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Renata

09-06-2011, 18:41

Not all scum are Night Killers / They don't have to send in Night Orders.

There is one lurking around some where.

Oh, Beskar.

White_eyes:D

09-06-2011, 19:40

No townie living or dead would believe that bull:daisy: Beskar just said. If you do, I don't know what you have been taking but I want some.:book:

Chaotix

09-06-2011, 19:45

I can't tell whether or not Beskar actually believes what he just spouted from his mouth.

Either way, he's in for a surprise when Ishtar decides to eat him, too. Then he'll see just how "voluntary" it was.

:laugh4:

Diamondeye

09-06-2011, 20:10

What Renata said :laugh4:

TheLastDays

09-06-2011, 20:10

Well, Beskar, you are either the liar behind all of this or you are simply way more naive than I thought. This whole statement os so full of logical errors that I have a hard time reading it without laughing out loud. Let me address some points:

Not all scum are Night Killers and then they don't have to send in Night Orders.

There is one lurking around some where and as it has been argued before, they could have infiltrated the cult by being scum in the first place or recruited out of the cult (ie: Andres).

The host Khaan has made it clear in private message that there is still scum in the game, hence why the game hasn't ended. Cult's victory is as mentioned before is remove the scum from the game and ensure the survival of the cult.

Let me quote the lynch writeup of Chaotix:

'No. No more of this. No more secrecy. No more pretending. The rest have fallen. Not surprising, I suppose, as weak as they were.' Chaotix raised his hands to the sky, and a flash temporarily blinded the room. Chaotix stood before everyone, an aura of white fire pulsing around him. The crowd staggered backwards, most visibly shaken. 'We will settle this, Mainyu. This land, the heavens, the netherworld. None of it belongs to you. How could it, when it is mine?'

Emphasis done by me. That's point #1.
Point #2 is: A Mafia who cannot kill at night, makes no :daisy: sense! Thanks.
Point #3 is: The host has confirmed via PM? To whom? To all cultists? I highly doubt that. So Ishtar says he has confirmed to her? :laugh4: You guys crack me up.
Why then would he write this line in the writeup? Oh, I see, to confuse us. Wait, no. Why then would he confirm via PM that his writeup was BS?

Either way, the normal recruited cultists still win even if Ishtar was the last person standing as indicated by the victory conditions. So trying to persuade people to jeopardise their own victories is a fool's errand at best. Even if the non-cultists wasn't aware, Ishtar has made their ability pretty evident near the start of the cult and has gone into great detail about it. The ability you saw in the write-up was a self-protect ability which requires a life of a cultist to fuel (which empowers Ishtar with the blue glow which then can be used to fight off Hades and his kin) as we are unaware of the abilities of the scum and that Ishtar's life could be in danger, Major Robert Dump willing put his own name forward. He wasn't tricked, duped or similar, he requested it, which in hindsight is probably a fishy move because if he was scum, it could have been a trap to trick Ishtar and get her while she is vulnerable.

:laugh4:

No, seriously.
:laugh4:

This Ishtar-girl has you all under control nicely. Unless it's you, Beskar, nice display of innocence then. Ishtar has an ability to recruit. You still cannot give a reasonable explanation for this if her only goal was to survive. Oh, wait, you claimed she needed to mate with Mainyu as well. Whatever happened to that goal?

Also: Pizza made a very nice case against glyphz, it was pretty much a case of "Let's lynch him" there was no need of public discussion since the dead people are not helpful anyway See: Earthling, Chaotix and the other scummers who are the only ones pretty much talking when others like Death is Yonder, Major Robert Dump, and others with information know the situation agree with the methods being used.

I'm still talking. So, Chaotix killed his scumbuddy to clear me so I could influence everyone while I'm dead?

:laugh4:

Renata

09-06-2011, 20:11

I do remember commenting to someone or other very early on that Beskar was doing his very best "hey, don't look at me I'm a neutral role" impression.

TheLastDays

09-06-2011, 20:26

His recent posts made this appearance increasingly weak. I just don't believe he actually believes this junk. Ergo, he's lying.

Earthling

09-06-2011, 20:32

Beskar, the game rules decisively indicate that no member of the mafia team that consisted of Chaotix/Renata/GE/whoever else is left alive. You're simply wrong to think otherwise. We certainly have a lot of confusion and clues that are hard to add up in various writeups, determine who is neutral or whatever, but I doubt the host would have lied to us like that.

The town isn't going to achieve victory unless Ishtar dies, that seems pretty obvious.

I'd actually think Warman is as good a guess as jht at this point, because the bandwagon to save Warman on the Andres lynch is a very good lead. They both voted against pizza who would be one of their own cultists but most of the others are ruled out as cult leader for other reasons anyway, inactivity or another role. Riedquat is a very outside shot but I think those are the best bets.

Askthepizzaguy

09-06-2011, 20:38

I sure hope it isn't too late to stop him!?

Ironside

09-06-2011, 20:39

His recent posts made this appearance increasingly weak. I just don't believe he actually believes this junk. Ergo, he's lying.

The interesting part is why he's posting it at all.

It's no point lying if it's impossible for the town to win instead of Ishtar. The only thing I can think of is that Ishtar only solo wins and there's still two townies left that can vote Ishtar, while the non-suecidal cultists doesn't vote so Ishtar gets lynched with 2 votes.

I mean it's utterly boring for us and no point of watching if it's simply a mop up by the cult as well.

Beskar

09-06-2011, 20:41

Beskar, the game rules decisively indicate that no member of the mafia team that consisted of Chaotix/Renata/GE/whoever else is left alive.

Were they the same ones which said Chaotix wasn't scum either?

TheLastDays

09-06-2011, 20:44

Beskar, Earthling was wrong about a few things but khaan clearly stated that we would get no indication of having lynched a Mafia character, unless it was the last remaining Mafia.

Renata

09-06-2011, 20:45

I don't think I ever said word one about Chaotix. *innocent look*

Pizza, oh Pizza, the case against Glyphz, sheer genius.

TheLastDays

09-06-2011, 20:46

The interesting part is why he's posting it at all.

It's no point lying if it's impossible for the town to win instead of Ishtar. The only thing I can think of is that Ishtar only solo wins and there's still two townies left that can vote Ishtar, while the non-suecidal cultists doesn't vote so Ishtar gets lynched with 2 votes.

I mean it's utterly boring for us and no point of watching if it's simply a mop up by the cult as well.

I agree with this. Atm my money is on the possibility that the cult members can actually vote against Ishtar and have to do so to win this game. I also doubt khaan would let us watch 3 rounds of 1 kill per night and unanimous votes during the days.

Earthling

09-06-2011, 20:48

The rules went a little bit towards me being right, because the rules strongly imply there were no town roles with the ability to truescan mafia. But it was mostly not the specific rules but common sense that the host hadn't done a horrendous job of game balance, and it seems very much that I was completely right, if Chaotix was scum the cult was anti-town.

I have to agree with Ironside that there seems to be little reason for the game to go on if the cultists are going to all win, because they already have a clear majority, and I don't quite see how the cultists being forced to vote only way exactly works. It could be possible - I would be really impressed if they were told by the host that they were effectively dead weight and had lost the game as townies as soon as they were recruited, but had to keep participating to help the cult leader along. They all did so and that's real effort into the game, even the dead cultists who continued to try to lie and mislead the town for days and days after that died.

It would be completely pathetic but very funny if the cultists thought they were going to win and had free choice the entire time, and aren't going to, even the dead cultists who continued to lie and mislead the town for days and days after they died.

Askthepizzaguy

09-06-2011, 21:04

Pizza, oh Pizza, the case against Glyphz, sheer genius.

Those dots were clear indicators of guilt.

TheLastDays

09-06-2011, 21:10

Those dots were clear indicators of guilt.

:laugh4:

Beskar

09-06-2011, 22:24

Beskar, Earthling was wrong about a few things but khaan clearly stated that we would get no indication of having lynched a Mafia character, unless it was the last remaining Mafia.

What was Andres then, he was clearly not a town in the write-up. Was he the last Mafia then before the other last one?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-06-2011, 22:27

Earthling

09-06-2011, 22:40

What was Andres then, he was clearly not a town in the write-up. Was he the last Mafia then before the other last one?

Andres was a partner of me and GH on a third party/serial killer team.

Does it matter at this point if I am going to die, either by the cult in either phrase?

How about you, Beskar, and Blackadder all don't vote in the next day phase just in case? :laugh4:

TheLastDays

09-06-2011, 22:52

Earthling

09-06-2011, 22:57

Earhling, if you are serious this is a breaking of rules concerning what you can reveal as a dead player.

Anyway, Andres was clearly part of a third party/neutral anti-town thing not with the original Mafia team around Hades.

Nope, I'm in the clear, already know from khaan I'm no closer to breaking any rules than, say, pizza.

There is a fair bit of stuff people have completely missed that I can't reveal, some of it could be figured out publicly, and I'm confused whether Diamondeye or white_eyes are implying they were with the Renata/Chaotix/GE mafia group too. Can't have been five of them, dunno.

TheLastDays

09-06-2011, 23:10

I get the feeling I was the only vanilla role in this game :tongue:

Earthling

09-06-2011, 23:14

presumably all the WoK'd were basic townies. Blackadder not being WoK'd is still rather bothersome, and MRD was not what he said he was, whatever it is he actually is, maybe he got preferential replacement due to being converted into the cult.

Riedquat

09-07-2011, 00:09

I get the feeling I was the only vanilla role in this game :tongue:

But there is people who knows better :yes:

Captain Blackadder

09-07-2011, 01:15

I get the feeling I was the only vanilla role in this game :tongue:

I was as well.

Death is yonder

09-07-2011, 02:38

Andres was a partner of me and GH on a third party/serial killer team.

Lol Earthling just admitted guilt :laugh4: I'd wager that Chaotix was possibly in cahoots with those two, and the real mafia was someone else, which would explain his actions.

Anyways, you know what could be the funniest thing? For all anybody knows the game could be over next morning. Some game hosts conduct it this way, which makes sense from a narrative POV, where lets say the townpeople go to sleep and wake up to find that its all over.

Therefore all these crazy theories are 100% irrelevant unless daybreaks and the game continues, in which case they become theories with a very narrow chance of possibility.

Chaotix

09-07-2011, 03:35

Choxorn

09-07-2011, 03:42

I get the feeling I was the only vanilla role in this game :tongue:

Don't worry, you weren't the only one.

Earthling

09-07-2011, 04:32

I'd argue it's far more probable that you all wake up in a pot of boiling water with Ishtar stoking the firewood, but...

This is clearly a top possibility, and the second alternative is equally obvious, but given what these cultists have figured out so far...

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-07-2011, 15:03

Would it not be funny if town still wins :laugh:?

Death is yonder

09-07-2011, 15:26

I'd argue it's far more probable that you all wake up in a pot of boiling water with Ishtar stoking the firewood, but...

Hey, if you think optimism will get you through this, more power to you, DiY!

:laugh4:

Well hey I mean what have I to lose? You're telling me that I should be shooting my only hope of winning because of your preposterous notions that perhaps we've all been recruited ala parasite 1 cerebrate style and been duped? :tongue:

More power to you Chaotix for believing what you're spouting :clown:

Oh wait... you are, as Earthling would say, a lying scum! :laugh4:

TheLastDays

09-07-2011, 16:10

Yes he is. But I'm not. Answer my concerns :tongue:

Beskar

09-07-2011, 16:22

Andres was a partner of me and GH on a third party/serial killer team.

Interesting how you kept saying I some how lied about Andres when you recruited him.

But thanks to your reveal, you have confirmed my suspicions, now to see who else you recruited then simply win the game.

TheLastDays

09-07-2011, 16:30

Yes, of course, if there were any of Earthlings partners left he would surely go around making this claim. Yes, that sounds reasonable. :laugh4:

Beskar if you really believe this and this turns out in any way similar to what I think it will, I'll go :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

But if you are actually the source of all of this and people are believing what you are spouting it'll be more like :laugh4: :dizzy2: :laugh4: :inquisitive: :laugh4: :jester: :huh: :daisy: ....................... :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

TheLastDays

09-07-2011, 16:33

Lol Earthling just admitted guilt :laugh4: I'd wager that Chaotix was possibly in cahoots with those two, and the real mafia was someone else, which would explain his actions.

Anyways, you know what could be the funniest thing? For all anybody knows the game could be over next morning. Some game hosts conduct it this way, which makes sense from a narrative POV, where lets say the townpeople go to sleep and wake up to find that its all over.

Therefore all these crazy theories are 100% irrelevant unless daybreaks and the game continues, in which case they become theories with a very narrow chance of possibility.

Yes sure, and khaan made you go through a useless night phase as well, where Ishtar protected herself against a non-existent enemy and then allowerd for a day phase where you unnecessarily lynched glyphz. :laugh4:

Or do you believe you actually got the remaining scum by following Pizza's genius case to lynch glyphz?

:laugh4: :laugh4:I wish there was a bigger laughing smiley

Beskar

09-07-2011, 17:31

The Last Days, one word:

Shush.

TheLastDays

09-07-2011, 17:36

Got a problem with what I'm saying. Why?

Beskar

09-07-2011, 17:42

Got a problem with what I'm saying. Why?

Yes, you are unnecessarily bumping the thread and spamming posts which boil down in spams of gibberish and smile-bombing. I'll simply not bother opening anymore until 'khaan updates his summary thread.

TheLastDays

09-07-2011, 17:51

You go ahead and do whatever you like but as long as the game is still running I will not let your posts full of illogical statements go by without a comment because as long as the game is still running I have hope that everyone is still in control of his vote and there's a slight chance that people will do the reasonsble thing and lynch whoever is Ishtar.

From what I've gathered so far I was right about Earthling and Believer and made the mistake of not following up so this time I will keep telling you what I think until. the. end.

Unless I'm told to stop by a mod of course.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-07-2011, 20:47

Beskar

09-08-2011, 01:47

Making you scum, Warman, would be the ultimate troll by the game host.

seireikhaan

09-08-2011, 04:01

A lone figure strode through the empty streets of Babylon. The inner city had become an eery ghost town. In the beginning, there had been a small hum of activity. If you went strolling around, you would surely meet someone. But now, as this lone person walked slowly through, stopping at each split in the road, every fork, to see if there might be a hint of activity, there was none. Those left were apparently too afraid, or to paranoid, or to conniving to leave the sanctum of residence. That, it seemed, was the lot left to them, the loner thought. At least, until...

"Good of you to come, my dear," a dark, female voice called out from a rooftop, heard but unseen. "It is time to repay your debt."

The loner panicked for a second. "But... but... must you?" it responded. "Have I not shown anything but adoration?"

"Yes. You have been good to me. But not good enough. My adoration comes at a higher price. Besides... this is but an intermediary step. A small blip on a long, wonderful journey. I will still be your savior, now and forever. Come, Classical Hero."

Classical Hero closed her eyes, and leaped up the building in a single bound. In a wicker chair sat a woman, adorned in finest jewelry on her wrists and arms. She wore a sleeveless, long dress, colored dark purple. "I am ready, mistress," Classical Hero informed with what she hoped to be a brave voice.

"Excellent.... so let it be." The woman raised her right hand, palm to the starlit sky. A dark blue mist began to flow from the hand, and wafted against the wind over to Classical Hero, and began to wrap itself around and over her. Panic began to take over her, but agony struck harder. Classical Hero bent over double as a searing agony, as though endless nails were piercing all over. Classical Hero blacked out before the woman on the wicker chair. The woman glanced down at the twitching form before her, waiting for it to finally lay still. A few seconds later, satisfied, she grabbed her chair with her left hand, and leaped into the sky with so little effort she seemed to glide.

Alive: 5

Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Johnhughthom
Riedquat
Warman

Killed: 19

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)
TheLastDays (N12)
Major Robert Dump (N13)
Classical Hero (N14

Lynched: 13

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)
Chaotix (D12)
Glyphz (D13)

WoK: 4

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus
dcmort

johnhughthom

09-08-2011, 04:02

Vote: Warman

Chaotix

09-08-2011, 04:14

:laugh4:

I am amazed that johnhughthom has managed to win this game for himself using nothing but unexplained votes.

Truly, I was completely outmatched right from the beginning. Well played indeed.

Now, now, cult-slaves. Time to follow the leader and lynch Warman, so that dearest Ishtar can deep-fry up another one of you for dinner tonight.

Choxorn

09-08-2011, 05:04

If you don't all lynch john now, I will be a very sad panda that is shocked that you are such sheep.

Beskar

09-08-2011, 05:23

Vote: Warman

As my Goddess commands.

Askthepizzaguy

09-08-2011, 05:40

Vote: Warman

I like it though. It's ballsy and effortless. Just makes him look all that much more confident and awesome when he wins.

Askthepizzaguy

09-08-2011, 05:41

Also, if Ishtar wins by eating up her own cultists, I am watching patiently for it to happen. Far too entertaining to pass up.

Surely we wouldn't deny someone such an awesome victory, well-earned? :2thumbsup:

Besides we still need to figure out who Ishtar is.

TheLastDays

09-08-2011, 06:07

Surely we wouldn't deny someone such an awesome victory, well-earned? :2thumbsup:

Besides we still need to figure out who Ishtar is.

I could.

And no, we don't. The cultists probably know or at least have a good enough suspect but they won't lynch her obviously. By the way, what explanation did she give for killing another one tonight? Defense mechanism against the last remaining scum... who cannot attack at night... and doesn't exist... ? :laugh4:

LYNCH ISHTAR!

Choxorn

09-08-2011, 06:33

johnhughthom is Ishtar. That should be obvious by now, and has been for a long time.

Chaotix

09-08-2011, 06:57

The only thing that I regret is not asking Ishtar out to dinner before I died.

She has such fine taste.

Major Robert Dump

09-08-2011, 06:59

Askthepizzaguy

09-08-2011, 07:33

I could.

And no, we don't. The cultists probably know or at least have a good enough suspect but they won't lynch her obviously. By the way, what explanation did she give for killing another one tonight? Defense mechanism against the last remaining scum... who cannot attack at night... and doesn't exist... ? :laugh4:

LYNCH ISHTAR!

No, I would rather see Ishtar eat everyone. That's hilarious and fitting.

TheLastDays

09-08-2011, 08:01

It is hilarious. I still want to be right :tongue:

Secura

09-08-2011, 10:14

That should be obvious by now, and has been for a long time.

:no:

Riedquat

09-08-2011, 12:15

:no:

Of course not, how can all of you confuse a simple servant with a Goddess like me? I'm Ishtar!!!

Vote: warman

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-08-2011, 13:06

I just love how people waste votes on me. Tickes me funny! :laugh4:

Secura

09-08-2011, 13:10

I just love how people waste votes on me. Tickes me funny! :laugh4:

Don't you see what's going on, Warman? The votes against you are not 'wasted', because you're not being lynched as a possible mafia culprit in the first place; you're probably the sole remaining non-cult element remaining and this is just the cult removing the last obstacle in their path.

It's nothing personal, it's just good business.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-08-2011, 13:31

Don't you see what's going on, Warman? The votes against you are not 'wasted', because you're not being lynched as a possible mafia culprit in the first place; you're probably the sole remaining non-cult element remaining and this is just the cult removing the last obstacle in their path.

It's nothing personal, it's just good business.

Yeah I know, I know I was going to die anyhow from them, via lynch or via night phrase.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-08-2011, 13:33

Vote:johnhughthom

I just wish to dead with a full stomach of Cashews,Gingerbreadmen and Milk though please!

TheLastDays

09-08-2011, 13:43

Do we have to watch a lot more rounds like that?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-08-2011, 13:45

I guess. :sad:

Riedquat

09-08-2011, 14:17

Do we have to watch a lot more rounds like that?

No! This is the final one, here and now I achieve my victory conditions and town too! You have my word! If game continues after this vote phase I will eat my own chariot!!

TheLastDays

09-08-2011, 14:24

Yeah, ok, as long as I don't see another zombie-round I'll even take a loss :tongue:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-08-2011, 16:05

No! This is the final one, here and now I achieve my victory conditions and town too! You have my word! If game continues after this vote phase I will eat my own chariot!!

So by voting a fellow townie you going to win the game for us? :inquisitive:

Riedquat

09-08-2011, 16:19

So by voting a fellow townie you going to win the game for us? :inquisitive:

I'm going to win the game for me and my minions! My victory conditions being town aligned are just a coincidence. And you being a fellow townie? :D Come on? You are so townie as TLD was ;)

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-08-2011, 16:21

Hey, I know what my role PM tells me whener you guys want to believe me or not :laugh:!

Renata

09-08-2011, 16:48

TLD, I'm pretty sure you get to lose whether there's another zombie round or not.

TheLastDays

09-08-2011, 19:53

You're right.

Earthling

09-08-2011, 20:26

I was a vanilla townie, just like I said

No, you said you were a role with an ability and then got recruited and became a cultist, never being vanilla at any point. However, it's easy to accept you could be lying both then and here, doesn't really matter.

Blackadder- you ought to vote or else you get WoK'd, just as a friendly heads up. If it denies you cult victory I don't really care but would be a shame for you anyway.

I don't see Warman being a serial killer, classical_hero was a small chance and that sacrifice was smart by the cult, but then again I don't see why the game continued at all the past couple of days. The cult clearly had a majority and should have just won, doesn't even matter if they were anti-town (should have just won with majority) or not (all other scum eliminated anyway).

Very well played by the way Riedquat, whatever you are.

Earthling

09-08-2011, 20:27

The only thing that I regret is not asking Ishtar out to dinner before I died.

I did and got ignored :(

johnhughthom

09-08-2011, 20:29

I did and got ignored :(

Ishtar does not eat at McDonalds.

Riedquat

09-08-2011, 21:16

The cult clearly had a majority and should have just won

If it were for that we should had won like 6 days ago...

Very well played by the way Riedquat, whatever you are.

Thank you!

Riedquat

09-08-2011, 21:19

Ishtar does not eat at McDonalds.

Oh, my faithful servant, don't be jealous! There is enough love in me for everybody! ;)

Earthling

09-08-2011, 21:33

If it were for that we should had won like 6 days ago...

Well yeah, that's why the rest of the cultists probably aren't going to win and you'll just have a solo victory.

The chance that Warman is a serial killer whose elimination will cause town and cult victory is very low. As town victory isn't already achieved we pretty much know you're anti-town, and as the cult didn't win as a group it's a good guess there too.

Just out of curiousity, can you confirm if pizza was one of your cult recruits?

It already looks like he was because he kept providing bad suggestions for the town, implying a cult leader didn't exist and giving no opinions on who she was or that the town needed to get rid of her. Still, would be nice to have confirmation as I'm especially interested what people so worried about the dead talking will think in the end. Not that I'm not personally ok with everything he said, it was fine by me and this game was still much stricter than most with dead talking and did as well as any game could do I imagine, I'm not a fan of arbitrarily restrictive rules that never exactly work on that issue. But I still bet the situation for a few folks contradicts what some other players might have expected, for example, dead cultists still having access to the cult QT. If a living player was sending dead players PMs that clearly goes against what at least some people thought khaan's rules, but reading new posts on a quicktopic and trying to convey that information is really the same. pizza and maybe to a lesser extent other dead cult kept insisting repeatedly what he thought the living should do, based on information he couldn't share, and as there's no way for hosts or players to prove he was or wasn't reading up on the QT that's a little different than for the real dead townies. Also an observation for the future I guess, and we'll find out in the end eventually all the stuff we'd want to know about player status in this game, but just curious now.

Riedquat

09-08-2011, 22:58

Well yeah, that's why the rest of the cultists probably aren't going to win and you'll just have a solo victory.

Nonono, you're wrong here! I owe everything to my worshipers, their support has been paramount, there is not a chance of solo victory for me.

The chance that Warman is a serial killer whose elimination will cause town and cult victory is very low.

Again, who said anything about a serial killer? uh!?

Just out of curiosity, can you confirm if pizza was one of your cult recruits?

I can but I won't! :devilish:

Earthling

09-08-2011, 23:03

Beskar

09-08-2011, 23:20

The game would have ended as per the town victory condition if there was nobody left who is anti-town. If it's not you (by far the most likely though) and not Warman, you still have some serial killer/independent neutral who's infiltrated your group.

Also why Ishtar is doing the sacrificing for self-protection, since it wouldn't work on some one who infiltrated the job (or recruited out of it, like Andres)

And since Andres was recruited out of it after his revival, I believe that is why Ishtar sacrificed him incase.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-08-2011, 23:37

Captain Blackadder

09-09-2011, 02:33

Vote Warman As my goddess commands I shall obey

TheLastDays

09-09-2011, 07:19

Indeed.

Beskar, Andres was lynched. I don't even know why you guys keep this meaningless charade going.

Chaotix

09-09-2011, 16:20

But charades is fun!

It's like, the ultimate party game.

And everybody knows that after a good game of charades the next thing you do at a party is roast the marshmallows. Or in this case, the cultists.

seireikhaan

09-09-2011, 18:31

Round over. Writeup in progress.

seireikhaan

09-09-2011, 22:08

"For the first time anyone could remember, Angra Mainyu approached the day's events with a foul look upon his face. As the round became an eery reenactment of the previous, a solemn event in which a single target was selected without so much as a disagreement or discussion, Mainyu's scowl began to increase. This was not going as he'd figured it would. Where was the chaos? The struggle? It seemed to be a slow march to the beat of a steady drum. By a large margin, Warman was selected as the last remaining hostile force lined against them. With a defiant glare, he allowed himself to be shunted up the base of the stairs."

"But Granpa, if he thought they were wrong, why didn't he do something else?" the young girl asked.

"Well, darling, above all, Mainyu was not going to go down a coward. He set his path. He was going to follow it, even to the end. Which is why, in the end, he would raise his sword to Warman, and end him with one stroke. With the feeling of an ominous cloud hanging overhead, the group was dismissed. A silent Mainyu turned on a heel back to his private quarters to brood over what lay in store.

Warman 4 (Captain Blackadder, Johnhughthom, Beskar, Riedquat)
Johnhughthom 1 (Warman)

Alive: 4

Beskar
Captain Blackadder
Johnhughthom
Riedquat

Killed: 19

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)
TheLastDays (N12)
Major Robert Dump (N13)
Classical Hero (N14

Lynched: 14

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)
Chaotix (D12)
Glyphz (D13)
Warman (D14)

WoK: 4

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus
dcmort

TheLastDays

09-09-2011, 22:26

I expect someone to eat some kind of chariot. Although I'm not sure Riedquat is Ishtar, I suspect someone else, not that it'll matter anymore...

White_eyes:D

09-09-2011, 22:41

Pretty clear all the cultists are still townies....I bet Khaan is laughing his :daisy: off with how there running to there doom thinking it's a victory.:bounce:

Riedquat

09-09-2011, 22:53

Lucky me! I never had a chariot! Now I'm really concerned! To many possibilities and to few people left...
Btw, tld is right! ;)

TheLastDays

09-09-2011, 23:44

You'll find another one of your cult buddies dead tomorrow morning and then you should do the reasonable thing and lynch Ishtar if you still get a chance.

Chaotix

09-09-2011, 23:50

You'll find another one of your cult buddies dead tomorrow morning and then you should do the reasonable thing and lynch Ishtar if you still get a chance.

See, I don't think they're actually allowed to do that.

Once you get converted, I'm pretty sure you gotta do what Miss Ishtar says, no matter what. So their only real chance to win was recognizing what was going to happen two rounds ago and telling the townies to lynch Ishtar since they couldn't.

So, right now it's time for the Lady to bake up some of her famous meat pies, and everyone enjoys those.

White_eyes:D

09-10-2011, 00:06

See, I don't think they're actually allowed to do that.

Once you get converted, I'm pretty sure you gotta do what Miss Ishtar says, no matter what. So their only real chance to win was recognizing what was going to happen two rounds ago and telling the townies to lynch Ishtar since they couldn't. I know Khaan can be cruel, be he doesn't reward stupidity, nor make it that easy. There IS a loophole somewhere(*hint*hint) but they are just embracing there deaths and not looking for it....GG Ishtar.:bow:

Riedquat

09-10-2011, 03:07

You'll find another one of your cult buddies dead tomorrow morning and then you should do the reasonable thing and lynch Ishtar if you still get a chance.

Nooo... really? You still fail to see something really obvious... and mentioned way back... :shrug:

So their only real chance to win was recognizing what was going to happen two rounds ago and telling the townies to lynch Ishtar since they couldn't.

Your math is really off Mr Hades... :no:

Earthling

09-10-2011, 05:05

A few days ago, even with the possibility of some phases extended past 24 hours, I still thought it was too much of a joke to say this game would continue until the start of Capo, but look where we are :laugh4:

The game wouldn't be continuing without multiple factions having a chance of victory, and wouldn't likely continue tonight if there wasn't a chance of a Day 15 too. Seeing how there are no secondary kills to work out and no independent player likely involved we're basically a lock for D15 already. This must be a record number of lynches in a game this size and that's impressive.

Of course, anything less than a serial killer victory would be disappointing here but I think we will still see that, should be hilarious.

TheLastDays

09-10-2011, 08:51

Nooo... really? You still fail to see something really obvious... and mentioned way back... :shrug:

I'm curious now but way too tired and DEAD to actually go back and read everything that was said about the cult. You're not dead, care to enlighten me about what you mean?

Askthepizzaguy

09-10-2011, 16:49

I'm rooting for Ishtar to be the last one standing.

Any who oppose this idea are the silly ones.

TheLastDays

09-10-2011, 17:06

I have no problem with being silly.

Riedquat

09-10-2011, 17:50

I'm curious now but way too tired and DEAD to actually go back and read everything that was said about the cult. You're not dead, care to enlighten me about what you mean?

Who is Ishtar?

I'm rooting for Ishtar to be the last one standing.

Any who oppose this idea are the silly ones.

Indeed, whoever she is, absolutely deserve to WIN. The thing is what would you be doing if still alive... :clown:

TheLastDays

09-10-2011, 18:02

You guys seriously have no clue? My money's on JHT, simply for the reason that I don't believe he'd fall for something like this.

EDIT:
Blackadder was pretty inactive so I can believe that he just follows along.
I obviously overestimated Beskar.
This is your first game so I blame it on inexperience.
But JHT is just a better player than that.

seireikhaan

09-11-2011, 03:03

It was a dismal night which Captain Blackadder was trudging through. A relentless rainstorm had been barraging the city for hours, bringing with it a sharp downturn in the temperature. To boot, fog had rolled in, slashing visibility to nearly none. But, with determination, Captain Blackadder continued to trudge through the torrent and fog to find his abode. An enchanting voice, seemingly singing through the night, caught his attention and brought him to a stand.

"Oh, Captain," it called. "My Captain. Your trip, our trip, is done. The prize we seek will soon be won." Captain Blackadder spun his head, trying to decipher the location of the voice, from where he was being summoned.

"Oh, Captain," it called once more. "My Captain. Rise up, and hear the bells. Rise up. For you, my flag has been flung. For you, my bugle trills." He whipped around, finally locating the source high behind him, upon a rooftop. He immediately vaulted himself up the nearest roof. He could see her outline on the next roof over. The rain was petering out fast. Blackadder wasted little time presenting himself to the woman, who was sitting perched on a chair, legs crossed. He kneeled before her, rain dripping from his face as he lowered it.

"Whatever it is you seek, my Lady. Whatever you desire, ask and I shall comply."

With his head bent over, he did not see her raise her palm to the sky. With the overbearing fog, he could not see the new mist carousing around them. Wordlessly, she imposed her command on him. With a cry of agony, Captain Blackadder fell before the woman, wracked in pain. A faint blue aura could be seen coalescing around her, gathering strength as Captain Blackadder's struggling became twitching, and his twitching became stillness. She reached down and touched the limp body before her, a wry smile on her face.

"My Captain no longer answers. His lips are pale and still. He does not feel my arm. He has no pulse, nor will."

Alive: 3

Beskar
Johnhughthom
Riedquat

Killed: 20

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)
TheLastDays (N12)
Major Robert Dump (N13)
Classical Hero (N14)
Captain Blackadder (N15)

Lynched: 14

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)
Chaotix (D12)
Glyphz (D13)
Warman (D14)

WoK: 4

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus
dcmort

Chaotix

09-11-2011, 03:47

:laugh4:

Whatcha gonna do now, kiddies? Whatcha gonna do?

Askthepizzaguy

09-11-2011, 04:32

:laugh4:

Whatcha gonna do now, kiddies? Whatcha gonna do?

I got three words for ya:

Om Nom Nom.

Choxorn

09-11-2011, 04:41

Strange... why did Ishtar waste time killing the inactive Blackadder?

Askthepizzaguy

09-11-2011, 04:43

Strange... why did Ishtar waste time killing the inactive Blackadder?

Silly Choxorn asks why? Why? Why?

The answer, silly choxorn, is: ALL LURKERS MUST DIE.

edit: No idea. Maybe she thought no one would lynch Blackadder. :shrug:

Earthling

09-11-2011, 05:23

Blackadder was killed because the cult leader doesn't seem to be very clever either.

Beskar is the clear best lynch. He definitely looks like an anti-town serial killer of some sort, the question is whether he's the cult leader or someone else, but for any basic "cult recruit" née townie there are no downsides.

If Beskar is the cult leader, then the lynch takes her out as a serial killer and the town could win. That should mean the regular cultists actually win too instead of getting sacrificed, they obviously need to actually read their victory condition again but lots of people have made that clear.

If he's an anti-cult serial killer, then the cult would win as a group I guess even if the town doesn't with them, no downsides again to the regular cultists.

If he's somehow a basic cultist then the cult leader who is really a serial killer might win, but anyone else as a cult leader is crazy not to have their other underling lynch Beskar because of the obvious threat he's a serial killer opposing you, so that seems like a rather unavoidable outcome if it's even true.

So lynch Beskar, and congratulations or at least nice effort to john and Riedquat whatever shakes down for everybody else's victories.

TheLastDays

09-11-2011, 07:50

Sorry, Earthling, but this last post doesn't make too much sense.

The cult leader is obviously the killer here, the writeups show as much and I don't believe we have a serial killer who infiltrated the cult and is now mimicking the cult leader to kill the cult.

I think John's the cult leader, for reasons stated above. I simply refuse to believe that he fell for the illogical things Beskar was spouting and if he did, well, I blame him :tongue:

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 07:53

nononoo!! they are messing with my fragile mind!

Pizza, I make you direct responsible of what is going to happen!

Earthling, yes Pizza apparently was cult, it was way back much before i was recruited...

The ritual sacrifice of Captain Blackadder makes no sense... I was sure it was going to be me the chosen one.

Earthling, stop! Serial killer? There is no serial killer... there are only 3 cultist, if we believe Ishtar, one of two is the last scum...

TheLastDays

09-11-2011, 07:56

there are only 3 cultist, if we believe Ishtar, one of two is the last scum...

And that would be Ishtar.

If it's you, good game, I don't think it's you, but it wouldn't be my first mistake. So what is Ishtar telling you, who are you supposed to vote for today?.

Earthling

09-11-2011, 08:03

Ishtar is a serial killer, but if you don't believe that you have to believe someone else is a serial killer and that's what keeping the cult from winning. That's using the term loosely if that's what is confusing you, I'm not saying they just committed the nightkills, but a one-person team who wins alone when everyone else dies.

And of course the Blackadder sacrifice makes no sense if you assume your cult leader is actually on your side. You really ought to review your victory conditions, best is if you could accurately summarize your victory conditions in thread and people could comment.

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 08:07

And that would be Ishtar.

If it's you, good game, I don't think it's you, but it wouldn't be my first mistake. So what is Ishtar telling you, who are you supposed to vote for today?.

Uh?! No! Its not me! Ishtar kill one of us each night, cultist only. She still says we must get rid of one last scum, that one being me or the other cultist... Do you need a calculator to do the math?

Askthepizzaguy

09-11-2011, 08:14

Beskar, JHT, or Reidquat?

I'm inclined to let Reidquat win even if he's scum, just because he's escaped everyone's attention so well.

Beskar played a decent game if he's scum, but he also got on everyone's scum radar at one point or another, so if he loses he deserves it.

Johnhughthom I have trouble reading, but lately I've been able to get him.

You must determine which of these three is Ishtar and destroy her; or even if that theory is wrong, you know that there's at least one scum remaining who is not Ishtar, so, whoever is not Ishtar can simply vote for the person they believe to be not Ishtar if they think Ishtar is clean; if they think Ishtar is dirty, they can vote Ishtar.

Askthepizzaguy

09-11-2011, 08:16

Earthling, yes Pizza apparently was cult, it was way back much before i was recruited...

But Riedquat, even if that were the case, what was my win conditon? If you and I are both cult, you'd know.

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 08:22

You really ought to review your victory conditions, best is if you could accurately summarize your victory conditions in thread and people could comment.

Well, I'm really drunk to try paraphrase them now but they are very simple, I win as townie or/and as cult... :2thumbsup: :laugh4::laugh4:
That is why I believed there was still a chance to win as town and cult if the last scum(independent role or whatever) was warman

:balloon2:

Earthling

09-11-2011, 08:31

The point is there's no such thing as cult victory. How was that explained to you? Did cult victory require a total of x cultists, or y players remaining, or what, and if so why isn't it achieved?

The mafia have been eliminated by the game rules. There are no "scum" left, unless you assume a second serial killer.

I'm also inclined to believe Riedquat isn't Ishtar, and while johnhughthom could be, Beskar is something anti-town anyway. Read his posts and there's plenty of evidence that can be further quoted if needed, he lied about the game setup, accused the mafia based on ability result evidence that did not originate from the town, and was way too concerned with his own survival. The reasons for thinking he's cult are the particular lies he perpetuated, and that he bossed cultist MRD around when the assumption some other player was doing so is very poor, but if he's an independent SK he'll lose if he gets lynched and that's good enough.

So really you just need to vote for Beskar Riedquat, and get johnhughthom to do so but he should be happy to no matter what he is, lynch Beskar and john wins regardless.

Askthepizzaguy

09-11-2011, 08:36

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 08:36

Beskar, JHT, or Reidquat?

I'm inclined to let Reidquat win even if he's scum, just because he's escaped everyone's attention so well.

Reidquat scaped my attention to... who is he? :stare:

But Riedquat, even if that were the case, what was my win conditon? If you and I are both cult, you'd know.

I answered that in the above post?

Askthepizzaguy

09-11-2011, 08:41

I answered that in the above post?

Okay then. You know who is fighting for the same interests you have, and who should have no interest in this fight at all if it is just 3 cultists remaining.

It's obvious then that Earthling wants you to lose; unless he became cult.

Was he ever cult?

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 08:46

Choxorn

09-11-2011, 09:03

I've said it before, I'll say it again: JHT must die, and he must die now.

Askthepizzaguy

09-11-2011, 09:04

I've said it before, I'll say it again: JHT must die, and he must die now.

What reasons?

Earthling

09-11-2011, 09:08

No, Beskar needs to die. If the cult can win as a group, he's the anti-cult SK preventing it, if not he's still a remaining anti-town, so the other two alive clearly should lynch him anyway. There's evidence towards Beskar being anti-town since the start rather than being converted which could work for both Riedquat and john.

TheLastDays

09-11-2011, 10:37

My stake in this is that I want the town to win, not the cult, easy as that. So, how does the cult win? So, Ishtar says there is another scumbag left. So what is the thing she really needs to find him? TIME!

What does Ishtar do? Reduce HER OWN NUMBERS, one by one, each night. She doesn't buy time, she reduces the time and helps the remaining scumbag win. She is manipulating the very victory conditions she claims to have thus she is lying about her victory conditions.l

Askthepizzaguy

09-11-2011, 10:52

Death is yonder

09-11-2011, 11:13

He's obviously trying to secure the very thing that he publicly proposes that "everyone" should be trying to prevent, a victory for the solo scumbag infiltrator remaining :laugh4:

Lets not forget that it was Secura that accused TLD with evidence that despite her being unable to divulge, she considered to be very strong indications of his guilt. And even more so lets not forget that it was Earthling, the self-confessed lying scumbag working in cahoots with Andres, a definite scum, who defended him.

I'd now like to happily note that it is Chaotix (Hades), Earthling (Self-Confessed to be in the same team as Scum Andres) and TLD (Strong Out of Thread Evidence for guilt from a confirmed pro-town) who are the only ones that are constantly posting 'doom messages' of how Ishtar is going to eat all the cultists.

Clearly one should ignore the dead scums and instead focus on the living people.

Diamondeye

09-11-2011, 11:43

It's obviously Riedquat, Beskar or JHT.

Seriously those are the only three people inherently more scummy than me. How could this happen.

TheLastDays

09-11-2011, 14:19

This reasoning is beyond suspect. Look, there's no one left besides the cult. Obviously if there is a scumbag remaining it is an infiltrator.

What are you trying to pull?

He's obviously trying to secure the very thing that he publicly proposes that "everyone" should be trying to prevent, a victory for the solo scumbag infiltrator remaining :laugh4:

Lets not forget that it was Secura that accused TLD with evidence that despite her being unable to divulge, she considered to be very strong indications of his guilt. And even more so lets not forget that it was Earthling, the self-confessed lying scumbag working in cahoots with Andres, a definite scum, who defended him.

I'd now like to happily note that it is Chaotix (Hades), Earthling (Self-Confessed to be in the same team as Scum Andres) and TLD (Strong Out of Thread Evidence for guilt from a confirmed pro-town) who are the only ones that are constantly posting 'doom messages' of how Ishtar is going to eat all the cultists.

Clearly one should ignore the dead scums and instead focus on the living people.

What? I mean have you all agreed to play some kind of elaborate prank on me? You can't seriously believe what you're saying. Wait for Secura to talk after the game.

Yes. I was in a scum team with Chaotix and Earthling. That's why I heavily accused Earthling and he never stopped going after me. It's also why Chaotix killed me. Seriously we still fail to see how we could lose with this plan, we're really surprised.

Now seriously, what do you guys think? That there's a scumbag and Ishtar tries to win for the cult by getting rid of him? If that's true, poor job M'lady, taking out your whole cult before finding the infiltrator.

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 16:20

It's obviously Riedquat, Beskar or JHT.

Seriously those are the only three people inherently more scummy than me. How could this happen.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 16:31

What? I mean have you all agreed to play some kind of elaborate prank on me? You can't seriously believe what you're saying. Wait for Secura to talk after the game.

Yes. I was in a scum team with Chaotix and Earthling. That's why I heavily accused Earthling and he never stopped going after me. It's also why Chaotix killed me. Seriously we still fail to see how we could lose with this plan, we're really surprised.

Now seriously, what do you guys think? That there's a scumbag and Ishtar tries to win for the cult by getting rid of him? If that's true, poor job M'lady, taking out your whole cult before finding the infiltrator.

All i see is people who had an alternate victory condition giving their opinions... except few exceptions...

Dear dead cultists, please consider how things could have changed since you were alive... while what you say makes sense there are some things that really doesn't...

TLD, you forgot to mention apart of being in a scum team with earthling and chaotix you also were part of another cult... :yes: :laugh4::clown:

Death is yonder

09-11-2011, 16:34

Seriously those are the only three people inherently more scummy than me. How could this happen

Must have been too busy lynching your 39.5% scummy corpse :clown:

Interestingly TLD is now 0.5% more scummy than you!

What? I mean have you all agreed to play some kind of elaborate prank on me? You can't seriously believe what you're saying. Wait for Secura to talk after the game.

Yes. I was in a scum team with Chaotix and Earthling. That's why I heavily accused Earthling and he never stopped going after me. It's also why Chaotix killed me. Seriously we still fail to see how we could lose with this plan, we're really surprised.

Now seriously, what do you guys think? That there's a scumbag and Ishtar tries to win for the cult by getting rid of him? If that's true, poor job M'lady, taking out your whole cult before finding the infiltrator.

So what you're saying is that 'khaan is a merciless bloodthirsty game host who takes a manic delight in the confused plight of the recruited cult members whose true goals are actually to lynch the person who recruited them into a false brainwashing cult that actually doesn't involve them at all despite whatever their role had said (see Riedquat's post) and is purely designed to confuse them and to make life difficult? :thinking:

No you sir, cannot seriously believe what you are saying :laugh4:

Hey its day phase, will the non-scum please stand up and lynch the infiltrator? :tongue:

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 16:46

So what you're saying is that 'khaan is a merciless bloodthirsty game host who takes a manic delight in the confused plight of the recruited cult members whose true goals are actually to lynch the person who recruited them into a false brainwashing cult that actually doesn't involve them at all despite whatever their role had said (see Riedquat's post) and is purely designed to confuse them and to make life difficult? :thinking:

Yes!!! :yes::yes:

If that is not the case why we had all the time the ability to vote against our beloved goddess Beskar Ishtar?

Now look at my lips when google translator says it,

I am the only non-scum if there is an infiltrator!

Vote: johnhughthom

Beskar

09-11-2011, 16:47

I have to admit, it is pretty hilarious that this is like only one of the few mafia games where the dead scum dominate the "ghost" chat. Generally scum go quiet because no one listens to them and there are very active town elements but in this game it has been the opposite. From example, Earthling persuading the lynch away from Chaotix on both occasions with "support".

johnhughthom

09-11-2011, 17:09

Vote: Riedquat

Chaotix

09-11-2011, 17:10

Well hold on a second. The Ishtar-as-SK theory was starting to make sense, but if it says you can win as cult then Khaan wasn't lying; you can win as cult.

Therefore to lynch Ishtar is to commit suicide. Why Earthling is pushing that theory when it shouldn't affect his win condition either way makes no sense; therefore he's trying to sabotage someone's win condition.

If he has a stake in this fight, then there's a scumbag still alive.

:laugh4:

Oh, ATPG. If they lynch Ishtar, they lose?

And if they don't lynch Ishtar, they lose as well? I love the conclusions you come up to.

The simple fact of the matter is that at least one living person knows who Ishtar is for certain; there would be no other way to keep the cult going.

Further, take notice of the fact that, despite this, neither Riedquat nor Beskar have voted.

Why is this? Well, it's because johnhughthom hasn't showed up yet, to tell them who to vote for. As in, they can't choose their own votes.

No matter what, they can't lynch Ishtar even if they want to now, because Ishtar has not ordered it.

EDIT: Oh, here he is. No explanation, no worries. I expect Beskar to follow suit now.

Beskar

09-11-2011, 17:12

Further, take notice of the fact that, despite this, neither Riedquat nor Beskar have voted.

Riedquat voted Johnhughthom.

Death is yonder

09-11-2011, 17:25

Yes!!! :yes::yes:

If that is not the case why we had all the time the ability to vote against our beloved goddess Beskar Ishtar?

Now look at my lips when google translator says it,

I am the only non-scum if there is an infiltrator!

Vote: johnhughthom

So now there are two infiltrators? Its all been a lie? :inquisitive:

And game hosts are here to mess with our minds intentionally, defying every pre-established rule even for mad geniuses like ATPG? :inquisitive:

Which pill have you taken my friend? Come, take the red pill, and see the light of it all, past the drone of the dead scumbags. Or have you shown your hand... too soon?

https://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9418/morpheusredorbluepillthj.jpg

Beskar

09-11-2011, 17:38

On the reasoning known to the cult members through our discussion within the quicktopic.

Vote: Riedquat

May the Goddess save us all, and take us within her holy bosom.

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 19:07

:laugh4:

Oh, ATPG. If they lynch Ishtar, they lose?

And if they don't lynch Ishtar, they lose as well? I love the conclusions you come up to.

The simple fact of the matter is that at least one living person knows who Ishtar is for certain; there would be no other way to keep the cult going.

Further, take notice of the fact that, despite this, neither Riedquat nor Beskar have voted.

Why is this? Well, it's because johnhughthom hasn't showed up yet, to tell them who to vote for. As in, they can't choose their own votes.

No matter what, they can't lynch Ishtar even if they want to now, because Ishtar has not ordered it.

EDIT: Oh, here he is. No explanation, no worries. I expect Beskar to follow suit now.

Unvote; vote : Beskar See your theory is wrong! The host has confirmed I can vote whoever I want to...

unvote; vote: johnhughthom

I'm not returning to the quicktopic, there is no point. john, have you told Beskar you contacted Captain B. and me yesterday night? Btw, Beskar why you told john you weren't going to sacrifice him last night?

You both deserve to die and I deserve to win like the last townie alive! :clown:

Earthling

09-11-2011, 19:07

Earthling

09-11-2011, 19:10

Yes. I was in a scum team with Chaotix and Earthling.

Diamondeye was the godfather actually due to his evil black blood, as seen in the writeups.

Tratorix

09-11-2011, 19:20

It's incredibly obvious all the cultists were like this, they didn't even know the identity of their cult leader who is really a serial killer.

If they're victory conditions didn't change, they didn't learn Ishtar's identity and they're ability to vote or act at night isn't changed, what was the point of Ishtar recruiting them in the first place?

Earthling

09-11-2011, 19:23

So she could sacrifice them and achieve her own victory, and it apparently served as a truescan for mafia or her other enemies. Things might have been devious enough to trick people into voting however she wanted or she might have been able to recruit one lieutenant (MRD) who was really on her side or something like that.

john, you gain nothing from lynching Riedquat that you don't get from lynching Beskar, and it's a better move as a player.

Beskar

09-11-2011, 19:28

john, you gain nothing from lynching Riedquat that you don't get from lynching Beskar, and it's a better move as a player.

Yes, because following the advice of known scum is definitely the best move. :bow:

But I applaud you for making sure Riedquat is the best lynch choice for today with your comments.

TheLastDays

09-11-2011, 19:29

Beskar, vote JHT, you know you want to win.

and:

So what you're saying is that 'khaan is a merciless bloodthirsty game host...

Yes :yes:

...who takes a manic delight in the confused plight of the recruited cult members...

Hell, yeah! :laugh4:

...whose true goals are actually to lynch the person who recruited them into a false brainwashing cult that actually doesn't involve them at all despite whatever their role had said (see Riedquat's post) and is purely designed to confuse them and to make life difficult? :thinking:

It's the most logical conclusion. Look at the evidence. :yes:

TheLastDays

09-11-2011, 19:30

Yes, because following the advice of known scum is definitely the best move. :bow:

Follow mine then. I aam and have always been a townie (in this game).

Earthling

09-11-2011, 19:40

But I applaud you for making sure Riedquat is the best lynch choice for today with your comments.

Yep, if Riedquat is lynched and town victory achieved I'll take all credit and glory.

Much more likely, and I'm fine with it as it'd be all we get at this point anyway, is john achieving a serial killer victory. Where again it doesn't matter to him if you or Riedquat is lynched but it's more sporting to let Riedquat be, for doing nothing really wrong and his loyalty the whole game.

It ought to be the case that john can't lose to one of you as long as he isn't lynched, but he should lynch you to be sure you lose.

Choxorn

09-11-2011, 20:31

While I'm usually not inclined to agree with dead scumbags, in this case, I completely agree with Earthling that JHT is a serial killer and really needs to be lynched now. If he isn't, then nothing makes sense anymore. It's certainly not Riedquat, and Beskar's been way too self-destructive and risky for that role.

JHT has spent the entire game acting scummy and getting away with it. I believe I've pointed that out at least once.

Beskar, if you're capable of voting against him, do so. Vote him if you want to live and win.

Earthling

09-11-2011, 20:42

Beskar is the serial killer who needs to be killed, and you're wrong anyway choxorn.

Riedquat, you do need to vote for Beskar even if it seems like you're getting lynched. You'll likely lose if you get lynched, but you're guaranteed to lose if you leave your vote like that because no one will vote to save you.

Beskar may swing his vote to get john lynched but that would mean everyone loses with him as a SK and you, Riedquat will also lose.

If you vote for Beskar, and john manages to change his mind, there's at least a chance you could win Riedquat. (Changing your vote to nothing at all/abstain or to yourself would accomplish the same thing, but that's silly from your perspective).

Beskar

09-11-2011, 21:17

Beskar is the serial killer who needs to be killed, and you're wrong anyway choxorn.

What serial killer?

The Goddess isn't a serial-killer (as in, goes around murdering) and there is no information at least revealed to me of the nature of the last remaining scum. Since the scum is most likely on your team, you wouldn't be calling for their death (ie: mine).

Silly Earthling.

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 21:30

john, you can't honestly believe Riedquat is a serial killer opposing your victory condition. He's a basic townie => basic cultist. It might make no difference to you whether you lynch him or Beskar, but you should lynch Beskar for much worse play and the legitimate threat to your own victory. You win no matter what.

Earthling, dude you have made an incredible job all the game long but when you say things like these ones I wonder what drugs are you on? What the flying :daisy: are you talking about? How would that work out? or Do you want Beskar voting himself? :inquisitive:

Death is Yonder, not a single thing you said in your posts is correct, not even the stuff you really think is true but aren't clever enough to figure out it's not.

For the record it's quite clear that khaan didn't even lie to the players by making them think they had the wrong victory condition, because the cultists seemed to never be cultists anyway. Andres, who was anti-Ishtar but had little reason to lie to the town, pretty much clarified how their recruitment worked.

First part about DiY, you are plain wrong... the few things DiY can be missing are mostly due to he being dead for a while.

Khaan did mess with my brain a bit, but that could be also attributed to my pretty lame understanding of this language... about Andres, you better shut up, because if you keep defending him it only proves Beskar's and otherss point, you were in same team. I hate Andres!! Do you realize he was the only cultist who got offered a golden chariot in his recruitment? I have been crying out loud for my chariot since I got recruited, I got nothing but bad memories! :laugh4: :clown:

He was not given Ishtar's identity by the host.
May or may not have had access to the cult Quicktopic that some of the dead cultists still imply they are referencing, as are some living ones.

It's incredibly obvious all the cultists were like this, they didn't even know the identity of their cult leader who is really a serial killer.

Nobody of us has given Ishtar identity, the only person I know who got her identity was you here in thread, you made me laugh hard when you noticed the misspelled Anjou name by MRD... do you remember? About the Quick topics .... all I know is after Andres episode a new quicktopic was created, i never got to read the old one.

John winning as a serial killer is fine if he's the one it happens for but again, lynch Beskar and not Riedquat.

Again... Beskar isn't a serial killing, stop using the damned term! And how do you propose this to end? if john vote Beskar he automatically loses any creditability he can have still with Beskar... dont you understand?.... dude I'm feeling like Tarzan trying to teach cheeta to speak english... :help:
How on earth can he achieve that?

So she could sacrifice them and achieve her own victory, and it apparently served as a truescan for mafia or her other enemies. Things might have been devious enough to trick people into voting however she wanted or she might have been able to recruit one lieutenant (MRD) who was really on her side or something like that.

john, you gain nothing from lynching Riedquat that you don't get from lynching Beskar, and it's a better move as a player.

Oh... my god... more of this nonsense? :laugh4: :dizzy2:

Yes, because following the advice of known scum is definitely the best move. :bow:

But I applaud you for making sure Riedquat is the best lynch choice for today with your comments.

:bow:

Follow mine then. I aam and have always been a townie (in this game).

:laugh4: yes sure! Dont you liked janus article in wikipedia, i found interesting the part about a possible nymph/goddess of nature and agriculture, also the great hades killed you for something, didn't he?

Yep, if Riedquat is lynched and town victory achieved I'll take all credit and glory.

It won't happen, but I think you deserve a lot of credit, no matter which side you are or have been.

Much more likely, and I'm fine with it as it'd be all we get at this point anyway, is john achieving a serial killer victory. Where again it doesn't matter to him if you or Riedquat is lynched but it's more sporting to let Riedquat be, for doing nothing really wrong and his loyalty the whole game.

LMAO :laugh4: loyalty... considering I've sent orders to khaan last night to leave the cult and convert myself to atheism I don't feel very loyal... really :clown: :laugh4:

While I'm usually not inclined to agree with dead scumbags, in this case, I completely agree with Earthling that JHT is a serial killer and really needs to be lynched now. If he isn't, then nothing makes sense anymore. It's certainly not Riedquat, and Beskar's been way too self-destructive and risky for that role.

If Earthling has been saying that all the time, I just.. need a new brain... :inquisitive: :dizzy2:
What inclined me to believe more Beskar is the entire paranoia he has been under... if he can act like that he deserves to win...

john, if you are indeed town and I'm losing this for both of us, I'm sorry but you did do wrong when you contacted me and Captain last night...

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 21:50

Bah... I will need therapy after this game... unvote: jht

johnhughthom

09-11-2011, 21:53

Flinch.

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 22:17

:stare:

Option 1: Beskar is telling the truth and there is one infiltrated, that being me. You both vote for me and cult (town?) wins!
Option 2: Beskar is telling the truth and there is one infiltrated, that being john. We both vote for john and cult (town?) wins!
Option 3: Beskar is lying and he is going for a solo victory condition. john and I vote for each other, Beskar untie the vote and the survivor is sacrificed at the night and Beskar win.
Option 4: Beskar is lying and he is going for a solo victory condition but there is also an infiltrated.... :laugh4:

Riedquat

09-11-2011, 23:16

Option 3: Beskar is lying and he is going for a solo victory condition. john and I vote for each other, Beskar untie the vote and the survivor is sacrificed at the night and Beskar win.

Or.. we john and me vote for Beskar and town wins... just a single problem, I believe Beskar...

Vote: jonhughthom

Earthling

09-11-2011, 23:37

Yeah, I'm still right, sorry you're so confused but you really aren't understanding some basic things.

At least 2 of the three remaining players have conflicting victory conditions, and someone is an anti-town serial killer. That's from the game rules, else the game would be over. If you assume khaan is faking things and the game really ended days ago then tons of things could be possible, but otherwise, can't dispute that.

Beskar is an anti-town role and has been from the start, because from very early in the game he lied about the game setup (roles being part of the game which aren't) and lied about getting scan results that were not results from the town. It's pretty likely he got MRD to lie on his behalf, whatever MRD's role and victory conditions actually were as he might have done it just for fun. Just read his posts or ask me to quote them if you dispute this.

So Riedquat, you still don't seem to understand your own victory conditions, let alone those of Ishtar or any other parties. Understandable if you were a basic human player this whole time and got terribly misled by the cult.

For Beskar and john, it's foolish of either to vote for you unless they both know they're a god/serial killer role and think they win no matter what, which is kinda funny, but we'll see.

Ask yourself this though Riedquat: if someone wins a serial killer victory and everybody else loses, would you rather it be john or Beskar? Vote against that person, because they could change their votes before the deadline if your vote makes a difference, or else you should just abstain. Obviously you lose if you get lynched anyway.

Beskar

09-11-2011, 23:59

Beskar is an anti-town role and has been from the start, because from very early in the game he lied about the game setup (roles being part of the game which aren't) and lied about getting scan results that were not results from the town.

Interesting sentence, since the "scan results" are from the recruiting attempts from the Goddess, and they have been correct. Andres, Renata and Chaotix were all scum. You also said I lied about the game setup, also 'very early'. If you actually look very early, I was in Sweden, so such claims about me being very early are bogus. As for "lying about the game setup", there was no such thing. It was a misunderstanding from the wording from the host himself. I would copy and paste the relevant section, but there is a pesky little rule on that..

NO QUOTING PMS, NO QUOTING CHATLOGS, NO SCREENSHOTS, NO ALTERNATE ACCOUNTS, AND NO TRANSLATING PM'S-You may claim whatever you want, including role name, so long as you don't quote my PM's word for word, or very close to word for word.

Since the host used ambiguous wording which made me think Angra Mainyu was a character within the game, it isn't "lying" or classified as "lying" or any form of "deception" on my behalf.

Silly Earthling, having to make up facts and fiction.

Choxorn

09-12-2011, 00:38

... I give up. I have no idea what's going on, this is just too freakin' weird.

White_eyes:D

09-12-2011, 01:22

Riedquat

09-12-2011, 01:42

Yeah, I'm still right, sorry you're so confused but you really aren't understanding some basic things.

At least 2 of the three remaining players have conflicting victory conditions, and someone is an anti-town serial killer. That's from the game rules, else the game would be over. If you assume khaan is faking things and the game really ended days ago then tons of things could be possible, but otherwise, can't dispute that.

Why do you insist in this serial killer thing is beyond my understanding... really. Beskar has been sacrificing cultist, so no serial killing, if there is one is john or me? :dizzy2: A serial killer that has not killed yet? or who has been killing till recruited by the cult?

Beskar is an anti-town role and has been from the start, because from very early in the game he lied about the game setup (roles being part of the game which aren't) and lied about getting scan results that were not results from the town. It's pretty likely he got MRD to lie on his behalf, whatever MRD's role and victory conditions actually were as he might have done it just for fun. Just read his posts or ask me to quote them if you dispute this.

Gosh Earthling, MRD didn't lie in his behalf... You don't have a freaking clue of what you are talking about here... :no:

So Riedquat, you still don't seem to understand your own victory conditions, let alone those of Ishtar or any other parties. Understandable if you were a basic human player this whole time and got terribly misled by the cult.

You are failing to understand the whole situation I am! I am town, Beskar is a goddess and john is something else

Ask yourself this though Riedquat: if someone wins a serial killer victory and everybody else loses, would you rather it be john or Beskar? Vote against that person, because they could change their votes before the deadline if your vote makes a difference, or else you should just abstain. Obviously you lose if you get lynched anyway.

What part of my vote for john you don't understand? :stare:

... I give up. I have no idea what's going on, this is just too freakin' weird.

Really? :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Earthling

09-12-2011, 02:06

A serial killer that has not killed yet? or who has been killing till recruited by the cult?

It's already been said plenty, a serial killer is a one person, anti-town team. Nobody is saying there are mysterious missing nightkills every night. The point is the remaining players do not both share your victory conditions, Riedquat, so you dying means you lose your own victory and someone else wins.

What part of my vote for john you don't understand?

It's the part where you lose that seems to be giving you trouble, becuase you're getting lynched right now. You should vote Beskar, as there's at least a hope john changes his vote to Beskar. Not a guarantee you win there either, but at least a chance.

Earthling

09-12-2011, 02:11

It's funny, most dead people are claiming we could have had a "townie" victory if only we had lynched such and such but a "townie" victory almost never existed.:grin2:

this is "golden rule" all over again....but with one person still winning because that's how Khaan rolls.:clown:

As time goes on it has been looking more and more like the initial setup was a steep uphill battle for the tiown, I agree on that. We would have had more of a shot if the mafia didn't take out two of our power roles very early on by blind luck (assuming traitorix was a town vig but been guessing that for a while). And inactive townies and suicidal, irrationally anti-town neutrals hurt too. Still, there's that slim possibility about Mainyu if Riedquat is lynched.

Riedquat

09-12-2011, 02:48

It's the part where you lose that seems to be giving you trouble, becuase you're getting lynched right now. You should vote Beskar, as there's at least a hope john changes his vote to Beskar. Not a guarantee you win there either, but at least a chance.

Do you know what? I missed Beskar's vote on me... :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

If I vote Beskar and john changes his vote it only will mean I will be night-killed... it is a lose-lose situation for me and has been this way all day long.

Chaotix

09-12-2011, 02:58

Do you know what? I missed Beskar's vote on me... :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

If I vote Beskar and john changes his vote it only will mean I will be night-killed... it is a lose-lose situation for me and has been this way all day long.

Actually, it has been that way since you lynched me.

But technically that does include the entirety of this day.

I have already lost this game, but I am very entertained by johnhughthom's stunning ability to lead lemmings off the side of a cliff using only posts with only one-word sentences.

Earthling

09-12-2011, 02:58

If I vote Beskar and john changes his vote it only will mean I will be night-killed... it is a lose-lose situation for me and has been this way all day long.

Well that's not a perfect guarantee but you're clearly in a bad spot. That's why at least half my posts here were to john telling him to vote Beskar too so then you wouldn't get lynched. You getting lynched almost certainly means the town loses on top of you losing even if you personally had a chance of winning as cult too.

Still think you should at least try to vote for Beskar because again, john could change his vote.

White_eyes:D

09-12-2011, 03:17

I have already lost this game, but I am very entertained by johnhughthom's stunning ability to lead lemmings off the side of a cliff using only posts with only one-word sentences. Yeah, he gets the gold for kicking :daisy: with only one word. These last few rounds are like watching someone punch themselves repeatably. It's painful and you really don't get anything out of it.:mean:

johnhughthom

09-12-2011, 03:24

I have already lost this game, but I am very entertained by johnhughthom's stunning ability to lead lemmings off the side of a cliff using only posts with only one-word sentences.

Nonsense.

Earthling

09-12-2011, 03:34

I have already lost this game, but I am very entertained by johnhughthom's stunning ability to lead lemmings off the side of a cliff using only posts with only one-word sentences.

The funny thing is both john and Beskar each think they have a guarantee of winning when they don't. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see Beskar last second vote on john though.

johnhughthom

09-12-2011, 03:37

The funny thing is both john and Beskar each think they have a guarantee of winning when they don't.

Wrong.

johnhughthom

09-12-2011, 04:13

End.

Beskar

09-12-2011, 04:15

The phase has ended according to the counter.

Riedquat (2): Johnhughthom, Beskar
Johnhughthom (1) : Riedquat

Now it time to see if the right person actually got lynched. :bow:

Riedquat, if you was the last scum and you end up defeated, you played a good game, you slipped entirely under my radar until this last phase.
John, if you was the last scum you got lucky with Riedquat as I would have most likely voted for you. I sincerely do hope you wasn't the last remaining scum though.

johnhughthom

09-12-2011, 04:17

I sincerley wish you could stop posting like Jamie Redknapp.

johnhughthom

09-12-2011, 04:25

I was a basic townie all along, when I got recruited I got the recruitment pm with the "you can win with town or cult" blurb. I have nothing to do with any game twisty stuff.

seireikhaan

09-12-2011, 05:41

Writeup in progress.

Askthepizzaguy

09-12-2011, 06:17

*evil, maniacal laughter*

glyphz

09-12-2011, 06:43

*evil, maniacal laughter*.................................

Askthepizzaguy

09-12-2011, 06:46

Sorry, I felt like being dramatic.

glyphz

09-12-2011, 07:08

seireikhaan

09-12-2011, 07:26

"So this is it, darling," the old man said. He gave a curt glance out the window, which betrayed the fact that she was well past her bedtime. "When day broke again, only three came back. Mainyu didn't even speak to the three gathered before him. He sat on his new throne, tapping a finger impatiently as the three immediately began to fight. Riedquat started the nomination process by accusing Johnhughthom. John retaliated, which left Beskar the determining vote. It didn't take him very long. Despite a short bout of hesitation, he cast his vote for Riedquat, who's behavior and accusations became increasingly odd. The debate continued, as Riedquat was not a quitter. But still, when the bell rung, Beskar and Johnhughthom resolutely drug him before Mainyu.

'Each of you," Mainyu commanded. 'Gaze at me. Lift your heads.' Each one did so, each one with uncertainty in their eyes. Mainyu looked into each one's eyes, with an almost bored look. He looked from Beskar, to John, to Riedquat on his knees between them. Mainyu tilted his head sideways. Riedquat immediately began to gag and fell to the floor in pain. It took him only a second to stop moving. 'Now, as for you two... it is likely one of you has been quite a nuisance,' he said, a finger extended, bouncing it between the two. 'I should just end you both right now, to be safe. Yes, that would be.... safe. No. Go. If either of you are the last one, you have my permission. Go ahead. When the moment is correct, strike. You will either succeed, or you will fail. I will have proper arrangements made for any who come back tomorrow morning. Now... leave.'"

The girl pouted quizzically. "So who did it, Granpa? And what did he have for them? And where are you? And-"

"Ah ah ah, pumpkin," the man said with a wink. "Just let me continue. it's almost over. Now, as for that night..."

Riedquat 2 (Beskar, Johnhughthom)
Johnhughtom 1 (Riedquat)

Alive: 2

Beskar
Johnhughthom

Killed: 20

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)
TheLastDays (N12)
Major Robert Dump (N13)
Classical Hero (N14)
Captain Blackadder (N15)

Lynched: 15

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)
Chaotix (D12)
Glyphz (D13)
Warman (D14)
Riedquat (D15)

WoK: 4

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus
dcmort

Choxorn

09-12-2011, 07:40

Riedquat was innocent? Wow, who could have guessed? :laugh4:

Major Robert Dump

09-12-2011, 07:59

This is a whole lot of LOLZ.

Askthepizzaguy

09-12-2011, 08:37

...

So, does your post mean you're anti-town who is now gloating to your side's victory?

Or are you townie reveling at town's downfall? (or at least the game's imminent conclusion)

edit: or something else entirely?

Oh sweet qlyphz, surely you cannot think that I was ever anything but innocent in this game. The streak continues as scheduled.

That said, with a mislynch on the final round, that can only mean one of two outcomes: The final scum has prevailed, or Ishtar has prevailed. Either one deserves a standing ovation. If it is a final scum, they did very well not bothering to murder anyone, and they became cult by the end, and were not sacrificed. That's ice cold, and worthy of victory. If it was Ishtar all along as many people suspected, then she gobbled up her little devoted followers, who allowed her to do so in spite of their stated townie victory condition.

That's worth a few laughs, to be sure. No matter what, the ending will be amusing as all..... well, Netherworld.

As for who I'm rooting for, it hasn't been the innocents, that's for sure. Lynching me was terrible. :laugh4: I'm just waiting to see who I can congratulate on a stunning performance here. Johnhughthom, with the ice cold poker face, or Beskar, with the.... Beskar-like qualities.

I am fairly sure which one it is though. :wink: I'm not telling.

White_eyes:D

09-12-2011, 08:53

If it was Ishtar all along as many people suspected, then she gobbled up her little devoted followers, who allowed her to do so in spite of their stated townie victory condition.

That's worth a few laughs, to be sure. No matter what, the ending will be amusing as all..... well, Netherworld.I think you once said this quote..."This is like reaching into a pot of boiling water, screaming and then putting your other hand in to pull it out". I have no idea how the Pizzaguy lynch came to be but if this was somewhat like faction wars/everyone mafia, I would not be surprised you were lynched.:grin2:

Askthepizzaguy

09-12-2011, 09:09

Sometimes the villainy is so good that I have to root for it. Like Reenk in The Thing mafia.

Ahhh... great game. This one too, not bad.

Death is yonder

09-12-2011, 11:02

I'd just like to point out that of all the write ups this one would be the most ambiguous of them all.

I would hardly presume to add to that list of 'khaan's supposed 'traits' by adding that he spoils his own finales :tongue:

Now its just time to sit back, and enjoy the finale :yes:

Riedquat

09-12-2011, 13:31

:devilish: There is a fierce and ugly monster under your bed.... and he will eat you over the night! :devilish:

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-12-2011, 13:43

See, I was innocent all along! :laugh4:

Riedquat

09-12-2011, 14:03

See, I was innocent all along! :laugh4:

As you can see me too! :laugh4:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-12-2011, 15:03

Funny how that works out :laugh:!

Choxorn

09-12-2011, 23:55

I have to think that both of them have actually been killers this whole time and they'll kill each other and GAAAAAAAHHHH WHAT THE HECK

johnhughthom

09-13-2011, 12:17

Shall we write our own ending then Beskie?

seireikhaan

09-13-2011, 13:23

Please, have some patience. There's quite a bit I'm going to tie up, but I've something fairly important that needs to be done irl first. Thanks.

johnhughthom

09-13-2011, 13:26

I was only kidding, get the important stuff done first.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-13-2011, 16:12

How about everyone just gives me the win? :laugh: :laugh:

classical_hero

09-13-2011, 17:37

I would have thought when the cult had got rid of not cult members, that the game would be over, but this was not expected.

White_eyes:D

09-13-2011, 22:04

I would have thought when the cult had got rid of not cult members, that the game would be over, but this was not expected. Chaotix was scum but he wasn't lying, didn't need too.:bounce:

seireikhaan

09-15-2011, 06:09

"Yes, that night...." the old man continued.

Following their dismissal, Beskar and Johnhughthom decided not to split up for the night. They went back to Beskar's home, just a short walk away. They didn't speak to each other, though they did give occasional glances. They arrived at a pair of gates leading to a secluded section of the city. Beskar opened them with a key, and welcomed the guest with a gesture. The two continued down a newly re-done road. A large, marble mansion lay off in the distance.

"It's not too bad, is it?" Beskar said with a coy glance. "I haven't remodeled the building itself in a few years though, you'll have to forgive its sloppy appearance." John simply shook his head in amazement as they drew closer. The marble was virtually spotless. He wished he could have seen it in the sunlight, in all its radiant glory. Still, it was far more splendid than any of the many hovels that littered Babylon. They arrived at a set of massive double doors at the front of the mansion. John moved up to lift the one on the right, allowing Beskar to enter first. A large chandelier hung from a large ceiling, with large, burned out candles. Beskar flicked a wrist and they lit, offering light to the forum. A large, rectangular, marble table dominated it, with purple cloth draped over it. "Would you like dinner?" Beskar asked John. He nodded. "Excellent!"

Beskar clapped, and a pair of servants, one male, the other female, emerged from wooden doors on either side of the room. They scurried before Beskar, head bowed the entire time. "Bring us the dinner," Beskar commanded. The two merely bent their heads further, and scurried through the door to the left of the table. "Please, John. Sit," Beskar said, indicating a leather-bound chair at the end of the table. Taking the cue, John sat down, watching Beskar wind around to the other end. "Well, John... were you wondering why I chose you?"

"A bit," he replied. "I assume you had good reason?"

"Oh, of course, my dear. You see, you have been there for me for so long. You've been with me through this chaotic time. Longer than the others. I wanted you to be the last one here, ready to see my plan finally come to fruition. You deserved that much, at least. Ah! And here we are!" The servants had returned, bearing large glass platters, garnished with several meats and exotic fruits. John raised an eyebrow at the lavish display. "Please, please," Beskar urged as the platter was laid before John. "Feel free. It is a small token of my appreciation."

And so with gusto John ate while Beskar sat and watched, refraining from eating. Upon finishing, he noticed the plate opposite him hadn't been touched. He wasn't sure what to make of the situation, nervously glancing around. "Well... aren't you hungry? It must have been a while since you've had anything."

"Well, my dear," Beskar responded, tapping finger to chin. "I suppose i haven't had anything since last night. I guess, come to think of it, it is time. But first, I must ask: was your meal satisfactory? Did it make you feel good?"

"Well.... it was fantastic, I suppose," John answered. The wording of the last sentence was strange, he thought.

"Excellent. It is good that you will die happy. As I said, fitting. And, it's always a bit more satisfying to take a bit of happiness with me." John was startled, but for some reason, he didn't feel panic. More like a strange curiosity. An odd mist began to creep into the room. "My dear, it has been good to know you. But, the time has come. Sadly, I must collect. No worries. I'll hold you closely, forever. So, don't think of it as a goodbye. Think of it as... bonding." Despite the pain in his chest, John sat in his chair quite calmly, until his body eventually failed, slumping him down his his chair. With that, Beskar stood up, surrounded by a sharp, blue aura.

"Time for one last date."

"Now, as the sun rose the next day," the old man continued. "Beskar arrived to find all the doors were opened, and all the veils and curtains had been tossed away. The throne room seemed odd with so much more sunlight streaming in. It was almost a shame that everyone else didn't get to see it. Standing in the middle of the room, at the foot of the stairs, was Mainyu. He held his hands out as Beskar walked in.

'Well, my dear. It seems you've finished. The winner of my challenge has presented herself,' he said. 'It's finally just the two of us. You. Me. Quite entertaining, really. The Heavens? The Netherworld?'

Beskar nodded. 'Yep. They all fell, one by one. As did that False King of Uruk. As did all the other mischievous forces. Just me,' Beskar said, pointing to herself. 'And you.'

'I'm impressed. I really must say, I am,' Mainyu continued. 'You wiped out my own guard, and survived the imminent threat of the Netherworld and the Gods, at the same time. I think we both know where this goes now. I know what you desire. You know what I desire. So, Ishtar,' Mainyu said, with his right hand held out. 'You have survived my tests. You have survived the tests of my enemies. None stand before me. The Heavens are vanquished. The Netherworld is vanquished. I may have lost everything in Babylon, but I have so much more. And so, the rest of the worlds are laid bare before me. Come, join me in rule. Be my queen, be at my side. The greatest, only King can have only the greatest Queen. Everything you desire- wealth, power, everyone else at our command. Well?'

'That's quite the tally you have there,' Ishtar responded with a mischievous smile. 'But gems? Finest clothes? Thrill of the hunt upon command? Hmm.... I suppose that's not a bad offer, not at all... my King,' she said, her grin growing wider. 'I fear you've given me no choice but to accept.'

'Excellent,' Mainyu responded. 'Now, let us go forth, and create a new world. For us.'"

With a sigh, the old man closed his eyes. "Well, my dear. That's it. How did you like it?

"But Granpa, where are you? There's only two people left. And you can't be Ishtar... but," the young girl queried to the old man.

He grinned, and for a moment, allowed his eyes to flash a violent red. The girl gasped. "What can I say, pumpkin. I was more adventurous in my youth," he said with a chuckle.

"But... but... aren't mommy and daddy human? And me?"

"Hehe... well, you see, pumpkin. After a while, grandma and I decided, we wanted to try letting humans run their own world a bit, so we didn't have to do everything. So, we adopted mommy and daddy when they were real young, even younger than you. And we raised them so they would be the best King and Queen they could be. That's why you get to be royalty! You might not be blood, but you're still family."

"Yay!" the girl giggled, reaching out to give a hug. Mainyu accepted it, before setting her back into the bed.

"Now, go to sleep, pumpkin. Daddy and Grandma have planned a celebration for our anniversary, I think..." And so he left the room and the young girl behind. As he jaunted down the hall, he allowed himself to drop his illusion. He turned for a moment to see himself in a mirror hung on a stone wall. His blackened skin was good as old. A shout from a stair case told him that he had alerted the party as to his nearby presence. "Ah, don't worry Dear, I wouldn't miss this for the world...."

ISHTAR VICTORY!

Alive: 1

Beskar

Killed: 21

TinCow (N1)
Tratorix (N1)
Visorslash (N1)
B_ray (N2)
Reenk Roink (N3)
Andres (N4)
Ironside (N4)
Romanic (N5)
Double A (N5)
Earthling (N6)
Believer (N7)
Secura (N8)
Yaropolk (N9)
GeneralHankerchief (N9)
Death is Yonder (N10)
Choxorn (N11)
TheLastDays (N12)
Major Robert Dump (N13)
Classical Hero (N14)
Captain Blackadder (N15)
Johnhughthom (N16)

Lynched: 15

Arjos (D1)
God Emperor (D2)
Fluffy (D3)
Askthepizzaguy (D4)
White eyes (D5)
Renata (D6)
Seon (D7)
Andres (D8)
Zack (D9)
Diamondeye (D10)
Woad&fangs (D11)
Chaotix (D12)
Glyphz (D13)
Warman (D14)
Riedquat (D15)

WoK: 4

SoulBlade
Khazaar
Autolycus
dcmort

More to come soon. People may now reveal roles if they wish.

Beskar

09-15-2011, 06:21

Video expressing my thoughts perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg

On a more serious note, 'khaan wins the most ambiguous written Role PM award. :bow:

Or I simply win the "I totally misread my Role PM" award.

seireikhaan

09-15-2011, 06:43

Roles:

Town:

Aesma Daeva- Romanic (Watcher Mason with Asto Vidatu)
Asto Vidatu- Secura
Kanaloa- SoulBlade (Role Blocker)
Athena- Earthling (Protector)
Murugan- Tratorix (Vigilante)
Hekate- Classical Hero

Mafia:

Yuanshi Tianzun- Renata
Nemesis- TheFluffyOne
Hades- Chaotix
Ereshkigal- White eyes

Neutral:

Gilgamesh- GeneralHankerchief (Teamed serial killer with Enkidu)
Enkidu- Andres

Ishtar- Beskar

Eris- Believer

More details to come, but I am sleepy.

Tratorix

09-15-2011, 06:54

Way to go Beskar. At least those jerks that killed me didn't win this. :bow: Here's my role if anyone's interested.

You are Murugan, god of war and victory. You have grown to detest the ego and jealousy shown by the Heavens and Netherworld, each side showing little but greed in the origins of the great war. The Netherworld, by instigating it in pursuit of souls, and the heavens, by unjustly annexing the former border between man and the Netherworld. It has convinced you that none of them deserve power. So, when Angra Mainyu sent his missives to you, informing you of his plan to unite the worlds, you agreed, despite the risk for Mainyu himself growing out of control. Despite your misgivings, the time has now come for you to fulfill your duty, with Babylon under attack. Each night, you may attempt to vanquish one player. You and Angra Mainyu shall be victorious when all hostile forces are destroyed.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

White_eyes:D

09-15-2011, 07:01

I was just rolling around on the floor laughing when I saw that Beskar was really Ishtar. I really thought it was john till the last round, good show killing your self's and miss getting an easy victory little townies.:2thumbsup:

Even though we lost I had a blast watching this, and congrats to Chaotix going 3 rounds alone under pressure.:bow:

Earthling

09-15-2011, 07:08

Well done Beskar. Hilarious to see the cultists go down like that, town was just looking worse and worse over time (and all of us did die extremely rapidly along with most of mafia roles, most drawn out game ever.)

My only real questions were who actually was town after all and that's partly answered. I figured just me, traitorix, and Romanic who had the ability and not Secura wasn't enough but we really didn't have much after all. And SoulBlade got WoG'd.

I'd pegged traitorix as Murugan after looking up the peacock stuff too but I'm amazed that nobody was Janus! Thought for sure Chaotix had stolen that from a teammate given the writeups.

One last question: What were Zack, God Emperor, and especially classical_hero who openly claimed another power-role??

Here's my Role PM below. Congratulations to Ishtar again.

You are Athena, goddess of war and wisdom. You've witness the aimless violence between the heavens and netherworld, with neither side seeming to have any end goal. You decided you would no longer support war without direction or purpose any longer when Angra Mainyu revealed himself and his grand plan. A unified plane of existence, where pointless infighting could be prevented, appealed to you, and so you offered your abilities to him. Now, with his capital under attack, you know what you must do. Each night, you may protect one player aside from yourself from attack. Victory will be had when all forces hostile to Angra Mainyu(the town) are vanquished.

seireikhaan

09-15-2011, 07:28

glyphz

09-15-2011, 08:22

Mafia:

Yuanshi Tianzun- Renata
Nemesis- TheFluffyOne
Hades- Chaotix
Ereshkigal- White eyes

Fluffy was actually mafia?! The irony... :laugh4:

ANd that explains the 'guilty' reading on me. The rest of the mafia (Renata, Chaotix and White_eyes) were trying to frame me...:dizzy2:
Thank you town for not taking the bait, and turning the tables on 'em (though you almost took it ...thrice).

Congratulations Beskar!:balloon:
You did well avoiding general suspicion!

Can't wait for the write-up, if there's one in the works.

Til then, thank you 'khaan for hosting:bow:

Earthling

09-15-2011, 08:33

I am really glad we saved you from getting lynched too. Except in the late game we didn't manage that of course.

Romanic scanned fluffy as active at night so always a possibility along with Renata and white_eyes, but I am surprised GE was nobody after his own posts and claims.

And that should clear up any ambiguity for pizza on why he got lynched. Wonder if he was a "cultist" after all still.

mafia, pizza who just happened to be voting in favor of the same mafia voting block, mafia, mafia,

Town pretty much just couldn't do anything otherwise on reveal-less lynches and we did get all the right calls in.

Beskar

09-15-2011, 08:35

Here is my role pm, I'll list what I thought after I read it.
You are Ishtar, goddess of war and love. You have been in Babylon for many years, having been shunned by the gods for the tendency of “misfortune” to befall your many lovers. Your sister, Ereshkigal, made it abundantly clear in your journey to the Netherworld you were not welcome there either. So, you have made a living preying on men, enjoying the chase and thrill, ultimately disposing of the poor souls when finished. Now, the arrival of Angra Mainyu presents a new opportunity. His proclaimed goal of a united world is, as you are quite aware, ridiculous. But, he does represent the ultimate chase. If you could perhaps single him out, make him alone, strip him of his followers and support, you could have victory. In the meantime, you shall continue your pursuit of the chase.

Each night, you may target one player to “visit”, after which they will most likely become your secret follower. Another option, each night, is to sacrifice one of your followers, to drain their strength and power to give you the strength to fight off an attack. Ultimately, you have no real attachment to any of these people. Mainyu is the real goal. You may only convert or sacrifice at night, not both. If you sacrifice a convert and are not attacked, the protection it provides will not last past the night, so you you will need to sacrifice another to be protected the next night. It will not protect from lynch.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

When I first read the role, this is what I thought:
I am a neutral-town aligned role.
I have a two stage ability, one flagged them for being able to sacrifice, the second ability is to sacrifice for self-protect.
My goal is to sleep with Angra Mainyu.

This is what I ended up being in reality:
I am a serial killer role.
I have two abilities, one recruits them into a quicktopic and flags them, also acts as an investigator-lite. The second is a self-protect I can use.
I had to be the last one standing.

This lead to some really stupid moves in the beginning on my part since I was mainly just messing around and I was going on Holiday. So this is my logic for the following rounds.

Night One - No orders (Thought we was starting on a day phase)

So I decided, "Alright, who should I sleep with?", being a male who is interested in females, I saw we had two female players. Suggesting Secura would feel like incest, so I naturally went for Renata...

Night Two - Renata - Recruitment Failed (Immune)

Bang! I learnt two things instantly. 1) There are people I cannot recruit, most likely power-roles. 2) This could work as an investigative-lite for power roles. Anyway, I was thinking I was neutral-town aligned and I hit a scum, so what now? I decide to tell both Secura and AskthePizzaGuy. Secura some how didn't get the message via MSN, but Pizza was around so I told him that I think I might have got a scum, telling him that I had a 'Whore' role. Anyway, he was told, then I headed off to Sweden where I basically only ever logged in to send night orders since I couldn't read the thread at all.

Anyway, so Night Three I had to send some orders in, so I was thinking "Since the females are gone, who is left..." so I looked around, "Who would I rather do first out of the male members", luckily with his name beginning with A, I didn't have to disturb my thoughts with too much thinking and picked Andres, the Belgium extraordinaire.

Night Three - Andres - Recruitment Success

So now Andres is my minion in a fancy quicktopic as part of a cult. Something I didn't know about at all whilst being on Holiday. During the day phase Andres was apparently going "Hello? Anyone there?" and obviously I couldn't reply and it ended up being the next night phase I had access to a computer. I basically told Andres that my goal is to sleep with Angra Mainyu, but otherwise feel free to act like a normal townie. Anyway, in the morning Andres was dead anyway.

So who did I recruit for Night Four? You might have guessed, upon finding out I am a cultist overload, I had to do the following move. Recruit Askthepizzaguy before he put 1+1 together and realizes who Ishtar is.

Night Four - Askthepizzaguy - Recruitment Success

Unlucky for me, I ended up losing Askthepizzaguy in the lynch! (oh noes) and Andres mysteriously dies without any explanation what so ever. I begin to rethink tactics slightly, "Who would make the best cultist? Who can fly under a radar, got great cunning, and be a great asset?"

Night Five - johnhughthom - Recruitment Success

John is a survivor! A great trait, he ended up lasting till the end of the game. Hands down to him, he is really good. Anyway, John gets told to simply act normal anyway but list any powers if he has any (due to Andres incident), but what is also weird is that Andres gets revived. Upon his revival I get told by 'khaan "Upon his revival, he has lost all ties to the cult". I thought "This could get awkward, I know, I will simply recruitment again.

Note: Since finding out I was cult leader, I tried to refrain from randomly using my self-protect so I could build up vote numbers, thus to turn the game into the towns favour. Plus, randomly killing your cultists will make any new ones suspicious of you. "Hey, is this the cult where they kill their cultists?" cue inthread: "ZOMG GUIZ ISHTAR IS BESKAR".

Night Six - Andres - Recruitment Failed (Immune)

So now I am in a situation, Andres might just have been recruited into a rival cult! It is possible, but now he is running around with full knowledge of Ishtar and friends. Andres = Public Enemy Number 1. Also I was very suspicious of GH because of Andres protecting him and later revival immune. So now I need some one who might survive, I am losing cultists and I seem to be in a very weak position.. I need some one who had more chance of being WoK'd then killed through normal channels, I needed a Captain!

Night Seven - Captain Blackadder - Recruitment Success

I ended up returning from Sweden around this point, I believe, or slightly earlier or later. Anyway, I noticed Major Robert Dump replaced a wogged person. Major Robert Dump is a great guy and I love him, just need to read his posts and topics just to see how lovable he is. So I decided, I needed a Major as well!

Night Eight - Major Robert Dump - Recruitment Success

Anyway, at around this point, Andres might still have had access to the old quicktopic, and hilariously, I just realised. Andres posted in our quicktopic by accident as Enkidu, stupid mistake by me just realising this now, but I thought he was scum anyway after that failed revived and the argument ended up working later (See: Death of Hades). So we got a new quicktopic sorted out for us from 'khaan which for a while, forgot to pass it onto my fellow cultists, so that was a bit empty in the beginning.

While I have got some numbers which would help sway votes in my favour, I needed some heavy hitters. People with really good analytical skills and with reknown in thinking outside of the box.

Night Nine - Death is Yonder - Recruitment Success

Anyway, after getting into the game, Chaotix started picking up on my scumdar with some of his postings. A trait Chaotix hates and once first-nighted me in a mafia game for, is that I some how keep picking up he is scum. Either way, Chaotix is a good player, and it could be a false-alarm, he would be a brilliant asset. So there was really one choice, a do or die test.

Night Ten - Chaotix - Recruitment Failed (Immune)

Perfect! It seems I was right all along, Renata was mafia, so was Andres and now Chaotix is. Time to get the ball rolling on his demise. With the Major Robert Dump volunteering to speak of behalf of the cult, first making its public appearance after Night Three, we make a move on Chaotix. The vote is going well, until it hits a snag, Earthling some one who was apparently a proven pro-town is vouching for Chaotix, Chaotix says he cannot be recruited because he is a god. Here, as the neutral-town aligned goddess decides to try to change the vote away, afterall, my biggest threat is the night killer, what is the best weapon against trying to find and stop them? A roleblocker. So this bought Chaotix a few rounds.

In the night, I looked at who is alive and saw Riedquat. He seemed a nice, lively freshly faced chap, I decide he is good enough to go between my bed sheets for a quickie.

Night Eleven - Riedquat - Recruitment Success

It is coming to the situation where the cult is almost 50/50 controlling the vote. With a few key deaths such as Death is Yonder, I decide to go for classical hero, he seemed some one active enough to follow. But what is interesting, Classical decides to role-claim, saying he is a goddess, thus he is immune and all this sorts. Now I am thinking "oh crud.. another one... one of them must be the mafia surely.."

Night Twelve - Classical Hero - Recruitment Success

"The Last Days also gets night killed" - CHAOTIX IS THE MAFIA CHAOTIX IS THE MAFIA CHAOTIX IS THE MAFIA also on this note, the cult owns 6 of the 10 votes, ie: we control the round. Anyway, now to put my great logic to use and get defeating Chaotix!

I obviously get assaulted by Earthling and a couple of others, who now I think is either a scum partner or a mistaken pro-town, but either way, I know better than you, Earthling! Chaotix going to die! Whether you beg or plead different! Mwahahahahahaha

Everyone votes for Chaotix except for Glyphz. Great, he is probably a scum buddy or similar. Chaotix died and yes, he was Hades.

The game doesn't end. "Hmmm....." So I send 'khaan a pm trying to fish for information.

My second ability allows me to sacrifice my followers and I gain their strength to survive a night attack.

Do I get to pick which follower dies?
Is there a way I know they are still my follower so it works?

'khaan replies:

You can sacrifice one follower of your choice, so yes, you get to pick. As for "knowing" that they are still your follower, with absolute 110% certainty? Technically, no. But, if you recruited them and there has been no other action by another faction to 'recruit' them, then they would still be your follower.

With the Andres situation, I got suspicious. But anyway, after basically revealing myself to the Cult and to the entire town in getting Chaotix lynched, I decide to test out the ability. Major Robert Dump said he would prefer to get killed since he doesn't know what is going on, so I offered to use the ability on him and he agreed to it.

Night Thirteen - Major Robert Dump - Sacrificed

The round was Glyphz, but it was around this point I realised "Angra Mainyu isn't part of the game, is he?" as I re-read the line about "If you could perhaps single him out, make him alone, strip him of his followers and support, you could have victory." I decided "I might have to kill the town then as well, or there might be an infiltrator." Either way, I spoke to the cult about the current plan, that is to kill all the town then I will try searching within the cult. I decide I will search within the cult anyway to be on the safe side and since classical_hero was a goddess...

Night Fourteen - Classical Hero - Sacrificed

So I am ending up asking about 'khaan about my victory condition since it said 'strip him of all support', the vote is going to be on Warman and we know it was a wasted lynch, it was better Warman than anyone else at least, 'khaan replies:

Your victory conditions are to be the only one left- therefore the cultists must die.

What the heck?! Luckily I had already planted a seed of a infiltrator which was still a very real possibility, but at least I know there was a chance the only reason the game hasn't ended is because I needed to kill absolutely everyone. I am left with Captain Blackadder, Johnhughthom and Riedquat. Not the best bunch to have around at this point, especially when Earthling and friends are spamming the thread with "LYNCH ISHTAR" "LYNCH BESKAR" and what not.

Captain Blackadder was the most unreliable. He would be prone to following one of the other two in voting for me, or he might even get wogged, making the game hang in a draw. So I decide to make him my choice.

Night Fifteen - Captain Blackadder - Sacrificed

I needed a plan and a desperate one at that, I just got told I had to kill them all! I spoke to Johnhughthom, he seemed supportive of me, great, but he is most likely the one to turn on me. Riedquat is new, he might be easily impressionable. I decide to use the favoritism card. "Hey Riedquat, I am going to take the risk and trust you, I think it might be John, he has been around the longest and Andres would have known about him." This is all true and valid, but hey, I work with the truth, it is how I roll.

What does Riedquat do to respond? He goes and tells johnhughthom!

The ball is rolling, Riedquat just outed my easy-win scheme, I need to think fast on my feet. John: "You are trying to betray me aren't you?", Me: "Being honest, I was simply saying the truth, I thought I would do it to fish information out of Riedquat". John knows I pull these stunts, John: "It's you, so I would buy into that", perfect, I might be able to keep John neutral, but John is getting more and more susipicious. Now it is to "reveal everything", strategy, plans and all, even explain my reasoning for lynching off Captain Blackadder, because town or mafia, he was a reliability. Riedquat isn't giving up, he is going to take me down and John working aside him, he is going to do it, oh my, he is on my heels, he is going to get me...

Riedquat: Vote: Johnhughthom

WHAT?!? ..... it's a trap! He is getting me to vote for John to catch me out, they did it together to trick me! Haha, I am the Almighty Beskar, do you think I will simply drink from the Wine In Front Of Me? I play to outmaneuver Riedquat, I message John.

Me: What the... I was 100% positive he was going to vote for me"
John:"I was going to vote for you, I rather lose to a new guy than you, Beskie, but now I am not too sure"

Yes! Riedquat made his first mistake! Then here comes the second mistake after both me and John ask him in the quicktopic why he voted for John.
Riedquat:I'm not returning to the quicktopic, there is no point.

DING DING DING! He just completely whisked me straight out of the jaws of defeat. This really upsets John, I simply play my part, and with Riedquat making the situation worse and worse with various slip-ups, I simply glide towards the finish line...

Riedquat lynched.

Then I message 'khaan to sacrifice John.

The End.

Here are the quicktopics:
First quicktopic - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/7wxUuicq7dEDS
Second quicktopic - http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/8K9X8M54ZzaUd

Diamondeye

09-15-2011, 08:53

Awesome ending! Thanks for the game, Khaan. It really was exciting :) Glad Beskar got vindication from our loss last game...

Death is yonder

09-15-2011, 09:14

Hmmph, my role was a lie! :snobby:

Great job to Beskar, congrats on the solo victory, and especially well played on the last round :bow:

And thanks to 'khaan for hosting, I enjoyed the narrative style! :bow:

I eat my words though:

So what you're saying is that 'khaan is a merciless bloodthirsty game host who takes a manic delight in the confused plight of the recruited cult members whose true goals are actually to lynch the person who recruited them into a false brainwashing cult that actually doesn't involve them at all despite whatever their role had said and is purely designed to confuse them and to make life difficult?

:clown:

Major Robert Dump

09-15-2011, 11:53

edited, didnt catch beskars post, now I see

TheLastDays

09-15-2011, 12:06

I win! I mean not gameplay mechanic wise but I was right, suckers!

I was right about GE, right about Believer (although we don't know what exactly his goal was yet) and I was definitely right about Ishtar. Serves you cultists well for not listening to reason and john... I'm really disappointed :tongue:

Arjos

09-15-2011, 12:18

TLD, you ridiculously suspicious townie! ^^

TheLastDays

09-15-2011, 12:21

TLD, you ridiculously suspicious townie! ^^

Honestly I was surprised by how many near-lynches I was able to avoid this game. What can I say? I'm just ridiculously suspicious xD

Askthepizzaguy

09-15-2011, 12:52

I played specifically to help Beskar win last man standing even if it meant my loss.

But, I left hints for you to figure it out yourselves. Especially the part about original win conditions.

I wanted to see Beskar kick butt, but I also wanted someone brilliant who was still alive to solve the game. I was rooting for either outcome. But the dead were the ones to solve it correctly, and the living allowed themselves to be eaten.

Renata

09-15-2011, 13:20

Good job, Beskar, even if I still can't believe you got away with it. Yikes.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-15-2011, 13:36

NO, ANOTHER LOSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :LAUGH:

Riedquat

09-15-2011, 14:06

Awesome game! Thanks Khaan for hosting! And thanks johnhughthom for stalking me with invitations! :laugh4:

And obviously a great congratz to Beskar, a wonderful performance!

I needed a plan and a desperate one at that, I just got told I had to kill them all! I spoke to Johnhughthom, he seemed supportive of me, great, but he is most likely the one to turn on me. Riedquat is new, he might be easily impressionable. I decide to use the favoritism card. "Hey Riedquat, I am going to take the risk and trust you, I think it might be John, he has been around the longest and Andres would have known about him." This is all true and valid, but hey, I work with the truth, it is how I roll.

What does Riedquat do to respond? He goes and tells johnhughthom!

:laugh4: Easily impressionable? :laugh4:
Well, the favouritism card wasn't going to work, not after I got john's pm the night you sacrificed Captain B. john made my paranoia go beyond limits, your pm only made it exit the scale... I learned a couple of things, never ever listen to the dead again, no matter what affiliation they had when they were breathing... :stare:

But, I have two questions, how come TLD hadn't a role? That is not possible! :laugh4: And... umm... how to say this... where is my chariot? :laugh4:

Secura

09-15-2011, 14:21

Congratulations Beskie!

The last man standing victory is very impressive, though I stand by what I said regarding the Chaotix lynch... awesome as your arguments were, they did seem less impressive when I was informed that the majority of remaining players were under your thrall. :P

Yuanshi Tianzun- Renata
Nemesis- TheFluffyOne
Hades- Chaotix
Ereshkigal- White eyes

I think there's a certain irony in this post from JHT (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?136981-Netherworld-III-Final-Judgment-Concluded&p=2053357367&viewfull=1#post2053357367) now; I lead the lynches against Renata and White_Eyes:D following active scan results (and some behavioural observations) against them both, and I voted for Fluffy early on after we found him to be active at night... I'd guess that sorta 'accuracy' might be why Hades killed me in the end, since my tracking ability didn't seem like a big threat in a game of power roles (which TLD had lead me to believe based on previous games) or that I might have had access to a TIN (which I didn't, no living player had my information but me IIRC, though I had briefly spoken to Earthling via PM).

I figured just me, traitorix, and Romanic who had the ability and not Secura wasn't enough but we really didn't have much after all.

Both Romanic and myself had the ability to track; on N1, I believed it was a shared ability and didn't send orders under the assumption that Romanic had done so (and he had, having chosen to track classical_hero), only for 'khaan to clarify that both of us could act at night. From there onwards, I submitted orders.

As for TLD, I knew he was innocent all along! :laugh4:

He was paying attention to the game moreso than any other living player, having posted twice as much as the next person (Fluffy :P); this, and his keen analytical mind that I knew would be vital in hunting the scum down, led me to decide to push him forward as lynchbait, therefore giving him more time to nail those last mafia and get the win for the town... or at least, that was the plan until Hades killed him too. xD

Renata

09-15-2011, 14:46

This just all the more goes to show that I cannot play mafia roles around here. I get metagamed to death. I know I was no great shakes in this game performance-wise (missing much of the beginning of a game tends to throw me really really badly when I am mafia), but it doesn't seem to matter much, regardless.

And our best weapon against the town (Fluffy, who could have taken on a roleblock intended for one of us and thus made it seem we couldn't have been doing a particular killing) was the first to die, and early at that. And Believer sabotaged my investigations, and there was a town duplicate of my role anyway.

I'm still really bummed about this game even if the ending was amusing.

classical_hero

09-15-2011, 16:20

Riedquat

09-15-2011, 16:37

One thing I dont understand is the PM I got when I was recruited, since it said I could win with the town and with cult, and since Ishtar was the cult leader, then the PM was wrong and that was from the host, so I would like an explanation, of that PM. I don't have, since I deleted it since I need space for Capo.

Something like this?

Greetings,

Last night, the enchanting Goddess Ishtar offered you her blessing. In a haze, you promised yourself to her cult. You may now claim victory through the cult of Ishtar, as well as through your original victory conditions. It will be up to Ishtar herself if she wishes to reveal her "true identity". You may converse with her here. You do not have any new abilities.

Any questions, feel free to ask.

'Khaan

That was our twisted host giving us the option to vote against Ishtar but not telling us we will be doomed if not. :clown:

TheLastDays

09-15-2011, 17:07

This or you have acually "won" the game through Beskar's victory.

Beskar

09-15-2011, 17:22

This or you have acually "won" the game through Beskar's victory.

They have won the game through my victory, I believe it means. Also the original victory conditions were:

Greetings. This is a mass PM to inform you all that the game shall be starting within the hour. As well, if you have not received a role pm yet, this means you are a regular townsperson in the service of Angra Mainyu. Victory will be had by defeating all hostile forces to Mainyu.

Good luck to you all!

As you can see, I wasn't hostile to Angra Mainyu, I was making babies with him, as I originally said, as his consort and queen. So officially, both the Cult and Town won through me, they are just dead.

So yes, in a way, the town has won and so has the cultists, but I claim the first place prize.

classical_hero

09-15-2011, 17:32

Well since this was a cult, the normal thing is that you win if the leader is still alive, so really that is a deceptive PM and basically is not they way how a cult works in Mafia.

Ironside

09-15-2011, 20:35

Congratulations Beskar. :bow:

Impressive ending.

Chaotix

09-15-2011, 20:42

Hat's off to Beskar.

He caught me completely by surprise for sure, and outmaneuvered me spectacularly. I actually never once believed he was Ishtar, always thinking it was johnhughthom. Lesson learned: when debating whether or not to kill Beskar, kill Beskar. :laugh4:

I totally underestimated the cult in general in this game. And by the time I tried getting the town to lynch them, they were already too numerous

Anyway, here's the mafia quicktopic. After all of my teammates died, it pretty much turned into a repository of my thoughts- I thought it might be interesting to read into what I was thinking as I made my actions after the game was over. Basically similar to what Beskar has in the thread.

Joint Mafia Quicktopic (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/VXZNt2mKsmN)
Netherworld Mafia Quicktopic [quickly abandoned] (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/NiLcfEZvMiyJV)

I'm not sure if Renata and Fluffy ever made their own private QT. Basically the dynamic of our roles was that we knew each other, could work together, but were allowed to betray each other in the end for total victory as well. So had I made it to the end, the victory would have been only mine and white_eyes, not for them. Even though the three of them got lynched early on, before that time we had luckily figured out there was plenty of reason to stick together for the majority of the game.

Chaotix

09-15-2011, 20:44

They have won the game through my victory, I believe it means. Also the original victory conditions were:

As you can see, I wasn't hostile to Angra Mainyu, I was making babies with him, as I originally said, as his consort and queen. So officially, both the Cult and Town won through me, they are just dead.

So yes, in a way, the town has won and so has the cultists, but I claim the first place prize.

Nah. I got that role PM too. Don't think the town would have won if I killed them all.

You a serial killah, brah. Embrace it.

White_eyes:D

09-15-2011, 21:10

Chaotix I was paranoid and wrong some the time but I just had to laugh when I saw this...
I think all of you are being far too paranoid. If Romanic or yaropolk or diamondeye or anyone had really scanned us within the first two nights, they would have had someone claim and get us lynched.:laugh4:

Andres

09-15-2011, 21:21

Congratulations, Beskar :bow:

And thanks for hosting, 'khaan :2thumbsup:

Renata

09-15-2011, 22:23

Chaotix I was paranoid and wrong some the time but I just had to laugh when I saw this...:laugh4:

And I was right that Romanic was far too smug, he only gets that way when he has something good up his sleeve.

Zack

09-15-2011, 22:29

I told you I was townie! *smug*

TheLastDays

09-15-2011, 22:36

I told them too! ^^

Choxorn

09-16-2011, 03:12

Night Five - johnhughthom - Recruitment Success

Wait... john did the vote switch that ultimately killed ATPG while he was still a basic townie?

:stare:

White_eyes:D

09-16-2011, 03:23

Wait... john did the vote switch that ultimately killed ATPG while he was still a basic townie?:stare:If it's any consolation, john just killed himself and helped achieve one of the biggest townie losses since "The Prometheus" with Reenk, ATPG and Khaan as mafia.:bounce:

Edit: I mean town had it in the bag, up until Chaotix wiped out the Pro-towns....then you guys just kept killing yourself's Parasite style.:no:

Romanic

09-16-2011, 04:51

Congrats Beskar! :2thumbsup:

Missed most of the game after I was killed, but when I left, I thought we were doing good with Fluffy, WE and Renata being suspected or already lynched. I should have stick to help. Town has been losing too many recently.

Roles:

Town:

Aesma Daeva- Romanic (Watcher Mason with Asto Vidatu)
Asto Vidatu- Secura
Kanaloa- SoulBlade (Role Blocker)
Athena- Earthling (Protector)
Murugan- Tratorix (Vigilante)
Hekate- Classical Hero

Mafia:

Yuanshi Tianzun- Renata
Nemesis- TheFluffyOne
Hades- Chaotix
Ereshkigal- White eyes

Neutral:

Gilgamesh- GeneralHankerchief (Teamed serial killer with Enkidu)
Enkidu- Andres

Ishtar- Beskar

Eris- Believer

More details to come, but I am sleepy.

@khaan : Following the above post, can I assume that all unlisted players were Town?

Also, is a converted cultist still considered Town?

seireikhaan

09-16-2011, 05:34

Congrats Beskar! :2thumbsup:

Missed most of the game after I was killed, but when I left, I thought we were doing good with Fluffy, WE and Renata being suspected or already lynched. I should have stick to help. Town has been losing too many recently.
Yes, all unlisted were town.

@khaan : Following the above post, can I assume that all unlisted players were Town?

Also, is a converted cultist still considered Town?
Yes, non-listed players are normal townspersons. Cultists were both town and cultist. Being cultist essentially was a "tag" that meant that Ishtar could use them as sacrifice. I'll get more details up tomorrow after I get some sleep.

Earthling

09-16-2011, 08:19

Mafia QT was definitely fun by the way. At no time during the game would I have realized the connections with some of the gods' sisters/lovers etc... I bet GH and Andres knew more about Ishtar in their roles though.

Renata, your post #152 really brightened things up for me there, just struck me as so fitting. Especially after earlier in that quicktopic where you basically declared "dang, I wander if the protector (Earthling) protected Yaro for the exact same reason he was attacked" which was, of course, exactly true.

Really fun fact: You know I protected you as a blind guess N1 Renata, to prevent you from being metagame killed. :clown: