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Other suspects can wait, your comment seemed like it was intended to induce discrediting of Earthling's remark that glyphz should not be lynched,
You got that right.
Other suspects can wait, your comment seemed like it was intended to induce discrediting of Earthling's remark that glyphz should not be lynched,
You got that right.
Diamondeye
08-14-2011, 16:01
Renata, are you voting for yourself?
Also, Unvote; Vote: Glyphz. Trusting Renata on this one (if I understand what is going on).
No, I'm not voting for myself, having trouble with site hangups, thought I'd deleted (and then edited) that. It was from DiY's post.
Also, it's Sunday; unless khaan extends the deadline again I will probably not be around again before then.
Vote: GH
For messing with the write-ups intentionally.
Riedquat
08-14-2011, 17:33
Vote: GH
For messing with the write-ups intentionally.
:laugh4:
So the options for today are Glyphz again, TLD again or fresh new Renata?
Scummy White_Eyes still figuring in the alive players...
Vote: Glyphz
Also, I'm not sure which night you're referring to as night three, since it was a night start, but I was NOT active that night regardless of which one it was.
It was the night phase that started around the 4th August; I refer to it as N3 because that's what Romanic called it.
Here are my actions:
So basically, you're saying that you're an activity tracker as well? Why would there be so many of them in the game... unless you're an independent role?
I seem to have been the target of just about very single mafia, cult, third party and townie power out there, short of the killers.
You were not tracked by choice; as I said, Zack was the original target and the action was deflected to you. I suspected a bus driver somewhere.
was certainly no townie (black blood?)
Where does it suggest that the black liquid is Earthling's blood rather than, as I suspect, a symptom of the attacker wounding him?
Glyphz said he was just a vanilla townie; he's not. He was active last night.
Also, I'm not sure which night you're referring to as night three, since it was a night start, but I was NOT active that night regardless of which one it was. Here are my actions:
-- scan xxxxx (inactive) [Someone knows who this was, but I see no point in giving the identity of a probable townie in public.]
-- scan God Emperor (active)
-- missed order deadline
-- tried to scan glyphz, was roleblocked
-- tried to scan glyphz, was roleblocked [Supposedly a different player from the first, if that can be believed.]
-- scan glyphz (active)
I seem to have been the target of just about very single mafia, cult, third party and townie power out there, short of the killers. It's been charming, let me tell you.
glyphz was saved twice by late bandwagons. One was led by Romanic, who was acting entirely too smug about *something* for a while there, before he got night killed. The other was contributed to by Earthling, who -- whatever he was and whatever his intentions in protecting several players -- was certainly no townie (black blood?) Whatever I'm onto doesn't appear to be the mafia (hence the "interesting" comment to Earthling), but it's something.
Like I've said, lynch me first if you have to. I'm not living much longer anyway. Just lynch glyphz next.
I still claim to be a normal expendable townie, & thought I've showed it as much as I could back in D3 & D4, esp. D4. (Ya know, deciding to vote myself off w/ less than an hour to go, w/ me in the lead and all. What I would call a 'sincere' and authentic self-vote, compared to the ones I've seen recently...)
Someone was nice enough to tell me in private, that I've been blocked for a number of nights (don't know w/c specifically), & visited by multiple people in another.
Reading your post, I thought at first that it was you, and that you're w/ them. But from the look of things, you aren't w/ them.
vote: Renata
edit: as for 'scan glyphz (active),' I'm assuming I was targeted by multiple people last night, and that reflected on the return PM from 'khaan.
FYI, I've gotten nothing from khaan about what happened to me last night.
GeneralHankerchief
08-14-2011, 18:10
I don't know when the round is going to end. khaan said he'd be back to normal sometime today though.
Since I'm completely out of the loop in this game, I don't really have much of my own observations to add and it really comes down to a (no pun intended) he said/she said game for me. Well, screw that, I'm going to vote for someone who has flown way under the radar instead.
Vote: autolycus
Tally:
Renata: 7 - Captain Blackadder, Secura, johnhughthom, Yaropolk, Deathisyonder, TLD, glyphz
glyphz: 5 - Renata, Believer, dcmort93, Diamondeye, Riedquat
TheLastDays: 3 - Choxorn, ELITEWARMAN..., robbiecon
GeneralHankerchief: - Chaotix
autolycus: - GH
*double-checking*
edit: done
I´ll Vote: Glyphz for the scanners sake...
classical_hero
08-14-2011, 18:32
Are both of them townies? Renata and Glphyz? I do no like what is happening between the two of you. Vote:Choxorn for lack of what I see is a valid candidate.
Ironside
08-14-2011, 18:41
Assuming that glyphz is lying, then jht is his scumbuddy.
Jht has voted for glyphz at the start and then critically shifted the vote twice.
This is a mess though, trusting scan results also gives that GE and White_Eyes were active. That's definitly meaning that we're hitting some kind of (untownish) neutrals in the activity scans as well.
johnhughthom
08-14-2011, 18:56
Gah, people are capitsing the j when my name is acronymed now...
Ironside
08-14-2011, 19:10
Gah, people are capitsing the j when my name is acronymed now...
First word in sentence habit. ~:pat:
No comment on your vote switches?
Personal guess is that this is some kind of neutrals and that the White_Eyes trail is the mafia trail (based on the drop on the number of kills).
Of course I'm biased towards my own cases though.
johnhughthom
08-14-2011, 19:44
The vote switch on to pizza when he got killed was just to see how people responded, provoke a reaction, I didn't expect him to be lynched. I can't remember the other one, probably the same reason.
Earthling
08-14-2011, 20:01
Wasn't expecting things to develop like they did today but it's even more obvious Renata is a good lynch now. Anyone voting third candidates would do well to switch over.
The rest of this is directed at and about Axeguy, I'm assuming he'll catch on as he seems to have followed town discussion in the past. For that matter since he targeted Zack N3 in the writeup that could explain other people's claimed unexpected results there, we'd probably have to find who Axeguy is and ask him to be sure.
Without giving up anything about himself we know Axeguy can read the thread just as we've read the writeups about him thus far. So, it seems Axeguy can kill every other night which means he's up again tonight. At least so far I would say his attempts have been generally pro-town too, especially going after Double A who lots of people easily had as a suspect the last time. If he is town aligned or is a neutral who wants to help the town he would do well to follow the same pattern again tonight, and try to get rid of someone we all know is suspicious and likely to waste the town's time even if not one of the main mafia.
Given today's lynch and other developments, Axeguy should settle TheLastDays once and for all.
Whatever Axeguy is, he ought to be able to kill basic human townies. So if TLD is town, he just dies and that's done, no more distractions and bad votes. If he's not a regular human and survives that'll be about enough proof already that he's not town, without wasting other people's actions.
That said Axeguy might not be quite willing enough to attempt that hit for whatever reason (if he's not town) but still it would benefit us to have his cooperation. So if he just won't go after TLD I'll give a second recommendation anyway, so there's no confusion or backing out, which would be Diamondeye.
Now that that's all clear, Axeguy, if you attack a third different person without extensively justifying it, having revealed yourself to a bunch of others or in thread or something, the town should take that as an anti-town move. Pretty cut and dry.
I'm back!
Vote: Beskar until I catch-up with the game so I can actually make a decent vote.
TheLastDays
08-14-2011, 20:30
Wasn't expecting things to develop like they did today but it's even more obvious Renata is a good lynch now. Anyone voting third candidates would do well to switch over.
The rest of this is directed at and about Axeguy, I'm assuming he'll catch on as he seems to have followed town discussion in the past. For that matter since he targeted Zack N3 in the writeup that could explain other people's claimed unexpected results there, we'd probably have to find who Axeguy is and ask him to be sure.
Without giving up anything about himself we know Axeguy can read the thread just as we've read the writeups about him thus far. So, it seems Axeguy can kill every other night which means he's up again tonight. At least so far I would say his attempts have been generally pro-town too, especially going after Double A who lots of people easily had as a suspect the last time. If he is town aligned or is a neutral who wants to help the town he would do well to follow the same pattern again tonight, and try to get rid of someone we all know is suspicious and likely to waste the town's time even if not one of the main mafia.
Given today's lynch and other developments, Axeguy should settle TheLastDays once and for all.
Whatever Axeguy is, he ought to be able to kill basic human townies. So if TLD is town, he just dies and that's done, no more distractions and bad votes. If he's not a regular human and survives that'll be about enough proof already that he's not town, without wasting other people's actions.
That said Axeguy might not be quite willing enough to attempt that hit for whatever reason (if he's not town) but still it would benefit us to have his cooperation. So if he just won't go after TLD I'll give a second recommendation anyway, so there's no confusion or backing out, which would be Diamondeye.
Now that that's all clear, Axeguy, if you attack a third different person without extensively justifying it, having revealed yourself to a bunch of others or in thread or something, the town should take that as an anti-town move. Pretty cut and dry.
You know what makes people vote you? It's the arrogance with which you go about things. YOU dictate what's the right targets and if axeguy doesn't attack these he's clearly anti town? This has nothing to do with me being one of your targets. Believe it or not, I'd say the same if I wasn't.
So much for that.
Alright, well IF I get killed tonight I'd want to warn everyone about trusting axeguy. Third parties don't exactly have a record of being trustworthy in Netherworld.
Wasn't expecting things to develop like they did today but it's even more obvious Renata is a good lynch now. Anyone voting third candidates would do well to switch over.
Earthling, I'm genuinedly interested in your reasoning for voting Renata. Whether your textwalls are annoying or not, you usually have a decent analysis.
Secura appears to be voting for Renata because she thinks she was metagamed, and she wanted to know what Renata's actions were. Apparently Renata is a scanner (or claims to be one), but that hasn't stopped everyone else from hopping on a bandwagon.
So what makes Renata a good choice for the lynch? Why is she a better candidate than glyphz? Because, as far as I can tell, this lynch is about whether we trust one's word or the other's, because one of them has to be lying. But from where I'm standing, it looks like neither of them are guilty if they've been roleblocked and incapable of killing for several nights.
unvote; vote: Renata
I have been lead to believe that Renata isn't part of the town faction, so either independent or mafia.
Which are you?
Secura appears to be voting for Renata because she thinks she was metagamed, and she wanted to know what Renata's actions were. Apparently Renata is a scanner (or claims to be one), but that hasn't stopped everyone else from hopping on a bandwagon.
So what makes Renata a good choice for the lynch? Why is she a better candidate than glyphz? Because, as far as I can tell, this lynch is about whether we trust one's word or the other's, because one of them has to be lying. But from where I'm standing, it looks like neither of them are guilty if they've been roleblocked and incapable of killing for several nights.Renata says that she scans. It looks like she did not scan White_eyes:D.
Secura confirms that Renata was not the one who scanned White_eyes:D, and thinks not too highly of which faction she's w/.
I have to come to a similar conclusion as well.
Renata says that she scans. It looks like she did not scan White_eyes:D.
Secura confirms that Renata was not the one who scanned White_eyes:D, and thinks not too highly of which faction she's w/.
I have to come to a similar conclusion as well.
Well, I'm not inclined to listen to much of what you say until you admit that you were active at night, whether publicly or privately.
I have no doubt that you're not a killer, but still. I have no reason to believe that Renata is not a scanner, beyond WIFOM arguments.
Secura confirms that Renata was not the one who scanned White_eyes:D, and thinks not too highly of which faction she's w/.
I didn't debate whether she tracked WE or not, merely that her alignment should be questioned if she is making such a claim.
I didn't debate whether she tracked WE or not, merely that her alignment should be questioned if she is making such a claim.sorry.
what I meant was your earlier statement confirmed it for me that Renata was not the one who checked WE_:D.
As for the matter of multiple scanners, I have reason to believe Renata is not of the pro-town kind, but a 3rd-party, at worse scum (esp. since you're not aware of each other).
dcmort93
08-14-2011, 22:09
I'm moving up to Indiana from Texas tomorrow for school, so I will be with limited internet access. I'll try my best to keep pu with the thread on my phone and when I get there, but I make no promises. I should be back Tuesday night.
Yaropolk
08-14-2011, 22:12
Here is some food for thought: I had Glyphz blocked on Nights 2, 4, and 5, initially because I thought he was the Axe guy. This means he cannot possibly be the Axe guy, the pearly wings lady, the scarlet dress lady, or the green robe guy. I was 100% sure he was innocent so tonight he went unblocked and the dark sword killer showed up.
Glyphz swore up and down via PM that he's a plain vanilla townie. Yet I have a claim from white_eyes (who claimed to be Prometheus, a vote switcher) that his power failed to work on Glyphz, and now Renata claims he's active.
This means either glyphz is lying about being a vanilla townie and is either the black sword killer or some other role. Or both Renata and White_Eyes are lying / mistaken.
I'll take my chances with voting off glyphz, and if dark sword killer shows up, Renata is next.
On a more personal note, Earthling, my protector was killed off last night. If any other doctors are out there, I would appreciate some coverage.
Yaropolk
08-14-2011, 22:12
Almost forgot:
unvote; vote: glyphz
Here is some food for thought: I had Glyphz blocked on Nights 2, 4, and 5, initially because I thought he was the Axe guy. This means he cannot possibly be the Axe guy, the pearly wings lady, the scarlet dress lady, or the green robe guy. I was 100% sure he was innocent so tonight he went unblocked and the dark sword killer showed up.
Glyphz swore up and down via PM that he's a plain vanilla townie. Yet I have a claim from white_eyes (who claimed to be Prometheus, a vote switcher) that his power failed to work on Glyphz, and now Renata claims he's active.
This means either glyphz is lying about being a vanilla townie and is either the black sword killer or some other role. Or both Renata and White_Eyes are lying / mistaken.
I'll take my chances with voting off glyphz, and if dark sword killer shows up, Renata is next.
On a more personal note, Earthling, my protector was killed off last night. If any other doctors are out there, I would appreciate some coverage.
This is the best case I've seen so far.
Unvote, Vote: glyphz
Here is some food for thought: I had Glyphz blocked on Nights 2, 4, and 5, initially because I thought he was the Axe guy. This means he cannot possibly be the Axe guy, the pearly wings lady, the scarlet dress lady, or the green robe guy. I was 100% sure he was innocent so tonight he went unblocked and the dark sword killer showed up.
Glyphz swore up and down via PM that he's a plain vanilla townie. Yet I have a claim from white_eyes (who claimed to be Prometheus, a vote switcher) that his power failed to work on Glyphz, and now Renata claims he's active.
This means either glyphz is lying about being a vanilla townie and is either the black sword killer or some other role. Or both Renata and White_Eyes are lying / mistaken.
I'll take my chances with voting off glyphz, and if dark sword killer shows up, Renata is next.
On a more personal note, Earthling, my protector was killed off last night. If any other doctors are out there, I would appreciate some coverage.I'm vanilla as vanilla gets.
:wall:
Dude, you need to get more info/confirmation & have your bases covered, before you jump into a conclusion and stick your neck out like that...
Just because a new killer (flame guy) showed up the night I was not blocked does not mean I'm it (&you just said I can't be any of the other killers). This killer looks important. Do you think I'd act the way I did D3 & D4, and try to help lynch myself, if I were the flame killer?
Do you know what night WE:D made an action on me?
Was it on a night you blocked me as well?
Can there be other roles that we're not aware of that could cause the mess we've had. You know well I'm pretty popular night action target.
Are you sure Renata ain't lying or scum? I'm sure you, yourself was not aware of Renata's scan power, esp. when you're aware of someone else being able to scan?
You thought she may well be third party (you voted her yourself).
If you think both lynch candidates are possible scum, you don't need to reveal just yet. (at least, have one of us lynched today, and encourage others to vote off the other the next day.)
You just revealed yourself on a possibility not an assured find, and on a townie no less.:no:
What a fiasco this is...
*sigh*
Earthling
08-14-2011, 22:43
I have no reason to believe that Renata is not a scanner, beyond WIFOM arguments.
Renata is basically guaranteed to be lying about how she was roleblocked, targeted by a cult, and other events she claimed happened to her. Especially scummy is that she directly claimed she was not active when she was scanned active according to others, so you'd have to say that not only glyphz is lying but Secura as well, or else disbelieve previous results on people like fluffy and white_eyes which are again claimed due to a second non-Renata, scanner.
So at best you could Renata might be a scanner, and neutral, but she really can't be a second town-aligned scanner identical to another town-aligned scanner that already provided pretty much verified results.
It is worth noting she really has claimed almost nothing at all that actually indicates she is a really a scanner anyway! A shame none of the living seem to have brought this up yet but everything Renata claimed could easily, easily be sponging some ally's info or lying to the town. We have a refusal to claim a couple of scans or she says she missed orders, the scan on God Emperor is ridiculously easy to fake because just about everyone would agree he was an active scum by now. Furthermore, her behavior is extremely contradictory to believing that God Emperor was a scum - if Renata had certain proof she herself had seen and knew GE was a scum, why did she not follow up on supporters and possible allies of GE in any future actions or lynches?
So in the end, the only thing with any meaning Renata claims she's done the entire game is scan glyphz, who is conveniently her rival for a lynch today.
Regarding the cult business as an addendum, it's both worth discussing and pointing out we probably have little reason to believe a cult exists now. Apart from one writeup, they haven't shown back up and the vote progression doesn't seem to indicate enough activity given the size the cult wuld be expected to be. Vote-switching seems like a better explanation now for the one person "seduced" N3, and anyone who still believes otherwise should provide much better explanation, but that's just food for thought.
Earthling
08-14-2011, 22:59
I'll take my chances with voting off glyphz, and if dark sword killer shows up, Renata is next.
This is a really inefficient way to go about things. As you said, the roleblocks if true pretty much exonerate glyphz from being nearly every scum killer out there. Just because he wasn't blocked last night doesn't guarantee he's the new killer, that is certainly a poor assumption to make.
But even if you really think this needs following up, the correct answer is to not kill glyphz yet but roleblock him again, or send Axeguy after him or something like that. I suppose if glyphz really worries that many townies so much that they are likely to try to lynch him again then he could also be a good call for Axeguy, but anyway that would save the town from wasting lynches and other townie's night actions.
If he's roleblocked or caught up with Axeguy or whatever and the killer shows back up, glyphz is clear for good.
And if the dark sword killer is tries to frame glyphz he'd have to not send in kills of his own which is also a massive benefit to the town! Whereas killing glyphz if he is a townie now wastes a day and the real killer could be anyone out there.
Also, there's one more good reason to get rid of Renata today. We collectively really need to obtain solid proof of what the writeup looks like when a known neutral is lynched. See khaan's post here:
I won't reveal if a major town role was lynched, and I generally won't reveal whether a mafioso was lynched until its the last one. Note that this game could, possibly, seem to run differently than that, based on player actions. Neutral roles I will always show as having been "different".
So far we have, with what's pretty certain about alignments
Arjos (townie) - immediate execution, no details
God Emperor (mafia) - immediate execution, no details
fluffy (non-basic townie due to night activity) - execution with speech/weirdness, indicates neutral?
ATPG (unknown) - execution with speech/weirdness
white_eyes (non-basic townie due to night activity) - silent before his execution but more extensive writeup
glyphz is right about him being roleblocked not meaning anything.
If the mafia can perform 1-2 kills per night and get to pick the killer, then it makes sense that we will see a new killer after getting a mafia - I'm assuming White Eyes was mafia here, signs are good about it.
Again, you should be listening to Secura - She lead you to WE, and she was immediately attacked for it. I really can't see why you wouldn't lynch Renata here. Her explanation/claim is unacceptable, if Secura says Renata was active, and she denies it, then someone is lying and it must be Renata.
Also, and this is important, when she is Town, Renata is everywhere in the thread, looking for scum. Believe me, she's not the same Renata here. She isn't really looking for scum.
Lynch here please.
Riedquat
08-14-2011, 23:19
unvote; vote: Renata
GeneralHankerchief
08-15-2011, 00:31
Okay, I'll trust Romanic on this one, since it's clear that auto is MIA anyway.
Unvote: autolycus
Vote: Renata
seireikhaan
08-15-2011, 01:00
Apologies for my absence. Big thanks to GH for saving the writeup from formatting hell. Round will go another two hours, and then voting will be closed.
Vote: Renata
Sorry, I've been gone all weekend.
I don't really have time to catch up, but it seems someone thought I was the same scanner as who scanned white_eyes? I'm not.
Glyphz was active. He's lying, or some non-town power is messing with me. (The result actually said "glyphz was active", though.) Based on his behavior thus far, which I would have pointed out earlier if not for trying and failing to get the scan in over and over again, I do think that he is lying. I'll make that case tomorrow if I die and he lives, regardless.
If he is vanilla, there's worse problems out there than me getting lynched instead of him.
Vote: Renata
Sorry, I've been gone all weekend.
Why did a scan aimed at you return a result that looked like it hit me? Or is Secura lying?
Yaropolk
08-15-2011, 01:31
Meh Earthling, you convinced me to give glyphz a chance. Glyphz if you turn out to be scum you're the luckiest scum out there.
Unvote: Glyphz; Vote: Renata
Why did a scan aimed at you return a result that looked like it hit me? Or is Secura lying?
How should I know?
Why did a scan aimed at you return a result that looked like it hit me?
I don't know how it happened (and the result PM insinuates as such), but you were the target of the tracking rather than Zack, and it said that you were active. I'm not allowed to quote the chatlogs/PMs, so that's the best I can say in the confines of the rules.
seireikhaan
08-15-2011, 03:06
Round over, configuring tally.
Renata was lynched. Writeup in progress. Orders may be sent beginning now.
Earthling
08-15-2011, 04:38
If he is vanilla, there's worse problems out there than me getting lynched instead of him.
If this is that big of a deal to multiple people, and glyphz continues to claim he's wholly expendable, I'd say we go for an easy compromise and do something that should be acceptable to everyone. Town has time and lynch opportunies to use elsewhere when we can settle this distraction here.
So I'd say an obvious and easy answer is for Axeguy to attack glyphz.
This is reiterating what I said earlier, but I fail to see how this is generally a bad idea, and people should comment on it anyway. Really living townies should be suggesting ideas for Axeguy regardless (unless that's already sorted out and he revealed in private).
That accomplishes at least 50% of the problem there anyway, even if glyphz dies as a townie, which is to get Axeguy to follow the town's collective advice and not kill purely random people and then see what another Axeguy kill looks like.
Still I think the Renata writeup here will be very interesting.
seireikhaan
08-15-2011, 06:37
"So the story's almost done, granpa?" the girl asked, eyes drooping a bit. "I'm still not tired!"
"Oh, pumpkin, that was just to get daddy off my back," he cautioned, hands raised from his lap. "Of course, I can't tell you when its almost over. That would make the ending boring, wouldn't it?" The girl nodded her head fervently before crouching down into her blankets once more, holding them just over her nose.
"Coming back to Angra Mainyu's great palace, his followers once more claimed certainty in finding one of the secret agents of the Heavens and Netherworld. Once more, a great accusation was leveled by Secura, who was reputed to have narrowly survived an attack the night before. This time, it was pointed at Renata. Renata herself said she witnessed Glyphz stalking the night in an unsavory manner as well. It was tightly contested at first, with both wondering whether it was Glyphz or Renata who presented the true threat. But in the end, a late of surge of support for Secura urged people onwards to voting for Renata. When the sun began to set on the horizon, the bell ringer gave a mighty clang to indicate the time was come for a decision to be made.
'Step forward, Renata and Glyphz,' Mainyu called, standing in front of his golden throne. 'Support for the death of Glyphz?' A relatively small handful of supporters stepped forward. 'Support for the death of Renata?' A much larger group of supporters stepped forward, defiant glares aimed at Renata. 'And so it is. Renata, step forward. Renata aimed a glance at the group, a small raised eyebrow all that indicated displeasure, before advancing before Mainyu. 'Last words?' Renata merely shot a sideways glance once more at the anxious group who had put her forth.
'Fools...'
Mainyu looked displeased at the address, and did not wait for his sword bearer. He raised his hands high, a caustic red lightning filling the air between them. He crashed it down on Renata. On impact, the lightning struck all the way through her, and she disappeared into a fine, crimson mist.
'And on a similar note...' he said, turning back to the crowd. 'Bring me SoulBlade.' He was shuffled forward by a pack of nervous onlookers. 'The glorious future has no place for the idle. You've done not nearly enough to stake your place in my new world.' And so, Mainyu brought down his wrath on SoulBlade, who was likewise vaporized on the spot.
Turning back to his supporters, Mainyu issued them a last farewell for the night. 'Well, fortune on your hunting tonight, my soldiers! I am confident the noose is tightening still!'
Renata 11 (Yaropolk, Zack, GH, Riedquat, Beskar, Captain Blackadder, Secura, johnhughthom, Deathisyonder, TLD, glyphz)
glyphz 6 (Khazaar, Renata, Believer, dcmort93, Diamondeye, choxorn)
TheLastDays: 2 (warman, robbiecon)
Choxorn 1 (Classical Hero)
GeneralHankerchief 1 (Chaotix)
Not voting: SoulBlade, autolycus, woad&fangs, Seon
Alive: 24
Andres
Autolycus
Believer
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Riedquat
Robbiecon
Secura
Seon
SoulBlade
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Zack
Killed: 10
TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Lynched: 6
Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
WoK: 1
SoulBlade
Major Robert Dump
08-15-2011, 07:56
Hi can someone sum up this game for me in 14 words or less? KTHNX
I'm dead. Boo-yeah. Good luck town, I do believe you're gonna need it.
Diamondeye
08-15-2011, 15:45
I'm dead. Boo-yeah. Good luck town, I do believe you're gonna need it.
Is that 14? I think it's an appropriate answer.
It's 14 if "Boo-yeah" is 2 words, 13 if it's only one word.
seireikhaan
08-16-2011, 03:40
20 minutes to get orders in.
seireikhaan
08-16-2011, 05:24
Believer was strolling just outside the great palace, whistling while leisurely tossing an apple in the air at intervals. Believer stopped as the street took a split- one path going left, continuing around the palace, the other snaking off into the city proper. Still whistling, Believer decided on a more direct route, following the palace. But as Believer turned, a flash of light made her pause. Believer paused her whistling, and craned her head back to the other street path. A fiery outline could be seen growing larger, coming closer, down the ally. A small grin overtook Believer's face. A dark figure could be seen underneath the brilliant aura, and the fellow stopped about ten feet short of Believer.
"He he he he... So, what drug you out here?" he asked. "Vengeance, or boredom?"
"A bit of both, naturally," Believer admitted. "It has been quite a trip, I have to say. These fools gathered here have made excellent game," she said, jerking her thumb back at the palace. "Apple?" Believer offered.
The dark figure grinned. "I'll pass. You really should come up with a new trick. No, I think I've spent enough time in idle chatter. Time," he said, drawing a curved blade, dark as night, "To do what I came for." Without another word, he leaped forward. Believer ducked down underneath a sword strike, and rolled to the right. The attacker spun around to his right and brought down a vertical strike which nicked Believer's left leg. Immediately, a corrosive black substance seeped out. Believer got up to flee, but her left leg collapsed, numb, leaving Believer to fall over face first.
"No more," he said, looming over a scrambling Believer. "No more of your games. No more of your treacherous, chaotic behavior. Any last words?" he asked, allowing himself a small grin. Believer got herself up in a sitting position, and spat at his feet. His grin not abating, he swung his sword, left-to-right, slicing deep into Believer's chest. The corrosive black fluid immediately filled the wound and leeched the surrounding torso. "Enjoy your final moments. Revel in the end you know had to come..... fool."
Day 7 Begins now!
Alive: 23
Andres
Autolycus
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Riedquat
Robbiecon
Secura
Seon
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Zack
Killed: 11
TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Lynched: 6
Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
WoK: 1
SoulBlade
Believer
08-16-2011, 05:31
Feel free to revive me anytime.
It appears the dark sword killer struck again tonight. Seeing as he wasn't Renata...
Vote: glyphz, unless he was roleblocked again.
TheLastDays
08-16-2011, 07:33
Revive you? The writeup doesn't exactly sound like you're pro town.
Believer
08-16-2011, 07:34
Revive you? The writeup doesn't exactly sound like you're pro town.
I doubt the mafia has reviving powers, therefore I wasn't talking to you.
TheLastDays
08-16-2011, 07:39
I doubt the mafia has reviving powers, therefore I wasn't talking to you.
Haha, good one but I have limited internet access here so I won't have the time for another round with you. If there's a reviver out there actually pondering to revive Believer please have a look at the writeup. If Believer claims to be a third party but pro town, have a look at Netherworld 1.
Vote: glyphz, unless he was roleblocked again.
Glyphz was inactive last night; whether that's due to a roleblock or not, I do not know.
If I were roleblocked wouldn't that block your scan on me as well, & thus fail?
Waiting for the blocker to confirm.
If I were roleblocked wouldn't that block your scan on me as well, & thus fail?
A roleblock would simply prevent the target from acting at night; therefore, a tracker would find their target to be inactive as they were incapable of doing anything in the first place, rather than there being no result entirely. At least, that's the interpretation of roleblocking I've been using for the last few years.
An inactive result against you suggests that you are either a vanilla townie, a roleblocked power role, a power role that forgot to send an order or a power role that can only act on certain nights. That or a cunning mafia trying to masquerade as one of the above.
Here is some food for thought: I had Glyphz blocked on Nights 2, 4, and 5, initially because I thought he was the Axe guy. This means he cannot possibly be the Axe guy, the pearly wings lady, the scarlet dress lady, or the green robe guy. I was 100% sure he was innocent so tonight he went unblocked and the dark sword killer showed up.Quoting. Since I was found inactive then I can't be the one who killed Believer, who if I'm not mistaken is the one who took action the other night as well
Believer
08-16-2011, 08:25
Quoting. Since I was found inactive then I can't be the one who killed Believer, who if I'm not mistaken is the one who took action the other night as well
Also I cannot be either of those characters. Therefore I should be ressurrected.
Resurrect me instead. Maybe I'll make it past night one in a anniversary game then. :D
Diamondeye
08-16-2011, 09:04
Vote: Yaropolk. Starting from one end of the list, there are so many people I have no proper impression of.
TheLastDays
08-16-2011, 10:18
Why Yaropolk?
Could the killer we saw the last two nights be a return of Hades? Black sword, fire, sounds like what was in Netherworld 1.
Also, where's axeguy?
Yaropolk
08-16-2011, 12:47
Believer was clearly Eris: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(mythology)
Khaan is definitely putting clues in the writeup. We should go back and read them over.
Believer
08-16-2011, 12:52
Believer was clearly Eris: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eris_(mythology)
Khaan is definitely putting clues in the writeup. We should go back and read them over.
Why would you accuse me of chaos? =/
Riedquat
08-16-2011, 14:52
Vote : Seon
Oh! Solid argument, you convinced me! Vote: Seon
FoS: Diamondeye :stare:
Riedquat
08-16-2011, 14:53
More black fluid.
Seems to me the sword is poisoned.
Death is yonder
08-16-2011, 15:08
Believer, your post-death posting isn't exactly very helpful either in advancing your case to be revived.
The attacker spun around to his right and brought down a vertical strike which nicked Believer's left leg. Immediately, a corrosive black substance seeped out. Believer got up to flee, but her left leg collapsed, numb,
drawing a curved blade, dark as night,
An unnatural black fluid issued from her wound. Her vision was going blurry.
Earthling stumbled backwards.
In any case, Renata's derision of the town as "fools" in the write up makes me feel more comfortable with yesterday's lynch.
The description of the blade in conjunction with the numbing abilities etc of the strike leaves it inconclusive in my opinion whether the black blood is indicative of anything more significant than just a mark of the attack from the black blade. Personally, it looks like the blade is poisoned or magicked what with all these swift effects on the individual.
In any case, the write up already shows that they are power roles, I hardly see how having black blood makes them any more scummy, not to say that they are wholly innocent, but that its a detail probably not as significant as Renata is making it out to be.
It appears the dark sword killer struck again tonight. Seeing as he wasn't Renata...
It could well be the bronzed female killer who incidentally can't be Earthling because IIRC he protected from one of her kills before, and it could also be the guy who materializes swords which I recall popping up one or two attacks. The dark sword killer was described as "so, you finally decided to reveal yourself" or something along those lines. Which probably suggests the boss or something, and why he's able to kill through protection IE: Earthling, seemingly killing the protector in exchange for the survival of the target.
No more of your treacherous, chaotic behavior
Yes I'd like to hear more from Seon. I do recall asking for an explanation of why he voted for people calling them a traitor, which was especially suspicious considering how one of the killer's referred to the prey as such.
“Making a lady wait like that, so rude! Where did you learn manners? Not that I suppose it matters much now, does it?” TinCow scrambled backwards in a panic, only to find himself up against the back wall. The woman jumped to his position, holding the saber to his throat. “You're finished... traitor.” With a clean slice, TinCow's head was severed.
Possibly like a fishing attempt designed to panic (such as when Tincow was very suspicious over classical's referral to him as a she (a reflection of his role as Gyda in Midgard)).
But yes, definitely could be better explained, especially considering that he has had time to post updates in TLD's story game thread.
Vote: Seon
Seems to me the sword is poisoned.
Oh darn, ninja'd and unnoticed till previewing :tongue:
Vote: Yaropolk. Starting from one end of the list, there are so many people I have no proper impression of.
Vote: Diamondeye
A nonsensical vote deserves a nonsensical vote in return.
Is there anything that confirms the reviver is pro-town and simply not a independent/mafia/cult/whatever which can revive someone to join their faction?
Double A
08-16-2011, 16:09
It's 14 if "Boo-yeah" is 2 words, 13 if it's only one word.
It's two words.
A different summary:
"Mewtwo used Confusion! It's super-effective!"
Vote: glyphz
I'd like to give us several options in case we wind up with a runaway bandwagon on Seon.
Diamondeye's accusation of Yaropolk looks to me like townie-not-paying-attention behavior.
Reenk Roink
08-16-2011, 17:18
Yeah, I'm a doctor, about time someone resurrected me... :whip:
johnhughthom
08-16-2011, 17:20
Vote: Reenk
I don't care if he's dead I want to kill him again. :brood:
:clown:
Ironside
08-16-2011, 17:42
More black fluid.
Believer got herself up in a sitting position, and spat at his feet. His grin not abating, he swung his sword, left-to-right, slicing deep into Believer's chest. The corrosive black fluid immediately filled the wound and leeched the surrounding torso. "Enjoy your final moments. Revel in the end you know had to come..... fool."
I think it's a side effect of the weapon.
Riedquat
08-16-2011, 18:28
Yes I'd like to hear more from Seon. I do recall asking for an explanation of why he voted for people calling them a traitor, which was especially suspicious considering how one of the killer's referred to the prey as such.
Umm, no! One day Seon is voting for TLD and trying to convince others to vote for him and get rid for him, if I'm not mistaken DE was other of the people voting for TLD, I was one for sure; next day when TLD vote for Seon wanting an explanation of his previous vote, DE comes and vote for Seon as well. When Seon comes to thread simply vote for DE and call him traitor without further explanation. And following day same thing, Seon voting DE and DE voting Seon...
Diamondeye's accusation of Yaropolk looks to me like townie-not-paying-attention behavior.
To me it looks like he is trying to hard...
Yaropolk
08-16-2011, 20:11
I'll vote: Diamondeye tentatively....
Diamondeye
08-16-2011, 21:15
*shrug* I'll Unvote; Vote:Seon. Andres has made the most sense so far so I'm trusting his instinct on this one.
(Also, yes; I think Chaotix' assessment is pretty solid. I am as confuzzled as can be.)
Believer
08-16-2011, 21:27
Believer, your post-death posting isn't exactly very helpful either in advancing your case to be revived.
What do you mean? That the poisoned blade which killed me is somehow indicative of my guilt?
Or do you mean to say that I have black blood and therefore is some form of evil?
To answer the second question; I have no idea what colour my character's blood has.
johnhughthom
08-16-2011, 21:36
Unvote, Vote: Diamondeye
Following up Riedquat's FOS.
"No more of your games. No more of your treacherous, chaotic behavior. Any last words?"
I think this is probably what Death is yonder is looking at.
So, yes, Black Sword Guy called you "chaotic", Believer, which combined with the apple means Eris is probably a good guess on your role. So you could be a neutral.
Time for a serious vote.
Unvote, Vote: Seon
classical_hero
08-16-2011, 21:57
I find it quite amusing to see all the requests for reviving. this game would be the never ending game if everyone could get revived. I think that Soulblade deserve to be resurrected. :wink: vote: DE
autolycus
08-16-2011, 22:10
vote:Diamondeye
woad&fangs
08-16-2011, 22:42
vote: Andres
I was all set to vote glyphz but it looks like he is 99% not the fire giant guy. I don't understand the case on diamondeyes or seon.
TheLastDays
08-16-2011, 23:02
vote: Andres
I was all set to vote glyphz but it looks like he is 99% not the fire giant guy. I don't understand the case on diamondeyes or seon.
I see... But you understand the case on the protector who got killed while protecting a probable townie?
vote: w&f
Riedquat
08-16-2011, 23:02
Oh! Solid argument, you convinced me! Vote: Seon
FoS: Diamondeye :stare:
*shrug* I'll Unvote; Vote:Seon. Andres has made the most sense so far so I'm trusting his instinct on this one.
:laugh4::laugh4:
UnFos: DE I like his humor!
Unvote, Vote: Diamondeye
Following up Riedquat's FOS.
:inquisitive: You follow my FoSing but not my voting?
Riedquat
08-16-2011, 23:09
vote: Andres
I was all set to vote glyphz but it looks like he is 99% not the fire giant guy. I don't understand the case on diamondeyes or seon.
The case on DE is pretty simple, he voted a probably townie who was attacked but survived thanks to Earthling defense, the case on you is a bit worse as you are voting for a resurrected defender/doctor without any explanation. :stare:
The case on Seon is self explanatory if you follow Andres arguments.... :clown:
GeneralHankerchief
08-16-2011, 23:16
I don't think a mafioso would be so lacking attention as to make a foolish vote like that. As this takes out two out of the three suspects for today...
Vote: Seon
Riedquat
08-16-2011, 23:23
Seon 6 (Andres, Riedquat, DiY, DE, Zack, GH)
DE 4 (Yaropolk, johnhughthom, classical_hero, autolycus)
Glyphz 2 (Choxorn, Chaotix)
Andres 1 (woad&fangs)
woad&fangs 1 (TLD)
:balloon2:
Oh come on now, let's not be ridiculous. Netherworld I and II should have made it VERY clear that a revived person does not necessarily take the form of their previous life. Stop the "OMG you're voting for a confirmed protector dude!!!!"
woad&fangs
08-17-2011, 01:56
What Zack said^
Unvote, Vote: TLD
Because I still think that nobody should be allowed to act as scummy as he has and not be lynched.
seireikhaan
08-17-2011, 07:05
"Things were awful quiet," the grandfather continued. "The small number who disappeared each night got smaller and smaller, and some of those in the crowd started getting, well, a bit lazy. When the bell ringer issued the order to end the phase, Mainyu looked displeased at the group before him. 'What, do we think we have staked victory already?! Cut the slack, or I will destroy you all! I need the strong, the motivated, in my glorious kingdom! Not the fickle and lackadaisical!'"
The girl's eyes widened just a bit. "Did he punish them again, granpa?"
"No, he decided to be patient for just a bit longer, since it seemed they had made some progress. For as long as Mainyu waited to hatch his plan, he had plenty of patience. But he was not lenient.
Anyways, as it was, those that did participate in the arrest ended up settling on Seon as their choice, though by a narrow margin. Seon, for his part, was in the silent camp. As he was dragged up before their lord, he did not cry or protest. Having been given the silent treatment by the arrested, Mainyu returned the favor. He gripped his sword, and wordlessly ended Seon in one quick stroke. Mainyu gave a glare at the crowd, indicating without words his desire for them to leave. And so, they shuffled into the night.
Seon 6 (Andres, Riedquat, DiY, DE, Zack, GH)
DE 4 (Yaropolk, johnhughthom, classical_hero, autolycus)
Glyphz 2 (Choxorn, Chaotix)
Andres 2 (Secura, woad&fangs)
woad&fangs 1 (TLD)
Not Voting 7 (Robbiecon, Beskar, Captain Blackadder, dcmort, warman, khazaar, glyphz, Seon)
Major Robert Dump will be replacing Robbiecon!
Alive: 22
Andres
Autolycus
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
Secura
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Zack
Killed: 11
TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Lynched: 7
Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
WoK: 1
SoulBlade
Believer
08-17-2011, 09:52
I think this is probably what Death is yonder is looking at.
So, yes, Black Sword Guy called you "chaotic", Believer, which combined with the apple means Eris is probably a good guess on your role. So you could be a neutral.
I'm still a nice traitor. I would never harm you guys. :(
robbiecon
08-17-2011, 10:00
Replaced!
Bah. Just when I returned again.
But it's ok, MRD can have my place, I know I haven't been voting, even when I've posted.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-17-2011, 13:55
Sorry I didn't vote time around. I'll vote during the next day phrase I promise :yes:.
Oh come on now, let's not be ridiculous. Netherworld I and II should have made it VERY clear that a revived person does not necessarily take the form of their previous life. Stop the "OMG you're voting for a confirmed protector dude!!!!"
Is there anything that confirms the reviver is pro-town and simply not a independent/mafia/cult/whatever which can revive someone to join their faction?
Though, I heard from some one who claims they know Anjou Mainyu that it isn't one of the pro-town who has revived Andres and since Secura voted Andres who has delivered us scum before, I don't think he is "Mr. Innocent" anymore.
dcmort93
08-17-2011, 23:17
I'm back for the record what has been going on?
Earthling
08-17-2011, 23:29
Seems like a townie was just lynched after lack of participation by too much of the town. Still haven't lynched the scum TLD and Diamondeye's continued shameless bandwagonning could mean he's also some non-town.
Also the writeups and events continue to provide evidence white_eyes was scum, as they wouldn't stop killing two people each night unless they aren't able to anymore. Not sure if there's one or two mafia left as the only known dead ones would be GE and white_eyes, several other lynchees are unknown and could be neutral, and we'll see if anything new comes up tonight.
TheLastDays
08-17-2011, 23:32
You're as wrong as you can be. GE is not proven scum but I won't comment anymore on that situation. I'm as vanilla town as they come but you should really go ahead and analyze a bit better, maybe giving us some good leads after all, if you'll continue throwing around accusations.
Earthling
08-17-2011, 23:44
I do have to give you credit, as a basic townie you've done an amazing job of nightkilling other townies who voted for you.
TheLastDays
08-17-2011, 23:50
Nice, huh? It's called framing :wink:
Earthling
08-17-2011, 23:56
Right. And also interesting that what, at least 5 or 6 non-townies were on the Arjos wagon?
There's no way to know, unless you're a scanner or belong to one of those factions. There aren't reveals in this game, so please stop saying things like "confirmed scum", Earthling.
I call that my personal victory ^^
Still very few even bothered to realize that :D
Earthling
08-18-2011, 02:57
There aren't reveals in this game, so please stop saying things like "confirmed scum", Earthling.
That's not exactly true as the rules and writeups do prove in some cases who is or isn't neutral. Though I guess you could say that Renata was lying completely, and assume for no reason that GE wasn't killing people at night, combined with the conclusion that only Renata was scum.
I think the quality of the conclusion on GE is self-evident, so the question is really, what you are doing to pretend otherwise or in general arguing with dead townies.
You're already like #3 in the people-who-need-to-go rankings right now. Are you trying to push for number two, encouraged by already being there in the Billingsley computer or what?
White_eyes:D
08-18-2011, 03:20
And I come back from my trip to this???!:wall:
Also, stop voting for your doctor...it makes no sense. I mean Khaan does have some kind of "Doctors must be evil thing" but it was just a phase he went though.:bounce:
seireikhaan
08-18-2011, 07:53
A wall of dark, crimson light stood before Secura, who had wondered her way to the edge of Angra Mainyu's barrier. She raised her right hand to it lightly. The barrier hissed, and she pulled her hand back with a jolt. "Are we to stay here forever?" She wondered. "Will he keep this even if it means his own destruction?"
"I suppose I'll find out," a smooth, deep voice answered her from behind. She whirled around. A shadowy soldier stood before her, hand on a sword hilt. "But you shall not." He took his hand from hilt, raised them both straight out, palms facing forward. A stream of fire shot from both. The respective streams snaked around Secura, writhing, expanding. She made a move to flee, but a stream jolted itself in her way. "Now, my dear, your time is at an end." He clapped his hands together, and the two bolts exploded in a brilliant flash, their proximity all but incinerating Secura completely.
Due to the fact that I'll be moving over the next day, this phase will be a touch longer than normal.
Alive: 21
Andres
Autolycus
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Zack
Killed: 12
TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Lynched: 7
Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
WoK: 1
SoulBlade
Believer
08-18-2011, 10:46
Secura dies as soon as I'm gone? Surprise surprise.
Diamondeye
08-18-2011, 12:23
Secura dies as soon as I'm gone? Surprise surprise.
Ponies?
Believer
08-18-2011, 13:01
Ponies?
They play.
Vote: Andres
Last person Secura voted for plus unsure of his true alignment.
autolycus
08-18-2011, 15:11
It seems plausible or even likely that Seon was scum, since this kill looks different from the previous ones.
Vote: Andres
Last person Secura voted for plus unsure of his true alignment.
What a rubbish case.
Vote : Beskar
What a rubbish case.
Vote : Beskar
Why is it rubbish?
- Who revived you?
- How come the pro-town don't know information on this?
- What happened on the night you died with General Handkerchief in the write-up?
If you want me to reconsider, going "rubbish case vote:beskar" isn't the solution, I have a bunch of valid questions and I haven't seen any answers or it appears people simply assumed you are not guilty because you died originally looking like a town. :whip:
What a rubbish case.
Vote : Beskar
Then, enlighten us -- what is a good one?
Vote: Andres
Riedquat
08-18-2011, 16:14
It seems plausible or even likely that Seon was scum, since this kill looks different from the previous ones.
:inquisitive: The only difference to me is he didn't use his poisonous sword this time; he killed Secura with fire as he did with Earthling...
Major Robert Dump
08-18-2011, 16:21
Hi can I get a revive pls?
Riedquat
08-18-2011, 16:38
Hi can I get a revive pls?
Wait to be dead first!
Earthling
08-18-2011, 17:32
What a rubbish case.
It's not a rubbish case, and Beskar's questions are valid. It is true there are better cases which should take higher priority today, I'd suggest in ascending order Zack, Diamondeye, and TLD. Still better than a random lynch to see what's up with you.
I think there's merit in going after Andres today. Whatever's going on between him and GH seems fishy, especially considering they both seem much quieter than usual.
Vote: Andres
GeneralHankerchief
08-18-2011, 18:33
especially considering they both seem much quieter than usual.
I have 11 more posts than you. :inquisitive:
Vote: Chaotix
johnhughthom
08-18-2011, 18:36
Vote: Andres
Earthling
08-18-2011, 18:50
I have 11 more posts than you. :inquisitive:
This horrible attempt at a defense if it wasn't just an accident would make me much more comfortable with lynching you/Andres, and given that you we have time I'm less likely to object to the living doing so. An explanation at least is needed as to why Andres didn't protect Secura if he's still town, as he certainly should not keep protecting you.
To reiterate on why your statement isn't helpful, it's obviously true that you've said very little the whole game and a very large number of your postcount are posts acting as a moderator that have nothing at all to do with contributing to the game. Extremely lame, you've absolutely got to provide a better explanation than that, not just OMGUS vote.
GeneralHankerchief
08-18-2011, 18:59
My own posting behavior does not make what I said about Chaotix any less true.
My own posting behavior does not make what I said about Chaotix any less true.
It does if you keep replying, as you would have a higher postcount!
Believer
08-18-2011, 19:22
Why has Beskar never been under pressure?
Riedquat
08-18-2011, 19:29
Why has Beskar never been under pressure?
He wasn't around...
Believer
08-18-2011, 19:32
He wasn't around...
Well now he is, pressure ensues!
Earthling
08-18-2011, 19:33
Combination of being away a little while and no need for us to pressure a likely townie. Very few people have been under pressure at all anyway.
Which does remind me it needs a little pointing out to bandwagonners today that voting Andres is not going to succeed in a "pressure" sense. Either you're in it to lynch him or you're not, this isn't a situation where we can necessarily expect info and backing off.
If he is town and was town before, in other words he was always town, he's not going to give up the reviver. If he's now a cultist or something he's also not going to give up his cult leader. This isn't likely to swing on new information about Andres, and nor should we really expect much new on other candidates, so don't provide that as a lazy reason.
Riedquat
08-18-2011, 20:25
I only know I've a terrible headache now! While Beskar's questions are completely valid I don't feel like voting for a known doctor, killed and revived... but still...would like to know Secura's motives for voting him yesterday...
Vote: MRD
:clown:
Why is it rubbish?
- Who revived you?
- How come the pro-town don't know information on this?
- What happened on the night you died with General Handkerchief in the write-up?
If you want me to reconsider, going "rubbish case vote:beskar" isn't the solution, I have a bunch of valid questions and I haven't seen any answers or it appears people simply assumed you are not guilty because you died originally looking like a town. :whip:
Why didn't you ask those questions in the first place?
- I won't reveal who revived me. It would be very unsportsmanslike to betray the player who was kind enough to bring me back from the dead, after I was killed by the mafia.
- Ask the "pro-town". I clearly stated I will not cooperate with a pro-town network. A member of the so-called "pro-town" group approached me and I gave him the same answer. This is not uncommon for me. Check The Pirate Ship game, I think that's the first game were I decided to never ever again be part of a pro-town network, for reasons I already stated in this thread. It's a matter of principle.
- On the night I died, I protected GH.
I spoke to Secura the other day round as she popped to say hello to me after work as I returned from my trip. We spoke about the game (amongst other things) and I was asking if she knew anything about Andres since I asked in thread (with no replies or anything) since Secura said she was in touch with Anjou Mainyu and other pro-towns. She said she knew nothing about any revivers and there was talk of Andres possibly being recruited by a independent/cult/mafia by the revive because there were suggestions from sources which said he was no longer simply a normal vanilla. Not sure if Secura could say this or not (due to rule constraints) but I am putting that out there.
Why didn't you ask those questions in the first place?
- I won't reveal who revived me. It would be very unsportsmanslike to betray the player who was kind enough to bring me back from the dead, after I was killed by the mafia.
- Ask the "pro-town". I clearly stated I will not cooperate with a pro-town network. A member of the so-called "pro-town" group approached me and I gave him the same answer. This is not uncommon for me. Check The Pirate Ship game, I think that's the first game were I decided to never ever again be part of a pro-town network, for reasons I already stated in this thread. It's a matter of principle.
- On the night I died, I protected GH.
I asked them last day phase and referred to them during the night-phase. I didn't randomly come up and say "Vote: Andres", there was a sign clear I had suspicions about the nature of your revival and publicly aired them before voicing any support for voting you.
I also never asked for their username, I asked for their role name. Because who can revive in this game? It is bound to be some sort of god or demon, not the local eunuch medic. This suggests it is either a independent or god/demon which is responsible. By providing their role name, we would have a closer idea to who is responsible and what faction they most likely would be.
So why did you chose to protect GH, did you even have a choice in the matter? Did you know you would die? Did you know you would be revived?
I was converted by Ishtar. My death broke my ties to that cult. I was revived and no longer part of the Ishtar cult. Ishtar never revealed herself to me. Being converted by Ishtar didn't grant me additional abilities.
I was converted by Ishtar. My death broke my ties to that cult. I was revived and no longer part of the Ishtar cult. Ishtar never revealed herself to me. Being converted by Ishtar didn't grant me additional abilities.
Going to list these questions more as points, to confirm this is actually you are saying.
So when you died, you was a cultist (and not town) ?
While as a cultist (to Ishtar) you was protecting GeneralHandkerchief?
You died while protecting GH, then you was revived by person x who is role y? (please at least give role y, it isn't their forum name, so isn't unsportmanship)
While revived, you are no longer part of cult Ishtar. Have they tried to recruit you again?
Are you now part of another cult or grouping?
Upon your revival, did you gain additional abilities?
Who have you been protecting, GH still or you now protecting person x ?
Can person x revive more people?
So when you died, you was a cultist (and not town) ?
I was a cultist and town. Well, maybe I wasn't, but being a cultist didn't change my abilities and the host told me I had to wait until Ishtar would contact me. There was a quicktopic that I'm not allowed to link to, but I shortly died after conversion. Ishtar never contacted me or gave me orders, so in my mind, I just kept playing for town. I didn't and still don't know if Ishtar and town have conflicting interests or not.
While as a cultist (to Ishtar) you was protecting GeneralHandkerchief?
Yep.
You died ewhile protecting GH, then you was revived by person x who is role y? (please at least give role y, it isn't their forum name, so isn't unsportmanship)
I died while protecting GH. I was resurrected. The host didn't tell me who resurrected me, but I was contacted by a person who claimed he/she was the one who resurrected me. I thanked that person and told that person that having resurrected me doesn't mean I should trust him/her. The host told me that my ties to Ishtar were broken, but for the rest, my allegiances remained the same, which lead me to believe I'm town again.
The pro-town roles explicitly mentioned by the rules are doctor, watcher and masons. My resurrector could be a "variety" role or one of the neutrals. Keeping previous iterations in mind, "neutral" roles in the Netherworld aren't always pro-town. That said, I won't rat out the person who resurrected me to the town. It's a matter of principle.
My resurrector told me his/her IC name, but I won't tell it to you. Because I don't know your allegiance and what you know. Suffice to say, that I believe this person to be a pro-town role. I'm not going to give that info away. That person is free to form a pro-town network or not and to share info with you. I won't, however, no matter how much you pressure me.
While revived, you are no longer part of cult Ishtar. Have they tried to recruit you again?
I'm no longer part of the cult of Ishtar. I do not know if Ishtar tried to recruit me again.
Are you now part of another cult or grouping?
No comment :beam:
Upon your revival, did you gain additional abilities?
Nope.
Who have you been protecting, GH still or you now protecting person x ?
It would be pretty moronic for me to answer that question in public. And before you bother, I won't answer in private either.
Can person x revive more people?
I have no idea. Ask person x.
GeneralHankerchief
08-18-2011, 21:47
A summary on Chaotix's posts in this game:
1st three are his "in" post and then pregame banter, which I'm excluding.
Eventually people are just gonna have to get used to fluffy.
I don't think he ever intends to play a game seriously. He's just comic relief. Only reason to lynch him is scan evidence or if he gets too annoying. As of now, I probably would be voting for him, if not for the fact that suspected power role/scum GE is attempting to take the easy way out by making him a target.
That said, not necessarily a scum move. Only survivalist. I don't trust him, but I won't be contributing to the runaway bandwagon.
Let's take a third option.
Vote:Believer
Day 1. As this is the "let's lynch GE" round pretty much all discussion is focused on GE's role and the massive bandwagon that formed around him. Chaotix chooses to distance himself from everything.
Oh, please do get into a troll argument.
Rarely do I get to see a conversation where both participants are trolls.
Filler post, provides nothing of note.
Not liking the fact that this round is less than 24 hours. Leaves me only an hour to seriously read the thread after I get home.
Placeholder vote.
Vote: Fluffy
Nah. Don't like ties. Too indecisive.
Unvote, Vote: glyphz
Votes for glyphz in the Fluffy/TLD/glyphz free-for-all in order to break the tie.
The next three posts are an accidental double-post, and then his two cents regarding the fluffy situation. Again not much to see.
Vote: glyphz
Somebody tell me why we're voting for TLD again?
Following Renata, makes a base comment so it's not just a wordless vote. This is Chaotix's only post of the round.
Earthling seems like a scapegoat. TLD seems like a scapegoat. Everyone seems like a scapegoat.
Vote: Diamondeye
Next round.
Eh.
Basically a throwaway vote. You were like the first person to vote for Earthling or TLD that wasn't Earthling or TLD.
That and you're always mafia.
Don't mistake me for being serious, people. I'm totally lost and just trying to have fun. I'll probably change my vote if we get a solid case on someone, but alas this is the mid-game so it's unlikely.
Upon being questioned by Diamondeye for his reasoning. Meanwhile, Romanic steps in and implores the town to lynch White_eyes, who is probably our most sure-thing scum right now because of the whole change in the writeups (which could easily be faked by the mafia, but eh). It's in this stretch that Chaotix is most active during the entire game.
Alright, I'll go with your preferred candidate, though it makes me feel devoid of any intelligence.
You aren't really a better choice, and at least the textwalls won't have any weight behind them.
Unvote, Vote: Earthling
We better step up our game here, I feel like this game will be an echo of Mafia IX and Midgard if we don't.
This was posted at the exact same minute Romanic made his "lynch White_eyes please" post, to which Chaotix responded as follows:
Romanic, the last time the town followed you we lynched fluffy for being fluffy and got him to change his name and leave the forums. Now you wanna lynch whiteeyes for being whiteeyes?
...ignoring the fact that the two situations were entirely different, which Romanic pointed out.
First- didn't mean to imply it was your fault for fluffy leaving, sorry. Just meant it was a bad lynch.
Second- lynching people with night actions is what made us lose Midgard. We lynched like a god and two or three kings and champions, didn't we? We need more information before I will commit to voting whiteeyes for that. There seem to be a lot of power roles in this game and I'd rather not kill them all of in the rare chance we get a mafioso.
At this point the runaway wagon on White_eyes began and Chaotix stayed silent for the remainder of the round despite being previously quite active. I'll leave the town to draw their own conclusions from this.
Vote: GH
For messing with the write-ups intentionally.
Joke vote, this was the round where I reformatted khaan's writeup.
Earthling, I'm genuinedly interested in your reasoning for voting Renata. Whether your textwalls are annoying or not, you usually have a decent analysis.
Secura appears to be voting for Renata because she thinks she was metagamed, and she wanted to know what Renata's actions were. Apparently Renata is a scanner (or claims to be one), but that hasn't stopped everyone else from hopping on a bandwagon.
So what makes Renata a good choice for the lynch? Why is she a better candidate than glyphz? Because, as far as I can tell, this lynch is about whether we trust one's word or the other's, because one of them has to be lying. But from where I'm standing, it looks like neither of them are guilty if they've been roleblocked and incapable of killing for several nights.
This is the Renata/glyphz discussion, Chaotix keeping well in line with his M.O. of staying away from all of the major wagons this game.
Well, I'm not inclined to listen to much of what you say until you admit that you were active at night, whether publicly or privately.
I have no doubt that you're not a killer, but still. I have no reason to believe that Renata is not a scanner, beyond WIFOM arguments.
Further conversation with glyphz...
Vote: glyphz
I'd like to give us several options in case we wind up with a runaway bandwagon on Seon.
Diamondeye's accusation of Yaropolk looks to me like townie-not-paying-attention behavior.
Again avoiding a runaway bandwagon. This in itself tells us nothing, but Chaotix's behavior in this regard has been remarkably consistent. Also interesting to note his back-and-forths with glyphz.
I think this is probably what Death is yonder is looking at.
So, yes, Black Sword Guy called you "chaotic", Believer, which combined with the apple means Eris is probably a good guess on your role. So you could be a neutral.
Same round as before. This was the Seon lynch round.
I think there's merit in going after Andres today. Whatever's going on between him and GH seems fishy, especially considering they both seem much quieter than usual.
Vote: Andres
And this is today.
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Contrast this with Chaotix's behavior in Midgard III, who died at a similar point as to where the game is right now. He had 54 posts in a 1,590-post thread as compared to 22 posts here in an 1,140-post thread, so the ratios do not match up. Also in Midgard (where he was a townie) he was much more frustrated and engaged, where really aside from the White_eyes thing Chaotix just posts and doesn't really follow much up.
I would say that he at least warrants more attention than he is receiving right now.
Riedquat
08-18-2011, 21:53
The fact Andres was protecting you while being a cultist, is a bit more interesting right now...
unvote: MRD; vote: person x
:dizzy2:
Will be back later...
GeneralHankerchief
08-18-2011, 21:54
I knew nothing about this.
I guess mentioning you got your attention, huh GH?
Well, I have not much to comment on your analysis of me, I'd say it's pretty accurate, at the same time I don't really need to defend myself from it.
I get it. I was being a little hypocritical there by calling you quiet, I suppose. Not much reason for my change in post frequency; I try to switch things up just a little bit every game to keep people guessing. Not frustrated this time around because, as far as I can tell, we seem to be doing better at catching the mafia than we did in Midgard. One kill per night and 20 people left, and I don't feel our failure is imminent. While I can't be sure which people we've lynched have been scum since there's no death reveals, it's pretty likely we got a couple of them- either that or they're refraining from killing for some reason.
As for you- I assumed you were somehow involved with the Andres business since he was protecting you when he died. You had no idea about Andres' role or any of this Ishtar cult stuff beforehand?
Well, I have not much to comment on your analysis of me, I'd say it's pretty accurate, at the same time I don't really need to defend myself from it.
[defends himself]
:dizzy2:
Vote: TheLastDays
No, I still haven't given up on this.
TheLastDays
08-18-2011, 23:04
Good. Are there new points or am I still just feeling "scummy"?
GeneralHankerchief
08-18-2011, 23:21
As I said to Yaro when he asked me the night Andres died, I knew nothing about his protection or anything he was involved with. I assumed it was just a random lucky doctor save. I have not had contact with Andres, Yaro, or anybody else in this game ever since.
Also, Choxorn, if you really want TLD lynched you're going to have to try a little harder, mate. Otherwise people will just think it's a convenient cover to hide behind... like I'm starting to.
Riedquat
08-18-2011, 23:49
As I said to Yaro when he asked me the night Andres died, I knew nothing about his protection or anything he was involved with. I assumed it was just a random lucky doctor save. I have not had contact with Andres, Yaro, or anybody else in this game ever since.
And both of you going after Double A was pure coincidence too... I guess? :inquisitive:
GeneralHankerchief
08-19-2011, 00:19
Great minds think alike.
No comment :beam:
ie: Yes. :tongue:
It would be pretty moronic for me to answer that question in public. And before you bother, I won't answer in private either.
I wasn't going to ask privately, but it would have been interesting for you to reply truthfully though or even do a fake answer, for example "I am protecting person x" then the mafia attacks GH again, but you was actually protecting GH, etc.
Ask person x.
He (since the She's are dead) could answer through you. For example, he could give a message to the town to let us know information about him, which might assist him in the future.
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Well, I find your points very interesting at least. I think you are possibly cult/neutral-aligned which needs to be killed off, but I don't think you are the black/fire sword guy.
As I said to Yaro when he asked me the night Andres died, I knew nothing about his protection or anything he was involved with. I assumed it was just a random lucky doctor save. I have not had contact with Andres, Yaro, or anybody else in this game ever since.
That surprises me. I would have thought you are person x and you came in some sort of arrangement with Andres. It is that kind of cunning I would expect from you, have Andres die protecting you, so he looks to be town, then he gets revived by you and becomes your right-hand man which now serves you. You feign an innocent townie... oh wait, nevermind, carry on.
Yaropolk
08-19-2011, 02:45
vote: classical hero
All the publicly discussed suspects have some information available about them, whether through reveals, public writeups, or private results not discussed in public.
On the other hand i know nothing about CH and would like to decrease the level of unknown.i
woad&fangs
08-19-2011, 03:18
vote: Andres
The night kills have been reduced to a trickle and the cult leader hasn't shown up in the writeups for a while. I'm willing to expend a lynch on Andres so I'm not worrying about him for the rest of the game.
vote: Andres
The night kills have been reduced to a trickle and the cult leader hasn't shown up in the writeups for a while. I'm willing to expend a lynch on Andres so I'm not worrying about him for the rest of the game.
Wait, how do you know the cult leader hasn't shown up?
Askthepizzaguy
08-19-2011, 04:33
This game is alarmingly not all about me. Someone needs to do something to rectify this.
Earthling
08-19-2011, 04:54
Wait, how do you know the cult leader hasn't shown up?
Presumably for the same reason you redirected abilities against you and survived an attack, and aren't a basic townie.
More specifically, there's unresolved stuff appearing in some of the writeups that nobody much feels like discussing for whatever reason. And actually if the cult leader really is Ishtar that makes the "seduction" writeup more likely her than a vote-buying attempt after all, (plus with the strong chance white_eyes was a killer that may have been wholly a fabrication) it's up in the air.
Andres story certainly is rather flaky and he's dodged questions like why he didn't protect Secura. It's a good enough possibility that he knows something more and hasn't shared about the cult's other members, victory conditions, or is still not-town aligned.
We have to lynch the remaining mafia and we have to lynch third party anti-town, but I don't think it's dead set on which order we do it for the next few days either.
woad&fangs
08-19-2011, 05:07
I love it when other players explain my reasoning for me! It saves so much time :smile:
classical_hero
08-19-2011, 05:23
This game is alarmingly not all about me. Someone needs to do something to rectify this.WE can lynch you agan if you want us to talk about you. I am thinking that those who are voting for Andres are wasting their votes.
Also, Choxorn, if you really want TLD lynched you're going to have to try a little harder, mate. Otherwise people will just think it's a convenient cover to hide behind... like I'm starting to.
Well.... not really, no, I don't have much new points to add aside from his scumminess early in the game. At the point, I'm mostly just voting him on my "he's still too scummy to still be alive" principle when I don't see anyone better to vote for.
For instance, I still don't get why the case on Andres is a good one, but maybe that's just because I don't know what's going on behind-the-scenes.
White_eyes:D
08-19-2011, 08:00
And actually if the cult leader really is Ishtar that makes the "seduction" writeup more likely her than a vote-buying attempt after all, (plus with the strong chance white_eyes was a killer that may have been wholly a fabrication) it's up in the air. I feel the need to get you to clear this part up for me. You know if town would have PMed me in private and put pressure on me, I would have spilled my guts and even embraced the lynch. Sadly, you only did the first and now I can't say anything even if I wanted to and now you can't be certain of what I was, till the end.:shrug:
Edit:Lynching Andres is a bad move though. Wait one night phase and you well see why.:grin2:
Can somebody explain to me why I should have protected Secura?
I'm getting a feeling that I'll get lynched because of the behind-the-scenes of the townie network. This is exactly why I hate townie networks. The game becomes very VERY boring for those not involved in it. And if those in that network are wrong or they are compromised because the mafia has infiltrated them, then they fail, allthough they have bossed everybody in the game around.
This is very frustrating, certainly so in a game where the host stated specifically in the his OP that it is a guilty pleasure of him to mess with pro-town networks.
I could have easily accepted Yaro's offer and gained your trust. Very easily. I didn't, because I don't like townie networks, since it always ends up the same: have a few "confirmed innocents" gather info, lynch all oddities or unknowns (see the ridiculous vote on classical), lose the game because one of the people in the centre of the network is scum, a lot of the players were excluded from the townie network and as such drifted away from the game not having enjoyed the experience as much as they would have if there wouldn't have been a boring townie network and all action would have been in public, in plain sight. Meh.
He (since the She's are dead) could answer through you.
The person in your network that told you that all "She's" are dead, is a liar. You should get rid of him/her asap.
TheLastDays
08-19-2011, 11:45
Anyone have a tally?
Riedquat
08-19-2011, 14:28
Anyone have a tally?
Andres 5 (Beskar, Zack, Chaotix, jht, w&f)
Chaotix 1 (GH)
Classical_hero 1 (yaropolk)
TLD 1 (Choxorn)
Zack 1 (Andres)
A lot of people not voting including myself...
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-19-2011, 14:55
Vote:Andres
I'm voting now :yes:!
TheLastDays
08-19-2011, 15:08
I will not contribute to this wagon on Andres, even though I am suspicous of him. I like the case on Chatoix more. vote: Chaotix
Andres will die though, probably and I guess it's good. Things like "give me another round" didn't work too well for the town in Netherworld I
Yaropolk
08-19-2011, 15:10
see the ridiculous vote on classical.
This logic is not at all ridiculous and doesn't depend on the existence of any pro-town network. Let's take you and GH as an example - do I think there is a connection? Possibly. Are you scums? I don't know, but I do know at the very least that neither one of you is the scarlet lady since she appeared in the writeup with you. I'm also willing to bet that if anyone has investigative powers behind the scenes at least someone has taken a look at you even if I don't know about it.
If it comes down to the final round and the scarlet lady killer returns and you two are still alive, it will make my vote easier. On the other hand if it's the last round and the only people alive have never been under pressure and have not posted anything for analysis or appeared in any writeups, I'm just flipping a coin.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-19-2011, 15:50
This game is alarmingly not all about me. Someone needs to do something to rectify this.
I'll personally vouch to have ATPG revive. How about that? :yes:
Death is yonder
08-19-2011, 16:43
Bleh sorry 'khaan, came home a 'lil too late.
Would have decided to head back on my previous feeling and vote Chaotix.
As for Andres, he's definitely hiding something, which can be interpreted however you would like, and his claim could just as easily be conveniently forged.
In any case, the write up (a quick glance show's he's probably getting lynched) should provide at least a minute indication.
Post Preview: Oh there's a tally, correction, Andres IS getting lynched.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-19-2011, 16:47
Bleh sorry 'khaan, came home a 'lil too late.
Would have decided to head back on my previous feeling and vote Chaotix.
As for Andres, he's definitely hiding something, which can be interpreted however you would like, and his claim could just as easily be conveniently forged.
In any case, the write up (a quick glance show's he's probably getting lynched) should provide at least a minute indication.
Post Preview: Oh there's a tally, correction, Andres IS getting lynched.
He's getting lynched. How would you have guessed? :laugh4:
Vote:Andres
I'm voting now :yes:!
He's getting lynched. How would you have guessed? :laugh4:
Unvote, Vote: Warman
classical_hero
08-19-2011, 18:38
We need to get the votes off Andres. I just think that if he got revived then the person behind the reviving has a reasonable explanation. vote:warman
GeneralHankerchief
08-19-2011, 18:41
Alright, I'm down for saving my cultbuddy. Would prefer the votes to go to Chaotix but we can save that for next round.
Unvote: Chaotix
Vote: Warman
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-19-2011, 18:44
I make a simple joke and everyone wants me dead?
Go ahead,kill me. And you will see you wasted a vote on a innocent person :yes:.
Riedquat
08-19-2011, 19:15
I will not contribute to this wagon on Andres, even though I am suspicous of him. I like the case on Chatoix more. vote: Chaotix
Andres will die though, probably and I guess it's good. Things like "give me another round" didn't work too well for the town in Netherworld I
You forgot to bold your vote!
I'm going to contribute with his lynch, Andres answers to Beskar's questions eliminated that feeling I had about voting a confirmed doctor...
Unvote: person x; vote: Andres
Riedquat
08-19-2011, 19:22
:laugh4::laugh4:
After Zack's vote I was tempted to vote Warman too... lol I'm still tempted...
Yaropolk
08-19-2011, 19:26
unvote: classical; vote:warman i dont know much about him either
Unvote, Vote: Warman
I didn't realize I was so persuasive! :laugh4:
We need to get the votes off Andres. I just think that if he got revived then the person behind the reviving has a reasonable explanation. vote:warman
Alright, I'm down for saving my cultbuddy. Would prefer the votes to go to Chaotix but we can save that for next round.
Unvote: Chaotix
Vote: Warman
:laugh4::laugh4:
After Zack's vote I was tempted to vote Warman too... lol I'm still tempted...
unvote: classical; vote:warman i dont know much about him either
Earthling
08-19-2011, 19:42
I make a simple joke and everyone wants me dead?
They're called cultists. Townies who wanted to change bandwagons and not go after Andres would still go for a real suspect like TLD and not a random probable townie. However, if several are cultists they don't care who dies as long as it's not their ally, so the most convenient bandwagon they can find works.
Even if the reviver is town, that doesn't mean Andres isn't be a cultist except by his own not-to-be-trusted word - he says he died a cultist, could have just been revived and still a cultist with the reviver not affecting that picture. For all his inaccurate ranting about town networks he's clearly not acted in favor of the town. There's absolutely no excuse for not telling everyone immediately after he was revived what he knew about cult activity.
I didn't realize I was so persuasive!
One of the abilities of being a cult leader is it not? Or do you have some other explanation you still owe us for dodging abilities used on you and surviving a night attack?
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-19-2011, 20:03
They're called cultists. Townies who wanted to change bandwagons and not go after Andres would still go for a real suspect like TLD and not a random probable townie. However, if several are cultists they don't care who dies as long as it's not their ally, so the most convenient bandwagon they can find works.
Even if the reviver is town, that doesn't mean Andres isn't be a cultist except by his own not-to-be-trusted word - he says he died a cultist, could have just been revived and still a cultist with the reviver not affecting that picture. For all his inaccurate ranting about town networks he's clearly not acted in favor of the town. There's absolutely no excuse for not telling everyone immediately after he was revived what he knew about cult activity.
One of the abilities of being a cult leader is it not? Or do you have some other explanation you still owe us for dodging abilities used on you and surviving a night attack?
:inquisitive: :no:
Riedquat
08-19-2011, 20:44
There's absolutely no excuse for not telling everyone immediately after he was revived what he knew about cult activity.
With this I fully agree.
As much as I hate rescue bandwagons, I'd have to agree with Zack that Warman's last few posts have been really, really scummy.
Unvote, Vote: Warman
Day ended already right?
Vote: abstain
Got 2 'days' worth of catching up to do, but not right now...
Riedquat
08-19-2011, 22:36
Day ended already right?
Vote: abstain
Got 2 'days' worth of catching up to do, but not right now...
If I'm not mistaken it should have ended like 10 minutes before Choxorn's vote
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-19-2011, 22:38
Wasting your vote on me. :yes:
Riedquat
08-19-2011, 22:53
One of the abilities of being a cult leader is it not? Or do you have some other explanation you still owe us for dodging abilities used on you and surviving a night attack?
Sorry, but how do you explain Zack's vote on Andres then? Remember Sack's vote was the second after Beskars, also did you note who voted for Sack? :inquisitive:
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-19-2011, 22:53
So,what's the official tally?
Riedquat
08-19-2011, 23:08
So,what's the official tally?
Andres 6 (Beskar, Chaotix, jht, w&f, warman, Riedquat)
Warman 4 +1 (Zack, classical_hero, GH, Yaropolk, Choxorn)
Zack 1 (Andres)
6:5 if we count Choxorn vote... and if I'm not mistaken...
Earthling
08-19-2011, 23:29
Sorry, but how do you explain Zack's vote on Andres then? Remember Sack's vote was the second after Beskars, also did you note who voted for Sack?
You seem to be mistaken about something, because neither Zack nor Andres have recently placed any meaningful pro-town votes or votes against each other. Solitary votes against someone with no chance of being lynched or a vote that is soon unvoted again are extremely common scum distancing tactics.
On the other hand, Zack has been on an awful lot of bandwagons to "save" people that end up lynching townies. Save TLD to lynch Arjos, a townie. Save Diamondeye to lynch Seon, a townie. Trying to save Andres today without any case on Warman. And I think we'd all just want an explanation for what he is, as a likely non-town power role, that's common sense even if he's not cult.
As much as I hate rescue bandwagons, I'd have to agree with Zack that Warman's last few posts have been really, really scummy.
Unvote, Vote: Warman
If voting was still open, I would change and vote choxorn. All his posts have either been jokes, meaningless, fluff, or all three:
A preist and a rabbi walk into a bar. The preist says "ouch," and the bartender says "What is this, a joke?"
Vote: GeneralHandkerchief, at the bidding of the Random Number God.
Unless you have a game with a lot of mafias and lynch immunities- I've seen a couple with more anti-townies being lynched than townies. (I'm looking at you, Camikaze's LOTR game)
Oh, and sorry for not being around yesterday, my internet decided to be a :daisy: and disconnected while I was reading the thread, and then I forgot about it. :embarassed:
I love this thread so much.
Chaotix, Fluffy does not ragequit games. Games ragequit Fluffy.
It's 14 if "Boo-yeah" is 2 words, 13 if it's only one word.
Or jumping on a bandwagon for people that are "scummy", with no other explanation, or "good case!" given:
I don't have time to read through the past 5 pages, so I'll just Vote: TheLastDays for his general scummy atmosphere.
I still think that Vote: TheLastDays is scummy.
Vote: TheLastDays, because we should have killed him a long time ago.
Vote: TheLastDays
This is the best case I've seen so far.
Unvote, Vote: glyphz
It appears the dark sword killer struck again tonight. Seeing as he wasn't Renata...
Vote: glyphz, unless he was roleblocked again.
Unvote, Vote: TLD
Because I still think that nobody should be allowed to act as scummy as he has and not be lynched.
Even though he hadn't been voting TLD for awhile.
Vote: TheLastDays
No, I still haven't given up on this.
As much as I hate rescue bandwagons, I'd have to agree with Zack that Warman's last few posts have been really, really scummy.
Unvote, Vote: Warman
Or not really helpful, but not necessarily meaningless comments:
I... wait, what? Why? Where did this Believer-wagon come from? Why should I vote for him, anyway?
If I thought that voting for TLD was scummy, why would I be doing it?
Nose of Suspicion: Khazaar
Well.... not really, no, I don't have much new points to add aside from his scumminess early in the game. At the point, I'm mostly just voting him on my "he's still too scummy to still be alive" principle when I don't see anyone better to vote for.
For instance, I still don't get why the case on Andres is a good one, but maybe that's just because I don't know what's going on behind-the-scenes.
Or an isolated vote on someone, whom he thinks there is a valid case against (and the only time it's his own case, and not someone else's), yet never saying another word about that person:
Unvote, Vote: johnhughthom
This is the second day in a row you made a vote near the end of the day to join a sudden end-of-day bandwagon that sprouted from almost nowhere, and I'm getting a scummy vibe from you. Care to explain that?
FoS: choxorn
johnhughthom
08-20-2011, 00:18
You can disregard that last bit on choxorn, it was my awesome defence that kept him from following up.
Nope.
Why would anybody follow up after that, totally not scummy at all sir, defence?
Well, I didn't follow up because I was focusing on other things (like TLD and glyphz and whatever the heck else was going on). I think at one point someone connected glyphz to jht, and I ended up deciding that since glyphz was a probable town by that point, there might not be anything wrong with jht's voting.
On the other hand, the existence of this cult changes things a bit. I had no idea there was one until Andres mentioned it. I think I'll have to look at that case again.
I haven't been paying enough attention to notice some of those things. For that matter, most of the things you've listed are just what I usually do when I'm a townie that doesn't know what's going on and isn't paying enough attention. Come on, you've played enough games with me to know I don't act like this when I'm mafia.
Riedquat
08-20-2011, 00:58
You seem to be mistaken about something, because neither Zack nor Andres have recently placed any meaningful pro-town votes or votes against each other. Solitary votes against someone with no chance of being lynched or a vote that is soon unvoted again are extremely common scum distancing tactics.
On the other hand, Zack has been on an awful lot of bandwagons to "save" people that end up lynching townies. Save TLD to lynch Arjos, a townie. Save Diamondeye to lynch Seon, a townie. Trying to save Andres today without any case on Warman. And I think we'd all just want an explanation for what he is, as a likely non-town power role, that's common sense even if he's not cult.
Ok, I follow you but do you understand everybody except you is lacking that common sense right now? The townies who followed warman's bandwagon without any reason could have well joined and contributed against a Zack's bandwagon if any of them were a bit suspicious of him.
Warman is an awful lynch.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-20-2011, 01:59
Andres 6 (Beskar, Chaotix, jht, w&f, warman, Riedquat)
Warman 4 +1 (Zack, classical_hero, GH, Yaropolk, Choxorn)
Zack 1 (Andres)
6:5 if we count Choxorn vote... and if I'm not mistaken...
And voting is over and I'll walk away alive... at least for another day phrase anyhow.
Warman is an awful lynch.
Thank you Secura! A great piece of advice! :dizzy2::yes:
Warman is an awful lynch.
Warman is the guy everyone wants to lynch, but it would be a waste of a lynch to lynch him.
Need some one with a misdirect...
Warman is the guy everyone wants to lynch, but it would be a waste of a lynch to lynch him.
Yes, it seems like both sides are at an empasse really; the town really shouldn't be wasting a lynch on him at this stage and the mafia probably don't want to use a kill on someone who isn't a threat to them.
Warman is the guy everyone wants to lynch, but it would be a waste of a lynch to lynch him.
Sounds familiar. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?137095-Netherworld-III-Final-Judgment-Summary-Thread&p=2053354695&viewfull=1#post2053354695)
seireikhaan
08-20-2011, 04:11
Apologies for the delay, had a couple hiccups getting stuff moved. Tally in progress.
seireikhaan
08-20-2011, 04:47
The young girl yawned, and stretched her arms. "Oh come now, pumpkin, you won't fall asleep before the end, will you?" She snapped back up.
"I can stay up, Granpa!"
"Ah, good. Anyways, when they came back, the emergence of a cult was proclaimed by the revived Andres. But people were suspicious because he'd had many accusations already against him and they weren't sure if he was just trying to save himself. A valiant defense nearly convinced a change of heart, but in the end, Andres was set forth before Angra Mainyu. He stood before the steps leading to the grand throne. A pair of guards assembled to set him into a kneeling position, but he resisted. Finally, he dipped his shoulder, grabbing one guard's arm and flinging him into the next.
'Andres, you will kneel before your King and executioner.'
"You are not the King of this world,' Andres spat. You are a False King as well as a False God.' Enraged by his defiance, Mainyu glowed an even deeper crimson, lightning sparking in random directions. He raised his right hand, and fired a beam of red light at Andres. It hit him straight in his chest, and fired straight through. Andres immediately collapsed to the ground in a smoking heap.
'Well done, my subjects. The defiant shall learn their place, or suffer as he did. Now, back to your work. I am sure there are more still.'
Andres 6 (Beskar, Chaotix, johnhughthom, woad&fangs, warman, Riedquat)
Warman 5 (Zack, classical hero, GH, Yaropolk, Choxorn)
Zack 1 (Andres)
Alive: 20
Autolycus
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
GeneralHankerchief
Glyphz
Khazaar
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
Yaropolk
Zack
Killed: 12
TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Lynched: 8
Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
WoK: 1
SoulBlade
Earthling
08-20-2011, 06:13
So who's liking the idea of Andres being a cult bodyguard? That is, he couldn't actually protect other people in general, he just got to die in place of his cult leader/allies. Not a guarantee but worth a look into.
Semi-related note, I believe white_eyes asked me to clarify something I said earlier. It's the writeup with the one "seduction" that is not a kill but something else, one of a couple unknown events in the writeups. People said white_eyes (and you're unknown/scum) was a vote changer so there was a theory that the writeup indicated white_eyes doing something. However, at this point given Ishtar (fertility goddess and more, anyone can look that up) seems to be the cult leader I was pointing out that no, the writeup there seemed to indicate cult activity.
The rest of this is to the reviver. Assuming you're a town reviver. We can't really hold reviving Andres against you because you had no way to know you were reviving a cultist, that sort of thing happens.
What would make things worse is if you give into pressure and get yourself revealed to the mafia/other parties and then killed. So don't blame yourself for anything here, and the town shouldn't either, just be careful things don't get worse (other cultists might know who you are though, that's an obvious headsup)
As often said, with a quick look at the previous Netherworld games and what's reasonable for a town reviver it seems possible that your revive ability is on cooldown recharge. That's ok too. Just make it to where you can revive another townie and things will be fine.
Death is yonder
08-20-2011, 06:53
Hmm? How odd. A glance at the timer when I posted last night told me that voting was up already by the time I got back.
*shrug*
Anyways, Andres' lynch write up indicates that he was probably still a cultist, since IIRC 'khaan said only neutrals would have different write ups.
So who's liking the idea of Andres being a cult bodyguard? That is, he couldn't actually protect other people in general, he just got to die in place of his cult leader/allies. Not a guarantee but worth a look into.
That's quite a plausible idea, because the only other rationale I can think of at the moment for having a cultist being able to protect is that recruiting takes more than one attempt or something so he's there to make sure the recruit doesn't die in the process, wasting effort and time.
Edit: Or maybe we are overthinking it and things like that are just how 'khaan manifests his love to confuse townie networks (I mean, if people think you are a protector, that's like a VIP entry card into the network)
Or perhaps that plus more practical reasons.
Major Robert Dump
08-20-2011, 10:51
I have a special ability the town may be interested in, but saying it out loud will be a death sentence from the cults. PMs please.
White_eyes:D
08-20-2011, 10:56
It's the writeup with the one "seduction" that is not a kill but something else, one of a couple unknown events in the writeups. People said white_eyes (and you're unknown/scum) was a vote changer so there was a theory that the writeup indicated white_eyes doing something. Clever "people" or well-informed "people" I wonder.:book:
Anyway, I am almost 100% sure town is going to win this...unless Andres comes back from that lynch.:grin2:
It looks like my theory is correct, the reviver is infact an independent / cult leader and by the sounds of it, it isn't Ishtar (since he says he was part of that one, but now with another).
So General, are you willing to confess your sins?
Askthepizzaguy
08-20-2011, 14:30
Interesting.
I actually have something to add to this, but I can't because I am dead.
Ummm just take some guesses. You'll figure it out.
The question I wonder, did Andres "choose" to defend GH, or was he forced into it? For example, GH has a special misdirect which then kills Andres, and then GH raises him from the dead to serve as his loyal minion.
The alternative is that Andres was infact a defender originally and a self-confessed Cultist, does this mean GH is the cult leader?
The third one is that Andres randomly defended some one, ie: GH and then died. Because a protector would obviously be useful to a cult leader/Scummy Mc Scum, they revived Andres to serve as a bodyguard for them and GH is just some random person dragged in by association.
GeneralHankerchief
08-20-2011, 17:36
I've already told my side of the story, there's really nothing else I can add.
It is interesting to see how people automatically assume that the cults are necessarily playing against town.
As I stated prior to my lynching, Ishtar never contacted me personally. I didn't get orders to protect a certain player, didn't gain an ability to kill, didn't get orders to vote a certain player. Nada. Also note that the lady who appears to convert in the write-ups hasn't been seen killing. Note also that, allthough conversions have been made, the night kills didn't go up significantly, on the contrary.
So where this whole "he's a member of a cult, ergo scum" comes from, is a mystery to me.
I expect to see more kills than last night in the following write-up.
TheLastDays
08-21-2011, 09:27
Well Mr. Andres, the writeup of your lynch doesn't really support your view of the whole story.
Askthepizzaguy
08-21-2011, 18:55
Well Mr. Andres, the writeup of your lynch doesn't really support your view of the whole story.
You and Andres got something going on, I can tell. You can't get enough of each other. :wink:
seireikhaan
08-22-2011, 00:48
Sheltered in his house, Yaropolk felt a sense of calm at last. He'd not been attacked in quite a while, it seemed. He'd barred the doors for the night, as usual. He sat in the corner cross-legged, and rested with his back to the wall. He closed his eyes. A thunderous cracking sound shot his eyes wide open. The door had been splintered in half, from top right to the bottom left. Yaropolk panicked for a second, scanning about, but realizing the only exit lay before him, filled by a large human wielding an enormous axe. "You have no place in my world," the man claimed. "I will rid it of all the foul creatures which have infested it."
He quickly rushed forward and swung his mighty axe in a left-swinging arc. Yaropolk managed to slide under it, and attempted to maneuver around his attacker. But the man turned on a heel and swung his axe down, catching Yaropolk's ankle and smashing it to splinters. Yaropolk planted to the ground in agony, screaming in pain. The man looked down at the doomed victim, and held his axe high for a final blow.
But he shifted his eyes away, and rolled to the left as a stream of fire entered in through the vacant doorway. A roaring flame caught the back wall of the residence, and erupted in a magnificent blaze. The man immediately hurtled himself at the front wall, and tore a hole through it with his axe and tumbled out. He gathered himself up to see a tall, ominous individual cloaked in an aura of fire glancing almost lazily over in his direction. They stared at each other for a few seconds, to the sound of the inferno steadily encroaching on the rest of the house. As the house collapsed under a weak frame, the man roared with fury that shook the remaining frame. He charged the dark attacker, axe held aloft. The attack was met with its opponents blade, drawn so fast the man couldn't see it done. The blade sliced straight through the haft of the axe, letting the head fall lamely to the ground. The man staggered back in shock.
"How? This... this isn't possible! You cannot defeat me! This land is mine, not the realm of godly spirits or demonic agents! Men shall know their own realm, and rule it by their own providence!"
"Hah," the dark attacker scoffed. "Can't you see the truth, even when it's right before your eyes? Men let themselves fall to a usurper. You deserve whatever fate befalls you. You can't defeat me. You can't even hurt me." As he finished his sentence, he immediately launched himself at the man, who was too slow to react and found the dark attacker behind him, one hand holding his left arm, the other with a black blade held to his throat. The heat from the aura was intense, but the man cared not. "Now, bow," the dark attacker commanded. The man scowled and held his ground. "I said, bow!" he commanded again, this time delivering a kick the back of the man's knee, causing his legs to buckle. "Now, no worries," he said with a small wink. "I'll see you soon." With that, he jerked his wrist and severed GeneralHankerchief's head cleanly.
Alive: 18
Autolycus
Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Choxorn
Classical Hero
Dcmort
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
Johnhughthom
Glyphz
Khazaar
Major Robert Dump
Riedquat
TheLastDays
Warman
Woad&fangs
Zack
Killed: 14
TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Lynched: 8
Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
WoK: 1
SoulBlade
White_eyes:D
08-22-2011, 02:26
Just figured I would put this out there...
I'm sorry Andres died to protect me, he obviously had a role and I'm not anything special. That said, I wouldn't mind it if I continued to receive protection for the rest of the game..Anybody who bought that was looking at an axe in the head.:bounce:
And now my job is done till the endgame.:bow:
GeneralHankerchief
08-22-2011, 02:37
Eh.
White_eyes:D
08-22-2011, 02:45
I don't know why you said that though....that's like a drop of blood in a pool of sharks. You just don't say that.:shrug:
Wait till the game is over and then you can see why I was acting the way I was, GH.:grin2:
Earthling
08-22-2011, 02:55
Well, great job by Axeguy and Cultguy with their refusal to work with the town and constant rants against even a hypothetical town network. We should still come out of this with a victory and if they weren't strictly against the town they only cost themselves.
Moving on, Zack and TLD are good lynches today. Zack really needs to give a public explanation of why he survived the attack on him at the least, perhaps he had provided one to some people in private but we don't have any known, trustable people left alive to vouch for his private explanation. So he'll have to make his case public if he has one.
edit- actually there's still glyphz who we could be pretty sure is not with the mafia, but I doubt Zack would have privately role-revealed to glyphz anyway and that doesn't clear up cult leads or third party things at this point either.
Well, great job by Axeguy and Cultguy with their refusal to work with the town and constant rants against even a hypothetical town network. We should still come out of this with a victory and if they weren't strictly against the town they only cost themselves.
Moving on, Zack and TLD are good lynches today. Zack really needs to give a public explanation of why he survived the attack on him at the least, perhaps he had provided one to some people in private but we don't have any known, trustable people left alive to vouch for his private explanation. So he'll have to make his case public if he has one.
edit- actually there's still glyphz who we could be pretty sure is not with the mafia, but I doubt Zack would have privately role-revealed to glyphz anyway and that doesn't clear up cult leads or third party things at this point either.
I've already explained my survival in this thread; if you chose to ignore it, that is your problem, not mine.
Earthling
08-22-2011, 03:16
Then as a heads up you kinda need to make sure you've satisfied the living townies with your defense, rather than worrying about whatever you thought you convinced me of or not, because they are the ones who would be lynching you.
Vote: choxorn
Following from yesterday.
Then as a heads up you kinda need to make sure you've satisfied the living townies with your defense, rather than worrying about whatever you thought you convinced me of or not, because they are the ones who would be lynching you.
You and Andre are the only ones who have been accusing me. Neither of you are living townies; ergo, I am not going to worry over satisfying the living townies with an unnecessary defense, as it has already been made clear in the thread.
My suspect was night killed... so... yeah. It is 4am at the moment, I will make a new case in the morning if anything comes up that looks interesting from my notes (which are on other computer).
Riedquat
08-22-2011, 07:03
Autolycus, Captain Blackadder and Khazaar... I would like to know more from them... I don't remember when was the last time I've read something from them.
Reading night 3 writeup atm...
TheLastDays
08-22-2011, 07:53
"Now, no worries," he said with a small wink. "I'll see you soon."
Now this kinda confirms my thoughts that Hades is making a reappearance.
Alright. Axeguy is dead which is a good thing, I think. Hades (just going to call him that for now, unless someone else comes up with evidence that it's probably some other deity) is left and he's no weird third party or anything, he'll just be plain old Mafia and we need to figure out who's been Mafia all game because that guy hasn'T been converted or whatever else might have happened to characters over the rest of the game.
vote: Chaotix
I still think that he hasn't given decent explanation to GH's case against him and while GH was probably third party he was probably against the Mafia and therefore his case was valid.
You know, Zack, I'd have to say you had a point: I should probably have followed up on johnhughthom. Maybe I would have caught some of these things sooner:
Vote: Riedquat
Welcome newbie.
Standard Day 1 Vote.
:rolleyes:
If I were mafia I would do this to make it look like I wasn't paying attention.
Posted from a mobile telephony device
etc.
Said in response to ATPG's first vote on woad&fangs. It's almost like he's trying to be scummy.
Because it's rare that a townie would care enough to check up and post in a game when away from their comp. Supposedly.
Explaining to someone the phone = scum connection, could really be either townie or scummy.
What kind of conference could somebody with grammar that appalling possibly be going to?
:clown:
Fluff.
Vote: God Emperor
Don't forget to insert some stuff here in an effort to pretend I thought long and hard about the vote before posting.
Bandwagons God Emperor a couple of hours before the end of the day (he was the 11th person on the wagon) and inserts fluff in lampshade form.
Vote: glyphz
I believe I have mentioned my penchant for ties on numerous occasions.
You may notice our previous posts were at the same time. I know you think I'm awesome, I didn't realise you believed me to have psychic powers.
unvote, Vote: fluffy
How can I resist such a flattering assumption of mine.
Woah, maybe you're right Roman. Another crosspost kept the tie... :dizzy2:
:clown:
All of these were in quick succession, about midway through day 3. He voted glyphz to tie it up, then switched to fluffy after crossposting twice. This was when everyone was close, instead of just the two runaway wagons on glyphz and Fluffy. He disappeared for the rest of the day. It's the kind of thing a scum could do to look like they were doing something and being a good townie who votes without actually doing much.
No time to read up, so I'm going to follow Renata. Vote: glyphz
Just randomly joins the glyphz wagon.
Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Why not?
To see what happens.
And this is one of the first things that really set off my scum alarm. He switched and voted ATPG for no real reason- all of two minutes after Khaan posted a tally showing glyphz was at 7 votes and ATPG at 5. ATPG later ended up being lynched. I find it doubtful he did that for no reason- he saw that he could save glyphz and did exactly that, or he saw that he could lynch ATPG and did exactly that. Doing it to save glyphz makes him scummy because he was voting him earlier- meaning, if he was a townie, he wouldn't attempt to save glyphz for no reason, but if he was mafia, would of course want to save his mafia partner. Doing it to lynch ATPG also makes him scummy, because there was no reason for him to do that as a townie, and mafia often suffer from "Must Lynch ATPG Syndrome"- certainly more than townies do.
Still, this vote switch alone isn't normally something I'd find that scummy. What I find really scummy is that he did it almost immediately after khaan posted a tally, 40 minutes before the end of the day. I highly doubt that was a coincidence.
And now, for a lot of posts he made the following night, his most active period by far:
Like you said, you're new so I fixed that for ya. You're welcome.
Gah, you only quoted me to highlight my poor grammar and make editing the original pointless, didn't you? :brood:
Conversation with Zack and Riedquat about grammar. Also fluff.
Hey guys! The way forward for your unresolved sexual tension. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_message)
Trying to get Earthling and TLD to shut up. Had you succeeded, I would gladly give your obvious scumitude a pass and just let you win the game, because anyone who can make Earthling stop being Earthling deserves to win the game, and all future games, and also deserves Over 9000 pounds of pizza to be sent to their home every week, as well as Over 9000 Virgins.
But, that feat is impossible, so I must continue with my case, sir. :bow:
Ummm, are you volunteering to be Warman's new hobby?
More fluff.
Pretty much my fault for tying the vote to provoke a reaction. Why he was in a position to be tied (:inquisitive: not like that, that's khaan's job), I don't know.:shrug:
Really? You were paying so little attention you didn't notice the tally that Khaan posted 2 minutes before you switched your vote? :stare: I find that hard to believe.
Sigh...
Okay Double A:
If I was mafia trying to appear as town I'd sit on my hands and vote randomly like I usually do.
According to Askthepizzaguy mafia 101 this post makes him scum.
That's about 5 games worth of analysis right there by my usual standards. Zack's been chatty without much substance recently. 8 games.
I do try, I've even managed to bring up all of a persons posts at once, though it was only 3 posts. I'm hoping to graduate to analysing voting patterns sometime in the next decade. After that who knows?
After Andres started getting suspicious of JHT, he asked him about Double A, and this was how john replied. Of note is that he called Double A out on the "If I was mafia..." thing when he did the exact same thing on day 1.
What's wrong with that?
I'm not sure what to think of this.
Vote: White_eyes.
Not sure why I'm following Secura, she sucks at large games.
Like I said the last time I found this to be suspicious, he joined a bandwagon at the end of the day (well, before Khaan extended it 12 hours) for no real reason two days in a row. Now, this time, White Eyes was leading the vote by 7-4 over Earthling, with TLD and Chaotix at 3, and White Eyes was likely a scum himself, but on the other hand, if someone else with a few votes was one of john's teammates and White Eyes wasn't, it couldn't hurt to tack another vote on him, And even if White Eyes was one of john's teammates, it's not like scum never vote teammates after they're already sure they're going to get lynched- as in this case. And regardless, joining a sudden bandwagon at the end of the day is still scummy.
Nope.
His non-response when I accused him.
Hmm, dead Secura. Didn't see that coming...
More fluff.
Vote: Renata
Bandwagoning again? Okay, this time, he was third on the wagon instead of at the end of the round, but "Third on the wagon" is one of the scummiest places to be on the wagon.
Gah, people are capitsing the j when my name is acronymed now...
The vote switch on to pizza when he got killed was just to see how people responded, provoke a reaction, I didn't expect him to be lynched. I can't remember the other one, probably the same reason.
A bit of fluff first when he was again called out on the vote-switching, this time by Ironside, again with that ridiculous excuse.
Vote: Reenk
I don't care if he's dead I want to kill him again. :brood:
:clown:
Yet more fluff.
Unvote, Vote: Diamondeye
Following up Riedquat's FOS.
So, his reasoning for voting Diamondeye is that Riedquat FOS'd him- and voted for Seon.
This vote put the tally at Seon- 4 Diamondeye- 3, for all that matters. It's certainly a scum indicator if Seon was his scum teammate.
Vote: Andres
Bandwagoning again? :brood: He was 4th on the wagon and joined it about half-way through the day, before the cult was mentioned. Seems like just a standard bandwagon vote- which is all he's ever done the entire game. Also of note is that he's rates a 6/8 in mafia ESP, ATPG's theory that people the mafia vote for tend to end up dead later. Of the 8 people he's had his vote on at the end of the day, 6 were that day's lynch. The only exceptions were Riedquat on Day 1 (and Day 1 votes hardly count for Mafia ESP, or anything else) and Diamondeye on Day 7. He's also voted for glyphz twice but later changed his vote.
You can disregard that last bit on choxorn, it was my awesome defence that kept him from following up.
Why would anybody follow up after that, totally not scummy at all sir, defence?
Another non-response and fluff post.
TL;DR version: johnhughthom has done nothing all game but bandwagon and make fluff posts, and he's made several really scummy moves- most of all, his vote-switch that ended up lynching ATPG on Day 4.
Vote: johnhughthom
Ironside
08-22-2011, 10:34
You and Andre are the only ones who have been accusing me. Neither of you are living townies; ergo, I am not going to worry over satisfying the living townies with an unnecessary defense, as it has already been made clear in the thread.
And this comment is not scummy at all. Dead people got access to all public information like the living. So simply refusing to answer because they're dead, means that you claim that all public events and issues are irrelevant.
I still stick with my theory that Chaotix and White_eyes are linked with eachother -> high odds of Chaotix being the currupted blade killer.
Glyph and Jht are cultists.
And Zack does certainly seem to be something more than a simple townie.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
08-22-2011, 13:24
vote: Chaotix
johnhughthom
08-22-2011, 13:40
That's awesome choxorn, I don't think anybody has ever done one of those big long analysis thingies on me. I try to get people to do them but they think I'm mocking them. Much of the analysis was flawed, but I'm not going to spoil such a good case by defending myself. Good luck with lynching your target!
Death is yonder
08-22-2011, 13:45
In general I'm inclined to believe that the arrival of the dark attacker means that all four mafia members have killed at least once, giving further credence that maybe at least one was lynched.
He quickly rushed forward and swung his mighty axe in a left-swinging arc. Yaropolk managed to slide under it, and attempted to maneuver around his attacker. But the man turned on a heel and swung his axe down, catching Yaropolk's ankle and smashing it to splinters. Yaropolk planted to the ground in agony, screaming in pain. The man looked down at the doomed victim, and held his axe high for a final blow.
But he shifted his eyes away
Clarification 'khaan, is Yaro dead? I know he's on the killed list, but in terms of the write up, it sounds as if the attacker was distracted from finishing him, unless of course, the burning house collapsed on Yaro which killed him.
Alright, now back to pursuing an earlier gut suspect.
Vote: Chaotix
Glyph and Jht are cultists.
I'd like to inquire as to how you came to the conclusion. On a quick skim I don't really see it mentioned anywhere.
Nevertheless, it would be also good to have jht explain why he's been so fluff-filled.
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That's awesome choxorn, I don't think anybody has ever done one of those big long analysis thingies on me. I try to get people to do them but they think I'm mocking them. Much of the analysis was flawed, but I'm not going to spoil such a good case by defending myself. Good luck with lynching your target!
Nevermind, looks like jht isn't going to explain.
johnhughthom
08-22-2011, 13:52
Nevertheless, it would be also good to have jht explain why he's been so fluff-filled.
I haven't had any meaningful contact with anybody else in the game, all I have is fluff. :shrug:
Death is yonder
08-22-2011, 14:31
Unvote; Chaotix
Vote: jht
So does this count as meaningful contact? :tongue:
j/k
Unvote; JHT
Vote: Chaotix
Actually, I have noticed something very bizarre.
Why hasn't Khazaar been wog'd yet? He hasn't voted for ages upon ages while other people have been wogged or replaced?
Is it because he sends in Night Orders or similar?
Vote: Khazaar
Yaropolk
08-22-2011, 16:18
My kill makes me feel warm and fuzzy...I'll tell you why after the end of the game.
Disregard last vote, forgot that GH accused Chaotix and it would be Chaotix's style to kill GH.
unvote; vote: Chaotix
If Khazaar is not wogged, it would be save to lynch him on the good bet he is mafia.
Ironside
08-22-2011, 16:58
I'd like to inquire as to how you came to the conclusion. On a quick skim I don't really see it mentioned anywhere.
Nevertheless, it would be also good to have jht explain why he's been so fluff-filled.
The jht-glyph connection is that jht has switched votes twice saving glyph.
Renata's scan on glyph says he's lying about being a normal townie. While it doesn't say anything about Renata's alignment, her thread behavior is consistant with what she claimed.
Oh, he's also a confirmed lier. Possibly a joke post, but there's things like hiding in plain sight.
Order's coming right up. :7chef:
Might be my own inexperience, but I did also find the early drive towards TLD a bit odd and glypz post stood out there.
Hmmm....
Isn't it that lynching 'random someone' is potentially a 'disaster' lynch, since everyone, unrevealed, has a possibility of having a pro-town role?
You claim that you are a pro-town civilian...
so I'm assuming you're not a pro-town power role...
But you may be lying & actually be scum...
That means...
Your lynch has the least potential of being a 'disaster!'
:yes:
Vote: TheLastDays
And than the post that made Renata go after him:
There's probably a 3 vote lead bet G_E & the next canditate, & at least 10 nonvoters.
Vote: God_Emperor for safe measure...
Why I think they're cult and not mafia. After White_Eyes was lynched, the number of night kills dropped, indicating that he was mafia. Glyph and jht haven't acted like they were allied with white eyes though, rather the opposite, so if I'm correct that they're not basic townies, then they are likely not aligned with mafia. Main option left is cult.
Edit: Cult also better explains the high risks glyph took there for a while.
Earthling
08-22-2011, 17:51
Bunch of stuff on a bunch of people. We lack far too many votes when just a few more active townies should help wrap this up right now. Living people need to
a) vote
b) provide reasons for their votes
If you're townie and not doing this, you're hurting at this point.
So the case on Chaotix is bad. Specifically, it's just flat out wrong to interpret his votes as a real effort to save white_eyes unless you have some extreme assumptions (say TLD, white_eyes, and chaotix were all scum together.) There's no way a scum, wanting to save his partner, would go out of his way to antagonize random townies and set themselves up for suspicion later when the option of pushing a lynch on clearly scummy alternatives could have saved his partner. Plus, Chaotix really lacks the negative connections to any prior scum-heavy events like the GE or attempted TLD lynches.
It's also just a much better, common sense assumption, that the accusations against Chaotix by a cultist and a serial killer, were just because they were trying to defend themselves and not because of anything inherent to Chaotix's role.
So to summarize that, Chaotix could be anything, but the connection to white_eyes just isn't a good case, it's doubtful he really would have acted like he did as scum and be so ineffective. Of course, choxorn and johnhughthom are hardly better lynches right now either. Out of the three I'd probably take johnhughthom but that's an awful choice to be in, other options are much better.
If Khazaar is not wogged, it would be save to lynch him on the good bet he is mafia.
autolycus and Blackadder I think have fewer votes and actually qualify for the WoK as per explicit game rules. I don't think Khaazar has missed 4 votes total and maybe not 3 in a row either- those two have I think. At any rate, I'd say you're right that they should be left for a day or two more and then if WoK action is not taken we have to get rid of them before the endgame, for now we have better priorities.
I had some more to say about Renata being scummy and assumptions of what went on with her being wrong, but it seemed like that would not really be helping decide anything now and we can't ultimately rule out third party alignment for sure on glyphz. So just moving on to glyphz unless people really think that discussion is needed, I'll leave it be. He could be some cult or third party, but he's been roleblocked so many times that his effectiveness would be nullified if he's anyone that mattered too, and his near lynches suggest at best a mere cult recruit.
Basically, it's not an unreasonable hypothesis that glyphz and jht could be cult, but it also doesn't seem like much to worry about right now and of course could simply be not true and just paranoia anyway. They're clearly not mafia or killers, clearly not allied in one big, dangerous cult with the late Andres and GH, and have been acting and voting against the mafia even if they are cult and ultimately anti-town. Unless we make a brutal assumption of multiple anti-town, cult-like groups we still have to deal with on limited reveals, it's more likely taking out Andres and GH was what we needed and not yet another third party group.
Vote: TheLastDays
I'd rather not sit around and be lynched today.
However, can't defend myself from "gut feeling" and "it would be his style".
Do what you will.
At any rate, I'd say you're right that they should be left for a day or two more and then if WoK action is not taken we have to get rid of them before the endgame, for now we have better priorities.
Agreed. Because if they are not wogged, there might be explanations such as night actions which have influenced their longevity.
I don't think there might be a john-glyph connection, as far as I have seen. Could you point this out for me or refer to the post you did, so I have a better understanding about your argument of this?
Yaropolk
08-22-2011, 18:06
Obviously I cannot reveal any night actions, but please don't forget Zack - I don't think glyphz or chaotix are worth the lynch.
Earthling
08-22-2011, 18:24
I don't think there might be a john-glyph connection, as far as I have seen. Could you point this out for me or refer to the post you did, so I have a better understanding about your argument of this?
I was mostly responding to Ironside.
edit - I can further clarify this, in writing that post I was going to quote Ironside, discuss some things about Renata and then move on, I took out the stuff about Renata because I figured people wouldn't read it or care, but the paragraph structure in my prior post makes it seem like I might have continued talking to you, I can see that.
I think Ironside just today pointed out/linked to everything that needs to be said. john clearly changed his votes on the fluffy-wagon and ATPG-wagon day, so effectively he did help in saving glyphz. However, I'm saying I wouldn't hold it against them because:
-the result of those votes was that we seemed to have lynched non-townies at least once in the case of fluffy and pizza anyway, if not both of them
-glyphz, as now has been said by many people in public, was known to have been roleblocked and not a killer
-none of the other votes by glyphz/jht look too bad, nor show any connections to other mafia/cultists/sk we think are already dead
So we have evidence of a possible connection is all, I have to agree with that. There could be no connection just as easily though and its just a coincidence. Given that there are cultist out there, a theory they could be recruits in some cult isn't impossible, but at the same time doesn't seem worth bothering to me.
Earthling
08-22-2011, 18:37
Also mentioning something that I just checked for those curious. Khazaar voted the first six days and just missed the last two, so not woggable yet.
TheLastDays
08-22-2011, 18:43
The jht-glyph connection is that jht has switched votes twice saving glyph.
The problem is, the first time JHT put glyphz into real danger in the first place, late in the day. That would be some ballsy play were they allied. Doesn't say anything aobut them, they could still both be scum (1 Mafia and 1 Cult) but I doubt they are allied.
Can someone enlighten me what the case on Zack was? I'm not too thrilled with the Chaotix case anymore and Yaro's post makes me want to look into Zack but I'm at work so my time is limited.
Ironside
08-22-2011, 18:49
Vote: TheLastDays
I'd rather not sit around and be lynched today.
However, can't defend myself from "gut feeling" and "it would be his style".
Do what you will.
You could explain why you came up with the odd conclusion of not to lynch power roles was the lesson learned from Midgard. Since 2 known powerroles was scum and most of the early townie exposure didn't come from lynching but from duels.
Defending White_Eyes is one thing (although he has pretty much confirmed himself as a non townie based on later behavior), doing it with a flawed defense is another.
autolycus
08-22-2011, 19:14
Sorry that I haven't been paying as much attention to this game as I should have. Chaotix isn't feeling scummy to me, so I'll vote; TheLastDays.
Diamondeye
08-22-2011, 19:16
I have absolutely no idea what is going on. Also, I am going to Vote:Chaotix
GeneralHankerchief
08-22-2011, 19:20
FoS autolycus ; Diamondeye
That excuse at this point in the game = scum searching for a case.
TheLastDays
08-22-2011, 19:36
Sorry that I haven't been paying as much attention to this game as I should have. Chaotix isn't feeling scummy to me, so I'll vote; TheLastDays.
But I do? Combined with the lame excuse of not paying attention I'd just like to hear your reasoning for that vote.
Earthling
08-22-2011, 19:55
Can someone enlighten me what the case on Zack was?
Zack deflected a scan ability when someone tried to scan him, and was attacked by a serial killer and survived. (well, possible sk-ish neutral, no perfect guarantee of what Axeguy was as a character). Zack still has given no explanation, other than "the killer must not have a 100% chance of killing." We had two townies killed by said killer while the other surviver was GE, a non-human, non-townie.
Also, Zack has voted to lynch several townies and in defense of a couple of possible cultists/scum.
Diamondeye
08-22-2011, 20:07
FoS autolycus ; Diamondeye
That excuse at this point in the game = scum searching for a case.
Sorry for just having begun University today. Also, scum.
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