Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[TheLastDays]

Zack deflected a scan ability when someone tried to scan him, and was attacked by a serial killer and survived. (well, possible sk-ish neutral, no perfect guarantee of what Axeguy was as a character). Zack still has given no explanation, other than "the killer must not have a 100% chance of killing." We had two townies killed by said killer while the other surviver was GE, a non-human, non-townie.

Also, Zack has voted to lynch several townies and in defense of a couple of possible cultists/scum.

Well parts of this case make sense, others don't. I still don't see how being non-human is an indication of anything in this setup. Most of the followers of Mainyu will be some kind of weird beings just as the attackers and probably most third parties. GH's character (the axeguy) complained about the Gods and Demons taking over his realm (I guess he's some kind of character from the area around Babylon).

Did we have scan results on GE that showed that he was active on Night 1? If not, why are we sure he was a power role of some sorts? I'm not trying to keep looking back at old stuff but basing the case against Zack on the flawed case against GE is not a good idea.

The rest of the case makes much more sense and now I remember that Zack didn't have an explanation for deflecting the scan either. This is actually evidence for some power being involved in surviving the attack and that brings new light to the case against GE, not vice versa.

It might get me lynched but I'll unvote, vote: Zack for now.

[autolycus]

This stuff about Zack seems a better lead than anything else. unvote; vote: Zack.

[Earthling]

Did we have scan results on GE that showed that he was active on Night 1? If not, why are we sure he was a power role of some sorts?

Yeah, again, if you "don't remember" Renata claims she saw GE active, presumably killing someone (N2). If you were a townie you could believe at least one of GE or Renata has be wholly scum and was lying but one of those conclusions should really be very obvious.

[Riedquat]

Apart from the people I mentioned earlier I'm not inclined against any of the current candidates for today at the point I almost agree with the FoSing of GeneralAxeChief.:stare:

Following dead townies advice here, vote: Zack

[Andres]

Finally, they're voting Zack :wall:

Don't forget to get rid of Beskar before you reach end-game. He's clearly manipulating the lot of you.

[TheLastDays]

This stuff about Zack seems a better lead than anything else. unvote; vote: Zack.

This isn't any better than your vote on me and it'll not get you off my radar.

[Chaotix]

You could explain why you came up with the odd conclusion of not to lynch power roles was the lesson learned from Midgard. Since 2 known powerroles was scum and most of the early townie exposure didn't come from lynching but from duels.

Defending White_Eyes is one thing (although he has pretty much confirmed himself as a non townie based on later behavior), doing it with a flawed defense is another.

Fair enough, you have a point. Thinking about Midgard when I made that statement, I was mainly considering the deaths of the God roles and the lynches of the Kings and Champions (granted, didn't really have powers), and how frustrated it made me in the endgame that we had seemingly no pro-towns left to take on a full mafia team. I hadn't considered Loki and the princess, and you bring up a good point about that.

My main criticism of lynching the power roles is from Netherworld II, though (which seems somehow more relevant), where I was lynched as a suspicious-looking but definitely pro-town power role. I don't remember whether town or mafia won that one, but I DO remember being pretty pissed off about that. :laugh4:

Fortunately for us, I do agree that it looks like White_eyes was not a suspicious looking pro-town, but probably a mafioso.

Unvote, Vote: Zack

This is essentially self-preservation, but I do believe there's more evidence on Zack than on TLD.

[Zack]

I've already said I'm just a vanilla townie. That's the truth. If you want a waste a lynch on me because of my refusal to lie about my role, then feel free to do so.

IIRC the deflected scan on me was due to a bus driver switch, but I'm not really sure. Again, I'm just vanilla.

[Choxorn]

Well, looks like john isn't getting lynched. Between the two of them, Zack is far more scummy than Chaotix, so Unvote, Vote: Zack

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote: the last days

Sorry I have being sick for the past few days and on teaching rounds before that so I will attempt to catch up.

[TheLastDays]

Vote: the last days

Sorry I have being sick for the past few days and on teaching rounds before that so I will attempt to catch up.

Alright, catch up and when you're done catching up, even if your vote stays on me, provide some reasoning, if you will, thanks.

[woad&fangs]

I was planning on voting GH today. Looks like I have to switch gears, hmmmm....
vote: Zack
Two suspicious circumstances is too many.

[Riedquat]

4 hours to go...

Zack 6 (TLD, autolycus, Riedquat, Chaotix, Choxorn, woad&fangs)
Chaotix 4 (warman, DiY, Beskar, Diamondeye)
Choxorn 1 (Zack)
TLD 1 (Captain Blackadder)

[Beskar]

Don't forget to get rid of Beskar before you reach end-game. He's clearly manipulating the lot of you.

I wish I held such power. You give me far more credit and importance then what I deserve, Obi-wan Andresobi.

[Beskar]

Now to see if this whole thing is simply a distraction or the real deal.

unvote; vote: Zack

[Zack]

Well, looks like john isn't getting lynched. Between the two of them, Zack is far more scummy than Chaotix, so Unvote, Vote: Zack
There you go again, jumping on a bandwagon, letting others make the case for you, and voting someone for "being scummy".

[Believer]

How am I not revived yet? You guys know I deserve it, come on.

[GeneralHankerchief]

How am I not revived yet? You guys know I deserve it, come on.

Yeah, I deserve it too.

[Believer]

Yeah, I deserve it too.

Almost as much as I do.

[Zack]

How am I not revived yet? You guys know I deserve it, come on.
Maybe if you ask thirty more times?

[glyphz]

Branded as a 'cultist' now?:sweatdrop:

Vote: Zack

If axe-man (GH) can take out the blocker, then Zack may be more than what he claimed to be.

[dcmort93]

Not paying attention too much at the moment and I dont want to hop on the zack wagon so Vote Abstain

[Major Robert Dump]

I am still catching up on events

Vote: abstain.
Send a PM if you need a tie breaker

[Zack]

Branded as a 'cultist' now?:sweatdrop:

Vote: Zack

If axe-man (GH) can take out the blocker, then Zack may be more than what he claimed to be.
Not really. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Axeguy was only able to kill certain powerful people.

[glyphz]

Not really. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Axeguy was only able to kill certain powerful people.Came across that possibility as well, and I haven't discarded the possibility that Ax-man might have a % success rate.

However, it is admittedly hard to ignore the point that you survived when Yaropolk didn't. It would also imply that God_Emperor did not have a role, while Double A did.

Hopefully, your lynch write-up, as well the following night results, could shed some light on your alignment (then again God Emperor's write-up did not do much to identify which side he belonged to... )

[seireikhaan]

Round over, writeup in progress.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I still can't believe there's an axe guy in this game, and I died via a LYNCH.

You had it in your hands, people.

You had the chance.

To axe the pizzaguy.

[TheLastDays]

In fact GH had it in his hand, the axe. Blame him :tongue:

[Secura]

I think you should lynch TheLastDays during the next day phase; twice as many posts as the next person and he's still alive? I'm calling shenanigans.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In fact GH had it in his hand, the axe. Blame him :tongue:

I would have blamed GH anyway.

[TheLastDays]

I think you should lynch TheLastDays during the next day phase; twice as many posts as the next person and he's still alive? I'm calling shenanigans.

I think you're wrong. And your point is that I am alive and post much? I sincerely hope cases are better at this point of the game.

[Andres]

I am still catching up on events

Vote: abstain.
Send a PM if you need a tie breaker

FoS : MRD

Then again, MRD is a nice guy, so I think he should win this game as the mafioso he is.

LEAVE MRD ALONE!!! YES, I KNOW HE'S MAFIA, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER! HE MUST WIN THIS GAME!!!

It would be awesome, if MRD would turn out to be some hot Godess with endless legs :kiss:

[Visor]

LEAVE MRD ALONE!!! YES, I KNOW HE'S MAFIA, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER! HE MUST WIN THIS GAME!!!

Agreed. Go MRD!

[Secura]

I think you're wrong. And your point is that I am alive and post much? I sincerely hope cases are better at this point of the game.

You've got to be kidding me if this is your defence, but I'll bite.

The mafia killed me because they perceived me to be a threat after only seventeen posts that were largely just a couple of lines each and were largely quite cryptic and non-explanatory. On the other end of the scale, you have posted twice as much as the next person (126 posts to Fluffy's 62), to the point where every thread page has something from you, and on occasion you've come up with reams of analysis; your posts suggest that you're actively scum-hunting, you're clearly watching the game and contributing... so why are you still alive?

I see two ways that this could be answered; either you're way off the mark in every post you make (and thus the scum aren't afraid of you because your efforts are just misleading everyone) or you're independent/scum trying to look like a contributing townie; neither of these answers look good for you, though.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Cashews and Milk anyone, to cool the heads?

[Beskar]

Cashews and Milk anyone, to cool the heads?

I bet you "cool" heads by cutting them off! ELITEWATERBOARDINGKILLINGSPREEMAFIAMAN

[TheLastDays]

You've got to be kidding me if this is your defence, but I'll bite.

The mafia killed me because they perceived me to be a threat after only seventeen posts that were largely just a couple of lines each and were largely quite cryptic and non-explanatory. On the other end of the scale, you have posted twice as much as the next person (126 posts to Fluffy's 62), to the point where every thread page has something from you, and on occasion you've come up with reams of analysis; your posts suggest that you're actively scum-hunting, you're clearly watching the game and contributing... so why are you still alive?

I see two ways that this could be answered; either you're way off the mark in every post you make (and thus the scum aren't afraid of you because your efforts are just misleading everyone) or you're independent/scum trying to look like a contributing townie; neither of these answers look good for you, though.

I know I'm just a regular townie, so option 2 is not an option for me but you could of course be right about me being way off. On the other hand I've been a candidate for the lynch quite a few times and the scums might think I'm still good lynch bait. Plus, we have only seen one kill by the Mafia for quite a while already now and they might have had more important targets to kill, like doctors and roleblockers.

[GeneralHankerchief]

:laugh4:

[TheLastDays]

On the topic of me being off in my analysis: We all know I was wrong about Earthling. Believer was definitely something other than basic townie. I don't care if he has "proven useful" in some network, third party roles in Netherworld games have a bad reputation, especially when they claim to work for the town. I haven't extensively pursued anyone else, iirc.

[Secura]

I bet you "cool" heads by cutting them off! ELITEWATERBOARDINGKILLINGSPREEMAFIAMAN

Don't be giving him ideas for even more complicated names! :P


On the other hand I've been a candidate for the lynch quite a few times and the scums might think I'm still good lynch bait.

At this stage, I don't buy this at all.

If you're repeatedly dodging the lynch and it seems like the town's never going to get around to throwing the noose at you, why would the scum continue to leave you around, if your townie claim is true? After all, you've served your purpose as far as being lynchbait goes, and the longer you're alive the more likely you are to uncover them due to your high level of activity.


Plus, we have only seen one kill by the Mafia for quite a while already now

This is either a pretty big assumption or some lovely PIS; how can you know that the mafia haven't killed in a while?

[Earthling]

On the topic of me being off in my analysis: We all know I was wrong about Earthling. Believer was definitely something other than basic townie. I don't care if he has "proven useful" in some network, third party roles in Netherworld games have a bad reputation, especially when they claim to work for the town. I haven't extensively pursued anyone else, iirc.

It's not the fact that you were wrong, it's that you directly lied to the town for no discernable reason - if you're a vanilla townie there's no motive you could have had. The argument with Believer alone is worth a lynch but that's just a start. Even if Believer is anti-town, and there's no evidence he is, he's certainly not mafia, there's no reason you should have lied about what was discussed between you two in private.

In fact you're still purposefully trying to mislead people, right here and now, since in the first half of this game you repeatedly and loudly insisted that possible third party power roles should be left to live, based on your judgment of past games, because it's not worth the risk of losing power roles. Recently with the convenience of Believer, Andres, and GH's deaths I suppose, you are arguing the opposite of what you said earlier, that it's good to get rid of any and all power roles.

And of course there are the most important and obvious events that are worth a lynch several times over - multiple scum voted to save you from being lynched, you defended God_Emperor and kept insisting he wasn't scum which can't possible be a valid townie conclusion, and I count not two but at least FOUR people who you publicly and directly argued with or had votes against you that were attacked/murdered by the mafia - B_Ray, Yaropolk, Earthling, and Believer.

[TheLastDays]

At this stage, I don't buy this at all.

If you're repeatedly dodging the lynch and it seems like the town's never going to get around to throwing the noose at you, why would the scum continue to leave you around, if your townie claim is true? After all, you've served your purpose as far as being lynchbait goes, and the longer you're alive the more likely you are to uncover them due to your high level of activity.

It's not you who has to buy it. If the Mafia thinks they can get me lynched I'm lynchbait. You probably weren't Mafia and I ain't so maybe we shouldn't make quick assumptions about what they might do or not do.


This is either a pretty big assumption or some lovely PIS; how can you know that the mafia haven't killed in a while?

What I meant was 1 Mafia kill per night. I made a mistake though in saying they killed the roleblocker, that was GH/Axeguy. They killed Axeguy last night. Anyway, my usefulness as lynchbait might have decreased 2-3 days ago, I'll give you that. The last 4 night targets by the Mafia were you (resulting in the death of Earthling, your protector), you (resulting in your death and you were probably something important), Believer (who was some kind of power role) and GH (who was Axeguy). There were no other Mafia kills. These might just have been more important targets than a basic townie who talks a lot.


It's not the fact that you were wrong, it's that you directly lied to the town for no discernable reason - if you're a vanilla townie there's no motive you could have had. The argument with Believer alone is worth a lynch but that's just a start. Even if Believer is anti-town, and there's no evidence he is, he's certainly not mafia, there's no reason you should have lied about what was discussed between you two in private.

This is cow dung. I never lied about what Believer and I discussed in private. Period. And I'll be personally offended if you keep insisting I did.


In fact you're still purposefully trying to mislead people, right here and now, since in the first half of this game you repeatedly and loudly insisted that possible third party power roles should be left to live, based on your judgment of past games, because it's not worth the risk of losing power roles. Recently with the convenience of Believer, Andres, and GH's deaths I suppose, you are arguing the opposite of what you said earlier, that it's good to get rid of any and all power roles.

I have argued only in the case of GE, that we shouldn't lynch a possible pro town power role on Day 1! Please quote me if I argued that repeatedly in other instances throughout the game. I also never referred to past games as an indication we shouldn't lynch a possible pro town power role on Day 1 without giving him a chance to redeem himself, I only referred to common sense for this decision.

I have always said that, based on earlier Netherworld installments, third party roles are dangerous.


And of course there are the most important and obvious events that are worth a lynch several times over - multiple scum voted to save you from being lynched, you defended God_Emperor and kept insisting he wasn't scum which can't possible be a valid townie conclusion, and I count not two but at least FOUR people who you publicly and directly argued with or had votes against you that were attacked/murdered by the mafia - B_Ray, Yaropolk, Earthling, and Believer.

Which scums voted to save me from the lynch? Where? Don't just claim, prove! Also, yeah, go ahead and blame me for other people's voting patterns.
I defended GE on the reasons mentioned above. I'm still not sure he was scum, it could be though, as if you were never wrong. I'll have a big "I told you so" if he flips townie.
Also, I can't influence the Mafia's kill choices, sorry. According to the writeup of the night you died, you weren't a target though, you died while protecting.

[Earthling]

Your arguments here are rather bad and self-contradictory and I think you know it. You keep saying you think the mafia are down to one guy/one kill left. Yet at the same time you refuse to believe that anybody who is dead was a mafia, even the super obvious non-town. How do you reconcile that?

If you're trying so hard as a townie and had valid reasons for your past votes perhaps it's time to make a shift and start discussing those reasons then. The only thing that was enough of a distraction for you to blend in lately were the massively convenient past couple of lynches on supposed third parties.

So how about we try an exercise, and have you build a case? You must believe that some of the lynched people were mafia if you're a townie, yet you've never acted like you had any case you thought of, except of course the ones that weren't against mafia but people who later got killed at night by them. So instead I'll give you one to build on.

Given that Renata was mafia, who are the other mafia? As stated at the start there's a group of four of them so please list out to that many and provide your reasons.

[Diamondeye]

I like Sec's reasoning. Unvote; Vote: TLD

[TheLastDays]

Your arguments here are rather bad and self-contradictory and I think you know it. You keep saying you think the mafia are down to one guy/one kill left. Yet at the same time you refuse to believe that anybody who is dead was a mafia, even the super obvious non-town. How do you reconcile that?

When have I said that I don't think anyone who was lynched was Mafia? Or even implied that? I am simply voicing my doubts sometimes.


So how about we try an exercise, and have you build a case? You must believe that some of the lynched people were mafia if you're a townie, yet you've never acted like you had any case you thought of, except of course the ones that weren't against mafia but people who later got killed at night by them. So instead I'll give you one to build on.

Given that Renata was mafia, who are the other mafia? As stated at the start there's a group of four of them so please list out to that many and provide your reasons.

Alright, I'll play along.

So far we have seen four different killers who I think were/are the Mafia killers.

- Valkyrie (Lady with pearly wings)
- Lady in bronze scale
- Green robe man
- Hades (Dark sword, fire attacks)

Looking back I have to agree that GE was scum. The pearly lady never appeared again after his lynch. I mistook the other lady for her on one night later and didn't see that until now. There was something else that lead me astray in the night 1 writeup. In Netherworld 1, when a killer had killed and was then attacked himself he it was mentioned in the writeup. I guess he just didn't do it with GE because it would have given GE away to easily.

The Green robe man and the bronze lady disappeared on subsequent nights, after the lynches of Pizza and White Eyes so I guess Pizza and WhiteEyes were scum.

I don't think Renata was Mafia. Hades was the only Mafia killer, even before her death and he didn't disappear after her lynch. I think she might have been some kind of third party.

Based on some analysis, I don't have time for more at the moment, JHT is not Mafia with Pizza. He put him in the tie that eventually got Pizza lynched.

At the moment I'm waiting for the writeup. Given that these three were scum, Zacks voting is very interesting.

[Riedquat]

I like Sec's reasoning. Unvote; Vote: TLD

Now, it should be night... :no:

Edit: Didn't noticed the bunvote! Deadline reached like 15 hours ago... more or less...

[Earthling]

Well that was very constructive. Really, thanks for the effort. Even if you're scum and are trying to use PIS/still mislead us you still put some substantial opinions into that and if it's honest good that you took a look.

That certainly gives other (living) people something to discuss, we've had a bit much of just dead people like me, Secura, and Ironside being the only ones talking about possible connections and alignments.

I do agree Zack's writeup will be rather interesting. Maybe we'll get new leads, and to lay off of TLD for one more thing:

I would ask Diamondeye, mister "no clue what's been going on except for lynching Seon" to do the same sort of thing that TLD did, he's not looking good in general and too active to be dismissed as not a potential threat, but then again maybe all the living people will step up discussion. Any townies should feel free to step up your activity really, we should have a lot of living townies, and most vanilla townies have little to fear, we should catch the mafia in time.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Don't be giving him ideas for even more complicated names! :P






To late!! :laugh4::laugh4:

[Diamondeye]

I would ask Diamondeye, mister "no clue what's been going on except for lynching Seon" to do the same sort of thing that TLD did, he's not looking good in general and too active to be dismissed as not a potential threat, but then again maybe all the living people will step up discussion. Any townies should feel free to step up your activity really, we should have a lot of living townies, and most vanilla townies have little to fear, we should catch the mafia in time.

... What exactly are you asking of me here?

[Earthling]

Give your opinion on which of the dead (lynched) people was mafia, as really everybody should agree at least a couple of them got lynched at some point already, and what connections you see to anyone still alive.

Since you said you haven't been paying attention or following along much it must be a fresh start for you right? You can look at the writeups and end of day vote tallies and that ought to be enough to give your thoughts, nothing too fancy.

[Diamondeye]

Well, GH was clearly something. I tend to trust Andres despite his weird death/revival shenanigan.

[Beskar]

Well, GH was clearly something. I tend to trust Andres despite his weird death/revival shenanigan.

You was his recruiter?

[GeneralHankerchief]

:laugh4:

[Reenk Roink]

I can't believe you killed me just because I kept voting you White eyes, I would have gladly joined your side... :stare:

[White_eyes:D]

I can't believe you killed me just because I kept voting you White eyes, I would have gladly joined your side... :stare:Even if I was scum, you think I would risk trusting you after Midgard 3?(Where you helped kill your own side) Come on Reenk, you should know me far better then that.:mellow:

I will comment here that I honestly hope you win "The Thing" mafia though(If that is you, of course). Anyone bold enough to taunt town before he jumps bodies has already won in my eyes.:laugh4:

[Reenk Roink]

Even if I was scum, you think I would risk trusting you after Midgard 3?(Where you helped kill your own side) Come on Reenk, you should know me far better then that.:mellow:

I will comment here that I honestly hope you win "The Thing" mafia though(If that is you, of course). Anyone bold enough to taunt town before he jumps bodies has already won in my eyes.:laugh4:

I seriously don't understand how you interpret events. :dizzy2:

[White_eyes:D]

Ok so, that whole revealed to a Known scum and dueled and killed a fellow King and revealed another one publicly to be killed was all just an act then?:laugh4:

What about the "don't lynch my daughter or Loki?" I admit I must be to short-sighted to see your plans.:shame:

[Reenk Roink]

Ok so, that whole revealed to a Known scum and dueled and killed a fellow King and revealed another one publicly to be killed was all just an act then?:laugh4:

What about the "don't lynch my daughter or Loki?" I admit I must be to short-sighted to see your plans.:shame:

Who was the known scum I revealed to? I revealed to TinCow yeah, was he known? No. He had a cover role as my daughter mentioned in my role PM. Not too hard to see why I revealed.

autolycus was the king I revealed so I wouldn't be killed first, and also the one I dueled. There weren't two of them as you imply. He also challenged me, not the other way around. Not my fault I was just too much for him. :pleased: Oh I guess I kept mentioning glyphz too after he was exposed, but he was publicly exposed.

Except for Nightbringer and TLD, we all trusted Loki. And why not at that point?

So yeah, your interpretations baffle me. Can you tell me why you killed me now?

[Zack]

Round over, writeup in progress.
What happened?

[Choxorn]

You died? :p

[Zack]

No, what happened to khaan.

[Believer]

It's not the fact that you were wrong, it's that you directly lied to the town for no discernable reason - if you're a vanilla townie there's no motive you could have had. The argument with Believer alone is worth a lynch but that's just a start. Even if Believer is anti-town, and there's no evidence he is, he's certainly not mafia, there's no reason you should have lied about what was discussed between you two in private.


QFT, lynch TLD please.

[Beskar]

I just realised what Warman's name actually is... "Gingy Bread Men Milk"... could be read as having some homoerotic undertones to it.

[seireikhaan]

What happened?
Severe case of passed out in my chair at 1 am from tired, followed by 9 hours of class. My apologies, on it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Severe case of passed out in my chair at 1 am from tired, followed by 9 hours of class. My apologies, on it.

Oh wow, had no idea you were back at class already.

[seireikhaan]

"Now, the next day, when they found two had been slain, there was a great murmur amongst the crowd that their progress had been nothing but an illusion. That, just like this," the old man said with a snap of his fingers, "they would find out they'd been had the whole time. But still, they moved onwards, with a rally by their leader. It didn't take very long before they threw their suspicion at Zack, for having not succumbed to an attack much earlier. Despite his pleas, very near a majority grabbed him and tossed at the steps before their lord. Two guards held blades to his neck as he was forced down before Angra Mainyu.

Mainyu stood from his throne, and waited for a second before speaking. "I believe you're missing another as well. He leveled a pointed finger at Khazaar, who began to panic. Several of the entourage grabbed him and forced him next to Zack. One for cowardice and laziness, the other for treachery,' Mainyu declared. 'Both sins against the great, one future! So we shall prune the unfit from our ranks, so that the mighty and glorious may create a better future!'

And so, he held out his hands, an intense red energy bouncing back and forth between them. They burst in a flash, and both the condemned vanished, leaving only a black scorch mark where they were. With his task completed, Mainyu sent the remaining followers back. As they left, some began to wonder just how many needed to be pruned before this glorious future would be at hand..."




Zack 8 (Glyphz, Beskar, TLD, autolycus, Riedquat, Chaotix, Choxorn, woad&fangs)
Chaotix 3 (warman, DiY, Diamondeye)
Choxorn 1 (Zack)
TLD 1 (Captain Blackadder)

Abstain 2 (Dcmort, MRD)

Not Voting 3 (Classical Hero, Khazaar, JHT)






Alive: 16


Autolycus
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs



Killed: 14

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)


Lynched: 9

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)

WoK: 2

SoulBlade
Khazaar

[TheLastDays]

Alright, we need to analyse voting patterns in regard to the fact that GE, Pizza and WhiteEyes were scum. I think that's the most likely situation, unless the sentence in the writeup, about our progess being "nothing but an illusion" is a hint that the killers are still alive but simply not killing, whoch would suck.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alright, we need to analyse voting patterns in regard to the fact that GE, Pizza and WhiteEyes were scum.

Incorrect on at least one point: I was never scum. I am in fact still a townie.

The streak of leaving me alive as mafia and lynching me as townie continues.

[TheLastDays]

It's possible. Still the green guy vanished after your death so until he reappears I'm inclined to believe you were him. Anyway, we need to lynch Hades now and if the Mafia's not down after that we can go back looking at who among the three of you wasn't actually scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's possible. Still the green guy vanished after your death so until he reappears I'm inclined to believe you were him.

Who else died around that time? If the green guy died the night before, it would appear the exact same way.

I know for a fact I am not the green guy, I was townie.

It doesn't really matter, even if you assume I'm guilty that shouldn't impact the game too much. I'm not going to try to influence lynches or offer opinion on suspects as I have not been following closely, but if it does matter, I object because I was in fact townie, still am, albeit slightly deader.

[TheLastDays]

Well, as you say, it doesn't affect the game too much at this point, so we'll see in the end. Green Guy killed the night before and I'm almost certain it would have shown if the killer was killed after killing, like we saw with Tratorix on N1.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, as you say, it doesn't affect the game too much at this point, so we'll see in the end. Green Guy killed the night before and I'm almost certain it would have shown if the killer was killed after killing, like we saw with Tratorix on N1.

They could be refraining from killing or they died before I did or shortly after.

As such, don't trust the dead unless you know for sure they were townie. That applies to me as well, but since I know I'm townie I'm reminding you not to be led around by others who could have actually been the green guy.

[White_eyes:D]

Who was the known scum I revealed to? I revealed to TinCow yeah, was he known? No. He had a cover role as my daughter mentioned in my role PM. Not too hard to see why I revealed.
I pointed out from the first time I heard that he was your daughter, that he was scum. You of all people know that scum reveal because they feel the walls closing in, that's why TinCow revealed to you and wiped out town. I don't treat role reveals as confirmed Pro-towns but more like scum just trying to get in a townie network.:stare:


Except for Nightbringer and TLD, we all trusted Loki. And why not at that point?
I warned you ahead of time how dangerous it was to trust him....add to that TinCow kept surviving his encounters and killing a townie. All-in-all Andres was scum but town wanted to kept Pro-town roles around...even if they were all dead.:shrug:

So yeah, your interpretations baffle me. Can you tell me why you killed me now?Reenk, could I ever kill you?:laugh4::clown:

Edit:To get back on topic, could someone please kill or lynch Khazaar?:bow:

[Reenk Roink]

I pointed out from the first time I heard that he was your daughter, that he was scum. You of all people know that scum reveal because they feel the walls closing in, that's why TinCow revealed to you and wiped out town. I don't treat role reveals as confirmed Pro-towns but more like scum just trying to get in a townie network.:stare:

I warned you ahead of time how dangerous it was to trust him....add to that TinCow kept surviving his encounters and killing a townie. All-in-all Andres was scum but town wanted to kept Pro-town roles around...even if they were all dead.:shrug:

I remember you were wary of Andres but we never had any real private contact with him anyway. Never anything near a role reveal or about the cult. I don't remember you saying anything to me about TinCow because you never knew I was talking to him, but then again, I went to you and faked saying I was suspicious of GH and you agreed (I was actually more suspicious of you at the time). You're suspicious of everyone... :shrug:

Regardless, how does any of this support your original interpretation at all?


Reenk, could I ever kill you?:laugh4::clown:

The sabre lady disappears when you get lynched. Can you explain?

[White_eyes:D]

I am not suspicious of everyone Glyphz slipped right by and I just let him, but I was two for three which was not going to get any better then most townies at the time.:shame:


The sabre lady disappears when you get lynched. Can you explain?
There is a reason why that it is impossible for me to be her, unless Khaan played some kind of cruel joke. I can't say anything anyway, we are dead after all.:shrug:

[Reenk Roink]

I am not suspicious of everyone Glyphz slipped right by and I just let him, but I was two for three which was not going to get any better then most townies at the time.:shame:

Fine, but the fact is you're sounding like Earthling now, way after the game is over. The only thing that happened is that I screwed up and revealed to TinCow because his cover role fooled me, being a plant in my role PM. The only favor the Jotun did for me was to kill me quickly and quietly when I asked them to. And I still love my daughter, even if she was a Jotun and murdered me. :clown: I wasn't betraying you guys at all.


There is a reason why that it is impossible for me to be her, unless Khaan played some kind of cruel joke. I can't say anything anyway, we are dead after all.:shrug:

See, now we can have a discussion. There seems to have been a busser role in the game. If you turned out not to kill me, sorry for accusing you. :shame:

[White_eyes:D]

I wasn't betraying you guys at all.

There seems to have been a busser role in the game. If you turned out not to kill me, sorry for accusing you. :shame:
Regardless, you sold out Auto to save yourself and failed worst of all. That's Anti-town if not a straight out scum-move there.

And when the game is over you will see.:bow:

[Reenk Roink]

Regardless, you sold out Auto to save yourself and failed worsed of all. That's Anti-town if not a straight out scum-move there.

And when the game is over you will see.:bow:

Eh, he deserved it. I wanted to be the major king of Norway, and the last one standing (stupid Romanic :whip:) At least I got to whoop his *** before dying. :2thumbsup:

[Zack]

Can you two get a room, please?

[Reenk Roink]

Can you two get a room, please?

Can your team lose yet so I can figure out who killed me?

[White_eyes:D]

Can you two get a room, please?
No need to be jealous, plenty of Reenk to go around.:eyebrows:

[seireikhaan]

With four down in the last two, Death is Yonder nervously scuttled around the alleys of Babylon. Shelter was proving no haven. So here he found himself between two different, mud-brick buildings, about three feet apart. The full moon hung overhead, at the head of a glittering, cloudless night. He paused for a moment. This seemed a decent enough hiding place. No artificial light illuminated his position. He sat himself down, and rested his back against the cool wall. He let his eyes shut, and slowly exhaustion overtook him.

"Do you really think the darkness cloaks you from me?" A deep voice stirred DiY's dream. "It is my succor, my sanctuary. You cannot hide yourself." With a groan, DiY stirred his head. He startled awake as he was lifted up violently and pinned against the wall. He couldn't see what exactly was assaulting him- only a fiery aura which surrounded it. "For this affront to my power, I will give you a slow, excruciating end." The strange being rammed a nail into DiY's left collar, straight into and through the wall behind him. A second one followed in succession, in his right collar. The attacker relaxed his grip, and let DiY struggle in agony against his own mass. "Now, to make sure that you don't see the sun..." DiY heard the sound of a sword being unsheathed. But it was only the agony in his chest that alerted him to the sword's use. He could feel an unbearable agony eating his chest, consuming outwards like a parasite. Only when Death is Yonder finally passed out from the pain did his attacker finally consent to depart.





Alive: 15


Autolycus
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs



Killed: 15

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)


Lynched: 9

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)

WoK: 2

SoulBlade
Khazaar

[classical_hero]

I am metagaming here for the lack of a good reason, but I can't let him live while he is around. vote:DiamondEye

[Beskar]

Vote: TheLastDays

For the reasons discussed in the night phrase by Secura and others, mostly him actively "scumhunting" and posting most inthread, but still alive.

[TheLastDays]

Yes, I'm sure it's a good strategy to lynch those alive players that are actively scumhunting :rolleyes:

[Riedquat]

There are a couple of things bugging me, I've re-reading previous nights and noticed 2 things I don't understand...

First, Night 4... the recruitment write up...

A woman stood at the door to a dark house. She knocked softly. The door was cracked open, and the inhabitant peered out. The person's eyes widen at the scantily clad figure before them.

.... I mistakenly thought it was Andres/the cult recruitment but something is not right, the recruiter was a woman and the recruited a man... Andres is a woman, Gh a man and honestly don't think GH was recruited at all; if the cult recruited it wasn't Andres the one...

Second thing, same night... Who attacked GH? A woman with scale armor... sounds familiar, no? Except the weapon used... a sword? :inquisitive: What happened with the curved saber?

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Classical... weren't you in the warman bandwagon? Vote: classical_hero

[Major Robert Dump]

WHY THEY KILL DIY ?? I HAT SCUM!

[Andres]

WHY THEY KILL DIY ?? I HAT SCUM!

I don't know why your accomplices killed him :shrug:

Maybe you should ask them?

[johnhughthom]

Chaotix is scum. Lynch him.

Vote: Chaotix

[Death is yonder]

Well, about that that time of the game that I usually get killed off :laugh4:

Anyways, I think that the kills going down is a pretty good sign of our progress, but its rather peculiar.

The woman,



“Please, my lovely... will you let me in?” The door opened a bit more, and the inhabitant ushered her in. Her way clear, she aggressively walked up to her host. “My lovely,” she whispered, stretching a finger across their chest. “Offer me support, and I will reward you beyond your imagination. Gifts of lapis lazul, a golden chariot, steeds the envy of the world. She turned her head slightly, showing off her lengthy, raven hair. “Well, my dear?” An eager nod greeted her question, and she allowed herself to be led further into the house for the night....

Appeared to be either possibly buying a vote, or recruiting. Definitely doesn't seem like role blocking.

Now its possible to come to a surer conclusion that it was a likely cult activity, perhaps recruiting (given Andres), which brings us to a peculiarity of, what has the cult been doing sitting on their bottoms all these nights? If recruiting is shown in the write ups, then something else has been going on.

(Now I mention this just to raise some things I was thinking about)

In any case, I think Chaotix should definitely die. Its most definitely not past him to kill his accusers, especially since I'm typically known to hush up more after death (time prioritization). I'll stick to my gut suspicion on this one. When I have more time I'll take a look through his posts, something strikes me as off-ish about Chaotix that I don't want to let up too easily.

For what its worth, I think TLD might just be a big distraction. Given his coming to prominence for the wrong reasons for quite some time already, I would think that the elements of the pro-town network would have investigated him and brought to light illicit activities with more vehemence and more concrete cases than Secura has.

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Chaotix is scum. Lynch him.

That's an interesting statement. Even though I concur based on my suspicions, I'd like to hear how you arrived to this conclusion john.

Edit: 2000th Post! :balloon2:

[Beskar]

Chaotix is scum. Lynch him.

Vote: Chaotix

Back to GH's case? Afterall, GH was killed for a reason...

unvote; vote: Chaotix.

Edit: Plus DIY just fingered Chaotix as well.

[Riedquat]

Edit: Plus DIY just fingered Chaotix as well.

Who also voted Chaotix while alive, so it would be .... GH and DiY were killed for a reason... no?

[Earthling]

WHY THEY KILL DIY ?? I HAT SCUM!

I wouldn't call it surprising, he'd been making obviously town posts since forever - I'd tell you who else I'd think is at risk but they might not like that and anyway there's not that many active townies left, kinda obvious.

I agree it clearly looks bad for Chaotix, can't rule out plain old desperation if he's the only scum left that he killed another one of the people accusing him. It's definitely a WIFOM thing unless there's more solid evidence but that's ok, so you guys have the call to make. Town should have at least a few more lynches left even if this isn't the right one so worth taking a shot.

That does remind me of one more observation as it seems about time something should have happened and it hasn't.

The reviver is either dead, not town, or only had a one-time revive ability. If it's either of the last two I'd recommend coming forward with a reveal to at least some of the living if not in public, as you're not going to be reviving another townie anyway. (Of course as an independent you would pretend to be a town reviver out of ability uses but either way, rules out somebody as a mafia suspect so we can be quicker to finish them off)

[Chaotix]

Really, people? :brood:

Obviously I can see exactly what you're talking about. GH and DiY both accused me and voted for me, and both are now dead. Now, I know I might not have always made the most subtle kill choices as a mafioso, but don't you think those past choices might have affected my judgement? If I were scum, don't you think it would be patently obvious to me that killing people who go after me is only going to attract more suspicion on me, not less.

From where I'm standing, this stinks of an obvious attempt to frame me, because there have already been players in this thread mentioning moves I "might" make. So I would be the one most likely to succeed in being lynched after a frame job. And you guys are going to fall for it, too, which is kind of sad.

So who's the quickest to jump on that wagon and start it rolling, and the most likely to use me as a patsy?

Vote: Beskar

I think it's also useful to note that Beskar returned from vacation at around the same time as Black Sword Guy/Hades started killing. Could be a simple coincidence, but I'm feeling pretty suspicious of Beskar anyway.

[Earthling]

That's an awful OMGUS vote. Pretty much one of the worst possible moves if you're a townie trying to defend yourself here. Really people should know better than that and you're just going to encourage people who might look at other options to let your lynch go by.

I get why you would be frustrated but that doesn't mean there's not a decent case to think you're scum here. It's WIFOM. You could have killed him because you're the last scum and simply are desperate, there's no direct evidence to your Innocence anyway. Or, another scum could have killed him just to kill a townie and knew that you'd look bad. Either way you could argue your Innocence with the "it's too obvious and simple" line.

To be clear, as I already said, I certainly get that the kills that seem to implicate you could have other simple reasons. GH because everybody knew he wasn't mafia, having been attacked by them before, and with Andres dead he wouldn't have more protection, so they were just cleaning up their messes. Death is Yonder because he was clearly a townie.

If you ask me the mafia kills I don't understand, it would be what other player as scum had a motive to kill Believer. Unless they found out Believer's role in private somehow, that kill points to a certain someone else or just was a strange coincidence. And then Ironside and Reenk came out of nowhere but those were early on.

Furthermore, I think it's less likely white_eyes was scum than at least a couple of the other dead, so you lack connections to other scum in lynches.

All that put together, you are still a suspect though, maybe not the first lynch I would choose, but not unreasonable either.

[Reenk Roink]

I think it's also useful to note that Beskar returned from vacation at around the same time as Black Sword Guy/Hades started killing. Could be a simple coincidence, but I'm feeling pretty suspicious of Beskar anyway.

Explain, Beskar.

[Riedquat]

Beskar didn't vote on days 3, 5 and 7 if I'm not mistaken, our fire/black-poisoned-sword killer appeared on night 6? :/

[TheLastDays]

I just went over the whole game, creating a voting record... now I need to analyse that... Yes, Hades appeared on night 6.

[Riedquat]

He appeared killing on night 6...

I think we saw him on night 5...


In an unmarked house, off the main road, a shadow figure knelt. A limp body lay before it on the ground, illuminated only by a single candle.

“My dearest friend... my companion... why? Why you? The world did not deserve such a noble one as yourself. But they will know your death, they will know the injustice of it. They shall weep for you as I do. This, I guarantee. For they will know my sorrow, my agony, my fury! I will create for you a monument on the greatest hill in Babylon, and all will bow before it and lament for their loss! But those who do not lament for you, those who struck you down, they will know my wrath! They shall know anger hotter than the sun, fury unquenchable even by the Euphrates itself!”

And so the shadowy figure, trembling, picked up the body and laid it on the bed. In the darkness, a red aura seemed to seep from the figure, as it turned to the door, to depart for the night.

Is it possible we triggered his appearance when we lynched pizza? O.o

Btw... unvote

[Beskar]

Explain, Beskar.

Nothing to do with me, I can safely say that the only people who have died at my hand is when I voted for them.

As for Chaotix, too many dead fingers frozen for him, even some alive ones. I don't think it is simply smoke without fire. As for killing people who FoS'd you Chaotix, you almost got away with a clean sheet until John and DiY pointed at you, I forgot about GH's accusations of you.

I think GH might have had a reason to do that, so here is your chance, Chaotix. Have you been a naughty boy or what have you been up to?

[TheLastDays]

Well, what do we have? Keep in mind that this is just the place their vote was in the end of the day, not accounting for vote changes and I didn't double check with the thread in all cases, only when the tally seemed wron (i.e. having two votes by the same player or a player voting themselves).

bold are players who got lynched that day
red are players who got later attacked by one of the killers we've identified as Mafia (Valkyrie, Bronze scale/Sabre, Green Man, Hades)

Autolycus:

Day 1: not voting
Day 2: Romanic (N5)
Day 3: not voting
Day 4: not voting
Day 5: White_Eyes:D
Day 6: not voting
Day 7: DiamondEye
Day 8: not voting
Day 9: Zack


I don't see much there. Lots of inactivity and, honestly, if I see another Kage-like Mafia I just won't count it as a victory in my head... Voted to lynch WhiteEyes who might have been scum but he was late on the wagon so possible bussing. Have to keep him in mind, I guess. I suggest lynching him soon if we don't have a good suspect. Don't want the lurkers around for endgame.



Beskar:

Day 1: TheLastDays
Day 2: GodEmperor
Day 3: not voting
Day 4: Beskar
Day 5: not voting
Day 6: Renata
Day 7: not voting
Day 8: Andres
Day 9: Zack


Little bloodthirsty. Voting to lynch Renata and Andres during a phase where he himself stated he'll be on vacation and thus not having time to catch up so at best that's blind wagoning. Day 4 (self vote) he was never in danger. But overall I don't get very scummy vibes from him.



Captain Blackadder:

Day 1: not voting
Day 2: GodEmperor
Day 3: Double A
Day 4: not voting
Day 5: not voting
Day 6: Renata
Day 7: not voting
Day 8: not voting
Day 9: TheLastDays


Another lurker, what I said about auto pretty much applies here. Possible bussing on the insanely huge GE-wagon. What's to note about both auto and him is that both have missed five votes overall and are thus, by the rules, wog-eligible but since it applies to both and I doubt that both are scum it probably means nothing.



Chaotix:

Day 1: fluffy
Day 2: Believer (N7)
Day 3: glyphz
Day 4: glyphz
Day 5: Earthling
Day 6: GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Day 7: glyphz
Day 8: Andres
Day 9: Zack


Pretty safe votes until the last two rounds and you can't avoid lynching people once the endgame draws near. GH and DiY died after accusing him but, as he has wifomed pointed out himself, that could well be a framing attempt. Still my top suspect. Jeez, we really have bad cases for this point of the game.



Choxorn:

Day 1: GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Day 2: not voting
Day 3: TheLastDays
Day 4: TheLastDays
Day 5: johnhughthom
Day 6: not voting
Day 7: glyphz
Day 8: Warman
Day 9: Zack


That's a lot of jumping around and very safe voting, other than trying to get me lynched two times none of his targets were in real danger, even glyphz, who was a suspect for long, wasn't really a candidate on Day 7. Only participated in the lynch of Zack, who was probably not Mafia after all. Well, it's something.



classical_hero:

Day 1: DiamondEye
Day 2: GodEmperor
Day 3: not voting
Day 4: Zack
Day 5: Chatoix
Day 6: Choxorn
Day 7: DiamondEye
Day 8: Warman
Day 9: not voting


Same as above, lots of safe votes, even more so than Choxorns. Only paticipated in the GE-lynch and nearly everyone did.



dcmort93:

Day 1: woad&fangs
Day 2: woad&fangs
Day 3: glyphz
Day 4: glyphz
Day 5: White_Eyes:D
Day 6: glyphz
Day 7: not voting
Day 8: not voting
Day 9: abstain


Only lynched WE, but his votes were on stronger suspects and he followed up on his targets. IIRC glyphz was close to get lynched D6 and he was definitely close on D3. Disappeared over the last few rounds. Not one of my top suspects but someone to keep an eye on still.



DiamondEye:

Day 1: Arjos
Day 2: TheLastDays
Day 3: Double A
Day 4: woad&fangs
Day 5: White_Eyes:D
Day 6: glyphz
Day 7: Seon
Day 8: not voting
Day 9: Chatoix


He jumped around a lot too. Supporting me, kind of, on Day 1, when lynching Arjos, then voting me on day 2. Not following up on any of his suspects, claims business over the last few rounds and, given that he stated it on several other threads I tend to believe it, under the code of sportsmanship. Still, it doesn't take a lot of time to place a safe vote and send in a kill order at night. Not a top suspect either though.



johnhughthom:

Day 1: Riedquat
Day 2: GodEmperor
Day 3: fluffy
Day 4: Askthepizzaguy
Day 5: White_Eyes:D
Day 6: Renata
Day 7: Diamondeye
Day 8: Andres
Day 9: not voting


Well, way too bloodthirsty to be Mafia, methinks. His overall playstyle this game doesn't look scummy to me either. Compared it with The Campground where he participated in only one lynch that wasn't forced (one other was a tiebreaker and another one was the second to last round where there were no other options). I think he'd be more careful as Mafia but someone who knows him better could probably comment on this.



glyphz:

Day 1: TheLastDays
Day 2: GodEmperor
Day 3: Believer (N7)
Day 4: glyphz
Day 5: White_Eyes:D
Day 6: Renata
Day 7: not voting
Day 8: not voting
Day 9: Zack


Well, honestly, I don't believe that glyphz is Mafia. And if he is and has the balls to leave his vote on someone not even close to the lead when he is tied for the lynch with fluffy and votes himself on another day where he was a strong candidate, leaving the vote on himseld, he derserves the win.



Major Robert Dump:

Day 1: -
Day 2: -
Day 3: -
Day 4: -
Day 5: -
Day 6: -
Day 7: -
Day 8: not voting
Day 9: abstain


Replacement. Came in after Hades started killing so it's almost impossible he is Hades. The others are hopefully dead. If they aren't there's a slight possiblity that he's replaced an inactive scum player but then why isn't he killing? Maybe after the "activation" Riedquat just mentioned only Hades can kill? Needs some looking into, still I doubt he's Mafia.



Riedquat:

Day 1: johnhughthom
Day 2: GodEmperor
Day 3: TheLastDays
Day 4: TheLastDays
Day 5: TheLastDays
Day 6: Renata
Day 7: Seon
Day 8: Andres
Day 9: Zack


Good followup, even if it was on me. A little bloodthirsty as well but I don't know his usual playstyle so I got nothing to compare it to. If we are correct about Pizza and WE being scum it's noteworthy that he avoided these wagong while he wagoned pretty much everyone else.



Warman:

Day 1: not voting
Day 2: GodEmperor
Day 3: Double A
Day 4: Askthepizzaguy
Day 5: Earthling
Day 6: TheLastDays
Day 7: not voting
Day 8: Andres
Day 9: Chaotix


Honestly, wtf? THis is such a schizophrenic voting pattern, I'm not even halfway through analysing that. Anyone got more thoughts on him, be my guest.



woad&fangs:

Day 1: B_Ray (N2)
Day 2: woad&fangs
Day 3: glyphz
Day 4: Askthepizzaguy
Day 5: White_Eyes:D
Day 6: not voting
Day 7: Andres
Day 8: Andres
Day 9: Zack


Pretty bloodthirsty too but some following up and overall I don't get much scum vibes from him. B_Ray died N2, right after voting him on D1, might be a framing attemplt, I doubt that it was him. Still have to keep an eye on him.



Yeah, didn't do myself, sue me, this was enough work as it is :dizzy2:

vote: Chaotix I don't have anything better at the moment.

[Riedquat]

I don't have a playing-style yet, first game ever! ;)

[Chaotix]

What about you, TLD?

Be a dear and show us your own votes so we can make role judgements about you.

I really don't intend to die today. I am on the verge of mopping this game up pretty quick and finding the scum, but I can't do it if I'm dead. You guys lynch me and you have to find the scum based on analysis alone, which, judging by your choice today, isn't doing you any favors.

[Riedquat]

TheLastDays

Day 1: Arjos
Day 2: Earthling
Day 3: Fluffy
Day 4: Atpg
Day 5: Earthling
Day 6: Renata
Day 7: w&f
Day 8: no vote
Day 9: Zack


This is really.... scummy :laugh4:

[TheLastDays]

I don't have a playing-style yet, first game ever! ;)

Oh cool. I was scum in my first game. FoS: Riedquat :tongue:

Thanks for doing my votes I was close to doing them myself but then I got lazy. Chaotix, what do you mean by mopping this game up? I really don't like these "I need one more night guys than my super awesome pro-town powers will pay off"-claims.

[Earthling]

I really don't intend to die today. I am on the verge of mopping this game up pretty quick and finding the scum, but I can't do it if I'm dead. You guys lynch me and you have to find the scum based on analysis alone, which, judging by your choice today, isn't doing you any favors.

This isn't going to get you out of hot water anytime soon. If you can prove you're a non-mafia neutral role you need more of a reveal to just do that or people will be after you again tomorrow even if not today.

Meanwhile, so few people really are voting, that's a disappointment. I think it's only six.

So given those numbers you could get out of the lynch today if you had something good to say before tomorrow, depends on the mercy of the living folks though. I'm thinking we've had enough of neutrals who want to go down with the ship and try to take the town with them this game.

My recommendation if you want to try for a wagon that townies could do on a real suspect instead of you put your vote on Diamondeye. Besides the pointless Seon lynch, Diamondeye placed several votes that were both significant and terrible but didn't show up in the end of day tallies above as he changed them, and has strong ties to possible dead scum like Renata, Zack, and Andres.

[Choxorn]

TheLastDays

Day 1: Arjos
Day 2: Earthling
Day 3: Fluffy
Day 4: Atpg
Day 5: Earthling
Day 6: Renata
Day 7: w&f
Day 8: no vote
Day 9: Zack


This is really.... scummy :laugh4:

How so? I think he's scummy too but you'll have to explain why that vote pattern makes him scummy besides "this is really.... scummy."

Personally, I still think john's scummy, so here's a Pressure Vote: johnhughthom

[Chaotix]

This isn't going to get you out of hot water anytime soon. If you can prove you're a non-mafia neutral role you need more of a reveal to just do that or people will be after you again tomorrow even if not today.

Meanwhile, so few people really are voting, that's a disappointment. I think it's only six.

So given those numbers you could get out of the lynch today if you had something good to say before tomorrow, depends on the mercy of the living folks though. I'm thinking we've had enough of neutrals who want to go down with the ship and try to take the town with them this game.

My recommendation if you want to try for a wagon that townies could do on a real suspect instead of you put your vote on Diamondeye. Besides the pointless Seon lynch, Diamondeye placed several votes that were both significant and terrible but didn't show up in the end of day tallies above as he changed them, and has strong ties to possible dead scum like Renata, Zack, and Andres.

I'm not a neutral at all.

I was working with Yaropolk before he died, and far as I can tell he trusted me. In the event that he died, he gave me a keyword to contact the doctor with. I know now that you are the doctor, Earthling, so I didn't need to give it then since you couldn't contact me. But Yaropolk told me to say, "I miss Fluffy already, it's dull without him." Is that sufficient for you, Earthling? I'd rather not reveal any more if I can help it. I'm likely already to be targeted by the mafia for this.

If you think Diamondeye is truly scummy, I'll go with that. Unvote, Vote: Diamondeye

[Zack]

How so? I think he's scummy too but you'll have to explain why that vote pattern makes him scummy besides "this is really.... scummy.
You're one to talk... :clown:

[Earthling]

Really choxorn, or do you figure your vote can't change the lynch today and just staying out of the way? john voted for just about every possible mafia player we lynched, in several cases quite close votes. Thinking he's "scummy" doesn't cut it, you might have some case where you think he's neutral/third party, but even then, not great reasons being given.

I do have to give TLD credit for one thing on the voting records which I hadn't looked at much before and it's in his favor. He did vote for Renata and he voted earlier enough that his vote made a difference on the bandwagon.

If Renata was scum that's big, and since she couldn't have been town and was directly lying to us about her role and abilities it's hard to believe she didn't have the equivalent of "the town must lose for you to win" somewhere in her Role PM.

What is curious to me is that earlier he was saying he personally didn't think Renata was a dead mafia, maybe only neutral. Not only is there reason to dispute the conclusion but the one vote of TLD's that could be solid pro-town evidence he's not exactly standing by.

So we have some open questions like that, similarly whether white_eyes was scum. If he was, then we hopefully should have it with Chaotix here, finish off that obvious connection and catch the last scum. If not, then I'd abandon the theory of white_eyes as scum and look at Renata + associates (still GE of course).

[Beskar]

I think it is pretty safe that both Renata and Andres were scum (in a not town capacity) since their deaths hinted as such.

Though I am curious about this Choatix-keyword thing, but it would rely on Yaropolk coming forward since I doubt the mentioned doctor would.

[Earthling]

walking on eggshells here, I'm going to hold off on posting anything else till the end of this day or I'm sure I'm not skirting rules.

Chaotix dead people can't really confirm or deny non-public knowledge. You have to get the living people to change their votes, which means you'll probably need to talk at least a few of them privately and reveal more if not here.

I think I can say again for anyone to whom it's not already obvious you would not be my top lynch choice anyway. But I already said that, even said that today, it should be kinda clear Diamondeye and TLD remain the best suspects as they had been for several days.

So if anyone is voting based on dead players analysis I'd recommend those choices again for their own cases on those players.

[Chaotix]

I think it is pretty safe that both Renata and Andres were scum (in a not town capacity) since their deaths hinted as such.

Though I am curious about this Choatix-keyword thing, but it would rely on Yaropolk coming forward since I doubt the mentioned doctor would.

Earthling IS the mentioned doctor. He was Athena or whoever the spear lady is, got killed by the mafia protecting someone. Athena/Earthling also protected Yaropolk.

EDIT: Bah, I suppose you're right Earthling. But now you know, at least.

[Beskar]

Alright then, I will copy your vote.

Unvote; Vote: Diamondeye

Gives you a chance to survive.

[woad&fangs]

vote: Chaotix
He probably is a protown role but if he isn't willing to do a full reveal he has to go. Viva la Vanilla!

[Zack]

vote: Chaotix
He probably is a protown role but if he isn't willing to do a full reveal he has to go. Viva la Vanilla!
HoS: woad&fangs

[Riedquat]

How so? I think he's scummy too but you'll have to explain why that vote pattern makes him scummy besides "this is really.... scummy."

Personally, I still think john's scummy, so here's a Pressure Vote: johnhughthom

Really? I thought the smiley made it obvious. I didn't analyze his vote pattern ;)

I'm not voting for TLD nor FoSing him today, in my eyes he keeps being scummy but if he is mafia and maintain his profile at this height after 10 days of being under scrutiny(sp)... he deserves an applause... tomorrow we'll see ;)

Vote: Diamondeye

[Choxorn]

Really choxorn, or do you figure your vote can't change the lynch today and just staying out of the way? john voted for just about every possible mafia player we lynched, in several cases quite close votes. Thinking he's "scummy" doesn't cut it, you might have some case where you think he's neutral/third party, but even then, not great reasons being given.

I'm a bit out of it, I don't know a lot of what's going on. I know that Diamondeye, Chaotix, and a bunch of other people are "scummy" but I don't know why, and I don't know how everyone like you keeps figuring out that some people must be neutral or whatever.

Thinking "he's scummy" and looking at what's happened in-thread so far is all I have to go on.

[Riedquat]

A bit less than 3 hours to go...

Diamondeye 4 (classical hero, Chaotix, Beskar, Riedquat)
Chaotix 3 (jht, tld, w&f)
jht 1 (Choxorn)

Only half of the alive are voting... :stare:

[glyphz]

Vote: Major Robert Dump

Can someone explain the deal of robbiecon being replaced by MRD instead of being WoK Day 7?

Soulblade got WoK D6, then Khazaar Day 9

Or did I miss out on something?

[Major Robert Dump]

I LURK WHOLE GAME, SEE I DON'T VOTE FIRST MANY ROUND, BECAUSE SCUM I AM AND I TRY TRICK BUT U GOT MEH


I told you people I had an ability that may interest the town, and for someone to PM me, but I guess the town fraternity decided that I was neither cool nor rich enough to join the JERK KAPPA PI fraternity and so everyone ignored me.

So here you go: Chaotix is scum. There.

Vote: Chaotix

[Chaotix]

MRD, even though you're trying to kill me, your posts still crack me up. :laugh4:

The reason Jerk Kappa Pi didn't contact you is because there really wasn't one- there was never anything centralized anyway. And by the time you made that post, I think the mafia had just killed like 3 pro-towns in a row. Far as I know, I am the only one left, and that's because I stayed incognito until I was forced to bring it to light today. Didn't contact you because I couldn't trust and didn't want to reveal myself.

Still don't entirely trust you, but I figure my days are numbered now one way or the other.

Tell you what: I'll PM you my ability, and you can tell me yours. Then maybe we can pool resources and see about catching the real scum while we're still alive.

[Ironside]

What about you, TLD?

Be a dear and show us your own votes so we can make role judgements about you.

I really don't intend to die today. I am on the verge of mopping this game up pretty quick and finding the scum, but I can't do it if I'm dead. You guys lynch me and you have to find the scum based on analysis alone, which, judging by your choice today, isn't doing you any favors.

Please do yourself and the town a favour and give up the important information to someone in private. In this case I would say 2, since there's only 1 killer left, so even in the worst case scenario, it should be publically known post mortem.

You're basically screaming KILL ME, KILL ME TONIGHT BEFORE I REVEAL with that post. And that's not scummy at all is it?

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote MRD

I agree people who get replaced after there has being woggs are most likely to be scum. However there is still a small chance he could be a major pro town role.

[TheLastDays]

I do have to give TLD credit for one thing on the voting records which I hadn't looked at much before and it's in his favor. He did vote for Renata and he voted earlier enough that his vote made a difference on the bandwagon.

If Renata was scum that's big, and since she couldn't have been town and was directly lying to us about her role and abilities it's hard to believe she didn't have the equivalent of "the town must lose for you to win" somewhere in her Role PM.

What is curious to me is that earlier he was saying he personally didn't think Renata was a dead mafia, maybe only neutral. Not only is there reason to dispute the conclusion but the one vote of TLD's that could be solid pro-town evidence he's not exactly standing by.


I'm fully standing by all my votes. What I meant is, that I'm not sure Renata is part of the four people Mafia, Hades, sabre lady, valkyrie and green man. I think she was some anti town third party from her behaviour.

We have a tie, right? I don't like this at all, because I think of the remaining players Chaotix is the scummiest. Now, even though Earthling didn't confirm it, he obviously reacted to that fluffy-lin that Chaotix posted, so I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm gonna hate myself and you if you screw us now.

unvote, vote: Diamondeye

[seireikhaan]

Enough people not voting, I'm extending the round 12 hours.

[Secura]

Yes, I'm sure it's a good strategy to lynch those alive players that are actively scumhunting :rolleyes:

Aside of the fact you used the eye-rolling emote (where's Pizza when you need him? :P), this post is dripping in scummy WIFOM.

I'm sure that you remember Music Mafia, TLD; Romanic fabricated scanning results and made it look like he was scum-hunting with his posts... and I'm sure you remember how he got away with it despite my posthumous calls for his head. Naturally, looking like you're actively scum-hunting is the perfect masque for a mafioso to use, so using that to defend yourself isn't going to wash, with me at least.

[Arjos]

Thanks for doing my votes I was close to doing them myself but then I got lazy.

Posted 2 hours after the whole list, no one is raising an eyebrow here?

[TheLastDays]

Aside of the fact you used the eye-rolling emote (where's Pizza when you need him? :P), this post is dripping in scummy WIFOM.

I'm sure that you remember Music Mafia, TLD; Romanic fabricated scanning results and made it look like he was scum-hunting with his posts... and I'm sure you remember how he got away with it despite my posthumous calls for his head. Naturally, looking like you're actively scum-hunting is the perfect masque for a mafioso to use, so using that to defend yourself isn't going to wash, with me at least.

The :daisy: case was WIFOM. How can I come up with a non-WIFOM defense to a WIFOM case?

Arjos, I don't see your point.

[Major Robert Dump]

I DONT MAKE POWER I ONLY ASK FOR PM BECAUSE I TRY TO MEET GIRL PLS DON'T LYNCH THNX

[Riedquat]

The point of Arjos is, he thinks you are scummy! Very scummy! But we already know that, don't we?

I don't like this MRD/Chaotix relation... thing... this seems unhealthy for town...

Diamondeye 5 (classical hero, Chaotix, Beskar, Riedquat, tld)
Chaotix 3 (jht, w&f, MRD)
jht 1 (Choxorn)
MRD 2 (Glyphz, Captain Blackadder)

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Warman:

Day 1: not voting
Day 2: GodEmperor
Day 3: Double A
Day 4: Askthepizzaguy
Day 5: Earthling
Day 6: TheLastDays
Day 7: not voting
Day 8: Andres
Day 9: Chaotix


Honestly, wtf? THis is such a schizophrenic voting pattern, I'm not even halfway through analysing that. Anyone got more thoughts on him, be my guest.





I take this as a complaint! :clown:



Vote:Chaotix

[Arjos]

My point was solely related to that sentece, it sounds weak, as in made up, whatever it means I don't know...
I'm following this as best as I can, but trying to figure out who's what is no longer my task :P

[Major Robert Dump]

The point of Arjos is, he thinks you are scummy! Very scummy! But we already know that, don't we?

I don't like this MRD/Chaotix relation... thing... this seems unhealthy for town...

Diamondeye 5 (classical hero, Chaotix, Beskar, Riedquat, tld)
Chaotix 3 (jht, w&f, MRD)
jht 1 (Choxorn)
MRD 2 (Glyphz, Captain Blackadder)

I am not currently, nor have I ever, nor do I intend to, have relations with the player known as Chaotix. There were lots of other people at the party and the photos mean nothing.

[Andres]

I am not currently, nor have I ever, nor do I intend to, have relations with the player known as Chaotix. There were lots of other people at the party and the photos mean nothing.

You even brought my dead body to that party, you pervert.

Don't lynch Chaotix, he is the last one of the 25 pro-town power roles in this game! He's your only hope to win this game from the 32 mafiosi in it.

[Arjos]

he is the last one of the 25 pro-town power roles in this game! He's your only hope to win this game from the 32 mafiosi in it.

Ahahahahahahahahah XD

[Andres]

It's a joy to see woad&fangs and TLD fool the entire town. Excellent play, gentlemen :bow:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

You even brought my dead body to that party, you pervert.

Don't lynch Chaotix, he is the last one of the 25 pro-town power roles in this game! He's your only hope to win this game from the 32 mafiosi in it.

Maybe he likes your dead naked body. :laugh4:

[Riedquat]

Sorry MRD, noticed after I posted you are actually voting Chaotix and the supposed relation between you two was in my mind.

Diamondeye 5 (classical hero, Chaotix, Beskar, Riedquat, tld)
Chaotix 4 (jht, w&f, MRD, warman)
jht 1 (Choxorn)
MRD 2 (Glyphz, Captain Blackadder)

[seireikhaan]

Writeup is in progress.

[seireikhaan]

"Come sunset, the forces of Mainyu had finished their gathering. Two were put forth to their lord- Diamondeye, and Chaotix. It was a very close call, but as Mainyu counted the support for both of them, it seemed that Diamondeye was to be condemned by a very narrow margin. As he lay before Mainyu, he heard a scruffle behind him. Not daring to look behind, he waited until a second was slammed to the marble floor next to him. Shooting a glance sideways, he saw Autolycus face down next to him, with a terrified visage.

Diamdondeye lay passive, listening to Mainyu boast once more about weeding out the weak and unfit, about his own declared treachery. He heard the metallic sound of a sword being unsheathed. He closed his eyes. He heard a quick slice, followed by a thump as Autolycus was felled and tossed aside. He offered a short prayer to any higher power that might exist, that perhaps this whole thing was just a bad joke, that there really was one watching over everything, even the gods themselves. His prayer was cut short by the swift blade of Angra Mainyu, who quickly had the body tossed aside like that of the silent Autolycus. And so, once more, Mainyu dismissed his followers, giving them another lecture over weeding the weak and cowardly from their midst, especially those still siding with the heavens and netherworld.



Diamondeye 5 (classical hero, Chaotix, Beskar, Riedquat, TheLastDays)
Chaotix 4 (warman, johnhughthom, woad&fangs, Major Robert Dump)
MRD 2 (Glyphz, Captain Blackadder)
jht 1 (Choxorn)

Not Voting 3 (Autolycus, Diamondeye, Dcmort)




Alive: 13


Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs



Killed: 15

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)


Lynched: 10

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)

WoK: 3

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus

[TheLastDays]

Weird writeup, not sure what the prayer says about Diamondeye but pretty sure we didn't catch Hades here. The WoG is good, it removes that distraction.

[Riedquat]

He believed in Andres and now a prayer... I think... perhaps.... we probably lynched the reviver... :blank:

[TheLastDays]

He believed in Andres and now a prayer... I think... perhaps.... we probably lynched the reviver... :blank:

He believed in Andres?

[Riedquat]

I like Sec's reasoning. Unvote; Vote: TLD


Well, GH was clearly something. I tend to trust Andres despite his weird death/revival shenanigan.


He believed in Andres?

The above are quotes from last night ... trusted is the correct word.

[TheLastDays]

OH! He voted me. Good that he's dead. :yes:

Seriously, I don't know if this would reflect in the writeup, but I guess with khaan everything is possible. It's a bit far fetched though to take this, plus the prayer in the writeup, as a hint at having lynched the reviver. Chaotix, I still want to hear more about you. I hope you have found someone you trust and told them what you know, because, after your public semi-reveal, you should be a Mafia target tonight if you aren't the Mafia.

[Beskar]

This is where the WIFOM starts, would the mafia not attack Chaotix because there might be some special protection or defender they don't know about or would they go ahead and attack him anyway since there has no talk of a defender since Earthling and Andres.

[TheLastDays]

Or would they leave him alive to frame him? Shock! Horror! My Their options are endless!

[Beskar]

Doubtful, if there was any real possibility at this stage he was most likely scum, I wouldn't have changed his vote. The fact Yaropolk and Earthling vouched for him was the reason I changed.

[White_eyes:D]

Town is going to need a miracle to win this, because it looks like a cult is still hanging around.:laugh4:

Edit:I mean it looks like Warman and john are not taking it seriously and joking but they have been trying to save there cultist buddies for the 4th time in a row now.:no:

[Major Robert Dump]

I AM TEH PROXY MESSENGER OF TEH GODDESS OF TEH CULT. DO AS I SAY AND WE WILL NOT HARM YE. DO NOT TRY TO FOLLOW ME HOME TONIGHT BECUZ I LIVEZ IN BAD NEIGHBORHOOD AND U MIGHT CATCH TEH ROBBERY. I AM HER SEX SLAVE AND CONFIDANT AND SHE SAYS CHAOTIX IS NOT RECRUITABLE

[Death is yonder]

Well that was interesting? :laugh4:

Anyway regarding the lynch, I'm slightly concerned over our choice considering that DE wasn't exactly trying very hard in general (in terms of saving himself/hypothetical scumbuddies).

Still, I suppose the outcome of the night will give more indication as to what course of action is to follow.

[Diamondeye]

I am just going to ignore any speculations about what I might or mightn't have been and say this: It was a good thing that I was lynched instead of Chaotix, and I think you should look closely at Classical_Hero tomorrow.

DE out :bow:

[Secura]

I think you should look closely at TheLastDays tomorrow.

Good call. :yes:

[Diamondeye]

Good call. :yes:

:stare: I see what you did there.

[seireikhaan]

Choxorn slowly trudged out of the throne room, lagging behind the rest. He had a strong feeling they hadn't made any progress in seemingly forever on extirpating the threat. Or perhaps this whole thing was a test by Mainyu. Either way, as he made his way to the street, he glanced longingly at the crimson barrier far in the distance. With a sigh, he sat himself down right in the middle of the cross section, watching the last remnants of Mainyu's supporters mill about into distant streets. "Why not?" he thought to himself. And so, he laid down in the middle of the street, right in front of the massive doors to the throne room.

"You're not all that clever, you know," a deep voice called to him in his dreams. "Now, get up! Look into my face." With a groan, Choxorn awoke, before scrambling backwards and hitting the door behind him in panic. A flaming aura stood before him, surrounding a tall, dark figure. "Did you think hiding in plain site works? Well, I must say, it really doesn't. It reached near its waist, and withdrew a long, curved, blade, illuminated only by his own aura. "I could have just simply incinerated you, you know. I could have just ended you in your sleep. But that does no justice to the glorious act of death. It must be embraced, faced head on. Now, let me show you your destiny."

With one horizontal slice, Choxorn was carved in twain at the waist. A black ooze seeped from the respective halves. After pondering for a moment, the attacker grabbed each half, and dragged them away from the door. "I wouldn't want to ruin my new palace, would I?" he pondered aloud. And so, he lit Choxorn's body ablaze, a sooty smoke seeping into the sky above.







Alive: 12


Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs



Killed: 16

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)


Lynched: 10

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)

WoK: 3

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus

[Zack]

TheLastDays should be lynched. At best, he's anti-town, and at worst -- well, he's lynchbait, and a distraction, anyways.

[Chaotix]

We could do that.

Or, we could lynch the self-proclaimed cultist MRD. Or we could search for his "master". I'm hedging my bets on johnhughthom for Ishtar at the moment, judging by what MRD has told me (that his master couldn't convert me, and therefore wants me dead), and on johnhughthom's record of wanting me dead this game. Certainly if the cult leader wanted me dead, he would have lynched me if at all possible yesterday; it wouldn't have been very difficult.

On the other hand, MRD might have said that just to screw with me and protect Ishtar, who actually voted for someone else.

In any case, we have options today, and I am open to them. I will be around as often as I can manage, but Hurricane Irene may decide to eat all my power lines, which could put a dent in my participation.

Vote: Major Robert Dump

[woad&fangs]

vote: chaotix
The cultists aren't killing. Hades is killing. MRD joined after Hades started killing people so lets not waste a lynch on him until after Hades is dead. You however are a known power role who has not said anything to the town about what you do. The protown network seems to back you up but I don't trust that much in a game where the host said he would mess with protown networks.

[Zack]

TheLastDays needs to go now. If it turns out he was town after all, we still have enough time to recover later on. If we keep postponing his lynch, which is inevitably going to happen, then if he turns out to be town, we wouldn't be able to recover. Lynch him now. There's a good chance he's scum.

[Chaotix]

vote: chaotix
The cultists aren't killing. Hades is killing. MRD joined after Hades started killing people so lets not waste a lynch on him until after Hades is dead. You however are a known power role who has not said anything to the town about what you do. The protown network seems to back you up but I don't trust that much in a game where the host said he would mess with protown networks.

On some points I agree with you, on others I disagree.

The cult not killing means something significant, it's not to be taken for granted. At this point, I've thought of two major possibilities. They're either a sleeper cult who wins by converting everybody possible and don't kill, or they get to kill only after Hades dies. If that's the case, we may very well be looking at two or more kills per night soon as Hades kicks it, depending on how large they've grown.

Personally, I'd rather lynch a known anti-town of lesser value than take a chance and go for the big one, especially since it's going to be easier to catch Hades if we have less people to consider, and we have time since he's only killing one a night.

You want my ability: at this point enough people know that I am better off revealing it. I'm a roleblocker, the same one who was cited as having roleblocked glyphz back when we were debating lynching him. Unfortunately, those blocks don't prove he's not Hades since they occurred before he started killing.

[Choxorn]

TheLastDays should be lynched. At best, he's anti-town, and at worst -- well, he's lynchbait, and a distraction, anyways.

:yes:

I'm now the what... 5th? 6th? person that voted for him that has ended up dead. He's not dead yet. No reasonable scum would leave a lynchbait alive this long to post this much, that's way too dangerous. He needs to die, and now. Avenge my death! And Believer's, and Secura's, and DIY's, and Earthling's... :laugh4:

[Zack]

No reasonable scum would leave a lynchbait alive this long to post this much, that's way too dangerous.
Any reasonable scum would be insane to kill lynchbait. :wink:

[TheLastDays]

If you want to avenge these deaths you will have to go for someone else. I haven't killed anyone nor can I kill. If you want to vent frustration for not being able to lynch me yet, go ahead and lynch me. There is no high chance I am scum. There are no chances. One is scum the other is not. I am not.

vote: Riedquat
Why have you wagoned pretty much everyone who has been lynched, except WE and Pizza, who likely were scum?

[Zack]

I haven't killed anyone nor can I kill.
What a meaningless statement; even if it's true, and you haven't in fact killed anyone, that certainly doesn't automatically make you town.



If you want to vent frustration for not being able to lynch me yet, go ahead and lynch me. There is no high chance I am scum. There are no chances. One is scum the other is not. I am not.
This reads awkwardly. Not to mention, it doesn't say anything except "It's unlikely I'm scum. Oh wait, there's no chance, my bad." That's a terrible defense. What would you expect a scum to say? "Yep, I'm scum!" No, of course not.

[Riedquat]

If you want to avenge these deaths you will have to go for someone else. I haven't killed anyone nor can I kill. If you want to vent frustration for not being able to lynch me yet, go ahead and lynch me. There is no high chance I am scum. There are no chances. One is scum the other is not. I am not.

vote: Riedquat
Why have you wagoned pretty much everyone who has been lynched, except WE and Pizza, who likely were scum?

Umm... what the flying....heck? :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Seriously? I had the best motive ever to not vote W_E, you seemed way more suspicious to me at the time, and right now too to be honest, that is a lot to say considering I consider W_E as dead scum!! Btw... you didn't vote for him either, you were voting Earthling!!! A pro town!!!

And Pizza? Are you freaking serious? That wagon was totally random, you know it, you were there saving Glyphz... didn't you apologize with pizza for that switching? Now are you telling me and the rest of the town you knew something about pizza at that time? Earthling and Yaropolk probably... you?

AMLoS: TLD

[Beskar]

Vote: Woad & Fangs

Get talking. :whip:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Groan.

Pizza was townie. Pizza still is townie, albeit dead. Wagon on pizza was single biggest waste of time this whole game, since people are still talking about it.

Pizza has not been lynched as a mafioso (excludes serial killer) without a detective result since The Prometheus, his second game ever.

You people do not lynch Pizza as scum without detective results. The streak continues.

[Tratorix]

Why is TLD still alive?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why is glyphz still alive?

I realize this comes right after Tratorix' "why is TLD still alive" but I'm genuinely curious. Has anything ever cleared him?

[Beskar]

Disregard that vote.

Unvote; Vote: The Last Days.

Let's kill him off already, at minimum, he is a big distraction to the town which is enough excuse to get rid of him instead of having 5 posts per page going "ZOMG Y IS HE ALIVE!".

[Chaotix]

Why is glyphz still alive?

I realize this comes right after Tratorix' "why is TLD still alive" but I'm genuinely curious. Has anything ever cleared him?

I roleblocked him 3 times early on because Yaro and I thought he was Giant Axe Guy, and that cleared him of being everybody except Hades, because Hades didn't show up till after all of those blocks. So while I'd love to rule him out, I can't, and again it's annoyingly convenient how there seems to be some sort of connection there.

[Chaotix]

I'll go with the TLD lynch, but MRD still has to go, and then we gotta find Ishtar or they will simply overrun us.

If there's six townies left when we lynch Hades and three of them are cultists, THEY win, not us.

Unvote, Vote: TheLastDays

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wouldn't lynch TheLastDays if I were you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Which baddies are you still looking for?

I can't reveal what I know, but I'm almost sure TLD isn't one of them.

[Beskar]

I wouldn't lynch TheLastDays if I were you.

Secura keeps raging that we should and has listed 101 reasons to do so.

Give us some good reasons why not!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Secura keeps raging that we should and has listed 101 reasons to do so.

Give us some good reasons why not!

I only need to give you one reason. However, I can't do that while I'm dead.

The one reason trumps every other reason, apologies to Secura, whose opinion I generally respect.

[Beskar]

I only need to give you one reason. However, I can't do that while I'm dead.

The one reason trumps every other reason, apologies to Secura, whose opinion I generally respect.

"He is my scum buddy."

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you believe I am townie, I would listen to me on this point.

If you believe I am scum, lynch TheLastdays.

[Askthepizzaguy]

"He is my scum buddy."

That is the ONLY other possibility.

So, like I said. If you think I am scum, lynch him immediately. If you think the streak continues and I've been lynched as a townie yet again based on zero reasons, then you are about to commit an error.

[Beskar]

If you believe I am townie, I would listen to me on this point.

If you believe I am scum, lynch TheLastdays.

I was jesting, but since you are so keen on that, let's do it this way.

The Last Days, tell us what Pizza wants to tell us.

And you reply "I am a vanilla townie", I am not unvoting you because you are being a big distraction at this stage and it would be simpler just to have you out of the way so we can get other people to talk more.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The Last Days, tell us what Pizza wants to tell us.

Wise choice, Beskar.

[Askthepizzaguy]

However, I would like a response to my question.

Who are the baddies still remaining that you're looking for?

Please list them all, including the ones you may think are dead. If I'm going to be of any use I need to know what the current status is.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I roleblocked him 3 times early on because Yaro and I thought he was Giant Axe Guy, and that cleared him of being everybody except Hades, because Hades didn't show up till after all of those blocks. So while I'd love to rule him out, I can't, and again it's annoyingly convenient how there seems to be some sort of connection there.

Coincidences happen, usually because the person in question is guilty.

I have no idea, but man, that sorta seems like an obvious lead.

[Beskar]

There is the black ooze guy killing everyone. The piece of nasty work which I presume everyone here would like out of the game as soon as possible.

There is talk of a couple of cultists, but the only recruit we have seen is the one early in game, "Ishtar" named as such by Andres who apparently has very long legs and he has fingered MRD as being the main suspect (Then again, Andres is anti-town in some fashion, so not that reliable) then there was that jokey reply from MRD suggesting he was a recruited cult member. I don't know anything more about this cult.

As for pro-town still around, there is Anjou Mainyu (he is still in the write-ups) and Chaotix seems to have backing from Yaropolk and Earthling of being a town role. So a possible two pro-town roles.

My two main suspects are TLD and Woad&Fangs of being scum. It was TLD and Chaotix, but since Chaotix has the blacking of pro-town roles, I am willing to give him benefit of doubt, at least while there are scummier people around.

I believe it was Glyphz and John which were cult-link suggestions, I think it was Earthling who brought that up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There is the black ooze guy killing everyone. The piece of nasty work which I presume everyone here would like out of the game as soon as possible.

Any confirmation on the gender of this killer?


There is talk of a couple of cultists, but the only recruit we have seen is the one early in game, "Ishtar" named as such by Andres who apparently has very long legs and he has fingered MRD as being the main suspect (Then again, Andres is anti-town in some fashion, so not that reliable) then there was that jokey reply from MRD suggesting he was a recruited cult member. I don't know anything more about this cult.

Andres being dead and suspected anti-town means you should probably ignore what he says, unless you can figure out exactly which team he was on, in which case he might have interesting information regarding teams that town and his own team were opposed to.


As for pro-town still around, there is Anjou Mainyu (he is still in the write-ups)

Possible, but I always thought Anjou was simply Khaan's narration. Then again I never knew a whole lot about this game.

Are you dead certain Anjou is in this game?


and Chaotix seems to have backing from Yaropolk and Earthling of being a town role. So a possible two pro-town roles.

Possibly, I have no opinion there. Don't you think, however, that Chaotix still being alive is rather odd?

Why would a suspected roleblocker still exist in the game at this point if he's been outed for a while?


My two main suspects are TLD and Woad&Fangs of being scum. It was TLD and Chaotix, but since Chaotix has the blacking of pro-town roles, I am willing to give him benefit of doubt, at least while there are scummier people around.

Pro-town roles don't always know what they're talking about. Trustworthy, their opinions are; trustworthy their failures are.


I believe it was Glyphz and John which were cult suggestions, I think it was Earthling who brought that up.

I hate to say it, but Earthling could be right. Lean glyphz over John, though.

[thefluffyone93]

There is talk of a couple of cultists, but the only recruit we have seen is the one early in game, "Ishtar" named as such by Andres who apparently has very long legs and he has fingered MRD as being the main suspect

Very long legs?

...........

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/The_Slender_Man_by_Nikkorai.jpg

[Beskar]

Any confirmation on the gender of this killer?

No, but the name "Hades" keeps popping up though. I cannot remember who the first person who brought that up was.


Possible, but I always thought Anjou was simply Khaan's narration. Then again I never knew a whole lot about this game.

Are you dead certain Anjou is in this game?

I don't have 100% proof (since I don't have khaan's rolelist), but from my understanding, Anjou is part of the game with only the little girl and old man storyteller being the narrators. Because since Anjou is the big leader guy, I am guessing he is like the "town mayor/leader" in a sense which the mafia has to get rid of, like that guy in Swords of the Moon with the bodyguards.


Possibly, I have no opinion there. Don't you think, however, that Chaotix still being alive is rather odd?

As I said last night, pure WIFOM. Unknown defender roles, etc. Being honest, I thought I was going to get night killed last night.


I hate to say it, but Earthling could be right. Lean glyphz over John, though.
I have in my mental note-book, which I will not fully disclose for obvious reasons. (I don't want my least suspected people getting killed off when there is random chance my most suspected ones do)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Speculation:

Hades could be the black ooze killer, Hades could also be the leader of a pro-Hades cult.

I honestly don't know, though. I've been baffled by Netherworld setups ever since the last one. I'm not too good with the mythology and I can't predict what goes on inside Khaan's unique mind.

I would think if the black ooze killer is opposed to the Hades cult, if any, the Hades cult should reveal one cultist now so we can destroy the Black Ooze Killer.

They would have information we don't have and point us at their top suspects.

That said, I am not certain their info is trustworthy either. I'd only listen if they could offer proof of their claims, evidence which we can see.

[Riedquat]

No, but the name "Hades" keeps popping up though. I cannot remember who the first person who brought that up was.

You are voting for that person...

Pizza all this is very confusing, you say you are and were a townie but at the same time defending TLD who is using the argument you were mafia to accuse others... bloody paradox...

And this fire-guy(Hades) going after Choxorn instead of Chaotix? Really? :inquisitive::dizzy2::inquisitive:

Vote: TLD

[woad&fangs]

unvote: chaotix; vote: Beskar
I know I'm not Hades. I know MRD is not Hades. I believe Chaotix enough to let him keep doing his thing but a list of people he has role blocked on which nights would be useful. More information only helps the town at this point. The Beskar vote is a random vote from amongst the other living.

[woad&fangs]

Unvote: Beskar; Vote: TLD
Meh, TLD is good enough. I'll follow the herd.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You are voting for that person...

Pizza all this is very confusing, you say you are and were a townie but at the same time defending TLD who is using the argument you were mafia to accuse others... bloody paradox...

I haven't been following very closely since I died. TLD thought I was mafia?

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong doesn't mean he was scum though, it just means he was wrong, like so many here.

[Earthling]

Some of this discussion is quite a mess, don't know where to start. I'll go with the scum we have left, as asked for and my best theory of what we actually have.

There's the sword/fire killer. The only person to claim this is "Hades" was TLD, and he's had so many posts that reek of PIS it's still implausible to me that he's town. FWIW I am certainly good with that lynch today too.

I rather believe this killer is in a last mafia/mafia godfather situation, because of "finally showing himself," being able to kill through protection, and all the other mafia killers disappearing.

So I'd say 1 mafia, part of the original mafia team. The other 3 out of 4 (all killers seen in the writeups) seem to be dead. Preferable we would get him first.

I doubt that if there is any anti-town cult that they will gain kills or win immediately if we eliminate the mafia.

That said I'd certainly agree there are WAYYYYYY too many non-town and neutrals here, with no reveals and our limited tools for the town. Then we have people like Andres implying to have ended up in a second cult group rivaling the first (??? but he said the cults, plural, might oppose each other) so it's possible they are not fully anti-town anyway.

After the mafia are gone, if we don't win then it will be obvious. We'd need get whatever cult leader is left and it hopefully vanilla cultists won't matter after that.

That gives us a second "scum to look for" then.

Last mafia, cult leader. If we can be sure of getting either then of course go for them first, one mafia isn't going to win immediately either so we'd have a few more lynches yet if we could get the cult leader and guarantee we're safe from the cult first.

now some other comments on other stuff that came up:

If you were asking for/about anything I said or my views and wanted more than what I said above what you're looking for is probably below. All comments on public talk or the writeups again, anyway I still don't intend to run afoul of rules on reveals, still being careful, if someone does see something they think too much point it out or I'll wait and not respond more.



first order of business I think relates to the lynch, I don't get pizza's defense of TLD either.

If pizza is vanilla townie, nothing he says would have any real evidence to it, so not worth hanging on his every word. A perspective is useful, sure, but he literally shouldn't have any additional information to worry about if he was vanilla town. And if he's not vanilla, then way too easy for him to be purposefully misleading especially as he already implied several times including with his own lynch that he was vanilla and we shouldn't listen much either.


The Last Days, tell us what Pizza wants to tell us.

So this is the best answer to what pizza has posted as far as I can tell. Though sorry to say I think it's a bit of a catch-22, if TLD claims vanilla and continues to claim pizza is lynched mafia that means we ignore any protests and just get it over with, and if TLD admits he's not vanilla that confirms like everybody's zillion suspicions of him the whole time. I guess we could accept him revealing as something like cult+the names of his other cultists so we can just catch the last mafia with the additional info, but even then he'd be fishy.

As for whoever pointed out the glyphz/jht connection, I believe it might have been Ironside and developed further with choxorn's case on jht. I can't take credit for the original idea, however I did look at their votes and as a result of that I do also agree there could be a connection.

So it doesn't make much sense that glyphz or jht are mafia, because of their votes against multiple other lynchees we suspect are the mafia, and when glyphz was about to get lynched basically nobody but townies were voting in his favor (and he didn't seem to care much anyway if he died, which could only go for a townie/cult recruit). So all that put together, plus the roleblocks on glyphz, it's possible they are cult but I would rule them out as mafia.

Lastly, Beskar, I don't know where you are getting that Mainyu is one of the player's characters. There is no good evidence of that in any writeup and it doesn't seem likely, unless you want to clarify you have more significant claims or info.

I get that the writeups are fiendish and confusing, I definitely can't be sure who is neutral, non-town, or what except in very few cases. Still, Mainyu seems like an NPC, unless you suspect a Loki-like situation to use an analogy, the very first death in the first night hints at something like that too but if that's true at this point we're in huge trouble so rather assume not. And some stuff, like the little girl/grandpa who've been varying wildly, and even disappeared from Diamondeye's lynch (first time since Day 1???) I have absolutely no idea if it's supposed to be clues or meaningful in the end.

Basically, I'd summarize that the writeups are massively confusing and the point of not revealing town or mafia remains intact, we barely have a handful of people confirmed as anything. GE as mafia and people killed at night are what we seem to know - otherwise many dead suspects like Renata, white_eyes, and Andres could have been neutrals, mafia, cult, anything.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can be vanilla and still have information.

The info comes not from my role or abilities, obviously.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Basically, I can point out avenues of logic that you're overlooking. I just can't say what I know.

[Chaotix]

unvote: chaotix; vote: Beskar
I know I'm not Hades. I know MRD is not Hades. I believe Chaotix enough to let him keep doing his thing but a list of people he has role blocked on which nights would be useful. More information only helps the town at this point. The Beskar vote is a random vote from amongst the other living.

If I do this, then the mafia suddenly know exactly who to kill in order to stay alive. It's a double-edged sword.

That said, if the majority of you guys say you want the list of my roleblocks, then I'll give it.

Also, I should be able to do at least one more roleblock before I get night-killed. I've been contacted by another doctor, so... he's either going to take the hit for me or we'll get lucky and the kill through protection was a one-time thing.

On this ATPG/TLD business: first, we have no guarantee that ATPG is innocent, or if so if his information is correct. I'd love to be able to rule someone out, but if TLD's not gonna spill the beans and ATPG isn't allowed to... color me skeptical here. Could be total truth, on the flipside it could be desperate dead scum trying to save his buddy.

[Earthling]

On the TLD/pizza situation I could say more but it really seems fruitless until living people either can answer or refuse to answer to things. If he or someone wants to hear more I could post part of a post I'd written up but cutting it here.

However, going back to look over some posts and issues brought up something else I am concerned about, definitely the best contribution I've got today, so this is for everyone.

Let's shift gears and ask something that's fairly independent, about just one person, and easy for anyone to read up on.

It would still trouble me enough not to see a lynch TLD today and this is not really for his own sake but the fact that there seems to be a more efficient, pro-town option for the lynch. I'm thinking I'll put myself down for encouraging a lynch of MRD as things stand right now.

If MRD is a major scum we needed to lynch, hurray, we're winning. If not, he's a cultist, so we're running in place at worst and hopefully the cult doesn't recruit every night so that might be a worthwhile blow.

Basically, it's the fact that it's a lynch with nothing to lose, and unless MRD/formerly robbiecon was cleared of being mafia for good reason it's not a bad chance of that either. Or if it's purely a cultist thing and the cultists are lying and MRD defends himself, well that's progress too.

The last mafia, even if he is TLD, can't win by overpowering everyone yet. So the MRD lynch looks too promising.

So when I went back looking at some posts, what we see with robbiecon then MRD is absurdly out of line. The main issue first is:

MRD, how can you have had some major anti-cult role/abilities and now you got recruited by the (a??) cult? That really needs answering immediately, more questions could follow.

[Askthepizzaguy]

On this ATPG/TLD business: first, we have no guarantee that ATPG is innocent, or if so if his information is correct. I'd love to be able to rule someone out, but if TLD's not gonna spill the beans and ATPG isn't allowed to... color me skeptical here. Could be total truth, on the flipside it could be desperate dead scum trying to save his buddy.

1) TLD should definitely answer, I agree.
2) Dead scum trying to save buddy? :inquisitive: Toss out this option, I never do this.

[Earthling]

Actually, I'm just going to list out the general case, that seems best for the town at large here. Voting deadlines and no guarantee MRD responds and whatever, no need to be a stickler, I can write out everything and if people think to ignore it or decide it's just too much paranoia they're doing it with all the details, not waiting for me to say more tomorrow.

1) robbiecon's posts while he was around were simply scummy. He actively defended God Emperor who we're pretty sure was scum now, and that's about all he did actually.

2) robbiecon's character role gets a replacement player after he's been gone awhile, other presumed townies get WoK'd. Also this was already mentioned by other players, and the replacement issue is never perfect evidence on its own but it also beats random chance by far that something fishy is going on.

3) MRD makes vague implications about some anti-cult ability, then the claim is that he's with a cult.

What are our options of what is actually the case?

MRD/formerly robbiecon is still a townie. We do have a non zero chance that MRD is making stuff up just to be funny, I think many of us would say. But robbiecon was scummy, hence robbiecon was vanilla townie is a bad automatic assumption, and then we double down against just a joke with w&f claiming MRD is with the cult.

Or, he was a basic townie and is just a cult recruit now. Explains MRD acting silly, because he can, and w&f saying what he said so this is perhaps most likely.

Or, he's some other real scum who's only faking his way or made some alliance with a cult. Explains every observation here but doesn't mean some of them aren't just coincidences.

So if we lynch MRD, what happens?

Best case scenario is we lynch a real scum.
Worst case scenario is we lynch a cultist.

The very worst case of lynching a townie really looks to be out of the picture here - if MRD is something else neutral or is town we'd expect him to come clean and explain his role before the lynch.

I know the lynch overall could feel disappointing unless we have new evidence but it's also a strategic move for the town as we get near endgame.

And all that said, I highly doubt MRD or the former robbiecon was investigated/blocked in any way that could clear things up but someone living who can weigh in on that would help if it's relevant.

[Earthling]

Actually, put me back down for endorsing the TLD lynch. It just has to happen, no need for second guessing and I truly can't believe that he is a vanilla townie.

I'm letting annoyance at neutrals/cults in this game get to me too much. MRD being a basic cult recruit is very plausible but not enough of a catch if that's all it is, I'm convincing myself into hoping it would be more. Getting the mafia is the priority, and I should go with that.

We could easily just follow up tomorrow on MRD if nothing at all changes after this lynch, and much less trouble for everyone to do TLD today and possible-cult-situation-if-it-even-matters tomorrow than vice versa.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Earthling, you're annoyingly close to the solution. Don't, stop, thinking.

[Earthling]

Really the town as a whole is very close and I think we'll still get it. An awful lot of townies deserves a ton of credit for many past successes and even the vanillas who did everything they could to provide votes on key past lynches or the votes we need at the end here have earned it.

It's not that I plan to give up on explaining possibilities and passing on to the town as much as I can within the rules, it's that I don't feel like I'm helping that much by repeating info or causing clutter.


I still think TLD can't be a vanilla townie. And if he's not, the town are fully justified in lynching him. The problem is, yes, I can see a possibility for him not being with the main mafia group either. It just might not be worth fighting against the grain, the town always neeoilds to avoid even worse possible vote swings after all and

It does bother me that the most rational, Bayesian outlook here would say that lynching TLD isn't the optimal move for a townie victory. But it's what everybody wants, including me. With the same crowd that would opt to keep Loki alive because it's funny even though we'll lose to the Jotun, and a dozen things in a dozen other games, it's safe to say no one would want to see TLD survive as some other neutral/cult/third party after the town endures such a disastrously scummy performance. More "efficient" to save the TLD lynch for one or two days, as if he's the last scum left it still wouldn't matter - maybe, but it's tough to call such an option.

Here's something slightly more productive, townies in general or interested people can read it:

A lot of the still living people in general have definitely been failing to give their opinions on who was already scum, which should be the most important evidence of all if we can get it right, lacking actual reveals. We lynched people, mafia killers disappeared from the writeups, we have to all agree on that.

And pizza I don't see how you couldn't give your opinions on this by the rules too, if you do it as based on the writeups, that could help the town if you're interested and should be free of you spoiling anything.

So actually, if anyone else is changing votes, making a new vote, etc... it would be great if you could give your thoughts on the general status we're at, and with today's lynch the following statement. This is information in the voting record or theories already referenced before, and is really the heart of the matter.

Hypothesis:
TLD can't be with the main mafia because he voted against Renata, who was a member of the main mafia.

If you disagree with the conclusion on Renata this whole dilemma is ridiculously easy and you've probably stopped reading my posts by now. That's ok.

My problem is I personally believe it's more likely Renata was mafia than a couple others like white_eyes or fluffy. And that just can't be reconciled with TLD being mafia. Even though he's ridiculously scummy and I agree I want him gone. So then the lynch of TLD won't be a game winner, when we get some other evil neutral guy we just need to make sure things don't collapse in the follow up on other cases.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If Renata was the main mafia (I haven't been paying attention.... :sad:) then I know for certain that TLD is not the main mafia.

Being dead really sucks, here. You people should not have lynched me.

[Major Robert Dump]

Andres is anti-cult because there were two cults and he was in the one that opposes the current cult.

If your character name is Anjou Mainyu you really need to PM me. I have something to give you

@ Earthling: I never claimed to have anti-cult abilities. I claimed to have abilities that could benefit the town and asked for PMs, and the town goals and cult goals are not mutually exclusive. The cult is not out to get the town, at least according to my boss.

Since I know you're gonna ask or threaten a lynch, I will reveal what my pro-town ability is: I have the ability to make stuff up so people will PM me because I am lonely and wanting to cyberz.

Chaotix and TLD both PMd me, they both claimed to be town, both asked for my ability. Chaotix says he is a roleblocker working with Yrapolk and that he caught GH.

TLD claims to be a vanilla townie and says Chaotix is the only other claimed pro-townie power role and is likely to be lynched before me.

When I admitted to my ability, neither party, for the record, wanted cyberz.

[Choxorn]

unvote: chaotix; vote: Beskar
I know I'm not Hades. I know MRD is not Hades. I believe Chaotix enough to let him keep doing his thing but a list of people he has role blocked on which nights would be useful. More information only helps the town at this point. The Beskar vote is a random vote from amongst the other living.


Unvote: Beskar; Vote: TLD
Meh, TLD is good enough. I'll follow the herd.

Alert: Set SCUMCON to SCUMCON 1. Scumdar has detected major scumminess.

Translation: These two posts are really scummy, he is guilty of fishing, and randomvoting followed by immediate switching to a bandwagon, and mild tones of PIS. woad&fangs needs to be lynched after you've gotten rid of TLD.

[Diamondeye]

I hope CH gets Wogged since you apparently aren't going to vote him.

[classical_hero]

I hope CH gets Wogged since you apparently aren't going to vote him.I'm still here. I it just that some times I forget to vote and the dead talking are not giving much clarity to this thread. Perhaps you could enlighten us why you think I should be lynched? Since their is a massive wagon on TLD I don't think we need any more votes on him right now, since we need another target.

[Beskar]

And this fire-guy(Hades) going after Choxorn instead of Chaotix? Really? :inquisitive::dizzy2::inquisitive:

I just thought of something hilarious... they mixed up Choxorn for Chaotix... :laugh4:

Warman is the mafia all along!

Edit:

The Beskar vote is a random vote from amongst the other living.

No, actually. There are 4 people I have down as being hades, which TLD and W&F are two of them.

If there is a cult, I have three people down as being cultists/cult leader.

One down as possible pro-town and between two people I suspect of being Anjou Mainyu. Leaving three others as being marked down as "Vanilla Town".

[johnhughthom]

Vote:woad&fangs

Squirmy.

[Riedquat]

Unvote: Beskar; Vote: TLD
Meh, TLD is good enough. I'll follow the herd.

Really? :inquisitive: You, the one who suggested lynching all the power roles in order to win? And honestly it seems you so far had voted following that premise, why the sudden change?


I haven't been following very closely since I died. TLD thought I was mafia?

He thinks it now, can't say for sure what he thought or not; Now...I think you were something, don't know what....


If I do this, then the mafia suddenly know exactly who to kill in order to stay alive. It's a double-edged sword.

How convenient... Adding to the fact now, not only there is one protown alive but two... if the numbers of protowns and cultists keep increasing at this rate we'll reach the conclusion Andres suggestion about the numbers in this game were very accurate.... :dizzy2:


Earthling, you're annoyingly close to the solution. Don't, stop, thinking.

:laugh4: Holy walls of text Earthling!



If Renata was the main mafia (I haven't been paying attention.... :sad:) then I know for certain that TLD is not the main mafia.

Being dead really sucks, here. You people should not have lynched me.

Again, go back and look who lynched you...
Is TLD mafia? I don't know for sure, mafia or town is a big distraction...


Andres is anti-cult because there were two cults and he was in the one that opposes the current cult.

If your character name is Anjou Mainyu you really need to PM me. I have something to give you

@ Earthling: I never claimed to have anti-cult abilities. I claimed to have abilities that could benefit the town and asked for PMs, and the town goals and cult goals are not mutually exclusive. The cult is not out to get the town, at least according to my boss.

Since I know you're gonna ask or threaten a lynch, I will reveal what my pro-town ability is: I have the ability to make stuff up so people will PM me because I am lonely and wanting to cyberz.

Chaotix and TLD both PMd me, they both claimed to be town, both asked for my ability. Chaotix says he is a roleblocker working with Yrapolk and that he caught GH.

TLD claims to be a vanilla townie and says Chaotix is the only other claimed pro-townie power role and is likely to be lynched before me.

When I admitted to my ability, neither party, for the record, wanted cyberz.

:dizzy2:

I must admit that is one of the best abilities I heard about! :laugh4:

[classical_hero]

vote:Woad&Fang

[johnhughthom]

vote:Woad&Fang

Thank you for your contribution. I will assume United's victory has rendered you almost speechless, at least you voted.

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote:Woad&Fang

Wait, this will only result in an incomplete lynch. Don't you realize? He's woad&fangS, there are at least two of them, probably four.

You lynch one fang and the other ones will still bite ya.

[Askthepizzaguy]

WAIT a second. WOAD is still alive too?

What the heck is wrong with you people???

[woad&fangs]

Go back and read Netherworld 1 and it should be pretty obvious why I am not the mafia in this one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Go back and read Netherworld 1 and it should be pretty obvious why I am not the mafia in this one.

Go back and read War and Peace and it should be obvious why I am not mafia.

How about you summarize it for me, woad&"fang"?

[woad&fangs]

When Hades showed up in this game the odds for him were... 1:15 or something like that? Khaan writes the coolest power role fight scenes in the gameroom. I would have attacked Chaotix and the cultists head on to get some cool fight scenes going by now just like I did in Netherworld 1. Especially since the last mafioso is obviously Hades. Seriously :daisy: Hades.

[Choxorn]

And who's to say you wouldn't have decided to do different tactics in this game, going after townies so that you and the neutrals could thin them about a bit before you had to fight each other?

I take it back: Screw TLD, lynch this guy.

[TheLastDays]

Well, first of all, I'll be scummy again and try to save my own butt: unvote, vote: woad&fangs

Now, back to business:

Sorry, for not replaying earlier. I was out of town today and just came back. I am extremely tired but not surprised by what I find here. I knew I was on the chopping block for today and so it turned out.

Guys, I'm sorry for whatever of this might be my fault, I have given this game my best shot. I know, you don't believe I am a vanilla townie, the best thing you would believe about me right now seems to be some third party/cult role but you're wrong and you'll be proven wrong at the end of the game. I am as vanilla as they come. As I said, I gave this my best shot. I was hunting for scum for the entire game. When I contributed more than others that was because I wanted to solve this game and posting and talking are all the tools I have as a vanilla townie. I was wrong a few times, at least Earthling is proven to be a townie and I went after him hard. Bad call on my part. I went after Believer and it turned out that he was something. His death writeup doesn't really make me believe he was pro-town as does his disappearance after death.

There's been a lot of talking about PIS from my side (Hades and other things). Well, there is no PIS, because, again, I. Am. Vanilla. If it turns out I was right about these things (which isn't a given. I'm not even certain the killer we see doing his work at night is Hades. I just assumed so because of the similarities to Hades in Netherworld I. I started calling him Hades out of simplicity) you could have all seen them yourselves because every information I have is very well available to all of you. It's in this thread.

There is one thing that isn't and that's my private discussion with MRD. I'll put the contents here, so you have them, should you lynch me today and thus rid me of the possibility to reveal anything. Pleas keep in mind, that he claims to be cult and a mere member, so there are several ways that this could be misinformation. He could be fooling me. He could have been fooled by his superiors, etc.

Anyway, MRD told me he was recruited by a cult who has the goal to find a certain role and for their leader to "have sex" with that role. Whatever effect that is going to have he claims to have no knowledge about. He told me that they believe Chaotix is scum because they tried to recruit him and the recruitment failed. I don't necessarily follow that conclusion, because if Chaotix is an importaint pro-town role, which he claims to be, he could very well be immune to recruitment as well. He also said it looked like there were about 4-5 people in that cult.

That's about it, MRD you can confirm that you told me that or deny it, whatever you feel like. That said, if there is Angra Mayniu as a role in this game I seriously want to discourage that player from revealing to MRD. Or any other player, for that matter. I don't think MRD is really dangerous but if he is what he claims, the risk just outweighs any possible benefit of revealing to him.

Now, why should you not lynch me? Well, if I'm such a distraction, I'm sorry. Still I am a pro town vote and we don't know how many we have left. I'm not scum, I'm not third party but you make your call.

Now on to one more thing:


The Last Days, tell us what Pizza wants to tell us.


I have no idea. I wish I had. Pizza makes all this sound like there is something in this game that I can figure out about why I can't be scum if he wasn't scum. Now, that's weird, because, while not 100% sure, I assumed Pizza was scum, just because the green man disappeared after Pizza's lynch, as random as that lynch was. Still, I really wish I knew what he wants me to reveal, I had fairly little personal discussion with him during this game.

I just went over my whole chatlogs and most of our Mafia-related talks recently were about my own game and a game on another site Pizza was telling me about. About Netherworld I I only voiced my suspicion of Believer to him and also told him that I thought Earthling was behaving strangely.

Honestly, I don't see the connection, I would love to clear myself, you can bet on that but I'm not going to make up an ability or anything. Pizza made it look like the connection that would clear me was visible in the thread but I haven't found it yet and I might be too tired. Again, I gave this game my best shot, I was wrong a few times but a few players I usually respect for their analytical abilities (Secura, Earthling, etc.) are very wrong about me so I guess it's fair enough.

I have answered to every case or question made against me. If I overlooked anything, please restate it, I am willing to put in any effort that is necessary and if you still want to lynch me, fine. I don't think I can be blamed for that.

[Chaotix]

When Hades showed up in this game the odds for him were... 1:15 or something like that? Khaan writes the coolest power role fight scenes in the gameroom. I would have attacked Chaotix and the cultists head on to get some cool fight scenes going by now just like I did in Netherworld 1. Especially since the last mafioso is obviously Hades. Seriously :daisy: Hades.

Woad, you do realize that Hades has already killed at least three or four power roles already, right? That line of reasoning wouldn't even help your case if I were to take it as valid.

EDIT: TLD, I think due to the lack of participating players, you may survive this round yet again. In which case I will see about proving you innocent or guilty of being Hades once and for all.

[Secura]

Again, I gave this game my best shot, I was wrong a few times but a few players I usually respect for their analytical abilities (Secura, Earthling, etc.) are very wrong about me so I guess it's fair enough.

Sweetie, wait until the end of the game and I will be able to explain everything. :P

[seireikhaan]

By my count, we've a tie. Since I'm likely to go night-night soon, I'm going to extend the round 12 hours. Have at it.


TheLastDays 4 (woad&fangs, Riedquat, Beskar, Chaotix)
woad&fangs 4 (TheLastDays, Classical Hero, johnhughthom, Beskar)
MRD 1 (Chaotix)
Chaotix 1 (woad&fangs)

[Choxorn]

Or you could just lynch both of them... :clown:

[woad&fangs]

Or we could not count Beskar twice.....
TLD should be lynched since Beskar unvoted me and then voted him unless I'm missing something.

edit: Looks like I am also counted twice. I don't remember voting chaotix this round. I voted Beskar then immediately switched to TLD....

[Earthling]

woad&fangs' observation is correct as far as I can see, the vote tally does not match the votes placed by players.

However, I did notice Beskar did have his vote counted twice before, on the first day, so in Beskar's case this could be legitimate, he did actually place both of those votes even though one appeared to be unvoted, just as on Day One. Either this is resolved anyway or the tie goes on but then it couldn't be coincidence with Beskar and we'd know something is wrong.

Also:

If your character name is Anjou Mainyu you really need to PM me.

Yeah. Right. Can't even spell the name.

The only person to spell "Angra" as "Anjou" is Beskar, whether by typo or deliberately contradicting writeups, and he's given no satisfactory reason for thinking said player character is in the game. Certainly MRD has nothing to go on but depending on what we see here Beskar could do with a final answer or two.

[Beskar]

However, I did notice Beskar did have his vote counted twice before, on the first day, so in Beskar's case this could be legitimate, he did actually place both of those votes even though one appeared to be unvoted, just as on Day One. Either this is resolved anyway or the tie goes on but then it couldn't be coincidence with Beskar and we'd know something is wrong..

Nothing to do with me. Host mistake. Unless I have been given a power I have not been made aware of.

As for the other thing, all I have to say is "LOL". I been typing it wrong all game intentionally, and it looks like it is paying off *flex*

[Death is yonder]

Hmm well, looks like the pro-town people (and Earthling included [quite noteworthy!]) think that Chaotix has a decent alibi. I'll trust them then, and if Chaotix supposedly outed GH with Yaro, then so be it.

As for MRD though, I must admit that from there springs some doubts about Chaotix, because from a mechanics perspective, making pro-town roles recruitable would definitely screw around with pro-town networks big time, which 'khaan wants. That's really the only thing about the whole situation that bothers me, because the only other way he could "screw around with networks" is to:

a) Have a pro-town role who is actually a scum in disguise

Or something, which wouldn't be that effective because it would mean the scum person while being able to join the network, would thus have his abilities largely restricted to be of little benefit to his own faction, and lets say a decision is made to roleblock someone who is actually his fellow scum, tough scenario. Which means, it would actually be easier to find scum in that sense, (IE: roleblock --> kills drop or refuse role block --> lynch).

[Which is actually pretty darn unlikely, because its quite possible that if the power roles were open in info sharing which they appear to be (eg: Yaro knows Secura and vice versa) then what we would have been seeing is a systemic killing off of the power roles once their names were known which isn't just screwing the network, but crippling the town as well)]

I'm sort of fine with the decision to trust Chaotix because I don't have the behind the scenes knowledge, but I do have a problem stemming from the claim that pro-town role = unrecruitable, because it raises the question that I was thinking about above.

Well this assumes MRD is even telling the truth though rather than fooling around with us.

[Chaotix]

Hmm well, looks like the pro-town people (and Earthling included [quite noteworthy!]) think that Chaotix has a decent alibi. I'll trust them then, and if Chaotix supposedly outed GH with Yaro, then so be it.

As for MRD though, I must admit that from there springs some doubts about Chaotix, because from a mechanics perspective, making pro-town roles recruitable would definitely screw around with pro-town networks big time, which 'khaan wants. That's really the only thing about the whole situation that bothers me, because the only other way he could "screw around with networks" is to:

a) Have a pro-town role who is actually a scum in disguise

Or something, which wouldn't be that effective because it would mean the scum person while being able to join the network, would thus have his abilities largely restricted to be of little benefit to his own faction, and lets say a decision is made to roleblock someone who is actually his fellow scum, tough scenario. Which means, it would actually be easier to find scum in that sense, (IE: roleblock --> kills drop or refuse role block --> lynch).

[Which is actually pretty darn unlikely, because its quite possible that if the power roles were open in info sharing which they appear to be (eg: Yaro knows Secura and vice versa) then what we would have been seeing is a systemic killing off of the power roles once their names were known which isn't just screwing the network, but crippling the town as well)]

I'm sort of fine with the decision to trust Chaotix because I don't have the behind the scenes knowledge, but I do have a problem stemming from the claim that pro-town role = unrecruitable, because it raises the question that I was thinking about above.

Well this assumes MRD is even telling the truth though rather than fooling around with us.

Personally, I thought this was odd when I heard it from MRD myself as well.

I don't know whether Andres or GH were recruited or started out that way, but it seems likely that at least one of them were.

I think susceptibility to conversion may rely on specific roles and not on the general designation of "townie", "pro-town", "mafia", and such. It could be the fact that my role is a god (Janus, god of time) that makes me unrecruitable. GH (Giant Axe Guy) was human, and I don't know what Andres was, but there could be some sort of logic in that line of thinking.

But again, yeah. MRD might just be screwing around and fixing to get me lynched since I looked important two rounds ago.

[Earthling]

Everything you've said about the cults, ability to recruit, mess around with pro-town networks, etc... generally makes sense.

I think there's a simpler guess about the nature of the cults at least as far as recruiting, sum all those ideas of yours up if I had to take a shot at it. How many they are and if they are fully anti-town, don't know, that's true.

But that would be:

Any cult god/goddess is only able to recruit mortals. This would rule out the mafia by default so no shenanigans there, mafia and cult are separate, and some or most neutrals and pro-town. Also makes narrative and intuitive sense, they can't recruit gods who they lack power over in the same way they could recruit humans.

edit- I believe Renata claimed to have had a failed recruitment against her, for the record, think that was mentioned and counter-mentioned way back during her lynch. Any already admitted cultist here want to explain if their cult was involved in that, do you think she was neutral or mafia?

edit 2 - and for easing anyone's checking, that happens to have been in post #1000 from Renata and maybe anyone else still alive who commented on cults back then said something.

[TheLastDays]

Sweetie, wait until the end of the game and I will be able to explain everything. :P

I take this as a confession that your motives for getting me lynched were not pro town so, fair enough, I suppose, since it probably means you don't really think I was scum, because of some flimsy arguments. :wink:

Anyway, since the tally seems to be off (my vcount shows the same, I should have most votes) it's meaningless anyway. Congratulations town. I've been set up as lynch bait and you gave them just what they wanted, I'm very impressed, not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The vote be tied, sire! :clown:

Anyway, the best defense is a good offense. Do you actually have a better or more conclusive suspect? I'm sure you've been following more closely than I have. So who needs to die?

[TheLastDays]

Well, at the moment, if the vote is really tied by some weird game mechanics I am unaware of, then my best suspect is woad&fangs :yes:

I am very satisfied with Riedquats answer to my vote and question earlier this day. I think our cult leader could very well be JHT.

classical is a good suspect for Hades. I don't think Hades = cult, I think Hades is the killer, because the similarities between our remaining killer and Hades (from Neherworld I) are the only evidence of Hades even being in this game.

[Captain Blackadder]

Currently I believe that this whole cult business is a distraction as far as I can tell they have never killed. Whilst in most cases I dislike neutrals especially in small games in large games like this I think that they can be pro town. Of the two suspects I think TLD is the more scummy of the two I think he is Hades and his whole speel in this game comes from him knowing everything their is to know about hades since he is Hades.

Vote: TLD

[TheLastDays]

Currently I believe that this whole cult business is a distraction as far as I can tell they have never killed. Whilst in most cases I dislike neutrals especially in small games in large games like this I think that they can be pro town. Of the two suspects I think TLD is the more scummy of the two I think he is Hades and his whole speel in this game comes from him knowing everything their is to know about hades since he is Hades.

Vote: TLD

You can all be ashamed later when I flip vanilla townie and you realise that every information that I might have was availabe to everyone :yes:

[Choxorn]

Guys, really, vote woad&fangs, he's way more scummy.

Use your agressive feelings, townies. Look in your heart. You know it to be true- you know he is scum! SWAT THE SCUM WITH SWORDS. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Guys, really, vote woad&fangs, he's way more scummy.

Use your agressive feelings, townies. Look in your heart. You know it to be true- you know he is scum! SWAT THE SCUM WITH SWORDS. MWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hey! Nobody quotes the Palpatine but me. And if you're going to do it, do it right.

And now you're stealing my MWAHAHAHA? Kay? Seriously? There's already a pizza guy here, and I'm not splitting the tips with you.

[TheLastDays]

Well since this wasn't a tiebreaker like I thought at first it seems there are now 5 votes on me and 3 votes on w&f. I agree with Choxorn here, so go vote w&f :yes:

Also, Captain Blackadder, your post with the vote on me doesn't make you look to good either.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Vote:woad&fangs

[Beskar]

Chaotix, you said something which tingled my alarm. Why would another god be helping Anjou Mainyu (Angra Mainyu)?

Were the other "pro-town" roles gods as I am remember them being human I think, or some one mentioned them being humans in service of the almighty lord who is being opposed by gods of both heaven and hell.

[TheLastDays]

Just read the opening post. These things are pretty clear there.

The Mafia here are sent from the gods of both the heavens and the Netherworld (Hades being the current leader of the Netherworld, since Netherworld I).
The forces of Angra Mainyu may consist of whatever. The OP clearly states that there are gods and demons who betrayed the Netherworld and the heavens and joined Mainyu.

EDIT: Also, you forgot to unvote and vote for woad&fangs :wink:

[TheLastDays]

Sweetie, wait until the end of the game and I will be able to explain everything. :P

Please take notice of this post. If there's anyone left here who is town, you can clearly see that she's taunting me, because she was not mistaken about me, because she never believed that I was scum. Her reasons for wanting me lynched were clearly not pro-town.

[Riedquat]

By my count, we've a tie. Since I'm likely to go night-night soon, I'm going to extend the round 12 hours. Have at it.


TheLastDays 4 (woad&fangs, Riedquat, Beskar, Chaotix)
woad&fangs 4 (TheLastDays, Classical Hero, johnhughthom, Beskar)
MRD 1 (Chaotix)
Chaotix 1 (woad&fangs)

As others noted it seems you forgot to discount the unvotes, the correct tally at that time would have been something like this:

TheLastDays 4 (Beskar, Chaotix, Riedquat, w&f)
Woad&fangs 3 (jht, classical_hero,TLD)

while now its....

TheLastDays 5 (Beskar, Chaotix, Riedquat, w&f, Captain Blackadder)
Woad&fangs 4 (jht, classical_hero,TLD, warman)

Feel free to recheck accuracy, not feeling to sharp this morning...

[Beskar]

The OP clearly states that there are gods and demons who betrayed the Netherworld and the heavens and joined Mainyu.

That's good then, I was really worried for a moment.

[Chaotix]

:shrug:

Yeah, as far as we know Athena was pro-town too.

My role PM said something to the effect of Janus being pissed that the gods from the heavens and netherworld are interfering with the natural flow of time and want them to stop.

[TheLastDays]

As others noted it seems you forgot to discount the unvotes, the correct tally at that time would have been something like this:

TheLastDays 4 (Beskar, Chaotix, Riedquat, w&f)
Woad&fangs 3 (jht, classical_hero,TLD)

while now its....

TheLastDays 5 (Beskar, Chaotix, Riedquat, w&f, Captain Blackadder)
Woad&fangs 4 (jht, classical_hero,TLD, warman)

Feel free to recheck accuracy, not feeling to sharp this morning...

No, seems right to me. Not good for the town, imo, but it seems correct.

[Major Robert Dump]

Vote: Woad&fangs

Duel pls

[Secura]

Her reasons for wanting me lynched were clearly not pro-town.

I sincerely hope that you're not insinuating that I wasn't town-aligned, because you'd be way off the mark if that was the case. It seems that you're taking this too personally when you should be focusing on the game... don't get distracted.

As I said, my good reason will be made clear after the game, since I'm incapable of talking to you privately at this moment in time. :3

[Choxorn]

Hey! Nobody quotes the Palpatine but me. And if you're going to do it, do it right.

And now you're stealing my MWAHAHAHA? Kay? Seriously? There's already a pizza guy here, and I'm not splitting the tips with you.

I apologize, and yield to your superior Palapatineness. :bow:

[seireikhaan]

Okay, first off, to myself:

https://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x246/greaterkhaan/normal_colbert_headdesk.jpg

It is now tied(yes, actually, this time). Tiebreak procedure in effect. First player to have more votes than the other will be lynched. You are still free to vote for anyone.


TheLastDays 5 (Beskar, Chaotix, Riedquat, woad&fangs, Captain Blackadder)
Woad&fangs 5 (Major Robert Dump, johnhughthom, classical hero,TLD, warman)

Not Voting: dcmort, glyphz