Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[Romanic]

This is a weak argument. If fluffy had named suspects and tried to save himself he would have been lynched anyway for acting out of character and trying to hard to not get lynched. It was an easy bandwagon and a lot of people jumped onto it.
I disagree - It would have been a bad argument to accuse Fluffy of being out of character if he was only responding to the pressure. Most players are forced out of their usual style when votes are piling on them, they have to.

[Believer]

Everything else that was posted against me is bogus.

This will only be believed by those who were too tired or unwilling to read our exchange. Obvious scum is obvious.

[Tratorix]

I disagree - It would have been a bad argument to accuse Fluffy of being out of character if he was only responding to the pressure. Most players are forced out of their usual style when votes are piling on them, they have to.

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this, as arguing over hypotheticals won't really help anything.

People who voted for fluffy last round:

Earthling, SoulBlade, Khazaar, TLD, GH, Romanic, Johnhughthom, Double A.

People Who voted for God Emporer when he was lynched:

Zack, Renata, Beskar, Earthling, Khazaar, Warman, glyphz, DIY, Capt Blackadder, Ironside, JHT, classical, Riedquat

Overlap: Johnhughthom, Earthling

[Romanic]

I said he has a point. I didn't say I thought fluffy was lynch-worthy.

EDIT: And Romanic, you voted fluffy because he "wasn't looking for scum", which you are also guilty for. What else would you call starting an easy bandwagon on someone for being silly, who you admit you don't necessarily think is scum?
Well, you may think that I am not looking for scum, but in my opinion, I am (and I've explained this in my previous answer to you).

Also, I am pretty sure that I never "admitted" that "I don't necessarily think Fluffy is scum". Don't put words in my mouth please. :smug2:.

Of course I thought, and I still think, that Fluffy could be scum, since the writeup did not give us a clue about his true identity.

[TheLastDays]

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this, as arguing over hypotheticals won't really help anything.

People who voted for fluffy last round:

Earthling, SoulBlade, Khazaar, TLD, GH, Romanic, Johnhughthom, Double A.

People Who voted for God Emporer when he was lynched:

Zack, Renata, Beskar, Earthling, Khazaar, Warman, glyphz, DIY, Capt Blackadder, Ironside, JHT, classical, Riedquat

Overlap: Johnhughthom, Earthling

As I have already stated on some occasions, Earthling seems off to me but being on both wagons is not strong evidence for that. As Mafia I would have jumped one of them and avoided the other.

[TheLastDays]

This will only be believed by those who were too tired or unwilling to read our exchange. Obvious scum is obvious.

Yea sure. You are either scum, in which case I will bring you down, this I swear. No matter if I get killed in the process. Or you are town and you will realise your mistake at some point, hopefully before khaan posts the game result. But let me say it again: Please post valid points that can be responded too, everything else will make me think the former about you is correct and if you are town I don't want to spend time hunting for you.

[Secura]

vote: White Eyes

[Believer]

Yea sure. You are either scum, in which case I will bring you down, this I swear. No matter if I get killed in the process. Or you are town and you will realise your mistake at some point, hopefully before khaan posts the game result. But let me say it again: Please post valid points that can be responded too, everything else will make me think the former about you is correct and if you are town I don't want to spend time hunting for you.

This is either a very clever joke that doesn't make me laugh or a horrible attempt at a defense.

We've already been through all this and you had no defense for the accusations, why do you persist there is no case?

[Yaropolk]

vote atpg

[Beskar]

ooc: Hey all, not had opportunity to follow the game but awesome write ups, khaan.
An update on my situation, doing some last minute changes where i will visit Malmo then onwards towards Copenhagen before flying back on Sunday afternoon.

vote:Beskar for running off to Denmark.

[woad&fangs]

vote: Askthepizzaguy
I will be in Austin, Texas this week at an ecology conference. I should be able to keep up with the thread and vote but don't expect any speedy replies out of me.

[dcmort93]

vote: Askthepizzaguy
I will be in Austin, Texas this week at an ecology conference. I should be able to keep up with the thread and vote but don't expect any speedy replies out of me.I wouldn't be too keen on that. The heat may melt your computer\phone (or you) and the bats may try to fly away with it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: Askthepizzaguy
I will be in Austin, Texas this week at an ecology conference. I should be able to keep up with the thread and vote but don't expect any speedy replies out of me.

If I get lynched, make sure woadANDfangs gets lynched next round, as my final request.

None of that "lynch khaan, lynch khaan, lynch khaan, lynch khaan, lynch khaan, oh look khaan was scum. Why'd you leave him alive?" (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136560-The-Rise-and-Fall-of-Vespasian-Concluded)

Just kill him and be done with it. That's all I ask.

Remember Kagemusha in Animus. Just kill who I say.

[Seon]

Unvote, Vote: Woad&fangs.

It's a fair lead enough for me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll go ahead and claim just so people have full information for this lynch:

I am a basic nothing townie. I have nothing on woad&fangs other than my own random pick and stubborn streak; didn't like his bandwagon on me is all. Otherwise I wouldn't have even pressed him harder than a reasonless vote this round.

If you want to lynch me first, or wait for woad to claim, or whatever, that's fine. I just don't like people voting for me. :wink:

[Visor]

That was a good game. :D

Good luck town. :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also, Earthling just invaded my mailbox pressing me for information.

I don't like that either. I just claimed publicly; that's all you'll get from me.

[Earthling]

I sent you a message before you posted any of this and I'd say you're just wasting your time. You're not even in real danger of getting lynched yet this Blood Vengeance thing you're insisting on shouldn't be done that way and helps nobody. I agree that as far as I know there is nothing between you and woad that matters in this feud, except that you're in the way of pursuing preferred suspects for the lynch.

[glyphz]

*sigh*:stwmean:
If I knew that this unjustified persecution (aka wagon) would persist into the next phase then Id have helped town out myself earlier, and let town focus somewhere else sooner (& let Fluffy go on w/ his antics).

Last time I'll address the 'case' Renata pointed out.
8 God Emperor (Zack, Renata, GH, Beskar, Earthling, Khazaar, Warman, Fluffy)
2 woad&fangs (dcmort, Believer)
2 White_Eyes:D (Yaropolk, Diamondeye)
2 Fluffy (GE, Romanic)
1 Earthling (TheLastDays)
1 Ironside (Andres)
1 Chaotix (WE)
---
18 not voting (lots)
VERY WELL!

Unvote (GE); Vote: Romanic

Does that please you?
HMMMM?!?
Yes, Ironside must die.

Vote: Ironside

As for woad, he must also die.
Eventually people are just gonna have to get used to fluffy.

I don't think he ever intends to play a game seriously. He's just comic relief. Only reason to lynch him is scan evidence or if he gets too annoying. As of now, I probably would be voting for him, if not for the fact that suspected power role/scum GE is attempting to take the easy way out by making him a target.

That said, not necessarily a scum move. Only survivalist. I don't trust him, but I won't be contributing to the runaway bandwagon.

Let's take a third option.

Vote:Believer
Vote: woad&fangs
Maybe I'll get necromancied back to life by a third party :smile:. I like Pizza's plan.
Right, bandwagon seems to be runaway enough. Continuing with the lurker poking:

Unvote: God Emperor
Vote: autolycus
Vote: White eyes
There's probably a 3 vote lead bet G_E & the next canditate, & at least 10 nonvoters.

Vote: God_Emperor for safe measure...You should see why I have reason to be concerned (of the trend) back then and the need to put G_E back into the spotlight.(& I've already posted my view on G_E's 'reveal')

Other points to consider:
a) I was active much of the end of the day, but never did a vote to preserve myself. Should give you an idea of how 'important' I think of my own survival / role (of w/c I've hinted on already in a post, and to someone who inquired in private)
b) noone really put any effort to defend me or persistently try to throw suspicion somewhere else, considering the not solid at all case placed against me. Moot, if there were actually damning evidence against me.

Misc. tidbit you may want to consider
Wouldn’t scum prefer to keep fluffy around than vote him off (& thus focus on me), considering he has no intention whatsoever to analyze or contribute productively in any discussion (& even admitted to it). So instead of focusing on the fluffy wagon, try to check the ones jumping on mine.

[Earthling]

Yeah, that post is going to do the exact opposite of comforting people. So you're implying you're a neutral/third party of some sort? I do doubt you are one of the killers, but that doesn't really help your lynch prospects.

[glyphz]

Yeah, that post is going to do the exact opposite of comforting people. So you're implying you're a neutral/third party of some sort? I do doubt you are one of the killers, but that doesn't really help your lynch prospects.Neutral/third party?
No, not what I was hinting to at all.
I'll give ya another helping hand.
*Points to post arguing w/ Zack*

[Earthling]

Well if the claim is that you're another basic townie that doesn't help us out, because it's unverifiable right now, and indicates very little was meaningful about whatever you said to anyone in private. Otherwise your grand case defending yourself is a lot of filler.

Every scum can pretty much pretend they are a basic townie here, and keep pretending so after death too because they won't be revealed. Not a bombshell, but I'm just saying I don't think this is helping you out.

[glyphz]

Indeed. I'm not expecting people to just take my word for it .
(edit: and also why i'm hinting on it rather than proclaiming)
What you're saying is exactly what I was telling Zack earlier.
Why I posted that in my defense is, as I've mentioned, related to how I did not try preserve myself last vote phase (despite my vote could've been very influential to the result) & what I thought of my own importance to town & how damaging my lynch would be for town

[Askthepizzaguy]

I sent you a message before you posted any of this and I'd say you're just wasting your time. You're not even in real danger of getting lynched yet this Blood Vengeance thing you're insisting on shouldn't be done that way and helps nobody.

Come talk to me when I don't have a pile of dead scums a mile high based on this exact behavior.


except that you're in the way of pursuing preferred suspects for the lynch.

I'm in the way?

I don't know what that means exactly, but I'm sure it makes sense in your head.

[TheLastDays]

This is either a very clever joke that doesn't make me laugh or a horrible attempt at a defense.

We've already been through all this and you had no defense for the accusations, why do you persist there is no case?

This was neither. It was no joke and it was no defense because for a whole while you haven't posted anything to defend against. This was merely a declaration.

I replied to all your points and if you still think there is something that needs an answer, please restate it.

[Andres]

vote atpg

Interesting case. Brilliant analysis. Outsanding reasoning and flawless logic.

I'd like to hear more.

[classical_hero]

vote:Zack He could be scummy, but I am not convinced on anyone right now.

[Death is yonder]

Because I think Seon is more deserving of attention at the moment.



Alright, let's call her Valkyrie from now on then. I would like to agree with you because it would feel good to have caught scum already. But, honestly, after the secons failed attempt by big axe guy, GE's claims received some more credibility and at the moment I rather have him down as a townie who did a very dumb move with keeping back his information. I might be a bit biased, because I defended him on Day 1 but I think the scums have just switched who does the killing.

More deserving of attention than yourself perhaps?

In any case, so you think that GE was town because he:

1. Claimed he needed time to see whether the situation called for revealing and how much should be revealed
2. Followed this up by contradicting himself and claiming to be a basic townie, and coming up with a flimsy defense to try and deflect this fact
3. At first implied/soft claimed a pro-town role at point 1, despite the fact that it would be imbalanced for him to be a pro-town role because of a very simple fact (almost every single time, but I see no reason for that to be disproved now) that pro-town roles do not survive night kills, it is not balanced.

The underline section indicates you actually believed he had something to reveal, but fact of the matter is that he implied being a pro-town role, quickly changed his story that he was a basic townie, then (Point 3 above) was pointed out at which case he stopped referencing to that area of his defense probably realizing the inconsistencies would be further pointed out and emphasized.

Your current attempts to back off smells more like you trying to save your scum partner and the :daisy: hitting the fan because he got lynched anyway and you got cast into the spotlight momentarily and now you're trying to deflect attention elsewhere and play down your efforts to save GE (and vice versa defending) despite his obvious scummyness.

Moreover, you clearly have been reading the thread as indicated to your replies by Believer, yet you've not responded to this post I made:

I merely said:



Vote: TLD

Hello.

To which you replied within the same hour:


Vote: DiY

Let me think.

Despite the fact that as I mentioned in a later post:


An interesting reaction considering I have not been involved in private communication with you :inquisitive:

Something note worthy too, much akin to GE trying to subtly nudge the voting direction elsewhere, except in your case, a bit more blatant.

My vote stays.

I'd most certainly like to think that you thought that someone had been speaking in private to me about something that you've done, or something that might have implicated you as scum and you were trying to buy time to come up with a decent explanation before decided it could be ignored to play it down.

Vote: TLD

Why isn't he lynched yet?

In any case, glyphz reaction doesn't seem that scummy, compared to his behavior in Midgard when he was Jotun (can't put my finger on it, but it does feel pretty dissimilar) and I'm inclined to believe that TLD is someone who needs to be looked at first (more so than glyphz at least).

[Romanic]

vote: glyphz

Not convinced by his defense anymore, he's only defending, not trying to find Scum, I'm reading some vague answers that could be left to interpretation and he has not voted yet.

Also if GE was scum, then Renata casting the 2nd vote on GE is good enough to follow her.

[TheLastDays]

I don't understand what you're getting at completely. My vote for you was certainly a joke since I switched it as soon as I said something serious and your case was "Hello". Believe it or not.
Your "case" is based off the assumption that I was trying to imply something with my vote on you and the statement "let me think, which I didn't.

glypz isn't scummy enough for you? Vote Seon then.

[Yaropolk]

1) can someone post a tally please?

2) Khaan can you end the rounds at an hour when more people are awake please?

[Riedquat]

^^ At the time of your vote on atpg yesterday, Glypzh was on the lead for 5 votes and TLD and Seon only had 2 votes on them... I can't help more, its Monday's morning and I'm half sleep in the office wanting to be somewhere else...

[Riedquat]

Ok, I had just to wake up at some time...

Glyphz: 6 votes (Believer, Chaotix, Dcmort, Johnhughthom, Renata, Romanic)
Atpg: 3 votes (Khazaar, Woad&fangs, Yaropolk)
TheLastDays: 3 votes (Choxorn, Earthling, Diy)
Seon: 2 votes (Diamondeye, TLD)
Woad&fangs: 2 votes (Atpg, Seon)
White Eyes: 1 vote (Secura)
Beskar: 1 vote (Beskar)
Double A: 1 vote (GH)
Romanic: 1 vote (Zach)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Vote:AskthePizzaGuy

Never got my pizza.

[Diamondeye]

I don't like any of the top 3 options. I say we should try and see if can lynch W&F instead, or perhaps Believer.
Vote: W&F


ooc: Hey all, not had opportunity to follow the game but awesome write ups, khaan.
An update on my situation, doing some last minute changes where i will visit Malmo then onwards towards Copenhagen before flying back on Sunday afternoon.

vote:Beskar for running off to Denmark.

You coming to Denmark? Cool :beam:

[Riedquat]

I don't like any of the top 3 options. I say we should try and see if can lynch W&F instead, or perhaps Believer.
Vote: W&F




You coming to Denmark? Cool :beam:



What is this? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136981-Netherworld-III-Final-Judgment-In-Play&p=2053355172&viewfull=1#post2053355172) :stare:

Vote: TLD

[classical_hero]

Ok, I had just to wake up at some time...

Glyphz: 6 votes (Believer, Chaotix, Dcmort, Johnhughthom, Renata, Romanic)
Atpg: 3 votes (Khazaar, Woad&fangs, Yaropolk)
TheLastDays: 3 votes (Choxorn, Earthling, Diy)
Seon: 2 votes (Diamondeye, TLD)
Woad&fangs: 2 votes (Atpg, Seon)
White Eyes: 1 vote (Secura)
Beskar: 1 vote (Beskar)
Double A: 1 vote (GH)
Romanic: 1 vote (Zach)You are missing my vote on Zack, not Zach.

[TheLastDays]

What is this? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136981-Netherworld-III-Final-Judgment-In-Play&p=2053355172&viewfull=1#post2053355172) :stare:

Vote: TLD

Care to tell us what you're getting at and how it warrants a vote on me?

[Riedquat]

You are missing my vote on Zack, not Zach.

You are correct about the vote, but wrong about the name! Look at khan's player list, who I am to dispute him? :laugh4:

Glyphz: 6 votes (Believer, Chaotix, Dcmort, Johnhughthom, Renata, Romanic)
Atpg: 4 votes (Khazaar, Woad&fangs, Yaropolk, warman)
TheLastDays: 4 votes (Choxorn, Earthling, Diy, Riedquat)
Seon: 2 votes (Diamondeye, TLD)
Woad&fangs: 2 votes (Atpg, Seon)
White Eyes: 1 vote (Secura)
Beskar: 1 vote (Beskar)
Double A: 1 vote (GH)
Romanic: 1 vote (Zach or Zack)
Zach or Zack: 1 vote (classical_hero)

:clown:

[Riedquat]

Care to tell us what you're getting at and how it warrants a vote on me?

The link, just to show DE has already voted.

The vote on you, I already gave my flawed reasons earlier, didn't I? Lets call it, general scumminess, in your favor I must say today has been your less scummy day so far.

[Diamondeye]

Oh, thanks. Unvote, vote: W&F. Betters?

Always remember to bunvote!

[Zack]

I don't know who this 'Zach' fellow is.

@classical_hero: "He could be scummy?" Really?

[Earthling]

It is true Diamondeye has pointed out one of two ways to end a pointless feud between two players. But the second seems better and more manageable right now, plus I still don't like a glyphz lynch.

unvote; vote: ATPG

[glyphz]

vote: glyphz

Not convinced by his defense anymore, he's only defending, not trying to find Scum, I'm reading some vague answers that could be left to interpretation and he has not voted yet.

Also if GE was scum, then Renata casting the 2nd vote on GE is good enough to follow her.Vote: glyphz
should have done this last round. Though I'm still open to switch to another, preferablt TLD, if someone decides to start a late trend.

[glyphz]

Nah, disregard my last sentence. Even if I lived this phase, I'll probably lynched off next phase. Let my blood appease the masses, though I suggest keeping an eye on 'em

[seireikhaan]

Did a double check on the tally, looks good. 40 minutes left.


Glyphz 7 (Glyphz, Renata, Believer, dcmort, chaotix, johnhughtom, Romanic)
ATPG 5 (woad&fangs, Yaropolk, Khazaar, warman, Earthling)
TheLastDays 3(Choxorn, DiY, Riedquat)
Woad&fangs 3 (Diamondey, ATPG, Seon)
Seon 1 (TLD)
Romanic 1 (Zack)
Double A (GH)
White eyes (Secura)
Beskar 1 (Beskar)(
Zack 1 (Classical Hero)

[johnhughthom]

Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy

[glyphz]

I'm not happy at all that none of my attackers have made a comment/discussion of any significance about my defense (and even much in general, shouldn't that say something about how strong the case against me is?), and instead have lurked and kept their silence, particularly Renata.

(is it bec it's a monday?)

I would have simply told the remaining town to check out those who were merely jumping in on her case (& still ask town to do so), but her silence and lack of response as the head of my prosecution is weird in my opinion. Not a fair trial at all. I thought she'd at least try to justify her case further or at least pick apart my defense.

Makes me wonder if she finally got the role she ws looking for back at sign-ups?

[Tratorix]

Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Why?

[johnhughthom]

Why?

Why not?

[glyphz]

Why not?Do tell. From someone's point-of-view it might save you from looking the part of someone "who's washing his hands"

edI: Feel like I wouldn't mind seeing one of fluffy's memes right now. To think I'd actually miss his antics...

[johnhughthom]

To see what happens.

[glyphz]

...

:inquisitive:

Very well.

:rtwyes:

[Earthling]

unvote; vote: TLD

So you can join me or persist in keeping a tie for the sake of having a tie, but that's a bit better.

[TheLastDays]

Preussure! Me likes!
Mr. Pizzaguy, while "Not hunting for scum" is a good reason to vote someone in generel, that's even more fitting when you are the target. Usually you are knee deep in scumjuice, wading through them to discover their hidden agendas but this game all we see from you is joke votes and following other people's (i.e. mine) suggestions. I'd like to hear a bit more from you.

unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy

[seireikhaan]

Glyphz 6 (Glyphz, Renata, Believer, dcmort, chaotix, Romanic)
ATPG 6 (woad&fangs, Yaropolk, Khazaar, warman, Johnhughthom, TLD)
TheLastDays 4 (earthling, Choxorn, DiY, Riedquat)
Woad&fangs 3 (Diamondey, ATPG, Seon)
Romanic 1 (Zack)
Double A (GH)
White eyes (Secura)
Beskar 1 (Beskar)(
Zack 1 (Classical Hero)

[TheLastDays]

Glyphz 6 (Glyphz, Renata, Believer, dcmort, chaotix, Romanic)
ATPG 6 (woad&fangs, Yaropolk, Khazaar, warman, Johnhughthom, TLD)
TheLastDays 4 (TLD, Choxorn, DiY, Riedquat)
Woad&fangs 3 (Diamondey, ATPG, Seon)
Romanic 1 (Zack)
Double A (GH)
White eyes (Secura)
Beskar 1 (Beskar)(
Zack 1 (Classical Hero)

Earthling has voted me

EDIT: And I haven't self voted... yet ^^

[Earthling]

unvote; vote ATPG

[seireikhaan]

Fixed, substitution error on my part.

[seireikhaan]

Round is over. Orders can begin to be sent now. Writeup in a few.

[Arjos]

Anyway why is this ending in random wagons and last minute unvotes?

[glyphz]

Won't even let me die when I want to...:sweatdrop:

So be it.

Play on, it is.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I... wow. :dizzy2:

For the record, if I had woken up a half-hour sooner, I would have changed my vote to glyphz strictly for the self-vote.

[Tratorix]

If their are any town or even neutral characters with the ability to kill out there, would you please kill glyphz tonight? The town really can't afford to waste another round unsuccessfully trying to lynch him. :bow:

[seireikhaan]

"Granpa, when do I get to find out how you're in the story?" the young girl asked. "You keep mentioning all these people, but what were you doing?" The old man set his hand on her head and gave her hair a gentle tussle.

"Oh, now, that's going to be the big finale, my dear! I can't tell you now, it would ruin the ending. I need to build it up to the big final! I promise, you'll know soon. Now, back to the story. That next morning, everyone gathered back, only to find out that two people were missing from last night. It caused a stir from most of the crowd, but they went silent when Angra Mainyu stood up from his throne and held his hands high. 'Fear not!' he proclaimed to the crowd. 'It is only by struggle that we can separate the strong from the weak. We may have been set back, but it will only make us that much stronger!'"

"Now, with that bit of inspiration, the crowd began a heated discussion once again, and at the end of the day, it seemed they were conflicted over two candidates to give to their lord. One, called Glyphz, seemed sad and accepting of his fate- he even offered himself to the crowd! But others in the crowd wanted to hand over the one who was simply known as 'The Pizza Man.'"

The girl scrunched her face with a frown. "What's a pizza, granpa?"

"To be truthful, nobody knows exactly, pumpkin. People began to suspect it was code for Heaven or Netherworld, or 'hates Angra Mainyu'. In the end, at the last second, a surge of support for Glpyphz resulted in The Pizzaman being handed over. He knelt before the lord, and the crowd grew silent as Mainyu touched his sword to The Pizzaman's left shoulder.

'Before we are finished,' Mainyu began. 'We must ask you, Pizzaman, the great question of your existence. What. Is. A. Pizza.'

The Pizzaman merely looked up at the lord, with sad eyes, and proclaimed to the crowd. 'It is that which I value above all else. It is not a sword to be used for combat, or a shield to be used to protect. It is not even a way of life. It is both the darkness and the light. It is both the evil and the just. It is the essential truth of human nature- that we are all one. We share our strength and suffering, our righteousness and wickedness, our temperance and gluttony, our life and death. That, sir, is Pizza.'

Angra Mainyu held his left arm aloft, palm raised. 'I salute you. May you you find peace.' And with that, he raised his sword high, and finished his duty.

He turned back to the crowd. 'But we are not yet finished, my subjects. There are still agents amongst us. May strength bind your spirits.' And with that, he dismissed the crowd for the night."



ATPG 7 (Earthling, woad&fangs, Yaropolk, Khazaar, warman, Johnhughthom, TLD)
Glyphz 6 (Glyphz, Renata, Believer, dcmort, chaotix, Romanic)
TheLastDays 3 (Choxorn, DiY, Riedquat)
Woad&fangs 3 (Diamondeye, ATPG, Seon)
Romanic 1 (Zack)
Double A 1(GH)
White eyes 1 (Secura)
Beskar 1 (Beskar)
Zack 1 (Classical Hero)

Not Voting: Autolycus, Captain Blackadder, robbiecon, SoulBlade, white eyes






Alive: 29


Autolycus
Believer
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Double A
Earthling
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Renata
Riedquat
Robbiecon
Romanic
Secura
Seon
SoulBlade
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
White Eyes
Yaropolk
Zack



Killed: 7

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)

Lynched: 4

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)

[glyphz]

I... wow. :dizzy2:

For the record, if I had woken up a half-hour sooner, I would have changed my vote to glyphz strictly for the self-vote.And you would have spared me a another round of votes.

This is on you General
:clown:

[Earthling]

That was disastrously vague. Oh well. Considering we ought to know when a neutral dies it bothers me that I can't figure out for sure if a single one is dead or not yet, not even on tratorix being just neutral or anti-town, and pizza's lynch was different but not different enough to know for sure.

As for vigilante suggestions, that's a bad idea. Though I doubt there are more vigs out there other than axeguy who has some other deal, assuming tratorix was town or neutral himself. It is true we ought to stop trying to get rid of glyphz who seems to be a townie but that's accomplished by simply not lynching him. But if there are any more vigs after all, and we think it's wise to risk upping the nightkills again, then only cleaning up the lurkers (autolycus looks to be WoG'd soon, Secura or robbiecon or SoulBlade would be ok to target) is the right call for the near term.

[SoulBlade]

Is the round over?
nevermind, late reply.

[Tratorix]

It is true we ought to stop trying to get rid of glyphz who seems to be a townie but that's accomplished by simply not lynching him.

He's as good as dead next round, so I figured I'd save you the trouble if possible. :shrug:

[Earthling]

He's not dead next round, at least if we can convince him not to be suicidal as a townie and encourage or vote for his own lynch. I'd expect that's reasonable, and we'll simply have plenty of better candidates to lynch. Make the scum kill him at night eventually, sure, we couldn't necessarily stop that but no reason to waste more lynches.

[Renata]

I'm not happy at all that none of my attackers have made a comment/discussion of any significance about my defense (and even much in general, shouldn't that say something about how strong the case against me is?), and instead have lurked and kept their silence, particularly Renata.

(is it bec it's a monday?)

I would have simply told the remaining town to check out those who were merely jumping in on her case (& still ask town to do so), but her silence and lack of response as the head of my prosecution is weird in my opinion. Not a fair trial at all. I thought she'd at least try to justify her case further or at least pick apart my defense.

Makes me wonder if she finally got the role she ws looking for back at sign-ups?

Charming.

[glyphz]

Charming.Care to add your piece to this discussion?:bow:
I mean... since you decide to pop up & all, post-day...

[Earthling]

Renata is clearly acting like a neutral, in that she is only cares about her own survival, not really willing to risk anything to benefit the town. She's not exactly been anti-town, I certainly grant that, but is just avoiding any spotlight and happy to have any someone die who is not her. That's all normal for a neutral, have to survive a while for their goals, though it is possible this is because she thinks she's really important as a town power-role and wants to live really badly. I'd think that's not quite the best way to go about it here but she might still want to appear like a neutral to throw off the scum anyway then.

So glyphz if there is anyone you ought to question it's the later bandwagoners who followed for no reason. However I just don't think we'll see the same situation tomorrow anyway so it's not the primary thing to worry about tonight. As one exception Believer seems to have forgotten his vote was actually on you, I wouldn't even worry about him tomorrow.

[Renata]

I always have participation problems on weekends, and when I did check in briefly earlier this morning, my impression was that the deadline had passed already and you were being lynched.

I think your dredging up my pre-game wish to be mafia says more about you than about me.

You know very well there is no strong "case" against you. There's my feeling that your statement about God Emperor was wrongly phrased (which still persists; I saw your objection yesterday but couldn't get to it), and that's about it. But you were still saved yesterday on the basis of an even weaker case. Today you survive again. And the best you could think to do when that seemed like it might not happen is chuck some mud on me on the basis of participation? I don't think so.

[glyphz]

Renata is clearly acting like a neutral, in that she is only cares about her own survival, not really willing to risk anything to benefit the town. She's not exactly been anti-town, I certainly grant that, but is just avoiding any spotlight and happy to have any someone die who is not her. That's all normal for a neutral, have to survive a while for their goals, though it is possible this is because she thinks she's really important as a town power-role and wants to live really badly. I'd think that's not quite the best way to go about it here but she might still want to appear like a neutral to throw off the scum anyway then.

So glyphz if there is anyone you ought to question it's the later bandwagoners who followed for no reason. However I just don't think we'll see the same situation tomorrow anyway so it's not the primary thing to worry about tonight. As one exception Believer seems to have forgotten his vote was actually on you, I wouldn't even worry about him tomorrow.I do still think that the focus should be on the bandwagoners (where my suspicions lies to begin w/). The only reason I placed Renata on the spotlight, is because her silence (+ mere revote on me )all the way to the end of this phase did not sit well w/ me, and raised a red flag.

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[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

So, me voting at last minute for ATPG all of a sudden spark a change in the vote and got him lynched? :laugh4:

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[Renata]

I remember the specific objection I had to the God Emperor statement: it looked self-conscious (well, the vote's getting close, so I guess I'd better add mine ...) The degree of accuracy wasn't the issue, the statement itself was.

[TheLastDays]

Renata is clearly acting like a neutral, in that she is only cares about her own survival, not really willing to risk anything to benefit the town. She's not exactly been anti-town, I certainly grant that, but is just avoiding any spotlight and happy to have any someone die who is not her. That's all normal for a neutral, have to survive a while for their goals, though it is possible this is because she thinks she's really important as a town power-role and wants to live really badly. I'd think that's not quite the best way to go about it here but she might still want to appear like a neutral to throw off the scum anyway then.

So glyphz if there is anyone you ought to question it's the later bandwagoners who followed for no reason. However I just don't think we'll see the same situation tomorrow anyway so it's not the primary thing to worry about tonight. As one exception Believer seems to have forgotten his vote was actually on you, I wouldn't even worry about him tomorrow.

And if there's even the remote possibility that this might be the case, why are you talking about it where the scum can read about it? You are the one who doesn't make a townie effort this game and you are the one who is off.

Both you and Seon are playing weird. Seon was more active than usual in the beginning but his votes were on easy targets and he was basing cases off of shoddy reasoning and once he starts receiving just the slightest bit of suspicion over it he disappears to his usual lurking.

You are not as you usually are, Mr. Earthling. You are better than this usually, annoying, yes, but your arguments are usually better and your reasoning is even worse this game. Plus, you're not making an effort in looking for scum, you buy into weak cases and follow up on them. You reprimend (sp?) Renata on not taking risks for the town effort yet you want to lynch me for doing exactly that.

FoS: Seon
Fos: Earthling

[Earthling]

I want you dead because we'll probably see which one of green man and saber girl disappears. The only thing you have against Seon is that he reasonably voted for you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well I'm not that surprised.

So anyways, here was my new strategy for this game, since some of you wouldn't stop pestering me or my inbox.

I was, as I said, a vanilla townie. I also didn't have much time for this game, as I was far, far, far, far too busy kicking some serious :daisy: on another game on another thread on another forum which required my full attention.

So I had it in mind to do the following:

1) Each round, I'd vote for someone, and insist they die
2) Next round, I'd switch to a new person and insist they die.... but I'd also be willing to lynch the first person
3) If something comes up which looks promising, I override and join the lynch on that person.


Very simple. I intended to stick to the plan but with the strange reaction to the woad vote, I kept voting for him.


Nothing fancy.


Man, you people have a very, very, very bad track record of not lynching me as mafia, and lynching me as town. You honestly should just give up.

Also: Busy elsewhere. Not gonna follow this one.

[Renata]

And if there's even the remote possibility that this might be the case, why are you talking about it where the scum can read about it?

Because he doesn't seem to have realized yet that it is possible to have thoughts in a mafia game that you don't immediately share with everyone in the room.

I don't know that it's worth a FOS, it's so completely typical. Even the vote change to ATPG.

[TheLastDays]

Well I'm not that surprised.

So anyways, here was my new strategy for this game, since some of you wouldn't stop pestering me or my inbox.

I was, as I said, a vanilla townie. I also didn't have much time for this game, as I was far, far, far, far too busy kicking some serious :daisy: on another game on another thread on another forum which required my full attention.

So I had it in mind to do the following:

1) Each round, I'd vote for someone, and insist they die
2) Next round, I'd switch to a new person and insist they die.... but I'd also be willing to lynch the first person
3) If something comes up which looks promising, I override and join the lynch on that person.


Very simple. I intended to stick to the plan but with the strange reaction to the woad vote, I kept voting for him.


Nothing fancy.


Man, you people have a very, very, very bad track record of not lynching me as mafia, and lynching me as town. You honestly should just give up.

Also: Busy elsewhere. Not gonna follow this one.

I'm sorry about that. WHat I wanted to do is pressure you, not lynch you. I messed up for two different reasons:

1) Didn't check the deadline.
2) Didn't think anyone would simply go ahead and lynch you over glyphz should there be a tie, not before letting you reply.

[Riedquat]

I want you dead because we'll probably see which one of green man and saber girl disappears. The only thing you have against Seon is that he reasonably voted for you.

yeap, Seon voted for him and wanted eagerly his death too... and like you then voted someone else without any explanation... so I agree with TLD Fossing... :dizzy2:

[TheLastDays]

I want you dead because we'll probably see which one of green man and saber girl disappears. The only thing you have against Seon is that he reasonably voted for you.

No, I have against Seon that he voted for me on bad reasoning and that he disappeared after he received the slightest bit of pressure.

Seriously what's up with you Earthling? Usually you'd hunt such behaviour down without mercy. You're definitely not looking good this game.

[Riedquat]

I'm sorry about that. WHat I wanted to do is pressure you, not lynch you. I messed up for two different reasons:

1) Didn't check the deadline.
2) Didn't think anyone would simply go ahead and lynch you over glyphz should there be a tie, not before letting you reply.

And then you ask why people vote for you... lets make a deal, kill Seon tonight and I promise to not vote for you tomorrow... :balloon2:

[Earthling]

Renata, the thing is the mafia killing you would be a reasonably good thing at this point as far as I know. I was fully aware my post might tempt them to try, but that's fine, the mafia killing a neutral who is voting against the town wouldn't really bother me right now. Up to you to convince me or anyone otherwise.

There are enough of us who realize TLD is so transparently scum that it's a terrible move for you to associate with him unless you are really on his team (which your votes could indicate, I'll grant that, sneaky sneaky).

His lies are both pointless and obvious. For example, despite his constant claims to the contrary, not only am I acting townie but he clearly wouldn't even know better himself. Seriously, TLD thinks he knows anything about my role here because of a single previous game that we both were in as regular players- the only game where he ever would have interacted with me- Midgard III, and where I died the first night and never got to vote, only post as a dead townie?

What's happening is that his scum partners, realizing he's a goner sooner or later, have told him to just mindlessly attack townies like me and Seon to confuse people and providing their own reasons. TLD is not honestly coming up with anything he's saying on his own, it's all just lies, PIS about the writeups, or being a mouthpiece for others.

[TheLastDays]

And then you ask why people vote for you... lets make a deal, kill Seon tonight and I promise to not vote for you tomorrow... :balloon2:

Damn... already sent in orders for Earthling but I'll see if khaan lets me change them :clown:

[TheLastDays]

Renata, the thing is the mafia killing you would be a reasonably good thing at this point as far as I know. I was fully aware my post might tempt them to try, but that's fine, the mafia killing a neutral who is voting against the town wouldn't really bother me right now. Up to you to convince me or anyone otherwise.

There are enough of us who realize TLD is so transparently scum that it's a terrible move for you to associate with him unless you are really on his team (which your votes could indicate, I'll grant that, sneaky sneaky).

His lies are both pointless and obvious. For example, despite his constant claims to the contrary, not only am I acting townie but he clearly wouldn't even know better himself. Seriously, TLD thinks he knows anything about my role here because of a single previous game that we both were in as regular players- the only game where he ever would have interacted with me- Midgard III, and where I died the first night and never got to vote, only post as a dead townie?

What's happening is that his scum partners, realizing he's a goner sooner or later, have told him to just mindlessly attack townies like me and Seon to confuse people and providing their own reasons. TLD is not honestly coming up with anything he's saying on his own, it's all just lies, PIS about the writeups, or being a mouthpiece for others.


HAHA you're funny. If you really believe all this I pity you but I think you're a better player than that, scum.

I'm a bit offended that you assume that I would just talk what other tell me as Mafia. I have a rather proactive playstyle. Also we have played together in Mafia X and two games with you leaves me plenty posting material of yours to analyze :wink:

Let's put this whole question to a test. You are scum. You think I'm a goner. Alright. If we don't lynch you tomorrow I will self vote and let the town destroy me because if we can't get rid of such obvious Mafia we have a big problem. As soon as I am dead I will even shut up until you have died because as long as we don't lynch you there's no point in trying anything else.

EDIT: I'll throw in another candy. If we can lynch Earthling and the town still wants me lynched, I'll still self vote the next day and let you guys have my blood. One vanilla townie for one Mafia is a good deal.

[Earthling]

Seriously what's up with you Earthling?

This was kinda a crosspost and I'll just mention again because this constant lying deserves other players seeing the callout.

You and I have never played in a mafia game before for any meaningful length of time. Everybody can check this.

It's a complete lie that you could possibly know anything about me despite that you constantly say my posts are somehow different, except that you have scum partners telling you in private this is a good way to stir up trouble. Of course it is about the same as your accusations again Seon or DiY or anyone who you have no connections to and no reason to criticize, you're just a scum.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Well I'm not that surprised.

So anyways, here was my new strategy for this game, since some of you wouldn't stop pestering me or my inbox.

I was, as I said, a vanilla townie. I also didn't have much time for this game, as I was far, far, far, far too busy kicking some serious :daisy: on another game on another thread on another forum which required my full attention.

So I had it in mind to do the following:

1) Each round, I'd vote for someone, and insist they die
2) Next round, I'd switch to a new person and insist they die.... but I'd also be willing to lynch the first person
3) If something comes up which looks promising, I override and join the lynch on that person.


Very simple. I intended to stick to the plan but with the strange reaction to the woad vote, I kept voting for him.


Nothing fancy.


Man, you people have a very, very, very bad track record of not lynching me as mafia, and lynching me as town. You honestly should just give up.

Also: Busy elsewhere. Not gonna follow this one.




Since you killed me in the last mafia game, I just had to get some payback against you and this is it I guess! :laugh4:

[Earthling]

Honestly we know pizza can do better than vote on nonsense OMGUS cases and lie to other townies, so what we get out of that is he's too busy to give this game an effort, that's not even much of a loss and doubly so if he was a basic townie when we don't have reveals and can't distinguish those from scum for sure.

[Riedquat]

Err... just to note a little thing, I never ever played a mafia game before but still can say some people act scummy or differently than previous games... btw, don't think I'm defending TLD, in fact I think you two are mafia and are barking at each other just to confuse town...

[TheLastDays]

This was kinda a crosspost and I'll just mention again because this constant lying deserves other players seeing the callout.

You and I have never played in a mafia game before for any meaningful length of time. Everybody can check this.

It's a complete lie that you could possibly know anything about me despite that you constantly say my posts are somehow different, except that you have scum partners telling you in private this is a good way to stir up trouble. Of course it is about the same as your accusations again Seon or DiY or anyone who you have no connections to and no reason to criticize, you're just a scum.

1) We played in two games together and being dead hasn't stopped you from posting in either of these games.
2) My accusations against Seon are completely different in nature. He voted me on bad reasoning, then received pressure and has since disappeared, voting for somebody else.
3) I never accused DiY on anything so I don't even know what you're trying to say there.

[TheLastDays]

Err... just to note a little thing, I never ever played a mafia game before but still can say some people act scummy or differently than previous games... btw, don't think I'm defending TLD, in fact I think you two are mafia and are barking at each other just to confuse town...

ALright then let's lynch Earthling tomorrow and you can lynch me the next day. Problem solved :yes:
Or if that doesn't suit you, do it the other way round, just get rid of Earthling and Seon.

[johnhughthom]

Err... just to note a little thing, I never ever played a mafia game before but still can say some people act scummy or differently than previous games... btw, don't think I'm defending TLD, in fact I think you two are mafia and are barking at each other just to bore the town...

Like you said, you're new so I fixed that for ya. You're welcome.

[Zack]

Like you said, you're new so I fixed that for ya. Your welcome.
Wait, I didn't think anyone was actually reading their bickering.

[Earthling]

1) We played in two games together and being dead hasn't stopped you from posting in either of these games.
2) My accusations against Seon are completely different in nature. He voted me on bad reasoning, then received pressure and has since disappeared, voting for somebody else.
3) I never accused DiY on anything so I don't even know what you're trying to say there.

This laughably isn't hard to refute. Every point here is wrong even with you purposefully trying to seem vague. Though I grant you that you've given a better scum performance to survive this long since GE died, being active and giving an effort, much better than many recent games and it's nice not to have a team of pure lurker scum.

So again, you think that barely a handful of anonymous posts and being killed Night One means you have some special insight to me in this game? You've said this again and again so don't change your story, you don't think there's anything different about posting while dead and not being able to vote, nor do you even care about the actual game mechanics and story differences here?

If you want to say that you don't like me for reasons different than the OMGUS on the several others, the only thing you've said is my posts are weird compared to before. Which is just a lie, because you have no experience to base that on.

You actually voted for Death is Yonder once before, as already pointed out, and you're just making no sense about Seon. Seon voted for you, true. Nothing else you implied about him that is "bad" is true - he's not been lurking and missing votes, he's not given really bad reasoning, none of it.

At this point though there's enough arguing with scum. You won't be an entirely confirmed scum anytime soon but arguing with a scum who we know is saying things in bad faith does waste people's time.

[johnhughthom]

Wait, I didn't think anyone was actually reading their bickering.

Gah, you only quoted me to highlight my poor grammar and make editing the original pointless, didn't you? :brood:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Since you killed me in the last mafia game, I just had to get some payback against you and this is it I guess! :laugh4:

Yes Warman, I understand why you play the game. I know that you only really sign up to these games to have a chance at killing me over some lame stuff that happened 1-2 years ago that you won't let go.

It's kind of sad that this is how you get your jollies, really. Honestly you should find a new hobby.

The thing is, it doesn't bother me that you do this; the fact that you'd think it bothers me is really amusing.

[Arjos]

LOL johnhughthom XD

[TheLastDays]

This laughably isn't hard to refute. Every point here is wrong even with you purposefully trying to seem vague. Though I grant you that you've given a better scum performance to survive this long since GE died, being active and giving an effort, much better than many recent games and it's nice not to have a team of pure lurker scum.

So again, you think that barely a handful of anonymous posts and being killed Night One means you have some special insight to me in this game? You've said this again and again so don't change your story, you don't think there's anything different about posting while dead and not being able to vote, nor do you even care about the actual game mechanics and story differences here?

If you want to say that you don't like me for reasons different than the OMGUS on the several others, the only thing you've said is my posts are weird compared to before. Which is just a lie, because you have no experience to base that on.

You actually voted for Death is Yonder once before, as already pointed out, and you're just making no sense about Seon. Seon voted for you, true. Nothing else you implied about him that is "bad" is true - he's not been lurking and missing votes, he's not given really bad reasoning, none of it.

At this point though there's enough arguing with scum. You won't be an entirely confirmed scum anytime soon but arguing with a scum who we know is saying things in bad faith does waste people's time.

But... come back... Earthling what do I have to do if I can't argue with you? :clown:

Well if you're implying that you post reasonable analysis when dead and weak cases when alive then yes, I was mistaken because of a lack of experience with you as an alive player.
I voted DiY on an OMGUS/joke vote, giving no reason whatsoever and thus not accusing him of anything. (unvoting very quickly after that for a serious vote)

Alright, guess we'll talk again tomorrow :yes:

[johnhughthom]

Hey guys! The way forward for your unresolved sexual tension. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_message)

[TheLastDays]

Hey guys! The way forward for your unresolved sexual tension. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_message)

You are seriously offending me! We're just making an effort to get khaan on top of the "games with most posts" list.

[Zack]

It's kind of sad that this is how you get your jollies, really. Honestly you should find a new hobby.
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[johnhughthom]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/groucho-marx.gif

Ummm, are you volunteering to be Warman's new hobby?

[Andres]

Why exactly was Pizza lynched?

And why is glyphz under pressure?

And why are Double A and Zack flying under the radar so easily?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe I was lynched because I wasn't cluttering up the thread with pages-long cases on anyone, which I usually reserve for the endgame anyway.

In other words, no real reason, just random lynch choice.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Yes Warman, I understand why you play the game. I know that you only really sign up to these games to have a chance at killing me over some lame stuff that happened 1-2 years ago that you won't let go.

It's kind of sad that this is how you get your jollies, really. Honestly you should find a new hobby.

The thing is, it doesn't bother me that you do this; the fact that you'd think it bothers me is really amusing.


Actually, it's quite amusing that you brought it up as I haven't thought about that incident in uhm.... yeah, how long? And you say I'm the one with the problem? :mellow:

And no, I like my time in mafia games and Interactive History. I'll think I'll continue to play in as many as I am physically able to. We going to be new best friends in mafia games now! :pimp::2thumbsup::2thumbsup:




Ummm, are you volunteering to be Warman's new hobby?

I don't know. Let me know and I'll chase after y'a! :laugh:

[Zack]

Warman should automatically be nightkilled Night 1 until he changes his name to something shorter.

[johnhughthom]

Why exactly was Pizza lynched?

Pretty much my fault for tying the vote to provoke a reaction. Why he was in a position to be tied (:inquisitive: not like that, that's khaan's job), I don't know.:shrug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Actually, it's quite amusing that you brought it up as I haven't thought about that incident in uhm.... yeah, how long? And you say I'm the one with the problem? :mellow:

*Shrug* You've admitted to me in private that you play games to get revenge on me. You just admitted today that you voted for me for explicitly the purposes of revenge. Warman only plays games for revenge. Warman denies that is the case, after admitting that is the case.

Dude, problem is on your end. Problem should actually be plural, but let's stick to the one I'm talking about.

Anyway, don't bother talking to me. I've deleted your private message. Keep it up, and I'll make sure I don't get any more of them.

[Andres]

Pretty much my fault for tying the vote to provoke a reaction. Why he was in a position to be tied (:inquisitive: not like that, that's khaan's job), I don't know.:shrug:

What's your opinion on Double A and Zack?

[Andres]

Warman should automatically be nightkilled Night 1 until he changes his name to something shorter.

I concur.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Warman should automatically be nightkilled Night 1 until he changes his name to something shorter.

:laugh4::laugh4: Sure, why not. :balloon2::balloon2:



*Shrug* You've admitted to me in private that you play games to get revenge on me. You just admitted today that you voted for me for explicitly the purposes of revenge. Warman only plays games for revenge. Warman denies that is the case, after admitting that is the case.

Dude, problem is on your end. Problem should actually be plural, but let's stick to the one I'm talking about.

Anyway, don't bother talking to me. I've deleted your private message. Keep it up, and I'll make sure I don't get any more of them.

Wish is your, my command. :bow:

[johnhughthom]

What's your opinion on Double A and Zack?

Sigh...

Okay Double A:


If I was mafia trying to appear as town I'd sit on my hands and vote randomly like I usually do.

According to Askthepizzaguy mafia 101 this post makes him scum.

That's about 5 games worth of analysis right there by my usual standards. Zack's been chatty without much substance recently. 8 games.

[Andres]

Hmmm...

I'm confident that one day, you'll be posting pages long analysis. In 2049 or so ~;p

[GeneralHankerchief]

Please keep all out-of-game issues out of game.

Seriously guys, I've spent more time moderating this game than actually playing it. Can we maybe turn it around for the second half?

[Double A]

unvote; vote ATPG

Oh, look, a last minute vote switch which resulted in the tie being broken. Totally not incriminating of both glyphz and Earthling.


Sigh...

Okay Double A:



According to Askthepizzaguy mafia 101 this post makes him scum.

That's about 5 games worth of analysis right there by my usual standards. Zack's been chatty without much substance recently. 8 games.

Yeah, I kinda figured that would happen shortly after I posted it.

All I have to say is sorry for using logic :/

[johnhughthom]

Hmmm...

I'm confident that one day, you'll be posting pages long analysis. In 2049 or so ~;p

I do try, I've even managed to bring up all of a persons posts at once, though it was only 3 posts. I'm hoping to graduate to analysing voting patterns sometime in the next decade. After that who knows?

[Death is yonder]

I don't understand what you're getting at completely. My vote for you was certainly a joke since I switched it as soon as I said something serious and your case was "Hello". Believe it or not.
Your "case" is based off the assumption that I was trying to imply something with my vote on you and the statement "let me think, which I didn't.

glypz isn't scummy enough for you? Vote Seon then.

No, the crux of my case is that you suppose that GE wasn't scum but there are quite a few compelling reasons listed there why GE was probably scum.

In fact you still haven't provided any reasoning as to why in the face of such a situation (those reasons) you would nevertheless think GE is not scum, hence I believe that you tried to defend your scum partner, and now are trying to back off from it because he got lynched and fallout was definitely inevitable.

And please do not quote: (as a supposed example which explains it all)


GE's claims received some more credibility and at the moment I rather have him down as a townie who did a very dumb move with keeping back his information. I might be a bit biased, because I defended him on Day 1 but I think the scums have just switched who does the killing.

Because while the second occurrence of the Axe Guy raised the possibility of night kill failures, but it proved nothing in relation to innocence or guilt, because as I raised up sometime shortly after the night kill write up:

Even if Night Kill % was the reason behind his failings, this did NOT give GE's claims more credibility, but rather brought up a question that if such was the case, wouldn't GE as scum have a even higher chance of surviving it? (Assuming of course that axe guy is a third party)

Fact is, he claimed to be hesitant to revealing, then backtracked and claimed basic townie. I'd love for you to explain how all this means that GE was a silly townie rather than a panicked scumbag who was seeing whether a soft claim could get him out of it. (Why not right? In Midgard III, "what if we hit a power role?" was a primary concern that averted quite a few lynches of possible power roles.) Tincow even used it to ride out suspicion for quite a while as Jotun, where after a fairly incriminating reveal was imminent, he played this exact card and managed to lie low)

[woad&fangs]

If I had gotten a mafia pm I would be convinced by this point that this game is a rehash of The Golden Rule:dizzy2:
I say we keep things simple and lynch anyone who we know is not vanilla town. That is the case against TLD, right? Or is that the case on Earthling...or Glyphz? Maybe I will have to go back and read those text walls....

[dcmort93]

If I had gotten a mafia pm I would be convinced by this point that this game is a rehash of The Golden Rule:dizzy2:
I say we keep things simple and lynch anyone who we know is not vanilla town. That is the case against TLD, right? Or is that the case on Earthling...or Glyphz? Maybe I will have to go back and read those text walls....That is perhaps one of the most scumtastic things you've said

[TheLastDays]

No, the crux of my case is that you suppose that GE wasn't scum but there are quite a few compelling reasons listed there why GE was probably scum.

In fact you still haven't provided any reasoning as to why in the face of such a situation (those reasons) you would nevertheless think GE is not scum, hence I believe that you tried to defend your scum partner, and now are trying to back off from it because he got lynched and fallout was definitely inevitable.

And please do not quote: (as a supposed example which explains it all)



Because while the second occurrence of the Axe Guy raised the possibility of night kill failures, but it proved nothing in relation to innocence or guilt, because as I raised up sometime shortly after the night kill write up:

Even if Night Kill % was the reason behind his failings, this did NOT give GE's claims more credibility, but rather brought up a question that if such was the case, wouldn't GE as scum have a even higher chance of surviving it? (Assuming of course that axe guy is a third party)

Fact is, he claimed to be hesitant to revealing, then backtracked and claimed basic townie. I'd love for you to explain how all this means that GE was a silly townie rather than a panicked scumbag who was seeing whether a soft claim could get him out of it. (Why not right? In Midgard III, "what if we hit a power role?" was a primary concern that averted quite a few lynches of possible power roles.) Tincow even used it to ride out suspicion for quite a while as Jotun, where after a fairly incriminating reveal was imminent, he played this exact card and managed to lie low)

It's all just idle theorizing when it comes to GE because he's dead anyway. I don't wee the reason why I would have to make sure everyone believes he was town when I am scum. I can make mistakes and if GE was scum I made one in regards to him. I said the second failed kill attempt by axe guy gave credibility to GE's claims that his survival had nothing to do with a power he had himself. I see that it doesn't clear him of suspicion and that's fine, he's dead anyway and, as stated wuite a few times already, I try not to listen too much to anyone that has been lynched. I really don't see how you can build a case off the fact that I protected someone on Day 1 and have a gut feeling of them being town. He's dead so we'll see at the end of the game if I was right.

[Andres]

No, the crux of my case is that you suppose that GE wasn't scum but there are quite a few compelling reasons listed there why GE was probably scum.

In fact you still haven't provided any reasoning as to why in the face of such a situation (those reasons) you would nevertheless think GE is not scum, hence I believe that you tried to defend your scum partner, and now are trying to back off from it because he got lynched and fallout was definitely inevitable.



For what it's worth, I didn't think God Emperor was scum either.

Against popular opinion, TLD stated that he believed G_E was innocent and afterwards, he stuck to his guns. That's not scummy behaviour at all; on the contrary. Scum would've probably made a U-turn, attempting to make it somehow believable, go with the flow and hope everybody would forget about it sooner rather than later.

I think you guys are all barking upon the wrong tree here.

Zack and Double A are more suspicous than TLD.

[Andres]

That is perhaps one of the most scumtastic things you've said

How so?

[Double A]

Zack and Double A are more suspicous than TLD.

"My name is Andres and I'm a broken record."

"Hi Andres."

[classical_hero]

OMGUS. If only he were alive for you to do that.

[dcmort93]

How so?Because he is essentially saying we lynch anyone who claims an ability or night action regardless of what it is.

[Andres]

Because he is essentially saying we lynch anyone who claims an ability or night action regardless of what it is.

That's a healthy attitude in a game like this.

Lynch them all, 'khaan will sort them out.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Note: I'll be away on vacation from roughly now until Friday, and will most likely not have 'net access during that time. Would appreciate it if I was still alive when I get back. :laugh4:

[seireikhaan]

Done taking orders, writeups in progress.

[seireikhaan]

In an unmarked house, off the main road, a shadow figure knelt. A limp body lay before it on the ground, illuminated only by a single candle.



“My dearest friend... my companion... why? Why you? The world did not deserve such a noble one as yourself. But they will know your death, they will know the injustice of it. They shall weep for you as I do. This, I guarantee. For they will know my sorrow, my agony, my fury! I will create for you a monument on the greatest hill in Babylon, and all will bow before it and lament for their loss! But those who do not lament for you, those who struck you down, they will know my wrath! They shall know anger hotter than the sun, fury unquenchable even by the Euphrates itself!”



And so the shadowy figure, trembling, picked up the body and laid it on the bed. In the darkness, a red aura seemed to seep from the figure, as it turned to the door, to depart for the night.







Romanic was perched on his house, crouched. The wise man, he figured, kept a vigilant watch in times like this. In particular, the avenues for attack- the street. Fortunately, the night seemed calm. There was hardly even a breeze, let alone others. It was almost eery how quiet it was. A rattling sound behind him caused Romanic to jump. The latch to the roof.... It sprung open, and a woman climbed out so gracefully it almost seemed that she levitated. He stood before a transfixed Romanic, flicking a spot of dirt off her scale armor.



“Your commode is filthy,” she informed him with a slight scowl to her face.


“What... but.... how?” Romanic stammered out.


“No concern of yours, lad,” she retorted. In a blink, she was behind him, with a curved blade to his threat. “This is a concern of yours.” With a flick of her wrist, Romanic collapsed before her.






Door locked? Check. Boarded up? Check. Sutras? Check. Furniture barricaded up against the door? Check. Double A was quite sure he'd done everything possible. Nobody, and he meant nobody, was coming in before the sun rose. Nevertheless, he still sat himself in the corner of the one room shack, his gaze not leaving the door.



Thump


Double A's eyes went wide.


Thump


He sat frozen. He waited. Waited. Seemingly an eternity had gone by. Minutes seemed like years, but the thumping had stopped.


Boom!


The front door exploded in a shower of splinters. Double A winced as shards of wood flew around him and into him. Into the now shredded frame was a wild looking man, an axe in his right hand several times the size of a normal battle axe. Without hesitation, he sprinted to Double A, bellowing like a bear. Double A attempted to scramble to his left. The attacker swung his mighty axe with his right hand, and impacted Double A straight in the chest. With that single attack, Double A was sundered in two. Giving one more bellow, the attacker brought the axe down in an overhead swing on the lifeless upper half of Double A and split the head in two. Heaving, the attacker slung the axe over its back, and stalked from from the shack.







Meanwhile, in a grand house, long abandoned, a young woman in a flowing white robe drifted about the archway into home. She seemed to be almost weightless as she floated about, sprinkling about a strange powder on the ground. She wandered further into the house for a moment and held her hand aloft. A body, which had been laying on a stone bench, levitated up, and followed her back to the archway. It settled itself down on its back in the archway with an unnatural grace.


The woman crouched down and whispered to it. “Your time is not yet done. The gatekeeper has not accepted your toll. Your story has not been written.” She stood up. She held both hands high. A faint, white light began to shine from them. She touched the sides of the arch, and the stone itself began to glow. The space of the archway began to shine, growing brighter, brighter, until it peaked into a blinding light.


Andres coughed. What... where? He was on his back, covered with pink petals. He twisted his head around. Nobody was here.... He shook his head. He started to get up, but a stiff back quickly sat him back down. “Well... I guess I'll wait for the morning....” he thought to himself.






Alive: 28

Andres
Autolycus
Believer
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Earthling
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Renata
Riedquat
Robbiecon
Secura
Seon
SoulBlade
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
White Eyes
Yaropolk
Zack



Killed: 9

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)


Lynched: 4

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)

[Zack]

Is Andres supposed to still be on the "Killed" list?

[Tratorix]

Well, he was killed. He just got better.

[Riedquat]

That's a healthy attitude in a game like this.

Lynch them all, 'khaan will sort them out.

Do you keep thinking the same now? :laugh4:

[TheLastDays]

Yay, welcome back Sir Andres :yes: now let's lynch him because probably he has ben converted by that resurreciton :clown:

Just so it's clear. That was a joke.

vote: Earthling

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

vote: Earthling

Why the hell not. :clown:

[Diamondeye]

Is Andres supposed to still be on the "Killed" list?

I think so even though he was apparently revivied.

[Earthling]

Rather surprised the scum attempted such a poor frame job with their kills but it makes things a little easier in the short term.

vote: TheLastDays

Meanwhile we do seem to have too many neutrals or third parties up and about at night. Axeguy, Zack as you're quite possibly neutral with the latest Axeguy news, and any others, we'll likely end up killing you if you don't come forward sooner, think about it.

[TheLastDays]

Who exactly got framed by these kills? Also Zack is the axe guy?

[Earthling]

1) If you're that forgetful ask your partners.
2) No, clearly not, Zack is just looking like another neutral at least because we have

God Emperor: non-human scum, survives
Zack: ???, survives
Double A: likely human townie, dies

[Riedquat]

Meanwhile we do seem to have too many neutrals or third parties up and about at night. Axeguy, Zack as you're quite possibly neutral with the latest Axeguy news, and any others, we'll likely end up killing you if you don't come forward sooner, think about it.

What? Please explain further if you can... I'm confused too...

[TheLastDays]

God Emperor: non-human scum, survives
[...]
Double A: likely human townie, dies

You say this as if it is proven fact. You're a manipulator trying to pull his strings. And a liar.

[Zack]

Who exactly got framed by these kills? Also Zack is the axe guy?
No, I was attacked by the axe guy.

Looks like I'm getting framed, too. Killing Romanic (who I've voted the last few days) and Double A (one of Andres' top two suspects, the other being myself), and bringing Andres back to life (the only person who has been accusing me) -- for whatever reason, all of the night events lined up perfectly for someone who wants me to be lynched.

[TheLastDays]

Ok I can see that now. I sure hope we can trust Andres after his resurrection.

I'm also curious about the first part of the writeup. It could be a hint about the female protector we have seen protecting Yaropolk before. We know Andres was a protector too, so they could be linked. Maybe she got another ability due to his death. Or she has turned into a third party. Anything can happen in Netherworld games I guess. Here's me hoping for the former.

[dcmort93]

When was the last time anyone heard from Vote Death is Yonder?

[Diamondeye]

Vote: Earthling. Obviously..?

[Believer]

Vote: TLD. Obviouslier.

[Choxorn]

Vote: TheLastDays, because we should have killed him a long time ago.

[Zack]

God Emperor: non-human scum, survives
Zack: ???, survives
Double A: likely human townie, dies
Why are you so fixated on "human = good, non-human = bad" this game?

[Chaotix]

Earthling seems like a scapegoat. TLD seems like a scapegoat. Everyone seems like a scapegoat.

Vote: Diamondeye

[Andres]

Vote : Andres

He must be scum, since he got resurrected. At least, he should explain himself.

[Andres]

Vote : Andres

He must be scum, since he got resurrected. At least, he should explain himself.

What is there to explain? Somebody decided it would be a good idea to resurrect me. Instead of questioning me, you should question the person who resurrected me; I didn't resurrect myself, it's not my fault that I'm alive again. Not that I'm complaining of course. Anyway, I won't reveal the identity of my resurrector, no matter how much pressure you'll put on me.

I will also not cooperate with whatever town network there might exist. First, because I don't like townie networks. Secondly, because I don't trust townie networks. Thirdly, because the host himself said he will mess with townie networks.

Unvote; Vote : Chaotix

Why DiamondEye?

[Arjos]

Beside that, the axe guy (was it really him?) killed someone, what are all these hoaxes? :D

[Death is yonder]

“My dearest friend... my companion... why? Why you? The world did not deserve such a noble one as yourself. But they will know your death, they will know the injustice of it. They shall weep for you as I do. This, I guarantee. For they will know my sorrow, my agony, my fury! I will create for you a monument on the greatest hill in Babylon, and all will bow before it and lament for their loss! But those who do not lament for you, those who struck you down, they will know my wrath! They shall know anger hotter than the sun, fury unquenchable even by the Euphrates itself!”

And so the shadowy figure, trembling, picked up the body and laid it on the bed. In the darkness, a red aura seemed to seep from the figure, as it turned to the door, to depart for the night.

The tone of it, plus the underlined section sounds like a third party neutral or something just turned to the dark side, whether it was triggered by fluffy's death or otherwise.

Actually, a quick glance at the OP's mention of roles raises a possibility that this was the mason pair.


For what it's worth, I didn't think God Emperor was scum either.

Against popular opinion, TLD stated that he believed G_E was innocent and afterwards, he stuck to his guns. That's not scummy behaviour at all; on the contrary. Scum would've probably made a U-turn, attempting to make it somehow believable, go with the flow and hope everybody would forget about it sooner rather than later.

I think you guys are all barking upon the wrong tree here.

Zack and Double A are more suspicous than TLD.

While I might not agree with the first part about GE, I'll concede that that second part may be plausible, and my continued survival does make me wonder.


When was the last time anyone heard from Vote Death is Yonder?

Well excuse me for being perpetually busy, plus my own timezone doesn't exactly help me in being online during the buzz of activity, but I mostly blame busy-ness :tongue:


Anyway, I won't reveal the identity of my resurrector, no matter how much pressure you'll put on me.


I must admit to being somewhat curious that you know the identity of your resurrector, although I suppose that would be linked to the latter part of your statement.

Vote: Chaotix

Hmmm.

[TheLastDays]

Are you guys even thinking about why to lynch someone or are you just blindly following [MAFIA] Earthling?

[Secura]

vote: White Eyes

Hasn't been particularly active thus far but has been submitting night orders in some way, shape or form; I voted for him yesterday for this reason too.

[Captain Blackadder]

vote: White Eyes

Hasn't been particularly active thus far but has been submitting night orders in some way, shape or form; I voted for him yesterday for this reason too.

I am curious how do you know what he has being doing?

[Riedquat]

Are you guys even thinking about why to lynch someone or are you just blindly following [MAFIA] Earthling?

Like you thought when your vote was the coup de grace over Atpg? :stare:

I'm not going to follow Earthling, neither I will think much (I try to avoid activities that don't suit me well). I will vote for you by pure accident! :yes:

[Double A]

Wait. Either Axe Guy is a vig and doesn't want town distracted (as in doesn't want Andres voting for someone else?) or that he's a really dumb anti-town. Even if I had gotten off the hook now, I'd most certainly have been lynch bait another 10 days in. Or maybe they're scared of a productive Double A? I have to admit, so am I.

What's most likely is that Axe Guy is either inexperienced and doesn't know I'll screw everything up when I don't mean to, or he's Sasaki and is trying to WIFOM me... even though he's not in the game... somehow.

[Andres]

I must admit to being somewhat curious that you know the identity of your resurrector, although I suppose that would be linked to the latter part of your statement.



In fact, somebody contacted me, claiming to be responsible for my resurrection; I didn't get that information directly from the host. That said, I don't see why that person would lie about it. And if that person has lied, then the real resurrector now knows that somebody is claiming his/her role in private.


vote: White Eyes

Hasn't been particularly active thus far but has been submitting night orders in some way, shape or form; I voted for him yesterday for this reason too.

:inquisitive:

[Secura]

I am curious how do you know what he has being doing?

Because I'm a pal and a confidante.

Now, White Eyes is not the only person that I know has been active at night, nor is nocturnal activity itself is indicative of scum, but he is the most suspicious person on my list, thus he gets my vote.

[Renata]

I am curious how do you know what he has being doing?

vote: Captain Blackadder

This looks like you're trying to make sure you know what lies behind Secura's statement before you decide which way to jump.

[Diamondeye]

I don't think Chaotix is a particularly enchanting lynch, but I'd like to know his reasons for voting me anyway.

[johnhughthom]

This looks like you're trying to make sure you know what lies behind Secura's statement before you decide which way to jump.

What's wrong with that?

[Seon]

Nah, I believe Chaotix over Diamondeye traitor scum.

Vote: Diamondeye

[Death is yonder]

Traitor? Strong words to use considering that the Night 1 kill of Tincow consisted of the female killer telling him to "Die, Traitor" (from memory).

[woad&fangs]

vote: white_eyes
I'm sticking with my vote for (probable) power roles plan.

[classical_hero]

Vote:Chaotix

[autolycus]

vote: Diamondeye

[Romanic]

Tally with just a little more than 1 hour to go:

3 Earthling (TheLastDays, Warman, Diamondeye)
3 TheLastDays (Earthling, Believer, Choxorn)
3 Diamondeye (Chaotix, Seon, autolycus)
3 Chaotix (Andres, Death is yonder, classical_hero)
2 White Eyes (Secura, autolycus)
1 Death is yonder (dcmort)
1 Captain Blackadder (Renata)

4-way tie :grin:

In my opinion you should be voting White Eyes, following Secura.

Alternatively you can vote Renata, her vote on CB can't be genuine, whatever she is, she's not Town in this game, trust me on that.

[Chaotix]

I don't think Chaotix is a particularly enchanting lynch, but I'd like to know his reasons for voting me anyway.

Eh.

Basically a throwaway vote. You were like the first person to vote for Earthling or TLD that wasn't Earthling or TLD.

That and you're always mafia.

Don't mistake me for being serious, people. I'm totally lost and just trying to have fun. I'll probably change my vote if we get a solid case on someone, but alas this is the mid-game so it's unlikely.

[Diamondeye]

If you're not serious, I would appreciate not being lynched for serious. I'm not important, but I like being alive. Also I might break the tie in my own favour and get you lynched. But I won't. Yet.

[Romanic]

Stop it both of you and be good Townies.

Vote White Eyes please.

[Chaotix]

Alright, I'll go with your preferred candidate, though it makes me feel devoid of any intelligence.

You aren't really a better choice, and at least the textwalls won't have any weight behind them.

Unvote, Vote: Earthling

We better step up our game here, I feel like this game will be an echo of Mafia IX and Midgard if we don't.

[Riedquat]

Tally with just a little more than 1 hour to go

More than 5 hours to go... :dizzy2:

Vote: TheLastDays

[Chaotix]

Stop it both of you and be good Townies.

Vote White Eyes please.

Romanic, the last time the town followed you we lynched fluffy for being fluffy and got him to change his name and leave the forums. Now you wanna lynch whiteeyes for being whiteeyes?

[Diamondeye]

I agree, currently this is not going great, I just picked Earthling because he's always like this and he says smarter things once he's dead. He might even randomly be scum.

[Riedquat]

Stop it both of you and be good Townies.

Vote White Eyes please.

So this is the random wagon for today? Isn't to early to start it?

[Romanic]

Romanic, the last time the town followed you we lynched fluffy for being fluffy and got him to change his name and leave the forums. Now you wanna lynch whiteeyes for being whiteeyes?
Secura is saying that White Eyes is active at night, read her posts again. That hardly a case of lynching WE for being himself.

About Fluffy - I got nothing to do with his decision to leave the forums. Don't put that blame on me. All I did was voting him because I thought he could be mafia - and there's still a chance he was.

[Death is yonder]

Secura is saying that White Eyes is active at night, read her posts again. That hardly a case of lynching WE for being himself.

I highly doubt that WE as scum would lurk as mafia, he has always struck me as the type to relish in playing the game to his utmost, conniving and being active. I strongly doubt he should be lynched for that sole reason.

My 2.30am brain is semi-tempted to vote for TLD but something about Chaotix strikes me as being similar to his performance in Revengening.

[Renata]

Go ahead and push for my lynch Romanic, I'm not doing anyone any good anyway.

If you don't understand why I voted for CB I don't know what to tell you.

[Chaotix]

Secura is saying that White Eyes is active at night, read her posts again. That hardly a case of lynching WE for being himself.

About Fluffy - I got nothing to do with his decision to leave the forums. Don't put that blame on me. All I did was voting him because I thought he could be mafia - and there's still a chance he was.

First- didn't mean to imply it was your fault for fluffy leaving, sorry. Just meant it was a bad lynch.

Second- lynching people with night actions is what made us lose Midgard. We lynched like a god and two or three kings and champions, didn't we? We need more information before I will commit to voting whiteeyes for that. There seem to be a lot of power roles in this game and I'd rather not kill them all of in the rare chance we get a mafioso.

[Yaropolk]

Vote: Diamondeye

[TheLastDays]

So Earthling and I are tied for #1? Just lynch him tomorrow if you lynch me today.

[Yaropolk]

Just got through the rest of the thread (was reading backwards). If W_E was active last night, lurking in thread and doesn't want to own up why, then can we please lynch him? Both TLD and Earthling have been in the public eye from day 1 so I don't think either one would risk it if they had much to lose.

unvote; vote:white_eyes

[dcmort93]

I'll head that call Yaropolk Unvote Vote white_eyes

[Zack]

Vote: White Eyes

Also, fluffy left?



A moment of silence, please. :bow:

[Romanic]

More than 5 hours to go... :dizzy2:

Vote: TheLastDays
Then there's a problem with the deadline timer because the Day should be completed from where I stand. The timer reads "Voting concluded".

I'm guessing the problem would be timezone related.

[Yaropolk]

And tally for those who care:
5 White Eyes (Secura, autolycus, yaro, dcmort, zack)
4 Earthling (TheLastDays, Warman, Diamondeye, Chaotix)
4 TheLastDays (Earthling, Believer, Choxorn, Riedquat)
2 Diamondeye (Seon, autolycus)
3 Chaotix (Andres, Death is yonder, classical_hero)
1 Captain Blackadder (Renata)

[Earthling]

It'll be disappointing if we find out in the end of things that white_eyes wasn't really bad and just never got around to addressing anything. But then again, if no one was already aware of him being a town role and he's active at night then he's at least neutral or scum.

[Earthling]

And that should be unvote; vote: white_eyes

[Secura]

and there's still a chance he was.

In the very least, he was active at night too.

Unfortunately, my information is basically a list of those I know to be inactive at night (probable vanilla townies, possibly some forgetful people though) and those who were busy doing something (possible scum, power roles, third parties); the former is of greater use currently, the latter requiring a detective to make sense of and all that.

[johnhughthom]

Vote: White_eyes.

Not sure why I'm following Secura, she sucks at large games.

[glyphz]

White_eyes:D hasn't posted here since D3...
It'd be nice if he comes back before the deadline & state his case.
Otherwise, active at night = a lead we should pursue.
Vote: White_eyes:D

[Zack]

In the very least, he was active at night too.

Unfortunately, my information is basically a list of those I know to be inactive at night (probable vanilla townies, possibly some forgetful people though) and those who were busy doing something (possible scum, power roles, third parties); the former is of greater use currently, the latter requiring a detective to make sense of and all that.Which list is TLD on? Perhaps we can finally resolve that matter.

[TheLastDays]

Yes lets please settle the matter because honestly the tension is killing me :clown:

I love you all, you know? :yes:

[seireikhaan]

A) Not too thrilled with the number of people not voting.

B) I spent the day power washing and scraping a house. Dead tired.

Thus, I'm extending the round by 12 hours.

[Secura]

Which list is TLD on? Perhaps we can finally resolve that matter.

He isn't on either list, because he hasn't been tracked at night; Romanic didn't want to waste a night action on a player who would probably be lynched.

[Choxorn]

Vote: White_eyes.

Not sure why I'm following Secura, she sucks at large games.

Unvote, Vote: johnhughthom

This is the second day in a row you made a vote near the end of the day to join a sudden end-of-day bandwagon that sprouted from almost nowhere, and I'm getting a scummy vibe from you. Care to explain that?

[woad&fangs]

The tally is missing my vote on white_eyes. Keep that in mind if things are close.

[johnhughthom]

Unvote, Vote: johnhughthom

This is the second day in a row you made a vote near the end of the day to join a sudden end-of-day bandwagon that sprouted from almost nowhere, and I'm getting a scummy vibe from you. Care to explain that?

Nope.

[Reenk Roink]

That's what you get White eyes :smug:

[Ironside]

First- didn't mean to imply it was your fault for fluffy leaving, sorry. Just meant it was a bad lynch.

Second- lynching people with night actions is what made us lose Midgard. We lynched like a god and two or three kings and champions, didn't we? We need more information before I will commit to voting whiteeyes for that. There seem to be a lot of power roles in this game and I'd rather not kill them all of in the rare chance we get a mafioso.

:inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive:

Those powerroles in Midgård didn't die due to anthing related to thier night activities. On the other hand both Tincow and Andres were left alive after being known powerroles. This reversal of facts stinks of desperate defense -> scummy.

Are you telling us that you and White eyes are scum mates Chaotix? :book:

[Diamondeye]

Unvote; Vote: W_E:D.

[Khazaar]

I agree with Ironside, we lost Midgard due to not lynching potential suspects like Andres.

Vote: Chaotix

[seireikhaan]

Tally:

White Eyes 10(Diamondeye, Glyphz, JHT, earthling, woad&fangs, Secura, autolycus, yaro, dcmort, zack)
Chaotix 4 (Khazaar, Andres, Death is yonder, classical_hero)
Earthling 3 (TheLastDays, Warman, Chaotix)
TheLastDays 2 (Believer, Riedquat)
Diamondeye 2 (Seon, autolycus)
Captain Blackadder 1 (Renata)
Johnhuhthom 1 (Choxorn)

Not voting: Beskar, Captain Blackadder, white eyes, Soul Blade, Seon, robbiecon, GH.


White Eyes was lynched. Writeup in progress. Night orders may be sent.

[Seon]

How am I voting and not voting at the same time? :p

[Renata]

I guess you're just special that way. :)

[seireikhaan]

"So, the next day, when Mainyu gathered his forces once ag-" A knocking sound from the door quieted the elderly man. He raised an eyebrow, then a pointer finger to his lips. "Hush. I'll be right back." The girl immediately buried herself in blankets and closed her eyes. With a limp, the old man got up from his chair and stumped over to the door and cracked it open.

"Dad, is she in bed yet?" a deep, calm voice queried. "It's well past her bed time."

"I was just finishing up a story. She might be asleep already, but just let me finish up."

"Alright. Keep it short. We've got a surprise waiting for you down in the dining room."

The old man raised an eyebrow again. "Alright, I'll finish up and come down. Just gimme a few minutes." With that, he closed the door once more. He stumped back over to the rocking chair and sat down. He could see the young girl peeking an eye open. "It's all clear," he told her. She immediately jumped back up into a sitting position, with her back resting on the wall. "Now," he said, clapping his hands together. "Back to the story.

"Angra Mainyu gathered his supporters once more. At first, it seemed everyone was at a loss for what to do. Accusations starting to flurry about, and nobody seemed to be the one obvious candidate. But about halfway through, an accusation came against White eyes, that he had been observed stalking the city at night. When he didn't even speak in his own defense, and instead stuck his head up and ignored it, others became mad at him. So, when Mainyu declared that time was up, there was a clear consensus. He was dragged up to the throne. Angra Mainyu didn't even bother to stand up from his throne. Instead, he held out his left hand. A servant, bowing before him, lay a sword in it.

White eyes, knelt before him, did not even look up at his executioner. Mainyu scowled at the obstinate one before him. He decided if the executed would not even honor him with a last word, he would return the disfavor. So, from a sitting position, he swung his left hand in a short arc, and white eyes fell before him.

'Go, my followers! Find more evidence! I favor the proactive! Create pressure! We shall squeeze them out once and for all!'



White Eyes 10 (Diamondeye, Glyphz, JHT, earthling, woad&fangs, Secura, autolycus, yaro, dcmort, zack)
Chaotix 4 (Khazaar, Andres, Death is yonder, classical_hero)
Earthling 3 (TheLastDays, Warman, Chaotix)
TheLastDays 2 (Believer, Riedquat)
Diamondeye 2 (Seon, autolycus)
Captain Blackadder 1 (Renata)
Johnhuhthom 1 (Choxorn)

Not voting: Beskar, Captain Blackadder, white eyes, Soul Blade, Seon, robbiecon, GH.

SoulBlade and Robbiecon will suffer wrath of khaan or be replaced if they do not vote the next phase!





Alive: 27

Andres
Autolycus
Believer
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Earthling
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Renata
Riedquat
Robbiecon
Secura
Seon
SoulBlade
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
White Eyes
Yaropolk
Zack



Killed: 9

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)


Lynched: 5

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)

[Visor]

IF you accept dead players, I'd like to replace.

[Believer]

IF you accept dead players, I'd like to replace.
With a player who has the ability to ressurrect people I highly doubt that.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

How about a ability to make Cashews,Milk and Gingerbreadmen?

[seireikhaan]

IF you accept dead players, I'd like to replace.
Afraid not, mostly for the reason Believer outlined.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No revive for me, thanks. I was a lynchee, that's just bad form. Plus I'm not following closely, busy elsewhere.

[Tratorix]

I, on the other hand would love to be revived. I've always wanted to be a zombie.

[seireikhaan]

I'm missing some orders. Round will be extended.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Can I pre-apply for a revive?

[Double A]

Don't revive me, I'd rather sit and attempt to be helpful as a ghost than end up dying as a zombie.

[Believer]

Could we please stop with the deadline extensions? This game is already like 3-4 days longer than it should've been because of this.

[Arjos]

Let's just WoK everyone ^^

[TheLastDays]

Could we please stop with the deadline extensions? This game is already like 3-4 days longer than it should've been because of this.

What exactly is your problem with round extensions? They tend to favour the town more than the Mafia.

[seireikhaan]

Apologies, net access became a bit problematic.

Secura stood atop the tall, communal building, arms held out, taking in what was becoming a cloudy, murky, but cool night. Breathing deep, she could suddenly feel a break in the chill. An unexplained warmth swept over. She cautiously turned. She could hear a crunching sound from the other side. A hand clasped the top of the building, and a flash of fire announced the presence of her guest, who vaulted atop the building in one motion. He was a tall, dark figure, underneath an aura of brilliant orange and blue flames. Secura panicked just a bit, head on a swivel for an escape. Her guest unsheathed a long, wickedly curved blade, darker than blackest night. As he began his slow, stalking approach, the latch to the roof opened, and a woman bounded up in a flash just feet in front of him. Her bronze helmet and shield glinted for a second as a hint of moonlight peaked through the clouds. "So, you've finally shown yourself," she said. "Things must be desperate."

Beneath the aura, a small scowl adorned the intruder's face. The woman turned her head slightly, and whispered to Secura, "Jump. The fall will not hurt. This fight will be ugly." As she turned her head back, the intruder was already on her, weapon sweeping across. She raised her shield. The blade carved straight into it, tearing through like it was dry mud. It sliced into her left arm, but she withstood the agony to deliver her spear into his gut. He gave a mighty roar of agony, but did not pause, slicing his sword downward through the spear, cutting it in half. The woman gave a front kick to give herself distance. An unnatural black fluid issued from her wound. Her vision was going blurry.

Earthling stumbled backwards. The intruder raised a hand, grinning through the pain. A great vortex of fire shot fom his palm and engulfed Earthling for good.

Alive: 26

Andres
Autolycus
Believer
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Renata
Riedquat
Robbiecon
Secura
Seon
SoulBlade
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
White Eyes
Yaropolk
Zack



Killed: 10

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)


Lynched: 5

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

:dizzy2::book:

[GeneralHankerchief]

khaan's posting from a phone right now, he's given me permission to make the writeup look presentable. Stand by, everyone. :yes:

-edit- Actually that will have to wait a couple hours since I'm heading out right now. Sorry.

[johnhughthom]

Hmm, dead Secura. Didn't see that coming...

[Renata]

I think it's Earthling.

Anyway, vote: glyphz.

[Choxorn]

Vote: TheLastDays

[Believer]

Vote: Glyphz



@TLD: I have a slight problem with a night that gets extended to 48 hours. There was about 3 posts during that entire night, right?
For reasons I won't give you here I couldn't participate in the day before the night so that basically makes me inactive for 3 days (72 hours). This disturbs me when I'm really trying in a game.

[dcmort93]

as with the past few days now, Vote Glyphz

[Earthling]

glyphz is clearly not scum. Feel free to kill TLD, Renata, and Zack (though the latter two may be neutral as seen in thread discussion) in some order unless some of the living have more recent evidence to present.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Vote:TLD

[GeneralHankerchief]

Kill summary tweaked. I assume from the writeup that Secura's still alive, since it's looking like Earthling took it in her place.

[classical_hero]

When is the end of the phase?

[Ironside]

White eyes gets lynched and we see a drop in kills.

Chaotix gives an odd defense on White eyes.

Nope, no chance for a connection there.

[TheLastDays]

Alright, I was wrong about Earthling. Unfortunately he was and still is also wrong about me. Don't warte a round on me. vote: White_Eyes:D

[TheLastDays]

Alright, I was wrong about Earthling. Unfortunately he was and still is also wrong about me. Don't warte a round on me. vote: White_Eyes:D

[Diamondeye]

Vote:Chaotix.

[robbiecon]

Vote: TheLastDays

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Renata

Her response to my post last round in regards to secura struck me as very odd. She seemed to jump on me when what I wanted was the entire info before making my vote.

[Renata]

glyphz is clearly not scum.

Interesting comment from someone who had black fluid for blood. Glyphz needs lynching. It's Sunday and I won't be around; if I have to go first to make my point, so be it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alright, I was wrong about Earthling. Unfortunately he was and still is also wrong about me. Don't warte a round on me. vote: White_Eyes:D


Lynched: 5

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)

Waste a round on white eyes instead?

I approve. Being killed once is too good for him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: TheLastDays

Putting as much thought into it as TheLastDays, I see. Come on Robbie, I know you're an awesome guy, I want to see the awesome shine.


Also @ Renata: Sure, glyphz. Why not. :evilgrin: I like that one.

[Secura]

Well, I didn't see that one coming, I expected to be killed too; thanks for protecting me Earthling, I'll be sure to repay your faith in my words. :P


Interesting comment from someone who had black fluid for blood.

Not quite as interesting as you pointing it out, though; what exactly are you trying to suggest here? :inquisitive:

In fact, I have a better question; what have you been getting up to at night? On Night 3, an attempt was made to track Zack's movements, but for some reason it was deflected and you were the tracked target instead; it wasn't much of a big deal, since you were found to be active so it wasn't a wasted action. Your activity was played down at first, since Romanic wanted to speak to you and see which way the grass grows, so to speak... but he's dead now, and then I'm attacked, smells more than a little fishy.

Speaking of Council of Villains, wasn't it you who killed me in that game, having incorrectly assumed that Beskar's information had come from me? Is that what's happened here too, did you see Secura as a threat again and decided to go for the knockout punch? I think it's going to be you who eats canvas now though, treacle.

vote: Renata

[robbiecon]

Putting as much thought into it as TheLastDays, I see. Come on Robbie, I know you're an awesome guy, I want to see the awesome shine.


Also @ Renata: Sure, glyphz. Why not. :evilgrin: I like that one.

You've made as good a case as I could in the following:


Lynched: 5

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)

Waste a round on white eyes instead?

I approve. Being killed once is too good for him.

I've not been here as much as TLD, and yet, at least I checked who was actually dead. I'll let TLD sign his own death warrant with his failvote. There might be some magnificent post in me, but I'm only finding my way back into the game. It must be at least 15 pages since I last checked in.

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Renata

[Yaropolk]

Vote: Renata
Let's hear what she has to say.

GH or Khaan - what time will this round end?

[Death is yonder]

what exactly are you trying to suggest here?

Yes indeed, my first thought that comes to mind when I read that comment.

Earthling's description as the bronze armored protector clearly indicates that he was responsible for the protections of many people.

Vote: Renata

Other suspects can wait, your comment seemed like it was intended to induce discrediting of Earthling's remark that glyphz should not be lynched, especially when taken into consideration your desire to lynch glyphz.


though the latter two may be neutral

Perhaps we may see, 'khaan did promise that neutrals would definitely have a "different" feel to their write up.

[TheLastDays]

Yes, I'm in the road, checking in from my phone because I don't feel like being inactive when I signed up for a game (and because I'm trying to keep track on my own game) got tons of other things on my mind and made a vote that i didn't even mean to make and the only explanation I have is that I was probably influenced by a post prior to mine. I'm clearly scum :rolleyes:

After reading the latest exchange I'll go along with unvote, vote: Renata

But go ahead and lynch me. At least then I won't feel guilty about dropping to inactivity.

[Renata]

Glyphz said he was just a vanilla townie; he's not. He was active last night.

Also, I'm not sure which night you're referring to as night three, since it was a night start, but I was NOT active that night regardless of which one it was. Here are my actions:

-- scan xxxxx (inactive) [Someone knows who this was, but I see no point in giving the identity of a probable townie in public.]
-- scan God Emperor (active)
-- missed order deadline
-- tried to scan glyphz, was roleblocked
-- tried to scan glyphz, was roleblocked [Supposedly a different player from the first, if that can be believed.]
-- scan glyphz (active)

I seem to have been the target of just about very single mafia, cult, third party and townie power out there, short of the killers. It's been charming, let me tell you.

glyphz was saved twice by late bandwagons. One was led by Romanic, who was acting entirely too smug about *something* for a while there, before he got night killed. The other was contributed to by Earthling, who -- whatever he was and whatever his intentions in protecting several players -- was certainly no townie (black blood?) Whatever I'm onto doesn't appear to be the mafia (hence the "interesting" comment to Earthling), but it's something.

Like I've said, lynch me first if you have to. I'm not living much longer anyway. Just lynch glyphz next.