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Motep

01-02-2011, 04:48

vote: abstain

I'm just too paranoid for this game.

ULC

01-02-2011, 05:00

I could technically clear some of this up without quoting, based on the observations of my role PM but that might reveal too much.

Secura

01-02-2011, 05:07

name
which of 2 factions

Big deal?

The scan of TinCow provides both a name and a faction (Corrupted Cloud Strife, Phazon), exactly as yours does; the difference is that your scan result doesn't imply that you are allied with Dark Samus.

So yes, it's a big deal.

Were you in rubicon?

No, I think it was hosted before I joined the Org, thus I've got no idea what people are talking about when they relate to that game. It's just one of a long list of great games I hear alot about but wasn't a part of, like Pirate Ship Mafia and the Capo games. :<

Death is yonder

01-02-2011, 05:21

Although I find Glenn somewhat suspicious, good points have been raised about the utility of keeping the people talking alive. I also agree that the risk of lynching a pro-town investigator is too great.

vote: Nictel

In line with what was mentioned, the sheer number of investigators at this point, Tincow, Greyblades and Beskar's contact, points out to the likely weakness of the ability.

Anyway, while admittedly it seems prudent to test out investigations since it is self admitted that Tincow is not exactly a strong investigator (and thus not "the world is over!" if he's lynched, his response does not seem guilty, and therefore the other candidate is:

Vote: Nictel

Death is yonder

01-02-2011, 05:21

Ahh forgot to unvote.

Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Nictel

seireikhaan

01-02-2011, 05:45

Vote: Glenn I mean, he's clearly scummy.

Gah, unvote: Glenn, Vote: Nictel. Aren't you paying attention to the thread at all?

... Yeah... I still think its Glenn. Unvote: Nictel, Vote: Glenn

No no no! JOh hush you silly bear, you're making things worse. Just pipe down and listen to the investigations. Plus Nictel's been lurking! Unvote: Glenn, Vote: Nictel

But... but... I've been lurking too. Does that mean its me? Yes, yes it must! Unvote: Nictel, Vote: Yaseikhaan

.... Here, have some honey. Now go sit in the corner. Unvote: Yaseikhaan, Vote: Nictel

thefluffyone93

01-02-2011, 05:48

But... but... I've been lurking too. Does that mean its me? Yes, yes it must! Unvote: Nictel, Vote: Yaseikhaan

YORE LOGIC IS INFALLIBLE.
Unvote; Vote: Thefluffyone93

Link

01-02-2011, 07:45

You're voting Nictel for "lurking" on New Years? Perhaps he has things to do what with it being a holiday.

Csargo

01-02-2011, 08:05

grabs some popcorn

I like where this is headed. Don't mind me, I'll be in the corner.

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 08:17

You're voting Nictel for "lurking" on New Years? Perhaps he has things to do what with it being a holiday.

No, check all of his posts.

Abstain, abstain, not contributing, posting and intentionally not voting. He's not absent, he's either not giving a darn or he's trying to avoid suspicion.

This happened before New Years, plus he doesn't get a pass if he shows up and still doesn't vote.

It's been two day phases and he's posted in both of them, to say nothing both times.

Motep

01-02-2011, 08:34

maybe because he has nothing to say?

fos:ATPG

Double A

01-02-2011, 09:01

FYI, Cthulhu Saves the World is the best game I've played all year.

I dislike the glenn wagon, I feel like he ruffled some feathers mostly.

Post tincow result revealed:

Today 00:18

Today 00:23

He's read the thread and knows about the tincow result, and is still reading closely enough to reply within 5 minutes, but is keeping his distance and apparently enjoying how the events are unfolding.

Wasn't one of the killers blue-eyed and small?

HoS: seon cause I'm still voting for Glenn.

ULC

01-02-2011, 09:04

Yes but one of the killers also used ice to kill, didn't they Sasaki.

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 09:07

maybe because he has nothing to say?

fos:ATPG

Watch where you point that thing, Motep. It has terrible aim.

ULC

01-02-2011, 09:07

Watch where you point that thing, Motep. It has terrible aim.

:rolleyes:

pevergreen

01-02-2011, 09:11

Yes but one of the killers also used ice to kill, didn't they Sasaki.

?

Is sasaki some ice dude?

Motep

01-02-2011, 09:27

fingers all around!

But seriously, Pizza. The town is blindly following you. I suspect a trap, honestly. You speak out against a bandwagon on Tincow, and yet you condone one on Nictel. To kill a lurker. A lurker is such a convenient target, no? Always suspect in these games. And so it is easy to push the town into killing them, because most of us tend to look at what is in front of us and ignore what is not there, a nice place for a mafia to be. But we see this, and kill them. And so where else for the mafia to hide but in plain sight? Not only that, but to take a role in guiding the town! But this is suspicious, too, and everyone sees it. And so what must be done now? Hide in lesser places? For some. But it is still good to control the town, and guide them into killing where you want to kill while thinking you are their innocent leader. How do you have this? By claiming a probable role. Another bounty hunter thing? A bit risky, seeing as it could be taken, but with enough care given analysis of such roles (this one could probably kill) you can pick one that is unlikely to be taken. And so: fos: Kojiro
A good friend to have along, two people both herding the town, coming from opposite directions and converging for the "greater good". I still levy my suspicions, and it is late, and my mind is semi-erratic, and this may not make a whole lot of sense as I may have missed a few details that are important but I think that the ultimate reason for this here already.

vote:ATPG

ULC

01-02-2011, 09:33

?

Is sasaki some ice dude?

Sasaki is Rundas - http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Rundas

Which means Sylux, Ghor, Spire, Kanden, Weavel, Noxus, Gandrayda as well as the now dead Trace are all in. Watch out for Sylux, he is after Samus - he'll behave as if he is a vig when he is actually neutral with the ability to detect Samus and possibly others who have joined her cause.

Motep

01-02-2011, 09:39

Sasaki is Rundas - http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Rundas

Which means Sylux, Ghor, Spire, Kanden, Weavel, Noxus, Gandrayda as well as the now dead Trace are all in. Watch out for Sylux, he is after Samus - he'll behave as if he is a vig when he is actually neutral with the ability to detect Samus and possibly others who have joined her cause.

We have no way to say that they are all in this.

ULC

01-02-2011, 09:40

We have no way to say that they are all in this.

I see no reason not to suspect that.

Motep

01-02-2011, 09:42

I see no reason not to suspect that.

They could all be in. But, they might not all be in. How did the other games roll when it comes to sets such as these?

Choxorn

01-02-2011, 09:58

Well, I'm dead, so I can't vote, and I can't really figure out between the leading candidates who's mafia, as I haven't taken the time to go look through their posts.

As tradition between me and Nictel dictates that one of us must be somehow responsible for the death of the other, it's possible he killed me. If not, I suggest that he be lynched anyway, so that my suggestion may be somehow responsible for his death. :D

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 09:59

fingers all around!

But seriously, Pizza. The town is blindly following you. I suspect a trap, honestly.

Close!

(It's a tarp)

You know who complains about the town blindly following me to their doom, and I mean A LOT? :eyebrows:

You speak out against a bandwagon on Tincow, and yet you condone one on Nictel.

The only way to actually lynch someone is to place more than one vote on them so.... yeah.....

I fail to grasp your point, which you obviously think you have, but is invisible to me.

To kill a lurker. A lurker is such a convenient target, no? Always suspect in these games.

Not really. We've backed off of the "lynch the lurkers" thing for a while now, and for good reason. You do it enough and all the mafia has to do is not lurk and their odds of victory skyrocket.

Nictel's not lurking, either. He's shown up every round. He's simply not CONTRIBUTING when he obviously could be doing so. By my calculations that's either a basic townie or a mafia ducking suspicion, which BTW you'd know if you read any of my posts this round. Why you're accusing me of starting a wagon on a lurker, is beyond me, and it speaks to you not putting much thought into your FOS and subsequent vote on me.

And so it is easy to push the town into killing them, because most of us tend to look at what is in front of us and ignore what is not there, a nice place for a mafia to be. But we see this, and kill them. And so where else for the mafia to hide but in plain sight?

Well, they could also hide in not plain sight, or perhaps someplace in between....

Not only that, but to take a role in guiding the town! But this is suspicious, too, and everyone sees it. And so what must be done now? Hide in lesser places? For some. But it is still good to control the town, and guide them into killing where you want to kill while thinking you are their innocent leader. How do you have this? By claiming a probable role. Another bounty hunter thing? A bit risky, seeing as it could be taken, but with enough care given analysis of such roles (this one could probably kill) you can pick one that is unlikely to be taken. And so: fos: Kojiro

.....

Maybe you're unaware of this, but the logic you're using here is pretty tortured.

No offense, but when you ask yourself no less than six leading questions in order to arrive at your conclusion, it is reminiscent of something else (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155284/sneaky-butthole).

A good friend to have along, two people both herding the town, coming from opposite directions and converging for the "greater good". I still levy my suspicions, and it is late, and my mind is semi-erratic, and this may not make a whole lot of sense as I may have missed a few details that are important but I think that the ultimate reason for this here already.

vote:ATPG

Who had the most to gain from the double lynch yesterday? Could it be the mafia? Yes.... and WHO, my friends, would have the audacity not to vote for either of the tied candidates, in order to maintain the tie, and therefore cause two innocent people to die? Why the mafia of course. So the one who did not vote for the tie was actually most responsible, and therefore the most guilty.

FoS: Askthepizzaguy, for not leading the town toward disaster. As we all know, bad moves are usually townie moves, and moves that look wise in retrospect are caused by perfect information syndrome. You thought you could get away with it, but I agree with Motep, you've been leading the town astray by having lead the lynch on no one so far, which actually makes you the lead sheep herder of them all.

You thought you could get away with it with your logic and reasonableness and your not actually doing what you've been accused of, but I see through such simple tricks.

J'accuse, Pizzahut boy!

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 10:20

Nictel hasn't logged in or flinched at all since I began this wagon on him.

I would expect some sort of reaction by now if I were right. Still possible he's guilty and hasn't read a word of this, but my suspicions are starting to waver.

Motep

01-02-2011, 10:35

Close!

The only way to actually lynch someone is to place more than one vote on them so.... yeah.....

Ensuring the death of everyone you want to kill and noone who is the brainchild of anyone else. "Dont bandwagon on anybody unless I call for it, and only I call for it."

I fail to grasp your point, which you obviously think you have, but is invisible to me.

I am not the most clear person, I am afraid. And I am sorry if I have confused you.

Not really. We've backed off of the "lynch the lurkers" thing for a while now, and for good reason. You do it enough and all the mafia has to do is not lurk and their odds of victory skyrocket.

My spirit soars to hear this news. My experience on the matter is a bit out of date, and I am personally glad we got away from this. But if we stay away from the lurkers entirely, than we make another safe spot.

Nictel's not lurking, either. He's shown up every round. He's simply not CONTRIBUTING when he obviously could be doing so. By my calculations that's either a basic townie or a mafia ducking suspicion, which BTW you'd know if you read any of my posts this round. Why you're accusing me of starting a wagon on a lurker, is beyond me, and it speaks to you not putting much thought into your FOS and subsequent vote on me.

Even better then! Not lurking, but being barely active to not count as a lurker. Someone lazy? Someone who is busy now and is staving off a loss of his place for inactivity? Besides, with lurkers in clear suspicion, what next place to look than those simply avoiding that? I dont think mafia would be this stupid.

Well, they could also hide in not plain sight, or perhaps someplace in between....

The least suspicious place, that plain little thing that doesnt repel your eye but does not really draw it for too long. Loud obnoxious thing? Suspicious activity. A risky place, but one managable for the clever, and a place well worth the risk if played right. You and kojiro? I do not doubt in the least that you could pull this off.

Maybe you're unaware of this, but the logic you're using here is pretty tortured.

No offense, but when you ask yourself no less than six leading questions in order to arrive at your conclusion, it is reminiscent of something else (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155284/sneaky-butthole).

:laugh4:
I have to say, that is very amusing. I was going against both of you, but I realized he had not been included yet and I threw him in there in a way that seemed appropriate. My making of these posts is very linear, and I dont look back. Given enough time and effort, I could have polished that until it gleamed, but this is somewhat time sensitive. To top that off, I am somewhat lazy myself, and I do not really care if you think my logic is tortured. My mind is tortured! It is moving faster than my fingers, and I am merely trying to jot down what I recall of what I thought. I give it to you not on the premise that it is what is right, but that it is a possibilty. You guys may very well be happy, helpful people. And in the event of this, I am terribly sorry for bothering your work, but it is almost....too powerful. By following you two, and only you two, we cull out all other thought, and we become lazier and more vulnerable in the event that you are scum.

Who had the most to gain from the double lynch yesterday? Could it be the mafia? Yes.... and WHO, my friends, would have the audacity not to vote for either of the tied candidates, in order to maintain the tie, and therefore cause two innocent people to die? Why the mafia of course. So the one who did not vote for the tie was actually most responsible, and therefore the most guilty.

Those who pushed for, and those who let it happen. I was a bit late in my vote and was, admittedly, snoozing on the trigger. I will try to do better in the future to prevent such attrocities from occuring.

FoS: Askthepizzaguy, for not leading the town toward disaster. As we all know, bad moves are usually townie moves, and moves that look wise in retrospect are caused by perfect information syndrome. You thought you could get away with it, but I agree with Motep, you've been leading the town astray by having lead the lynch on no one so far, which actually makes you the lead sheep herder of them all.

You thought you could get away with it with your logic and reasonableness and your not actually doing what you've been accused of, but I see through such simple tricks.
J'accuse, Pizzahut boy!

:laugh4: Nobody is perfect.

EDIT: Sorry it took so long to respond. I have munchies, and needed to munch.

ULC

01-02-2011, 10:52

They could all be in. But, they might not all be in. How did the other games roll when it comes to sets such as these?

If there is no reason not to suspect that all of them are in, then it is to be assumed de facto that all are in. Or are you privy to information that we do not have at the general towns disposal?

Motep

01-02-2011, 11:00

If there is no reason not to suspect that all of them are in, then it is to be assumed de facto that all are in. Or are you privy to information that we do not have at the general towns disposal?

I wish I was. Only once in these games, if I recall, was I ever given a useful role. I try to avoid assuming things. On the off chance that we are wrong, it could be disastrous. I am just curious as to whether they are all included, or if greater variety is striven for here. They may very well all be here. Also, if they are all here, and there is already a managerie of roles for the GF, then I doubt they are all on the same side. Kojiro may have the role, you know, but the GF(Survivalist) could be a bunch of poo.

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 11:02

Ensuring the death of everyone you want to kill and noone who is the brainchild of anyone else. "Dont bandwagon on anybody unless I call for it, and only I call for it."

Classical_hero is still alive, isn't he? What about Johnhughthom? How about Beefy? I haven't ensured the death of anyone so far. It's not a foregone conclusion on Nictel either.

But if we stay away from the lurkers entirely, than we make another safe spot.

I try not to lynch people for being a lurker-style player; I try to lynch people for subtle behavioral abnormalities. The ones that demonstrate a different brain wave pattern from normal, while still attempting to behave normally and failing at it in small ways.

Those are the mistakes which are the hardest for the mafia to avoid making: ones they aren't aware of.

Even better then! Not lurking, but being barely active to not count as a lurker. Someone lazy? Someone who is busy now and is staving off a loss of his place for inactivity? Besides, with lurkers in clear suspicion, what next place to look than those simply avoiding that? I dont think mafia would be this stupid.

Mafia have been known to employ every strategy. Lurking, pretending to be totally inactive, voting once per round, abstaining most rounds, keeping activity low but just out of the danger zone, trying to find the happy middle sweet spot, and being a talkative bag of hot air like me. Mafia would be "this stupid", trust me on that. This is exactly how I'd picture Nictel behaving as mafia if he was trying to keep his head down. The trouble is, it's also possible he's behaving that way as town and it just looks like guilty behavior. I don't know.

The least suspicious place, that plain little thing that doesnt repel your eye but does not really draw it for too long. Loud obnoxious thing? Suspicious activity. A risky place, but one managable for the clever, and a place well worth the risk if played right. You and kojiro? I do not doubt in the least that you could pull this off.

I could live with being lynched based on the premise that my behavior is a probable strategy I'd use if I were mafia. It's a weak case, and a wrong one, but at least it's an attempt at solving the game through thinking instead of randomness.

I do not really care if you think my logic is tortured.

It is. :clown: However, the point is not whether or not your case lacks logic; the point is, is the case correct or not?

In my case, no. You're off target here. No amount of good logic could save your case. No amount of bad logic will make it any worse. However, if you wanted to lynch someone, I would suggest making sure the logic adds up first; people do respond to that, especially when they're indecisive. Case in point; this round itself.

Dirty little secret: Not everything you say has to make sense or be accurate to matter. What matters is where your vote ends up, and who gets lynched. If I had to lie through my teeth and speak gibberish in order to get votes on the correct candidates, that would still be a winning move. Putting a "case" together on someone has exactly one purpose; making your vote more appealing for others to follow. It has no impact on the rightness or wrongness of your vote.

And that's coming from me, mister giganti-case.

I am terribly sorry for bothering your work, but it is almost....too powerful. By following you two, and only you two, we cull out all other thought, and we become lazier and more vulnerable in the event that you are scum.

I have no power but what others give me. I don't actually control brain waves. If people want to ignore my cases they can do so. If they want to blame me alone when the cases turn out right or wrong, they may do so. However, this is still a democracy and they're entitled to ignore me and follow their own instincts. That's a nagging little piece of reality that no one likes to talk about because it involves owning one's own behavior, and that's just yicky. Blaming someone else is like delicious cake.

Motep

01-02-2011, 11:23

Classical_hero is still alive, isn't he? What about Johnhughthom? How about Beefy? I haven't ensured the death of anyone so far. It's not a foregone conclusion on Nictel either.

Fun, no?

I try not to lynch people for being a lurker-style player; I try to lynch people for subtle behavioral abnormalities. The ones that demonstrate a different brain wave pattern from normal, while still attempting to behave normally and failing at it in small ways.

A good tactic, and I would employ it if I had experience with these people to go by. But, I guess I just suck soo much that it strangles me and threatens to kill everyone around me. So, even if I did have experience, it would be moot.

I could live with being lynched based on the premise that my behavior is a probable strategy I'd use if I were mafia. It's a weak case, and a wrong one, but at least it's an attempt at solving the game through thinking instead of randomness.

Ah, but if you were mafia....this is how you would act. So, we cannot exactly trust your claims of innocence, now can we?

It is. :clown: However, the point is not whether or not your case lacks logic; the point is, is the case correct or not?

time will tell, and only time. Nothing is certain.

In my case, no. You're off target here. No amount of good logic could save your case. No amount of bad logic will make it any worse. However, if you wanted to lynch someone, I would suggest making sure the logic adds up first; people do respond to that, especially when they're indecisive. Case in point; this round itself.

Dirty little secret: Not everything you say has to make sense or be accurate to matter. What matters is where your vote ends up, and who gets lynched. If I had to lie through my teeth and speak gibberish in order to get votes on the correct candidates, that would still be a winning move. Putting a "case" together on someone has exactly one purpose; making your vote more appealing for others to follow. It has no impact on the rightness or wrongness of your vote.

And that's coming from me, mister giganti-case.

I have no power but what others give me. I don't actually control brain waves. If people want to ignore my cases they can do so. If they want to blame me alone when the cases turn out right or wrong, they may do so. However, this is still a democracy and they're entitled to ignore me and follow their own instincts. That's a nagging little piece of reality that no one likes to talk about because it involves owning one's own behavior, and that's just yicky. Blaming someone else is like delicious cake.

One of the main reasons I am doing this is to get these indecisive people to think for themselves instead of placing their trust in one person. But, if there is someone to trust, and you are actually not out to get us all, than I could see them doing much worse than you. Another reason is because it is fun. Another reason is because I need practice. Another reason is because I need something to do when my girlfriend is replying. The final reason, of course, is me putting off sleep as I still quest for food and need to think of what else I could eat in this foriegn house!!! They dont have any fruit....:bigcry:

EDIT: Screw it. She went to bed, the food here is pre-processed poo, I am tired, and I need to cram two weeks of homework into tomorrow afternoon. I would love to stay and chat, but I have better reasons to sleep than to stay. I hope you enjoy your sleep, and I hope you are not scum. Whether or not you are scum, you are a wonderful opponent, and well above my meagre abilities for such things. But if I don't put my foot in the water for fear of being embarassed by better swimmers, how will I ever become a better swimmer?

DELETE_THIS

01-02-2011, 12:16

Link

01-02-2011, 12:58

No, check all of his posts.

Abstain, abstain, not contributing, posting and intentionally not voting. He's not absent, he's either not giving a darn or he's trying to avoid suspicion.

This happened before New Years, plus he doesn't get a pass if he shows up and still doesn't vote.

It's been two day phases and he's posted in both of them, to say nothing both times.
Good point. Then again, you could just be trying to save your scum buddy tincow with this wagon on Nictel. Vote: Abstain

Greyblades

01-02-2011, 13:31

Beskar

01-02-2011, 13:42

The bandwagon is getting reversed?

So I put myself on the line in this game, to actually reveal this information on behalf of an investigator, just so we as the town can strike the mafia hard in day two and you just fail around like total n00bs?

If TinCow doesn't get lynched today, the town deserves to fail, because not lynching him he one of the most moronic moves in existence. We have pretty much 100% proof that TinCow is a mafia, and you are there, voting randomly on people who could just be a random n00b townie.

Sorry Chaotix, your game looks great so far, so nothing being said about you, but seriously town, it is not even funny, get your act together and stop being such fools.

VOTE: TINCOW
It's 99.99999% Certain he is mafia scum

Secura

01-02-2011, 13:48

Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy.

It's funny that you say this, because it's the exact feeling I had about someone else adamant about lynching you.

"I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow"

Gameroom culture, unfortunately.

pevergreen

01-02-2011, 13:58

I'm sorry Beskar, the big words rule is already being used to get Double A lynched.

You're going to have to wait your turn.

Beskar

01-02-2011, 14:00

Let's look at some "arguments" which are so stupid, they need to be countered once and for all.

"Let's roleblock TinCow, and we can get information out of him!"

Why this is a very bad idea?
This is bad on multiple levels.
Who is the roleblocker, does he even exist? Why use up a roleblocker on a known mafia, when he could help against unknown mafia? What information would TinCow ever reveal which will serve any real purpose? "Oh no... don't kill me, I will give you the names of my mafia partners?" :laugh4: ?

"Those investigation results didn't reveal anything, lets ignore them"

This person is either trying to cover for the mafia or just dumb.
The results say "Corrupted Cloud Strife" "Phazon faction". We know the town is GF and Hero faction, and they are not one of them, and Phazon's are bad guys in the Metroid series. In short, the result says "TinCow (Mafia)". That is accurate enough for me and should be for any townie.

"The investigation might be a fake!!111eleven"

Well then, how do you test a fake?
BY LYNCHING THE SUSPECTED MAFIA, LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH, IF NOT MAFIA, LYNCH THE INVESTIGATOR!

Diamondeye

01-02-2011, 14:27

Gameroom culture, unfortunately.

I usually consider TinCow's posts as pure wisdom.
This does not impede the random.org's chance of making him part of a mafia faction. If he isn't, I'm going to know I can trust his posts fully. But I'm still going to vote him. I'd urge others to join in; part of the lesson ATPG ended SW:FOTO with about bandwagons is that unstoppable bandwagons are bad since they ruin a day's discussion. But it also says that once discussion's through and the day is drawing to a close, you should pick the best case and stick with it. The best case today is TinCow.

I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel. Yes, he might be mafia, but he's got a nerve to lie low like this. I think he's just absent, and could be any role, even a strong protown role. We wouldn't know, because he's silent. I remember starting a Lord Of The Rings game off like this (on CFC). The silent D1 lynch was Aragorn. I'd rather lynch an exposed member of a mafia team.

pevergreen

01-02-2011, 14:46

Unvote: Nictel

9 Nictel (ATPGuy, Winston Hughes, sasaki, TinCow, Beefy, YLC, cecil, Death is yonder, khaan)

9 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, Insanious, classical_hero, Secura, ironside, Diamondeye)

6 Glenn (Romanic, Frozen In Ice, Jarema, Double A, Rebel Jeb, woad&fangs)

1 Insanious (landlubber)

1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)

1 Beskar (Yaropolk)

1 Thefluffyone (Thefluffyone)

1 ATPG (Motep [Did not unvote], Nictel)

1 Motep (God Emperor)

4 Abstaining (Nightbringer, Capt. Blackadder, Motep, Link)

Landlubber is scummy imo.

Secura

01-02-2011, 15:08

I usually consider TinCow's posts as pure wisdom.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but what the Dickens has that got to do with anything when he's faced with a scan result that says he's mafia? Because he's a good contributor, we should leave him alive regardless of scan results against him?

I love the Gameroom, I really do, but this blind reverance of anything and everything that certain people say is just... frustrating as town or mafia; if it was Beskar revealed in such a manner as TinCow has been, people wouldn't be so hesistant to lynch him, would they?

This isn't a tirade against you DE, by the way. :/

The way that I see it, even if we lynched TinCow and it turned out that he was town, it wouldn't prevent him from contributing as the rules allow the dead to have their say as long as they don't reveal information they had prior to death; he could still chip in regarding lynches, his thoughts and such. He's still as influencial in death as he is in life, perhaps moreso because his role's been revealed and we know whether to trust him or not.

The only thing we lose, if he is town, is his scanning ability which apparantly isn't that much of a big deal (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132167-Council-of-Villains-A-State-of-Corruption-In-play&p=2053241786&viewfull=1#post2053241786) anyway.

I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel.

Especially as it's just been the busiest holiday season of the year, I think the lurkers have to be given a little slack at this stage; it shouldn't and won't wash later in the game, though.

God Emperor

01-02-2011, 15:09

Unvote; Vote: Tincow , after speaking a bit with Beskar

Greyblades

01-02-2011, 15:20

Hmph I've been looking over the posts from the last few days and I have to say I'm a little confused.
My ability (which I cant say anything about even though I'm technically a ghost who's allowed to talk to the town, does that mean death gives you a speech inpediment specificaly about roles?) was stolen and tincow says he has one that might be the same one, because of my impediment I cant confirm this but even if he did, say, know enough to convince me he has the same role, that doesn't mean anything because someone nicked it last night and would know about the ability.

So, theres a role running around with my ability who may be a mafia who can steal abilities of victims or someone else that can steal abilities from dead people. Actually now that I think about it doesn't samus have a tendancy to get new abilities from defeated abilities? Hmm now that I think about it maybe it was samus that killed me, thats interesting thought, a pro town power role kills me first turn when I was technically just a townie, that means I'm such a bad townie the vigilante killed me on the first turn.

Also Beskar claims to be working with someone with an investigator role, which I might or might not have had, so theres the possibility that he is being used by the guy who stole my power, if investigate was indeed was my ability, who might be a mafia who steals from his kills, an actual investigator, or samus.

Secura

01-02-2011, 15:28

Actually now that I think about it doesn't samus have a tendancy to get new abilities from defeated abilities?

As far as I can remember, considering my Wii's been gathering dust over the last year or so, that's not the case; in the Prime series at least, you seem to get new abilities before boss fights which will specifically require judicious the new ability in order to triumph, just like the Zelda games.

Hmm now that I think about it maybe it was samus that killed me, thats interesting thought, a pro town power role kills me first turn when I was technically just a townie, that means I'm such a bad townie the vigilante killed me on the first turn.

I think that it's already been theorised that Samus was one of the killers last night, so it's a possibility that she targetted you; however, I wouldn't say you're a bad townie based on being killed in the first phase... I'd guess it was just a random choice.

pevergreen

01-02-2011, 15:30

Unvote; Vote: Tincow

Vote: Nictel

Lets go tie, lets go!

Greyblades

01-02-2011, 15:32

As far as I can remember, considering my Wii's been gathering dust over the last year or so, that's not the case; in the Prime series at least, you seem to get new abilities before boss fights which will specifically require the new equipment you've acquired in order to triumph, just like the Zelda games.

I think I got samus mixed up with kirby, still, this is a mafia adaptation so we can only guess at what she can do.

I think that it's already been theorised that Samus was one of the killers last night, so it's a possibility that she targetted you; however, I wouldn't say you're a bad townie based on being killed in the first phase... I'd guess it was just a random choice.
:sweatdrop: That was an attempt at selft depricating humor.

Diamondeye

01-02-2011, 15:37

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but what the Dickens has that got to do with anything when he's faced with a scan result that says he's mafia? Because he's a good contributor, we should leave him alive regardless of scan results against him?

I'm voting for TinCow, Secura. I just meant to tell people you can do that even though he's usually a good town player.

I love the Gameroom, I really do, but this blind reverance of anything and everything that certain people say is just... frustrating as town or mafia; if it was Beskar revealed in such a manner as TinCow has been, people wouldn't be so hesistant to lynch him, would they?

This isn't a tirade against you DE, by the way. :/

The way that I see it, even if we lynched TinCow and it turned out that he was town, it wouldn't prevent him from contributing as the rules allow the dead to have their say as long as they don't reveal information they had prior to death; he could still chip in regarding lynches, his thoughts and such. He's still as influencial in death as he is in life, perhaps moreso because his role's been revealed and we know whether to trust him or not.

The only thing we lose, if he is town, is his scanning ability which apparantly isn't that much of a big deal (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132167-Council-of-Villains-A-State-of-Corruption-In-play&p=2053241786&viewfull=1#post2053241786) anyway.

Especially as it's just been the busiest holiday season of the year, I think the lurkers have to be given a little slack at this stage; it shouldn't and won't wash later in the game, though.

Basically, I agree with everything you said because it was exactly what I was trying to say as well. Sorry if my English failed me :shame:

Also, concerning Samus; I think he was among the killers last night, what with a "Hunter" who moved by rolling in his "ball-form". I know he can do this in Super Smash Bros, at least; does anyone else in this universe have that ability (apart from Dark Samus, who most likely was the "Dark Hunter")? Vigilantekilling on N1 is a gutsy move, and one I wouldn't think a lot of people consider smart.

Jarema

01-02-2011, 15:41

Unvote, vote: TinCow

Death is yonder

01-02-2011, 15:57

Bah, his response doesn't sound guilty, but I'll be more inclined to trust my head in the face of this logic.

The way that I see it, even if we lynched TinCow and it turned out that he was town, it wouldn't prevent him from contributing as the rules allow the dead to have their say as long as they don't reveal information they had prior to death; he could still chip in regarding lynches, his thoughts and such. He's still as influencial in death as he is in life, perhaps moreso because his role's been revealed and we know whether to trust him or not.

The only thing we lose, if he is town, is his scanning ability which apparantly isn't that much of a big deal anyway.

Unvote:Nictel
Vote:Tincow

Since after all, Tincow's valued contributions can be made dead or alive. After thinking about it for a moment, one thing that stood out the most is that, should Tincow be dead and proven innocent, his analysis etc can be read with the extra credibility of someone who is definitely innocent, rather than being taken with a pinch of salt.

Secura

01-02-2011, 16:02

Basically, I agree with everything you said because it was exactly what I was trying to say as well. Sorry if my English failed me :shame:

I realised this after I'd made my post, that's my bad... but my points still remain, I'd like more people to think for themselves; master manipulators are only effective because the people they have in their thrall allow them to be.

Also, concerning Samus; I think he was among the killers last night, what with a "Hunter" who moved by rolling in his "ball-form". I know he can do this in Super Smash Bros, at least

Someone hasn't been reading their TVTropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SamusIsAGirl)! :P

Since after all, Tincow's valued contributions can be made dead or alive. After thinking about it for a moment, one thing that stood out the most is that, should Tincow be dead and proven innocent, his analysis etc can be read with the extra credibility of someone who is definitely innocent, rather than being taken with a pinch of salt.

Exactly.

Yaropolk

01-02-2011, 16:19

Unvote: Beskar Vote:Nictel

Beskar, if you want my vote on TC, the answer my question. What did the investigator say when you asked him why he randomly trusted you on N1?

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 16:26

Are you kidding me? Sorry that I have a life.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy Cause he is clearly trying to save his mafia buddy. Also your big posts day 2 are really strange you usually only start those when people are trying to lynch you, scared?

Furthermore I say we lynch everyone that voted for me. "Bandwagons are bad" "No don't vote tincow he only had an investigator say he was guilty" "I will not participate on a bandwagon against tincow" "tincow hasn't said anything lets not lynch him"

"Hey Nictel has only posted once on New years day. LETS ALL LYNCH HIM WITHOUT REASON!"

I detest the idea of lynching someone who's not responded at all, like Nictel. Yes, he might be mafia, but he's got a nerve to lie low like this.

I dunno. I'd call the above a response. If Tincow wasn't the big alternative for today, and people were thinking with clearer heads, you'd probably agree with me that Nictel flinched.

All I can do is sigh and shake my head at the notion that I obviously must be Tincow's mafia partner. Because this is absolutely how I behave as mafia, which is risk my head to save my caught-by-investigator mafia partner, so I'll get scanned tonight and lynched as well tomorrow. That's absolutely something I would do as mafia, because it would.... have an ice cube's chance in hades of working.

I get that I do crazy gambits sometimes, but honestly folks, use your freaking heads please.

Tincow IS probably Mafia. And Beskar knows exactly what I was doing this round, which was trying to extract information from Tincow via the following strategy:

1. I act nice toward Tincow, and try to "save" him
2. Beskar plays bad cop, and puts pressure on him
3. We get someone to reveal that they are mafia to Tincow, with an offer of alliance.

See how TC reacts to this. My bet was he'd react to either 1, 2, or 3, I don't care how awesome he is at these games. It's too tempting to flinch.

Well guess what? Plan failed, and you want to know why? Because people don't have any :daisy: patience or give me any :daisy: credit for having an intelligent thought once in a while.

I also don't appreciate having alternative ideas being called dumb. Having a one-track mind in a mafia game is dumb, and demonstrably so.

Thanks for listening.

unvote

Do what you want. I don't care right now.

Reenk Roink

01-02-2011, 16:26

Ooooooh

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Wassup town

Stop wasting your time lynching 'lurkers' and 'non helpful posters' and ACT on the detective result claim, because it definitely gives a more concrete plan of action, depending on the truth and falsity of the claim. Beskar has said something about TinCow and an investigator. Indulge him for now, and lynch him if he's wrong or lying.

Killing 'lurkers' and 'non helpful posters' or players termed as such is an AWFUL idea, because most 'lurkers' and 'non helpful players' are bound to be townies, many of who will show up when the game becomes more interesting and important later on.

Just a thought... :juggle:

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 16:34

Unvote: Beskar Vote:Nictel

Beskar, if you want my vote on TC, the answer my question. What did the investigator say when you asked him why he randomly trusted you on N1?

Don't bother, Yaropolk. You're not voting for Tincow, so you must be "dumb". :no:

pevergreen

01-02-2011, 16:37

Telling people what to do.

Unvote, Vote: TinCow

Reenk Roink

01-02-2011, 16:48

Unvote, Vote: TinCow

You and I equal:

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(obviously you're Gretzky)

TinCow

01-02-2011, 16:57

Well, it seems the town's momentary romance with insanity has passed and you have decided to do the 100% correct thing and lynch me. Good for you, be proud. As I am about to die, I'd like to take this moment to have a bit of a direct conversation. Beskar is correct, I am

Corrupted Cloud Strife

My faction is Phazon. We are one of the two mafia families, my master is Dark Samus. I do not know the name of the other mafia family, but they are led by Samus. My family's goal is to eliminate Samus' family and the GF. Samus' goal is to eliminate my family and the IDFH. As such, my family is allied with the IDFH and Samus' family is allied with the GF.

As I remain alive for several more hours, I am capable of communicating with anyone in private. I urge all IDFH Survivalists to PM me and reveal themselves to me. The Phazon WILL NOT kill IDFH players and we will do our best to aid you and protect you. If you have any desire to win with us, you need to contact me now and ID yourself. You only have until the end of this round to do this privately. After I am dead, I cannot PM so you will no longer be able to communicate to me secretly. In addition, the Phazon may decide to recruit a few of you in the future, whether you like it or not. If you would like the honor of joining our glorious mafia family, PMing me is a very good start.

For all players, IDFH and GF alike, it is time to decide where your loyalties lie. Are you going to play this game like a straight (and boring) mafia game, or are you going to embrace the divided town concept for its full entertainment value, and go for a mafia alliance? I will be coordinating IDFH town activities from here on out. I am already working with two of you on a method to ensure that I can give instructions secretly even while posting publicly. Those players will be able to organize things secretly even in my absence. Any of you who successfully convince me that you are IDFH and want a mafia-aligned victory will also be given individual codes for private communication. All players I communicate with will have their own individual codes, so that no one will be able to understand anyone else's instructions. For security, of course. IDFH players with vigilante skills are highly desirable, and will be given the opportunity to demonstrate their loyalty immediately. The rewards will be great entertainment, and surely a significant advantage over our un-organized GF counterparts (no offense, guys).

Oh, one final thing... someone who votes for me will die when I am lynched. It's a nice special defensive ability I have. If you need to survive to win, you might want to bail off this wagon right now. Don't say I didn't warn you. Good luck trying to dodge my random kill, Samus! :bow:

Let the games begin!

ALL IDFH SURVIVALISTS SHOULD CONTACT ME PRIVATELY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THIS WILL GREATLY IMPROVE YOUR ODDS OF SURVIVAL AND FINAL VICTORY. PROOF OF LOYALTY WILL BE REQUIRED.

P.S. For those who think it's unfair that a player like me gets so much deference, consider the fairness in constantly being investigated on N1 in every game. :furious3:

pevergreen

01-02-2011, 17:00

Its so true, my friend.

I actually know who Gretzky is as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPcGF9iAtoE

In this one, replace "Slater" with you. I'm the kicker, Darren Lockyer. I set you up for your moment of greatness. :beam:

:smitten:

pevergreen

01-02-2011, 17:03

Don't edit post with vote in it, so:

Oh, one final thing... someone who votes for me will die when I am lynched. It's a nice special defensive ability I have.
Unvote: TinCow

peverreenk must continue.

Beskar

01-02-2011, 17:04

will be given the opportunity to demonstrate their loyalty immediately.

By night killing me? :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

I would like to remind people, that our primarily winning condition is: kill the anti-town

I could PM you Tincow, but I don't think you would spare me, IDFH or not.

Beskar is correct, I am

Corrupted Cloud Strife

My faction is Phazon.

TinCow

01-02-2011, 17:06

I would like to remind people, that our primarily winning condition is: kill the anti-town

Unfortunately for you, the Survivalist victory condition is much different:

Defeat all anti-town forces and survive.

That last part is a stickler, isn't it? Shame there's so many Survivalists...

pevergreen

01-02-2011, 17:07

Also, Beskar was right.

"Sigurd is the sith lord"

:furious3:

Beskar

01-02-2011, 17:12

That last part is a stickler, isn't it?

Survive is the secondary condition. It is made redundant by the "eliminate anti-town" which is the main victory condition, so they would get a lot lower victory working with you, then them being dead and you getting eliminated.

On the note, you would want Sasaki dead according to what you would say, also you just turned any GF people against you.

So no wins co-operating you, it would be far simpler killing you off than trying to find half a town full of GF people.

P.S. For those who think it's unfair that a player like me gets so much deference, consider the fairness in constantly being investigated on N1 in every game. :furious3:

A bit of a bogus statement. If you want to experience real first-rounding, be either me or AskthePizzaGuy.

Also, when it happens to me and ATPG, we are lynched straight away without question.

Reenk Roink

01-02-2011, 17:26

My man TinCow, if you know who killed me, tell them it was a bad choice. I would have gladly joined Mafia.

DELETE_THIS

01-02-2011, 17:30

I dunno. I'd call the above a response. If Tincow wasn't the big alternative for today, and people were thinking with clearer heads, you'd probably agree with me that Nictel flinched.

All I can do is sigh and shake my head at the notion that I obviously must be Tincow's mafia partner. Because this is absolutely how I behave as mafia, which is risk my head to save my caught-by-investigator mafia partner, so I'll get scanned tonight and lynched as well tomorrow.

In about 5 minutes I have a huge bandwagon on my roof, of course I react. ATPG you double-triple cross so many times it's hard to keep track of what 'your tactic' is. But yes you should be scanned.

TinCow

01-02-2011, 17:36

My man TinCow, if you know who killed me, tell them it was a bad choice. I would have gladly joined Mafia.

My mafia family did not kill you. I would never stoop so low, you're too much good fun.

pevergreen

01-02-2011, 17:39

A bit of a bogus statement. If you want to experience real first-rounding, be either me or AskthePizzaGuy.

If you want to experience real first rounding, be Ultrawar.

From the original glossary:

UltraWar: Being killed and/or lynched in the first round repeatedly over various games

It was, what, every single game for a long, long period.

Insanious

01-02-2011, 17:42

Oh, one final thing... someone who votes for me will die when I am lynched.

Unvote: TinCrow
Vote Glenn

Chaotix

01-02-2011, 17:46

Excellent activity here, guys! 2 days in and we've got almost 20 pages!

I'm posting to say that the round will end in approximately 5 hours. I may not be around to end it exactly at that point, but no votes will be accepted after 5:00 PM EST. If there happens to be a tie, I will expect to know the outcome by the time I get to the write-up.

classical_hero

01-02-2011, 17:51

Insanious, that is a bluff by TinCow to try and survive.

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 17:59

In about 5 minutes I have a huge bandwagon on my roof, of course I react. ATPG you double-triple cross so many times it's hard to keep track of what 'your tactic' is. But yes you should be scanned.

So should you. You don't normally react this way, especially if you're a boring old townie.

Exactly what treasure did I uncover? I am anxious to find out. Rest assured, I will find out.

TinCow

01-02-2011, 17:59

Insanious, that is a bluff by TinCow to try and survive.

Nope, it's an ability called Overdrive. The description is: "If killed or lynched, your killer or a player who voted for you will die, too." Obviously some of you will not believe this, but the WIFOM it causes by revealing it is amusing to me, particularly in a game with so many Survivalists.

Insanious

01-02-2011, 18:03

Insanious, that is a bluff by TinCow to try and survive.

If you read / remembered about the past two Council of Villan's games, the Mafia all had this ability, or at least they did in the first one. Where every time a mafia was lynched, the mafia would kill one of the people that voted for them. Since this is the next installment of that series...

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 18:07

If you read / remembered about the past two Council of Villan's games, the Mafia all had this ability, or at least they did in the first one. Where every time a mafia was lynched, the mafia would kill one of the people that voted for them. Since this is the next installment of that series...

I love it when new players actually do their homework. Pizza approves.

At least don't vote for Glenn, though. There's no reason for that unless you're trying to get recruited.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-02-2011, 18:28

Pizza, some people learn nothing from star wars...it is always good to have a counterwagon to a mafia lynch. Although I was confused about what the investigation result contained.

Frozen In Ice

01-02-2011, 18:48

There was a counter-wagon in Glenn already. If the counterwagon has to begin after the mafia is found out then that makes sense.

pevergreen

01-02-2011, 18:53

Two counter wagons, really.

4am, beddy times.

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 18:55

After TC is both investigated and admitted scum, I don't see a reason for a mega-wagon on TC, but I also don't see the point of placing more votes on Glenn or Nictel either.

I wouldn't risk a double lynch here, even if Nictel is acting the way he is. A tie can easily be broken last minute.

Every good principle has exceptions; here, there really doesn't seem to be a need for further votes on anyone but Tincow. So, explain to me the logic.

Are we giving up on a town victory this early, and just having a mafia shoot-out? What's the idea behind these moves?

Frozen In Ice

01-02-2011, 18:56

Unvote:Glenn

Here's the tally:

11 TinCow (Beskar, Skooma Addict, autolycus, johnhughtom, classical_hero, Secura, ironside, Diamondeye,God Emperor, Jarema, Death is yonder)
8 Nictel (Winston Hughes, sasaki, TinCow, Beefy, YLC, cecil, khaan,Yaropolk)
5 Glenn (Romanic, Double A, Rebel Jeb, woad&fangs, Insanious)
1 Insanious (landlubber)
1 Rebel Jeb (Glenn)
1 Thefluffyone (Thefluffyone)
1 ATPG (Motep [Did not unvote], Nictel)
4 Abstaining (Nightbringer, Capt. Blackadder, Motep, Link)

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 19:05

vote: Tincow

Wouldn't have to do this if certain people would unvote. Just need a few.

Winston Hughes

01-02-2011, 19:19

unvote; vote: Tincow

landlubber

01-02-2011, 19:19

unvote, vote: Nictel.
Let's go for a tie. Both Nictel and Tincow are suspects, and with any luck, both of them could be lynched.

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 19:23

I wouldn't risk a double lynch here, even if Nictel is acting the way he is. A tie can easily be broken last minute.

Do you honestly believe it is worth the risk, landlubber?

Motep

01-02-2011, 19:30

unvote
vote:tincow

Frozen In Ice

01-02-2011, 19:34

Vote: Abstain I probably won't be back in time for the deadline.

Double A

01-02-2011, 19:56

I was going to vote for TC, but there are more than enough people voting for him right now. I honestly doubt he would kill all of his voters, that would be way overpowered and Chaotix is very good at balancing the game. However, there still is a chance one person may die, so take that for what you will. I may be wrong about Glenn, so unvote, vote: abstain for now.

TinCow

01-02-2011, 20:25

Oh, by the way, the ability Beskar's detective used to ID me is called X-Ray Visor. It is the only investigative ability in the game that can pierce a cover role, and it is possessed by both mafia families. Beskar's detective is my counterpart from the Samus mafia family. So, for all you pure townies out there, beware who you trust.

Nightbringer

01-02-2011, 20:28

I too was going to vote Tincow, but in the interest of not causing an overwhelming bandwagon, I'll just keep abstaining. Everything else is too confusing and I don't have time to analize all this to try to find someone who looks guilty. And no, I won't follow you, whoever you are, in voting X other person because I just don't see much value in all those other cases yet. Maybe those people are worth watching, but lets lynch tincow now, and watch those people.

With this lynch, whether tincow is mafia or not, we are going to get a lot of information for sure.

EDIT. Just read the last page, yah, kill kill vote Tincow... I'll be right over here, cheering you on and not dying!

Choxorn

01-02-2011, 20:46

Askthepizzaguy

01-02-2011, 20:48

EDIT. Just read the last page, yah, kill kill vote Tincow... I'll be right over here, cheering you on and not dying!

Well you look nervous. Is it the scars? Wanna know how I get em?

ULC

01-02-2011, 21:00

Thanks TC, for confirming most of my private suspicions.

Also, Reenk, Sasaki was the one that killed you.

Greyblades

01-02-2011, 21:02

Well you look nervous. Is it the scars? Wanna know how I get em?

You tried to open a bag of chips with a chainsaw?

Diamondeye

01-02-2011, 21:06

I realised this after I'd made my post, that's my bad... but my points still remain, I'd like more people to think for themselves; master manipulators are only effective because the people they have in their thrall allow them to be.

Someone hasn't been reading their TVTropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SamusIsAGirl)! :P

I forgot :shame: - I know Samus is a gal but not by gut, and I was in a hurry.

If you read / remembered about the past two Council of Villan's games, the Mafia all had this ability, or at least they did in the first one. Where every time a mafia was lynched, the mafia would kill one of the people that voted for them. Since this is the next installment of that series...

... Anyone not willing to put a vote on TinCow for this reason has something to hide, whether it's scum or something else. There is no reason why a vanilla townie would let this ability deter them.

Well you look nervous. Is it the scars? Wanna know how I get em?

This. Even if TinCow's claim is true, backing off is a no-go. Letting the mafia coerce us is not going to win the game.

Beskar

01-02-2011, 21:09

TinCow

01-02-2011, 21:11

So Greyblades the proven townie was from a third mysterious family?

I'm confused, sorry, what does Greyblades have to do with anything?

Beskar

01-02-2011, 21:12

I'm confused, sorry, what does Greyblades have to do with anything?

He claimed investigator, it is in the thread. He has said it multiple times... he has the exact piece of equipment, you said it was 'mafia only' but he has died and been revealed as a proven town.

Have you not been reading and just spewing random false information?

ULC

01-02-2011, 21:13

So Greyblades the proven townie was from a third mysterious family?

Also, Samus is mafia? :laugh4:

Keep them rolling tincow.

Samus is mafia, derp. Samus opposes Dark Samus, Dark Samus being Anti-GF and Anti-Samus, and Samus being Anti-IDFH and Anti-Dark Samus. The town, when not aligned with either Samus or Dark Samus, is aligned with each other. All GF alignment and IDFH alignment indicate is which mafia family can recruit you, especially if you are a survivalist since you'll become more important as the game progresses.

This is fact, stop trying to refute it, or you might reveal whom your benefactors are.

TinCow

01-02-2011, 21:15

He claimed investigator, it is in the thread. He has said it multiple times... he has the exact piece of equipment, you said it was 'mafia only' but he has died and been revealed as a proven town.

Have you not been reading and just spewing random false information?

No, he had Scan Visor. The other ability is X-Ray Visor. Two different abilities, similar name.

landlubber

01-02-2011, 21:15

Do you honestly believe it is worth the risk, landlubber?

Well, neither of them have claimed a power role, so it's either we lynch unhelpful/suspicious townies or mafia. Either way sounds good to me.

ULC

01-02-2011, 21:16

No, he had Scan Visor. The other ability is X-Ray Visor. Two different abilities, similar name.

There is a Thermal Visor as well to round out the scanning abilities.

TinCow

01-02-2011, 21:16

There is a Thermal Visor as well to round out the scanning abilities.

Is that the activity/inactivity investigation?

ULC

01-02-2011, 21:21

Is that the activity/inactivity investigation?

That wasn't in converse to you TC, that was to inform the town, which I still happen to be aligned with.

TinCow

01-02-2011, 21:31

Greyblades

01-02-2011, 21:45

So Greyblades the proven townie was from a third mysterious family?
I'm such a good mafia I warped reality and kept my identity secret from even myself! Fear me puny mortals!

robbiecon

01-02-2011, 21:47

Apologies, my PM box space filled up momentarily. Don't know how long it was like that before I noticed. The problem is fixed now, so everyone who got their messages blocked can resend them now. I'll pay more attention to my space limits from now on.

How could your PM box be filled up? I'm pretty sure the limit is 1,000,000 messages here. But maybe I'm thinking about TWC.

TinCow

01-02-2011, 21:51

How could your PM box be filled up? I'm pretty sure the limit is 1,000,000 messages here. But maybe I'm thinking about TWC.

My limit is 200. That's plenty if I remember to clear it, but since I used to have space for 5,000 it's not something I'm used to paying attention to.

Jarema

01-02-2011, 21:54

unvote, vote: abstain

Chaotix

01-02-2011, 23:06

Round is ended. I will begin tallying up the votes.

Double A

01-02-2011, 23:15

Doctors, protect Beskar tonight.

In case you didn't get the hint.

So Greyblades the proven townie was from a third mysterious family?

Also, Samus is mafia? :laugh4:

Keep them rolling tincow.

I'm positive Samus is anti-Phazon, but I doubt she's anti-IDFH.

Since she was working with those punks who were killing off my cannon fodder!

Beskar

01-02-2011, 23:18

I do hope doctors will protect me tonight.

Greyblades

01-02-2011, 23:27

Since she was working with those punks who were killing off my cannon fodder!

Man thats nostalgic, hey chaotix are we going to have another council game any time soon?

ULC

01-02-2011, 23:29

I'm positive Samus is anti-Phazon, but I doubt she's anti-IDFH.

You're wrong, sorry to disappoint you.

Skooma Addict

01-02-2011, 23:34

I'm positive Samus is anti-Phazon, but I doubt she's anti-IDFH.

Both Samus and Dark Samus are dangerous to the town. I believe them both to belong to Phazon. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's correct.

Double A

01-02-2011, 23:38

That doesn't make sense, though. Why would Samus be against both the organization she's part of and the one she collects bounties from?

Unless Fawful is involved, anyway.

Chaotix

01-03-2011, 00:04

EDIT: FINAL TALLY:

TinCow: 13 (Beskar, Skooma, autolycus, johnhughthom, classical_hero, Diamondeye, Secura, Ironside, God Emperor, DiY, ATPG, Winston, Motep)

Nictel: 8 (Sasaki, TinCow, Beefy, YLC, Cecil, khaan, Yaropolk, landlubber)

Glenn: 4 (Romanic, Rebel Jeb, woad&fangs, Insanious)
ATPG: 1 (Nictel)
Rebel Jeb: 1 (Glenn)
Thefluffyone: 1 (Thefluffyone)

Abstaining: Nightbringer, Blackadder, Link, Frozen, Double A, Csargo, Seon, Jarema

INACTIVE: ByzKnight (1st), dcmort (1st), Khazaar (1st), Renata (1st), Yaseikhaan (1st)

-------------------------------------------------------

TinCow has been lynched. Feel free to send me night orders.

Also, you may notice I started keeping tabs on who's not even showing up to post during the round. If you accumulate more than 5 of these, or 3 in a row, chances are you'll be WoG'd and replaced. And nobody wants that except Greyblades. :clown:

I'm beginning the write-up now.

Greyblades

01-03-2011, 00:11

What can I say, after the first council of villians game I was hooked. Pity there hasnt been another council game actually featuring a council since the first one.

TinCow

01-03-2011, 00:12

For those of you who think Samus is somehow pro-town, Samus killed robbiecon last night. Samus is the Hunter. Dark Samus is the Dark Hunter. They're clearly visible in the write-up. Samus killed GF last night because, like us, she had no intel on who belonged to which faction. Thus, she was forced to kill randomly and hit a GF through bad luck. Those kinds of blind attacks are exactly what we Phazon are trying to avoid when it comes to the IDFH. While it is too late for the IDFH to contact me secretly now, many did so before time expired. So, if you are an IDFH survivalist, there are others amongst you who know how to get in contact with me and inform me of your alignment. If you want to stay alive, do make an attempt to locate other IDFH players and share information with them. Obviously, be cautious who you trust, as the GF are not going to be happy about this.

Choxorn

01-03-2011, 00:55

How could your PM box be filled up? I'm pretty sure the limit is 1,000,000 messages here. But maybe I'm thinking about TWC.

It's a million on TWC, it's 200 here.

Also, you may notice I started keeping tabs on who's not even showing up to post during the round. If you accumulate more than 5 of these, or 3 in a row, chances are you'll be WoG'd and replaced. And nobody wants that except Greyblades. :clown:

I want that, too, and so does everyone else on the replacement list. :)

dcmort93

01-03-2011, 00:57

I'm here, just not in time to vote in the last phase

Insanious

01-03-2011, 01:01

I'm here, just not in time to vote in the last phase

The last phase was 48 hours, what kind of a NYE coma did you go into? :P

dcmort93

01-03-2011, 01:03

Its called beating Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 in under a week

ULC

01-03-2011, 01:07

That doesn't make sense, though. Why would Samus be against both the organization she's part of and the one she collects bounties from?

Unless Fawful is involved, anyway.

Because Samus is NOT IDFH aligned nor can she recruit from them. Samus is nominally GF aligned, and can recruit from the survivalists among the GF. TC hasn't lied, because he hasn't had too - it's in his best interests that the town fight amongst themselves trying to prevent Dark Samus from recruiting heavily from the IDFH now that Dark Samus has several contacts within the IDFH. Those of the IDFH who can be recruited, will be, those who can't and those who have yet to be act as a good distraction.

TC and his faction are in a very strong position so long as they recieved a large number of contacts. A lot of IDFH will have likely contacted TC just so they can jump ship if it starts to sink and will try to remain town up until then.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-03-2011, 01:25

ULC

01-03-2011, 01:29

It seems clear that my feelings about the detective result were correct--that there is a nerfed ability that will not catch mafia. But beskar had a more powerful investigation. That gives him good odds of being the counterpart to tincow (which is basically confirmed to be in the game). Other possibility is that he is a protown investigator. In either case it's good to start with a small wagon on him tomorrow.

Total lie - Beskar is with Dark Samus, they just sacked TC, who will still win with them, to gain 5+ recruits. An even gamble which publicly puts Beskar at odds with TC. I don't even really trust you Sasaki, despite being Rundas.

Prevote: Beskar

Sasaki Kojiro

01-03-2011, 01:36

I didn't kill reenk roink, although the fact that someone is going around claiming it explains the pm's going about. So I think you know less than you think you do.

I doubt beskar and tc are the same family.

ULC

01-03-2011, 01:38

It doesn't matter what you "believe", Sasaki, as it is of little importance to me when I pursue my case against Beskar, and you if you get in my way. I am not going to be intimidated and pigeonholed like everyone else is, and I evidently know more then you do about the current situation.

Greyblades

01-03-2011, 01:39

Total lie - Beskar is with Dark Samus, they just sacked TC, who will still win with them, to gain 5+ recruits. An even gamble which publicly puts Beskar at odds with TC. I don't even really trust you Sasaki, despite being Rundas.

Prevote: Beskar

Maybe I missed something. but where the heck are you getting these allegations?

Chaotix

01-03-2011, 01:39

Day 2

It had been another long day on the GFS Olympus. There was much arguing and accusation, and the crew had become even more factionalized between the GF and the IDFH. But in the end, the voting had come to a clear resolution (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9aeNxHgJ5U). This time Captain Falcon stepped forward to tally the votes.

https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/CaptainFalcon.jpg

When he had finished, a grimace crossed his face. He turned to the assembled crew to read the result.

“Today, you have decided that the impostor among is… the IDFH warrior Isaac, of the Golden Sun dimension. He is accused of being, in reality, the missing IDFH hero Cloud Strife, corrupted by the influence of the Dark Hunter.”

Isaac stepped forward solemnly and silently. The IDFH was in an uproar. They began shouting and protesting vigorously against the accusations against one of their own.

https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Isaac.jpg

“WHAT? Just because he looks like Cloud, now he’s accused of BEING Cloud? This is ridiculous!”

Captain Falcon tried in earnest to calm down his own comrades.

“Quiet! A vote is a vote. This is what we agreed to do. We did it for great justice!”

He then turned to the suspect.

“Now, Isaac. What do you have to say for yourself?”

“…”

“Come on! Defend yourself. Show me your case!”

“…”

Captain Falcon soon realized that Isaac was one of those silent RPG heroes and really didn’t speak a whole lot. He was at a loss for what to do… perhaps this was an admission by non-denial.

“Alright then. Here’s what we’re going to do. I want Isaac locked up in the Quarantine Bay for the rest of this trip.”

Suddenly, a pale-faced GF officer dressed in a lab coat stood up.

“I… uhhh… I don’t think that’s a very good idea.”

Falcon gave the Quarantine Officer a piercing glare from behind his visor.

“That wasn’t a question. Do it now.”

The GF Quarantine Officer and a few marines brought Isaac down to the Quarantine Bay, near the bottom hull of the ship. The Officer dismissed the soldiers before they could see the blue glow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W7K5qElBcI) emanating from behind the cold steel door. The Officer unlocked and opened the door, and Isaac walked willingly inside. Then the door was carefully locked and sealed behind him.

The Quarantine Officer proceeded to the Observation room, where he was provided a full view of the quarantined chamber through a large, ten inch thick glass window.

https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/GFQuarantineOfficer.png

Inside the chamber stood Isaac, and he was surrounded on all sides by a massive quantity of pure Phazon ore. This was what he had been so reluctant to place Isaac in quarantine for.

Secretly, GF High Command had stored away tons of Phazon ore on the Olympus, for the purpose of experimentation and development of new bioweapons. The IDFH was completely unaware of the presence of such material, and most GF officials did not even know of its existence. If the IDFH found out about it, they would no doubt want it for themselves.

The Quarantine Officer continued to watch Isaac intently, and soon he began to notice a change in his usually calm demeanor. He began to twitch, and it soon became clear that the massive amount of Phazon around him made it difficult to mask his true feelings. The disguise faded away from Isaac and his true identity was revealed.

https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/CloudStrife-1.jpg

Cloud Strife, corrupted by the Phazon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaZOGhESWmg), was now trying absorb it all for himself. Frantic, the Quarantine Officer sent security mechs into the chamber to neutralize him, but he destroyed them all with a quick slash from his massive Buster Sword. Cloud then looked straight at the officer with a wicked grin on his face.

He shot at high speed straight through the plate glass, and proceeded to impale the Officer on his sword, cackling maniacally as he did so. But Cloud did not manage to kill the Officer before he pressed the red emergency button. Sirens were already blaring, and within seconds Captain Falcon and the majority of the crew had arrived, but were cautious of getting too close.

Falcon marched right up to Cloud, who swung his blade viciously. The Captain managed to dodge the first two swings, and then caught the blade in his hands on the third. He wrenched the Buster Sword out of Cloud’s grip and tossed it to the side, proceeding to bury Cloud in a flurry of punches. While Cloud was stunned from the attack, he brought back his fist in preparation for another attack.

“FALCON…”

Flames surrounded the Captain, and his fist shot forward.

“PAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUNNNNCCHHH!”

The Corrupted warrior was disintegrated into raw Phazon just from the power of the attack.

Captain Falcon looked back at his IDFH warriors in triumph.

“Awww yeah! We got one of them!”

But the IDFH was in staring in awe at the glowing blue mass behind him.

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Living: 39/47
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Beskar
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Cecil XIX
classical_hero
Csargo
dcmort93
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Double A
Frozen in Ice
Glenn
God Emperor
Insanious
Ironside
Jarema
johnhughthom
Khazaar
landlubber
Link
Motep
Nictel
Nightbringer
pevergreen
Rebel Jeb
Renata
Romanic
Sasaki Kojiro
Secura
Seon
Skooma Addict
Thefluffyone93
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
YLC

Dead: 8/47
a completely inoffensive name - Professor E. Gadd (IDFH Survivalist)
AntiKingWarmanCake88 - Diddy Kong (IDFH Survivalist)
robbiecon - Trace (GF Survivalist)
Choxorn - GF Mechanic (GF Survivalist)
Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Greyblades - Aurora Unit 242 (GF Survivalist)
TinCow - Corrupted Cloud Strife (Phazon Corruption)
autolycus - GF Quarantine Officer (GF Survivalist)

Reserves:
Kagemusha
Raskolnikov
Greyblades
ArpeggiateTHIS
Choxorn

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Begin Night 2

Night actions please. This phase ends 24 hours from now, approximately 8:00 PM EST.

thefluffyone93

01-03-2011, 01:46

A secret cache of Phazon?
What a treat this would be for the Space Pirates if they found out!

ULC

01-03-2011, 01:50

Maybe I missed something. but where the heck are you getting these allegations?

There is no hard evidence for an investigator, at all. Beskar, randomly trusted, DAY 2, with no evidence as to why he was trusted. There wasn't a proceeding night for Beskar to be investigated, so no way the supposed investigator could have found Beskar to be clean.

The evidence as it stands now points to Beskar being part of a larger organization, which is either Samus or Dark Samus. Samus would have had nothing to gain from publicly announcing TC as an antagonist when they could have done it free of publicity during the night - no one could have contacted TC from the IDFH, which means no people they can magically recruit from without investigating to find out if they can recruit them in the first place.

It's far more likely that Beskar is working with Dark Samus, likely one of the original members, and they simply outed TC early because -

1) TC loses nothing really, he'll still win with Dark Samus and can act as a known and very eloquent mafioso.
2) TC is able to get into contact with IDFH survivalists, getting past the need to investigate them first. Tonight, they will replace TC and be at full strength.
3) Beskar is apparently opposed to TC and may have connections with Samus, meaning hopeful GF survivalists will contact Beskar and then get killed before they are recruited and become more powerful.

It's simple and elegant really, and a wonderful gamble.

Greyblades

01-03-2011, 02:10

Ok allegation: bad word. I meant where the heck did you get that stuff about getting 5+ recruits for getting tincow killed?

ULC

01-03-2011, 02:12

Ok allegation: bad word. I meant where the heck did you get that stuff about getting 5+ recruits for getting tincow killed?

You really think that those saddled with "survivalist", in which if they die, they do not win, will sit there and NOT take a chance at victory regardless of whether or not they die? What about all the people who want to become a mafioso anyway?

Greyblades

01-03-2011, 02:20

Uh, dont the IDFH have the same deal with dark samus?

Motep

01-03-2011, 03:03

Next two weeks are booked somewhat solidly. I dont have the time to devote to the mafia. I relinquish my spot.

Chaotix

01-03-2011, 03:39

The first to sign up as a reserve was Kagemusha, so he gets the first shot at it. After that I go down the list. Dead townie players can PM me if they would like to be on the reserve list; though activity is currently pretty good so I don't know that I'll have to make too many replacements.

classical_hero

01-03-2011, 04:34

Next two weeks are booked somewhat solidly. I dont have the time to devote to the mafia. I relinquish my spot.
Surely you could just be around for a few minutes to get a feel of the game. I know I am going to be in a similar situation where I am extremely busy with work, but thankfully we get a co-worker back from holidays, which will help out greatly. Thankfully today is a public holiday here.

TinCow

01-03-2011, 05:52

Good evening everyone. If you have not communicated with me privately, you can ignore this post.

Agent Bobwingo, please use your ability on 17.

Agent Thrust Masterson, please use your ability on 45.

Agent Tyrannosaurus Flex, please proceed as was discussed earlier.

Agent Krampus McGillicutty, no decision has been made yet. Please do nothing unless you hear from me again.

All other Agents: No orders or information for tonight. Good luck, and try and stay alive. As I promised, none of you will be targeted by the Phazon tonight.

ULC

01-03-2011, 06:16

Askthepizzaguy

01-03-2011, 07:49

Betting Samus and Dark Samus were not in the Tincow wagon at the end.

It was a long shot but still too much to risk.

Choxorn

01-03-2011, 07:49

No orders for me, the great Agent Fluffy McBananaPants? I am insulted!

Nightbringer

01-03-2011, 07:52

can i vote Agent Bobwingo during the day phase? :)

Askthepizzaguy

01-03-2011, 08:03

I'll be agent..... uhm....

Pizza... guy.

My night actions will be delivering fresh hot goodness to people who "didn't even order" pizza, but "conveniently" would be willing to buy it off of me for "half price" wink wink.

Also, no tip. But who's counting?

Nightbringer

01-03-2011, 08:45

Askthepizzaguy

01-03-2011, 08:48

A pizza hut guy always used to come to a hobby shop I went to and sell pizzas that people ordered but then didn't want. You should do that ATPG, they always sold real well, and I think he basically jsut got to keep the money because he was supposed to chuck them.

But those people that just harass you for it, and give no top, ya, they are lame, I vote:those people

Can't; those are to be taken back to the store and donated as per company policy. There is no chucking of pizzas under current management, unless it got dropped on the floor or otherwise contaminated.

I am also on the hook for the price of the pizza if I don't bring it back.

Also; off-topic. back to topic.

Edit: LOL at Regnir.

Cecil XIX

01-03-2011, 23:57

There is no hard evidence for an investigator, at all. Beskar, randomly trusted, DAY 2, with no evidence as to why he was trusted. There wasn't a proceeding night for Beskar to be investigated, so no way the supposed investigator could have found Beskar to be clean.

The evidence as it stands now points to Beskar being part of a larger organization, which is either Samus or Dark Samus. Samus would have had nothing to gain from publicly announcing TC as an antagonist when they could have done it free of publicity during the night - no one could have contacted TC from the IDFH, which means no people they can magically recruit from without investigating to find out if they can recruit them in the first place.

It's far more likely that Beskar is working with Dark Samus, likely one of the original members, and they simply outed TC early because -

1) TC loses nothing really, he'll still win with Dark Samus and can act as a known and very eloquent mafioso.
2) TC is able to get into contact with IDFH survivalists, getting past the need to investigate them first. Tonight, they will replace TC and be at full strength.
3) Beskar is apparently opposed to TC and may have connections with Samus, meaning hopeful GF survivalists will contact Beskar and then get killed before they are recruited and become more powerful.

It's simple and elegant really, and a wonderful gamble.

I agree that this is most likely. The key fact here is that the investigator had only one night, but he somehow knew who both Tincow and Beskar were. The only way this doesn't implicate Beskar as Mafia is if he is actually the investigator himself and got a lucky N1 result. This I find to be unlikely, both because of simple probability and on account of it being a rather obviously poor idea. It's also worth noting that depending on how recruitment mechanics and the number of responses Tincow received, this could still be worthwhile ploy by the Dark Samus faction even if it results in getting two of their members lynched.

Double A

01-03-2011, 23:59

Hey, I have an idea. Maybe the detectives should investigate Beskie.

ULC

01-04-2011, 00:13

Hey, I have an idea. Maybe the detectives should investigate Beskie.

I have a facepalm pic relative to this game but posting it would get me infraction points, so - samusfacepalm.jpg

Choxorn

01-04-2011, 00:35

Alternatively, we can wait until one of the mafia factions inevitably kills Beskar for being Beskar.

Double A

01-04-2011, 00:36

You mean assuming he isn't lynched for the same reason?

Beskar

01-04-2011, 00:55

Town logic:
Person who gets a mafia killed = scum.
Person who tried to counter mafia getting killed = innocent.

Captain Blackadder

01-04-2011, 01:02

Town logic:
Person who gets a mafia killed = scum.
Person who tried to counter mafia getting killed = innocent.

Not really we are just saying it is a fairly large coincidence that the investigator managed to find scum night one and trusted you to reveal this information. Whilst this does not make you scum it does not preclude you from being scum though I would have to say it was a fairly ballsy move if you are scum.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-04-2011, 02:02

Town logic:
Person who gets a mafia killed = scum.
Person who tried to counter mafia getting killed = innocent.

There are two scum teams.

I was wondering if it was secura or somebody who was the mafia and roped beskar in, but it seems beskar really is mafia.

Chaotix

01-04-2011, 02:02

The night phase has ended. Beginning the write-up now.

Chaotix

01-04-2011, 04:17

Night 2

As the crew proceeded to their night-time stations, their minds were full of memories from the previous day. The GF marines and bounty hunters were pleased that they were one step closer to their mission of ridding the GFS Olympus of hostiles like the followers the Dark Hunter. The IDFH warriors were in good spirits as well… though they couldn’t get this mysterious Phazon substance out of their minds. The radioactive glowing blue stuff was capable of bestowing incredible power on those who wielded it, but could also have terrible side effects. And again, tonight, there were some who wandered the deck.

One such wanderer was Rundas, the bounty hunter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nMFLquJeCc).

https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Rundas.png

He was confident in his abilities as a hunter- especially his super-cool ice powers- but also smart enough to keep a plan of safe action. Rundas believed he would be safest if he was on the move. As he proceeded down a corridor, he heard the very distinct sound of heels striking the metal deck behind him.

Quickly he tried to spin around, but he was stopped by two delicate arms thrown over his shoulders.

“Easy there. No need to be cold with me, hunter.”

Slowly the arms turned him around and brought him face to face with his captor. She had beautiful red eyes, and although Rundas did not recognize her face in the darkness, he felt that it was familiar; as if he had seen that face in a picture somewhere. The bounty hunter was quickly entranced.

“Now just relax and feel the warmth of my touch.”

She kissed Rundas, and he felt a tingling sensation where her lips touched his face. She was not just warm; heat spread from her lips to his whole body, beginning to melt the icy armor he was encased in. The magnitude of the heat increased until she was burning hot to the touch, and at this point Rundas realized he was in danger and tore himself away.

He didn’t get far. Furious, his attacker launched twin fireballs at him, and he roared in agony as the flames scorched his skin, used to sub-zero temperatures. With a final blast of flame, Rundas was knocked to the ground. As he burned to death, his last sight would be that mysterious, entrancing face.

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Commander Shepard stood alone in the darkness. She had decided that the corrupted hunters would most likely revisit areas they had previously been to. Believing she was more than a match for either of them with her superior combat skills, she had ventured into the wrecked Medical Bay area, which had been plunged into darkness since it lost power during the attack.

https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/CommanderShepardFem.jpg

Shepard was at a disadvantage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzOBG94bBR8), though, for she didn’t have exceptional night vision, nor did she have a weapon that blended in with the darkness.

The Dark Hunter did.

The Commander was caught completely unaware and blasted off her feet by a missile composed of dark energy. As she got back up, gun at the ready, she saw the armor suit of the Dark Hunter, glowing blue as she menacingly approached Shepard.

https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/DarkSamus.jpg

Shepard fired at her target, but the heavy armor-piercing bullets just bounced off this special armor. The Dark Hunter picked Shepard up with one hand and flung her to the side, where she crashed into a medical table.

The Dark Hunter concentrated and charged up one final blast of dark energy in her arm cannon, unbeknownst to Shepard. When the Commander sprung up, ready for a counterattack, the attack struck her right in the chest, destroying the rest of her life force. The Dark Hunter left, satisfied.

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Tonight, the Hunter headed into the Mess Hall. Inside was a lone GF Trooper; apparently he had got up for a midnight snack.

https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Samus.jpg

The missile (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DCcCBOmOo0) she fired missed narrowly and struck the table he was sitting at, blowing it to bits and launching him against the far wall. The trooper was quick to get up, though, and had his machine gun trained on the fast-moving Hunter almost immediately.

The Hunter began firing blasts of light energy at the Trooper, who somehow managed to dive, roll, and do whatever was necessary to dodge these attacks. As soon as he saw an opening, the GF Trooper returned fire.

Several blasts of Phazon struck the Hunter’s armor, draining at her energy. She was surprised for a moment; then she understood. This was not just any Trooper. The Hunter was dealing with an elite, a GF PED Marine. The Phazon Enhancement Device on his back allowed him to fire ammunition charged with deadly Phazon.

https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/GFPEDMarine.jpg

However, the Hunter was not fazed. She took more care in dodging the Marine’s attacks, and charged a beam of concentrated light energy in her arm cannon. Finally seeing her chance, she jumped in the air and fired the beam, which traveled extremely fast and struck the Marine, simultaneously blinding and incinerating him.

The Hunter left his charred corpse in the stew pot, boiling for tomorrow’s breakfast.

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A small yellow creature with glowing blue eyes scampered through the air duct system, seemingly randomly. However, as it passed one exit, its ears perked up and it stopped. Looking through the metal grating in the ceiling, it saw its target below (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5uumUVKzPs).

https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Noxus.png

Noxus, the Vozon bounty hunter, lay sleeping in bed. Like Rundas, he had a tendency to use frigid weaponry on the job. Unlike Rundas, he was not so much concerned that he would be attacked, and so was not wandering the halls. However, it appeared neither his nor Rundas’s strategies were terribly useful for avoiding trouble.

The small creature kicked out the grating and it landed squarely on Noxus’s face, jolting him awake. He was confused and groggy, and the creature used this to its utmost advantage. The grating having fallen off of Noxus, the creature dropped through the vent opening and landed carefully on Noxus’s head. The perturbed bounty hunter flailed around wildly as he tried to throw off the creature.

“CHUUUUUUUUU!”

The small creature released a powerful current of electricity from its body and into that of Noxus, electrocuting him. It continued to hold the current open until it could no longer sense Noxus’s pulse.

After having placed Noxus into a more permanent sleep, the creature playfully scampered out of the room and through the ship.

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Jill Valentine walked cautiously through the halls, gun at the ready and trying to make as little noise as possible. She was skilled at survival in a situation such as this, but although having been in many extraordinary circumstances, they were never quite like this. Zombies? Yes. Infected, deranged humans? Sure. Intelligent, dangerous, and deadly bounty hunters? Not quite.

https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/JillValentine.jpg

She continued navigating the halls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdebQ-y15Dg), which became darker and darker as she progressed further into the Cargo Bay. Finally, the corridor opened up into a large room, which was lit dimly along the walls. The ceilings were high, however, and she could not see them through the darkness.

Suddenly, she heard a deafening screech, which sounded almost like some sort of animal’s roar. A massive, shadowy figure glided close to the ceiling, from the left to the right. To her right, a huge fireball exploded, throwing her to the ground from the force of it.

Jill, still on the floor, raised her hand to return fire, when suddenly another figure appeared right in front of her. It was a massive, muscled humanoid, with his back to her, holding his arms outstretched as if to stop whatever was lurking in the shadows.

She tried to figure out who this mysterious protector was, but his chiseled figure was reduced to a silhouette as fireballs exploded in front of him, seemingly stopped by some sort of imperceptible force field. The screeching of the creature became more and more frustrated, until eventually the fireballs stopped coming and it seemed to leave. In the blink of an eye, the protector had disappeared as well, without so much as a word.

Jill returned hurriedly to her quarters, shaken by the attack.

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Living: 35/47
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
Beskar
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Cecil XIX
classical_hero
Csargo
dcmort93
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Double A
Frozen in Ice
Glenn
God Emperor
Insanious
Ironside
Jarema
johnhughthom
Khazaar
landlubber
Link
Motep
Nictel
pevergreen
Rebel Jeb
Renata
Romanic
Seon
Skooma Addict
Thefluffyone93
Winston Hughes
woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan

Dead: 12/47
a completely inoffensive name - Professor E. Gadd (IDFH Survivalist)
AntiKingWarmanCake88 - Diddy Kong (IDFH Survivalist)
robbiecon - Trace (GF Survivalist)
Choxorn - GF Mechanic (GF Survivalist)
Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Greyblades - Aurora Unit 242 (GF Survivalist)
TinCow - Corrupted Cloud Strife (Phazon Corruption)
autolycus - GF Quarantine Officer (GF Survivalist)
Sasaki Kojiro - Rundas (GF Survivalist)
Secura - Commander Shepard (IDFH Survivalist)
YLC - GF PED Marine (GF Survivalist)
Nightbringer - Noxus (Hero)

Reserves:
Kagemusha
Raskolnikov
Greyblades
ArpeggiateTHIS
Choxorn

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Begin Day 3

It will last 24 hours and end at roughly 10:30 PM EST tomorrow.

I will try to have updated role PMs soon, but I am very busy right now.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 04:47

This might already be obvious to some people, but "updated" role PMs indicates that people are gaining powers and abilities similar to the Star Wars games.

If you have no powers right now, do not fret and do not tune out and ignore this game. If you survive you will end up being powerful.

Beskar

01-04-2011, 04:50

I would like to thank you, who ever protected me. :bow:

My sincere thanks.

Though Secura is going to be upset. It is pretty obvious her killer was some one trying to get the investigator. =/

ULC

01-04-2011, 04:50

Good Job Samus, you :daisy: I was totally recruitable by you. GO IDFH AND DARK SAMUS. I'd tell you more about how much you screwed yourself, but I'm not in the mood.

Whoever Samus is obviously and totally completely incompetent.

Nightbringer

01-04-2011, 05:03

LAME! Not really, but damn, I was looking forward to this game. Ah well, at least I got myself into MarioKart Madness, which still needs a few people incidentally...

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=414541 :) :0 :)
(hope the promotion is okay)
Good luck all, I hope you nail that stupid little electro crawler. XD

ULC

01-04-2011, 05:05

I officially accuse Winston Hughes of being Samus Aran.

GO TEAM DARK SAMUS.

Csargo

01-04-2011, 05:09

I was going to vote Beskar, but Vote:ATPG instead.

Seon

01-04-2011, 05:14

I was going to vote Beskar, but Vote:ATPG instead.

Why ATPG of all people?

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 05:21

Why ATPG of all people?

That's only going to make it worse, you know. :tongue2: Csargo rarely gives a reason to vote for someone. I directed the lynch away from Tincow before he admitted what he was. It's a bad lead but it is still a lead.

Personally, I'd rather follow up on Flinchy McFlinchenstein, for his spastic response to pressure which was disproportionate for any townie, and him especially.

Vote: Nictel

Sasaki Kojiro

01-04-2011, 05:33

Pizza is scummy. Romanic is scummy. Beskar can wait. YLC is worth following on the winston thing.

Also: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Sasaki Kojiro

01-04-2011, 05:37

Seriously, Nictel? You're slipping.

GO GO WAGON PIZZA!!

Choxorn

01-04-2011, 05:37

That's only going to make it worse, you know. :tongue2: Csargo rarely gives a reason to vote for someone. I directed the lynch away from Tincow before he admitted what he was. It's a bad lead but it is still a lead.

Personally, I'd rather follow up on Flinchy McFlinchenstein, for his spastic response to pressure which was disproportionate for any townie, and him especially.

Vote: Nictel

:nod:

PershsNhpios

01-04-2011, 05:40

Well, I am back from my holiday.

I had a few things to say on the previous day, and I was disapproving of the bandwagon on Nictel, but that's really all irelephant now.
Does anyone have an analysis on the situation yet? Since my ban I've lost touch a bit...
I am going to vote rather than spout suspicion, and that vote will be for the semi-lurking player I suspect most at this point:

Vote: landlubber

I'd also like to say at this stage that I am a basic townie - I will not say which camp because there may be vigilantes in this game, and considering my character I think it very unlikely that I will ever be more than a vote.
The only proof I can offer of that is that I was not removed from the game when banned - due I suspect to my role of little value.

thefluffyone93

01-04-2011, 05:40

Wait, when did the Mass Effect universe become apart of the Council series?
I thought-I AM ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.
Lawl, couldn't help myself, I love Harbinger too much.
Anyways, I guess we can confirm we have either a pichu, pikachu, or a raichu
on board.

Csargo

01-04-2011, 05:42

PershsNhpios

01-04-2011, 05:44

Note: Where is DeathIsYonder and his constant analysis and call for further analysis?

After reading through user post searches, I'm considering removing the vote on landlubber.

thefluffyone93

01-04-2011, 05:46

Well....
Vote: Abstain until I can find I good reason to vote someone, or until someone else does!
Also, I'm scared by that little electric rat......they can see into your soul...

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 05:49

SORRY, for not being a good enough lead for you ATPG :cry:

You'll always be good enough for me, my precious strawberry.

Nictel isn't a good choice imho. That reaction is what I would expect from someone being bandwagoned over TC.

I disagree. I haven't ever seen Nictel react that way, in any game, anywhere, under any circumstances. I think you could lynch him ordinarily without him ever noticing. Especially since he didn't do anything but abstain until pressure was applied. I was already having doubts, which I uttered in-thread, until he exploded like I'd never seen before. He's no ordinary role, and I very sincerely doubt he's a town power role.

Csargo

01-04-2011, 06:00

You'll always be good enough for me, my precious strawberry.

:sweetheart:

I disagree. I haven't ever seen Nictel react that way, in any game, anywhere, under any circumstances. I think you could lynch him ordinarily without him ever noticing. Especially since he didn't do anything but abstain until pressure was applied. I was already having doubts, which I uttered in-thread, until he exploded like I'd never seen before. He's no ordinary role, and I very sincerely doubt he's a town power role.

I bow to your superior knowledge of the man known as Nictel. I am still quite confused by why you chose to go after him though. TC had someone claim to have investigated him.

Reenk Roink

01-04-2011, 06:02

Hmm, I would suggest voting for Beskar this round for the alleged plot with TinCow thingy. Yeah you might hit a detective, but even so, Beskar will get pissed and it will be funny. It seems the most direct thing to do, plus the town can then move on from worrying about him.

I officially accuse Winston Hughes of being Samus Aran.

Why? I really wanted to kill WH though (Chaotix will explain in endgame), so I'm interested by this. Is it more than just rage.

Personally, I'd rather follow up on Flinchy McFlinchenstein, for his spastic response to pressure which was disproportionate for any townie, and him especially.

And later...

I disagree. I haven't ever seen Nictel react that way, in any game, anywhere, under any circumstances. I think you could lynch him ordinarily without him ever noticing. Especially since he didn't do anything but abstain until pressure was applied. I was already having doubts, which I uttered in-thread, until he exploded like I'd never seen before. He's no ordinary role, and I very sincerely doubt he's a town power role.

I didn't think his reaction was much at all. You keep characterizing it in some extreme way, but that seems really odd given the actual content of his posts.

I haven't played with Nictel ever (I think), but basing things on past behavior is a bad strategy because it can be changed and accommodated to, and it usually is. Having an idea of what town behavior is will also usually lead to destruction for much the same reason (unless it is something tied in with the mechanics of the game like killing people at night - and even that can be townie in certain games).

Pizza is scummy. Romanic is scummy. Beskar can wait. YLC is worth following on the winston thing.

Atpg I can actually make a case for by extrapolating the useless predicate you described him by. Romanic? Why can Beskar wait unless there is some 3rd party detective result? And even that might be just another buddy of his.

Well, I am back from my holiday.

I had a few things to say on the previous day, and I was disapproving of the bandwagon on Nictel, but that's really all irelephant now.
Does anyone have an analysis on the situation yet? Since my ban I've lost touch a bit...
I am going to vote rather than spout suspicion, and that vote will be for the semi-lurking player I suspect most at this point:

Vote: landlubber

I'd also like to say at this stage that I am a basic townie - I will not say which camp because there may be vigilantes in this game, and considering my character I think it very unlikely that I will ever be more than a vote.
The only proof I can offer of that is that I was not removed from the game when banned - due I suspect to my role of little value.

I was about to PM every remaining player in the game to kill you had you made one more reference to the Mafia glossary...

Secura

01-04-2011, 06:05

Though Secura is going to be upset.

I think upset is probably an understatement; is it too much to ask to be left alive a bit longer in a large game?

I was actually beginning to get into this game and had crossed my fingers that, for once, I might live to see a large game finish; that hasn't happened since my first large game at the Org (Noblesse Oblige), which was almost a year ago.

What the Dickens do I have to do to actually survive one of these things?

It is pretty obvious her killer was some one trying to get the investigator. =/

You mean that they're metagaming, correct?

Just for the record, so that people know for potential future games; if I had been an investigator, Beskar would have been bottom of the list of people I would have told. When it comes to mafia, I don't trust him fully and wouldn't give him important information without being 100% certain of his innocence; I reserve my complete trust solely for TheFlax, and Pizza to a lesser extent.

Just because Beskar's a close friend doesn't mean that we're in one another's pockets twenty-four-seven; this extends to mafia as much as everything else.

So please, afford me the same respect I show you guys by actually trying to learn how I play rather than believing that I degenerate into "durrr hurrr, I must tellz Beskar everyfin!" everytime that I get my role PM.

Yaropolk

01-04-2011, 06:06

Vote: Link get more active dangnabit

ULC

01-04-2011, 06:09

Why? I really wanted to kill WH though (Chaotix will explain in endgame), so I'm interested by this. Is it more than just rage.

Gut feeling based off of how I died. I was "left in a pot for tomorrow", a rather morbid and unreasonable way to die considering Samus's character. This is someone intentionally interfering with the write up, someone who is full of spite that I ruined their chances as passing off as pro-town. It also indictates someone who has played with me as a mafioso, most likely from the Murder Manor III game. I tend to write in rather morbid and horrific ways of killing people, and since I have been mafia 4 times, 2 times starting as mafia, then they would have had to have played with me to insert such irony.

I say Winston for now simply because of gut feeling, but anyone from Murder Manor III will do.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 06:16

I bow to your superior knowledge of the man known as Nictel. I am still quite confused by why you chose to go after him though. TC had someone claim to have investigated him.

Tincow was lynched and was mafia. He very well might have investigated Nictel; he's now operating on the assumption that his mafia team and his half of the town are going to win and is probably being honest about some things, but twisting the rest to suit his agenda. Anything he says can be considered, but it can't be considered factual. The only thing he can offer that I'll look at is ideas. His facts won't ever be trustworthy.

I am ignoring his input on Nictel for now.

Reenk Roink

01-04-2011, 06:18

Secura

01-04-2011, 06:22

Nightbringer - Noxus (Hero)

What did you guys make of this?

'Hero' could possibly be Samus' faction, thus Pikachu might have vigged a mafiosi successfully.

Reenk Roink

01-04-2011, 06:26

What did you guys make of this?

'Hero' could possibly be Samus' faction, thus Pikachu might have vigged a mafiosi successfully.

I don't think so because if you look at the Hunter writeups which unless I'm completely out of it, is for Team Samus, 'Hunter' is bolded in red.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 06:27

What did you guys make of this?

'Hero' could possibly be Samus' faction, thus Pikachu might have vigged a mafiosi successfully.

Yes; this is a Council of Villains game, the "hero" faction will be mafia and the villains/non-heroes/or in this case, some metroid people and some unrecruited good guys, will be townies, but the "heroes" and the phazon will be mafia.

I think all these games start with the premise reversed; good is mafia and evil is town. However they've been getting less straightforward as time goes on. Here, I believe there are "hero" mafia and "phazon" mafia; the phazon I thought would recruit villains only, but I don't think that theory is good anymore. The heroes should be led by Samus Aran, who is mafia from our perspective and that's why she's killing every night, as is Dark Samus, her rival and also mafia.

Some of these oddball kills feel like vigilantes, or nerfed killers of some kind. They are not our main objectives.

edit: I am still missing pieces, so I think Reenk's theory could also be valid. I am just assuming Samus is "Hero" in spite of the red writing.

ULC

01-04-2011, 06:28

What did you guys make of this?

'Hero' could possibly be Samus' faction, thus Pikachu might have vigged a mafiosi successfully.

I completely agree with this assertion.

pevergreen

01-04-2011, 06:33

Vote: Glenn

Will be incredibly surprised if he is town

Secura

01-04-2011, 06:35

I don't think so because if you look at the Hunter writeups which unless I'm completely out of it, is for Team Samus, 'Hunter' is bolded in red.

I concede that I had my doubts about it too; when I first saw Pikachu in the writeups, I had a feeling that he might've been aligned with Samus himself, given their closeness in Super Smash Bros. Brawl's 'adventure' mode. I'm not certain how these Council games work though, so I rubbished that feeling quite quickly.

Beskar

01-04-2011, 06:44

Hero is the non-survivalist town faction and is not working with Samus nor Dark Samus.

pevergreen

01-04-2011, 06:46

Hero is the non-survivalist town faction and is not working with Samus nor Dark Samus.

How do you know so much?

Sucks you died Secura. :no:

Secura

01-04-2011, 06:46

Hero is the non-survivalist town faction and is not working with Samus nor Dark Samus.

So you're saying that there's actually three town factions?

The IDFH, GF and Hero groups?

Sucks you died Secura. :no:

Indeedy it does, but my frustration aside... I think my character should have been killed on the seventh night phase! ^_~

(hopefully someone gets that xD)

pevergreen

01-04-2011, 06:54

Indeedy it does, but my frustration aside... I think my character should have been killed on the seventh night phase! ^_~

(hopefully someone gets that xD)

I got it!

Chaotix

01-04-2011, 06:55

Gut feeling based off of how I died. I was "left in a pot for tomorrow", a rather morbid and unreasonable way to die considering Samus's character. This is someone intentionally interfering with the write up, someone who is full of spite that I ruined their chances as passing off as pro-town. It also indictates someone who has played with me as a mafioso, most likely from the Murder Manor III game. I tend to write in rather morbid and horrific ways of killing people, and since I have been mafia 4 times, 2 times starting as mafia, then they would have had to have played with me to insert such irony.

I say Winston for now simply because of gut feeling, but anyone from Murder Manor III will do.

NOBODY interferes with MY write-ups! NOOOOOBODY! :clown:

Actually, YLC, when I wrote your death write-up this was my thought process:
-Want wide-open space with possible cover.
-Therefore set in Mess Hall.
-Wouldn't it be funny if I dropped him in a stew pot at the end.

In actuality, if anybody wanted to put things into the write-ups I probably would let them, but it would only be for flavor (pun intended). And I will always be writing them myself and have the final say

I'm usually pretty creative, and though these write-ups take a lot of time to do, it is one of the things I most enjoy about hosting.

So the only useful things you'll find in the write-ups are:
-Obvious, bolded, brightly colored clues.
-Incredibly obscure clues that I intend for noone to get until I reveal them at the end of the game and look smart. :laugh4:

Csargo

01-04-2011, 06:57

Hero is the non-survivalist town faction and is not working with Samus nor Dark Samus.

I thought so but wasn't really sure.

Secura

01-04-2011, 07:10

I got it!

I had a feeling that you would. :D

Anyways, if 'Hero' is a third town faction as Reenk believes (and Beskar inexplicably states) then my theory that Pikachu and Samus could be aligned might hold true after all.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 07:16

I had a feeling that you would. :D

Anyways, if 'Hero' is a third town faction as Reenk believes (and Beskar inexplicably states) then my theory that Pikachu and Samus could be aligned might hold true after all.

I am almost certain Samus is the leader of the second mafia faction, as much as Dark Samus is the leader of the first. Samus is killing every night, in a pattern that doesn't match vigilantism. I will leave room for being incorrect on this, but I believe Samus can recruit certain GF people and make them part of her team. People like YLC, who she killed while not being a vigilante, but a mafia scum.

GF survivalists are Samus recruitment fodder. The symmetry is a bit on the nose, but also makes sense for game balance.

It's possible Samus is mafia and Pikachu/others are in a Hero faction. I may have missed the call on Hero being mafia, but I'm pretty sure Samus is, based on her rivalry with Dark Samus, who is recruitable but not by Dark Samus, and her kill pattern.

Secura

01-04-2011, 07:34

I was suggesting that Pikachu was Samus' scum buddy, and thus a mafiosi rather than a vig-killer... not that either of the two were aligned with the supposed 'Hero' town faction, which my post may have been interpreted as.

Just to clear that up.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 07:46

Re-reading yesterday, this post also struck me as off:

unvote, vote: abstain

At the time was one of 14 voters for Tincow, with Nictel in a close second place thanks to landlubber's attempt at a tie vote. Was a one in 14 chance of dying really that much of a threat for you, Jarema? May I ask what you've been doing with your time at night, since you're not one of the claimed investigators that are crawling all over the place. You obviously have some kind of night action, or you wouldn't have been trying to get the random kill off of your back, and would have instead welcomed such an outcome.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-04-2011, 08:02

Someone exiting the lynch just means they don't want to die (that's why I didn't join), meaning they could very well be town pr. So now you are town pr hunting. Die.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 08:11

Someone exiting the lynch just means they don't want to die (that's why I didn't join), meaning they could very well be town pr. So now you are town pr hunting. Die.

Yeah, if I were going to do that I'd just murder this person, but nice try. Stay dead.

Csargo

01-04-2011, 08:37

Re-reading yesterday, this post also struck me as off:

At the time was one of 14 voters for Tincow, with Nictel in a close second place thanks to landlubber's attempt at a tie vote. Was a one in 14 chance of dying really that much of a threat for you, Jarema? May I ask what you've been doing with your time at night, since you're not one of the claimed investigators that are crawling all over the place. You obviously have some kind of night action, or you wouldn't have been trying to get the random kill off of your back, and would have instead welcomed such an outcome.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132167-Council-of-Villains-A-State-of-Corruption-In-play&p=2053241946&viewfull=1#post2053241946

: /

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 08:38

: /

I saw, but he only unvoted TinCrow (http://www.teleconceptos.com/CWI%20CRAFTS%20CROW%20METAL%20SITTER.jpg). That's different. I would have unvoted TinCrow too.

Winston Hughes

01-04-2011, 09:24

Whoever Samus is obviously and totally completely incompetent.

I officially accuse Winston Hughes of being Samus Aran.

Is the only reason you think I'm Samus that you think Samus is 'obviously and totally completely incompetent'? :cry:

In any case, you're totally completely wrong. I'm not Samus, and I haven't killed anybody.

Beefy187

01-04-2011, 09:27

Vote: Beefy

To avoid being night killed. This incredibly scummy tactic will discourage mafias to kill me, thus buying me more time to do stuff during night phase.
Only problem is that this might get me lynched. So if I am under pressure I am either going to vote for Glenn or join vote for someone who has decent case against them.

ULC

01-04-2011, 09:30

Is the only reason you think I'm Samus that you think Samus is 'obviously and totally completely incompetent'? :cry:

In any case, you're totally completely wrong. I'm not Samus, and I haven't killed anybody.

Whoever Samus is, is incompetent because a scan would have saved her the hassle - a lot of hassle. I accused you of being Samus due to how I died in the write up.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 09:37

Csargo

01-04-2011, 09:50

It makes me sad that no one wants to lynch ATPG. I for one thought it was a great idea. :'(

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 09:52

It makes me sad that no one wants to lynch ATPG. I for one thought it was a great idea. :'(

I'm screwed now. Thanks, Csargo. :laugh4:

Bye folks.

Csargo

01-04-2011, 09:54

Does this mean I win?

Beefy187

01-04-2011, 10:42

Beefy, this will never get you lynched in a million years. That's the only thing that's actually scummy about it.

Excellent. This is better then getting covered by medics. Ultimate armour of WIFOM.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 10:44

Excellent. This is better then getting covered by medics. Ultimate armour of WIFOM.

You do realize that only you could get away with it, and only because we love you so much?

Don't press your luck. :clown:

Secura

01-04-2011, 11:30

Whoever Samus is, is incompetent because a scan would have saved her the hassle

That can apply to Dark Samus in regards to me as well; it's ironic that we were both killed by the very factions that would probably have recruited us if they had just scanned first...

classical_hero

01-04-2011, 12:17

It makes me sad that no one wants to lynch ATPG. I for one thought it was a great idea. :'(
Why do you think it is a good idea?

Ironside

01-04-2011, 12:42

So the only useful things you'll find in the write-ups are:
-Obvious, bolded, brightly colored clues.
-Incredibly obscure clues that I intend for noone to get until I reveal them at the end of the game and look smart. :laugh4:

Judging from your nice colour coding, Beskar was attacked by a vigi. Probably Agent Tyrannosaurus Flex, unless Tincow got creative with the number coding. The choise of metroid music for a RE char is interesting though, not sure what to do with that.

Haven't figured out the colour coding on the victims yet. Looks to be random atm.

TinCow

01-04-2011, 13:02

What the Dickens do I have to do to actually survive one of these things?

You mean that they're metagaming, correct?

...

Just because Beskar's a close friend doesn't mean that we're in one another's pockets twenty-four-seven; this extends to mafia as much as everything else.

So please, afford me the same respect I show you guys by actually trying to learn how I play rather than believing that I degenerate into "durrr hurrr, I must tellz Beskar everyfin!" everytime that I get my role PM.

Since you appear to actually be distressed by this, I will address it. Yes, you were killed due to your personal relationship with Beskar. However, you emphasized the meta aspect of it yourself to support his case against me:

Having seen Beskar discussing this while at his home today (Happy New Year to you all, by the way), I can vouch for how serious he was about this accusation and how strongly he trusted his source.

Don't play the meta card and then complain when it is used against you. The above to me looked very strongly like you talking about yourself in the third person. Thus, you became a target.

TinCow

01-04-2011, 13:10

The choise of metroid music for a RE char is interesting though, not sure what to do with that.

All mafioso have cover roles. All cover roles have a physical resemblance to the true character role. Who does an action-oriented human female resemble when you play Metroid music in the background?

Diamondeye

01-04-2011, 13:31

Seriously, Nictel? You're slipping.

GO GO WAGON PIZZA!!

Reluctantly agreeing with Sasaki and Csargo. Vote: ATPG.

I got it!

I didn't? :cry:

All mafioso have cover roles. All cover roles have a physical resemblance to the true character role. Who does an action-oriented human female resemble when you play Metroid music in the background?

... Samus?

Ironside

01-04-2011, 13:56

All mafioso have cover roles. All cover roles have a physical resemblance to the true character role. Who does an action-oriented human female resemble when you play Metroid music in the background?

I've considered that idea. The thing is that Jill Valentine is IDFH... And Samus pulling that on day one is stupidly risky. I think it refers to the defender, but I'm not sure.

Edit: The most bizzare one would be Dark Samus and interestingly enough, not impossible. Very unlikely, but not impossible. Beskar's hand was more pulled by the investigator than by his own choise in the scenario he has given.

Link

01-04-2011, 14:28

Vote: Link get more active dangnabit
I will. Anyway, I wish I had more time right now to read the thread more carefully, but Vote: Nictel will have to do for now.
Incidentally folks, it would be wonderful if you could click that link in my sig. I'm having a terrible time getting signups.

Renata

01-04-2011, 14:55

I'm sorry, Link -- I got your PM but I'm already in three or four games.

vote: Beefy, because those posts read more like he's trying to WIFOM the town than the mafia.

Khazaar

01-04-2011, 15:00

Vote: Csargo a reason would be nice

Death is yonder

01-04-2011, 15:01

Note: Where is DeathIsYonder and his constant analysis and call for further analysis?

After reading through user post searches, I'm considering removing the vote on landlubber.

Well for starters I'm in a time zone wayy different from yours, and I'm now only around shortly per day now that my holiday is shorter.

And I didn't have anything that wasn't already said to offer about Tincow's lynch and its resulting events by the time I was online, therefore there wasn't any posts.

In any case, I know little about the game universe, but I'd venture to say that 3 town factions is rather unlikely, if at all, perhaps 2 town factions, 2 mafia factions and one other extra? (Hero)

I guess it'll be made clearer once more alignments are revealed post death.

No idea on who to vote though, Nictel doesn't seem to be a great lynch, and beefy is being, well, beefy-ish in some odd plan to somehow save the world (vaguely recalls Beefy's crazy scheme in ABZF).

Vote: Abstain

Sasaki Kojiro

01-04-2011, 15:51

I'm sorry, Link -- I got your PM but I'm already in three or four games.

vote: Beefy, because those posts read more like he's trying to WIFOM the town than the mafia.

fos:Renata I expect better.

Vote: Csargo a reason would be nice

SBG.LJGXAO,JGXAESNJGK

There is obviously an argument being made on pizza. Many people vote without a reason, it's fine. And your reasoning is extremely minimal. This post will be noted for later.

Since you appear to actually be distressed by this, I will address it. Yes, you were killed due to your personal relationship with Beskar. However, you emphasized the meta aspect of it yourself to support his case against me:

Don't play the meta card and then complain when it is used against you. The above to me looked very strongly like you talking about yourself in the third person. Thus, you became a target.

If TinCow's mafia was trying to eliminate beskar he is most likely innocent. Opposing mafia are better left to be lynched.

I saw, but he only unvoted TinCrow. That's different. I would have unvoted TinCrow too.

I'm screwed now. Thanks, Csargo. :laugh4:

Bye folks.

Classic pizza-scu, attempt at a flippant response to an important point about his crappy case.

Votes on pizza please.

Jarema

01-04-2011, 16:23

There is sooo much text here... I skimmed throug it but I do not see any strong case here. Could someone summarize to me if there is any such case for now?

Csargo

01-04-2011, 16:23

Vote: Csargo a reason would be nice

My reason is there maybe not in the post I voted in, but it is there.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-04-2011, 16:25

There is sooo much text here... I skimmed throug it but I do not see any strong case here. Could someone summarize to me if there is any such case for now?

Just vote Pizza.

pevergreen

01-04-2011, 16:34

Can't resist Sasaki's womenly charms.

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

God Emperor

01-04-2011, 17:04

Vote: Glenn

Will be incredibly surprised if he is town

Can't resist Sasaki's womenly charms.

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

What happened to your theory about Glenn ? If you would be so incredibly surprised if Glenn was proven town, then isn't a bit quickly you decide voting ATPG ? Vote: pevergreen

Personally I don't feel the ATPG case all that much.. and not enough to vote for him. I can understand he reacts on Nictel's respons and well.. the case on ATPG is that he is too eager to get Nictel lynched basically?

Beskar

01-04-2011, 17:06

Vote: ATPG

Because he said something in private which only TinCow has said a few hours later. I messaged you back Pizza, asking for clarification, but it just looks scummy as if you two are sharing a quicktopic or similar.

DELETE_THIS

01-04-2011, 17:36

Pizza I am kind of disappointed you would think I would still overreact as mafia, I've learned that lesson. Perhaps you haven't seen that reaction before, because I have never had such a big bandwagon for no apparent reason on me other than that it was the second day of the new year. That said, your fixation with me seems, well unhealthy really. To be honest, you're kind of behaving like you did in the second part of the Zelda game. Which isn't in your benefit. Vote: ATPG

new powers? Perhaps we'll get some more scanner. Or did the scanner who scanned tinCow scan anyone else? Like myself?

pevergreen

01-04-2011, 17:43

What happened to your theory about Glenn ? If you would be so incredibly surprised if Glenn was proven town, then isn't a bit quickly you decide voting ATPG ? Vote: pevergreen

Because I've been voting Glenn non-stop and no one else is going for the lynch, so I may as well make my vote count.

classical_hero

01-04-2011, 18:00

My gut was saying Glenn from the first night, so I am going to go with that. vote:Glenn He needs some explaining to do. Why would you defend a proven scum like that?

Renata

01-04-2011, 18:04

Beskar -- Which Night One attack was TinCow? Explanation please. Also on the thing you said about ATPG.

Night One, four kills. Samus, Dark Samus, blue-eyed small creature killing with electricity, shadowy figure with red eyes killing with chill. (Also Grayblades was apparently roleblocked.)
Day Two TinCow dies, is Corrupted Cloud Strife, Phazon corruption.
Night Two, four kills, one failed attack. Samus, Dark Samus, blue-eyed small creature killing with electricity, woman with red eyes killing with a fireball, massive shadowy creature attacking protected Beskar.

Cecil XIX

01-04-2011, 18:24

vote: Glenn. Defending known scum, and ATPG's bandwagon is too big.

Renata

01-04-2011, 18:30

Never mind my last post, I was remembering it the wrong way around.

Jarema

01-04-2011, 18:34

vote: glenn

ByzantineKnight

01-04-2011, 19:00

Just vote Pizza.

...must...obey.......AARGH! Vote: Pizza

phew, thats better :)

Unvote; Vote Jarema

Yaropolk

01-04-2011, 19:18

Anyone have a tally?

Secura

01-04-2011, 19:36

The above to me looked very strongly like you talking about yourself in the third person.

The rest of the post aside, I can't really see how you jumped to this train of thought.

Beskar's source was obviously cautious about revealing their results publicly so used him as a proxy instead; so why would they then start coming out and supporting his evidence and try to turn people onto your lynch even when the proxy himself wasn't doing so, as I had done?

When I get a good role like that, I'm not foolish enough to make any of the mistakes you guys seem to think I made and killed me for; I would have laid low after imparting Beskar with my evidence, allowing him to take the flak.

The real source probably did the exact same.

TC: I'm not annoyed that I was killed, because that's my job as a vanilla townie, but I am for the reason chosen.

Since you're supposed to be the mafia side that I'd have ended up aligned with, if this game does boil down to a mafia faction victory, I hope that you show a little more of your usual trademark analytical nous before leaping into something next time.

Yesterday's spared townie might well be tomorrow's next recruit.

Best of luck. :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 19:53

The second part of the Zelda game, where I personally took down about half of the cult team and also wiped out the mafia team single-handedly? It was your own fault for allowing two claimed Lovers to exist until the end, seriously. I was acting pro-town then, far more pro-town than anyone else, and kicking serious butt.

Whichever. I knew that attempting to vote for people who deserved it would get me votes. I also knew actively attempting to destroy mafioso in this mafia-tilted game would be a bad idea. Better would have been to employ Beefy's strategy which is to sit down and shut up and hope you don't get murdered and that you get recruited.

Go ahead folks, lynch me. You deserve it.

Beskar

01-04-2011, 20:30

Apparently, Pizza isn't the mafia we are looking for. I will be honest Pizza, I am still wary of you, but the investigator said you are a town (at least for the moment anyway). But it is pointless to kill a townie, which is zero percent of hitting a mafia, while killing some one else randomly has a higher chance.

Unvote: Vote: Glenn

because you was brown nosing TinCow so much, you can no longer pass through a metal detector. Also, don't do the "I didn't know", because Arpeg pulled that in another game and guess what? he was the mafia's partner.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-04-2011, 20:45

Glenn was the person run up to lynch as the first alternate to tincow.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 20:52

Just vote Pizza.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/SP/nike-logo2.gif

Just do it.

I can already sense this game is going to be nothing but waiting for investigation results, and then following them. Just kill me now.

Frozen In Ice

01-04-2011, 21:15

I'm not seeing the lynch on ATPG. Yeah, he applied pressure to someone other than the scanned mafia, but I think this is a good thing. Instead I will vote: Glenn as per the reasons stated yeasterday.

Diamondeye

01-04-2011, 21:21

unvote, vote: Yaropolk

Frozen In Ice

01-04-2011, 21:27

Tally:
5 Glenn (classical hero, Cecil XIX, Jarema, Beskar, Frozen In Ice)
3 ATPG (Csargo, pever, ATPG)
2 Beefy (Beefy, Renata)
2 Nictel (ATPG, Nictel)
1 Landlubber (Glenn,
1 Link (Yaropolk,
1 Csargo (Khazzar)
1 pevergreen (God Emperor)
1 Jarema (ByzantineKnight)
1 Yaropolk (Diamondeye)
Abstain (TheFluffyOne, Death is Yonder)

Sasaki Kojiro

01-04-2011, 21:36

Time to collect and post a vote count, no time to summarize reasons. Frozen is probably scum.

Glenn was the counterwagon that sprung up to save tincow--I hope this doesn't need explaining. Included this gem from woad&fangs:

unvote: insanious; vote: Glenn The case on TinCow seems week and Glenn seems to be trying too hard. I can't remember if that is normal for him or not.

Who could also be scum.

Aha, frozens "already stated reasons" are bad like expected:

Vote: Glenn Your last post doesn't sit right with me. Not the part that classical_hero qouted above, that was actually very helpful, but the rest of it. You seem to be trying very hard to appear as a helpful townie, and that "possible Motep-Romanic" link is part of it. It seems like a very fragile connection to base suspicions off of and to me it comes off as trying really hard to appear townie. Not to mention you said you already trusted Double A on day 1, that also seemed off.

Diamondeye

01-04-2011, 21:44

I see no reason not to help Sasaki follow up on this. unvote and vote:Frozen

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 22:00

I see no reason not to help Sasaki follow up on this. unvote and vote:Frozen

unvote, vote: Diamondeye

Time to start thinking for yourself, man. Using the dead townie's accusations as an excuse to place your vote has been done before, and although townies do it, you can bet that in each one of those wagons, you will find one scumbag.

You're better than to be a reflexive follower.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-04-2011, 22:05

ahahaha, and how about nictel now?

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 22:18

ahahaha, and how about nictel now?

I already got word through the grapevine of what he is. I am less concerned about him presently.

And I'm not feeling it on Diamondeye either. The hunt continues.

Unvote

Looking for new suspects.

thefluffyone93

01-04-2011, 22:23

Unvote
Vote:Ironside for some variety in the voting.

Askthepizzaguy

01-04-2011, 22:38

vote: glenn

Follow-through on previous suspicion. You ducked Tincow's overdrive for a reason, and I want to know why.

vote: Jarema

Diamondeye

01-04-2011, 22:40

Unvote
Vote:Ironside for some variety in the voting.

:stare: Variety? This is not an ice-cream dessert.

Sasaki Kojiro

01-04-2011, 22:42

unvote, vote:Frozen

Let's lynch frozen, pizza will at least hunt for the other mafia.

thefluffyone93

01-04-2011, 22:45

Follow-through on previous suspicion. You ducked Tincow's overdrive for a reason, and I want to know why.

Previous suspicion?
All I see is people bickering and giving little information to convince me.
I will stay with this vote until I read some information that I, not someone else, deems as valid.