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vote:Abstain I'll probably change this later when I have more time. :yes:
pevergreen
10-12-2009, 04:03
FYI, pevergreen was the fourth person in the ATPG vig hit. However, I don't think Louis was the one who killed him. This time the blunderbuss killer was described as having some sort of glowing eyes. That seems like a special role to me, not a First Officer kill.
Why didn't you rat me out last round?
If it was louis, and he is pro town, he may have made a good move.
Why didn't you rat me out last round?
Sorry, I interpreted your previous couple posts as desiring to talk about that but being unable to do so due to being dead and it not having been revealed. I thought I was doing you a favor.
Diana Abnoba
10-12-2009, 04:52
Killed by a vig group! You guys are not townies in that vig group. You keep killing other townies, like myself. You all must go. This is where some of the mafia are hiding, town.
To General, thanks for putting my made up character, in the write up. At least it made it more fun for me, to read about my death.
Good luck town! Get them mafia scum! :whip:
pevergreen
10-12-2009, 05:08
Sorry, I interpreted your previous couple posts as desiring to talk about that but being unable to do so due to being dead and it not having been revealed. I thought I was doing you a favor.
You did, :bow:.
I just couldn't believe you guys weren't saying who I was...what was the reason for not revealing me last round?
It is actually a fact there was British co-operation with the vigilante hit on Diana Abnoba. Also, the reason me and Diana were both hit was not by concidence either, it was organised by those same people.
Vigilante group, step forward and come clean, if there is a townie amongst you.
Death is yonder
10-12-2009, 07:19
Cut me some slack, because our former Quartermaster Sigurd did turn out to be a dirty rotten Maven traitor, after all.
Aye, looks like the cap'n be deserving of some temporary slack.
Vote:Abstain
:book:
:wall:
https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo293/joshball2000/gar-1.gif This is all so confusing.
Vote: Abstain for now
a completely inoffensive name
10-12-2009, 07:45
I will have time to read and vote after I get back from school tomorrow so I will postpone making a decision until then.
I want to know why 3 people were inactive last night, while they were assigned to protection groups, if they don't speak up, I am going to vote for one of them.
So if you was inactive last night, you better speak up, incase I am referring to you.
CountArach
10-12-2009, 09:03
FoS: Everyone who is abstaining
Avoiding making enemies until a bandwagon forms, etc. I'm going to go over the threada little later and see what I can come up with then.
Vote: Death is Yonder
The breeze in the rigging.
The smell of rum, 'n' vomit and stale biscuits.
And I'll point my dimpled, salt wrinkled finger.
You did, :bow:.
I just couldn't believe you guys weren't saying who I was...what was the reason for not revealing me last round?
I considered you an ally against ATPG, who I still want removed from office.
Are you guys just waiting for your captain to tell you who will be the lynch of the day?
CountArach
10-12-2009, 14:28
Vote: Chaotix
Looking back over his posts it seems he has simply been refusing to make any enemies and is going with the flow. We start here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2346637#post2346637) where he joins the Lord Winter bandwagon for no reason at all and then, when it becomes apparent that Lord Winter isn’t going to be lynched, he moves (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2346699#post2346699) to the Sigurd bandwagon, again without any reasoning at all.
Following this, we then get this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2349154#post2349154) post from Chaotix where he says a lot, but absolutely nothing at all and makes a random pressure vote whilst ignoring the major lynch targets. Then he throws in the following [frankly, quite bizarre] suggestion:
We can force ATPG and Andres to leave the boat tonight. Then they won't be recruited, and they will still be townie, irrevocably. Win-win situation. If they don't leave within two phases, then we assume they are converted and lynch them. Easy as pie.
So he advocates the killing of two people if they don’t leave, which would make sense if he somehow knew they weren’t on his side... The town gains nothing from the wanton killing of townies and to advocate otherwise is lunacy.
In the next day phase we get a vote for mutiny here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2350748#post2350748) with no apparent reasoning and perhaps a wanton misunderstanding of what the special abilities of the Captain-appointed roles are. This post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2350755#post2350755), put up only shortly after the above one serves to sow disunity amongst the town. He ignores the fact that CR, by becoming Captain, would have made himself the prime target of every detective in the game. Finally, he retracted (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2350865#post2350865) his vote for mutiny 4 hours later, saying:
Now let's stop this bandwagon on pevergreen and go for a better target. pever is, in all likelihood, still a townie. The mafia are definitely too afraid to mutiny and draw attention to themselves.
Trying to stop a bandwagon after already being involved in one earlier is hypocritical, but that’s not a huge thing. The last sentence seems strange however and smells like an attempt to make it seem he was trying to set a trap for the mafia to vote with him for mutiny. Further, he voted for ricera (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2350877#post2350877) without any real explanation.
When you add to that his recent abstention (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2352064#post2352064) you get the sense that he is simply trying to avoid making enemies and he is trying not to say too much at all. So I would like two things from Chaotix:
1) An explanation for all your votes thus far I the game.
2) Your thoughts on who is suspicious and needs to be lynched.
Until then I can’t help but think you aren’t working for the Town.
Louis VI the Fat
10-12-2009, 14:46
What have you been up to, Sigurd? You've been rather non-talkative through PMs and in the thread. Something in my gut makes me rather suspicious of you.Arrr...that there be a true cap'n. :pirate:
Killed by a vig group! You guys are not townies in that vig group. You keep killing other townies, like myself. You all must go. This is where some of the mafia are hiding, town.Yes. Apart from the lone Maven killer, the mafia are not killing themselves. Possibly, they managed to convince townies that killing other townies together with them is a clever strategy. Certainly, for the English it is.
Why don't you guys share the names of your vig group? Then we can go over it together and weed out possible English infiltrators?
(Never a good lynch candidate during the day. But at night, oh boy! Apparantly always plenty of candidates who need to be vig killed right now!)
FYI, pevergreen was the fourth person in the ATPG vig hit. However, I don't think Louis was the one who killed him.No, it wasn't me indeed.
But hopefully, Blunderbuss Bessy will have hit the jackpot and killed an Englishman...
So who is the last maven? The one whom we presume is the 'Pirate Tale' killer?
I FoS for suspects:
A Very Super Market
Captain Blackadder
Centurion1
Death is Yonder
Double A
Joooray
Khazaar
Lord Winter
miotas
Psychonaut
Reenk Roink
SSNeoperestroika
pevergreen
10-12-2009, 14:51
You dont need to keep looking?
Why don't you guys share the names of your vig group? Then we can go over it together and weed out possible English infiltrators?
TinCow just mentioned the fourth person of the vig group on ATPG: pevergreen.
So, a vig group has been TinCow, Sasaki, me and pever.
You killed me and pever already, I take you'll kill TinCow and Sasaki the next nights?
How about a First Officer convincing his Captain that killing at night is necessary? Or convincing his Captain that he hasn't been out killing but investigating?
Have we ever seen a full list of all your night actions, Louis?
Or a list with your night actions so far and some people backing up that claim?
We aren't supposed to blindly follow you, CR and ATPG, are we?
We have gotten a few mavens, but so far not a single British agent. Or is the sacrifice of an agent to give yourself some credibility sheduled for today?
I think it's time for a public role reveal and a full list of all night actions from the men we are supposed to follow blindly. It's a fair question.
So who is the last maven? The one whom we presume is the 'Pirate Tale' killer?
I FoS for suspects:
A Very Super Market
Captain Blackadder
Centurion1
Death is Yonder
Double A
Joooray
Khazaar
Lord Winter
miotas
Psychonaut
Reenk Roink
SSNeoperestroika
So, we're only looking for mavens?
Not interested in the British agents?
I have to leave home now and since I'm not sure if I'm going to able to vote later I'll have to (in lack of any better suggestions and because CA makes an interesting case) Vote: Chaotix.
@Louis:
I thought I had cleared myself of being any of the starting scum. Why do you still suspect me of being maven?
So, we're only looking for mavens?
Not interested in the British agents?
The maverns seem to be doing more damage than the Brits, and maybe it's because I'm new to this, or maybe I'm just thick, but I am completely at a loss as to who the Brits could be.
Also, are we sure that the story killer is the mavern? Before last night I would have thought the Bess killer was the mavern, but now with this demonic bluderbuss, I'm not so sure.
Now my brain hurts from too much booze and thinking so I'm gonna have a snooze.
Reenk Roink
10-12-2009, 16:22
Vote: Yaropolk :smash: :whip:
FoS: khaan, Chaotix :yes:
:stwmean:
Arach-san has made the first decent case of the game. :2thumbsup: However going with the gut is still better at this point. Though I didn't mind ricera being lynched last round (something felt off with him - like the feeling I got when gibsons "looked for work" with CR in my group) while I get no such feeling on Chaotix. Of course, Yaropolk must die.
We should really worry about the Brits; with 5 votes, they have a strong block. Take into account that they have one or two smooth talkers among them to steer the town into a certain direction, and we're in big trouble.
Have one of them in the position of officer or Captain, manipulating the town during the day and the night, and it's dramatic.
CR, Louis and ATPG need to be questioned seriously and thoroughly.
Role pm's and list of all night actions, to be posted preferably yesterday.
I wouldn't mind Chaotix posting his role pm and a list of night actions as well.
Crazed Rabbit
10-12-2009, 16:27
Andres, the only time I ordered the crew to vote for someone was for Sigurd. And we know who he was.
CR
Andres, the only time I ordered the crew to vote for someone was for Sigurd. And we know who he was.
CR
Who orders/organises the town groups?
Why shouldn't we question you, pizza and Louis?
In fact, I'm getting bad vibes from Louis since the beginning of the game, something about him sounds 'off' :shrug:
Yaropolk
10-12-2009, 16:34
Vote: Yaropolk :smash: :whip:
FoS: khaan, Chaotix :yes:
:stwmean:
RR, why are you voting for me every round?
Crazed Rabbit
10-12-2009, 16:36
Who orders/organises the town groups?
Why shouldn't we question you, pizza and Louis?
In fact, I'm getting bad vibes from Louis since the beginning of the game, something about him sounds 'off' :shrug:
What you are asking for is a list of who we've been protecting and investigating. Information I see no reason to hand to the mafia.
And Louis has been investigated and found to be a townie.
CR
And Louis has been investigated and found to be a townie.
Says who? Hm? A Captain who's innocence hasn't been confirmed either.
Sorry for being sceptic.
Townie network was succesful in Capo III, but has failed numerous times because it was infiltrated by the mafia.
Why would we believe you? Being Captain doesn't say anything about your allegiance. Why should we trust Louis? Or Pizza? Have you been in contact with investigators that were not Louis? Were they investigated on their turn? Are they still alive? Does the mafia have the power to investigate? We've only gotten mafiosi from one group, not a single British agent. That's reason enough to worry.
EDIT: also:
What you are asking for is a list of who we've been protecting and investigating. Information I see no reason to hand to the mafia.
This doesn't help your credibility.
Did I ask for all details? No. You could have said: N1,2,3 : protecting "not for you to know" with name and name; vig killing on N4 with name, name, name; protecting N5. Instead you answer nothing, which is perfect if you don't want to get caught in a lie later on.
Not answering a question is better than lieing if you have something to hide.
You can at least give a partial answer, with names of other players who can then vouch for you or tell us you are a liar.
Crazed Rabbit
10-12-2009, 16:50
Says who? Hm? A Captain who's innocence hasn't been confirmed either.
:laugh4: No, say investigators.
CR
Louis VI the Fat
10-12-2009, 16:51
Joooray - the list is made by taking the list of living players, and substracting those who voted Sigurd*, and those with an investigation result of action on them on a night the last Maven killed. You are not suspects, you are players that rae not cleared. The list serves as a starting point of discussion. I know that several players are a long shot, some work with me too, and some I totally trust too. I have an obligation to keep all possibilities open. To let other players share their thoughts, and to share what I know with the crew.
*One caveat - it is possible that the last maven considered Sigurd's lynch a foregone conclusion, and quickly voted him so as not to be on this list once Sigurd would be confirmed as maven.
So, a vig group has been TinCow, Sasaki, me and pever.
Have we ever seen a full list of all your night actions, Louis?I know who this group is. That's why I don't vote them, kill them, or pressure them. We have long since made peace. I mean the other vig group.
My night actions are investigating. Certainly, the First Mate job description does not say 'supernatural creature with a bewitched thunderbus'. Obviously, this is some sort of special role. The 'Pirate Tale' killer I assume is the last maven. Two have been killed, the last can kill on his own. So the single kills are not me. Duh.
I hope you will be revealed to be either English or some sort of anti-officer role, Andres. Or else I just can't figure out what is up with you this game. To think that so many times have I tried to prove your innocence, both in this thread and in PM's to people. You have even been in all my wills from day one.
:laugh4: No, say investigators.
CR
What investigators? Town investigators or mafia investigators?
My night actions are investigating. Certainly, the First Mate job description does not say 'supernatural creature with a bewitched thunderbus'. Obviously, this is some sort of special role. The 'Pirate Tale' killer I assume is the last maven. Two have been killed, the last can kill on his own. So the single kills are not me. Duh.
The First mate can kill alone. There have been nights with more than one solo killer. Can someone who is not CR or ATPG confirm that you have not been killing?
I hope you will be revealed to be either English or some sort of anti-officer role, Andres. Or else I just can't figure out what is up with you this game. To think that so many times have I tried to prove your innocence, both in this thread and in PM's to people. You have even been in all my wills from day one.
You didn't buy me flowers.
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 17:45
So, we're only looking for mavens?
Not interested in the British agents?
:inquisitive:
You're better than this, Andres. Why do you wish to prevent discussion on who the final Maven is?
We can do that and look for British agents too.
Yaropolk
10-12-2009, 17:51
The First mate can kill alone. There have been nights with more than one solo killer. Can someone who is not CR or ATPG confirm that you have not been killing?
I can confirm I have second hand knowledge (not from CR/ATPG/LTF) that CR and LTF are townies.
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 17:58
I considered you an ally against ATPG, who I still want removed from office.
What is it you wish, TinCow? Do you wish to remove British and Maven scum? Because you don't seem to care about anything else besides removing me from office, someone who has been investigated to tier three as being loyal to this ship, and cannot be corrupted while in office. Since I know with you it is always business, not personal, it must be a purposeful strategic move for you to want to have me killed off. I simply have to ask why. And I do not buy for one second that it has anything to do with your distaste for the Jolt lynch. Your actions in this game do not seem focused on the prize, but specifically on undermining me.
Even if you disagreed with some of my suspects, more characteristic of you is speaking to me directly about it. Instead you ignore me in private and undermine me in public whilst getting as many allies as possible to bring me down. It's not the TinCow I am used to dealing with as townie. There's something very off about you.
In fact, I'm getting bad vibes from Louis since the beginning of the game, something about him sounds 'off' :shrug:
As a Belgian, you naturally hate his French ways.
What is it you wish, TinCow? Do you wish to remove British and Maven scum? Because you don't seem to care about anything else besides removing me from office, someone who has been investigated to tier three as being loyal to this ship, and cannot be corrupted while in office. Since I know with you it is always business, not personal, it must be a purposeful strategic move for you to want to have me killed off. I simply have to ask why. And I do not buy for one second that it has anything to do with your distaste for the Jolt lynch. Your actions in this game do not seem focused on the prize, but specifically on undermining me.
Even if you disagreed with some of my suspects, more characteristic of you is speaking to me directly about it. Instead you ignore me in private and undermine me in public whilst getting as many allies as possible to bring me down. It's not the TinCow I am used to dealing with as townie. There's something very off about you.
Ironic, coming from the guy who strong-armed his way into office under threat of spilling everything he knew to the mafia. Yeah, you're trustworthy... :laugh4:
I select: TinCow for Queen, I mean, Captain.
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 18:24
Ironic, coming from the guy who strong-armed his way into office under threat of spilling everything he knew to the mafia. Yeah, you're trustworthy... :laugh4:
You usually offer more substance in your responses than that. :thumbsdown:
Do you have anything to offer to the discussion besides this?
You usually offer more substance in your responses than that. :thumbsdown:
Do you have anything to offer to the discussion besides this?
Sure. When it comes to you, I definitely want you gone from office. I've never tried to hide that and I have expressed myself publicly and privately about my reasons for it. My opinions haven't changed from the start. I don't trust you, and I won't work with you. The fact that you have wormed your way into the leadership with the scummiest methodology I've ever seen has only served to undermine my trust in the leadership.
Vote: Chaotix
Looking back over his posts it seems he has simply been refusing to make any enemies and is going with the flow. We start here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2346637#post2346637) where he joins the Lord Winter bandwagon for no reason at all and then, when it becomes apparent that Lord Winter isn’t going to be lynched, he moves (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2346699#post2346699) to the Sigurd bandwagon, again without any reasoning at all.
Following this, we then get this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2349154#post2349154) post from Chaotix where he says a lot, but absolutely nothing at all and makes a random pressure vote whilst ignoring the major lynch targets. Then he throws in the following [frankly, quite bizarre] suggestion:
So he advocates the killing of two people if they don’t leave, which would make sense if he somehow knew they weren’t on his side... The town gains nothing from the wanton killing of townies and to advocate otherwise is lunacy.
In the next day phase we get a vote for mutiny here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2350748#post2350748) with no apparent reasoning and perhaps a wanton misunderstanding of what the special abilities of the Captain-appointed roles are. This post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2350755#post2350755), put up only shortly after the above one serves to sow disunity amongst the town. He ignores the fact that CR, by becoming Captain, would have made himself the prime target of every detective in the game. Finally, he retracted (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2350865#post2350865) his vote for mutiny 4 hours later, saying:
Trying to stop a bandwagon after already being involved in one earlier is hypocritical, but that’s not a huge thing. The last sentence seems strange however and smells like an attempt to make it seem he was trying to set a trap for the mafia to vote with him for mutiny. Further, he voted for ricera (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2350877#post2350877) without any real explanation.
When you add to that his recent abstention (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2352064#post2352064) you get the sense that he is simply trying to avoid making enemies and he is trying not to say too much at all. So I would like two things from Chaotix:
1) An explanation for all your votes thus far I the game.
2) Your thoughts on who is suspicious and needs to be lynched.
Until then I can’t help but think you aren’t working for the Town.
Finally, things are getting interesting for me. :clown:
Ok, so first, you want an explanation of my votes. The first few votes I made were pure and simple nonsense votes. I will not deny that. I'm more busy now than I was during Capo, and so I don't have as much time to devote to the game. Instead of just being inactive the whole time, I try to pop in at least once per phase, and if I'm not feeling the suspicion, make a vote either on intuition, or on a bandwagon, or on anyone I like just because I am feeling funny at the moment.
The mutiny vote was because I was convinced that CR wasn't doing his job right. And by the way, at the time of the last day phase CR had not been investigated at all. This was all but confirmed to me by his officers, when they tried to get me to retract my mutiny. And, as you can see, it worked for them. I got just about a full explanation of what's been going on, and that CR's really been doing the best he can but nobody feels like listening to him right about now. So I figured I'd give them a couple of nights to see if they wind up actually finding any mafia, and if they hadn't I'd start crying for mutiny again. So I decided to follow ATPG's lead on ricera. For now, they've got the benefit of the doubt from me, and I'd like to say that the investigators should really start "following orders" instead of "taking suggestions".
As for who I think is suspicious... Sasaki. Sasaki and TinCow are setting up these vigilante groups that are only getting townies killed, they are in direct defiance of the Captain and have been killing players confirmed innocent before their deaths. Either he feels like going against the established methods for finding mafia in order to make the game harder on all of us, or he is mafia. If CR isn't going to do something about him, then he's going to have to be lynched.
Unvote, Vote: Sasaki
I'm sure this will make me an enemy or two, CA. I wonder if Sasaki will get his group to kill me for this. :laugh4:
Yaropolk
10-12-2009, 18:37
Lynching Kojiro-San is always a safe bet! Vote Sasaki
Lynching Kojiro-San is always a safe bet! Vote Sasaki
:inquisitive:
I think, sir, you have voted too soon. The bandwagon has not even started yet.
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 18:49
Sure. When it comes to you, I definitely want you gone from office. I've never tried to hide that and I have expressed myself publicly and privately about my reasons for it. My opinions haven't changed from the start. I don't trust you, and I won't work with you. The fact that you have wormed your way into the leadership with the scummiest methodology I've ever seen has only served to undermine my trust in the leadership.
The leadership exists only as such when people choose to follow. The titular heads of this ship have barely any influence unless people sit on their butts and do nothing but follow. My being quartermaster shouldn't affect your play in the slightest if you were so concerned about the town winning. Being in this position stems from being conclusively proven NOT to be scum by the watchstanders, and while in office I cannot become scum. And, if we had it set up so a person was lying about my innocence, my so-called "scummiest methodology" will only serve to get me checked by any investigators who don't believe that I am innocent.
In short, I don't buy your explanation. And I don't think you're that bad a player to not be able to do two things at once, like discuss actual suspects for being British, in addition to campaigning for my head. I don't see a whole lot of that from you. And even if you thought I were one of them, you'd know it would get conclusively proven in short order, and you'd discuss other possible suspects. Where is the analysis?
I've seen you make devastatingly insightful posts in games where there is no detective whatsoever, amongst a sea of basic townies. I know what you're capable of, and it's much better than this. Given everything you've said and done, I honestly hope you're working for a personal victory or mafia victory.
That being said, I do not think you are scum, and it's better for the team effort if I not focus solely on you. I'm just registering my disappointment, disapproval and dismay.
Louis VI the Fat
10-12-2009, 19:01
I personally investigated Pizza. Thee tiers. He was squaky clean.
Vote: A Very Super Market
- Scummy name for a pirate.
- Has 'Melancholic swashbuckler' for a title. (Sad to see his two Maven buddies go?)
- He's on the 'Maven' list
- Visited Sigurd's personal page
- Has barely posted since Sigurd and Gibson were killed
- His posts sound scummy:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=238621
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 19:02
You can't post a link to a search; it's broken for everyone besides you I believe.
But will re-examine his posts.
-edit-
After review; Meh... standard AVSM, to me. That's not to say he is or he isn't scum, but his posts aren't out of the norm for him.
White_eyes:D
10-12-2009, 19:12
I would love to hear from myself as well, but school takes up a bit of time.
I was in the protection group, not Sasaki's.
Louis and this post, just convinced me....It would match the "fake protection group" I was thinking of:yes: I recall it was two other people who confirmed it too...:inquisitive:
I could be wrong....but I like this the best so far...so, Vote:AVSM
Sasaki Kojiro
10-12-2009, 19:31
Vote:AVSM
slashandburn
10-12-2009, 19:33
Louis's case seems reasonable but so does arach's. Vote:AVSM until otherwise convinced.
In short, I don't buy your explanation. And I don't think you're that bad a player to not be able to do two things at once, like discuss actual suspects for being British, in addition to campaigning for my head. I don't see a whole lot of that from you. And even if you thought I were one of them, you'd know it would get conclusively proven in short order, and you'd discuss other possible suspects. Where is the analysis?
Why do people like Sasaki and Reenk get a free pass on hammering people for nothing more than gut instinct, yet for me it counts as laziness? You are a danger to the town. I know it. I'm not going to give up, nor am I going to stop.
I guarantee everyone, if ATPG remains in office the town will lose. I look forward to saying "I told you so" when the game is over.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=238621
Your link is dead.
Whoops, I'm a bit slow on the uptake. Could you quote that in the thread?
Tratorix
10-12-2009, 20:18
Yay, another officer led bandwagon based on virtually nothing! :2thumbsup:
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 20:26
Why do people like Sasaki and Reenk get a free pass on hammering people for nothing more than gut instinct, yet for me it counts as laziness?
Because even when you do hammer people on nothing more than gut instinct, it eventually leads to an analysis of candidates and suspects... and you usually have more than one suspect in your brain. And it usually doesn't involve someone vouched for as innocent by no less than four people. I've actually lost count.
You are a danger to the town. I know it. I'm not going to give up, nor am I going to stop.
Because I am an obstacle to your personal victory?
I guarantee everyone, if ATPG remains in office the town will lose.
I am so powerful as to ensure the death of the entire town. Interesting. Even with you left alive as a counterbalance? Even more interesting.
You're full of something, TinCow. :laugh4:
I look forward to saying "I told you so" when the game is over.
Me first.
seireikhaan
10-12-2009, 20:29
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
'Cuz.
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 20:30
Vote: Yaseikhaan
Stellar analysis.
A Very Super Market
10-12-2009, 20:30
I personally investigated Pizza. Thee tiers. He was squaky clean.
Vote: A Very Super Market
- Scummy name for a pirate. Yeah, you got me there
- Has 'Melancholic swashbuckler' for a title. (Sad to see his two Maven buddies go?) Been like that for ages
- He's on the 'Maven' list Yes, with a lot of people
- Visited Sigurd's personal page Yes, with a lot of people
- Has barely posted since Sigurd and Gibson were killed Yes, with a lot of people
- His posts sound scummy: I always sound scummy
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=238621
Vote: slashandburn
At least the others realize it's a baseless bandwagon. Why are you so eager to seem like you're actually thinking?
seireikhaan
10-12-2009, 20:31
Vote: Yaseikhaan
Stellar analysis.
I'm busy and tired and not getting online as much as I used to.
Also,
Just 'cuz.
Louis VI the Fat
10-12-2009, 20:44
baselessWhat have you been up to then? Been protecting people?
Also - I am slowly begining to think that some players are required by role to be anti-officer. I can understand analysis. Or gut feeling. But the persistence of Andres against me, and of Tincow against Pizza I just don't understand.
Why the outspoken, absolute conviction, repeated over and over again, that the First Mate (Andres), or QM (Tincow) will mean the utter ruin of the town? There does seem to be an ulterior motive at work.
Louis and this post, just convinced me....It would match the "fake protection group" I was thinking of:yes: I recall it was two other people who confirmed it too...:inquisitive:
I could be wrong....but I like this the best so far...so, Vote:AVSM
For the record, that "Fake protection group" was one I and three over people were in. So unless you define "fake" as meaning "real", your logic is screwy at best, and suspicious at worst.
Because even when you do hammer people on nothing more than gut instinct, it eventually leads to an analysis of candidates and suspects... and you usually have more than one suspect in your brain. And it usually doesn't involve someone vouched for as innocent by no less than four people. I've actually lost count.
If you're so sure you're not a threat, just step down from the position. Why is that so difficult? Surely there are other people who have been investigated and found innocent. Why do you have to be the one in that spot?
Well this is confusing for a mere pirate...
From what I see, the officers are withholding information, and so are the anti-officers. A complete domination from either side would be bad for us, whilst with two competing side we will have more interesting and perhaps useful discussions...
Vote: RR
Pick a side already, not like RR to be.. so... quiet? :juggle2:
(PS, I know reasoning is stupid...)
Louis VI the Fat
10-12-2009, 20:52
For the record, that "Fake protection group" was one I and three over people were in. So unless you define "fake" as meaning "real", your logic is screwy at best, and suspicious at worst.Can you refresh my memory here? You and AVSM were protecting someone? Was there an attack?
(Or PM me)
Well this is confusing for a mere pirate...
From what I see, the officers are withholding information, and so are the anti-officers. A complete domination from either side would be bad for us, whilst with two competing side we will have more interesting and perhaps useful discussions...
Vote: RR
Pick a side already, not like RR to be.. so... quiet? :juggle2:
(PS, I know reasoning is stupid...)
Suspicious PS :inquisitive:
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 20:53
Also - I am slowly begining to think that some players are required by role to be anti-officer.
It would explain the foreshadowing by the Host in the beginning of the game:
Of course, if all trust is lost and vigilante justice becomes common, they themselves could be their greatest enemy.
That's nice storytelling, but it seems to me this game was designed with the idea of townie-on-townie violence purposefully in mind, to cause disunity and chaos... enough such that the mafia should have a decent chance of winning. In particular, anti-officer sentiment. That would explain the utterly ridiculous and baseless calls for a mutiny so early on in the game. Mafia would probably not be crazy enough to immediately challenge the establishment, who have investigative, blocking, and killing powers. Shows up on the radar too soon. So... why would townies wish put someone into office and then oppose them immediately? That would seem contrary to a standard townie strategy.
You might be onto something there, Louis. Very creative game set-up, if this is how it was designed. I couldn't imagine a Pirate Ship mafia without mutinous players. Given the amount of pro-town roles we were given, and basic townies, compared to how few mafia there were to start with, it seems to me the game would be terribly unbalanced, and not characteristic of the spirit of piracy, if town were so united and powerful. The balancing element, it seems, is disunity.
Ergo, seamen who must work to depose the officers.
Crazed Rabbit, what have you gotten me into? :laugh4:
You guys are seriously underestimating the FUN factor that a mutiny would bring.
I'm sure GH has a hilarious write-up ready about the funniest mutiny ever, but you guys are just refusing to cooperate.
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 20:57
If you're so sure you're not a threat, just step down from the position. Why is that so difficult? Surely there are other people who have been investigated and found innocent. Why do you have to be the one in that spot?
Because it is totally pointless for me to die, and if I am to be removed from the QM position, I need to be dead. Otherwise I'm recruit-able and too many people spilled their info. And you know this already, because we discussed it on the round I asked to be lynched.
Again, this is too sloppy for you. It's deliberate. You simply want me, specifically, removed and dead. Even though several people vouched for my innocence. It's pretty transparent. There's no other reasonable explanation. And you're a reasonable guy.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-12-2009, 21:01
unvote:avsm, vote:shlin
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 21:01
Can you refresh my memory here? You and AVSM were protecting someone? Was there an attack?
(Or PM me)
Miotas, Subotan, AVSM= protecting A completely inoffensive name. (posted in-thread already so it's not a leak)
Louis VI the Fat
10-12-2009, 21:04
You guys are seriously underestimating the FUN factor that a mutiny would bring.Mutiny is anti-captain. I think there are anti-FM and anti-QM roles too.
Face it, you and Tincow love your fun. BUT...you are not calling for mutiny. Andres has, since the very beginning of the game been specifically anti-First Mate. Tincow is not after mutiny either. He is specifically anti-Quartermaster.
And the two of you are too good of a player, to reasonable, to behave the way you two do in this game.
Suspicious PS :inquisitive:
Apologies, but I meant "My reasoning is stupid"
:sweatdrop:
*Walks off into the cargo hold shamefully*
Louis VI the Fat
10-12-2009, 21:07
unvote:avsm, vote:shlinWhat is so scummy about Shlin's post?
Or are you jumping to the defense of Reenk here?
FoS: Sasaki, (and Reenk?)
*Walks off into the cargo hold shamefully*And go fetch me a new bottle of rum while you're down there. :whip:
Because it is totally pointless for me to die, and if I am to be removed from the QM position, I need to be dead. Otherwise I'm recruit-able and too many people spilled their info. And you know this already, because we discussed it on the round I asked to be lynched.
Strange how you were suicidal and argued for your own lynch before you got in office, yet now you think your death would be pointless. There's another option, you know... abandon ship. If you're so selfless and pro-town, you can remove yourself from the game without causing any problems. But you won't do that, will you? You didn't do it before when your very existence was a threat to us all. Instead, you made grandiose threats about how much a disaster it would be if you still lived and *poof* you were an officer.
So, tell me... when this whole thing started, why didn't you just abandon ship, Mr. Self-less Pro-town Pirate?
Again, this is too sloppy for you. It's deliberate. You simply want me, specifically, removed and dead. Even though several people vouched for my innocence. It's pretty transparent. There's no other reasonable explanation. And you're a reasonable guy.
Of course it's deliberate... I didn't think I could make my intentions any more clear. I've been trying to get you out of office for a long time now. I pursued it mainly via private channels in an attempt to keep the issue from derailing the discussion, but those efforts have obviously failed. So, I'm now doing it publicly.
Tincow is not after mutiny either. He is specifically anti-Quartermaster.
I am no such thing. I never had a beef with Sigurd before he was lynched, nor will I complain about anyone who is put into the position after ATPG. I am anti-ATPG, not anti-QM.
If you're so sure you're not a threat, just step down from the position. Why is that so difficult? Surely there are other people who have been investigated and found innocent. Why do you have to be the one in that spot?
Your logic is screwy. If he steps down with the information he knows and get converted by the Mafia, then the town would be lost.
Only way you are going to get him down, if you kill him.
White_eyes:D
10-12-2009, 21:23
For the record, that "Fake protection group" was one I and three over people were in. So unless you define "fake" as meaning "real", your logic is screwy at best, and suspicious at worst.
Yeah, we have a stellar record for hitting the Brits...:no:
The Brits must have formed a "Fake" pro-town group....or we have just conveniently been missing them, which I find totally unlikely.:yes:
Your logic is screwy. If he steps down with the information he knows and get converted by the Mafia, then the town would be lost.
Only way you are going to get him down, if you kill him.
Again, he can abandon ship. He was 'selfless' enough to offer his own death before he got into office, though apparently not selfless enough to take himself out of the picture. If he's really got the town's interests at heart, he can remove himself from the game in that manner without causing any other problems.
Yaropolk
10-12-2009, 21:33
TC - I am missing your argument here. What would be the advantage of ATPG leaving the ship vs staying on as officer?
TC - I am missing your argument here. What would be the advantage of ATPG leaving the ship vs staying on as officer?
I believe if he remains as an officer the town will lose. Let's call it a 'gut feeling' and leave it at that.
But right now, he's been investigated as innocent, while 100% corruptible.
WHY WOULD YOU WILLINGLY WANT A TOWNIE TO DIE?
Whether or not ATPG is killed or leaves the ship is inconsequential, as he is in effect removed from play either way. The way that the mafia wins is by removing townies from play.
If the town (presumably you) wants to kill the town, then that is called suicide. You don't win if you kill yourself.
The notion that the town would be better off if more of it were dead and gone strikes me as nothing short of ridiculous.
EDIT: How interesting. It appears TC cannot come back with a counter-argument to this.
But right now, he's been investigated as innocent, while 100% corruptible.
WHY WOULD YOU WILLINGLY WANT A TOWNIE TO DIE?
I don't want a townie to die, I want ATPG to die. There's a difference.
Ask yourself something: why didn't ATPG simply abandon ship when he was 'found out' that he was recruitable? He forced the town to decide between lynching him and making him an officer... yet those weren't the only options. Why did he ignore the third option? The answer to my rhetorical question is that he never had any intentions of dying or abandoning ship... he was making a power move for the QM position. Why would he do that?
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 22:00
It's clear the only thing TC cares about is my removal, and I will assume he will continue sending vigilantes after me or the people supporting me until I end up dead. As such, he's obviously not putting any effort into tracking down and destroying mafia. Let him continue with his quest, perhaps when he succeeds he will be happy. But otherwise, I'd consider him an unreliable source of information, analysis, or leadership.
Especially suspect is his claim that with me in office, town will lose. I wonder why that is. I can be ignored, roleblocked, etc... and I am also, again, fully investigated. What he's saying makes no sense and is an obvious lie.
Ask yourself something: why didn't ATPG simply abandon ship when he was 'found out' that he was recruitable? He forced the town to decide between lynching him and making him an officer... yet those weren't the only options. Why did he ignore the third option?
This, too, we covered during that round.
Abandoning ship isn't a sure thing. It has a significant chance of failure. I wasn't willing to take the risk, I would rather die than risk that. And you know all of this, too. Why are you causing us to repeat already posted information?
I'm tired, I need sleep and I don't have the energy to play mafia.
However, I have learned one thing from the past few hours; I am sick and tired of TinCow's bull:daisy:, and if he's not mafia, then he's diverting energy from looking for them. Since I don't seem to have any other practical alternatives before I go to sleep, Vote:Tincow
Edit: Woo, 1,000th Post
Crazed Rabbit
10-12-2009, 22:54
Tincow, this is rather pointless. You believe ATPG means the town will lose? A remarkably different attitude from Capo, isn't it?
Perhaps we could concentrate on subjects and not this bickering.
CR
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 22:55
I'm not totally convinced on AVSM. Is there another suspect, or should I bandwagon away?
Tincow, this is rather pointless. You believe ATPG means the town will lose? A remarkably different attitude from Capo, isn't it?
Perhaps we could concentrate on subjects and not this bickering.
CR
Very well, I will speak with you about this via PM.
I am not happy with the administration. It gives vitial information willynilly to people who can be corrupted which also have alternative agendas like getting a ton of gold and abandoning ship and doesn't inform people who are truly on the towns side, anything.
:soapbox:
*insert random smilies here*
Crazed Rabbit
10-12-2009, 23:09
I'm not totally convinced on AVSM. Is there another suspect, or should I bandwagon away?
We don't want to bandwagon anyone, we want to get discussion about subjects going.
CR
pevergreen
10-12-2009, 23:23
Take a step back. Both sides.
Officers: Try to look at it from our side.
All we can see if you guys saying "Oh yeah, we were cleared by the investigators. Who are they? Not telling."
Someone accuses an officer, another one clears him saying "I investigated him" great! But we don't know if that person is innocent or not. Its a big circle.
ATPG, you did make it. You forced the town into believing that they would lose if you did not get put into an uncorruptable role. I have no doubts it was a great move, but the simple fact is, I don't enjoy playing mafia with you anymore. You have stated that you wanted to stand back and roleplay, and I can see that you can still do that while in the QM position, but the fact remains, people are still going through you.
I dislike the pro town group. The whole idea. While I appreciate that leaving subtle clues in thread to say "Oh hey, I'm the doctor." which you hope the detective will pick up on, or the other way around, so the doctor will protect you, without confirming it via PM. I understand not everyone feels that way, and I am not hosting this game, so I play along.
Why do I dislike the pro town group? Because it takes away from what I think mafia should be. The uninformed majority vs the informed minority. When you get a block of anywhere between 3-x people, all being cleared internally, just saying "This person is todays lynch" and so on, there is no fun. This happened in Netherworld mafia. Although, a mafia member (myself) and a serial killer who formed his own mafia and won (TinCow) infiltrated it. It was a brilliant play by TC. He forced me to be lynched or break a rule, I broke a rule and payed for it. But since then, it has just been happening more and more.
What you all should do is stop focusing on who the maven are. In my opinion, (since I can't reveal facts) the maven are no longer a problem as of last night.
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 23:32
I can always resign from playing if need be.
uh... vote: abstain for now ?
I can always resign from playing if need be.
To be clear, from my perspective this is entirely an in-game issue. Nothing I say has anything to do with your behavior in other games. To use the popular phrase: this is business, it's not personal. I hope you can understand that.
:bow:
pevergreen
10-12-2009, 23:51
To be clear, from my perspective this is entirely an in-game issue. Nothing I say has anything to do with your behavior in other games.:bow:
As for me, kind of the same.
Its an entirely mafia related issue, outside of that, you're a stand up bloke.
Two reasons why you shouldn't resign:
1) I'm dead
2) I'm one person.
If you enjoy it, keep playing. I'd hate to think I caused someone to stop playing the game.
Louis VI the Fat
10-12-2009, 23:51
There is no pro-town group.
There are no attack/protect combo's to find out who's real.
The game mechanics don't inform protectors whether the other protectors showed up.
The write-ups don't even mention how many protectors there were when a player is attacked.
And:
Investigations take three rounds. It is impossible for the detectives in the town to figure out who has what role.
This means:
The officers aren't holding anything back - there simply isn't any information.
This game is played on gut feeling. (This is how Rabbit sniffed Sigurd out!)
This is Pirate roleplay galore for those with a sense of fun and some creativity!
Also:
Tincow is deluding the town. Here's the deal, I figured it out. See my post on the previous page:
Andres is anti-First Mate.
Tincow is anti-QM.
Simple as that. One needs to disregard everything Andres wrote about me, and what Tincow wrote about Pizza. I do believe both Andres and Tincow to be pro-town. This is the only explanation for the erratic behaviour of both.
Lastly:
unvote: AVSM
vote: Reenk Roink
His name aliterates. Very Eton. Very English.
Askthepizzaguy
10-12-2009, 23:54
unvote, vote: Sasaki
My magic crystal ball suggests that Sasaki is British. And no, I have no investigation results or damning evidence to point that out. It is my impression of the man alone.
pevergreen
10-12-2009, 23:56
Interesting premise. I never considered there being an anti-role role.
However, we are being told, by yourself that x is innocent.
"What about CR" we say. Innocent, you lot say.
And Louis has been investigated and found to be a townie.
By the mystical town aligned investigator who revealed to, no doubt at that point, an uncleared player, who looks to be cleared by more products of the initial clearing.
What I want is the detective to jump up and say who they are. Then we can either believe them, follow them and protect them, put them in captain, or if found to be false, lynch them.
Its not hard. Why are you critical to our success CR? You arent. We should get this investigator in there.
Or is it you?
I know you were pegging sigurd without trying to reveal you had investigated him (or on your behalf)
edit: ATPG: I believe he may be as well.
Cultured Drizzt fan
10-12-2009, 23:57
:inquisitive: So now we want to get rid of Sasaki? I mean we have known that he has been killing townies for almost the whole game but now we are choosing to act on it?
Frankly that seems strange to me, but who am I to argue? I was for lynching Sasaki before and I still am now. He has been getting away with what he is doing for far to long.
Vote: sasaki
Louis VI the Fat
10-12-2009, 23:57
What I want is the detectives to jump up and say who they are. :laugh4:
I think our supernatural creature with the enchanted bunderbuss killed us a pommy.
Askthepizzaguy
10-13-2009, 00:02
CDF-
To be clear, "we" do not want to get rid of Sasaki. I am voting based on what I believe. And I wasn't suggested by Crazed Rabbit or Louis to vote for him either. I am choosing to rely on the "gut" which so many others rely on.
Splitpersonality
10-13-2009, 00:04
Vote: Abstain
I have no idea who the :dasiy: to vote for anymore :(
pevergreen
10-13-2009, 00:05
I think our supernatural creature with the enchanted bunderbuss killed us a pommy.
As per rules for the dead, I can't say anything on this matter.
However, I urge you to look back over my last posts.
Askthepizzaguy
10-13-2009, 00:06
mavergreen is right, we should focus on the British.
Splitpersonality
10-13-2009, 00:08
Askthebritishguy is right, we can't let people infiltrate our ranks and poison our minds.
Cultured Drizzt fan
10-13-2009, 00:09
CDF-
To be clear, "we" do not want to get rid of Sasaki. I am voting based on what I believe. And I wasn't suggested by Crazed Rabbit or Louis to vote for him either. I am choosing to rely on the "gut" which so many others rely on.
Thats fine, Personally after what sasaki has done I think he deserves a lynch.
The funny thing is he has gotten away with it. He organized hits on townies and the rest of us just said "ohh he can't be mafia, just let him have his fun". even if he is not mafia he is not helping the town out. :no:
but I may just be living in the past, :laugh4:.
pevergreen
10-13-2009, 00:12
"mavengreen"
I like that.
Splitpersonality
10-13-2009, 00:12
"ohh he can't be mafia, just let him have his fun". even if he is not mafia he is not helping the town out.
Am I right in believing we already lynched someone who wasn't actively killing townies, over someone who has?
Just wondering if I'm right about that, I think I might be.
Louis VI the Fat
10-13-2009, 00:14
pevergreen the last maven? But he is claimed to have been part of the vig team against Pizza, on the night of a maven kill?
I know mavergreen hints at being maven:
What you all should do is stop focusing on who the maven are. In my opinion, (since I can't reveal facts) the maven are no longer a problem as of last night.
Was pevergreen part of the vig group, or was that a lie?
pevergreen
10-13-2009, 00:18
pevergreen the last maven? But he is claimed to have been part of the vig team against Pizza, on the night of a maven kill?
I know mavergreen hints at being maven:
Was pevergreen part of the vig group, or was that a lie?
Looking purely at the writeup, the attack failed. There was four people though.
Anyway, I may need to be quiet to avoid breaking any rules here.
White_eyes:D
10-13-2009, 00:19
That's why the "Protect group" AVSM was in, is SO scummy sounding....:inquisitive:
pevergreen can't be the last "Maven"...:no:
Louis VI the Fat
10-13-2009, 00:28
Looking purely at the writeup, the attack failed. There was four people though.
Anyway, I may need to be quiet to avoid breaking any rules here.Meh. I can't work it out. But I want to know so I'll put a pressure vote on the people who do know and can tell:
unvote: Reenk
vote: Sasaki
pevergreen
10-13-2009, 00:29
Results don't show who you worked with.
a completely inoffensive name
10-13-2009, 00:30
Can someone give a tally? I am confused on where everybody stands.
Askthepizzaguy
10-13-2009, 00:33
Some have suggested if I step down as quartermaster and leave the ship, things would be better.
If the Captain dismisses me as QM then I shall take my leave.
Now, you see, if Yaropolk was a smart mafioso, he would put his vote right here, once the bandwagon was already established and his post would be undistinguishable from any of the others:
Lynching Kojiro-San is always a safe bet! Vote Sasaki
But instead, he made the mistake of blatantly jumping on the bandwagon way before there was a bandwagon. Does that seem to anyone else like a miscalculated scum move?
Sasaki's gotta go... we should keep an eye on Yaropolk afterwards.
a completely inoffensive name
10-13-2009, 00:34
That's why the "Protect group" AVSM was in, is SO scummy sounding....:inquisitive:
pevergreen can't be the last "Maven"...:no:
Do you like making assertions with no evidence but just your feelings?
White_eyes:D
10-13-2009, 00:39
Do you like making assertions with no evidence but just your feelings?
Why do you think no one listens? and anyone who does is Scum?:laugh4:
I can't talk or hint about it...but GH wouldn't let pevergreen's hinting stand, if it were true:bow:
(I was even told to stop....:sweatdrop:)
pevergreen
10-13-2009, 00:43
Why do you think no one listens? and anyone who does is Scum?:laugh4:
I can't talk or hint about it...but GH wouldn't let pevergreen's hinting stand, if it were true:bow:
(I was even told to stop....:sweatdrop:)
I've asked GH and he said he was monitoring the thread.
I'm 100% trying to stay within the rules.
KukriKhan
10-13-2009, 00:46
What, no one offering to buy or sell votes yet?:laugh4: By now, it's tradition, harrrr.
vote: Tin Cow
I've never seen him be so obstinate. Something is up.
White_eyes:D
10-13-2009, 00:46
I've asked GH and he said he was monitoring the thread.
I'm 100% trying to stay within the rules.
He was VERY NICE to you then....:no:
And yes, I use evidence....what have you come up with ACIN??:stare:(Other then comic relief?:clown:)
pevergreen
10-13-2009, 00:54
What, no one offering to buy or sell votes yet?:laugh4: By now, it's tradition, harrrr.
vote: Tin Cow
I've never seen him be so obstinate. Something is up.
YLC bowed out, then I was losing money waaay too fast.
Louis VI the Fat
10-13-2009, 00:55
Some have suggested if I step down as quartermaster and leave the ship, things would be better.No.
Tincow maybe has lost track of the fine line between attacking the role, and attacking the person playing the role. Too much is too much. This is a game. We are not here for character assassination.
You are a great force for this town, and one hell of a funny player to work with.
a completely inoffensive name
10-13-2009, 01:03
He was VERY NICE to you then....:no:
And yes, I use evidence....what have you come up with ACIN??:stare:(Other then comic relief?:clown:)
I will be honest I don't have anything other then comic relief unless I feel like researching.
But all you said was that it sounded scummy to you.
If you want evidence from me all I have is the fact that that I can tell you I got all three of my friends to protect me and that they will all back that up as well.
Askthepizzaguy
10-13-2009, 01:09
No.
Tincow maybe has lost track of the fine line between attacking the role, and attacking the person playing the role. Too much is too much. This is a game. We are not here for character assassination.
You are a great force for this town, and one hell of a funny player to work with.
I think TinCow did an okay job of suggesting it was game-related only. I don't feel he was attacking me personally.
Yaropolk
10-13-2009, 01:12
I am the keymaster. Are you the gate keeper?
Now, you see, if Yaropolk was a smart mafioso, he would put his vote right here, once the bandwagon was already established and his post would be undistinguishable from any of the others:
But instead, he made the mistake of blatantly jumping on the bandwagon way before there was a bandwagon. Does that seem to anyone else like a miscalculated scum move?
Sasaki's gotta go... we should keep an eye on Yaropolk afterwards.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-13-2009, 01:18
So I'm being lynched for killing LG? When CR asked me I told him the group I was with. One kill, failed attempts on andres and pizza (I agree with tincow and pevergreen on that one, and no I don't have an anti-QM role :rolleyes:).
Crazed Rabbit
10-13-2009, 01:19
I'm not sure Sasaki is the best lynch. Probably appropriate for investigation, since it seems like the mafia might try to recruit him.
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
10-13-2009, 01:22
I'm not sure Sasaki is the best lynch. Probably appropriate for investigation, since it seems like the mafia might try to recruit him.
CR
I haven't been investigated yet?
I said before the game I would get recruited right away if I was susceptible, and someone got recruited night 2 right? I'm semi insulted that pizza and sigurd were checked before me :beam:
Louis VI the Fat
10-13-2009, 01:24
So I'm being lynched for killing LG? When CR asked me I told him the group I was with. One kill, failed attempts on andres and pizza (I agree with tincow and pevergreen on that one, and no I don't have an anti-QM role :rolleyes:).I meant whether Pever was in the group on Pizza, which would mean he is not maven.
I'll follow me cap'n's instinct (sheesh, I'm beginning to feel like a poodle here)
unvote
and revote: Reenk Roink
This game's too complicated for me. :bigcry:
@pizza - but I do hope everybody else understands the difference between personal and in-game. Lots of things are said in the heat of an in-game argument, and are easily misunderstood. [/whatever. Too much said of this already]
Louis VI the Fat
10-13-2009, 01:26
I haven't been investigated yet?
I said before the game I would get recruited right away if I was susceptible, and someone got recruited night 2 right? I'm semi insulted that pizza and sigurd were checked before me :beam:We don't consider you a threat. :smug:
a completely inoffensive name
10-13-2009, 01:31
Vote: Tin Cow and this is just going from my own hunch from reading his posts, so no one should take any consideration of this into any decision whatsoever. I need to leave and by the time I come back the round will be over so this is it for me.
KukriKhan
10-13-2009, 01:47
Tally, as of #1629:
Sasaki Kojiro: 4(chaotix, Yaropolk, Askthepizzaguy, Cultured Drizzt fan)
A Very Super Market: 3(White eyes:D, Beskar, slaskandburn)
chaotix: 2(countarach, joooray)
Reenk Roink: 2(shlin28, LouisVItheFat)
TinCow: 2(Kukrikhan, a completely inoffensive name)
Yaropolk: 1(Reenk Roink)
DeathIsYonder: 1(psychonaut)
AskThePizzaGuy: 1( Yaseikhaan)
shlin28: 1(SasakiKojiro)
abstain: 5(a1 unit, Death is yonder, miotas, taka, spL1tp3r50naL1ty)
Louis VI the Fat
10-13-2009, 01:50
Tincow, I think, is the same as Andres(:whip:) - vehement, obstinate, and seemingly erratic, but not anti-town.
I am the keymaster. Are you the gate keeper?
:inquisitive:
Why, yes. I am the gatekeeper. Whyever do you ask?
Splitpersonality
10-13-2009, 02:13
:inquisitive:
Why, yes. I am the gatekeeper. Whyever do you ask?
I am the keymaster. Are you the gate keeper?
I'd offer a FoS at you two, if you weren't making a blatant spectacle of it.
Vote: Yaropolk anyway.
When does this round end?
GeneralHankerchief
10-13-2009, 02:21
In 40 minutes or whenever the Phillies game ends, whichever comes second (probably the 40 minutes since the Phils are down to their last out).
Sasaki Kojiro
10-13-2009, 02:24
Well, for the record I haven't been killing townies all game, I killed LG who had acted very suspicious as most of you agreed.
I don't like the avsm lynch much, or the TinCow or reenk lynches.
10 gold to whoever puts a vote on yaropolk or chaotix so I can tie it.
I'll put a vote on Yaropolk for the gold.
vote: Yaropolk
Sorry
unvote: abstain
vote: Yaropolk
Sasaki Kojiro
10-13-2009, 02:33
unvote:shlin, vote:yarapolk
Wait, I don't understand how that ties it, unless that tally is wrong?
edit
nevermind
GeneralHankerchief
10-13-2009, 02:33
PM me for confirmation please.
phils. 3 runs in the ninth. 3 outs away.
scotchedpommes
10-13-2009, 02:40
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Sasaki Kojiro
10-13-2009, 02:42
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
No tie hmm :no:
You don't trust the captain to pick, that's like mutiny yeah?
GeneralHankerchief
10-13-2009, 03:00
Voting closed.
I'm going to calm my nerves for a bit and then tally things up.
Yaropolk
10-13-2009, 03:05
Like Sasaki's signature says, remember rule #1.
Rule #1: Sasaki is always guilty.
slashandburn
10-13-2009, 03:09
No, Rule #1 Sasaki is always suspicious.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-13-2009, 03:09
Usually I rely on the ironclad "if I was guilty I would have been found out by investigation" to counteract rule #1 votes. I blame louis :no:
Drat, sorry for missing the vote. Was at the in-laws for dinner and just got back a moment ago. Didn't realize the phase was ending this evening and I thought I would have plenty of time when I got home.
GeneralHankerchief
10-13-2009, 04:19
Day 6
For once, the officers aboard the Presence did not dictate the day's lynch choice. They may have tried, but it was a half-hearted effort and with none of the Four Horsemen coming forward, they were for once not sure where to turn. This vacuum of lynch candidates was quickly filled by several crewmen who had misspoke over the past few days. First among them was Sasaki Kojiro.
Now, Sasaki had a bit of history to him. While never Officers' Club material, he was nonetheless unanimously respected by the crew both for his dueling skills and his ruthless demeanor. Several times in the past, he had devised battle plans when coming across English ships (and, when it called for it, retreat plans) which were almost always successful. There were even whispers that Sasaki was the one who had masterminded the attack on Charleston, though he never took credit for it and the previous captain was too well-respected to have been questioned about it to his face.
However, that was all behind him now. Sasaki had not quite been falling in lockstep with the officers and the rest of the crew about their decisions, so naturally people were quick to suspect that he was using his vast intelligence and charisma to initiate an evil plot to take over the ship for himself. As the day wore on, and despite his offers of treasure, it was clear that Sasaki would be the one to go down today. He fought until the end, but when the sun started to set and Captain Crazed Rabbit emerged from his cabin, Sasaki knew it was over.
Turning to the Captain, Sasaki gave him a long look in the eye. "They picked me, Captain. Make it quick."
Rabbit raised an eyebrow. "And did they say why they be pickin' ye, Kojiro?"
"He did not obey," shouted out one of the crewmen. "Therefore he must die!" There were loud shouts of agreement from amongst the crew, shouts that continued on for an inappropriately long time. Sasaki and Rabbit continued looking at each other in perplexment, and then shock as the shouts gradually turned into a monotone drone.
"You must obey, or you must die," the crew chanted in unison, moving as one towards Sasaki. "The officers know all," they continued. "Submit and all will be well."
By this point, Sasaki had abandoned most of his dignity, but was too shocked and terrified to do anything but watch the scene unfolding. Rabbit too was rooted to his spot, but the crew mostly ignored him, instead heading for the man they had selected to walk the plank.
"What's good for the officers is good for the ship," they continued chanting, by now having completely surrounded Sasaki. "Good for the officers, good for the ship. Good for the officers, good for the ship. Good for the officers, good for the ship. Good for the officers, good for the ship. Good for the officers, good for the ship. Good for the officers, good for the ship." Sasaki, who had been picked up, started screaming over them, but it was of no use as the collective voice of the crew simply got louder.
"GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP. GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP. WE DO NOT GET TREASURE FOR THINKING. WE GET TREASURE FOR OBEYING. GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP. GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP. THINKING BAD, TREASURE GOOD. THINKING BAD, TREASURE GOOD. GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP. GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP. GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP. GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP." It was as if they were possessed by a singular force, one that caused them to abandon all vestiges of free will in pursuit of the greater good.
"GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP!" they roared as they carried Sasaki closer and closer to his doom. "GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP! THINKING BAD, TREASURE GOOD! THINKING BAD, TREASURE GOOD! GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP! GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP! THINKING BAD, TREASURE GOOD! THINKING BAD, TREASURE GOOD! THINKING BAD, TREASURE GOOD! THINKING BAD, TREASURE GOOD! THINKING BAD, TREASURE GOOD!" Sasaki was finally thrown off the ship, his final thoughts all having the endless beat of the crew pounding through his head.
When it was done, they all looked up, blinked, and then stared at Captain Crazed Rabbit. Wide-eyed, the Captain said nothing, only backing into his cabin for the night.
Day 6 tally:
Sasaki Kojiro: 5 (Chaotix, Yaro, ATPG, Drizzt, SSNeo) :skull:
Yaropolk: 4 (Reenk, split, miotas, Sasaki)
TinCow: 3 (Subotan, Kukri, ACIN)
AVSM: 3 (White_eyes, Beskar, slash)
Reenk: 2 (shlin, Louis)
Chaotix: 2 (CA, Joooray)
Single votes: DiY (Psychonaut), ATPG (khaan), slash (AVSM)
Abstained: 4 (CR, taka, A1, DiY)
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It is now Night 6. The phase will end Wednesday, October 14th, at 00:01 US Eastern.
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Attacked: Centurion1 (n1), LittleGrizzly (n1), taka (n2), Andres (n3), Askthepizzaguy (n4), Beskar (n5), SSNeoperestroika (n5)
Murdered: LittleGrizzly (n1), atheotes (n2), gibsonsg91921 (n2), Tratorix (n3), Iskander 3.1 (n3), Beefy187 (n3), scottishranger (n4), DisgruntledGoat (n4), Andres (n4), Diana Abnoba (n5), pevergren (n5)
Lynched: woad&fangs (d2), Sigurd (d3), Jolt (d4), ricera10 (d5), Sasaki Kojiro (d6)
Removed from play: Xehh II, johnhughthom, YLC
Souls aboard (32):
a completely inoffensive name
A Very Super Market
A1 Unit
Askthepizzaguy
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Centurion1
Chaotix
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Death is Yonder
Double A
Joooray
Khazaar
KukriKhan
Lord Winter
Louis VI the Fat
miotas
Psychonaut
Reenk Roink
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
slashandburn
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
SSNeoperestroika
Subotan
taka
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
pevergreen
10-13-2009, 04:22
Oh this game just got interesting.
Sasaki Kojiro
10-13-2009, 04:23
:laugh4:
I love it.
KukriKhan
10-13-2009, 04:55
Wow. What a send-off, LOL. Harrrgh.
Askthepizzaguy
10-13-2009, 05:47
Kill the pig! Cut his throat! Kill the pig! Bash him in!
CountArach
10-13-2009, 08:40
:laugh4: Love the lynching :laugh4:
Just a random observation that almost certainly means nothing but may be worth mulling over during the night phase...
This post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2352588&postcount=1555) by ATPG and this one (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2352646&postcount=1575) by White Eyes both contain the words stellar highlighted within the post (ATPG's because it is a short post with few words, thus bringing them each out). Almost certainly means nothing, but just in case - there it is.
Kill the pig! Cut his throat! Kill the pig! Bash him in!
LOTF is my absolute favourite book, but I was thinking more Animal Farm (Four Legs Good, Two Legs Bad?)
Oh, and I agree with Pevergreen (Mavengreen?) that this game has just gone up a gear.
Great lynch write-up :laugh4:
Drat, sorry for missing the vote. Was at the in-laws for dinner and just got back a moment ago. Didn't realize the phase was ending this evening and I thought I would have plenty of time when I got home.
I'm just curious, but had you made it back in time, who would you have voted for?
As for TinCow being anti Officer: I think TinCow is afraid that ATPG is doing exactly what TinCow did in Netherworld mafia. Being the biggest scumbag in the game, working himself into the core of the townie group and then pulling the strings.
If TinCow would have been scum, he would have tried to get himself elected as Officer in a similar way as ATPG did.
It would be a great move to get yourself into the position of Officer like that.
I am a mindless drone, I serve the Queen!
Louis VI the Fat
10-13-2009, 12:00
Ugh, crud. Was already in bed for the climax of the lynch. :wall:
Oh well. At least sense and reason have taken over this ship:
THINKING BAD, TREASURE GOOD! GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS, GOOD FOR THE SHIP!
:yes: :cheerleader: :yes: :cheerleader: :yes: :cheerleader: :yes: :cheerleader: :yes: :cheerleader: :yes: :cheerleader: :yes: :cheerleader: :yes:
I'm just curious, but had you made it back in time, who would you have voted for?
AVSM. The other options (Sasaki, Yaropolk, myself, and Reenk) were less appealing to me.
White_eyes:D
10-13-2009, 21:21
AVSM. The other options (Sasaki, Yaropolk, myself, and Reenk) were less appealing to me.
And now you listen?:inquisitive:
Bit of a lesson, do not hold your vote or abstain for too long. I know it's a sound Mafia tactic, but you will more likely miss out....I am surprised at you TinCow....(Especially, after the whole ATPG thing:no:)
Both me and ATPG used the word Stellar?:laugh4: I must be picking up ATPG's posting style....scary:sweatdrop:
Askthepizzaguy
10-13-2009, 21:26
Both me and ATPG used the word Stellar?:laugh4: I must be picking up ATPG's posting style....scary:sweatdrop:
We are the Pizzaguy. You will be assimilated. We will add your toppings to our own. Your cheesiness will adapt to service us. Resistance if futile.
Bit of a lesson, do not hold for vote or abstain for too long. I know it's a sound Mafia tactic, but you will more likely miss out....I am surprised at you TinCow....(Especially, after the whole ATPG thing:no:)
I've missed votes before for RL reasons. I will miss them again for RL reasons. I have a life; it happens.
In any case, I will let the ATPG situation lie for now. I've explained myself fully to CR via PM. His responses have been sufficient to convince me that my concerns will be properly addressed. I will thus drop the issue and focus on other suspects.
White_eyes:D
10-13-2009, 21:48
What I mean is...you didn't follow your suspicions and you lost Sasaki because of it...(Who may or may not have been a Brit...but I seriously doubt it:no:)
What I mean is...you didn't follow your suspicions and you lost Sasaki because of it...(Who may or may not have been a Brit...but I seriously doubt it:no:)
If I had voted before I left for dinner, I would have (obviously) voted for ATPG. The only reason I didn't was because he had a grant total of 1 vote at that point and it seemed useless. I thought I would have plenty of time after I got back to size up my choices. After getting back and seeing that ATPG was not a realistic option for the lynch, of the remaining people left AVSM was the best choice IMO. The Sasaki votes didn't start piling up until after I left, so I can't very well be blamed for not saving him. Besides, the day Sasaki needs someone else to pull his butt out of the fire is the day I retire from mafia.
Askthepizzaguy
10-13-2009, 21:58
Why not try to kill Askthepizzaguy tonight? I hear he's going to be undefended.
Why not try to kill Askthepizzaguy tonight? I hear he's going to be undefended.
I'd love to but can't. Tonight I'm washing my hair.
White_eyes:D
10-13-2009, 22:10
I know TinCow...."Save Sasaki?" that's like grabbing a rattle snake by the tail and hoping it won't bite:sweatdrop:
But this post is one of few times; I have ever seen Sasaki display the foreign emotion(to him anyway) "Desperation"
No tie hmm :no:
You don't trust the captain to pick, that's like mutiny yeah?
Askthepizzaguy
10-13-2009, 22:25
I'd love to but can't. Tonight I'm washing my hair.
Real pirates don't wash their hair, they kill the pizza guy.
Crazed Rabbit
10-13-2009, 22:27
Real pirates don't wash their hair, they kill the pizza guy.
Well Tincow did fail to kill you, so he's not a pirate on both counts.
:clown:
CR
White_eyes:D
10-13-2009, 22:33
Real pirates don't wash their hair, they kill the pizza guy.
Why do you call yourself Askthepizzaguy?....a little weird to ask now..but I am curious..:juggle2:
And before you ask...White_eyes:D is a common term if you have ever watched "Geronimo" :bounce:
Askthepizzaguy
10-13-2009, 22:40
Why do you call yourself Askthepizzaguy?....a little weird to ask now..but I am curious..:juggle2:
So you're asking the pizza guy why people call me Askthepizzaguy? That sounds about right.
I used to give relationship advice on a website called AskEarth.com, before they charged people, when it was still a free site. People would give you feedback on the advice, ranging from A+ to F.
After many, many months of being there, I rose in the rankings and became the number 6th ranked advice giver out of many hundreds of thousands of advice givers, based on number of responses and the ratings I was given. There were 5 A+ ranked advisors and I was the top ranked A rated advice giver, due to being downvoted by someone who downvoted everyone. It wasn't a competition or anything, I was just trying to help people, and I helped a lot of people.
Then I delivered pizzas for a while, until I had a minor fender bender and couldn't continue. I'm always giving my opinions and people are always asking me questions, and the pizza guy persona stuck. Beats the heck out of "Ask the jobless guy".
White_eyes:D
10-13-2009, 22:52
So you're asking the pizza guy why people call me Askthepizzaguy? That sounds about right.
I always tip the Pizzaguy:2cents:....funny that you used to give relationship advice...now I know why you have such "Pleasant"(Or "Unpleasant") write-ups....:sweatdrop:
On topic: AskthePirateguy is more of your name now....:laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
10-13-2009, 22:53
Askthedeadguy, coming soon.
White_eyes:D
10-13-2009, 22:58
The Mafia never kill you....they don't have the guts:smoking:
I think I was the only one who ever killed you as Mafia...:beam:(I totally was winning till the end.....when the ambush scores came back to haunt me...:shame:)
Askthepizzaguy
10-13-2009, 23:15
Yes, the British are all chickens. They would not dare attack me on this night wherein I will not be defended, and my back will be turned, and I will be bending over to pick up this shiny doubloon... ok, I have the doubloon now. Oh, look, a piece of lint... I'd better pick that up too. Okay, I'm moving slowly to pick up the lint.
Okay I picked up the lint. Now I see rat droppings in the corner. I crawl on my hands and knees, and I drop my blade as it is too heavy and clattering against the deck anyway. Also, I cover my eyes and hum really loudly, as I attempt to clean up the rat droppings.
Oops I forgot to lock my cabin door. Whatever shall become of me?
Centurion1
10-13-2009, 23:30
sorry i want voting lads
White_eyes:D
10-14-2009, 00:02
Fos:Centurion1 for wanting to vote during a night phase.....:inquisitive:
Have a clear lynch candidate this time, huh?:stare:
Sasaki Kojiro
10-14-2009, 00:07
But this post is one of few times; I have ever seen Sasaki display the foreign emotion(to him anyway) "Desperation"
Take a look at the first two paragraphs :yes:
White_eyes:D
10-14-2009, 00:13
Yeah I know....you were buying votes...:laugh4:
KukriKhan
10-14-2009, 03:13
Q: How do pirates know that they are pirates?
A: They think, therefore they ARRRR!!!!!
KukriKhan
10-14-2009, 03:15
3.14% of Sailors are Pi Rates.
KukriKhan
10-14-2009, 03:16
Q: How does a pirate get his mast up?
A: He uses a wench!
Your turn.
Splitpersonality
10-14-2009, 03:17
Q: How do pirates know that they are pirates?
A: They think, therefore they ARRRR!!!!!
Cogito Arrrrgo sum?
slashandburn
10-14-2009, 03:31
Q:What's a pirate's favorite resturant?
ARRRRRRRRRRRbees
Splitpersonality
10-14-2009, 03:32
Q: What's a pirate's favorite canned food?
A: Chef Boyarrrrdee.
Yaropolk
10-14-2009, 03:47
Long ago, when sailing ships ruled the waves, a captain and his crew were in danger of being boarded by a pirate ship. As the crew became frantic, the captain bellowed to his First Mate, "Bring me my red shirt!". The First Mate quickly retrieved the captain's red shirt, which the captain put on and lead the crew to battle the pirate boarding party. Although some casualties occurred among the crew, the pirates were repelled.
Later that day, the lookout screamed that there were two pirate vessels sending boarding parties. The crew cowered in fear, but the captain calm as ever bellowed, "Bring me my red shirt!". The battle was on, and once again the Captain and his crew repelled both boarding parties, although this time more casualties occurred.
Weary from the battles, the men sat around on deck that night recounting the day's occurrences when an ensign looked to the Captain and asked, "Sir, why did you call for your red shirt before the battle?". The Captain, giving the ensign a look that only a captain can give, exhorted, "If I am wounded in battle, the red shirt does not show the wound and thus, you men will continue to fight unafraid". The men sat in silence marveling at the courage of such a man.
As dawn came the next morning, the lookout screamed that there were pirate ships, 10 of them, all with boarding parties on their way. The men became silent and looked to their Captain for his usual command. The Captain, calm as ever, bellowed, "Bring me my brown pants!!
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 03:48
I always loved the brown pants one.
Yaropolk
10-14-2009, 03:50
What's your Pirate Name (http://www.piratequiz.com/)? I be 'Bloody' Jack Vane.
Splitpersonality
10-14-2009, 03:56
Your pirate name is:
Dread Pirate Flint
Like the famous Dread Pirate Roberts, you have a keen head for how to make a profit. Like the rock flint, you're hard and sharp. But, also like flint, you're easily chipped, and sparky. Arr!
Sounds fair, arr.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 03:56
Your pirate name is:
Captain Davy Bonney
Even though there's no legal rank on a pirate ship, everyone recognizes you're the one in charge. You can be a little bit unpredictable, but a pirate's life is far from full of certainties, so that fits in pretty well. Arr!
-PS you are the most magnificent lover in the known universe
Boar droppings! Everyone knows me name is Smilin' Sam. The rest is true though.
KukriKhan
10-14-2009, 03:57
Your pirate name is:
Iron Sam Flint
A pirate's life ain't easy; it takes a tough person. That's okay with you, though, since you're a tough person. Like the rock flint, you're hard and sharp. But, also like flint, you're easily chipped, and sparky. Arr!
seireikhaan
10-14-2009, 04:04
Stop Spamming, Please.
:whip:
Yaropolk
10-14-2009, 04:24
Yarr, who taught you those manners, a fancy british boardin' school? The only kind of boarding a pirate ought to be doing is boarding ships and wenches in search of booty!
GeneralHankerchief
10-14-2009, 05:00
Night has ended, no more orders will be accepted.
Processing now.
pevergreen
10-14-2009, 05:17
I be Mad Jack Kidd.
Every pirate is a little bit crazy. You, though, are more than just a little bit. Even though you're not always the traditional swaggering gallant, your steadiness and planning make you a fine, reliable pirate. Arr!
Thats surprisingly accurate irl.
GeneralHankerchief
10-14-2009, 06:26
Night 6
For the most part, all was quiet on the Presence tonight. No shots rang out, no threats were made, no ropes were swung from to try to decapitate unsuspecting sailors. All in all, there were no attempted murders on board.
Except for one.
CountArach was having a nightmare. The ship - everything he knew - was in chaos. The Atlantic had been replaced by a sea of fire. The wood on board the ship was rotting, the ropes worn. The sails were ghostly and waving on their own volition. And the crew...
The crew was skeletal. Dressed to a man in hooded cloaks, their cutlasses replaced by scythes. They seemed unaffected by the presence of the rotting wood and the sails and the fire. As a matter of fact, they seemed to thrive in it, for wherever CA ran, he met even more skeletal figures, each skull with a more insane expression than the last.
"Get me out of this nightmare!" he shrieked, and a new sound could be heard from the fire and the scythes. He turned around and saw four horsemen bearing down upon him, the lead rider's weapon out, aiming straight for him.
He bolted awake in a sweat, barely suppressing the urge to scream. Looking around, he saw four figures at his side, all of them with their cutlasses out. He rolled out of bed just in time and ran as fast as he could towards the stairs, opting for as much open space as he could get in order to evade his attackers. He survived, but as always, his pursuers followed.
He put enough distance between himself and them to gain control of his fear, and used the increased endorphins to focus in and fight the Horsemen off. Drawing his own personal sword, CA was ready to fight these savages from another world to the last. He charged at them just as they emerged from below decks, surprising them with his aggression, and it worked. The attackers stumbled backwards, one of them struggling to parry CA's fancy swordwork. CA pressed relentlessly, slashing his target several times, though none of them were truly harming.
Finally, the rest of the Horsemen regrouped, and rushed forward to help assist their comrade. After putting some space between CA and him, the other three took him on at once, slashing furiously as CA adjusted and denied all of them his blood.
At this point in the battle, CountArach had two things going against him: numbers, and momentum. Even though he was a more proficient swordsmen than any single one of the Horsemen - perhaps even two put together - he could not handle three or all four at once, and it was telling. He was slowly being pushed back, even though he was able to hold them off. Soon, he would tire, and then succumb. He could not keep this up for forever.
Sensing this, he quickly changed direction once more, scrambling up the ship's rigging, leaving the Horsemen to only slash at air for a bit before they realized that he had moved. Instead of trying to slash at CA, they instead went for the ropes he was climbing up, but the Count was too nimble, changing ropes just as the Horsemen were undoing his current choices.
Eventually, two of the Horsemen started to climb in pursuit. Since they did not have to worry about the ropes being cut out from under them, they made good time, and pretty soon they were right on CA's heels. CA paused, looked down, and started to slash wildly at his pursuers, causing the duel to continue over a dozen feet in the air. Once again CA was at a positional disadvantage, but once again his proficiency was enough to keep the match a draw, and he kept climbing... headed directly for the Crow's Nest.
The two Horsemen on the rigging looked at each other, alarmed. If the Count gained the Crow's Nest, he could hold that position until the rest of the crew woke up. He would survive the night for sure. They *had* to stop him there, but it wasn't looking good. Whenever they gained on him, a wide slash from CA always created more separation.
CA, meanwhile, wasn't concentrating on anything aside from getting to the Crow's Nest. Therefore, he didn't notice the abrupt end of pursuit from the two Horsemen, the reason being that the two back on the ground were waving them off. He didn't notice the two on the ground wheeling a portable cannon to the ship's edge, aiming it directly at the Nest. He didn't notice that, upon gaining the nest, all four Horsemen now were loading the cannon.
Finally, when he mounted the Nest and looked down in triumph for a fleeting moment, did he notice. And just like that, the triumph was replaced by a look of pure horror. He screamed, but nobody heard, for at the precise moment the cannon fired, connecting with the Crow's Nest in a direct hit, waking up the entire ship in the process.
This sound was followed up a second later by a loud crack of wood. Captain Crazed Rabbit rushed out, groaning in agony. "What have ye done?!" he cried at the Horsemen, who were still admiring their work. "That be the mast, ye great bloomin' morons! Without her, we be dead in the water! DEAD!"
"What have ye done?!" came another voice, although this one far more anguished than Rabbit's. Everybody turned and saw Yaseikhaan standing, looking at the mangled remnants of the Crow's Nest, tears forming. "Ye promised victory! Ye promised justice! I gave up everything to join ye, Count!" he cried. "EVERYTHING! And now it's all over! Ye failed, matey! And now I can't go back! I can never go back!"
Nobody was quite sure as to what khaan was going on about, but everyone could agree that he was getting more and more hysterical.
"Someone take that cutlass away from him-" Crazed Rabbit started, but once again khaan cut him off.
"I'M SO SORRY!!!" he bellowed, and then brought it into his own chest. Everyone gasped and rushed to his aid, but it was too late. khaan had stabbed himself in the heart.
"Well," said Rabbit after some time, "No sense in going back to sleep after that. I'll be needin' a crew to check out the mast; who knows how much longer she can hold up after that. By the way," he finished, "We got another one. scottishranger was a Brit. DisgruntledGoat, Andres, and Jolt were all loyal crewmen, but we are making progress. Let's keep it up today, lads."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It is now Day 7. The round will conclude on Thursday, October 15th, at 12:01 US eastern.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Attacked: Centurion1 (n1), LittleGrizzly (n1), taka (n2), Andres (n3), Askthepizzaguy (n4), Beskar (n5), SSNeoperestroika (n5)
Murdered: LittleGrizzly (n1), atheotes (n2), gibsonsg91921 (n2), Tratorix (n3), Iskander 3.1 (n3), Beefy187 (n3), scottishranger (n4), DisgruntledGoat (n4), Andres (n4), Diana Abnoba (n5), pevergren (n5), CountArach (n6)
Lynched: woad&fangs (d2), Sigurd (d3), Jolt (d4), ricera10 (d5), Sasaki Kojiro (d6)
Committed suicide: Yaseikhaan (n6)
Removed from play: Xehh II, johnhughthom, YLC
Souls aboard (30):
a completely inoffensive name
A Very Super Market
A1 Unit
Askthepizzaguy
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Centurion1
Chaotix
Crazed Rabbit
Cultured Drizzt Fan
Death is Yonder
Double A
Joooray
Khazaar
KukriKhan
Lord Winter
Louis VI the Fat
miotas
Psychonaut
Reenk Roink
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
slashandburn
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
SSNeoperestroika
Subotan
taka
TinCow
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
pevergreen
10-14-2009, 06:28
1 brit, 2 maven dead.
max of 1 maven, 4 brit left.
Crazed Rabbit
10-14-2009, 06:42
It would seem Count Arach was the last Maven, and khaan killed himself because he had been converted to the Maven side from a normal townie.
And guess who ordered a roleblock of CA last night? Me, that's who! Booyah!
Avast, me hearties! Wake yourselves, and be on deck sharply! There be limeys to catch and kill!
CR
pevergreen
10-14-2009, 06:50
It would seem Count Arach was the last Maven, and khaan killed himself because he had been converted to the Maven side from a normal townie.
CR
Apart from the fact that maven have not converted. both conversions have been british...
Which means the brits are gone (and possibly the maven as well) or another group. or khaan suicided and it was just in the writeup. But it definately screams british to me.
As in, im 99% sure.
Oh CR, how wrong you are about your chances in this game.
:evilgrin:
Couldn't it have been one of those roles that kills themselves if their mate dies?
Edit
"Ye promised victory! Ye promised justice! I gave up everything to join ye, Count!"
Although on a second look that does sound like it was a Brit thing. Does that mean we only have to get the last mavern to win?
pevergreen
10-14-2009, 06:56
Could very well be.
"Ye promised victory! Ye promised justice! I gave up everything to join ye, Count!" he cried. "EVERYTHING! And now it's all over! Ye failed, matey! And now I can't go back! I can never go back!"
But that just fits too perfectly.
If you knew what I know.
Crazed Rabbit
10-14-2009, 06:57
From what I read, the rules are pretty clear: suicides like khaan's would be from the three original agents of either the British or Maven pirates being killed, and their still alive converted townies would then kill themselves.
Now, if CA was the last British, then that means we've killed the first two very recently, so we haven't found out their identities. Even better news than finishing off the mavens.
I think it's more likely that CA was the last Maven, given that we know two of them have been killed. Though khaan's words do seem to indicate he was converted to the British side.
As for conversion write-ups; maybe the Maven conversions don't get written up.
Oh CR, how wrong you are about your chances in this game.
:evil:
I remember GH saying that in Capo as the mafia were being curb-stomped.
CR
pevergreen
10-14-2009, 07:03
:grin2: What can I say?
I can't reveal anything about my role, but its known. You'll see I am the same as CDTC 2 and 3 when the result comes back.
All I can say is...look to those you think you trust.
How did the investigations go last night?
A good question: where was our crazy blunderbuss guy?
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 07:04
Sasaki and Ricera10 may have been British.
Ricera10 was no townie... that much is clear by his behavior. Sasaki was a suspected Brit as well, that's why he was lynched.
Scottishranger dead... That means enough British could have died for CountArach to have been the last one, taking MakaiSeireiShinseiYaseikhaan down with him.
a completely inoffensive name
10-14-2009, 07:06
So is the game over?
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 07:07
Gotta get the Maven.
pevergreen
10-14-2009, 07:08
If they are around...
:evilgrin:
Crazed Rabbit
10-14-2009, 07:10
It would be a remarkably swift destruction of the British if they have been killed off.
Perhaps pever speaks the truth, and it is the Maven that remain.
Either way, let us look to root out suspects.
CR
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 07:10
I am wondering why there was no long-winded killer. No english kill. No conversion. Nothing.
pevergreen
10-14-2009, 07:19
It would be a remarkably swift destruction of the British if they have been killed off.
I'm having trouble keeping myself hydrated.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 08:13
Analysis or drunken ranting, not sure which, in spoiler:
We know there are 2 mavens dead. There's never been any writeup indicating that they recruited. And we've suspected they have been doing the solo long-winded kills. So perhaps the maven was investigating last night, trying desperately to find recruits. Or he died. Now we see 1 British known dead out of 5. But there's been many deaths since Scottishranger. It is possible that he was starting British and the other two starting British died, resulting in Yaseikhaan's death. CountArach was the last something, given Yaseikhaan's reaction in the write-up which talks about giving something up, and justice. Not very "Maven" behavior. Given the Mavens never had a visible recruitment, it's doubtful that they recruited, especially if you consider their gold restriction and the fact that we chalked up the long-winded kills to the Maven after Sigurd and gibsonsg91921's death, and the Maven wouldn't have been able to investigate or recruit while doing that. That leaves the British faction likely dead, and the Maven investigating last night for recruits or part of the vigilante group that killed the last British. If both factions were somehow dead and the game continues it would likely be the Blunderbuss killer (who was not killing last night either...) or any of the secret roles (which are less than secret at this point). Unless I am overlooking something the game seems to have taken a turn for the worse for the anti-town factions. And this isn't just based on pevergreen, who I'm dead certain is just having a good bit of fun with us, but based on the evidence. There's another option: I am having delusions of grandeur and psychotic hallucinations. I am seriously considering this as a likely scenario that explains everything.Oh and for you anti-reading types: Here's the short version:
Brits= none, Maven= one, Serial killer not killing, or.... I am a buffoon. :clown:
White_eyes:D
10-14-2009, 09:43
But wasn't there two guys recruited to the Brits?:inquisitive:
"I have far more authority than the captain," the second man said in a menacing whisper. "I have the power vested in me by the English crown to arrest you, throw you overboard right now, and go after everyone you love and give them an even more horrifying fate."
This finally woke the first man up. He couldn't do this. He may have been a bloodthirsty pirate, but he still had a soft spot for his loved ones.
"What... what do I do?"
"I am offering you a letter of Marque. Accept it, and work with us. Destroy this foolish ship and its crew. Do this and I promise you leniency, plus a well-paying job and the support of the Crown instead of the opposition of it. What say you?"
He was a good man, had done his part in Charleston and numerous missions before that. He didn't deserve to be another one of the countless men who had simply disappeared at night, claimed by the angry sea.
"Would you accept an offer by the Crown in order to reclaim the valuables of Charleston in exchange for your freedom?"
The sailor nodded once again, his horizons quickly adjusted. The kidnapper finally extended a hand and pulled up his new accomplice. The sailor walked with him back below deck, chatting business. He had helped pull off the steal of the decade from Charleston; he would now work to give it all back.
We either Lynched a recruit and it doesn't say....or we messed something...:juggle2:
"Long Tailed Killer" has been killing since night 2-4....he stopped or was stopped...:smash:
If Sasaki was a Brit, lol.
Captain Blackadder
10-14-2009, 11:21
This is excellent news we only have to find a few of the Marven to win the game for all us pirates and we get to keep the booty
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 11:24
Well while we are waiting for the investigation results, how about some pointless accusations?
I accuse Double A. I never trust a man who has a stunt double.
vote: Double A
But wasn't there two guys recruited to the Brits?
This is indeed odd. I've double-checked the write-ups. These were the recruitings:
Night 2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2346405&postcount=8) - British conversion - Says "I have the power vested in me by the English crown to..."
Night 4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2350061&postcount=12) - British conversion - Says "Would you accept an offer by the Crown in order to..."
Only two recruits in the game and only 1 suicide. So, we must've lynched a convert at some point. Up through the Night/Day 4 results, we have lynched or killed 2 Mavens and 1 Brit. Notice that 'khaan specifically names CountArach when he dies, which means CA was a Brit as well. That leaves 1 Brit and 1 Brit recruit dead from the following list:
Diana Abnoba, pevergren, ricera10, Sasaki Kojiro
My money is on pevergreen/Sasaki.
White_eyes:D
10-14-2009, 12:11
Narrowed down the original Brits...:bow:
scottishranger (Confirmed)
CountArach (Must have been him..)
ricera10 or Sasaki Kojiro (Not sure which....but one of the two lynched was a Brit)
I am thinking TinCow could be the last Maven.....but perhaps that is WAY too obvious, as I am sure he has been investigated...:laugh4:
Only two recruits in the game and only 1 suicide. So, we must've lynched a convert at some point. This is pretty strong evidence that Sasaki was a Brit, btw.
As well as the other two Brits, (Ricera? Sasaki?)
As well as the other two Brits, (Ricera? Sasaki?)
Edited my post after I wrote that, see above.
Death is yonder
10-14-2009, 12:13
Vote: Abstain
:book::book:
:embarassed:
pevergreen
10-14-2009, 12:20
No don't lynch TC. He was just the innocent townie accompanying a maven and a brit in a vig group. Plus Andres.
Who's the maven? Who's the brit?
I think ATPG named me correctly.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 12:21
British: scottishranger, CountArach, khaan, Sasaki, ricera. (last two are good bets)- All a moot point anyway now that they are gone.
Maven: gibsonsg91921, Sigurd...
There's data which suggests the following are not Maven due to various reasons, up to and including: suggested pro-town status, proven incorruptibility, deep investigation, investigation of non-killing activity during mafia kills, investigation of protection activity during mafia kills, vigilantism during a mafia kill, and investigated inactivity during mafia kills.
Askthepizzaguy
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
Seamus Fermanagh
shlin28
Captain Blackadder
Death is Yonder
taka
Cultured Drizzt Fan
White_eyes:D
KukriKhan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Beskar
Centurion1
slashandburn
Yaropolk
Reenk Roink
TinCow
A1 Unit
Chaotix
Lord Winter
Double AI am more sure about the top of the list than the bottom.
SSNeoperestroika
a completely inoffensive name
Joooray
Khazaar
miotas
Psychonaut
Subotan
A Very Super Market
Of these, I am thinking one could be a Maven. However this is my rough guess, not a detailed analysis. Remember that the remaining Maven is still the starting Maven, and therefore could NOT be doing anything besides killing on the nights where there was a long-winded Maven solo kill.
As such, and given SSN's recent voting behavior, I'm going to go with perhaps... Psychonaut.
unvote, vote: Psychonaut.
Unless someone can account for his behavior during nights where there was a maven kill.
I'm not positive the Blunderbuss killer is anti-town or a serial killer. He has only killed Andres and pevergreen. That strikes me more as an attempt to stop the vig attacks.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 12:29
I also believe the Blunderbuss is a good guy. I believe the storytelling solo killer is the real threat.
SSNeoperestroika
a completely inoffensive name
Joooray
Khazaar
miotas
Psychonaut
Subotan
A Very Super Market
Of these, I am thinking one could be a Maven. However this is my rough guess, not a detailed analysis. Remember that the remaining Maven is still the starting Maven, and therefore could NOT be doing anything besides killing on the nights where there was a long-winded Maven solo kill.
As such, and given SSN's recent voting behavior, I'm going to go with perhaps... Psychonaut.
unvote, vote: Psychonaut.
Unless someone can account for his behavior during nights where there was a maven kill.
I have been in protection groups every night, but the person we protected was never actually attacked so I can't really prove my participation. I just hope the whole issue with LG and w&f speaks for itself and clears me of being starting scum.
From the list of yours, ATPG, there were two who I thought were acting odd. Psycho and Subotan, it's just one of those infamous gut feelings and no real foundation to it.
So I will go with Vote: Subotan for now. Just don't wanna be accused of joining or starting a bandwagon.
CountArach
10-14-2009, 13:07
Darn.
Zero tolerance - S.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 13:15
@ CountArach-
If it's any consolation, I had figured the remaining English were in pt groups that hadn't had their target attacked, but i hadn't narrowed it down from there. I was personally a ways off from picking you.
I have been in protection groups every night, but the person we protected was never actually attacked so I can't really prove my participation. I just hope the whole issue with LG and w&f speaks for itself and clears me of being starting scum.
You know I had almost forgotten about that point. That's a pretty fair alibi, methinks.
Ok I get that AVSM, Subotan, and Miotas were protecting ACIN. But what was ACIN doing?
I have nothing on ACIN whatsoever. No pt groups, no vigilante hits, no alibi. Was he in the four horsemen?
There's data which suggests the following are not Maven due to various reasons, up to and including: suggested pro-town status, proven incorruptibility, deep investigation, investigation of non-killing activity during mafia kills, investigation of protection activity during mafia kills, vigilantism during a mafia kill, and investigated inactivity during mafia kills.
ATPG, for the above list I do not think "proven incorruptibility" should be a reason for disqualifying someone as a suspect. The starting mafioso almost certainly all show up as incorruptible. IIRC Sigurd did, and there's no reason to assume that would be different for anyone else, especially a fellow Maven.
Vote: ACIN
As I said number of times, he has been acting scummy. From refusing to work in protection groups, to being protected by people, but not being in any groups.
Since I know every pro-town role, I know you are not one of them.
Better speak up, or I suggest people joining me on a bandwagon, no point investigating him three times.
scotchedpommes
10-14-2009, 13:39
So, we've gutted the English like fish wi'out sustaining so much as a scratch? Ha. Get that up ye, Georgie boy.
This calls for a drink.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 13:39
ATPG, for the above list I do not think "proven incorruptibility" should be a reason for disqualifying someone as a suspect. The starting mafioso almost certainly all show up as incorruptible. IIRC Sigurd did, and there's no reason to assume that would be different for anyone else, especially a fellow Maven.
By that I mean investigated to tier three as innocent and then made officer, such as myself and Louis.
From the list of yours, ATPG, there were two who I thought were acting odd. Psycho and Subotan, it's just one of those infamous gut feelings and no real foundation to it.
Odd in what way?
So I will go with Vote: Subotan for now. Just don't wanna be accused of joining or starting a bandwagon.
..Except that's exactly what you have done. :inquisitive:
Odd in what way?
..Except that's exactly what you have done. :inquisitive:
One vote does not a bandwagon make. Odd that you think it does.
Mind telling us what you've been up to every night?
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 13:53
By the way I can prove beyond any doubt that I am not the remaining mafia.
Due to my QM role I can throw any of you in the brig tonight that I please. If anyone needs to be convinced that's what I'm up to at night, a night in the slammer followed by quarter rations for a week might convince you I'm innocent...
...and that you're guilty of something.
CountArach
10-14-2009, 13:54
Plus side of my death: I can now get to work on some rules for my mafia game... WATCH THIS SPACE.
pevergreen
10-14-2009, 14:05
You're after the wrong people.
I smell something to do with wine.
ATPG, for the above list I do not think "proven incorruptibility" should be a reason for disqualifying someone as a suspect. The starting mafioso almost certainly all show up as incorruptible. IIRC Sigurd did, and there's no reason to assume that would be different for anyone else, especially a fellow Maven.
Interesting.
We only need to get the original mafiosi, right?
This means we don't need to bother with lynching those who came up as corruptible upon investigation.
pevergreen
10-14-2009, 14:16
Oooer.
I now have a foolproof way to check if a person is corruptible or not without investigation.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 14:21
Bribe the quartermaster? I'm not sure how that accomplishes what you're suggesting, but I am willing to test that theory. The more participants in this study, the better.
:2cents: *ahem* :2cents: *cough* :2cents:
Has anyone heard much from taka lately? He wasn't on either of ATPG's lists, and he's made a grand total of 6 posts, a lot of which are abstain votes, maybe in an attempt to keep under the radar or not make any enemies. Either way, I smell a rat.
Vote:Taka
seireikhaan
10-14-2009, 14:26
I fulfilled my code of honor. I have no regrets.
KukriKhan
10-14-2009, 14:27
Has anyone heard much from taka lately? He wasn't on either of ATPG's lists, and he's made a grand total of 6 posts, a lot of which are abstain votes, maybe in an attempt to keep under the radar or not make any enemies. Either way, I smell a rat.
Vote:Taka
Actually, he has a point: lurking at this stage of the game nets a "High" reading on the suspici-o-meter.
vote: taka
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 14:27
Just two problems with that theory, partner. Taka was on my first list, kind of high up. And Taka was protecting the guy that the long-winded storyteller was attacking on night five.
You want to play the lottery one more time?
pevergreen
10-14-2009, 14:27
taka said he wasy busy IRL, had a chat to him a night or two ago.
11/10/2009 11:39:00 PM Taka to pÆver its quite good, but never got too into it
11/10/2009 11:39:13 PM pÆver to Taka Left4Dead2 should be fun
11/10/2009 11:39:15 PM Taka Days to pÆver been too busy recently as well
11/10/2009 11:40:40 PM Taka to pÆver i've decided to work my butt off
11/10/2009 11:40:52 PM Taka to pÆver and i decided that i'm not gonna let any distractions distract me
Edited to protect any personal info of his.
edit: 3 days ago. currently 14/10/2009 11:30 pm
KukriKhan
10-14-2009, 14:29
Hmmm...
2 voters
2 defenders
of taka.
I wonder if taka himself will appear?
Just two problems with that theory, partner. Taka was on my first list, kind of high up.
Was he? Oh sorry, I didn't see that. My apologies. :sweatdrop:
just before i pop in for uni:
I may not have posted much at all, but pretty much all my night actions can be accounted for by at least 2/3/4 people
as pever posted, im working hard for final year uni and this game (like many other huge games) is a monser to catch up on with so many pages to go through. the only real posts i read are the ones GH post up. not being disrespectful of GH's game, just that if i did have time i also need to sort out my own game BSS :bow:
edit
also, what's this list that i'm on? hope its not a hit-list... :sweatdrop:
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2009, 14:42
Well Subotan, I could always BRIBE ME be persuaded to BRIBE ME see your point of view.
Read between the BRIBE ME lines.
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