The Thirty Years War [Concluded]

[Ibn-Khaldun]

-Year 1619-
from January to June
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/Schlacht_am_Weien_Berg_C-K_063.jpg
The French-Swiss war continued almost like in previous months. France was the offencive side and destroyed small Swiss army in Milan. Half of that territory is occupied by French and most likely the other half will fall soon too. While Louis XIII armies were victorious in Italy, their campaign in Germany was stopped by large Swiss army when they tried to occupy a small province near the border of Switzerland.

In Austria, Ferdinand II called the Catholic League with it's army to help him against the Ottoman Empire. Soon both Imperial and Leagues armies moved against their enemy and occupied most of Hungary and few provinces on the coast of Adriatic Sea. After defeating a small Ottoman force near Transylvania they finally understood why there had been so few enemy soldiers defending the border. Mighty forts were built by the Turks and without the siege artillery it was impossible to continue this campaign.

Other news from Europe mention that in south, both Portugal and Spain gained new territories. Spain received lands in Italy from small states who looked for protection while Portugal started the conquest of Algeria. In Southern Germany, Saxony united more states under it's rule. They took some lands just days before Bohemians could claim them. This can't be good for the relations of these two states. In Scandinavia, Sweden gathered troops and ships near Kattegat and in Eastern Europe Transylvania increased it's size after they received some lands in Moldavia from the Ottomans.

Events:
More money or else!

The excessive recruitment of mercenaries have made them too arrogant. They demand more money!
From this turn onwards all mercenary units recruitment cost and upkeep have been doubled.

Guns'n'Cannons!

After the French lost a battle against the Swiss Pikemen, rulers of the European states demanded better cannons and guns to defeat those Pikemen from distance in the future.
New units: Musketeers of the Guard, Dragoons and Field Artillery with new stats.
In order to get these, players must:
1)declare one of their cities as their capital(if it is lost then player will receive PO penalty and he can not recruit upgraded units).
2)pay 10000$ to "upgrade their barracks and industry".
New units can be recruited only in capitals.
These units are not available for Ottomans, Transylvania and Russia.
The map:
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/30YW_kingdoms_turn4.jpg

NB! I apologize for not posting this yesterday but had RL issues. Also, some of you should get your PM's today while others might not get them before tomorrow.:shame:

[Subotan]

So Switzerland? You must be getting quite hot under the collar, despite living in the mountains...

[Askthepizzaguy]

So Switzerland? You must be getting quite hot under the collar, despite living in the mountains...

Are you prepared to surrender unconditionally yet?

[Beskar]

Ibn, what happened to the land-trade agreement?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I went through orders and then took care of the diplomacy. So, France took that hex in S-Germany before the land deal thus nullifying your deal. :shrug:

[Beskar]

Couldn't you do the others then? So diplomatically speaking, I only hold claim to that land? I don't mind doing that, makes the talks between me and France more interesting.

(Since I was going to be the owner of that hex, could the whole deal go ahead without that hex changing from France's hands?)

[Subotan]

I'm going to restore the lands of the Rhenish Palatinate back to the Elector Palatine, the King of Bohemia. So, I think the Hex I currently occupy, plus the ones to the North and South East of it would be afair approximation of the Paltinate's lands (Whilst I keep Alsace for myself)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yes, you only hold the claim on that land.


(Since I was going to be the owner of that hex, could the whole deal go ahead without that hex changing from France's hands?)

Since that hex was in that deal then I decided not to go with it. However, if both sides agree that they want to go ahead with the deal no matter what then I will carry them out. In the end of this turn though.

[Beskar]

Since that hex was in that deal then I decided not to go with it. However, if both sides agree that they want to go ahead with the deal no matter what then I will carry them out. In the end of this turn though.

With France's comment, I will keep my lands as they are, possibly do an alternative deal later. Looks like France just spoke about removing lands from my control.

[Subotan]

For the record, I wish no ill will on the Netherlands, but I did promise to restore Bohemia's lands to them a few pages back.

[Beskar]

For the record, I wish no ill will on the Netherlands, but I did promise to restore Bohemia's lands to them a few pages back.

I mean no ill-will, but if you go down that route, I won't be sitting by while you do it.

[Greyblades]

Ibn I remember recruiting a ship this turn.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yes, you did. Will fix the map ASAP.

[Csargo]

Why didn't my armies move by the forts?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Armies can't enter adjacent hexes to enemy forts(the same goes for cities).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unless they attack those forts or cities with seige equipment, right?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Unless they attack those forts or cities with seige equipment, right?

Yes. You need Siege Artillery.

[Double A]

If he build siege artillery, can I fire back at him with field artillery?

Also who controls that blue army on my border?

Finally, in the write-up you said Wallachia couldn't get the units, as well as me and Whitey. Is that a typo or does that mean the blue army is Wallachia?

[Csargo]

That's my blue army :evil:

[Double A]

I don't know if you knew this, but red > blue.

http://blog.newsok.com/bamsblog/files/2008/10/grif.jpg

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If he build siege artillery, can I fire back at him with field artillery?

Also who controls that blue army on my border?

Finally, in the write-up you said Wallachia couldn't get the units, as well as me and Whitey. Is that a typo or does that mean the blue army is Wallachia?

1) No, but you can use that field artillery when he attacks your fort.
Siege artillery only lowers the defence of the fort. It does not take it nor can Cavalry units attack the fort.

2) That army belongs to Austria. It's Catholic League army(something that Austria can use when he wants).

3) That's typo. I meant Transylvania.

[Double A]

1) What about 6 billion mercenaries?
2) Crap?
3) Gotcha

[Centurion1]

yeah im pretty sure that deal should go through...... i gave him the items e requested...... i still want what remains to me. If the french took a square the rest of the land should still go to me since it is not really switzerlands fault. France remove yourself from s. germany. The saxon people by the divine right of god and the right of holy matrimony lay claim to that which we now own.


so the way this is going im going to lose even more of that land which belongs to me in the next turn because france is going to have orders to take more of that land before the deal goes through.........

[Ibn-Khaldun]

1) What about 6 billion mercenaries?
2) Crap?
3) Gotcha

I doubt you can afford that many mercenaries.

Also, there can't be more than 30 units in a fort/city/army.


yeah im pretty sure that deal should go through...... i gave him the items e requested...... i still want what remains to me. If the french took a square the rest of the land should still go to me since it is not really switzerlands fault. France remove yourself from s. germany. The saxon people by the divine right of god and the right of holy matrimony lay claim to that which we now own.


so the way this is going im going to lose even more of that land which belongs to me in the next turn because france is going to have orders to take more of that land before the deal goes through.........

You do know there is a way to stop France from taking those lands?:sneaky:

I'll go to bed now. You should receive your report PM's tomorrow after I get back from work.

[Double A]

Saxony and Switzerland vs France?

Maybe Sweden and Spain will join in.

[scottishranger]

If Saxony goes to war against France, I will declare war on Saxony, as per my alliance with France.

[Chaotix]

Setting up for a conflict with Saxony does not seem the wisest course of action for either France or Sweden...

[Double A]

Gah did no one get my joke? There would be 4 S's against a F.

:brood:

[Greyblades]

Yeah I dont think russia and denmark will just sit by while your exherting yourself. Besided France brought it on itself.

[Double A]

So if Saxony goes to war with France...

SFSSDSR

That's about as close to an illustration of the war as I'm going to do.

[Subotan]

Setting up for a conflict with Saxony does not seem the wisest course of action for either France or Sweden...
What setting up? I didn't do anything.
EDIT: It appears I did do something, in that I made a contract which was ignored by other participants, and that I have inadvertently broken a separate deal between two third parties.

Huh.

Gah did no one get my joke? There would be 4 S's against a F.

:brood:
Joke?
:dizzy2:

Yeah I dont think russia and denmark will just sit by while your exherting yourself. Besided France brought it on itself.
Btw I thought you were going to come to Switzerland's rescue, like a dashing young knight to his damsel in distress

Some ally you are

[Greyblades]

Yeah, keep thinking that.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Got to admit, Surprised by the good move by the Ottomans. Thought for sure you would have tried to counter attack this round. Instead you set up a defensive position and probably set it up with all the troops you can. :juggle2: Gonna be a long war off in the east. Either Austria builds siege artillery or he leaves that area in your hands.

I like the events, mostly because I only have 3 merc's sitting around. Forcing us to go professional I see. :beam: :laugh4:


The talk of war between France and the Netherlands and Saxony is surely an exaggeration! South Germany belongs to those who won control of it, that is all I have to say on the matter, although if you all decide to talk about it I do not want to interfere. Other than that I have little to say....


Meh, I wish someone would want to talk with me..... I am so lonely here on my island. :bigcry: Where is MY diplomatic talks that walk on a the razors edge. I just get to mediate for other nations, and nobody likes me. :brood: I think I am going to go oppress my colonies. That always makes me feel better. Then I am going to go commission another 10 SOL's for the royal navy, That will show you all. How I am not sure, but it is going to show you something. If you can not already guess I put IC announcements in Italic. Don't take anything else seriously.

[Greyblades]

Well seeing as your netherland ally seems to be looking towards my lands you may be in for a chance.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Well seeing as your netherland ally seems to be looking towards my lands you may be in for a chance.

Really? I hear you two are working things out like buddies. :inquisitive: Although yeah, if war breaks out then the Western fleet will be there to stop any troop movements you are thinking of making through the Atlantic. You may have to recreate the Spanish road.


Believe me, The western fleet can take care of any ragtag transport groups you throw together. :shrug: not to brag.

[Greyblades]

Yeah and who's the guy with the 30000+ income here?

[Splitpersonality]

Yeah and who's the guy with the 30000+ income here?

Hey, get your spies out of my country, my economic business is MY economic business! :whip:

[Greyblades]

http://img.moronail.net/img/1/3/1413.jpg
Sorry, I couldnt find any spanish versions of this.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Yeah and who's the guy with the 30000+ income here?

Uhhhhh, both of us? :inquisitive: Plus even with 30000 income you have 6 orders. That is the clincher ain't it? :beam: We both have exactly the same potential production per turn when it comes to naval units. You can round up all the Mercs you want, but when my SOL's sink your fleet you are still boned. and Unlike you, I do not have to split my efforts on multiple fronts. I am an island nation, my navy is my lifeblood (bit of a exaggeration, but close enough). You.... Have a lot of hostile neighbors.



I am not going to say I am some kind of defensive god, and I could not be eliminated due to a war with you, but alone I doubt you could take me, if I planned well.

[Beskar]

Working with the Spanish is folly while they oppress our people and hold claimant to our lands. How dare you imply otherwise.

[Double A]

CDF, I just had an epiphany. You should restore Nottingham!


Yeah and who's the guy with the 30000+ income here?

Huh? What about me?

[Beskar]

2) That army belongs to Austria. It's Catholic League army(something that Austria can use when he wants).


Ichigo should have linked this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuoLzx0mcho

[Double A]

Oh yeah? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnK56x9dfuI&feature=related)

[Splitpersonality]

Excuse me (princess), but I think I win... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K5vq7YS9DE)

[Double A]

Yeah well I have lemon grenades!

And CDF, it's not like you should feel threatened or anything, but... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAAjmCkwsTU&feature=PlayList&p=8D59CB045A4FD4A3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=38)

[Centurion1]

france please refrain from entering my proxy lands as these will become mine as of next turn. Bohemia has no right to those lands besides those which he makes up. You are trying to be belligerent and while i am a patient man, i do NOT tolerate pugnacity for unlimited sections of time.

[Beskar]

Oh by the way, is there a mod for M2TW which has the 30 Years Old factions in?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

CDF, I just had an epiphany. You should restore Nottingham!


Wait what? Am I missing something from this?. :inquisitive:
do you mean I should restore a fort and name it Nottingham?

[Subotan]

Bohemia has no right to those lands besides those which he makes up. .

Um.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_V,_Elector_Palatine

Frederick V (August 26, 1596 – November 29, 1632) was Elector Palatine (1610–23), and, as Frederick I , King of Bohemia (1619–20)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Palatinate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatinate_(region)

So essentially, he has a legal right to it, whilst you have something called "nationalism" (What is that, some kind of cake?)


france please refrain from entering my proxy lands as these will become mine as of next turn.

I do not recognise any third party dealings, of which I have no proof that they even exist, to supersede a public declaration at the start of the Glorious Swiss Obliteration War to return the lands of the Palatinate to the Elector Palatine. Do not take this personally, but I have my and the King of Boehmia's honour to think about. If Switzerland has sold you those lands, I would be happy to reimburse you for those lands, as a victim of a sneaky Swiss banking trick.

[Double A]

Wait what? Am I missing something from this?. :inquisitive:
do you mean I should restore a fort and name it Nottingham?

Yeah pretty much. I'm saying you should make a fort in the middle of England and name it Nottingham. It may not be historical, but it sure would kick ass.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think the french fries are almost cooked.

[Double A]

Can I have some?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think pretty much everyone is going to have some.

[Double A]

Portugal, would you like some?

[Chaotix]

:inquisitive:

For all your talk about the French being fried, it certainly appears that the French, rather, are the fryers...

[Askthepizzaguy]

:inquisitive:

For all your talk about the French being fried, it certainly appears that the French, rather, are the fryers...

:laugh4:

~:pat:

Surely you of all people won't count me out, Chaotix-san. Not when I haven't even begun fighting yet.

[Chaotix]

Not yet, but the longer you wait the more of your lands they take, the less income you get, and the less troops you can recruit to fight back against them. Kind of like a vicious cycle...

You better hope the network of allies you've undoubtedly strung together shows up in time! :laugh4:

[Double A]

How do you fry yourself? :inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not yet, but the longer you wait the more of your lands they take, the less income you get, and the less troops you can recruit to fight back against them. Kind of like a vicious cycle...

You better hope the network of allies you've undoubtedly strung together shows up in time! :laugh4:

Land?

I would not measure the success of a war in land, but in whose head lies motionless, cold, and disembodied on the ground when the day is done.

When that is done, then you may count the land.

[Chaotix]

:shrug:

For your sake, I hope you're right.

I can't see the composition of those armies, only the dwindling number of lavender hexes on the map.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:shrug:

For your sake, I hope you're right.

I can't see the composition of those armies, only the dwindling number of lavender hexes on the map.

You mean you're watching him divide his army into helpless little bite-size pieces that I can play whack-a-mole with?

[Double A]

I think we should have a poll on the faction you hate the most.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Shh let it be a surprise.

Also, if I lose this war, I still had fun this game because I got to give a Frenchman a vicious taunting. :eyebrows:

I enjoy irony.

[Subotan]

:shrug:

For your sake, I hope you're right.

I can't see the composition of those armies, only the dwindling number of lavender hexes on the map.
Don't worry, he isn't :beam:

Shh let it be a surprise.

Also, if I lose this war, I still had fun this game because I got to give a Frenchman a vicious taunting. :eyebrows:

I enjoy irony.

I'm Irish

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Oh by the way, is there a mod for M2TW which has the 30 Years Old factions in?

There is one mod about the English Civil War -> For King or Country: The English Civil War (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=804)
There are units similar to the ones in the Thirty Years War.

Also, I would've sent those reports yesterday but when I finally had some spare time the Org was down:wall:

So, this time I will send them to you. :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

friendly reminder-

I need my update PM from last round so I can make decisions for the next round. :sweatdrop:

[Beskar]

Same, since you decided to nerf me, I need to know my income. :p

Edit: Bah, the whole John thing, ended up with my trades not going through. :smash:

[Centurion1]

France your dealings with bohemia are illegitimate as they are at their root a nation founded by rebellion against their rightful lord. Enter any further into MY lands and you shall be dealt with quickly.



You posture greatly but you am not in as good a position as you believe

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Same, since you decided to nerf me, I need to know my income. :p

Edit: Bah, the whole John thing, ended up with my trades not going through. :smash:

What exactly did I missed? :embarassed:

To others.. Please control your diplomacy.. I had 2 documents with diplomatic deals and one said one thing while the other one said another. I didn't know what to think. And because I deleted my PM's to clear my inbox I can't check those previous deals:wall::sweatdrop:

[Askthepizzaguy]

How strange. It appears from my battle report that I nearly destroyed someone's army in Southern Germany, while sustaining almost no casualties whatsoever.

I hope that was just a bunch of scouts.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

How strange. It appears from my battle report that I nearly destroyed someone's army in Southern Germany, while sustaining almost no casualties whatsoever.

I hope that was just a bunch of scouts.

You should thank your **** unit and your **** units. :clown:

[Subotan]

France your dealings with bohemia are illegitimate as they are at their root a nation founded by rebellion against their rightful lord.
Incorrect. Their King has been elected by the nobles of Bohemia, and has been recognised as such by Austria.


Enter any further into Bohemia's lands and you shall be welcomed as a liberator from the evil, bloodthirsty, crazy, Swiss
Fix'd

Btw, I'm very willing to compensate you for being tricked by the Swiss, if you made financial dealings with them, and they later proved themselves unable (Read:unwilling) to pay. I'll even through in Alsace (Hex 5) in for free. But Hexes 7, 8 and 11 belong to the Elector Palatine, the King of Bohemia.


I hope that was just a bunch of scouts.
Naturally. I'm just getting warmed up.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Deadline for your orders is 22:00 GMT tomorrow.

[White_eyes:C]

I am sorry Ibn.....:shame: I lost my password and was unable to send in my orders....:wall:

I am White_eyes:D...:bounce:

I have no idea what is going on:laugh4:

[Centurion1]

France we will relinquish no land too you. we will however talk all the land which belongs to us rightfully. You teeter close to the abyss, watch your step.

[Subotan]

How is it yours? Because you say so? Bohemia has an ancestral and legal claim to it, and you making deals with the perfidious Swiss over land which they didn't have a legal right to is invalid. It's like being sold stolen goods by a burglar, and then complaining when the burgled offers to buy them back from you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The French King continues to unleash volley after volley of arrows into his own unprotected feet.

[Centurion1]

the land is ours. we warn you for the last time. remove yourself from it. you may keep that hex which you now own but the rest is claimed by diplomatic treaty. We will speak of it no more.

[Beskar]

I am sorry Ibn.....:shame: I lost my password and was unable to send in my orders....:wall:

I am White_eyes:D...:bounce:

I have no idea what is going on:laugh4:

Ask TosaInu to sort it out.

[Csargo]

Ibn my orders may be late by a few hours or more. I should get them in by tomorrow though :bow:

[Subotan]

The French King continues to unleash volley after volley of arrows into his own unprotected feet.
Quiet you

the land is ours. we warn you for the last time. remove yourself from it. you may keep that hex which you now own but the rest is claimed by diplomatic treaty. We will speak of it no more.
You have just purchased stolen goods. You are a victim of deceit. I recommend that we get a neutral observer to sort it out. Anyone on the periphery want to judge?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I am sorry Ibn.....:shame: I lost my password and was unable to send in my orders....:wall:

I am White_eyes:D...:bounce:

I have no idea what is going on:laugh4:

What Beskar suggested. Ask Tosainu. :yes:


Ibn my orders may be late by a few hours or more. I should get them in by tomorrow though :bow:

Few hours is ok. Thank you for letting me know:bow:

[miotas]

Hey Ibn, are the orders due on the 13th? It's just that when you posted the message saying the orders were due tomorrow it was already the 13th here. I've sent my orders in already, but I just thought I'd check, in case I decide to change anything before the deadline.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

It was 12th in here when I posted it.
Yes, orders are due today.

Also, A Very Super Market had to leave from this game.

[miotas]

Looks like France just lost it's reason for taking territory in Germany. What's going to happen now? :book:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe that land should go to Saxony, to expand their lebensraum.

No other nation bordering that land seems to have a more legitimate claim on it. I'd say Austria but I think they have room to expand south and east due to the war.

I don't have a dog in this fight since I am on friendly terms with all nations in that region, but as an impartial observer, I think Saxony has a right to the land.

[Subotan]

It depends who Bohemia has left it's territory to.


I don't have a dog in this fight since I am on friendly terms with all nations in that region, but as an impartial observer, I think Saxony has a right to the land.

Of course you do, you own it!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I expect if they left it to anyone besides Saxony, Austria, or Poland, they will be instigating a war.

[Greyblades]

We could vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

International opinion and sphere of influence will ultimately determine who gets the land anyway.

No one can really have a claim on the land if they have neither the ability to defend the land nor the approval of the neighboring states to own that land. It will simply be taken by force I'd imagine.

I'd recommend the land go to the most logical owner, if only for the purpose of preventing conflict.

[White_eyes:C]

I think you should switch to Russia ATPG...:laugh4:

I don't know when I will get my account back...:juggle2:

And seeing Russia sit there and do nothing....it makes me want to cry...~:mecry:

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you wish, I could control Russia for you until you get back.

In the "I'll honor your previous agreements and not screw up your nation or declare wars" kind of sense.

[Beskar]

White Eyes, you need to change your avatar. I am confused as to which you are Tribesman or a Warman alt with that picture.

[Askthepizzaguy]

White Eyes, you need to change your avatar. I am confused as to which you are Tribesman or a Warman alt with that picture.

Much better. That's the W_E I remember.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

It depends who Bohemia has left it's territory to.



Of course you do, you own it!

AVSM left his lands to ....


Did you really think I will tell you that? The person who receives that land knows it and that's enough..


I think you should switch to Russia ATPG...:laugh4:

I don't know when I will get my account back...:juggle2:

And seeing Russia sit there and do nothing....it makes me want to cry...~:mecry:

Russia can do many things.. like starting The Great Northern War about 80 years before it's time! :laugh4:

[Greyblades]

Ah well I have had enough time to prepare, its time to make it official.
I, King Felipe the Third, Declare that Spain is to wage war on the kingdom of france untill thier armies are quelled and thier government conceeds defeat or is otherwise subdued.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Two things...

Firstly, You don't have to use one of your orders for upgrades.
Just mention that you want to "upgrade your barracks" below your orders.

Secondly, I must explain sieges.

1) You need siege artillery before you can siege or attack fort/city.
2) You must use "Bombard fort/city" command
3) After that you can attack settlement.

Strength of the Fort is 5 and strength of the city is 2.
Siege battles are fought on these maps:
Fort
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/battlemap_siege_fort.jpg

City
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/battlemap_siege_city.jpg
Green shows the location of settlement cannons(their strength) that "Bombard" command destroys.
Although cities have larger green areas this only shows the breach in the wall that "Bombard" command creates.
As you can see it's much easier to defend forts than cities.
Players should remember that their troops will be under enemy artillery fire from the start of the battle and the fewer those cannons they have the easier it's to capture the settlement.
You can also just siege enemy fort/city by mentioning that when you send your orders.
Players can't recruit anything from sieged settlements(add units into it's garrison).

Hope this helps little bit.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Two things...

Firstly, You don't have to use one of your orders for upgrades.
Just mention that you want to "upgrade your barracks" below your orders.

Secondly, I must explain sieges.

1) You need siege artillery before you can siege or attack fort/city.
2) You must use "Bombard fort/city" command
3) After that you can attack settlement.

Strength of the Fort is 5 and strength of the city is 2.
Siege battles are fought on these maps:
Fort
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/battlemap_siege_fort.jpg

City
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/battlemap_siege_city.jpg
Green shows the location of settlement cannons(their strength) that "Bombard" command destroys.
Although cities have larger green areas this only shows the breach in the wall that "Bombard" command creates.
As you can see it's much easier to defend forts than cities.
Players should remember that their troops will be under enemy artillery fire from the start of the battle and the fewer those cannons they have the easier it's to capture the settlement.
You can also just siege enemy fort/city by mentioning that when you send your orders.
Players can't recruit anything from sieged settlements(add units into it's garrison).

Hope this helps little bit.




Interesting, what abut ports? need to bombard them?

[scottishranger]

AVSM left his lands to ....


Did you really think I will tell you that? The person who receives that land knows it and that's enough..



Russia can do many things.. like starting The Great Northern War about 80 years before it's time! :laugh4:

False.


Sweden Declares war on Spain, any Spanish shipping can and will be seized by the Swedish Navy.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Interesting, what abut ports? need to bombard them?

No, since they don't have walls protecting them from land attacks.

EDIT: So, that means we have 4 wars going!
Ottoman-Austrian, French-Swiss, Spanish-French and Swedish-Spanish wars.:dizzy2:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

No, since they don't have walls protecting them from land attacks.

EDIT: So, that means we have 4 wars going!
Ottoman-Austrian, French-Swiss, Spanish-French and Swedish-Spanish wars.:dizzy2:

ahh interesting.

[Greyblades]

Not realy, seeing as sweeden can do "sweet fanny adams" to me right now, and anything they do later will stretch thier forces too far to fight off any invasion by russia or denmark.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I hear that Ireland is declaring war on New Zealand, too. That will be a fun one to watch.

[Splitpersonality]

I want to be in a war!

FINE.

Poland Declares war on Lithuania!

:clown:

[Beskar]

I want to be in a war!

FINE.

Poland Declares war on Lithuania!

:clown:

Wise idea to have a civil war?

[Splitpersonality]

Of course the above post was a joke...

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Not realy, seeing as sweeden can do "sweet fanny adams" to me right now, and anything they do later will stretch thier forces too far to fight off any invasion by russia or denmark.

I was talking about the part where ports don't have land walls. Makes me glad most of my ports are next to cities. :yes:


the Sweden/Spanish war was bland and totally expected. How the Swede's plan on getting to you will be interesting however..... :laugh4::laugh4:

[Greyblades]

Any chance you have just had a wave of xenophobia and arent letting anyone pass through your channel?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I was talking about the part where ports don't have land walls. Makes me glad most of my ports are next to cities. :yes:

the Sweden/Spanish war was bland and totally expected. How the Swede's plan on getting to you will be interesting however..... :laugh4::laugh4:

He can always take a page out of my book and come from an unexpected direction. I recommend the Swedes attack by way of Alexandria, Egypt. The Spanish would never expect such a move.

If anyone remembers a Turkish army on jihad against France storming the beaches of Normandy after arriving from the North Sea by way of the Baltic sea, that's a signature Askthepizzaguy maneuver. I recommend we see some of that. The only problem is everyone can see your movements. :laugh4:

Such a shame. I was going to invade Russia by sending an invasion force west. It would have taken a long time, but they would not have seen it coming.

[Splitpersonality]

He's letting ME pass by fine enough, and it's not just becuase we're "cold country" buddies, I've got no problems with the Sweedes! They're cool dudes.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Any chance you have just had a wave of xenophobia and arent letting anyone pass through your channel?

No, I dont think I am going to get involved in this little war. ~;) got better things to do. Sorry. Although..... if the two of you were to bid on rights to the English channel I would not be able to turn down a good deal. :beam: (sorry Sweden, you are the ones who did not want to ally. I have little diplomatic contact with either of you. which makes this a perfect situation for me.)

[scottishranger]

No, I dont think I am going to get involved in this little war. ~;) got better things to do. Sorry. Although..... if the two of you were to bid on rights to the English channel I would not be able to turn down a good deal. :beam: (sorry Sweden, you are the ones who did not want to ally. I have little diplomatic contact with either of you. which makes this a perfect situation for me.)

Haha np.

And besides, my stated objectives were to harrass your shipping. I certainly dont plan on invading Spain. Im merely supporting my ally France.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Haha np.

And besides, my stated objectives were to harrass your shipping. I certainly dont plan on invading Spain. Im merely supporting my ally France.

ohh thats cool. :yes: I will be sitting this one out, good luck to both sides. :juggle2:

(how does one harass ones shipping? Will Scottish have to blockade Spains ports?)

[Greyblades]

To do that he'd have to fight off my navy on my turf (Millitarily suicidal) or attack the ports of my trading partners (Political Suicide).

[Beskar]

I will say this, if Sweden tries to grab Southern Netherlands, he will open up another war.

[scottishranger]

Because I obviously have an interest in the Spanish Lowlands.

FEAR GUSTAVUS!

He can appear in the night, like a ghost, in the middle of your capital, raze it to the ground, impregnate your women, eat a nice meal, and begone in the blink of an eye

[Beskar]

EDIT: So, that means we have 4 wars going!
Ottoman-Austrian, French-Swiss, Spanish-French and Swedish-Spanish wars.:dizzy2:

It is only three. Spanish joined the war on the Swiss side.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

It is only three. Spanish joined the war on the Swiss side.

This is what he said:

I, King Felipe the Third, Declare that Spain is to wage war on the kingdom of france untill thier armies are quelled and thier government conceeds defeat or is otherwise subdued.

If he wanted to join the war in support of Switzerland then he should have said that. Currently I take it as a separate war.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I created "The Thirty Years War" (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/group.php?groupid=116) social group for the players. :bow:

I hope this keeps spam like posts away from this thread. Also, I'll try to post a FAQ there soon.. just to make it much easier for you to play the game.

~:)

[Centurion1]

well ive missed quite a bit. France if you inherit those lands dont expect a friendly neighbor to your north.

[Double A]

In support of Poland, the Ottoman Empire declares war on Lithuania.

[Beskar]

If he wanted to join the war in support of Switzerland then he should have said that. Currently I take it as a separate war.

My mistake then. I was under the impression Spainish did it on behalf of the Swiss, like it is mentioned in the thread earlier.

[Greyblades]

Meh either way I'm going to thrash the french and make them surrender the lands they took.

[Centurion1]

interesting to see how france conducts a two front war one with a major power.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

interesting to see how france conducts a two front war one with a major power.

I know how but if I tell you now it would be cheating.. right? :clown:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

so is the phase over? :inquisitive: just wondering :yes:

[Centurion1]

i think so cdf.

Nah ibn i like surprises. Hows the write up looking?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

It's almost done. The write up should be posted tomorrow evening(I hope:sweatdrop:).

[Centurion1]

Gah, ima kill myself in suspense......

Take your time though.

hey a little note here i think from now on if you want to declare war on someone you should do it with at least 10-12 hours left in the turn. Otherwise people may not be online at the time and have no way to prepare. Im going to do it from now on out of courtesy but i would recommend it for everyone else as well.

[Greyblades]

Wait what if we want to surprise attack someone? It might not be common for the period but a surprise attack has allways been an effective tactic.

[Csargo]

Wait what if we want to surprise attack someone? It might not be common for the period but a surprise attack has allways been an effective tactic.

Never-mind

[White_eyes:D]

I kinda want to drop this.....missing those two rounds is going to hurt.....I think someone should replace me:bow:

[Beskar]

Though you dropping out will hurt more.

Stay in!

[Centurion1]

NO!!!!!!!! dont drop two rounds is noting. dont worry about it.

[Beskar]

Think of it this way, you still have plenty of room to expand. Look at me! :P

[Double A]

Maybe Ibn could give you some kind of compensation?

[Beskar]

I would have been fine, but he actually made me weaker, because I traded with everyone, so I had 25% of everyones income (except Spain and Transylvania) hence why he made that only had have two very close partners to do that with.

I would have become the Richest or one of them. :beam:

[Centurion1]

bah will still be making a positive income beskar.... your not the smallest nation on the map.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I kinda want to drop this.....missing those two rounds is going to hurt.....I think someone should replace me:bow:

I hope you reconsider this.
But if you don't then I'll find someone to replace you.
Russia is too important to just turn into white or it's lands to be handed to other players.


I would have been fine, but he actually made me weaker, because I traded with everyone, so I had 25% of everyones income (except Spain and Transylvania) hence why he made that only had have two very close partners to do that with.

I would have become the Richest or one of them. :beam:

Btw, no one mentioned in their orders for this turn with whom they want to share 25% from their trade.
Trade Agreement - land trade.
Trade Treaty - 25% from their trade, whit maximum of 2 players

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, uh.... Spain and the Ottomans.

Just because they're huge and I think that's awesome.

(Size queen!)

[Csargo]

I hope you reconsider this.
But if you don't then I'll find someone to replace you.
Russia is too important to just turn into white or it's lands to be handed to other players.



Btw, no one mentioned in their orders for this turn with whom they want to share 25% from their trade.
Trade Agreement - land trade.
Trade Treaty - 25% from their trade, whit maximum of 2 players

Whoever I'd get the most income from :beam:

[Beskar]

I know a replacement for Russia, if worse comes for the worse. However, White_Eyes should stay.

[Double A]

Whoever I'd get the most income from :beam:

Me and either Spain or Russia.

:tongue3:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Me and either Spain or Russia.

:tongue3:

You and either Spain or Russia make a lot of money through taxes but trade is another thing. ~;)

[Beskar]

How big of a difference is there between me and Ottomen then?

[Centurion1]

thats cause you got no friends double a.

[Double A]

Yes, believe that I have no friends.

[Beskar]

Double A is in a secret alliance with Austria. How it works, if that they appear they are war with eachother, then they both spring an attack on other parties, and they pretend they will help that party against the other.

[Splitpersonality]

I'm your friend mighty Ottoman empire <3

[Ibn-Khaldun]

-Year 1619-
from July to December
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/Siege_of_Breda.jpg

“All quiet on the eastern front“ became a common phrase in Vienna by the end of December. Although Austrian forces besieged Turkish forts in Balkan and Hungary they made no moves to actually attack those fortifications. Austrian attempt to go around those forts also failed when Turks managed to build another two forts on the border and after that the war slowed down. However, more interesting news came from Prague. Frederick V, King of Bohemia, died. Since the only legitimate heir was the Emperor Ferdinand II all Bohemian lands became his property once again. This angered the people in Bohemia because just a year ago they had received independence from the Habsburg rule.

In France, people were not as carefree as the people in Vienna. Their army in Germany was destroyed by the Swiss and Spanish entered Southern provinces of Milan after wiping out a small French mercenary force there. The most painful loss for the French was the death of general de Caumont by the Swiss hands, though. At first things might look bad for Louis XIII but the look can be deceitful. France had several forts on the border and which bought them some time to raise another army to replace those they lost. Although two of them, Chateau Subotan and SpainSmells(Louis XIII must be going crazy?), were under siege they still had a chance to win this war. The help had came from the most unexpected place. Namely, Swiss had given it's lands in Southern Germany to Saxony and thus the Swiss had reduced their territory size greatly. A strong French army might try to invade Switzerland while the Swiss were occupied with the siege of the French fort. Also, Swedish king Gustav II Adolf, honoring his alliance with Louis XIII, declared war on Spain who now have to fight in three fronts and could possibly lose it's holdings in Netherlands.

While the French, Spanish and Swiss fought their war in Western Europe,their neighbors increased their military. Whether they felt themselves threatened or not,it was a fact that most nations had armies ten or twenty times larger than they were just couple of years ago. Will this lead to another war only time will tell.

Though the wars were the main subject for discussion in taverns across the Europe, people also heard the news how Portugal fought terrible „battles“ against desert sands and sun in Algeria. They also could heard how Transylvania increased it's territory by cutting previously Ottoman controlled Wallachia in two and conquering small states in Moldavia.

The map:
https://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh311/ibnkhaldun/30yw/30YW_kingdoms_turn5.jpg

[Greyblades]

Um, ok why did two of my armies not move?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Um, ok why did two of my armies not move?

Were they the forces near a french fort? If they were then they could not move any closer to the forts without siege artillery battering the walls for a bit. :yes: (I think)

[Greyblades]

I said two and one of them didnt even have to enter france. Also why is southern Netherlands still mine?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I said two and one of them didnt even have to enter france. Also why is southern Netherlands still mine?

I did not received orders that where you gave it to someone else.
Army movement issue.. I'll PM you.

[Beskar]

oops, I meant my city to be Hex 3.. doh... does it take a turn to move a city? ^^;

Also, bad Greyblades :whip:

[Greyblades]

Hey I forgot, Honest mistake :sweatdrop: Is there any chance I can give it to him now?

[Centurion1]

interesting developments.........

austria seems to be stronger than ever.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now that I've wiped the French off of my boot, I shall be claiming my lands back, thank you very much.

I have the siege artillery required to bust down your walls, and the mercenary forces to rapidly retake all the lands you've stolen. You should think about surrendering unconditionally... unless you are still trapped by the misleading size of our borders.

:laugh4:

[Beskar]

Saxony looks like Pacman and it looks like he is going to eat me. :help:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

oops, I meant my city to be Hex 3.. doh... does it take a turn to move a city? ^^;

Also, bad Greyblades :whip:

In your orders it was "Hex2"
Luckily for you, "destroying" a settlement does not use orders so.. Just say where you want it to be built when you send orders for this turn.


Hey I forgot, Honest mistake :sweatdrop: Is there any chance I can give it to him now?

You can give it to me now but I don't change last turns map anymore(unless I have made some mistakes).

[Askthepizzaguy]

You can give it to me now but I don't change last turns map anymore(unless I have made some mistakes).

Gee, if I didn't know better I'd say that Ibn-Khaldun was trying to make his own nation... :laugh4:

[Beskar]

In your orders it was "Hex2"
Luckily for you, "destroying" a settlement does not use orders so.. Just say where you want it to be built when you send orders for this turn.

Yes, I am well aware that I said Hex2. I am not holding any accountability or anything towards you, to worries. I know I made the mistake. What is funnier, I said Hex 5 the first time round, I don't even own Hex5, do I?

[Centurion1]

im going to laugh at all of you for messing up your orders, heehee.

Well france your position doesnt look so unassailable now does it?

austria we need to talk.

[Double A]

I didn't mess up my orders, someone else did.

:clown:

[Centurion1]

yeah but you didnt really do anything now did you?

if only the Austrians had siege artillery

[Double A]

Actually I made 2 forts and a city.

Besides the usual stuff anyway.

[Centurion1]

you and your dam forts.........

[Greyblades]

I know how you feel...

[Double A]

you and your dam forts.........

They block armies, not water.

[Double A]

Saxony looks like Pacman and it looks like he is going to eat me. :help:

I'm sure the Southern Netherlands feel the same way about you :smash:

[Beskar]

I'm sure the Southern Netherlands feel the same way about you :smash:

Haha, I ate Southern Netherlands, though, some one forgot their order to do it. :smash:

[Greyblades]

I cant do it anyway, my men are blocked from leaving the area by france's fort and seeing as I dont have millitary acess to your lands I cant hand over the land without being forced into the forts line of fire by the ensuing evacuation.

[Beskar]

You could build a seige cannon, that would nulify the effect. or build a boat for transport then send your units out to sea.

If that is not possible, I would do temporary military access, with your units effectively being disarmed by dutch forces, then you are allowed to pick your weapons up when you leave. (aka, military access claus which makes you unable to use your units against me) Though, Ibn would have to say whether or not that is possible.

If worse comes for the worse, you could disband and I will pay the cost of you replacing your units. However, I am guessing that would require turns for you to replace, which you don't have at this moment.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

You could build a seige cannon, that would nulify the effect. or build a boat for transport then send your units out to sea.

If that is not possible, I would do temporary military access, with your units effectively being disarmed by dutch forces, then you are allowed to pick your weapons up when you leave. (aka, military access claus which makes you unable to use your units against me) Though, Ibn would have to say whether or not that is possible.

If worse comes for the worse, you could disband and I will pay the cost of you replacing your units. However, I am guessing that would require turns for you to replace, which you don't have at this moment.

If you have siege artillery and move your army onto hex adjacent to fort then siege battle will be fought. However, the losses for the attacker will be great since they are under constant artillery fire from the fort.
Also, an army with siege artillery automatically "besiege" any enemy fort nearby. Leave that army there and after 5 turns fort do not have any cannons left and it would be very easy to conquer it then(especially when it didn't had any garrison in it).

Edit: You can give him temporarily military access so that he could move his troops from your land.

[Beskar]

ok, I will do that in the orders then.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizzaguy asks:

I can haz moar updates?

English: ETA on the end of turn report?

[Double A]

Pizzaguy asks:

I can haz moar updates?

English: ETA on the end of turn report?

Please rephrase your question in American.

[Centurion1]

he wants to know how much more time before he gets his end of turn report.

EDIT: also whens this turn over?

[Askthepizzaguy]

well it had better not be over before I get my danged report!

I can't send in orders without it

[Double A]

I can, but it makes me feel secure to see my bulging treasury. I'm not even joking.

[Centurion1]

^ and it does Saxony comfort to see my territory increase exponentially every turn...... and to watch yours decrease heretic.

[Double A]

Yet I still make more money a turn than you own. How pathetic.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Pizzaguy asks:

I can haz moar updates?

English: ETA on the end of turn report?

I will send them once I get back from work. ~:)

[Centurion1]

bitter much, heretic swine

[miotas]

Yet I still make more money a turn than you own. How pathetic.

:bigcry:

[Double A]

:bigcry:

I didn't mean you ~:pat:

[Centurion1]

ive discovered that i have expanded by about 11x. And i never declared war.

how much expansion you done Heretic?

[Csargo]

He only knows how to build forts... There should be some sort of rule against so many. It's getting ridiculous.

[Beskar]

You can only have 1 city, fort and port in a province.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Double A placed his forts perfectly to block the Austrians, but can he keep it up? That is the question. Its a interesting front. My money is on Austria, but I can feel that this is going to be a LOOONNNGGG war.

[Centurion1]

long and boring

[Askthepizzaguy]

When does the round end? I need a little more time now that I have my report.

[Double A]

ive discovered that i have expanded by about 11x. And i never declared war.

how much expansion you done Heretic?

I broke about even.


He only knows how to build forts... There should be some sort of rule against so many. It's getting ridiculous.

I've built 3 ports and a city too... take that back!

[Double A]

When does the round end? I need a little more time now that I have my report.

Ditto, I need to prefect my orders now. Well I shouldn't say now, cause I have homework....

[Csargo]

I've built 3 ports and a city too... take that back!

okay I take it back.:laugh4:

[Centurion1]

yeah i need to refine my orders quite a bit.... my finances took a real hit

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Alright who wants to be my two trade partners? :2thumbsup: EH?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Deadline for orders is 06:00 GMT tomorrow(Friday, November 20th)

[Centurion1]

yeah we reallyyyy need to discuss this drizzit

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

It is with a heavy Heart that I, King James the 1st of England, deliver this message. The war in Europe strengthens, and I fear I have already seen the outcome. I have chosen to throw my lot into this war, and am doing so on the side of the Swiss. England declares war on the kingdom of France, and may God have mercy on all of our souls. We are marching to war, and hope it is not for long.

[Subotan]

Deadline for orders is 06:00 GMT tomorrow(Friday, November 20th)

06:00, or 18:00? Because there's no way I'll get mine in for the former.

Edit: Wait, :daisy:! Perfidious Albion!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

06:00 GMT is 8 o'clock in the morning in here and thus I'm able to start going through your orders.
However, if you can't send yours because of RL then send them later in that day. :yes:

[Double A]

I'm in the US east coast, that's -6 GMT I think... I'm definetly going to be asleap then. Can I get them to you at 6pm if I can't do them now?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yes, since I'll be at work from about 12:00 GMT to 22:00 GMT.
So, I can't do much with your orders before the weekend :shame:

[Centurion1]

yeah ill turn mine ina little late unfortunately....

[Splitpersonality]

EST is GMT -5.

Just for the record :D

[Csargo]

Invade Poland, win the game.

Also, orders in.

[Splitpersonality]

Do not invade poland please D:

We are a peaceful people!

[Double A]

Invade Poland, win the game.

Also, orders in.

You're off a century or two my German friend.

[Csargo]

You're off a century or two my German friend.

I thought that was always the rule? I've been lied to all these years. :bigcry:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Those few who haven't sent their orders yet, please do so before 22:00 GMT.
All public announcements(DoW's etc) will not be valid after that.

Russia is out of the game at the moment but I'll find someone to replace White_eyes:D.

There were some people who wanted to join the game previously so I hope one oh them is still interested.
If I can't find someone to replace him then I'll cut the map a bit smaller.

[Beskar]

Also, Spain, remember to give a certain area to me. :smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

His heart?

[Greyblades]

I'll only give it to you now if you give me MA and a unit of artillery otherwise You'll have to wait for France's fortress to be smashed down.

[Centurion1]

Spain you agreed to a deal........ you better go through with it. Recruit it yourself.

[Subotan]

Spain you agreed to a deal........ you better go through with it. Recruit it yourself.

Heh, and you thought I was untrustworthy, despite the fact I am the one who has honoured all agreements I have made with foreign countries. However, Spain:

1. Agreed to split Italy with Swizerland - That doesn't seem likely to happen now, seeing as the Spanish control almost the whole peninsula.

2. Became an ally of Switzerland in order to protect Switzerland from being merely reduced to it's original size by France, but only declared war once Switzerland was already soundly beaten by my forces

3. And now this kerfuffle, in which it seems certain that Spain has betrayed somebody else. Again.

Although I'm not going to bother saying "Don't ally with Spain", it would be wise to be cautious when dealing with them. Treachery is not only not unknown to them, but it is second nature to the Spanish. Either way...watch your back. And know that France will always be watching yours, and be ready to protect it.

[Greyblades]

Your an fool good sir and a blind one at that Switzerland is going to get venice and the netherlands will get flanders as per the deals the only reason I have not carried them out by now is because of your interference (OOC: and a mix up with the host) Or do you deny that you have an army sitting on the north eastern boder of venice?
And Beskar I'll give you the land if you give me millitary access.

[Centurion1]

beskar hasnt been on very much recently but as an ally i am sure he would agree to military access between your nations until you leave the spanish netherlands.


Lol subotan you interrupted my deal with the swiss.

[Double A]

Heh, and you thought I was untrustworthy, despite the fact I am the one who has honoured all agreements I have made with foreign countries. However, Spain:

1. Agreed to split Italy with Swizerland - That doesn't seem likely to happen now, seeing as the Spanish control almost the whole peninsula.

2. Became an ally of Switzerland in order to protect Switzerland from being merely reduced to it's original size by France, but only declared war once Switzerland was already soundly beaten by my forces

3. And now this kerfuffle, in which it seems certain that Spain has betrayed somebody else. Again.

Although I'm not going to bother saying "Don't ally with Spain", it would be wise to be cautious when dealing with them. Treachery is not only not unknown to them, but it is second nature to the Spanish. Either way...watch your back. And know that France will always be watching yours, and be ready to protect it.

Yeah well didn't you kinda attack ATPG when he offered you Burgundy for free?


I thought that was always the rule? I've been lied to all these years. :bigcry:

Don't worry it's never too early to invade France! You can still fufill your destiny! Just make sure you don't do anything in the first war and then completly pwn them in the second one!

[Beefy187]

If no one has picked up the offer to play Russia, then I would like to join

[Askthepizzaguy]

2. Became an ally of Switzerland in order to protect Switzerland from being merely reduced to it's original size by France, but only declared war once Switzerland was already soundly beaten by my forces

Other than defeating the one solitary mercenary infantry unit which was picking up unclaimed lands, which battle did you win against me? Didn't I whip your bottom in every battle so far besides that, taking minimal casualties in the process?

Soundly beaten in your own mind, perhaps.


Either way...watch your back. And know that France will always be watching yours, and be ready to protect it.

France will always be watching your back, ready to stab it, even though you were a friendly party willing to gift them land as a token of friendship after obtaining it from their blood enemies.

:laugh4:

Everyone be on the lookout for the French King. He's the one running around with a bare bottom with big red welts on it, and polka-dotted underpants on his head, leading an invisible French army which is soundly thrashing an invisible Swiss army.

[Beskar]

beskar hasnt been on very much recently but as an ally i am sure he would agree to military access between your nations until you leave the spanish netherlands.


I already did Military access at beginning of the phase.

Also, it is called "Southern Netherlands" :smash:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If no one has picked up the offer to play Russia, then I would like to join

Russia is still open.
Good to have you. :bow:
If you have any questions then you can PM me, ask them here or in the social group.
I try to answer them as soon as possible.

[Splitpersonality]

Ibn, obviously everything that White_eyes:D had done in the game transfers over yes?

Such as alliances, trade partners, etc.

Assuming that is true, would we need to resend this to you?

[Beskar]

I given Beefy some proto-type orders to assist him in this phase (simple land-grab into white squares), not sure whether or not Ibn would allow him to cover the phases White Eyes were idle for. I don't mind him doing them if they were those white squares/city building, etc. Brings about a more balanced Russia.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Ibn, obviously everything that White_eyes:D had done in the game transfers over yes?

Such as alliances, trade partners, etc.

Assuming that is true, would we need to resend this to you?

No, he can make his own alliances and find his own trade partners.
However, all armies etc will be transferred over.


I given Beefy some proto-type orders to assist him in this phase (simple land-grab into white squares), not sure whether or not Ibn would allow him to cover the phases White Eyes were idle for. I don't mind him doing them if they were those white squares/city building, etc. Brings about a more balanced Russia.

If he sends me orders with building something or conquering some white hexes then I accept those.
But other than that, no.

Must say that this turn "real" battle took place. Not huge armies against small ones anymore. :2thumbsup:

[Beskar]

No, he can make his own alliances and find his own trade partners.
However, all armies etc will be transferred over.

If he sends me orders with building something or conquering some white hexes then I accept those.
But other than that, no.

How many did he miss? I could quickly draw some up (with Beefy's approval) with explanation behind them, so he knows what happened and how to do orders. (Or argubly, you could do that, as you are classed as a neutral party.)

[Centurion1]

Hey Beefy!

tight so ibn have the write ups been getting easier as we progress in the game.....

(meaning how much longer im so excited! to see the battle)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

How many did he miss? I could quickly draw some up (with Beefy's approval) with explanation behind them, so he knows what happened and how to do orders. (Or argubly, you could do that, as you are classed as a neutral party.)

How many alliances and trade partners? Not many.
But whit his Tax money the loss of trade partner is not really noticeable :beam:

Beskar, if you want then you could explain how things work in this game to Beefy.
I can then finish this turn faster. ~:)

[Centurion1]

oh yeah i forgot that beefy has to learn the game now.

[Beefy187]

Sorry for the wait. I've sent my orders in, although I am really not sure if I did it right.

Guessing this game is like hex empire?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

It's the first time I've heard about Hex empire but looks like they are similar indeed.

[Beskar]

Royal Court size = size of Army, right?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Royal Court size = number of Generals
(RC size 15= 3 Generals)

Number of hexes = number of "national" units

[Beskar]

So wait... Royal Court is only to do with number of different armies you can have then, basically?

Doh, I thought it was to do with the number of army units I could have, hence why I been expanding it. :laugh4:

[Splitpersonality]

and if your royal court is too large your public order declines.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Basically, yes.
Though, you can have as many Militia and Mercenary armies you want since they don't need generals to lead them.
Also, if you want several fleets(with warships) you need to expand your RC since Admiral recruitment works just like General recruitment.

split is correct. If Royal Court becomes too huge PO will decline plus couple of other things might happen(no, I am not going to tell you what).

[Splitpersonality]

I'm going to take a stab and say that eihter a revolution happens, or someone in your court, or your whole court, takes over and kills the active king.

So I'd watch out for that ;P

[Ibn-Khaldun]

It's too early for revolutions but for civil wars.. :rolleyes:

Also, I hope to post the write up tomorrow evening and since A Very Super Market is helping me then I hope Last Turn Report pm's will be sent to you then as well. ~:)

[Splitpersonality]

Thanks AVSM :D

[Centurion1]

Yeah way to go AVSM

[Beskar]

AVSM: I will help!

*5 days later*

Ibn: Hey... AVSM, how is the update coming?
AVSM: What do you mean?
Ibn: *facepalm*

Elsewhere....

Johnhughthom is naked waving around a Claymore.
William Wallace: Hey, why are you naked?
Johnhughthom: Allows me to run faster!
William Wallace: When I said to moon the English... oh nevermind, FREEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!

Nearby...

Death is Yonder: So, you want me to play as Russia?
Greyblades: Oh my...
Centurion1: I will get revenge!!!!
*Majority of the game make an alliance to take on Russia and declares war*
Death is Yonder: Tee Hee
Beefy187: Hey guys.. why are you attacking me?

[Greyblades]

Greyblades: Oh my...

Dare I ask why I would be saying that?

[Beskar]

Reference to Cold War Crisis and you remembering as Host. Only reason you put it in. Centurion1 as DIY attacked him. Beefy because he is the one who took over as Russia and getting into trouble because of DIY. DIY is being mischievious.

[Greyblades]

Actually That sort of thing is pretty much what I expected when I started CWC, instead what I got was russia and china blowing the snot out of eachother, britain restarting the colonial age and Germany going Batpoop crazy in Europe.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

man..... If only real history ended up like that :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: Just imagine how messed up we would all be.


Good times........

[A Very Super Market]

AVSM: I will help!

*5 days later*

Ibn: Hey... AVSM, how is the update coming?
AVSM: What do you mean?
Ibn: *facepalm*

Elsewhere....

Johnhughthom is naked waving around a Claymore.
William Wallace: Hey, why are you naked?
Johnhughthom: Allows me to run faster!
William Wallace: When I said to moon the English... oh nevermind, FREEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!

Nearby...

Death is Yonder: So, you want me to play as Russia?
Greyblades: Oh my...
Centurion1: I will get revenge!!!!
*Majority of the game make an alliance to take on Russia and declares war*
Death is Yonder: Tee Hee
Beefy187: Hey guys.. why are you attacking me?

Eh? Why do I have a reputation fro slacking off?

[Centurion1]

hey china was peaceful we were attacked unfairly and without warning. lol britian was like chinas closest ally now dont tell me thats not weird

[Centurion1]

dued i think its more like your online time is sort of patchy sometimes.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

hey china was peaceful we were attacked unfairly and without warning. lol britian was like chinas closest ally now dont tell me thats not weird

Hey, it was pretty weird for me too, but when the other allies you tried to make end up going inactive you make due...... It was China and India who ended up being my closest allies, which surprised me (mostly China, as me and India had a pact from the games beginning). :sweatdrop: Then when I started being pulled back into NATO I got all angry, cause I am my own nation. :whip: Not some US lapdog. Which led to everything else. South Africa was my little plan from the beginning, I staged the attack on Rhodesia to give me an excuse to invade and take control. :yes:


..... Good Time. :laugh4::laugh4: DIY as Russia was fun, as well as YLC as the Czechs. I will have fond memories of that game, Thanks Greyblades.




I am getting off topic, thanks for helping Ibn AVSM :bow: