The Elephant in the room.

Earlier this week a gang of Asian men were locked up for raping underage girls. It seems that things were brought to light over four years ago but nothing was done. I wonder why? Now that there has been a trial and convictions there is a lot of handwringing from the liberal elites. Initially the whole process was kept quiet. I wonder why?

Still celebrate that diversity chaps. I sure the raped kids were more than happy to be part of a vibrant culture.

As Louis used to say, in victimhood poker, racism beats sexism hands down. Everytime.

I just wonder why?

Asians are introvert silent guys who are good at maths, Starcraft and frying shrimps. What you English call Asians are Pakistani's and they aren't really good at anything except growing impressive beards and holding weird signs. Sometimes they drive taxi's but most live on welfare.

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Asians are introvert silent guys who are good at maths and Starcraft and frying shrimps. What you English call Asians are Pakistani's and they aren't really good at anything except growing impressive beards and holding weird signs. Sometimes they drive taxi's but most live on welfare.

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Ugh, I don't like this but I laughed. Most Pakistani's I've met are great people, maybe the quality increases with distance from Pakistan, what do I know? Corruption when left unchecked and treated with impunity will metastasize; irrespective of the ethnic background of the "corruptees". It's my new word for the day, which I've invented.

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Ugh, I don't like this but I laughed. Most Pakistani's I've met are great people, maybe the quality increases with distance from Pakistan, what do I know? Corruption when left unchecked and treated with impunity will metastasize; irrespective of the ethnic background of the "corruptees". It's my new word for the day, which I've invented.

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Very nice indeed

Only nineteen percent of Pakistanis have a negative view of Al Qaeda and by default the Taliban, whilst seventy-five percent wish to see Sharia law implemented. British-born Muslims make an estimated four hundred thousand trips a year to Pakistan, where as many as thirty threats against Britain are being monitored at any given time.
Thirty-three percent of Muslim students in Britain think killing in the name of Islam is permissible. Only thirty-seven percent oppose the introduction of Sharia law and only twenty-five percent oppose the creation of a worldwide Muslim caliphate.
MI5 believe there are up to four thousand potential terrorists and thirteen thousand Al Qaeda sympathisers living in Britain. The CIA devotes an astonishing forty percent of their anti-terrorist homeland security operations against suspects not in Afghanistan or Waziristan, but in Britain itself — a country described by one CIA operative as “a swamp of Jihadis.”
Barack Obama’s counter-terrorist advisor Bruce Riedel recently stated: “The British Pakistani community is recognised as probably Al Qaeda’s best mechanism for launching an attack against North America.”

Feel free to dispute any of this

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twenty-five percent oppose the creation of a worldwide Muslim caliphate.

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Meh, this bit's abit less impactful, I'm sure you would find the same statistics if you asked any group if they oppose the idea of thier religion or country taking over the world. I dont dispute the rest though.

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Only nineteen percent of Pakistanis have a negative view of Al Qaeda and by default the Taliban, whilst seventy-five percent wish to see Sharia law implemented. British-born Muslims make an estimated four hundred thousand trips a year to Pakistan, where as many as thirty threats against Britain are being monitored at any given time.
Thirty-three percent of Muslim students in Britain think killing in the name of Islam is permissible. Only thirty-seven percent oppose the introduction of Sharia law and only twenty-five percent oppose the creation of a worldwide Muslim caliphate.

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When I googled that statement, I found some "British nationalists" site and some site called "angry white dude". But no source for those figures. What is the original source of those statistics, please?

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When I googled that statement, I found some "British nationalists" site and some site called "angry white dude". But no source for those figures. What is the original source of those statistics, please?

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Daily Telegraph that one

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Meh, this bit's abit less impactful, I'm sure you would find the same statistics if you asked any group if they oppose the idea of thier religion or country taking over the world. I dont dispute the rest though.

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The rest is more than enough imho, islam is a cancer.

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The rest is more than enough imho, islam is a cancer.

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Than cut it out: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012...tal-war-islam/

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Daily Telegraph that one

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...The daily Telegraph has a reputation of being biased against damn near everyone.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

...The daily Telegraph has a reputation of being biased against damn near everyone.

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That means they're the only ones you can trust.

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...The daily Telegraph has a reputation of being biased against damn near everyone.

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Good company than, but these figures come from you own governement. Yes it's that bad.

In America it isn't any different dear american posters, what is real here is real with you as well. Even Sweden doesn't have it dispite being oh so very flexible.

Unfortunately the sexual exploitation of young poor women and girls is common place around the world. In some cities in England it seems to be a group of men of Pakistani origin who are doing this. In other parts of the country, and the world, other groups exploit young women similarly. Albanian sex traffickers are a major problem in much of Europe. I dare say that if you were to examine the sex trade in South East Asia, you would see a majority of 40-60 year old European, American and Australian men paying for the sexual services of young girls.

Of course it's important to target the groups who do this in each context. However I think there are several elephants in several rooms.

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Unfortunately the sexual exploitation of young poor women and girls is common place around the world. In some cities in England it seems to be a group of men of Pakistani origin who are doing this. In other parts of the country, and the world, other groups exploit young women similarly. Albanian sex traffickers are a major problem in much of Europe. I dare say that if you were to examine the sex trade in South East Asia, you would see a majority of 40-60 year old European, American and Australian men paying for the sexual services of young girls.

Of course it's important to target the groups who do this in each context. However I think there are several elephants in several rooms.

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Well at least we agree on it being men of Pakistani origin..... Well let's skip that

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

Earlier this week a gang of Asian men were locked up for raping underage girls. It seems that things were brought to light over four years ago but nothing was done. I wonder why? Now that there has been a trial and convictions there is a lot of handwringing from the liberal elites. Initially the whole process was kept quiet. I wonder why?

Still celebrate that diversity chaps. I sure the raped kids were more than happy to be part of a vibrant culture.

As Louis used to say, in victimhood poker, racism beats sexism hands down. Everytime.

I just wonder why?

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I realize that this isn't a problem for Fragony, but for some of us it's difficult to comment on a situation like this when we don't know anything about it. Link?

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Originally Posted by Kralizec

I realize that this isn't a problem for Fragony, but for some of us it's difficult to comment on a situation like this when we don't know anything about it. Link?

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Awwwwwwww I got plenty of links I just stopped bothering posting them.

Wanting them = getting them

Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

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I realize that this isn't a problem for Fragony, but for some of us it's difficult to comment on a situation like this when we don't know anything about it. Link?

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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/to...al-blind-spot/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ace-issue.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ed-to-act.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ng-racist.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-abusers.html

The salient points are these:

1. The abuse was know about for 4-10 years (reports vary) but the Police failed to act.

2. There appears to be a sub-culture of Pakistani Muslim men who prey on white girls, but not girls from their communities.

The general consensus appears to be that the Police exercised "positive racism" in not investigating and the men convicted were racists because they assume all white girls are sluts.

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Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

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Ohnoes, that simply cannot be

Not so streetwise Krazilec

Did they "fail to act" or were they gathering enough evidence to actually convict?

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They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

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Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

A minority =/= the majority.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Did they "fail to act" or were they gathering enough evidence to actually convict?

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The issue is an old one, was in the press over a year ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-12141603

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Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

We must be the Nation of Peace.

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I dont think that retort really works, some islamics say thiers is a religion of peace, yet I dont think anyone claims Britain is the Nation of peace.

Ah, I see you've edited it out.

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Originally Posted by Tiaexz

Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

A minority =/= the majority.

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You must be from that special place called not here. You can not walk with your GF in an area where culture has been enriched without any musings about her profession, and it isn't assumed that she has a degree in arts from the antiquity.

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Ah, I see you've edited it out.

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Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

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Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

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What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...n-men-barnados

So... it's an issue, that the Left is trying to talk away by saying, "In Eastern Europe..." In much of Eastern Europe people live in such poverty they sell their own daughters to pimps, but not in the UK. This wasn't the sex trade - this was a gang of predators from one ethnic group targeting another ethnic group.

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The issue is an old one, was in the press over a year ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-12141603

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hmm, they should be more up front about the statistics rather than falling over themselves to talk about not stereotyping a whole community and how girls of all races are targetted. Parents having accurate information about what the threat to their daughters is is more important than some politicians anxiety about whether people will stereotype.

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Originally Posted by Tiaexz

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

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The outrage is over the (sketchy) allegations that the police didn't investigate because they were afraid of being accused of being racist. Their concern in this case should be entirely about the crime being committed, and yours should be as well, not hand wringing about how the "Right" will exaggerate it. Come to think of it, in any crime by a muslim there are going to be right wing people exaggerating it to all muslims, so we should just not report or tell parents about any of those crimes. Instead we should get right back to "tackling the problem at every step" whatever that means.

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What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

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So what? He'll never meet your sisters, what happens to them has no effect on him, but he will read headlines written by "right wingers" that "stereotype all muslims" and be annoyed. He just has his priorities set right surely.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...n-men-barnados

So... it's an issue, that the Left is trying to talk away by saying, "In Eastern Europe..." In much of Eastern Europe people live in such poverty they sell their own daughters to pimps, but not in the UK. This wasn't the sex trade - this was a gang of predators from one ethnic group targeting another ethnic group.

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Sure, if there is a current risk, then people need to be made aware that this happening. However, that doesn't mean the nice man from Pakistan who works in the local shop has a basement full of kidnapped white girls.

There is a clear difference between "being careful of acitivity x" and "all people are doing activity x, condemn them all!". That is the objection from my side. it is just totally wrong and vulgar. You wouldn't like it if some one ended up stereotyping you in such a way, and neither would I, simply because a minority group of British nations were doing the same in another country.

As it says in the Bible "Treat others as if you would like to be treated yourself", I believe you hold such a view and so do I.

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The outrage is over the (sketchy) allegations that the police didn't investigate because they were afraid of being accused of being racist. Their concern in this case should be entirely about the crime being committed, and yours should be as well, not hand wringing about how the "Right" will exaggerate it. Come to think of it, in any crime by a muslim there are going to be right wing people exaggerating it to all muslims, so we should just not report or tell parents about any of those crimes. Instead we should get right back to "tackling the problem at every step" whatever that means.

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Then that is what should be tackled, the failure of the action. However, the failure by one party doesn't give ground for widespread discrimination. Yes, the accused committed something terrible, people should have acted sooner. I don't think anyone would ever disagree on this point.

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So what? He'll never meet your sisters, what happens to them has no effect on him, but he will read headlines written by "right wingers" that "stereotype all muslims" and be annoyed. He just has his priorities set right surely.

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Yes, because clearly I would like to see harm to PVC's sisters, opposed to a reality where I hope such a thing would never happen to them, even though I have never met them, nor something I would ever wish to happen to anyone even people I might dislike.

I've read about this and it's one of the most disgusting things I've heard, the idea that the police let it go on, even on the grounds of building a case is just plain wrong, the overriding duty of any adult is to protect children. If my cousins had been put through this I would now be up for multiple murders, the very least they should get is chemical castration, if not castration performed by a drunk, blind alcoholic with a rusty knife.

There should also be an investigation into why the local community let this happen and if they approve of it, if so that society, whatever it's fundamental beliefs, should be torn down and the ground salted.

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Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

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It did? I don't remember it. It's rather new and lefties don't like it as people might just get some doubts about multiculture. That happened here as the police so scared about the mlticultural left (with good reason) that they simply didn't act. They could lose their job because things just aren't the way people from 100% white neighbourhoods say you got to say it is. Buy a ticket for the Marry Poppins musical ffs I heard it is pretty good if you like that kind of thing

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Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

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So the Swedish rapes made it to England then.

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Originally Posted by Tiaexz

Sure, if there is a current risk, then people need to be made aware that this happening. However, that doesn't mean the nice man from Pakistan who works in the local shop has a basement full of kidnapped white girls.

There is a clear difference between "being careful of acitivity x" and "all people are doing activity x, condemn them all!". That is the objection from my side. it is just totally wrong and vulgar. You wouldn't like it if some one ended up stereotyping you in such a way, and neither would I, simply because a minority group of British nations were doing the same in another country.

As it says in the Bible "Treat others as if you would like to be treated yourself", I believe you hold such a view and so do I.

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Nobody is saying "all Muslim" or "all Pakistanis" - nobody worth listening to at any rate - what people are saying is that this happened, and continues to happen, because these ethnic groups are not properly integrated into our society. They see white girls as fundamentally different to Pakistani girls, to the extent that they will do things to the former they would never dare do to the latter.

That's the definition of racism - these Pakistanis and those like them who abuse white girls are racists.

The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".

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So the Swedish rapes made it to England then.

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Make no mistake about these rapes it is a huge problem there. You are saver in Africa as a blond hot chick.

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The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".

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Is it racist though? He's basically stating a fact that if you're looking to have fun, you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting it on with most Indian girls, and with White girls the chances are higher, which imho is correct. As for marrying into your own race and culture, that's what 95% of people already do anyway. He's just reasserting that trend.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

what people are saying is that this happened, and continues to happen, because these ethnic groups are not properly integrated into our society. They see white girls as fundamentally different to Pakistani girls, to the extent that they will do things to the former they would never dare do to the latter.

That's the definition of racism - these Pakistanis and those like them who abuse white girls are racists.

The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".

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Agreed, but racism doesn't call for more racism in return. That is the only objection from me in this thread. On the part about integration, I believe you already know my views on this, as for my preference of an open/assimilation society, to quote a historian speaking about Rome. "You have all these people coming here, bringing with them new ideas and customs, all these are effectively consumed by Roman society, taking bits and pieces then spitting out what is effectively Roman".

I have also been on the receiving end of such racism before seven years ago when I was dating a Greek girl, she was forced by her father to break the relationship since I wasn't a "Good Greek Boy".

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Is it racist though? He's basically stating a fact that if you're looking to have fun, you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting on with most Indian girls, and with White girls the chances are higher, which imho is correct. As for marrying into your own race and culture, that's 95% of people already do anyway. He's just reasserting that trend.

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Not quite - Indian girls are hardly frigid, they're more tightly controlled by their parents/lie more. If you look up the actual quote, the subtext is "you can sleep with white girls, not marry them".

The point is that even in a moderate Indian household you have the same thinking - white girls are there to be used for fun, your own people aren't.

White girls are whores, because that's what a whore is, isn't ti - a woman you use for sex?

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...Indian girls are hardly frigid, they're more tightly controlled by their parents/lie more.

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Perhaps that's what White parents need to do as well. Otherwise, it's just a reflection of reality: it's easier to get a White girl in bed as opposed to an Indian girl.

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Perhaps that's what White parents need to do as well. Otherwise, it's just a reflection of reality: it's easier to get a White girl in bed as opposed to an Indian girl.

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Got any stats on that?

You think Indian/Pakistani girls don't sneek out like white girls did 20-30 years ago?

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Got any stats on that?

You think Indian/Pakistani girls don't sneek out like white girls did 20-30 years ago?

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There's a huge difference between the White girls of today and the White girls of 30 years ago. The Indian girls of today might very well be like the White girls of 30 years ago. The problem is that the White girls of today aren't what they used to be.

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There's a huge difference between the White girls of today and the White girls of 30 years ago. The Indian girls of today might very well be like the White girls of 30 years ago. The problem is that the White girls of today aren't what they used to be.

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You mean they no longer pretend to be virgins?

I'm shocked, shocked I say!

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You mean they no longer pretend to be virgins?

I'm shocked, shocked I say!

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Shocked or not, it doesn't help their reputation.

What, so a girl of, say for example, 18-20 goes out and gets laid she's a whore? Or maybe just gets a bad rep?

Shame on anyone who thinks this, she is just a girl doing what she wants with her body when she is old enough to make up her own mind. "Let he without sin" to quote another useless, in my mind and without wanting to cause offend to those who believe, religion.

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What, so a girl of, say for example, 18-20 goes out and gets laid she's a whore?

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To some people, absolutely.

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...she is just a girl doing what she wants with her body when she is old enough to make up her own mind.

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Sluts are also doing what they want with their bodies. They're still sluts though.

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To some people, absolutely.


Sluts are also doing what they want with their bodies. They're still sluts though.

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Small minded bigotry

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Small minded bigotry

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No, just truth.

Okay. It looks like productive conversation has come to an end.

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In many parts of the world, you mess with the daughter and the Family / Clan will come and extract a blood debt. We don't do that sort of thing in the UK, we leave it to Social Services to ignore it, Police to not bother investigating and Politicians to brand all discussion implicit membership to the BNP.

Hence, it is a safe assumption that going after white girls is a safe course of action.

~:smoking:

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In many parts of the world, you mess with the daughter and the Family / Clan will come and extract a blood debt. We don't do that sort of thing in the UK, we leave it to Social Services to ignore it, Police to not bother investigating and Politicians to brand all discussion implicit membership to the BNP.

Hence, it is a safe assumption that going after white girls is a safe course of action.

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Yes, looks like the British have become too civilized to defend themselves.

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No, just truth.

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No, it's blaming the rape victims for not being pure enough.

It's shaming girls for an act that we exalt boys for

By your definition of slut, 90% of fathers instruct their sons to be sluts

I don't know why I am surprised. Stupid is as stupid does.

Last time I checked rape is still a crime

The cops should be sacked and replaced with those whom wish to execute their duties

We can start their and worry about other things later.

This conversation ocilates between "blame those sluts" to "blame those muslims" I say we enforce our laws and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

The general consensus appears to be that the Police exercised "positive racism" in not investigating...

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I only just read about this today, but the only thing I've come across so far that suggests this is a former Labour PM making that accusation.

[linguistic aside]

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Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg

irrespective of the ethnic background of the "corruptees". It's my new word for the day, which I've invented.

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A bold attempt, but not quite original. The Corpus of Contemporary American includes two instances of corruptee:

• In order to have corruption in these unions, you need a corrupter and a corruptee -- we were the former and UNOC was the latter.
• There is a corrupter and a corruptee involved in every bribe, and developed nations need to take the issue more seriously

And Google returns an estimate of 23,300 hits for "corruptee." Small, but present nonetheless.

[/linguistic aside]

Ajax

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Originally Posted by Ja'chyra

What, so a girl of, say for example, 18-20 goes out and gets laid she's a whore? Or maybe just gets a bad rep?

Shame on anyone who thinks this, she is just a girl doing what she wants with her body when she is old enough to make up her own mind. "Let he without sin" to quote another useless, in my mind and without wanting to cause offend to those who believe, religion.

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You quoted it, so it's not useless - you obviously think the lesson should be taken on board.

Does it matter that these men are Muslims? I don't know, Muslims are Christians or "post Christians" - they have a different concept of morality, social behaviour, and most importantly Sin.

A Christian would say that no matter the Sin someone has committed, you shold not Sin against them - and that all Sins are equally painful for God. The motif in Islam is the older "scale" where your sins are weighed.

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No, it's blaming the rape victims for not being pure enough.

It's shaming girls for an act that we exalt boys for

By your definition of slut, 90% of fathers instruct their sons to be sluts

I don't know why I am surprised. Stupid is as stupid does.

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rvg presumably doesn't have any daughters, sisters, or cousins.

You are absolutely right though - it takes two to tango and what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

rvg presumably doesn't have any daughters, sisters, or cousins.

You are absolutely right though - it takes two to tango and what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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You're wrong, of course.

I think people exaggerate the double standard on that stuff.

Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?

Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.

The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).

No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.

As far as I can tell, no pedo stuff here.

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As far as I can tell, no pedo stuff here.

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I heard ages of 13-15... Am I wrong? If so, I change my statement to read "abuse ring", which also doesn't change anything.

...I guess if you want to be technical its actually called Hebephilia and Ephebophilia.

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I heard ages of 13-15... Am I wrong? If so, I change my statement to read "abuse ring", which also doesn't change anything.

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Pedo is aiming pre-puberty aka ages ~11-12 and younger, and such people tend operate in very different ways; and the nature of the crime is also naturally different. Can't say I am familiar with the concept of abuse rings of teenagers, though; sounds more like something that has to do with human trafficking, which this case hasn't.

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Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?

Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.

The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).

No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.

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The fantasy of the local Pakistani PC?

What about the man from Bernado's who says Pakistani/Asian men are over-represented as abusers?

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...I guess if you want to be technical its actually called Hebephilia and Ephebophilia.

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A 14-year old is a child. Especially with regards to sexual relations. Especially the girls.

I have personal experience in this field, perhaps as the only one here? I've had a 14-year old girl come on to me, her 25-year old substitute teacher. And I have to say that anyone who gets turned on by their clumsy advances are deeply disturbed individuals. They're children. They might look old enough, but once they start their advances you realize that they have the sexual brain of a 4-year old.

So, pedo.

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A 14-year old is a child. Especially with regards to sexual relations. Especially the girls.

I have personal experience in this field, perhaps as the only one here? I've had a 14-year old girl come on to me, her 25-year old substitute teacher. And I have to say that anyone who gets turned on by their clumsy advances are deeply disturbed individuals. They're children. They might look old enough, but once they start their advances you realize that they have the sexual brain of a 4-year old.

So, pedo.

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They're not children - quite a few 14 year olds are sexually active and aware, reproductively responsible etc. What you are describing is their lack of sophistication, which is what makes them unattractive to most grown men. However, if you see a woman as merely a sex object then you can see a 14 year old as a woman for that purpose.

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They're not children - quite a few 14 year olds are sexually active and aware, reproductively responsible etc. What you are describing is their lack of sophistication, which is what makes them unattractive to most grown men. However, if you see a woman as merely a sex object then you can see a 14 year old as a woman for that purpose.

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And that has what relation to a healthy view on sexual relations?

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And that has what relation to a healthy view on sexual relations?

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It relates to these men seeing white girls, but not Pakistani/Afghan girls, as sex objects.

This is a problem of race relations, specifically an extreme lack of integration.

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It relates to these men seeing white girls, but not Pakistani/Afghan girls, as sex objects.

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Do they view promiscuous Pakistani/Afghan girls any better? If they don't kill them that is.

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It relates to these men seeing white girls, but not Pakistani/Afghan girls, as sex objects.

This is a problem of race relations, specifically an extreme lack of integration.

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And they got a harsher sentence because of that.

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Do they view promiscuous Pakistani/Afghan girls any better? If they don't kill them that is.

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These are 13 year old girls, they are unlikely to be promiscuous.

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These are 13 year old girls, they are unlikely to be promiscuous.

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I'm talking within the framework of the post below...

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Nobody is saying "all Muslim" or "all Pakistanis" - nobody worth listening to at any rate - what people are saying is that this happened, and continues to happen, because these ethnic groups are not properly integrated into our society. They see white girls as fundamentally different to Pakistani girls, to the extent that they will do things to the former they would never dare do to the latter.

That's the definition of racism - these Pakistanis and those like them who abuse white girls are racists.

The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".

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13-year olds are actually bigger pigs than 14 and 15-year olds....

The proper answer to this thread though, is of course more feminism. We've emasculated the european male, now onto the next continent.

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13-year olds are actually bigger pigs than 14 and 15-year olds....

The proper answer to this thread though, is of course more feminism. We've emasculated the european male, now onto the next continent.

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If by the next continent you mean Africa, then yes, full speed ahead.

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And yet - white boys have no problem marrying them. This was the attitude 30 years ago too - it's n't simple a reaction to modern sexual mores.

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13-year olds are actually bigger pigs than 14 and 15-year olds....

The proper answer to this thread though, is of course more feminism. We've emasculated the european male, now onto the next continent.

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Obviously not without less multiculturalism so that gender-equality is absorbed by immigrant groups though, right?

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And yet - white boys have no problem marrying them. This was the attitude 30 years ago too - it's n't simple a reaction to modern sexual mores.

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And that's White boys' business. White boys, like any other boys can marry whomever they manage to talk into it. They aren't required to marry anyone in particular though, nor are they required to be impartial and objective in their choices. Besides, ethnic subcultures tend not to intermingle with outsiders anyway, and there's nothing wrong with that, after all, that's what 95% of people end up doing.

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And yet - white boys have no problem marrying them. This was the attitude 30 years ago too - it's n't simple a reaction to modern sexual mores.



Obviously not without less multiculturalism so that gender-equality is absorbed by immigrant groups though, right?

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I have never in my life cared about culture.

A true commie knows that such nonsense belongs to the bourgeoisie.

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I have never in my life cared about culture.

A true commie knows that such nonsense belongs to the bourgeoisie.

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Starting worrying - it is the issue in question.

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A 14-year old is a child. Especially with regards to sexual relations. Especially the girls.

I have personal experience in this field, perhaps as the only one here? I've had a 14-year old girl come on to me, her 25-year old substitute teacher. And I have to say that anyone who gets turned on by their clumsy advances are deeply disturbed individuals. They're children. They might look old enough, but once they start their advances you realize that they have the sexual brain of a 4-year old.

So, pedo.

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Not the point, I thought Viking was saying that there was no pedophillia because as a technical term a pedophile is one who sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children (13 years or younger), Hebephiles are sexually attracted to early pubescent children (11–14) and Ephebophiles are attracted to late pubescent (15 to 19). For myself I dont care what they are labled, they acted in a horrific manner and they deserve nothing less than the death penalty.

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Not the point, I thought Viking was saying that there was no pedophillia because as a technical term a pedophile is one who sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children (13 years or younger), Hebephiles are sexually attracted to early pubescent children (11–14) and Ephebophiles are attracted to late pubescent (15 to 19). For myself I dont care what they are labled, they acted in a horrific manner and they deserve nothing less than the death penalty.

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Actually, aren't Ephebophiles attracted to teenage boys? An Ephebe is a beardless boy.

Ah, I see from wiki the term is corrupted. I can't help thinking we should use more precise terms for sexual perversions.

Sometimes I wish we didnt need any terms for sexual perversions more kinky than Urination .

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Sometimes I wish we didnt need any terms for sexual perversions more kinky than Urination .

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I often wish we still gelded perverts and hung them with iron chains.

Ah - back when the Church was righteous.

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I often wish we still gelded perverts and hung them with iron chains.

Ah - back when the Church was righteous.

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Occasionally things still get done right. This guy had a problem and did what any good father would do: he took care of it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ody-parts.html

You know I think Stan and Kyle say it best.