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Andres

04-19-2009, 21:52

Don't forget, that once made, challenges cannot be withdrawn.

:bow:

White_eyes:D

04-19-2009, 21:54

Well it helped us win....:juggle2: I don't see how it was a blunder.....(your reveal hurt the usurpers...:smash:) And this time I must do it for honour:bow:

Askthepizzaguy

04-19-2009, 21:56

Whatever. Too late now.

I'll return when the game gets down to the final few and offer an opinion. :bow:

White_eyes:D

04-19-2009, 21:59

Odd's are you well win...:juggle2:

seireikhaan

04-19-2009, 22:17

<Sadako is sobbing uncontrollably, holding only the stem of a pineapple. She looks the Pineapple Samurai with red-rimmed, tear soaked eyes and snot running out of her nose.>

Oh P-Pine <sob> ap-ap-apple <sob> Samurai! What have I d-done?! I w-was hungr-gry and I ate <sob> ate you! Can you ev-ever for <sob>for <sob> for <sob> for <sob> for <sob and staggers from hyperventalating> forgive me?

<Wipes nose with the late Pineapple Samurai>
Fear not, my child, for I forgive you. I understand that I am indeed irresistibly tasty.

Khazaar

04-19-2009, 22:29

I really wanted to be in this one, too bad. And why did you have to cut me to pieces? Thats so uncalled for... oh well.

I´m available for replacements when neccessary, just PM me.

運命は、大胆な便宜

Gregoshi

04-19-2009, 22:29

I think you owe me for your blunder in the Settlement game, thanks. I mean, it's flattering to have a stalker, but maybe you can focus your attentions on a NEW person this time? Otherwise it's not as fun to join new games and get the same results.

The Late Pineapple Samurai and I agree with Atpg. :yes:

Atpg, if I may be so bold as to ask, should you fall in your duel, may I have the honour having your stem? I could then carry you with me and the Late Pineapple Samurai and we could right the wrongs in the land of Takeda for our great Lord Shingen! :bow:

And for you other "samurai", where is your honour? Three dead, my boots and hat missing - all by devilish means - and you desend upon each other like I did to the Late Pineapple Samurai. I see too much Bullshido and not enough Bushido! I...

Vote: Abstain!

...until I find my boots and can then properly weigh the evidence as to why they have become untied again!

<crosses arms defiantly>

Chimpyang

04-19-2009, 23:03

Vote : Abstain

Nobody's established a particuarly good case against anyone yet, it's funny how people have jumped straight into challenges. I'll check in tomorrow on how the thread has gone. Back to guard duty. :help:

Askthepizzaguy

04-19-2009, 23:04

I recommend more challenges be issued. :bow:

Jolt

04-19-2009, 23:04

Vote: Abstain

The Spartan (Returns)

04-19-2009, 23:32

The manner of which Ii Naomasa (Khazaar) died is familiar to me. Or, perhaps it may just be coincidence, but in the movie Flowers of Flesh and Blood, a samurai kidnaps a woman, sedates her (which the state she goes in is similar to being drunk), and cuts off her legs and arms, and finally decapitates her. Sick film, which was accused of being a snuff film, later to be found out that it was fake. Just my thoughts.

For now I Vote: The Spartan until more evidence arrives.

White_eyes:D

04-19-2009, 23:35

I am going to check it out.....does it have a M-18 label??:sweatdrop:

White_eyes:D

04-19-2009, 23:47

Hey Andres.....do the Mafia get to do there own write-ups?:juggle2:

Sasaki Kojiro

04-19-2009, 23:58

I recommend more challenges be issued. :bow:

FOS:Askthepizzaguy

Trying to help your odds out? Right now it's 50% chance you have to fight, you'd like to drop that to 25% eh?

FactionHeir

04-20-2009, 00:12

vote Chimpyang

Too much of an excuse to just post.

TinCow

04-20-2009, 00:14

Vote: ATPG

Husar

04-20-2009, 00:28

Hmm.

Vote: Tiberius Beskar

As I pointed out in my previous post, he was rather defensive when Sasaki casually raised suspicions on him. I don't really have anything against anyone else so far so that helps.

PershsNhpios

04-20-2009, 00:31

Indeed, Geisha kirred in night very bad omen for Takeda.

Tiberiush Beshkar is-eh set up by Sasaki, but I know this mean Sasaki not nesheshariry traitor!

ATPG is-eh very shtrange, but he not sheem guirty yet! Untir we have tarry for voting, I not add to messh of bord fonts.

LittleGrizzly

04-20-2009, 00:48

A Very Super Market

04-20-2009, 00:55

Urgh, Vote: Glenn for tasteless humour.

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 00:58

Tiberiush Beshkar...Sasaki
Glenn writes text slur on Tiberiush, uh, -us, but Sasaki is just Sasaki, not Shashaki. A sobering slip? Is he a samurai or a shamurai? Or...where the hell did my boots go?

For that matter, what of me? Am I a ninja or am I just plain nuts? Do I have nuts? I'll have to look into that. Am I pining for honour or just apples? Why is that ant staring at me? An ant? In winter? How unusual. If I'm just thinking of this, why are my lips moving and why can I hear my voice?
:thinking2:

The Spartan (Returns)

04-20-2009, 01:00

Unvote
Vote White eyes

For issuing pointless challenge... not that that makes him a traitor but i would rather lynch an unhelpful townie first round than either ATPG or Tiberius (who i don't really see a case against...)I see your point in lynching an unhelpful townie, but why would a mafiosi risk his own life and make a random challenge?

Beefy187

04-20-2009, 01:01

Three of the mafia regulers are now dead. Which naturally points to the mafia regulers of the gameroom.

Why....Why does ATPG smells soo fishy?

FOS: ATPG.... Possibly all the gameroom players

The Spartan (Returns)

04-20-2009, 01:06

Wat does FOS mean?

GeneralHankerchief

04-20-2009, 01:08

Challenge: ATPG

Vote: Beefy

Beefy187

04-20-2009, 01:08

Wat does FOS mean?

Fingers of suspecion. Its what we use when we think their guilty but not too sure about it.

@ GH

Do you seriously want to lynch me? In the 10th anniversary game? Why??

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 01:09

FOS: ATPG.... Possibly all the gameroom players

FOS? That is not in my samurai dictionary Beefy. Beefy....

<heads off to the (insert suitable 1500s Japanese term for Mess Hall here) , napkin in hand>

Beefy187

04-20-2009, 01:12

FOS? That is not in my samurai dictionary Beefy. Beefy....

<heads off to the (insert suitable 1500s Japanese term for Mess Hall here) , napkin in hand>

Bah.. Napkins soo 1800s.

How about a ~:)... Its what Japanese people do, when they are really on to something, or if they are completely lost.

Beskar

04-20-2009, 01:12

As I pointed out in my previous post, he was rather defensive when Sasaki casually raised suspicions on him. I don't really have anything against anyone else so far so that helps.

As a note, Sasaki didn't casually raise suspicions on me, he even said "prevote: TiberiusBeskar" before the game even started and he implied it was me numerous times before this defensive comment. He targetted me as his victim since the beginning, to try to make himself look clean.

Just clarifying with the truth. Also, I obviously don't want to die, hence be "defensive". Natural instinct, it would be suspicious if it was the opposite.

Caius

04-20-2009, 01:15

Challenge:TiberiusBeskar

If you do well, then you are an assasin.

EDIT: By the way, I think both geishas were assasinated. Acording to the writeup, which mentions the word kimono.

Beefy187

04-20-2009, 01:22

Challenge:TiberiusBeskar

If you do well, then you are an assasin.

EDIT: By the way, I think both geishas were assasinated. Acording to the writeup, which mentions the word kimono.

Nah Khazaar had a wakizashi, which iirc only the warriors carry around.

Also, it says Khazaar was male

Csargo

04-20-2009, 01:26

Vote: Sasaki

:tongue:

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 01:28

Bah.. Napkins soo 1800s.
They say I'm ahead of my time...or was it out of my mind?

Being a Japanese samurai-type and all that, I don't follow the latter comment "~:)..."? Am I supposed to be doing something I'm not aware of? Being a 100% All-American Japanese samurai is what I'm all about and my training and campaigning last year with Lord Shingen mentioned nothing of "~:)...". Oh, and tell me what it is via PM so we can rouse suspicion between us. ~;)

LittleGrizzly

04-20-2009, 01:33

There is nothing wrong with being defensive... I am always defensive in mafia games yet I am more often a regular townie than anything else..

I see your point in lynching an unhelpful townie, but why would a mafiosi risk his own life and make a random challenge?

I don't think he would, but it is important to note that mafia often have high duelling scores... so if WE was mafia he could likely survive a challenge...

My point was he probably isn't mafia but as far as im concerned he is being an unhelpful townie, there is absolutely nothing in my eyes to hint towards anybody's guilt at the moment... so what better lynch than an unhelpful tonwie for the first round...

and now GH has gone and challenged ATPG as well... care to explain yourself GH ?

FoS GH

Caius what if he has the same or a similar score to you... then he could win by the luck of the roll

and what if you are to win the challenge... by your logic surely if you do well and win then you are an assassin...

I don't think people have quite thought the challenges through...

In the absence of guilty mafia to pursue i will pursue those i believe to be unhelpful to the town, the people at the top of the list will be those issueing challenges for flimsy reasons or without reasoning at all....

Csargo

04-20-2009, 01:34

:thinking: Are you out of your mind? I must go think on it for a while.

That was directed at Gregoshi.

Caius

04-20-2009, 01:42

Caius what if he has the same or a similar score to you... then he could win by the luck of the roll

That's right. But luck favours the bold. And I'm the bald.

Reenk Roink

04-20-2009, 01:49

Vote: abstain, courteously :bow:

Master always said to respect tradition.

AggonyDuck

04-20-2009, 02:00

Vote: Ichigo

Caius

04-20-2009, 02:17

Vote:Abstain

Forgot to vote. I have to travel to other city, I will be tomorrow or tomorrow tomorrow.

The Spartan (Returns)

04-20-2009, 02:26

Caius. You're acting very strange. First a cheesy pun, next you have to be away for perhaps more than one day?

P.S. I refuse to use FOS, it sounds silly

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 02:37

:thinking: Are you out of your mind? I must go think on it for a while.

That was directed at Gregoshi.

What makes you think I'm out of my mind? The Late Lord Beefy <wipes grease from mouth> and Late Pineapple Samurai don't think I am.

Second, what must you think on? If it is the Great Boot Mystery, after much sole searching, I think I've solved that. So rest easy.

Northnovas

04-20-2009, 02:41

Urgh, Vote: Glenn for tasteless humour.

Agree!

Vote: Glenn

El Diablo

04-20-2009, 02:48

Vote abstain but watching like a hawk.

Reenk Roink

04-20-2009, 02:55

Whoever sends me a message saying hi first gets to be my Master (tell me who to vote for and who to challenge starting next round). :happyg:

edit: Got one. Thank you all who tried. :2thumbsup:

taka

04-20-2009, 03:03

vote: abstain

Csargo

04-20-2009, 03:14

I'm out of my mind

This. :inquisitive:

Edited to fit Ichigo's purpose.

Paradox

04-20-2009, 03:18

Vote: Abstain

Need some more time.

woad&fangs

04-20-2009, 03:29

:dizzy2:
The next person who abstains will taste my blade:brood:

PershsNhpios

04-20-2009, 03:35

Wait a moment!

People are actually writing paragraphs and discussing in the very first day!

Spiffin' marvellous!
Firstly, I can understand one person attacking me for making terrible jokes, but a second one can only do it out of a greater and less forgivable lust for blood.
I therefore challenge the man of one word;

Challenge: Northnovas

and once I have actually looked about the thread I will also vote.

It is interesting to note that Splitpersonality, a very new player and member, was killed on the first night.
I may be wrong, but I suspect that the ninjas may include a friend of his, such as Chaotix, (forgive me if he is not in this game).
Afterall, pevergreen and Beefy often target each other because they know one another.

Or it could simply be a veteran player being nasty to the new player and courteous to the other 'veterans'.

Ignoramus

04-20-2009, 03:40

Vote: Abstain.

I Challenge: woad&fangs.

woad&fangs

04-20-2009, 03:42

Nononono!!
I CHALLENGE YOU!!!

The Spartan (Returns)

04-20-2009, 03:43

Vote: Abstain.

I Challenge: woad&fangs.Whoa.. strange challenge choice. :inquisitive: Care to elaborate?

Iskander 3.1

04-20-2009, 03:45

Vote: Abstain at this time.

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 03:47

This. :inquisitive:
I thought as much, but you can't be too careful these days with ninjas and traitors about and boots running off to have a sandalous affair with half naked footwear. I am vigilant too. :candle:

woad&fangs

04-20-2009, 03:47

:bigcry:

edit: directed at Iksander

Sasaki Kojiro

04-20-2009, 03:49

Glenn and Ignoramus's challenges don't count...

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 03:59

It is interesting to note that Splitpersonality, a very new player and member, was killed on the first night.
Actually, Takayama Ukon (spL1tp3r50nal1ty) was an obvious choice as a two-fer at the very least - a new player, a new member and a split personality. That's at least four by my count. And he was a samurai veteran. That's five. How many ninjas are we up against?! :ahh:

PershsNhpios

04-20-2009, 04:01

Oh dear, I have misread the rules then.

If my challenge was incorrectly submitted, do consider it false and worthless, and I will be back shortly with a sensible beginning to my participation!

woad&fangs

04-20-2009, 04:02

I admire your courage Igno-san.:bow: It seems the time for challenges has passed. If you wish to challenge me tomorrow, I will not back down. However, you have cleared yourself in my eyes.

As for the rest of the abstainers:stwmean:

ajaxfetish

04-20-2009, 04:12

Part of me wants to just vote for Sasaki (after all, Ichigo's profile tells me to), since he can be so dangerous to play against. He's a master manipulator, and IIRC prefers mafia roles. However, unlike in Capo, there doesn't seem to be any provision in the rules for switching roles, and probability is in favor of him being a good guy. It would be a shame to lynch such a powerful player if he's a samurai or other pro-Takeda role.

Overall, I don't think there's sufficient information to properly condemn anyone yet, so for now I'll . . .

vote:abstain

If anyone can make a more compelling case against someone, or if my master Takeda Shingen commands otherwise, I'll change my vote.

Ajax

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 04:16

As for the rest of the abstainers:stwmean:
Abstinence is a form of protection from STDs (Stealthy, Traumatic Death) and what-not.

The blind monk listens before delivering his fatal blow. It may not be an enemy, but it is still freakin' awesome.

KukriKhan

04-20-2009, 04:39

Oh dear, I have misread the rules then.

If my challenge was incorrectly submitted, do consider it false and worthless, and I will be back shortly with a sensible beginning to my participation!

vote: Glenn

For playing hard and fast with the rules, which are simple enough, and making silly propagandistic 1940's-era stereotypical remarks previously.

glyphz

04-20-2009, 05:04

Vote: KukriKhan

...for posting before me.
(Day1 random vote ...the usual:bow:)

Seamus Fermanagh

04-20-2009, 05:14

Vote: Abstain

...leaning towards Tiberius, but I'm always a little reticent on D1.

As of post #312 (EDIT thru 314) inclusive, the tally is:

Askthepizzaguy = 2 (shlin, Tin)

Beefy = 1 (GH)

Chimpyang = 1 (FH)

Faction Heir = 1 (w&f)

Glenn = 3 (AVSM, Kukri, north)

Ichigo = 1 (Ducky)

Kukrikhan = 1 (glyphz)

NorthNovas = 1 (Glenn)

Sasaki = 3 (ichi, 'khaan, Tiberius)

The Spartan = 1 (Spartan)

Tiberius = 3 (Husar, Sasaki, W_E)

White_Eyes = 1 (Grizzly)

Abstentions = 11 (ajax, caius, chimp, gobble, greg, iggy, iskan, jolt, reenk, seamus, taka)

Someone please double check my tally.

LittleGrizzly

04-20-2009, 05:16

Im not sure i quite understand all these votes on Glenn for doing something some people find offensive...

If a poster does something offensive or against the rules... complain...

All these votes for Glenn seem to based off his bad impression, this is not a reason to vote for someone... we are looking for mafia and not people who make fun of other country's accents...

Some people seem to be just going for a cheap lynch...

FoS people voting Glenn

I actually found it kind of funny... or has having fun with people's accents suddenly become racist ?

Feel free to mock the Welsh accent (which is the accent i have) me and my friends often do it ourselves and laugh when someone pronounces something in a very welshy way...

glyphz

04-20-2009, 05:34

Current Tally (revised version of Seamus':bow:)
*Glenn tried to challenge Northnovas rather than voting for him.

Glenn = 3 (A Very Super Market, Kukri, Northnovas)
Sasaki Kojiro = 3 (Ichigo, 'khaan, TB)
TiberiusBeskar = 3 (Husar, Sasaki, We:D)

Askthepizzaguy = 2 (shlin28, TinCow)

Beefy187 = 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
Chimpyang = 1 (FH)
FactionHeir = 1 (woad&fangs)
Ichigo = 1 (AggonyDuck)
Kukrikhan = 1 (glyphz)
The Spartan = 1 (Spartan)
White_Eyes:D = 1 (LittleGrizzly)

Abstained = 11 (ajaxfetish, caius, chimpy, gobble, gregoshi, ignoramus, iskander iii, jolt, reenk roink, seamus fermanagh, taka)
'Undecided' = 32 (:helloo:)

Challenges:
Sasaki Kojiro - Ibn-Khaldun
White_eyes:D - Askthepizzaguy
GeneralHankerchief - Askthepizzaguy
Caius - TiberiusBeskar

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 05:35

Point taken LG, but someone is getting lynched even if we all abstain and lacking any real evidence, it is necessary to manufacture a reason for another to take the fall, flimsy as it may be. I'd vote for those hussy sandals that my boots fell in love with if it was legal in the game.

Lest my comments directed at Glenn be misconstrued, I took the "accent" as Glenn being drunk on sake, hence the slurring of the "S". The slur pun I made was "drunken slur" contrasted with a "slur of character" against Tiberius. A "racial slur" didn't even enter my mind (what there is of it).

A Very Super Market

04-20-2009, 05:42

No, it was mostly because he sounded exactly like a WWII-era propaganda flick, with the "l"s replaced by "r"s.

Askthepizzaguy

04-20-2009, 06:12

I am so popular! Votes, and 2 challenges. :grin:

Pointless to defend myself, so let it come. I die not for myself, but for you. :bow:

LittleGrizzly

04-20-2009, 06:15

It is simply because of your legendary warrior status... people either want to remove someone they fear... or make themselves famous by dying at the sword of the legendary ATPG!

Askthepizzaguy

04-20-2009, 06:17

It is simply because of your legendary warrior status... people either want to remove someone they fear... or make themselves famous by dying at the sword of the legendary ATPG!

LOL

I won't be legendary after today. I'll be "nameless dead samurai number one"

Crazed Rabbit

04-20-2009, 06:31

vote:TiberiusBeskar

Acting odd. He does seem to be role fishing. Given the rigid nature of alliances, it's suspicious.

CR

pevergreen

04-20-2009, 06:51

Vote: Strawberry

Beefy187

04-20-2009, 06:54

No, it was mostly because he sounded exactly like a WWII-era propaganda flick, with the "l"s replaced by "r"s.

I thought he was acting drunk :juggle2:

Haudegen

04-20-2009, 07:19

Hmm,

I think some people are too happy to enter challenges. Given that winning a duel increases the power, I´d think it´s a viable mafia strategy to bolster up their duelling ability by beating up some samurais and then challenge Lord Takeda himself.

FoS on people who issue challenges for minor reasons.

My vote goes to Ibn-Khaldun, though. Because I think he was actively seeking the duel with Sasaki.

Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

Csargo

04-20-2009, 08:20

Vote: Strawberry

:mean:

I thought Glenn was just acting drunk...

Quintus.JC

04-20-2009, 08:47

Vote: Abstain

Day 1

CountArach

04-20-2009, 09:01

CountArach

04-20-2009, 09:09

After reading the thread (Yes, in 8 minutes... apparently) I'm not entirely sure what this argument against ATPG is. I agree he is a very dangerous scum to keep around, but I don't see what evidence there is. Admittedly, the whole "We need more challenges" does seem kind of weird to suggest, especially without any real reasoning, but I'm not sure if that is grounds for lynching.

pevergreen

04-20-2009, 09:13

Its ok Ichigo.
:smitten:

Beskar

04-20-2009, 09:30

Note to self: Don't ever mention anything about roles before the game has even started where it is impossible for you to know. Others try to pin things on you when you done nothing wrong to try to make themselves look clean.

I will only find out after the game, but I bet Mafia-roles voted for me. I can put money on it. :no:

*Crosses fingers that some one has a special ability like the Doctor-role to save the poor innocent me.*

LittleGrizzly

04-20-2009, 09:44

Can I just say how great our 3 possible lynchs are...

Tib for things he said before he recieved his role.... he was talking like someone who was about to recieve a mafia role obviously...

Glenn for the accent... or being pished...

Or ATPG because.... well he's ATPG... he did then make a comment about wanting more people to challenge... but that could be purely self preservation... which isn't nessecarily scummy...

Beskar

04-20-2009, 09:54

Problem is, I am dreading those who don't understand sarcasm. Like a comment when some one painted a bulleyes on themselves and me going "I wonder what your role is..." = means "role-fishing" is retarded.

pevergreen

04-20-2009, 09:57

Lynch ATPG.

Unvote:...wait naaah.

Death is yonder

04-20-2009, 10:00

Vote: Abstain

:stwmean:Master says it is bad to lynch on day 1 simply because of randomness, but master also says voting those who behave suspiciously with good evidence is fine.

Beskar

04-20-2009, 10:01

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo
ATPG 3 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
woad&fangs 1 CountArach

Abstain 17
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder
Beaver
Louis VI the Fat

Csargo

04-20-2009, 10:58

*accidently posted, feel free to delete*

What was here before you edited Tiberius?

pever your not making much sense. :dizzy2:

pevergreen

04-20-2009, 11:12

I should probably start making some, or i'll get round one lynched.

Again. :stare:

Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: ATPG
Sorry mate, this game is going to be big enough, I dont want to wade through 5 pages of ATPG. :grin2:

Beskar

04-20-2009, 11:16

@Ichigo:
Accident:double posted. I turned it into a table of current score now. I would be lying if I said I want people who haven't voted to vote for those with the three votes and not me, so I can actually have a chance to surrive this round and not get lynched for stupid reasons. I would like to get mafia-killed or lynched near the end, so at least I am here for the juicy bits.

@pevergreen:
Just added your change to the table. Just for reference

Chimpyang

04-20-2009, 11:19

vote Chimpyang

Too much of an excuse to just post.

I'm sorry, whaaaat?

That sounds like an excuse to get a vote in for someone. Thus avoiding the FoS from simpy abstaining and also from WoG.

Unvote : Abstain
Vote : FactionHeir

Csargo

04-20-2009, 11:26

Beskar

04-20-2009, 11:29

Tabbed browsing and short-term memory. I would have just pressed "delete post" as usually, you can do that on forums if you do it within a minute or when no one has replied, so would have removed it.

Captain Blackadder

04-20-2009, 11:29

Vote Abstain there are way too many players for me to see with any confidance a lynch target.

Csargo

04-20-2009, 11:31

Tabbed browsing and short-term memory. I would have just pressed "delete post" as usually, you can do that on forums if you do it within a minute or when no one has replied, so would have removed it.

Okay.

Vote Abstain there are way too many players for me to see with any confidance a lynch target.

What do you think about Tiberius? Or Glenn?

Louis VI the Fat

04-20-2009, 11:48

Killed (3):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter

:bow:Two innocents(?). One geisha (Lord Winter). Hmmm...

The geisha is troubling. Killing a geisha on night one seems no mere luck. Lord Winter, is there anything you can tell us? Has anybody with knowledge about LW's role shared anything to anybody?

The two (presumed) innocent samurais - why were they picked? Some thoughts:

The 'mafia' are experienced. They would choose not to kill the best mafia hunters, these will be protected. So the choice targets would be experienced players without absolute leet-skillz.
I don't play a lot of mafia. Are Khazaar and spL1tp3r50nal1ty known players? If they are, this would point to a particular reason for their kill, instead of mere randomness. Why were they targeted?

Or, scenario two, the 'mafia' are unexperienced. So they chose their targets either at random, or because they know them. Either from other mafia games, or from other .org activities. Khazaar and spL1tp3r50nal1ty, do either of you have some suspicion? Does anybody know whom Khazaar and spL1tp3r50nal1ty hang out with?
Did you talk to anybody?

I have no particular FoS or vote. As of yet.

Vote: abstain.

Please update and then copy-past the tally when you make a vote. In a huge mafia game, it helps to make the game much more manageable for other players.

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo
ATPG 3 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
woad&fangs 1 CountArach

Abstain 15

Louis VI the Fat
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder

Beaver

04-20-2009, 11:58

Vote: Abstain as there's really nothing to go on.

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo
ATPG 3 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
woad&fangs 1 CountArach

Abstain 16

Beaver
Louis VI the Fat
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder

Reenk Roink

04-20-2009, 12:03

Master has told me to exalt his name publicly. I humbly serve my sensei LittleGrizzly. :bow:

Khazaar

04-20-2009, 12:10

Csargo

04-20-2009, 12:10

Chimpyang

04-20-2009, 12:12

Random.org says Vote: woad&fangs

I have 3 pages of reading to do now, which I shall get to right away. If anything catches my eye I'll comment.

And after the recent affair where scum was lynched day 1 I will remind people that abstaining on day 1 is a bad idea.

Plus, our master - the one defined "good guy" has called upon us to vote. Use the abstain as a holder - but vote! Now try to picture that in a non-infomercial way.

TinCow

04-20-2009, 12:13

I think some people are too happy to enter challenges. Given that winning a duel increases the power, I´d think it´s a viable mafia strategy to bolster up their duelling ability by beating up some samurais and then challenge Lord Takeda himself.

Really? Care to explain how you know that, given the rules say nothing about it...

II. Duel System.

During the day phase, next to voting, you also have the opportunity to challenge another player to a duel.

If you wish to challenge another player, then you have to do so in this format:

Challenge: Andres

Challenged do not need to be accepted and they cannot be withdrawn; so if A challenges B, then the A vs. B duel will be put on the list of challenges of that given round.

Only the first 4 challenges will be considered. The host will use random.org to pick one of the enlisted challenges.

A player can only challenge one other player each round. Being challenged however, does not mean that you cannot challenge yourself.

To make it clear: A challenges B. A vs. B will be put on the challenge list. A can no longer challenge another player until the next round. B however can still challenge any other player, including A.

The duels will be narrated at the end of the night write-up (the duels take place at the hour of the Rabbit (sunrise), before the new round of voting starts).

The duels are fought to the dead. However, it is technically possible for the duel to end in a draw. If such is the case, either both combattants will die or both will survive.

Every role will get a battle rating that will determine how good your role is at duelling. The outcome of the duel will be decided by rolling dice and luck is involved; which means that even the most insignificant samurai stands a change to defeat a master.

- this duel system was inspired by the Midgard Saga I & II, by Sigurd to whom I owe a very big thank you for sending me his excel sheet

Reenk Roink

04-20-2009, 12:14

Really? Care to explain how you know that, given the rules say nothing about it...

II. Duel System.

During the day phase, next to voting, you also have the opportunity to challenge another player to a duel.

If you wish to challenge another player, then you have to do so in this format:

Challenge: Andres

Challenged do not need to be accepted and they cannot be withdrawn; so if A challenges B, then the A vs. B duel will be put on the list of challenges of that given round.

Only the first 4 challenges will be considered. The host will use random.org to pick one of the enlisted challenges.

A player can only challenge one other player each round. Being challenged however, does not mean that you cannot challenge yourself.

To make it clear: A challenges B. A vs. B will be put on the challenge list. A can no longer challenge another player until the next round. B however can still challenge any other player, including A.

The duels will be narrated at the end of the night write-up (the duels take place at the hour of the Rabbit (sunrise), before the new round of voting starts).

The duels are fought to the dead. However, it is technically possible for the duel to end in a draw. If such is the case, either both combattants will die or both will survive.

Every role will get a battle rating that will determine how good your role is at duelling. The outcome of the duel will be decided by rolling dice and luck is involved; which means that even the most insignificant samurai stands a change to defeat a master.

- this duel system was inspired by the Midgard Saga I & II, by Sigurd to whom I owe a very big thank you for sending me his excel sheet

It was based closely off Sigurd's system (more closely than mine) and Andres confirmed.

edit: actually, maybe not... :shrug: I think it it still will though

Chimpyang

04-20-2009, 12:14

Yes, that is possible.
Originally Posted by The Spartan (Returns) View Post
If you defeat someone with a higher battle rating, is it possible for your own rating to increase?

Given that response - but then they'd need to challenge known betters.

Beskar

04-20-2009, 12:16

Remember rule 1 and rule 45 -

1. Always vote for Sasaki
45. If mafia, don't kill Sasaki. He's probably on your side, somehow.

That means, Sasaki is Mafia and people who don't vote for him are Mafia.

Louis VI the Fat

04-20-2009, 12:17

Csargo

04-20-2009, 12:19

Louis your link leads me no where.

CountArach

04-20-2009, 12:21

Why do people persist with abstaining in the first round? We have gotten lucky in the past with a random lynch, who is to say it will not happen again? A complete lack of conversation just lets the mafia win. Voting absatin leads to a lack of conversation. Ergo, voting abstain lets the mafia win.

TinCow

04-20-2009, 12:21

It was based closely off Sigurd's system (more closely than mine) and Andres confirmed.

edit: actually, maybe not... :shrug: I think it it still will though

I have read through every single post Andres has made. He made no comment about a victorious duel increasing someone's battle rating. While that did indeed happen in Midgard, and Andres has said that the duels were "inspired" by Midgard, that's a relatively weak assumption to make at this point. Haudegen's comment seemed very definite, which would indicate an alternate source for that information than this thread.

Beaver

04-20-2009, 12:21

There's a write-up and about 7 pages of posts. What more do you need?

You're right, there's lots of info. I just don't know who to vote for. Bad wording from my side I guess.

Chimpyang

04-20-2009, 12:23

Andres noted to the Spartan that if you defeat a better opponent - there is a chance for BR to increase - but it would be a huge risk for the 'mafia' to take, when they are guarenteed kills during the night.

Also, I'm turning my visibility back on. Since in this game you can't "go bad", the only people who would need it to lurk and observe are the mafia. I encourage others to turn this back on so we can monitor who is lurking better.

TinCow

04-20-2009, 12:25

Csargo

04-20-2009, 12:27

I have read through every single post Andres has made. He made no comment about a victorious duel increasing someone's battle rating. While that did indeed happen in Midgard, and Andres has said that the duels were "inspired" by Midgard, that's a relatively weak assumption to make at this point. Haudegen's comment seemed very definite, which would indicate an alternate source for that information than this thread.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2214566&postcount=220

Though it's not exactly what Haudagen posted he probably just generalized it assuming it is for all duels.

Chimpyang

04-20-2009, 12:27

It's on page 8 of the thread. I'll be back on later to see if anyhting changes.

TinCow

04-20-2009, 12:28

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2214566&postcount=220

Though it's not exactly what Haudagen posted he probably just generalized it assuming it is for all duels.

Many thanks. :bow:

Csargo

04-20-2009, 12:38

Not a problem, I was curious about it as well. :grin:

Louis VI the Fat

04-20-2009, 12:40

Unless the 'mafia' knows something that we don't, I'd say that dueling is too much of a risk for them. They'd have to be pretty certain of a win to risk it.

I suspect mafia to be either players who do not risk duelling. Or players who risk a lot of duelling. Who habitually 'pick fights', for one reason or another. Perhaps as some sort of means of building leet killing skillz, or as special role requirements. Lord* only knows what dangers are lurking in hidden roles.

*Otherwise known as the beermeister, geishagaijin, or simply Andres.

Louis your link leads me no where.It should lead to a page with Khazaar's posts. The link works for me. If it doesn't, just click on Khazaar's name and look for something that says 'see all posts by Khazaar'. The main point is that he didn't post anything in this thread to make him particularly killworthy.

Beskar

04-20-2009, 12:46

I wonder if I could request Seppoku instead of being lynched. If I get voted out.

Andres

04-20-2009, 12:48

I wonder if I could request Seppoku instead of being lynched. If I get voted out.

I will only allow suicide for RL issues.

Suiciding because you are going to get lynched is usually seen as a gamebreaker. Sorry.

LittleGrizzly

04-20-2009, 12:48

I have acquired Reenk Roink as a recruit in the hope that I may serve my Lord Takeda in the best way possible... he has put his vote and his right to challenge in my hands, I have decided he shall remain on his abstain vote (can't break tradition) but from the next go onwards he shall be doubling up my vote...

We will discuss his dueling skill and wait for a suitable opponent to become clear before challenging, the great warrior Reenk Roink should not die in some random battle but in the fight for our might Lord Takeda!

Beskar

04-20-2009, 12:53

Suiciding because you are going to get lynched is usually seen as a gamebreaker. Sorry.

No, no, I don't mean that Andres, my apologises. I meant it as a method of death at the lynch write-up, so if you are getting lynched, and it is confirmed, in your write-up, you could put it on that the lord commanded me to commit Seppoku to prove my innocence or whatever, and that could be my exit from the game via the write up.

Not saying I am suiciding because I am going to get lynched. Afterall, there is still a chance I won't die yet.

pevergreen

04-20-2009, 12:53

LG is mafia

Andres

04-20-2009, 12:55

No, no, I don't mean that Andres. I meant it as a method of death at the lynch write-up, so if you are getting lynched, and it is confirmed, in your write-up, you could put it on that the lord commanded me to commit Seppoku to prove my innocence or whatever, and that could be my exit from the game via the write up.

Not saying I am suiciding because I am going to get lynched. Afterall, there is still a chance I won't die yet.

Generally speaking, if you are about to get lynched, you can have some input in your own dead scene (just pm me the general outline).

However, I do reserve the right to have some good laughs at the expense of your character, muahahahahato write my own, creative and brilliant write-up.

:bow:

Csargo

04-20-2009, 12:56

LG is mafia

How do you know?

Reenk Roink

04-20-2009, 12:59

LG is mafia

What kind of dojo taught such manners? :stwmean: Master is honorable and never to be questioned.

LittleGrizzly

04-20-2009, 13:01

LG is mafia

Damn thought i was hiding it so well as well....

Was it my lurking that gave me away ?

Or my reasonless lynch choice ?

Or the post where i specifically stated i was mafia ?

Askthepizzaguy

04-20-2009, 13:12

After reading the thread (Yes, in 8 minutes... apparently) I'm not entirely sure what this argument against ATPG is.

I'm ever so very dangerous, apparently. And too talkative:
Andres 33
Gregoshi 25
TiberiusBeskar 19
Sasaki Kojiro 17
Askthepizzaguy 15

Or ATPG because.... well he's ATPG... he did then make a comment about wanting more people to challenge... but that could be purely self preservation... which isn't nessecarily scummy...

No, let's get ATPG because he's not necessarily scummy; which, we've learned, means he's always scum.

Lynch ATPG.

Unvote:...wait naaah.

*yawn*

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo
ATPG 3 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen

Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: ATPG
Sorry mate, this game is going to be big enough, I dont want to wade through 5 pages of ATPG. :grin2:
Ok.
Andres 33
Gregoshi 25
TiberiusBeskar 19
Sasaki Kojiro 17
Askthepizzaguy 15

Or not. Captain Blackadder, Beefy, ATPG, Thermal Mercury - what say you to your names having been being mentioned?

I'm a good first round lynch because I eat pizza, not sushi.

Louis VI the Fat

04-20-2009, 13:12

On gut instinct, I say that TiberiusBeskar is not mafia. He's not behaving as mafia about to go down.

Vote: LittleGrizzly.

And if I don't hear a good explanation, I'll also challenge Reenk Roink before the sun makes the lotus bloom tomorrow.

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo
ATPG 3 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

LittleGrizzly 1 Louis VI the Fat
Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
woad&fangs 1 CountArach

Abstain 15

Beaver
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder

Beskar

04-20-2009, 13:15

Generally speaking, if you are about to get lynched, you can have some input in your own dead scene (just pm me the general outline).

However, I do reserve the right to have some good laughs at the expense of your character, muahahahahato write my own, creative and brilliant write-up.

:bow:

No problems. In a way, I would like my poor little Yoshi-san to commit Seppoku to keep his honour as he is a poor guy who fell asleep under a plum tree with a strawhat on with Sasaki slithering around, though I don't think he would actually do that. He would probably try to escape before he is hunted, and some how like a stereotypical kungfu movie, try to find the real person responsible because he would be annoyed is the one that got painted as being the bad guy.

Chimpyang

04-20-2009, 13:17

There's a good 6 hours for the other half of the players to vote still - you're ahead by 1 vote....why so resigned?

Death is yonder

04-20-2009, 13:21

There's a write-up and about 7 pages of posts. What more do you need?

Conclusive evidence :bow:.
:stwmean:Master says it is all I have to rely on as I am unsure with people's behavioral changes considering I'm a new player... perhaps some of you mafia vets can explain why the suspects behaviors are suspicious.

Beskar

04-20-2009, 13:23

There's a good 6 hours for the other half of the players to vote still - you're ahead by 1 vote....why so resigned?

I am not an optimist at this stage of the game. :p

As for the table, here is the latest -

ATPG 4 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen, CountArach
TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
LittleGrizzly 1 Louis VI the Fat

Abstain 16
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder
Beaver

Chimpyang

04-20-2009, 13:29

I'm not a particuarly 'seasoned' player but here's my take as of right now.
ATPG is being voted for via a mix of gut instincts and half serious votes : which i expect to change to someone else if anything pops up.

Glenn - well is Glenn - read the CDTC II thread for abit and you realise how even when he had a pro town role - everyone rammed it into him considerably. Again, there's no solid evidence apart from a 'drunk' introduction - which means only one thing : his character is a drunkard! Maybe the secret role is the drunken martial art expert you see in a fair few films!

Tiberius is under the suspicion of "role fishing" - the idea is that mafia/anyone (associated with mafia though) try and find conclusive evidence as to assign people to roles - especially important are the 3 protectors of 'our lord', the geishas and the 3 mafia. This way, you can either fake your own role more effectively or lead out targets.

Sasaki is as always - unafraid of commotion and confrontation in the game thread. The early "prevoting" of Tiberius (based on Sasaki's own accusation of Tiberisu role fishing) attracted votes - also I believe one of hte votes is due to the unnecessary emoticons added to the accusatory post.

I think that sums up the main contenders.

I voted Factionheir - claiming my vote made no sense is not particuarly a good reason for me being scum so counter vote for reasons i summed up before.

Csargo

04-20-2009, 13:38

Conclusive evidence :bow:.

No such thing.

Beskar

04-20-2009, 13:38

Conclusive evidence :bow:.
:stwmean:Master says it is all I have to rely on as I am unsure with people's behavioral changes considering I'm a new player... perhaps some of you mafia vets can explain why the suspects behaviors are suspicious.

Admittedly, I only played Mafia on Warcraft 3 and in Real life. (Biggest difference, no chat-log)

There are a few unwritten rules from what I noticed in the forum version -

1) Never comment on peoples roles, even if in a joking or sarcastic manner and before the game has even started, this means you are the Mafia member. Mafia members always post their suspicions on a public forum before the game starts opposed to private message between other Mafia members during the game. (applies to Tiberius)

2) Defending yourself means you are a Mafia member. Regardless of being an innocent and on the first-turn of the game, you have to sacrifice yourself without hassle. Wanting to stay in the game for enjoyment even as an innocent is wrong. (applies toTiberius)

3) Picking out a person before the game began and setting them up, twisting their comments to make them look bad because you are a Mafia member and trying to shift blame from yourself, is not a suspicious activity, (applies to Sasaki)

4) Playing on racial stereotypes will get you lynched faster than a politically incorrect comparison that would not be allowed to be posted here. (applies to Glenn)

5) Voting Abstain means you are not a Mafia member. (applies to all those voting abstain)

To be continued...

FactionHeir

04-20-2009, 13:40

I am pleasantly surprised that my vote and associated comment on you made you post like a waterfall. Where to take this will be seen at a later stage.

For the moment, it is my opinion that ATPG is a bit out of character in this game avoiding to get killed rather than actively contributing to his demise. This suggests he has a role. Question is, whether its pro or anti town.

As a side note, Tiberius is probably innocent. I would guess 97% chance.

TinCow

04-20-2009, 13:44

When in doubt, vote ATPG. It's always the right move.

Askthepizzaguy

04-20-2009, 13:48

For the moment, it is my opinion that ATPG is a bit out of character in this game avoiding to get killed rather than actively contributing to his demise. This suggests he has a role. Question is, whether its pro or anti town.

Nah, just really like to be able to vote for people I find suspicious. However, I am not a role worth saving. There are occasions where I'd prefer to play the game rather than watch from afar, that's all.

When in doubt, vote ATPG. It's always the right move.

Meh. I could say the same for you.

Olavi

04-20-2009, 13:52

I'll abstain until I've read all posts.

vote: abstain

CountArach

04-20-2009, 14:06

Meh. I could say the same for you.
That seems awfully submissive ATPG... Not at all what I have come to expect from you.

Unvote: w&f
Vote: ATPG

I still don't buy the other arguments against him, but this is better than nothing.

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit
ATPG 4 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen, CountArach

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
LittleGrizzly 1 Louis VI the Fat

Abstain 17
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder
Beaver
Olavi

Death is yonder

04-20-2009, 14:08

No such thing.

Well... not yet!
:laugh4::laugh4:
:laugh4::laugh4:

Beskar

04-20-2009, 14:08

I got 50% chance of surviving now (I think). Thanks CountArch :D

Csargo

04-20-2009, 14:12

Well... not yet!
:laugh4::laugh4:
:laugh4::laugh4:

Not really ever. :shrug:

Askthepizzaguy

04-20-2009, 14:13

That seems awfully submissive ATPG... Not at all what I have come to expect from you.

Yes, my lord. As you wish. I follow your command.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

As you may have noticed in the above write-up, the gods of random.org, in their wisdom, have given the role of Takeda Shingen to CountArach. Obviously, you cannot vote for Lord Takeda Shingen. Any vote for CountArach will not be counted.

Beskar

04-20-2009, 14:17

Page 14 Table List (will be updated until turn is over/page 15)

ATPG 5 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen, CountArach, Askthepizzaguy

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Hauegen 1 Iba-Khaldun
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
LittleGrizzly 1 Louis VI the Fat
shlin28 1 Psychonaut
Louis VI the Fat 1 Yoyoma1910

Abstain 19
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder
Beaver
Yaropolk
atheotes
Olavi

Yaropolk

04-20-2009, 14:18

Shinohara Yuuko arrives late to the gathering due to weekend galavanting and retires to his tent to read the scrolls on events of days past. I'll probably have to serve extra guard duty for this later.

for now Vote: Abstain

naut

04-20-2009, 14:25

Vote: shlin28

Random.org commands it.

Beefy187

04-20-2009, 14:31

Well, good theories really. First off I posted my character name (stupid!)who isn´t random at all but a real Samurai. That might have been cause to take me out which would point to someone very observant/knowledgable about japan history. Ii Naomasa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ii_Naomasa
Otherwise I come from the totalwar.net site and I´m not really experienced. Players that I remember are Captain Blackadder, Beefy, ATPG, Thermal Mercury.

Obviously this could be used to lead people off track but anyway. Use this info as you like...

Yup. I think we are thinking in the same way. No offence but you don't strike me as a high profile player. If I am correct to assume that all three kills were from the same hostile family, two things are strange.

One because all three dead players are mafia regulers in gameroom (Split is new, Khazaar is recently from TWC) and Lord Winter. All of them are not really a populer kill target in night one, suggesting that either the mafia gang is just picking random targets or trying to give the non regulers some chance to get active on mafia.

I may do just that, I'm opposed to killing new commers on earlier rounds. Plus killing Khazaar naturally points at TWC players including my self.

I think theres a good chance of mafia being in those four.

Anyways, for those who are making assumptions that lynching ATPG is the only way to silence him. Thats a big mistake. If ATPG turns out to be innocent, we will have to swim through 10 post of ATPG per page! Not that I have any problems with that.

Ibn-Khaldun

04-20-2009, 14:38

Vote: Haudegen

Don't play with fire...

Anyways, for those who are making assumptions that lynching ATPG is the only way to silence him. Thats a big mistake. If ATPG turns out to be innocent, we will have to swim through 10 post of ATPG per page! Not that I have any problems with that.

I had problems going through 5 pages but if there would be another 10 pages per day then....:wall:

Askthepizzaguy

04-20-2009, 14:44

Anyways, for those who are making assumptions that lynching ATPG is the only way to silence him. Thats a big mistake. If ATPG turns out to be innocent, we will have to swim through 10 post of ATPG per page! Not that I have any problems with that.

He knows me only too well... :mellow:

Actually, I was going to be quieter this game and wait until the ending to make noise. But it seems with my death, I will be even quieter. If this pleases Lord Takeda Shingen, then I have done my duty.

When this voting phase has ended, if I am the chosen one to die, I would like to die by committing seppuku (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Seppuku-2.jpg). It is what I have always dreamed of, if honorable battle is not to be had. :bow:

Beefy187

04-20-2009, 14:49

He knows me only too well... :mellow:

Actually, I was going to be quieter this game and wait until the ending to make noise. But it seems with my death, I will be even quieter. If this pleases Lord Takeda Shingen, then I have done my duty.

When this voting phase has ended, if I am the chosen one to die, I would like to die by committing seppuku (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Seppuku-2.jpg). It is what I have always dreamed of, if honorable battle is not to be had. :bow:

You giving up on round 1 is mighty scummy. Real warrior fights until their fate is sealed. You voted for your self but your only on lead with one or two votes :smash:

atheotes

04-20-2009, 14:55

Vote: Abstain

I am still getting my head around the game :embarassed:, and dont want to choose someone randomly without understanding... so will leave it as a place holder for now and see if i can decide on a vote before the sun sets :juggle2:

Chimpyang

04-20-2009, 14:56

I am pleasantly surprised that my vote and associated comment on you made you post like a waterfall. Where to take this will be seen at a later stage.

Indeed it shall...:7detective:

Note however, only 1 post other than changing my vote was about you. The rest was involved in conversation about suspicious behaviour.

Haudegen

04-20-2009, 15:14

Vote: Haudegen

Don't play with fire...

Blatant retaliation vote if there ever was one ... :no:

Why so aggressive?

LittleGrizzly

04-20-2009, 15:24

The honourable warrior seems to be targetted for his talkativeness and his unfortunate habit of offering himself as a first round lynch (it catches up with you eventually)

Great warrior ATPG, take your vote of yourself, and hopefully you may have the chance to die like a true warrior in battle instead!!

Bear in mind ATPG is in 2 of the 4? challenges, so theres a 50% chance we get to see ATPG fighting anyway...

though i don't like the tib lynch either... he said things before the roles were given out!

Glenn was drunk... and obvious sign of mafia...?

Sasaki... *sigh* always in the first round lynch list somewhere near the top...

My lynch is obviously the only good one ~;)

Yoyoma1910

04-20-2009, 15:30

Upon the branches
Blossoms dance vigilantly
But see not the wind.

Yoyoma1910

04-20-2009, 15:31

Winter swims silent
And brings with it a blanket
Vote:Louis the Fat

Sasaki Kojiro

04-20-2009, 15:56

Askthepizzaguy

04-20-2009, 15:59

You giving up on round 1 is mighty scummy. Real warrior fights until their fate is sealed. You voted for your self but your only on lead with one or two votes :smash:

Pardon? Lord Takeda Shingen wants me dead. That is not "giving up" that is FOLLOWING ORDERS!!!

*takes out his samurai blade*

YOU ARE THE TRAITOR HERE!!!

Challenge: Beefy187

shlin28

04-20-2009, 16:59

Askthepizzaguy

04-20-2009, 17:08

A true Samurai would welcom the challenge of fighting against honourable foes in a noble duel - clearky ATPG's attempt to worm his way out of such a thing shows his lack of courage at best, and despicable lack of honour, and hence must not be a true Samurai, at worst.

:bow:

*The veteran walks away to look at the beautiful mountain scenery outside the hall in which they are gathered*

No true Scotsman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman) argument. And by the way, under orders from my master, I am prepared to die; and I have challenged a cowardly traitor here. It is you who know nothing of the ways of the samurai, if you cannot see this. When my master destroys you, he will do the world a service.

shlin28

04-20-2009, 17:16

What is a "Scotsman"? Mind explaining to a poor grizzled warrior what it is? :embarassed:

Dutch_guy

04-20-2009, 17:18

I'd be willing to give tib a pass for remaining cool under pressure...but to do so would possibly underestimate him, and ignores the fact that if he were mafia he would have several people who could bail him out.

You may call the case weak if you want, but we have to make the best case we can each round with the info available.

Let's not forget there is no case in the first round, we seldom have any information to go on unless a detective get's lucky - which is unlikely in such a big game.

Although, ATPG, I don't understand why you'd want to challenge a player so early on in the game ? Surely this is playing with fire ?

:balloon2:

TinCow

04-20-2009, 17:29

Although, ATPG, I don't understand why you'd want to challenge a player so early on in the game ? Surely this is playing with fire ?

When ATPG gets votes, he often goes through motions like this in an attempt to convince people he's innocent. I bet if you looked back at his previous games, you'd find that in the majority of rounds when he's under pressure, he ends up voting for himself (and usually later unvoting). It's an usual method of playing and has gotten him lynched multiple times, but it's standard for ATPG.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-20-2009, 17:30

Sasaki Kojiro

04-20-2009, 17:36

When ATPG gets votes, he often goes through motions like this in an attempt to convince people he's innocent. I bet if you looked back at his previous games, you'd find that in the majority of rounds when he's under pressure, he ends up voting for himself (and usually later unvoting). It's an usual method of playing and has gotten him lynched multiple times, but it's standard for ATPG.

No no see, he doesn't change his vote off himself willingly, but only when "dozens of people" have urged him privately to do so. :smash:

ULC

04-20-2009, 17:39

"Hmph, what madness is this?! Look at you all, calling yourselves warriors! At each others throats, when you forget we are brothers, both on and off the battlefield! We are meant to hang together, not let paranoia engulf us!

I Vote:TiberiusBeskar

My vote will always be to abstain or to insure a tie - I will not have blood spilled for such foolishness, only in battle shall it be so!"

GeneralHankerchief

04-20-2009, 17:39

I'd say about 50% of the valid challenges so far involve ATPG. I think we should lay the votes off him and wait to see how he performs in a duel.

Beskar

04-20-2009, 17:44

Since The Pizza Guy wants to leave, even voting for himself, I will respect his wishes to do so.

Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Hope to see you in another game. :beam:

Reenk Roink

04-20-2009, 17:44

I have to go play Shogun now. :2thumbsup:

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 17:58

Interesting tactic gents. :bow: I'll be interested in seeing what it generates.
He got that idea from me! But I am stronger as I have the tastily dead Late Pineapple Samurai <holds aloft the pineapple stem> and the deliciously dead Late Lord Beefy <holds aloft the beef bone> at my side.

Let us not forget we have ninja and traitors - they have the same goal perhaps but my companions are at odds over the alliance of said ne'er do wells. Pineapple thinks they work apart, the right hand ignorant of the left hand. Lord Beefy, however, feels rather boney today. And thus their debate will go on until we have more food to break the tie. Tis time to head to the Mess Hall and recruit the pizzaguy before he is lynched, slain or <licks lips> eaten.

Lastly, before I depart, if our great Lord Shingen wishes to impart some guidance upon we indecisive members of the lynch mob, it will be well received by this Trio! I'd not wish to abstain my Honour.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-20-2009, 18:01

He got that idea from me! But I am stronger as I have the tastily dead Late Pineapple Samurai <holds aloft the pineapple stem> and the deliciously dead Late Lord Beefy <holds aloft the beef bone> at my side.

Let us not forget we have ninja and traitors - they have the same goal perhaps but my companions are at odds over the alliance of said ne'er do wells. Pineapple thinks they work apart, the right hand ignorant of the left hand. Lord Beefy, however, feels rather boney today. And thus their debate will go on until we have more food to break the tie. Tis time to head to the Mess Hall and recruit the pizzaguy before he is lynched, slain or <licks lips> eaten.

Lastly, before I depart, if our great Lord Shingen wishes to impart some guidance upon we indecisive members of the lynch mob, it will be well received by this Trio! I'd not wish to abstain my Honour.

Your surname translates as "Donner" doesn't it?

Seamus Fermanagh

04-20-2009, 18:04

Tiberius, your vote shift was nothing but personal protection. That is not inherently wrong, but this far in, especially after your "whew, made it" post, just strikes me wrong....

Vote: TiberiusBeskar

Tally (someone please check this)

ATPG = 6 (ATPG, Arach, Shlin, Tiberius, TinC, pever')

TiberiusBeskar = 6 (CR, Husar, Sasaki, Seamus, W_E, YLC)

Glenn = 3 (AVSM, North, Kukri)

Sasaki Kojiro = 2 ('khaan, Ichigo)

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Beefy = 1 (GH)

Chimpyang = 1 (FH)

Ibn-Khaldun = 1 (Haudegen)

Ichigo = 1 (Ducky)

KukriKhan = 1 (glyphz)

LittleGrizzly = 1 (L6)

Louis VI = 1 (yoyo)

The Spartan = 1 (Spartan)

White Eyes:D = 1 (Grizz)

Not Voting = (BG, Beefy, Dutch, Diablo, Phil, Rhyf, Stephen, Sig, Tosa, Tristan, War, X2)

Abstention = all others

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 18:27

Your surname translates as "Donner" doesn't it?
How did you determine that? All I was able to determine in seaching was

Kawazoe = "riverside" (I think)
Sadako = a girl's name

First I was a woman (I gather now) who thought I was a man who discover he's a woman. Don't confuse the matter any more by implying I'm a reindeer.

:antlers: Cool!
:thinking2:

TosaInu

04-20-2009, 18:30

Vote: Askthepizzaguy.

Edit: bold tag.

FactionHeir

04-20-2009, 18:37

The great Tosa hath spoken :bow:

How come he isn't Takeda anyway :grin:

Neverthless, would you like to elaborate on your vote?

Banquo's Ghost

04-20-2009, 18:50

A man, hitherto silent and all but unnoticed, rises to his feet and strolls towards the water gardens. The table where he has been practising calligraphy with a quiet determination still bears a parchment, that curls elegantly at one corner.

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy.

:bow:

Chimpyang

04-20-2009, 19:18

ooc : Macbeth?

Seamus Fermanagh

04-20-2009, 19:52

Yes, title characters "tommorow" soliloquy of which BG is quoting the last few lines.

Andres

04-20-2009, 19:56

Voting concluded. Stand by for execution.

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 20:07

Poetry!! Let me try!

Roses are red
Violets are blue
My katana is sharp
I wish I was too.

<giggles and claps for joy>

Iskander 3.1

04-20-2009, 20:22

Haikus are easy
But sometimes they don't make sense
Refrigerator

Andres

04-20-2009, 20:25

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Day 1 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/birdinsnow.jpg

Hour of the Cock

Fujiwara Kazunari watched how the little bird tripped up and down in the cold, white carpet. The little one looked around him and picked in the snow, looking for food. All of the sudden, frightened by nothing in particular, the little bird jumped up and flew away.

Fujiwara smiled as he saw the bird, free in the sky. The little one probably already had forgotten what frightened him and was now enjoying the magnificent landscape, hardly noticing the silly little figures down there.

Allthough Fujiwara was at peace, the pain in his belly became unbearable. Before the smile could leave his face, the sword of his kaishakunin struck mercifully.

The Tiger sat silent on his platform. He nodded slowly as a gesture of respect for a good dead.

"Let us hope that he was the traitor. Good night, men."

The Tiger nodded once more, stood up and went inside.

Orders were given and the men prepared for the night.

~~~

Tally

Askthepizzaguy : 8 (ATPG, TinCow, TiberiusBeskar, TosaInu, pevergreen, Banquo's Ghost, shlin28, CountArach) :skull:

TiberiusBeskar: 6 (Sasaki Kojiro, Husar, YLC, Crazed Rabbit, White_Eyes:D, Seamus Fermanagh)
Glenn: 3 (Kukrikhan, Northnovas, AVSM)
Sasaki Kojiro: 2 (Ichigo, 'khaan)
FactionHeir: 2 (Chimpyang, w&f)
Beefy187: 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
Ibn-Khaldun: 1 (Haudegen)
The Spartan: 1 (The Spartan)
Haudegen: 1 (Ibn-Khaldun)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Louis VI the Fat)
Louis VI the Fat: 1 (Yoyoma1910)
Chimpyang: 1 (FactionHeir)
White_Eyes:D: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Kukrikhan : 1 (glyphz)
shlin28: 1 (Psychonaut)
Ichigo: 1 (AggonDuck)

Abstain: 17 (Yaropolk, Quintus.JC, Gobbledygook, Olavi, Gregoshi, Iskander III, Caius, ajaxfetish, Captain Blackadder, taka, Reenk Roink, Death is Yonder, atheotes, Jolt, Ignoramus, El Diablo, Beaver)

Not voted: 12 (Dutch_guy, Rhyfelwyr, Peasant Phill, Glenn, Tristan de Castelreng, Warluster, Thermal Mercury, Chaotix27, Sigurd, Xehh II, Beefy187, Stephen Assen)

~~~

Challenges
1. Sasaki vs. Ibn-Khaldun
2. Caius vs. TiberiusBeskar
3. Glenn vs. Northnovas
4. Ignoramus vs. woad&fangs

Note: since ATPG got lynched, the challenges involving ATPG were null and void; therefore the next challenges issued are taken into account. One of these challenges will be chosen at random by the host and the duel will take place before the next day starts. If one of the duelists would become the target of an assassination attempt and his duel was the one chose by the gods of random, then no duel will take place.

~~~

Alive (60):
TinCow
Thermal Mercury
Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
Iskander III
FactionHeir
Caius
Shinseikhaan
Glenn
pevergreen
Beefy187
Ichigo
Warluster
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Sigurd
Kukrikhan
Captain Blackadder
A Very Super Market
Louis VI the Fat
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly
Gregoshi
taka
Jolt
ATPG
shlin28
YLC
Reenk Roink
Rhyfelwyr
Beaver
Olavi
AggonyDuck
El Diablo
TiberiusBeskar
atheotes
Chaotix27
Ibn-Khaldun
CountArach
Northnovas
Ignoramus
Husar
Death is yonder
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
TosaInu
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
Crazed Rabbit
Haudegen
woad&fangs
Xehh II
SorBlade15
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk

Killed (3):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter

Fallen in battle (0):

Lynched (1):
Askthepizzaguy

WoG/Suicide (0):

~~~

It's now night. Orders have to reach me at 20.30 (GMT+1) at the latest (that's +/- 23h10m from this post)

:bow:

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 20:27

Haikus are easy
But sometimes they don't make sense
Refrigerator
Cool. :thumbsup:

Beskar

04-20-2009, 20:29

Tiberius, your vote shift was nothing but personal protection. That is not inherently wrong, but this far in, especially after your "whew, made it" post, just strikes me wrong....

I was going to be away from the computer for 3 hours and being honest, it didn't look too well for me, so on that level, it was personal protection, however, I only changed my vote as Pizza Guy basically gave up by even changing his vote to himself to make-sure he went out and if that is what he wanted, I don't mind changing my vote for that reason (as it would have aided my safety for this round at least.)

Good news, there are 24hours of a break. Which will allow me to do revision for my exam on Wednesday, undisturbed almost. After that, it would be seeing how things play out with the Mafia.

Tactically speaking, the Mafia roles should keep me in, for the sole reason people will be after me next round opposed to them being targeted, having myself in the game would keep them safe while the townies all target me for their silly reasons. If the Mafia-roles do kill me, I have to admit, I would be surprised due to the reason I just gave. Though, they might kill me off when people realise I am not the bad guy so don't bother chasing me, then they bump me off as I am no longer needed. Either way, I doubt I would get to the end of this game, unless the Mafia are very cunning and the townies continue being silly. So when the townies keep voting for me, the Mafia would vote others to keep me in, thus, some random innocent gets killed, while the townies favourite target (me) remains in the game, the townies will keep targeting me, so the Mafia safe from harms way target the others and get them out undisturbed. :juggle2:

Then there is the figure some one used earlier, the 3% chance that I am actually a Mafia member, then obviously me remaining the game, continued continuing would also be suspicious or give people a reason to keep voting for me while my Mafia buddies keep me safe from harms way. (Very unlikely)

At the moment, I am still classed as "Deadman Walking" so nothing I say would be used as a defence, only as a reason to get me lynched. I just have to wait and see if people lay off the heat next round and actually work together to try down the real Mafia members with logic.

Beskar

04-20-2009, 20:31

2. Caius vs. TiberiusBeskar

That's fun, with challenges and bandwagon on me, I am not going to get any rest this entire game to sit back relax and drink sake.

LittleGrizzly

04-20-2009, 21:41

Chaotix

04-20-2009, 21:46

Ah. I've missed the vote. I'll be here for the next.

Keeping track of three games while hosting another can be difficult...

Thermal

04-20-2009, 22:34

Touche with Chaotix, for my sanity and for the Buddhist way please be careful when you post, I'm sure very few are going to make a habit of reading through 300 new posts each time they come on.....

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 22:50

<head bowed>

We lost an honourable samurai today. Fortunately, I'm good at finding things. The truly Late Atpg will live on as part of my expanding sub-clan Fodo. <holds aloft a pizza crust> I shall carry his family crust with Honour.

<lifts eyes and looks around>

The search is on again. <heavy sigh> Beskar seems to have lost his Tiberius, but I'm on it! Really! What an awkward time to lose a name. How am I ever to find ninjas and traitors if I'm looking for this other stuff? Um, can anyone tell me what a Tiberius looks like?

<A pineapple stem, beef bone, pizza crust and a vegetable wait for an answer that won't come. Afterall, if this brain trust doesn't know, who else possible could? So off they go, four samurai and several flies>

Gregoshi

04-20-2009, 22:57

...please be careful when you post, I'm sure very few are going to make a habit of reading through 300 new posts each time they come on.....

Then the Fodo clan shall take a vow of silence. We'll be as quiet as a nin-, er, monk. Yes, monk. <whispers> Good night all.

:quiet:

ULC

04-20-2009, 23:01

Then the Fodo clan shall take a vow of silence. We'll be as quiet as a nin-, er, monk. Yes, monk. <whispers> Good night all.

:quiet:

Hmmm...a Fodo Niner Monk...wonder what his favorite team is in football...
:thinking2:

PershsNhpios

04-20-2009, 23:06

ajaxfetish

04-20-2009, 23:24

Tactically speaking, the Mafia roles should keep me in, for the sole reason people will be after me next round opposed to them being targeted, having myself in the game would keep them safe while the townies all target me for their silly reasons. If the Mafia-roles do kill me, I have to admit, I would be surprised due to the reason I just gave.
I didn't think the case against Tiberius was very strong, but he's swiftly losing my trust. He's trying to convince the mafia he's better left alive than killed. He's also changed his username, presumably to distance himself from past accusations and make himself a less likely target. He's taking self-preservation to the extremes that can hurt the Takeda clan. We can afford to lose a few innocents to the greater cause, and a samurai would be unlikely to prioritize personal survival so highly. :shame:

Ajax

Seamus Fermanagh

04-21-2009, 00:29

Hey! I can do a good impression of Mr. T too!

Well, apparentry I can't type with an accent anymore, because when the politically correct readers at home sound out my words, they appear to be racially discriminative.
What a shame! Ha erse can I act rike shapanez?

Nevermind, I only typed in such a manner because I thought the first round would be pure nonsense anyway.
But although the lynch choices were unfounded and wrong, I really enjoyed reading the discussion that went on.

If I die tonight, it will be due to political incorrectness!

I doubt you are a high-priority kill. Any game I've seen you in, you have been a lightning rod. So, unless you're random.org'd tonight, I expect they'll allow you to weave your own rope. Unless, that is, you're one of those selecting the targets? :inquisitive:

Beskar

04-21-2009, 01:12

He's also changed his username, presumably to distance himself from past accusations and make himself a less likely target.

That is incorrect. The change is that I been meaning to change it for a while and I did. I purposely put 'Formally "TiberiusBeskar"' as the little under message highlighting who I was on purpose, so I don't get accused of that.

Askthepizzaguy

04-21-2009, 01:18

We have lost one of greatest samurai this night, shamed by the distrust shown in him by his fellow samurai he commited seppku in an effort to prove his ultimate loyalty to our great lord Takeda. We could all learn a lesson from such an honourable warrior.

*bows deeply*

Fujiwara Kazunari's spirit joins the land of wind and ghosts....

I could have saved myself with my vote. I did not. Lord Takeda Shingen ordered my death, and that is what I gave him. All of you should do the same. Disobeying the Lord shows your true loyalties. And no, I was not a traitor, obviously.

Askthepizzaguy : 8 (ATPG, TinCow, TiberiusBeskar, TosaInu, pevergreen, Banquo's Ghost, shlin28, CountArach)
TiberiusBeskar: 6 (Sasaki Kojiro, Husar, YLC, Crazed Rabbit, White_Eyes:D, Seamus Fermanagh)

:bow:

Beefy187

04-21-2009, 01:37

Pardon? Lord Takeda Shingen wants me dead. That is not "giving up" that is FOLLOWING ORDERS!!!

*takes out his samurai blade*

YOU ARE THE TRAITOR HERE!!!

Challenge: Beefy187

Real warrior does not draw his blades to kill, but to save another :smash:
I rather not let my blade taste the blood of my friends... Hopefully only those who are foolish enough to attack Shingen Sama.

Anyway, while I will defend my honor with best of my abilities, if my fate is sealed then I am happy to commit Seppuku if Shingen Sama wishes so.

While we had our differences, you really were a person with 義 and 和. I bow to mourn your death.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-21-2009, 04:06

That is incorrect. The change is that I been meaning to change it for a while and I did. I purposely put 'Formally "TiberiusBeskar"' as the little under message highlighting who I was on purpose, so I don't get accused of that.

He was just poking you to get a reaction. Mission accomplished.

KukriKhan

04-21-2009, 04:14

The rose
perfect
yet sheds a petal, as a tear
to the wind

PershsNhpios

04-21-2009, 06:38

Why is the tree crying? Is it sad?

Death is yonder

04-21-2009, 08:57

The write-ups are blank
nary a clue is present
what shall we do now

Askthepizzaguy

04-21-2009, 09:14

The write-ups are blank
nary a clue is present
what shall we do now

Not every game host
Does the "leaving the clues" thing
So take a wild guess

:bow:

Death is yonder

04-21-2009, 09:22

Not every game host
Does the "leaving the clues" thing
So take a wild guess

:bow:

I am quite afraid
Of lynching without reason
detectives needed

Askthepizzaguy

04-21-2009, 09:24

I am quite afraid
Of lynching without reason
detectives needed

Fear does not become
honorable samurai
see voting patterns

Death is yonder

04-21-2009, 09:30

Fear does not become
honorable samurai
see voting patterns

My apologies
Let us be done with haikus
Your will shalt be done

Askthepizzaguy

04-21-2009, 09:32

My apologies
Let us be done with haikus
Your will shalt be done

Don't follow my lead,
Be certain that you follow
Takeda Shingen

:clown:

I am dead after all...

CountArach

04-21-2009, 10:44

Please don't everyone follow me... I am the only confirmed innocent, but on the other hand I am not always correct.

Csargo

04-21-2009, 11:51

But...but... you're our infallible leader!!!

*starts following CA around*

CountArach

04-21-2009, 11:59

But...but... you're our unfalliable leader!!!

*starts following CA around*
The irony of misspelling that :laugh4: :wink:

Csargo

04-21-2009, 12:00

The irony of misspelling that :laugh4: :wink:

:bigcry:

TinCow

04-21-2009, 12:15

:bigcry:

It's still misspelled.

But...but... you're our infalliable leader!!!

infallible

Csargo

04-21-2009, 12:18

*gives up*

Paradox

04-21-2009, 12:51

Hour of the cock
We have lost an honorable one
Indeed a dirty hour
*cough*

Seamus Fermanagh

04-21-2009, 13:50

The rose
perfect
yet sheds a petal, as a tear
to the wind

Domo. :bow:

Chaotix

04-21-2009, 14:11

What's with the Haikus?
I don't understand the point
of this endeavor.

Yaropolk

04-21-2009, 14:19

But...but... you're our infallible leader!!!

*starts following CA around*

Are you comparing
Takeda Shingen to an
Inflatable duck?

Csargo

04-21-2009, 14:23

Are you comparing
Takeda Shingen to an
Inflatable duck?

well...um....uh

*runs away crying*

atheotes

04-21-2009, 14:24

What's with the Haikus?
I don't understand the point
of this endeavor.

why the haiku's you ask
the night(phase) is long
and sake is strong
:sweatdrop:

Olavi

04-21-2009, 14:25

I say it here too. This samurai will be absent for two days and then I'll have time to play.:bow:

pevergreen

04-21-2009, 14:35

Occupied I have
been, with thoughts of strawberry, in
ways I may not say.

:smitten:

Andres

04-21-2009, 14:46

The Infallible
sees haiku's being spammed
keep amusing me

Death is yonder

04-21-2009, 14:51

Impatient we are
waiting for the new phases
hurry up Andres :clown:

Andres

04-21-2009, 14:58

Orders I must get
from lazy slackers with roles
patience is virtue

Beskar

04-21-2009, 15:39

why so popular
I do question their appeal
Haiku overrated

Death is yonder

04-21-2009, 15:53

Indeed what is this
we are getting distracted
back to topic please :laugh4:

TinCow

04-21-2009, 16:04

There once was a man from Japan,
Who had the most beautiful fan.
He wore make-up so white,
And a kimono so tight,
That the rest always stared at his can.

Andres

04-21-2009, 16:11

~~~Swords in the moon~~~
~~~Awful poetry mafia~~~
:thinking2:

GeneralHankerchief

04-21-2009, 19:23

~~~Swords in the moon~~~
~~~Awful poetry mafia~~~
:thinking2:

*clears throat*

Beautiful railway bridge of the silv'ry Tay
Alas! I am very sorry to say
That ninety lives have been taken away
On the last sabbath day of 1879
Which shall be remembered for a very long time.

That is all... for now. :evil:

Rhyfelwyr

04-21-2009, 19:28

Little red sparrow
Gracefully takes flight
Killed by ninja

Prince Cobra

04-21-2009, 20:03

Little sparrow falls,
Blood trickles on the ground.
It soaks the earth.
Flower springs up from the dust.

Don't worry, my friend. Death is not the end, it is just another beginning. :bow:

~:Puts the pen aside listens to the grim news that has happened in his absence :~

Andres

04-21-2009, 20:09

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Night 2 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/ninja.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Fujiwara Ritsu (The Spartan) was tired. The emotions of that day, the constant seemingly random accusations and the absurd possibility of getting ordered to commit seppuku for being a traitor had taken their toll.

He was quite happy not to have guard duty that night. The bottle of saké, which he had hidden under his kimono, would make him feel better soon.

While he was taking out the bottle and looking for a clean cup, he didn’t notice the dark shadow on the opposite wall of the room. The man sneaked up on Fujiwara. With one well placed punch, he broke the young samurai’s neck.

The ninja picked up the bottle of saké and left unnoticed.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/throwingknives.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Konishi Yukinaga (Iskander III) was standing guard. Clouds were gathering and soon it would snow. Again.

Konishi sighed. Why Shingen preferred the freezing cold of the mountains over the slightly more bearable winter carpets in the valleys, went beyond him. Most Daimiyo were an excentric bunch and all in all, this strange custom was one of the few really weird things in the Tigers’ character.

Konishi’s thoughts were disrupted by the sound of footsteps in the snow.

“Hey!” a voice said loudly.

Konishi turned towards the sound of the voice and got temporarily blinded by the campfire. That was all the ninja needed to throw a sharp, poisoned throwing knife right through the samurai’s throat.

Konishi died within seconds.

~~~
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/blackkatana.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Uesugi Kenshu (Shinseikhaan) let a sigh of relief. After all, with such a name as his, it was a little miracle they didn’t single him out. Of course, he was one of the most loyal samurai to Takeda Shingen, following his army since he was 16, but does that count in a situation where paranoia and madness rule instead of common sense?

But for now, he was still alive and he could still enjoy beauty. And so, he decided to go outside, because, contrary to his fellow samurai, he loved the cold, dark nights in the mountains. They were silent and the scenery was majestatic.

While he was walking and enjoying the freezing yet silent cold, he didn’t hear nor see the blade that was being lifted. When it struck down, it seperated Uesugi’s head from his body, ending his life mercifully quick.

The warrior behind him cleaned his sword with the kimono of the fallen Uesugi and carefully left the scene unnoticed.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/ninja2.jpg

Hour of the Ox

Watanabe Yumi (Olavi) entered his room. He was tired and in dire need of some sleep. He quickly undressed himself, placed his katana and his wakizashi in a corner of the room and went to bed.

As soon as his head touched the cushion, he slept.

He didn’t notice the figure entering his room. Two strong, dark gloved hands grabbed Watanabe’s throat and broke his larynx. The knife piercing through his right eye, into his brains ended the job very quick.

The dark shade left the room unnoticed.

~~~
Day 2 - Bloodshed.
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/mountainsofKai2.jpg

Hour of the Rabbit

The previous night had been very pleasant for Takeda Shingen. While he was eating his breakfeast, he was enjoying the beautiful scenery.

He heard some noises on the courtyard and decided to take a look.

The Tiger came outside and walked to his platform. He looked at the four woodpiles and noticed the 4 sheets covering what seemed to be dead bodies. The Tiger sighed.

"It seems like this isn't over yet." He paused for a while and then picked up a scroll one of the samurai had put next to him. He took a careful look and then watched Fujimoto Yunishiro (Glenn) and Watanabe Yunishiro (Northnovas).

"Let the Yunishiro nephews begin," Takeda said, softly.

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/duel.jpg

One of the samurai officers bowed to both men.

"No armor, no hidden weapons, just katana and wakizashi."

Both samurai nodded and took their places.

Fujimoto quickly unsheeted his katana and stormed forwards. The younger Watanabe didn't expect this ferocious attack, but his quick reflexes saved him from what would have been a fatal blow.

Fujimoto however was out of balance now and Watanabe managed to take a stab at him. He ruined Fujimoto's kimono but, surprisingly, didn't hurt his opponent.

Fujimoto made a move to the left and then suddenly swung his katana to Watanabe's left side. He deflected the blow with his katana and came in with an incredibly quick riposte. Fujimoto parried but lost his katana in the proces.

Watanabe grinned. Without his katana, his opponent was at a huge disadvantage. He stormed forwards, but in his enthusiasm, he stumbled. Fujimoto drew his wakizashi and burried it into Watanabe's leg. The younger samurai groaned. Fujimoto tried to kick his opponent in the stomach, but Watanabe managed to roll away, but without his katana. Fujimoto quickly jumped upon Watanabe and both men struggled for a while, both giving blows and kicks. Then the wrestling stopped. Fujimoto stood up, and he saw Watanabe bleeding to dead, looking at his own wakizashi that somehow got planted in his chest. Fujimoto picked up his katana and quickly decapacitated his opponent.

The duel was over.

Shingen nodded respectfully to Fujimoto.

"Now that this has been settled, we'll go through the proceedings again."

~~~

Alive (55):
TinCow
Thermal Mercury
Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Glenn
peverblue
Beefy187
Ichigo
Warluster
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Sigurd
Kukrikhan
Captain Blackadder
A Very Super Market
Louis VI the Fat
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly
Gregoshi
taka
Jolt
shlin28
YLC
Reenk Roink
Rhyfelwyr
Beaver
AggonyDuck
El Diablo
Beskar
atheotes
Chaotix27
Ibn-Khaldun
CountArach
Ignoramus
Husar
Death is yonder
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
TosaInu
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
Crazed Rabbit
Haudegen
woad&fangs
Xehh II
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk

Killed (7):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi

Fallen in battle (1):
Northnovas

Lynched (1):
Askthepizzaguy

WoG/Suicide (0):

~~~

It's now day. You can start voting. Day will last for +/- 24 hours (until 21.00 GMT+1)

:bow:

Chimpyang

04-21-2009, 20:09

Flowers shiver,
In autumn's breeze,
Like human hearts,
After our fall.

TinCow

04-21-2009, 20:30

The combined list of kills from the first two nights is very random. It seems so random that the randomness itself must be intentional, probably from random.org. There's still nothing decent to work with yet, due to game size and the early phase. I recommend spreading out pressure on many people.

[edit]Also, ATPG is still listed as alive, which I believe is an error.

Prince Cobra

04-21-2009, 20:39

Maybe a scratch can make the things simplier?

Prince Cobra

04-21-2009, 20:43

Yup. I think we are thinking in the same way. No offence but you don't strike me as a high profile player. If I am correct to assume that all three kills were from the same hostile family, two things are strange.

One because all three dead players are mafia regulers in gameroom (Split is new, Khazaar is recently from TWC) and Lord Winter. All of them are not really a populer kill target in night one, suggesting that either the mafia gang is just picking random targets or trying to give the non regulers some chance to get active on mafia.

I may do just that, I'm opposed to killing new commers on earlier rounds. Plus killing Khazaar naturally points at TWC players including my self.

I think theres a good chance of mafia being in those four.

Anyways, for those who are making assumptions that lynching ATPG is the only way to silence him. Thats a big mistake. If ATPG turns out to be innocent, we will have to swim through 10 post of ATPG per page! Not that I have any problems with that.

Vote:Beefy187

There is too much obvious honour in this man, which makes me wonder if this is not just a mask to hide his true intentions. This makes him suspicious.

Seamus Fermanagh

04-21-2009, 20:49

Andres' write-ups are not clueless, but there is little to go on. Nevertheless, I believe I am noting some small pattern regarding the killers:

Vigi-Sam Killer

I see parallels between the killings of Lord Winter and 'kkhaan. Both of these appear to be sword killings as of a Samurai in vigilante mode. Both targets are known players with several GR mafias under their belts. Also, both targets often lessen their participation following death.

I could be wrong and this could be a bad-guy doing the killing, but I believe this is one killer and he or she is killing experienced players of known skill but those who do NOT normally feature as early round lightning rods.

Butcher

Khazar's particularly gory death on N1 strikes me as the work of a SK. Both Samurai and Ninja were capable of lots of violence and beheadings were common, but hacking the taget to ribbons is excessive and betokens instability. No such killing occurred on N2.

Ninja

We have more than one of these, but I am not sure that they all were up to speed on day one. I get the suggestion of some being late with their orders and late to the game -- as I was -- so it might be wothwhile to query those who were inactive at first but active now. I fit that profile, so have at me if you wish. ALL of their targets have been relative newcomers or those with very low profiles (save for The Spartan, returning after a long absence). I am not sure it's as random as Tincow suggests -- just prudent targeting early while the big names and frequent posters lynch each other in the early rounds (as we all know happens pretty often).

Thoughts?

Prince Cobra

04-21-2009, 20:55

Andres' write-ups are not clueless, but there is little to go on. Nevertheless, I believe I am noting some small pattern regarding the killers:

Vigi-Sam Killer

I see parallels between the killings of Lord Winter and 'kkhaan. Both of these appear to be sword killings as of a Samurai in vigilante mode. Both targets are known players with several GR mafias under their belts. Also, both targets often lessen their participation following death.

I could be wrong and this could be a bad-guy doing the killing, but I believe this is one killer and he or she is killing experienced players of known skill but those who do NOT normally feature as early round lightning rods.

Butcher

Khazar's paricularly gory death on N1 strikes me as the work of a SK. Both Samurai and Ninja were capable of lots of violence and beheadings were common, but hacking the taget to ribbons is excessive and betokens instability. No such killing occurred on N2.

Ninja

We have more than one of these, but I am not sure that they all were up to speed on day one. I get the suggestion of some being late with their orders and late to the game -- as I was -- so it might be wothwhile to query those who were inactive at first but active now. I fit that profile, so have at me if you wish. ALL of their targets have been relative newcomers or those with very low profiles (save for The Spartan, returning after a long absence). I am not sure it's as random as Tincow suggests -- just prudent targeting early while the big names and frequent posters lynch each other in the early rounds (as we all know happens pretty often).

Thoughts?

One is for sure: at least one or two of the Ninjas are experienced players. The others can be relatively new.

I also think that one of the traitors is a seasoned player.

On the other hand, I would not recommend killing all the experienced people since it won't solve the problem (not all of the assassins are experienced).

Edit: I think there is something like voting and consulting in the ranks of Ninjas. After all they kill 3 and they are 4 people.

Yaropolk

04-21-2009, 20:59

So do the battle ratings run on a scale from 1-10?

Not much to go on, but I wonder if AggonyDuck has a 9 or 10 rating. This could mean either he's either an assassin or a bodyguard, so I wouldn't want to FOS him yet, since he may be a valueable role.

Csargo

04-21-2009, 21:15

Vote:GH

This is not a random vote.

Gregoshi

04-21-2009, 21:25

<Head bowed :shame:, Sadako tosses the pineapple stem next to body of the recently Late Pineapple Samurai. Her lips move, but no sound issues forth. As she turns away, she looks at the beef bone and whispered sounds finally force their way out>

I guess this means you are next Lord Beefy. I'll have to hide you well tonight. The boots will have to wait.

Chimpyang

04-21-2009, 22:00

Vote:GH

This is not a random vote.

Care to explain? Or gut instinct?

Sasaki Kojiro

04-21-2009, 22:08

Vote:Sigurd

Seamus Fermanagh

04-21-2009, 22:12

That's two bald votes. Both by experienced hunters.

Gentlemen, you can do better than that.

Iskander 3.1

04-21-2009, 22:15

Bah, I'm dead...proof that abstinence doesn't work

ULC

04-21-2009, 22:23

The excessive violence is still there Seamus - the last kill was done by crushing the larynx and then stabbing the person through the eye and into the brain. Instability doesn't necessarily require one to complete an act the same way each time.

Challenge: Seamus
Vote: Abstain

I want to see how good you truly are. Whoever wins this will make the other suspect though...

Beskar

04-21-2009, 22:31

Beefy187 1 Stephen Asen
GeneralHankerchief 1 Ichigo, TinCow
Yaropolk 2 woad&fangs, Sasaki Kojiro

Abstain 3
YLC
Rhyfelwyr
Beskar

I won't be voting till later. Exam at 9am, will be voting how things go at around 1pm GMT. I will just make my current Vote:Abstain until then.

Bah, I'm dead...proof that abstinence doesn't work

It actually makes you an easy target. For example, if you was hunting down some one you suspected was Mafia, that person might bump you off in order to silence you. It makes suspicions against that person more revealing. When you vote Abstain, it is a free pass kill for the Mafia as to everyone else, no one has any idea who would have done it. Not sure if this appears often on the forum version in this game, but in the real life version, people quickly start pointing fingers in order to survive the round.

Iskander 3.1

04-21-2009, 23:05

"Real life version?"

This is my first ever game but it's been fun, I'll have to try some more. I'll lurk around to see how this one plays out. By the way, excellent naration, Andres :2thumbsup:

Beskar

04-21-2009, 23:12

"Real life version?"

This is my first ever game but it's been fun, I'll have to try some more. I'll lurk around to see how this one plays out. By the way, excellent naration, Andres :2thumbsup:

Yeah, you have to rely on things like body language as well. I first played the real-life version on New Years. Basically, to choose, you have a pack of cards then the game Master. They give out the cards with cards having the role on, then start the night and day phases just like on the forum. In the game I was in, Mafia only killed one person per night and they simply pointed at whoever they wanted to kill in agreement, then the detective, then the doctor. The other players put their heads in their hands and the game master watched them to make sure they don't try to cheat, if they do, they get kicked out the game. Then the day starts, then people have to use their voices and actions, looking at people, trying to see who it is, looking around at each other, and coming to a vote.

There is also the Warcraft 3 version using custom maps. Basically, that is a time limited game, where at the end, the survivors had to choose who the killer was. The killer to win, had to kill them all before that time-period. If the time ran-out and the killer wasn't voted out. It was classed as a draw/the killer escapes.

shlin28

04-21-2009, 23:12

I am really really tired right now, and I got school tomorrow... so er... I'll probably vote when I get back home tomorrow and read the thread properly...

Rhyfelwyr

04-21-2009, 23:25

Vote:Abstain