Cold war Crisis. [Concluded]

[ULC]

Wow, my orders were totally ignored - sorry, but I will not return in the next one if that is how I am to be treated.

[Beskar]

I only commented on what Greyblades sent me, sorry if yours weren't there.

If it was any consolation, mine weren't there either. (Other than attack CEDI)

[White_eyes:D]

You also realize that USA, France, Italy, East Germany, Warsaw..all dog piled you??:2thumbsup:

Doesn't matter what kind of plan you have.....you were too heavily outgunned:beam:

[ULC]

No, but I would have been effectively and extremely costly to take - I had thousands of underground trenches to take, and was prepared to use flamethrowers and tabun gas in my defense. You would have been bogged down, and no amount of air support would have helped, which is what apparently did me in. First thing we need is someone who understands modern tactics on a battlefield to do the write ups.

Second, a small yeild Cobalt/Zinc Bomb was to go off if Prague was taken - this would have effectively killed off all surface forces, which mine, and the citizens of Czechoslovakia, would have been unhampered. Czechoslovakia would have been untouchable for at least 12 months, and your armies would have been devastated, including your machinery - it would have been so heavily irradiated that it would have been worth scrap.

But of course, nothing happens - thanks Greyblades, have fun in your next game.

[ULC]

You also realize that USA, France, Italy, East Germany, Warsaw..all dog piled you??:2thumbsup:

Doesn't matter what kind of plan you have.....you were too heavily outgunned:beam:

You obviously do not know of modern tactics, ones that make it next to impossible to root out a defiant enemy, ones that bog down the US and Canada in Afghanistan. It does not matter how many men you throw at the situation I was creating - the would have just been lambs to the slaughter, and would have required decimation of the Czechoslovakian people on your part, making the whole affair scandalous and a stain on any participating members history. Second, it would have begun the hoped for end to nuclear proliferation - with such a stigma attached to it, no country could really have them and maintain a positive face to the rest of the world.

[See below post - GH]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Please refrain from bashing the host's quality of work in his own game. Regardless of how you may feel of the job he is doing, this is not the place. Consider this a friendly warning.

:bow:

[Beskar]

I did order 70 units of air. Plus the combination of NATO other than my contribution apparently was around 200-300. Then you had Warsaw powers on the otherside which was around 200. You was pretty much facing a tech 10 force (NATO) of around 300-400, plus 200 of whatever tech Warsaw is. Also, if depends on public support. How loyal are the people and would they have sacrificed their lives to you? Your generals could have simply killed you and sent out an unconditional surrender.

There were many other factors, including espionage actions I and other NATO members did.

Trenches would have done you no good. Trenches fell out of use during the end of the first world war and I doubt the whole of czechoslavokia would have been entrenched over night.

The factors involved are great.

[White_eyes:D]

Yeah...Tanks are the weapon of the modern age, what your thinking is World War one tactics or "Set piece tactics"..:bounce:

And Me, France and USA used our one-shot trade good from U.K. to disable your Cobalt bombs, since it was end-game anyway...:wink:

It was over...nothing Austria could have done to win against such odds:2thumbsup:

[Greyblades]

Ok so I've managed to get my hands on an computer in New york.
YLC, your defense wasn't mentioned in the writeup as I didnt see the point in making Beskar's job more lengthy and besides it didnt make a difference as you were fighting a ridiculous amount of troops.
You took on the world and was crushed dont whine to me because you made a boo boo. (Wow, did I realy say that? Man the heat must be getting me)
Beskar your orders were done its just that none of your targets other than YLC actually had Cobalt bombs.
Oh and WE its Czechoslovakia not austria.

[Beskar]

Oops, I meant their nuclear weapons, not Cobalt, nevermind, my bad. :beam:

For those others who are not sure what I am on about, I did orders to prevent Russia and China from using nuclear weapons this turn, just so the whole world doesn't blow up, because they decided they want to kill us all. I also sent nuclear subs off the coast of Asia, sent Troops to Turkey (make sure Centurion1 withdrew) etc.

[White_eyes:D]

Oh and WE its Czechoslovakia not austria.

I fail to see the point?:laugh4:

Czechoslovakia was not invaded by me....I only went to liberate Austria and that was it...:shrug:

I left the Czechs to Warsaw and USA:2thumbsup:

[Centurion1]

so are we going to restart the game in two weeks? Or are we going to continue where we left off.

Maybe we should restart with clearer rules and especially now that we know who would be active or not. Greyblades, i loved this game, geez i think i had like 200 posts on this thread. Any new game i would love to join. I really enjoyed playing with all you gents (yes even you white eyes :laugh4:) and even my commie tricksters to the north.

YLC Don;t be bitter bro.

Perhaps if the game is over for now we should reveal all our secrets.... i am dying to tell some things and to hear about others.

[White_eyes:D]

My Role Pm....everything else is gone...:shame:
And nothing else really happened....I had more stuff that I did when I was Turkey:juggle2:

Italy

Government Type - Parlimentay Republic

Trade Good - : Rations: Your country makes the second best rations in the world and seeing as every army marches on its stomach you and your trading partners who chose to use your rations gain a +1 bonus to morale in battle due to the men not complaininng at the quality of the food.

National Attributes

Rich heritage: The remains of the roman empire, the itallian city states. the works of da-vinchi and michaelangelo; all of Italy's pride is well deserved and as such your people will fight hard to defend it. When defending Italy the entire recruitment pool will be added to your army in the form of militia and will fight untill you push the enemy out of italy in which case they return back into the population.

Military
Battalions at the ready - 50
Recruitment Pool - 50

Offence - 7
Defence - 7
Recon - 3
Stealth - 3
Morale - 8
Tech 10 (8 when not aligned with NATO)

Secret service:
Espionage: 7
Counter: 7

Special forces:
COMSUBIN
Pretty much a regular NATO-grade Spec ops/secret service that can do minor to medium sabotage and espionage actions without much problem. You may want to coordinate with an ally to pull off a major action like sabotagin a silo, bombing an airforce base containing nuclear bombers, finding the locations of the enemies armour depots or even sabotaging the Kremlin.

[Centurion1]

Nice, that is an awesome national attribute. I unfortunately deleted mine.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I think I am going to hold back on my stuff till Greyblades says the games actually over.....

But like Centurian I had a ton of fun, and you were all great players :yes:

[Beskar]

I spoke to Greyblades a little, and suggested a system closer to how he wanted it. Though other suggestions I would have, is NPC's to do things as well, so it doesn't quite feel like PC versus NPC's most of the time.

[Death is yonder]

Special forces:
COMSUBIN
Pretty much a regular NATO-grade Spec ops/secret service that can do minor to medium sabotage and espionage actions without much problem. You may want to coordinate with an ally to pull off a major action like sabotagin a silo, bombing an airforce base containing nuclear bombers, finding the locations of the enemies armour depots or even sabotaging the Kremlin.

Uh huh, I see... interesting... :inquisitive:

I'll reveal my role pm later so you may all gawk at it, if Greyblades says that the game is over.

@YLC: I've learned that detailed answers don't really work it out... just rolls and sheer numbers.

If tactics alone won the day, China would be engulfed in a major firestorm, their governmental system cut off at his head, Russia wins a major propaganda and morale victory, their cities are burnt like a cinder, and Centurion's army would have been totally crushed by a flank attack on three sides.

Just... well... accept it :juggle2::juggle2:


You took on the world and was crushed

Even Russia doesn't do the former :bow:

[pevergreen]

Had to delete my role pm.

I got forewarning against anything coming via the berlin wall, i gave extra tech via trade (I think..CDF has it in a pm from ages back) my special forces was nothing to write home about and my tech level was 10 base.

[Beefy187]

My deletion was accidental
So I can't share mine :shame:

Besides, its not over yet is it?

[Greyblades]

@YLC: I've learned that detailed answers don't really work it out... just rolls and sheer numbers.
They did make a difference the first few turns but after awhile I found myself going into tl:dr mode and only paid attention to the order not the method on the realy long orders.

[Centurion1]

@DIY i used to give super detailed plans with individual assignments. But i gave up after awhile because they weren't really any better than saying major push here, sabotage this, blow up that, etc.

[Death is yonder]

On the first few rounds, I gave complicated orders for espionage which I spent time thinking of, to elude the target's espionage defense in question.

Now its just basically a summary.

Basically, Greyblades is looking at, go to point A, do this, boom boom, piu piu, go to point B.

Not, Go to point A, take this route, careful about this, etc etc, then go to point B, blah blah.

So, just to clarify, is the game actually over now?

[Centurion1]

On the first few rounds, I gave complicated orders for espionage which I spent time thinking of, to elude the target's espionage defense in question.

Now its just basically a summary.

Basically, Greyblades is looking at, go to point A, do this, boom boom, piu piu, go to point B.

Not, Go to point A, take this route, careful about this, etc etc, then go to point B, blah blah.

Same, not that i am complaining, the super complicated orders were annoying to write up anyway.

So yes is the game over?

[Greyblades]

I doubt that anything will change drastically enough to stop me from carrying on in 2 weeks.

[ULC]

Greyblades, I'd like to apologize now for my outburst. I know it was uncalled for, and I shouldn't have done it, and I am truly sorry, and I'll make no excuses for myself. I hope you can accept the apology.

[Beskar]

I think Greyblades probably should go for the "Cold War Crisis part 2". Basically, this thread ends, Greyblades makes his gameplay changes then re-launches it. The players in here have the option to return to their nations if they like or go for a new one, however, all the alliances/other happens still continue in the new game.

This allows new players the opportunity to join the game. Allows people to change nations if they like to, and amongst other things.

[Beskar]

https://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9181/coldwarcrisisalliegence.jpg

*Doesn't include temporary holdings.

[Greyblades]

You missed the Falklands.

[Centurion1]

I think beskar has a very good idea. I will second it (as long as i am invited back :inquisitive:) but in the end it is of course up to Greyblades our stupendous host. Maybe you could streamline the process a little to make it easier for yourself.

South Korea and Albania aren't player nations. And Albania would so be China's' close ally. They were Mao's only revolutionary ally and are very close diplomatically and economically

[White_eyes:D]

I don't know....could we have a different time line?? I really was just not feeling the Cold war stuff:help:

[Centurion1]

Why not, if we do it before nukes then everyone will be dow'ing on each other and it will be like a total war game :laugh4:. If we do it after cold war, the game will be wayyyyyy slanted to the US

[White_eyes:D]

I just don't like the "Everybody loses" scenario....:juggle2:

Fallout proved that dead wrong:2thumbsup:

[Centurion1]

I do not think anyone is quite enough of an :furious3: to do that if the game wasn't reallyyyyy close to being over. even for this last move which was supposed to be the grand finale and everyone said they would fire theirs i didn't. Really as long as you do not mention it, no one even thinks about it. We had a war between Russia and China and Britain and nothing happened.
( that war promises to be a grinder, ugh if we restart can Russia and china be at prewar locations.)

Oh and fallout was an awesome game.

[Caius]

You missed the Falklands.
Nah, he didn't. Unless you give me the chance to start war.

[Death is yonder]

https://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9181/coldwarcrisisalliegence.jpg

*Doesn't include temporary holdings.

You forgot that we totally own South Africa Now :2thumbsup:

:clown:


I do not think anyone is quite enough of an :furious3: to do that if the game wasn't reallyyyyy close to being over. even for this last move which was supposed to be the grand finale and everyone said they would fire theirs i didn't. Really as long as you do not mention it, no one even thinks about it. We had a war between Russia and China and Britain and nothing happened.
( that war promises to be a grinder, ugh if we restart can Russia and china be at prewar locations.)

Oh and fallout was an awesome game.

BOW BEFORE THE MIGHT OF THE RUSSIAN ARMADA... :devil:

If any newer game is starting, I'd probably be either : Super Inactive/Not Playing

Final Year Examinations next term.

I probably have to cut down on mafia too :bigcry:

I hope I've set the reputation of Russia for the next player.

Good luck to my successor :smash:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

In memory of Russia, let me just say


...... Jerk........ :tongue:

[Greyblades]

Ok I think I've decided, in a week this game is going to be revived and timeskip'ed by a decade, don't worry it wont be an historical one, the USA wont start off as last superpower standing I just want a new start without any wars going on. I'm not completely sure on everything that will have to be changed but I intend to switch from using newspaper reports in the writeups to things like after action reports, on sight radio transmissions and maybe black box recordings for naval engagements.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

So its still the same universe but time skipped? Good enough for me :yes:

[Greyblades]

Yeah I'm going to have to make a summary of events and figure out how the the USSR hasn't collapsed by 1992 oh and Pever's going to have to get anew country; in this timeline Germany is reunited with the ex-east Germany running it.

[White_eyes:D]

So...did China win? or Russia? or even a stalemate?:juggle2:

[Greyblades]

Stand off, each thrashed each other to a pulp but stopped fighting when India went superpower and threatened to kill both of them off if they didn't declare a draw.

[White_eyes:D]

Sweet...:bounce:

[Beskar]

That will be interesting.

Also, what about NATO influence and power? Does President Gaius Beskar end up on mount Rushmore?

I have to say, I loved role playing as him.

What about Britain? Do they rejoin NATO?

What about the NAP? Do they become a powerful 3rd party?

[Greyblades]

NATO is sitting pretty, the rest of the world has gone to hell and back and they have barely been affected. Britain was re-instated and is acting as preferred mediator between NA and Europe and Germany, although not actually part of NATO or Warsaw, is doing the same for Russia.

[Beskar]

You want to know what is hilarious? What you described is what me and Russia agreed on. Aka, unifying Germany, then making it the Mediator/neutral between the two powers.

It's nice seeing some of the game crossing over. I am really curious to how much is done.

Just a suggestion, which might be interesting. NATO splits into two.

Canada/North America/Mexico/Brazil/Cuba (something like that) are on the same side, while Europe becomes more European. The destruction of the CEDI, caused nations to actually form a European power. This contains France/Italy/Spain/Portugal/Austria/Czechoslovakia/Hungry and possibly Yugoslavokia.

The NAP falls apart, a new Asian alliance comes into play, with China/Japan/Korea sort of thing, and a Middle Eastern Faction with India, Pakastan, Iran etc.

In others words, after the events that took place, when the leaders all retired, etc, and things happened before new leaders came into play, things become more fractured.

[White_eyes:D]

I want my tech advance:beam:

Nuclear Nullification...You said it would take around ten years:deal:

[Greyblades]

@:Beskar, apart from you and canada none of the countries you suggested for the NA part of NATO would join willingly.
@:WE, I have no idea what you mean.

[Beskar]

I would argue that it is different times, different circumstances, the world is in a completely different place. :beam: But I am just throwing ideas out there.

Could I ask a favour though? Could the Temple of Solomon be rebuilt where Mecca was destroyed? It's a little touch from revelations (bible section) I would like in the game, because apparently it is the verge of Armageddon.

[White_eyes:D]

After the whole "Cobalt bomb scare" I think most nations would have one:2thumbsup:

What? you really think people are going to sit back and let leaders of nations use those things?:inquisitive: They would have come up with a way to counter them:yes:

[Greyblades]

It wouldn't really make a difference as most cant afford it and they aren't 100% effective. That and most nuker's will send enough missles to overwhelm any system you can get.

[White_eyes:D]

It just hasn't been done yet...:yes:

I once heard of a way to stop Nuclear fission altogether:smash:

The only thing that would have stopped it is....Cold War is more people, are not going out to die:shame:

But after the Cobalt bomb thing people would just hate the things and not care:2thumbsup:

[pevergreen]

in this timeline Germany is reunited with the ex-east Germany running it.

Its your game, and I respect that, but I find that absolute bullswash.

I'll pass on the sequel. I'll be in the corner with my memories of RoC and my palace made of Skittles.

[Beskar]

Not really hogwash, as the full-weight of NATO came crashing down on you.

[pevergreen]

Which I can't blame him for, but the situation E. Germany was in.

Plus why would nato install the very country they were opposed to in the first place?

I could sort of understand if they threw my government out, but kept germany under west, making it a democracy like they wanted. then just put khazaar as the elected ruler.

[Beskar]

Khazaar wanted to defect to NATO, and I spoke to Russia about making an independent united Germany as a mediator. However, secretly, Khazaar was working for us. Also, the government was a democracy, etc.

[ULC]

Khazaar wanted to defect to NATO, and I spoke to Russia about making an independent united Germany as a mediator. However, secretly, Khazaar was working for us. Also, the government was a democracy, etc.

FINALLY! A Basic explanation as to the sudden attack!

Do realize Czechoslovakia was trying to defect as well, but did not think NATO would have been very welcoming. Infact, Czechoslovakia could have played as informant to both sides, since I had your quick topics, but neglected to do so - I'm also sure you had other quicktopics too, but I smile knowing at least half of what you planned was known to me :laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

Yep....West Germany was cut out for it's warmongering ways:juggle2:

Not pretty....but that Cold War politics:no:

[Beskar]

FINALLY! A Basic explanation as to the sudden attack!

Do realize Czechoslovakia was trying to defect as well, but did not think NATO would have been very welcoming. Infact, Czechoslovakia could have played as informant to both sides, since I had your quick topics, but neglected to do so - I'm also sure you had other quicktopics too, but I smile knowing at least half of what you planned was known to me :laugh4:

Hah, Khazaar's invite came after your warmongering ways.

You want the real reason?

Slashandburn and White_Eyes:D have the itchiest trigger finger I know and what is the perfect target, a new-found power, everyone(including NPCs) hated, and threatening to blow up the world.

So I use the attack on the CEDI as part of my PR machine to get halo points, while slashandburn and white_eyes:D actually get to attack something.

Also, pevergreen made NATO look bad while I was working on it's holier than thou image.


Also, you was spot on about a couple of things. NATO really was Team America and I wouldn't have had it any other way. :beam:

[ULC]

Hah, Khazaar's invite came after your warmongering ways.

You want the real reason?

Slashandburn and White_Eyes:D have the itchiest trigger finger I know and what is the perfect target, a new-found power, everyone(including NPCs) hated, and threatening to blow up the world.

So I use the attack on the CEDI as part of my PR machine to get halo points, while slashandburn and white_eyes:D actually get to attack something.

Also, pevergreen made NATO look bad while I was working on it's holier than thou image.


Also, you was spot on about a couple of things. NATO really was Team America and I wouldn't have had it any other way. :beam:

Well - DUH, you made it rather obvious, and SnB/WE were obviously not in charge - SnB was new, and WE is mostly a follower. CDF left, and me and Pever were plotting - only you were left in NATO with any level of direction.

In any case, I'd rather play an AH from WWI.

[White_eyes:D]

I would want a world war one....I am the best at set, piece tactics...:bounce:

But I think Greyblades came up with a story over 10 years later...it sounds good:yes:

But what were you thinking YLC? why set piece tactics? Air power is way better in 1980's...and we have tanks with sloped armor that could whoop gas and flamethrowers as well:beam:

If I were you I just would have set off that bomb:laugh4:

[ULC]

I would want a world war one....I am the best at set, piece tactics...:bounce:

But I think Greyblades came up with a story over 10 years later...it sounds good:yes:

But what were you thinking YLC? why set piece tactics? Air power is way better in 1980's...and we have tanks with sloped armor that could whoop gas and flamethrowers as well:beam:

If I were you I just would have set off that bomb:laugh4:

Incomplete - wasn't the correct critical mass to douse the world, even though Czechoslovakia unto itself had all the necessary materials.

I'd have managed Russia, Europe, and parts of North Africa and Middle East - China and the US would have been for the most part untouched.

Also, my underground bunkers to insure my people lived through it were not quite complete.

[Death is yonder]

Khazaar wanted to defect to NATO, and I spoke to Russia about making an independent united Germany as a mediator. However, secretly, Khazaar was working for us. Also, the government was a democracy, etc.

Ahh, betrayal was expected :laugh4:

In the sequel, I will be playing a more minor role, so that my future inactivity will not hamper any major role.

:bow:

This was fun, holding the world at gunpoint, threatening to mobilize our armies, making China panic like mad, enough to entreat us for a diplomatic solution :bounce:

Enjoy the next game folks~ :2thumbsup:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Wait, NAP fell apart and I am back at America's feet? :furious3::furious3::furious3:

I better at least still have Africa....... Or I am going to start acting like Whiteyes :tongue:



Edit: and being cruel and mean to Britain, don't forget that Russia........ :tongue:

[Death is yonder]

Uh, just a gentle reminder...

What Africa? :bounce:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Please, you would not have had the men to dislodge me, and when the ceasefire came I sure as :furious3: would not have stopped fighting unless you withdrew.

(I would have kept up the blockade so troops could not get to the area and slowly whittled you down. Stayed on the defensive)

[Centurion1]

I am ready and waiting.

Oh and russia britain still had parts of africa and was about to crush you. Yes the blockade was a thing of genius.

[Death is yonder]

But who said our troops were there any longer?

:saint:

[Greyblades]

Which I can't blame him for, but the situation E. Germany was in.

Plus why would nato install the very country they were opposed to in the first place?

I could sort of understand if they threw my government out, but kept germany under west, making it a democracy like they wanted. then just put khazaar as the elected ruler.

It was a matter of trust; after that fiasco with the Czechs, and a certain unpopular application of the material Cobalt, East Germany was more highly regarded than you by everyone even Nato, so as long as they left Warsaw East Germany's government was allowed to run the country.
Or at least that's what I'm thinking of doing.

[Centurion1]

because it said in write up all your troops were blockaded. Oh and the british only took back some land

[Caius]

Will I be able to take part from it?

[Khazaar]

Just for the record. I was betrayed, not the other way round. I always found it suspicious that Tschecheslovakia was allowed to control both hungary and poland basically isolating me from Russia. And the withdrawal of the Russian troops that were supposed to defend me lead me to the conclusion that Russia willingly abandoned Europe to concentrate on Asia. So I was betrayed by two warsaw pact members.

And I still have a lot of dirt on W. Germany. The crazy deals that he offered me to get me to go neutral, including attacking the nato troops that would try to liberate Austria.

In my version of the next move both leading Governments of Germany would have been put on trial for Warcrimes and the opposition would have created a new unified German Government.

[pevergreen]

Hey, I'm good with that. :laugh4:

I made lots of crazy deals to everyone, including telling america to shove off in the first turn.

[Centurion1]

I didn't want to say anything during the game because it would have really screwed up the balance in game but Japan is not a member of NATO...

[Beskar]

they were apparently invited in by Caius.

[ULC]

Yes, they were, and with the new definition for NATO (North American Treachery Organization), they can apply without any logical hang ups.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I had so many long term goals that never ended up happening...... :no: I should have bombed the Kremlin earlier on..... (never did finish that tunnel under Moscow..... never had enough espionage actions) and my fleet of newly constructed Subs were not completed fast enough to destroy Russia's invasion fleet. I KNEW it was going to happen, just not when.... I thought I could blow up the Mulberry harbors and other Naval tech Russia was making when I got back from camp and such.


USA was annoying with their whole "lets mess with Britain cause he does not want to grovel to us" plan :laugh4::laugh4: but it was fun to have some real conflict (no offense to NATO, I would have done the same). I stayed friendly with Japan, Like to think we were buds. But other than that I had few friends in NATO, :2thumbsup: fun times.

[Beskar]

YLC, you know full-well that NATO doesn't mean that, it means:
North Americas' Team Organisation.

[Centurion1]

Greyblades must almost be back now. I am so ready to bring the game back. Especially with Russia not DIY......

So who else is going to play in the sequel?

[Death is yonder]

Greyblades must almost be back now. I am so ready to bring the game back. Especially with Russia not DIY......

So who else is going to play in the sequel?

Looks like someone is pretty sore about me invading them :bounce:

:clown:

Too much power in my pretty little hands... :devil:

[Centurion1]

Exactly, the worst part is i knew it was coming but no one listened to me........

I had intel man..

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I am here for the sequel, you know it!

[Captain Blackadder]

I am here for the sequal my lack of internet for longer then expected was the reason I wans't here and had to be replaced.

[Greyblades]

Hey, just reporting in to say I'm sorry I havent been online for the last week but finding a computer in accokeek that can use the internet is a real hastle.

[Centurion1]

cool, i can imagine........

So when do you think you will start the "sequel"

[Greyblades]

Well first I should probably decide on how long this proposed time skip will be. I'm leaning towards 10 years but I think it would be better if you lot decide how long it is.

Ok then Im going to put it down as a vote you can choose: 1987, 1992 or 2002.

[White_eyes:D]

I Vote:1992:2thumbsup:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

1992 sounds good to me. :yes:

[Beskar]

Best thing about the 1990's against Britain, use fire-bombs, everyone wore Shell suits which catch fire very easy and they turn into human torches.

[Greyblades]

I'm going to do a timeline of the 5 years after the end of the game to give you an idea of what's changed while the date of the sequel is being decided.

[Death is yonder]

I'm okay with either timelines.

Greyblades, you should really discourage war, and give bigger penalties, although it depends on the orientation of your game set up. Realistically speaking, the later the timelines, the higher the international condemnation, and hence, reaction. Thus, America or whoever is going to really need a very good reason to even step foot in another country.

I'll be taking on a more minor role this time :smash:

And no, the 2nd paragraph is not related to the above statement :clown:

[Centurion1]

I vote 1992

Interested to see that timeline...

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I'm okay with either timelines.

Greyblades, you should really discourage war, and give bigger penalties, although it depends on the orientation of your game set up. Realistically speaking, the later the timelines, the higher the international condemnation, and hence, reaction. Thus, America or whoever is going to really need a very good reason to even step foot in another country.

I'll be taking on a more minor role this time :smash:

And no, the 2nd paragraph is not related to the above statement :clown:

Yes, no massive invasion of China and Britain at the same time...... :laugh4::laugh4:

You played a good game Russia, I will give you that.

[Centurion1]

Aye well played game russia. if only i could have reached moscow.....

[Greyblades]

I'm okay with either timelines.

Greyblades, you should really discourage war, and give bigger penalties, although it depends on the orientation of your game set up. Realistically speaking, the later the timelines, the higher the international condemnation, and hence, reaction. Thus, America or whoever is going to really need a very good reason to even step foot in another country.


Realy? I would think that seeing the west Germans and czechs getting crushed within a month of attacking a bystander would be enough of a deterant for anyone looking for war.

[Beskar]

DIY, your comment is very ill-informed. As you played the USSR.

A smaller nation going to war was suicide. With the Iraq incident, the whole middle east was trying to invade me.

On the other hand, your nation invaded another player nation. The NPC reacts far more than human players.

I think the NPC system needs to be developed more though. NPC's would have formed their own mini-factions, and I think in the next game, there are tons of mini-alliances/factions taking part and PC's can inherit mini-factions if they take member countries within, them for example.

[Greyblades]

It wasnt so much the alliances that dragged the NPC's into those wars more that I make the NPC's very violent to people who attack bystanders unprovoked.

[Caius]

I'll be taking on a more minor role this time
I would like to take on another country with less participation.

[Greyblades]

Portugal canada or indonesia?

[Caius]

Canada for me.

[Greyblades]

I dont think theres been much that has changed canada between 1980 and 1990 so I think I can pull off just modifying roadkill's role PM. One second.

[Caius]

Are we starting soon Greyblades?

[Death is yonder]

I'm just saying that, the game seems to become just centered to "planning the next hit".



I think the NPC system needs to be developed more though. NPC's would have formed their own mini-factions, and I think in the next game, there are tons of mini-alliances/factions taking part and PC's can inherit mini-factions if they take member countries within, them for example.

That is the main gist of it.

Simply put, if Greyblades had a whole ton of players for the game (though that creates a ton of work too), the game would become more diversified.



A smaller nation going to war was suicide. With the Iraq incident, the whole middle east was trying to invade me.

On the other hand, your nation invaded another player nation. The NPC reacts far more than human players.

If there were more humans to back each other up, then the NPCs would presumably be toned down. Greyblades is attempting to replicate the effect of lots of human players, with counterstrike a viable option at hand as long as the reasoning is "logical" so to speak. Thus this is why the smaller countries suffer. If Russia invaded the Middle East, sure, some would fight back, but there would be a large group of people who wouldn't want to commit suicide, so to speak. On the other hand, if a smaller country invaded another, they would protect their interest, and they wouldn't be so averse to fighting back entirely, because they stand a good chance of winning. So yes, as Russia, my comment is rather ill informed, after all, I could strike with practical impunity :bounce:

Edit: I'll take a country with a moderate role this time, perhaps not a super power :bow:

[Caius]

We could give ideas, like if Cuba was invaded by Mexico or Brazil by Paraguay, Uruguay Argentina and other South American countries. To diversify the fields.

[Greyblades]

Are we starting soon Greyblades?

I don't know, I'm supposedly going to stream line the rules, but as far as I can see this all I realy need to do is have a reboot without all the confusion that occured when we started the first game.

[Caius]

Also, how will the NPC system will work? Will there be rebellions?

[Greyblades]

Same as last they wont do much outside of historical actions unless a player decides to interact with them.

[Beskar]

It is an alternative time-line, I don't think historical actions would occur, or if they occurred, they might have occurred differently. This is why I am waiting, in many regards to the changes and time-line of what did occur afterwards. Though if you want ideas, always willing to provide some.

For pure example, it could have been a time-line where Germany did not invade Russia, that in itself, would have produced remarkably differences. As when the American's gone to work, they would have been facing the full forces of Germany and could have been repelled/defeated, or it when into a big bloody battle and the Russia just steam rolled all of Europe.

I think you should really make this game your own. Then you are not constricted by "historical events" and can have fun with it.

[Greyblades]

...stupid alternative realities. Ok then they will remain docile untill bothered by a player... or the game gets boring enough for me to start meddling whichever comes first.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I can't wait to see what happened during the ten years. :yes:, Though I am not to thrilled that NAP fell apart.

[Beskar]

I would like the NAP gone into two direction. A Middle-Eastern Coalition of sorts between India/Pakistan/Iran, and possibly an Asian-Coalition with China and some of the surrounding nations. Or possibly, them together underneath the NAP, which obviously gets renamed.

[White_eyes:D]

I am thinking some areas should belong to different factions...It well help to create conflict:bounce:

[Greyblades]

I'm getting rid of the NAP for one reason: India has gone nuclear in the timeskip. I cant have the game starting out with one side having the huge advantage of having two superpowers.

[White_eyes:D]

Whose number of troops would have went up, in the time skip?:book:

Clearly, India has done well for itself....:juggle2:

[Greyblades]

Well seeing as its pretty much the second or third largest producer of goods in the world, yes its done well for itself. From what I understand the only reason the real india hasn't taken over pakistan is the threat of nukes.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

well, if I haven't lost Africa :whip: my troops should be up. hopefully I accomplished my aims of Modernizing Its Infrastructure and turning it into a loyal and prosperous member of the UK.


Also Greyblades, I have a question. Is Britain considered a superpower? I was assuming yes, but when you said I only had 2 espionage actions I assumed I was just a wealthy prosperous state with nukes.


India ability kicked in then, which is good. He was one of my earliest allies, although when I learned about the NAP I wondered :tongue:.


Well I guess I have to patch up relations with the USA now.......


It was a great game Greyblades, Should be fun to start over again.

[Centurion1]

China i hope has not been weakened to much in its war with the russians.....

[Greyblades]

Also Greyblades, I have a question. Is Britain considered a superpower? I was assuming yes, but when you said I only had 2 espionage actions I assumed I was just a wealthy prosperous state with nukes.

Britain is an ex superpower (A pretty underapreciated one at that but thats just my opinion. What did the Romans do that we didnt do 10X bigger?) right now its just a small influential country that is lacking in numbers more than anything else.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Cool. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: ( I know what you mean about under appreciated...... :mean: Even in this game they are treated that way.... *Russia*. But our influence shall return...... somehow....... :help: what do I do! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:)

[Caius]

Britain is an ex superpower (A pretty underapreciated one at that but thats just my opinion. What did the Romans do that we didnt do 10X bigger?) right now its just a small influential country that is lacking in numbers more than anything else.
Thank God Britain is not a boat because that statement could have sink Britain.

[Greyblades]

Which one? The gripe about the empire or the low numbers thing?

[Caius]

Which one? The gripe about the empire or the low numbers thing?
The Low numbers.

[Greyblades]

Well seeing as he's back in NATO he's got a bunch of freinds with big sticks who in theory will come to the rescue if anyone tries anything. That and his millitary wasn't exactly weak to begin with.

[Centurion1]

Thank God Britain is not a boat because that statement could have sink Britain.

Who knows how things have changed in this new timeline.......


When will that timeline be done by the way?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Well seeing as he's back in NATO he's got a bunch of freinds with big sticks who in theory will come to the rescue if anyone tries anything. That and his millitary wasn't exactly weak to begin with.

Yeah, we are quite capable of taking care of business ourselves thank you. :2thumbsup: :laugh4:

[Greyblades]

Who knows how things have changed in this new timeline.......


When will that timeline be done by the way?

Tommorrow, I hope. right now I'm suffering severe jet lag and I dont want to do something that will send me to sleep too early or I'll end up waking up at 5 in the morning.

[Centurion1]

Hmm, so you happy to be back in essex and out of the american wilderness.:clown:

[Greyblades]

It feels realy weird being home when I'd gotten used to the loaned house in the woods. I wont miss the heat though, or the hornets.

[Centurion1]

And you were in new england.... Imagine the heat in the south.

[Greyblades]

Ok this post will be the one with the time line, I'll update it every few hours as I'm trying to get the situation of the last game into the setting for the new game without peeving off too many people.

October-December 1981: The Sino-Russian war rages on chinese advance into eastern russia is halted as most of the troops were sent to try to evict the russian invasion of the southern Chinese coast. The Chinese troops sent to attack Moscow arrive and a war of attrition is fought in its streets as the russians cut them off from the middle east supply depots.

A british sleeper cell in moscow becomes active and detonates a 300KT bomb under the west wing of the kremlin. No-one was hurt and very little important was destroyed however as the entire facility had been evacuated to lenningrad when china attacked. The newly restored British army attacks the blockaded Russians. They take most of the western half of south africa and Russian and British squadrons engage around the Cape of Good Hope, each trying to cut off the others supply lines.

Czechoslovakia and West germany surrenders to their respective former allies.
The west german government is forcebly retired and the replacements are staunch NATO supporters only.
Warsaw is more harsh in its punishment; the czechoslovakian politicians are executed and half of its land and civillians are absorbed into the neigbouring countries.

Result: Sino-Russian war is stagnating and the British are slowly pushing the Russians out of South africa. Czechoslovakia has been castrated and the occuping NATO forces are still sitting in West Germany.

1982:

Chinese take moscow in May and turn it into a Fortress; Mines, hidden anti-tank troops, machine gun turrets etc are deployed. Russians in response sit their armies outside the city and make fake attacks and slowly trick the besiged chinese into wasting most of the ammunition. Chinese forces try multiple times to raid the russian countryside for food and russian depots for ammo and fuel but are dismayed as the russians have harvested and burned nearby farms and that any russian ordinance they find are unuseable with Chinese firearms. When the Russians truely attack in November they find that a quarter of the army has starved and over three quarters of the remainders had allready fled the city into the countryside some time ago mainly during the attempted farm raids.

Iran and Pakistan after being Embargo'd along with the rest of the NAP by russia joins in the war on china's side in Febuary and they kick the Russians out of southern china freeing the remaining Chinese to start the northern offensive anew. The war in South Africa ended after the Russians withdraw their troops to help fend off the new combatants and Britain reclaimed the country. Just like history the Argentinians invaded the falkland islands in April 1982 and like history the were driven off. Unlike history however an allready enraged Britain decided to send the Argentinian sea trade back 3 Millennia by bombing and shelling every port in the Argentinan coast. They did such a thorough job that the american astronauts said they were able to see the craters from space.


1983:

At the start of the year Iran, Pakistan and China renewed the northern war and pushed the Russian forces further back to the point that mongolia was completely encircled by the Chinese. The anti MEC, now Anti NAP, were brought into the war in May by promises of high grade weapons from russia and the middle eastern war restarted with the Egyptian, Arabian and Syrian armies moving into the lands previously occupied by the chinese troops sent to moscow. This act forced Iran and Pakistan to withdraw from China removing their numerical advantage and moving the Northern line back south.

After America threatened that they would join in on the side of China if they resisted, Russia was forced to withdraw all claims on east germany and let it rejoin with the West to form a Central Germany under NATO's jurisdiction. It is unknown if it the Warsaw pact will accept it in the long run but as the Americans were quick to point out; "those Russian sucker's cant do a thing about it".

1984:

A deadly chapter in the Sino-Russian war started. The United kingdom invaded the Russian controled Sakhalin island opening a third front. Due to Russia allready being overstretched as it is warsaw was called into the war and polish, hungarian romanian and the small amount of czechoslovakian troops were deployed to the front lines and entered a war of attrition as warsaw and the Royal navy battled over the arctic islands with many ships and troops on both sides being lost to not only the enemy but the cold.

...thats it thats all I have for this year... writers block sucks.

1985: There have been many powers over the years. Many have risen many have fallen but few have ever made the effort to become a superpower. In the last 5 years the power that is known as india has made such an effort and has now risen to be the 5th World Superpower its economy had exploded and its industry had boomed its nuclear program has been sucessfull and it after 5 years of work it has become one of the big boys. Both the NAP and the Warsaw pact had weakened after 3 and 1/2 years of non stop violence and it has left them bloodied and destitute. Fighting a seemingly never ending standoff has taken its toll and when on 1985 India declared its demands that both sides will stand down and restore things to the status quo the war or be destroyed they had no choice but to count their blessings and declare a draw.

The war between Warsaw and China's allies have ended. The United kingdom and the Middle east coalition, relatively unharmed by war in comparison to the others, were not perturbed by the threats of the subcontinent and only declared peace after India forced the Chinese to restore the lands taken in the Middle east and the Russians to surrender Sahkalin, Severny and Yuzhny Islands to the royal Navy. Seeing the British takeover of stratiegic posictions in the arctic the Americans offered Britain its old position in Nato in exchange for the permission to position Air and Naval bases on them. Seeing as the USSR would most likely try to destroy the United kingdom if they didnt have a powerfull ally when Russia's strength was restored, Britain accepted the alliance.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: I am so glad I got to blow up at least a little bit of the Kremlin. (I was so disappointed I might not blow it up....) :laugh4::laugh4: Even if no one was hurt I still feel like its a victory.


EAT IT RUSSIA!!!!

[Greyblades]

I've updated the timeline.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

..... They probably had it coming. In real life Britain did not want to piss off anyone in the Falkland wars, but now with Russia already attacking whats the point in holding back?

:sweatdrop: I can already tell things are going to go south though.

Plus with Russia in this war they would need to use all available troops to guard Britain and South africa. There was no time to stage a normal land war. Argentina just made a bad decision at the wrong time. (Very well thought out Greyblades, simply brilliant thought going into these moves. :2thumbsup: your awesome)

[Beskar]

I am wondering what happened to Gaius Beskar. He wouldn't have just stayed on the side-lines completely.

[Greyblades]

I'll go into that in a later update but realy the americans can pretty much sit on the sidelines and watch their rivals kill eachother without raising a finger.

[Centurion1]

Hee Hee so NAP is not quite dead yet. eat it russia my alternative future is better than yours..... So basically Britain and china are at normal pre war regions with a little bit of the eastern russia thrown in. thank you pakistan and india.


Oh and greyblades what about that little plan i had with my northern ally.... did it ever go into effect.

[Greyblades]

Northern ally?

[Beskar]

I think he is talking about Mongolia. Please spin it, so Ghenis Khaan rose from the ashes and invaded the Steppes.

[Greyblades]

May I remind you that orders dont matter here, I know the outcome I need to start the next game and I'm making stuff up now to set it all up.

[Centurion1]

neever mind. And no it was not mongolia. so how you are going to have ten more entries on the timeline?

[Greyblades]

Not realy, the wars will wrap up in afew years and the only thing I will have to do is political things like how Britain comes back into NATO, how Germany is reunited and how the USSR doesnt collapse from bankruptcy in the mean time.

[Beskar]

Maybe the USSR takes a China approach and reform the economy, before they reform the politics?

[Centurion1]

Hopefully china and russia will not be in a cold war or anything. how about DIY dies or reties and the new president causes peace so they were not too weakened in fear of america. Of course after china is slightly enlarged.. :sweatdrop:

[Greyblades]

I've allready decided how the war ends, though thank you for your suggestions.

[Beskar]

hahaha, I hope it didn't end like that. I think Russia should basically crush the NAP in a massive way. Mostly China and Britain, probably to some cost to self, possibly something like secretly planted nuclear weapons which goes BOOM!

This forces NATO to get involved which goes, making some what peace of the area. In the style of 28 weeks later, America comes in repopulating and rebuilding Britain as a nation (thus it coming part of NATO again), due to instability in both China and Russia, they end up doing a ceasefire, as they attend to internal matters and end up signing a white peace several years later.

Europe becomes more of a major power in-itself, causing NATO to split into two. American part and European part. This weakens NATO enough balance reasons.

India in being basically the number one in production helps China rebuild a lot, and from this, becomes very rich and powerful.

[Greyblades]

I'm not spliting NATO and niether russia or china has enough force to end the war in that sort of way without allmost completly being demoloshed in the process.

[Beskar]

Never said split, possibly weakened. I am not sure how you are going to do it, but I think at the moment, NATO could take on both China and Russia together and mostly likely win.

[Death is yonder]

Hopefully china and russia will not be in a cold war or anything. how about DIY dies or reties and the new president causes peace so they were not too weakened in fear of america. Of course after china is slightly enlarged.. :sweatdrop:

Surely, death is not yonder for us :clown:

Well, at the very least, I caused amusement and mass panic and many backroom deals :2thumbsup:

And that was one country... imagine if the full might of the Warsaw Pact was geared against you.

:smash:

[White_eyes:D]

I hate to say it.....but you were horrible in holding WARSAW together....NATO had to come and clean up that mess:no:

[Death is yonder]

It didn't exactly help with most of them going for power plays on their own agendas.

:bow:

Or being inactive :stare:

[Greyblades]

Thats mainly because russia didn't need to call in those particular reserves yet at that point in the war.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

hahaha, I hope it didn't end like that. I think Russia should basically crush the NAP in a massive way. Mostly China and Britain, probably to some cost to self, possibly something like secretly planted nuclear weapons which goes BOOM!

This forces NATO to get involved which goes, making some what peace of the area. In the style of 28 weeks later, America comes in repopulating and rebuilding Britain as a nation (thus it coming part of NATO again), due to instability in both China and Russia, they end up doing a ceasefire, as they attend to internal matters and end up signing a white peace several years later.

Europe becomes more of a major power in-itself, causing NATO to split into two. American part and European part. This weakens NATO enough balance reasons.

India in being basically the number one in production helps China rebuild a lot, and from this, becomes very rich and powerful.


:inquisitive: very unbiased :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:


Something bad is going to happen to NAP, that much is for sure, but if it ends up with Britain repopulated by yanks I think I will pass. (bit to out there for me) :shrug:, Maybe take Israel.

I am waiting to see what cataclysmic event happens, I am sure Greyblades has something interesting.

[Greyblades]

Freaking jet lag, timeline's updated but I think its at worse quality than the last one.

[Too close to the original - GH]

[Centurion1]

i didn't use any other members of nap either. Only britain and they had their own war to fight

[Centurion1]

dude, i hate the middle east. Is britain done with the south african war yet.....

[Greyblades]

Russia withdrew in 1982, Britain lost interest after the Argentinians attacked them.

[Centurion1]

so basically it me and russia one on one again and the middle east against pakistan and india.

[Greyblades]

It's Pakistan and Iran but yeah.

[Centurion1]

What about india??? They were NAP and a player nation?

[Caius]

Russia withdrew in 1982, Britain lost interest after the Argentinians attacked them.

So the Islas Malvinas are Argentinian, right?

[Greyblades]

The what? Britain bombed and shelled Argentina they didnt take any of their islands.

[Caius]

The what? Britain bombed and shelled Argentina they didnt take any of their islands.
What? Are you saying that Britain invaded Argentina?

[Greyblades]

Ok stop right there; have you actually read the Timeline?

[Beskar]

https://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/brokein2/scum.jpg

[Centurion1]

^ Someone plays way too much oblivion......

I hope china isn't relegated to minor status after this all ends. We didn't start the stupid war.

[Beskar]

I google image searched the picture, but the it was the first thing that came to mind, when I started to read Greyblades' post.

[Centurion1]

Gah, so many memories of stealing like a spoon accidentally and getting sent to jail.......

So when is the next update coming Greyblades. oh and the writing in the last one was fine, i didn't find anything wrong with it.

[Greyblades]

Tommorrow I was awake for 36 hours straight last saturday-sunday so it slow going right now.

[Greyblades]

I'm sorry I've failed to add more to the Time line today but something I dont realy want to go into has left me in a mood and I fear that if I tried to write anything it would end in me writeing an equivilent of "rocks fall everyone dies horribley".

I wonder what thats says about me that my 2000ths post is an apology.

[White_eyes:D]

I fear that if I tried to write anything it would end in me writeing an equivilent of "rocks fall everyone dies horribly".

The nukes fell and the world became Fall out as it is in the games.....THE END:bounce:

Take a break:book:..no need to rush:bow:

[Greyblades]

Writers block sucks but... next update's done I guess.

[Caius]

Writers block sucks but... next update's done I guess.
Glad to know.

[Greyblades]

1985 is done.

[Beskar]

Its amazing to imagine that India threatened both Russia and China.

[Greyblades]

Russia and china were pretty much on their last legs, if they had continued sooner or later the only thing either side would have left were nukes which India, or anyone else for that matter, didnt want used.

[Death is yonder]

Well... by 1991 we were pretty much in a huge budget deficit, massive inflation... and big political issues.

Thought I'd like to have Russia go out in a bang ~D

[Greyblades]

Well mostly I wanted a dramatic way of introducing the forth (or is it fith?) superpower into the game.

[Beskar]

You should make united Germany into one.

[ULC]

Can someone give me a link to these updates - can't seem to find them :dizzy2:

[Caius]

Can someone give me a link to these updates - can't seem to find them :dizzy2:
I think that the updates have not been posted yet.

[Beskar]

They are here -
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2325792&postcount=1629

[A Very Super Market]

Greyblades, I would be willing to play in the next iteration of this, but not as Somalia. Perhaps it could be a really active NPC? From the last game, it didn't take much to totally destroy it, and the lack of proof of my own responsibility didn't do much to deter invasion.

[Centurion1]

I hate russia, the flipping indians told me what to do. i am going to go kill myself in shame. india is supposed to be the up and comer that is always slightly worse than china...... I hate alternative history

[Greyblades]

Its not all bad, you still have Bhutan and Iran and Pakistan are also still your allies.

[White_eyes:D]

Not bad.....but did TheFlax do any of those changes??:inquisitive:

As far as I recall....was hardly playing:shrug:

[Greyblades]

The flax? It was Zim playing india.

[White_eyes:D]

Even worse:furious3:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Even worse:furious3:

??? Zim was quite active, not sure what game you were playing.... :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

??? I think I sent in more orders then he did..:book:

[Centurion1]

Oh yeah i got BHUTAN. Plus Flax quit and Iran isn't player anymore. so its is really just me.

Nah, just more of a challenge. I guarantee i won't be alone for long.....

[Greyblades]

OK I think I have allmost everything sorted now I'm giving Khazzar Germany, Pever Poland, and, if he wants it, YLC will get russia.

[ULC]

OK I think I have allmost everything sorted now I'm giving Khazzar Germany, Pever Poland, and, if he wants it, YLC will get russia.

Hoorah! Hoorah! HOOOOORRRAAAAHHH!!!!

Um...yeah...to much "War" and WaW :laugh4::sweatdrop:

[Centurion1]

Hey ylc lets be friends........

so i liked the last update. well as a player i didn't like it of course, but as a reader i enjoyed it.

[ULC]

Hey ylc lets be friends........

so i liked the last update. well as a player i didn't like it of course, but as a reader i enjoyed it.

Where are these updates?! Russia wishes to know.

[Centurion1]

im not telling unless you ask nicely, meanie

[Captain Blackadder]

Could I have France again I promise i wont dissappear this time around.

[Greyblades]

That depends, if Slashandburn doesn't want to carry on or want's a different country then yes, otherwise I don't want to kick a guy out against his will when he's done nothing wrong and has been active.

[slashandburn]

If I can get US then that's fine.

[Centurion1]

beskar has america.

Why don't some of the nap nations get some players. hint iran and pakistan. Definitely pakis cause they need to be the nuclear off setter to india....

[Beskar]

I will go any powerful-ish nation. I can pull off that better then being a weak one.

[Greyblades]

Beskar allready has the USA and thats how it will stay if he wants it to.

[Centurion1]

how bout pakistan they have nukes and a pretty good military by 1992. Plus you owe me for leaving as iran (not your fault, i know)

[Death is yonder]

Semi Superpower, or Moderate Power please.

:bow:

Something like Canada would be fine :bow:

[Beskar]

Haha, I am not sure if I should be the USA, if you are Canada! :P

[Greyblades]

:sigh: you guys dont seem to understand the phrase "its your choice". Beskar doesnt have to leave the USA and DIY can have any non claimed country he wants.

[Death is yonder]

Its just that I think I should play a more minor role this time since my activity is going to be somewhat lacking in the following weeks.

Which is why I'm not continuing on as Russia.

[Centurion1]

how about some more non aligned nations. everyone is just joining nato now

[Greyblades]

Personally I dont want to make a new role PM from scratch so DIY you have a choice between canada, portugal, the remains of czechoslovakia and indonesia.

[slashandburn]

I'm france then.

[Centurion1]

why can't diy have iran and pakistan

[White_eyes:D]

It's up to DIY:shrug:

Personally, Russia is weakened after that war....I would count my blessings on that fact:wink:

[Centurion1]

i didn't mean to demand he does. i was just wondering if the two spots were still open because the players have either switched or all out left the game

[Greyblades]

Oh right he can have a chice of those two aswell.

[Centurion1]

So how is the next update coming????

Maybe if you have writers block you could do a two year write up and just condense things slightly.

[Greyblades]

Huh oh wait I had forgotten I was doing a vote on how long the timeskip is but I got distracted.
I may as well start it up again so vote 5, 10 or 20, vote ends this time tommorow.

[Centurion1]

ten not too long or too short.

[GeneralHankerchief]

As a request, can a new thread be made once the sequel starts?

[Greyblades]

Yes but it could take afew days.

[slashandburn]

10 sounds good.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I say 10. :yes:

[White_eyes:D]

Didn't we already decide for a 10 year skip??:dizzy2:

[Greyblades]

Last time only like 2 people voted.
AVSM I'm giving you pakistan, I've still got to come up with the Polish role PM but I think I'm ready to open the new thread. Oh and just so you know my extended summer holiday between my GCSE's (end of secondary school exams) and the start of college is over so I'm not going to be spending as much time on this game as I usualy did.

[Death is yonder]

No worries... my end year starts in 4 weeks give or take.

We'll just all be considerate and send in more to the point orders, now that we have an idea of what you expect :bow:

[Centurion1]

yeah i will send in more basic orders. i am starting school, between football and like 6 ap's i don;t have too much time either.

[slashandburn]

Is the second one going to start soon?

[Greyblades]

Mmm? Oh right sorry I've been abit lazy, I'm going to open the thread. I Should have all the material together by tommorrow so untill then dont post on it.