Non Mafia Game The Thirty Years War [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 2

Ibn-Khaldun

10-27-2009, 20:50

This is the simplest way I can explain battle system. :shrug:
I hope this helps you to understand how battles work in this game.
Naval battles part will be added soon though it uses similar system.

Land Battles
1. If two enemy armies enter adjacent hexes or on the same hex then battle is fought.
2. The battle is fought on a 10*10 hex based map.
Battlemap with deployment areas.
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/battlemap_hex2start.jpg
3. The side(upper or lower) is randomly decided.
4. Default unit placement:
1) 3rd line: Artillery(behind all other units)
2) 2nd line: Pikemen, Infantry
3) 1st line: Musketeers, Arquebusiers(front line units)
4) Wings: Cavalry
5. Unit stat explanation:
1) Fire - distance how far unit can shoot(Field Artillery also reduces Morale).
2) Moves - how many hexes unit can move(Artillery can't move during the battle).
3) Attack - strength of the attack(Cavalry reduces Infantry(except Pikemen,Tercio, Landsknecht, Swiss Pikemen) Morale when they attack)
4) Defence - units defence strength(Pikemen get +1 when attacked by Cavalry)
5) Morale - when it reaches 0 then unit will rout.
6. Battle has Fire/Attack and Move rounds.
7. Battle starts with Fire round when all units with Fire ability shoot the closest enemy unit.
8. Move round - All units(except Artillery) move forward.
9. Fire/Attack round - All units without fire ability will Attack while those who has it use Fire.
10. If two units from one army stand adjacent hexes and attack one unit from the other army then their attack will be merged.
11. The same goes for defence.
12. Infantry unit loses 1 Morale per every 200 dead soldier. Cavalry unit loses 1 Morale per every 100 dead soldier.
13. Army who manages to rout the other one wins the battle.
14. All Players can create their own battle formations but they will be used only when Generals/Rulers lead their Armies.

Retraining
1. Cheap Way- Each turn 100 men will be automatically(without fee) added to every unit that is below their maximum strength.
2. Expensive Way - Pay 1/10 of the unit cost per every 100 soldier.
(Example: Pikemen cost 400$(1/10 is 40$). If that unit needs 200 soldiers you could pay 80$ to bring that unit back into full shape.
3. Retraining don't use order slots.

Siege Battles
1. Attacking army needs Siege Artillery and it must be positioned like this:

Fort(City)|empty hex|Siege Artillery
2. As long as the Siege Artillery remains on it's position then each turn Fort(City) will loose 1 point from it's strength.
3. Default strength of the Fort is 5 and default strength of the city is 2.
4. When the strength of the Fort is reduced, attacker can send Infantry units to attack the fort.
5. In that case, battle, similar to land battle, will follow.
6. The lower the strength of the Fort, the less defensive cannons it has(and the more "holes in the wall" it has).

Naval Battles
1. If two enemy fleets enter adjacent hexes or on the same hex then battle is fought.
2. The battle is fought on a 10*10 hex based map.
Naval Battle map.
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/battlemap_naval_hex1.jpg
3. Before the battle, wind direction is randomly chosen(N, NW, SW, S, SE, NE).
4. If ship moves upwind it receives -2 movement penalty, if downwind then receives +2 movement bonus.
5. Ships are placed on the battlemap just like they were on political map.
6. Ship stat explanation:
1) Moves - how many hexes ship can move.
2) Fire - how far ship can shoot.
3) Hull - strength of the ship.
4) Morale - how many shots crew can put up with before they retreat.
7. Ships can fire only 2 enemy ships per Fire round.
8. Battle starts with Move round and is followed by Move round.
9. The closer the ships, the stronger the shots(Fear the Ship of the Line!).
10. Repairing ships works just like retraining. The only difference is that it's Hull that needs to be repaired.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-27-2009, 23:31

Cool :yes: Good to know. Now all I need is a army :beam: :laugh4::laugh4:

Splitpersonality

10-27-2009, 23:33

Same CDF :P

scottishranger

10-27-2009, 23:35

Is there anyway you could compile all the info into one post? Its hard to jump back and forth between differant pages for rules.

Centurion1

10-27-2009, 23:44

so when does turn end. i sent in orders

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-28-2009, 00:02

King James has an announcement to the general assembly.

The Kingdom of England has chosen to Ally itself with the following nations
Saxony
The Netherlands
Denmark
Poland-Lithuania
Portugal

We Are open to talk with all nations about offers of Trade and other diplomatic niceties. We also want it to be known that we have declared war on the remnants of the Irish rebels. They shall fall before The might of English arms. England is open to give loans to all nations which require them, with no time limit on their pay back. We also do not expect normal Interest as such. Rather we shall take 25% of the loan and expect the full payment plus that to be given back at a time of the nations choosing. Our allies can gain the same such loans for only a 10% increase to original price.

(say you want 2000, I want back 2500 at a time of your choosing. I hope this to be helpful to those nations making little income, but hoping for much greater aspirations. No time limit on paying it back, I am laid back like that. Allies can ask for 4000 and only give back 4400, as in 10% instead of the normal 25%.)

Double A

10-28-2009, 01:14

Ottomans are also giving out loans, at a much larger maximum and smaller interest rate. Requirements include: being Muslim. Muslim countries also need not pay their full loans back, for they need it more than we. All who praise Allah shall be shined upon!

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 01:16

Are there other Muslim factions?:inquisitive:

Askthepizzaguy

10-28-2009, 01:16

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-28-2009, 01:17

Ottomans are also giving out loans, at a much larger maximum and smaller interest rate. Requirements include: being Orthodox, Catholic, or preferably Muslim. Muslim countries also need not pay their full loans back, for they need it more than we. All who praise Allah shall be shined upon!

someone noticed they are the only Muslim faction on the map :beam:

Besides my loans don't even HAVE interest rates. It is you get 2000, I expect back 2500. when you pay it back is up to you, Lump sum, small payments, whatever. Its a very good deal, especially if you are my ally.

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 01:19

saxony will not be giving out any loans. we will accept any gifts however

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-28-2009, 01:28

saxony will not be giving out any loans. we will accept any gifts however

England wishes to voice its support for the unification of Northern Germany under the State of Saxony. It is willing to back the Saxons in this endeavor any any attempt by another nation to disrupt Saxony's attempt at unifying of the area will be considered hostile to England.

scottishranger

10-28-2009, 01:32

England needs to mind its own stinkin' business :clown:

[Language please - GH]

Askthepizzaguy

10-28-2009, 01:37

I understand that England is offering to mind its own business in exchange for a rather large sum of gold...

Double A

10-28-2009, 01:39

Being the only Muslim faction in the game just makes me that much better.

'sides, I got the most hexes in the game. It's not like I even need the freaking interest! I'll give out loans to my allies, whoever they may be, at 0% interest. They probably need it more than me. Unless I go to war with Austria.

Splitpersonality

10-28-2009, 01:42

Poland is wondering why we're all whispering like this, but while we're on topic he's offering gold to anyone, regardless of ties, so long as they promise to pay it back :kiss:

Also, I love the muslim empire, you guys are cool in my book :thumbsup:

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-28-2009, 01:43

England does not like being talked to as if it is not in the room :sad3: :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

ahem England is only taking care of it overseas trade partners, whom we wish to help prosper.

Askthepizzaguy

10-28-2009, 01:44

I should note that Switzerland is opening up its banks to foreign investors. It seems that if you pay money to Switzerland, we will keep it safe for a good long time. Unless you forget your password, in which case, whatever I finds, I keeps.

Chaotix

10-28-2009, 01:44

Denmark would like to say that it is not offering loans to any nation, but will only not offer you a loan if you ask nicely and say "pretty please". All not loans must be not paid back at a not very small interest rate.

Double A

10-28-2009, 01:47

The Ottomans think England can only do overseas trade because it is too weak to take on France again. The reason being that they use gunpowder instead of longbowmen, who are clearly more beastly.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-28-2009, 01:50

The Ottomans think England can only do overseas trade because it is too weak to take on France again. The reason being that they use gunpowder instead of longbowmen, who are clearly more beastly.

( I will remember this when WW1 comes around :brood:)

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 01:51

saxony wishes to remind our great and very close friend england that we do not need him to intercede on our behalf and piss off the swedes. we do however thank you for your positive support :bow:

Greyblades

10-28-2009, 01:51

ahem Enlgnad is only taking care of it overseas trade partners, whom we wish to help prosper.
Spain thinks England should learn to spell it's own name correctly.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-28-2009, 01:52

saxony wishes to remind our great and very close friend england that we do not need him to intercede on our behalf and piss off the swedes. we do however thank you for your positive support :bow:

Just trying to be friendly. :beam: Thats how England acts friendly right? By stepping on everyone toes and causing international incidents.

Splitpersonality

10-28-2009, 01:53

Poland like, totally loves the mellow vibe he's getting from all this slanty text, man...

Just trying to be friendly. Thats how England acts friendly right? By stepping on everyone toes and causing international incidents.

Well that's how they work in the middle east, does that apply to the rest of the world too ;)

Double A

10-28-2009, 01:53

( I will remember this when WW1 comes around :brood:)

ooc: Just so we're clear, M2 > ETW. So therefore longbows > imperial age guns. :2thumbsup:

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 01:53

Just trying to be friendly. :beam: Thats how England acts friendly right? By stepping on everyone toes and causing international incidents.

Well the US doesn't exist yet, someone needs to do it...

Double A

10-28-2009, 01:54

I nominate Switzerland.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-28-2009, 01:54

Spain thinks England should learn to spell it's own name correctly.

:whip: everyone's a critic.... Man am I tired...... :juggle2: this is probably about the time I should go to bed. when you start spelling England wrong you know your sleep cycle is messed up.

Double A

10-28-2009, 01:55

And with daylight savings right around the corner, who knows what would happen next?

KarlXII

10-28-2009, 01:56

*Watching idly and wondering if we can throw another German state into the mix

:2thumbsup:

Good game to read so far.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-28-2009, 01:56

And with daylight savings right around the corner, who knows what would happen next?

You know what is annoying. my alarm clock has already gone on daylight saving time :shame: and I am too laze to turn it back. I wake up and think I am on time, but really I am a hour early.

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 01:57

We already had that over in the UK, really freaked me out during Asktheswissguys speed mafia, I thought I'd gone back in time. :no:

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 02:00

no karl no more german states, we are already to crowded. :clown:

seriously though you should get like venice or some sort of italian state.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-28-2009, 02:01

We already had that over in the UK, really freaked me out during Asktheswissguys speed mafia, I thought I'd fone back in time. :no:

My clock was probably made there or something, cause it does not happen here for another 4 days...... :dizzy2:

also.

Well the US doesn't exist yet, someone needs to do it...

Exactly! And I nominate myself! Get ready world I am here to ruin any attempts at diplomatic niceties! :beam: Until the USA comes around it is my civic duty!

Not sure why Spain does not like me, I mean come on, we broke your ships, time to get over it. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Don't take either of these comments seriously. :brood: I think I may be getting delirious. I knew those eggs probably were not good...... :shame:

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 02:05

saxony is willing to speak with all nations and is excited to see what sort of arrangements we may come to

KarlXII

10-28-2009, 02:06

no karl no more german states, we are already to crowded. :clown:

seriously though you should get like venice or some sort of italian state.

I got it!

The Pope.

Seriously, though, I would probably sit well with Venice/Milan.

Splitpersonality

10-28-2009, 02:07

You guys can have the US, so long as France allows me to send people to their northern (read: cold) territories, I'll be okay.

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 02:08

Hey! Karl! Keep your filthy hands off Italy! It will be mine!:furious3:

Only kidding, a new player in Italy would be a good idea actually. :2thumbsup:

A Very Super Market

10-28-2009, 02:13

If you're in the North, Austria bullies you, if you're in the South, Spain bullies you.

Clearly, you can't win.

Bohemia is in the middle of it all and damn proud of it. :snobby:

Double A

10-28-2009, 02:15

Algeria, maybe? Or perhaps Corsica?

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 02:16

Bohemia is in the middle of it all and damn proud of it. :snobby:

Looks at map of Europe.

Hmmmm, Bohemia, Bohemia, hmmmm. Who on earth is Bohemia?

Double A

10-28-2009, 02:17

They emerge next turn.

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 02:18

Well obviously my joke has gone over Turkey's head, we all know Turks have no sense of humour.

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 02:21

yeah i thought pope. But that would be unfair as this is the thirty years war, which was a big religious conflict. Venice would be perfect or maybe like corsica to balance out muslims. Of course up to ibn in the end

Askthepizzaguy

10-28-2009, 02:22

We already had that over in the UK, really freaked me out during Asktheswissguys speed mafia, I thought I'd gone back in time. :no:

My Speed Mafia games tend to have side effects. Sorry, you should read the label more clearly. :laugh4:

Double A

10-28-2009, 02:28

Well obviously my joke has gone over Turkey's head, we all know Turks have no sense of humour.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Besides spelling humor wrong :clown:

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 02:31

Take your nonsensical rantings here Turkey. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=122588

Double A

10-28-2009, 02:31

We could actually add Prussia since they were around before the start of this (which is from 1618 to 1648)

Take your nonsensical rantings here Turkey. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=122588

"Double A, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons..."

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 02:33

Oh, it's a backroom thread. Not surprised backward Turks aren't allowed in there! :laugh4:

I have no idea what you're talking about.

No, international diplomacy is much too subtle for you I guess.

Double A

10-28-2009, 02:34

:brood:

Askthepizzaguy

10-28-2009, 02:35

Could someone do me a favor

Send me a copy of the orders you guys are sending (with the actual details and specifics censored for your privacy) so I know what my orders are supposed to look like.

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 02:37

no no more gemran powers, its too freaking crowded. i think ibn has started a write up or something. Maybe karl could be some sort of emergent power? (in the south!)

oh and im going to change my avatar to match my nation state. (even though im terribly attached to my lovely spartan)

[Language please - GH]

Splitpersonality

10-28-2009, 02:39

Could someone do me a favor

Send me a copy of the orders you guys are sending (with the actual details and specifics censored for your privacy) so I know what my orders are supposed to look like.

No problem, I'll forward you what I sent to Ibn, though I'll have you know I went a LITTLE overboard. :P

A Very Super Market

10-28-2009, 02:41

Brandenburg-Prussia was not terribly powerful at this point in time. :shrug:

Though Saxony's position is closer to Brandenburg's....

Double A

10-28-2009, 02:42

Neither is Saxony, but they're in as a 3 hex state.

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 02:43

:brood:

Aww. Savoy is very sorry for any insult it may have caused to Turkey. We know you must feel very uncivilized compared to us more advanced nations. We will try not to hurt your feelings in future.

miotas

10-28-2009, 02:43

Portugal would like to let all know that we are open to trade from anyone.

Also, Portugal has just realised how fitting it is that spL1tp3r50naL1ty is Poland-Lithuania

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 02:45

YOU WATCH YOUR MOUTH HERETIC SWINE!!!! I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS FROM ONE SUCH AS YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!

plus were gonna get bigger :whip:

Double A

10-28-2009, 02:52

Of course, I will try not to offend the small insecure state that could still fit inside Ireland if they triple their size this turn in the future.

Splitpersonality

10-28-2009, 02:53

Portugal would like to let all know that we are open to trade from anyone.

Also, Portugal has just realised how fitting it is that spL1tp3r50naL1ty is Poland-Lithuania

*Poland-Lithuania takes a rather grandiose bow*

Finally, someone recognizes my genius.

Portugal is now alright by me

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 02:56

and who has powerful friends.

Double A

10-28-2009, 03:05

Well, I know all the guys that you'd get to come after me, and they like me better than you.

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 03:05

Turkey, it feels wrong calling you that. Can we be friends if I call you Ottoman Empire, it does sound more impressive.

Double A

10-28-2009, 03:08

Ottoman Empire responds:

OH YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Language please - GH]

Greyblades

10-28-2009, 03:12

Are you two quite done?

Double A

10-28-2009, 03:14

Sure :clown:

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 03:17

Get lost Spain, it's rude butting in to other conversations. :clown:

White_eyes:D

10-28-2009, 03:18

My guess is that everyone has some land claims in mind?:laugh4:

I know me and the Swedes will face off....as long as they hold Novgorod Territory:inquisitive:

White_eyes:D

10-28-2009, 03:28

I am not declaring war on Sweden over this:laugh4:

We need to declare war in-thread, so you guys can't sneak attack sadly:shame:....I had to declare war on the lifeless barren wastes of Russia:laugh4:

Edit: Too much territory to cover anyway...:shrug:

miotas

10-28-2009, 03:29

Portugal's only interests lie in trade and the new world, although if our close friends the English are invaded we will do our best to help drive back the invaders.

White_eyes:D

10-28-2009, 03:31

I don't get why anyone would invade England...:shrug:

I can see Portugal....but England?:laugh4:

Splitpersonality

10-28-2009, 03:32

Maybe they really enjoy lots and lots of rain.

Double A

10-28-2009, 03:43

Rain is better than sand and being constantly invaded by horsemen and elephants throughout your history

Splitpersonality

10-28-2009, 03:46

Rain is better than sand and being constantly invaded by horsemen and elephants throughout your history

Well, you will escape such a fate in this game.

Insha'Allah ;)

Chaotix

10-28-2009, 04:50

I suppose this is what happens when you leave a bunch of crazy people pretending to be 17th Century countries in a room together.

:laugh4:

Csargo

10-28-2009, 05:04

I suppose this is what happens when you leave a bunch of crazy people pretending to be 17th Century countries in a room together.

:laugh4:

pretend??? PRETEND!!!!! THIS IS

https://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2661/seriousbusinesspolice.jpg

Double A

10-28-2009, 05:18

pretend??? PRETEND!!!!! THIS IS

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=2717&pictureid=28237

Fixed :tongue2:

miotas

10-28-2009, 05:55

I'm not crazy, it's the other 6.5b people who are...

Ibn-Khaldun

10-28-2009, 08:45

Is there anyway you could compile all the info into one post? Its hard to jump back and forth between differant pages for rules.

All that info+some more was added to the first post. I'll try to maintain some sort of FAQ there. ~:)

so when does turn end. i sent in orders

It would be good if all Orders are sent to me in the next couple of hours. If I already have them then I'll announce it and start working with your PM's. :yes:

Are there other Muslim factions?:inquisitive:

No, there is just one. Turkey or you can call them Ottoman Empire.. take your pick.

*Watching idly and wondering if we can throw another German state into the mix

:2thumbsup:

Good game to read so far.

If you want to join then perhaps you join on Turn 2.
Creating another country would delay the write-up and the start of new turn. :shame:
So, You were interested starting as Milan/Venice?

GeneralHankerchief, I apologize for all the extra work you had to do. I refer to all these [Language please] messages in this thread. :sweatdrop:

Now, I will go and check all these PM's....:wall:

[EDIT]Haven't received orders from Subotan

Ibn-Khaldun

10-28-2009, 14:45

This turn is over. I'll post the write up and start the next turn tomorrow.

Those, who I asked to clarify some parts of their Orders please send your PM's sometime today(this goes for you too Subotan:whip:).

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 15:01

saxony welcomes all religions in its territories and promises that all will be treated equally be ye catholic, protestant, orthodox, or even heretical muslims

miotas

10-28-2009, 15:13

saxony welcomes all religions in its territories and promises that all will be treated equally be ye catholic, protestant, orthodox, or even heretical muslims

You say that now, but what about when your PO is taking hits from those 3 catholic provinces that border your territories?

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 15:17

to be honest i havent even really begun thinking about po yet. need to request the map from ibn..... do it after this phase because he is so busy

Ibn-Khaldun

10-28-2009, 15:29

You should read about PO in the first post.
Go to Useful Information->How does Public Order work?.
I have explained what will reduce and what will increase PO.
However, there are still some events (that either increase or reduce it) that I can't reveal yet.
If you want to be prepared for those(and other events) I suggest you read a bit about The Thirty Years War and about your country. ~:)

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 15:38

lol im reading all about it right now

miotas

10-28-2009, 16:02

Hmmm... I see we can have purely defensive alliances.

scotchedpommes

10-28-2009, 18:01

And all was quiet.

[Before this kicks off, I would like to take a moment to declare my appreciation of the word "defenestration".]

miotas

10-28-2009, 18:12

Presumably you refer to the manure incedent at Prague Castle :laugh4:

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 18:38

cant wait to see what everyone was up to last phase. Oh by the way, i think after the writeup has been posted we should publicly declare our trade partners and our allies

Askthepizzaguy

10-28-2009, 18:59

I can tell you what I was up to:

Several rounds of back and forth with the host trying to figure out how to send my orders in properly. Then I negotiated for some land and I had to re-send my orders all over again.

If the other nations don't kill me I'm probably going to commit hara kiri due to the sheer frustration of attempting to handle all the complexities of this game. Meanwhile, other nations have already gotten the hang of it.

All I want to know is where is the "conquer everything" button. It appears to be missing from my keyboard.

scotchedpommes

10-28-2009, 19:05

Presumably you refer to the manure incedent at Prague Castle :laugh4:Couldn't possibly claim to know of any such occurrence, though I will offer a nod to our Protestant brothers in Bohemia, as noble as they are.

johnhughthom

10-28-2009, 19:25

Presumably you refer to the manure incedent at Prague Castle :laugh4:

The alleged manure incident at Prague Castle. Personally I think the story is a load of horsedung.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-28-2009, 21:53

Ibn told me these were beautiful.

Orders:

1. mekka mekka high
2. hiddi hi hi ho
3. Rock
4. you like
5. a
6. hurricane

First port already on the map should be named awesome.

Cost in all, gah$. So meh$ left

Trade rights:
gah
blah
nahh
meh
boo

Alliances:
boomeh
slov

Other stuff:

Obviously I changed my orders with random comments, but this is a good outline to go by

if you are trying to build a city then simply put,

Build City in awesome Territory, Hex 6. Name of the city is Awesomeland

again, details changed :beam: hope this helps you guys, it might not.

White_eyes:D

10-28-2009, 22:48

I named my city...."Borish":laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Man, I am broke now....:sweatdrop::sweatdrop:

At least I will be raking in the cash, after this turn:beam:

Centurion1

10-28-2009, 23:38

who are you again, white eyes?

Beskar

10-28-2009, 23:43

He is the Russian Bear, who wants to give you a big hug and for you to embrace the love of Mother Russia.

Centurion1

10-29-2009, 00:00

bah dont talk to me about being to small and not making enough money..... im three squares darn you, three squares!!!!!!!!!

White_eyes:D

10-29-2009, 00:02

Yeah..but I say the Swiss has it the roughest:laugh4: At least you can expand into Northern Germany:book:

Double A

10-29-2009, 00:28

bah dont talk to me about being to small and not making enough money..... im three squares darn you, three squares!!!!!!!!!

That's very interesting, because all of my territories are in hexes.

Splitpersonality

10-29-2009, 00:30

That's very interesting, because all of my territories are in hexes.

Hmmm... Vote: Centurion1

He's obviously scum, him and his square territories.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-29-2009, 00:31

Hmmm... Vote: Centurion1

He's obviously scum, him and his square territories.

Vote: Centurion

I am Third on the bandwagon :laugh4::laugh4:

Ibn-Khaldun

10-29-2009, 00:58

[Why I didn't learned bookkeeping when I had the chance?!]:wall:

Askthepizzaguy

10-29-2009, 01:21

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

WIFOM is scummy. You WIFOM'ed in this very post. SCUMMY!!!

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-29-2009, 01:28

Vote: Centurion

I am Third on the bandwagon :laugh4::laugh4:

Vote: CDF
that is only the second vote on Centurion you scum! :inquisitive:

[Why I didn't learned bookkeeping when I had the chance?!]:wall:

:sweatdrop: Yeah, must be some complicated math behind this game.

White_eyes:D

10-29-2009, 01:47

No....it's pretty Basic...The problem is doing all that accounting-type work for free:no:

If I was not playing, I would have helped you...:shrug:

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-29-2009, 11:10

Ohh I have another question. The manual says it costs 200 to convert a hex if you have a army there. how much does it cost to do it without a army?

Beskar

10-29-2009, 14:05

I am guessing "converting" involves killing lots of people. It was that time period, afterall.

Centurion1

10-29-2009, 15:45

so you can convert squars to your religion?

Ibn-Khaldun

10-29-2009, 18:10

Ohh I have another question. The manual says it costs 200 to convert a hex if you have a army there. how much does it cost to do it without a army?

Normally, you can't convert without an army.
There are some leaders with certain ability and controlling certain regions makes it cheaper.

so you can convert squars to your religion?

Yes, you can.

I hope I can post the write-up today. Miscalculated some countries income because not all of you confirmed trade agreement with the others. So, I'm going through all these "financial records" again.

Oh.. by the way.. just to make you wait this upcoming turn.. In July 1618 first battle will be fought..
Who will fight against who will remain secret for now. ~;)

Beskar

10-29-2009, 18:10

Yes, it is said in the rules.

Orders
1. Move Royal army north 2 hexes.
2. Build City in Aquitane on hex 4
3. Send spy to Austria to Gather Info on their Economy.
4. Increase Royal Court
5. Recruit new General
6.Convert Region – Provence

1 Move/Attack Army/Fleet to/on hex(?) (Forage that hex or not)
2 Build City/Port/Fort to hex (?) (You can name them if you want)
3 Convert hex (?) in (Name) Province
4 Increase Royal Court
5 Recruit General/Admiral (You can name him if you want)
6 Send Spy to (Kingdom) to Gather Info on their Economy/Diplomacy/Military/Politics Priority:(1-5)
7 Send Spy to (Kingdom) to Incite Rebellion in (Province) on hex(?) Priority:(1-5)
8 Send Spy to (Kingdom) to Assassinate (Name) Priority:(1-5)

Ibn-Khaldun

10-29-2009, 18:14

6.Convert Region – Provence

Only if you control certain region you can use this option.
I should have kept this part(that it's possible to convert entire region) a secret, though. :shame:

miotas

10-29-2009, 18:45

Maybe you should have kept quiet, I didn't realise until you just mentioned it :laugh4:

Centurion1

10-29-2009, 18:48

i hope no one attacked me....... that would be rather cruel and honestly unwise

Beskar

10-29-2009, 19:06

Maybe you should have kept quiet, I didn't realise until you just mentioned it :laugh4:

Same, I automatically assumed Hex. You just shot yourself in the foot.

Centurion1

10-29-2009, 23:44

so when is this majestic write up coming..... i cant wait.

Double A

10-30-2009, 00:24

Friggin been waiting since I sent orders in for the first time!

And it only got worse the next 6 times. When it hit 11 I was really on the edge of my seat.

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 00:56

we have to publicly declare war on other players in thread correct? before the turn is over so they can arrange their defenses?

Beskar

10-30-2009, 01:00

Yes.

So who has declared war on who? Otherwise, I can't see anyone fighting.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-30-2009, 01:02

I did no fighting, so wasn't me :yes:

Also, patience is a virtue :bow: good things come to those who wait. For me at least this time is spent planning my numerous contingency plans for the upcoming round. :batman:

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 01:02

im just asking for future reference and because ibn mentioned that there would be the first battle.

probably some dispute over a hex claimed by two people....... so nothing serious.

Double A

10-30-2009, 01:03

Beskar

10-30-2009, 01:06

Knowing my luck, it is Spain.:inquisitive:

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-30-2009, 01:08

I already have the next 3 rounds planed out in advance, in several different ways.

Same, :yes:, although for me it is more like 5. (which is ridiculous, and seems to assume nothing else goes on in the world :tongue:. suffice to say it will be out of date soon). as well as the names of my future generals and the composition of their armies. :laugh4: as well as the cost of the upkeep of said armies and fleets.

Plus a contingency in case a worst case scenario happened this turn. :juggle2:

Askthepizzaguy

10-30-2009, 01:10

I'm still trying to figure out what I did last round.

Beskar

10-30-2009, 01:12

I haven't got 5 orders in advance since I am in central Europe, and when you are surrounded by Spain, France, Austria, Denmark, Switzerland and Saxony. You can't assume they will not go marching into your lands..

Double A

10-30-2009, 01:12

Same, :yes:, although for me it is more like 5. (which is ridiculous, and seems to assume nothing else goes on in the world :tongue:. suffice to say it will be out of date soon). as well as the names of my future generals and the composition of their armies. :laugh4: as well as the cost of the upkeep of said armies and fleets.

Plus a contingency in case a worst case scenario happened this turn. :juggle2:

I've got too much money to worry about upkeep :toff:

No but seriously, if I didn't have midterms for the past 2 days AND have rehearsal till 7, I would have at least 4 more turns planned out :laugh4:

Ibn-Khaldun

10-30-2009, 01:13

we have to publicly declare war on other players in thread correct? before the turn is over so they can arrange their defenses?

Yes, you have to declare war in this thread and yes to the second question too.

Sry for making you wait. I'll post the write-up now.
Will send out PM's too.

so when is this majestic write up coming..... i cant wait.

It's not as "majestic" as I wanted. Had to leave some part out of it out since I realized that could reveal too much what people had done with their kingdoms.

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 01:16

hey trust me itll be majestic no matter how bare bones it is

and beskar i thought we weere tight, maybe you wouldnt worry about me if you answered my pm's.....

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 01:20

Knowing my luck, it is Spain.:inquisitive:

I'll have you know I am not stupid enough to peeve off England and Portugal, and give France a reason to take back it's two hexes, in the first turn.

Beskar

10-30-2009, 01:21

:bounce:

Ibn-Khaldun

10-30-2009, 01:30

-Year 1618-
from January to June
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/1818n079.jpg
Year started just like any other year before it. The same religious problems, scandals and intrigues. However, careful observer could notice changes in Europe. Keywords to describe those months could be expansion and contraction boom.

In spite the cold weather and constant rain king James I ordered to renew the look of London and Inverness and to build large port in the Faroe Islands for Transatlantic trade. Politically they found themselves in a difficult spot. They had promised to back Saxony on their way to unify the Northern Germany but Dutch armies in the same time had conquered couple of small states there already. This most certainly will make life in that region more interesting.

While the French were quiet the Spanish were busy. They repaired many ports to bring more wealth to Felipe III. However, news from Portugal made him a bit troubled. Duke John IV Braganza had repaired one of the border forts and it seemed that he was planning to go even further. Perhaps he would try to call himself King of Portugal? Feeling threatened, Felipe III sent one of his army towards the Portuguese border.

In Italy, Savoy had got itself into trouble when their ruler Charles Emmanuel I used the name „Turkey“ to describe Ottoman Empire. Sultan Osman II responded to that with his insults. While they were sending curses and insults to each other, the Swiss, in north, were expanding fast. Promising prosperity and protection to smaller Southern German states they tripled their size in six months. They also invaded Milan in order to secure their southern border and received Spanish provinces in Provence, France.

The Swiss were not the only ones who increased their territories, though. Ottomans invaded Wallachia and within few months they had seized the whole country. Muscovy, or Tsardom of Russia, brought Ryazan under it's control and Denmark unified Norway. Even Saxony and Poland-Lithuania gained some new provinces.

While all these events were happening some people in Bohemia were plotting a revolt. In May they started it by throwing two Austrian governors out of window in Prague. Soon the whole region threw off the Habsburg yoke and gathered behind a man called Jan Tabor. He was elected to lead Bohemian army until their future ruler could lead them. Having rather large army under his command, Jan Tabor, moved south to threaten Habsburg homelands. This was a mistake, though. Austrian general Tilly had moved north to stop any Bohemian incursions and on the first days of July a battle will be fought between those two armies...

The map:
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/30YW_kingdoms_turn2.jpg

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 01:42

saxony wants to discuss with the swedes what it will take to own those two hexes on the mainland. We offer anything you may want within our power.

netherlands, you push our limits, you are not even diplomatically cordial and you insist on claiming lands that belong to the saxon people.

Beskar

10-30-2009, 01:50

OOC: Wow, how did Switzerland push their borders like so?

IC: Don't use threats, Saxony. It reflects poorly on yourself.

A Very Super Market

10-30-2009, 01:58

Austria, I demand an immediate reversal of your discrimination against Protestants. Bohemia will remain tolerant, and you will stop your attempts to indoctrinate us to your tactics of "conversion"

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 01:59

i dont make idle threats beskar.

and swiss used up all their moves to do that. Maybe it will prove wise in the long run, maybe not.

Ibn-Khaldun

10-30-2009, 02:02

OOC: Wow, how did Switzerland push their borders like so?

IC: Don't use threats, Saxony. It reflects poorly on yourself.

They recruited mercenaries and used all their moves to capture those hexes.
Also, they got 2 hexes from Spain.

scottishranger

10-30-2009, 02:03

That pesky Pizza

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 02:04

spainards gave them those hexes....... crap

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 02:04

It's kinda amusing that everyone was worried about me Big bad Spain going ape**** & invading everyone, and it turns out its the titchy countries running around attacking everything in sight.

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 02:10

i attacked no one, i simply incorporated uh numerous peoples, it was perfectly consensual.

you are obviously trying to make about a million bajillion gold with that many ports.

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 02:12

24000 actually.

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 02:13

i dont know your fancy schmancy mathmatics we saxons learn important things like fighting

miotas

10-30-2009, 02:14

Portugal would like to inform Spain that we have no hostile intentions, we were just making sure that anyone, not specifically you, who has hostile intentions towards us will have as hard a time as possible getting their troops within our borders. Plus, here in Portugal we're all about making money, and jeopardising our trade agreement would be contrary to that goal :bow:

Crazed Rabbit

10-30-2009, 02:15

Good luck running this, Ibn-Khaldun. Should be fun to watch!

CR

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 02:17

@Centurion: You need to keep your men fed if you want to fight, and if you want to keep them fed you need money.

White_eyes:D

10-30-2009, 02:20

The Tsar is not pleased with Sweden putting troops near our border..

Build a fort don't get it set-up like an invasion....I may need to militarize near there now:inquisitive:

Csargo

10-30-2009, 02:27

Austria, I demand an immediate reversal of your discrimination against Protestants. Bohemia will remain tolerant, and you will stop your attempts to indoctrinate us to your tactics of "conversion"

I demand you lay down your arms and surrender and I will only punish you a little.

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 02:29

@greyblades, i know :wink:

really a good move on your part to be honest not like you really need anymore land.....

Csargo

10-30-2009, 02:29

I'm still trying to figure out what I did last round.

ATPG feinting ignorance while he takes over the whole map :dizzy2:

Askthepizzaguy

10-30-2009, 02:30

I understand France has an objective to get the hexes I just got from Spain. I can't realistically hold these territories so I am amenable to giving them to France for next to nothing, presuming it keeps me on good terms with France.

Switzerland wants land so we aren't a tiny dot, but we don't seek war.

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 02:30

That and the only place I can take without fighting someone I dont want to fight will probably get me excomunicated.

Chaotix

10-30-2009, 02:32

Yeah, really. ATPG is gonna go Blitzmaster on us if we're not careful. :laugh4:

Oh, and I am in agreement with Russia. Sweden's troops are getting a little too close to foreign borders... :brood:

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 02:34

dont think the pope factors into this game.......

and pizza, dont give the lands up for nothing.....

Askthepizzaguy

10-30-2009, 02:37

ATPG feinting ignorance while he takes over the whole map :dizzy2:

Yep. :laugh4: Swissland will conquer all.

(kidding)

I don't give up land for NOTHING. I am hoping France will protect me from evil.

Splitpersonality

10-30-2009, 02:38

White_eyes, I would like to ask you to trust my armies on your southern border, I will infringe none on your land, and if our troops should happen to attempt to acquire the same spot, I would like to ask that we talk it out before doing battle :bow:

A Very Super Market

10-30-2009, 02:38

Pope's been powerless for years. You all know it, even Spain.

scottishranger

10-30-2009, 02:38

Yeah, really. ATPG is gonna go Blitzmaster on us if we're not careful. :laugh4:

Oh, and I am in agreement with Russia. Sweden's troops are getting a little too close to foreign borders... :brood:

What???:juggle2::clown:

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 02:40

Pope's been powerless for years. You all know it, even Spain.

Seeing as this is mainly a war over religion I dont think attacking the grand poobah is a good idea.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-30-2009, 02:41

England has little to comment on at this time, this has been a good year! A wonderful time for all nations.

we offer a hardy cheer to Bohemia in its fight for independence!

King James

A Very Super Market

10-30-2009, 02:45

Ah right, Greyblades,you are Spain, correct? Perhaps you can quell those moslems that keep bothering you instead.

Double A

10-30-2009, 02:47

Ah right, you are Spain, correct? Perhaps you can quell those moslems that keep bothering you instead.

A message is sent to the Very Super Market of Bohemia to mind their own freaking business

scottishranger

10-30-2009, 02:48

No one expects the Spanish Inquistition!

Double A

10-30-2009, 02:56

Ha! I can bribe the inquisitors!

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1047&pictureid=9012

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 02:58

saxony wishes to mediate any conflict there may be between his large northern neighbors

Ibn-Khaldun

10-30-2009, 03:32

All PM's have been sent.

Btw, I will add links to all Chapters to the first post.

Seeing as this is mainly a war over religion I dont think attacking the grand poobah is a good idea.

No, Pope is not in game.

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 03:41

No, Pope is not in game.

called it

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 03:44

Oh, well, something to work at I guess.

miotas

10-30-2009, 03:49

Ibn, would I be able to get a copy of my economic and PO maps? I'd like to see where I stand after all my construction last turn.

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 03:50

im sort of surprised savoy didnt try to expand at all......

Double A

10-30-2009, 04:46

Maybe they did, but Pizza blocked them off before they could try.

And seriously, if you put your port 1 hex NE you could have traded with 2 regions. FAILURE.

White_eyes:D

10-30-2009, 04:47

I am stinking Rich now..:toff:

And me and Sweden have an agreement..:shakehands:

miotas

10-30-2009, 05:06

Portugal now has trade agreements with England, Spain, Denmark, Poland-Lithuania and Austria and we have sent emissarys to Savoy requesting trade.

If France, The Ottomans, Sweden, The Netherlands or Saxony are planning on building ports we would also like to discuss trade with you. All involved in these trade agreements look set to become quite rich. :thumbsup:

Double A

10-30-2009, 05:08

You have to border sea regions before you can trade with anyone. The only region you touch has Spain to both sides.

That's a no-go, unless you pull a "vanilla" and invade Ireland.

White_eyes:D

10-30-2009, 05:10

miotas

10-30-2009, 05:18

You have to border sea regions before you can trade with anyone. The only region you touch has Spain to both sides.

That's a no-go, unless you pull a "vanilla" and invade Ireland.

If for example Portugal sign Trade agreement with England then both of them get 25% from what ever the other kingdom makes.

England and Portugal have no bordering sea regions yet can trade.

Double A

10-30-2009, 05:29

Oh didn't know that

Askthepizzaguy

10-30-2009, 05:35

I'm bordering tons of sea regions, so I can trade with everyone?

miotas

10-30-2009, 05:56

Sure, just build a port and I'll be happy to trade...

A Very Super Market

10-30-2009, 06:14

Bohemia is landlocked, but mark my words, we will find a way to get to the sea! We will invent rivers, most likely!

Otherwise, we will force a path through Austria unless they give us our independence!

Ibn-Khaldun

10-30-2009, 10:44

Trade doesn't give much money I notice....:juggle2:

My land mass and city's give me way more cash....I think for someone like Portugal trade is really good.....but I would hate to be next to Spain:sweatdrop:

Since you are landlocked. Conquer some hexes bordering the sea and build port. Then you will see that trade is really worth it.

Ibn, would I be able to get a copy of my economic and PO maps? I'd like to see where I stand after all my construction last turn.

I'll send them soon.
I also made PO maps color coded. Much easier to track PO changes and much easier to make PO maps.

EDIT: Could someone tell me were those last turn report PM's easy to read? Or were they too complicated?
I want to make them as simple as I can so that you, players, could enjoy the diplomatic side of the game and not get overwhelmed by the information you receive with each report.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-30-2009, 10:58

Since you are landlocked. Conquer some hexes bordering the sea and build port. Then you will see that trade is really worth it.

I'll send them soon.
I also made PO maps color coded. Much easier to track PO changes and much easier to make PO maps.

EDIT: Could someone tell me were those last turn report PM's easy to read? Or were they too complicated?
I want to make them as simple as I can so that you, players, could enjoy the diplomatic side of the game and not get overwhelmed by the information you receive with each report.

I would love an updated copy, :yes: if possible. :bow:

edit: I thought they were very simple to understand. I liked the format of them actually. :yes:

johnhughthom

10-30-2009, 13:51

im sort of surprised savoy didnt try to expand at all......

More interested in trade and diplomatic maneuvering, however nations moving into my sphere of influence despite having no grounds to be there may well make me raise my military capabilities...

Centurion1

10-30-2009, 16:39

saxony understands ports but we had more important things to do. We notice the stinking moslems made no ports or cities

Askthepizzaguy

10-30-2009, 17:54

More interested in trade and diplomatic maneuvering, however nations moving into my sphere of influence despite having no grounds to be there may well make me raise my military capabilities...

:shrug:

As far as I know you made no public claim to the land, and it wasn't owned by anyone. If you didn't want to negotiate with me over the land, sign a peace accord, a trade agreement, or even stake a claim, it doesn't make much sense to me that you'd use this as an excuse to raise a big army. No one would see any aggression here as legitimate, so perhaps instead of threats (tactful and understated though they may be :bow:) we could discuss what is troubling you. I do have grounds to be there as it was unclaimed territory, first come first served. And I didn't expand all the way south to get a port like I wanted to do, I expanded radially and in all directions, as you can see. It wasn't intended to slight you.

If you are concerned with the unit of Swiss armed forces that is presently on your border, that is simply a result of their staking a land claim and it so happens that is the final hex they captured. I can offer my guarantee here publicly and to all nations that I give my word, they are not there to create hostilities.

johnhughthom

10-30-2009, 18:01

And seriously, if you put your port 1 hex NE you could have traded with 2 regions. FAILURE.

Call me silly but I put my port and city where they were historically. If everybody else wants to do things like have English ports in the Faroes, or having Switzerland go off on a random landgrab that's up to them, simply not how I enjoy playing games like this.

edit: just realised how this sounds, not having a go at you CDF or Atpg, I genuinely have no issues with what you have done so far, simply saying it's not how I play games like this.

johnhughthom

10-30-2009, 18:04

Askthepizzaguy

10-30-2009, 18:16

The Duchy of Savoy asks the Swiss government why they have reacted so if they feel we have no reason to be offended by their expansion? Our statement made no mention of you, and the very fact you have answered shows you are aware you have no legitimacy on Italian soil.

Because we are the only ones who expanded toward you thus process of elimination?

You sense illegitimacy where none exists. Perhaps you're projecting...

Ibn-Khaldun

10-30-2009, 18:29

Few things I have to explain. People asked about these.....

1. Can I sell my units as mercs?

Yes, you can sell both your land and naval units. This requires confirmation PM from both players(add it to your orders) and unit you want to sell must already exist. You can't sell a unit you don't have.
Also, this deal will only make those units change their flag. I will not "teleport" them from one side of the map to another.
This deal automatically gives Military Access to the side who bought units until they move their new army out of sellers country.

2. Transport ships. Loading/unloading units?

There are two ships that can carry units: Transport and Fluyte.
(Unit Name/Fire/Hull/Morale/Special/Moves/Recruitment cost/Upkeep)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Transport 1/5/3/Transport/4/300$/150$
Fluyte 3/3/3/Transport/5/400$/200$
How many units ship can carry is determined by the size of the ships hull. So, that means Transport can carry 5 units and Fluyte 3 units.
Loading/unloading units uses one movement of transport ship.
For example, You want to board your army and move it across the sea. The distance between two lands is 3 hexes.
Your order should look like this then:

3. Load 1st Army on to 1st Fleet. Move the fleet 3 hexes north next to Whatever region. Unload Army there.
So, you just successfully transported your army from one region to another using all the movement point of Fluyte.

3. Can I move the same army in multiple order points? And the Ottomans were free to move into Wallachia without any announcement?

Yes you can. Yes, since that region was not controlled by the player.

4. Do you require me to openly designate a figure leading my army before it moves, and can it include the leader?

Yes, you must have General leading your army(militia and mercs are exceptions). Just PM me which general you want to lead your army. And, Yes, your ruler/leader/king can lead armies. They start automatically with 2 commands stars.
However, there can't be more than one general per army.

johnhughthom

10-30-2009, 19:14

Charles Emmanuel I, Duke of Savoy died in his sleep suddenly last night leaving no natural heir to the Duchy. The Duke's will leaves his throne to the King of France, who inherits all posessions and dominions of the recently deceased Duke. As of now the Duchy of Savoy ceases to be a sovereign nation and is part of the Kingdom of France.

scottishranger

10-30-2009, 19:18

Woa....

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 20:00

Not that it isnt a shame your leaving but, why France?

johnhughthom

10-30-2009, 20:03

I had arranged an alliance so they seemed the obvious choice. I won't be playing anymore but I have offered to help Ibn-Khaldun run the game.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-30-2009, 20:43

Call me silly but I put my port and city where they were historically. If everybody else wants to do things like have English ports in the Faroes, or having Switzerland go off on a random landgrab that's up to them, simply not how I enjoy playing games like this.

edit: just realised how this sounds, not having a go at you CDF or Atpg, I genuinely have no issues with what you have done so far, simply saying it's not how I play games like this.

:shrug: I put my cities where I think they are historically as well. My port in Scotland was going to be Wick, but the Faroes were a better position. Heck if you know what I have been doing this whole game you would understand I have a very similar mindset to you. :sweatdrop: But when it comes between a very minor, historical discrepancy and a very concrete benefit for putting the port there, I decided to chose the port.

Askthepizzaguy

10-30-2009, 20:43

Sorry to see you go, John.

I wish to announce now that I would like to claim territory in the italian peninsula region. It is really the only place for me to still peacefully expand, as the north has been claimed already. Many of the other nations in the region are still larger than me and I'm ceding territory to France as did the Savoy.

If there are no objections that's where I'm expanding. I call dibs.

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 21:03

I am also placing a claim on Italy.

Beskar

10-30-2009, 21:09

I am placing a claim on Southern Netherlands.

Double A

10-30-2009, 21:13

I place a claim on everything west of Baghdad.

A Very Super Market

10-30-2009, 21:17

...

Make claims? How does that work? Austria, as Emperor, you should do something about a rogue force attacking states of the Empire.

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 21:26

By placing a claim we are simply telling everyone else "we want that land".

Askthepizzaguy

10-30-2009, 21:29

Perhaps the king of Spain and I could negotiate our mutual claims on Italy and determine where our borders will be.

:bow:

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 21:50

I only want the Central Italy region so I'll let you have the venice and milan regions.

Askthepizzaguy

10-30-2009, 21:55

If there are no other claims on Italy then it's a done deal.

Oh, and I'd claim the 2 hexes which comprise Corsica, as Spain has already claimed Sardinia.

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 22:03

Only if it doesn't count as part of the central italy region.

Askthepizzaguy

10-30-2009, 22:05

They shouldn't... that region is already massive by comparison to milan and venice. You'd think the host would have left room for Savoy to expand.

Double A

10-30-2009, 22:41

I only want the Central Italy region so I'll let you have the venice and milan regions.

Dude didn't I already tell you I was going for Venice? :smash:

Greyblades

10-30-2009, 22:47

Then go for it just dont expect me to care what happens when the two of you collide.

Double A

10-30-2009, 23:06

Ok I won't. I can handle myself in those kind of situations. I'm a big boy now!

Centurion1

10-31-2009, 03:13

saxony is awesome

that is all

Double A

10-31-2009, 03:28

5 hexes + doing nothing = awesome?

Centurion1

10-31-2009, 03:33

yeah we will see, heretic

Double A

10-31-2009, 04:18

Sooner than you think, Infidel.

Ibn-Khaldun

10-31-2009, 09:22

Deadline: Sunday, November 1st, 10:00 GMT.

Please send your orders before that.

Also, if Subotan don't submit orders for France this turn too then we need someone to replace him.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-31-2009, 15:39

I got it!

The Pope.

Seriously, though, I would probably sit well with Venice/Milan.

maybe Karl could take over as France if Subotan does not show up :juggle2:

miotas

10-31-2009, 16:07

He's back now, he answered one of my PM's a few hours ago.

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-31-2009, 17:09

He's back now, he answered one of my PM's a few hours ago.

cool, then we are all set. Although Ibn may want to ask Karl what faction he wants. I think he said milan or venice.

Subotan

10-31-2009, 17:19

Sorry guys, I've been away in London for a few days.

:shrug:

As far as I know you made no public claim to the land, and it wasn't owned by anyone. If you didn't want to negotiate with me over the land, sign a peace accord, a trade agreement, or even stake a claim, it doesn't make much sense to me that you'd use this as an excuse to raise a big army. No one would see any aggression here as legitimate, so perhaps instead of threats (tactful and understated though they may be :bow:) we could discuss what is troubling you. I do have grounds to be there as it was unclaimed territory, first come first served. And I didn't expand all the way south to get a port like I wanted to do, I expanded radially and in all directions, as you can see. It wasn't intended to slight you.

I warned the Swiss Confederation in a previous message that I would not be able to support them, should they decide to to expand in the direction of Italy. Not only did they do that, but they also secured the Franche-Comte from Spain! Both of these seem like moves to aggravate and annoy the King of France.

Charles Emmanuel I, Duke of Savoy died in his sleep suddenly last night leaving no natural heir to the Duchy. The Duke's will leaves his throne to the King of France, who inherits all posessions and dominions of the recently deceased Duke. As of now the Duchy of Savoy ceases to be a sovereign nation and is part of the Kingdom of France.
I am filled with sorrow to learn of the passing of my dear friend, the Duke of Savoy.It is to my understanding that along with the title of "Duke of Savoy", I will inherit a claim to the Kingdom of Italy. Therefore, I shall now be referred to as King of France, Italy and Navarre, Duke of Savoy and Heir of Charlemagne, a new title which I have just created in order to reflect the glory of the French Empire.

I am also placing a claim on Italy.
Whereas the King of Spain has forged his claim to that throne out of the wispy mists of brute force and greed, I have a legit and God-given claim to the rule of Italy. If you wish to continue to contest that claim, then it's war.

If there are no other claims on Italy then it's a done deal.

Oh, and I'd claim the 2 hexes which comprise Corsica, as Spain has already claimed Sardinia.
The same goes to you. Withdraw your forces both from Burgundy and from Northern Italy, or it's war.

EDIT:Could people put in their sigs what state they are, since it's confusing/annoying having to go back to the map on page 5 to work out who is who.

Splitpersonality

10-31-2009, 17:23

EDIT:Could people put in their sigs what state they are, since it's confusing/annoying having to go back to the map on page 5 to work out who is who.

Does user title work?

Ibn-Khaldun

10-31-2009, 17:25

EDIT:Could people put in their sigs what state they are, since it's confusing/annoying having to go back to the map on page 5 to work out who is who.

Or you could check the first post where all the players are listed? ~;)

Good to have you back.

Greyblades

10-31-2009, 17:45

Shouldnt you be playing catchup instead of threatening your fellow Catholics France?

Askthepizzaguy

10-31-2009, 17:51

So much for handing France the land I just got from Spain.

Way to treat your friends, France. I'll not be bullied by you or anyone else. Consider our alliance and trade rights terminated.

A Very Super Market

10-31-2009, 17:57

How exactly is attacking peaceful member states supposed to endear you to the world? The Swiss have finally gone to far. This is what years of whoring yourselves out to anyone with the money does to you.

*spits

Centurion1

10-31-2009, 18:14

saxony wishes to remind france they are in position to do ANYTHING as they need to pay off their war debts

johnhughthom

10-31-2009, 19:39

Hey guys I'm going to be helping Ibn-Khaldun with the game now. If you could send all your diplomatic deals (alliances, trade deals, loans etc) to me I can forward a summary which will cut his workload and let the game flow more smoothly. You should send your orders (movement, recruitment, building etc) to I-K as usual and send me your diplomatic deals.

If you all could send me a list of your current deals as well as any new deals agreed for this phase I can make sure I-K has the correct set up for everybody. Cheers. :beam:

Cultured Drizzt fan

10-31-2009, 19:41

Ibn-Khaldun

10-31-2009, 19:44

Centurion1

10-31-2009, 21:56

john ill be sending you alot of stuff very soon.

you want agreements about land transfer as well?

johnhughthom

10-31-2009, 22:24

you want agreements about land transfer as well?

Yeah, I guess so.

Centurion1

10-31-2009, 22:49

i sent my first thing to you. more to come

johnhughthom

11-01-2009, 00:33

:dizzy2:

This is bonkers, I can't believe you were doing the whole thing by yourself I-K, simply trying to match up all the diplomatic moves is hurting my head. :laugh4:

edit: just to warn you guys, I was originally going to pm you if I got conflicting orders but it would take too much time. If the orders are similar I will allow them, but if one person puts through an alliance and another trade rights for example it will not be enacted.

Centurion1

11-01-2009, 00:46

heehee i warned you john. I have a couple more too but i need to solidify those a little more

johnhughthom

11-01-2009, 01:02

Greyblades, scottishranger and White_eyes are the only players not to get their orders in yet.

heehee i warned you john. I have a couple more too but i need to solidify those a little more

No problem, I'd rather you sent it piecemeal than have to change it all after sending...

Greyblades

11-01-2009, 01:05

I thought I gave them to I_K.

johnhughthom

11-01-2009, 01:06

Did you have any new diplomatic deals? If not it's ok, that's all I need.

Greyblades

11-01-2009, 01:09

No I think thats it. Trading with others isnt realy going to make much of a difference at the moment seeing as my cash flow is allready through the roof.

Subotan

11-01-2009, 01:17

Shouldnt you be playing catchup instead of threatening your fellow Catholics France?
I'm not the one selling off Catholic Italy to the Protestant Swiss!

So much for handing France the land I just got from Spain.

Way to treat your friends, France. I'll not be bullied by you or anyone else. Consider our alliance and trade rights terminated.
Bullying is misleading. I warned you, specifically:

I have also made plans to support the Savoyards in their attempts to unify Italy, which means that I will be unable to support the Swiss should they choose to expand in that direction.

I have records, and both the Dutch and England can verify this message. I gave you an explicit warning, which you then ignored. How could I possibly let this insult to my honour go unpunished? Very well then. You won't need to hand that land back, and terminating those proposed deals is unnecessary. As of 00:00 hours, the Kingdom of France is at a state of war with the Swiss Confederation.

General Treville! Prepare to liberate Framche-Comte!

Splitpersonality

11-01-2009, 01:33

I just sent my orders, and I would like to ask white_eyes of russia to please remain calm when he sees the map.

My troops on your border are merely uniting the Zaporogian Cossacks under polish rule, I will press nothing further that you have claimed, and I do agree that the land to your south is indeed yours. I will be seeking a southern port elsewhere.

:bow:

Ibn-Khaldun

11-01-2009, 01:38

:dizzy2:

This is bonkers, I can't believe you were doing the whole thing by yourself I-K, simply trying to match up all the diplomatic moves is hurting my head. :laugh4:

And this is just the second turn.. :laugh4::clown:

I have records, and both the Dutch and England can verify this message. I gave you an explicit warning, which you then ignored. How could I possibly let this insult to my honour go unpunished? Very well then. You won't need to hand that land back, and terminating those proposed deals is unnecessary. As of 00:00 hours, the Kingdom of France is at a state of war with the Swiss Confederation.

General Treville! Prepare to liberate Framche-Comte!

:balloon2::birthday2: Finally I can test my battle system with in-game armies! :beam:

FYI, players can(if they want) create their own battle plans. Just use battlemap from the first post(under Useful Information) and mark where you want your Missile(Arquebusiers,Musketeers), Pikemen(+Merc Infantry), Artillery and Cavalry to be placed. By default I put all Infantry in the middle of the map, artillery behind them and cavalry on the wings. If you have better ideas then send me PM with your battle plans. Remember, I will use them only when Generals are involved and there will be 1 battle plan for all Generals.

Just something for those who want more action... :juggle2: