Netherworld III: Final Judgment [Concluded]

[TheLastDays]

I sincerely hope that you're not insinuating that I wasn't town-aligned, because you'd be way off the mark if that was the case. It seems that you're taking this too personally when you should be focusing on the game... don't get distracted.

As I said, my good reason will be made clear after the game, since I'm incapable of talking to you privately at this moment in time. :3

Well up until that post of yours that I was quoting I had you down as pro-town. But I'm not scum so the reason for getting me lynched is either 1) you're wrong about me, or 2) you have other agendas than lynching scum.

That said, I really don't take this personal. I see that from some of my recent posts how this idea could have been taken but it's a game. I try my best to play and work for the win of my team, which is the town in this game, but I won't be personally offended by people voting me or wanting to see me lynched :yes:

[Beskar]

unvote; vote: Woad&Fangs

Get the round ended with, and Chaotix, you know what I am going to say.

[TheLastDays]

unvote; vote: Woad&Fangs


:2thumbsup:

Well, another day, although I guess my only hope to finish this as a survivor is if w&f was actually Hades and the game is over :sweatdrop:

[Earthling]

I doubt w&f will be mafia, he's very likely going to be a cultist. On the plus side hopefully we see some reveal of that in the writeup.

So letting TLD go...might as well let him go tomorrow is what I'd say too. If he's scum, he's only one scum left and probably can't win till there are like 4 total people around. So another lynch at the cult/other suspect for mafia would be more efficient, guarantees we cut down the cult or just catch the scum if it's not TLD.

Maybe focus any night actions we still have in favor of the town on Warman or classical, who are dangerous unknowns, and lynch MRD tomorrow if that doesn't change anything regarding the kills or provide new evidence.

[Beskar]

Well, MRD claimed the cult isn't anti-town so once the mafia are disposed of, wouldn't everyone win, hypothetically? No point having "Hades" run around slaughtering everyone if we could have won 5 rounds ago, as it were if we simply lynched him off. So on that note, I don't agree with your tactic.

Obviously getting rid of MRD once Hades is disposed of if we have not won is a good idea.

[Earthling]

The point is MRD could BE Hades. What he's said in public at least is no guarantee he's with the cult, and he contradicts himself a lot. It's doubtful he was some other power role and then got converted to cult. On the other hand if he was Hades/anti-town all along he could have just contacted the cult and allied with them informally, not converted by a game mechanic or anything. Plus, robbiecon was actually scummy before the MRD replacement.

If he's not Hades, hopefully it could force some confessions and sort things out, but it's not just because he's suspected cult that he'd be worth a lynch (he certainly could just end up being cult, but there's a chance of something else)

[TheLastDays]

Well, MRD claimed the cult isn't anti-town so once the mafia are disposed of, wouldn't everyone win, hypothetically? No point having "Hades" run around slaughtering everyone if we could have won 5 rounds ago, as it were if we simply lynched him off. So on that note, I don't agree with your tactic.


Well... It's really a tough choice. The thing is, that in Netherworld I the real problems just begun when the Mafia was dealt with. We could well face a cult that suddenly has the ability to kill or has just had the time to finish whatever their anti-town goals are.

Simply taking MRD's word for the cult not being anti-town is much, imo. I know first hand the deceptive abilities of MRD, especially when he's apparently "screwing around" AND in this instance, since he claims to be a mere recruit, even if he's honest, he could have been fed misinformation by his cult superiors.

On the other hand, if the cult starts killing now we are in a better position than after Hades has killed another 2-3 of the town so I guess I agree with you, if we have a clear lead on Hades. My only concern is, that your lead will be me and I am neither cult aligned nor Hades and between these two I'm not sure how many townies we can waste.

[TheLastDays]

The point is MRD could BE Hades. What he's said in public at least is no guarantee he's with the cult, and he contradicts himself a lot. It's doubtful he was some other power role and then got converted to cult. On the other hand if he was Hades/anti-town all along he could have just contacted the cult and allied with them informally, not converted by a game mechanic or anything. Plus, robbiecon was actually scummy before the MRD replacement.

If he's not Hades, hopefully it could force some confessions and sort things out, but it's not just because he's suspected cult that he'd be worth a lynch (he certainly could just end up being cult, but there's a chance of something else)

No, sorry, but MRD cannot logically be Hades. Hades started killing 1-2 nights before MRD entered the game. robbiecon was already inactive (hence why he was replaced) and I doubt khaan would randomly select targets for a role that currently has no active player.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Capo III to the rescue.


Folks, make a list of the remaining baddies in the game. Hades and what, a cult? Anything else?

Now, list all the names still alive. Now, if you can logically deduce that someone cannot be Hades, for example, mark that next to their name.

You may not be able to solve the game completely, but your odds of victory are guaranteed to improve. The visual aid helps, trust me.

[TheLastDays]

I did that, I have my leads but it's night and I dislike talking about the next day during night phases, at least about what I'm gonna do.

The only one we can logically clear of being Hades is MRD, because Hades showed up before he ever did. MRD claims to be recruited into a cult of about 4-5 people, which is a lot, given how many townies we have left. He also claims the cult is not anti-town but he could be lying, or been lied to.

[Earthling]

No, we can't clear MRD. All robbiecon didn't do was vote, there is no indication he couldn't send in orders nor even perfect assurance that his teammates couldn't do it for him.

All we know is robbiecon got replaced for the public reason of missing votes. Nothing more. If anyone does think that strict application of such rules should be the reasoning and that the town should aim for further clarifications from the host, the first demand should perhaps be that that Blackadder be WoK'd off, because he missed the number of votes to automatically qualify. Otherwise, when we don't have a purely consistent knowledge of why and how inactive players were dealt with then we can't just rule something out, that rarely has succeeded in any game, ever, versus actively screwing towns over numerous times.

And also if not MRD, TLD would likely be the lynch tomorrow, but he's recognized that too.

[Earthling]

also, of course, there is MRD's vote today for anyone who didn't think of the ramifications. If woad&fangs doesn't flip mafia then MRD can't be just a former townie recruited to the cult, because he wouldn't have voted for his cult buddy.

If we just assume MRD is a basic cult recruit, plus w&f and random other person or two, it makes no sense they would lynch one of their own cultists rather than take any other bandwagon, including TLD whether he's town or not.

[TheLastDays]

Yes, you might have a point there. But as much as I'd love to grasp for that straw to get myself off the chopping block for another day, because I really like being alive, I doubt it. I doubt that khaan would allow a player to go publicly inactive for long enough to be replaced but still send in night orders. I doubt that he'd replace that player because, tbh, I would say, if robbiecon did that (which I don't think he did. I think he just went inactive, both publicly and "secretly") that would be unsportsmanlike behaviour.

The one thing that could have happened is that khaan allowed the other scum players to decide on Hades' moves to give them a fighting chance but I doubt that as well. It has nothing to do with MRDs behaviour, he has been acting scummy and this cult talk hasn't helped the case but I just don't think the host would act this way. Anyway, I might be wrong (again) but my current top suspect for Hades isn't MRD.

[TheLastDays]

also, of course, there is MRD's vote today for anyone who didn't think of the ramifications. If woad&fangs doesn't flip mafia then MRD can't be just a former townie recruited to the cult, because he wouldn't have voted for his cult buddy.

Another good point actually. But if we believe MRD that he's in the cult, we can also believe him that he's just bored and doesn't care about the game which is, according to what he said, the sole reason he revealed that he was in a cult in the first place.

Now bear with me, for a moment. I can believe that MRD would throw his own victory away because he doesn't want to go through the effort of catching up and thus even voting in a way that would get himself in trouble. But I can't believe that MRD would just for the heck of it betray his teammates and vote his cultbuddy, just because he doesn't care about the game.

But... if he's Hades, why did he not just accept my lynch? Why the vote for w&f when he could have simply NOT called attention to himself?

[seireikhaan]

"When they came back together in the morning, they found the evidence of last night's attack on the doorsteps of the throne room. Mainyu didn't show panic, but instead rallied for a greater energy to their activities. He wanted more fury, vengeance. His subjects took it up with more energy than previously, and it became the closest contest yet. Both woad&fangs and TheLastDays, who had been accused so many times before, were put forth as the two choices. But at the end, woad&fangs was selected during a tense tiebreaker."

"Despite his protests, he was dragged before their lord. Mainyu looked to the crowd, who had divided themselves into two very neat groups- one supporting woad, and the other against him. His face turned to an approving grin for just a second, before he accepted the sword from a kneeling servant, and ended woad&fangs before them. There was a stirring of disapproval from the crowd in woad's support.

'Excellent!' Mainyu proclaimed to them. 'Let your rage come forth! If we have erred today, solve it tonight! Struggle, fight, win! We are near the hour of victory! Pursue without relent, and we cannot fail!'

The crowd, half joyful, half confused and bitter, allowed themselves to be ushered from the chamber, each hoping the 'end' of this struggle would soon be at hand.


Woad&fangs 6 (Beskar, Major Robert Dump, johnhughthom, classical hero,TLD, warman)
TheLastDays 4 (Chaotix, Riedquat, woad&fangs, Captain Blackadder)





Alive: 11


Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman



Killed: 16

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)


Lynched: 11

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)

WoK: 3

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus

[TheLastDays]

Well, that writeup could really mean that w&f was a cultist, the crowd being split into those against and those for him... or it could simply be a reflection of today's voting situation.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not that optimistic, but I'm still concerned about glyphz who didn't bother to vote, and I've been suspecting all game long. There's any number of folks who haven't been cleared yet.

Now, Chaotix with the roleblock thing implied that woad&fangs could have been the black ooze thing, is that not correct? If woad was NOT the black ooze thing, then we do have one less suspect, making it easier to deduce who can or cannot be the black ooze killer.

I do think you have a point about waiting until the morning, but I actually rather like the cooler heads discussion without the voting involved. When there's voting involved, and persons are under pressure, it's harder for them to think rationally about who the suspects are.

I think your best deductive work will happen tonight, and I'd encourage discussion regardless. Remember, the scumbags know who they are, and they have the same other information that we do, so they're capable of deducing whatever we deduce and thensome. Not having the discussion only handicaps us, it doesn't harm them.

[Beskar]

The point is MRD could BE Hades.

Good point. Herpderp moment there from me. I took him at his word or at least trolling, it is possible for him to be Hades.

[Chaotix]

Good point. Herpderp moment there from me. I took him at his word or at least trolling, it is possible for him to be Hades.

No, not possible, unless Hades is immune to roleblocks. But if Hades is immune to roleblocks, then everything I am doing is useless, and I'd rather not believe that.


Capo III to the rescue.


Folks, make a list of the remaining baddies in the game. Hades and what, a cult? Anything else?

Now, list all the names still alive. Now, if you can logically deduce that someone cannot be Hades, for example, mark that next to their name.

You may not be able to solve the game completely, but your odds of victory are guaranteed to improve. The visual aid helps, trust me.

Already on this, ATPG. So far, I've made sure at least everyone we've been lynching is on my "not clear" list. If we have to, we can brute-force this game.

[Beskar]

I think your best deductive work will happen tonight, and I'd encourage discussion regardless. Remember, the scumbags know who they are, and they have the same other information that we do, so they're capable of deducing whatever we deduce and thensome. Not having the discussion only handicaps us, it doesn't harm them.

It gets more complicated then that, let's hypo-these that MRD is telling the truth for the moment and there are 5 cultists, it now means the game is dominated by them. It means that probably trying to get rid of certain figures in the interest of removing the Black-Ooze from the game, since after all, what do cults fear the most? Getting killed by the mafia, so they would want to eliminate those suspects and possible non-members. It would be possible for the 'town' to simply co-operate with the cult and end up at least getting a cult victory, since after all, a victory is a victory (metagaming wise), there is also the possibility that MRD is correct that the 'town' can work with the cult as well. There are other explanations like how the cult might not be able to recruit, or be of limited set numbers, or numerous explanations or might not even exist.

But one thing is clear, if MRD was correct, I doubt we will be seeing any cult lynches. One possibility would be to push a lynch on MRD since that would have to draw out cultists which might defend him. Problem is, to do this successfully, we need black-ooze guy to work with the town to remove us of the cult influence... catch-22 situation.

[Earthling]

So far, I've made sure at least everyone we've been lynching is on my "not clear" list. If we have to, we can brute-force this game.

Yeah, this is all the right call, and if someone was blocked have to assume that was effective I think, so evidence MRD is not Hades, whatever he is.

You don't need to list the full list of people blocked in public, I agree that would still aid the scum in night kills. Without it we dead people have little more to go on that's new, but that's ok, just make sure at least one other townie has the info in private.

I think there'd be at least 3 lynches until the mafia could win in any case, so brute force is rather likely. Cult/other third party with a victory surprise is up in the air but we should with any luck get the last mafia before then and then know for sure what is left to do.

My advice to anyone who is not living and has their own info and private communication - if there's anything a dead person can do to help the town and they hadn't done it so far, list who among the lynched people you think are the other three mafia. Without that, almost nobody is logically cleared of anything, there maybe are have roleblocks or a couple night action results but the living players probably shouldn't and won't post all that in thread, with it, the vote record could help.

quick edit - about the lynch writeup, I'd say we learned nothing major. Girl/grandpa don't make a conspicuous appearance again which bothers me but way too much writeup WIFOM and paranoia already.

It doesn't seem like he was mafia or like the cult leader, so maybe basic cult but that doesn't help much.

[Secura]

either 1) you're wrong about me, or 2) you have other agendas than lynching scum.

It's actually neither of those things. :3

[Death is yonder]

Depictions of when Mainyu (write-up wise) was happy/pleased etc

Night 1

"As I knew it!" Angra Mainyu boasted in the throne room the next morn. "Only one casualty last night! We may just have them on the run! Now, go at it! Bring me a scum!"

Day 2

"And so, everyone convinced of God Emperor's guilt, they sent him to kneel before their lord, several holding him down in a kneeling position," the elderly man continued. "God Emperor insisted down to the very end that he was an ordinary servant of their lord, but the mob refused to believe him, on account of his earlier escape at night. Mainyu, for his part, was actually a bit impressed with everyone for their decisiveness, and he took his sword from its sheath. With a quick stroke, he took off God Emperor's head. After that, he dismissed the group once more for the night."

Note, if it is to be assumed that God Emperor was mafia, then this proves that the write up indeed doesn't provide much headway in terms of lynching mafia.

Day 6


Turning back to his supporters, Mainyu issued them a last farewell for the night. 'Well, fortune on your hunting tonight, my soldiers! I am confident the noose is tightening still!'

Note: Renata's lynch, but contrary to one might expect from the conclusions from GE's write up, it does seem to indicate some form of guilt/success. Perhaps she was actually a SK.

Day 8


"You are not the King of this world,' Andres spat. You are a False King as well as a False God.' Enraged by his defiance, Mainyu glowed an even deeper crimson, lightning sparking in random directions. He raised his right hand, and fired a beam of red light at Andres. It hit him straight in his chest, and fired straight through. Andres immediately collapsed to the ground in a smoking heap.

'Well done, my subjects. The defiant shall learn their place, or suffer as he did. Now, back to your work. I am sure there are more still.'

Note: Another case where the lynch indicates someone not supportive of Mainyu (IE:Not Townie), which along with contextual information paints Andres to be a cultist

Day 11

'Excellent!' Mainyu proclaimed to them. 'Let your rage come forth! If we have erred today, solve it tonight! Struggle, fight, win! We are near the hour of victory! Pursue without relent, and we cannot fail!'

Note: Woad's lynch

So I know this may have seemed a bit of a long list of pointlessness, but what does it mean?

If GE is assumed to be mafia (a pretty safe assumption), then the conclusion would be that the write up only indicates 3rd party people.

Since Woad was probably a cultist, I personally find it harder to accept that MRD is a cultist.

Why?

If he is telling the truth, if there are 5-ish cultists in game at the time of his claim to whoever it was, then he just sacrificed cult dominance over the game:

5 cultists verses <6 townies that is.

Not sure what all this mentioning of Hades is about though, what's the current line of thinking about Hades? I seem to recall that under Tincow's hands last time he was a serial killer that converted people into his own cult.

Likewise, is the current hypothesis that he is the cult leader or something?


let's hypo-these that MRD is telling the truth for the moment and there are 5 cultists, it now means the game is dominated by them

If woad was lynched cultist then the game isn't dominated by them. Or at least that's how it looks like from my angle :book:

[Beskar]

Are you suggesting that the reluctance to vote for The Last Days is because of a possible cult connection?

[Zack]

Not too disappointed, woad was second my list-of-who-should-be-lynched.

TLD is still first.

[Beskar]

Not too disappointed, woad was second my list-of-who-should-be-lynched.

TLD is still first.

Same as mine, hence why I switched. I hope TLD gets stopped if he is the killer though. I doubt he could mispell "Chaotix" a second time.

[woad&fangs]

Not a cultist. Not Hades. I'm kind of upset I got lynched when I didn't have the most votes at the end of the day phase, but barring a major collapse the town should win this. Chaotix's role sounds legitimate enough that he should be allowed to live.

[Major Robert Dump]

Woad was not a cultist, he was a suspect of the cult, as is TLD as is Chaotix

Lynching me will not draw the cult out because they won't defend me, that was the whole point of me claiming, they needed someone to "tell their story" at the risk of adverse consequences, and I told the story. I love my cult. The Goddess gives really good backrubs and makes awesome chicken soup. No amount of tickling or torture will make me reveal who my fellow cultists are

PM me for super sexy conquistador roleplay talk

[Askthepizzaguy]

Woad was not a cultist, he was a suspect of the cult, as is TLD as is Chaotix

Suspect of what?


Lynching me will not draw the cult out because they won't defend me, that was the whole point of me claiming, they needed someone to "tell their story" at the risk of adverse consequences, and I told the story. I love my cult. The Goddess gives really good backrubs and makes awesome chicken soup. No amount of tickling or torture will make me reveal who my fellow cultists are

PM me for super sexy conquistador roleplay talk

Who is your best guess as to who the black ooze killer is?

Look, it's not TLD. I know that much. Who is your next suspect after that? I'm genuinely curious.

I don't really care if you're cult.

[Death is yonder]

Are you suggesting that the reluctance to vote for The Last Days is because of a possible cult connection?

I'm saying that if woad was cult, which is possible because his write up looked like third party, then it's really peculiar that MRD outed him rather than TLD if he really is a cultist, because that would mean that:

1. He outed his cult buddy
2. He sacrificed potential cult dominance of the game (with exception of mafia cooperating with town to vote)

Of course maybe this as you suggest could possibly indicate something on TLD's end but I don't know about that.

In the end all I'm saying is that the whole situation is quite weird, but I don't have an idea of what's going on so I can't really say that I can back up my suspicions with substance, merely how it looks like in public.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well MRD is admitting to being cult.

Thing is, MRD is the sort that would admit to that even if his role was innocent townie with a heart of gold.

It's rather annoying actually. :laugh4:

[TheLastDays]

I am neither in the cult nor am I Hades.I have not misspelled Chatoix. If I was Hades, I would well be able to kill those that I want to kill :tongue:

I think Blackadder is a good suspect for Hades. I don't like the sudden surge of support for Chaotix even though he was a suspect a short time ago, something there makes we wary.

[Major Robert Dump]

TLD is not in the cult.

The "suspects" are suspected of being scum. These people are listed a suspects by the cult members, who could tell me the moon was made of smack and it would be true as far as I am concerned.

I do not know who the black ooze killer is. Is this a trick question? Someone should just give me the answer. I knew this guy once who was really sick and had black ooze from his nose but I don't think it is the same guy because he died and doens't have a .org membership.

When I read the thread I actually misread and thought it was black ozzy, not blck ooze. I so dumb!

[Visor]

Beskar - Inconcievable. Suspicious.
Captain Blackadder - Not worth looking into yet.
Chaotix - Apparently worth keeping.
Classical Hero - Suspicious.
Dcmort - Gone AWOL.
Johnhughthom - SUSPICIOUS
Glyphz - Town
Major Robert Dump - I WUV YOU.
Riedquat - Suspicious
TheLastDays - Suicidal
Warman - Should already be dead, according to ordinary mafia convention. Suspcious

Riedquat and John. Lynch.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am neither in the cult nor am I Hades.I have not misspelled Chatoix.

Someone needs to sig this, Chaotix. :laugh4:

[Chaotix]

I am neither in the cult nor am I Hades.I have not misspelled Chatoix.

Are you sure about that? :laugh4:

[TheLastDays]

Finally someone likes one of my jokes :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nice save.

[Major Robert Dump]

I AM NOT ANNOYING NOR DO I HAVE A HISTORY OF MAKING FALSE CLAIMS OR TYPING IN CAPS

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Riedquat and John. Lynch.

Hey, I lasted long in ATPG's Star Wars mafia game! Doesn't make me a scumbag though.

[johnhughthom]

Hey, I lasted long in ATPG's Star Wars mafia game! Doesn't make me a scumbag though.

Ummm, wha?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ummm, wha?

See the post he was addressing and the quoted comment about warman.

When warman quoted that post, it doesn't quote the quote inside of the quote.

Don't say the word quote again.

[johnhughthom]

Oh, lazy Warman. If you shouldn't have been dead before, you should now.

[Riedquat]

Riedquat and John. Lynch.

You mean John and Riedquat, he is being suspicious with caps... ;)


Ummm, wha?

Wrong pill...

[TheLastDays]

Nice save.

Thought so too :yes:

HAHA, sorry Chaotix :wink:

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Oh, lazy Warman. If you shouldn't have been dead before, you should now.



Meanie!!

[TheLastDays]

Meanie!!

Or Scumbag! Both of you! I smell subtle distancing tactic from the cult and I dislike cults ever since I've been one myself in ATPGs game :D

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Or Scumbag! Both of you! I smell subtle distancing tactic from the cult and I dislike cults ever since I've been one myself in ATPGs game :D

Because maybe I'm not scum and don't feel like dying?

[thefluffyone93]

Inconceivable.

[Earthling]

Riedquat and John. Lynch.

I really just can't agree with that. I'd been avoiding posting my whole list due to not wanting to make townies targets but I can't see any possible other kill attempt by the mafia tonight anyway than the obvious one. And much better information than my opinion right now is the roleblock record, so keeping the mafia from finding that out is actually what matters, in case they kill one of the remaining suspects for us.

I guess I'll post my thoughts now.


Beskar - Town
Captain Blackadder - Too inactive. Likely town
Chaotix - Town
classical_hero - highly suspicious
dcmort - Too inactive. Likely town
johnhughthom - Not mafia. Probable cult, possible cult leader.
glyphz - Not mafia. Probable cult, possible cult leader.
Major Robert Dump - Pretty much guaranteed cult but evidenced to not be mafia.
Riedquat - somewhat suspicious.
TheLastDays - ridiculously suspicious. Can't see how he was ever basic town, could be something else but could easily be mafia.
Warman - highly suspicious. could be cult recruit due to Andres' lynch.

Additional comment: If the cult is not purely anti-town but neutral I'd think it's common sense to point out the mafia may have been able to infiltrate the cult amd seem like a basic recruit but they are not. Because an auto-reveal of mafia due to cult recruitment failure doesn't add up when we only had activity scans at best for the town. Also, the possibility of two competing cults reinforces this if true. So what appears to be a regular cult recruit could still be mafia, and I especially don't trust the cult's own judgment or word right now.


My advice would be block/any other useful abilties on classical or Warman, lynch the other tomorrow if no effect. TLD becomes a default lynch again if we get down to 7/6/fewer players and still haven't got Hades.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I really just can't agree with that. I'd been avoiding posting my whole list due to not wanting to make townies targets but I can't see any possible other kill attempt by the mafia tonight anyway than the obvious one. And much better information than my opinion right now is the roleblock record, so keeping the mafia from finding that out is actually what matters, in case they kill one of the remaining suspects for us.

I guess I'll post my thoughts now.



My advice would be block/any other useful abilties on classical or Warman, lynch the other tomorrow if no effect. TLD becomes a default lynch again if we get down to 7/6/fewer players and still haven't got Hades.



That's great if I was scum and if I had night abilities to be blocked....


:dizzy2: :laugh:

[dcmort93]

I'm kinda shocked that I haven't been WOK'ed by now but I should be able to see this one through. I'm not starting any new games at the moment because I've got a lot of crap on my plate but I'm still game for this one

[classical_hero]

My advice would be block/any other useful abilties on classical or Warman, lynch the other tomorrow if no effect. TLD becomes a default lynch again if we get down to 7/6/fewer players and still haven't got Hades.It is going to be a waste of time blocking me, since I don't do any thing at night. So if you think that someone should waste their ability on me, then fine.

[Choxorn]

Now, a clever man would have put the poison into his own goblet, because only a great fool would choose from the wine he was given. I am not a great fool, so I clearly cannot choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known that I wasn't a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I clearly cannot chose the wine in front of me!

(FoS: classical)

[seireikhaan]

Apologies, but tired and writer's block are hitting me. Writeup will be up in about six hours when I get up in the morning.

[Andres]

See the post he was addressing and the quoted comment about warman.

When warman quoted that post, it doesn't quote the quote inside of the quote.

Don't say the word quote again.

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[classical_hero]

This is a long 6 hour nap.. Khan must have been tired.

[seireikhaan]

This is a long 6 hour nap.. Khan must have been tired.
Long bit of work, actually. Insomnia has set in well, so writeup should be finished soon.

[classical_hero]

Well Hopefully you aren't too busy,, but take as long as you need.

[TheLastDays]

I really just can't agree with that. I'd been avoiding posting my whole list due to not wanting to make townies targets but I can't see any possible other kill attempt by the mafia tonight anyway than the obvious one. And much better information than my opinion right now is the roleblock record, so keeping the mafia from finding that out is actually what matters, in case they kill one of the remaining suspects for us.

I guess I'll post my thoughts now.



My advice would be block/any other useful abilties on classical or Warman, lynch the other tomorrow if no effect. TLD becomes a default lynch again if we get down to 7/6/fewer players and still haven't got Hades.

Finally came up with a new user title, thanks, Earthling :2thumbsup:

[TheLastDays]

My advice would be block/any other useful abilties on classical or Warman, lynch the other tomorrow if no effect. TLD becomes a default lynch again if we get down to 7/6/fewer players and still haven't got Hades.

No that's exactly the things I would avoid posting during the night. Now all the killer has to do is go inactive and we have our townie lynch tomorrow.

[classical_hero]

WEll if the town is going to waste their abilities on someone who does nothing at night, then go ahead. I will say this, I have already done what i can for the town's cause and if that means I need to get lynched, then so be it. My one time ability has been used and it has greatly affect the game.

[TheLastDays]

Well if it has been used care to let us know what you did? More information is only good for the town and if it was a one time use there's no danger the scum will kill you to get rid of your ability.

[classical_hero]

Think of one event that caused lots of discussion.

[TheLastDays]

Well there was a revival and a "recruitment" - you could go ahead and tell us what really happened, because right now you are only claiming to have done something. That helps no one, especially not your case.

[classical_hero]

I was the one that did the revival.

[Beskar]

I was the one that did the revival.

So you are Andres' scum-leader then from the other "cult" since when he got revived he lost his connection to the old cult and ended up in a new one, which he confirmed via questioning him and quite possibly the Black Ooze guy?

We we find out tonight then, but you just flagged yourself as suspect number 2 now, a position which was shared by Woad&Fangs and a few others.

[TheLastDays]

Am I still #1? :yes:

Seriously, I don't think he's Hades. Why would he come out like that? There was no pressure for him to reveal his revival and I don't think the revival was with ill intent. He might not have known that Andres had been recruited and just wanted to revive the doctor.

[classical_hero]

So you are Andres' scum-leader then from the other "cult" since when he got revived he lost his connection to the old cult and ended up in a new one, which he confirmed via questioning him and quite possibly the Black Ooze guy?

We we find out tonight then, but you just flagged yourself as suspect number 2 now, a position which was shared by Woad&Fangs and a few others.I revived him since he was defending someone. I knew nothing of the cult.

[Beskar]

I revived him since he was defending someone. I knew nothing of the cult.

But Andres was recruited by the revive and we remember what he said when lynched? It wasn't town-aligned.


Seriously, I don't think he's Hades. Why would he come out like that? There was no pressure for him to reveal his revival and I don't think the revival was with ill intent.

Well at this point, it is probably between you and him... and Warman.

[classical_hero]

You don't have a clue who the cultist is and neither do I. I know that I am not convertible due to my role. But if you must lynch me, then I am not going to put up a fight. Their are much better targets than me to go after.

[Beskar]

You don't have a clue who the cultist is and neither do I. I know that I am not convertible due to my role. But if you must lynch me, then I am not going to put up a fight. Their are much better targets than me to go after.

That's a curious statement.

[classical_hero]

Well I am making an assumption that since I am not human I can't be converted to the cult and if they were gong to, then all this suspicion would render it pointless in the extreme. Well I am Hekate.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I just hope I survive labor day in this game.

:yes:

[seireikhaan]

With the sun finally set, TheLastDays wound his way home. With so many lost, he was almost at a loss of what to do. But he had his garden, at least, planted in borrowed loam. He always enjoyed the contrast of its colors against Babylon's sandy hue. He made his way to the back, with a small pot of water. His poor plants had started to wither of late. He'd neglected them a bit amidst all the slaughter. He realized he needed to help them avoid his own potentially tragic fate. As he gave them their nourishment, he broke into song. He sang of the tragedy of all those who fell. He sung his hope that their choice hadn't been wrong. He sang of how hoped that all would end well.

But in the darkness, he soon saw a flame. It came from the alley, from darkest shade. "My goodness," he spoke. "Is this the one engaged in Mainyu's game?" As if to respond, he heard the unsheathing of a blade.

"It is finally time," a figure spoke. "For you to cease this bothersome life. That I have to kill you is almost a joke, as so many consider you the source of this strife." And so, it raised both hands to the sky. A great inferno came from his hands. "Now, The Last Days," it spoke. "You shall die. No more shall you interrupt my plans."

And so, a great flame scorched the land. The blast was so wide the attacker needn't even aim. TLD's great garden would soon be nothing but sand, as he, the plants, and the house were all torched the same.





Alive: 10


Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
Warman



Killed: 17

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)
TheLastDays (N12)


Lynched: 11

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)

WoK: 3

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus

[Riedquat]

:inquisitive: What the ..... :dizzy2:

TLD committed suicide? This has no sense....

[TheLastDays]

Eat. This. Earthling.

I like the writeup, Mr. Host, Sir :yes: :2thumbsup:

But I won't shut up Mr. Hades, scummyboy. I'm still standing! Yeah, yeah, yeah!

Who was blocked tonight?

[TheLastDays]

:inquisitive: What the ..... :dizzy2:

TLD committed suicide? This has no sense....

eh? What suicide are you talking about?

EDIT: sorry, khaan :sweatdrop:

[Beskar]

I am going to be honest here... vote: Warman

I cannot believe it ended up like this.

[Beskar]

Forget that vote, I forgot that Glyphz was still alive. unvote; vote: Glyphz

Edit: The Killer did a big mistake of killing TLD, really big one.

But Chaotix.. why has no one attacked you yet?

[TheLastDays]

Now let me make a slight suggestion: Do not underestimate the killer. He had his reasons to kill me, I'm sure of that. What that means, I'm not sure but it's something to keep in mind. Now it would do good to analyze votings and other stuff again with the knowledge that TLD =/= scum

[Beskar]

Actually, Chaotix was meant to be roleblocking you last night...

Chaotix could have killed you to explain away how his roleblock failed when he was infact the killer and obviously the roleblock failed since you got killed either way.

I am going to ask CH something, and depending on his response, I might change my vote to you Chaotix.

On that note, I would like everyone you roleblocked and on what night, you can pm this if you like, but I would like to know if you are a Roleblocker who did you do and when. As Pizza said, the information will only help the town at this point.

According to MRD, the cult now owns half the town (5 people), and controls the vote as well mainly. He swears that the cult is town aligned in the sense they need to kill both the killers. He also said both Andres and Renata were unrecruitable, and they are pretty much confirmed scum. This is why I have a HoS on you Chaotix, I hope you understand.

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Glyphz

[Earthling]

First recommendation:

If you think you should lynch glyphz over general other candidate, you should lynch johnhughthom instead. Every possible reason for being mafia (Hades) goes for both of them, you have to assume Renata was not mafia, roleblocks haven't mattered, etc... with the added fact that if either is a cultist instead, john is more likely the cult leader. Glyphz was too suicidal to be anything but a cult recruit.

classical's claim makes sense, it would be great if you could describe if you're town or not and what your other goals are if not. imo the claim should have happened way earlier, at least in private, but with no counterclaim it's pretty solid looking for him. If you're responsible for any other events in the writeups beside the revive, classical, the town ought to know too.

So I'd say MRD is still a good lynch or Warman is as well, depending on what we hear from Chaotix. I wouldn't rule out the possibility Hades is roleblock immune for the same reason he could kill through protection - he gained more power on being the last mafia standing.

It was a really bad decision by Hades there, that was a surprise, he might be purposefully trying to kill the cult leader is the only thing I can imagine, the past couple nights.

[TheLastDays]

It was a really bad decision by Hades there, that was a surprise, he might be purposefully trying to kill the cult leader is the only thing I can imagine, the past couple nights.

Well if that is so, he failed miserably :laugh4: I was vanilla at the start, I was vanilla in between and I died vanilla. I want some vanilla ice cream now.

So, I was wrong about you, Earthling, you were wrong about me, guess we're even.

Anyway, Hades, we're not even, not at all. Killing me, well this is a Mafia game after all, so fair enough but destroying my garden?!
You will hang from the highest tower of Babylon for that. And I recall them bulding one that was quite high there.

More analysis later. Don't care if the cult wins this now. Gotta lynch Hades.

[Riedquat]

eh? What suicide are you talking about?

:P Just a bad joke TLD; killing Choxorn over Chaotix was odd, but killing you at this stage? This must enter the annals of weirdness...

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Vote: Glyphz


I personally got nothing to hide. So, if you all decide to vote for me and waste a vote then argue amongst yourself over who is the scum (like I remember in one or two mafia games when I got lynched where people thought I was scum but I was townie), go ahead. Otherwise, lets vote for the real suspects and leave my goofy posts that I posted for fun out of it.

Down with the scum!:clown:

:clown:

[Earthling]

The clearly best explanation is that Hades has already become a member of the cult, and hopes to ride out a few days of killings/lynchings where the cult thinks they are accomplishing something, and then have them implode. I've not seen anyone post a shred of reasoning otherwise, that we should assume Hades can't be a fake recruit if the cult is not fully-anti town.

Though it is possible it still is some lurker/outsider like Warman, dcmort, or Blackadder who was just Hades all along.

I'm really thinking the best option for today is for every single townie to vote MRD. See if he's actually got cult buddies to back him up, and he could still be Hades. Even if the vote gets tied we go into a deadlock that no one will break, and force their hands, and maybe even Hades' depending on his status regarding the cult.

[Beskar]

Actually, I just came across some information, Classical Hero was recruited last night and above we saw..

Well I am making an assumption that since I am not human I can't be converted to the cult and if they were gong to, then all this suspicion would render it pointless in the extreme. Well I am Hekate.

Assuming CH is telling the truth and since Chaotix is not Angra Mainyu since the cult are after him...

unvote: vote: Chaotix

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

UnVote: Glyphz

Vote:Captain Blackadder

[johnhughthom]

unvote, Vote: Chaotix

[TheLastDays]

glyphz is not cult leader or Hades unless their goal is to get themselves lynched. His voting record is too suicidal for scum

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

glyphz is not cult leader or Hades unless their goal is to get themselves lynched. His voting record is too suicidal for scum

I myself just realized a few things to point to why glyphz can't be scum.


Unvote:Captain Blackadder

Vote: Chaotix

[Beskar]

Explanation for my voting.

It was clear Chaotix was a suspect and with the cult unable to recruit him (thanks to MRD for the reveal) he was worried for his own personal safety. The cult suspected him since their previous two attempts to influence mafia (Renata and Andres). So Chaotix claims roleblocker which makes him pro-town. Since the Cult confess they are against the mafia and worried they might be killed off, having a roleblocker around to stop their biggest enemy (cue: Night Killer), it is easy enough for them to back off. With the explanation there are gods working for the town, the cult buys the "it is because I am a power role" (sic) and so do the town, since well, it sort of makes sense.

However, with Classical_Hero a confessed god now recruited by the cult apparently, this changes this argument entirely. Since the "cult" was able to recruit him. This means that "being a god" isn't an explanation, however, the original of "Cult cannot recruit scum" would still be a valid conclusion.

Chaotix has been making some weird role blocking choices the last couple of nights, none of them against The Last Days, our number 1 suspect and also "his". Which is very weird in itself and now on the night Chaotix is meant to actually roleblock him, he dies, which makes no sense at all for any actual mafia other than Chaotix himself.

Also, why hasn't the mafia attempted to kill Chaotix?! Why oh why.. he has been looking "innocent" so he wouldn't have been lynched and a roleblocker would be a massive threat to them, it is mindboggling makes no sense.

In short, there are many different factors which contribute to this argument, too many for "reasonable doubt" to be applied. Thus, Chaotix should be lynched.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I edited my prior voting post by accident and I want it count,so here it is.

Unvote:Captain Blackadder

Vote: Chaotix

[Earthling]

Chaotix is the worst possible lynch for the town. He's clearly not Hades unless the cult is purely anti-town, and still not a good reason to think he's Hades for sure then, which is a case where we auto-lose anyway so so rather not go with that. Even a random wagon on someone unknown like Warman is better, if it only wastes a day.

But I'd recommend MRD if we can get him. That's the best possible way for people to show that they are townies, it would vastly narrow down our pool of suspects, assuming Hades is not part of the cult, or break the cult and ruin Hades' scheme if he is.

[Beskar]

I also appeal to those in the cult to make sure this lynch occurs, obviously your biggest threat is the night killer and if you are telling the truth, then you would clearly want to stop them in their tracks and prove to us you want to work with the town like you say so.

[Earthling]

Beskar, zero of what you are saying is making sense. Andres was not with the main mafia group. classical_hero didn't say he was converted. You're contradicting your own very recent vote and reasoning on glyphz.

Plus your belief that Angra Mainyu is a player is really shoddy.

Are you a cultist perhaps?

[Riedquat]

Why haven't you been attacked Chaotix? that is the big question...

Vote: Chaotix

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Chaotix is the worst possible lynch for the town. He's clearly not Hades unless the cult is purely anti-town, and still not a good reason to think he's Hades for sure then, which is a case where we auto-lose anyway so so rather not go with that. Even a random wagon on someone unknown like Warman is better, if it only wastes a day.

But I'd recommend MRD if we can get him. That's the best possible way for people to show that they are townies, it would vastly narrow down our pool of suspects, assuming Hades is not part of the cult, or break the cult and ruin Hades' scheme if he is.

So you want to waste a vote on a non-scum like me yet..... Chaotix is OK?

:dizzy2:

[Earthling]

There is no evidence at all of what you are Warman, is what it is. If you are a townie, it's a bad lynch, but have to go somewhere, especially if other lurker-unknowns like Blackadder or dcmort had scans or blocks as evidence on them.

Chaotix is not Hades.

So townies should lynch MRD as he's our only sure option. Sure, all those not voting him will be cult but that's ok, hopefully town can still win the lynch and the next night should clear up any confusion for anyone.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

There is no evidence at all of what you are Warman, is what it is. If you are a townie, it's a bad lynch, but have to go somewhere, especially if other lurker-unknowns like Blackadder or dcmort had scans or blocks as evidence on them.

Chaotix is not Hades.

So townies should lynch MRD as he's our only sure option. Sure, all those not voting him will be cult but that's ok, hopefully town can still win the lynch and the next night should clear up any confusion for anyone.


Well I know what I am, is what it is. Do you have any proof Chaotix is not Hades, if so, please enlighten me since I don't read (don't got the time or the energy to read 50 posts a day in one thread) every post in this game.

[Earthling]

Do you have any proof Chaotix is not Hades

Yes, he's a town-aligned roleblocker, the god Janus.

Beskar has lied to the town multiple times, today and a couple of other recent instances, he's probably part of the cult by now too (which makes sense, that they would recruit active players before the inactive ones).

Nevertheless townies should still be able to vote, and should vote MRD.

[Beskar]

There is indications of both a Fire guy and a Black Ooze guy, we might be looking at two possible killers, not simply one.

I think the cult is telling the truth about their alignment themselves, none of their dead members have ever turned up as being scum in the write-ups and the ones they accused of being scum have turned up as scum. Apparently Askthepizzaguy, Andres (first time), Death is Yonder and others who have been killed were all cultists. All their write-ups have indicated of them actually being town. According to them as well, recruited members retain their normal victory conditions (getting rid of the mafia), it is sort of a "recruited pro town network" as it were.

People they have failed was Renata and Andres (second time), both of these turned up as scum in the write-ups. With what Classical_Hero being a 'god' and was recruited, in comparison to Chaotix, that casts a big figure on Chaotix's true alignment.

Since the cult is looking for Angra Mainyu as well, Chaotix wouldn't obviously be him and Chaotix has claimed to be some one else. All in short - There is a very strong possibility Chaotix is not town aligned and scum of some sort.

As for cults? Bring on the cult overlord, the worst that could happen is that I get night killed before I end up recruited into the winning side if the cult truly are not town aligned.

[TheLastDays]

Well, what the cult says doesn't make sense either.

Let's take the case of Andres. He was a town aligned roleblocker and then got recruited to cult A - killed - revived as town - recruted during the revival or after? - to cult B? - so which cult wasn't able to recruit him? How many cults are there? What if there is no cult at all and MRD is making all this up in his sick head? I'm willing to put this to a test and lynch MRD.

@ Beskar: classical claimed to have been recruited? Do we have evidence on this? If so, where does it come from? MRD?

[TheLastDays]

Nah fire guy and black ooze killer are the same.

Whast you're saying makes little to no sense, Beskar.

[Earthling]

Let's break all this down. This is absurd Beskar, it's hard to believe you're really coming up with this as a townie.


All their write-ups have indicated of them actually being town.


Clearly false. Pizza's writeup indicates he's not a townie, if it indicates anything, indeed all along it's been on top of the list of possible neutral writeups, it also happens to be similar to fluffy's but matches neither town nor scum writeups.



People they have failed was Renata and Andres (second time), both of these turned up as scum in the write-ups.


This is an obvious lie. You can't possibly believe Andres was actually mafia yet you keep saying it. If you do believe Andres was mafia, then why not vote for classical, who revived a mafia and just lied to the town about who he was.



With what Classical_Hero being a 'god' and was recruited, in comparison to Chaotix, that casts a big figure on Chaotix's true alignment.


classical here just said today that he was not part of the cult. Not going to pursue the people (cultists) obviously lying about their roles? So are you just letting them lie to you or are you just with them?



Since the cult is looking for Angra Mainyu as well


There is zero evidence of this. Where are you getting this from, if your role was always a basic townie?

[Beskar]

@ Beskar: classical claimed to have been recruited? Do we have evidence on this? If so, where does it come from? MRD?

The Cult recruited Andres near the beginning, for reasons unknown to them at the time, Andres died. Andres claimed later he had an ability but he didn't know who the Cult recruiter was, so didn't protect them, but GH instead.

When Andres got revived, he was no longer under control of the Cult. Obviously, the cult attempted to recruit him asap (the whole he could reveal everything) but that failed for reasons unknown. Later when Andres was lynched, he was saying Angra Mainyu was a false leader, etc. Obviously between there, Andres ended up recruited into a different faction.

As for my explanations, they make perfect sense, how don't they make sense to you?

The cult claimed privately they recruited Classical_Hero, and I am sure if Classical_Hero wants to get mafia killed, he will reveal this himself.

[Earthling]

As for my explanations, they make perfect sense, how don't they make sense to you?

The cult claimed privately they recruited Classical_Hero, and I am sure if Classical_Hero wants to get mafia killed, he will reveal this himself.

So you're just being obviously lied to.

For one, it's impossible for Andres to be mafia. He died blocking an attack from the mafia after all.

What is clearly possible is he was some rival neutral/second-cult/anti-cult group. You're being lied to by the cult.

It makes no sense from a game balance perspective that a cult with massive recruiting capabilities can just catch all the mafia.

What makes far more sense, if the cult is neutral and their goal was to defeat some other neutrals, is that mafia could just be converted by the cult themselves and look like regular recruits. Doesn't change the cult/neutral conflicts and doesn't change the mafia/town status.

Or if the cult is anti-town, then it makes sense that they can't recruit the mafia, but then we LOSE to the cult if we don't do something, so worth a lynch today if that's the case.

Lynch MRD.

[Beskar]

This is an obvious lie. You can't possibly believe Andres was actually mafia yet you keep saying it. If you do believe Andres was mafia, then why not vote for classical, who revived a mafia and just lied to the town about who he was.

Because he was recruited by the cult last night, according to their sources.


classical here just said today that he was not part of the cult.
He also said he couldn't be recruited, or so he thought so because he was a god. Well, they just recruited him... which throws the theory that stopped Chaotix being lynched into the hot water, since the only way he survived is because the cult willed it, simply because they thought that argument had theory, and since their biggest threat is the night attacker..


There is zero evidence of this. Where are you getting this from, if your role was always a basic townie?
Why would the cult make up finding Angra Mainyu ? You could question their motivates, for example "They want to kill him" opposed to their version that Ishtar wants to make herself his consort.


Either way, you are completely forgetting the other arguments, there was no reason ever that Chaotix was going to be lynched, with you and the cult and other theories which kept him alive. During this time, the "mafia" purposefully kept Chaotix alive... for what reason, why wouldn't the mafia have killed Chaotix straight away? If I was the mafia, I would have killed Chaotix that night or have attempted to, the roleblocker would be a terrible threat and due to me and Chaotix's history, I wouldn't be surprised if he spammed roleblock on me. Also, another very important point, Chaotix hasn't actually roleblocked anyone, there is no account of it ever occuring, plus he hasn't gone for suspect number 1 for 3 nights running and the night TLD is meant to get roleblocked, he gets killed. Only way to explain it would be the argument of accountability, since if TLD is roleblocked, he would be cleared of being "mafia", since he is now "cleared" no one would persue him.

In short, it was coming to the stage where it is either TLD is the mafia or we have overlooked something big. With TLD dead, we have seriously overlooked something. Since the Cult desperately wants the night killer dead themselves for obvious reasons, why not simply work with the cult and stop the mafia ? If the mafia is stopped, the cult could easily recruit everyone else anyway so they would get a victory regardless.

As statistical man Romanic says "It is the Win that counts". Either get recruited and win, or end up dead in the morning? Both are not the best choice, but hey, I rather be a winner than a loser.

[Beskar]

For one, it's impossible for Andres to be mafia. He died blocking an attack from the mafia after all.

You mean during the time Andres was a cultist working for Ishtar, and not the 2nd time where he wasn't working for Ishtar and in the write-up confessed to being scum by insulting Angra Mainyu ? You need to correct your facts a little.


You're being lied to by the cult.
Doubtful, especially if you follow your theory that I am recruited into the cult, and if I was recruited, I would know this information as fact... which eitherway, supports what I am saying, I don't think the cult has any reason to lie about who the night killer is. They want the night killer as dead as us, for different reasons, maybe, but still the same goal.


It makes no sense from a game balance perspective that a cult with massive recruiting capabilities can just catch all the mafia.
The cult started off as one person, the recruiter. That person would have to survive late into the game and some how survive being lynched, being night killed, being roleblocked and dealing with people for example Andres, who became recruited and could tell everyone who the cultists were. The fact they say they only got 50% of the vote now and lconfessed to members of theirs who have died (Andres, Pizza, DIY, etc) and failed recruiting (Renata, Andres(2), Chaotix) and you can see easily how a cult is kept in check, especially as they don't really have any power roles of themselves.


What makes far more sense, if the cult is neutral and their goal was to defeat some other neutrals, is that mafia could just be converted by the cult themselves and look like regular recruits. Doesn't change the cult/neutral conflicts and doesn't change the mafia/town status.

Their goal is to kill the mafia since the gods of heaven and hell hate Ishtar, which means Ishtar has to stay alive in the mortal plane. With the vision of Angra's future, she is attempting to align herself to Angra for her own survival. This is why they are stating they want Angra Mainyu, as she wants to "sleep with him" and align herself with his cause by becoming his consort. Thus they have to find Angra before he dies and thus survive till the end of the game. Difficult task!


Lynch MRD.

Chaotix said he roleblocked MRD and nothing happened. Also MRD said himself he is the voice of the cult. In otherways, either way you look at it, it is pretty much a waste of a lynch. It would make more sense to kill a non-cultist then MRD, which in turn makes it more sense to lynch Chaotix than a non-cultist due to the overall scumming I have posted.

[Earthling]

Beskar, you clearly haven't thought anything through at all. Or you're not town and just playing a fun little cultist here, but let's go with thinking caps.

Forget the fact that you're purposefully trying to lynch a townie power role for no reason, and that it's completely unrealistic for Chaotix to have committed the recent night kills if he's scum.

Let's just start with another question on why you're not lynching other people- why should you assume all cultists are clear of being mafia?

Take Andres. Andres was not town by your own statements, yet recruited by the cult. This is clear proof that scum roles could be recruited by this cult, given your own beliefs. Of course you could personally believe something crazy like Andres was with the main mafia group...but then you'd be lynching classical_hero, right? And it still means the cult could recruit scum. There is no evidence of the cult ever recruiting a town power role and that still makes sense.

Also, why would a mafia godfather able to kill through protection be caught out by simple cult recruitment?

Hades being already part of the cult is easily the best theory we have, and it explains all the kills plus relying on sheepish cultist votes to eliminate people like Chaotix.

[Earthling]

You mean during the time Andres was a cultist working for Ishtar, and not the 2nd time where he wasn't working for Ishtar and in the write-up confessed to being scum by insulting Angra Mainyu ? You need to correct your facts a little.


You're flat out lying, if you're going to be like that hopefully real townies can see through it.

How was Andres with the main mafia group? He got revived by classical, is that your explanation?

And Chaotix voted for him, so he's clearly not mafia by your own logic.

[Choxorn]

Doubtful, especially if you follow your theory that I am recruited into the cult, and if I was recruited, I would know this information as fact... which eitherway, supports what I am saying, I don't think the cult has any reason to lie about who the night killer is. They want the night killer as dead as us, for different reasons, maybe, but still the same goal.

There is, of course, the alternate theory, that you're a cult member and you're just lying your pants off to obfuscate that and get Chaotix killed so you can win.

I find that one to be the most likely, seeing as how if most of what you and MRD are saying is true, you're so obviously a cultist it's not even funny.

[Beskar]

Forget the fact that you're purposefully trying to lynch a townie power role for no reason, and that it's completely unrealistic for Chaotix to have committed the recent night kills if he's scum.

False, it is not completely unrealistic. How? Where?

If anything, the evidence highly suggests the opposite, that he is indeed behind the night actions.


Let's just start with another question on why you're not lynching other people- why should you assume all cultists are clear of being mafia?

The cultists have the motive to kill the mafia, therefore, they would cooperate in getting rid of a mutual enemy. They wouldn't waste their times trying to kill a roleblock with a lynch, a roleblocker isn't a threat to the cultists, they control half the town. What is a threat is a night killer, so if the cultists change their tune suddenly because of them recruiting classical_hero, it makes sense for them to go after chaotix so suddenly.


Take Andres. Andres was not town by your own statements, yet recruited by the cult. This is clear proof that scum roles could be recruited by this cult, given your own beliefs.
No, Andres started the game as a town aligned, that changed after he was revived and also no longer part of the cult. Which is especially strange considering when the cult could no longer recruit him, he turned out to have became scum. Therefore, cult recruitment has a scum indicator on it. Obviously, a normal townie would go "So you failed to recruit him.. omg you are cult scumz, lynch him!" therefore a cult leader wouldn't go public with this information. Also, the cult couldn't recruit Renata either who was also scum. So two scum people were not recruit-able. Now we ended up with Chaotix and I already typed that argument 3 to 4 times already.


Hades being already part of the cult is easily the best theory we have, and it explains all the kills plus relying on sheepish cultist votes to eliminate people like Chaotix.

No it wouldn't, even if the mafia was involved with the cult, they would want Chaotix dead asap as he isn't part of the cult and thus still a big threat to them.


You're flat out lying, if you're going to be like that hopefully real townies can see through it..

I am not lying at all. It is simply that you have an alternative agenda in defending Chaotix, most likely incorrect and mistaken loyalty.

[Beskar]

There is, of course, the alternate theory, that you're a cult member and you're just lying your pants off to obfuscate that and get Chaotix killed so you can win.

You really want to know the real kicker? The cult would then by your theory control the vote anyway, so the "town" if the cult was really anti-town aligned has already lost and I am just making valid arguments on who the scum are for giggles and we can just make silent votes with no explanation just to screw with you.

However, I digress, I don't need to lie to get Chaotix lynched, the truth of him being scum is enough. :shrug:

[Choxorn]

My point being: You, MRD, and a couple of others are cultists who either have almost won or have already won, and can't win unless Chaotix dies first.

[Chaotix]

Err... what?

Beskar, I did block TLD last night. Problem was, we both alluded to it in the thread that he was going to be my target. Hades must have caught on to this, and that's why he killed him.

It's a rather effective and annoying way of keeping me from making progress on my innocents list. Hades guessed correctly that I was going to roleblock TLD- obviously we know now that TLD is not mafia, and Hades knew that, too. So as soon as khaan came in with that write-up, whether TLD was dead or not, there would have been a kill, and I would have been able to clear TLD by that. So since TLD would no longer be lynchbait... he was killed off.

As for why I haven't been attacked yet- obviously Hades is right in assuming that you guys are going to lynch me anyway, so maybe he thinks he doesn't have to. Alternately, I mentioned there's a doctor protecting me. So perhaps he thinks he's not going to be able to kill through another protection.

Stop being so paranoid.

TLD was the number one suspect, and he's cleared now. There are several other players who are cleared of being Hades by my roleblocks- classical_hero is one of them, so while he may or may not be a cultist, he's not a useful lynch right now.

johnhughthom is pretty obviously acting like the cult leader right now, what with constantly wanting me dead. It fits in with what MRD said. We get rid of him, it's likely the cult will dissolve/stop growing.

glyphz was blocked three times early in the game, all before Hades showed up and started killing. Therefore I deem him a possible and likely suspect.

Vote: glyphz

This is my vote right now. I am going to do some searching and see if it changes.

[Beskar]

My point being: You, MRD, and a couple of others are cultists who either have almost won or have already won, and can't win unless Chaotix dies first.

Because he is the ooze/flame guy going around night killing? Obviously I would want him dead if he is the mafia? :laugh4:


Stop being so paranoid.

It is a mafia game, I cannot help it. :cry:

[Earthling]

It's impossible for Chaotix to be Hades. If you people are going to listen to pizza, who was a dead nobody at best, and the cult actually claiming he was a dead cultist so not even town, listen to dead townies too.

johnhughthom is an acceptable shot at really getting the cult leader but the problem is he's just not mafia so it could be wasted lynch in that sense, while there's an outside shot with MRD of being another scum under the crunchy cultist exterior.

[Earthling]

Chaotix, as it's looking like Beskar got recruited by the cult at some recent point, if you told him your roleblock plans he probably shared them with the rest of the cult.

Then Hades, if he's a member of the cult, found that out that way. So hopefully that could be avoided again.

And it really is looking like Hades is with the cult, raw chance at least is favorable, and the claim is the cult recruits don't even get their identities revealed or victory conditions affected, so Hades is probably some assumed nobody recruit who has been riding out the cult crusade to eliminate people the whole time.

I actually believe the cult is not anti-town, in the sense that the only reason they matter is for the cult leader's victory condition and defeating other neutrals somehow, plus Andres and GH and the possibility of just a rival cult group, but then it's especially likely Hades could just pretend to be a cult recruit.

[Beskar]

Chaotix, as it's looking like Beskar got recruited by the cult at some recent point, if you told him your roleblock plans he probably shared them with the rest of the cult.

Then Hades, if he's a member of the cult, found that out that way. So hopefully that could be avoided again.

Chaotix posted it in thread, but still. Hades (can we even confirm that? as pizza said) could apparently kill through protection as well, why would they be worried about Chaotix possibly having protection?

Even then, I wanted TLD being roleblocked as I thought he was the killer. :shrug:

[Chaotix]

:shrug:

I have no idea. Could have been a number of things. Maybe the kill-through-protection was a one-time thing only to keep him from being overpowered. Maybe Earthling was an imperfect doctor to begin with, or became imperfect over time, maybe ALL doctors are imperfect.

Maybe it's a combination of that and the mafia thinking they'd be able to frame me successfully, what with the cult also out for my head during the past three or four lynch votes.

[Beskar]

I don't think the cult has been trying to lynch you over the last few rounds. Only in that round where I possibly did because I did suspect you then but I changed my vote since it seemed the most sensible option.

However, a lot of the arguments underpinning my vote change well.. have collapsed.

If you end up getting lynched off and you are not the mafia, you have my reassurance that these arguments and me voting for you is purely based on the fact I am suspecting you of being the killer. There is no other "motives" involved in that decision. If I was working for the cult and I thought you was a roleblocker, I would have told them to leave you in the game because a roleblocker would have been very effective against the night killer or sounds like it would be.

and when I typed that, I just realised something...

You said he can kill through protection right? What is to say he cannot kill through a roleblock? :wall:

[Chaotix]

That would be so powerful as to be game breaking, but however unlikely it is possible. That would render my role all but useless then- only good for catching lesser scums or cultists I guess? I think it's unlikely.

What I do think is likely, though, is if I tried to roleblock him and he tried to kill me at the same time, the kill would win out (assuming I was unprotected). So you can assume that when I find the right suspect, if Hades knows about... I will be attacked at the very least.

[Earthling]

What is to say he cannot kill through a roleblock? :wall:

I already said that was easily possible, you just must not have read it.

edit- Chaotix, the thing is it was probably not along. The possible explanation is Hades (and it's true, we have no reason to know for sure the role is Hades but we're killing him that) gained more power upon being the last mafia left

If you are not personally part of the cult you have no reason to vote Chaotix here. There's no real evidence against him.

In fact, if Hades isn't part of the cult at all, he has to kill another cultist tonight no matter what given their numbers, or else he automatically loses. Looking at the last kills in light of that you should reach the right conclusion. It should still be even more obvious soon whether he's been in the cult the whole time and we don't need to help him along. An even worse reason to attempt a lynch of Chaotix now, but someone like MRD or Warman could work.

[Beskar]

If you are not personally part of the cult you have no reason to vote Chaotix here. There's no real evidence against him.

That's not true, there is evidence against him, but it is mostly all suspect, and that is how a mafia game works. The problem is, there is more case against Chaotix than anyone else, you could just say "Vote off Warman, he isn't a good player" but then that is not really a real reason for him to be scum, it is a case of "Chaotix is the better player".

And Chaotix is a very good player, he would be very smart if he is scum. He would know what was against him, or a good idea and he knows how to play it into his advantage. My argument against him is more based on what a player at his skill level would do in his situation, he would be very crafty and my argument against him is based on his ruthlessness and intelligence, sort of a "If I was in Chaotix's position, what would I do?".

There would be no way to ever find out Chaotix is truely pro-town and same for him being mafia either, he is not a bad player and there is nothing in the game which would prove him for what he is or what he isn't.

Fact is, there is a great bunch of circumstances which are pointing it at being towards Chaotix. You might struggle to see it, I cannot really help you understand my logic more than I already said, I am not as eloquent as some one like AskthePizzaGuy.

If I am wrong, I am wrong. I cannot really change that, but i am completely oblivious to who else it could realistically be. At last hours before the write-up, I was "The Last Days" as my number 1, and "Classical_Hero" as my number 2, since having two pro-town's at this point might be a bit fishy. What made it swap to Chaotix is how Classical was adamant he was a power-role, the reviver and couldn't be recruited because he is a 'god'. Being honest, I don't know if he is or not, but assume that he was telling the truth at that moment of time, then he ends up recruited by the cult, this changes the situation.

Only people so far who couldn't be recruited were two confirmed scums. Chaotix is a third one which couldn't, but the argument was is was a god. Now Classical_Hero, another God got recruited by the cult...

I think we can easily do it this way, the cult would obviously be reading this, so if I am incorrect, I am sure they will pull-rank on Classical_Hero and kill him off as well. Then with both of them missing, we end up playing the game of "Lets randomly lynch people till the scum is dead".

[Earthling]

The problem is, there is more case against Chaotix than anyone else

There are people still alive who defended and placed votes to support known scum God Emperor and very likely scum Renata. That's better evidence.


"If I was in Chaotix's position, what would I do?".

If he was scum, he certainly wouldn't kill off suspicious townies and guarantee he automatically gets lynched by the cult. How can you possibly think Hades is a complete outsider who cannot infiltrate the cult? If Hades was not already a member of the cult, he would be killing cultists which would be his only way to avoid an automatic loss.


Only people so far who couldn't be recruited were two confirmed scums.

The problem is this isn't true. One of them at least was clearly a neutral who only opposed this cult in an independent way.


Then with both of them missing, we end up playing the game of "Lets randomly lynch people till the scum is dead".

Yes, and it's insane to purposefully kill off townies first so you can then start that game. woad&fangs lynch was bad enough as he did kinda imply he was cult himself but townies need to place useful votes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Aren't you glad you didn't lynch TLD now?

I'm just happy I wasn't wasting my breath.

Get Hades, or else I'll be really upset with yall.

[Earthling]

Every indication is that lynching woad&fangs was worse, and several other past lynches it would have been better to have another townie not die in place of TLD.

The cult is claiming you were a cultist, any thoughts on that?

If Chaotix is lynched today any townies left might as well give up and lynch randomly, they won't have the votes to prevent the cult's failed voting strategy against Hades nor any further evidence to go on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Every indication is that lynching woad&fangs was worse, and several other past lynches it would have been better to have another townie not die in place of TLD.

He's dead now. So that just saved you from lynching him, and it spared everyone else who was more valuable to the town.

You lost this point. This point is MINE.


The cult is claiming you were a cultist, any thoughts on that?

Sure, I have thoughts on that. Except I'm dead.

My loyalty has always been to the town. Revive me and I'll say more. Otherwise, leave me dead. I've said everything I know of which will assist the town. All I had info on was TLD, he's dead now. Therefore I have no further info, and I've saved you from one terrible lynch.

I've done my duty to the town. Now you guys must lynch Hades.

Further debate about myself and TLD is pointless, focus on Hades.

[Major Robert Dump]

How did I go from being a not possibly a suspect due to the timing of my replacement (i.e. the killings happened before I arrived) to suddenly being mentioned in every single Earthlink post on this page? It's creeping me out, I think I am being stalked. Robbie was not voting, and since he was a vanilla townie, he was also not participating in night ctions, so depsite a few posts, he was not active in the game. GO AWAY

Yeah, the cult could be mistaken. There could be a killer amongst us, I suppose, but there are also enough of us that we will police ourselves and root out the killer if and when that time comes. My goal, according to my cult PM, is to eliminate the mafia and keep the cult alive. Whether or not the leader has another goal, I do not know, other than the one where she is supposed to breed with a special character I mentioned earlier to which people responded "nice try."

So for now, I am voting the one person my dear leader says is unrecruitable, and that be vote: Chaotix.

[Earthling]

Further debate about myself and TLD is pointless, focus on Hades.

If TLD was lynched and anyone else killed at night than w&f or Chaotix, the town would be better off. Losing woad&fangs as a townie was absolutely worse than lynching TLD would have been.

Knowing what you were is important to determining what the writeups indicate. Your death showed you were not a townie, if you were cult it helps us determine who else was cult based on independent evidence.

Chaotix is not Hades and the evidence for that is better than any evidence you ever had about anyone. So get talking to people about that if you really want people to pursue Hades.

[Beskar]

The cult claims all members retain their normal victory conditions, such townies are still townies, as the cults victory conditions (get rid of the mafia, etc) is the same as the towns. So Pizza invited to the cult would still retain his township, and thus, he would still be working in the interests of the town regardless of that.

Edit:
Major Robert Dump gave us more information on that here:

My goal, according to my cult PM, is to eliminate the mafia and keep the cult alive.

[classical_hero]

Up until now my loyalities have been with the Town, but that changed last night when I got recruited by the cult. So Beskar does have god info, so that makes him less of a target. Since he is not recruitable, it does not look good for him. vote:Chaotix

[Earthling]

The cult claims all members retain their normal victory conditions

Yeah, MRD's post literally just contradicted that.

I get that cultists are going to vote with the cult. They think they have little to lose, and they're probably wrong, but it makes sense. When it gets down to 4 or 5 people left and Hades was one of the members of their cult all along they at least have another lynch or so to have a chance at it.

What is a terrible move at this point is townies going along with the cult. That cuts down on our chances of winning in every single way, and not all of you can be converted by the cult in time if that's what you're hoping for. It's like folding a pair of aces because the other guy might have a straight draw.

It could turn out to be a winning move if Hades is later lynched by sheer luck, or Hades kills the cult leader for us, or something improbable, but it's still a bad move.

[Diamondeye]

Why is Classical Hero still alive.

[Choxorn]

Only people so far who couldn't be recruited were two confirmed scums. Chaotix is a third one which couldn't, but the argument was is was a god. Now Classical_Hero, another God got recruited by the cult...

Confirmed by what?

[Major Robert Dump]

I don't claim to know all the cults victory conditions, just my own. Unsurpers within an organization are not uncommon in mafia games. I was recruited on my 2nd night in the game.

[classical_hero]

Why is Classical Hero still alive.Cry me a river.

[Ironside]

Yes, he's a town-aligned roleblocker, the god Janus.


The two faced god?......... :dizzy2:

Do we have any data on him being a roleblocker after the code namned killer "Hades" (since we do not have conclusive evidence that it is Hades) shows up?

Having a roleblocker turn into a killer is a nice game twist.

I might be wrong and won't bother checking through everything, but Chaotix not being killed at this point and still haven't wrapped up the game 3 nights later is odd and indicates that the killer doesn't fear Chaotix by some reason.

[Earthling]

Wow, I've come across a really crazy coincidence.

please read this people, it's extremely interesting no matter what

Had to play Devil's Advocate, the rational thing to do. So looked at some writeups, trying to figure out who mafia killers were:

Who was the green robed killer?

He does appear to be a man. Much more interesting is an extremely unusual power


A second round of knocks came, a bit more forceful this time. Still, he stayed put. Maybe twenty seconds later, a faint light shone through the bottom of the door. The door shifted colors, from dark brown to a pale yellow. A similarly colored mist began seeping into the room, blocking the door frame from view. Yaropolk heard footsteps. A oddly foreign man stepped into the room, dressed in a glittering, dark green robe, with a dark moustache and beard hanging from his chin.


Regardless, he inserted his key into the door, and twisted. The key stuck in place. He jangled it more, but to no avail.

“Having trouble?” Ironside whipped around. A bearded man, in a strange green robe was only a foot behind him.

“How? What?” Ironside stuttered out. He hadn't heard anyone approaching.

“Your door won't open, will it?” Ironside shook his head. The man nodded in response. “Good, it seems everything's in order.

It's an extremely hard to disregard clue.

Here's the ridiculous part. It kinda matches both the roles of Chaotix and classical. Especially if one of them is actually a different god/goddess and lied/has a cover identity.

From wiki:


Janus was also involved in the spatial aspect of transitions as that of presiding over home doors, city gates and boundaries


As a goddess expected to avert demons from the house or city over which she stood guard and to protect the individual as she or he passed through dangerous liminal places, Hecate would naturally become known as a goddess who could also refuse to avert the demons, or even drive them on against unfortunate individuals.[66]

It was probably her role as guardian of entrances that led to Hecate's identification by the mid fifth century with Enodia, a Thessalian goddess. Enodia's very name ("In-the-Road") suggests that she watched over entrances, for it expresses both the possibility that she stood on the main road into a city, keeping an eye on all who entered, and in the road in front of private houses, protecting their inhabitants.[67]

This function would appear to have some relationship with the iconographic association of Hecate with keys,


I was going to ask Chaotix about one other thing but that can wait, finding the second passage on Hecate made me really reconsider what's up here. Hecate also had some associations with Hades but I'm by no means a mythology expert here.

If anybody else can find mythological connections - a lot of things about both these gods are lacking. But anything about doors/keys that explains green robes and bearded man. It wouldn't be inconceivable the player just looked up and chose a different god to use as a cover role then.

[Chaotix]

Ok, if I get lynched by the cult because the townies would rather sign their own death warrants than vote with me, then I'mma be pretty pissed.

Being lynched because you're all cultists is fine. Being lynched because the ones who aren't can't be arsed to make an intelligent vote is another.

Unvote, Vote: johnhughthom

Please, let us kill the cult leader so that they can stop taking over our lynches. Beskar, you wanna lynch me, save it for tomorrow and bring it back up then. Right now if you vote me out, whether I'm pro-town as I say or scum like you think, we're all going to lose if that cult doesn't die.

[Earthling]

No, actually, forget classical/Hecate on this point. It seems far too strong of a clue related to Janus.

This leaves us with so many massive problems that I can't follow up on tonight. Or it could be false, but really confusing.

Any scenario with Chaotix as another scum leaves someone else alive as Hades to start.

And so many things he's done all game would be astoundingly ridiculous and bold moves as a scum, forgoing kills, fabricating info to make townies look Innocent, not killing off the cult which would obviously defeat him.

Still if he could explain more about who he's roleblocked and everything he knows about being Janus that would be nice.

[Earthling]

...and classical spelled Hecate wrong for no obvious reason I can imagine plus the revival of Andres doesn't really seem to mesh with her at all.

However I'm now very certain we've missed some large clues in the writeups that could help figure out what gods might have been involved in some instances.

[classical_hero]

Hekate is an alternative spelling that the host used. Even the Wiki article has that name next to the one with a 'c' and in most language the sound that a 'c' makes is similar to a 'k' sound. And since she is a Greek goddess, the Greeks did not have a 'c' in their alphabet, they had either a 'k' or a 'ch' n their alphabet, so the host is using the Greek language for the spelling.

[Earthling]

I don't really trust that classical, plus you spent way too long before coming forward. Why don't you confirm some of the members and goals of the cult?

Also, extremely crazy theory inbound. And that's saying something, maybe I'm just too tired.


Green-robes sounds way too much like Janus.

The scale armor attacker clearly sounds like Athena, cannot think of any other war goddess it would be - but outside of Greek/Roman we could have a lot, don't get me wrong, idk.

More weird, she only disappeared when I died. We still have major discrepancies between when the mafia died and who and when we lynched people. The writeup evidence points to fluffy and pizza being consecutive lynched scum with roles subsequently disappearing from writeups. That makes little sense on the voting record and player behavior of so many people. Then we have white_eyes an outside shot and Renata's lynch, despite her being the most clearly scummy behavior-wise, also after the writeup characters disappeared.

Also, I would tend to guess our original winged killer was not a Valkryie but Nike, seeing as how everyone else has been Greek/Roman. Except Ishtar and the Babylonian guy, but if that's because we know they are neutral...

So theory: the mafia either had corrupted versions of the same gods/goddesses as town power roles, or somehow mindcontrolled people into the killings.

Unforunately we can't get more confirmations of the roles of dead people I'd imagine, and it IS a very implausible theory, but on the other hand something is clearly wrong, with all the Greek/Roman town gods/goddesses and all the mafia being unknown ones we've never had revealed.

Plus Hades' or whatever he is special ability to kill other gods with his oozeblade it seems.

[classical_hero]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hekate
Hecate or Hekate (ancient Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek) Ἑκάτη (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%99%CE%BA%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%B7), Hekátē, pronounced /ˈhɛkətiː/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English), <small>in Shakespeare</small> /ˈhɛkət/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hekate#cite_note-0))Do you believe me now?

[Chaotix]

The Green Robe Guy can't be Janus, for the simple reason that Janus has two faces. That's like his calling card, two faces- one looking into the future and the other looking into the past. There's a lot of stuff in ancient mythology that tends to be marginal and tangential. For example, Poseidon is the god of the sea, but also of horses. :shrug:

Anyway Earthling, I'm perfectly capable of giving you the roleblock list, but it's also inherently a list of targets for Hades to kill. I made the mistake last round of mentioning who I was going to roleblock, and Hades jumped right on it. I give the town that list, and he'll be killing more people that aren't suspects- I'd much rather we be able to eliminate suspects by him killing them. The most prudent option, IMO, is for me to tell you when the town is heading toward a bad lynch, so we can change direction.

That said, if this is what you guys want from me to spare my life (say so), I'll give it to you.

Or, you know, we can continue down the path we're going and lynch the roleblocker and let the cult eat us. That works too.

[Earthling]

It's not that, it's that I don't trust the host used an alternate spelling. Sounds cover-roley. Also zero things in the revival of Andres match wiki stuff for Hecate that I could find, snakes for hair, torches, the moon, none of it clearly referenced.

On the Janus issue I am one for missing the stupidly obvious possibility. That would be:

Should Janus be a dead scum after all, Chaotix took a real role of his dead teammate and claimed it for himself with townie reflavoring. Still huge issues for Chaotix to be the last scum here, but somehow something must add up.

So on top of explaining his roleblock targets it would be nice if he could explain very specifically how being Janus causes him to end up doing that.

If anyone living knows, or anyone dead is able to ask khaan and then hint, what was the actual god/goddess role of our dead town scanner? Especially if it's also Greek.

xpost edit - I should trust your judgment on the roleblock info, that sounds reasonable. I know I'm out of luck trying to convince living people not to lynch you. I still wouldn't, I can say you're not Hades till my face is blue but that's no helping. So the roleblock info I wouldn't object to personally but wouldn't delude myself it will help the town/lynch here.

how's the doppelganger theory look to you? Or just too wild of a guess?

Or, anyone from Netherworld I know of plot links/interaction with Hades? Stuff that could explain why everyone, or at least main town/mafia, seem to be Greek and Roman here (and neutrals other pantheons...seems like that should really mean something if true).

[Beskar]

Chaotix give the list to me, I can guarantee it will not fall into the hands of Hades (since I am not Hades and will not share it unless prompted by you in thread) !

[Earthling]

Nobody expects the host to explain every part of every god/character's identity in each writeup. But when a clue appears, have to ask:

Who else could the clue possibly be?

Or do we think the door thing is not a clue?

Any quick search clearly identifies Janus as a very good fit. Also for example I found one more thing:


Originally one face was always bearded, the other one clean-shaven; later both bearded

I'm still obviously willing to accept you personally are not scum Chaotix. It's the characters, and the one killer sounds way too much like Athena too.

Plus the appeal of the theory is it's a brilliant game setup, should the town gods appear like the killers role reveals would be incredibly dangerous, but at the same time if they die deprives the negaverse mafia of kills or something like that.

That's too much from me now and on a new topic that really would need attention from others. However, the take on the writeup clues I mentioned right at first there is something we could use from several players. I don't see how they can not be actual clues, even if they point to a better god/explanation in the end, it's much better than blind guessing.

[TheLastDays]

Well Hades in Netherworld I was completely different. He started as a sk and after 4 killings was able to revive two players who then became his mafia buddys. In the end he won and became the new god of the underworld (formerly something-khaan). Now in this game he IS already the god of the underworld and he'd be with the invaders that want to stop Mayniu.

Anyway.

There's something I've been asking myself: If the cults sole victory condition is for Ishtar to "mate" with Mayniu to guarantee her own survival, that sounds more like a lover role than a cult leader. Why would she be able to recruit anyone for that reason? What does having a large group of followers do towards that goal? Nothing. Therefore I believe the cult has other agendas as well and we need to know what that is. Or we just blindly lynch who is very probably the cult leader (JHT) and lynch Hades tomorrow.

[Death is yonder]

Well in the end all that is being said is this:

a) Chaotix cannot be seriously using the excuse that being a god = unrecruitable because classical has disproved this, and unless you want to propose with evidence that someone else did the revive, you basically cannot dispute that the fact is that being a god does not inhibit recruitment

[You might want to nitpick that it was claimed that Andres was recruited via the revive, but what I recall the fact of the matter being was that Andres was alive long enough to have been recruited following his revival in a night phase and thus Earthling cannot so easily discount it.]

b) The fact that he is unrecruitable irrelevant of possible godhood raises the only other power role available, scumbag

Irrelevant of any other nitpick with the details you may possibly have, fact of the matter is that:

1. A revive happened
2. There is no evidence to suggest that anybody other than classical did it, which supports his claim of godhood, especially makes sense because IIRC he claimed to be god of death or something
3. It thus cannot be the case that his supposed "pro-town god" status prevented chaotix from being recruited
4. The only other logical conclusion is that Chaotix is the mafia

In any case, what is being put on the table is a chance at a united joint win, it has already been mentioned that is part of the victory conditions.

To reiterate:
You may choose a definite lose scenario by prolonging the mafia's existence

OR

You may accept a shot at a united victory that is otherwise unattainable. Unless you would like to do the most foolish thing available at hand which is to attempt to trust the mafia.


What does having a large group of followers do towards that goal?

Well for starters you could realize that you can't force the lynch, even if you solicited the mafia's help, which is definitely going to go well from a townie point of view. It isn't even a third party offering "oh let us be your vigilante for suspects", this is a clear cut mafiosi plain and simple.

Then next you could realize that we want the mafia dead, and what better way to do that than voting.

I must admit I'm torn between humor and pity that Beskar has worked out through reveals and stuff that the only way for town to possibly secure a win is to trust us (and some aren't listening to him in the 'interest of pursuing victory' which is already essentially being offered), I mean, the offer here is to work together to eliminate the mafia, contrary to what might be expected, I fail to see how that can go wrong.

Essentially what some are proposing is that you leave the mafia alive, because evidently getting rid of the mafia is somehow unimportant in the grand scheme of having more townies alive.

[woad&fangs]

The cult should reevaluate their membership including starting members. Hades may be a traitor planted in the cult like Lucifer in the first game. Secondly, the town needs to leave the cultists alone and lynch an unconfirmed role like Glyphz, Johnhughtom, or Warman.

[Riedquat]

pff... if Ishtar can't recruit how do you explain Andres, MRD and classical claims? All were recruited by her...
All this is utterly confusing! And the mythology thing just blew up my fragile mind, I liked more when TLD was the most suspicious person around...

[TheLastDays]

The thing is, that it's possible that Chaotix is not the Mafia. It's not proven that he's the Mafia. It is perfectly possible that your little cult has been infiltrated by whoever is the last Mafia standing.

Because, IF what you say is true, what is this cult other than a forced pro-town network with a little side objective of "mating" their leader with Mayniu? Then, IF that's the case, what does our host love to do? Confuse pro-town networks. So, why in the world do you see the following as conclusive evidence: 1) We were able to recruit one pro-town role. 2) We can obviously recruit every pro-town role! - That's simply not enough evidence to declare Chaotix scum, simply because he wasn't recruitable.

Now here are a few other things, that we have no conclusive evidence for:

1) The cult's goal is the same as the town's goal, only the cult leader has to "sleep" with Angra Mayniu.

Well, you failed to provide reasnoning why Ishtar would need a recruiting ability for that. That's a simple lover role, nothing else. Why recruit massive numbers of townies? What does Ishtar need them for?


2) Angra Mayniu is a role in this game.

Now, that's your goal, right? You have to find him. Haven't found him yet, I suppose. Where's that power role? The writeups don't point to that at all. The role of the "lynchmaster" in Netherworld 1 + 2 was never a role in the game itself. Also, if you are so nice to offer the town help in defeating Chaotix, who is, or so you claim, the remaining Mafia, why have you not asked for a favor in return? Like, i.e., a personal reveal of Angra Mainyu to one of your esteemed cultlings? Because you aren't really looking for Angra Mainyu, are you?


3) You control the town's vote.

MRD himself doubted, in hs private conversation with me, that you have as many members as you claim to have. Also, if it's true, why do we even have this discussion? Why ask the town for their votes when you can simply go through them and lynch whomever you will?


Ladies and Gentlemen, the cult has been lying to the town all along. Beskar, if you haven't been recruited, only contacted, open your eyes and realise the truth.

It's very simple actually, I don't believe statement 1) and 2) and we can put statement 3) to a test. I believe the cult leader is johnhughthom. Everyone who is still in control of their own vote, vote JHT today and we'll see where it gets us! If he isn't the cult leader, the chance that he's Hades is as high as with anyone else. If he is the cult leader, we should have one problem less and face 2-3 more days to eliminate Hades!

[Death is yonder]

That's simply not enough evidence to declare Chaotix scum, simply because he wasn't recruitable.

There is never ever enough evidence in a mafia game, unless a conclusive and solid detective result presents itself. Always present is that element where what pieces that are available add up so coincidentally that it cannot be ignored.

Interestingly, it is probably easier to accumulate a higher quality of information pointing towards Chaotix being scum versus jht being Hades although that's from a purely speculative point of view.

In any case, these are questions you should be asking people who can provide information.


It is perfectly possible that your little cult has been infiltrated by whoever is the last Mafia standing.

If one were to follow this line of inquiry from a purely mechanics perspective, this would suggest that:
a) Mafia are recruitable for some odd reason

And then you must ask yourself, to what end will this allow? Wouldn't infiltrating lets say, Yaro's pro-town network mess around with the town more and be definitely more productive?

Naturally some other options could be present, but you did say infiltrated, meaning sneakily masquerading as someone else in an otherwise un-compromised scenario.

[TheLastDays]

I am simply saying that I don't think khaan has given the cult the ability to clearly identify scum by making Mafia the only roles not recruitable. ESPECIALLY if the cult is town aligned, which I don't believe to be the case.

Please, answer my questions:

If your goal is to mate Ishtar with Mayniu, why do you have the ability to recruit?
If you are looking for Mayniu, why aren't you looking for Mayniu?
If you control the voting, why do we have this discussion? Why did you feel the need to contact Beskar and gain the town's trust to vote along with you? Everyone, please put this to a test. Vote JHT if you are in control of your own vote!

[Riedquat]

I am simply saying that I don't think khaan has given the cult the ability to clearly identify scum by making Mafia the only roles not recruitable. ESPECIALLY if the cult is town aligned, which I don't believe to be the case.

Please, answer my questions:

If your goal is to mate Ishtar with Mayniu, why do you have the ability to recruit?
If you are looking for Mayniu, why aren't you looking for Mayniu?
If you control the voting, why do we have this discussion? Why did you feel the need to contact Beskar and gain the town's trust to vote along with you? Everyone, please put this to a test. Vote JHT if you are in control of your own vote!

Don't you feel you are answering the same questions you are formulating TLD? If the cult isn't town aligned why contact Beskar? Why the discussion? Voting for somebody else than Chaotix with the current info is like shooting on our own feet IMHO...
Why have you been killed? Why Chaotix have not been attacked at all?

[TheLastDays]

No, that does not answer any of my questions. The cult needs the town's votes, that's why they contacted Beskar. It's as simple as that. Put it to a test. Vote JHT and see what happens. If the cult controls the voting, as they have claimed, you shouldn't be able to break their voting bloc anyway and it won't matter. If they do not control the voting, that's the reason they contacted Beskar. They need your vote to accomplish whatever goal they might have and IT IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY IT IS!

A role that has to find another character and use an ability on them is a lover role, not a cult recruiter. If said role has the ability to recruit, their goal is something different and it is not town aligned. You don't need to recruit townies to a town aligned cult. THEY ARE already townies!

[TheLastDays]

There is never ever enough evidence in a mafia game, unless a conclusive and solid detective result presents itself. Always present is that element where what pieces that are available add up so coincidentally that it cannot be ignored.

Interestingly, it is probably easier to accumulate a higher quality of information pointing towards Chaotix being scum versus jht being Hades although that's from a purely speculative point of view.

In any case, these are questions you should be asking people who can provide information.



If one were to follow this line of inquiry from a purely mechanics perspective, this would suggest that:
a) Mafia are recruitable for some odd reason

And then you must ask yourself, to what end will this allow? Wouldn't infiltrating lets say, Yaro's pro-town network mess around with the town more and be definitely more productive?

Naturally some other options could be present, but you did say infiltrated, meaning sneakily masquerading as someone else in an otherwise un-compromised scenario.

Also, look at this answer, by our little new cult friend. He avoids tackling the real questions and gives some generic answers to irrelevant points. Scummy.

[Beskar]

If your goal is to mate Ishtar with Mayniu, why do you have the ability to recruit?

I think I know why... You remember the phase 3, what did Ishtar do? She slept with (What was claimed to be Andres later) in the write-up. She is a Goddess of Love. Also from my cult contact, Ishtar claims she never knew she was a 'cult recruiter'. This sort of suggests the ability didn't work as they expected and a side-effect of simply with townies is that they want to join her cause as they are besotted with her beauty or similar.

Ishtar simply took the opportunity of this to start mass recruiting, especially helpful since they found out about Renata early game, a sort of loose investigation / gain assistant ability.


If you are looking for Mayniu, why aren't you looking for Mayniu?

They have been, but haven't found him yet.

[Beskar]

Death is Yonder, nice of you to support my case anyway, you must think there is merit in it ! :thumbsup:

[TheLastDays]

This makes no sense, Beskar. I don't buy it and probably cult members of Ishtar have been lied to by Ishtar themselves. I'm not asking why she would have that ability mathologywise but why she would need it gameplaywise. khaan will not assing that character a useless ability, especially he won't give a town aligned lover role the ability to effectively discover Mafia by trying to recruit them, that would be pretty overpowered.

They could have asked for a reveal from Mayniu in exchange for their help towards the town. But they have not and I think it's because Mayniu is not a player role and their whole claim is a lie.

Again, put it to a test. Vote JHT. If they cannot control enough votes to lynch whoever they want they have lied to us already. This cult is not town-aligned, it makes no sense this way.

[TheLastDays]

Death is Yonder, nice of you to support my case anyway, you must think there is merit in it ! :thumbsup:

DiY is obviously a cultist who has been sent out to make sure what they want you to do is done.

[Chaotix]

Beskar, you're voting for me and you want me to die, and at the same time you want me to give you my list of roleblocked townies?

That is some prime steak right there.

You guys are all getting hung up on this stupid recruitment thing and you're not looking at the real issues. Who cares that classical_hero is a god and he was recruited, and I am a god and I wasn't recruited? We never established in stone that godhood was what determined recruitability, we only theorized that much. In reality, khaan probably designed some specific roles to be convertible and others to not be, regardless of what kind of creature they were.

You know why I'm not a cultist right now? Because Janus doesn't give a crap about women, he only cares about work. He is the epitome of jobs before hoes.

Right now, you're trying to lynch the only power role that is not a cultist. Does that really seem like a good idea to you? You think the cult is just going to convert you all and make one big, happy family? You try that, and you doom every dead townie to lose, as well as every one of you that they can't/don't have time to convert.

So are you going to metagame your way to victory and let the cult walk all over you, or are you going to play by what your townie role says you have to do and lynch these idiots before they become unstoppable? If you just had to lynch me because of a pure suspicion like we were going to do with TLD, that would be acceptable to me. But the fact is that if you lynch me today, then I lose and you have a shot at winning, even though we're both town-aligned. And that pisses me off.

If you let the cult take over, then you don't deserve to win this game. That's my opinion, I've said my piece. You wanna lynch me for BS, go right ahead. Otherwise, vote with me so we can play the game and not the metagame.

[Beskar]

I want the mafia dead and I believe you are that mafia, hence my vote. Nothing really more to it then that.

[TheLastDays]

Your evidence for believing that Chaotix is scum comes from the cult and the cult is probably lying AND could be wrong too.

The cult is not town aligned and it is still defeatable, because otherwise they would have never approached the town, begging for your votes. But you decide to go the easy route, aligning yourself with the cult without being in the cult, hoping for them to recruit you before all this is over.

I say, go for both. Defeath the Mafia and the cult, it's the only way for an honest townie.

[Earthling]

Chaotix is not scum and it's a fact that some town/non-mafia gods cannot be recruited by the cult. As the cult claimed Death is Yonder was one of them, don't listen to him, doubly so when I can tell you that what he says is not true.

It's far more likely that Hades was recruitable and really already recruited by the cult.

Again, anyone who takes a moment to think will realize that it's completely senseless that a cult leader who is not anti-town gets the equivalent of an automatic scan against the scum.

Nobody else had a truescan ability, rather explicitly the town only had one activity scanner and that's it.

a lynch of jht is certainly ok as he is likely cultist, though Warman is too by the voting record and he's a more likely Hades, but at this point anything else is a good attempt if townies will actually vote.

Don't lynch Chaotix, it's the worst move the town can make.

[Earthling]

Wouldn't infiltrating lets say, Yaro's pro-town network mess around with the town more and be definitely more productive?

You can't just infiltrate a pro-town network that is based on players talking. The host can't force players to send PMs to other players or compromise their login accounts, maybe you could secretly forward any quicktopic players create to the mafia team but no host ever does that and that wouldn't even be relevant here.

Stop being a lying scumbag.

[TheLastDays]

Listen, I'm not even saying Chaotix is not Hades. It's possible but at the moment all the evidence we have is weak AND comes from the cult which is probably lying to us, because their agenda cannot be pro-town with what they have provided so far. The cult is the bigger problem as of now, they have come forth to put this game away this round and you all are helping them sail away with the win.

Again, I urge y'all to lynch JHT if your vote is still your vote and put the word of the cult to the test. Don't swallow blindly what they are feeding you or the town has already lost.

[Earthling]

It's possible but at the moment all the evidence we have is weak

No, it's really not possible. If you must go with saying Chaotix is scum there are some things that are possible but insanely crazy, like that Chaotix is a second mafia and glyphz was Hades all along and he'd been covering for him with a fake ability.

He's not Hades and he's really not scum at all is the real answer. And of course, even if townies believed he was scum, that would mean he would
a) kill a cultist at night, and
b) the town could lynch him tomorrow or the next day

lynching at the cult, either for the cult leader or Hades as part of the cult, not to mention seeing what vots the cult really has, is the only reasonable choice right now.

[Choxorn]

I never thought I'd say this, but Earthling and TLD are completely right, and you should listen to them, and you should be lynching john now.

[TheLastDays]

lynching at the cult, either for the cult leader or Hades as part of the cult, not to mention seeing what vots the cult really has, is the only reasonable choice right now.

I can't agree with everything you say but this statement is true. I fear the town has made their choice though and this game will not break the Netherworld spell or the Anniversary spell.

[seireikhaan]

Just a reminder, a bit under five hours left.

[glyphz]

Not too high on lynching Chaotix, at least just yet, even if I'm suspicious of why he remains alive. Perhaps I'm holding on hope that he gets to block Hades this night, thus lynching him right now feels like shooting self on the foot.

Personally, I'd go for either Warman, jht, or Riedquat
Anyways Vote: johnhughthom, even if things look grim for Chaotix

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote: Chaotix

[TheLastDays]

Vote: Chaotix
Scumfest.

[seireikhaan]

Chaotix 7 (Beskar, Johnhughthom, Warman, Riedquat, Major Robert Dump, Classical Hero, Captain Blackadder)
Johnhughthom 2 (Chaotix, Glyphz)

Not Voting 1 (dcmort)


Writeup in progress.

[Death is yonder]

Also, look at this answer, by our little new cult friend. He avoids tackling the real questions and gives some generic answers to irrelevant points. Scummy.

Well, for starters I happen to be dead, and I even helpfully stated that:


In any case, these are questions you should be asking people who can provide information.


Ishtar claims she never knew she was a 'cult recruiter'

If you flip to the first page about the rules, notice that 'khaan says that some roles will have secret abilities which they may discover. I fail to see why it is hard to believe.


DiY is obviously a cultist who has been sent out to make sure what they want you to do is done.

Sent out? No. I've always found that the most convincing way around something is to post genuinely how I would perceive a situation if I was a townie. If they didn't claim I was a cultist, you would have felt that my arguments (while perhaps in your opinion slightly flawed) would have made sense.

All in all, the only thing stopping you from accepting what's going on, is a misconception based on the stereotypical impression of what a cult is. I would have posted the exact same way from back when I was still a townie.


You can't just infiltrate a pro-town network that is based on players talking. The host can't force players to send PMs to other players or compromise their login accounts, maybe you could secretly forward any quicktopic players create to the mafia team but no host ever does that and that wouldn't even be relevant here.

Stop being a lying scumbag.

So I'm lying that an infiltration of the pro-town network would be more beneficial to the mafia than infiltration of a cult? Is that what I'm lying about Earthling? Everyone asks what's in it for the cult, I would suppose from a speculative point of view that the result could be a victory to a stronger degree (lets say major victory vs minor victory) but a victory nevertheless for a town that can't win by itself but don't quote me on that.

And the underlined section in the quote doesn't really make sense, players could create the QT independently of the host and just provide him with the link, it would be greatly relevant here because the mafia would have at least partial access to town's plans. I mean if the infiltrator gets asked to target someone with lets say a role block (I'm using Chaotix's ability because its the most relevant), then the mafia team would know who isn't the pro-town roles. As opposed to say investigation, where it might be the case where you investigate these fellows in the network to make sure they aren't scum.

That's just why I think Chaotix's ability is contrived and also very convenient.

In any case, Chaotix has been lynched, and looking at his write up for answers would just be silly. If he's mafia as suspected all along, 'khaan probably isn't going to give any clues which is going to make the write up differ any bit from a townie lynch (as evidenced by GE lynch), and for all we know, he might just not be the last mafia.

[Earthling]

In any case, Chaotix has been lynched, and looking at his write up for answers would just be silly.

We're guaranteed to get a reveal of whether he's Hades or not. Nice cultist deflection.

[seireikhaan]

"Now, I think I promised you a grand finale, didn't I?" the old man asked. The young girl's eyes lit up. "Yeah, like ten years ago granpa!" He chuckled a bit. "Now, I won't promise this is the last chapter of this tale, but....<object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"></object>

When they got back together for the morning, only to discover another had fallen during the night. It didn't take long before a movement to set Chaotix before their lord picked up steam. A number of the group claimed contact with a religious cult to another god, and that she had discovered him to be abnormally powerful. Despite his protests, a great majority seemed that this was better than any other lead. When the bell was rung, and Chaotix was plainly the choice of the crowd, they ushered him forth. He gave them a glare, swatted their hands away, and walked up to the steps before the throne himself.

'Chaotix, kneel.' Mainyu commanded.

'No."

'What?!' Mainyu hissed. The crowd ushered themselves forward and surrounded Chaotix in a semi-circle. 'Do. As. I. Command!" Mainyu bellowed.

'No. No more of this. No more secrecy. No more pretending. The rest have fallen. Not surprising, I suppose, as weak as they were.' Chaotix raised his hands to the sky, and a flash temporarily blinded the room. Chaotix stood before everyone, an aura of white fire pulsing around him. The crowd staggered backwards, most visibly shaken. 'We will settle this, Mainyu. This land, the heavens, the netherworld. None of it belongs to you. How could it, when it is mine?'

'Everyone else,' Mainyu spoke with barely contained rage. Do not assist. I shall show you who the true Emperor is.'

A small storm of red lightning began to whirl around Mainyu, who held out his right hand. A wooden staff materialized in it, adorned with a brilliant red gem at its rounded end. Chaotix withdrew a sword from a sheath at his belt, a long, black, curved blade. The two stood about twenty feet away from each other, glaring, hatred in their eyes.

Chaotix made the first move, moving up the steps so fast it seemed he flew. In an instant he was in front of Mainyu. He sliced in an upwards motion, which Mainyu dodged with a sidestep to his left. Mainyu swung the butt of the staff in a short motion, delivering it to Chaotix' midsection. With a grunt, Chaotix lurched back for a second, before launching another strike with his sword in a leftward motion. Mainyu danced backwards to avoid the strike.

The crowd watched in a mixture of awe and confusion as the two battled. It was difficult to tell what was happening, as Mainyu's red lightning aura clashed with Chaotix' aura of flame. It was a marvel the two could even fight amidst the elemental mayhem which surrounded them. It was almost as though it were a dance, white fire and red lightning mingling and firing off in all directions.

Another backwards dodge by Mainyu saved him from a downward strike by Chaotix. Mainyu's staff darkened to a pure black, aside from the glittering gem. He raised his hands, and brilliant lightning erupted from the ground in an enormous circle around them. Chaotix attempted to leap backwards out of the circle of destruction, but could not escape. He staggered back, panting, struggling to keep his feet. Despite this, his white aura remained an angry, writhing white. Mainyu raised his right hand, and another tremendous volt burst forward, hitting Chaotix square in the chest. He roared in pain, and his aura erupted in a brilliant blast. Mainyu immediately turned on his heel and hid behind the golden throne. He could feel the haze from the battle launch itself into a full inferno. His back could feel the throne begin to melt, as he saw the white flames torch past on either side. After a few seconds, the flames died down. Mainyu rolled from out behind his cover, and saw Chaotix laying face first against the ground, his aura nearly gone. His breathing was heavy, slow, and deliberate.


'You... haven't.... won.... never.... win....' Chaotix whispered. With a grimace, Mainyu aimed his staff at his fallen opponent.

'We'll see about that, now won't we? But you? You lose.' Another blast of red lightning erupted from the staff, and engulfed Chaotix. As it danced across his body, he began to dissolve into a dark crimson mist.


'My... my... my lord,' someone from the crowd stammered out in an awestruck voice, head bowed to the ground. 'It appears in the final blast that dcmort was too close. He is... indisposed.'

Mainyu composed himself. 'It is no loss. He has not been faithful or vigorous. He deserved his fate. Just as he did. Now, begone! I shall have no more of you tonight! We shall test his claim.'"



"So was that the end, granpa?" the young girl asked. "Was he telling the truth? And where are you?"

"Well, pumpkin, just let me explain...."



Chaotix 7 (Beskar, Johnhughthom, Warman, Riedquat, Major Robert Dump, Classical Hero, Captain Blackadder)
Johnhughthom 2 (Chaotix, Glyphz)

Not Voting 1 (dcmort)



Alive: 8


Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Classical Hero
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
Warman



Killed: 17

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)
TheLastDays (N12)


Lynched: 12

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)
Chaotix (D12)

WoK: 4

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus
dcmort

[glyphz]

Whaddya know... Chaotix was indeed Hades

guess cult got it right, wonder what happens next?


Johnhughthom 2 (Chaotix, Glyphz):creep:

[Chaotix]

Congrats town!

Now, as your prize for catching me, you get to watch helplessly as the cult eats you alive! Isn't that exciting?

No matter what my alignment is... the correct choice would have been to let me live a day or two. Then you could at least have a chance at winning.


To the cult: I underestimated you, and you deserve to win for it.


To khaan: I very much enjoyed the write-up.

[Earthling]

Do we have a timer for a night phase, or are we just waiting for another write-up?

I'd say again it's impossible for game balance for the cult to be town-aligned with Chaotix as scum so not expecting the pleasant surprise of a town victory in the next writeup, but we'll see what happens.

[Major Robert Dump]

All that effort to keep us from lynching Chaotix, and how Chaotix could not be scum, I would expect the oopsies to come roaring in, or else perhaps the people defending him were somehow complicit in what he was doing. Didn't Satan have a son in that Adam Sandler movie???

Seriously, the cult was looking for someone to claim and tell their story but their numbers at the time were small enough and the members suspected enough that no one wanted to do it for fear of being a nail in their own coffin. I was a replacement, I hadn't invested the time in the game, so from my perspective it was a no brainer to claim and start a discussion about the cult. Had this not been done, our wagon on Chaotix would have been dismissed even more so that it already was.

There is no plausible way that any of you can say with a straight face that we would have been better offhad we held off lynching a mafia for a day or two when we are down to 10 players. What bollox.

[Visor]

MRD, I really enjoyed your performance. :tongue: (Seriously)

[Ironside]

Congrats town!

Now, as your prize for catching me, you get to watch helplessly as the cult eats you alive! Isn't that exciting?

No matter what my alignment is... the correct choice would have been to let me live a day or two. Then you could at least have a chance at winning.


To the cult: I underestimated you, and you deserve to win for it.


To khaan: I very much enjoyed the write-up.

Psh, blaming us for your own failures. You had the entire game to try to kill the cult head.

[TheLastDays]

I never said Chaotix cannot be scum, in fact, go back a few posts and you'll see the very phrase that it is possible that Chaotix is Hades. I merely stated that the cult was more dangerous at this point and it is yet to be revealed if I was right about that. I still don't believe the cult was town aligned. The recruitment ability makes no sense for what they claimed their goal to be.

Also, Chaotix, this is what you got for killing me :tongue:

EDIT: I also hope that all of you townies who sold out to the cult realise that this is probably the last night and that it's not even a real night phase because khaan is probably only suspending us before the final writeup so there'll be no more recruitment, you have signed your own death warrants and that's the one thing I'll be happy about when this is over.

[Beskar]

Guess who was right? Beskar!

Happy Happy Go Go Beskar!

:dance:'s around in glee as he managed to work it out.

Very good game Chaotix, you was just unlucky. The combination of Classical Hero getting converted and TLD dying drew my attention straight towards you. (also the fact of no night attacks upon you)

[Beskar]

All that effort to keep us from lynching Chaotix, and how Chaotix could not be scum, I would expect the oopsies to come roaring in, or else perhaps the people defending him were somehow complicit in what he was doing2

That was the case. I put it to you in this way, how did Earthling know it was Hades? Why was he so adamant in Chaotix's defense and so seemingly devoid of reason simply twisting my words and calling me out as a liar? :bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why was.... [Earthling] ...calling me out as a liar? :bow:

First rule of Earthling: Everyone is a liar.

[Ironside]

That was the case. I put it to you in this way, how did Earthling know it was Hades? Why was he so adamant in Chaotix's defense and so seemingly devoid of reason simply twisting my words and calling me out as a liar? :bow:

Because he was fooled of what I assume is the correct assumption that Chaotix did roleblock early on? I doubt he intended to be killed by Chaotix, while defending Secura, if he was scum.

[Beskar]

First rule of Earthling: Everyone is a liar.

Well, he should seriously reconsider that rule when it comes to me!

[TheLastDays]

Guess who was right? Beskar!

Happy Happy Go Go Beskar!


You were right about Chaotix. We'll see of you were right about the cult, unless you were in the cult anyway. Then it doesn't matter.

[Ironside]

Well, he should seriously reconsider that rule when it comes to me. I am the Bringer of Truth. The Light in the Darkness. For I was...

*drumroll*


Right!
https://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/tiaexz/ohyeah.gif


You're also 700 posts late to the party ~;p:


Are you telling us that you and White eyes are scum mates Chaotix? :book:

Should be interesting how I did with the rest of my my guesses.

[Renata]

Congrats to the cult. :bow:

[Earthling]

The cult was clearly lying that they had evidence Andres was a mafia for those who were asking. Losing to the cult means the town has a zero percent chance of victory, whereas if we'd gotten the cult leader or held them off the game would still be on and the town would have a nonzero chance of victory.

Until we see a writeup with town victory and all the townies listed as victorious a cult victory means nothing.

[Zack]

Until we see a writeup with town victory and all the townies listed as victorious a cult victory means nothing.
???

[Earthling]

Sorry, do you have a link to khaan's latest writeup? Or are we still waiting, is what I'm saying. The cult winning and the town losing is nothing for townies to be pleased about.

[Beskar]

The cult was clearly lying ...

Wrong, Mr. Chaotix is pro-town and definitely not Hades.

[Earthling]

Pretty sure I'm still right, the cult is not pro-town with Chaotix as scum. It would be an impressive surprise to find out that the cult leader was town all along and really did have an ability to scan for mafia but I don't see how anyone should think that's true.

[Yaropolk]

My hat off to Chaotix - well played, can't wait for the final role reveal.

[Beskar]

You were right about Chaotix. We'll see of you were right about the cult, unless you were in the cult anyway. Then it doesn't matter.

What is there that could ever go wrong? We are simply going to cruise to victory.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_pEdeq-nOc

[Tratorix]

What is there that could ever go wrong? We are simply going to cruise to victory.

And the town wins after the entire cult was killed in a tragic gas fight accident...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Whaddya know... Chaotix was indeed Hades

guess cult got it right, wonder what happens next?

:creep:

What happens next?

Askthepizzaguy returns from the grave to destroy the hated glyphz monster.

DIE,

DIE,

DIE DIE DIE!!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh? What's that glyphz?

Don't know why?

Pizza done gone and died forgots about this game? Thought had game in the bag?

Ooooooops!

Death doesn't really stop me, you know.

[Major Robert Dump]

To the remaining scum: you will never get the goddess. Your days are numbered.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You claim that you are a pro-town civilian...
so I'm assuming you're not a pro-town power role...
But you may be lying & actually be scum...
That means...
Your lynch has the least potential of being a 'disaster!'
:yes:

Vote: TheLastDays

Look! Look at all the ellipses! Clear evidence of guilt!

Ellipses = scum.


If he doesn't reveal by night's end, then the first order of the day is to place votes on him, if he is still alive by then.

edit: issaikhaan, the final tally is showing error, though it does not change that Arjos has the highest count


More concerned with the tally than usual = scum.


There's probably a 3 vote lead bet G_E & the next canditate, & at least 10 nonvoters.

Vote: God_Emperor for safe measure...

Safe? SAFE??? SAFE!?!?!

Concerned about safe = scum.


There must really be a lack of leads this day...
vote: glyphzIt looks fake. None of the other bandwagons were remotely serious as "threats" to GE getting lynched, so why the pose? During the night glyphz says GE needs to be lynched if no claim, yet there was a claim, and glyphz didn't comment on it at all, just this fake looking vote.At the time I began writing that post, the lead on the G_E wagon dropped from 6 (Romanic's tally post post #380) to 3, including a couple of unvotes. The focus of the last posts were going away from G_E (check it out), and I saw that as a bad sign, hence the message style.

As for the reason? I was not convinced of his civilian reveal. Not after surviving an attack. And not after hinting that he has something to disclose regarding that matter, and acting unsure how to do it. I also did not agree w/ his reasoning, for delaying the truth of his nature, saying it was for the sake of generating discussion, I thought it only had us running in circles trying to guess what transpired or what he was.

These post make my gut wrench! Making my gut wrench = scum!



I'm going to come out and say up front, that I'm a vanilla townie, and I suspect God Emperor was also one.

Therefore, it seems clear that the big guy with the axe is incompetent when it comes to killing people.You could have made your point w/o the need of referencing yourself. Revealing, while under no suspicion/pressure, just makes me think you're suspicious.
Vote: Zack

Buh????

Making me say buh = SCUM!


Are ya? Hmmmmmm?
Are ya, really?
:stare:
If I claim that I'm vanilla townie as well, are you gonna believe me, & take my word for it?
Doubt it.
So why should I believe you then?

As Jon Lovitz would say: ACTING!

Acting = scum!


Not yet. :bow:

Welcome to the party, 'pizza

You're the other option for today, aren't you?


Ok tell me, which one of you should I vote for and why.

Vote for Glyphz.

Visorslash says to vote for Glyphz!

That's remarkably similar to telling us to vote for glyphz!

That means that glyphz is scum!


Yep. I got the wagon, but am unwillingly fighting fluff for the right to ride it one-way to the gallows...
Only gone through the thread once, so I dont have any ammunition w/ someone's name on it...
If I were to borrow someone else's case I'd go w/ DoubleA, TheLastDays, or Zack.

You sound like you don't care about your death, but you also want me to read other people's cases to save you!

You can't care and not care at the same time!

Emotional paradoxes are scummy!



I approve, even if it causes my death.

TROLL TIL THE END.

(AND SOME TIME AFTER AS WELL!)Have you ever had a non-cannon fodder role, Fluffy?


Also, glyphz is my home boy. Nobody touches him, in that way, but me.Aww, pizza! How cheeeesy of you:smitten:

It's time for me to touch you, glyphz! I'm not wearing gloves this time....


Better start voting for believer then.

Yes, yes. I'm still a believer.:drama1: I still believe in mira-
vote for believer?
Um, sure why not...
Unvote; Vote: Believer

The scummy stink of desperation!


Alright, based on my own tally and the posted one(the two matched), we have a tie, between Fluffy and Glyphz. First vote which breaks the tie ends the round. You may still vote for other players.


Glyphz 7(Chaotix, Yaropolk, Ironside woad&fangs, Renata, Dcmort, white eyes)
Fluffy 7(Earthling, SoulBlade, Khazaar, TLD, GH, Romanic, Johnhughthom)
TheLastDays 5(Choxorn, Seon, Riedquat, Believer, DiY)
Double A 4(Warman, Diamondeye, Andres, Captain Blackadder)
Believer 3(Fluffy, Glyphz, ATPG)
Romanic 1(Zack)
Zack 1(Glyphz)

Vote: Fluffy

-edit- nevermind, that doesn't do anything.

I'm getting a different tally...
DoubleA voted Fluffy (post #562)

Confirmed, Fluffy 8 glyphz 7 is also what I have.

Yes, it seems you're correct, Glyphz. Fluffy was lynched. Writeup shortly. Orders may be begin to be sent now.

All this concern over vanilla glyphz' life?

Yeah sure.

And I'm not really a pizza, I'm actually a taco.

Askthetacoguy says that glyphz is really vanilla.

In fact, I'm like a taco that poops out vanilla ice cream.

Ice-cream :daisy:-ing taco = alien

aliens are scum

Therefore glyphz is guilty!!!!



*sigh*:stwmean:
If I knew that this unjustified persecution (aka wagon) would persist into the next phase then Id have helped town out myself earlier, and let town focus somewhere else sooner (& let Fluffy go on w/ his antics).

Last time I'll address the 'case' Renata pointed out.You should see why I have reason to be concerned (of the trend) back then and the need to put G_E back into the spotlight.(& I've already posted my view on G_E's 'reveal')

Other points to consider:
a) I was active much of the end of the day, but never did a vote to preserve myself. Should give you an idea of how 'important' I think of my own survival / role (of w/c I've hinted on already in a post, and to someone who inquired in private)
b) noone really put any effort to defend me or persistently try to throw suspicion somewhere else, considering the not solid at all case placed against me. Moot, if there were actually damning evidence against me.

Misc. tidbit you may want to consider
Wouldn’t scum prefer to keep fluffy around than vote him off (& thus focus on me), considering he has no intention whatsoever to analyze or contribute productively in any discussion (& even admitted to it). So instead of focusing on the fluffy wagon, try to check the ones jumping on mine.

Blah blah blah blah blah scum.


Vote: glyphz
should have done this last round. Though I'm still open to switch to another, preferablt TLD, if someone decides to start a late trend.

Hold on, what's all this then?


Did a double check on the tally, looks good. 40 minutes left.


Glyphz 7 (Glyphz, Renata, Believer, dcmort, chaotix, johnhughtom, Romanic)
ATPG 5 (woad&fangs, Yaropolk, Khazaar, warman, Earthling)
TheLastDays 3(Choxorn, DiY, Riedquat)
Woad&fangs 3 (Diamondey, ATPG, Seon)
Seon 1 (TLD)
Romanic 1 (Zack)
Double A (GH)
White eyes (Secura)
Beskar 1 (Beskar)(
Zack 1 (Classical Hero)

Oooooh what's that? PIZZA THE ALTERNATIVE LYNCH????


Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy

You enormous bleepity bleep!


Why?


Why not?

And so this shall be the reason that glyphz dies!

THE REASON SHALL BE THE SAME!

BWAHAHAAHAAAAAAA


WHY THE :daisy: NOT! :laugh4:



unvote; vote ATPG

This reasonless vote is scummy!



Won't even let me die when I want to...:sweatdrop:

So be it.

Play on, it is.


HE WANTS TO DIE!!!

GRANT HIS FINAL WISH!!!! :evil:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Glyphz said he was just a vanilla townie; he's not. He was active last night.

Also, I'm not sure which night you're referring to as night three, since it was a night start, but I was NOT active that night regardless of which one it was. Here are my actions:

-- scan xxxxx (inactive) [Someone knows who this was, but I see no point in giving the identity of a probable townie in public.]
-- scan God Emperor (active)
-- missed order deadline
-- tried to scan glyphz, was roleblocked
-- tried to scan glyphz, was roleblocked [Supposedly a different player from the first, if that can be believed.]
-- scan glyphz (active)

I seem to have been the target of just about very single mafia, cult, third party and townie power out there, short of the killers. It's been charming, let me tell you.

glyphz was saved twice by late bandwagons. One was led by Romanic, who was acting entirely too smug about *something* for a while there, before he got night killed. The other was contributed to by Earthling, who -- whatever he was and whatever his intentions in protecting several players -- was certainly no townie (black blood?) Whatever I'm onto doesn't appear to be the mafia (hence the "interesting" comment to Earthling), but it's something.

Like I've said, lynch me first if you have to. I'm not living much longer anyway. Just lynch glyphz next.
I still claim to be a normal expendable townie, & thought I've showed it as much as I could back in D3 & D4, esp. D4. (Ya know, deciding to vote myself off w/ less than an hour to go, w/ me in the lead and all. What I would call a 'sincere' and authentic self-vote, compared to the ones I've seen recently...)

Someone was nice enough to tell me in private, that I've been blocked for a number of nights (don't know w/c specifically), & visited by multiple people in another.
Reading your post, I thought at first that it was you, and that you're w/ them. But from the look of things, you aren't w/ them.

vote: Renata

edit: as for 'scan glyphz (active),' I'm assuming I was targeted by multiple people last night, and that reflected on the return PM from 'khaan.
FYI, I've gotten nothing from khaan about what happened to me last night.


There's also this thing.

I dunno what it means.

Maybe it means the glyphz is a lie....

[Earthling]

If the game is continuing in any way the host really should give notice and a reasonable extension to when the next deadline ought to be (say starting a 24 hour timer fresh as again, there was none before). Considering the pattern of past extensions everyone should have a fair chance to get their say, if we are still in an endgame where it matters.

[Choxorn]

Pizza, I love your cheesy goodness so much. :love:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, I love your cheesy goodness so much. :love:

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/Misc/Chess/CheesiestHeader.jpg

[glyphz]

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
I don't know... Cheezy pizza is so good only when fresh.
Cold, stale (dead) cheese pizza leaves a bad taste and an upset stomach
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
*insert pic of old moldy pizza here*
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Yet I never learn and wouldn't refuse a slice of pizza when there's a game
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

ME NO LIE, PIZZA! ME NO LIE!
in this game at least... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

[Major Robert Dump]

That was quite an epic case there ATPG, you even managed to squeeze out a pooping taco.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That was quite an epic case there ATPG, you even managed to squeeze out a pooping taco.

See figure 1.a: Ice cream :daisy: taco.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/Misc/Chess/taco.jpg

[Askthepizzaguy]

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

Near as I can tell, this is Morse code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:International_Morse_Code.svg).

Near as I can figure, your spacing is just off a bit, and you're typing the number "5" over and over again.

As such, you are the "number 5" killer from Capo III reborn.

J'accuse scumbag!


Either that, or you're typing the letter "S" over and over, in which case it will make a hissing noise.

Snakes make hissing noises. If you read your Bible, the snake is the enemy of mankind.

Thus, you are the devil.

J'accuse satan!

[seireikhaan]

In an unmarked house, buried away from the main street in a dark alley, a man rapped his knuckles on a wooden door. "Please..... come in," a female voice announced from inside. He pushed the door open and walked slowly into a dark room, closing the door behind him. The room was lit only by a pair of candles at the rear. In between them, sitting on a wicker chair. "It is good of you to volunteer for this sacred duty, Major. This is, after all, only the beginning." Major Robert Dump bowed his head.

"It is as you wish, my Lady." She held her right hand up, palm facing upwards. A navy mist began to fill the room. MRD felt his throat clench up, and he began to cough uncontrollably. He could feel something warm and coppery in his mouth. His knees buckled, and he keeled over on his face, coughing up blood without relent. He managed to lift his head up for a final glance at her. She was glowing a light blue all around, striking a contrast with her crimson eyes. With her hand still held aloft, she clenched it into a fist. MRD felt an agony unlike any before sear through his chest. He writhed on the floor for a couple seconds before laying still, his fit of coughing having subsided. The woman stood up from her chair.

"Most generous, gallant sir," she said the limp body. "Now, I must insist you leave. Afraid you'll stink up the place." With a flick of her wrist, the door opened, and MRD's body went flying through the doorway, into the street.






Alive: 7


Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Classical Hero
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Riedquat
Warman



Killed: 18

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)
TheLastDays (N12)
Major Robert Dump (N13)


Lynched: 12

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)
Chaotix (D12)

WoK: 4

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus
dcmort

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Glyphz

[TheLastDays]

Yes, that's a mighty nice cult you have there. TLD out.

[Beskar]

Vote: glyphz

[Riedquat]

Vote: glyphz

[TheLastDays]

How interesting. I really didn't see this coming.

[classical_hero]

vote:Glyphz

[TheLastDays]

vote:Glyphz

Really? O.O

[Chaotix]

Dohohohoho.

"Kill the cult before you kill Hades," I says. Nobody listens.

"There are more important people to lynch than me," I says. Nobody listens.

And look where that got you! Now you're chest-deep in cult, with no fiery black sword guy to kill them for you! What a shame.

You cultists did a fine job of making the town your whipping-boys, there. But now it seems ALL of you are going to pay the price. Now, Miss Ishtar's gonna kill you real good, and I bet the cultists all know who she is, but can't vote for her because they're too far in love with her.

You guys have to lynch her for real today, otherwise she'll make all of you her slaves and then turn you into human sacrifices. You got duped. But personally, I'd like to see her win. She did better than me, after all. She deserves it.

[Choxorn]

Okay, now I'm confused. Is Ishtar killing her own Cult now, or something?

[Chaotix]

Haven't you guys ever heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh?

Ishtar kills ALL her lovers. ALL of them. And the ones she doesn't kill, she turns into goats. Or cows.

So let me ask you, townies. Would you rather die, or live the rest of your life as a goat? If you ask nicely, she might even let you choose!

[Zack]

Haven't you guys ever heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh?

Ishtar kills ALL her lovers. ALL of them. And the ones she doesn't kill, she turns into goats. Or cows.
So we all turn into Beefy187?

Cool! Where do I sign?

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Glyphz

[Death is yonder]

Chaotix is trying hard, evidently this means that there is still a scumbag teammate somewhere that he's trying to somehow support.

Thanks for telling us Chaotix! :beam:

[Major Robert Dump]

That was all part of the plan

[Ironside]

Dohohohoho.

"Kill the cult before you kill Hades," I says. Nobody listens.

"There are more important people to lynch than me," I says. Nobody listens.

And look where that got you! Now you're chest-deep in cult, with no fiery black sword guy to kill them for you! What a shame.


For curiousity, who would you have killed tonight if you didn't get lynched? I mean, if you didn't kill the correct target this time as well, the discussion is irrelevant and the town lost days ago anyway.

For example, had you died early enough, the cult would not been dominating yet, even if such role is quite hard to root out late game (it's a luck role, more based on the risk that the mafia kills you than that the town finds you).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Haven't you guys ever heard of the Epic of Gilgamesh?

Ishtar kills ALL her lovers. ALL of them. And the ones she doesn't kill, she turns into goats. Or cows.

So let me ask you, townies. Would you rather die, or live the rest of your life as a goat? If you ask nicely, she might even let you choose!

You make several excellent points. :book:

A quick rebuttal, if I may? :bow:





MOOOOOOOOOOO

[glyphz]

Dear cult recruits,

Just to let you know that if your aim this day phase is to take out the recently active killer (& not take out the remaining townies, or if your victory is already assured), then you're currently on the wrong track by lynching me, and you'll find soon enough w/ another kill write-up at the end of the next night.

I suggest, that is if this message isn't falling onto deaf ears (or blind eyes?), that you switch your vote on another player whom you know has not been recruited yet.
Or in a clever twist, lynch whoever is your cult leader, or maybe perhaps your fellow recruited power role, as he may very well be playing w/ you all, it being a nasty surprise by the host.

Regards, the guy who acted too suicidal to be anti-town

[glyphz]

Mmmmm...

Vote: Beskar

I'm assuming he ain't one of you recruits, but I'm open to suggestions

[TheLastDays]

The killer is obviously their cult leader and it seems they're fine with what's happening, just removing any final opposition :wink:

[Earthling]

Yeah, there are no non-town, non-cult roles unaccounted for. It's just the cult leader and they're eliminating everyone non-cult.

This would be an awesome serial killer victory if that's what we get, all the cultists slaughtered as well, but not sure what's going to happen. Not looking at all like a town victory.

I think the ultimate problem we had was that while several vanilla townies definitely did great, we only had two town power roles who accomplished anything at all. I think it's likely traitorix was a town vig too but he died most unfortunately right at the start, removing the only tool the town ever seemed to have against the cult.

After that, any other townies must have been inactive or didn't use their abilities to any good effect that anyone has heard of, plus so many people seemed to be straight out neutral and they all seemed to want to use their abilities against, rather than with the town. 2 town roles versus a good dozen non-town roles and most of them power roles too just doesn't work, but we came surprisingly close. (Of course, I think we'll probably see things were pretty balanced in the end, and just massive inactivity plus some fail play by true neutrals resulted in the above)

[Earthling]

Actually not giving Believer credit that's due. Sorry. While he might have been neutral, the role meant to cause chaos and busdriver or whatever, we appreciate the effort to help the town anyway.

[White_eyes:D]

Dohohohoho.

"Kill the cult before you kill Hades," I says. Nobody listens.

"There are more important people to lynch than me," I says. Nobody listens.

You cultists did a fine job of making the town your whipping-boys, there. But now it seems ALL of you are going to pay the price. Now, Miss Ishtar's gonna kill you real good, and I bet the cultists all know who she is, but can't vote for her because they're too far in love with her.

You guys have to lynch her for real today, otherwise she'll make all of you her slaves and then turn you into human sacrifices. You got duped. But personally, I'd like to see her win. She did better than me, after all. She deserves it.

Chaotix, I love ya but your sucking all the energy out of the room. This is a great day for cultists everywhere, all 5-6 of them. They all get to die horribly for no reason other then to appease a slighted lover.:eyebrows:

I would pull out the popcorn right about now.:smoking:

[seireikhaan]

Apologies, but I am in desperate need of Z's, writeup will be in about 4 to 5 hours.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I missed the day vote by a couple hours..... :sad :sad:


Good write up Khaany.

[seireikhaan]

"So no, pumpkin," the old man answered. "When they convened once more and another was gone from their ranks, an irate Mainyu demanded they find the one responsible. But, this time, it seemed those remaining were not keen for debate. A relatively quiet, quick run of votes against Glyphz assured his demise, with seemingly little doubt from the crowd that it was he who was guilty. Unlike previous, there was no arguments over previous behavior or any leads into his activities at night or anything of the sort. Just short, simple, quick acknowledgements that they wanted him to be held before their lord. Glyphz, to his credit, seemed to recognize his impending doom and only offered a little resistance."

"Wouldn't he defend himself more if he was the bad guy?"

"Oh, not always. Some people find it suspicious to be frantic in your defense. Others find it more suspicious when they seem to not resist enough. It really is quite a bind for when people found themselves accused by the crowd. Anyways, at the end of the day, at the ring of the great bell, he was dragged before their lord by the remaining crowd. Mainyu peered at the crowd as they stood gathered, solemnly around Glyphz. Then to Glyphz, then back to the crowd. It was as though Mainyu peered into the collective soul of the group, and something was just a bit off. Regardless, he had committed himself to this path. He would not deviate, not back down, not retreat. And so he accepted the sword offered to him by a kneeling servant, and ended Glyphz with two quick strokes. As they departed, Mainyu offered no words of encouragement no rally cry of survival and conquest. Instead, he allowed a single look to indicate their time was done for now. With his silent approval, the remaining crowd funneled out of the throne room, silently into the night...."


Glyphz 5 (Johnhughthom, Beskar, Riedquat, Classical Hero, Captain Blackadder
Beskar 1 (Glyphz)

Not Voting 1 (Warman)





Alive: 6


Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Classical Hero
Johnhughthom
Riedquat
Warman



Killed: 18

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)
TheLastDays (N12)
Major Robert Dump (N13)


Lynched: 13

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)
Chaotix (D12)
Glyphz (D13)

WoK: 4

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus
dcmort

[TheLastDays]

Yea sounds good, really sounds like a town victory we're about to see /sarcasm.

Guys, whoever you are, Ishtar is tricking you. I don't know if you still have the possibility to decide for yourselves but I'd guess you do, otherwise the game wouldn't keep running. Think about it.

[Chaotix]

Nah. Everyone who's been converted is a lost cause already, TLD.

I'm pretty sure that was the last day for you regular townies to win the game for yourselves and your misguided cult brethren.

Now that Ishtar has a majority of you under her sway, she can sacrifice cultists by night and force you to lynch townies by day. It really is a brilliant plan. I'm glad you all fell for it.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Nah. Everyone who's been converted is a lost cause already, TLD.

I'm pretty sure that was the last day for you regular townies to win the game for yourselves and your misguided cult brethren.

Now that Ishtar has a majority of you under her sway, she can sacrifice cultists by night and force you to lynch townies by day. It really is a brilliant plan. I'm glad you all fell for it.

I didn't fall for anything. I'm just happy to still be alive in game :laugh: :laugh:.

[Tratorix]

So, if there aren't enough townies to form a majority shouldn't this be a Cult/Ishtar win then? The game wouldn't be still going if one side had a guaranteed win.

[Beskar]

So, if there aren't enough townies to form a majority shouldn't this be a Cult/Ishtar win then? The game wouldn't be still going if one side had a guaranteed win.

Not all scum are Night Killers and then they don't have to send in Night Orders.

There is one lurking around some where and as it has been argued before, they could have infiltrated the cult by being scum in the first place or recruited out of the cult (ie: Andres).

Either way, the normal recruited cultists still win even if Ishtar was the last person standing as indicated by the victory conditions. So trying to persuade people to jeopardise their own victories is a fool's errand at best. Even if the non-cultists wasn't aware, Ishtar has made their ability pretty evident near the start of the cult and has gone into great detail about it. The ability you saw in the write-up was a self-protect ability which requires a life of a cultist to fuel (which empowers Ishtar with the blue glow which then can be used to fight off Hades and his kin) as we are unaware of the abilities of the scum and that Ishtar's life could be in danger, Major Robert Dump willing put his own name forward. He wasn't tricked, duped or similar, he requested it, which in hindsight is probably a fishy move because if he was scum, it could have been a trap to trick Ishtar and get her while she is vulnerable.

The host Khaan has made it clear in private message that there is still scum in the game, hence why the game hasn't ended. Cult's victory is as mentioned before is remove the scum from the game and ensure the survival of the cult. Since the survival of the cult is keeping Ishtar alive and since Ishtar is not scum, both victory conditions can be met at the same time which has been clarified.

Since there is a lurking scum hiding away which Chaotix and his friends most likely know about (Chaotix spoke of some one assisting him as an argument of why Hades didn't attack him last phase), it is this assistant which needs to be removed from the game.

Also: Pizza made a very nice case against glyphz, it was pretty much a case of "Let's lynch him" there was no need of public discussion since the dead people are not helpful anyway See: Earthling, Chaotix and the other scummers who are the only ones pretty much talking when others like Death is Yonder, Major Robert Dump, and others with information know the situation agree with the methods being used.

[classical_hero]

This is a surprise.