Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[Prince Cobra]

To BESKARRRR

I offered you a compromise, an honourable death for both of us. You declined shamefully claiming that death is not the purpose of the samurai even when he has to serve the master. So be it. Die then.

Challenge: Beskar

:bow:

[atheotes]

To BESKARRRR

I offered you a compromise, an honourable death for both of us. You declined shamefully claiming that death is not the purpose of the samurai even when he has to serve the master. So be it. Die then.

Challenge: Beskar

:bow:


whats up with you two... now i am suspicious that it is all a game to distract people... :juggle2:
FOS: Stephen Asen and Beskar

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:GH....needs a little more pressure:wink:
Challenge:AggonyDuck

"I want my duel sometime..."

:thinking2:

[AggonyDuck]

Vote:GH....needs a little more pressure:wink:
Challenge:AggonyDuck

"I want my duel sometime..."

:thinking2:

:no:

Why do people insist on challenging me? Is it because I will die a horrible death? Either way I can not understand your logic, especially when I've given my word that I am innocent and my words holds true.

[Yaropolk]

This is true. Though I have thought you suspicious in the past, I shall look elsewhere for villainy today.

Unvote:GH

vote:AggonyDuck

Challenge Yaropolk

Quick to jump on someone - must be pretty confident of your battle rating!

[Yoyoma1910]

Quick to jump on someone - must be pretty confident of your battle rating!

I am confident of nothing.


But, I am curious as towards who you are.

[Yoyoma1910]

I shall say also this:

In all things,
I am a man
Who appreciates
Simplicity and elegance.

There are few things
More elegant and
Simplistic in their purpose
Than a sword.

Let us then sir,
If our lord wills it:
Dance.

[woad&fangs]

vote: abstain for now

I don't think the case against GH is very good now that it has been revealed that another samurai didn't bow to lord Takeda. I need some time to think of who to vote for this round.

[White_eyes:D]

vote: abstain for now

I don't think the case against GH is very good now that it has been revealed that another samurai didn't bow to lord Takeda. I need some time to think of who to vote for this round.

This just screams SCUM to me.....:smash:


A duel between me and TinCow should result in a close fight. His victory over YLC is explainable as a fluke. However, if he defeats me by a large margin he is likely lying about his skill rating. That is why I challenged him.

and it seemed like you tried to save TinCow the other day too....:inquisitive: Unvote:GH Vote:woad&fangs

[Wishazu]

I`m liking the theory about GH. To some people the clue about him not bowing seems too good to be true. Perhaps Andres is just helping us out a tiny bit. Anyways, i think this is the best evidence so far, especially when you combine it with the deliberate shaming of his opponent during the duel.

vote: Generalhankerchief

[Csargo]

The GH not bowing after the duel seems like way too obvious of a clue for Andres to give, so I don't think it really means anything.

Vote:Beskar

His posts just scream scum to me.:shrug:

[KukriKhan]

Alive (30):
Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Kukrikhan
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
taka
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk

5 (max, so far) bad-guy kills per night,
Plus 1 duel kill
Plus 1 Lynch

= 7 dead townies per day/night cycle, if mafia is 100% successful and town is 0% successful - not an unlikely possibility. So it looks like 3 more cycles before we lose to the bad guys. Just saying: "plan for the worst, hope for the best".

With town at half the strength it started out with, and this being statistically the end of the mid-game/beginning of the endGame, we town can no longer afford "ride-alongs", that is: players who contribute the minimum, or less than the minimum (lurkers) to avoid suspicion.

I'm OK with GH's no-defense defense, for now. The explanation is plausible, and I agree that Andres made an unintended clue, probably.

I'll be voting lurkers for the next 2 nights, to clear out the deadwood, or kill lurking scum, whichever comes first.

I recommend you think about doing the same.

vote: Banquo's Ghost.

[Beefy187]

GH maybe a scum due to write up.
However maybe it wasn't a clue at all.

Thats 50 percent chance of GH being a scum right there, where as other players are getting voted for their behaviors and posts they made.

If your going to let GH go with "I have no defence" defence, then please do lynch him in the near future just to make sure he was indeed innocent.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

GH maybe a scum due to write up.
However maybe it wasn't a clue at all.

Thats 50 percent chance of GH being a scum right there, where as other players are getting voted for their behaviors and posts they made.

If your going to let GH go with "I have no defence" defence, then please do lynch him in the near future just to make sure he was indeed innocent.

This post you just made may be proof that you are mafia.
However maybe it isn't proof.

So there is a 50 percent chance of you being mafia...

[seireikhaan]

Holy moses, 1500 posts... ya, I'm pretty much lost. :sweatdrop:

[Banquo's Ghost]

The unprepossessing samurai who has only ever attracted notice when he was seen meditating over calligraphy walks quietly into Lord Takeda's audience room and bows.

"My lord," he begins, in an unexpectedly firm voice, and his shoulders seem to straighten and broaden. "Having disobeyed your orders, I stand before you in dishonour and await your mercy. Yet first, I claim the right as your faithful shinobi to place my life in the balance, and in so doing tip the scales towards the protection of your person to which I am sworn, and the ultimate victory over your enemies that is your destiny.

There are few enough of your loyal followers left that we may now strike with the knowledge I have gained, poor though it is. To delay further might bring more rewards, but I am sure that my death was always imminent and to go silent to the grave would have handed triumph to the wolves. Thus I reveal myself, attending you despite your order to stay at home, and gladly embrace whatever fate your decree.

Our enemies are careful, and whereas my investigations have been thorough, I know that some of them can hide their intent even from such as I. My lord, you must examine some of my conclusions through that clouded glass, but doubt not that most of what I have to say will be paid for by my blood, and thus my words are iron.

Hisao Mayurama (Quintus.JC) is one of the ninja and should be executed immediately. I have seen him stained with blood and fresh from last night's kill.

It is to my shame that this is the only firm evidence of guilt I have gleaned, but I am sure of the innocence and loyalty of the following men still alive:


Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen
Tristan de Castelreng
glyphz
Gobbledegook

And those that have perished:

Crazed Rabbit
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
TinCow
Gregoshi

Finally, it is most imperative that you execute Quintus.JC immediately, but then urgently consider the dispatch of Gamo Ujisato (KukriKhan). I have no evidence against him save that he evaded my investigations in a most unusual manner and has been carefully active in directing the yashiki's votes. I believe he has discovered me, and twice now has, with the subtlety of the spider, sought to place me into harms' way. I firmly believe he is the ninja master.

I have done my duty, though not your will, and I shall continue in your service until you see fit to ask me to watch the dawn for the last time, or your enemies deny me that last joy."

:bow:

[ajaxfetish]

Well, Banquo, I'm convinced, unless CountArach has something to say against you.

vote: Quintus.JC

Ajax

[ajaxfetish]

A look back on voting records for Kukri and Quintus:

Quintus
Abstain
Sigurd
No Vote
No Vote
Tristan
None yet today

KukriKhan
Glenn
Sigurd
Shlin28
Banquo's Ghost
Rhyfelwyr
Banquo's Ghost

If BG's info is reliable, Quintus has voted for 2 confirmed innocents and otherwise avoided voting. Kukri has voted for one confirmed innocent, for BG himself, for CountArach's recommended target (Shlin), and for Glenn and Rhyfelwyr (status unknown).

A look at the two lynch victims BG reports as innocent:

Sigurd
Both Kukri and Quintus voted for Sigurd. So did Shlin, who raised CountArach's suspicions afterward. So did GH (innocent according to BG) and Louis and Haudegen (both later night killed).

That leaves Ichigo, Chimpyang, and AggonyDuck (status unknown).

TinCow
Neither of the two BG accused voted for TinCow. Kukri voted for Rhyfelwyr that day, and Quintus for Tristan. Of those who did vote for TC, CountArach and Husar are obviously innocent, and so is Sasaki according to BG. Haudegen was later night killed, and Beefy just fell to GH in a duel. That leaves Rhyfelwyr, Kagemusha, atheotes, White Eyes, and me, ajaxfetish (status unknown).

Ajax

[Beskar]

whats up with you two... now i am suspicious that it is all a game to distract people... :juggle2:
FOS: Stephen Asen and Beskar

He private messaged me saying he will leave me alone if I suicide, I obviously said no.

[glyphz]

Patience paid off today for the clueless.

Vote: Quintus.JC

Confirmed killers first. We need to slow down the 'bleeding.'

Tally:

GeneralHankerchief: 3 - (Beskar, Dutch_guy, Wishazu)

Beskar: 2 - (Stephen Asen, Ichigo)
Quintus.JC: 2 - (ajaxfetish, glyphz)

Rhyfelwyr: 1 - (Yaropolk)
Seamus Fermanagh: 1 - (Sasaki Kojiro)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 - (AggonyDuck)
AggonyDuck: 1 - (Yoyoma1910)
Banquo's Ghost: 1 - (KukriKhan)
woad&fangs: 1 - (White_eyes:D

abstain: woad&fangs

Duel list:

Sasaki Kojiro - AggonyDuck
Yoyoma1910 - Yaropolk
Stephen Asen - Beskar
White_eyes:D - AggonyDuckDing ding ding! Bandwagon time!

[Banquo's Ghost]

Vote: Quintus.JC


Tally:

Quintus.JC: 3 - (ajaxfetish, glyphz, Banquo's Ghost)
GeneralHankerchief: 3 - (Beskar, Dutch_guy, Wishazu)

Beskar: 2 - (Stephen Asen, Ichigo)


Rhyfelwyr: 1 - (Yaropolk)
Seamus Fermanagh: 1 - (Sasaki Kojiro)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 - (AggonyDuck)
AggonyDuck: 1 - (Yoyoma1910)
Banquo's Ghost: 1 - (KukriKhan)
woad&fangs: 1 - (White_eyes:D

abstain: woad&fangs

Duel list:

Sasaki Kojiro - AggonyDuck
Yoyoma1910 - Yaropolk
Stephen Asen - Beskar
White_eyes:D - AggonyDuck

[AggonyDuck]

Unvote: Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Quintus

Tally:

Quintus.JC: 4 - (ajaxfetish, glyphz, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck)
GeneralHankerchief: 3 - (Beskar, Dutch_guy, Wishazu)

Beskar: 2 - (Stephen Asen, Ichigo)


Rhyfelwyr: 1 - (Yaropolk)
Seamus Fermanagh: 1 - (Sasaki Kojiro)
AggonyDuck: 1 - (Yoyoma1910)
Banquo's Ghost: 1 - (KukriKhan)
woad&fangs: 1 - (White_eyes:D

abstain: woad&fangs

Duel list:

Sasaki Kojiro - AggonyDuck
Yoyoma1910 - Yaropolk
Stephen Asen - Beskar
White_eyes:D - AggonyDuck

[Prince Cobra]

I don't believe you but if you are not giuilty you will have to buy my trust with your blood. My proposal is the following. We make secret peace between we two and send it to Lord Takeda. Then each turn we are going to challenge the people we think are suspicious (maybe seprately since the Ninja hate teamwork). And thus, until we show who is the Ninja master and the traitors. This will mean certain death. But we have no other choice but to die for our master.


Agreed?

This was my suggestion, Beskar-san. And here is your shameful rejection.



I exclude General Handkerchief automatically. He will be probably lynched.

I would like to discuss the topic first and then to make challenges. :bow:

Waiting impatiently. I need an immediate answer.

There is the fundamental flaw, you said to duel people. I am a normal samurai, my duel rating sucks, so I will die since Ninja are meant to have high duel ratings.

Part of the game is to stay alive, even if you are a townie/pro-town role, not to die.

We would be playing the game all wrong to do suicide. :smash:

This is the reason for my third challenge. You are a cowardly knave and you do not deserve to live!

Edited: It seems that the next lynch is determined so this is left only as my motives for the challenge. I am not mad person ruled by blind revenge. I simply think Beskar reeks of treason (or ninjitsu)

[Quintus.JC]

BG, since you already claimed the role of the shinobi, I ask you to show your PM immediately. Why did you not show your PM in the first post? According to you your identity has already been exposed, now you've revealed in public there is really no reason to hold anything back from town now.

Vote: Banquo's ghost

here's my PM.



Quintus.JC

Fujimoto Kumiko – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Fujimoto-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

[Beskar]

oh yeah, I forgot to say.

Unvote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Quintus.JC


Quintus.JC: 5 - (ajaxfetish, glyphz, Banquo's Ghost, AggonyDuck, Beskar)

GeneralHankerchief: 2 - (Dutch_guy, Wishazu)
Beskar: 2 - (Stephen Asen, Ichigo)


Rhyfelwyr: 1 - (Yaropolk)
Seamus Fermanagh: 1 - (Sasaki Kojiro)
AggonyDuck: 1 - (Yoyoma1910)
Banquo's Ghost: 1 - (KukriKhan)
woad&fangs: 1 - (White_eyes:D

abstain: woad&fangs

Duel list:

Sasaki Kojiro - AggonyDuck
Yoyoma1910 - Yaropolk
Stephen Asen - Beskar
White_eyes:D - AggonyDuck

[Prince Cobra]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2213760&postcount=153

Quintius, if your name is not Hisao but Fujimoto, this will mean your execution was unrightful one and your murderer shall be avenged. If you are indeed Hisao, then this mesans you were a ninja. :bow:


After Googling my character, I found her on Facebook... :sweatdrop:

I am I a she Andres?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Kumiko-Fujimoto/680341185

Ok, definitely not the sort of tough guy I was looking for...

Maybe I'm supposed to be the dog...

Unvote: Beskar

Vote: Quintius JC

But God help to Banquo's Ghost if Quintius is not Hisao!

[Quintus.JC]

Reading today's events, my theory is that GH is the Ninja godfather, and BG is one of his students. After GH's duel that carried the possibility of exposing him, and in the face of having the godfather being lynched. The ninja team got to work and decided to risk one of its student to save its master. Notice how before BG's post most of votes went to GH, the mafia decided it would appear way too scummy to make this move when GH has gathered too many votes, so they thought to do it earlier to cast away the suspicion that the reveal was only to save GH. Also notice how GH appeared on BG's Innocent list along with the rest, of course BG would know who is innocent and who is guilty if he was part of the mafia team.

Unvote: BG
Vote: GeneralHankerchief

I ask town to think about this wisely, and not to trust Banquo's reveal to lightly. He might not have been in danger of being lynched, but this reveal has made me severely suspcious of GeneralHankerchief.

Also I want to hear from CA about what he thinks on the reliability of BG's reveal. I did sent my duel score to CA, and BG delayed in sending his scores I believe.

[Beskar]

There is an interesting note in BQ's post -
Gamo Ujisato as possible ninja master, but the Ninja Master is called Kato Danzo.

Also, CountAarch knows who protected Sasaki, was the protector of Sasaki BQ?

[Prince Cobra]

Reading today's events, my theory is that GH is the Ninja godfather, and BG is one of his students. After GH's duel that carried the possibility of exposing him, and in the face of having the godfather being lynched. The ninja team got to work and decided to risk one of its student to save its master. Notice how before BG's post most of votes went to GH, the mafia decided it would appear way too scummy to make this move when GH has gathered too many votes, so they thought to do it earlier to cast away the suspicion that the reveal was only to save GH. Also notice how GH appeared on BG's Innocent list along with the rest, of course BG would know who is innocent and who is guilty if he was part of the mafia team.

Unvote: BG
Vote: GeneralHankerchief

I ask town to think about this wisely, and not to trust Banquo's reveal to lightly. He might not have been in danger of being lynched, but this reveal has made me severely suspcious of GeneralHankerchief.

Also I want to hear from CA about what he thinks on the reliability of BG's reveal. I did sent my duel score to CA, and BG delayed in sending his scores I believe.

If you are indeed innocent, you shall be avenged, my firend. :bow:

[Beskar]

Actually, I believe BQ is innocent. For some strange reason.

[Prince Cobra]

Actually, I believe BQ is innocent. For some strange reason.

If Quintius is Hisao, I see little problem for BG.

[AggonyDuck]

BQ, how many investigations can you make per night?

[Beskar]

This will be an interesting night phase for sure.

[Banquo's Ghost]

BG, since you already claimed the role of the shinobi, I ask you to show your PM immediately. Why did you not show your PM in the first post? According to you your identity has already been exposed, now you've revealed in public there is really no reason to hold anything back from town now.

Vote: Banquo's ghost

here's my PM.


The serpent twists round.

This is an impossible request to consider. Firstly, my duties mean that I have information about my Lord Takeda which would be revealed to such as you and endanger him. This may been seen as convenient, but thus it must be, even if it results in suspicion of me.

Secondly, such a revelation would be useless. It is unlikely that there is any comparator, so I could write anything and you would be none the wiser.

I note that you changed your vote, made first in a fit of anger against me, to aim your venom at the only samurai that might still garner enough votes to save your neck. I can be killed in the night as you realised (or were directed). Persuading the town to consider Generalhankerchief for execution is your last desperate ploy.


There is an interesting note in BQ's post -
Gamo Ujisato as possible ninja master, but the Ninja Master is called Kato Danzo.

I am aware of who Kato Danzo is. There are several who masquerade under false names - do you think the master of ninjas would not be one of them? As I said, KukriKhan has provided me with no direct evidence of his guilt, but the investigation of him, whilst identifying him as innocent, gave clues completely different from the rest of my investigations which all yielded the same result.


BQ, how many investigations can you make per night?

I do not believe I am at liberty to say this. Nor should I, for it would give our enemies respite and succour. One might argue that they can work it out from my list of innocents, but I have not revealed all, for there are those on whom I have knowledge but not surety.

[AggonyDuck]

I do not believe I am at liberty to say this. Nor should I, for it would give our enemies respite and succour. One might argue that they can work it out from my list of innocents, but I have not revealed all, for there are those on whom I have knowledge but not surety.

Alright, I can figure it out from here myself. Seems like the number adds up to what it should be if we account for those you do not wish to reveal.

[KukriKhan]

I am aware of who Kato Danzo is. There are several who masquerade under false names - do you think the master of ninjas would not be one of them? As I said, KukriKhan has provided me with no direct evidence of his guilt, but the investigation of him, whilst identifying him as innocent, gave clues completely different from the rest of my investigations which all yielded the same result.

That's interesting. And flattering. But incorrect. I am merely Veteran Samurai. But, as promised by the others, my old sword will avenge a wrongful death, if you have led us astray.

unvote: Banquo's Ghost
vote: Quintus.JC

[Quintus.JC]

That's interesting. And flattering. But incorrect. I am merely Veteran Samurai. But, as promised by the others, my old sword will avenge a wrongful death, if you have led us astray.



That's all I can ask. As by tradition, if the detective claimer get it wrong, he should by lynched next round straight, no questions asked.

Well, it is only my regret that I cannot serve my lord further from this point. Good luck town. :bow:

[TinCow]

Interesting that after a moment of panic, Quintus' posts become complacent and accepting. Especially since this coincides with KukriKhan's similarly complacent response. BG's statements seem to have hit the mark, and the response has been a forced passivity on the response of the accused in an attempt to appear innocent. I expect good results from the next few rounds.

[Beefy187]

This post you just made may be proof that you are mafia.
However maybe it isn't proof.

So there is a 50 percent chance of you being mafia...

But me doing WIFOMs are nothing new. Besides what kind of weak mafia loses a duel? :sweatdrop:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote:Seamus
Vote:Quintus


I agree--Kukri tomorrow. Maybe ichigo...

[woad&fangs]

unvote: abstain; Vote: QuintusJC
BQs reveal and Quintus' subsequent posts make this one a no brainer. Thank you for revealing, BQ. This will make analyzing the remaining unconfirmed much easier.:bow:

[Yoyoma1910]

unvote:AggonyDuck
Vote:Quintus JC

[Peasant Phill]

Vote: Quintus JC

[Dutch_guy]

I believe BG, doesn't strike me as a fake reveal at all:

Unvote:GH

Vote: Quintus JC

:balloon2:

[Kagemusha]

Vote: Quintus JC.

[woad&fangs]

So the killers were bold enough to kill the Pevers, most of whom were in the spotlight, and would probably be lynched and killed off soon.

The killers can't be newbies, I just don't think they would kill people who are must likely to get the attention and help other people to hide themselves.
FoS: The people who publicly made threats to the Pevers.

red coloring is mine.

FoS: All the newbies

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:woad&fangs Vote:Quintus I warn you guys.....we have no way of telling if BQ is telling the truth.....:shrug: and the mafia will likely drop to two kills tonight....(In Godfather three....me and beefy agreed it was a good idea early on) If BQ survives tonight....we need to lynch him....or otherwise he might just have been protecting GH....:whip:

[Prince Cobra]

Unvote:woad&fangs Vote:Quintus I warn you guys.....we have no way of telling if BQ is telling the truth.....:shrug: and the mafia will likely drop to two kills tonight....(In Godfather three....me and beefy agreed it was a good idea early on) If BQ survives tonight....we need to lynch him....or otherwise he might just have been protecting GH....:whip:

If he is right about the Quintius name there is high chance of telling the truth, I think.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Quintus

Time will tell if Banquo has been leading us in the right direction or not.

thanks for saving my behind though. :sweatdrop:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh, and Challenge: Beskar.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Oh, and Challenge: Beskar.

Why would you do that?

If you believe me, both Beskar and you are innocent. To challenge him means that there is a chance you will duel, and we will lose another loyal samurai for no reason.

Pride can be satisfied after we find the traitors.

[Dutch_guy]

Oh, and Challenge: Beskar.

So you're doing this even after Banquo named him as an innocent ?

:balloon2:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm doing it to stay suspicious enough so I don't get nightkilled.

[White_eyes:D]

I'm doing it to stay suspicious enough so I don't get nightkilled.

But I already tossed your name up there???:juggle2: your clearly up to something GH:inquisitive:

[Prince Cobra]

I'm doing it to stay suspicious enough so I don't get nightkilled.

Hmm, it is possible that he was just resting in his room. Not all of the assassins are engaged with killing. Of course, the others are priority but we should not exclude automatically anybody. So I do respect your decision GH :bow:

[atheotes]

For now i believe BQ' reveal is true...
Vote: Quintus.JC

[Banquo's Ghost]

Of course, the others are priority but we should not exclude automatically anybody. So I do respect your decision GH :bow:

Indeed not. There are those that are immune from my investigations.

Quintus.JC is a priority because I know he is ninja. KukriKhan must be examined very carefully. But wilfully damaging acts such as Generalhankerchief's might just have betrayed more than he wished. My investigation of him gave exactly the same result as other innocents, whereas Kukri's stood out, but it is an act of idiocy - or disregard for Lord Takeda's safety - to put pride or indeed personal security in the way of a Takeda victory. Coincidentally, it also undermines my claims, which threatens our master further.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Vote: Quintus JC

[Beskar]

You know, Stephen Asen would just try to kill me even if the God of Mafia-roles revealed his identity. Your evil tricks won't work Stephen, I will get you before you get me.

Also, Steven is the better name.

[atheotes]

If he is right about the Quintius name there is high chance of telling the truth, I think.

Yes... the name claim has given us the possibility of more evidence... if Quintus hadnt claimed a different name we might be unsure about BG's claim even after the lynch writeup... :2thumbsup:

[Prince Cobra]

You know, Stephen Asen would just try to kill me even if the God of Mafia-roles revealed his identity. Your evil tricks won't work Stephen, I will get you before you get me.

Also, Steven is the better name.

Interesting claim, indeed. :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

Yes... the name claim has given us the possibility of more evidence... if Quintus hadnt claimed a different name we might be unsure about BG's claim even after the lynch writeup... :2thumbsup:

*note to self....atheotes is trying VERY hard to drum up BG's claim*

:thinking2:

[Yaropolk]

Finally something concrete, sayanora sucker!

unvote
Vote: quintus

[Chimpyang]

hello everyone,
due to an unfortunate series of events, I will no longer be able to participate further in this game :(, getting the vomiting and diarrhea bug at the same time as flu AND as well as having my laptop motherboard die on me has meant that I'm only going to be infrequently able to check the forums.

Andres - if someone wishes to take over my spot - since I am "still alive" by mean please reallocate!

Anyhow, I had fun in the bit I managed to get involved in and look forward to reading the rest when the game is concluded

[Reenk Roink]

Good work Banquo :2thumbsup:

[Splitpersonality]

I'd be glad to take over a role, I've got nothing else going on :P

[Gregoshi]

May Honour strike true this day. My spirit grows restless for justice.

[Beskar]

hello everyone,
due to an unfortunate series of events, I will no longer be able to participate further in this game :(, getting the vomiting and diarrhea bug at the same time as flu AND as well as having my laptop motherboard die on me has meant that I'm only going to be infrequently able to check the forums.

Andres - if someone wishes to take over my spot - since I am "still alive" by mean please reallocate!

Anyhow, I had fun in the bit I managed to get involved in and look forward to reading the rest when the game is concluded

Being honest, no one should be jumping into the game, especially at this point in time, it is a kick in the teeth for those who ended up getting lynched/night killed earlier on when they could have potentially stayed in the game.

However, I hope your illness isn't pig related.

[Andres]

Voting concluded. Stand by for execution.

@people who died and is now volunteering to replace somebody: thank you, but unfortunately, I cannot accept players who have previously died in the game as replacements later on; only people who weren't part of the game when it started can be considered as replacements.

:bow:

[Splitpersonality]

I figured as much anyway, just throwing my hat in the ring just in case. I was first night killed ya know :P

Oh well, good luck with your recovery Chimpyang

[Beskar]

No problem, I was just speaking generally anyway, I dislike replacements. If they are a mafia-role, they get an unslightly massive advantage, if they are just a town role, it is pretty pointless in the replacement and rubs salt on those who went out earlier.

[Andres]

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~




Day 6 - Conclusion


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/seppuku.jpg

Hour of the Monkey

The man known as Fujimoto Kumiko (Quintus.JC) looked around him. They had accused him of being the notorious ninja, Hisao Majurama.

He simply smiled. At this moment, it didn't matter. He had failed his master and he would now die. He was at peace with himself. There was no dishonor nor shame in dying in the service of your Lord. Only regret.

He looked up and watched the darkening sky. The clear sky showed a full moon. He heard a crow caw. He looked into the direction of the sound to see the bird fly away. For a moment, it seemed like its' silhouette was drawn on the moon cirkle.

The condemned watched how the bird disappeared into the dark winter evening. Calmly, he picked up the clean, sharp knife in front of him. He opened the belt of his clean white kimono and pointed the knife at his belly.

With a strong push, he pierced the knife through skin, flesh and organs.

Before he could lose his selfcontrol, the blade of his kaishakunin struck quick and mercifully.

Lord Takeda nodded to the body of the condemned, stood up and left the platform in silence.

The samurai bowed deeply when their Lord went inside and then prepared for the night.


~~~

Yoshikuni Takumi (Tristan de Castelreng) tried to get up again, but his back blocked. No matter how hard he tried, he couldn't get up. His superior officer ordered him to get up and stand guard, because it was Yoshikuni's turn. Yoshikuni started to explain that his back hurt too much and he couldn't get up, let alone go stand guard. The officer yelled at the man, clearly displeased. He accused Yoshikuni of laziness and not wanting to fullfil his duties. Yoshikuni explained to the older samurai that he really couldn't get up, he was in real pain. The older samurai said that only a lazy samurai would claim that he got pain. He unsheeted his katana and chopped off the unfortunate Yoshikuni's head, yelling that there would be no place for laziness in Lord Takeda's winter residence.


~~~

Tally:

Quintus.JC: 18 (Stephen Asen, atheotes, Sasaki Kojiro, Kagemusha, woad&fangs, Beskar, Yaropolk, AggonyDuck, Kukrikhan, Rhyfelwyr, White_Eyes:D, ajaxfetish, Peasant Phill, GeneralHankerchief, Banquo's Ghost, Yoyoma1910, glyphz, Dutch_guy)

GeneralHankerchief: 2 (Wishazu, Quintus.JC)
Beskar: 1 (Ichigo)

not voting: 9 (FactionHeir, Chimpyang, CountArach, Tristan de Castelreng, taka, Caius, Psychonaut, Seamus Fermanagh, Gobbledygook)


~~~
Challenges:

1. Sasaki Kojiro vs. Seamus Fermanagh
2. Yoyoma1910 vs. Yaropolk
3. Stephen Asen vs. Beskar
4. White_Eyes:D vs. AggonyDuck


~~~

Alive (28):

GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Kukrikhan
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
taka
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk


Killed (21):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder



Fallen in battle (5):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187


Lynched (5):
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC


WoG/Suicide (4):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng

~~~


It's now night; PM's please. Night will last until 21.00 (GMT+1), that's until +/- 23 hours after this post.


:bow:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, I think Andres made it pretty clear that we got one. Let's hope Banquo lives through the night.

[Caius]

Sorry people, but I could not follow this game as I was expected to do. Uni takes me a lot of time which I don't have, I think if I can't keep the game I'll give the place to other.

By the way, people, can someone explain to me why Beskar has not been lynched yet? He gives us problems, even he tried to lead the bandwagon against SA. Was him right? What happened there?

[Beskar]

1) I thought SA was a mafia member at that time.
2) I am innocent town role.
3) I don't cause problems.
4) All of the above.

[TinCow]

By the way, people, can someone explain to me why Beskar has not been lynched yet? He gives us problems, even he tried to lead the bandwagon against SA. Was him right? What happened there?

Two days ago, I looked more guilty. In the last day phase, BG revealed as an investigator of some kind and fingered Quintus and Kukrikhan. Quintus was thus lynched. At the moment, it appears that Kukrikhan will be tomorrow's lynch. In summary, Beskar has not been lynched as he has never been the top suspect during a particular day phase.

[Reenk Roink]

Beskar should be lynched before Kukri.

[Beskar]

That is stupid.

[KukriKhan]

Well, I think Andres made it pretty clear that we got one.

I'd like to agree with that, but: in what way do you think Andres "made it pretty clear"? I've re-read the death scene several times, looking for "pretty clear", and I don't see that. Do you mean the imagery of the crow against the moon? Or the crow cawing, therefore imitating Peter's cock-crow vis-a-vis Jesus?


Let's hope Banquo lives through the night.

That I agree with 100%. I'm anxious to see another night or two's investigative results from him.

[Caius]

Beskar should be lynched before Kukri.

Based on what?


That is stupid.

Based on what?

[Haudegen]

Kukri,

would you mind posting your role-name (or role-pm) here in the thread?

[Beskar]

Based on the fact I am innocent and been proven numerous times, even by pro-towns roles. Really.

[Quintus.JC]

Well, I think Andres made it pretty clear that we got one. Let's hope Banquo lives through the night.

How? Where? I don't see anything. :book:

Banquo's Ghost and Generalhankerchief both needs to be lynched.

[KukriKhan]

Kukri,

would you mind posting your role-name (or role-pm) here in the thread?

If you think it will help:

Kukrikhan

Gamo Ujisato – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Gamo-san

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!


Thinking on it, I hope I'm killed tonight, and not Banquo's Ghost. I can still assist while dead, and town won't waste a lynch opportunity on me.

COME AND GET ME, EVIL TRAITOR SCUM!!!!

[Beskar]

KukriKhan became his biggest fan after wanting to lynch him twice.

[KukriKhan]

KukriKhan became his biggest fan after wanting to lynch him twice.

I've known and worked with BG quite a long time, and know that being a non-contributor (townie lurker) was extremely out of character for him. So I surmised he was

1) mafia
2) in big RL trouble, or
3) a townie-helper role (detective or doctor)

My votes, cast when bandwagons on other players were ongoing, were designed to get him to speak up, not kill him. And they achieved that purpose. We've ruled out #2, and the chance that he's just a lurking townie.

His reveal does not entirely clear him of suspicion; he may yet be clever mafia. But if so, he'll have to continue the charade for now, and I'm interested to see who else he fingers as innocent or guilty.

[AggonyDuck]

I've known and worked with BG quite a long time, and know that being a non-contributor (townie lurker) was extremely out of character for him. So I surmised he was

1) mafia
2) in big RL trouble, or
3) a townie-helper role (detective or doctor)

My votes, cast when bandwagons on other players were ongoing, were designed to get him to speak up, not kill him. And they achieved that purpose. We've ruled out #2, and the chance that he's just a lurking townie.

His reveal does not entirely clear him of suspicion; he may yet be clever mafia. But if so, he'll have to continue the charade for now, and I'm interested to see who else he fingers as innocent or guilty.

How do you explain the fact that he knew the names of both you and Quintus?

[KukriKhan]

How do you explain the fact that he knew the names of both you and Quintus?

I have to assume that Andres furnishes that info with the investigative results. Like this:

"Your investigation of KukriKhan, aka Gamo Ujisato, reveals: inconclusive."

But the straight answer to your question is: I don't know.

-edit-
Plus, I revealed my playerName 19 April (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2214530&postcount=216). Maybe he recorded and tracked that info

-edit 2-
LOL, Gregoshi beat me to the punch. :laugh4:

[Gregoshi]

I have to assume that Andres furnishes that info with the investigative results. Like this:

"Your investigation of KukriKhan, aka Gamo Ujisato, reveals: inconclusive."

But the straight answer to your question is: I don't know.
Kukri, you don't remember?

Uji introduction (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2214530&postcount=216)

Do we assume that because Kukri doesn't remember this that he's scummy? I'm still trying to sort out what makes scummy behaviour.

[Gregoshi]

Do we assume that because Kukri doesn't remember this that he's scummy? I'm still trying to sort out what makes scummy behaviour.

After some more reflection, I'm thinking this is seemingly scummy. Kukri went to some effort to find Japanese characters for his (cover) name and a graphic symbol, but he doesn't remember it. There must have been other things keeping his mind busy since then. :shifty:

[AggonyDuck]

The interesting thing is that both Kukri and Quintus revealed their names early on.

[KukriKhan]

After some more reflection, I'm thinking this is seemingly scummy. Kukri went to some effort to find Japanese characters for his (cover) name and a graphic symbol, but he doesn't remember it. There must have been other things keeping his mind busy since then. :shifty:

Google was my friend. I got those from here (http://www.geocities.com/azuchiwind/oda12.htm) and wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamō_Ujisato).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Kukri has sidestepped every accusation made thus far...

[Caius]

Did you copy it from your PM, Kukri?

[Beskar]

I believe BQ didn't get their names that way though, because ultimately, he would say my name was Kurosaki Yoshi.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I am aware of who Kato Danzo is. There are several who masquerade under false names - do you think the master of ninjas would not be one of them? As I said, KukriKhan has provided me with no direct evidence of his guilt, but the investigation of him, whilst identifying him as innocent, gave clues completely different from the rest of my investigations which all yielded the same result.




Night 1:
TinCow is innocent. However, you found a book in his room, Mario Puzzo's "The Godfather". You also found his diary. Seems like TinCow has been dreaming of joining a mafia family.

Husar wasn't at home that night. You found some objects suggesting an interesting sex life. Husar is innocent.

Night 2:
GeneralHankerchief and pevergreen are both innocent.

Night 3:
Privateerkev wasn't in his room when you investigated it. You found his belongings. Nothing out of the ordinary. Privateerkev seems to be a boring townie.


TinCow was innocent (at the time) and Husar was innocent. Privateerkev was GUILTY.

So we have good reason to believe that the different result on Kukri means that he is guilty as well.

[KukriKhan]

Did you copy it from your PM, Kukri?

My name? Yes.

[Gregoshi]

My name? Yes.
Not just your name, but the whole PM you posted surely came from your role PM...but was that the whole PM??? ~;) Odd answer Kukri.

[KukriKhan]

He asked if I copied "it" from my PM. 'It' obviously was something other than my entire PM, rather something in it.

I guess I'd better start work on my murder haiku, LOL.

[Andres]

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~




Night 7 - Conclusion


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/katana.jpg


Hour of the Rat

Yamamoto Kansuke (Gobbledygook) was guarding the room of his master, as he had done so many times.

While time was passing, he examined his armor. It was perfectly clean, as it should be. The swordmaster was very proud of his clean armor. He looked at the naginata he held in his hands and examined it as well. It was in a perfect condition and, just like his armor, it was clean. While he was busy enjoying the beauty of his weapon and watching it a bit closer, he saw a black mark on it. He started shaking his head in disbelief. He looked again and then realized that it wasn't a mark, but a shadow. Fast as lightning, he turned around and struck at something behind him. He wasn't fast enough to hit his target. The ninja managed to throw a knife at his opponent, causing a severe injury at his left arm.

When the attacker heard the running footsteps of another guard, he quickly disappeared without being recognised.


~~~


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/ninja2.jpg


Hour of the Rat


Kago Junichiro (glyphz) was guarding the main entrance to the room of his Lord. While he was wiping off some imaginary dust on his armor, he heard sounds of a struggle at the opposite side of the room.


The swordmaster unsheeted his katana, yelled a battlecry and ran towards the noise.


While he was running towards the skirmish, he didn't notice the dark shadow hiding in a corner.


Kago saw his comrade reaching for his upper left arm, an expression of pain visible on his face. He also saw a man dressed in black running away. What he didn't notice, was the sharp katana of the other attacker striking for his neck.


The dark shadow quickly ran away. Yamamoto watched the head of his fallen comrade rolling on the floor, but he was too slow to catch the killer of his fellow swordmaster.


~~~


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/ninja.jpg


Hour of the Ox


Matsuura Asuma (Banquo's Ghost) went to his room. He took off his kimono and reached for his chest. He had heard some strange sounds earlier that night and they bothered him. He wondered what had happened.


He calmly prepared himself for the night, his body and spirit in perfect balance and harmony.

While he was reaching for his inner peace, his senses detected that someone was standing behind the door of his room. He quickly unsheeted his wakizashi and jumped forwards, aiming for where he suspected a killer to hide. His blow only destroyed paper and wood.


Matsuura looked puzzled. "I must be getting paranoid," he said to himself. Just as he was about to turn around, a man jumped at him and two strong, dark gloved hands were at his throat. It didn't take too long before Matsuura died. The killer pierced a dagger through his right eyeball, right into his brains, for good measure.


He left the scene unnoticed.


~~~

Day 7 - May the gods be with us.


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/snowlandscape.jpg


Hour of the Rabbit


Lord Shingen was thinking about the past. Under his leadership, his clan had fought and won many battles. A lot men had died under his command and many, many others had been slain by his troops. He laughed softly. To think that criminals who murdered one human being got executed while he, being responsable for the death of thousands, got worshipped. Maybe the events of this winter were a punishment of the gods. Or a joke? Would the gods have a sense of humor?


He shaked his head. He shouldn't be thinking like that. The battles and the killings weren't meaningless, they served a purpose. If the gods would allow it, he would one day unite the Empire and become shogun. He would bring peace and the killings would stop. The battles served a higher purpose! Criminals were just criminals, killing for their own personal gain. A daimyo served the noble cause.

With this in mind, he finished his breakfeast and prepared for another exhausting day.


The men standing outside were restless. It was only when Lord Takeda entered the courtyard that they became quiet. The Tiger didn't pay attention to the dead bodies, it was becoming a familiar sight.


Sitting at his platform, he picked up a scroll. He nodded towards Nakamura Kinji (White_Eyes:D) and Midorikawa Kaito (AggonyDuck). Both men bowed for each other and their Lord. A senior officer stepped forward: "No armor, no hidden weapons. Just katana and wakizashi." Both men nodded again.


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/duel.jpg


Nakamura stepped forward; his katana ready in his hand. His opponent unsheeted his sword. Nakamura dealt out the first blow which was blocked by Midorikawa, who immediately counter attacked.


Nakamura stepped aside, avoiding the deadly katana, but not without having it making a cut in his right arm. He quickly pierced his katana forward and allthough Midorikawa managed to avoid it, he twisted his ankle.


Both lightly injured men cirkled around each other, looking for an opening. A drip of sweat fell into Midorikawa's eye and he wiped it away with his left hand. Nakamura took the opportunity and jumped forward, his katana coming down for a fatal blow. Midorikawa looked up, but got blinded by the sun. He couldn't avoid the katana and the dead that it brought with it.

Sitting on his knees, looking at the blood flowing out of his body, he didn't notice the merciful blow which seperated his head from his body.


Nakamura bowed at his master, who nodded back.


Four samurai stepped forward to pick up the body of the fallen warrior. One of them, Gamo Ujisato (Kukrikhan) suddenly reached for his stomach. He fell on his knees and started to throw up. Apparently, he was in pain. Years of training and fighting battles couldn't prevent him from screaming it out in aggony. His comrades kneeled next to him, not knowing what to do. A few minutes later, Gamo Ujisato was dead. He died from an unknown cause...


~~~



Alive (24):

GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
taka
Rhyfelwyr
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk


Killed (24):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan


Fallen in battle (6):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck


Lynched (6):
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC


WoG/Suicide (4):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng

~~~


It's now day, you can start voting. Day will last until 21.45 (GMT +1); that's +/- 24 hours.



:bow:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, looks like the mafia cut their losses.

Vote: Kukri

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Dead from an unknown cause...interesting.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I feel like Seamus has been far to quiet.

[Husar]

Well Kukri, if you're mafia, I can imagine how it must feel having to lie to almost 60 people.

And Sasaki, if you can find a game where I was not innocent, you get a cookie. ~D

edit: somehow missed the end of the night so uhm, yeah, at least you can't lynch me for that anymore.

[KukriKhan]

H1N1, I guess.

Dang, I'd only gotten the first 2 verses done.

Old samurai sleeps
his duties discharged
.......................

Maybe I'll leave it that way.

Heh. What "Andres has made pretty clear" this time is BG really was a detective, and I was just a townie.

So, 24 remain breathing, of whom about 18 are town. Best of luck, fellas. I'll try to help you smoke out the bad guys.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The implication is certainly that kukri was a samurai--years of fighting battles and such. Of course, the traitors are samurai.

The kills are very interesting--two attacks on swordmasters--one a success (clearly the ninja master). Now, I don't remember the kill analysis of what killer does what so we'll need that, but haven't the ninja had three kills all along? So it looks like quintus was a ninja and the remaining three made kills. Which means no traitor kill. Have we eliminated them?

[Prince Cobra]

I am confused. Was it possible for Kukri to have been the secret role? Poison is certainly a good way to murder somebody. On the other hand, I still think that BG did not get all the info. He researched a character only for a night and it is still possible that he missed something...

Beskar, you dog is still confusing me but I really do not know what to do with you... Each time I challenge you, luck interferes and nothing happens. GAH!

Currently, I will not vote and will not make any challenges. Situation is grim. This will happen tomorrow.

[atheotes]

Well, looks like the mafia cut their losses.

Vote: Kukri

I believe Kukri is dead :clown:

unknown cause...heh... the plot thickens...

i am absolutely stumped...not sure who to vote...:shame:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Atheotes

and fos:Yaropolk while I'm throwing my gut suspicions out there.

[Gregoshi]

I'm going to have to digest what just happened. The ninja master seems to have struck. What is unnerving is that they struck simultaneously at two swordmasters. We are down to one. The poisoning of Kukri is also strange, especially that it didn't take place at night.

Why do I get this feeling that we are our own worst enemy? At least it seems that we did get one of the ninjas now that the master ninja is in play. But I don't find that much comfort, at least until the smoke clears - hopefully tomorrow night.

Unless someone has a useful revelation, there doesn't appear to be a solid lead for today's lynching, is there?

[AggonyDuck]

*sigh*

Bloody WhiteEyes.... :wall:

[Gregoshi]

Well, looks like the mafia cut their losses.

Vote: Kukri
Deja vu? I don't have time to look back right now, but why do I get the impression GH tends to challenge/vote for someone who just died? Or am I confusing him with someone else? Seems like this has happened before. :laugh4: or :inquisitive:

[KukriKhan]

I am confused. Was it possible for Kukri to have been the secret role? Poison is certainly a good way to murder somebody.

More likely, I was killed by a newly-activated secret role. I think this is one of the plot-twists/surprises Andres said he had in store for us.

His narrative kills me off in the same place he usually kills off WoG's, yet I'm not a WoG, as I've not lurked. So this whole thing is different now. I think we might have got a ninja with Quintus, and possibly a traitor earlier (YLC?). But now we have a poisoner.


....unless Andres just doesn't like me, and wanted me outta his game, so he wouldn't have to show embarrassing drunk-Andres pictures. :clown:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wow, I'm... off in this game. :laugh4: Non-regulars, please don't base your impressions of me off the horrid effort you see here.

Unvote: KukriCorpse

[woad&fangs]

suspects
FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White Eyes :D
Peasant Phill
Psychonaut
Taka
Rhyfelwyr
Atheotes
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Woad&fangs
Ajaxfetish
Dutch Guy
Yaropolk

All other players were shown to be innocent by BQ or appear to be swordmasters. I believe Caius and Taka have had a lot of real life obligations which have prevented them from being active. Wishazu and Kagemusha are both replacements. I would like to see a duel between the two of them.

[White_eyes:D]

*sigh*

Bloody WhiteEyes.... :wall:

:beam:


eliminated you as a suspect...:shrug:

It is to my shame that this is the only firm evidence of guilt I have gleaned, but I am sure of the innocence and loyalty of the following men still alive:


Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen
Tristan de Castelreng
glyphz
Gobbledegook I crossed off who was killed last night...and bolded who was attacked...it is likely they will knock off everyone on this list.....:shame:

[AggonyDuck]

I think the write up points out that we have two ninjas doing the killing and the traitor(s). Also BG, posting up that list of innocents publicly might have not been the best thing to do, as we had our two remaining swordmasters on it, propably due to CA asking you to check them. Now it looks like we will lose Shingen by the next two nights.

[AggonyDuck]

:beam:


eliminated you as a suspect...:shrug:


Which is what anyone with half a brain could have accomplished! I DON'T LIE IN MAFIA! UNDERSTOOD!!!!? :furious3:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Which is what anyone with half a brain could have accomplished! I DON'T LIE IN MAFIA! UNDERSTOOD!!!!? :furious3:

Don't blame white_eyes, blame Crazed Rabbit.

[White_eyes:D]

3. Glenn vs. Rhyfelwyr

Fujimoto Junishiro (Glenn) was back in his room. What was happening right now, was disastrous and he was very worried about his Lords’ safety.

On a more personal level, he had an extra reason (as if any more motivation was needed) to catch these ninja and to get out of here. That reason was called “Mariko”, his fiancée. After his third season of campaigning with the Takeda, her father had finally admitted that he was manly enough to marry his daughter. If this mess would end well, he would marry her before the next campaign would start.

Fujimoro smiled at the thought of the beautiful Mariko, his blossom.

Unfortunately, two strong dark gloved hands abruptly ended his dreams in a most cruel way, squeezing his throat until he died. The killer pierced a dagger through Fujimoro’s right eye, into his brains, for good measure and then left the room unnoticed. I think Rhyfelwry is one of our traitors......:whip: it's the only time I can see the Mafia killing a guy who was going to duel....:shrug: Vote:Rhyfelwyr
Challenge:Atheotes because I want to lower our suspect list a bit...(I will die with my wound:sweatdrop:)

[Husar]

...it is likely they will knock off everyone on this list.....:shame:

That's why it is not always a good idea to post a list of people you found to be innocent, I can see the use in short-term but obviously the long-term use is limited.
I can understand however that Banquo felt threatened and wanted to have posted it all before getting killed.

What I see now is a lot of black, maybe because I got killed or maybe because we still have quite a few killers and hardly an idea about who is guilty. I suspect the lurkers, wanted to do so earlier but that could have backfired as my post count in here wasn't exactly high either. :sweatdrop:

[AggonyDuck]

Alright, I will calm down. Just annoyed by the fact that I've been killed by the town twice in succession, despite me vouching for my innocence. Would had been nice to have atleast been killed by the bad guys and not have a townie waste a kill on me.

[White_eyes:D]

I think Rhyfelwry is one of our traitors......:whip: it's the only time I can see the Mafia killing a guy who was going to duel....:shrug: Vote:Rhyfelwyr
Challenge:Atheotes because I want to lower our suspect list a bit...(I will die with my wound:sweatdrop:)
You can check this....it's true:bow:

@AD: I am sorry I killed you.....but you know what?? It's a game about Lying....:stare:
(and we only had a 25% chance of fighting:shrug:)

[Prince Cobra]

Hmm, apart from Beskar (though I seriously consider another challenge on him)

Vote: Kagemusha

I find his comments subtle, with much useful info but not very helpful. He interferes cautiously into the disputes and I still remember the clever way he managed to reduce the pressure on himself right after his stepping in the game "Why do you not challenge me again, Sasaki" or sometrhing like that. In additoion, I am inquisitive about the real name of "The Shadow Warrior" that is Kagemusha. I also think he lurks too much (even when he is relatively free, I think)

For me he is one of the suspicious people around.

[AggonyDuck]

Alright, seems like integrity isn't appreciated in this game. Well, if people want lies, lies they shall get. :shame:

[Wishazu]

I`ve been away for 36 hours and alot has happened lol!

After reading everything, and hopefully not missing anything, I`m now convinced that Beskar is not innocent. Something about the way he responds to accusations reeks of desperation, like he lacks experience and subtlety in this game and is trying to deflect attention no-matter how mild. Besides he rejected an honourable challenge!

Vote Beskar

Ok, seeing as we`ve almost hit the end of the story, I no longer wish to hide under my bed covers. I still think his behaviour during his earlier duel was unforgivable so therefore...

Challenge Generalhankerchief

If he kills me, at least i go out in a blaze of gory glory.

[White_eyes:D]

Alright, seems like integrity isn't appreciated in this game. Well, if people want lies, lies they shall get. :shame:

??? why is that so strange? when I played my first Mafia game...the guy lied thur his teeth...even though, we pinned him as the Mafia....:shrug: I even was lynched when I was a detective(for the first time) in a game, when everyone ask the Mafia "Is it true??":juggle2: He basically said "no"...and had me lynched....:brood:

[Beskar]

I`ve been away for 36 hours and alot has happened lol!

After reading everything, and hopefully not missing anything, I`m now convinced that Beskar is not innocent. Something about the way he responds to accusations reeks of desperation, like he lacks experience and subtlety in this game and is trying to deflect attention no-matter how mild. Besides he rejected an honourable challenge!

Vote Beskar

Ok, seeing as we`ve almost hit the end of the story, I no longer wish to hide under my bed covers. I still think his behaviour during his earlier duel was unforgivable so therefore...

Challenge Generalhankerchief

If he kills me, at least i go out in a blaze of gory glory.

The pro-town role has confirmed the innocence of -
Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen
Gobbledygook

You just tried to take two confirmed innocents out of the game.

Vote: Wishazu


Have to admit, he screams scum, Mafia-role or not.

[AggonyDuck]

I`ve been away for 36 hours and alot has happened lol!

After reading everything, and hopefully not missing anything, I`m now convinced that Beskar is not innocent. Something about the way he responds to accusations reeks of desperation, like he lacks experience and subtlety in this game and is trying to deflect attention no-matter how mild. Besides he rejected an honourable challenge!

Vote Beskar

Ok, seeing as we`ve almost hit the end of the story, I no longer wish to hide under my bed covers. I still think his behaviour during his earlier duel was unforgivable so therefore...

Challenge Generalhankerchief

If he kills me, at least i go out in a blaze of gory glory.

And you just voted for one confirmed innocent and challenged another. Great work, I'm sure the mafia will need all the help they can get to reduce the known innocents among us.

[Quintus.JC]

Kuri was killed by the vigilante…

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:Rhyfelwyr Vote:Wishazu for ignoring the last page....and FOS: on everyone who doesn't read the evidence I found.....(I mean it's the only time a duel didn't take place....:furious3:)

Edit:Or have a chance to take place

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The pro-town role has confirmed the innocence of -
Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen
Gobbledygook

You just tried to take two confirmed innocents out of the game.

Vote: Wishazu


Have to admit, he screams scum, Mafia-role or not.

Wishazu also believed my duel score of 25 so I'm not sure he's paying a whole lot of attention.


Unvote:Rhyfelwyr Vote:Wishazu for ignoring the last page....and FOS: on everyone who doesn't read the evidence I found.....(I mean it's the only time a duel didn't take place....:furious3:)

Edit:Or have a chance to take place

Could have been a frame. Quintus was willing to challenge--so why would rhfelwyr be afraid of a fight?

[White_eyes:D]

Could have been a frame. Quintus was willing to challenge--so why would rhfelwyr be afraid of a fight?
Because he challenged rhfelwyr first....and that night, Glenn who challenged rhfelwyr first...(can't be taken back) ended up dead.....we have had no kills for those who have been dueling since.....WIFOM but it could be a screw-up by the traitor....and he also falls in the suspect list....LIKE ME:clown:

[ajaxfetish]

vote: Wishazu

For attacking two of BG's remaining confirmed innocents.

KukriKhan's death was particularly interesting. I can think of two explanations for the unprecedented MO. One (already suggested by Kukri) is that the secret role has been inactive up till now, and just started operating, possibly triggered by a recent event. Whether that secret role would be pro-town or anti-town I don't know. Two is that it is a result of one of Takeda Shingen's secret abilities. If convinced by Banquo, CountArach may have decided Kukri needed to go fast and had the means to ensure it happened.

I follow Woad&Fangs' logic that we need to focus on those who are not on BG's innocence list, and not our one surviving swordsmaster or our commander. Unfortunately that list is not as short as I'd like, and he and I are both on it. I will gladly duel anyone of reasonable suspicion and not already high on the lynch list. As a veteran samurai, I expect I've a decent chance against the baddies, and since my innocence is not confirmed anyway, I'm more expendable than some and it's worth risking my life.

Also, I find some merit in White Eyes' accusation against Rhyfelwyr. It's possible that the ninja have low duel scores instead of high ones as most seem to have assumed; otherwise the prospect of taking them out by duels would be kind of pointless. Unless there are others I didn't notice as I skimmed back, Rhyfelwyr's challenge by Glenn is the only one to result in the challenger being night-killed before the duel could take place: possibly a ninja attempt to ensure a vulnerable member's survival.

Ajax

[Beskar]

I will admit, Ichigo is another suspicious one in my opinion, he voted for me after BQ's post for instance calling me scummy, also, he was active in the beginning then went into the background. Also, the case against Rhyfelwyr sounds plausible, I probably would have voted for it.

Unless Wishazu proves that he is "Very mistaken", I am not going to change my vote, to protect GeneralHankercheif at least. What he did was fundamentally "flawed".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I will admit, Ichigo is another suspicious one in my opinion, he voted for me after BQ's post for instance calling me scummy, also, he was active in the beginning then went into the background. Also, the case against Rhyfelwyr sounds plausible, I probably would have voted for it.

Unless Wishazu proves that he is "Very mistaken", I am not going to change my vote, to protect GeneralHankercheif at least. What he did was fundamentally "flawed".

Explain his thought process as mafia for me. Something like:

"Everyone believes that banquo is a detective and that the people on his list are innocent. Therefore I will try and get them lynched, because no one will go along with it and everyone will vote for me"

~:confused:

[Beskar]

Explain his thought process as mafia for me. Something like:

"Everyone believes that banquo is a detective and that the people on his list are innocent. Therefore I will try and get them lynched, because no one will go along with it and everyone will vote for me"

~:confused:

It could be a WIFOM itself or could be that they are a friend of the mafia and thus tried to draw attention away from them. :clown:

Anyway, I am not changing my vote till possibly closer to the voting time anyway and see what happens in the thread, people are happy to vote how they are pleased as long as it isn't a name or a challenge to some one on that list. :smash: However, I really like woads&fangs argument, it is a very good case.

[Reenk Roink]

If it turns out that a doctor role was alive I will :wall:...

You should lynch Beskar. :bow:

[FactionHeir]

I'm somewhat skeptical of BG's reveal...couldn't it be possible that he was mafia and just saying all those people are innocent when some of them are actually town and others his buddies? Getting himself killed would be a sacrifice and his buddies could decide to kill 1 less to make it seems that Quintus was indeed guilty etc.

Just something to keep in mind as we enter the end game, to be prepared for certain twists.

Now, for the moment let's assume BG's list is correct since we still got quite a large number of players left. In that case, I think Rhyf, Aggony and Kagemusha might be most suspicious.

[Dutch_guy]

You should lynch Beskar. :bow:

You pushed for his death last round as well, I take it you don't believe the reveal - or do you have other reasons ?

:balloon2:

[Gregoshi]

Now, for the moment let's assume BG's list is correct since we still got quite a large number of players left. In that case, I think Rhyf, Aggony and Kagemusha might be most suspicious.
Could AggonyDuck just be pretending to be beheaded? :laugh4: We should lynch him to be sure! Sorry FH, but your are the second person in the last couple of hours to want to go after a dead guy. :laugh4:

[Reenk Roink]

You pushed for his death last round as well, I take it you don't believe the reveal - or do you have other reasons ?

:balloon2:

I don't have an opinion on the reveal, but I had... information before I died. At least challenge him. :bow:

[FactionHeir]

Damn, that's what I get for going travelling over the weekend....at least I didn't vote him :grin:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I don't have an opinion on the reveal, but I had... information before I died. At least challenge him. :bow:

Done.

Challenge: Beskar

[ajaxfetish]

Possible hints in Andres' writeup of Quintus' death.


The man known as Fujimoto Kumiko (Quintus.JC) looked around him. They had accused him of being the notorious ninja, Hisao Majurama.
'The man known as Fujimoto Kumiko,' rather than just 'Fujimoto Kumiko.' Also he doesn't show any reaction to the accusation of being Hisao. He doesn't acknowledge it as truth, but neither does he deny it or express frustration at being wrongfully incriminated.


He had failed his master and he would now die. He was at peace with himself. There was no dishonor nor shame in dying in the service of your Lord.
He cares only about serving his Lord, but there is no indication of who that lord is. It could be Takeda Shingen. Or it could be the ninja master, or even Uesugi Kenshin. Also, he regrets failing his lord. If he's loyal to Takeda, I'm not sure what he might consider his failure. Failure to find and kill all the ninja? It can't mean just failure to protect Takeda as CountArach is still alive and well. However, if it means failing the ninja, it has clear meaning. He has failed to take Takeda Shingen's life.

Andres said the hints would be subtle. I don't think we could expect much more than this.

Ajax

[Caius]

Wishazu and Kagemusha are both replacements. I would like to see a duel between the two of them.
What for?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sorry for the double post, but I had a challenge in the last one and thus didn't want to edit it. I think we should hold off on Kage for a while. His standard behavioral pattern in these kinds of games is to kind of blend in, until the endgame comes and he becomes more of a factor. I think we should at least wait for the numbers to go down more before we take a look at him.

[Beskar]

Done.

Challenge: Beskar

That was really... stuff it, I am going to just do this instead. :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: :furious3: and that is directed against a bunch of you that deserve it.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Sasaki:

You are correct, I have not posted in this thread for some time. Fri-Sat-Sun AM were the Virginia Knights of Columbus Convention, Field agent attendence is mandatory (as well as decent business practice). My Laptop battery malfing and failing to take a charge left me without internet access. Here at home, I have options.

Cannot blame you for pressuring me, I deserved it. Glad I didn't end up dead.

I though BG was a player -- he'd been too quiet in the BR for his norm -- but I was thinking ninja, not detective. I had thought Gregoshi a detective.

Vote: Kukrikhan

BG's suspicions plus a sense of your posts that is off. You're the only one trying to scream "it's the endgame" already -- and it strikes me that you are trying to elicit some desperation.

Your math is off, by the way. We can rapidly dispatch players we suspect of being anti-town by a)lynching and b) duels with Count Arach suggesting a challenger for any suspect. CA's data will make selecting a good champion relatively easy.

[woad&fangs]

Looking back at some of Kagemusha's posts, I would have to agree with GH. Kage looks innocent to me. The fact that him and Wishazu were replacements made me think that they might have taken over important roles. Neither one looks very scummy to me at this point.

vote: Dutch Guy

You haven't had much pressure yet.

[Beskar]

Seamus, you voted for a dead guy.

[ajaxfetish]

And Seamus joins GH in voting for the newly dead. This is going beyond a trend. It's becoming a way of life.

Ajax

[Rhyfelwyr]

Vote:Wishazu

For not reading all the evidence against me.

[glyphz]

Vote: Kukrikhan

BG's suspicions plus a sense of your posts that is off. You're the only one trying to scream "it's the endgame" already -- and it strikes me that you are trying to elicit some desperation.

Your math is off, by the way. We can rapidly dispatch players we suspect of being anti-town by a)lynching and b) duels with Count Arach suggesting a challenger for any suspect. CA's data will make selecting a good champion relatively easy.
KukriKhan died already, rather unexpectedly...
Had expected the killers to comb through Banquo's list of innocents, and hopefully a night or 2... but, man... tough luck.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Is this town having a laff? ~:confused:


Half of the players that are voted for are either dead or are on the innocent list. Well...'innocent list'...'dead men walking'-list seems more appropriate. Those that haven't been attacked last night by the ninjas are quickly being killed by the town. :shame:


Beskar (though I seriously consider another challenge on him)

Challenge Generalhankerchief

Done

Challenge: Beskar




I am sure of the innocence and loyalty of the following men still alive:


Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen
Tristan de Castelreng
glyphz
Gobbledegook

[GeneralHankerchief]

I wonder if Banquo passed on his PMs to anybody before he died. CA, perhaps?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Too many posts, too much skimming. Didn't read the last para of the summary properly. :shame:

Unvote: Kukrikhan, Vote: Abstain

Stephen Asen, you level a case against Kagemusha -- clear enough. I don't see much of a style difference from him though, between this and other games. More thoughts?

[KukriKhan]

Had I known I'd be this popular dead, I'd have fallen on my katana long ago. :clown:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Let's hope Banquo has a few more names for us. CountArach has been missing for a few days, it seems. He hasn't even told us whether Rhyfelwyr send in his duel rating or not.

Maybe, with the rather high chance of an innocent about to be killed in a duel, some good samurai swordsmen could challenge a few suspects? Just to lower the odds of a confirmed innocent having to partake involuntarily in a duel?


I'm still in the dark as to who is scum. Haven't been active behind the scenes. I do have got a little theory: both Quintus and Kukri have send in their duel rating to CA. According to CA's latest information, these people did not:
Peasant Phill
taka
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Tristan de Castelreng

Assuming that all the ninjas did send in their ratings, they should be on this list of players:

FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White Eyes :D
Peasant Phill
Psychonaut
Taka
Rhyfelwyr
Atheotes
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Woad&fangs
Ajaxfetish
Dutch Guy
Yaropolk

Worthy of note is that Quintus has made a challenge. (Against Beskar). Ninjas apparantly can engage in a duel without too much risk. This means that at least Quintus had a good duel rating. Maube the others too. Possibly, if a duel leads to an unlikely win, according to CA's statistics, we could be dealing with ninja.

[Gregoshi]

My Laptop battery malfing and failing to take a charge left me without internet access. Here at home, I have options.
Didn't your hotel have electrical outlets? I hate when that happens. :inquisitive:

[Gregoshi]

Is this town having a laff? ~:confused:

...Those that haven't been attacked last night by the ninjas are quickly being killed by the town. :shame:
Indeed. The duel appears to be a disaster for us simply because the challenge cannot be withdrawn and rashness on the part of players without open discussion before issuing their challenges. :wall:

[Louis VI the Fat]

The ninjas are clever. By attacking two names from the list, they increased the chance of the town lynching an innocent today. Not, however, as clever as they may had hoped: by their very act of attacking both BQ and two names from the list, the ninjas showed to all that BQ's reveal was genuine.

There would've been attacks on innocents anyway. Making last night's ninja actions a net plus for the town: we would've lost to kills anyway, but now we know the list to be genuine.

Furthermore, I think it was a good idea to make the list public. The scum by definition knew who was innocent, whereas we did not. Pity that BQ couldn't be protected.


In the absense of anything remotely resembling a case, maybe Wishazu would make a decent lynch target.

Possibly he wasn't paying close attention when he both voted Beskar and challenged GH, both innocent. Possibly, he was. However that may be, lynching him will prevent his duel with innocent GeneralHankerchief.

But, that will leave GH v Beskar as today's sole challenge. Innocent v innocent. So lynching Wishazu is only sensible when there are other challenges around - lest we be sure that an innocent will die in a duel. I would propose some challenges on possible suspects today. Currently, of the four dueling players, three are innocent. So if you have always wanted to make a challenge, today would be the right time methinks.

[KukriKhan]

Indeed. The duel appears to be a disaster for us simply because the challenge cannot be withdrawn and rashness on the part of players without open discussion before issuing their challenges. :wall:

True. But in the early stages of a 60-player game, town can afford the luxury of indulging townies, frustrated at having no active role, venting and taking a random shot at scoring a hit. Thus, it's popularity. Waiting 24+ hours for night phases to complete, when you're playing ETW, studying for exams, playing 3 or 4 mafia games... can be challenging for a player.

But at this stage, it can get expensive, in terms of needless townie deaths.

With an unkillable town-boss (CountArach), I would think that right about now potential duellers would ask his permission to duel, and await approval, to avoid thinning the ranks.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think atheotes and yarapolk should challenge each other.

Peasant phill needs to die too.

[Gregoshi]

According to CA's latest information, these people did not:
Peasant Phill
taka
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Tristan de Castelreng

Assuming that all the ninjas did send in their ratings, they should be on this list of players:

FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White Eyes :D
Peasant Phill
Psychonaut
Taka
Rhyfelwyr
Atheotes
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Woad&fangs
Ajaxfetish
Dutch Guy
Yaropolk

To correct this list, Kage did send in a battle rating (link (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2224845&postcount=1373)) and Tristan was WoGed due to withdrawing from the game. Rhyfelwyr made a plea to CA twice to confirm that he had sent in his battle rating. CA never replied, but then, CA has not posted in this thread since Rhyfelwyr's pleas.

[KukriKhan]

To correct this list, Kage did send in a battle rating (link (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2224845&postcount=1373)) and Tristan was WoGed due to withdrawing from the game. Rhyfelwyr made a plea to CA twice to confirm that he had sent in his battle rating. CA never replied, but then, CA has not posted in this thread since Rhyfelwyr's pleas.

Therefore PeasantPhil and taka make pretty good lynch candidates.

Town (that is: you living guys) have at 'em.

Phil and taka: explain yourselves. Non-compliance will probably get you killed soon.

-edit-
Thanks, Gregoshi for massaging the list. :bow:

[Gregoshi]

True. But in the early stages of a 60-player game, town can afford the luxury of indulging townies...
But we've given the ninjas/traitors one full nights worth of kills for a 10% chance of getting lucky vs a 10% chance risk of killing a special role townie? Seems like a poor trade off especially in light of losing both geisha's early and one of our better duelists via luck.

But this is a non-constructive discussion to the task at hand. Sorry.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unfortunately, I don't think we can leave any innocent names off the list, although we can ignore them for a while. There's too many games that have ended in mafia victories because of subtle changes in wording on Detective investigations. Unless Banquo passed the exact PMs onto CA before he died, then I'm going to play it safe. In addition, Reenk strongly hinted that Beskar had a role of some kind, and I don't think that Reenk would be bluffing to us in this kind of game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmm, ok I believe this is the best stategy. CA seems absent and the town needs some direction.


Sasaki Kojiro

Takeda Shingen – The Tiger of Kai

Konishiwa, Shingen-sama,


You are the REAL Takeda Shingen. The man leading the samurai during the day is one of your top generals, Tada Mitsuyori (CountArach), who serves as your Kagemusha.

To the public, your identity will remain hidden and you will pretend like you are one of the veteran samurai.

Your disguise if very convincing:




Sasaki Kojiro

Hamano Michiyo – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Hamano-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

You are allowed to contact the Kagemusha, and his bodyguards as well through pm.

The bodyguards are:



- Husar (Miyamoto Musashi);
- Gobbledygook (Yamamoto Kansuke)
- glyphz (Kago Junichiro)

SNIPPED

Battle rating : 5

Abilities:


SNIPPED

Victory conditions:
Major victory : outlast the ninja and the traitors – you survive;
Minor victory: outlast the ninja and the traitors

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:


So, your lords orders for today:

Lynch Yarapolk

I think I'm voting Atheotes so: unvote:Atheotes,vote:Yarapolk

Peasant phill: challenge atheotes
atheotes: challenge peasant phill

no other challenges.

There are some other people we need to get to...but not today.

[GeneralHankerchief]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

~:rolleyes:~:rolleyes:~:rolleyes:~:rolleyes:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I suppose Husar, Gobbledeygook, and glyphz aren't allowed to confirm, and I don't want any of the others to reveal just for this. How in contact have you and CA been? Whose idea was it to try to get everybody's battle rating?

Also, have you considered the possibility of a swordmaster being the traitor? There was definitely a similar mechanic in Midgard II.

[TinCow]

Oh, please. That's obviously fake simply because Sasaki left in the name of a living 'bodyguard'. He's not that foolish.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Why would he fake it at this time? Having been "cleared" by Banquo, who was seemingly killed by the ninjas (down to stabbing the "eye" as a detective calling card) and whose reveal I believe, Sasaki would be labelling himself as the Godfather of the ninjas (innocent result leaves only this choice). Even if he pulled it off for a while, he would eventually get lynched and lose the whole shebang.

Do you think Sasaki would rely on WIFOM for this many rounds as his only defense when he's ALREADY wandering around with an innocent result?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Seamus

Sorry man, but you gave yourself away with this:


down to stabbing the "eye" as a detective calling card

I'm going over the alive people thinking of who would do something like that, and you stand out far and away.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Seamus is my top suspect from the "innocent" list...not sure it's the best strategy to go after them just yet though.

[GeneralHankerchief]

As far as I'm concerned, we have at least guilty person hiding on our innocent list. With CA pulling a JimBob, we can't unfortunately end this now as we don't know what Banquo's PMs exactly said.

[CountArach]

Alright sorry everyone for my complete absence from the game for the last 4-5 days. Things just keep building up on me and I've been incredibly busy (And drunk...). I will try to get through as much of the thread as I can tonight (Though I have a Latin assessment due tomorrow that was brought forward... and I haven't started) and try to comment on something... anything...

[Beskar]

Wait, what? So we have an innocent list and two people on it who are innocent are saying it is fake?

This is not making much sense, then again, you have... very mistaken people keep on trying to vote and duel me, after I been proven to innocent.

There are words I want to say about each and everyone of you during this game at times, really.

[Csargo]

Vote:Psyconaut

He's posted elsewhere but not here, so he gets my vote for now since Beskar was investigated. GH why did you vote Seamus? Why do you want to lynch Yaropolic Sasaki?

[Quintus.JC]

Possible hints in Andres' writeup of Quintus' death.


'The man known as Fujimoto Kumiko,' rather than just 'Fujimoto Kumiko.' Also he doesn't show any reaction to the accusation of being Hisao. He doesn't acknowledge it as truth, but neither does he deny it or express frustration at being wrongfully incriminated.


He cares only about serving his Lord, but there is no indication of who that lord is. It could be Takeda Shingen. Or it could be the ninja master, or even Uesugi Kenshin. Also, he regrets failing his lord. If he's loyal to Takeda, I'm not sure what he might consider his failure. Failure to find and kill all the ninja? It can't mean just failure to protect Takeda as CountArach is still alive and well. However, if it means failing the ninja, it has clear meaning. He has failed to take Takeda Shingen's life.

Andres said the hints would be subtle. I don't think we could expect much more than this.

Ajax

Andres is probably mirroring real life actions, I didn't berate town badly for this, so he wrote it in the write-ups. While for your second point, didn't Tincow had similar lynch write-up, and he was supposed to be 'innocent' on BG's list...

I'm really perplexed about BG's death...

[Wishazu]

LOL! I`m a suspect now :embarassed:

I challenged GH because I simply don`t belive he is innocent despite what the so-called detective stated. The clues in this game are going to be subtle at best but everyone seems to have ignored GH`s behaviour in his earlier duel(sorry can`t remember his opponent) when he attempted deliberately to dishonour his adversary. Why would that even be mentioned if it wasn`t meant to point to something. I stand by my challenge, I will probably die anyway as he is obviously skilled at dueling. Besides I`m getting bored and would rather die by the sword than wait to be slaughtered like a sheep.

However, as a loyal samurai I believe Sasaki is our true master, or at least he is the kagemusha. So i`m going to change my vote in response to his orders.

unvote Besker

Vote Yaropolk

[Banquo's Ghost]

With regard to posting the innocent list, this may well have been a mistake, but bear in mind that I am quite a newbie at this. Moreover, I was quite sure from the pattern of killings (as well as my belief in Kukri's role) that my number was very soon up. Since the rules state that nothing can be shared in PM that has not been revealed in public, I could not send my information to anyone -especially as I was here without the permission of Lord Takeda. A public reveal was my only option, and just stating my concerns about Quintus.JC would not have convinced. I thought if the town knew about my investigations, it might give them an edge.

I did however, make a serious mistake, which may still be used to good effect. I had to check the rules on my reveal, and in doing so, I inadvertently posted a list in alphabetical order.


Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen
Tristan de Castelreng
glyphz
Gobbledegook

And those that have perished:

Crazed Rabbit
Reenk Roink
Sigurd
TinCow
Gregoshi

Except that whilst waiting for clarification, I took glyphz and Gobbledegook off the list, replacing them later (as with Gregoshi) but no longer in alphabetical order. I believe this explains why they were targeted - my error gifted the bad guys a clue, that maybe those names were roles.

I am embarrassed, but it may reveal that the mafia are very experienced in these games, and can spot even the tiniest of clues.

For now, I am dead. There is nothing I can share that you haven't seen already, because of the rules.

[AggonyDuck]

Whoooo! My crazy theory was correct! :2thumbsup:

[Husar]

Oh noes, we're done. :end:

[TinCow]

Why would he fake it at this time? Having been "cleared" by Banquo, who was seemingly killed by the ninjas (down to stabbing the "eye" as a detective calling card) and whose reveal I believe, Sasaki would be labelling himself as the Godfather of the ninjas (innocent result leaves only this choice). Even if he pulled it off for a while, he would eventually get lynched and lose the whole shebang.

I'm not saying Sasaki is scum, but you don't have to be scum to pull off a fake reveal. The only thing of any substance Sasaki has accomplished with that post is to make Gobbledygook a target. Thus, it is likely fake because Sasaki would not give out that kind of information unless it would produce some useful result to him.

[edit]Just realized Goobleetc. was attacked last night and survived. Thus, ignore the above, as Sasaki had nothing left to protect since Gobble's ID was already out there. That'll teach me to skim the alive results when verifying info.


Do you think Sasaki would rely on WIFOM for this many rounds as his only defense when he's ALREADY wandering around with an innocent result?

This is a strange thing to say. Sasaki was relying on WIFOM for defense? Sasaki has never been under serious pressure the entire game. He hasn't needed a defense of any kind, let alone WIFOM. Why would you say something like that?

FOS: Seamus


With regard to posting the innocent list, this may well have been a mistake, but bear in mind that I am quite a newbie at this. Moreover, I was quite sure from the pattern of killings (as well as my belief in Kukri's role) that my number was very soon up. Since the rules state that nothing can be shared in PM that has not been revealed in public, I could not send my information to anyone -especially as I was here without the permission of Lord Takeda. A public reveal was my only option, and just stating my concerns about Quintus.JC would not have convinced. I thought if the town knew about my investigations, it might give them an edge.

It was not a mistake, you did the right thing. Both our scum have been killed, and your other results remain useful, if not conclusive. At some point, a detective has to get his results out. Often, this is the only method that works. You've served the town well.

[Kagemusha]

My five cents is that if the town wants to win now is the time to start systematically voting people outside Banguos list and challenge them systematically so two people can be offed each round from the remaining suspects. It is time to start out killing the ninjas and traitors. So for my part: Vote: Ichigo

[KukriKhan]

My five cents is that if the town wants to win now is the time to start systematically voting people outside Banguos list and challenge them systematically so two people can be offed each round from the remaining suspects. It is time to start out killing the ninjas and traitors. So for my part: Vote: Ichigo

I agree (from the grave). Banquo's Ghost list may be bogus, but we have no way to prove or disprove that. Therefore, with the timeframe available, we're forced to assume the list is valid, and go after those not investigated. And quickly.

[Yaropolk]

Wow, Sasaki tried to kill me while I was sleeping at night IRL! :smash:

Sasaki - if you're going to level accusations against me then provide your reasons. I don't have a defense. I think my behavior and voting record will speak for itself. I am a conservative player and have based all my votes only on concrete facts with full explanations not on WIFOM piss matches.

I don't know if your reveal is real or just a ploy to defend the real CA, but I think you're an important pro town role either way. I will challenge: atheotes to show that the pm I'm posting below is real. I believe there is still room for 1 challenge.





Yaropolk

Shinohara Yuuko – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Shinohara-san

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

[Dutch_guy]

LOL! I`m a suspect now :embarassed:

I challenged GH because I simply don`t belive he is innocent despite what the so-called detective stated. The clues in this game are going to be subtle at best but everyone seems to have ignored GH`s behaviour in his earlier duel(sorry can`t remember his opponent) when he attempted deliberately to dishonour his adversary. Why would that even be mentioned if it wasn`t meant to point to something. I stand by my challenge, I will probably die anyway as he is obviously skilled at dueling. Besides I`m getting bored and would rather die by the sword than wait to be slaughtered like a sheep.

However, as a loyal samurai I believe Sasaki is our true master, or at least he is the kagemusha. So i`m going to change my vote in response to his orders.


Well Banquo did give us someone who's lynch description gave us at least a subtle indication of guilt, Quintus. I believe him to be our detective, and therefor believe his list. GH's duel, while out of the ordinary, does not equal guilt per sé and in my opinion does not warrant a vote.

And as for Sasaki's 'reveal', I don't know what to think. He's been pulling stunts like this for ages now.

Vote: Wishazu

:balloon2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wishazu seems just a bandwagon. If you want to bandwagon why not pick peasant phill? He's just been dropping by to vote.

Suspicious bandwagon vote by dutchguy

Since yaropolk is fighting a duel now I'll unvote:yaropolk

Will decide whether to vote for seamus or peasant phill.

[atheotes]

Looks like there are couple of challenges on me... :wall:

fow what its worth:

Default Swords in the Moon - role pm
atheotes

Fujimoto Kazunari – samurai

Konichi wa, Fujimoto-san

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

Last year was your first year campaigning with the Takeda army and you are proud on your first set of scars.

You are still young, but you know the way of the warrior. You live to serve your Lord and you would be honored to die in his service.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 3

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

[TinCow]

Will decide whether to vote for seamus or peasant phill.

I agree that both of these are decent lynch options.

[Paradox]

FoS: Rhyfelwyr for Glenn's death before he had the chance to duel Rhyfelwyr, I find it highly unlikely that a mafia would decide to kill someone who was about to duel.

Vote: Seamus

[GeneralHankerchief]

Seamus needs to die immediately. If he's not a bad guy, I'll give up Total War forever.

[Kagemusha]

Seamus needs to die immediately. If he's not a bad guy, I'll give up Total War forever.

What do you know we others dont?

[FactionHeir]

Since we have established that the mafia have cover PMs (given what Gregoshi said), posting standard reveals isn't going to mean anything (besides them already being in the thread with rating).


Seamus needs to die immediately. If he's not a bad guy, I'll give up Total War forever.

Well, I found you scummy but I figured not to consider you while we assume BG was honest. While I read your case on Seamus, it doesn't seem exactly strong (or maybe I'm not seeing something you do?)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Seamus

Wishazu 5 (beskar,white_eyes,ajaxfetish,rhyfelwyr,Dutch_guy)
Seamus 3 (GeneralH,Gobblydegook, Sasaki)
Yarapolk (Wishazu)
Psychonaut (Ichigo)
Ichigo (Kagemusha)
kagemusha (stephen asen)
Dutch_guy (woad & fangs)


Challenges
White eyes vs atheotes
Wishazu vs General Hankerchief
GeneralHankerchief vs Beskar
Yarapolk vs Atheotes

The whole purpose of revealing was to get some organization into the town...but activity seems low, and wishazu is far in the lead for what? Trying to lynch people who aren't confirmed innocent? We have no way of knowing whether the ninja master is investigation immune--seems likely to me.

Vote for Seamus

Peasant phill really needs to die as well...argh. I suppose we can get him tomorrow.

[Prince Cobra]

Stephen Asen, you level a case against Kagemusha -- clear enough. I don't see much of a style difference from him though, between this and other games. More thoughts?

His style is slightly... strange. He talks but says nothing. I am also positive he has the ability and innovative thinking to play an important role against the Tiger of Kai. The behaviour of his predecessor also seemed to be slightly strange. These are my main suspicions for him. I think he shall be observed carefully.

Waiting for sign from my superiors.

[Kagemusha]

Vote:Seamus

Wishazu 5 (beskar,white_eyes,ajaxfetish,rhyfelwyr,Dutch_guy)
Seamus 3 (GeneralH,Gobblydegook, Sasaki)
Yarapolk (Wishazu)
Psychonaut (Ichigo)
Ichigo (Kagemusha)
kagemusha (stephen asen)
Dutch_guy (woad & fangs)


Challenges
White eyes vs atheotes
Wishazu vs General Hankerchief
GeneralHankerchief vs Beskar
Yarapolk vs Atheotes

The whole purpose of revealing was to get some organization into the town...but activity seems low, and wishazu is far in the lead for what? Trying to lynch people who aren't confirmed innocent? We have no way of knowing whether the ninja master is investigation immune--seems likely to me.

Vote for Seamus

But should we not get rid of the ninjas as well? Which is the better aproach? Lynch and challenge those who are not confirmed innocent in any way or those who are atleast investigated by someone?

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:Wishazu Vote:Seamus fine:stare:....I was just mad, that he ignored the evidence I presented......:shame:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, basically Seamus's calling attention to the fact that the Detective got stabbed in the eye set off serious alarm bells. There a few things wrong with this:

- Standard mafia move of calling attention to something otherwise unnoticed in the kill write-ups, because they put it there.
- In line with the above, I didn't even think twice about this feature until he pointed it out.
- As Seamus says, the eye is a symbol closely related to detective-ness (I believe it comes from the old Pinkertons). I'm not sure of how many people are aware of this, however. I originally became aware of it... through Seamus.

Behold, Seamus's commentary (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1346283&postcount=881) from Mafia V, in which he was mafia and used a similar symbol when offing who he believed to be the Detective.


Probably have to add one to the next kill – more work. The unblinking eye symbol was and is the logo of the Pinkerton DETECTIVE agency – no more to it than saying I’m hunting detectives. Didn’t mean to cause confusion with that.

I am almost certain that we've got one here.

-edit- I believe there are other instances in which he refers to this symbol and its relation to Detectives, but at the moment I'm a bit busy to be post hunting.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

But should we not get rid of the ninjas as well? Which is the better aproach? Lynch and challenge those who are not confirmed innocent in any way or those who are atleast investigated by someone?

I can't remember when the deadline is and I keep missing it--to me it's a choice between peasant phill and seamus. No one else is voting peasant phill unfortunately and we need to bump seamus over wishazu.

[Kagemusha]

I can't remember when the deadline is and I keep missing it--to me it's a choice between peasant phill and seamus. No one else is voting peasant phill unfortunately and we need to bump seamus over wishazu.

Then Seamus it is.:bow: Unvote and Vote: Seamus

[FactionHeir]

GH: Many of the previous writeups also had the stabbing the eyeball part, it isn't unique to BG's murder - standard first/second ninja calling card so far.

[GeneralHankerchief]

They did? :dizzy2: Gah, I'm worthless in this game.

[Prince Cobra]

Unvote:Kagemusha
Vote: Seamus

I hope this will comtribute to the triumph of the Takeda Shingen. Long live Shingen-sama!

[FactionHeir]

Hmm I've just reviewed it and its not entirely standard:

N2: by Traitor
N5: By SK/brutal ninja
N6: By SK/Brutal ninja
N7: By Traitor

[atheotes]

well this could be my last vote considering my low battle rating and 50% chance of dueling :sweatdrop: (25% chance of fighting a swordsmaster :furious3: )...

Vote: Seamus

[atheotes]

Can someone tell me why FactionHeir hasnt been under any suspicion? :inquisitive:
i am sure missed i have missed a lot of detail... but very suspicious about him...

[Andres]

I can't remember when the deadline is and I keep missing it--to me it's a choice between peasant phill and seamus. No one else is voting peasant phill unfortunately and we need to bump seamus over wishazu.

If it can help, this round will end within 1hour 40 minutes.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: Seamus
Vote: Peasant Phill

Call it cold feet after FH's revelation.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote:Seamus
vote:peasant phill

Wishazu 4 (beskar,ajaxfetish,rhyfelwyr,Dutch_guy)
Seamus 5 (Gobblydegook, White_eyes,Kage,stephen asen,atheotes)
Peasant Phill 2 (GeneralH, Sasaki)
Yarapolk (Wishazu)
Psychonaut (Ichigo)
Dutch_guy (woad & fangs)

I would prefer peasant phill but the risk of wishazu lynch is not good...I think we can swing it though.

We absolutely need three more on peasant phill though...I'll switch back to seamus before deadline if we don't get it.

[Prince Cobra]

Unvote: Seamus

Vote: Peasant Phill

The word of Lord Takeda and a strange Pm activity of PP during the night phase. :bow:

Edit: Takeda servants from all Nippon: Unite!

[Yoyoma1910]

*blip*



Putting vote in unedited post.

[Yoyoma1910]

Sometimes Haiku's are hard,

Sorry for the sprawl of posts.

~:(

[Yoyoma1910]

I shall now today,
Lend you the blade of my tongue:
And Vote: Peasant Phil.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wishazu 4 (beskar,ajaxfetish,rhyfelwyr,Dutch_guy)
Seamus 4 (Gobblydegook, White_eyes,Kage,atheotes)
Peasant Phill 4 (GeneralH, Sasaki,Stehpen asen, yoyoma)
Yarapolk (Wishazu)
Psychonaut (Ichigo)
Dutch_guy (woad & fangs)

Hmm, will need two more on phill. Since he can vote...

[FactionHeir]

OK.
vote: Phil

[Csargo]

Unvote:, Vote:PP

[Peasant Phill]

And here I thought I could stay alive this time.

Vote: Wishazu

If it helps I sent CA my ratring several days ago. I can also state that noting suspicious can be unvealed from my voting record.
Also I find that this voting for me went just a little to fast. Orchestrated perhaps? Maybe something someone should look into.

Better start writing my euligy.

[Andres]

Voting concluded. Stand by for execution.

[seireikhaan]

They did? :dizzy2: Gah, I'm worthless in this game.
At least you've been keeping pace... I keep drowning in the flood. :sweatdrop:

[Andres]

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~




Day 7 - Conclusion


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/birdinsnow.jpg


Hour of the Monkey

It was a bitter cold evening, but Maeda Kaito (Peasant Phill) hardly noticed it. It snowed. Big flocks made the silent white carpet thicker. A carpet, softer than his bamboo mat.

Silly that at this moment, his latest moments on this world of love and tears, he was thinking about his bamboo mat. But not so silly once you realized how much time a man spends on his mat. Sitting, eating, meditating, cleaning his weapons, resting, all of it occured on that bamboo mat. He wondered how the old vendor, who had sold him the mat would be doing right now. Would he still be alive? Or would he be up there?

Maeda looked up and saw a little bird flying. Is it the reincarnation of the old vendor, he wondered. The old man was nice and friendly. A lower class man, of course, not a samurai, but still, a friendly old man. And his mat was of outstanding quality.

The condemned looked down. He wasn't sitting on a mat right now, but on cushions, covered with clean, white silk. In front of him a sharp knife, clean as well.

He opened his white kimono. It was also clean. For this occasion, this moment of a noble death, the clean white, cushions, sheets, kimono, snow, were fitting.

His strong arms pierced the dagger through his skin, through flesh and organs. The blade of his kaishakunin ended his suffering swift and mercifully.

Lord Takeda nodded respectfully to the remains of the condemned.

In the meanwhile, Kamui Gunshin (Psychonaut) and Obana Yusuke (taka) had been busy. In fact, they had been very busy the last couple of days and nights. They had been so busy, that they had forgotten to put on some clothes and to eat. Unsurprisingly, running around naked and without food nor sleep, at these freezing temperatures and in this climate, was deadly. They were so busy, that they didn't realize that they were severely undercooled. Now they were very busy with dying...



~~~

Tally:

Peasant Phill: 6 (Stephen Asen, GeneralHankerchief, FactionHeir, Ichigo, Sasaki Kojiro, Yoyoma1910) :skull:

Wishazu: 5 (Peasant Phill, Beskar, Dutch_guy, Rhyfelwyr, ajaxfetish)
Seamus: 4 (Gobbledygook, atheotes, Kagemusha, White_Eyes:D)
Yaropolk: 1 (Wishazu)
Dutch_guy: 1 (woad&fangs)
abstain: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)

Not voting: 6 (taka, Psychonaut, Yaropolk, Chimpyang, CountArach, Caius)


~~~
Challenges:

1. White_Eyes:D vs. atheotes
2. Wishazu vs. GeneralHankerchief
3. GeneralHankerchief vs. Beskar
4. Yaropolk vs. atheotes


~~~

Alive (21):

GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Gobbledygook
Rhyfelwyr
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk


Killed (24):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan


Fallen in battle (6):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck


Lynched (7):
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill


WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng
Psychonaut
taka

~~~


It's now night. PM's please. Night will last +/- 24 hours (that's until 22.00 GMT+1).




:bow:

[atheotes]

Alright sorry everyone for my complete absence from the game for the last 4-5 days. Things just keep building up on me and I've been incredibly busy (And drunk...). I will try to get through as much of the thread as I can tonight (Though I have a Latin assessment due tomorrow that was brought forward... and I haven't started) and try to comment on something... anything...

CA, your absence is hurting the town :whip:...Can you confirm if Sasaki's PM quote is true? Were there any PMs from BG about his investigations?

[atheotes]

At Andres: you forgot to remove taka and psychonaut from the Alive list....

[Quintus.JC]

Gunshin and Yusuke are idiots. :sweatdrop:

We love you Andres :laugh4:

[Gregoshi]

It appears we missed the mark again. :wall:

I'm reminded of this exchange in the Star Trek movie The Wrath of Khan:

Kirk (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000638/): Khan, you bloodsucker. You're going to have to do your own dirty work now! Do you hear me? Do you?
Khan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001544/): Kirk? You're still alive, my old friend?
Kirk (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000638/): Still, "old friend!" You've managed to kill everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!
Unfortunately, we are playing the role of Khan. Ours is a superior intellect. :shame:

[TinCow]

It appears we missed the mark again. :wall:

I wouldn't count on a smoking gun in the lynch write-up even if we were accurate. Andres' hints are very, very subtle, and are often difficult to detect except in hindsight. For PP's lynch, the thing that stands out is the "mat." Does anyone with greater knowledge into the time period know whether the ninja had some time of special (training?) connection to sitting on a mat for extended periods? More so than samurai?

[Gregoshi]

TinCow, the thoughts of the condemed are extremely serene for a killer. The thoughts of "love and tears", the mat, comfort, the "nice and friendly" vendor and the repeated emphasis on "clean" stand out to me.

However, just to drive myself crazy, perhaps you are right. Perhaps it is a bit too serene. Take Sasaki's post about Privateerkev in the Trapped in Taormina game:

Night 3:
Privateerkev wasn't in his room when you investigated it. You found his belongings. Nothing out of the ordinary. Privateerkev seems to be a boring townie.
And Privateerkev was mafia.

I don't see how you guys play this all the time and maintain your sanity. :wall:

[FactionHeir]

I'm trying to figure out if the bird thing might be any hint.
Problem is, not every day has a bird appearing during lynch time (the hour of which also differs).

The only time the bird was very different was when QJC was lynched - a crow. So maybe its only 1 confirmed guilty lynched.

[Reenk Roink]

Amazing how fast someone can be condemned in this game! :2thumbsup:

[seireikhaan]

I don't see how you guys play this all the time and maintain your sanity. :wall:
Maintain our what? :inquisitive:

[glyphz]

I wouldn't count on a smoking gun in the lynch write-up even if we were accurate. Andres' hints are very, very subtle, and are often difficult to detect except in hindsight. For PP's lynch, the thing that stands out is the "mat." Does anyone with greater knowledge into the time period know whether the ninja had some time of special (training?) connection to sitting on a mat for extended periods? More so than samurai?The mat?
My first impression of the lynch write-up, including that of the mat, was that of someone who was very much inactive during the course of the game ...which would fit PeasantPhil's activity this game (5 posts by the end of Day 7, not including sign-up post), and the reason behind his lynch.
:shrug:


:edit: Time spent on the mat, compare it to say time spent on duty, contributing to the discussion (w/ Andres making use of a person's behavior to make the write-ups unique).

[Gregoshi]

The mat?
My first impression of the lynch write-up, including that of the mat, is that of someone who was very much inactive during the course of the game ...which would fit PeasantPhil's activity this game (5 posts by the end of Day 7, not including sign-up post), and the reason behind his lynch.
:laugh4: Good observation glyphz.

[Peasant Phill]

I wouldn't count on a smoking gun in the lynch write-up even if we were accurate. Andres' hints are very, very subtle, and are often difficult to detect except in hindsight. For PP's lynch, the thing that stands out is the "mat." Does anyone with greater knowledge into the time period know whether the ninja had some time of special (training?) connection to sitting on a mat for extended periods? More so than samurai?


He opened his white kimono. It was also clean. For this occasion, this moment of a noble death, the clean white, cushions, sheets, kimono, snow, were fitting.

I think this says it all. Subtle but persisting hints.

Probably good catch on the use of the mat in the write-up. Laying low is a tactic of mine.

[Gregoshi]

Laying low is a tactic of mine.
Is six feet under low enough? :laugh4: I should talk - I'm a rottin' geisha. :sadg:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Is six feet under low enough? :laugh4:

Burn!!

:laugh4:

[glyphz]

LOL
:laugh4:
(though my current position, in game, isn't any better either. Can't keep my head on, while trying to come to my comrade's aid. :stwshame:How lame...)

Your continued presence, 'postmortem,' is much appreciated, Gregoshi.
Here's hoping to see you in future mafia games.
:bow:

[Crazed Rabbit]

I don't see how you guys play this all the time and maintain your sanity. :wall:

Well it's actually quite easy when you've got the bears in your attic doing the soundtrack for your homework.

CR

[Husar]

Amazing how fast someone can be condemned in this game! :2thumbsup:

So do you have a detailed analysis on all 65 or so people or should we just wait another 5 rounds and see if anything substantial comes up?
I mean yes, in some cases it all feels rushed etc. but when discussion levels are low, experienced players quiet, others lie etc. that's sometimes the only hints you have... :shrug:

[TinCow]

The mat?
My first impression of the lynch write-up, including that of the mat, was that of someone who was very much inactive during the course of the game ...which would fit PeasantPhil's activity this game (5 posts by the end of Day 7, not including sign-up post), and the reason behind his lynch.
:shrug:


:edit: Time spent on the mat, compare it to say time spent on duty, contributing to the discussion (w/ Andres making use of a person's behavior to make the write-ups unique).

This makes a lot of sense and I am inclined to agree with it.

Turn the pressure back up on Seamus.

[CountArach]

I have had six shocking days straight... couldn't have been at a worse time... SORRY EVERYONE.

First off, I can confirm two things:
1) Everyone has sent me their duel ratings.
2) Sasaki is indeed telling the truth. I am merely his Kagemusha who takes his place in public.

Ummm... I don't think there's much more I really need to say at this point, except to apologise again to everyone and to say that I will answer any questions asked of me.

[Yaropolk]

1) Everyone has sent me their duel ratings.


Rhyfelwyr - sorry I've been trying to lynch you for 3 days due to not sending in rating, nothing personal.

[FactionHeir]

If you are his Kgemusha, who is Kagemusha then? :clown:
(oh yes, using this smiley guarantees a GH vote ~:))

In any case, I am rather confused why you would admit to this publically, thus helping the mafia?

[Haudegen]

If you are his Kgemusha, who is Kagemusha then? :clown:
(oh yes, using this smiley guarantees a GH vote ~:))

In any case, I am rather confused why you would admit to this publically, thus helping the mafia?

That´s what I was thinking. But on the positive side: the mafia probably finds this very confusing too. :2thumbsup:

[Gregoshi]

In any case, I am rather confused why you would admit to this publically, thus helping the mafia?
Like you and Haudegen, that was my first reaction, but getting into the mindset of this game, is that so? Or have things got more confusing for the ninja? With one swordmaster left, "Shingen"'s life was on the line. The Kagemusha Gambit opened up the possibilities that Shingen could be any of the townies. I say "any of the townies" because offering up a sacrifice (in this case Sasaki) seems to be a common tactic in these games. Am I thinking right or am I off the mark?

The lack of being able to obtain any physical evidence is maddening about this game - even then you can't trust the gatherer. I feel my soul corrupting day by day. :laugh4:

[Beskar]

Well, we know who the night kills are.

Gobbledygook
CountArch
Sasaki

I would be highly surprised if not.

[Gregoshi]

I guess it is foolishly hopeful that the ninja are down to one kill a night...

[TinCow]

Like you and Haudegen, that was my first reaction, but getting into the mindset of this game, is that so? Or have things got more confusing for the ninja? With one swordmaster left, "Shingen"'s life was on the line. The Kagemusha Gambit opened up the possibilities that Shingen could be any of the townies. I say "any of the townies" because offering up a sacrifice (in this case Sasaki) seems to be a common tactic in these games. Am I thinking right or am I off the mark?

The one thing that has never been in doubt is that Sasaki's reveal was not casual or ignorant. Sasaki's arguments can be playful and amorphous, but his actual in-game moves are always well thought out and well calculated. The danger is not that he will make a bad choice, but that he is not on your side and thus that his choices are not going to benefit you.

The point of this is that it's impossible to say whether Sasaki's reveal is true or not. However, we don't need to determine whether it's true or not, we only need to determine who's side he's on. If he is on the town's side, the best thing to do is simply to assume that he's doing the right thing and roll with the punches as they come. If he isn't on the town's side, letting him control the town in this manner is exceptionally dangerous and will likely lead to our defeat.

Based on CA (someone stated as pro-town in the rules) vouching for him, this is one of the few games in which Sasaki's allegiance points strongly in one direction. That said, he's still Sasaki. If anyone has ever discovered a reliable method of determining whose side he's on in mafia games, I haven't heard of it.

In summary: Don't worry about whether Sasaki is who he says he is or not. Go along with it, but keep your eyes open and be sure and point out any inconsistencies or errors you see in his behavior.