[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[PershsNhpios]

Well until you write the new revisited manual on Mafia, once you write Vote: ingame you cannot legitimately do so again until writing Unvote; .

[PershsNhpios]

There seems to be a lack of activity...

I think, looking at the tally and all previous posts, most would agree that a tie is most appropriate, so;

Unvote; Vote: Abstain


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8:00PM EST

8 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades, autolycus, Diamondeye, Beskar, Sasaki, Winston Hughes, YLC)

8 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor, Captain Blackadder, Romanic, Yaropolk, pevergreen, Reenk, Double A)

5 Classical Hero (Renata, ATPG, Seon, Rebel Jeb, Insanious)

3 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Beefy187)

3 YLC (Choxorn, Ironside, A.C.I.N.)

2 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Yaropolk)

2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)

1 Seon (DeathisYonder)

1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)

1 Beskar (Secura, ByzantineKnight)

1 Khazaar (Khazaar)

1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)

1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)

1 Sasaki Kojiro (Motep)

1 ReenkRoink (Frozen in Ice)

5 Abstaining (Nictel, Csargo, landlubber, Jarema, Glenn)


44/47 players having voted this round

[a completely inoffensive name]

Glenn you edited your post which invalidates your vote. Which I believe means that Warman still has 9 votes to my 8. Since voting time is over, it looks like luck was on my side.

[PershsNhpios]

Can you show me a precedent of that excuse being allowed?

Perhaps the host can clear up two things;

Whether Jarema's vote will count, creating a tie, or whether my vote will, creating a tie, or if neither are legitimate - meaning AKWC88 is lynched.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Can you show me a precedent of that excuse being allowed?

It's not an excuse, it's the rule. For someone who just nailed someone for not Unvoting before re-voting, why is it that when you fail to follow the rules it is something to just let go by?

[autolycus]

"-You may NOT edit your vote out of a post. You may edit a post with a vote in it so long as the edit does not affect the vote"
The Rules (emphasis added)
Sorry A.C.I.N., if Glenn's tally is right, his editing the post won't matter.

[woad&fangs]

It is a newer thing. I believe either 'khaan or GH started the "votes in edited posts don't count" thing. Most, if not all hosts follow that now.
edit: Looks like I should have actually read the rules to this game before I started. Thanks, autolycus!

[a completely inoffensive name]

"-You may NOT edit your vote out of a post. You may edit a post with a vote in it so long as the edit does not affect the vote"
The Rules (emphasis added)
Sorry Warman, if Glenn's tally is right, his editing the post won't matter.

From what I have been told in previous mafia games by the mods, is that you don't know if the vote is changed when a post is buried 3 pages back (no is paying attention to keep track), so no editing should be allowed period. I have been called on this rule before.

[autolycus]

It is a newer thing. I believe either 'khaan or GH started the "votes in edited posts don't count" thing. Most, if not all hosts follow that now.

The rules I quoted are Chaotix' ones on the first page of this thread. I think they're still accurate for this game :)

[classical_hero]

I think that Jarema relatively new to this, so we can be a bit lenient towards him for the first few times.

I do agree that changing votes should always be done in a new post and not editted out, since we should know all the changes made by players.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The rules I quoted are Chaotix' ones on the first page of this thread. I think they're still accurate for this game :)


http://kittensmewmew.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/fuuuuuuuuu.jpg

[PershsNhpios]

All this 'random' voting is a lot of pith and vinegar.

That's a highly coincedental vote for an incedental vote, Sasaki...

For what it's worth as they say, I believe Double A to innocent.


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4 Double A (Nightbringer, Classical Hero, Rebel Jeb, ATPG)

4 ATPG (Thefluffyone93, Jarema, Yaropolk, Sasaki)

3 YLC (Choxorn, Beefy187, Ironside)

3 AKWC88 (Robbiecon, Greyblades, Glenn)

2 johnhughtom (Winston Hughes, YLC)

2 A.C.I.N. (TinCow, God Emperor)

2 Classical Hero (Renata, Beskar)

2 Glenn (dcmort93, woad&fangs)

1 Nictel (autolycus)

1 Insanious (pevergreen)

1 Skooma (Diamondeye)

1 Choxorn (A.C.I.N.)

1 TinCow (Cecil XIX)

1 Beskar (Secura, ByzantineKnight)

1 Khazaar (Khazaar)

1 Captain Blackadder (Frozen In Ice)

1 pevergreen (Insanious)

1 Beefy187 (Skooma Addict)

1 Winston Hughes (johnhughtom)

1 Seon (DeathisYonder)

1 Sasaki Kojiro (Motep)

1 dcmort93 (Double A)

5 Abstaining (ReenkR, Seon, Nictel, Csargo, landlubber)


41/47 players having voted this round

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It looks like "Random.org" is 'randomly' attempting to keep the tie.

EDIT: Looking at the post count, I am going to Unvote; Vote: AKWC88 in direct obedience to a primary rule; Lynch the lurkers; since AKWC has been active since the game started but hasn't yet made an effort.
Come on round Warman and I will remove my vote.

Ha ha ha!

Well if my last vote doesn't count - nor does this one since it was also edited, which means one less vote for Warman, which means a tie.

[woad&fangs]

You posted while I was writing my post! I didn't know!
vote: autolycus

Dang it, looks like my vote gun is firing blanks. I'll get you next day, auto!

[Choxorn]

So... depending on how we count the votes, ACIN is lynched, or Warman is lynched, or there's a tie.

Did we get teleported to Florida and sent back to November 2000, and I just didn't notice?

[Motep]

Unvote, Vote: ACIN

The case against either is moot...but let us let the first day end. ACIN, I am sorry.

[Motep]

Unvote, Vote: Warman

As I said the case is moot, but ACIN is more active than warman.

[PershsNhpios]

That's a bit late Motep.

Chaotix is finally online, hopefully this can be cleared up now.

Having read the rules, it looks like a tie to me.

[Motep]

But is there really a set end? A deadline to miss? I saw none.

[PershsNhpios]

On page 2 (80 posts per thread) Chaotix said the day would end at approximately 8pm EST or GMT -5.
Maybe 8:30 would have been acceptable, but that was nearly four hours ago.

Still, Cowticks hasn't shown yet, so maybe it will count.. ?

[Motep]

Given the approximation, I would assume that the day ends when the post is made to call the results.

But this is just my guess.

[pevergreen]

As of now, all role PMs have finally been sent out.

I apologize for the delay; it was really poor preparation on my part.

This means that the phase will end at this time tomorrow- approximately 8 PM GMT-5 where I am.

Which was over 4 hours ago.

[Chaotix]

Round has ended. The last vote counted was Glenn's abstain.

I'll begin the write-up shortly, you can send night actions if you wish.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I can't give a night action if i don't know if I am alive.

[Motep]

Round has ended. The last vote counted was Glenn's abstain.

I'll begin the write-up shortly, you can send night actions if you wish.

Well, that settles that.

[Csargo]

Well, that settles that.

It's alright buddy, you'll get it next time.

[Motep]

It's alright buddy, you'll get it next time.

And to think, I almost had a vote that mattered...

:shame:

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote....

























































vote: Pedro

[Chaotix]

Final tally (Rechecked):

ACIN: 8 (TinCow, God Emperor, Blackadder, Romanic, Yaropolk, pevergreen, Reenk, Double A)
Warman: 8 (robbiecon, Greyblades, autolycus, Diamondeye, Beskar, Sasaki, Winston, YLC)

classical_hero: 5 (Renata, ATPG, Seon, Rebel Jeb, Insanious)

Double A: 3 (Nightbringer, classical_hero, Beefy)
YLC: 3 (Choxorn, Ironside, ACIN)

Beskar: 2 (Secura, ByzKnight)
Glenn: 2 (dcmort, woad&fangs)

Seon: 1 (DiY)
ATPG: 1 (Fluffy)
TinCow: 1 (Cecil)
Khazaar: 1 (Khazaar)
Beefy: 1 (Skooma Addict)
Winston Hughes: 1 (johnhughthom)
Sasaki: 1 (Motep)
Reenk: 1 (Frozen)

Abstaining: Glenn, Nictel, Csargo, landlubber, Jarema

Jarema did not unvote before he changed his vote, so it was not counted.
Glenn's original vote change was not counted due to an edit; he corrected it with a later unvote, but made the same Abstain so his vote never changed.

Sorry if it appears I'm being a stickler, but with votes these close I must take into account the rules I set out.

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The result is, obviously, a tie between ACIN and Warman. Now you get to see what happens when there is a tie. Stand by, this will only take a few minutes.

[Chaotix]

Day 1


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/AdmiralDane.jpg

When the votes were finished on the first day, as promised Admiral Dane stood up and tallied them, then gave the result.

“It seems we have a tied vote between two members of this crew.”

Admiral Dane then looked a bit puzzled, as if he didn’t know what to do next.

“Hrmm… I didn’t expect there to be a tie. There’s no protocol for what happens after a tie.”

The inhabitants of the GFS Olympus now looked worried. What would Admiral Dane do?

“I think that, since you have named me as director of this process, you must yield to my judgment on this matter. I have not yet decided what must follow; you must allow me time to think. When I have decided, I will announce the procedure and it shall be executed.”

The GF crew looked satisfied with this answer, while the IDFH fighters were less than pleased. There was no telling what Dane’s policy toward the IDFH could be, nor what how this would affect his decision.

[ULC]

I suggest a contest - the man who can hold his color the longest in complete vacuum wins. So long as we can drag the winner back inside of course, so don't float to far away from the ship!

Or we could arm wrestle! Course, I can only use my offhand when it comes my time so I'm not sure how that'll play out.

[pevergreen]

Lynch both.

[Double A]

They should play Desert Bus. Whoever stops first dies.

[a completely inoffensive name]

They should play Desert Bus. Whoever stops first dies.

I got 6 points on that game.

[Double A]

I got 6 points on that game.

You should join Loadingreadyrun's Desert Bus For Hope charity drive.

[classical_hero]

The easiest way is to play Rock, Paper, Scissors. Two out of three wins. The loser dies naturally.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Is that the result of the tie? No result?

When does day phase begin again?

[Death is yonder]

Hmm perhaps Chaotix has decided on a contest of sorts between the two tied players (EG: Rock paper scissors or something) and is waiting for orders from the players before commencing the write up.

Since its certain that he has prepared for this outcome (tie) beforehand, after all he did tell us we would see what happens with a tie, he's probably just waiting to "let us see what happens with a tie" when the orders/choices are in or something :yes:

[Yaropolk]

This result was a lot like tofu bacon

http://i56.tinypic.com/2nb9h6d.jpg

Unsatisfying!

[pevergreen]

As a note, the forum was down for the last hour, up 2 minutes ago as of this post.

[Double A]

Is that the result of the tie? No result?

When does day phase begin again?

The write-up seemed to imply that the first double lynch was a dud, but the next one will be directed by Michael Bay.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The write-up seemed to imply that the first double lynch was a dud, but the next one will be directed by Michael Bay.

Will the third one involve a bizarre lynch involving someone arbitrary that was only indirectly involved with making the tie? Because if so, I raeg quit.

[Double A]

You should really know this by now.

All lynch results on the org are bizarre.

[Chaotix]

Day 1 Continued

Admiral Dane sat and puzzled over this issue of the tie for a rather frustratingly long time. By the time he had made his decision (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWTJIHp9FiI), nobody really cared what was going to happen, and everyone was tired and grumpy.

There were two fighters who remained incredibly nervous due to their current status, however.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/ProfessorEGadd.jpghttps://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/DiddyKong.jpg

“ATTENTION! I have made my decision. It appears to me that the fairest settlement of this issue is to put both suspects to death!”

There was much clamor amongst the crew, now. Both of them? On the first day?

“Diddy Kong and Professor E. Gadd. You are hereby found guilty of treason towards the GFS Olympus and her crew, and for that crime the only punishment is death. What do you have to say for yourselves?”

The Professor looked resigned to his fate. He looked at the floor.

“Well, I am getting old. I suppose my time was going to come eventually, so here is not a bad place. If it helps you to find the real culprit.”

Diddy Kong, however, being a monkey, could not speak very well. The expression on his face, however revealed everything. Diddy Kong was MAD. He began screaming and pounding the floor with his fists. Suddenly he ran towards the Professor and jumped on his head, and proceeded to claw at his face. The Professor screamed in pain.

“Somebody stop that monkey!”

But it was too late. Diddy Kong was now standing behind E. Gadd and using him as a shield, while holding him by the neck and holding a gun to his head. A Peanut Popgun, in fact. The monkey screeched something that everyone took to mean, “Nobody move or I’ll shoot!”

Admiral Dane was not amused by the monkey’s antics.

“You are aware that I have ordered both of you to die? You just made my job easier.”

And with that, he pulled out a large Beam Cannon and fired it at the two unlucky heroes. Diddy Kong screamed and jumped out of the way, but the Professor was annihilated by the blast. Diddy Kong was now flying around the room in his Rocketbarrel Jet-Pack, with both Peanut Popguns unholstered. He rained down a barrage of deadly legumes at the crew of the Olympus. Diddy Kong may not have been the one they were looking for, but he wasn’t going down without a fight.

Admiral Dane’s usual grimace held fast to his face. In a surprised display of force, he jumped high into the air and delivered a kick, full force, into Diddy’s face. The frenzied monkey rocketed straight into a wall, and the barrel exploded, leaving him in a crumpled heap of burning fur.

Dane checked the body, and confirmed that all vital signs had terminated. The body of Diddy Kong and what was left of Professor E. Gadd were placed in the Quarantine Bay.

“That concludes today’s business. I hope that these two were the culprits we were looking for, but personally I doubt it. They looked innocent, but highly concerned for their own survival. Everybody should proceed to their night watch positions.”

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Living: 45/47
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
Beefy187
Beskar
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Cecil XIX
Choxorn
classical_hero
Csargo
dcmort93
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Double A
Frozen in Ice
Glenn
God Emperor
Greyblades
Insanious
Ironside
Jarema
johnhughthom
Khazaar
landlubber
Link
Motep
Nictel
Nightbringer
pevergreen
Rebel Jeb
Reenk Roink
Renata
robbiecon
Romanic
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Seon
Skooma Addict
Thefluffyone93
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
YLC

Dead: 2/47
a completely inoffensive name - Professor E. Gadd (IDFH Survivalist)
AntiKingWarmanCake88 - Diddy Kong (IDFH Survivalist)

Reserves:
ArpeggiateTHIS
Kagemusha
Raskolnikov

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Begin Night 1

It will end at approximately 12:00 PM GMT tomorrow.

I will have a summary thread for all the write-ups soon.

[Romanic]

Given the delay, I guess it's possible that one of us has the power to decide the faith of players involved in a tie, maybe even a scum player.

But player controlled or not, two lynches at the same time isn't a good result, so I think we should avoid ties in the future.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You guys were smart, I would have killed you all.

[Nightbringer]

You guys were smart, I would have killed you all.

You should have been Diddy Kong, if I knew what you looked like I could easily picture you zooming around with a barrel jetpack blasting peanuts at people.

[PershsNhpios]

So it's quite likely that if we have a tie of a GF member and an IDFH member, the GF player will be spared...

Anyone care for discussion of this?

It's obvious that the GF are a separate town, if not a rival one, but to be given an advantage such as this they must be a minority.

It's been a bad day for both IDFH and GF though I think...

[autolycus]

So it's quite likely that if we have a tie of a GF member and an IDFH member, the GF player will be spared...

Anyone care for discussion of this?

It's obvious that the GF are a separate town, if not a rival one, but to be given an advantage such as this they must be a minority.

It's been a bad day for both IDFH and GF though I think...

I agree this was not a good day for either IDFH or GF, although it could have been worse. Chaotix said that this game was influenced by Rubicon, so I would guess the survivalist aspect means that they could win with one of the mafia teams if they survived to the end. Given the alternation between Admiral Dane and Captain Falcon in counting the votes, my guess would be that on Dane days, if there's a tie, any GF players are spared, and on Falcon days, IDFH players are spared.

[Skooma Addict]

-Private communications with a single other player through PM are allowed.
-Private communications with multiple players, or communications where one is capable of anonymity (i.e. Quicktopics) are NOT allowed unless given express permission by the host.


I understood this to mean that we may only communicate with one person privately, ever. Is this a correct interpretation our dear beloved host?

[Diamondeye]

I agree this was not a good day for either IDFH or GF, although it could have been worse. Chaotix said that this game was influenced by Rubicon, so I would guess the survivalist aspect means that they could win with one of the mafia teams if they survived to the end. Given the alternation between Admiral Dane and Captain Falcon in counting the votes, my guess would be that on Dane days, if there's a tie, any GF players are spared, and on Falcon days, IDFH players are spared.

This was my impression as well, but I don't think we should try and test it. Too high losses.

[Chaotix]

I understood this to mean that we may only communicate with one person privately, ever. Is this a correct interpretation our dear beloved host?

No, sorry if that was unclear.

It means communications with a single person at any given time; basically it's another way of saying no chatrooms or quicktopics, no group meetings between players unless I specifically give them their own quicktopic to do so.

[classical_hero]

So if I am reading tis correctly, when you PM someone it can only be one person at a time. I don't know if multiple PMs can be sent here.

[Double A]

Members can send pms up to 5 people at one. Senior members can do more.

[PershsNhpios]

Chaotix should really spell it out, but I believe the rule is:

You can send PMs to anyone you wish, but you can only send them to one member at a time, in otherwords, no use of "cc:" is permitted.

The rule on quicktopics and chats is clear enough I think.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Members can send pms up to 5 people at one. Senior members can do more.

We also have access to the "super-duper" babe thread and the "TosaInu uncensored" thread.

Honestly, I've never seen such a polite man swear so much in a single sentence.

[Double A]

We also have access to the "super-duper" babe thread and the "TosaInu uncensored" thread.

Honestly, I've never seen such a polite man swear so much in a single sentence.

:laugh4:

Incedentially, how does one become a Senior Orgah?

[Beskar]

:laugh4:

Incedentially, how does one become a Senior Orgah?

You bribe Moderators and Staff, and give TosaInu a large donation under the guise of 'site maintenance'.

[Choxorn]

:laugh4:

Incedentially, how does one become a Senior Orgah?

By vanquishing a large enough amount of the hordes of evil to level up to Senior Orgah.

[Double A]

But Choxorn, I can't edit :daisy: into people's posts.

[pevergreen]

:laugh4:

Incedentially, how does one become a Senior Orgah?

Since no one else is answering this seriously:

Every so often, a group of people put forward candidates, it is then decided from those people.

Best way to become one: Always be nice, be helpful etc etc.

As for how I became one...well, no one could tell me, and I'm still struggling to figure it out after 3 years...

And now, because I can, heres the second oldest PM I still have, dated (what a coincidence!) 31/12/07


Hello pevergreen,

congratulations on behalf of the org-staff!

Best regards and a happy 2008

Ser Clegane

:bow:

The title of the PM was Senior Membership. :wink:

Grinding your teeth in anger yet? :beam:

[classical_hero]

:laugh4:

Incedentially, how does one become a Senior Orgah?
You don't ask for it, you get chosen for it.

[ULC]

Members can send pms up to 5 people at one. Senior members can do more.

Not entirely true - last time I checked i can do up to 20 at a time.

[autolycus]

Shouldn't we have a morning update? Chaotix, did you mean 12:00 AM GMT? Because we're well after 12:00 PM GMT.

[Insanious]

Shouldn't we have a morning update? Chaotix, did you mean 12:00 AM GMT? Because we're well after 12:00 PM GMT.

The night post is actually 13 hours late, it should of been posted a long time ago.

[Chaotix]

Shouldn't we have a morning update? Chaotix, did you mean 12:00 AM GMT? Because we're well after 12:00 PM GMT.

12:00 PM GMT-5. So, I'm 2 hours late. Apologies, starting the write-up.

I'm just going to delete that rule about the PMs because it's unnecessarily confusing and I get exactly the same effect by just not having it.

EDIT: The two rules about PMs now read:

-Private communications are allowed.
-Quicktopics, chatrooms, etc. are NOT allowed unless given express permission by the host.

Hopefully that is much clearer.

[Csargo]

Since no one else is answering this seriously:

Every so often, a group of people put forward candidates, it is then decided from those people.

Best way to become one: Always be nice, be helpful etc etc.

As for how I became one...well, no one could tell me, and I'm still struggling to figure it out after 3 years...

And now, because I can, heres the second oldest PM I still have, dated (what a coincidence!) 31/12/07



The title of the PM was Senior Membership. :wink:

Grinding your teeth in anger yet? :beam:

I feel cheated. I didn't get a PM from Ser Clegane :angry:

[Beskar]

I got one from GeneralHankerchief with "Just joking :laugh4:" at the end. :cry:

[Chaotix]

Night 1

In space, it is impossible to tell when the day ends and night begins, because neither exists. The GF had long been using a standardized 24 hour clock to keep time while on a spaceship. It was hard to get used to, and sometimes soldiers would wander the ship, bored, if they were not tired. Tonight, some would be wandering around for other reasons…

In the central control chamber, Aurora Unit 242 was still active. Being essentially a supercomputer with artificial intelligence, she did not need sleep. 242 was currently watching the ship through the surveillance cameras that were still working, hoping to catch the intruders that way. As she was essential to the maintenance of the GFS Olympus, she was heavily guarded outside the entrance.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/AuroraUnit242.png

The air ducts, however, were not guarded. A small figure dropped out of the air duct and onto the floor of the central control chamber, unnoticed by the Aurora Unit. It made some sort of a signal with its hands, and suddenly the liquid in the tank 242 was suspended in froze. 242’s major functions were stalled, and the figure slipped away into the shadows.

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The bounty hunter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maR8JOhho1k) Trace was moving through the narrow passageways of the Olympus, quickly and alertly. He knew he would be in danger, and knew that if he went to sleep, as was suggested of him, he might not wake up the next day. Trace figured the best defense was to be constantly on the move.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Trace.png

He was moving down one narrow corridor when he saw what appeared to be a large orange ball, rolling straight towards him. Curious, he stopped, and aimed his weapon directly at the ball. The ball rolled straight up to him and stopped.

Suddenly, and before he could react, the ball transformed into a figure Trace recognized instantly, and his body shook with fear. The Hunter bashed Trace in the head with her arm cannon, and Trace recoiled, starting to run away. He activated his cloaking device and sprinted towards the end of the hallway, hoping to escape.

The Hunter’s arm cannon began glowing with a pure, white light. She then pointed it forward, and released a charged beam that traveled incredibly fast, striking Trace in the back and disabling his cloaking device. Trace fell to the floor, unable to move due to the painful, burning sensation in his back. The Hunter walked up to his body, stepping on it, and pointed her arm cannon at his head. The Hunter fired.

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The engine room (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyXs1rUZ0Xs) was mostly quiet, except for one GF Mechanic who was still awake, trying to get it working again. As long as the engines were down, the Olympus was stranded in Pirate space, and therefore in even more danger than it already was. The Mechanic was hoping to get a head start.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/GFMechanic.png

A small creature dropped from the ceiling onto the top of the piece of machinery the Mechanic was working on, making a noise as it landed. Its eyes glowed an unnatural blue color. The Mechanic looked up, seeing the creature, and became alarmed. He tried to get up and run away, but as soon as he made a move, electricity burst from the creature and into the machinery, moving through it and into the wrench that the Mechanic was holding, finally traveling through his body. The small creature continued to electrocute the Mechanic until he was burnt to a crisp, then bounded off through the engine room gleefully.

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A shadowy figure walked through the hallways of the guests’ quarters, its heels making a distinctive sound as they struck the metal underneath them. Suddenly it stopped walking, apparently finding the door it was looking for, and opened it silently.

Inside, sleeping in the bed, was a young man clad in white, with the wings of an angel.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Pit.jpg

The shadowy figure walked up to his bed, waited contemplatively for a moment, then forcefully seized him by the throat and lifted him into the air. He woke up with a jolt, and was instilled with fear by the figure’s red eyes, glowing with malice.

“Time’s up, Kid Icarus. You flew too close to the sun.”

Pit struggled, but could not break his captor’s grip. Its hand was exceedingly cold to the touch, and a chill rapidly spread through his body, until frost formed on his skin. Finally a look of sheer horror fell over his face as he recognized his killer. The same look remained frozen on his face.

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Back in the central control room, Aurora Unit 242 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foaNVrvhpnM) was still unable to perform any sort of action or call for help. She was conscious, but paralyzed in her frozen tank.

Suddenly, the doors were blasted open with a loud explosion. 242 could see a dead GF soldier lying by the doorway. Through the doorway walked a figure clad in armor of midnight blue. A dark aura surrounded her, and it was palpable even to the Aurora Unit.

The Dark Hunter lifted its arm cannon. Dark energy began swirling around at its tip as she charged up the beam. 242, frozen, could do nothing to defend herself. The Dark Hunter pointed its gun directly at the Aurora Unit and fired.

The blast of shadowy energy shattered the glass canister and the ice inside of it. The Aurora Unit, with nothing to suspend it, fell to the floor in a large crash, the wires connecting it to the system snapping and sparking. The Dark Hunter’s arm cannon reconfigured itself and fired a missile at 242, and she exploded into fragments of metal, circuitry, and organic tissue.

In the place where Aurora Unit 242 was floating was a small, glowing canister (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1le7tOFExo), marked with a symbol. The Dark Hunter walked up to it and touched it. It disappeared, and the Dark Hunter glowed with an unholy light.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Powerups/ScanVisor.gif

With a new power at her fingertips, the Dark Hunter left the room, pleased.

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Living: 41/47
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
Beefy187
Beskar
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Cecil XIX
classical_hero
Csargo
dcmort93
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Double A
Frozen in Ice
Glenn
God Emperor
Insanious
Ironside
Jarema
johnhughthom
Khazaar
landlubber
Link
Motep
Nictel
Nightbringer
pevergreen
Rebel Jeb
Renata
Romanic
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Seon
Skooma Addict
Thefluffyone93
TinCow
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
YLC

Dead: 6/47
a completely inoffensive name - Professor E. Gadd (IDFH Survivalist)
AntiKingWarmanCake88 - Diddy Kong (IDFH Survivalist)
robbiecon - Trace (GF Survivalist)
Choxorn - GF Mechanic (GF Survivalist)
Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Greyblades - Aurora Unit 242 (GF Survivalist)

Reserves:
ArpeggiateTHIS
Kagemusha
Greyblades
Raskolnikov


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Begin Day 2

EDIT: It will end 48 hours from now due to the New Years holiday.

I will have results and updated role PMs for everyone who needs them ASAP.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So it seems likely we have multiple scumteams, that always makes things difficult.

vote:khaan

[Insanious]

So this was pretty much the most useless first day of a mafia game ever... no one talked about anything, and now day 2 is just like day 1 but we are down 6 people now... we going to start the almost obligatory "talk about lynching inactives, which then gives people something to analyze to actually start the thread off?" Or are we just going to continue to use random.org to find which targets we should lynch? Just wondering.

[ULC]

So this was pretty much the most useless first day of a mafia game ever... no one talked about anything, and now day 2 is just like day 1 but we are down 6 people now... we going to start the almost obligatory "talk about lynching inactives, which then gives people something to analyze to actually start the thread off?" Or are we just going to continue to use random.org to find which targets we should lynch? Just wondering.

I do not like this post - you sound like a tryhard, a despairing one at that. I especially do not like being told what I think, nor do I find it pleasent you'd subtle accuse the town of incompetence, and then try to formulate it into an innocent question. No townie would do this, not Day 1, 2, 10, or 20.

Vote: Insanious

Thanks for the lead though, power role or scum that you are.

[Captain Blackadder]

So this was pretty much the most useless first day of a mafia game ever... no one talked about anything, and now day 2 is just like day 1 but we are down 6 people now... we going to start the almost obligatory "talk about lynching inactives, which then gives people something to analyze to actually start the thread off?" Or are we just going to continue to use random.org to find which targets we should lynch? Just wondering.

If that is how you feel then begin by stating some views who do you find suspicious? Ask some questions, do something, do not just snipe from the sidelines.

[Greyblades]

Aw man dead on the first day? Hrmph, put me down for replacements.

[woad&fangs]

vote: Insanious At least give us a vote before you start disparaging our methods. A random day one is hardly a thorn in the IGFH and GH side.

[Nightbringer]

So this was pretty much the most useless first day of a mafia game ever... no one talked about anything, and now day 2 is just like day 1 but we are down 6 people now... we going to start the almost obligatory "talk about lynching inactives, which then gives people something to analyze to actually start the thread off?" Or are we just going to continue to use random.org to find which targets we should lynch? Just wondering.

Um, since when is the first day ever very useful? Honestly, there was a lot more of value than there usually is yesterday. This post strikes me very strangely. However, I am going to reserve judgement for later, when there are more posts to look at. For the time being though, lets post a nice clean vote:abstain

[Insanious]

I do not like this post - you sound like a tryhard, a despairing one at that. I especially do not like being told what I think, nor do I find it pleasent you'd subtle accuse the town of incompetence, and then try to formulate it into an innocent question. No townie would do this, not Day 1, 2, 10, or 20.

Vote: Insanious

Thanks for the lead though, power role or scum that you are.

Um.... I didn't tell you what to think in any way shape or form, where did you get that from my post? Nor did I accuse anyone of incompetence, I was just saying that no one was posting. Its really hard to find scum when all you have to go on is a post with "Vote player XXX". We had 3 pages of "/in" posts, 7 pages of voting, and ~1 page of day/night posts... there has been nothing to talk about or analyze.

Unless of course you have a talking point we can start on... or a good way to analyze 1st day voting to find scum...

[Motep]

Maybe we should go after those who wanted so badly that tie? It does not take much to figure that a tie would lead to both being dead, and any other result would still be good for the baddies.

Who honestly thought one would survive? I shoudl have voted earlier....Warman....I am sorry I could not save you. :shame:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote:motep

[Motep]

unvote, vote:motep

I am truly honoured.

:bow:

[Romanic]

Maybe we should go after those who wanted so badly that tie? It does not take much to figure that a tie would lead to both being dead, and any other result would still be good for the baddies.

Who honestly thought one would survive? I shoudl have voted earlier....Warman....I am sorry I could not save you. :shame:

Tsk, what are you talking about? Ties are usually resolved one way or another. I don't remember a game where all the tied players would die, so you can count me in those who "honestly thought one would survive".

Looking at the running tallies, it was rarely tied during the day. In fact after one player reached 5 votes, the tally was exactly tied 3 times and the way votes were going, I have doubts that any of them were created on purpose, except Glenn who was very specific on the matter.

Besides, how do you propose to find those "who wanted so badly a tie"?

[PershsNhpios]

Well that seems absolutely disastrous... Aurora 242 is marked down as a "Survivalist", but one would think she is a very powerful pro-town role - if she isn't of course, we can't complain! I am just surprised to be still alive (See Active Contributor in the Glossary).

I don't think there is any point in lynching Insanious just over his annoyance at how hopeless the town is in the first few rounds. His attitude reminds me of a pure townie who is disgruntled by the lack of options.

I'd like to point something out to new players if I may - something that might be obvious but which I didn't know about 'til after Capo II.

In the forum, when you look at the thread titles, if you click on the number of replies for that thread you will be given a list of all participants and the number of posts they have made in the thread.

By clicking on this number, you will be taken to a list comprising all posts that player made in order, start to finish.

This can be an invaluable tool of analysis.


And looking at that list this morning, one of the players I am liking least, and certainly one of the least helpful is

Vote: Rebel Jeb



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Separate edit:

FoS: A possible link between Motep and Romanic.

[Motep]

In the forum, when you look at the thread titles, if you click on the number of replies for that thread you will be given a list of all participants and the number of posts they have made in the thread.



I was trying to remember how to do that....I cannot believe I forgot something so simple. So beautiful.

And by "who desired a tie", I meant those who were actively trying to get one. Clarity...maybe not my strong point this evening.

If ties have been settled without both dying in the past, forgive my error. I have little previous experience guiding me here, and that which does guide me is far from fresh.

I accept your suspicion, but all I have to give in return in fudge. Voting you would be no good right now, and as far as my suspicions go, I will hunt back in the past over yonder to the left.

EDIT #2: This will be a moment waiting. Errands on new years eve...such a pity.

[Romanic]

Separate edit:

FoS: A possible link between Motep and Romanic.

Why are you raising that possibility?

[robbiecon]

I had a strange feeling I'd be killed off last night.oh well.

[Reenk Roink]

Well that was a short experiment... Finding out that I was just a townie was even more disappointing than being killed on the first night. :sad:

[PershsNhpios]

Why are you raising that possibility?

Because it's possible.

Why, is it true?

[classical_hero]

I'd like to point something out to new players if I may - something that might be obvious but which I didn't know about 'til after Capo II.

In the forum, when you look at the thread titles, if you click on the number of replies for that thread you will be given a list of all participants and the number of posts they have made in the thread.

By clicking on this number, you will be taken to a list comprising all posts that player made in order, start to finish.

This can be an invaluable tool of analysis.
Thanks for that pro-tip. I had a feeling there was a feature like that.

[Romanic]

Because it's possible.

Why, is it true?

No. Is this a trick question? I doubt anyone would answer yes in this case, mason or scum.

Are you evading my question on purpose? I'd still like to hear why you came up with this idea and why you chose to bring this up in the game thread.

[Frozen In Ice]

Vote: Glenn Your last post doesn't sit right with me. Not the part that classical_hero qouted above, that was actually very helpful, but the rest of it. You seem to be trying very hard to appear as a helpful townie, and that "possible Motep-Romanic" link is part of it. It seems like a very fragile connection to base suspicions off of and to me it comes off as trying really hard to appear townie. Not to mention you said you already trusted Double A on day 1, that also seemed off.

[Beskar]

Alright, I will be straight to the point.

I have received a private message from some-one claiming to be an investigator. I will be extremely unimpressed if this information is false and I will out the investigator straight away. Apparently they struck one of the scum last night in an investigation and they don't want to risk exposing themselves to everybody for the obvious reasons.

They have stated they investigated TinCow and received the result of him being "Corrupted Cloud Strife" and being one of the killers last night.

Vote: TinCow


Being honest, this is too important to ignore and I suggest lynching him asap.

[Insanious]

They have stated they investigated TinCow and received the result of him being "Corrupted Cloud Strife" and being one of the killers last night.

Vote: TinCow
I don't know if I believe this "Investigator":

1st killer = Samus
2nd killer = Seems to me like Pikachu, but no idea... there's only one episode with a blue eye'd pikachu... well a Mewtwo controlled Pikachu...
3rd killer = Someone with red eyes, and kills with cold
4th killer = Dark Samus

Cloud Strife is neither: Tiny and uses lightning, nor does cloud kill with cold...

Either:

1) Inverstigator is fibbing
2) Investigation result is wrong
3) Corrupted Cloud Strife kills by freezing people and is from Kid Icarus' LP
4) Corrupted Cloud Strike is tiny and kills people with lightning

To me, just doesn't seem to fit any of the 4 killers last night, might just be me.

Edit: just changed "dark cloud strife" to "corrupted cloud strife"

[Beskar]

1) Inverstigator is fibbing
2) Investigation result is wrong
3) Dark Cloud Strife kills by freezing people and is from Kid Icarus' LP
4) Dark Cloud Strike is tiny and kills people with lightning

Being honest, I doubt the investigator would have been stupid enough to lie to me, because if TinCow gets lynched and isn't 'Corrupted Cloud Strife', I would list their name in the post right after Chaotix's write-up. Not only that, they would probably receive an angry worded private message from TinCow himself and I would be extremely unimpressed.

Plus this isn't simply a random person requesting this from me, I trust this person enough to do this in the first place, because I would inform them to do it themselves otherwise.


However, there is the obvious alternative, where you are trying to defend your scum buddy...

[Skooma Addict]

Alright, I will be straight to the point.

I have received a private message from some-one claiming to be an investigator. I will be extremely unimpressed if this information is false and I will out the investigator straight away. Apparently they struck one of the scum last night in an investigation and they don't want to risk exposing themselves to everybody for the obvious reasons.

They have stated they investigated TinCow and received the result of him being "Corrupted Cloud Strife" and being one of the killers last night.

Vote: TinCow


Being honest, this is too important to ignore and I suggest lynching him asap.

I'll bite, ol' Beskie.

Vote: TinCow

[autolycus]

Vote:TinCow
It seems like this is a win-win situation. If TinCow is Corrupted Cloud Strife, we've almost certainly taken down a scum. If he isn't, we've identified a false prophet.

[johnhughthom]

Vote: TinCow

[PershsNhpios]

Frozen In Ice, why must suspicions be based on anything strong or obvious? I believe that is what votes are for.

My suspicions could be verily placed upon anyone or anything I please to suspect, if it appears suspicious to me.

I like the way Romanic and Motep are reacting, it is jaw-droppingly suspicious.

Romanic and Motep sitting in a tree K-I-L-L-I-N-G, all T-O-W-N-I-Es.


But note that I haven't voted for them yet.

[Insanious]

Alrighty then, I'll bite

Vote:TinCow

[classical_hero]

I like Auto's analysis of the situtation, so with that logic it seems best to vote:Tincow

[PershsNhpios]

Unvote; Vote: Insanious

One silly move too many Insanious; just what are you playing at?

I'm not convinced at all Beskar, you're just "being honest", I know - but this is inclined to have me doubting you.

[TinCow]

Ugh out of town and posting on phone. No time to defend myself at length due to nye party. Investigator is lying. Last night I was investigating. As proof, my result was that sasaki is Rundas, GF survivalist. He can confirm this.

[Insanious]

Unvote; Vote: Insanious

One silly move too many Insanious; just what are you playing at?

I'm not convinced at all Beskar, you're just "being honest", I know - but this is inclined to have me doubting you.

I am genuinely confused as to how I look scummy, can you please clarify? What specifically in my posts make me look like I am a RED?

[Romanic]

Not sure what to make of Insanious' analysis of who were the killers and why it cannot be this Corrupted Cloud Strife. Maybe I should read more on the characters we've seen so far.

@Beskar: Are you sure your source said that TinCow was one of the 4 killers from last night? I'm thinking that maybe he wasn't.

This stuff reminds me of a game on CFC where I was scanned on Day 1 as a threat to the nation, but I was innocent and the scanner was in fact, a bad scanner, getting wrong results, and I was lynched outright (Mars Attack! on CFC).

Anyway, I've never been big on coming out early when a scum is scanned. There's information to get from a known scum, looking at his posts and his votes, and I wish our scanner would have waited to see his 2nd result, simply on the possibility that his scans are not reliable.

Anyway, such a claim is too strong to ignore, so...

vote: TinCow

[PershsNhpios]

7 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Romanic)

2 Insanious (YLC, woad&fangs)

1 Motep (Sasaki)

1 Glenn (Frozen In Ice)

1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn

1 Abstaining (Nightbringer)
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Unvote; Vote: Rebel Jeb Sorry Insanious, my vote may have been unfounded - I need to reread this new escapade of Beskar's.

Apologies!

[Death is yonder]

This is indeed a situation where it is too good to pass over should the information be true.

Vote: Tincow

However, I cautiously note the eagerness in lynching the investigator should he be wrong. The current situation reminds me wayy too much of Star Wars Mafia where in a similar case, Tincow was "exposed" by an investigator who wrongly interpreted his results, and after that, got lynched himself [Rebel Jeb].

Non Vote Edit: I am curious however, as to why specifically Beskar was pmed. Why indeed? Out of all the number of people alive, and after the first night to boot (so its unlikely that said investigator scanned Beskar first).

[pevergreen]

Well that was a short experiment... Finding out that I was just a townie was even more disappointing than being killed on the first night. :sad:
I swear, whoever killed Reenk will face my wrath! KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

Ugh out of town and posting on phone. No time to defend myself at length due to nye party. Investigator is lying. Last night I was investigating. As proof, my result was that sasaki is Rundas, GF survivalist. He can confirm this.
Pending response from Sasaki -

Vote: TinCow

[Beskar]

Ugh out of town and posting on phone. No time to defend myself at length due to nye party. Investigator is lying. Last night I was investigating. As proof, my result was that sasaki is Rundas, GF survivalist. He can confirm this.

Is your night action the only thing you are denying? Because being honest, being called 'Corrupted Cloud Strife' doesn't look very Hero or GF-like.

I rather test this by fire, if the investigator is lying, they will be dead, and if you are lying.. well.. my apologises, better safe than sorry. Either way, a mafia/scum will be getting the chop. The investigator currently has more credibility at the moment, due to the fact they were specific in their result, that you are 'Corrupted Cloud Strife' and they put themselves at a big risk by requesting me to reveal this information on their behalf, as I would be first on the bandwagon for lynching them if they lied.

[Beskar]

I got more information from the Investigator.

They were only assuming that TinCow was one of last night's killers and apologises if this was incorrect, but he has revealed further information on his result.

"Corrupted Cloud Strife is a member of a faction called the Phazon (http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Phazon)"

So looks like we have a faction/group for who Corrupted Cloud Strife is working for or belong too.

Edit:

From the wikia link:

Phazon is a highly radioactive, mutagenic, and semi-sentient substance

Scans of dead troopers on the G.F.S. Valhalla also seem to indicate that Phazon found impaling troopers is absorbing the corpses and turning them into Phazon.

However, bioforms with prolonged Phazon exposure that do not die are horribly mutated. Exposure to Phazon radiation destroys brain cells and cognitive thought in sentient beings, yet it also sees a gain of muscle mass and other beneficial abilities. Phazon exposure, while destroying the mind, makes beings hunger for more Phazon. In turn, corrupted beings also have a natural instinct to protect Phazon and its source

Either the investigator knows a lot of meteroid to be able to pull something convincing, or this is a legitimate result and demonstrates the effort and thought Choatix put in the game.

[PershsNhpios]

Nonsense, Beskar, there are many more possiilities than that.

This isn't the first time an "if I'm wrong, you can all just lynch me" excuse has come up. Your investigator could be your invincible boss, or he could be an innocent townie which you intend to frame, or he could be non-existent.

I know this is too logical for most to comprehend, but maye we should suspend ALL votes on TinCow until we hear from Sasaki, since it is easier to get everyone to place a vote than it is to have them unvote. Bandwagons tend to be irreversible when it comes to one-post wonders such as pevergreen, classical_hero, Skooma Addict and johnhughtom.

[Seon]

We have Cloud Strife on our freaking ship?....

Can this be any crazier?

[classical_hero]

Ugh out of town and posting on phone. No time to defend myself at length due to nye party. Investigator is lying. Last night I was investigating. As proof, my result was that sasaki is Rundas, GF survivalist. He can confirm this.
That might be true, but it does not make you innocent.

[pevergreen]

Bandwagons tend to be irreversible when it comes to one-post wonders such as pevergreen, classical_hero, Skooma Addict and johnhughtom.

Unvote, Vote: Glenn

Stick that up your one post wonder.

[Romanic]

Frozen In Ice, why must suspicions be based on anything strong or obvious? I believe that is what votes are for.

My suspicions could be verily placed upon anyone or anything I please to suspect, if it appears suspicious to me.

I like the way Romanic and Motep are reacting, it is jaw-droppingly suspicious.

Romanic and Motep sitting in a tree K-I-L-L-I-N-G, all T-O-W-N-I-Es.


But note that I haven't voted for them yet.
:laugh4:

If someone's acting suspiciously, it's you. Twice you have thrown suspicions at me and twice you have ignored my request to know why I look suspicious to you. Throwing suspicions without backing up your claim is anti-town. It just looks like a scum trying to raise suspicion on someone without a good reason (cause let's face it, scum never have a good reason).

Also saying that someone is very scummy, and not vote for them, is even more anti-town. In this case you are saying that there's a connection between Motep and I, and that were are killing townies. All this without backing up your claim.

And I'm really not in your face because you are accusing me, this kind of behavior is clearly not helpful. My vote is not on you because there's a better candidate, but I'm not done with you.

And I won't bring up the fact that you wrote something along the lines of "I'm soooo Townie, but go figure the mafia let me live, wow!!!" (oh wait, I just brought it up).

[Beskar]

Just been referred to another wikia page, Dark Samus (http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Samus).


Dark Samus (ダークサムス DaakuSamusu, Samus Oscura in Spanish) is a being of Phazon taking on the form of Samus Aran. She made a brief cameo appearance in the secret ending of Metroid Prime, was a central character in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, and was the main antagonist in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.

Looks like he is part of the Dark Samus team.

[Beskar]

On another note, TinCow's result could be correct and he could still be mafia.

It isn't a first time a mafia team has got an investigator. See ATPG's Starwars game (Psychonaut), Netherworld 2 (Sigurd), Shadowfort (Psychonaut), etc

Trial by fire is definitely a way to go.

[Diamondeye]

While I'm going to go with Beskar's early (too early?) hit and vote:Tincow, I think there is some sort of reason to what Glenn says; even if we end up lynching TinCow, we should try and use this round to accumulate info on other players as well.

I'm going to actually click those links and make up an educated opinion when it's not 3:45 AM and I'm not drunk. So far, my vote's where it's ought to be.

[Beefy187]

Why kill Reenk on the first night?

[Romanic]

Ugh out of town and posting on phone. No time to defend myself at length due to nye party. Investigator is lying. Last night I was investigating. As proof, my result was that sasaki is Rundas, GF survivalist. He can confirm this.

This is hardly proof enough that you are a Town scanner. Scum can have access to investigative results on their own, and we've seen them use this information to claim scanner, in previous games. Lylat Wars come to mind when Pinman claimed having scanned TheFlax.

Since you're ready to claim your ability (scanner), now I'd like to hear you claim a name. Your counterclaim would have held more weight in my eyes if you gave up your complete role (name and ability), but let's see which name you will come up with.

[pevergreen]

Why kill Reenk on the first night?

I concur beefy. WHHYYYYYYY.

[Greyblades]

Sigh nevermind. sorry.

[pevergreen]

I think I should probably inform you lot that I was

-Dead players can participate, but may NOT vote or reveal previous night actions or sensitive information they knew before their death.

I take that to mean, no reveal after death.

Edit it out G-blades?

[classical_hero]

Bandwagons tend to be irreversible when it comes to one-post wonders such as pevergreen, classical_hero, Skooma Addict and johnhughtom.
It is often a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. I was being accused of being scum since a being a bit too active, or that's how i saw it from Winston, even if it was just first day follies and now you are saying that I am a one post wonder. What if this bandwagon is correct? If it is correct then fos:Glenn since he is attacking a bandwagon based on good evidence so far. If we are correct, you look extremely suspicious.

[Choxorn]

However, I cautiously note the eagerness in lynching the investigator should he be wrong. The current situation reminds me wayy too much of Star Wars Mafia where in a similar case, Tincow was "exposed" by an investigator who wrongly interpreted his results, and after that, got lynched himself [Rebel Jeb].


Jeb was Night-killed, not lynched.


Aw man dead on the first day? Hrmph, put me down for replacements.

This.

Of course I'm dead by Day 2 in two seperate large mafia games, the other being Earthling's game on CFC.

To whoever killed me: If you are in that game, then I swear to whatever deities exist in this multiverse, I will find you, shoot you with a cannon and feed you to a space monster.

[Secura]

Having seen Beskar discussing this while at his home today (Happy New Year to you all, by the way), I can vouch for how serious he was about this accusation and how strongly he trusted his source.

As previous posters have stated, being an investigator and providing a result backed up by another player doesn't always mean you're town; I remember Psychonaut having a potential recruit scanning ability as the Turkish Spymaster in Shadow Fort, for example. It's entirely possibly that Beskar's source has accurately scanned a similar role in TinCow, who could be able to scan for potential Phazon recruits.

As such, vote: TinCow


I concur beefy. WHHYYYYYYY.

I said something similar to Beskar; it's rare that Reenk signs up for games these days, it's a shame that he finds a game interesting and commits to it only to die early... reminds me of Sigurd's Star Wars game where Husar was killed on the first night during his first game back in the saddle after a very long hiatus. >.<

[Frozen In Ice]

Ugh out of town and posting on phone. No time to defend myself at length due to nye party. Investigator is lying. Last night I was investigating. As proof, my result was that sasaki is Rundas, GF survivalist. He can confirm this.

Out of town posting fromphone. Yes vote forguy who had no internet acess for most week. Veryw well played chaotiz.

A trend among mafia perhaps?:clown:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm rundas, gf survivalist.

Have you guys learned nothing from past games? Keep the wagon small enough to be reversible pending discussion. We need a better idea of the setup.

3 investigators so far implies that they are fairly nerfed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

fos:frozeninice

[Yaropolk]

Vote: Beskar Beskie - why did the investigator say he randomly trusted you on N1? If I was in his shoes, I would wait until N2 to clear you before revealing.

Other folks: you don't have to vote for Beskie, but listen to what Sasaki said above and keep the band wagon small enough to change it should new info arise.

[PershsNhpios]

There we have it - news from the horses mouth.

This doesn't prove Beskar guilty by any means but I think it certainly disproves the legitimacy of a bandwagon on TinCow, although he should remain in the limelight until he returns to state his defence which I'm sure he will soon enough.

classical_hero, you may not be a one-post wonder, but you must admit that my comment prevented you from becoming one.

I don't know about Motep, but Romanic certainly seems to have his knickers in a knotty.

The idea of having a detective or any pro-town role reveal his full role on the second day can only favour the mafia, unless the detective states otherwise.

Romanic just isn't making sense, his suggestions are just villainous.

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9 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Romanic, DeathisYonder, Secura)

2 Insanious (YLC, woad&fangs)

2 Glenn (Frozen In Ice, pevergreen)

1 Motep (Sasaki)

1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)

1 Beskar (Yaropolk)

1 Abstaining (Nightbringer)

[Motep]

fos:Beskar - Given the worst case scenario, that is he is scum and we follow him, we lose three days. Day one for tincow. Day two for whoever "revealed" tincow. And day three for beskar. Three days of relative safety for the rest of his crew to run amok in the night and kill us all. But this is the worst case scenario, mind.
fos:Tincow - best case scenario. Another thing to bear in mind.
fos:Glenn - herding us away from tincow and towards me and romanic. Could be scum herd? And the "detective" is working through a second party, so he is not actually in direct danger if he exists.

I advise caution, but note that good bandwagons would be just as reversible as bad ones, and easier for a concentrated effort by a synchronized party.

also:
fos:seon - he posted a picture of a small blue-eyed thing....is this normal for him?

[Seon]

fos:seon - he posted a picture of a small blue-eyed thing....is this normal for him?

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/002/b/b/Manly_Tom_Nook__lineart_by_kingboo7.jpg

[Motep]

stuff

I will take this as a probably...

[pevergreen]

Oh my.

I think Glenn is defending TC a bit much. Leaving me vote on him until TC turns up.

edit: Hes posting (as) Tom Nook, from Animal Crossing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nook
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/63/Tom-nook.jpg/200px-Tom-nook.jpg

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote:Seon

Nothing to say, but in a good mood about the way the day is playing out. Let's lynch this guy.

[Romanic]

The idea of having a detective or any pro-town role reveal his full role on the second day can only favour the mafia, unless the detective states otherwise.

Romanic just isn't making sense, his suggestions are just villainous.


Giving his name would validate his claim by giving us more information to analyze it. At this point he needs all the help he can get, if he really is a Town scanner. I don't see what's vilainous in my idea since as it is, TinCow is going to be lynched and we will now his name.

Also, if TinCow is not mafia, then the mafia know he's probably telling the truth about being a Town scanner, and theywill likely try to kill him asap, so I really do not see how the mafia will profit more from knowing his name. Please explain to me how the mafia would profit from this new information? I just don't see it.

I'm not sure if I should expect an answer here. You keep avoiding me. :laugh4:

And if I am so vilainous, why don't you stick your vote on me instead of.... er.... Rebel Jeb because, quoting yourself, he's "one of the least helpful players". That certainly does not look as scummy as how you describe me.

Put your money where your mouth is. For all I know you're a scum trying to raise suspicions on other players without actually committing yourself.

unvote; vote: Glenn

While reducing the bandwagon on TinCow to keep it manageable. I'm just a multitasker, I surprise myself.

[Motep]

edit: Hes posting (as) Tom Nook, from Animal Crossing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nook
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/63/Tom-nook.jpg/200px-Tom-nook.jpg

Oh....ok.

finger of forgiveness: seon

[Double A]

I am very tired, and have not diligently read past post #343. I just have a few points to make that I will likely forget if I don't say them now.


I do not like this post - you sound like a tryhard, a despairing one at that. I especially do not like being told what I think, nor do I find it pleasent you'd subtle accuse the town of incompetence, and then try to formulate it into an innocent question. No townie would do this, not Day 1, 2, 10, or 20.

Vote: Insanious

Thanks for the lead though, power role or scum that you are.

I have done this as a townie before (and got lynched). I'm not defending him, this is just for the record.


Vote: Glenn Your last post doesn't sit right with me. Not the part that classical_hero qouted above, that was actually very helpful, but the rest of it. You seem to be trying very hard to appear as a helpful townie, and that "possible Motep-Romanic" link is part of it. It seems like a very fragile connection to base suspicions off of and to me it comes off as trying really hard to appear townie. Not to mention you said you already trusted Double A on day 1, that also seemed off.

That does seem off, why would someone trust anyone on day one?

Unless... of course! We're scum buddies! It all makes sense now.


Finally, I must say, while I disapprove of bandwagons, it's day two, and I don't really see any other options turning up. For now, though, I shall vote: abstain, just in case I can't get on for whatever reason. Good night, and happy new year.

[Beskar]

This doesn't prove Beskar guilty by any means but I think it certainly disproves the legitimacy of a bandwagon on TinCow, although he should remain in the limelight until he returns to state his defence which I'm sure he will soon enough.

No, it doesn't disapprove of any legitimacy. Don't have to be sore because whoever gave me this information, spoke to me, opposed to yourself (who is definitely shown to be 'trustworthy'). At the current rate, my actions have so far proven that I am in fact one of the best people to have revealed to.


fos:Beskar - Given the worst case scenario, that is he is scum and we follow him, we lose three days. Day one for tincow. Day two for whoever "revealed" tincow. And day three for beskar. Three days of relative safety for the rest of his crew to run amok in the night and kill us all. But this is the worst case scenario, mind.

Should be rephrased as "dumbest case scenario". If I was a mafia or wanted to assist any 'mafia partners', I wouldn't walk into the limelight of a game on day two.

[Motep]

No, it doesn't disapprove of any legitimacy.



Should be rephrased as "dumbest case scenario". If I was a mafia or wanted to assist any 'mafia partners', I wouldn't walk into the limelight of a game on day two.


So dumb it might work?

(although I do agree, it seems pretty stupid, unless there are plans to move quite quickly.)

[Beskar]

So dumb it might work?
(although I do agree, it seems pretty stupid, unless there are plans to move quite quickly.)

It wouldn't work, if I was a mafia, my death would be a big early game blow to the team. On the otherhand, this is exactly why the information from the investigator should be tested by fire. No point running around like headless chickens when you can deliver a severe and game-changing blow against the mafia.

The information given to me which I also posted in this topic, looks entirely legitimate. This is why I agreed to this in the first place. Revealing TinCow might mean my own death at the mafia tonight, but hey, 1 mafia down. :beam:

[Motep]

Unless you are minor role being fed by mafia spy and tincow is important for other people....

maybe I am just being paranoid..

[PershsNhpios]

Romanic, darling, I haven't voted for you because I haven't found you to be suspicious enough.

If you can get a player to talk, you can have them revealing all sorts of clues about themselves. You're a competent mafia player if you are a villain, but at this time I don't think you are, and I think Motep is even less suspicious. But both of you have very flawed reasoning. If TinCow is a detective, the surest way to kill him besides lynching him is to put him as much in the public eye as possible - which is what you're trying to do. Don't please.

Sasaki, why did you vote for Seon? That was surely the least satisfying post you have made today.

Double A, rest assured that I never trusted you - I said that you were not worthy of being lynched and that was because you seemed least suspicious to me at the time. Trust was never mentioned.

[Motep]

Romanic, darling, I haven't voted for you because I haven't found you to be suspicious enough.

If you can get a player to talk, you can have them revealing all sorts of clues about themselves. You're a competent mafia player if you are a villain, but at this time I don't think you are, and I think Motep is even less suspicious. But both of you have very flawed reasoning. If TinCow is a detective, the surest way to kill him besides lynching him is to put him as much in the public eye as possible - which is what you're trying to do. Don't please.

Sasaki, why did you vote for Seon? That was surely the least satisfying post you have made today.

Double A, rest assured that I never trusted you - I said that you were not worthy of being lynched and that was because you seemed least suspicious to me at the time. Trust was never mentioned.


Who ever thought tincow was a detective? Besides, I think it would pretty hard at this point to remove him from people's minds.

[Seon]

[Sasaki, why did you vote for Seon? That was surely the least satisfying post you have made today.


Why was it unsatisfying?

It's the second day, so you might as well lynch a raccoon.

[PershsNhpios]

No use in making it worse, Motep.

Here's a hint, look at TinCow's post - you may find a hidden confession (false or not) as to what his role is.

Seon, it was unsatisfying because I don't see the reason for it besides your annoying pictures. (Remember ATPG in the first CoV game? Jesus that was annoying, and he was the mayor of the town so to speak!)

[Motep]

forgetting is bad....

edit: as in, forgetting that stuff he said

[thefluffyone93]

This entire conversation is too confusing for me to understand right now, so Vote: Abstain
until I do make sense of it all.

Unless someone wants to sum up this entire argument in a few sentences?

Oh, and HAPPEH NEW YEAR!

[Motep]

I said something, romanic supported me, and glen suspected us both. Those two went on tangent against each other, and I ate some chicken and enjoyed the show.

[Romanic]

Romanic, darling, I haven't voted for you because I haven't found you to be suspicious enough.

If you can get a player to talk, you can have them revealing all sorts of clues about themselves. You're a competent mafia player if you are a villain, but at this time I don't think you are, and I think Motep is even less suspicious.

"Romanic darling"???? Don't say that again, you'll put bizarre thoughts in Beskar's head. :laugh4:

I am having difficulties understanding how you evaluate who's suspicious enough to get a vote, and who's not. Your reason to vote for Rebel Jeb was:


And looking at that list this morning, one of the players I am liking least, and certainly one of the least helpful is

Vote: Rebel Jeb


And here's some of the things some wrote about me:


FoS: A possible link between Motep and Romanic.


I like the way Romanic and Motep are reacting, it is jaw-droppingly suspicious.

Romanic and Motep sitting in a tree K-I-L-L-I-N-G, all T-O-W-N-I-Es.

But note that I haven't voted for them yet.


I don't know about Motep, but Romanic certainly seems to have his knickers in a knotty.

The idea of having a detective or any pro-town role reveal his full role on the second day can only favour the mafia, unless the detective states otherwise.

Romanic just isn't making sense, his suggestions are just villainous.

Based on these posts, I should be above Rebel Jeb in your suspect list, unless your are purposely giving false impressions in the game thread.

Contradictions and spreading unfounded suspicions does not look townish to me.



[...]
But both of you have very flawed reasoning. If TinCow is a detective, the surest way to kill him besides lynching him is to put him as much in the public eye as possible - which is what you're trying to do. Don't please.

I don't know if we're reading the same stuff here, but TinCow is already under a big spotlight and it can hardly get bigger. He claimed investigate powers, and has 10 votes on him: I don't see how he would avoid being attacked by the mafia in the next days, if he not lynched today. Revealing more about his role, or not, won't change this fact (but it might stop his lynch and maybe put us on the right track).

[Romanic]

I said something, romanic supported me, and glen suspected us both. Those two went on tangent against each other, and I ate some chicken and enjoyed the show.

"romanic supported me".

Now that's a good one! I pointed out that your idea, of voting for people who wanted a tie, wasn't a good suggestion and Glenn pointed out a possible link between us.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but I ain't supporting you in any way.

[thefluffyone93]

Ah, thank you.....I think.
Is there still an insane amount of votes for Tincow?
Last I saw, it was around 9 votes.

[Motep]

"romanic supported me".

Now that's a good one! I pointed out that your idea, of voting for people who wanted a tie, wasn't a good suggestion and Glenn pointed out a possible link between us.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but I ain't supporting you in any way.

wow, I really must be tired...this page has been unkind

Hopefully tomorrow later today I make more sense. In hindsight, I recall you trashing it.

[pevergreen]

Unless someone wants to sum up this entire argument in a few sentences?

Note: No one is confirmed anything besides the dead at this point

Beskar claims an unknown investigator got a result on TinCow that we should lynch him for. Beskar then got a second note from the investigator with more info, saying TC was definately mafia. Beskar did wiki research. TC is on his phone, not at home (New years, who isnt) but says he is an investigator, gave the name of Sasaki, Sasaki confirmed that he is correct.

That sums it up, I think?

[PershsNhpios]

That sums it up - but remember that Sasaki's confirmation doesn't acquit TC completely, and we are all still waiting to hear from the big bovine himself.

Get on out here!

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Romanic, I've fairly lost interest in you now - so I'll give my reasons; Motep made a suggestion which I didn't agree with, that being to suspect and look at lynching those who favoured a tie yesterday (I know one such was myself), but I ignored this until you came along.

It must be just your posting style, but what it looked like to me initially was a couple of scum buddies who were playing for want of a better term, "Good cop, Bad cop" in order to push votes towards those who were wanting a tie yesterday, which amounts to a few players other than myself - and these I all consider to be innocent.

So I started making waves in order to see if one of you would slip up.

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My vote remains on Rebel Jeb because he is displaying the behaviour of lurking scum - look at his posts. Bandwagoning votes, no input, no reasons, no dicussion.

I'm also disliking Sasaki's recent move and I'd like him to explain it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do we have anything besides the "case" on Tincow to work with? I am not enthusiastic about the Tincow lynch, and the reasons are because I neither believe the investigation results are that useful until we know more about them (like my Star Wars game) nor do I appreciate the way the reliance on investigators retards the discussion.

If my instincts about this game are correct, there will be multiple power roles to counterbalance the multiple murdering factions, and the roleblocker is a role which is basically in every game where there's a bunch of power roles.

Tincow can be blocked until we know more, and investigated by several scanners, so we can compare the results. Or we can lynch him with our itchy trigger finger, and we will be right back where we started, possibly minus one mafioso, possibly not. But he's claiming to be an investigator. I think there are ways to confirm that.

Wagon on Tincow is large enough. I want a different option, and until then, I vote: abstain.

I would make such a case myself but not tonight. I am being not lazy but utterly exhausted from work. Sorry, RL comes first.

[Jarema]

after reading whole thread, vote: Glenn

[Double A]

I find myself unable to sleep after being woken up by some idiot who can't tell time. New years was two and 3/4 hours ago, and he just set off some fireworks. So I have finished reading the thread. One thing before I got:


My vote remains on Rebel Jeb because he is displaying the behaviour of lurking scum - look at his posts. Bandwagoning votes, no input, no reasons, no dicussion.

Glenn, I don't think you have played a game with RJ before, but that's pretty much what he does unless he has a power role of some kind. What's more, I have to remind him every day phase to check the friggin' org. You're looking for shadows where there are none.

But this brings up something: why does he even bother to sign up if he's not willing to play? I'm on to you, Jeb :inquisitive:

vote: Glenn. You have been trying to split the town's focus. Your posts, at first glance, seem informative, but upon further reading, they seem to me like a narration or recap of the game. I wouldn't be so suspicious of this if ATPG hadn't done somewhat the exact same behavior in my very first mafia game. When he was mafia.

[pevergreen]

I agree, Glenn is trying too hard to appear as a townie. Classic stuff that hasn't really been used for a while, since current players have managed to go past it...but Glenn is back from a decently long break, perhaps the behaviour is still there?

[PershsNhpios]

Thank you pevergreen for not only speaking negatively.

I have applied for play in apparently 11 mafia games, but I would only really class this as my fourth after Capo II, Treehouse of Horror and the first CoV.

In Capo II I was a strong pro-town role, but didn't know how to keep my mouth shut, in CoV I was a basic townie.

In Treehouse of Horror I was the godfather.

I would like to be able to say, look at those three games, see how I behaved as a townie and as mafia, but since I already am quite aware of my behaviour, that would only lead to "WIFOM".

The best evidence against me so far seems to be that I am trying too hard to help the town, which is really what I expect to be killed rather than lynched for, and secondly that I am trying to distract the town.

Yes! I am trying to distract the town! I'm trying to distract you from lynching a possible detective solely upon Beskar's word and I'm trying to get people talking - which I have achieved.

[Beefy187]

Vote:Beefy

This is part of my ultimate plan to serve the town.

[Double A]

Thank you pevergreen for not only speaking negatively.

I have applied for play in apparently 11 mafia games, but I would only really class this as my fourth after Capo II, Treehouse of Horror and the first CoV.

In Capo II I was a strong pro-town role, but didn't know how to keep my mouth shut, in CoV I was a basic townie.

In Treehouse of Horror I was the godfather.

I would like to be able to say, look at those three games, see how I behaved as a townie and as mafia, but since I already am quite aware of my behaviour, that would only lead to "WIFOM".

The best evidence against me so far seems to be that I am trying too hard to help the town, which is really what I expect to be killed rather than lynched for, and secondly that I am trying to distract the town.

Yes! I am trying to distract the town! I'm trying to distract you from lynching a possible detective solely upon Beskar's word and I'm trying to get people talking - which I have achieved.

That's your problem. Don't distract the town from lynching someone. Tell them not to. In big letters.

Always works.

[pevergreen]

That's your problem. Don't distract the town from lynching someone. Tell them not to. In big letters.

Always works.

LYNCH DOUBLE A

And now we play the waiting game.

[Double A]

The -OUBLE in my name isn't capitalized, Hypocrite McMeaniepants.

[DELETE_THIS]

So many posts so many accusations. For now I'll just say Happy New Year!

[Renata]

So this was pretty much the most useless first day of a mafia game ever... no one talked about anything, and now day 2 is just like day 1 but we are down 6 people now... we going to start the almost obligatory "talk about lynching inactives, which then gives people something to analyze to actually start the thread off?" Or are we just going to continue to use random.org to find which targets we should lynch? Just wondering.

This was a bog-standard day one. If anything (barring two townies being dead instead of the more typical one), it was better than usual. There's a heck of a vote trail in the case that classical hero, ATPG, or anyone else ever in danger turns up mafia.

Where have you played mafia before?

[God Emperor]

Vote: Motep , you are a bit too active with none-contributing posts

Personally I think this lynch on Tincow has a bit too many flaws.. or perhaps I just cannot see the big picture? At any rate we have some Informants that Beskar is ready to give away if Tincow is not scum(?). . So far there has been a single night phase, and that is not a lot time for the scanner to find out how his scans exactly works. So if the results are wrong and Tincow does not have H1N1, then potential useful scanners would be outed simply because they had relied on information they could only misinterperet. . Imo, give the scanners more time, so that they have other scanning results to compare with. it's obvious, that if the scanners are telling the truth, then we have different scans in the game, so ofc the scan results are not completely accurate.

As for the part that Beskar wouldn't be mafia because he is being the scanners spokesperson is imo nonesense.. the story he tells us is that he was contacted so that he could serve this role.. Town or not, he only has one way to go from there and that is to play along.

OOC note: Welcome Back Romanicninccinc :D

[Renata]

Unvote; Vote: Insanious

One silly move too many Insanious; just what are you playing at?

I'm not convinced at all Beskar, you're just "being honest", I know - but this is inclined to have me doubting you.

Good god, why? What would he have to gain? Whatever else, Beskar himself is probably telling the truth about this.

[Secura]

Classic stuff that hasn't really been used for a while, since current players have managed to go past it...

YLC used what I like to call "the consumate townie" routine to amazing effect in Pizza's Murder Manor 3 game, way back in May/June; he'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those pesky kids (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127977-Murder-Manor-III-Game-thread&p=2505460&viewfull=1#post2505460).

Posting in such a fashion as Glenn has is inherently scummy, but doesn't necessarily suggest that he's mafia; it does, however, provide the mafia with an effective smokescreen to hide behind.

[Rebel Jeb]

And looking at that list this morning, one of the players I am liking least, and certainly one of the least helpful is

Vote: Rebel Jeb


But...I'm just a little rebel jeb...

OMGUS

Vote: Glenn

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Abstain

I have learnt that investigator claiming this early can mean various things. This could be a very ballsy bussing technique but he could be right and I think Tincow should go but the amount of votes on him are enough and in case he comes up with some great defence I do not want him lynched on my vote. Plus a chorus of people voting tincow is hardly helpfull

[Death is yonder]

Since there is around 32 hours left on the clock (due to extended phase), I will agree with the sentiment that Tincow should be at least heard from first when he is back.

Unvote:Tincow
Vote:Abstain

Allowing for the event of lynch reversibility (since its also possible that Tincow is a townie investigator). If not, my vote hops back on Tincow should the defense prove to be unsatisfactory persuasive.

After all, Tincow's correct results on Sasaki proves that he is indeed an investigator, though his alignment remains questionable.

[pevergreen]

You've done an amazing thing ATPG, presuming that most/all of these players read your commentary, the words seem to have really gotten through. "big bandwagons bad"

[Diamondeye]

Oh my.

I think Glenn is defending TC a bit much. Leaving me vote on him until TC turns up.

Hmm. I agree with this. Keeping my vote on TC - if he's scum, Glenn might be as well. The possibility of hitting two scum this early is worth it, I think.
fos: Glenn


No use in making it worse, Motep.

Here's a hint, look at TinCow's post - you may find a hidden confession (false or not) as to what his role is.

With the force of the accusation against him, wouldn't it be preferable if there was at least enough pressure left on TC when he came back that he actually has to care about it?
I'd feel better about lynching a townie in TinCow than letting a mafia live and telling them "it's okay, you can kill Beskar" - who might still be the investigator himself.


OOC note: Welcome Back Romanicninccinc :D

Yup, welcome back mate :bow:


You've done an amazing thing ATPG, presuming that most/all of these players read your commentary, the words seem to have really gotten through. "big bandwagons bad"

I noticed this on day 1 as well - impressive influence that has had :yes:

[pevergreen]

I doubt Beskar is. I think if he was, he'd say he was. Plus the two wave of info thing seems odd if he had it all to start with.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why oh why do I turn on my laptop and check the org when I'm having trouble sleeping? Seriously, I want to be unconscious right now. I have worked extra hours on top of my scheduled hours every single day this week, to the tune of adding 4 hours to 9 hour shifts.

What in the blue heck am I torturing myself for?


You've done an amazing thing ATPG, presuming that most/all of these players read your commentary, the words seem to have really gotten through. "big bandwagons bad"

Well, it is true.

If the player in question has 5+ more votes than the next leading candidate, then any effort to remove them from the lead will be rather obvious. Put some pressure on other candidates.

Then, before the round ends, decide as a group who should die, of those candidates. If there's no reason not to lynch the lead candidate, put him over the top and confirm him dead. If there is a reason to lynch someone else, switch a few votes and put them into the red zone.

Adding 10 votes to a dude who is already in the lead, in the beginning of a day phase, ties the hands of the town and forces them to pick the next leading candidate, and massive counter-wagon that player simply because it's the only convenient way to spare the leader. It's shooting oneself in the foot, to all those who did not read the SW:FOTO commentary.

No pressure on the mafia is bad. At least make them sweat and think "another 2 votes and I'm in the lead.... what should I do?"

[Askthepizzaguy]

After all, Tincow's correct results on Sasaki proves that he is indeed an investigator, though his alignment remains questionable.

This is a tough argument to make, considering the number of dead per round, but if Tincow is a pro-town investigator, the mafia will want to murder him at some point. If Tincow is a mafia investigator, we could confirm it by tomorrow, seeing as there are a few investigators to work with.

Bottom line: If he's guilty, he will get a whole extra round to live, very early in the game. If he's innocent, we are sparing ourselves a bad lynch. One is a tiny bit bad, the other is very good. I would gamble on it, the risk of failure is low.

That said, I have to go over the thread and see if there is anyone besides Tincow worth lynching. Can I get an updated tally to work from?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We have two mafia teams, correct? It seems that way.

Tincow is either a town investigator or a mafia investigator. Either way he will be posing as a town investigator. Leave him alive and ask for his results, he will try his best to catch one of the opposing mafia to get himself credit and lynch competitor.

We should lynch seon instead (at least make it a viable wagon please). Scum are bouncing with glee when there is a detective result on someone other than them. Now read seon's posts today.

[pevergreen]

Seriously, I want to be unconscious right now. I have worked extra hours on top of my scheduled hours every single day this week, to the tune of adding 4 hours to 9 hour shifts.

But I bet you sleep better knowing money will come.

Updated tally, only because its you. ~:pat:

7 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Secura)

6 Glenn (Romanic, Frozen In Ice, pevergreen, Jarema, Double A, Rebel Jeb)

2 Insanious (YLC, woad&fangs)

1 Seon (Sasaki)

1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)

1 Beskar (Yaropolk)

1 Beefy (Beefy)

1 Motep (God Emperor)

4 Abstaining (DeathisYonder, Nightbringer, ATPGuy, Capt. Blackadder)

edit:

Sasaki, I'm not as good as you. Mind pointing out what I should be looking for? Your gut is usually right.

I'd be ok with a Seon lynch, but I'd prefer a Glenn lynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To get rid of my abstain vote, and to tell Beefy how much I love him but I think he should do something besides vote for himself as it is unhelpful, I will unvote, vote: Beefy

I'd recommend a few more votes on him, just to give ourselves a "random other" candidate to lynch if we wish.

Insanious is new (to the org) and I'd like to give him more time to play before he dies; I would prefer Beskar alive for now as he is our contact with this mysterious investigator type dude. Seon is meh, he could use some pressure as well. Motep I haven't seen in a while, I'd like him alive a little longer just so he can get some game time.

(note, "some game time" expires after day two.... :evilgrin:)

Rebel Jeb is talking and being more productive than the alternatives, so for now I'd rather vote for someone who is keeping his head down. Beefy's strategy is neither helpful to the town nor any different from what he usually does. Which is interesting because when you're mafia you tend to try to act as normal for you as possible. There are plenty of candidates to vote for and plenty of leads. This is not the time for self-voting.

Sorry pevers. I know you lost Reenk, and you don't want to see Beefy go either, but in my honest assessment, he's the candidate I like the most for the lynch presently.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I dislike the glenn wagon, I feel like he ruffled some feathers mostly.

Post tincow result revealed:


We have Cloud Strife on our freaking ship?....

Can this be any crazier?



also:
fos:seon - he posted a picture of a small blue-eyed thing....is this normal for him?

Today 00:18


http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/002/b/b/Manly_Tom_Nook__lineart_by_kingboo7.jpg

Today 00:23


He's read the thread and knows about the tincow result, and is still reading closely enough to reply within 5 minutes, but is keeping his distance and apparently enjoying how the events are unfolding.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

To get rid of my abstain vote,

Excellent!


I will unvote, vote: Beefy

:stare: :stare:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would note that this is entirely normal behavior for Seon. He's not easy to analyze because his behavior is quite random and does not conform to expected townie behavior.

He's not in ACIN territory, but he's halfway there.

I could go either way on Seon, but the reason to vote him isn't there.


:stare: :stare:

I know, I know. I'm only going with what I think is the best candidate, regardless of my feelings about Beefy.

He's.... quite special to me. :heart:

[pevergreen]

Sorry pevers. I know you lost Reenk, and you don't want to see Beefy go either, but in my honest assessment, he's the candidate I like the most for the lynch presently.

Eh, when I want a Beefy fix, I've got facebook or MSN. Plus he plays a lot.

With Reenk, I've only got PMs.

And our telepathic link of course.

Sasaki: I've no idea why hes posting about Tom Nook, but I had the feeling that its his role and its a toned down version of the joker from last game.

[Diamondeye]

I would note that this is entirely normal behavior for Seon. He's not easy to analyze because his behavior is quite random and does not conform to expected townie behavior.

Translation: You are dealing with a bat:daisy: crazy Korean whose usual response to accusations falls more or less between "pictures of beeswarms attacking babies" and "Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Fhtagn!".

Anyone remember The Aparoid Queen? :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good lord that picture is an ugly stain on this thread, and brings back horrible memories of previous Council of Villains thread catastrophes.

Please throw a spoiler around that or something. It's like a gigantic pimple on Venus' forehead.



Edit:

Oh wait, that's my avatar. Sorry, false alarm everyone.

[pevergreen]

I know, I know. I'm only going with what I think is the best candidate, regardless of my feelings about Beefy.

He's.... quite special to me. :heart:

There aint enough Beefy for the both of us buddy.

Then again, if were going to fight for beefy, despite my RL friendship with him, out of the two of us ATPG, I think The Flax would still win.

:laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I feel like voting for TheFlax right now.

He might not be playing this game, but my pizza senses are tingling. He's guilty of something, I'm almost sure of it.

Flax, if you're lurking in this thread, I'm warning you; those are very unclean thoughts you're having, and I find them distracting.

Pizza approves. Keep it up. :thumbsup:

[pevergreen]

:laugh4:

Well, its closing in on 4am, so I'm going to bed.

I can't be sure of my activity levels in the next week. I have to learn and complete 8 weeks of work by friday, since I wasted the last 5 weeks doing nothing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Beskar Beskie - why did the investigator say he randomly trusted you on N1? If I was in his shoes, I would wait until N2 to clear you before revealing.

Other folks: you don't have to vote for Beskie, but listen to what Sasaki said above and keep the band wagon small enough to change it should new info arise.

This is odd.

Random trusting Beskar N1 aside, you're still jumping the gun a bit to vote for Beskar.

Even if everything Beskar said were dead wrong somehow, it's unlikely to be a mafia move what he's doing. There is no reason to vote for Beskar here that I can tell.

Perhaps an explanation would be in order?

[Diamondeye]

I was just reading up on the links Beskar posted, and I stopped dead when I heard this name, since I think I've heard it before somewhere in this game:

Scans of dead troopers on the G.F.S. Valhalla also seem to indicate that Phazon found impaling troopers is absorbing the corpses and turning them into Phazon. Also, dead Reptilicus Hunters frozen by the corrupted Bounty Hunter Rundas's ice powers can be scanned to reveal that the small particles of Phazon are transforming the dead bodies into Phazon as well, indicating that Phazon will seek to absorb lifeforms if they die instead of being mutated, while being mutated or even after being mutated, since Dark Samus was also seen to absorb the dead corrupted Bounty Hunters just like she had been observed to absorb common Phazon.

Is this who Sasaki is claiming?

[Askthepizzaguy]

So many posts so many accusations. For now I'll just say Happy New Year!

You're doing exactly what soup was doing in the Zack Star Wars game. Off-topic, under the radar posts, and you're not voting.

If you were a pro-town role you'd be trying harder to blend in and act natural. This looks almost exclusively like it is ducking suspicion, and although you're not known to be a talkative player to begin with, for YOU this is still below your usual standards.

If you are town, I know we won't miss you at all with contributions like this.

unvote, vote: Nictel

[Insanious]

I was just reading up on the links Beskar posted, and I stopped dead when I heard this name, since I think I've heard it before somewhere in this game:


Is this who Sasaki is claiming?
This is what I assumed at first UNTIL! I read the night post, and it doesn't seem like this holds water. For the reason that kid Iccarus (Pit) KNEW his killer. This to me screams that the killer is from the IDFH side of the universe (I assume its SSBB). Since Pit would not recognize his attacker if he was from the Metroid Universe, I do not think that Rundas was Pit's killer.

This is only assuming that I can read that much into the write up...

[thefluffyone93]

Hey now, I always post like that ATPG.
Although last time, I had a good reason to.
Fun times, fun times.

Anyways, I abstained from voting, so fix that tally!

.....You sure there is no joker role?

[Secura]

Is this who Sasaki is claiming?

I think Rundas featured in one of the Metroid Prime games (3?) and was one of a host of bounty hunters (that includes Samus), but he was eventually corrupted by Phazon and ends up being a boss fight.

Considering the focus for the game is the Metroid series, with other characters supporting, it's more than likely that the bounty hunters all feature and probably in their uncorrupted forms too; however, I'd guess that they're potential recruits for Dark Samus, given the Prime series and their lore.

[Diamondeye]

I think Rundas featured in one of the Metroid Prime games (3?) and was one of a host of bounty hunters (that includes Samus), but he was eventually corrupted by Phazon and ends up being a boss fight.

Considering the focus for the game is the Metroid series, with other characters supporting, it's more than likely that the bounty hunters all feature and probably in their uncorrupted forms too; however, I'd guess that they're potential recruits for Dark Samus, given the Prime series and their lore.

I don't know a lot about any of these universes, so it just caught my attention. Then again I guess that naming one of your compatriots (if Beskar is right) would be beyond stupid, so I don't know exactly what it's worth. Just wanted to draw attention to it.

Also, it might useful to try and identify the killers in the writeup... I noticed that Dark Samus is, in her entry, described as a "Dark Hunter", which also is the appearance of one of the attackers. Can anyone make anything of the rest?

[woad&fangs]

unvote: insanious; vote: Glenn The case on TinCow seems week and Glenn seems to be trying too hard. I can't remember if that is normal for him or not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd prefer someone who is trying over someone who is not, personally.

It's been a while. Glenn's probably just enthusiastic. Remember how the town focused on Ignoramus for showing enthusiasm in Fall of the Order? It's a bad case. Maybe he's mafia, maybe he's not, but you can't really tell based on enthusiasm or effort. If Glenn were mafia, his mates would have told him to tone it down by now.

How about some votes on Nictel? Hmmm?

Anyone?

:cry:

[ULC]

This is what new years does to me - makes me come in late when anything I'd comment on would make no sense and has been buried.

Also, not interested in repeating the "lets ACTUALLY use roleblockers intelligently!!!" scheme which got me lynched last game because attempts at organization are "scummy".

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is what new years does to me - makes me come in late when anything I'd comment on would make no sense and has been buried.

Also, not interested in repeating the "lets ACTUALLY use roleblockers intelligently!!!" scheme which got me lynched last game because attempts at organization are "scummy".

This game, we're learning from mistakes in the previous game. Or at least some of us are. Don't be so pessimistic.

[Winston Hughes]

How about some votes on Nictel? Hmmm?

Anyone?

:cry:

Don't cry, pizzaguy.

vote: Nictel

[Beskar]

Ok, I am back, going to read through the thread. Though I saw some one say "Case on TinCow is weak" when it is pretty much classified as 'very strong' in terms of the average scum accusation. :inquisitive:

Edit:
Just finished catching up, as usual, players like Renata, Pizza, etc, can easily read that my actions are not mafia motivated and because I believe this result is correct.

Also, Glenn, you said:
"I don't know why people want me dead for being a townie."

The issue is, you are trying to be anything but a townie, especially in your defense of TinCow. When TinCow gets lynched and is revealed as being mafia, what are you going to say then?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I would note that this is entirely normal behavior for Seon. He's not easy to analyze because his behavior is quite random and does not conform to expected townie behavior.

He's not in ACIN territory, but he's halfway there.

I could go either way on Seon, but the reason to vote him isn't there.

SNTOEHSUGHLSCEUSOEGBJLBDKAOSBJBU

YOU JUST GAVE EXCELLENT REASONS TO LYNCH HIM OVER EITHER OF THE TWO LEADING CANDIDATES

classical hero in star wars, we lynched him for being super scummy. Plays the same in another game, gets the scum win. Don't ignore people. I think even seon would have a genuine comment to add with a detective result if he was town.

Where's the town leadership pizza?

[Askthepizzaguy]

The issue is, you are trying to be anything but a townie, especially in your defense of TinCow. When TinCow gets lynched and is revealed as being mafia, what are you going to say then?

Probably "Whoops, my bad, I was wrong."

I don't read his behavior as being supportive of a mafia partner. That's too reckless. Just like I don't read your behavior as being deceitful here.

Remember, obviously wrong behavior is likely to be townie behavior. People who are in the know and making nearly flawless moves probably know more than we do and are more likely to be mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

SNTOEHSUGHLSCEUSOEGBJLBDKAOSBJBU

YOU JUST GAVE EXCELLENT REASONS TO LYNCH HIM OVER EITHER OF THE TWO LEADING CANDIDATES

classical hero in star wars, we lynched him for being super scummy. Plays the same in another game, gets the scum win. Don't ignore people. I think even seon would have a genuine comment to add with a detective result if he was town.

Where's the town leadership pizza?

I like Nictel better, that's why.

But, given the choice, yeah; Seon over Glenn or Tincow is fine.

A cat is fine too.

Support me on Nictel, maybe I'll support you on Seon later.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nictel could just be busy atm.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Alternatively, we could lynch frozen, although I don't remember why.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nictel could just be busy atm.

I still want to drink his blood and find out if it is scummy. Why must you be so difficult? Everyone else just follows my lead. I command you to do as I say!!!

Pew pew pew pew (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYU_CPKNr1Q&feature=related)

*makes hand motions* It's useless to resist!




Fine, be that way. I'll vote for Seon if that's the alternative to the leaders. You need moar votes though.


I just realized I sound like I am drunk. That's because I am way too tired to be doing this right now.

[Yaropolk]

This is odd.

Random trusting Beskar N1 aside, you're still jumping the gun a bit to vote for Beskar.

Even if everything Beskar said were dead wrong somehow, it's unlikely to be a mafia move what he's doing. There is no reason to vote for Beskar here that I can tell.

Perhaps an explanation would be in order?

Yes, an explanation from Beskar is indeed in order

[landlubber]

Vote: insanious.

[Yaropolk]

unvote: insanious; vote: Glenn The case on TinCow seems week and Glenn seems to be trying too hard. I can't remember if that is normal for him or not.

This post is scummy

[TinCow]

Apologies for my absence. I had to drive 4.5 hours this morning while nursing a serious hangover. Wife couldn't share the driving, she was even worse off.

I'm somewhat surprised to see that I actually have a chance of surviving this round. I don't exactly have a whole lot more to say, there's only been a single night and you already have my only investigation result. My role name is Isaac from some game I've never heard of. I am a "Hero" which I thought was just a normal townie role, but since everyone who's dead is showing up as a Survivalist of some kind, I think I'm a minority town role. My victory condition is to destroy all anti-town forces. What exactly is a Survivalist anyway? Do all of you guys have to survive until the end of the game to win?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I agree.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tincow- If you survive and you're not mafia, I'd say lesson was learned from FOTO.

Something is definitely not right here; either Beskar's investigator is full of it, or Tincow cannot be trusted at all.

I think we have the resources to find out which, without lynching Tincow, but that's a lot of investment. You must decide if you want to invest those resources. In the meantime, my vote is on Nictel for reasons stated, and you must decide. I will not be back before the round is over and I won't be able to change my vote, so I think it best if I keep my vote away from the current leaders. You have enough votes to lynch or not lynch Tincow, so the options are available.

Adios and good luck.

[ULC]

Can we have a quick tally? I'm going to hop on the bandwagon of "Roleblock TC", can't do it by joining the abstain bandwagon.

I know where Isaac is from TC, so he is kind of good cover for Cloud Strife. However, Isaac doesn't make sense as an investigator, so...

[robbiecon]

Lynch Glenn, I'm getting bad vibes off him. He seemed quite useful yesterday, with all his Tally's and commenting, but he's playing similar to myself when I'm mafia, a bit more relaxed to help out, especially when you can offer known townies up for a lynch.

[Frozen In Ice]

Are we talking Issac from Golden Sun?

Tally:

7 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Secura)
7 Glenn (Romanic, Frozen In Ice, pevergreen, Jarema, Double A, Rebel Jeb, woad&fangs)
2 Nictel (ATPG, Winston)
2 Insanious (YLC, Landlubber)
1 Seon (Sasaki)
1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)
1 Beskar (Yaropolk)
1 Beefy (Beefy)
1 Motep (God Emperor)
3 Abstaining (DeathisYonder, Nightbringer, Capt. Blackadder)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote,vote:nictel

[Romanic]

8 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Diamondeye, Secura)
7 Glenn (Romanic, Frozen In Ice, pevergreen, Jarema, Double A, Rebel Jeb, woad&fangs)
3 Nictel (ATPG, Winston, Sasaki)
2 Insanious (YLC, Landlubber)
1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)
1 Beskar (Yaropolk)
1 Beefy (Beefy)
1 Motep (God Emperor)
4 Abstaining (DeathisYonder, Nightbringer, Thefluffyone93, Capt. Blackadder)

Updated and fixed. The last tallies were missing DE's vote on TinCow (#365) and Thefluffyone's abstain (#396).

[Romanic]

OOC note: Welcome Back Romanicninccinc :D

Looks like someone drank too much on New Years Eve? :laugh4:

[ULC]

Unvote:, Vote: Glenn

[Ironside]

Vote: Tincow

I can see one point for the mafia to stick their neck out like this, but that would require that Tincow have some "unkillable by night" -role and they know it. Highly improbable, in particular with Tincow's role claim.

Roleblocking and more scans have the problem that we don't know the strength of roleblocking (Or even if it's in the game, but that's probable). FOTO had sith able to convert and melee attack while roleblocked, so only role-restricted in that case.
For extra scanning, how are we supposed to get the data out to town atm? Beskar is a default ally or a semi-random choise (aka might still be mafia, even if it's unlikely). How many turns would it take to establish a network to get the info out in public?

If anybody has good plans for this, lets hear them.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

investigators so far:

beskars freind
greyblades
tincow

greyblades flipped as "survivalist" too. So it seems to me that investigating in a low grade power. Which means it is nerfed. Which means we shouldn't go LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH with a result. It may be useful later.

c'mon, just a few votes on the nictel wagon. It would be 8-7-5 if you had both voted him.

[ULC]

Vote: Tincow

I can see one point for the mafia to stick their neck out like this, but that would require that Tincow have some "unkillable by night" -role and they know it. Highly improbable, in particular with Tincow's role claim.

Roleblocking and more scans have the problem that we don't know the strength of roleblocking (Or even if it's in the game, but that's probable). FOTO had sith able to convert and melee attack while roleblocked, so only role-restricted in that case.
For extra scanning, how are we supposed to get the data out to town atm? Beskar is a default ally or a semi-random choise (aka might still be mafia, even if it's unlikely). How many turns would it take to establish a network to get the info out in public?

If anybody has good plans for this, lets hear them.

I'd vote you for this, except I don't want TC to die.

[Romanic]

Lynch Glenn, I'm getting bad vibes off him. He seemed quite useful yesterday, with all his Tally's and commenting, but he's playing similar to myself when I'm mafia, a bit more relaxed to help out, especially when you can offer known townies up for a lynch.

Why are you promoting a lynch when you're not even voting yourself?

[TinCow]

greyblades flipped as "survivalist" too. So it seems to me that investigating in a low grade power. Which means it is nerfed. Which means we shouldn't go LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH with a result. It may be useful later.

My power is called Scan Visor. Description is: Investigate a target’s identity and alignment at night. Icon is the same one that is shown in Greyblades' death. We likely have (had) the same ability. Looks to me like a low-level investigation ability similar to those I gave townies in Rubicon: their purpose was to encourage inter-faction fighting by allowing the factions to ID each other. In Rubicon, those level investigations did not reveal mafia.


c'mon, just a few votes on the nictel wagon. It would be 8-7-5 if you had both voted him.

Vote: Nictel

[Secura]

Why are you promoting a lynch when you're not even voting yourself?


Dead:
robbiecon - Trace (GF Survivalist)

Do keep up, Romanic!

[Romanic]

Do keep up, Romanic!

Duh, Robbie is dead. Oops. :embarassed:

[ULC]

Vote: Nictel

You're power doesn't sound legit to me based on your character and why Nictel?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You're power doesn't sound legit to me based on your character and why Nictel?

why nictel? WHY NICTEL? SOTCDGSUCKADDQ KCIG

[TinCow]

You're power doesn't sound legit to me based on your character and why Nictel?

:shrug: Barring Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64, I haven't played any console games since the NES. I can't alleviate your doubts about the role/power as I know nothing about the universe this game is set in.

I voted Nictel because Sasaki wants him lynched. The whole reason I investigated Sasaki on N1 is the same reason I always investigate him N1 when I have the ability to do so: I trust his gut instinct far more than my own and I have a tendency to follow his lead when I have no specific leads of my own. Knowing his alignment makes that a bit easier for me. Also, to be blunt, I'm not exactly in a strong position to start arguing for a specific person's lynch here.

[ULC]

why nictel? WHY NICTEL? SOTCDGSUCKADDQ KCIG

Nictel to get support for Seon? Then why not just Seon?!


:shrug: Barring Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64, I haven't played any console games since the NES. I can't alleviate your doubts about the role/power as I know nothing about the universe this game is set in.

I voted Nictel because Sasaki wants him lynched. The whole reason I investigated Sasaki on N1 is the same reason I always investigate him N1 when I have the ability to do so: I trust his gut instinct far more than my own and I have a tendency to follow his lead when I have no specific leads of my own. Knowing his alignment makes that a bit easier for me. Also, to be blunt, I'm not exactly in a strong position to start arguing for a specific person's lynch here.

No, that's not the issue. I'd be concerned if you did know what universe this is set in, and whom Isaac is. The power fits the setting, not the character.

Sasaki may want Nictel lynched, but that won't save you unless you have more supporters. It's more productive to simply vote Glenn.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nictel because he's been lurking and he's the only other person near in votes.

Avoiding bad lynches is a good thing.

[Romanic]

My power is called Scan Visor. Description is: Investigate a target’s identity and alignment at night. Icon is the same one that is shown in Greyblades' death. We likely have (had) the same ability. Looks to me like a low-level investigation ability similar to those I gave townies in Rubicon: their purpose was to encourage inter-faction fighting by allowing the factions to ID each other. In Rubicon, those level investigations did not reveal mafia.


What does the bold part mean? I'm looking at Greyblades' death but I can't figure what you are referring to.

[TinCow]

What does the bold part mean? I'm looking at Greyblades' death but I can't figure what you are referring to.

This thing:
https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Powerups/ScanVisor.gif

The ability has an icon, a name, and a description. I suspect Chaotix took some inspiration from the Star Wars games, which did the same thing. That's the same icon my ability has.

[Beefy187]

Anything for the town :bow:

Unvote, Vote: Nictel

[thefluffyone93]

Unvote; Vote Nictel
Even though the same reasoning behind this can be applied to me,
I actually agree with this.

[ULC]

Unvote, Vote: Nictel

Drum up your support then Sasaki. I don't put it past TC's forging skills to have made this, but it's early enough for a benefit of the doubt.

[Diamondeye]

Unvote, Vote: Nictel
Drum up your support then Sasaki. I don't put it past TC's forging skills to have made this, but it's early enough for a benefit of the doubt.

For TC or for Beskar? I'm keeping my vote on TC. If he's mafia, I'd advocate lynching Sasaki or Glenn tomorrow. I simply don't see the case on Nictel, and Glenn's at least being helpful, even if it does come off as a bit... Too much.

[classical_hero]

maybe I am just being paranoid..
This should be the theme of mafia. "I'm not paranoid, just everyone else thinks I am."

I would make such a case myself but not tonight. I am being not lazy but utterly exhausted from work. Sorry, RL comes first.
It must feel good working again.

I think Rundas featured in one of the Metroid Prime games (3?) and was one of a host of bounty hunters (that includes Samus), but he was eventually corrupted by Phazon and ends up being a boss fight.

Considering the focus for the game is the Metroid series, with other characters supporting, it's more than likely that the bounty hunters all feature and probably in their uncorrupted forms too; however, I'd guess that they're potential recruits for Dark Samus, given the Prime series and their lore.
Thanks for that info, since I have no idea about most of the games and series this is based, so that info helps.

SNTOEHSUGHLSCEUSOEGBJLBDKAOSBJBU

YOU JUST GAVE EXCELLENT REASONS TO LYNCH HIM OVER EITHER OF THE TWO LEADING CANDIDATES

classical hero in star wars, we lynched him for being super scummy. Plays the same in another game, gets the scum win. Don't ignore people. I think even seon would have a genuine comment to add with a detective result if he was town.

Where's the town leadership pizza?
Don't forget we were a team on that one.

[pevergreen]

Unvote, Vote: Nictel

[ULC]

For TC or for Beskar? I'm keeping my vote on TC. If he's mafia, I'd advocate lynching Sasaki or Glenn tomorrow. I simply don't see the case on Nictel, and Glenn's at least being helpful, even if it does come off as a bit... Too much.

It's Day 2 DE. If we want anytime to doubt, to organize and plan then we should start now, not 5 days later.

[Diamondeye]

It's Day 2 DE. If we want anytime to doubt, to organize and plan then we should start now, not 5 days later.

That is true but not a rebuttal of the reasons to vote TC. What Beskar's doing makes no sense as a mafia gambit exactly because it has time to come back and bite him.
Have you got an easier way of testing this Beskar's investigator than lynching TinCow? As far as I've understood (I don't know a lot about the universe of this game except for the few links Beskar provided and playing Super Smash Bros), TC's claim doesn't make a lot of sense.

All in all, a pretty solid case for D2.

[Cecil XIX]

Although I find Glenn somewhat suspicious, good points have been raised about the utility of keeping the people talking alive. I also agree that the risk of lynching a pro-town investigator is too great.

vote: Nictel

[ULC]

That is true but not a rebuttal of the reasons to vote TC. What Beskar's doing makes no sense as a mafia gambit exactly because it has time to come back and bite him.
Have you got an easier way of testing this Beskar's investigator than lynching TinCow? As far as I've understood (I don't know a lot about the universe of this game except for the few links Beskar provided and playing Super Smash Bros), TC's claim doesn't make a lot of sense.

All in all, a pretty solid case for D2.

Think about the situation for a second while the vote is swinging toward Nictel. Nictel, of all people is being lynched in favor of TC, because Sasaki finds Seon suspicious (as do I) and wants ATPG's assistance. Beskar has nothing to gain just as much as Sasaki or ATPG making it obvious they are supporting TC, a player being accused of mafia connections.

No one would really be after Nictel right now if Sasaki/ATPG did not want it. So are you suggesting that they have nothing to gain, that a Day 2 attempt to save TC will only hurt them? This isn't WIFOM, this is me asking you if you legitimately believe that Beskar will lose more than Sasaki or ATPG. If not, I don't see why you are arguing.

[TinCow]

Frankly, I think you're going to find a lot of your answers in the gameplay setup itself. Chaotix created this as a divided town modeled on Rubicon. Rubicon's divided town never really took off because I did not provide sufficient incentives for the factions to fight. There were also two pure pro-town roles that ended up being far more powerful than I anticipated. Chaotix knows this and has almost certainly adjusted the mechanics to ensure that some fighting between the factions will occur. I think it is very likely that some townie factionalists have various goals and/or abilities that are designed to cause a bit of chaos. Some of that is likely at work here.

[Diamondeye]

Think about the situation for a second while the vote is swinging toward Nictel. Nictel, of all people is being lynched in favor of TC, because Sasaki finds Seon suspicious (as do I) and wants ATPG's assistance. Beskar has nothing to gain just as much as Sasaki or ATPG making it obvious they are supporting TC, a player being accused of mafia connections.

No one would really be after Nictel right now if Sasaki/ATPG did not want it. So are you suggesting that they have nothing to gain, that a Day 2 attempt to save TC will only hurt them? This isn't WIFOM, this is me asking you if you legitimately believe that Beskar will lose more than Sasaki or ATPG. If not, I don't see why you are arguing.

It might just be because it's 4 AM, but I can't figure out what you're actually asking me here. I'll look at it again tomorrow, but I'd really appreciate it if you elaborated on what you mean.


Frankly, I think you're going to find a lot of your answers in the gameplay setup itself. Chaotix created this as a divided town modeled on Rubicon. Rubicon's divided town never really took off because I did not provide sufficient incentives for the factions to fight. There were also two pure pro-town roles that ended up being far more powerful than I anticipated. Chaotix knows this and has almost certainly adjusted the mechanics to ensure that some fighting between the factions will occur. I think it is very likely that some townie factionalists have various goals and/or abilities that are designed to cause a bit of chaos. Some of that is likely at work here.

I didn't play Rubicon, so this doesn't tell me a whole lot.
I spectated ATPG's Star Fox game... Is that a good example of a "divided town"-thingamabob?

[pevergreen]

I spectated ATPG's Star Fox game... Is that a good example of a "divided town"-thingamabob?

Kind of.

Rubicon had 2 mafia families and 2 towns. The towns could win together, or each could win with one of the mafia factions.

[Secura]

Thanks for that info, since I have no idea about most of the games and series this is based, so that info helps.

We're not too aware of the game's mechanics yet, but I'd be particularly cautious with anyone who claims to have one of these bounty hunter roles, given the lore; it's possible that they can be corrupted with Phazon as they are in the Prime series.

This may be somewhat similar to Pizza's Star Wars or Lylat Wars games, where lynching/vigging specific roles denies the mafia the chance to bolster their ranks; thus we may have to do the same with the bounty hunters in this game.


That is true but not a rebuttal of the reasons to vote TC. What Beskar's doing makes no sense as a mafia gambit exactly because it has time to come back and bite him.
Have you got an easier way of testing this Beskar's investigator than lynching TinCow? As far as I've understood (I don't know a lot about the universe of this game except for the few links Beskar provided and playing Super Smash Bros), TC's claim doesn't make a lot of sense.

All in all, a pretty solid case for D2.

I couldn't have phrased it better myself.

After Beskar told me about the information he'd been sent and we had seen TinCow claim to be a town-aligned investigator (and his result having been confirmed by Sasaki), we theorised that it was plausible he could be a recruitment scanner for his respective mafia faction.

To me, this isn't something that can be proven without testing Beskar's source and following through with the lynch; if TinCow is left alive after this phase and roleblocked, then what? What does that achieve? Roleblocking TinCow won't prove his innocence, nor will it have any impact on the night kills because his role is to scan and nothing more; assuming that Beskar's source is correct, then it's likely he scans recruits for Dark Samus to convert.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

DE. Investigations are nerfed. Waiting gives us info. Wasn't someone just posting about how my character was supposedly in a mafia faction? Imagine we are back in star wars mafia and you are saying "well it said he's tainted by the dark side, what better case do we have?".

What we have here with the nictel wagon is a case of "3-post player is a better lynch than the others".

[Secura]

Investigations are nerfed.

I must have missed the meeting where that information was revealed; TinCow's scan of you was accurate enough. :S

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I must have missed the meeting where that information was revealed; TinCow's scan of you was accurate enough. :S

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which of 2 factions

Big deal?

Don't :s me. If 3 people have it so far I don't doubt that it's just minor info. Most likely if we wipe out one mafia faction it will be very useful to have the results on who belongs to the other group. Till then it should be kept private. Were you in rubicon?