[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Maybe it's just me but if I stole a Plasma Cannon from Beskar, I would have kept my mouth shut about it and gone PEW PEW PEW on Pizza or Beskar tonight. :laugh4:

You'd have to ask the defender to stop defending Beskar first, for the record.

[Romanic]

You'd have to ask the defender to stop defending Beskar first, for the record.

A minor technicality. The end result isn't as important as the satisfaction of firing the big gun at the enemy.

[Winston Hughes]

I could have just killed you without asking questions.

Except you would have had to explain a dead townie to the mob tomorrow.


As it stands, you're admitting that you're recruitable, have the power to copy abilities, and have a killing power, and that's if I take you at face value.

And the penny begins to drop...


But I'd be willing to put off such a death if you'd be willing to... be inactive.

Nah. The only reason for me to live is so I can use my ability to learn something about someone else tonight (I already have a target).

[Beskar]

I don't know of any ability called Plasma cannon. :shrug:

[Winston Hughes]

You'd have to ask the defender to stop defending Beskar first, for the record.

I could try to kill you.

But, oh, you know which defence to use. :idea2:

[Winston Hughes]

I don't know of any ability called Plasma cannon. :shrug:

Another lie.

[Beskar]

Another lie.

No it isn't. I can prove it, but it would be against the rules.

Only liar here is you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nah. The only reason for me to live is so I can use my ability to learn something about someone else tonight (I already have a target).

Cool. So when I explain the dead townie tomorrow, I'll point out that you weren't willing to clear yourself of being Samus.

Which, by the way, you sound an awful lot like; see the ability you describe is EXACTLY what the description for "fire strike" is. I have "fire strike"

I also know of someone else who has "fire strike" and it matches exactly.

But for you, it's called "Plasma cannon". Why is that?

http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Plasma_Beam

The icon you're talking about appears in this article.


Now, if you're telling the truth in all this, and your character doesn't match a Samus-like character such as a Metroid bounty hunter-type, then there is no reason for the name change.

That would also mean that Beskar is likely Samus. I'm willing to find out one way or the other.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm willing to find out one way or the other.

:laugh4: You know I'm innocent now. You're just hoping they'll lynch Beskar before you.

[Romanic]

You know someone else who has a killing ability? :sweatdrop:

And I suppose you will tell us this person is Town.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ack, how would winston be able to describe the icon but get the name wrong?

[Beskar]

Ack, how would winston be able to describe the icon but get the name wrong?

Because he is lying and attempting to frame me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Because he is lying and attempting to frame me.

How we he be able to, not why would he want to.

[Winston Hughes]

Ack, how would winston be able to describe the icon but get the name wrong?

Because there is more than one Fire-Based weapon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because there is more than one Fire-Based weapon.

Are you suggesting that Plasma Cannon is like... tier II version of Fire Strike?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah, that matches with you saying it's an ability that hasn't been used so far.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, that matches with you saying it's an ability that hasn't been used so far.

That's the part that's a lie. I think I'm going to reveal now. Hang on a second.

[Secura]

On night two I used my Metamorph ability on Beskar, and gained the Plasma Cannon ability, which kills with a Fire-Based attack.

Given the context of the game and the wide array of characters we've seen, I've come to the conclusion that Winston is telling the truth about his Metamorph ability and that he is probably Kirby or Ditto.

Neither of those characters fit the description of Sasaki's killer on Night Two, who was of similar height to Rundas and able to look at him with "beautiful red eyes" and kiss him passionately before vapourising him with fire-based attacks.

Sure, there's cover roles, but have we seen a cover role yet that doesn't correlate with the character that it's masking? Just look at Ridley's cover, another draconic character, or Cloud's, which was essentially a brown-haired mirror image. Who would be a cover for Kirby/Ditto?

Winston claimed to have stolen the Plasma Cannon ability on the same night Sasaki died, meaning that he is affirming that he was actively doing something else rather than being the murderer; this claim doesn't clear him in the eyes of the living town, but should it really be acted upon so impulsively by the vigs/serial killers?

I believe you should refrain from killing Winston for now; scan him first, as his ability could be extremely useful if he is town and it's not something that we want to lose so easily.

Should you learn nothing constructive, consider killing him then; just give him a little time.


I'll eat my pizza hut hat if I am wrong.

On any occasion where you hedge your bets like so, I will pop up and remind you about this statement... :P

[Winston Hughes]

Are you suggesting that Plasma Cannon is like... tier II version of Fire Strike?

What?

[Romanic]

JGHBKL KHFYGFSHAKSFYJHAVD UDIASI (a la Sasaki!)

EXCUSE ME! Did the vilainous dragon say he knew someone else with the Fire Strike ability? I want to hear more about this!

[Winston Hughes]

Yeah, that matches with you saying it's an ability that hasn't been used so far.

I never said that. It was one of Beskar's fabrications. All I said was that I didn't know if he'd killed anyone.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

JGHBKL KHFYGFSHAKSFYJHAVD UDIASI (a la Sasaki!)


Except mine look less cool because I use dvorak. ASEOTNSUHOETHUASOE. So smooth and placid, no spiky rage :(


I never said that. It was one of Beskar's fabrications. All I said was that I didn't know if he'd killed anyone.

Ah, and pizza is writing a big post about how it's a lie. :laugh4:

[Beskar]

I never said that. It was one of Beskar's fabrications. All I said was that I didn't know if he'd killed anyone.

There Winston goes again, spinning his web of lies.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There Winston goes again, spinning his web of lies.

You really don't sound credible here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132332-Council-of-Villains-A-State-of-Corruption-Information-Thread&p=2053241436&viewfull=1#post2053241436

Night one, shadowy figure with Red eyes (bolded) attacks and kills Pit AKA Reenk Roink.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132332-Council-of-Villains-A-State-of-Corruption-Information-Thread&p=2053242319&viewfull=1#post2053242319

Night two, figure with delicate arms and Red eyes (bolded) attacks and kills Rundas, AKA Sasaki Kojiro.


Beskar has claimed credit for both attacks, and although the attacks are different, he also claims he has both ice and fire strike.

Notice the description of the attacker matches in both cases, and that the figure is described as delicate and feminine, with red eyes.

There is no plasma "cannon" being used here. But it is believable that someone with "fire strike" who is who Beskar claims to be would attack with "fireballs" as I have also attacked with "fireballs" with "fire strike".

Finally, this shows that Beskar was elsewhere during all of the Samus kills. It also shows he has a cover role.

Beskar is NOT Samus. What he is, is Princess Peach. What alignment he is, he claims to be Hero, but I have doubts.




Now, I still have some doubts that Winston stole "plasma cannon" from Beskar. That's why Beskar called bull, because although the accusation was close, it was also off; off enough to sound like a lie, so he asked for the goods, and Winston stalled. Beskar's ability does not sound at all like "plasma cannon". Why the name would change in Winston's hands, is unknown.

I'm not sure exactly what is going on. But, there is enough to cast doubt on Winston. Beskar is another story.

I know for sure he's not Samus. The proof is in the write-ups.

My theories on him are twofold:

1. He's Samus' accomplice; Samus' "hunter" word is also in Bold Red. However, only Beskar's character talks, and in bold Red.
2. He's something else he claimed to be, which has a reason for a cover role. Peach/Jill Valentine being third party would explain a lot.


If Winston is mafia, I believe that he's gunning for Beskar pretty hard because of "Mafia Fratricide" as Tincow put it. He believes Beskar is mafia, very much so.

I tend to think that Winston is either mafia himself, or he's going to be mafia via recruitment; I find it hard to believe he's Samus if Samus is in the writeups killing. He could be Samus' accomplice, but that means Beskar is innocent, because Beskar could only be Samus' accomplice. He cannot be Pikachu or any other visible non-Samus accomplice and his color is all wrong.

So, if Winston flips Samus mafia, Beskar is innocent.
If Winston flips Dark Samus mafia, Beskar is either third party or Samus mafia.
If Winston flips innocent, he was indeed recruitable and an eventual threat, but the real threat is elsewhere.

Beskar is not Samus. I do believe his protection at night should be removed, and for now, given to Seon.

You decide what you want to do with this information.

I believe we can gain a lot of information by killing, or investigating, mister Winston. But he doesn't want to cooperate, even when he might be able to help us. I am skeptical he's REALLY town, but man, if he would just stop being such a stubborn sam, we could get some **** done.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ah, and pizza is writing a big post about how it's a lie. :laugh4:

No, I'm revealing tons of juicy info that you will indeed find useful.

There is still reason to suspect Winston, because of what's been happening. But I, for one, would be willing to let Winston live to test him out. If only he would GO INACTIVE LIKE I ASKED.


EXCUSE ME! Did the vilainous dragon say he knew someone else with the Fire Strike ability? I want to hear more about this!

Done and done. :bow:

[TinCow]

Did you seriously just claim that the red eye killer is pro-town?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did you seriously just claim that the red eye killer is pro-town?

Nah, third party probably, but given how Beskar is squirming under pressure, I admit there's a very real possibility he's Samus-ALIGNED.

In fact, if Beskar does not tell me who his partner is, I'm going to suggest that's what he is.

But I am still trying to wrench workable information out of Winston. I have all the time in the world to take one suspect and hammer it against another suspect. There will be blood, and it will likely be mafia blood.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You're saying he killed reenk and me? WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.

DEAD. NOW.

VQJMBKVQMBVQWMB;VQWMJBK

[Romanic]

LOL Beskar killed Sasaki!!!!!!

What a day! ahhahahahaha

[TinCow]

ATPG, you are awesome. I love that you just outed Beskar as a dead-to-right mafioso, and claim to be doing it in defense of him.

Chaotix, this may end up being a short game, but it may well be the most drama-dense game in Org history. Well done. :bow:

[Secura]

Why target Reenk and Sasaki, though?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh also, if Beskar is not mafia, he's definitely got to stop killing. So hows about not killing anyone tonight Beskar, lest you die tomorrow?

Eh?

If you kill anyone tonight, my sweet little peach, I will be voting for you tomorrow. PROVE that you're actually third party, and don't kill another innocent.

Meanwhile, protector needs to leave Beskar alone and cover Seon, he's the only one in the game I find credible at the moment. I would be tempted to say protect Winston, but I got a funny kinda feeling he's still not being honest somewhere.

[TinCow]

Oh also, if Beskar is not mafia, he's definitely got to stop killing. So hows about not killing anyone tonight Beskar, lest you die tomorrow?

Eh?

If you kill anyone tonight, my sweet little peach, I will be voting for you tomorrow. PROVE that you're actually third party, and don't kill another innocent.

Meanwhile, protector needs to leave Beskar alone and cover Seon, he's the only one in the game I find credible at the moment. I would be tempted to say protect Winston, but I got a funny kinda feeling he's still not being honest somewhere.

ATPG, you really haven't thought this through very well. You seem to be forgetting that Beskar was 'trusted' by a person with the mafia X-Ray Visor ability without being investigated. Still want to advocate he's a third party?

[Secura]

The living townies need to get a better grasp of the game and work together here, get some coordination together or something.

Just because many of the more vocal and headstrong players are dropping like flies doesn't mean that you should default to popping up to agree with a dead player's suggestion and vote accordingly before vanishing entirely.

You're essentially being directed by dead players, a serial killer and a 'third party'; the town isn't going to win that way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

VQJMBKVQMBVQWMB;VQWMJBK

Indeed.

Well, I'm talking about it because I developed a useful axiom in another game.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8421545#post8421545


Vote for one suspect, question another. That's better than pressuring only one candidate

Pressuring Beskar is fine and dandy. I've been discussing and sharing info, and putting the pressure on people; I know that Beskar is not Dark Samus mafia, so he is useful inasmuch as he will be trying to destroy said mafia.

But at the same time, Tincow's accusation regarding X-ray vision seemed valid to me. I never once trusted Beskar's investigator; no one should be that powerful this early.

I've been saying all along that Beskar's investigator friend is likely scum. he's no basic townie. Tincow's been saying it too, but from my perspective, it's probably valid.

Since I couldn't get Beskar to rat out who this investigator was, I've had to do my own investigating; and players like Seon and others who have been cooperative have been invaluable. The investigation result on Tincow was also invaluable, but in the back of my mind I realize that Beskar probably has a mafia contact or is third party.

If he is indeed third party, I need to know who his investigator is, or his story is a lie. I CANNOT be corrupted and I will die soon anyway, and I'm only interested in finding Samus.

If he's not third party, he's Samus mafia and won't give up his investigator because his investigator is in fact Samus mafia. So he's a threat to me and everyone else for not being honest.

The only, only thing that can clear Beskar of being Samus mafia, is by me knowing who his big badass investigator friend is.

If he's Samus mafia, that's game-ending for him. He can't reveal it. If he does, town is VERY close to winning.

If he's not Samus mafia, this is the move he has to make to survive.

Sorry to nail you to the wall like this Beskar, but you're not in a position to negotiate. Give me the goods. Goods or GTheckO.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're essentially being directed by dead players, a serial killer and a 'third party'; the town isn't going to win that way.

Oh I think they will. I think we've done enough already to get the ball rolling in that direction.

I'm less and less thinking third party. Beskar has less than 30 minutes to give me his answer, or I'm not gunning for Winston anymore, I'll be gunning for Beskar.

Protection off Beskar, now.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:guitarist: :guitarist: :guitarist: :guitarist: :guitarist:

[TinCow]

I'm only interested in finding Samus.

And this made-up victory condition is why you have backed yourself into a corner defending him. He IS Samus, and your entire role claim goes up in smoke the moment he dies, so you must prevent that at all costs.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And this made-up victory condition is why you have backed yourself into a corner defending him. He IS Samus, and your entire role claim goes up in smoke the moment he dies, so you must prevent that at all costs.

Oh really?

Good. When I die, victory conditions complete, then I will lol at you while you pick up your jaw from the floor.

But we know what happens next, don't we?

Mass kill on Ridley.

I said it before, and I'll say it again. Defeat never felt sooooo good.

[TinCow]

Oh really?

Good. When I die, victory conditions complete, then I will lol at you while you pick up your jaw from the floor.

But we know what happens next, don't we?

Mass kill on Ridley.

I said it before, and I'll say it again. Defeat never felt sooooo good.

Uh, if you die with your victory conditions complete, how is it a defeat?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Uh, if you die with your victory conditions complete, how is it a defeat?

I will die before that happens, I think.

As it stands, I think I have to kill Winston, while town lynches Beskar; or kill Beskar while town lynches Winston.

But, I will have all my defenses removed tonight, I think. The mafia has enough attacks to make that happen, if they work together.

I won't be able to win the game unless I personally kill Samus tomorrow; so it's not going to happen.

But the only thing preventing it from happening is a mass kill from the mafia team. If you guys don't all target me, I am going to win with the town.

Tick tock.


@all-

I just switched my kill to Beskar. I have to go to work. You want Beskar alive, keep protecting him.

Winston.... I still think you're scum. But if you're willing to go inactive while someone scans you, so I can prove you're not a mafia recruit, it's all good.

:bow: I'm outies. Later fellas. Enjoy the game, I know I have.

[Beskar]

And this made-up victory condition is why you have backed yourself into a corner defending him. He IS Samus, and your entire role claim goes up in smoke the moment he dies, so you must prevent that at all costs.

Incorrect.

I am actually a third party, I am Princess Peach, in a alignment similar to the last Council of Villians game when I was Waluigi. I have my conditions which include getting rid of the anti-town, there was no issue with the town which is why I have never harmed any pro-town roles whilst knowing them. There are seven that revealed to me, none of them have been hit at night by us when I can have easily done this.

Even though Winston Hughes is the whole ability situation up (I have no plasma cannon), it was an pathetic attempt by Dark Samus team for revenge. Which was as clear as yellow snow, however it seems Pizza decided to backstab me and give up his chance at victory.

If the town wants to declare war, I will arrange the systematic killing of pro-town roles with my partner, in preemptive strike in the interest of self-defense.

The choice is entirely yours.

Have a powerful ally who can win with the town against the mafia, or doom yourselves in your haste for believing mafia tripe.




Oh, as for Sasaki, he was killed because he was revealed by TinCow and TinCow is the sort to reveal his mafia partner as a town. Reenk was killed for claiming to be a 'awesome role' and was trying to form a voting block which acts independently of the town, hence killed for being suspected scum.

[Romanic]

Wow Beskar is now threatening the Town.

Load the gun Winston!!!!!

[Beskar]

Wow Beskar is now threatening the Town.

Load the gun Winston!!!!!

The imaginary one?

[Romanic]

The imaginary one?

lol maybe. I can't figure if that part of the story is true.

So who's your partner? Super Mario? :grin3:

[Beskar]

lol maybe. I can't figure if that part of the story is true.

So who's your partner? Super Mario? :grin3:

No, Bowser.

I'm the nice one. You don't want to upset the consort of the Lord of the Koopa Troops now, do you?

We could have played against the town, but we were working with the town as our victory conditions didn't conflict.

[Secura]

Reenk was killed for claiming to be a 'awesome role' and was trying to form a voting block which acts independently of the town, hence killed for being suspected scum.

You cannot use that as a reason for having killed Reenk, because you didn't come to learn about the voting block until the second day phase.

[Beskar]

You cannot use that as a reason for having killed Reenk, because you didn't come to learn about the voting block until the second day phase.

False, I knew about it in advance. Hence the "some one contacted me" and I went "Reenk?" and you started spluttering about.

[Romanic]

I didn't hear about this voting block. Wanna share the story?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We could have played against the town, but we were working with the town as our victory conditions didn't conflict.


Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Sasaki Kojiro - Rundas (GF Survivalist)

Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Sasaki Kojiro - Rundas (GF Survivalist)

Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Sasaki Kojiro - Rundas (GF Survivalist)

Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Sasaki Kojiro - Rundas (GF Survivalist)

Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Sasaki Kojiro - Rundas (GF Survivalist)

Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Sasaki Kojiro - Rundas (GF Survivalist)

Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Sasaki Kojiro - Rundas (GF Survivalist)

Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Sasaki Kojiro - Rundas (GF Survivalist)

:elephant::elephant::elephant:

[Secura]

@ Beskar

I have a question; do you remember what I told you that TinCow had said about the voting block?

[Beskar]

:elephant::elephant::elephant:

Not really. Since my reasons were justified.

[Greyblades]

Given the context of the game and the wide array of characters we've seen, I've come to the conclusion that Winston is telling the truth about his Metamorph ability and that he is probably Kirby or Ditto.


Yeah... except we kinda killed kirby in the first game and somehow I doubt ditto is important enough to get into these games.

[Beskar]

@ Beskar

I have a question; do you remember what I told you that TinCow had said about the voting block?

No, you didn't say anything other than TinCow being in this voting block as well, as you thought he might have been responsible for Reenk's death. TinCow was also scanned anyway as he was even refusing to co-operate preferring to be more 'individual', which looked scummy, especially as he was the only one.

You also cannot talk about private communications when dead, so you are rule breaking.


edit:
Long story short, I am Star Wolf and Winston Hughes is Pinman, the mafia trying to get rid of me. You can either have me around as I did in that game, dealing with the mafia (which thanks to the Star Wolf team, the town won), or you can follow the constructed mafia tripe from Winston and lose a powerful ally.

[TinCow]

I got scanned because of that silly Reenk thing? Yeesh, I wouldn't have gone along with that even if I was town. I don't like being told how to vote.

[Beskar]

I got scanned because of that silly Reenk thing? Yeesh, I wouldn't have gone along with that even if I was town. I don't like being told how to vote.

Yes, that is why you was scanned.

Is everything I am saying making sense to you now?

[Secura]

You also cannot talk about private communications when dead, so you are rule breaking.

I'm forbidden from revealing information that isn't already public knowledge; however, since you told everyone about the existence of a voting block, information that was otherwise unknown by the town, it gives me some scope to comment on it as it's now public knowledge.

That scope is limited, yeah, but you can bet I'll run with it.


I got scanned because of that silly Reenk thing?

I do not believe this to be the case at all, and I'm surprised you do; you're not thinking about this in the right manner.

[TinCow]

Is everything I am saying making sense to you now?

Well, sure, in that now I understand why this entire game has progressed the way that it has. It's a rather stupifyingly unlikely Rube Goldberg-series of events that started with Reenk's attempt to entertain himself, and has so far resulted in the deaths of two mafioso and the pending deaths of another mafioso and a serial killer. The question I now have is just how far this domino effect will go; will all of the scum be wiped out because of Reenk's Reenkishness?

It's really rather remarkable when you think about it.

[TinCow]

I do not believe this to be the case at all, and I'm surprised you do; you're not thinking about this in the right manner.

Oh, just let me believe it. It's far more entertaining to think that Reenk has single-handedly caused the deaths of all of the scum in this game. He is Legend.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This game is awesome.

[Secura]

It's far more entertaining to think that Reenk has single-handedly caused the deaths of all of the scum in this game. He is Legend.

I cannot argue against that. :P


This game is awesome.

Or that!

[TinCow]

I hereby propose a new Mafia Glossary definition:

Reenk (v. - Reenked/Reenking): The act of creating a single post or PM that, through a complex series of unlikely events, results in the total or near total obliteration of all scum in a mafia game. (e.g. "TinCow, Renata, ATPG, and Beskar got reenked.")

[Ironside]

So Beskar, how did you find out about the voting block on day 1?

[Romanic]

Oh come on Beskar! Give us some meat about the Voting Block story. It looks like a great conspiracy and I wanna hear all you know about it. Be extravagant like Pizza, reveal EVERYTHING!! :applause:

Or something else. Any shocking revelation would do really. :laugh4:

[Romanic]

So Beskar, how did you find out about the voting block on day 1?

Hey you! What do you know about the Voting Block? You talk like someone who knows this stuff. :smug2:

[Secura]

So Beskar, how did you find out about the voting block on day 1?

As a living player, you can reveal the names that were invited, right?

[TinCow]

As a living player, you can reveal the names that were invited, right?

Oh... my... god... That is brilliant. The chain reaction really is going to continue! :laugh4:

Dying was totally worth it to witness this.

[thefluffyone93]

Oh... my... god... That is brilliant. The chain reaction really is going to continue! :laugh4:

Dying was totally worth it to witness this.

"Finally, you have broader considerations that might follow what you would call the ‘falling domino’ principle. You have a row of dominoes set up, you knock over the first one, and what will happen to the last one is the certainty that it will go over very quickly. So you could have a beginning of a disintegration that would have the most profound influences." President Eisenhower
Well, I find this to be quite fitting, don't you agree?

[Beskar]

See how masterful Beskar is in scum hunting? :yes:

There is a good reason to keep me around.

[autolycus]

I'd like to comment that I heard a lot of people earlier talking about conversions. No previous CoV game had conversions (except maybe Koopa Troop, I didn't quite get what happened with Peach and Dimentio), and I don't see any reason to believe in them now. There may be townies that can win with scum, that was established in Rubicon, which Chaotix says this drew on.
Now, if Winston's claim is true, let's see what we have in terms of known teams in the original setup.
GF Survivalists-??? - One of the main townie teams.
IFDH Survivalists- ??? - Another townie team.
Heroes- ????- The final known team of townies
Meta-Ridley-1- Scum/Neutral- Claims to just be out to kill Samus and Dark Samus.
Phazon Corrupted- 3?-Cloud Strife, Dark Samus and Corrupted Pikachu, traditional scum team.
Team Samus/ ??? Corrupted-3 - Samus, Hot Girl, Cold Dude, traditional Scum team.
Peach and Bowser-2- Neutral
This leaves 38 to be in our townie squads, which is plausible, there might even be one or two more neutrals out there.


Edit: After reviewing Koopa Troop, I suspect Luigi of being in this game somehow, likely as part of the heroes. He died in CoV1, got resurrected for Koopa Troop, and his "lynch" was an escape. Chaotix loves him. Also, Koopa Troop did have conversions, so conversions do seem plausible/likely,

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Converts were possible in rubicon.

[Winston Hughes]

All players with kill abilities should target ATPG tonight.

[Reenk Roink]

Man, am I happy that I am gonna get SO DRUNK tonight (after watching Black Swan :beam:).

First KILL BESKAR

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

You only killed two useless townies. Sasaki always stays active whether dead or alive and I chose to get more active after death too. GOOD JOB! :rolleyes:


Reenk was killed for claiming to be a 'awesome role'

How can you fall for that after all this time? I guess it was more understandable because technically I didn't know my role at the time I said that, but still.


I got scanned because of that silly Reenk thing? Yeesh, I wouldn't have gone along with that even if I was town. I don't like being told how to vote.

I wasn't telling you all how to vote... :stare: I was asking to discuss who to vote for with 6 other people whose insights and opinions I valued and who I thought were the best to get Mafia while also making my vote more potent... :juggle:


You cannot use that as a reason for having killed Reenk, because you didn't come to learn about the voting block until the second day phase.

False, I knew about it in advance. Hence the "some one contacted me" and I went "Reenk?" and you started spluttering about.

You told him Secura? :sad: Anyway, I guess you told him AFTER it doesn't matter. :smiley: The important question is who the **** told anyone else from the start? It seems like TinCow. Never contacting you again. :angry:


So Beskar, how did you find out about the voting block on day 1?

As a living player, you can reveal the names that were invited, right?

I'd prefer you guys not reveal the names (I'd like to do this again but it seems unlikely now).

Lastly and most importantly:

Secura is right in a way. The town needs to start up and finish this job off. TSo you guys should just burn out what's been burned out (meaning KILL BESKAR) and go from there.

Therefore I'm gonna even change my position on Atpg. Keep him alive for a bit more if you like, but if you don't have any good leads for a night Atpg might as well die. We certainly don't need him to win, and there is so much time at this moment that minimizing his potential risk is worth losing his protown services if that is truly his goal.

[Ironside]

GF Survivalists-??? - One of the main townie teams.
IFDH Survivalists- ??? - Another townie team.
Heroes- ????- The final known team of townies
Meta-Ridley-1- Scum/Neutral- Claims to just be out to kill Samus and Dark Samus.
Phazon Corrupted- 3?-Cloud Strife, Dark Samus and Corrupted Pikachu, traditional scum team.
Team Samus/ ??? Corrupted-3 - Samus, Hot Girl,Cold Dude, traditional Scum team.
Peach and Bowser-2- Neutral, Hot Girl.
This leaves 38 to be in our townie squads, which is plausible, there might even be one or two more neutrals out there.

Some correction.
Also notice that Beskar's kills is colour coded in the same colour as the Hunter aka Samus. Odd relation if Beskar is third party.


As a living player, you can reveal the names that were invited, right?

Indeed. And since Beskar is avoiding the question:

This PM was sent out to:
Me
Beefy187
pevergreen
Renata


All right so we've got Renata, Ironside, Beefy, pever, and myself for this. TinCow wants his voting independence and Secura is just being suspicious (so I am being even more cryptic and difficult with her).

Anyway, all I'm suggesting is that we form a voting block of sorts in the early round. I'm sick of my vote being meaningless, and I also can't convince anyone of anything, so essentially I want to vote in a group of several people together which makes my own vote have more power.

Also, I hate reading 600 posts per day when the game begins and thus I never do it, and thus I always miss that one important thing said.

So if we briefly discuss to ourselves who to vote for and then all decide on one candidate, we go a long way to solving the problems of being weak and unheard and ignorant! :2thumbsup:

We only really have to do this in the early round anyway, because early on, at least I don't really have too strong an opinion and will go with the group (if the group is small and good like ours), even if I'm thinking someone else.

We can always just dismantle our voting group later on when it becomes useless or we disagree too much.

By the way, can we even vig/protect in this game?

It fell apart quite quickly since we didn't know if we could pm to multiple people at the same time inside the rules and RR:s death. I didn't have any contact after that.
Notice that RR mentions those that didn't join and that Beskar isn't on any list.
Could be something else, but there's high odds that me (in fairness), Beefy or pever are allied to Beskar, who in turn feels to be on team Samus.

I must say that if even if those left are all townies, that's quite a high percentage of mafia. At least 2 out of 6.

Edit: RR, I'm doing this because from my perspective, there's a high chance to have a scummy among the two others.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

All players with kill abilities should target ATPG tonight.

You just confessed to being mafia.

[Winston Hughes]

You just confessed to being mafia.

:laugh4: No, I just want him dead.

[Winston Hughes]

As does everyone else.

[thefluffyone93]

I do?

[Chaotix]

You guys sure post a lot for night phases! :sweatdrop:

I simultaneously enjoy and dread having to read all of this. At least the game is popular. :clown:

Most of it seems like good discussion, but when possible try to cut down on the spam and unnecessary stuff during night phases.

Anyway, the phase ends in a little after an hour. I'll try to have the write-up soon after that, as I'm starting the essentials now.

[Greyblades]

Winston have you ever heard of the edit button?

[Captain Blackadder]

I'd like to comment that I heard a lot of people earlier talking about conversions. No previous CoV game had conversions (except maybe Koopa Troop, I didn't quite get what happened with Peach and Dimentio), and I don't see any reason to believe in them now. There may be townies that can win with scum, that was established in Rubicon, which Chaotix says this drew on.
Now, if Winston's claim is true, let's see what we have in terms of known teams in the original setup.
GF Survivalists-??? - One of the main townie teams.
IFDH Survivalists- ??? - Another townie team.
Heroes- ????- The final known team of townies
Meta-Ridley-1- Scum/Neutral- Claims to just be out to kill Samus and Dark Samus.
Phazon Corrupted- 3?-Cloud Strife, Dark Samus and Corrupted Pikachu, traditional scum team.
Team Samus/ ??? Corrupted-3 - Samus, Hot Girl, Cold Dude, traditional Scum team.
Peach and Bowser-2- Neutral
This leaves 38 to be in our townie squads, which is plausible, there might even be one or two more neutrals out there.


Edit: After reviewing Koopa Troop, I suspect Luigi of being in this game somehow, likely as part of the heroes. He died in CoV1, got resurrected for Koopa Troop, and his "lynch" was an escape. Chaotix loves him. Also, Koopa Troop did have conversions, so conversions do seem plausible/likely,

Converts were possible in Koopa Troop I was dementio in that game and i could mind control people into doing my biding.

[Secura]

Anyway, I guess you told him AFTER it doesn't matter. :smiley:

I only told him that it was you after you died and I told him about TinCow's reaction to the group.


I'd prefer you guys not reveal the names (I'd like to do this again but it seems unlikely now).

Sorry, I'd already asked him to!

I would have loved to participate in the group had it been permitted... it's just a shame you misinterpreted a poor vanilla townie's scepticism as being suspicious and that you invited Dark Samus and her toyboy along for the ride!


Notice that RR mentions those that didn't join and that Beskar isn't on any list.

:yes:

[Beskar]

You just confessed to being mafia.

I told you he was. His claim was false. At the current rate, I will be dead and you can see I was telling the truth. Though, it will be abit too late when that happens.

[Beskar]

You only killed two useless townies. Sasaki always stays active whether dead or alive and I chose to get more active after death too. GOOD JOB! :rolleyes:

My goal isn't to kill townies, so you becoming more active is actually a good thing. So yes, you are correct. Good job. :tongue:

[Chaotix]

Round over, still working on write-up.

Bear with me, I have a ton of night actions to go through.

[Choxorn]

I hope someone attacked Beskar and someone attacked Winston. If they are both still alive, then the innocents with kill abilities have some 'splainin to do.

[pevergreen]

Reenk (v. - Reenked/Reenking): The act of creating a single post or PM that, through a complex series of unlikely events, results in the total or near total obliteration of all scum in a mafia game. (e.g. "TinCow, Renata, ATPG, and Beskar got reenked.")

I like this. :yes:

As for the voting block, nothing ever happened. I quickly pointed out to Reenk that, at that stage, it was against the rules. I was jealous, I wanted it to be like old times. Just me and Reenk.

Due to the time differences, before we could work anything out, he was killed.

AND IF BESKAR DID IT, BY GOD YOU WILL SUFFER.

[classical_hero]

Pever, how does it feel to miss out on all this action? It is a shame we are on the other side of the world compared to most of the players.

[pevergreen]

Pever, how does it feel to miss out on all this action? It is a shame we are on the other side of the world compared to most of the players.

Woah, hey dude. I never realised you were from Perth!

Do you know some of the other Aussies around?

What are you doing up so early. Its not even 11!

[classical_hero]

Woah, hey dude. I never realised you were from Perth!

Do you know some of the other Aussies around?

What are you doing up so early. Its not even 11!
Yeah I know, butI got woken up by the need to go to the can. I'll leave at that, but I do know that I will need some more sleep in the afternoon.

I think we are the only two here playing mafia. There are some on other site, but I am not sure if you are a member of them.

[Captain Blackadder]

Excuse me I am a fellow Australian as well

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am so dead tonight, and I don't even care. Time to go out in style.

LEEEEEEEROOOOOOYYYYYY JENKINSSSSSSS

[thefluffyone93]

At least you have chicken.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Trying to post this before I die.

Sequence of events:

1. Tincow is revealed to be scum, I contact him before he dies, let him know I'm neutral (want to get murders off of my back)
2. I reveal some of my powers to others (want to get lynches off of my back)
3. I find out Beskar claimed incorruptible hero, and since town already trusted him, I tried to. (Wanted to coordinate my actions with town's)
4. Pressure on Seon leads to hunch on Renata
5. Pressure on Renata leads to me being exposed.
6. Renata is lynched
7. Pressure on Winston (hunch, based on his behavior) leads to Winston accusing Beskar.
8. I already suspect Beskar knows a mafia investigator, if he's not mafia himself. At the time, I believe Beskar is innocent.
9. I find out Beskar has killing powers due to Winston's pressure, he reveals to me.
10. I put more pressure on Beskar, again accusing him of being Samus mafia. (Yes, as buddy buddy as I acted publicly, I was constantly questioning and pressuring Beskar privately. I needed to know if I could trust him.)
11. He reveals he's Peach and is working for Bowser. Claims his partner is Doopliss or something. Look it up on the mario wiki.
12. He says Bowser isn't even in the game. Story seems almost plausible.
13. Since my neck is on the line and a reflection on me, whatever Beskar does, and I still don't trust his investigator, I demand to know who this person is. Beskar knows I have zero motive for killing said investigator unless they are Samus.
14. Beskar refuses to reveal. That plus the fact he didn't fully reveal to me to begin with tells me he doesn't trust me, even after I fully revealed to him. As such, there is no possible partnership, I do not work with people who are constantly dishonest and secretive toward me.
15. Under massive pressure, Beskar reveals he knows who Samus is, privately. At this point I know he's covering for Samus mafia, or is Samus mafia.
16. Beskar refuses to reveal Samus. I switch my order to kill him.

17. I die, the end.... :laugh4:

This is how mafia goes. No hard feelings, Beskar. But I can't trust you; I revealed fully to you and you continued to be secretive and deceptive towards me.



Darn thee thou cursed mafia... from the depths of hell I STAB AT THEE

[pevergreen]

Excuse me I am a fellow Australian as well

I was gunna mention you!

Sucks you got sick that day we were supposed to meet up. :no:


I am so dead tonight, and I don't even care. Time to go out in style.

LEEEEEEEROOOOOOYYYYYY JENKINSSSSSSS
ATPG has no style, he has no grace. This guy has a funny face. He can handstand, when he needs to. And stretch his arms out, just for you. Inflate himself, just like balloon. This crazy guy just digs this tune.

[thefluffyone93]

What an unfortunate series of events.
I wuv you too much to see you die atpg, even if you are a psycho space dragon cyborg.

[Rebel Jeb]

I think I can almost mark you off as innocent now, Rebel Jeb.

Well thanks. :P

[Askthepizzaguy]

What an unfortunate series of events.
I wuv you too much to see you die atpg, even if you are a psycho space dragon cyborg.

Don't cry for me fluffy, I'm already dead.

[thefluffyone93]

Awww...okay.
Is revenge ok?

[Greyblades]

Is this confirmed, or are you just assuming your going to die?

[classical_hero]

I think he assumes, unless he knows more about the game than we do.

[Greyblades]

I think he assumes, unless he knows more about the game than we do.

I think it's a given he knows more about this than we do at this point.

[Yaropolk]

Can I be an honorary Aussie? Mind your own bizzos you bodgy bogans! Ace!

[Chaotix]

Sorry for being late, this was a big write-up and I wanted to make sure I got it right. I am formatting the post now and will be posting it very soon.

Make sure you click those music links this time, I've got some of the best!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Here lies Ridley. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4LyoUGxVd8&feature=related)

He never knew when to shut up.

Ridley smash.

12/27/10 - 01/07/11

[pevergreen]

Can I be an honorary Aussie? Mind your own bizzos you bodgy bogans! Ace!

Not with that spelling.

Ace. Who says ace. :laugh4:

[thefluffyone93]

D'awwww....
Titanic music makes me cry.
Darn you.

[Chaotix]

Night 3

After the disappearance of Meta-Ridley, the crew of the GFS Olympus was at a loss for what to do. Clearly they had a dangerous dragon on board who was somehow posing as one of them- a dragon who also happened to be the leader of the Space Pirates that the ship had been initially en route to attack. But Meta-Ridley had also destroyed Dark Samus, another of the greatest enemies of the Galactic Federation. Nobody would be taking any chances tonight. It was certain they’d all be up late securing a defensive position (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1eXcuDyidk).

All of them except for Barrett Wallace, that is.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Barrett.jpg

Barrett never missed sleep for anything, and tonight was no exception. Besides, if anyone bothered him, he had a machine for an arm. You don’t mess with a guy with a gun at the end of his arm. It wasn’t like anyone else on this ship had high-tech arm-mounted guns or anything.

He was kind of bummed out about the death of his good friend Cloud Strife… still, he supposed he was better off dead than living under the control of the Dark Hunter.

Barrett continued to sleep peacefully, even when his steel door was kicked down forcefully. A huge, rotund silhouette could be seen in the doorway. The large assassin hefted his equally large hammer into the air. After pressing a button, the hammer roared like a jet engine and was sheathed in flames. This amount of noise, however, shook Barrett awake.

The muscled warrior sprung to hit feet and kicked the assassin in the face, causing him to lose his balance. Then he began firing with his machine gun arm and loaded up the assassin with bullets.

Or at least, he would have, if the huge figure hadn’t been spinning his hammer rapidly and blocking them all. The assassin smashed Barrett with his fiery hammer, sending him flying into the wall. The wall was bent and Barrett was stuck in it. The lumbering assassin walked up to the stunned Barrett and whacked him with the hammer again, this time sending him through the wall, as well as the next two behind it.

After checking to make sure he had hit his mark, the dark figure waddled away into the depths of the ship.

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The white wolf Amaterasu sprinted throughout the ship at full speed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTQ4t3OEwoY), leaving behind a trail of flowers as it went.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Amaterasu.png

Earlier, she had been approached by a small, yellow, mouse-like creature. The mouse had seemed friendly and playful at first, but after a few minutes Amaterasu had realized that it had glowing blue eyes and stared at her dementedly whenever it thought she wasn’t watching.

When the creature had suddenly launched a powerful electric blast at her, she was prepared and dodged, then began to run away. They were now in the midst of a cat-and-mouse chase… or rather a mouse-and-dog chase. Amaterasu dared not look behind her, but she heard the creature’s shrieks and the objects exploding with electricity behind her.

Finally, she hung a hard left into a corridor and left the creature behind. She continued sprinting through what appeared to be a large room used for communications- which had long been abandoned since they were cut. She kept running until she bumped into a large, armored figure with its back to here. The figure turned around immediately and aimed its gun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1brLxtr2_I).


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Samus.jpg

Amaterasu had escaped from one danger only to encounter another. The Hunter charged up her arm cannon, and an orb of pure light energy began growing steadily at the end of it. The white wolf was paralyzed with surprise, caught like a deer in the headlights of a car. From behind, she heard the yellow mouse bounding into the room, bristling with static electricity and growling.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Pikachu.png

There was a blinding flash as both the light beam and the thunderbolt were fired at her. But when Amaterasu opened her eyes, she was unharmed. A huge, chiseled figure of a man stood next to her, holding up a powerful force field that blocked both attacks.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/CaptainFalcon.jpg

Both the Hunter and Pikachu were shocked. Then they noticed each other, and each quickly retreated back into the shadows. Amaterasu looked back towards her Captain, wanting to thank him, but he was gone without a trace, as if he had never been there at all. Amaterasu hurried back to her quarters.

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Deep in the lower sections of the GFS Olympus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8_FVsdGGEc), the bounty hunter Gandrayda ventured.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Gandrayda.jpg

Down here, near the Cargo Bay, nearly all of the lighting equipment had been destroyed when the ship had been struck. Now the crew knew that Meta-Ridley was the one who had forced his way on board. Gandrayda thought that the dragon had probably lodged himself in the Cargo Bay itself, since it was one of the only rooms large enough for him to move around effectively. Since there was no lighting, not many had dared to venture down here since the attack had begun.

In fact, there was only one other crew member who had been down here previously…

“Don’t move!”


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/JillValentine.jpg

Jill Valentine had her gun pointed directly at Gandrayda.

“There’s something very dangerous down here… it’s best if you leave at once.”

The look on Gandrayda’s face was a mixture of amusement and confusion.

“What’s the matter, Jill? Not scared, are you? Besides… if it’s so dangerous, why are you down here yourself?”

“You need to go, and you need to do it now.”

“Why’s that? So you can finish your little chat with Meta-Ridley? Is that it? I’m no fool, Jill. I know what you’re up to, and I know what you can do… like this!”

Gandrayda (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SySV9xBU6M) produced a large ball of flame in her hand and held it there. Pallor passed over Jill’s face, and a red glint flashed in her eyes.

“You’re wrong, Gandrayda. You are quite the fool, and have sealed your own fate. Down here, no one is going to hear you scream!”

The illusion faded, and Jill Valentine’s true form was revealed, lit by the flames in Gandrayda’s hands.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/ShadowPeach.jpg

Princess Peach, corrupted by an evil force, stood before her. She produced fireballs in her own hands, identical to the one Gandrayda held, and threw them at her. Gandrayda dodged, and began fighting fire with fire.

The cat fight continued, but Shadow Peach was gaining the upper hand. She had clearly had more practice using her own powers than Gandrayda had. However, there was one watching from the shadows who interrupted their battle.

“SCREEEEEEECHRRROOOOOOOAAAAARRRR!”


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Meta-Ridley.jpg

Meta-Ridley swooped in from the high ceiling and shot a massive fireball into the midst of the battle, throwing both combatants to the ground. The massive dragon landed between them, and faced Shadow Peach with a devious grin on his reptilian face. He began slashing at the dark princess with his razor-sharp claws, and she was barely swift enough to avoid the attacks.

Gandrayda was almost mesmerized by the battle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jbzOuBd4aE). She could have easily slipped away at this point, but that was not what she came to do. She saw only one possible way to come out on top.

The bounty hunter took a good look at Meta-Ridley, and then jumped onto his back, grabbing hold of his metal-plated spine. The dragon was confused and disoriented, and Shadow Peach managed to blast him in the face with a fiery attack. When she looked at the damage, though, she was seeing double.

Gandrayda had shape-shifted and somehow managed to take the form of Meta-Ridley. She lunged forward and grabbed Shadow Peach in her new talons, and then flew high into the air. She opened her mouth to launch a fire blast at the princess, but she was not yet used to this new form.

Shadow Peach seized the opportunity and blasted Gandrayda in the face with a fireball, causing her to lose her grip. Peach remained floating in the air, and reached forward herself, gripping Gandrayda by her scaly neck. Burning the bounty hunter with her clenched fists, she dove and plunged her head-first into the metal deck below.

Gandrayda, drained of all energy, resumed her normal form on the floor. Shadow Peach stood triumphantly over her.

“Hmph… at least I’ll take you with me…”

Shadow Peach wondered for a moment what she meant as the light left her eyes. Then she came to a dreaded realization when she heard the growling behind her.

The princess was impaled by Meta-Ridley’s tail, sharp as a spear, before she could turn around. When Meta-Ridley withdrew his tail and dropped her to the ground, however, she did not bleed. Wisps of red and black smoke left her body, and she screamed with hatred and agony.

When all of the dark energy had left her body, Meta-Ridley caught a glimpse of her eyes, in their normal, sparkling blue coloration, just before she lost consciousness.

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Living: 31/47
Askthepizzaguy
Beefy187
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Cecil XIX
Choxorn2 (Replaced Death is yonder)
classical_hero
Csargo
dcmort93
Diamondeye
Double A
Frozen in Ice
Glenn
God Emperor
Greyblades2 (Replaced Motep)
Insanious
Ironside
Jarema
johnhughthom
Khazaar
landlubber
Nictel
pevergreen
Rebel Jeb
Romanic
Seon
Skooma Addict
Thefluffyone93
woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan


Dead: 16/47
a completely inoffensive name - Professor E. Gadd (IDFH Survivalist)
AntiKingWarmanCake88 - Diddy Kong (IDFH Survivalist)
robbiecon - Trace (GF Survivalist)
Choxorn - GF Mechanic (GF Survivalist)
Reenk Roink - Pit (IDFH Survivalist)
Greyblades - Aurora Unit 242 (GF Survivalist)
TinCow - Corrupted Cloud Strife (Phazon Corruption)
autolycus - GF Quarantine Officer (GF Survivalist)
Sasaki Kojiro - Rundas (GF Survivalist)
Secura - Commander Shepard (IDFH Survivalist)
YLC - GF PED Marine (GF Survivalist)
Nightbringer - Noxus (Hero)
Renata - Dark Samus (Phazon Corruption)
Link - Barrett Wallace (IDFH Survivalist)
Winston Hughes - Gandrayda (GF Survivalist)
Beskar - Shadow Peach (Bowser Corruption)

Reserves:
autolycus


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Begin Day 4!

I'm doing results PMs now. There are a lot, so bear with me please.

[classical_hero]

Beskar is listed as both dead and alive.

[thefluffyone93]

Hohoho!
Well done!

Wait a sec, wasn't king dedede killed in an earlier game?

[autolycus]

Well, all I can guess as to why this happened is that both corruptions decided to follow my lead, and beskar chose revenge, figuring we won't leave the giant metal space-dragon alive for too long. Nice work Captain Falcon. I think that clears Frozen, since I'll bet he's Amaterasu. If someone else is, I recommend they claim, since the corruptions already know who you are.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thank you captain, for protecting Seon as I asked. I cannot believe two scums would attack a dude I said needed to be protected.

I am going to assume I took serious damage from that battle, and I'm all out of luck for next time.
Edit: Or not? Was I even attacked?

Frozen in Ice was scanned last night, because you guys were extremely suspicious of him. I wanted to confirm if he would be a good lynch or a bad lynch.

Waiting on results.

[Seon]

Actually, I'm Amaterasu ;).

Boo, phazons and Samus. BOOOO.

[classical_hero]

It seem like every time there is an extended period it is bad for the mafia, so can we extend this day also?

[thefluffyone93]

So, now that all of these guys are dead, do we have any ideas on who pikachu is?
And I'm guessing king dedede would be under bowser's faction, right?

[pevergreen]

It seem like every time there is an extended period it is bad for the mafia, so can we extend this day also?

+1

Silly Princess, go back to making Mario some cake.

[Frozen In Ice]

It seems your pessimism was unwarranted ATPG.:yes: And I was scanned so I should be cleared of everyone appearing in the write-up now.

[Beskar]

beskar chose revenge

Not going to get a liar get away with talking nonsense to get me killed.

[autolycus]

It doesn't look to me like you were even attacked, atpg.

[Beskar]

It seems your pessimism was unwarranted ATPG.:yes: And I was scanned so I should be cleared of everyone appearing in the write-up now.

It's funny who arranged that clearing as well. Could it be that Beskar was telling the truth?

[classical_hero]

It was the truth, but not the whole truth. ;) A big difference between the two.

[Greyblades]

Hohoho!
Well done!

Wait a sec, wasn't king dedede killed in an earlier game?

He was in the first game, but kirby was killed in that game, so maybe he tagged along with ridley seeing as his nemesis was already dead.

[thefluffyone93]

So that puts dedede under what faction, exactly?

[Greyblades]

Well he was a villian in the first one, and was on the same side as ridley. Maybe he's another serial killer like pizza?

[autolycus]

Not going to get a liar get away with talking nonsense to get me killed.

It seems to me like he was telling the truth or something close to it. If anyone would have the power to copy abilities, it's Gandrayda.

On another note, Link's killer doesn't fit either of our known scum teams. I'm sure we would have gotten some nice color-coded eyes if he were part of one of our primary teams. So the question is, innocent vig, neutral, or SK.


Revised Team List
GF Survivalists- ???-One batch of townies
IDFH Survivalists- ???- Another Batch of townies
Heroes- Final batch
Phazon Corrupted- Dark Samus, Cloud Strife, Pikachu- First Scum Squad
Bowser Corrupted- Shadow Peach, Samus, Cool Dude???- Second Scum Squad, I'm still not convinced that the cold killer on Night 2 was Shadow Peach
Meta-Ridley- SK/Neutral- Or possibly part of larger Space Pirate scum faction?
Hammer-Man- ????????

[thefluffyone93]

TWO serial killers?
Doubt it, and why hasn't he killed before this?
Unless he has, and I'm too stupid to remember it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ah, so winston was innocent after all. Massive wall posts of accusation from scum can taint even town, and that request for attacks on pizza after pizza said something about it being likely the mafia would gang up on him.

Scumhunting time!

Beskar has scumbuddies so we could look for them...

[Greyblades]

Well at least we didnt have to waste a lynch to find out. Pizza even offed beskar for us so, hey, bonus!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Summary for those who want one-

Night 3

After the disappearance of Meta-Ridley, the crew of the GFS Olympus was at a loss for what to do. Clearly they had a dangerous dragon on board who was somehow posing as one of them- a dragon who also happened to be the leader of the Space Pirates that the ship had been initially en route to attack. But Meta-Ridley had also destroyed Dark Samus, another of the greatest enemies of the Galactic Federation. Nobody would be taking any chances tonight. It was certain they’d all be up late securing a defensive position (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1eXcuDyidk).

All of them except for Barrett Wallace, that is.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Barrett.jpg

Barrett never missed sleep for anything, and tonight was no exception. Besides, if anyone bothered him, he had a machine for an arm. You don’t mess with a guy with a gun at the end of his arm. It wasn’t like anyone else on this ship had high-tech arm-mounted guns or anything.

He was kind of bummed out about the death of his good friend Cloud Strife… still, he supposed he was better off dead than living under the control of the Dark Hunter.

Barrett continued to sleep peacefully, even when his steel door was kicked down forcefully. A huge, rotund silhouette could be seen in the doorway. The large assassin hefted his equally large hammer into the air. After pressing a button, the hammer roared like a jet engine and was sheathed in flames. This amount of noise, however, shook Barrett awake.

The muscled warrior sprung to hit feet and kicked the assassin in the face, causing him to lose his balance. Then he began firing with his machine gun arm and loaded up the assassin with bullets.

Or at least, he would have, if the huge figure hadn’t been spinning his hammer rapidly and blocking them all. The assassin smashed Barrett with his fiery hammer, sending him flying into the wall. The wall was bent and Barrett was stuck in it. The lumbering assassin walked up to the stunned Barrett and whacked him with the hammer again, this time sending him through the wall, as well as the next two behind it.

After checking to make sure he had hit his mark, the dark figure waddled away into the depths of the ship.

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King Dedede. (unknown faction)

http://kirby.wikia.com/wiki/King_Dedede

Lack of Red Eyes and Blue Eyes or dialogue hints indicates to me a possible vigilante or recent recruit. Not our main target. This is his first kill.

Still, a vigilante attacking Link?

Meh... I guess it fits. Link wasn't very talkative; if you can't investigate, killing people off can make sense.

I do doubt the Serial Killer theory; he would have killed before, and he's obviously not scan then killing, because Link was a nobody.

Dedede is not a Serial Killer, IMO.

The white wolf Amaterasu sprinted throughout the ship at full speed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTQ4t3OEwoY), leaving behind a trail of flowers as it went.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Amaterasu.png

Earlier, she had been approached by a small, yellow, mouse-like creature. The mouse had seemed friendly and playful at first, but after a few minutes Amaterasu had realized that it had glowing blue eyes and stared at her dementedly whenever it thought she wasn’t watching.

When the creature had suddenly launched a powerful electric blast at her, she was prepared and dodged, then began to run away. They were now in the midst of a cat-and-mouse chase… or rather a mouse-and-dog chase. Amaterasu dared not look behind her, but she heard the creature’s shrieks and the objects exploding with electricity behind her.

Finally, she hung a hard left into a corridor and left the creature behind. She continued sprinting through what appeared to be a large room used for communications- which had long been abandoned since they were cut. She kept running until she bumped into a large, armored figure with its back to here. The figure turned around immediately and aimed its gun (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1brLxtr2_I).


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Samus.jpg

Amaterasu had escaped from one danger only to encounter another. The Hunter charged up her arm cannon, and an orb of pure light energy began growing steadily at the end of it. The white wolf was paralyzed with surprise, caught like a deer in the headlights of a car. From behind, she heard the yellow mouse bounding into the room, bristling with static electricity and growling.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Pikachu.png

There was a blinding flash as both the light beam and the thunderbolt were fired at her. But when Amaterasu opened her eyes, she was unharmed. A huge, chiseled figure of a man stood next to her, holding up a powerful force field that blocked both attacks.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/CaptainFalcon.jpg

Both the Hunter and Pikachu were shocked. Then they noticed each other, and each quickly retreated back into the shadows. Amaterasu looked back towards her Captain, wanting to thank him, but he was gone without a trace, as if he had never been there at all. Amaterasu hurried back to her quarters.


Samus and Pikachu, rival mafia factions, both attack Seon/Amaterasu, and are protected by Captain Falcon. Good call Cap'n.

Two less townie deaths tonight.


Deep in the lower sections of the GFS Olympus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8_FVsdGGEc), the bounty hunter Gandrayda ventured.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Gandrayda.jpg

Down here, near the Cargo Bay, nearly all of the lighting equipment had been destroyed when the ship had been struck. Now the crew knew that Meta-Ridley was the one who had forced his way on board. Gandrayda thought that the dragon had probably lodged himself in the Cargo Bay itself, since it was one of the only rooms large enough for him to move around effectively. Since there was no lighting, not many had dared to venture down here since the attack had begun.

In fact, there was only one other crew member who had been down here previously…

“Don’t move!”


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/JillValentine.jpg

Jill Valentine had her gun pointed directly at Gandrayda.

“There’s something very dangerous down here… it’s best if you leave at once.”

The look on Gandrayda’s face was a mixture of amusement and confusion.

“What’s the matter, Jill? Not scared, are you? Besides… if it’s so dangerous, why are you down here yourself?”

“You need to go, and you need to do it now.”

“Why’s that? So you can finish your little chat with Meta-Ridley? Is that it? I’m no fool, Jill. I know what you’re up to, and I know what you can do… like this!”

Gandrayda (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SySV9xBU6M) produced a large ball of flame in her hand and held it there. Pallor passed over Jill’s face, and a red glint flashed in her eyes.

“You’re wrong, Gandrayda. You are quite the fool, and have sealed your own fate. Down here, no one is going to hear you scream!”

The illusion faded, and Jill Valentine’s true form was revealed, lit by the flames in Gandrayda’s hands.


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/ShadowPeach.jpg

Princess Peach, corrupted by an evil force, stood before her. She produced fireballs in her own hands, identical to the one Gandrayda held, and threw them at her. Gandrayda dodged, and began fighting fire with fire.

The cat fight continued, but Shadow Peach was gaining the upper hand. She had clearly had more practice using her own powers than Gandrayda had. However, there was one watching from the shadows who interrupted their battle.

“SCREEEEEEECHRRROOOOOOOAAAAARRRR!”


https://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww93/Chaotix2732/A%20State%20of%20Corruption/Meta-Ridley.jpg

Meta-Ridley swooped in from the high ceiling and shot a massive fireball into the midst of the battle, throwing both combatants to the ground. The massive dragon landed between them, and faced Shadow Peach with a devious grin on his reptilian face. He began slashing at the dark princess with his razor-sharp claws, and she was barely swift enough to avoid the attacks.

Gandrayda was almost mesmerized by the battle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jbzOuBd4aE). She could have easily slipped away at this point, but that was not what she came to do. She saw only one possible way to come out on top.

The bounty hunter took a good look at Meta-Ridley, and then jumped onto his back, grabbing hold of his metal-plated spine. The dragon was confused and disoriented, and Shadow Peach managed to blast him in the face with a fiery attack. When she looked at the damage, though, she was seeing double.

Gandrayda had shape-shifted and somehow managed to take the form of Meta-Ridley. She lunged forward and grabbed Shadow Peach in her new talons, and then flew high into the air. She opened her mouth to launch a fire blast at the princess, but she was not yet used to this new form.

Shadow Peach seized the opportunity and blasted Gandrayda in the face with a fireball, causing her to lose her grip. Peach remained floating in the air, and reached forward herself, gripping Gandrayda by her scaly neck. Burning the bounty hunter with her clenched fists, she dove and plunged her head-first into the metal deck below.

Gandrayda, drained of all energy, resumed her normal form on the floor. Shadow Peach stood triumphantly over her.

“Hmph… at least I’ll take you with me…”

Shadow Peach wondered for a moment what she meant as the light left her eyes. Then she came to a dreaded realization when she heard the growling behind her.

The princess was impaled by Meta-Ridley’s tail, sharp as a spear, before she could turn around. When Meta-Ridley withdrew his tail and dropped her to the ground, however, she did not bleed. Wisps of red and black smoke left her body, and she screamed with hatred and agony.

When all of the dark energy had left her body, Meta-Ridley caught a glimpse of her eyes, in their normal, sparkling blue coloration, just before she lost consciousness.

Beskar (Red faction) attacks Winston (townie)
Winston (townie) attacks Beskar (Red Faction)
ATPG (SK) attacks Beskar (Red Faction)

Beskar and Winston died.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lynch diamondeye.

[pevergreen]

Lynch diamondeye.

Any reason?

[TinCow]

On another note, Link's killer doesn't fit either of our known scum teams. I'm sure we would have gotten some nice color-coded eyes if he were part of one of our primary teams. So the question is, innocent vig, neutral, or SK.

I think you'll find that's Corrupted Mario.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I remember back when beskar accused tincow I had a feeling that diamondeye was linked to beskar. Also there's something secret I won't add because it's unsporting (nothing against the rules though).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hold off on Diamondeye for now. Give me a little time to hear from the scanners, Diamondeye was on the list.

I have a message for Captain Falcon that I need to pass along privately, and I don't know how to do it safely without asking him to reveal to me.

I am open to suggestions; I know you're worried about protecting his ID but this is important.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think you'll find that's Corrupted Mario.

"huge" doesn't fit Mario's description, even if he is husky (most enemies are larger than mario), nor are his hammers automatic with jet noises. I think you'll find that you're wrong.

[woad&fangs]

vote: diamondeye until I have a chance to look back through previous votes.

[TinCow]

"huge" doesn't fit Mario's description, even if he is husky (most enemies are larger than mario), nor are his hammers automatic with jet noises. I think you'll find that you're wrong.

Hmmm... yes, you're right. I missed the jet noises thing. I saw the hammer which, combined with Peach, made me think of Donkey Kong.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Diamondeye is not Samus, Pikachu, or King Dedede.

[thefluffyone93]

Well then, we are basically starting from square one,
as we have no leads....so, any one wanna make a guess?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well then, we are basically starting from square one,
as we have no leads....so, any one wanna make a guess?

There is still the Frozen in Ice scan and others I want to hear back from.

I'm not doing nothing presently, I'm updating my suspect list and reviewing the game. I advise others to do the same.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Diamondeye is not Samus, Pikachu, or King Dedede.

I take it those are the remaining mafia?


My next suspect is yaropolk. His instant suspicion of beskar back when he claimed sounds like inside knowledge.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I take it those are the remaining mafia?

My next suspect is yaropolk. His instant suspicion of beskar back when he claimed sounds like inside knowledge.

Dedede is not confirmed mafia yet. He has a lack of blue or red text in his kill attempt, and the kill attempt removed a suspect that was unlikely to be lynched. I do not know who this is; but reducing their effectiveness as mafia/proving that they are mafia, is as simple as asking such a vigilante to refrain from killing. If he listens to us, that's probably fewer townie deaths, and is less likely to be mafia. And even if he is mafia, that absolutely means fewer townie deaths.

Samus and Pikachu on the other hand are confirmed mafia and will not respond to such commands.

Dedede also left writeup proof he is not Samus or Pikachu, that's important.

My inactivity scan is going to become less and less useful as the game goes on; but at the same time, it can be used to nail mafia in the act, or force them to commit the WIFOM strategy of not killing at night. I will want to ask certain townies not to perform actions at night, and follow up with scans; if this is a workable plan, I think we should do it. Those cleared of being Samus or Pikachu will be free to continue doing whatever it is they want to do on the following nights.

I recommend using such a strategy on Yaropolk tonight. I have a strong suspicion he is not mafia, for what it is worth.

[Secura]

There's at least three mafia remaining.

Pikachu is the most obvious one, being the remaining member of the Phazon team; Beskar was part of the other mafia family and has two remaining allies alive, one of which is Samus.

[Csargo]

Vote:pever

You guys should follow my lead for no reason whatsoever. Just saying

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh yes. I hate forgetting things.

pever said he thought beskar was guilty but wanted winston killed first...and if winston flipped town we would know to lynch beskar. Perhaps he and beskar really did think winston would flip guilty. Also I have my doubts about the way pever acted about the voting block group.


I quickly pointed out to Reenk that, at that stage, it was against the rules. I was jealous, I wanted it to be like old times. Just me and Reenk.

Due to the time differences, before we could work anything out, he was killed.

AND IF BESKAR DID IT, BY GOD YOU WILL SUFFER.

Oooooh. Oooooh. DEATH UPON PEVER

He got the group disqualified because he didn't want to be forced into voting with it and then killed reenk. Claim of jealousy and yelling at beskar read insincere.

[pevergreen]

Vote:pever

You guys should follow my lead for no reason whatsoever. Just saying

I'd follow you to the ends of the earth Strawberry.

Vote: pevergreen

edit: sasaki, that makes no sense.

You realise Beskar claimed killing you and Reenk already, right?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Glenn

Had more to say than this, and after getting a few votes, clammed up, and dropped off the face of the Earth. But, interestingly, he's still visiting the org at night.

Vote: Insanious

Others also read his posts as being forced/fake sounding. He's nervous about his own death. I want to know why. He was also one of the Tincow unvoters, iirc.

He's also not Captain Falcon, so I'm not as worried about a mislynch.

Welcome to the .org my friend. Now, off with your head.

[Link]

Bah! I was killed? Terrible times we live in. Or don't. Anyway, I guess I was attacked by the bowser faction. King Dedede seems quite plausible.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't know if I believe this "Investigator":

1st killer = Samus
2nd killer = Seems to me like Pikachu, but no idea... there's only one episode with a blue eye'd pikachu... well a Mewtwo controlled Pikachu...
3rd killer = Someone with red eyes, and kills with cold
4th killer = Dark Samus

Cloud Strife is neither: Tiny and uses lightning, nor does cloud kill with cold...

Either:

1) Inverstigator is fibbing
2) Investigation result is wrong
3) Corrupted Cloud Strife kills by freezing people and is from Kid Icarus' LP
4) Corrupted Cloud Strike is tiny and kills people with lightning

To me, just doesn't seem to fit any of the 4 killers last night, might just be me.

Edit: just changed "dark cloud strife" to "corrupted cloud strife"

Perfect information syndrome.

He knew Tincow was not one of the killers.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I've wavered on that post a few times. Last time I read over it I decided not to do anything, don't remember why.

@pever: and beskar doing the killing means what?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've wavered on that post a few times. Last time I read over it I decided not to do anything, don't remember why.

@pever: and beskar doing the killing means what?

He's not a newbie to mafia. However, we do do things kinda differently here and have our own "culture" if you will. He was quite bold here to question an investigation result on Tincow, so early in a new game on a new forum.

A bit too bold, if you ask me. I don't have knowledge of his behavioral norms, but just from this game alone, you can see he's worried about dying, at least as much if not more than most others. From where does he get the boldness to question an investigator result on someone he knows not a thing about?

From firsthand knowledge.

He knows a lot about the game. He is already fluent in reading the writeups, more so than someone who just joined our little club honestly should.

This is a high compliment. Either he has the potential to be one of the greats here, or he's a dirty filthy scumbag who JUST PLAIN KNEW that Tincow didn't kill. Maybe both.

I believe he is Pikachu.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Reread it. Basically, if he's buddies with TinCow, he knows he is corrupted cloud strife. And so when someone posts saying that tincow is corrupted cloud stife, you KNOW as mafia that the investigator is telling the truth.

On the other hand, if your town and paid attention to the writeup and know what a cloud strife kill would look like, you will instantly doubt the claim that cloud was one of the killers. I remember being doubtful of that. And his edit saying he originally posted dark cloud strife and changed to corrupted...

Let's go with pever.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And his edit saying he originally posted dark cloud strife and changed to corrupted...

I think this is a false indicator. He might not have known the full name of his mafia buddy offhand. Adding "Dark" to the name however implies that he understands the context and that Cloud Strife is in fact dark and evil. It's his own contribution here, which he promptly edited before anyone had a chance to correct him.

We might very well go with pever; no reason not to pressure Insanious for a while as well. The round isn't just about who we lynch, it's also about who we pressure, and comparing and contrasting candidates.

I think this one is also questionable.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ugh out of town and posting on phone. No time to defend myself at length due to nye party. Investigator is lying. Last night I was investigating. As proof, my result was that sasaki is Rundas, GF survivalist. He can confirm this.

Tincow's own post indicates the decided-upon defense for this round.

The Dark Samus team is caught with their main investigator's pants down. They decide, as a group, that the defense used to keep Tincow from dying is to point out there is no way he was killing.

They do this in twofold fashion: Insanious points out he's missing from the writeup, and Tincow reveals a correct investigation result.


This was a bog-standard day one. If anything (barring two townies being dead instead of the more typical one), it was better than usual. There's a heck of a vote trail in the case that classical hero, ATPG, or anyone else ever in danger turns up mafia.

Where have you played mafia before?


Good god, why? What would he have to gain? Whatever else, Beskar himself is probably telling the truth about this.

See how Renata interacts with Insanious, and even reacts to Glenn's pressuring of Insanious, and plays the counterpoint to the other two mafiosi.

She suggests the results on Tincow are true; distancing tactic. But where is her vote on Tincow?



INACTIVE: ByzKnight (1st), dcmort (1st), Khazaar (1st), Renata (1st), Yaseikhaan (1st)

Nowhere.



Tincow, Renata, Insanious.

[pevergreen]

So I'm being lynched cause I stopped Reenk from breaking the rules?

kk.

[Secura]

So I'm being lynched cause I stopped Reenk from breaking the rules?

For what it's worth, I think the reasoning is just a stretch too far.

[Beskar]

It seems to me like he was telling the truth or something close to it. If anyone would have the power to copy abilities, it's Gandrayda

His claim was wrong though, as you will see end of game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is what I assumed at first UNTIL! I read the night post, and it doesn't seem like this holds water. For the reason that kid Iccarus (Pit) KNEW his killer. This to me screams that the killer is from the IDFH side of the universe (I assume its SSBB). Since Pit would not recognize his attacker if he was from the Metroid Universe, I do not think that Rundas was Pit's killer.

This is only assuming that I can read that much into the write up...

Gimme a break.

I wouldn't have even read that much into the write-up. I don't know of anyone who would have. No one but him did.

Either Insanious is the most gifted and talented write-up analyzer of all time.... OF ALL TIME.... or he knows exactly what the writeups mean, from an insider's point of view.

[pevergreen]

After talking with ATPG

Unvote, Vote: Insanious

[Askthepizzaguy]

There is a person out there who stole (literally stole) a specific ability from a specific player.

You will know which person you are, and which ability was stolen.

As mentioned in my Star Wars game (Drain Knowledge, the equivalent power) this power can be used to prove you were active and busy that night doing something besides killing.

If you reveal to me who you are, it will exonerate you of being Samus, Pikachu, and the other killer Dedede.

If you do not reveal to me, I will assume when I find you that you are mafia or otherwise malevolent.


edit- to clarify; I think the only evil person you could be is Beskar's unknown partner; the non-Samus partner. Hesitation to reveal, from my point of view, indicates that any loss of privacy would be game-losing for you, and I don't think that should be the case for an innocent.

[Winston Hughes]

I know we need to look at other suspects, and there's no sense killing the day with a single bandwagon. But please make sure that askthepizzaguy ends up dead at the end of it. If you think we can use him safely, you are gravely mistaken.

He knew full well that Beskar was scum, but was using him to advance his own interest. Sooner or later, at a time most convenient to him, pizza would have thrown Beskar to the mob anyway.

He will pull the same kind of stuff over and over, feeding the town just enough information to make him seem useful, and manipulating events so that lynching him never seems like the best option. And when it comes to the endgame, he'll have made sure there's one last scummer (or someone who can be painted as scum) alive to lynch instead of him.

Don't take the risk. Lynch askthepizzaguy today.


Not going to get a liar get away with talking nonsense to get me killed.

:laugh4: You still don't get it, do you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

He will pull the same kind of stuff over and over, feeding the town just enough information to make him seem useful, and manipulating events so that lynching him never seems like the best option. And when it comes to the endgame, he'll have made sure there's one last scummer (or someone who can be painted as scum) alive to lynch instead of him.

I could have left Beskar alive so he was lynched instead. I could have tried to randomly hit Samus myself, and accomplish my mission.

You still don't get it, do you?


He knew full well that Beskar was scum

No, I did not. I did think he was being manipulated by a scum, and then I thought he was third party.

I don't expect you to believe what I say, but it sucks that the only thing you know how to do with me is ignore me. You really shut off your own options.

How about commenting on Insanious, or pevergreen? You want to do the following:


I know we need to look at other suspects, and there's no sense killing the day with a single bandwagon. But please make sure that askthepizzaguy ends up dead at the end of it.

You want to make sure I am dead, while also pressuring other suspects. There is no pressure if they know the outcome.

[Choxorn]

Vote: Insanious

[Winston Hughes]

I could have left Beskar alive so he was lynched instead.

Yes, you could have done something that looked scummier. But you can only win here by pretending to be on the town's side.


I don't expect you to believe what I say, but it sucks that the only thing you know how to do with me is ignore me. You really shut off your own options.

I know that the only sensible thing to do with scum is to lynch them. The town is doing pretty well right now, but it'll be doing better once you're dead.


You want to make sure I am dead, while also pressuring other suspects. There is no pressure if they know the outcome.

But if nobody's calling for your head, then you'll never get lynched.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, you could have done something that looked scummier. But you can only win here by pretending to be on the town's side.

I'm not pretending. You have a dead Dark Samus and a Dead Shadow Peach.

I have Seon to thank for Dark Samus, and I honestly do have you to thank for Shadow Peach. It still bugs me a little that you were not the one leading the charge on Beskar as soon as you found out he could kill; but you're town, so what can I say.

The thing about townies is, sometimes they don't know a good thing when they see one.

Your pressure on Beskar forced him to admit to me he could kill; among other things. I changed my mind because I listened to you even when I thought you were scummy scummy scummy scum.

When Samus dies, and I promise, I'll make that happen ASAP, then kill me kill me kill me. I am NOT going for a last man standing survival victory. I am going for the Samus death by my hands primary victory.

I won't kill unless with town approval. I won't live more than a few more rounds. I can be lynched when you lack suspects. I can investigate. I am not even asking to survive that long.

You are shooting yourself in the foot, tbh.


I know that the only sensible thing to do with scum is to lynch them. The town is doing pretty well right now, but it'll be doing better once you're dead.

You know what else you can do with scum? Get them to kill each other off. Especially if you ARE doing well.


But if nobody's calling for your head, then you'll never get lynched.

I don't know if you've noticed, but everyone says I need to die soon. Soon doesn't need to be right now, but I doubt anyone's definition of soon means 7 rounds from now.

I bet you if I go a full day and night without smashing some mafia's head in, they'll call for my lynch. I'll regurgitate and then eat my hat again.

[Winston Hughes]

When Samus dies, and I promise, I'll make that happen ASAP, then kill me kill me kill me. I am NOT going for a last man standing survival victory. I am going for the Samus death by my hands primary victory.

I won't kill unless with town approval. I won't live more than a few more rounds. I can be lynched when you lack suspects. I can investigate. I am not even asking to survive that long.

I don't believe that you will sign your own death warrant by giving us Samus, and I am quite certain that you are lying about your victory conditions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Better get your popcorn ready.



http://www.giantsfootballblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/get-your-popcorn-ready.jpg

[classical_hero]

I know we need to look at other suspects, and there's no sense killing the day with a single bandwagon. But please make sure that askthepizzaguy ends up dead at the end of it. If you think we can use him safely, you are gravely mistaken.

He knew full well that Beskar was scum, but was using him to advance his own interest. Sooner or later, at a time most convenient to him, pizza would have thrown Beskar to the mob anyway.

He will pull the same kind of stuff over and over, feeding the town just enough information to make him seem useful, and manipulating events so that lynching him never seems like the best option. And when it comes to the endgame, he'll have made sure there's one last scummer (or someone who can be painted as scum) alive to lynch instead of him.

Don't take the risk. Lynch askthepizzaguy today.



:laugh4: You still don't get it, do you?
About ATPG, the results speak for themselves, he has been able to catch two mafia with what he is doing and one of them was Dark Samus, so he is most defintely been very useful for the town. I am sure that we as the town can still have some control over who he kills, but of course we do know that he kills and that is a bit of worry which is why I understand your worries about him. But it does seem that Insanious has something to hide, so he needs to speak out of forever hold his peace.

[Winston Hughes]

He's scum. He's spent the whole game working with scum. His claimed victory conditions are too convenient to be believable. And he knows I've got his number.

That's why, just like Beskar, he resorts to mockery - the last refuge of the scumbag.

Edit: Oh, and don't let him pretend that discussing him for the lynch means we can't chase other suspects.

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's scum. He's spent the whole game working with scum. His claimed victory conditions are too convenient to be believable. And he knows I've got his number. That's why, just like Beskar, he resorts to mockery.

No way dude. I haven't been mocking you, I've been responding to your points seriously.

Everything I did, from the very first moment I contacted you, until now, was to try to get you to listen to me, and talk to me. I didn't want to kill you; I wanted to see if there was something you could tell me that would convince me you were worth keeping around.

Had your response been: "I stole Plasma Cannon, from Beskar. I think he's scum" I would have asked Beskar if this were true; which in fact I did, when it was Beskar who was the one who told me you made that allegation. I still asked him if it was true. After some screwing around, he admitted it.

It was then that I asked for his whole story; I already knew he had ties to a likely Samus mafioso, with his detective, and now a killing power too? He fed me a nice story about him being a mason team with an investigator. It was quite creative.

One of the two of you were lying; I felt it was you because of your behavior, your hesitation, your generalities. And Beskar, well.... what scum does what he did so soon? Well I was wrong. And, by questioning you, I figured it out in time to stop a bad move and start a good one. And that all happened when you finally stopped being stubborn and actually treated my questions with respect.

I've already given you credit for being right on Beskar. So much so, that I risked my head, shattered a pseudoalliance (one based on lies) with the Samus team and angried up a good friend of mine, just because I liked your answers and I disliked his.

You're fine to be suspicious, and you're doing your duty to be vigilant. But please, don't act like I've mistreated you. What happened last night was a sign of great respect for you, NOT mockery.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm not offended in the slightest. The fact you're resorting to mockery (the popcorn thing being the most recent example) just tells me that I'm getting it right.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not offended in the slightest. The fact you're resorting to mockery (the popcorn thing being the most recent example) just tells me that I'm getting it right.

The popcorn thing was a joke... you were in disbelief about what I claimed I was going to do, and I responded with a well-known reference to something said by a famous football player who was being braggadocious (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/21226812/).

I think you very much misconstrue my intentions there.

This is all beside the point anyway. You've got your mind made up, and a closed mind is incapable of listening.

I'll do this with or without you. Sorry you feel that way.

[Winston Hughes]

Sorry you feel that way.

:laugh4: I'm sure you are.

[Diamondeye]

I like the case on Insanious; I think there's a good chance that he's scum. In fact, if we end up lynching someone who isn't Pizza or Insanious, I'd like to ask Pizza to eat him...

But we need other suspects than those two; we know there are members of both scumsquads out there still. I can't help but look at Beefy's noncommitting posts when the Dark Samus team was being trawled up. I think that's worth my vote:Beefy187 for now, at least. Wasn't he also one of the people mentioned in RR's "voting block"-schtick?

[God Emperor]

I think that following up on the case on Insanious is the right thing :) , so Vote: Insanious

[classical_hero]

@DiamondEye, what's your beef with beefy? Sorry I could not resist that one.

I thin right now there is only one good lead right now, so vote:Insanious

[classical_hero]

@Chaotix, can you have the player list to reflect who has replaced who, to make understanding the roles better from what the previous player was reacting, just in case one of the happened to be scum, unlikely as it is.

I just did not want to edit a post with a vote, hence this new one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's enough votes on Insanious; we want to be able to reverse it if necessary.

I need sleep, please talk about other suspects.

[Romanic]

Diamondeye is not Samus, Pikachu, or King Dedede.

Must I remind you of what you wrote yesterday?

<snip>

I can prove that Beskar isn't Samus, or aligned with Samus. Beyond that I have no idea right now.

I think his lead on Winston is correct; I ask you to trust me on that. If it is not, I really have no hesitation with lynching Beskar tomorrow.

This is stuff that I do not think should be delayed; but at the same time, whoever Beskar is, it's not Samus, and I can prove it.

We know today that you were probably wrong. It appears that Beskar was Samus-aligned.

I am not, unlike others (Hi Sasaki!), ready to accept this at face value. I want to know how you conclude that Diamondeye is not one of the three roles that you listed.

[Romanic]

I don't know who to vote for at the moment, and ATPG doesn't want more vote on Insanious anyway.

But I know where I can lay a good vote, temporarily, if not permanently.

vote: Askthepizzaguy :grin:

It can't be a bad idea to have some votes on him, if we decide he has to go.

[Jarema]

I believe that Insanious is a scum. Perfect Information Syndrome is a potent clue.
But, since I understand why it could be beneficial not to have too big wagon on him, I will vote on my second target.
For the reasons I explained earlier (fear, mostly) I vote: ATPG

[Romanic]

There is a person out there who stole (literally stole) a specific ability from a specific player.

You will know which person you are, and which ability was stolen.

If I had a power to steal abilities from other players, I know who I would target. What a better target than a bad dragon who claimed neutral party and a kill ability? :applause:

[Yaropolk]

Let's not forget about this important thread of investigation - nobody has followed up on it after the morning's events. If you recall, Beskar was aware of Reenk Roink's voting block even though he wasn't on the invite.


According to Ironside in this post:





This PM was sent out to:
Ironside
Beefy187
pevergreen
Renata




Renata was Dark Samus, so she could not have leaked to Beskar. That leaves Reenk himself (confirmed dead townie) or one of the other 3.

So, one of Ironside, Beefy, or pevergreen knew who Beskar was on N1. My analysis is as follows:


Ironside - On one hand gave us the full clarity into details of voting block, on the other hand, could be WIFOM.

pevergreen - he has been active and contributing posts, but I haven't seen anything concrete from him to help the town. Could be a sign of a mafia who's avoiding being a lurker.

Beefy - Has been lurking like a bandit this game, on the other hand some people here are charmed by ACIN/Csargo/Beefy style of silliness for whatever reason.


I'd like to see all three of the suspects reveal their roles and actions to date. I am more suspicious of pever / beefy than of Ironside as he did the full reveal on the voting block to the whole town.

Vote: pevergreen

[Romanic]

Beefy, ATPG and Glenn, were all left hanging in a 3-way tie at 4 votes on Day 2, before it was extended. It's a sign that each of them does not have teammates, specially not on the Bowser team who was full at the time, or they would have placed a vote to change the tally.

So it's doubtful that Beefy leaked the info to Beskar.

[TinCow]

About ATPG, the results speak for themselves, he has been able to catch two mafia with what he is doing and one of them was Dark Samus, so he is most defintely been very useful for the town.

Ahem, ATPG did not catch Corrupted Peach. ATPG fought it as hard as he could, even when it was clearly futile. The person who nailed Beskar was Winston Hughes and only Winston Hughes. Give respect where respect is due.

[Yaropolk]

Beefy, ATPG and Glenn, were all left hanging in a 3-way tie at 4 votes on Day 2, before it was extended. It's a sign that each of them does not have teammates, specially not on the Bowser team who was full at the time, or they would have placed a vote to change the tally.

So it's doubtful that Beefy leaked the info to Beskar.

Very good point, almost forgot about that. LYNCH PEVERGREEN!

[Romanic]

The tally so far.

5 Insanious (ATPG, pevergreen, choxorn, God Emperor, classical_hero)
2 pevergreen (Csargo, Yaropolk)
2 ATPG (Romanic, Jarema)
1 Diamondeye (woad&fangs)
1 Beefy (Diamondeye)
--
20 not voting (everyone else)

[classical_hero]

Ahem, ATPG did not catch Corrupted Peach. ATPG fought it as hard as he could, even when it was clearly futile. The person who nailed Beskar was Winston Hughes and only Winston Hughes. Give respect where respect is due.
Well he could have still tried to kill Winston, but he killed Beskar, so he does deserve some credit for removing a scum, even if he had to be prodded into doing so.

[Yaropolk]

What's the case on Insaneous? I read he had perfect info syndrome, but what was the context on that? I'm pleased with ATPG's results so far, but we have to be very careful to let a third party guide the town's voting.

[pevergreen]

28/12:


So, should we just play by ourselves this game? Or something akin to the Pirate Ship game.


As long as it's not in quote tags, it's allowed, yes.

I know all about peverreenk of course.

Talking about private reveals.

Its up to you buddy, I won't hold it against you if you wanna play solo.

:bow:

I will have to wait and see my role. :beam: I'll want to play in a group of course, seeing as I will have less and less time for this game as January progresses, but it depends on what I get.

We hadn't even got role PMs.

From there, it went to the voting block, then when that was against the rules, it would have gone back to peverreenk, but he died.

All I wanted was to play a game with Reenk, during the short time he had to play. If his death has been avenged, I don't care anymore.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ahem, ATPG did not catch Corrupted Peach. ATPG fought it as hard as he could, even when it was clearly futile. The person who nailed Beskar was Winston Hughes and only Winston Hughes. Give respect where respect is due.

I know, right :laugh4:

It's as I predicted.

Pizza was going to be lynched if renata didn't get lynched, and he most likely knew beskar was mafia from that round on but tried to save him.

That's a huge discredit to the insanious wagon right there.

pevergreen is by far the best lead, and is trying to shrug off suspicion. There are definite signs of him being linked to beskar. He said he had a private discussion with pizza and then voted insanious, that's a pretty big :laugh4: since pever was the other lynch candidate at that point and was probably going to go for him anyway. Private convo leads to the possibility that they are working together now.

Also, pizza says he's going after someone he believes to be pikachu but I thought his claimed victory condition was supposed to be something about getting samus at all costs.

Pizza should be lynched today. pever tomorrow.

Diamondeye information is possibly suspect as well, thanks romanic.

[Yaropolk]

Pevergreen has privately claimed his name, alignment, and power to me. I would like to see a message from Beefy and from Ironside with the same.

I will post what has been claimed to me before EOD to let the town make the best choice. If any of the three claim a powerful pro-town role, I will not reveal it but will ask Seon to arrange for an investigation.

For now Unvote: pevergreen; vote: beefy

Alive folks, please help me drive the point home by putting some pressure on Beefy and Ironside.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

"Jill Valentine, Hero faction, powerful pro town" --beskar, 2010

[Yaropolk]

We currently have a protector in Capt'n Falcon and investigator in Seon. Unless one of the reveals is equally dangerous for the mafia to know, I'm going to post it here. Beskar never claimed a power as Jill Valentine as far as I know. All the Heros I have spoken to thus far have claimed to have some sort of power. So Hero w/out a power will be suspicious

[Frozen In Ice]

I'd also like to point out that Insanious was one of the early voters of Tincow despite his post saying he didn't trust Beskar's investigator. I think we should also take a good look at the Nictel bandwagon and compare it to the ATPG wagon on the day Renata was lynched. I'm confident the other Phazon partner will show up in these wagons somewhere. The Samus mafia probably left some traces of themselves in there too.

[Reenk Roink]

Well, despite Secura's warning the town is doing the exact same thing they've always done. :juggle2:

On the voting block leak to Beskar, we can't reveal anything new but I feel I will summarize what is already in the thread:

I sent initial PMs to the players listed in the thread, and by inference from the later PM posted, the 6 were: TinCow, Renata, Secura, pevergreen, Beefy, Ironside.

TinCow did not want to join from the start because he didn't want to be told how to vote (of course that's not what was going on anyway... :rolleyes:), Secura was cautious from the start. The other 4 were on board. pever then pointed out that Chaotix clarified his collaboration rule, and because of that, the group was put on hold. I died before it could be revitalized due to Chaotix's amended stance.

There is nothing to suggest participation or lack thereof is any indicator of guilt here. You've all seen the (exoteric) plan behind this block, what suggests that it may be a hamper to any Mafia, in fact it seems like it would provide a screen for a bit. Therefore, Sasaki's case that pever wanted to get out of the group to do Mafia things is absolute crap. He's thinking like he did in Shadow Fort or Atpg did in Capo III, and with different circumstances too (protection and vig group participation is more telling than voting participation). Renata seemed to be very fine in playing along as a counterpoint. The case on pever (or Beefy or Ironside) needs to come from elsewhere, as I will hint to a LITTLE below in the Yaropolk quote.

Anyway, as for who did leak to Beskar, myself, Secura, and TinCow cannot say anymore, and I'm pretty sure pever, Beefy, and Ironside will now say no given who Beskar was and the evil he spread.

My guess is still TinCow, based on his post after Beskar told him why he was scanned. It also could be Renata for that matter. I'm pretty sure neither TinCow nor Renata had any idea who Beskar was that early in the game. I believe Secura in that she didn't blab to Beskar until after the fact. That leaves Beefy, pever, and Ironside. All possibilities but I still think TinCow is the best suspect, with Renata second. GOOD JOB! :laugh4:

Oh, it also leaves me, but come on. :rolleyes: If I didn't PM from the start I wasn't going to talk to you in private. gg no re


Pevergreen has privately claimed his name, alignment, and power to me. I would like to see a message from Beefy and from Ironside with the same.

Who the **** are you to demand this? Not even a public reveal but a private reveal. Beefy and Ironside don't make the same mistake pever did. Though pever it does seem with this move that you are trying to save yourself... Start lynching the 'heroes' or people closely working with them if they get bossy like this, they're probably infiltrated already judging by how easy it is to divert their wrath, so it is a (particularly aggressive) form of damage control.


case on Insanious

The case on Insanious is bad (be ready to thicken your skin here Atpg, and if you want to respond to it respond to it itself, and not me again :rolleyes:, though you know I like to spar :wink:). Essentially, you are claiming that he knew certain things like knowing that TinCow wasn't a killer. However, it seems very plausible that he was reading the writeups VERY carefully, a plausibility you bring up but also don't pay attention to. You seem to discard this plausibility because you have this assumption that new Org players don't really do this. Well, I've been playing since 2006 on the Org and have seen a ton of new players come in their first game and meticulously scrutinize the writeup, so I see nothing odd about Insanious. Seems like he likes these old school nintendo games. :beam:

I do agree with your classification of Insanious as somewhat nervous in his posts. Not to the degree you say, but I can see it myself here unlike the Nictel thing. The Renata interaction however simply is off, it doesn't seem like anything different from Renata talking to others. Given that your case is heavily invested in Insanious being a Phazon, the two factors of him knowing about Cloud Strife and the Renata interaction are critical to your case, and I am calling them into question. Merely being a bit nervous only warrants a closer investigation at this point, not a bandwagon lynch.

[Yaropolk]

Who the **** are you to demand this? Not even a public reveal but a private reveal. Beefy and Ironside don't make the same mistake pever did. Though pever it does seem with this move that you are trying to save yourself...

Did I hear a ghost whispering...nah must've been the wind. I'm a live townie, thank you very much. Anyway Ironside gave me his role as well. As soon as Beefster gives me his, I'll post all three. Please join me in putting some pressure on Sir-Beef-Alot

[Reenk Roink]

Did I hear a ghost whispering...nah must've been the wind. I'm a live townie, thank you very much. Anyway Ironside gave me his role as well. As soon as Beefster gives me his, I'll post all three. Please join me in putting some pressure on Sir-Beef-Alot

Oh, it's over for you now...

[Yaropolk]

I don't remember posting this

https://i52.tinypic.com/2agn95g.jpg

[Sasaki Kojiro]

More votes on pizza for now.

[Romanic]

Alright, let's pressure Beefy.

unvote; vote: Beefy

[Reenk Roink]

Wow, major fos on Ironside... Why do I always mingle with the Mafia? Why do you guys never recruit me? :cry:

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Romanic- The person who was attacked twice last night told me that the player in question was inactive.

That is how I arrived at such conclusions; ask him yourself.



@ Reenk- I'm not really surprised you disagree to a certain extent. :beam: But my pride is not wounded.

However, I think the main point of my case has some merit. During that round, the Dark Samus team decided how they were going to treat the case on Tincow; they did not want to lose him that early, and there was even a chance to save him from death.

The coordinated action, it appears, between Tincow and Insanious to both point out that Tincow could not have been killing, is the smoking gun.

More interesting side data is how Renata interacted with Insanious. But that's not the point, nor is it entirely the point that he knew much from the writeups.

I think that his pointing out of the case on Tincow being wrong PLUS the fact that he knew so much about the writeups tends to indicate he has inside information.

Do you completely disagree with that point; I know coincidences can be coincidences but sometimes they're also the smoking gun.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Jarema I want a response to my PM immediately, or I am switching my vote.

[Romanic]

:laugh4: What's the dragon up to now?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, pizza says he's going after someone he believes to be pikachu but I thought his claimed victory condition was supposed to be something about getting samus at all costs.

Yeah. In Capo III I just wanted the commies dead, but you know who the town wanted dead: the mafia. I ended up attacking more mafia than commies with my commie-hunting power. I even put off killing Chaotix so we could make doctors for the town based on my killing and failing to kill my final mission objective. I do similar stuff all the time, especially when neutral.

In the Parasite game, I could have left when I found the exit. I stayed and helped destroy the Parasite team and died. No one killed more Parasites than I did. I lost the game.

Last night, I attacked someone I knew wasn't Samus because that's who the town would have wanted me to attack.

Sometimes I do things for the glory. For the lols. For the fun of it.

I remember a long time ago a certain Sasaki Kojiro told me that I needed to just enjoy the game, and not be so wound up in winning or losing, or words to that effect. I think I got that point and took it to heart.

I still like to win, but I like to win with style. With grace. This guy hath indeed, a funny face.

[Frozen In Ice]

Jarema sounds like he's worth looking into. Vote: Jarema Just a little extra incentive to cooperate.

[Skooma Addict]

Vote: Jarema

[Greyblades]

Wait, did I miss something, whats this about jarema?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wait, did I miss something, whats this about jarema?


I have a scan result on him that I'd like him to clarify. Others are in agreement on it.

It can be explained; it's not a slam dunk. I still need to hear the explanation.





edit: Interested to know how I got the pizza guy to display?

Go to Settings
Go to Edit Profile Picture
and see Option 2- upload image from your computer
Or use Option 1 to upload from an image hosting site.


Edit: I have to go to work. My vote stays where it is; I'd prefer to lynch Insanious over Jarema given lack of cooperation/information from both, and the behavioral clues from Insanious which are harder to explain.

I will be following up on either of these with a scan or vig attack tonight, unless warned otherwise.

[Greyblades]

Oh ok just seemed odd that with all thats happened in the last turn the town was now going after some poxy lurker.

Am I allowed to say poxy here? Eh, it probably doesnt matter.

Edit: yeah I know about the avatars.

[ByzantineKnight]

I totally don't get the case on Jarema except for a vague feeling of scumminess (but with my track record so far thats more of a sign of innocence than guilt)

Vote: Romanic because he seems to be a respectable townie

[Skooma Addict]

I don't know if I believe this "Investigator":

1st killer = Samus
2nd killer = Seems to me like Pikachu, but no idea... there's only one episode with a blue eye'd pikachu... well a Mewtwo controlled Pikachu...
3rd killer = Someone with red eyes, and kills with cold
4th killer = Dark Samus

Cloud Strife is neither: Tiny and uses lightning, nor does cloud kill with cold...

Either:

1) Inverstigator is fibbing
2) Investigation result is wrong
3) Corrupted Cloud Strife kills by freezing people and is from Kid Icarus' LP
4) Corrupted Cloud Strike is tiny and kills people with lightning

To me, just doesn't seem to fit any of the 4 killers last night, might just be me.

Edit: just changed "dark cloud strife" to "corrupted cloud strife"
I don't like Insanious as much as I did before after reading over his earlier posts again. There's nothing here that anyone with knowledge of the characters in question wouldn't be able to surmise. I did. The FF character known as Cloud doesn't fit any of the killers description that particular night phase, and where there's phazon, there will be Samus. Pikachu was easy enough to figure out, although it may just be my righteous hatred of that foul creature that made him clear to see to me. My suspicions on Insanious were due to a feeling in my tummy I got when I read his response when he was prodded. (post) (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132167-Council-of-Villains-A-State-of-Corruption-In-play&p=2053241474&highlight=#post2053241474) After posting such a well formulated conclusion of that write up stating that cloud was not one of the killers, quite literally in his very next post, he votes for TinCow. When TinCow announced someone who voted for him would die, he used it as an opportunity to unvote him. Perhaps as a vehicle in which he could unvote his hopelessly bandwagoned scum buddy, or perhaps out of genuine fear assuming he is a survivalist. His activity has also declined a bit after the first two day phases. Felt off to me and still does, however I would like to look at Jarema a little bit more.


I believe that Insanious is a scum. Perfect Information Syndrome is a potent clue.
But, since I understand why it could be beneficial not to have too big wagon on him, I will vote on my second target.
For the reasons I explained earlier (fear, mostly) I vote: ATPG

He says he believes Insanious is scum due to PIS, but instead votes to ATPG, the man who has brought forward the PIS case on Insanious.

Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?132167-Council-of-Villains-A-State-of-Corruption-In-play&p=2053243484&viewfull=1#post2053243484)

he states that he does not mind letting ATPG do the "dirty work" but when ATPG offers a case on someone he himself finds scummy, it's time to vote him off. It gave me the impression that he's more afraid of pizza, a known sk who can't murder anyone without alerting the town, instead of someone he himself said must be mafia. Just feels funny to me.

I will say to Jarema's credit, he has offered reservations about trusting the pizza dude and has made them quite clear, but to give credence to him(perhaps unknowingly?) and in the very same breath vote for him felt wrong in some way.

Now it's time for me to go back to my hidey hole. :curtain:

[Secura]

For what it's worth, I think you're being led around the houses here; by stating that he was aware of the voting block before I told him about it (after Reenk died), it makes it look as though someone leaked the information to Beskar and thus makes you guys waste a lynch or two on players that might well be townies.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Romanic because he seems to be a respectable townie

:stare: :stare: :stare:


Vote for pizza rather than random cases. He does need to be lynched.

[Seon]

:stare: :stare: :stare:


Vote for pizza rather than random cases. He does need to be lynched.

Bringley Bringley Beep!

Master Pizza has left a message for me to be delivered to Master Kojiro.

ATPG's Voice: Papa Pizza is at work and predicted you'd say that

[Greyblades]

Vote: Romanic because he seems to be a respectable townie

And thats a better reason, because?...

[johnhughthom]

Vote: khaan

You alive?

[Insanious]

Alright, so... been gone for a bit (bit being 2 days). Come back to see me being bandwaggoned for what I posted at the start of the game... really the arguments are pretty weak:

1) ATPG is arguing that I am scum because I looked too much into the write up, and "knew" that TinCow did not kill.

Well, since the only games that I've read on .Org are the Star Wars ones, specifically YOUR Starwars game... and guess what, in YOUR write ups you put in light saber colours as well as abilities and stances as a way for the Town to try and rule out mafia. So I took YOUR advice from the end of the Star Wars mafia, to look more into the write ups, and I looked here.

Guess what I didn't see in the write up... someone killing someone else with a Sword aka. Cloud. So, I posted that Cloud was not one of the killers, and he wasn't. Basic knowledge of vintage video games will tell you this. Me, I come from teamliquid.net a gaming website based around SC and SC2... but I mostly hang around the gaming section of the forums, and there are A LOT of threads about vintage video games and pokemon... heck, there is even a competitive SSBB scene. So I took my knowledge and applied it here.

2) You stated that I was experienced, but not at .Org, so I wouldn't be posting like I do unless I am scum.

Just to be fair, this is my 3rd mafia game I've played in total, and have read 3 other games of mafia. Two from .Org... So no, not experienced, I have no idea what I'm doing, but thx for the compliment. (Mainly wanted to throw out the "could be one of the best players on .org" well... maybe I am, once I get more experience.

3) You talk about an interaction with TinCow and Renata...

There wasn't one, TinCow saw me saying Corrupted Cloud didn't kill anyone and tried to aid a defender... why wouldn't he? He gets free defense from a town, and if he doesn't die, but I do and flip town, he looks less like a red. If he dies, and flips red, then this happens and one more town dies.

Renata, I don't think I even talked to Renata and Renata just quoted me / responded to me... again, using me to defend TinCow.

4) I'm scum because I jumped off of the TinCow lynch

Surprise surprise, I am a survivalist... so if I die, I don't win the game with the town. The whole point of the game is to win, why stay on the bandwagon for a deadman if it has a chance to kill me? Every town should be trying to stay alive #1 objective, #2 is to kill mafia... because unlike in a normal game, killing mafia but dying means you lose... but the mafia doesn't 100% lose.

So the best way to win, is to find mafia, and then get others to vote for them... I was one of the first ones to vote TinCow, I waited until the numbers on the bandwagon got high enough it was irreversible, then I switched off so I had a higher chance of winning the game.

Btw, Vote ATPG as much as I don't want to kill ATPG yet, he is the one with the 2nd highest amount of votes...

[Beskar]

I can say... [snip]

No you can't.

[Secura]

*deleted message*

[thefluffyone93]

I think you'll find I already said it. :P

http://29.media.tumblr.com/TbiOhUikSkfrvm7vyTIiqoi1o1_500.jpg

[Beskar]

I think you'll find I already said it. :P

If you come in contact with any information like that due to out of game sources when you are dead, for example, you have to remove yourself from the game and don't contribute to it, as it is unfair and unsportsmanlike, with it falling under meta-gaming.

[Secura]

*deleted message*

[Beskar]

I've already stated it's not going to be revealed by me; I'm merely suggesting... [snip]

Which in itself in against the rules and spirit of the game? Don't be lame. If you ever get access to any sort of information which compromises any impartiality, you say nothing at all, no influence in the game itself. Ziltch, zit, nada. Coming in contact with any meta-game material when dead forfeits your right to contribute as it heavily unbalances the game.

[Winston Hughes]

I agree with Beskar. :dizzy2:

[Secura]

Fine, it's gone now; good luck to the town. :bow:

[thefluffyone93]

ANYWAYS.....
who are the suspects again?

[Beefy187]

Killing returnees or new comers is not my playing style.
Reason of my lurking/scummy behavior was trying to pull off something which failed. Now I'm lurking because you people talk too much and I have nothing else to say. I've already revealed my role to pevergreen and ATPG, and I don't plan to reveal to any more players.

I think it will be more useful for the towns and for my self if I don't reveal my self for now.

[Greyblades]

Which in itself in against the rules and spirit of the game? Don't be lame. If you ever get access to any sort of information which compromises any impartiality, you say nothing at all, no influence in the game itself. Ziltch, zit, nada. Coming in contact with any meta-game material when dead forfeits your right to contribute as it heavily unbalances the game.

Et tu besk.

[Beefy187]

ANYWAYS.....
who are the suspects again?

Insanious, ATPG and I :curtain:

[thefluffyone93]

Well, I'll just play Black Ops and reserve my judgement for now while people argue who to lynch.

[Chaotix]

This round is ending in three hours at 11:00 PM EST.

Just to clarify.

[thefluffyone93]

oops.
Whats the tally?

[Insanious]

Unvote ATPG
Vote Beefy So, I guess I kind of have to...

5 Insanious (ATPG, pevergreen, choxorn, God Emperor, classical_hero)
1 pevergreen (Csargo)
1 ATPG (Jarema)
1 Diamondeye (woad&fangs)
4 Beefy (Diamondeye, yaropolk, Romanic, Insanious)
2 Jarema (Frozen in Ice, Skooma Addict)
1 Romanic (ByzantineKnight)
1 Khaan (johnhughthom)

Btw, why the numbers are all messed up, is I just took the last tally and then went at it, didn't sort the tally.

[thefluffyone93]

Vote: Beefy

[Romanic]

I voted Beefy to help Yaropolk pressure him, but as I said, I don't think he has any teamate because of the 3-way tie.

unvote; vote: ATPG

Even if he's been helpful, he has to go eventually, and today is a good time to do it since we don't have a good case on anyone.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We have no solid suspect ERGO WE LYNCH PIZZA, THE CONFIRMED SK. This is simple.

[Captain Blackadder]

VOTE atpg

Currently there are no other suspects thus Pizzaguy must die since he most certainly has his own agenda.

[Insanious]

Unvote beefy
Vote ATPG

[thefluffyone93]

Oh pooh pooh.
Unvote; Vote: Insanious
ATPG is willing to help us for the time being, so why not take advantage of that?

[Yaropolk]

I have not been able to get a roleclaim from beefy, but every time i contact someone they tell me ATPG is already in contact with them. Although I am glad for his help thus far, I think is network has gone too far. Romanic is right, beefy would not have been in 3 way tie if he was on bowser team, so I'll oblige and vote for ATPG tonight. I'm still double checking claims from iron and pever and will let the town know what i found hopefully later today.

unvote: beefy; vote: atpg

[Insanious]

Alright... so since no one is letting me live apparently, I might as well reveal.

I am... Ness IDFH survivalist I am the roleblocker from the night 1 write up.

I role blocked greyblades night 1, Diamondeyes night 2, and no one night 3 (I missed it, was partying after work and forgot to post).

As well, I was Agent Thrust Masterson... if you really want me to post my PM from TinCow I can...

Now, if anyone is here, they can either:

1) Let me die

or

2) Let me live, at least till the night where I'll get night killed, but at least I can roleblock 1 more person.

Edited: Edited for green colour

[Skooma Addict]

We have no solid suspect ERGO WE LYNCH PIZZA, THE CONFIRMED SK. This is simple.

As was his request:
Papa Pizza is at work and predicted you'd say that!

[Beskar]

We have no solid suspect ERGO WE LYNCH PIZZA, THE CONFIRMED SK. This is simple.

Who actually believed Pizza's story anyway? I didn't, but then, I didn't need to lynch him either.


As was his request:
Papa Pizza is at work and predicted you'd say that!

I could have told you that. :tongue:

[thefluffyone93]

GAR THIS IS TOO CONFUSING.
Unvote; Vote: Abstain

[Insanious]

GAR THIS IS TOO CONFUSING.
Unvote; Vote: Abstain

Your killing me here... litterally.

[Greyblades]

I'm torn, Pizza is a self professed serieal killer and definitely has his own agenda... yet I kinda like enemy of my enemy situations.
Gah screw it, I still owe pizza for noble sons and insanious roleblocked me earlier; vote: insanious

[thefluffyone93]

Your killing me here... litterally.
http://www.portalprelude.com/images/news/dude-wait-what.jpg