Sure, see again his quoted reads list from early D2:
What he's doing with Visor at EOD is consistent with that: strongest defense for Taffy.my strongest villa reads are cape/vulgard
then pizza/taffy (idk if i mentioned them but i really liked a string of posts they had on..some page. it was v genuine imo)
then i villa lean a bunch of people but i could easily be wrong on them -csargo/monty/dya/boq/HK
HK is the one, of the three, he explicitly says "may be" scum however. And I expect that ladd did the typical thing and spread his teammates among tiers.
So even if you think HK is scummy, he shouldn't be easily paired with Taffy or dya.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
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God dammit, I reverted back to pronoun habit with Dya. I'm so sorry. I'd like to blame my exhaustion but it's just habit. I'll keep trying.
I think that is a sign I should leave for a while though. I'm not thinking clearly.
I have an appointment tomorrow that's going to take up most of the day and is possible it will run all the way through EoD. Not likely, I don't think, but possible. I'll leave a safety vote before I leave of whoever Vulgard is voting for unless I vehemently disagree. At this point that would be Dyachei.
Ender, Vulgard, I'm going to be gone for a good while, say 12 hours. But I'm going to be more active than in early game, towards the following promise: I'm going to catalogue every impression ladd offered of each player.
That's a promise - TBD well before EOD.
In parallel, please follow a division of labor and assemble every player's interactions with or impressions on ladd.
An example of the kinds of documentation I'd like you to gather.
Taffy
If Ender-ladd paired they deserve an award. Because their whole relationship was:
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This is accurate, but is it scummy? Let's be real here, you're trying to characterize that giving no reason for a changed town-read on someone you (Csargo) are heavily implying to actually be town (since Ender in the above argument is scum and *somebody* got shot by Pizza yesterday) is scum motivated. It just isn't. This whole comment from here onward is you calling me "weird" (TM), often literally. Pizza would fucking shish-kebab you for this post.
My opinion on Vulgard changed throughout the course of the last day. He had several posts that dropped the hedgy wording and looked focused and interested and just real. I never got a chance to bring it up before real life intervened, and when I got back, the whole Pizza fiasco had happened and I lacked both time and motivation for putting together an iso to show why. So I just mentioned my switch on Vulgard in passing.
I'm never going to apologize or explain away a focus on scum reads over town ones overall. I know it's not the meta, and I know it makes for an easy push on someone in some context. I'm still not going to change until and unless I become comfortable with it again.
It is not scummy to focus on the scum.
My arguments on Visor were hot trash. It was 90% tone read, strong-wolf paranoia, and Pizza sheepage, with just enough meat around the edges to hold it all together. The other two are not trash.
"For some reason", seriously Csargo. You're looking at my iso as you're writing this, it can't be that difficult to figure out what was going on in my head. I am certain I put in writing multiple times at various points about how I was conflicted about whether or not Ender actually was cleared by Pizza. I switched opinions at least twice, and at the end of the day was in the mindset that I didn't want to take the chance of making a compete fool of myself by lynching him if he was cleared town and I was just too stubborn about my own reads to acknowledge it.
Again here you are kind of TMI-ing Ender-wolf when if you are really reading my "weirdness" as scum-motivated, you should be giving at least a little thought to the idea that I might have been motivated by fear of pushing a lynch of a cleared townie.
I was in a world where I'm seeing both Hollowkatt and Visor as scum, and treating Ender as not. Both of them had voted Ender at one point to self-pres, and I figured I could assume they would both go back on that bandwagon again if they needed to. This is why I originally switched to Visor from Hollowkatt. I wanted to put some distance between Ender's vote count and the two of them, and since I was already on Hollowkatt, the only way I could do that was by switching. If this was MU with automatic vote counts and easy refreshing of the page, I would have switched back to Hollowkatt and then gone back to Visor at the last second if it looked like they were trying to save each other by piling on Ender again. Since it's the org instead, I wasn't willing to risk getting sniped without noticing. When Cape voted on Hollowkatt, my mental accounting had it as needing one more reliable (meaning not Visor) vote on Hollowkatt for it to be worth it for me to switch. That last vote never came, so I stayed on Visor.
If Ender is a wolf, going after me for yesterday's voting is 100% valid, because I did act to save him, and openly and transparently so. Doing so now, when he can still be town, and that's the only real reason in this entire post that you have for voting me? Nope.
As mentioned above, it wasn't. I needed one more vote. I probably should have just asked for it.
(Bolded in that last bit is mine.)
I don't know, maybe you are just puzzled by me, but we have here a post that is half trying to turn "she's weird and I don't get her" into a scum read and half "she was obviously trying to protect wolf-Ender (who hasn't actually flipped wolf)" and I am having trouble believing that it's real.
Right back at you buddy. vote: Csargo[/QUOTE]
I think I did say the tr stuff was whatever. I just noted that stuff tbh.
If the Visor read was 'hot trash' why did you move there? Instead of just staying on HK. Purely out of paranoia?
I don't think I assumed anyone's alignment in what I said either?
I have a high opinion of you. I was assuming you'd just throw out the pizza stuff as town, because there's no way we'd ever know who the shot actually was. I did see you say it was useless, but yeah I also saw the dya stuff as well. Then just go with your own reads, which were that all three of them were woofs in your eyes. So in a world where all three of them are woofs to you, your actions don't make sense to me. That's the majority of why I voted you, to see why you treated eod the way you did.
If you were treating ender as cleared then lol me I guess. I really thought you wouldn't do that tbh.
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I think I did say the tr stuff was whatever. I just noted that stuff tbh.
If the Visor read was 'hot trash' why did you move there? Instead of just staying on HK. Purely out of paranoia?
I don't think I assumed anyone's alignment in what I said either?
I have a high opinion of you. I was assuming you'd just throw out the pizza stuff as town, because there's no way we'd ever know who the shot actually was. I did see you say it was useless, but yeah I also saw the dya stuff as well. Then just go with your own reads, which were that all three of them were woofs in your eyes. So in a world where all three of them are woofs to you, your actions don't make sense to me. That's the majority of why I voted you, to see why you treated eod the way you did.
If you were treating ender as cleared then lol me I guess. I really thought you wouldn't do that tbh.
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And Amy too
which means Dya is town as well
niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
yeah ender and vulgard cleared
I kind of still want to go hk
i'll be back later not feeling very good today
I'm going to dump my brain and then dip again, will be back tomorrow (rl) to read reactions and anwer questions and vote.
Here's how I read this morning:
- Montmorency votes Ender
- HK votes Dyachei
- Renata pushes her HK case again
- Montmorency links HK to Boq, tries to dissuade Renata
- HK objects to pairing with Boq
- Csargo calls HKs response oddly defensive, subtly reinforcing the pairing
- Csargo makes case against Renata (looks like chainsaw)
- Ladd pushes Ender again, pairs with Ampharos
So at this point I see two worlds presented to me: HK/Montmorency/Csargo/Ladd vs Renata/Ender/Ampharos/Dyachei
Vulgard then shoots Ladd.
So I would like to kill one of the other three in that first group if possible.
I have only played the whole of 1 day with Dyachei before, but their indignance over my push on Visor yesterday felt the same as last time. I think they'd have defended him harder if they'd known for a fact he was town. Also willing to sheep Cape here.
What were Cape's last reads?
Taffy has a very good tonal game as wolf.
Their positioning does feel very good if wolf tho, which is different to how they were last time they wolfed against me.
But Taffy is also a smart cookie and could have picked that up.
If they do see something they find wolfy they push hard for it but it's not a guarantee. Taffy comes from my homesite so I have a lot of experience with them.
That being said I could 100% be off the mark on them as they've snowed me before.
So yes Visor was right but it was a narrow view off too little meta. If that makes sense.
I have no idea whether hk and boq are paired, that's not really what I was pointing out. Out of everything that hk's been accused of this game, that seemed to annoy them.
Also no idea what chainsaw means. If it's that the Renata post is a mess, then yeah. My main point on Renata is that, both EoDs look like someone who's concerned with how they're gonna be viewed in the aftermath of it all. If people don't see that, then I'm most likely wrong and Renata is just town.
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