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Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 01:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YUiBBltOg4
If I die at the hands of Zackbeard and his men tonight, I want this song played as I am being tossed overboard.
Grant this thief one last request.
Heh. I know, that why 'typical' response. You call people you dont think are scum 'scum' all the time
- - -
Wasn't it DCmort that killed?
Speaking of which DC, still waiting on the answer to my question.
dcmort killed gaius
bsmith also killed gaius (wish you would've told me about that so we could've killed Ishmael instead)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YUiBBltOg4
If I die at the hands of Zackbeard and his men tonight, I want this song played as I am being tossed overboard.
Grant this thief one last request.
but you're a thief
why would we grant you a request
I';ve explained about fifty times this game why he is town.
he vigged last night
missed orders night before
i cannot recall off the top of my head what he did the nights before that
i'm sure that will make you all think he is scum
This doesn't give me the "Dear Squawky Jim, don't you worry your sweet head, the French ain't going cut your stomach open and steal your gold in the middle of the night" feeling I am looking for.
This doesn't give me the "Dear Squawky Jim, don't you worry your sweet head, the French ain't going cut your stomach open and steal your gold in the middle of the night" feeling I am looking for.
French haven't killed anyone so far, so you should already have that feeling.
dcmort killed gaius
bsmith also killed gaius (wish you would've told me about that so we could've killed Ishmael instead)
OR me, I could have included me in the Ishmael attack and it would have succeeded.
dcmort93
10-14-2015, 01:37
Heh. I know, that why 'typical' response. You call people you dont think are scum 'scum' all the time
- - -
Wasn't it DCmort that killed?
Speaking of which DC, still waiting on the answer to my question.
Yes I killed Gaius.
And to answer your question, if they're susceptible imo it means that they're either scum that got recruited, or townies that can be recruited. Now I can scan them again to prove what's what, but if they're susceptible then they're a target for someone. Either we can start by getting rid of potential french or we do nothing and let them be converted.
Third parties aren't susceptible afaik so as long as they're willing to work with us I'll work with them.
Converts aren't a threat, though. It's the starting three that need to die, recruits are just distractions.
dcmort93
10-14-2015, 01:44
Now I've seen in the PM's posted by Zack that the reigning theory is that all the leadership have to be scum if we're infiltrated.
I know I'm not scum, and my willingness to cooperate combined with Jim's same willingness should have most of you in agreement with me on that.
I don't think Visor's scum, but who knows. I'll admit he's been rather all over the place, but that could just be Visor since he's not just like that here.
Double A is the only one I'm not sure on.
So if mutiny is truly the way you want to go, I probably can't stop you.
I doubt that we are all French though, and I sincerely doubt any of us are.
dcmort93
10-14-2015, 01:45
Converts aren't a threat, though. It's the starting three that need to die, recruits are just distractions.
Really? Doesn't the game continue if there are still French left, original or not?
El Barto
10-14-2015, 01:48
Converts aren't a threat, though. It's the starting three that need to die, recruits are just distractions.
How tell we one type fram t' other?
Now I've seen in the PM's posted by Zack that the reigning theory is that all the leadership have to be scum if we're infiltrated.
I know I'm not scum, and my willingness to cooperate combined with Jim's same willingness should have most of you in agreement with me on that.
I don't think Visor's scum, but who knows. I'll admit he's been rather all over the place, but that could just be Visor since he's not just like that here.
Double A is the only one I'm not sure on.
So if mutiny is truly the way you want to go, I probably can't stop you.
I doubt that we are all French though, and I sincerely doubt any of us are.
Then wha be Frenchies?
Really? Doesn't the game continue if there are still French left, original or not?
If me recollections be correct, only the Frenchamn an' his twa assistants, one o' wham be already deaded, be able ta convert.
Really? Doesn't the game continue if there are still French left, original or not?
The last game ended when the original Spanish died, even when there were converts still alive.
If it was the case that converts also needed to be eliminated, that would be an incredibly overpowered cult, considering as far as I can tell from the rules every mafioso is capable of recruitment (or at the very least finding recruitable sailors). The French would have no reason to infiltrate vig groups, if they get the ball rolling on conversion it's game over. Considering last night was the first recruit, if all converts do have to be killed then the French have seriously misplayed.
Golden1Knight
10-14-2015, 02:07
Someone asked what I did night 1: the captain told me to steal from TFT, and thats what I did (he was going to die anyway).
Also, that night someone stole the fancy cutlass from me. I started with it, but hadn't any idea about how to use it.
Now I've seen in the PM's posted by Zack that the reigning theory is that all the leadership have to be scum if we're infiltrated.
I know I'm not scum, and my willingness to cooperate combined with Jim's same willingness should have most of you in agreement with me on that.
I don't think Visor's scum, but who knows. I'll admit he's been rather all over the place, but that could just be Visor since he's not just like that here.
Double A is the only one I'm not sure on.
So if mutiny is truly the way you want to go, I probably can't stop you.
I doubt that we are all French though, and I sincerely doubt any of us are.
This isn't true imho. It's possible for there to be only one/two positions compromised.
Someone asked what I did night 1: the captain told me to steal from TFT, and thats what I did (he was going to die anyway).
Also, that night someone stole the fancy cutlass from me. I started with it, but hadn't any idea about how to use it.
:wall:
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 02:20
Really? Doesn't the game continue if there are still French left, original or not?
I sincerely hope not. What a slog that will be. At this juncture there's little way of telling which of us got converted.
We can reasonably hunt down the starting mafia, but late game converts have a townie record and could have an alibi every night, including every night from here onward. All they have to do is agree to vig and we'll kill off ourselves until they convert one last person and tip the scales later.
dcmort93
10-14-2015, 02:58
The last game ended when the original Spanish died, even when there were converts still alive.
If it was the case that converts also needed to be eliminated, that would be an incredibly overpowered cult, considering as far as I can tell from the rules every mafioso is capable of recruitment (or at the very least finding recruitable sailors). The French would have no reason to infiltrate vig groups, if they get the ball rolling on conversion it's game over. Considering last night was the first recruit, if all converts do have to be killed then the French have seriously misplayed.
Ahh I wan't around for that one so I was unaware.
This isn't true imho. It's possible for there to be only one/two positions compromised.
Then if that's the case then either Visor, AA, or myself must have been starting French. Officer's can't be converted while in office and there were no recruitments until last night.
This mutiny is a bad idea. I can finish the scan on Visor and confirm him and start the scan on AA to clear him the next night. Then switch me out if we haven't won for all I care. but mutiny on someone who is 95% percent town is a bad idea imo
El Barto
10-14-2015, 03:02
Also, that night someone stole the fancy cutlass from me. I started with it, but hadn't any idea about how to use it.
Explain as much as ye ken, or I be joinin' any group willin' ta kill ye, free o' charge.
Then if that's the case then either Visor, AA, or myself must have been starting French. Officer's can't be converted while in office and there were no recruitments until last night.
This mutiny is a bad idea. I can finish the scan on Visor and confirm him and start the scan on AA to clear him the next night. Then switch me out if we haven't won for all I care. but mutiny on someone who is 95% percent town is a bad idea imo
I agree. Yarrr.
Why do you need to finish the scan on me, when I had spaceman vigged night 1.
Utter waste.
Why do you need to finish the scan on me, when I had spaceman vigged night 1.
Utter waste.
Because the kill failed due to someone on it being blocked? It's not clearing.
inb4 "that makes no sense for me to do as french u r scum zack"
dcmort93
10-14-2015, 03:13
Why do you need to finish the scan on me, when I had spaceman vigged night 1.
Utter waste.
Because every day since I took over for Jim, numerous people have been asking for the leadership to be scanned and I don't think it's too unreasonable of a request.
Why do you need to finish the scan on me, when I had spaceman vigged night 1.
Utter waste.
That doesn't clear you, considering he survived.
Also someone should go back and look at all of spaceman's posts and actions
Then if that's the case then either Visor, AA, or myself must have been starting French. Officer's can't be converted while in office and there were no recruitments until last night.
This mutiny is a bad idea. I can finish the scan on Visor and confirm him and start the scan on AA to clear him the next night. Then switch me out if we haven't won for all I care. but mutiny on someone who is 95% percent town is a bad idea imo
Yeah that's what I'm saying.
El Barto
10-14-2015, 03:19
Why do you need to finish the scan on me, when I had spaceman vigged night 1.
Utter waste.
That doesn't clear you, considering he survived.
I be in agreement.
Also someone should go back and look at all of spaceman's posts and actions
I nominates Zack as volunteer.
Ffs
I chose the targets
Why choose French n1
Dumb
Double A
10-14-2015, 04:38
If Visor's French, he's actively playing against his team.
If Ishmael isn't French, I will eat my own hat.
If Ishmael isn't French, I will eat my own hat.
I will be utterly surprised as well. When you look at the 12 people who knew the hit was on, Ishmael stands out like a sore thumb.
(You know saying that, 12 people!!! lol)
Ffs
I chose the targets
Why choose French n1
Dumb
but it does not CLEAR you even though you like to speak in absolutes and certainties
also (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?150856-Pirate-Ship-Mafia-III&p=2053663741&viewfull=1#post2053663741)
also convenient how you mention it clears you but not the people who actually attacked him
and ffs people saying you're not 100% lock town does not mean they're insinuating that you're French
also convenient how you mention it clears you but not the people who actually attacked him
Well - its a point in their favour but not claring because the kill was stopped and they could easily still submit orders. We DO know that the roleblock could NOT have come from those players though - probably just spaceman.
and ffs people saying you're not 100% lock town does not mean they're insinuating that you're French
no ur frenh
Montmorency
10-14-2015, 05:15
OMGUS the mutineers.
Zack, will you cooperate with groups if Pizza abandons ship tonight?
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 05:24
I'm not abandoning ship. Zack doesn't command my destiny.
I'll be here to taunt him some more on the morrow.
You did mention to me numerous times that you would leave if either myself or AA asked you.
OMGUS the mutineers.
Zack, will you cooperate with groups if Pizza abandons ship tonight?
Were you converted last night?
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 05:32
You did mention to me numerous times that you would leave if either myself or AA asked you.
Hasn't happened yet.
Montmorency
10-14-2015, 05:33
I'm not abandoning ship. Zack doesn't command my destiny.
I'll be here to taunt him some more on the morrow.
I told Monty, Visor, and Double A that I can be ordered off the ship at this point if that's not good enough. You have to remove me as a suspect. Either accept my word, brig me scan me, or order me gone. Simple as that.
Yes, Zack, I have been. Visorslash now has my unwavering loyalty and support.
If it comes to it, I would see every other sailor dead, including myself, leaving only the top brass alive to enjoy the victory.
I'm sorry I took your pretend gold in a game of make believe, where stealing gold is literally part of the game and encouraged by the game host, and the entire theme is piracy.
Your RAEG is ridiculous.
This coming from the guy who put a bounty on visor in a fit of white hot rage. At least you did something to me.
And I'm sorry pirates get mad when their gold is stolen. You chose to get revenge by doing what you do best, stealing it back. I choose to do what I do best.
Yes, Zack, I have been. Visorslash now has my unwavering loyalty and support.
If it comes to it, I would see every other sailor dead, including myself, leaving only the top brass alive to enjoy the victory.
Do they at least give you treats for being a good boy?
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 05:38
Then I shall taunt you with my sword instead of my tongue. En garde, Zackbeard.
Zackbeard was the captain in pirate ship 2. I am just Zack.
Montmorency
10-14-2015, 05:42
Duty is its own reward?
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 05:43
Duty is its own reward?
Hah! You said "duty".
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 05:47
I warn you Zack, you've made one of the classic blunders. The first is never fight a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: Never go against the man who killed Squawky Jim with his bare feet!
Killed you last game, why not this one? :bounce:
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 05:49
Killed you last game, why not this one? :bounce:
That's for me to know and for you to be utterly disappointed by!
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 05:51
*takes off a shoe, and hops toward Zack*
HAVE AT YOU!!! I warn you, once these babies got a taste of killin', they can't stop themselves!
Montmorency
10-14-2015, 06:01
Killed you last game, why not this one? :bounce:
No, that was Zackbeard.
You ain't even Zack cleared. :smoking:
Ishmael stole from Gaius or at least claimed to.
Funny how you should mention that with no context. Here's the relevant PM conversation:
Just a heads up, if GSC doesn't send in orders in the next fifteen minutes or so, I figure it's safe to assume the Andres vig won't have sufficient numbers and will therefore be changing my orders to stealing tonight.
A question on that note: is there a vig group targeting GSC tonight? I wouldn't mind stealing from him in part to test any claim he might make that he was guarding his gold tonight, but I also want my action tonight to be falsifiable, which it won't be if he's dead and can't confirm he was stolen from.
I'd prefer you to still be in the writeup to be honest
That feels like a bit of a waste. I gather you will have noticed the other night that I'm a little light on gold over here, and stealing from GSC gives me the opportunity to both have some reward from tonight as well as removing a potential excuse he could use for not showing up.
UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH ok
Note: In his final response it looks like Visorslash messed up the quote tags and my previous PM got cut. I've included it for the sake of clarity
TL;DR: I specifically contacted Visorslash to ask whether GSC was being targeted last night, as I didn't want to steal from somebody who couldn't confirm that action. Despite the fact that he obviously knew he was being vigged and hit by the First Mate, Visor still gave me the go-ahead, and then has the gall to imply that my stealing from GSC is an indication of guilt. I'm not sure if that's a scum move or just a highly misguided townie who has to manipulate the facts to pursue his pet lynch, but either way I'm happy to see him die.
vote: Visorslash
vote: Mutiny
Montmorency
10-14-2015, 06:05
Permission to gut this one myself, sir?
Permission to gut this one myself, sir?
"Oui!"
Montmorency
10-14-2015, 06:08
Good to see you cooperating again.
Good to see you cooperating again.
You were asking your Frenchman boss, right?
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 06:10
Why not simply steal from someone who wasn't a known vig target?
Seems like Visor said rather explicitly that he didn't want you changing from a visible action to one that relies on verbal confirmation from a suspect.
Instead you insisted.
Montmorency
10-14-2015, 06:10
Why would I ask my boss if he is cooperating again? That kind of insubordination is punishable by death. :stare:
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 06:13
Montmorency? French? Impossible! :smug:
Why not simply steal from someone who wasn't a known vig target?
Seems like Visor said rather explicitly that he didn't want you changing from a visible action to one that relies on verbal confirmation from a suspect.
Instead you insisted.
Well, clearly I didn't know he was a vig target. I knew there was a possibility he might be, which is why I contacted Visor about it. As for 'why GSC?', as stated I wanted to make sure he couldn't claim to be guarding his gold as a false alibi. Plus, I figured I might have a shot at that cutlass he'd been talking about if I stole from him.
you're happy to see me die
who tried to have spaceman killed n1
ok
It's possible to be actively harmful to the town without being scum.
Montmorency
10-14-2015, 06:16
Montmorency? French? Impossible! :smug:
We've already heard that one like 5 times in the game so far.
It's possible to be actively harmful to the town without being scum.
But I outted the only known frenchman.
I'm batting better than everyone in the game results wise, even its still terrible.
Shut up about the spaceman thing Jesus
Montmorency
10-14-2015, 06:17
It's possible to be actively harmful to the town without being scum.
It's possible to be scum without being actively harmful to the town.
Shut up about the spaceman thing Jesus
i'll send you into space, man
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 06:18
Well, clearly I didn't know he was a vig target. I knew there was a possibility he might be, which is why I contacted Visor about it. As for 'why GSC?', as stated I wanted to make sure he couldn't claim to be guarding his gold as a false alibi. Plus, I figured I might have a shot at that cutlass he'd been talking about if I stole from him.
Eh?
Why is this a thing? If you're stealing from him, you'll know if he's guarding his gold when you steal from him. Or at least that someone was.
Why would you ask before the fact?
It's possible to be scum without being actively harmful to the town.
Said the french recruit, glumly resigned to his lot in life.
i'll send you into space, man
You didn't even respond to what he wrote, just played the same broken record that was barely relevant.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 06:21
Shut up about the spaceman thing Jesus
Stop (https://youtu.be/djeKjBmi7w0?t=10) with this spaceman thing! It's getting on my nerves!
Montmorency
10-14-2015, 06:24
You didn't even respond to what he wrote, just played the same broken record that was barely relevant.
Feed him to the space whale. :shrug:
Eh?
Why is this a thing? If you're stealing from him, you'll know if he's guarding his gold when you steal from him. Or at least that someone was.
Why would you ask before the fact?
Perhaps I didn't explain it well - the idea is that given GSC looked almost certain to not show up for the vig on Andres, if I stole from him and he wasn't guarding it then he couldn't retroactively claim that he was guarding gold as his alibi were he French and doing other stuff. That would leave as alibis either completely making up a night action or claiming 'I forgot to send in orders,' the former of which is risky and the latter of which tends to be poorly received by the town.
I will admit, I did play up that benefit of stealing from GSC for Visorslash's sake. My primary motivation was to get gold and see if his cutlass could be stolen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoB_MDSkHms
Ishmael - fact is you stole from a dead man - and I can't name anyone else off the top of my head who was absent from claimable actions last night.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 06:28
1823
It got uh.... kind of creepy at the end there.
Montmorency
10-14-2015, 06:41
Ishmael - fact is you stole from a dead man - and I can't name anyone else off the top of my head who was absent from claimable actions last night.
Probs Sprig
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 06:52
Probs Sprig
It's iffy. If Bsmith has the cutlass, and the first mate has the harpoon, then the third man might be the artist formerly known as Squawky Jim's poopin' pedestal.
It might not be. In which case, he's not just covered in white poop, he's also French. I'm not sure which is worse, tbh.
Kagemusha
10-14-2015, 06:53
But I outted the only known frenchman.
I'm batting better than everyone in the game results wise, even its still terrible.
Actually i am the only one who claimed Spaceman as scum, while claiming the vig attempt as fake against him. I was wrong about Ice though. Lets see how Monty will turn out.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 06:57
Gah! I just felt the icy cool breath of a sexy ghost on my neck!
It's making the little hairs on the back of my neck stand up. From pure arousal.
Ituralde
10-14-2015, 09:32
What a lot of talk it has been last night. A lot of useless banter too.
I think it be a bit late to change the leadership. But it's also disturbing that it took until Day 7 to find out that there are three levels to the scan. This should have been known a lot sooner, there could have been 12 scans performed in total. Meaning four people could potentially have been fully scanned. What do we have instead?
BSmith is supposedly scanned to level 3, although I only counted two levels. Do you have the third level on him, dcmort93?
Visorslash is scanned to level 2.
Then there were a couple of level 1 scans.
That's not really a lot to be honest.
There's 15 people left, of which three have been the most active: Visorslash, Montmorency and Zack.
dcmort93 and Double A are part of the leadership and if there be a deep infiltration by the French we're too late anyways.
Askthepizzaguy has been inactive at first, but has become more and more active. I don't know what to make of it. I believe he stole and I know he guarded on N2, but he could have also done some recruiting on the side. ATPG is crafty and knows his stuff, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was French and played it that way.
Andres has been really inactive and the only reason he is still alive seems to be the support of askthepizzaguy.
BSmith has been cleared, if he is down to level 3, then all should be well. I he isn't, I have been suspicious of him before and a Frenchman would probably show up as being non conversionable.
autolycus, Csargo, El Barto, Golden1Knight and Sprig fall in the middle category of being active, but not too active. They're in on the vig groups but I don't know their exact whereabouts. These are the five people I don't really have a read on.
Ishmael is dead at the end of the day, so I not be worryin about him.
Then there's me. I'm an Able Seaman and have not been recruited by the French.
I made the mistake of goin out stealin, after the Guarding fiasco that happened on Night 1 with Andres, Csargo and Ironside. Guarding was very unreliable in terms of accountability when your target was not attacked at night, so I though stealing would show where I was at night. Of course I could have coordinated my steals with the reveals of Askthepizzaguy and Lissa, but at least one of them has been shown to be a townie.
After that I have been part of a vig group and the only reason I missed last night, was that the orders came in too late for me to see them. If too many people or the leadership are unconvinced of my alignment, I have no problem with leaving ship tonight. It's been a good rise and I'd hate to die or be recruited by the French!
My suspects right now are:Medium Low
Andres; Askthepizzaguy
autolycus, Csargo, El Barto, Golden1Knight and Sprig
BSmith depending on the level 3 scan.
dcmort93
10-14-2015, 10:07
What a lot of talk it has been last night. A lot of useless banter too.
I think it be a bit late to change the leadership. But it's also disturbing that it took until Day 7 to find out that there are three levels to the scan. This should have been known a lot sooner, there could have been 12 scans performed in total. Meaning four people could potentially have been fully scanned. What do we have instead?
BSmith is supposedly scanned to level 3, although I only counted two levels. Do you have the third level on him, dcmort93?
Visorslash is scanned to level 2.
Then there were a couple of level 1 scans.
That's not really a lot to be honest.
There's 15 people left, of which three have been the most active: Visorslash, Montmorency and Zack.
dcmort93 and Double A are part of the leadership and if there be a deep infiltration by the French we're too late anyways.
Askthepizzaguy has been inactive at first, but has become more and more active. I don't know what to make of it. I believe he stole and I know he guarded on N2, but he could have also done some recruiting on the side. ATPG is crafty and knows his stuff, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was French and played it that way.
Andres has been really inactive and the only reason he is still alive seems to be the support of askthepizzaguy.
BSmith has been cleared, if he is down to level 3, then all should be well. I he isn't, I have been suspicious of him before and a Frenchman would probably show up as being non conversionable.
autolycus, Csargo, El Barto, Golden1Knight and Sprig fall in the middle category of being active, but not too active. They're in on the vig groups but I don't know their exact whereabouts. These are the five people I don't really have a read on.
Ishmael is dead at the end of the day, so I not be worryin about him.
Then there's me. I'm an Able Seaman and have not been recruited by the French.
I made the mistake of goin out stealin, after the Guarding fiasco that happened on Night 1 with Andres, Csargo and Ironside. Guarding was very unreliable in terms of accountability when your target was not attacked at night, so I though stealing would show where I was at night. Of course I could have coordinated my steals with the reveals of Askthepizzaguy and Lissa, but at least one of them has been shown to be a townie.
After that I have been part of a vig group and the only reason I missed last night, was that the orders came in too late for me to see them. If too many people or the leadership are unconvinced of my alignment, I have no problem with leaving ship tonight. It's been a good rise and I'd hate to die or be recruited by the French!
My suspects right now are:Medium Low
Andres; Askthepizzaguy
autolycus, Csargo, El Barto, Golden1Knight and Sprig
BSmith depending on the level 3 scan.
I can skip a tier by scanning only one person. A 2 for 1 if you will
Ituralde
10-14-2015, 10:09
I can skip a tier by scanning only one person. A 2 for 1 if you will
I know that already. The writeup from NotJimRV wasn't clear though on whether he went L1, L2 on Bsmith or L2, L3 with the level one being in place from before.
I be hopin you could clear that up. Show the scan results for BSmith.
Right Squawky Jim has left already and it is time for me Paranoid Pete to set sail as well.
I don't know if another personality will appear (replacement) but it maybe possible. If not, then I am physically setting sail. So that would actually make me pretty pro french right now if i understand the rules?
This is what i got so far for actions. Some blanks have been claimed but usually useless not verifiable actions. And I been lazy with this day.
16708
So top suspects base on opportunity. Ituralde & Golden.
(ignoring Ishmael and Andres which should go without saying.)
ATPG is marked so, simply because he is doing what I would do if French and is a liability imo.
- - -
If you don't want me to set sail tonight and to perform an action instead, pm me and I'll get in early orders, Provided GH allows it.. I'll do any orders but you know, might actually make sense to use my ability if anyone can get their team organised in the 8 hours when i check this thread for the final time.
Been fun, thanks all. :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 10:55
Just noting for the record that-
If there has been one French recruit so far (Fact)
And Spaceman was starting French, a craven maven Fr-henchman if you will, (Fact)
And Gaius was French / Ishmael is definitely French, even just one of those, (Nigh impossible for this to not be true)
That means in order for me to be French, I would have had to also be French with Zack, because he admitted he was stolen from in the amount I claimed.
And I've been promising for several rounds now that I'll leave the ship if even one of the officers or the captain says so
And saying in advance who I'll be stealing from
And asking them to scan me
And said they should scan me tonight
And also told them what I'll be doing tonight
And said I could be put in the brig
______________________________________________
Sum total of the above= You're daffier than I am if you think I am French, or that any of what I've done all game makes any kind of sense from a Frenchman. Yeah, piss off the crew one guy at a time via stealing and rub it in their faces. Smart cookie I am,
Woo hoo woo hoo woo hoo woo hoo.
And more than that, you're despicable, really, totally despicable, how someone could get so despicable, in one lifetime, it's beyond me.
And it isn't as though I
Haven't met a lot of people
Goodness knows it isn't that
Despicable.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 11:07
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/daffy_duck_14_zpsciwxacj7.jpg
I could be a French recruit. Well, then why on earth would I insist upon being the scan? I'll show up as recruitable tonight, period.
Dead by tomorrow AM.
Or I could be the Frenchman himself, French Bread Pizza, Oui Oui ho ho *pop*. Sacre Bleu! Pepe le Pew!
While claiming to have stolen exactly the amount Zack lost last night, while saying I'd be stealing from Zack in advance.
This is during the night where I'd have to have recruited someone.
Ingenious plan, I must admit.
How, exactly, am I to make good on a promise I made to leave upon orders if I'm the big block of cheese and a crate of wine known as the Frenchman?
In what universe do you actually believe I'm the romantic skunk here?
I'm totally greedy Daffy and you know it.
But sure, no-think solve and then skip ship. Leave you mangy mongrel. I killed your bird and I'm glad I did it, too!
That parrot never knew when to shut up. Reminds me of me. But you know what? I'm alive and he's dead. And I've got quite a lot of crackers.
Askthepizzaguy
10-14-2015, 11:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chP5al_rTrI
Spriggy n'est pas!
https://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo246/charleysuniform/0090.gif
GeneralHankerchief
10-14-2015, 16:36
A heads-up, I've got a few RL administrative issues to take care of. I'll still be on my computer, but there might be a delay with the execution scene.
GeneralHankerchief
10-14-2015, 17:00
Voting closed.
GeneralHankerchief
10-14-2015, 17:33
Day 7
It had been a week since the retreat from New Tortuga, and order aboard the Presence was dangerously close to breaking down. Trust in the administration was breaking down and a minor attempt at mutiny was formed, despite the Quartermaster's insistence that he had led the charge on spaceman98, a revealed Maven crewman. People were flinging accusations at each other back and forth, openly calling for each other's death, and reveling in the fact that they had managed to steal so much treasure from others aboard. Not necessarily in that order. Further compounding matters was the fact that Captain Double A once again spent the entire day shut up in his quarters.
However, there was one outstanding issue that brought most of the crewmen together: The fact that Ishmael needed to die, immediately. He had somehow survived two previous votes by the skin of his teeth, not to mention determined attacks on him the previous two nights. The common joke was that everyone had agreed he had been in the pay of the Frenchman - or perhaps the Frenchman himself - for a while, but everybody had always just assumed that he'd be taken care of so they moved onto other issues.
Not today. Not anymore. Today, the crewmen were out for blood. And thus, not even bothering to take a formal vote, not even bothering to wait for Double A to emerge to add some formality to the proceedings, a full two thirds of the living crew of the Presence drew their cutlasses and advanced as one towards their target. If carefully refined democracy governed by rules wasn't enough to get him off the ship, if daggers in the night weren't enough to get him off, then they would revert to that most primal of instincts: bloodlust.
Ishmael drew his own cutlass to defend himself, but it was of no use. He was barely able to defend himself against four people trying to kill him; trying to do the same against ten would be impossible. The first hit was scored against his free arm - annoying, but not too bad. The next nicked his left leg. A third cut his cheek, the fourth was a major hit that slashed his chest. And so on. As the injuries began to accumulate, Ishmael was less able to fight back effectively.
It was probably for the best that he finally fell off the ship, bleeding from several wounds, seconds before somebody had wheeled a cannon up and blasted it directly at where he used to be, instead sending a good chunk of wood into the Atlantic after him. For better or for worse, Ishmael was now off the Presence.
Day 7 tally:
Ishmael: 10 (Visorslash, Ituralde, dcmort93, Sprig, Montmorency, BSmith, Askthepizzaguy, Golden1Knight, El Barto, Andres) :skull:
BSmith: 1 (Csargo)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Zack)
Visorslash: 1 (Ishmael)
Mutiny: 4 (Sprig, Zack, Csargo, Ishmael)
Didn't vote: 2 (Double A, autolycus)
OOC:
Myrddraal is in the process of replacing Sprig. I'm bringing Myrddraal up to speed, but for now if you have plans to contact Sprig, please loop Myrddraal in as well. I hope to make this transition final by the end of the night phase.
It is now Night 7. Please send in your orders. Night 7 will conclude on Thursday, October 15th, at 18:00 US Eastern Time.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n3), Csargo (n2), Andres (n3, n6), johnhughthom (n5), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n5, n6), autolycus (n5), Ishmael (n5, n6)
Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2), Ice (n3), landlubber (n4), Lissa (n4), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n6)
Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)
Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2), Choxorn (n6)
Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3), spaceman98 (d4), TheFlax (d5), johnhughthom (d6), Ishmael (d7)
Souls aboard: (14)
Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
dcmort93
Double A
El Barto
Golden1Knight
Ituralde
Montmorency
Sprig
Visorslash
Zack
El Barto
10-15-2015, 00:17
I be unable to understand why ye claims I be low-level suspicious, Ituralde.
I'm not abandoning ship. Zack doesn't command my destiny.
I'll be here to taunt him some more on the morrow.
Interestin'.
GeneralHankerchief
10-15-2015, 00:26
Announcement: For all intents and purposes, Myrddraal has now replaced Sprig.
dcmort93
10-15-2015, 02:27
Alright my scans, which can be confirmed by the leadership I believe, are as follows.
N2: BSmith (killing) and seireikhaan (stealing)
N3: BSmith for the full T3. He is Anne the Tavern wench, not susceptible and aligned with the crew of the Presence.
N4: Sprig (Killing) and Choxorn (Killing)
N5: Visor for T2 scan. Threw someone in the Brig and is not susceptible.
Montmorency
10-15-2015, 02:30
Tavern wenches, French nobility, cosmonauts, giant ducks, giant parrots - they'll let anyone be a pirate these days...
Okay,
Announcement:
I am going to be sending you all night orders shortly. These are non-negotiable. You need to do these actions to help us work out who is french.
The first mate will be tracking two people at random from all the groups - so we have the chance to catch those who think they can shirk their duty.
Call it tyrannical, call it whatever. All this is trying to do is force as many people as possible in the writeup so they cannot possibly be doing french things.
Your orders will be sent in about an hour or so.
seireikhaan
10-15-2015, 02:59
N3: BSmith for the full T3. He is Anne the Tavern wench, not susceptible and aligned with the crew of the Presence.
U wot mate?
I've sent you all night orders. Any questions feel free to ask but I want you to follow these orders because it helps greatly in stopping french from converting.
DC will be scanning two random crewmembers anyway just in case some one tries something.
El Barto
10-15-2015, 03:32
No, ye ain't sent all night orders. Wham be ye tryin' ta frame, ye weirdo?
Sent yours EB, dunno how I missed yours.
Anne the Tavern Wench sounds like the Woman from the first game. Who ended up allying with the frenchman.
Your role is:
The Woman
Had you only fought like a Man, you need not have been hang’d like a Dog.
~ Anne Bonny, her final words to “Calico Jack” Rackham
Yup, that’s right. You’re a female in disguise aboard the Presence, tired of being endlessly hit on in taverns and looking for a little bit more adventure in life. However, now you’re starting to see why all the men aboard believe the tradition that having a woman on a ship is bad luck. You quickly realize that you’ve stepped into something rather large and now you just want to get out alive.
Your goal: To survive. The “Abandon ship” option is not available to you because, frankly, you don’t have the necessary skills to make it out there on your own. Therefore, you’re in this for the long haul. However, there is no reason why you can’t profit from this mess. You want to accumulate as much treasure as possible, preferably the most out of the entire crew so you can buy yourself a nice nest egg once this is all over. Maybe even a tavern!
Powers: Every night, you may seduce and “occupy” one person for the night, which also serves as making them unable to perform any action that night as well. While they’re not looking, you will steal some of their treasure, which will be a random number anywhere from 5-20. In addition, you will also see how much treasure they have left.
You are apparently susceptible to both Letters of Marque and offers to join the Maven and will join if asked, but your conversion is not permanent and you do not count as a member of either crew for their purposes.
Finally, because you are weaker than the rest of the sea dogs who have spent half their lives sailing the blue, you do not count as a part of successful group efforts (example: if there’s a protection group that has the minimum of three participants including you, and your target is attacked, the protection will fail). However, should the group you’re in have an extra member and succeed, you will still be awarded the appropriate amount of treasure. Good luck!
This role was present from my earliest drafts of the game, back in May 2008. It was your standard roleblocker, but had the potential to annoy the living snot out of the rest of the crew by taking their gold as well. The main wrinkle to this role for the longest time was giving her the ability to freely choose her affiliation. She was marked down as susceptible to both Letters of Marque and treasure, but in reality could side with whoever gave her the best shot of staying alive. Again, thanks to TinCow and the Four Horsemen, this side was established to be the town early on, providing another blow to the mafia’s hopes.
Once the Frenchman was created, I decided to give Split’s role the potential to expand a bit. Basically, if the two of them encountered each other at night (whether it be by blocking, killing, investigating, or being in the same group), the two of them would fall in love and ally with each other, with Split now sharing TinCow’s goals. Because this happened on the very last night, TinCow in essence dragged Split down to his level of defeat, despite the fact that she survived. That’s men for ya.
What are you doing tonight visor
What are you doing tonight visor
your mum
Montmorency
10-15-2015, 03:48
You are apparently susceptible to both Letters of Marque and offers to join the Maven and will join if asked, but your conversion is not permanent and you do not count as a member of either crew for their purposes.
Naughty Visor.
your mum
What are you doing after those four seconds
El Barto
10-15-2015, 03:49
your mum
Tha' can't be possible. He's bin called a motherless yellabellied landlubber before. Make up yer mind!
Montmorency
10-15-2015, 03:50
nvm
What are you doing after those four seconds
:laugh4:
your dad
nvm
:laugh4:
Seriously though stop being hypocrite visor man
Seriously though stop being hypocrite visor man
no u
I will be protecting someone most likely, to make sure the groups go through without my interference. but i could rolenblock - haven't made up my mind yet
GeneralHankerchief
10-15-2015, 03:55
Enough.
But you protecting someone is unverifiable
Enough.
Okay I'm confused
But you protecting someone is unverifiable
Okay I'm confused
Well I can roleblock someone.
I haven't made up my mind yet. - whatever I do - it'll be in the writeup i think
@ GH
Me and zack are just joking around lol
So, I checked, and I think the only ones who voted for my (wrongful) lynch who are still on board are dcmort/notJim and Zack. Just sayin....
GeneralHankerchief
10-15-2015, 04:16
@ GH
Me and zack are just joking around lol
Jokes are fine, but seriously, "ur mum"? There's jokes and there's spam. Put some effort into it at least.
El Barto
10-15-2015, 04:16
Well, most o' our lynches war wrongful, lad. But I has ta say, fer enough gold I'd've voted ye as well, fair be fair.
Montmorency
10-15-2015, 04:18
[Enough - GH]
Well, most o' our lynches war wrongful, lad. But I has ta say, fer enough gold I'd've voted ye as well, fair be fair.
True, but my lynch was a particularly stupid and baseless one. Add to that spaceman was among the voters.
Take it for what it's worth.
GeneralHankerchief
10-15-2015, 04:21
In case it wasn't clear before, I don't exactly appreciate low-effort spam, especially after I've already warned you once not thirty minutes ago. Thread closed for an hour so I can actually do other things in the meantime than keep up with this drivel that's been on the last 20 posts or so.
GeneralHankerchief
10-15-2015, 05:21
Okay, let's try this a third time. Don't spam, play nice, and, oh yeah, don't annoy the moderator.
Open.
Ituralde
10-15-2015, 07:12
I be unable to understand why ye claims I be low-level suspicious, Ituralde.
You're just one of the five people I haven't made my mind up about yet. Next step would be to access each of those for their night actions and narrow it down, but I haven't done that yet.
So consider my suspicion to be quite low level.
Alright my scans, which can be confirmed by the leadership I believe, are as follows.
N2: BSmith (killing) and seireikhaan (stealing)
N3: BSmith for the full T3. He is Anne the Tavern wench, not susceptible and aligned with the crew of the Presence.
N4: Sprig (Killing) and Choxorn (Killing)
N5: Visor for T2 scan. Threw someone in the Brig and is not susceptible.
Thank ye for that. I would have been fine with a confirmation that BSmith is aligned with the crew of the Presence, but this is alos nice.
Is it the same role as the woman? Especially the weakness part should have come through by now, so probably not.
Kagemusha
10-15-2015, 08:21
Okay,
Announcement:
I am going to be sending you all night orders shortly. These are non-negotiable. You need to do these actions to help us work out who is french.
The first mate will be tracking two people at random from all the groups - so we have the chance to catch those who think they can shirk their duty.
Call it tyrannical, call it whatever. All this is trying to do is force as many people as possible in the writeup so they cannot possibly be doing french things.
Your orders will be sent in about an hour or so.
:pop2:
For those interested:
https://i.imgur.com/EUT9Tsz.png
I am not the same role as the woman.
As far as I can tell, if we haven't already killed them, the second maven officer has to be one of Andres, Ituralde or ATPG.
Both Monty AND zack are confirming they were stolen from so at least one is legit.
because at that stage there was only frenchman (assumedly) and the officer so if only one of those thieves is likely to be a maven officer.
Dollars to donuts the frenchman has been doing night actions with groups to be visible all game long I think.
Golden1Knight
10-15-2015, 15:21
N1: I stole from TFT (the only ones who could confirm - old captain kage and TFT himself - are dead and can't confirm :/)
N3: I forgot to send orders xD
It look like lies/excuses, it's true, but I'm telling the truth. If I had known since the beginning of the game how much it might raise suspicions, I would have opted for a more verifiable action :wall:
Askthepizzaguy
10-15-2015, 16:55
As far as I can tell, if we haven't already killed them, the second maven officer has to be one of Andres, Ituralde or ATPG.
I'm going to need a bigger boat... to handle all this gooooold.
I ain't never been no craven Maven and I ain't never been no frickin Frenchie froo froo frog leg eatin' freak.
I got a dinghy with everyone's gold on it and it's shipping out. That will narrow down your maven french whoever.
For those interested:
https://i.imgur.com/EUT9Tsz.png
If ATPG's N1 action is confirmed then so is mine.
El Barto
10-15-2015, 22:50
An' the other twa nights whaur yer actions be unproven?
GeneralHankerchief
10-15-2015, 23:00
Night 7 has ended, no more orders will be accepted.
An' the other twa nights whaur yer actions be unproven?
Guarded my gold and protected Montmorency.
El Barto
10-15-2015, 23:50
Guarded yer gold, ye says…?
GeneralHankerchief
10-15-2015, 23:52
Night 7
He had been fairly quiet at the start of the voyage, keeping his head down and mostly blending in ("his head be all the way up in Norway," one crewman had said), but everybody knew that it was only a matter of time before he resumed his usual boisterousness. And so, on the seventh night of the Presence's sail to Nassau, it was clear that the attention would be focused on him at last. Tonight would be Askthepizzaguy's reckoning.
Part of him saw it coming, of course. He had had conversations with the leadership over the past few days, annoyed just the right amount of people - both publicly during the day and privately at night. He had made enemies. And on a ship like the Presence, with its rapidly-decreasing crew and few opportunities for escape, people with enemies didn't survive very long.
So it was no surprise at all to Askthepizzaguy that two sailors came upon him with their cutlasses drawn, ready for battle. Pizza, awake and alert, had made preparations of his own.
"Arr, insert witticism here!" he cried out, facing his attackers.
"General statement of intent to actively seek your death!" one of them called back.
"Acknowledgement of such and expression of desire to commence with combat action!" Pizza replied, and the fight was on. The three men whirled around each other, trading blows and verbal barbs both, for several minutes, making their way around different parts of the ship as they gained and lost momentum. Pizza, for all of his casualness and preparations, at some point realized that he was outnumbered and clearly on the defensive. As such he stopped speaking in tropes, and, gritting his remaining not-particularly-hygienic teeth, focused all of his energy on trying to find and exploit any advantage.
"Where be they, I shelled out enough of me bounty for 'em..." he muttered to himself, throwing himself to the ground to avoid a cutlass sweep that would have taken off his head had he remained upright. Using his new lower position, he tried to trip his attackers, but they were wary about this move and successfully countered it, leaving Pizza in even more danger than before.
Now the attackers started kicking, taking advantage of Pizza being on the ground. With even more attacks to defend against, Pizza found himself ineffective at stopping anything, and pretty soon he was flat on his back, wounded in multiple places, and his own cutlass kicked harmlessly away. It was to be the end, then.
"ARRRRRR!" No it wasn't! Finally, they had arrived, three men armed to the teeth and charging straight for Pizza's two attackers. Not bothering to exhibit any fancy tactics whatsoever, the new arrivals simply used momentum as their main force in separating the two attackers from Pizza. It worked, one man diving off to the side and the other being thrown in the air for several feat before crashing to the surface in a heap, out cold and no longer a threat to anyone. Pizza, safe for the time being, tipped his cap to his saviors, though he was sure to mention that he had everything under control and that the situation wasn't as bad as it looked.
Several hours later, after the excitement had died down, Askthepizzaguy was ready to make his true move. He had made sure to time this for very late on in the night, when the general mayhem aboard the Presence had subsided and he was ensured a quiet and undisturbed area in which to operate. He made his way above decks, cutlass drawn, looking this way and that... and proceeded towards the ship's remaining dinghies, aiming to commandeer one for himself. The attack earlier in the night had only served to confirm Pizza's suspicions: It was time to abandon ship.
Interrupting his progress roughly every two seconds to check around for further attackers, Pizza made slow work, but finally prepared his dinghy. Checking around one last time, taking the sights in, he mused that at least he had survived without incurring the ire of the Captain. Such men had been known to shoot people in the face, a fate that Pizza was glad to avoid.
After lowering the dinghy down into the water, Pizza finally climbed over the side of the ship and stepped in, for the first time actually looking at what was inside the dinghy. He jumped about three feet in the air and almost fell out of the boat when I saw El Barto in there beside him.
"You... what... when... HOW??!?!" he sputtered.
"I be here literally the entire time," Barto said, looking amused. "If ye be focused on yer actual work and not checkin' every which way for ghosts ye mighta seen me. Do appreciate you doin' all the legwork to get this boat down in the ocean, though." He tipped his cap at Pizza for that.
"But why you? Weren't ye to stay and sell yer vote even more times gettin' richer and richer?"
"A relative o' mine runs a bank in Nassau," Barto replied, "and he imparted some wisdom to me a while back. 'Buy low, sell high,' said he, and I be thinkin' the time has come to sell."
"Fair enough," Pizza said.
"Aye, so I thought. Now, about that outstandin' payment o' gold you owe me..."
Pizza gulped. It was going to be a very awkward boat ride, but at least neither of them were trying to kill each other. For now, anyway.
The next morning, Captain Double A, flanked by his officers - dcmort93 and a very angry-looking Visorslash - gathered the remaining crew. "Right lads," he started, "I be the bearer o' truly catastrophic news this morn. WE BE LOSIN' ANOTHER DINGHY OVERNIGHT! Such wanton thievery has to be stopped fer the good o' all of us! These things cost money to replace, you know! It's not like we can just magically summon more o' these dinghies! Nay, we be havin' to pay for the wood! And it has to be the right kind o' wood, none of that rubbish that doesn't do to well o'er water, or in salt, or is flimsy! And then it has to be shaped, and polished, and shipped to Nassau! And the labor, gah! Always with the labor fees, they be spiralin' out of control..."
As Double A continued his tirade about the cost of replacing so many dinghies, Visorslash assumed charge of the proceedings. "Right, casualty reports," he said, still glowering. "Only one today, but it's an odd one. TheFlax wasn't French, or in his pay, but he wasn't Presence either. It appears that he was a representative of the Dutch West India Company, aboard on semi-official business. No idea what that was about, but I guess it be their problem now. Anyway, you all know what to do, so let's get it done!"
OOC: It is now Day 8. Voting will last until Friday, October 16th, at 23:59 US Eastern Time.
Feedback PMs will go out shortly.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Attacked: spaceman98 (n1), Askthepizzaguy (n1, n3, n7), Csargo (n2), Andres (n3, n6), johnhughthom (n5), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n5, n6), autolycus (n5), Ishmael (n5, n6)
Killed: TFT (n1), seireikhaan (n2), Ice (n3), landlubber (n4), Lissa (n4), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n6)
Mutinied: Kagemusha (d2)
Abandoned Ship: Ironside (n2), Choxorn (n6), Askthepizzaguy (n7), El Barto (n7)
Walked the plank: Xiahou (d3), spaceman98 (d4), TheFlax (d5), johnhughthom (d6), Ishmael (d7)
Souls aboard: (12)
Andres
autolycus
BSmith
Csargo
dcmort93
Double A
Golden1Knight
Ituralde
Montmorency
Myrddraal
Visorslash
Zack
Now I'm sure there is a brilliant explanation for why none of you followed orders and decided to be in the write up.
And I'm sure you are all going to blame me. :laugh4:
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 00:04
I blame you.
I told you this wouldn't work out.
So Myrddraaland I attacked Pizza, and the protection group worked out. Who were they?
What were the Officer result?
I can't defend an inactive captain
I blame you.
I told you this wouldn't work out.
So Myrddraaland I attacked Pizza, and the protection group worked out. Who were they?
What were the Officer result?
Defenders of Pizza are likely to be GoldenKnight, Autolycus and Andres off the too of my head
Did you pay myrdraal, cause I didn't.
Vote:Mutiny
I've got to keep up my record. Everyday.
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 00:08
I didn't do anything after you 'reassured' Barto and I last night.
Though I'm surprised at Zack.
Defenders of Pizza are likely to be GoldenKnight, Autolycus and Andres off the too of my head
Was that the original assignment you handed out?
GeneralHankerchief
10-16-2015, 00:10
All feedback PMs are out, please let me know if you have any questions.
In addition, Myrddraal has replaced Sprig on the player list.
Well I blocked ituralde cause I worked out he was likely a Maven officer of those remaining
The original assignment was for gk, auto, ituralde to protect pizza
But he had also paid them and Andres in addition.
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 00:12
Sounds reasonable.
By the way, Csargo, what were your orders and what did you do?
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 00:25
GeneralHankerchief
Would you allow Vote: SpecialMutiny?
A "Special Mutiny" for our purposes would be one where we forcibly demote Double A and he becomes unable to act (night or day) for the remainder of the game, but remains alive until lynched or killed?
No conversion to note. thats interesting. Wonder if the french were actually scared of DC tracking them
eh, we'll see what he says when he comes in thread
GeneralHankerchief
Would you allow Vote: SpecialMutiny?
A "Special Mutiny" for our purposes would be one where we forcibly demote Double A and he becomes unable to act (night or day) for the remainder of the game, but remains alive until lynched or killed?
And get all his gold
thats an important part
GeneralHankerchief
10-16-2015, 00:27
GeneralHankerchief
Would you allow Vote: SpecialMutiny?
A "Special Mutiny" for our purposes would be one where we forcibly demote Double A and he becomes unable to act (night or day) for the remainder of the game, but remains alive until lynched or killed?
Nope. Either he stays Captain (or resigns of his own volition) or you kill him. No half measures.
I need to actually get something after being robbed all those times
think i was robbed twice night 3 actually, judging by the gold i lost
so probably four times in total
i made a lot of friends :laugh4:
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 00:30
The gold I lost through being robbed and through greasing the network wheels totals somewhere a bit more than what I started with.
At least Pizza made good on his pittance. :shrug:
Sounds reasonable.
By the way, Csargo, what were your orders and what did you do?
The man with the boots tells no tales!
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 00:39
Vote: Csargo
El Barto
10-16-2015, 01:47
And get all his gold
thats an important part
Whilst smoking his pipe and watching Askthepizzaguy row industriously, El Barto thinks ‘tha' be the pirate way, lad, or at leas' th' best part o' it’. El Barto and Askthepizzaguy fade away into the waves…
dcmort93
10-16-2015, 01:50
Definitely thought night was ending a bit later than it did. I'm sorry guys.
Double A
10-16-2015, 01:54
I really don't care anymore.
I resign as captain.
Askthepizzaguy
10-16-2015, 01:54
The gold I lost through being robbed and through greasing the network wheels totals somewhere a bit more than what I started with.
At least Pizza made good on his pittance. :shrug:
Fare thee well. Nice crossin' swords wit ye.
GeneralHankerchief
10-16-2015, 02:01
Due to Double A's resignation as Captain, you must elect a new Captain in addition to the usual voting duties.
Example:
Elect: GH
Vote: Beskar
Continue onwards, mateys! :7pirate:
GeneralHankerchief
10-16-2015, 02:04
Elect: GH
Vote: Beskar
If elected Captain I promise I will use my hostly powers to give myself all the gold in the game (plus about infinity extra) and run the Presence aground on Tristan da Cunha.
Due to Double A's resignation as Captain, you must elect a new Captain in addition to the usual voting duties.
Example:
Elect: GH
Vote: Beskar
Continue onwards, mateys! :7pirate:
If we mutiny with no captain, do we get to throw GH overboard?
Then we have to do our own writeups!
GeneralHankerchief
10-16-2015, 02:06
Also, all mutiny votes are wiped (just Csargo's, I think now).
Then we have to do our own writeups!
Aye matey! We'd control the world!
Unelect: Elect: Montmorency I guess?
seireikhaan
10-16-2015, 02:12
I suppose now's as good a time as any now that the captain is finally gone. Having returned from Davey Jone's Locker, my specter is ready to turn this vessel into a proper, frightening presence.
Elect: seireikhaan
If you want this mess put into order, just let me in.
autolycus
10-16-2015, 02:14
Well, it seems to me like a good place to start is by absolutely guaranteeing that the captain is one of us.
Elect:Bsmith
If he won't accept, I think montmorency would probably be my second choice.
If I understand correctly, the activity log from last night is as follows
Visorslash: Blocked Ituralde
Ituralde: Blocked by Visor
Dcmort: inactive
Double A: Inactive
Andres: protect Pizza
Golden1Knight: protect Pizza
myself: protect Pizza
Myrdraal: attack pizza
mnotmorency: protect pizza
Bsmith: ??
csargo: ??
Zack: ??
Who wants to fill in their ?? s ?
bsmith went scanning for person who stole from him
The man with the boots tells no tales!
But likely signs his own death warrant.
I was stolen from again last night.
I would accept the captain role.
bsmith went scanning for person who stole from him
Aye. And auto it be. Better be thinking of some last words.
Askthepizzaguy
10-16-2015, 02:26
Oh my god, this boat is so heavy with all this gold on it.
But, it's still quite sea-worthy since I pushed El Barto off of it over by that frenzy of sharks.
Recquiescat in fragmentum, you scurvy swine. :pirate2:
El Barto
10-16-2015, 02:29
*amid a puff of smoke, the corpse of El Barto is revealed to be a log that was mysteriously substituted in at the last second. Back on the dinghy, a shuriken takes Arrrrskthepizzaguy's hat off.
Arrrr, I didnae jis' brin' back some shungy-e beuks fram the Orient. I also learnt meself Ninjutsu, which most pirates don'. Now get back ta rowin'!*
dcmort93
10-16-2015, 02:30
I'm going to throw my name into the captains race Elect: dcmort9 However I could be convinced to get behind a Bsmith movement
DC you should stay as first mate
so your scan levels dont get reset
I want to be a regular crewmen as I am unconverible townie
autolycus
10-16-2015, 02:32
Aye. And auto it be. Better be thinking of some last words.
Ye lie, Bsmith. I was protecting Pizza last night, as ye can see from the write-up.
How could Auto have possibly stolen from BSmith after being in the writeup last two nights?
dcmort93
10-16-2015, 02:36
Didn't see Bsmith's post above Unelect; Elect Bsmith
But likely signs his own death warrant.
I was stolen from again last night.
I would accept the captain role.
I's been dead the entire time matey. GH be lik' m. nightshamlon, what a twist!
Askthepizzaguy
10-16-2015, 02:42
*amid a puff of smoke, the corpse of El Barto is revealed to be a log that was mysteriously substituted in at the last second. Back on the dinghy, a shuriken takes Arrrrskthepizzaguy's hat off.
Arrrr, I didnae jis' brin' back some shungy-e beuks fram the Orient. I also learnt meself Ninjutsu, which most pirates don'. Now get back ta rowin'!*
Vote: El BartoI liked that hat. There's not enough space aboard this dinghy for the two of us.
Now are you going to walk the plank that I stole from the Presence, or do we need an epic sword duel?
Askthepizzaguy
10-16-2015, 02:44
By the way, the plank is way, way too big for this dinghy.
I.... did not think this through. I just take whatever's not nailed down.
And then I go back and take the nailed down stuff.
Golden1Knight
10-16-2015, 02:49
Elect: BSmith
May the Tavern Lady lead us to glory and fortune!
I am actually rather against BSmith being captain. He is already scanned unconvertible so we don't want him as captain.
I would prefer Montmorency get the spot.
dcmort93
10-16-2015, 03:10
I am actually rather against BSmith being captain. He is already scanned unconvertible so we don't want him as captain.
I would prefer Montmorency get the spot.
This is actually a good idea. Tonight I can scan him and someone else I've already scanned assuming I get kept as first mate
dcmort93
10-16-2015, 03:10
Unelect; Elect: Monty
Double A
10-16-2015, 03:14
elect: GH
vote: AA
How could Auto have possibly stolen from BSmith after being in the writeup last two nights?
Well night before last auto stole from me. That was the result of my investigation that I did last night.
Well night before last auto stole from me. That was the result of my investigation that I did last night.
The last two nights he was in the writeup though.
Attacking Andres and defending Pizza.
Why elect Monty? I still think he was the French recruit because of that weird af "letter"
As to my whereabouts last night:
You managed to steal 18 gold from Askthepizzaguy.
:smoking:
As to my whereabouts last night:
:smoking:
Because Andres obviously wasn't going to participate in the vig, and I strongly suspected there'd be a protection group.
Askthepizzaguy
10-16-2015, 05:07
I strongly suspected I'd be lynched at some point if I kept stealing from people. So I needed to excape.
But, I has a ship full of gold. I am happy.
https://youtu.be/4YZNXwjfq6g
I'm rich! I'm wealthy! I'm independent! I'm financially secure! I'm comfortably well off! Wooo hooo!!!
I've stolen from the blighter what tried to steal gold from me! Damn that felt good....
I've stolen 18 cursed coins from Askthepizzabeard! I'm never going to die, I'm going to forever roam this ship as a skeleton now, and I don't even care!
:pirate2:
RUN RUN
AS FAST AS YE CAN
YOU CANT CATCH ME
I'M ZACK MAN
I will elect whoever offers the most gold and/or promises the first mate position.
Askthepizzaguy
10-16-2015, 05:14
Well it's true, you can't catch me. I'm sailin' off into the distance with 1 of your gold coins still.
I'll treasure it forever.
Well it's true, you can't catch me. I'm sailin' off into the distance with 1 of your gold coins still.
I'll treasure it forever.
Actually due to rapid deflation of the dubloon, we are now equal.
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 05:27
Golden and Auto seemed to have attacked Andres the other night, BSmith. Gaius was blocked and Ishmael himself claimed to have been off the attack before being lynched.
Could you post your role-text?
Elect: Montmorency
Vote: Ituralde
Double A
10-16-2015, 06:56
Unelect
Elect: dcmort
He's a better choice than Monty. Almost guaranteed not to be scum. Visor's prolly not scum but I doubt anyone wants him as captain.
I don't trust Monty.
Kagemusha
10-16-2015, 07:13
:pop2:
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 07:30
Why?
DC would retain the FM post to complete his ongoing scans. Visor would retain his post, at least for another night.
Those are exactly my stated appointments, so if I break that promise and appoint another scum, there is no way to avoid losing the game the next day as both of us are mutinied-against and lynched.
As single scum in leadership, I would be - making more money? Not so useful for bribes at this point, and I think I deserve a bit of gold my way. Night-kill protection? I have never been at risk of NK during the game, making a campaign a pointless or even counterproductive exertion. Otherwise, I gain no special powers and am still subject to enforcing and assisting night actions (failure at which being the reason you were forced to step down). And in the end, I wouldn't even be eligible to vote in the day-phase except to break ties.
If you think I am scum, then you should in fact want me as Captain, rather than as an officer.
Elect: Montmorency
And by the way:
Unvote; Vote: Ituralde
dcmort93
10-16-2015, 07:35
Why?
DC would retain the FM post to complete his ongoing scans. Visor would retain his post, at least for another night.
Those are exactly my stated appointments, so if I break that promise and appoint another scum, there is no way to avoid losing the game the next day as both of us are mutinied-against and lynched.
As single scum in leadership, I would be - making more money? Not so useful for bribes at this point, and I think I deserve a bit of gold my way. Night-kill protection? I have never been at risk of NK during the game, making a campaign a pointless or even counterproductive exertion. Otherwise, I gain no special powers and am still subject to enforcing and assisting night actions (failure at which being the reason you were forced to step down). And in the end, I wouldn't even be eligible to vote in the day-phase except to break ties.
If you think I am scum, then you should in fact want me as Captain, rather than as an officer.
Elect: Montmorency
And by the way:
Unvote; Vote: Ituralde
If you can ensure that then my election vote will stay as it is. I'll follow suit at this point and Vote: Ituralde unless a reason to do otherwise comes up
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 08:05
So... Can anyone who was involved in the previous pirate ships confirm whether or not the Mafia could participate in townie actions?
Looking back at night results, it feels to me like the Mafia have been refraining from incriminating night actions and letting the town do the dirty work for them. After all, the only non-town result we've seen is a conversion.
The key thing is that, assuming the Mafia can indeed join in with town actions, an impeccably verified night action record is no indication of innocence.
Worst case, with one lynch and one conversion, a full quarter of the crew left aboard are French inclined (although we can hope we lynched more in the meantime).
Can anyone tell me if I'm barking (*sqawking?*) up the wrong tree?
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 08:15
From the rules:
Frenchman Agent (2)
...
Their powers include but are not limited to killing (obviously), working to see if any sailors aboard can be converted, and being able to work with loyal sailors in order to increase subversion.
I would hazard a guess that this might be part of their plan? Go along with the townie night actions unless they directly target mafia. After all, what have they got to lose? People still die, 'subversion' increases, their night-action record remains clean...
Ituralde
10-16-2015, 08:16
Ah, askthepizzaguy you lyin son of a pirate! Where's me gold. I protect you and have nothing to show for it and get thrown in the brig on top of it. This was truly a terrible night.
And to top it all off you want to lynch me now too? Me, the pirates pirate, always honest about his night actions, giving Visorslash an exact rundown of my actions, my gold and everything. His throwing me in the brig will confirm that it all adds up. But at this point I guess it makes no difference. If all I'm saying adds up, I'm French because that's what a clever French would have done. If someting doesn't add up, I'm French because of that. I really do hate the French!
But let's take a look at the case against me:
Night 1: Protection of Andres:
Kagemusha told me to do this together with Ironside and Csargo, I received the appropriate amount of gold and spent the remainder of the days questioning this. Either a player getting to grips with the mechanics or a scheming Frenchman out for the double bluff.
Night 2: Stealing from Askthepizzaguy, who caught me doing it:
The story is, that Askthepizzaguy is my French buddy and we made up this little story to not be accountable for during Night 2. But why would Askthepizzaguy lie? Why should he be French for that matter, when he's now leaving ship? And that after scoring some protection, that was sanctioned by the Officers.
Night 3: Stealing from Lissa:
She also confirmed that she was stolen from and the amount will add up to my statement. She was town too.
Night 6: Stealing from Ishmael:
He hasn't confirmed this or even mentioned it and we believe him to be French. If he were town, he could confirm my stealing, but keeping quiet is much better for him. This will keep the suspicion high and let the true remaining French live another day.
So I am an able Seaman, a strong one at that. I could post the role PM, but at this point everybody would assume that I stole it from Zack. I also received two role PMs a standard one and the corrected one, which makes me more likely to believe Zack is town.
I've had my fun, I've gotten some gold and will happily leave the ship tonight. You can lynch me today, the result will be the same: One less Able Seaman.
If the above is the evidence against me, go ahead. For me it makes much more sense to go after someone about whose night activities far less is known.
Vote: Andres.
Elect: BSmith.
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 08:21
Elect: Monty
Vote: Abstain (for now)
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 08:58
I'll make it all plain to the public:
1. I count Visor, Double A, DCMort, BSmith, and myself as the hard core that prevents Town from losing the game except in case of the worst possible series of blunders.
2. Andres is bottom of the list for Original Scum (OS) as from D2-N4 Spaceman was (besides me) the most vocal proponent of lynching/vigging Andres - and Spaceman was scum.
3. Lissa, Auto, Barto, and Flax were on the group attacking Spaceman N1. 3 people showed up. Lissa claimed block, and she flipped town. BSmith claimed block in the mid-game, and he is considered town. Barto is/was town. Flax was 3rd-party. Autolycus is thus highly-unlikely not to be OS. He has also been quite reliable.
4. Zack has been a strong presence during the game; the worst you could say about him is that he's choicy as conversion material, and he was very wrong about Lissa. On the other hand, Ishmael, whom I will take as scum, did himself tip a vote onto Spaceman, proving decisive in his lynch (i.e. bussing), and Zack is known for going all-in. Indeed, Zack worked very hard to help Ishmael die in the mid-game, and he had good opportunities to skip out on the Ishmael vigs or sabotage them.
5. Golden has been fairly-reliable, though he avoids the Day Phase and has a bad habit of either abstaining or casting meaningless votes.
6. Myrd is like Golden, but more actions accounted for and more active in posting.
7. Csargo: the enigmatic one. Elusive during the early-game, ostentatiously-irresponsible during the mid-game, and now totally-uncooperative.
8. Ituralde, of all the living players, your erratic behavior and piss-poor record paints you an unpleasant color.
So for original scum I can only consider two tiers: Ituralde or Csargo (equal probability), or Myrd or Zack. We must lynch either Csargo or Ituralde today. The other will be vigged by the rest, including myself.
A final note, again concerning the Spaceman lynch: the only players living now who were on the Lissa lynch are: Zack, Sprig (i.e. Myrd), Ituralde, and Golden.
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 09:03
A few typos and errors:
2. Andres is bottom of the list for Original Scum (OS) as from D2-N4 Spaceman was (besides me) the most vocal proponent of lynching/vigging Andres - and Spaceman was scum.
From Day 2 to Night 3.
3. Lissa, Auto, Barto, and Flax were on the group attacking Spaceman N1. 3 people showed up. Lissa claimed block, and she flipped town. BSmith claimed block in the mid-game, and he is considered town. Barto is/was town. Flax was 3rd-party. Autolycus is thus highly-unlikely not to be OS. He has also been quite reliable.
...thus highly-unlikely to be OS. Unintended double-negative.
So for original scum I can only consider two tiers: Ituralde or Csargo (equal probability), or Myrd or Zack. We must lynch either Csargo or Ituralde today. The other will be vigged by the rest, including myself.
Golden I mean, not Zack.
A final note, again concerning the Spaceman lynch: the only players living now who were on the Lissa lynch are: Zack, Sprig (i.e. Myrd), Ituralde, and Golden.
Again, Golden should be listed, though to be fair Zack (as noted) did lead that wagon.
Ituralde
10-16-2015, 09:05
I really be hopin Csargo is a Frenchie then. There is no way I'll survive this day or the night.
Also I was against the Lissa lynch in the quicktopic, but my last minute wavering was pointed out as keeping my French mate alive. She was town in the end.
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 09:11
Again, I didn't read what I wrote properly. :laugh4:
I already listed Golden as being on the Lissa wagon.
I missed adding Csargo to the list.
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 09:12
3. Lissa, Auto, Barto, and Flax were on the group attacking Spaceman N1. 3 people showed up. Lissa claimed block, and she flipped town. BSmith claimed block in the mid-game, and he is considered town. Barto is/was town. Flax was 3rd-party. Autolycus is thus highly-unlikely not to be OS. He has also been quite reliable.
I'm not sure I agree about Autolycus...
A vig group of four attacked a known frenchie, and one of the group was blocked (as good as confirmed). We know about El-Barto (and from the tone, it sounds like we know what Flax was as well, although I must have missed it).
To me, an equally sound theory is that the french were aware of the attack on one of their fellows, and blocked one of the group to make sure it failed.
Autolycus could therefore just as easily be the frenchie mole in the group.
Its highly likely that we've already hit the maven amongst the group.
But we still have to eliminate Ituralde and Andres to be sure. That way we are guaranteed to only have one original frenchman left.
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 09:39
Why is Andres suspicious? (genuine question, not rhetorical)
I haven't followed the conversation in the thread closely enough to see how it played out, but looking at the summary thread only:
On day 2, spaceman voted for Andres to by lynched. Had he switched his vote landlubber, it would have been a tie. Spaceman surely couldn't have known that GH would hold a spare/kill after the mutiny? It would take nerves of steel to hold your vote on a fellow frenchie to be lynched at the first in-game opportunity.
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 09:45
Upon more digging, I find that Spaceman, Choxorn, and Flax attacked Csargo. Choxorn asked Auto to join them, since earlier Auto had been trying to find a third to form a protection group with him and Flax. In the end, Auto claimed to have stolen.
This slightly bumps Auto down and Csargo up, but not by a lot - Auto was only called for 3 hours before the phase ended.
Failing to join a vig group on N2 given 3 hours notice is something, but it's not a very big deal.
Ituralde
10-16-2015, 10:59
Myrdraal is making a very convincing case against Andres being French and Csargo was on my initial list of the five remaining suspects.
Unvote: Andres
Vote: Csargo
Golden1Knight
10-16-2015, 12:48
Unelect; Elect: Monty
I trust you. In addition, no French would expose himself like that.
Vote: Ituralde
Csargo also seem suspicious, but as Monty said he will probably be vigged tonight, since Ituralde's wagon is on the move.
About Lissa, well, I really thought she was french. An unfortunate mistake.
autolycus
10-16-2015, 12:49
I'm not sure I agree about Autolycus...
A vig group of four attacked a known frenchie, and one of the group was blocked (as good as confirmed). We know about El-Barto (and from the tone, it sounds like we know what Flax was as well, although I must have missed it).
To me, an equally sound theory is that the french were aware of the attack on one of their fellows, and blocked one of the group to make sure it failed.
Autolycus could therefore just as easily be the frenchie mole in the group.
Ordinarily, Myrddraal, you'd be right, that the clearing of the other members of my group that night would make me likely to be scum. In this case, however, the vig was planned in a QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Y2ZukRi4RC8) that many people had access to, most notably Ishmael.
Re: my night two, I stole from Sprig that night. GeneralHankerchief, can you send Myrdrraal his predecessor's results PMs, so that he can confirm that?
Anyway, Vote:Ituralde
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 13:03
I don't have all the PMs, but I have a summary from GH.
According to that summary, I was not robbed on night 2. @GeneralHankerchief, I don't suppose you could confirm in a pm? In the meantime. Unvote, Vote: Autolycus.
Also, I'm not convinced that Ishmael was French either. Looking a the voting summary again, Ishmael voted for Spaceman in the lynch, which ended up with 8 for Lissa and 9 for Spaceman. Again, were he French, Ishmael could have swung the vote to save his buddy.
autolycus
10-16-2015, 13:11
Wait, I just checked my PMs, and I was wrong. I didn't steal from you, I stole from Golden1Knight. I was also part of the spaceman lynch. The biggest reason I'm personally inclined to think Ish was scum is that he was unaccounted for the night of the conversion.
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 13:16
I was also part of the spaceman lynch.
So you were... Unvote, Vote:Abstain (for now :wink:)
I stole from Bsmith, I referenced the boots so he'd confirm.
Golden1Knight
10-16-2015, 13:42
Wait, I just checked my PMs, and I was wrong. I didn't steal from you, I stole from Golden1Knight. I was also part of the spaceman lynch. The biggest reason I'm personally inclined to think Ish was scum is that he was unaccounted for the night of the conversion.
:stare:
Vote: ituralde
very angry-looking Visorslash
I just realised that you don't actually need to stipulate this in the writeups GH, Visorslash already covers it.
autolycus
10-16-2015, 14:03
Nothing personal, mate. For the first half of the game, I started every night by picking someone to steal from by RNG and sending in that order, so as to make sure I did something if I wasn't able to get back on or my group plans fell through. Yours was the only night I didn't override. Night 1 was NotJim, Night 2 was you, Night 3 was Sprig, but I accidentally said N2 again in the subject line. Night 4 was Andres, and then I stopped doing that because things were getting organized enough that I didn't think there was a risk of that.
You'd have a fair chunk of gold now then, wouldn't you?
Thieving bastards. :(
autolycus
10-16-2015, 14:51
You'd have a fair chunk of gold now then, wouldn't you?
Thieving bastards. :(
Well, only one of those thefts actually happened, because I overwrote them with group actions every night but night 2.
Double A
10-16-2015, 14:55
1. I count Visor, Double A, DCMort, BSmith, and myself as the hard core that prevents Town from losing the game except in case of the worst possible series of blunders.
why am I there I've been inactive half the game
Ituralde
10-16-2015, 14:57
Ah, it be a bandwagon indeed. Me strength won't help me a bit then. Don't expect me to hang around until the bitter end.
I be out and about and probably sleeping when the inevitable happens. Sorry for not being more helpful as town and I hope you be finding the remaining French.
So long! :7pirate:
Should have gone out, when I had the chance!
I'll make it all plain to the public:
1. I count Visor, Double A, DCMort, BSmith, and myself as the hard core that prevents Town from losing the game except in case of the worst possible series of blunders.
2. Andres is bottom of the list for Original Scum (OS) as from D2-N4 Spaceman was (besides me) the most vocal proponent of lynching/vigging Andres - and Spaceman was scum.
3. Lissa, Auto, Barto, and Flax were on the group attacking Spaceman N1. 3 people showed up. Lissa claimed block, and she flipped town. BSmith claimed block in the mid-game, and he is considered town. Barto is/was town. Flax was 3rd-party. Autolycus is thus highly-unlikely not to be OS. He has also been quite reliable.
4. Zack has been a strong presence during the game; the worst you could say about him is that he's choicy as conversion material, and he was very wrong about Lissa. On the other hand, Ishmael, whom I will take as scum, did himself tip a vote onto Spaceman, proving decisive in his lynch (i.e. bussing), and Zack is known for going all-in. Indeed, Zack worked very hard to help Ishmael die in the mid-game, and he had good opportunities to skip out on the Ishmael vigs or sabotage them.
5. Golden has been fairly-reliable, though he avoids the Day Phase and has a bad habit of either abstaining or casting meaningless votes.
6. Myrd is like Golden, but more actions accounted for and more active in posting.
7. Csargo: the enigmatic one. Elusive during the early-game, ostentatiously-irresponsible during the mid-game, and now totally-uncooperative.
8. Ituralde, of all the living players, your erratic behavior and piss-poor record paints you an unpleasant color.
So for original scum I can only consider two tiers: Ituralde or Csargo (equal probability), or Myrd or Zack. We must lynch either Csargo or Ituralde today. The other will be vigged by the rest, including myself.
A final note, again concerning the Spaceman lynch: the only players living now who were on the Lissa lynch are: Zack, Sprig (i.e. Myrd), Ituralde, and Golden.
I have been none of those things, except uncooperative maybe. But really why would cooperate with a group who tried to kill me and a guy who said he wanted to nuke me. Doesn't build much confidence. So, yeah I'm uncooperative with good reason.
Also, every time I protected someone solo I risked my life and GeneralHankerchief can corroborate that.
I have no idea how a failed big on me because of lack of people makes me more suspicious.:dizzy2:
I voted Lissa because I thought spaceman was a guaranteed lynch, so might as well put a little pressure.
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 16:26
@Golden1Knight (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99963) the only time you've come off the bandwagon was to vote for Lissa when Spaceman was threatened.
J'accuse...!
Unvote, Vote:Golden1Knight
Vote:Golden1Knight
Reasons posted before.
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 16:58
Csargo, for the sake of someone who's not been following the thread too closely till now, can you re-state your reasons?
His N1 actions aren't accounted for. Low profile throughout the game. Plus, what you said makes him a likely candidate.
If you elect Montmorency, I'll likely be killed, maybe I'll be killed either way. I'd advise picking a different candidate.
Elect:Csargo
I keep hearin ghosts. Let's be hopin this here hull don't be turning into the Black Pearl if'n you know what I mean.
I be all for killin spaceman, but let's not get too carried away. A sensible alternative would naturally be vote: Lissa.
Even if you don't trust the scan, this post pretty much clears BSmith. Scum BSmith buses spacemane here every time.
Elect: Andres
Vote: Goldenknight
Vote: Lissa
Vote: Lissa
El Barto I'll pay you a few gold to vote yourself. Name the price.
Also, tally updated.
Don't be so hard on yourself, I voiced my objection at the time. But you have the hat!
Unvote;el Barto; vote Lissa. Lissa over spaceman makes the most sense.
GoldenKnight and Csargo jumped on Lissa when the momentum started to swing that way with no given reasoning. Sprig/Myrddraal jumped on at the very end (tying it up) with little justification.
unvote, vote: Golden1Knight for now, I think one of those three is probably scum
One thing I'm confused about that I don't think has been cleared up -- no one paid Myrddraal last night, how did he participate in the vig attempt?
Reminder that at least one of these twelve people HAS to be french to explain the lissa block n1 (ones with QT access at the time kills were arranged).
TFT group -- BSmith, Zack, Ishmael, Sprig
ATPG group -- NotJimRV, Visor, Choxorn, landlubber
spaceman group -- Lissa, El Barto, autolycus, the Flax
Dead / abandoned ship, confirmed not-French: landlubber, Lissa, Flax
Dead / abandoned ship, alignment unknown: choxorn n6, Ishmael d7, El Barto n7
Living, unlikely French:
Visorslash (chose spaceman as vig target resulting in french forced to use a block instead of doing something else, pushed spaceman lynch)
BSmith (scanned town, didn't bus spaceman which is totally unlike scum bsmith)
dcmort93/NotJim (clinching vote on spaceman lynch)
Living, everyone else:
Zack (pushed Lissa lynch over spaceman)
Sprig (tied up Lissa with spaceman at end of day)
autolycus (voted on spaceman lynch)
Meaning that at least one of the following is French: Choxorn, Ishmael, El Barto, Zack (aboard), Sprig (aboard), Autolycus (aboard)
Had I actually wanted Lissa dead, I would have had El Barto vote her. I clearly had the means to shift it either way.
That would have been rather transparent and placed a foolhardy importance on short-term gain over the long game.
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 18:23
Aren't those that have abandoned ship been cleared by default? Presumably the French can't abandon ship?
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 19:18
All very interesting.
There are still no answers for the questions around the two stated roles among us:
Csargo stole N7 from BSmith, but BSmith noticed nothing and scanned Auto as having stolen from him N6, though Auto shows up in the N6 writeup? Given the breakdown of actions N6, the only people who had opportunity to steal from BSmith N6 were Ituralde, and Andres.
Ituralde is unaccounted for that night.
Myrd claims Mercenary role, so he needs to be paid to perform in groups, if I infer correctly. Neither Visor nor I paid him last night, nor apparently Zack. Role was given early in the QT as:
Character is a well respected mercenary / Reputation Good enough to demand gold up front for jobs
Ability:
Makes group abilities more effective.
Gain extra gold for performing in group kills.
Min 5 gold to perform a group action, or won't participate (Even if i send in orders)
Regardless, there were 5 people in the Pizza writeup.
Zack stole
Csargo stole
Itu was blocked
BSmith scanned
Golden protected
Auto protected
Monty attacked
Andres
Myrd
Could you post verbatim role-text?
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 19:27
In the interest of transparency - Recent PM conversation with Zack:
Part 1:
Hi Zack,
How public is my role? This is one thing Sprig didn't tell me, and also the reason I only contacted you and Visor last night.
I don't actually know who knows about it (I couldn't see anything in the thread) so I only contacted people who I knew had paid Sprig in the past.
Myrddraal
m43 of the publicly revealed qt (http://quicktopic.com/51/H/Y2ZukRi4RC8):
Ahh we got a bit of a problem, Someone need to stump up some gold or switch me out.
I just properly read my pm... I thought I just power up kill groups... But turns out my character doesn't do anything unless paid.
It is easier to just role claim.
Basic summary:
Character is a well respected mercenary / Reputation Good enough to demand gold up front for jobs
Ability:
Makes group abilities more effective.
Gain extra gold for performing in group kills.
Min 5 gold to perform a group action, or won't participate (Even if i send in orders)
- - -
It only 5 gold and there doesn't seem to be anything stopping me paying it back the next day anyways :S
My question is how did you participate last night if no one paid you? And how do you make group abilities more effective?
Part 2:
Ah...
Well, it would appear that Sprig lied.
The role PM says that if I am paid, any kill actions I participate in are 'more effective'. This is limited to kills only (I can't be paid to protect). If I am not paid, any kill actions I participate in have a chance of failure.
More effective apparently means that in kills where this is a chance of failure, this is reduced (I'm a bit confused by this, because if I've understood correctly, if four people turn up, there's never a chance of failure). In groups which turn up with a person short, there is still a chance of success.
My role PM does not state what the probability is, nor does it specify if I am more likely to survive if attacking alone.
In the interests of complete transparency, my handover PM from GH states that the payments so far went as follows:
N1: Visor
N2: Zack
N3: No payment received (attack failed)
N4: Zack
N5: Ishmael
N6: BSmith initially sent payment, but cancelled the transaction when it became clear that the group wasn't going to be a success (attack failed)
I kinda wish Sprig had told me about that qt reveal... I actually respect a little lie to earn some extra gold :laugh4:
Anyway, I can reveal all this in thread if you like, but really, it is a distraction from catching the French, so I'm inclined not to.
He probably just misunderstood it, because he paid me back the gold. Though I only remember paying him once.
Role PM:
As promised, here's enough to get you started. I'm looping Sprig in on this as well in case he has anything to add.
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Role PM:
Mercenary (townie)
“In an honest service there is thin commons, low wages, and hard labor; in this, plenty and satiety, pleasure and ease, liberty and power.”
~ Bartholomew “Black Bart” Roberts
Set sail! After a chaotic retreat from New Tortuga, you and the rest of the men aboard the Presence have found yourself with a massive haul of treasure (and without a Captain, but we won’t go there). However, there are enough old salts aboard to know that this large of a bounty never comes without any complications. If things stay true to form, these complications will most likely come in the form of the Frenchman, who’s been after the Presence for years. He is as wily as a fox and will never stop trying to get his ship back so long as he is alive. You’re going to have to be ready for anything and work together if you want to make it to Nassau to spend your loot… but you also see no harm in increasing your own share, either. You weren’t expecting a moral dilemma when you joined this particular crew, were you?
Your goals: You have two main goals, each of which is equally important.
First of all, you want to eliminate every last threat on board the Presence. Naturally, this threat comes mainly in the shape of the Frenchman but there could be other enemies looming…
Secondly, you want to acquire as much gold for yourself as possible. While there will most likely be a winning faction on Pirate Ship Mafia, in essence there can only be one *true* winner, and that’s whoever has the most gold. However, you will also score well if you survive and stay on board period, accumulate a lot of treasure before dying, or abandon ship with a lot of treasure and the Presence crew ends up losing.
You will not score so well if you die early on, abandon ship with little treasure, or abandon ship and later witness the Presence crew win.
If there is a Presence victory, the game will end the first night after all outside threats have been eliminated.
Powers: Each night, you may perform one of the following actions:
- Sleep. This means you will do nothing for the night. However, still sending in the order will net you a small gain in treasure.
- Protect a target with a group of at least three people, including yourself. The chances for a successful protection increase with numbers. All orders must match for a successful protection. You will be awarded the full amount of treasure if the target is still alive at the end of the night, even if he or she is not attacked.
- Kill a target with a group of at least four people, including yourself. The chances for a successful kill increase with numbers. All orders must match for a successful kill. As a mercenary, you perform better if you are paid for your services. See below.
- Individually steal gold from a target of your choice. You will receive anywhere from 5-20 gold, unless your target is guarding his or her gold.
- Choose to guard your (or someone else’s, see below) stash of gold. Should anyone try to steal from gold the nights you are guarding, they will be unsuccessful and you will have a good chance of knowing who stole from you.
- New for Pirate Ship Mafia III: As a supplementary action, you may designate someone else to guard your gold for you (if you are guarding someone else’s stash it is still the only thing you are allowed to do at night). However, be careful with whom you trust: Anyone you designate to guard your gold will instead have the opportunity to steal from you instead and take a large amount of gold from your own stash. Only one person is allowed to guard an individual stash of gold.
- If offered an event by me, you may choose to take part in that event as opposed to your normal night actions. Further details will follow in my “event” PM.
- Abandon Ship: Leave the Presence with all of your treasure. Abandoning ship means you depart the game permanently, so choose wisely when you do this.
In addition, you may perform the following actions during the day:
- Vote to determine who will walk the plank.
- Vote for a new Captain on Day 1 and whenever else it is necessary.
- In addition to this, you may also try to remove the Captain by voting for a mutiny. The proper way to do this in the thread is Vote: Mutiny. If 50% or more of living players vote for a mutiny, the Captain is removed from his position and executed along with whoever has the most votes. You automatically gain 10 treasure for a successful mutiny, plus the Captain’s entire stash of gold is evenly divided up among mutineers. In addition, only those who mutinied will be eligible to select the next Captain.
At any time, you may privately send me a Will detailing who your treasure goes to in the event of your death. You will automatically lose 50 treasure upon dying, but you can dictate who that treasure goes to, if anybody. Wills will only be considered valid if they are sent to me/updated at least three hours prior to your death.
Furthermore, you are allowed to transfer small amounts of treasure between crew members. The caveats to this are that is a maximum 10 treasure per person per day, the transfer must be for services rendered, and the services must be publicly available (in other words, no breaking the game by pooling all of your gold into one source). All transactions must be confirmed to me via PM by both parties.
Finally, you joined this crew as a well respected mercenary. You reputation is enough that you demand payment up front. If you are paid a minimum of 5 treasure to participate in a kill action, this action will be more effective. If payment is not provided, kill actions in which you participate will be less effective. Where there is a chance of a kill failing, this chance will be reduced. If you attack target but only three attackers submit orders (including you) there is a chance that the kill will succeed. This ability does not expire, but will only apply when payment is received for actions. Good luck!
Base gold: 100
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 19:29
Alright, standing orders for tonight:
Zack, BSmith, Golden, Auto, Monty, and Myrd will attack Csargo.
DC got in too late to scan last night, but this night he will be told his targets in advance.
One person will be blocked.
Myrddraal
10-16-2015, 19:29
GeneralHankerchief, I presume it's ok to post role pms?
Alright, standing orders for tonight:
Zack, BSmith, Golden, Auto, Monty, and Myrd will attack Csargo.
DC got in too late to scan last night, but this night he will be told his targets in advance.
One person will be blocked.
Why kill csargo instead of golden?
Montmorency
10-16-2015, 19:55
Hold off on that thought, Zack.
BSmith, please explain how it could be that Auto stole from you on N6. What exactly were your scan parameters, and your given scan results?
Askthepizzaguy
10-16-2015, 22:30
Ah, askthepizzaguy you lyin son of a pirate! Where's me gold.
Floating away on this dinghy.
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