

How about I knew that if I didn't die last night it would be because the Sith still harbour hopes that they can lynch me. So... I'm trying to draw them out into the open. And you sir, have walked into my trap.

OMGIS! Seriously, you can do better than that. I am not trying to lynch a pro-town role - I am trying to lynch someone I very strongly believe is claiming a pro-town role, but whose words just don't add up.

I could have just gone with the flow and OMGUS-voted autolycus instead, which would also have been wiser if I just wanted to lessen the pressure on myself. Instead I'm sticking my neck out, because I genuinely believe you to be a lying scum.

Hollow, hollow words.

[TinCow]

Let's go back even further on pevergreen. Someone stop me if you see any contribution that would indicate ANY kind of effort towards helping the town:

Remember my big post in Mafia?

Yeah. I used to hang out in the top 5 posters. I'm working my way back up to that, hoping to reach it by the time Settlement 2 comes along, where I'll be taking the ferry over to shelbyville, because I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I had to take the ferry to morganville, which is what we called Shelbyville in those days. I had an onion tied to my belt, because it was the style at the time. We couldn't get white ones because of the war, so I had a big yellow one. Anyway, back then the ferry cost a nickel. "Gimme five bees for a quarter" you'd say.

Anyway, the important thing is that I had an onion on my belt, since it was the style at the time.

Do you have a green lightsaber?

Vote: Chaotix

Seemingly random vote straight after night ends on perhaps the most innocent person in the game.

Plus he is mafia.

That or OMGUS.

HUrrrrrrr.
/thread

Nuh uh, its how you use it.

Yeah I kinda skimmed over page 12. As per usual, didn't really read the write up.


Well...count yourself lucky chum. Cause if you were alive, I woulda got you. I woulda got you so hard, you'd be really got.

Thats just silly.

I've a good mind to go for you after Beskar.

As my favourite fictional TV character based on a real life criminal, and that I've seen the actor in person and taken a picture of with friends, Mark 'Chopper' Read says:

Settle the down. Here eat this, pretend its got kids in it or something.

Hands Beskar a Sumo Salad.

Aww here you go, have a bite of Neville Tomatos.

Vote: Beskar

What about Peter the Hutt?

Raja naba dooa goola wookie nipple pinchy

Ooooh, someone brought their grumpy pants.

Spoiled for offtopic

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

As I recall, it was 6000 men, who were assaulted by 16000 enemies and lost, so they retreated rather than take 2 years to get to any strength. Your 19000+ army stood beseiging a single province while I died. You then managed to lose to him when you outnumbered him and started losing territory, I came from behind with 12000 men, leaving my entire kingdom defenceless and took their lands, then wiped out their armies and then helped you against the second aggressors who were going around. I then made peace with them leaving you by that point, with a few thousand men vs none of theirs and 3 provinces to siege. I gifted you everything I took and you just had to fight rebels, my dear friend. 20 or so years in, you're up a number of provinces, I'm up nothing, and I'm poorer for it.

Be nice, or I'll tell all the people about how incredible you are at Europa Universalis 3.

Ok, I'll stop there... because there's no point in continuing. Those are ALL of his posts over the previous 10 days... no omissions, no edits. pevergreen has a very decent post count (42) in this game, much higher than is normal for him, but he has not made one single post of substance. He is paying a good deal of attention to this game, but is not making ANY effort to help the town. Please lynch him.

[pevergreen]

Why so flippant? You post pretty frequently, proving solidly that you are paying constant attention to the game, but contribute absolutely nothing of substance. Quite the opposite actually; your posts are totally worthless, most being jokes or casual conversation. Here's a sample of your wonderful contributions:

Actually, I lied... that wasn't a sample... that was ALL of your posts for the past 5 days. You're posting constantly without any substance of any kind.

Yup, there a problem with that?

You can hardly argue that when I play srs that I'm useful to the town. I'm not aware of any situation in which I made a decent case against anyone, let alone a mafioso.

[Kagemusha]

Oh someone decided to take both Sasaki and me out of the equation during two successive nights. Hmm who could have thought doing that.Have to think a bit about it. But right now how i feel about certain players. Psychonaut a clear lynch bait. pevergreen is just himself, basically background noice. Two players that need lot closer examination are Renata and Niklas. If you look behind they have possessed information that in Sith hands would have caused death of pro town players, which also happened. They both were driving to lynch Beskar at certain point and now Niklas is pushing for Psycho´s lynch, which seems like a obvious bate to lynch a pro town role.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I agree with lynching pevergreen.

[pevergreen]

I agree with lynching pevergreen.

You would Sithaki Kojiro