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Prince Cobra
04-23-2009, 07:34
Well, you are going to kill me tonight. So it is an end to me.
Your obstinacy knows no limits. Your ignorance does even better.
I have no intention to kill you in the night.
Your obstinacy knows no limits. Your ignorance does even better.
I have no intention to kill you in the night.
Ah, so you are going to keep me alive so people won't suspect you? :P
Prince Cobra
04-23-2009, 07:59
Ah, so you are going to keep me alive so people won't suspect you? :P
I have no intention to keep you alive if you continue in the same way. Unfortunately, I have only two options: to persuade the others to remove you or to kill you in a duel.
Yet, I can not hide you are one of my suspect.
I'm sorry guys. But its great fun! Join us! :yes:
Look on the funny side of it at least.
It's not great fun if you have to skim over the thread and put the votes and challenges into an excel sheet. It already takes almost an hour each day phase to do it without confusing usernames and avatars :mean:
I'd like to ask each "new pever" playing in this game to: a) put his previous username in his custom member title and his sig; b) change the avatar. It would be very much appreciated.
Also, to Vuk and other pevers that are NOT participating in this game, it would be very much appreciated if you did not post in this thread to avoid anymore confusion.
Thank you for your understanding.
:bow:
pevergreen
04-23-2009, 08:16
I hope non players are not posting to create confusion deliberately. :no:
Seamus Fermanagh
04-23-2009, 12:04
And please don't edit a tally that's more than a few minutes old. I do track votes -- have since CN1 for most games -- and it makes Seamus sad and confused (even more so than usual).
@Mod: I humbly offer to replace a WOG target...
Louis VI the Fat
04-23-2009, 13:54
Sigurd
1) If Sigurd was absent owing to Real Life, then why didn't anybody say so? After he's been lynched, suddenly it turns out half the players knew he had RL time issues? :inquisitive:
Preventing dangerous players from lurking is a good strategy. Get people talking, get them participating until they mess up. It works.
Unfortunately, the rapid speed of the bandwagon was unforeseen and unintentional. Oh well, it was probably too late for both those who voted him and for those who knew* about Sigurd's RL time constraints to do anything about it. Time flies in this game.
*Or was it? Were some people, fully aware of the reasons behind Sigurd's absense, quite happy to see him lynched, to hide in a bandwagon?
Pever
2) I find the peversprawl very confusing. Which are in the game, and which are not? Only Pevergreen?
LittleGrizzly
3) What's with the LittleGrizzly clan? Why are they presumed innocent?
LG has a clan? Who are they?
Ok, Chaotix changed to peverbrown and I'm seriously NOT HAPPY about this nonsense.
As it is now, I put about 2 to 3 hours a day in Swords in the Moon. I like doing it, it's not a burden at all, but still, 3 hours is alot considering that I have a full time job, a wife and family that needs attention.
I believe now 4 or 5 players have changed their username in pever[randomcolor] and are using the same avatar. This is a serious pain in the :daisy: for me since it makes skimming the thread and counting the votes much more difficult and I will make mistakes because of this (the alternative is probably 15 to 30 minutes extra a day for double (actually triple) checking and I am not going to do that because of your idea of "fun").
I gently asked (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2218796&postcount=754) all pevers to have a) a different avatar; b) put their previous usernames clearly in your sig and as custom user title. None has done so far.
This takes away alot the enjoyment of hosting and apparently alot of players are NOT happy with it either.
Apparently, gently asking is not sufficient, so I'll make this crystal clear:
Except for pevergreen (you can keep your avatar and username as it is), all pevers have exactly 48 hours to do what I asked or they will be removed (WoG) from this game.
I will not send pm's for this, you are supposed to read the thread anyway.
Yes, I'm not amused.
Splitpersonality
04-23-2009, 14:10
Out of the pevers I know I'm in the game as well.
but I was a first night kill :P
pevergreen = pevergreen
Peverblue_ = Rhyfelwyr
Peverpurple = Thermal Mercury aka 777Ares777
PeverMauve = spL1tp3r50naL1ty
PeverYellow = YLC
PeverBrown = Chaotix
:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:
Second to be lynched ... yay :laugh4:
Sorry guys, I have been struck by a serious case of Sinusitis and I can barely look at the flickering of a screen (even though it is a LCD) for more than a few minutes at a time.
Boudica's council of magi has been the one I have prioritised. I shall as soon as I get better get back to this and help out as the good townie I am. :beam:
Louis VI the Fat
04-23-2009, 14:33
Except for pevergreen (you can keep your avatar and username as it is), all pevers have exactly 48 hours to do what I asked or they will be removed (WoG) from this game.Does this mean we can safely assume none of the Pevers have a crucial role in the game? ~D
Thanks for hosting, and especially for insisting I join. I am enjoying this game - how could I even have thought about giving preference to my real life!?
LG has a clan? Who are they? PeverLittleGrizzly and PeverReenk Roink. Maybe there were other recruits. I don't know what the deal is.
Reenk Roink
04-23-2009, 14:37
PeverLittleGrizzly and PeverReenk Roink. Maybe there were other recruits. I don't know what the deal is.
You don't.
:stwmean: You are a danger to our dojo. I will suggest methods to Master to eliminate you. :2thumbsup:
Does this mean we can safely assume none of the Pevers have a crucial role in the game? ~D
You can assume whatever suits you best. I can't guarantee the safety of your assumptions though ~;p
Thanks for hosting, and especially for insisting I join. I am enjoying this game -
My pleasure :bow:
how could I even have thought about giving preference to my real life!?
Silly Louis ~:pat:
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2009, 15:02
Don't WoG them, Andres. Just up my duel score by 500 or so and let me at them. :charge:
Death is yonder
04-23-2009, 15:26
The massive numbers of pevers are a "tad" confusing when analyzing stuff :juggle2::juggle2:.. I know not who is who anymore... :wall:
So many pevers
I am totally confused
heed Andres's request...
Who else is going to be a pevert?
(a pever convert)
White_eyes:D
04-23-2009, 15:45
Who else is going to be a pevert?
(a pever convert)A lot of guys who play mafias who came over from TWC.....TH you are a bad man....:whip:
Making them your peverts:clown:
Peasant Phill
04-23-2009, 18:20
Damn,
This is the second time I'm reading the entire thread, just to see I was to late to vote.
Gregoshi
04-23-2009, 19:41
Order has been restored to the universe.
Dawn approaches...:sweatdrop:
:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:
Thank you for the peverlist Ichigo, made it easier for me.
Thank you for the peverlist Ichigo, made it easier for me.
No problem, but I just copied TC's list and added a couple names.
~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~
Night 3 - Conclusion.
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/ninja2.jpg
Hour of the Rat
Hamano Kazuma (Chaotix27-Peverbrown) didn’t feel very well after the last proceedings. It seems like he had caught some sort of pever. He decided to go to bed early.
While he was taking off his kimono and putting his two swords on the standard he had inherited from his father, he didn’t notice the man in the room adjacent to his.
Shivering from high pever, he quickly jumped under the silk sheets. He hardly noticed how the man opened the door and entered his room. Covered in sweat, Hamano seemed to start hallucinating; he heard some sort of whisper in the air, saying “domo arigato”.
The next moment a knife was being stabbed in his throat, destroying his larynx and preventing him to make a sound. A second stab through his heart ended his life quick.
The killer carved the following words in the body of his victim: “Dou itashi mashite”.
~~~
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/ninja.jpg
Hour of the Rat
Hamano Masaya (Thermal Mercury - Peverpurple) was standing guard. He wasn’t paying much attention, since he was dreaming of better days, about times before he had to follow his Lord into battle after battle.
A samurai wearing full armor came near.
“That’s odd,” Hamano said to himself, “it’s still more than an hour until I should get replaced.”
The samurai calmly walked up to Hamano.
“Aren’t you a bit early? Or am I mistaken? After all, when you’re standing here in the freezing cold, it seems like forpever.”
The man wearing full armor shrugged.
“Oh well, since you’re so peaver to stand guard…”
A sudden breeze came up and it seemed to have words in it… “domo arigato.”
Hamano shivered and looked scared. “Did you hear…”
The knife in his throat ended his question. A second stab ended his life. The disguised ninja carved the following into the body of his victim: “Dou itashi mashite”.
~~~
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/shinobi.jpg
Hour of the Rat
Kin Hacirobei (pevergreen) was alone in his room, sipping on a cup of saké. He was thinking about his wife and children. His four sons would finally join the Takeda campaign next summer. Well trained, strong, young and enthusiastic, his sons would make great warriors, maybe even better samurai than he would ever hope to be. Kin laughed softly. Of course he would never tell that to his sons. The young ones still had much to learn about discipline, respect and obedience.
Kin took the bottle of saké and filled a second cup. When he was about to bring the cup to his mouth, he got hit on the head with a heavy object. While he was still recovering from the blow, a second blow hit him. And a third one, which broke his left arm.
Kin heard the sound of the object dropping on te floor. A kick in the stomach made him throw up his saké. A second kick on his head almost made him fall unconscious.
A sword was being unsheeted. Two strong hands in black gloves pushed on Kin’s throat until his larynx got broken, which prevented him from making anymore sounds. A mighty blow of the sword cut off his left leg. A second blow cut off the other leg. The loss of blood mercifully let Kin lose conscience. The killer continued his work and soon the room was all covered in blood and flesh, leaving a gruesome sight.
~~~
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/blackkatana.jpg
Hour of the Ox.
Okichi (Gregoshi) put away her samurai clothes and armor. It came as a relief and she felt free. Before putting up her make-up and geisha clothing to go out to entertain somebody, she decided to get some sleep.
“Interesting,” the man silently entering her room said to himself.
A wakizashi was being unsheeted. The man took one last look at Okichi’s extraordinary handsome features before slitting her throat. He cleaned his sword on her sheets, sighed and left the room unnoticed.
~~~
Day 3 - Would this go on forpever?
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/Kofu.jpg
Hour of the Rabbit.
The Tiger was sipping on a cup of tea when he heard the sound on the courtyard. He sighed.
Some samurai were building piles of wood, others couldn't help themselves staring at the bodies, the gruesomely butchered remnants of Kin in particular.
In complete silence, the Tiger entered the courtyard. All samurai stopped their activities and bowed deeply for heir master. Shingen looked at the scroll in front of him. He waited in complete silence and then pointed at Michishige Michiyo (Ichigo) and Saruwatari Takumi (Ignoramus).
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/duel.jpg
Both samurai bowed for Lord Takeda. A senior officer nodded to both men. "No armor, no hidden weapons, just katana and wakizashi."
The samurai bowed to each other and unsheeted their katana's.
Michishige moved forward. It seemed like he wanted to end this quickly and he his katana struck in the direction of Saruwatari's neck. The younger samurai quickly jumped aside and counterattacked, aiming for Michishige's left side. Michishige hardly managed to block the attack and stepped backwards.
Encouraged, Saruwatari jumped forward and his blade came down quickly. Michishige quickly jumped aside and struck with his katana, wounding Saruwatari on the left arm. Saruwatari screamed out of pain and frustration.
Yelling insults he attacked yet again. Michishige had difficulties blocking the constant attacks of his opponent. In his enthusiasm, Saruwatari stumbled. Michishige saw an opening on Saruwatari's right side and struck quickly. Saruwatari fell on his knees, his fingers touching the fatal wound. Michishige mercifully ended Saruwatari's pain by beheading him.
The samurai bowed deeply for his master who nodded respectfully in return.
After the duel ended and all bodies put on the woodpiles, the samurai started to discuss.
~~~
Alive (49):
TinCow
Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Glenn
Beefy187
Ichigo
Warluster
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Kukrikhan
Captain Blackadder
A Very Super Market
Louis VI the Fat
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
LittleGrizzly
taka
Jolt
shlin28
YLC
Reenk Roink
Rhyfelwyr
Beaver
AggonyDuck
El Diablo
Beskar
atheotes
Ibn-Khaldun
CountArach
Husar
Death is yonder
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
TosaInu
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
Crazed Rabbit
Haudegen
woad&fangs
Xehh II
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk
Killed (11):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Fallen in battle (2):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
Lynched (2):
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
WoG/Suicide (0):
~~~
It's now day, you can start voting. Because of RL, this will be an extended Day phase which will last until Saturday 9.30 am (that's +/- 36 hours from now). This will be followed by an extended night phase which will last for +/- 36 hours as well. After that, we'll be back on the regular schedule. Sorry for any inconvenience.
:bow:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2009, 20:36
Vote:TinCow
Very tempted to challenge...hmm. But it's just a strong gut feeling after all...I'll be patient.
atheotes
04-23-2009, 20:42
the mafiosi are pever haters :smash:... but thats not much of a clue... there are too many who hated the pever conversions :shrug:
excellent write-up Andres...nice improvisation :2thumbsup:
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2009, 20:45
Hah, awesome work mafia. :laugh4: 'cept for Gregoshi, of course.
Challenge: Peverblue_ (Rhyfelwyr)
Challenge: PeverMauve (Split Personality)
Challenge: Peveryellow (YLC)
Gregoshi
04-23-2009, 20:45
I failed...:shame:
woad&fangs
04-23-2009, 20:48
IC: I, Kago Ryou, humbly request that Lord Shingen give me the honor of dueling the last of the pevers. The one formerly known as "Ryfhelwyr".
Also, I ask if any of my fellow samurai have been with the secret Geishas during the past few nights?
edit: ooc: Wait?! YLC? There was another pever convert :freak:
"Dou itashi mashite" apparently translates to "you're welcome." While I am loathe to be grateful to mafioso for killing off townies, in this case I think I can make an exception. Thanks for disposing of a large segment of the pevers. :bow:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2009, 20:50
"Dou itashi mashite" apparently translates to "you're welcome." While I am loathe to be grateful to mafioso for killing off townies, in this case I think I can make an exception. Thanks for disposing of a large segment of the pevers. :bow:
:stare:
Dutch_guy
04-23-2009, 20:54
:stare:
Well it did cause a huge amount of confusion and that doesn't exactly help. Not to mention it being annoying when one reads through a couple of pages.
:balloon2:
Prince Cobra
04-23-2009, 20:54
Two dead geishas. :sick:
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2009, 20:56
Whoops, please disregard my challenge for Split as he's been dead for a while now.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2009, 21:01
You have no fear of dueling I see?
You have no fear of dueling I see?
I don't concern myself with dueling. I think it's bad for the town, so I don't plan on engaging in it any time soon. Given that I won't be challenging anyone and have no influence on whether people challenge me, I don't see much point in worrying about it one way or another.
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2009, 21:04
You have no fear of dueling I see?
I told my master my rating. The rest of you can go take a hike and make calls based off of what you see in the duels. :bow:
woad&fangs
04-23-2009, 21:06
Apparently all of the pevers have been returned to their original names.
(weak) Analysis of kills:
2 domo arigoto kills on pevers
1 violent kill on a pever (no domo)
1 samurai kill on a geisha
atheotes
04-23-2009, 21:20
"Dou itashi mashite" apparently translates to "you're welcome." While I am loathe to be grateful to mafioso for killing off townies, in this case I think I can make an exception. Thanks for disposing of a large segment of the pevers. :bow:
Apparently it also means "it's a pleasure" :laugh4:
I think the killers are people who hate Peverts... based on the amount of hate for them, I suspect Andres for having the most reason to kill them.
Especially with the amount of pever puns...
Andres, did you change it to them? :P
Also, Ichigo has a high combat rating. Ignoramus didn't stand a chance.
Ichigo didn't sound that strong...
Michishige had difficulties blocking the constant attacks of his opponent.
Also, is just me, or is Ichigo more serious than usual? :inquisitive:
:clown:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2009, 21:29
hos:shlin
Prince Cobra
04-23-2009, 21:31
Challenge: ajaxfetish
woad&fangs
04-23-2009, 21:32
vote: Shlin
If I remember correctly, you are a fan of the bloody violent kills when you are a mafioso. Perhaps you are the violent ninja :inquisitive:
Rhyfelwyr
04-23-2009, 21:34
Gah, I have been de-pevered. :embarassed:
Now I must die honourably for the sake of my peverbrethren. I accept your challenge Woad. :bow:
woad&fangs
04-23-2009, 21:35
I haven't officially challenged you yet, Rhyf. :wink:
If I remember correctly, you are a fan of the bloody violent kills when you are a mafioso. Perhaps you are the violent ninja :inquisitive:Injecting people with stuff is not violent or bloody :yes: I am just a loyal veteran Samurai in this game I'm afraid :bow:
What's with Stephen Asen's challenge? Ajaxfetish said he could not post much... so... why?
Quintus.JC
04-23-2009, 21:42
So the killers were bold enough to kill the Pevers, most of whom were in the spotlight, and would probably be lynched and killed off soon.
The killers can't be newbies, I just don't think they would kill people who are must likely to get the attention and help other people to hide themselves.
FoS: The people who publicly made threats to the Pevers.
woad&fangs
04-23-2009, 21:42
Injecting people with stuff is not violent or bloody :yes: I am just a loyal veteran Samurai in this game I'm afraid :bow:
What's with Stephen Asen's challenge? Ajaxfetish said he could not post much... so... why?
Reality: 1, Woad's memory: 0. unvote: Shlin
Stephen Asen's challenge also strikes me as odd. Care to explain, Stephen?
woad&fangs
04-23-2009, 21:45
So the killers were bold enough to kill the Pevers, most of whom were in the spotlight, and would probably be lynched and killed off soon.
However, killing off the pevers gives the town little to analyze. It was a sound strategy by the mafioso.
El Diablo
04-23-2009, 21:47
Vote YLC
Challange YLC
First time fight for me....
...sharpening my katana as we speak.....
I don't have time for a full kill analysis at the moment, but one thing does jump out at me: three of the deaths were pevers. I have a hunch that if two killers overlapped on a kill, we would see them both in the write-up; thus I assume there were no overlaps. The odds of multiple mafia groups deciding independently to attack the pevers and then not overlapping on any kills seem low. Since the ninjas get 3 kills per night, this indicates to me that all three of the pever killers were ninjas. This may help properly sort the kills from the previous nights into the correct categories.
seireikhaan
04-23-2009, 21:56
Everyone should vote for TinCow.
Quintus.JC
04-23-2009, 21:56
However, killing off the pevers gives the town little to analyze. It was a sound strategy by the mafioso.
True, but my thoughts is that most of them were threatened to be WoGed and lynched, so killing them seemed a waste of kills for the mafia team.
Also both Geishas are killed now, it appears both are killed by samurai and not ninja. It also seems odd and unlikely that two of the same powered role were killed off so early, maybe the traitor can investigate? Or maybe it's someone that Greg had interracted with outside the thread.
Everyone should vote for TinCow.
Care to explain why?
woad&fangs
04-23-2009, 22:00
True, but my thoughts is that most of them were threatened to be WoGed and lynched, so killing them seemed a waste of kills for the mafia team.
Also both Geishas are killed now, it appears both are killed by samurai and not ninja. It also seems odd and unlikely that two of the same powered role were killed off so early, maybe the traitor can investigate? Or maybe it's someone that Greg had interracted with outside the thread.
Considering that there are supposed to be two samurai but there has been only one samurai kill each night, I think it is very likely that one or both of the samurai can investigate.
Seamus Fermanagh
04-23-2009, 22:01
I failed...:shame:
Timing the reveal is always tough, but don't let death stop your efforts!
I agree with Khaan, TC is tripping my mafia sense hard.
Challenge: TinCow
Vote: TinCow
Your just oh so helpful...
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2009, 22:10
Considering that there are supposed to be two samurai but there has been only one samurai kill each night, I think it is very likely that one or both of the samurai can investigate.
Olavi may have been one of them...the beginning of his kill sounds a lot like the beginning of Gregoshi's (returning from some night action).
We have "hour of the rat" and "hour of the ox" and rabbit as well though it's not clear what these mean.
Chimpyang
04-23-2009, 22:12
AFAIK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_clock
Chimpyang
04-23-2009, 22:17
My take is :
Ninjas kill during midnight - Rat hour, traitors kill before dawn but after midnight - so if a traitor is killed during midnight, he wont get a chance to do his night action?
Challenge : Louis VI the Fat
Vote : Louis VI the Fat
Chimpyang
04-23-2009, 22:25
Ok misread the clues I followed from Andre's write up.
Unovte: Louis VI the Fat
Vote : Tincow
Reason: "A samurai wearing full armor came near."
I believe this is a subtle clue - and since only 2 people- Louis and Tincow have a custom avatar with armour on it - on second reading I see that Louis is not full armoured an oversight given my eagerness - and I apologise for the challenge - which cannot be taken back. I believe there have been 4 before mine though.
However, given the dearth of clues gleaned from previous write ups I belive Andres is giving us a bone to sniff here. Therefore I join the vote against Tincow.
My take is :
Ninjas kill during midnight - Rat hour, traitors kill before dawn but after midnight - so if a traitor is killed during midnight, he wont get a chance to do his night action?
Andres' write-ups tend to be chronological in nature, but I have never seen them be time sensitive like Reenk's were in Settlement. Andres often puts them in an order which makes sense for a storyline. Thus, if an order is submitted to kill someone who is themselves active, the kill must occur after the victim's action so that the victim's action can still take place. In most games, Andres tends to order the actions from top to bottom in the write-up, with the top-most descriptions being the ones that happened earliest in the evening. In this game, he appears to be doing the same thing with the addition of actual Japanese 'Hour' descriptions to make it easier to understand (and nicely atmospheric as well). I see no reason to suspect that this game has a time sensitive system on night orders.
Reason: "A samurai wearing full armor came near."
I believe this is a subtle clue - and since only 2 people- Louis and Tincow have a custom avatar with armour on it - on second reading I see that Louis is not full armoured an oversight given my eagerness - and I apologise for the challenge - which cannot be taken back. I believe there have been 4 before mine though.
However, given the dearth of clues gleaned from previous write ups I belive Andres is giving us a bone to sniff here. Therefore I join the vote against Tincow.
Uh... I don't even HAVE a custom avatar. As a mod, I'm required to use the rogue one.
Chimpyang
04-23-2009, 22:31
I meant the one of the knight in full armour - on my display it comes up between Moderator and Bureaucratically Efficient.
I mean the URL avatar, had to check my user cp for the term.
Reenk Roink
04-23-2009, 22:45
I am unsure how to feel about this bandwagon on TinCow. Master will tell me whether to support or oppose or be neutral. :stwshame:
seireikhaan
04-23-2009, 22:54
TinCow seems quite agitated...
GeneralHankerchief
04-23-2009, 23:07
Vote: khaan
Nope.
pevergreen
04-23-2009, 23:09
I have failed you, my master. :stwshame:
LittleGrizzly
04-23-2009, 23:11
LittleGrizzly
3) What's with the LittleGrizzly clan? Why are they presumed innocent?
Ill explain again for those that missed it, i can't be bothered to redo the rp bit so just imagine a great story of heroic struggle from being a lowly samurai rising to the rank of minor captain in the service of our great lord.
Reenk publically posted (near the start of the game... round 1 maybe) first person to pm me i pledge my sword too... (or something like that) i pm'd him first and now he will vote and challenge as i tell him...
pevergreen accused me of being mafia in the thread, i made a role playing post back... and then he pm'd me apologised and offered me his sword also...
Umm... I don't think were presumed innocent paticularly... just no votes on me or reenk as yet...
Though the one i slightly wasn't sure about (pevergreen) has been killed and proven innocent... i thought maybe he saw this as a cheap way to stay out of the limelight...
Ohh and master commands that in the absence of a command to vote someone in paticular that you must use the great intuition that master instilled in you and pick a good candidate(~;))
Reenk knowing your master as well as you do who do you think he would vote for...
(this is the part where you come up with something brilliant for me to take credit for)
I don't see why TinCow's behaviour seems paticularly off... though i don't really notice his behaviour change when he is mafia so maybe im not the person to judge...
But do we have any better reason then he's being ohh so helpful... thats his usual style whether mafia or town... also i think thats somewhat off a bad long term strategy... keep lynching the helpful people... what are you left with...
Edit: err so im not joining the TC bandwagon but im sure im thinking of an excellent case... im thinking that i will hopefully post it soon through my loyal samurai ~;)
Vote: khaan
Nope.
Nope is what you have to say?
LittleGrizzly
04-23-2009, 23:27
I have failed you, my master.
The fact that a coward had to sneak in and kill you at night only proves what a legendary warrior you are. To afraid to face you in the battlefield they had to kill you without honour because unlike thier victim they are lesser men afraid to fight and die!
Fear not my fallen samurai, those that have taken you in the night shall be brought out of thier hiding and shamed... I shall take your sword and when those without honour are found I shall strike them down with your mighty blade as you would have done!
Reason: "A samurai wearing full armor came near."
TBH if thats your reasoning your case would probably suit me better... seen my avatar? an armoured up samurai with a huge 2 handed sword
I chellenged the dutch guy before my death, whatever came of that? :san_undecided:
I meant the one of the knight in full armour - on my display it comes up between Moderator and Bureaucratically Efficient.
I mean the URL avatar, had to check my user cp for the term.
I don't have a URL avatar either, or at least I've never uploaded one. If I had, it would be the avatar I use on every other forum on the internet:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8AxQJmfsHNY/SRHWhr6yzqI/AAAAAAAAATc/Mj9ZkZxWpkk/s400/head-up-butt.png
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2009, 23:37
The reason TinCow is guilty is because my gut says he is.
Yaropolk
04-23-2009, 23:38
My take is :
Ninjas kill during midnight - Rat hour, traitors kill before dawn but after midnight - so if a traitor is killed during midnight, he wont get a chance to do his night action?
If your observation is true, then Olavi shouldn't have been killed at dawn, unless there is another party who gets a kill or Olavi wasnt a traitor.
LittleGrizzly
04-23-2009, 23:44
ok a few posts that made me a little suspicious...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2219585&postcount=808
'khaan everyone should vote for tincow
TC asked why, never got a response, made one analytical post and then said he doesn't have a custom avatar....
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2219650&postcount=821
'Khaan TinCow seems quite agitated
Which he didn't really...
'khaan never even voted for tincow?!
Explain yourself or die!
Vote 'khaan
The stuff above was an attack on khaan rather than a defence of TC
Although Sasaki saying his gut instinct makes me wonder... he is a good mafia hunter..
Wishazu replaces Warluster.
:bow:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-23-2009, 23:51
Well grizz...khaan is dead. And was going after tincow yesterday.
Reenk Roink
04-23-2009, 23:52
Reenk knowing your master as well as you do who do you think he would vote for...
(this is the part where you come up with something brilliant for me to take credit for)
:stwmean: I eagerly await more of your lessons. :bow:
Master has spoken:
Vote: Shinseikhaan
Well grizz...khaan is dead. And was going after tincow yesterday.
Oh come on, why did you say that? I was already preparing a story about several samurai trying to gather the ashes of 'khaan to burn them again while the real lynchee was committing seppuku, all that under the puzzled eye of the as always calm and silent Shingen.
~;p
EDIT: :laugh4: @ Reenk.
seireikhaan
04-23-2009, 23:53
Dudes, what's with all the votes on me? I was already killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217063#post2217063). :inquisitive:
Reenk Roink
04-23-2009, 23:54
Dudes, what's with all the votes on me? I was already killed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217063#post2217063). :inquisitive:
*ahem* Master has spoken... :stwmean:
I chellenged the dutch guy before my death, whatever came of that? :san_undecided:
...
I chellenged the dutch guy before my death, whatever came of that? :san_undecided:
You issued your challenge at night. Challenges must be made during the day.
...
... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patience)
Argh... dead. Strange strategy for the mafia to kill off someone with alow participation level. Also, it appears the great Tosa has turned me back from peverbrown a little early... :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
04-24-2009, 00:06
Crap, I'm really off today. :laugh4:
Unvote: The Late khaan
Vote: Abstain
Placeholder.
ajaxfetish
04-24-2009, 00:08
Challenge: ajaxfetish
Any reason?
Between this and the suspicious communications Sasaki highlighted between you, Yaropolk, and Aggonyduck, I'm gonna have to
vote: Stephen Asen
Ajax
GeneralHankerchief
04-24-2009, 00:10
Actually, I remembered what I was going to do:
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Beefy
Vote:Abstain
Will vote later.
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 00:18
:laugh4::laugh4:
Ohh crap im an idiot...
Unvote
this does make the case on TC more intresting...
'khaan are you not allowed to tell us why you want us to vote for TC ?
Or is there another reason you want us to vote TC
There was another post which made me slightly suspicious... (not as good as that case i had on 'khaan though :laugh4:)
from QJC
Ok i looked back at the post and its not suspicious actually...
[QJC]
So the killers were bold enough to kill the Pevers, most of whom were in the spotlight, and would probably be lynched and killed off soon.
The killers can't be newbies, I just don't think they would kill people who are must likely to get the attention and help other people to hide themselves.
FoS: The people who publicly made threats to the Pevers.
True, but my thoughts is that most of them were threatened to be WoGed and lynched, so killing them seemed a waste of kills for the mafia team.
[QJC]
But i quoted it all to put forward a different theory!
the rule of fun... the mafia probably thought it would be quite funny to mass execute pevers, with all the annoyance and havoc they caused killing them off could very well appeal to someone with a bit of a dark humor...
That or one of the still living pevers got worried and tried to kill quite a few off in the hope the other pevers would just get forgotten about...
You issued your challenge at night. Challenges must be made during the day.
... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patience)
I didn't know that, and it's not patience, you clearly wouldn't of answered it if I hadn't brought it to your attention :7ninja:
The primary case, in my eyes, is how much TC is unnecessarily focusing on the kills, methods on how they are done, and which time they are done at. It all seems helpful, but nothing comes of it - he doesn't follow each up or to their logical conclusion, instead skipping from one thing to another. He is quick to dismiss lines of thought about the write ups that are not his, while not actually addressing the point the person made.
Case in point - TC recently dismissed Chimpyangs case that the hours had something to do with how kills are done. It's possible, in fact highly likely, the separated hours indicate, since both are divided by their killer types (Hour of Rat kills are Ninja, Hour of Ox kills are traitorous Samurai), that Ninja's strike first, and if they kill a Traitorous Samurai, then that Samurai doesn't get his kill for the night.
Instead, he dismisses the whole thing under the rug as sheer implausibility while not actually taking into account another possibility.
I don't have time for a full kill analysis at the moment, but one thing does jump out at me: three of the deaths were pevers.
Oh really? It's good that you noticed.
I'd find it quite fitting that you first complained about the pevers, then killed them, perhaps you even coordinated it somehow, then said something intelligent about how there is no overlapping.
For now I'll
Vote: TinCow
White_eyes:D
04-24-2009, 00:37
Vote YLC
Challenge YLC I owe you for joining that weird 'pever cult':wink:
Vote YLC
Challenge YLC I owe you for joining that weird 'pever cult':wink:
*sighs* Foolish one, I am Sanada Yukimura. I am the Crimson Demon of War!
Case in point - TC recently dismissed Chimpyangs case that the hours had something to do with how kills are done. It's possible, in fact highly likely, the separated hours indicate, since both are divided by their killer types (Hour of Rat kills are Ninja, Hour of Ox kills are traitorous Samurai), that Ninja's strike first, and if they kill a Traitorous Samurai, then that Samurai doesn't get his kill for the night.
Instead, he dismisses the whole thing under the rug as sheer implausibility while not actually taking into account another possibility.
So, I'm guilty because I've played several games with Andres and recognize a pattern in how he does the write-ups? Nice. Please explain how it is "highly likely" that Chimpyang's theory is accurate.
Let's see if I can summarize the votes against me:
Sasaki - Gut instinct
YLC - Gut instinct, being too helpful, and disagreement with my interpretation of the write-up
Chimpyang - I have a URL avatar that is in a suit of armor
Husar - pevers died and I was annoyed with them
That's an incredible case you guys have built. It looks more like you've all flocked like lemmings to the 'gut instinct' claims by Sasaki and 'khaan and only tried to look for something scummy on me afterwards to justify meatballing. If I'm the choice for today's inevitable bandwagon, so be it, but at least do me the courtesy of putting forth a decent argument.
Reenk Roink
04-24-2009, 00:57
:laugh4::laugh4:
Ohh crap im an idiot...
Unvote
:stwmean: Master is very humble :happyg:
Master has reason for everything he does. If Master votes for a dead warrior, there is infinite wisdom in it. We must learn the hidden lesson in such an action but to do so requires training. :stwshame:
Unvote :bow:
Now Master, my intuition which you trained me in using unfortunately has nothing at the moment on suspect. With that said my intuition which you trained me in using strongly says that TinCow is not Mafia. Of course, you think that also. I am very pleased that using my own faculties led me to same conclusion as Master. I must be doing something right in my studies, but it is all due to the greatest teacher. :bow:
So, I'm guilty because I've played several games with Andres and recognize a pattern in how he does the write-ups? Nice. Please explain how it is "highly likely" that Chimpyang's theory is accurate.
Let's see if I can summarize the votes against me:
Sasaki - Gut instinct
YLC - Gut instinct, being too helpful, and disagreement with my interpretation of the write-up
Chimpyang - I have a URL avatar that is in a suit of armor
Husar - pevers died and I was annoyed with them
That's an incredible case you guys have built. It looks more like you've all flocked like lemmings to the 'gut instinct' claims by Sasaki and 'khaan and only tried to look for something scummy on me afterwards to justify meatballing. If I'm the choice for today's inevitable bandwagon, so be it, but at least do me the courtesy of putting forth a decent argument.
If the argument is poor, why the vehemence? I for one, think it's the most sound case today, but that can change.
And, again, your focusing in on one aspect of why I said your guilty - I said your unnecessarily focusing on the write ups without creating anything productive at all. Your being helpful, while leading us nowhere. Your focusing on something that won't vote you back for poor reasoning. Your focusing on specific aspects that do not help find any of the killers, and when an avenue is brought up that might find a killer, you squash it. And for someone who has played in many of Andres games, and for someone who is usually very timely in gathering a case and being productive in finding the necessary evidence, your sorely lacking in this game. Shall I start bringing up Ephesus? Or should I bring in your posts from Midgard Saga II?
I am not following Khaan or Sasaki's "gut instinct" do not assign that to me TC - I have a case, I've stated it, and will continue to push it until your proven innocent or when it becomes clear that there is a more viable lynch.
Vote Haudegen
Too quiet for my liking.
Objection! (http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3064148)
(To all those who have posted during this day phase already)
I have to admit, the replies have lost me. If it is the Mafia-roles doing a confusion effort, they are doing a good job as I am confused and lost.
I am going to instate a new rule. When you post votes, you have to give an argument for it, then we work together on dealing with those who we have actually have a real reason to suspect, opposed to "he smells funny, I vote him!" "he posts a lot, therefore its him!" (posting they are a lurker is fine though). We need to break down sources into information, working at different angles to get a picture.
In my next vote tallies, I am going to do a heading called: "Objection!" this will list people who just randomly vote without a trace of common sense.
Edit: On another note, stop replacing people, Andres. WOG them. No one has a clue what sort of role they are and if you get them a Mafia-role for example, you are really working against the townies.
Hmm...it appears I missed a point TC made.
It's highly likely that Ninja's strike first because it makes sense, and it makes it easier to resolve to peopl from different families targeting each other. Add into this that the ninja kills happen in the "Hour of the Rat" and the Traitor kills happen in the "Hour of the Ox" - lynches happen during the "Hour of the Cock" and duels take place during the "Hour of the Rabbit", and we begin to see a pattern.
Thus, it appears we have 3 ninja still, and either the Traitor's alternate kills or one has already died. Another thing about Andres write ups is that roles are not revealed upon death and it's up to the town to speculate if they made a correct lynch based on the nights results.
And, again, your focusing in on one aspect of why I said your guilty - I said your unnecessarily focusing on the write ups without creating anything productive at all. Your being helpful, while leading us nowhere. Your focusing on something that won't vote you back for poor reasoning. Your focusing on specific aspects that do not help find any of the killers, and when an avenue is brought up that might find a killer, you squash it. And for someone who has played in many of Andres games, and for someone who is usually very timely in gathering a case and being productive in finding the necessary evidence, your sorely lacking in this game. Shall I start bringing up Ephesus? Or should I bring in your posts from Midgard Saga II?
Bring in whatever you want, I'm putting out the only useful evidence I see so far. As I previously said (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217295#post2217295), I thought it would be useful at a later date to figure out exactly which kills were committed by which killers. That's been the objective of my write-up analysis so far. I see nothing remotely incriminating in the write-ups at all, so this is the extent of their usefulness in my mind. If you think I'm being unhelpful and leading us nowhere, then you presumably see something else useful in the write-ups that I am not discussing. If so, please enlighten us. If not, why aren't you also going after other people who have done the exact same thing, such as FactionHeir? Why are you singling me out?
I apologize if you don't think I've produced anything useful so far, but I'm doing my best to pull something solid out of the extremely limited evidence that has been presented to us. I am not the Oracle, I'm not psychic, and I don't know the location of the Holy Grail. You'll have to forgive me if I don't manage to ID a mafioso for you in the second round of the game.
Objection! (http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3064148)
(To all those who have posted during this day phase already)
I have to admit, the replies have lost me. If it is the Mafia-roles doing a confusion effort, they are doing a good job as I am confused and lost.
I am going to instate a new rule. When you post votes, you have to give an argument for it, then we work together on dealing with those who we have actually have a real reason to suspect, opposed to "he smells funny, I vote him!" "he posts a lot, therefore its him!". We need to break down sources into information, working at different angles to get a picture.
In my next vote tallies, I am going to do a heading called: "Objection!" this will list people who just randomly vote without a trace of common sense.
Edit: On another note, stop replacing people, Andres. WOG them. No one has a clue what sort of role they are and if you get them a Mafia-role for example, you are really working against the townies.
Actually, this is called "baiting", in the hopes those voted for will take offense to it and make themselves open to being questioned. Only when it is followed up with random votes following the same logic or lack thereof that it becomes bad. That's when you begin to try to put pressure on those voting nonsensically.
Reenk Roink
04-24-2009, 01:20
Objection! (http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3064148)
(To all those who have posted during this day phase already)
I have to admit, the replies have lost me. If it is the Mafia-roles doing a confusion effort, they are doing a good job as I am confused and lost.
I am going to instate a new rule. When you post votes, you have to give an argument for it, then we work together on dealing with those who we have actually have a real reason to suspect, opposed to "he smells funny, I vote him!" "he posts a lot, therefore its him!". We need to break down sources into information, working at different angles to get a picture.
In my next vote tallies, I am going to do a heading called: "Objection!" this will list people who just randomly vote without a trace of common sense.
:stwmean: From notes of Master on the virtues and limitations of logic:
Reasoning is too broad of a predicate to be of any use save rhetorical effect.
Logical thought is odd choice of words but logical inference simply deals with syntactic form and does not lead to truth or falsity of statements directly.
There is no epistemic difference between asserting incorrectly that a warrior is a ninja and making a valid but unsound argument that a warrior is ninja
:stwshame:
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 01:21
:stwmean: Master is very humble :happyg:
Master has reason for everything he does. If Master votes for a dead warrior, there is infinite wisdom in it. We must learn the hidden lesson in such an action but to do so requires training. :stwshame:
Unvote :bow:
Now Master, my intuition which you trained me in using unfortunately has nothing at the moment on suspect. With that said my intuition which you trained me in using strongly says that TinCow is not Mafia. Of course, you think that also. I am very pleased that using my own faculties led me to same conclusion as Master. I must be doing something right in my studies, but it is all due to the greatest teacher. :bow:
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I agree that people need to put more thought behind thier lynches...
Admittedly i tried to lynch a dead guy but i made the effort to go out and make a half decent case
Im going to look into some of the posters in further detail
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 01:39
ok there isn't much about
Im going to vote YLC for surviving the pever massacare and his case on TC seemed... off...
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 01:40
That's an incredible case you guys have built. It looks more like you've all flocked like lemmings to the 'gut instinct' claims by Sasaki and 'khaan and only tried to look for something scummy on me afterwards to justify meatballing. If I'm the choice for today's inevitable bandwagon, so be it, but at least do me the courtesy of putting forth a decent argument.
Gut instinct is a great reason for voting someone and the foundation of the game.
AggonyDuck
04-24-2009, 01:43
Gut instinct is a great reason for voting someone and the foundation of the game.
:yes:
Reenk Roink
04-24-2009, 01:46
:stwmean: As master says Vote: YLC
Sasaki Kojiro and AggonyDuck: :2thumbsup:
Rhyfelwyr
04-24-2009, 01:52
Vote: LittleGrizzly
You are very determined to distract the town on the OOC pever issue...
FactionHeir
04-24-2009, 01:57
According to my theory, N3 kills are in order or ninja, ninja, SK, traitor.
Ninjas killed the fake pevers while the SK killed the actual pever. Doesn't seem to be much risk of overlap.
woad&fangs
04-24-2009, 02:04
vote: Stephen Asen
Because of his weird challenge on Ajaxfetish and because I think the bandwagon on TinCow is a bit absurd.
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 02:05
You are very determined to distract the town on the OOC pever issue...
The fact is the killers went all out for pever's and you and YLC survived (i didn't know you were the other surviving pever) it could just be random luck that youb two weren't killed.. off course its a risky strategy to do that as a pever but as with poker the bigger the bluff...
FH well it was kinda risky to go for a pever seen as lots of people were gunning for pever's... if the SK and Ninja aren't in contact (which i think we can assume) surely the ninja's could have decided to go for pevergreen or the sk could have targetted the same fake pevers that they did...
Personally i would have gone for someone else to make sure i didn't waste a kill...
Beefy187
04-24-2009, 02:06
Actually, I remembered what I was going to do:
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Beefy
I had enough of your baseless accusations.
I shall defend my honor with my sword.
Challenge: GH
I am most likely going to die if the duel takes place so heres my contribution.
As Split said before, the killers seems to be some moralists. Killing off lurkers, and killing off the pever brigade.
Any mafia vets will know that the lurkers are excellent lynch baits, or WoG baits. So killing them just seems to be against the basic idea. However I doubt any of the kills one done because of the lack of experience. As most of the gang seems to have more then two members. Whats the chance of both of them being newer players?
I say killing off lurkers strategy are done to enhance the mafia playing experience. To only let the active ones live so they can enjoy the game more. Those who are mad enough to do that kind of stuff is the extremely experienced players. Likely to have hosted a mafia games few times.
Therefore I think most of the killers are active, experienced and are mafia game hosts.
GH and Sasaki are my top suspects.
Also I just came up with the possibility of killers converting into peverism and then killed few of the pevers to make them look less suspecious. Thus YLC and Chaotix (I'm not sure if his still alive) can join in the list of suspects.
Thats my thoughts for now.
Splitpersonality
04-24-2009, 02:09
Chaotix is indeed dead.
woad&fangs
04-24-2009, 02:13
tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Beefy 1- (GeneralHankerchief)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)
FactionHeir
04-24-2009, 02:13
Ninjas have 2 kills each night so far, so it wouldn't have made much sense for them to go after the real pever and a fake pever with their intention (as per end comment). SK may have killed the actual pever for other reasons possibly - and maybe have expected the ninjas to kill the fake ones, without knowing them.
Also, since there's 4 ninjas (3+1), I wonder why we are not seeing 3 kills each night. Either they got another ability they are using, or they alternate as per my previous suggestion.
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 02:15
GH and Sasaki are my top suspects.
Off the top of my head... based on being very experienced players TinCow could probably go on that list as well..
Beefy i did kind of follow you line of though on the pever's, thats why i voted YLC, and the other living pever is Rythfelwyr (horribly misspelled)
Also, since there's 4 ninjas (3+1), I wonder why we are not seeing 3 kills each night. Either they got another ability they are using, or they alternate as per my previous suggestion.
Well in Midgaard there were three of us mafia but we only had 2 kills a night... of course the other option is a defender for the master ninja or some kind of detective ninja...
FH i get what your saying but there was a risk of overlap...
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 02:19
tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)
Beefy 1- (GeneralHankerchief)
I have taken this one out as Beefy challenged GH but didn't vote for him...
Gut instinct is a great reason for voting someone and the foundation of the game.
I completely agree, which is why I haven't put up much of a protest on that point. If all the votes against me were "gut instinct" I'd respond with a :shrug: and do my best to survive in other ways. However, your vote was the only true gut instinct vote. The rest all then tried to manufacture relatively flimsy excuses for their votes. That is, ironically, far weaker than just clocking it up instinct and leaving it at that. Needless to say, being confronted with growing bandwagon that included a "URL avatar" vote made me :wall:.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 02:49
Well now that you mention it...your avatar is an assassin...
Bring in whatever you want, I'm putting out the only useful evidence I see so far. As I previously said (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217295#post2217295), I thought it would be useful at a later date to figure out exactly which kills were committed by which killers. That's been the objective of my write-up analysis so far. I see nothing remotely incriminating in the write-ups at all, so this is the extent of their usefulness in my mind. If you think I'm being unhelpful and leading us nowhere, then you presumably see something else useful in the write-ups that I am not discussing. If so, please enlighten us. If not, why aren't you also going after other people who have done the exact same thing, such as FactionHeir? Why are you singling me out?
I apologize if you don't think I've produced anything useful so far, but I'm doing my best to pull something solid out of the extremely limited evidence that has been presented to us. I am not the Oracle, I'm not psychic, and I don't know the location of the Holy Grail. You'll have to forgive me if I don't manage to ID a mafioso for you in the second round of the game.
Why, specifically, are you leaving out segments of my quotes? Any reason besides it leaves out clarification on your previous statements, and thus making the subject narrower and easier to handle?
I'll look at other suspects as well, but your here to be questioned and are always willing to answer.
So lets start -
Post 483 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2217080&postcount=483)
An attempt to analyze the write up - no issue here, normal townie behavior, even though you admit there is nothing to go on - Andres doesn't usually give ANY clues, if at all however.
Post 504 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2217295&postcount=504)
Again, another attempt to analyze the write up, yet your analysis contains faulty logic - your quick to assume and assign rational to Ichigo's vote, yet, if what you said is true, then it would, you know, make sense that Ichigo would either A) not make his case so early, and bide his time to find another, or B) bring his case forward to get the mafioso lynched - available doctors can then protect him.
If you make the argument that Ichigo would not play it that way because he likes to be random, then you can't assign any logic to his vote, since why he did is "random". You were looking for a way to make an easy case against someone and place a vote, even if the case was upon shaky ground, at best.
Post 566 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2217785&postcount=566)
Your previous attempt is foiled! AMG!! Because traitors and ninjas are not aligned? Wasn't this common knowledge? It was shown that the traitors were not only new to the game, but also independent of the ninjas in motivation. Your analysis was originally based on the assumption as well that the Ninja and Samurai operated as two separate entities. Hmmm...
Post 586 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2217920&postcount=586)
The main reason was that your case against GH was flawed initially - no one was going to follow it when it was based on a false assumption. But why jump on Sigurd specifically? I don't see a reason that would have negated you from not jumping on the "stupidly large bandwagon".
Post 596 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2217973&postcount=596)
You attempt to explain your reasoning for voting for Sigurd. It's fine as is, but 3 is a pressure vote? Not usually, that's more like it's under serious consideration by a few people. And Yaropolk was the only option? In a game with only half the people posting? They aren't lurking at all? No, but Sigurd is a strong player, and a good one at analyzing behavioral patterns. He is also known for being less active once killed off when not having a role, rather convenient, especially if he really is just to busy to come and post.
Post 601 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217995#post2217995)
You assert dueling hurts the town - no issue here, it's your personal opinion, nothing more, and it has a fair chance of being right.
Post 609 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218034#post2218034)
Asking for duel scores - can whatever they tell you be considered truthful? Won't trying to analyze what they tell and whether or not they are lying lead to WIFOM? How is this actually helpful, except to eliminate a target for the mafioso?
Post 615 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218058#post2218058)
Wow we move fast - first none productive and bordering on self-destructive, it can now be used to find mafioso! But wait, isn't that the opposite of what you asserted before?
Post 781 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219482#post2219482)
Pointless post made about eliminating players who annoy you because they changed their username. This one just simply smells scummy to me, and I can't quite articulate why.
Post 789 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219514#post2219514)
Whoops, dueling is bad again. You won't actively discourage it though, or create a process to control it. Hmmm.....
Post 806 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2219575&postcount=806)
You acting as if you had not read the write up, when, to assert that a large portion of the "pevers" were already dead, you'd have to read the write up. Your making a statement that you could have paired with Post 781, it would have been obvious had you checked the alive or dead list, and your running over something you asserted earlier and should be obvious - the ninjas are working together.
This whole thing feels sloppy and/or scummy. Also, anyone having pad attention will notice the groupings by which hour the kills take place, so this was, essentially, a null point your trying to make - your being idle while looking helpful, just as you were with the dueling, just like the round when Stephen was under pressure.
Post 817 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219630#post2219630)
First you state that Andres prioritizes them in such a way so that all night actions happen each night, which is technically impossible since in gaming terms mafia actions have a higher priority then non-mafia actions for ability resolution. But I digress - you quickly switch to the assertion that each is then order from top to bottom in chronological order. But if this is true, then that breaks the prioritization based on getting in all abilities - each hour set is dominated by one faction, not broken up so all act individually - there is to much consistency on how the kills are managed for it not to be a "Ninja's kill first, Traitors/SK's kill second".
And as the votes for me being a surviving Pever - your argument can be turned upon it's head and be stated that it was done to MAKE me a target. Indeed, by renaming myself "PeverYellow" to have some fun, I unwittingly made myself a target. And ask Pevergreen himself, I volunteered, that was all - I recruited no one, and was recruited by Pevergreen himself. And if I has used it to make it make me less suspicious, then I would end up only being made looking suspicious and attempting to use WIFOM - better kill him instead. Either case results in me becoming lynched.
I'd FoS you but that includes Reenk, and Reenk is at least being logical in following his "master", even if the reasoning is faulty.
tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)
Beefy 1- (GeneralHankerchief)
I have taken this one out as Beefy challenged GH but didn't vote for him...
Your missing El Daiblo's Challenge of me and my Challenge of TinCow, and White Eyes as well
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 03:09
You can FoS me without including Reenk... and if i do get lynched Reenk is a free samurai... or only in the service of Lord Takeda anyway...
And as an instruction to my Loyal Samurai if someone votes for me and i vote them back (whether i claim its a perfectly good lynch or not) you are to choose your own suspect...
Look it is a big bluff and i used one (with the help of TC) to win as mafia in Midgaard... if you can pull of the bluff it becomes your best friend... that being said it is quite early to pull such a bluff... but this probably was the only time you could pull off this bluff...
hmm going in circles... ill have a look at your case against TC...
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 03:12
I wasn't going for a challenge list but correcting the tally... but ok...
tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)
Challenge list
Beefy Vs GeneralHankerchief
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TC
WE Vs YLC
You did mean WE challenged TC right ?
Edit: and for the life of me i cant find the post im looking for... noticed that we challenged you though..
You can FoS me without including Reenk... and if i do get lynched Reenk is a free samurai... or only in the service of Lord Takeda anyway...
And as an instruction to my Loyal Samurai if someone votes for me and i vote them back (whether i claim its a perfectly good lynch or not) you are to choose your own suspect...
Look it is a big bluff and i used one (with the help of TC) to win as mafia in Midgard... if you can pull of the bluff it becomes your best friend... that being said it is quite early to pull such a bluff... but this probably was the only time you could pull off this bluff...
hmm going in circles... ill have a look at your case against TC...
Like I said, it creates WIFOM. WIFOM brings one out into the lime light and makes you more susceptible to being lynched simply because you are a conundrum. The town as a whole must be convinced enough to dismiss it as a whole, otherwise it will be brought back. It's simply to risky, because your then the "next best lynch otherwise". We have 49 remaining players in the game, even with the dueling, that's still 7-8 rounds left in the game, assuming kill level remain consistent.
I wasn't going for a challenge list but correcting the tally... but ok...
tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 4- (El Diablo, White eyes, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)
Challenge list
Beefy Vs GeneralHankerchief
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TC
WE Vs TC
You did mean WE challenged TC right ?
No, WE challenged me.
I have a 75% challenge of fighting someone tomorrow, and, because of randomization, a 50% chance of surviving that. By doing so, I open myself up further to be investigated based upon the duel.
So are the votes upon me doing any good?
I have to comment, YLC did a good argument. Well done on that, sincerely.
It makes me suspect TinCow, on top of three others I suspect (mafia-role) and I think of I know two town roles (not going to say names so they don't get targeted). Unfortunately, saying names again makes me a target, or am I bluffing?
I will Vote: Stephen Asen for now, but I might change to break a tie breaker if I suspect one of them to be a mafia and the other, not. I highly suspect him being Traitor role.
I'll look at other suspects as well, but your here to be questioned and are always willing to answer.
That's a long post, and I'm off to bed at the moment. I will respond tomorrow morning.
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 03:36
Well your vote did seem like bandwagoning but i though it was a little fleshed out... (and after searching for ages) i found out it was like a 3 line post with a vote and a challenge. And with the challenge it does seem too risky. Without the challenge (which i couldn't remember) you weren't really putting yourself out there too much
Combined with the fact i confused your first post with maybe a later post..
Unvote
Funnily enough i did kind of get an uneasy feeling about TinCow but i don't see why he would put himself out there when im sure he could have easily blended in with some roleplaying or something...
tally
TinCow 4- (Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar)
YLC 3- (El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink)
Stephen Asen 2- (Ajaxfetish, woad&fangs)
Haudegen 1- (Wishazu)
LittleGrizzly 1-(Rhyfelwyr)
Challenge list
Beefy Vs GeneralHankerchief
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TC
WE Vs YLC
Well your vote did seem like bandwagoning but i though it was a little fleshed out... (and after searching for ages) i found out it was like a 3 line post with a vote and a challenge. And with the challenge it does seem too risky. Without the challenge (which i couldn't remember) you weren't really putting yourself out there too much
Combined with the fact i confused your first post with maybe a later post..
Unvote
Funnily enough i did kind of get an uneasy feeling about TinCow but i don't see why he would put himself out there when im sure he could have easily blended in with some roleplaying or something...
Not TC's style, it would be picked out and questioned. Also, it's easier to blend in as a helpful townie then it is to roleplay or Lurk - Lurk, and no one sees you and your absence is noted, point incase - Sigurd. Roleplay, and your noted for it, point in case - Gregoshi. TC is to high profile and to well known for either.
No, WE challenged me.
I have a 75% challenge of fighting someone tomorrow, and, because of randomization, a 50% chance of surviving that. By doing so, I open myself up further to be investigated based upon the duel.
So are the votes upon me doing any good?
Vote:YLC
Scum
Vote:YLC
Scum
:heart:
I am Sanada Yukimura - I fear no man nor death. I am also historically accurate :wink:
GeneralHankerchief
04-24-2009, 03:55
I challenged Rhyfelwyr and YLC as well, although I believe only the Rhyfelwyr one counts.
I challenged Rhyfelwyr and YLC as well, although I believe only the Rhyfelwyr one counts.
I believe you can only make one challenge, correct me if I am wrong. Since you made your against Rhyfelwyr first, the one you made against me would not count then.
Beefy187
04-24-2009, 04:02
:heart:
I am Sanada Yukimura - I fear no man nor death. I am also historically accurate :wink:
Not sure if its historically accurate, but in the Play Station II game called "Kessen (Battle)", Sanada Yukimura appears as a general and he is described as master of Kunoichi (Female Ninjas) :sweatdrop:
Fact that we all have a role, like Takeda Shingen received Takeda Shingen (No cover pms), I won't be supprised if our enemies recieved their role with real names.
Combined that with my pever theory, and the fact that YLC is the host, I think YLC is a good lynch candidate.
Fatality:
YLC 5 El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink, LittleGrizzly, Ichigo
TinCow 4 Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar
Stephen Asen 3 ajaxfetish, woad&fangs, Beskar
Haudegen 1 Wishazu
LittleGrizzly 1 Rhyfelwyr
Beefy187 1 GeneralHankerchief
Abstain 1 Caius, taka
Mortal Kombat:
GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
04-24-2009, 04:07
Tally is off. Doesn't have my vote for Beefy nor my (valid) challenge for Rhyfelwyr.
Some one didn't do the tally right at all then. I will make sure it is fully correct now.
Not sure if its historically accurate, but in the Play Station II game called "Kessen (Battle)", Sanada Yukimura appears as a general and he is described as master of Kunoichi (Female Ninjas) :sweatdrop:
Fact that we all have a role, like Takeda Shingen received Takeda Shingen (No cover pms), I won't be surprised if our enemies received their role with real names.
Combined that with my pever theory, and the fact that YLC is the host, I think YLC is a good lynch candidate.
Um, what o.O? I;m the host? If I am the host, then I can't be lynched...plus -
Sanada Saemon-no-Suke Yukimura (真田 左衛門佐 幸村 ,Sanada Yukimura?, 1567–June 3, 1615) was a Japanese samurai, second son of the Sengoku period daimyo Sanada Masayuki (1544-1611). His proper name was Sanada Nobushige (真田信繁), named after Takeda Shingen's younger brother Takeda Nobushige (武田信繁), who was a brave and respected warrior. Sanada Yukimura was called "A Hero who may appear once in hundred years" and "crimson demon of war", and Shimazu Tadatsune (島津忠恒, arguably the best performer in the invasion of Korea) called him the "number one warrior in Japan." ("日本一の兵", 兵 means soldier originally, but here it is read as "tsuwamono" which means samurai or warrior, so it is not appropriate to translate it as soldier.)
I was utterly loyal to Takeda Shingen, as is my father, Sanada Masayuki.
Links to Sanada Yukimura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanada_Yukimura) and Sanada Masayuki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanada_Masayuki)
The relation to the game is utter fallacy - your just coming up with an excuse to vote for me.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 04:14
Not sure if its historically accurate, but in the Play Station II game called "Kessen (Battle)", Sanada Yukimura appears as a general and he is described as master of Kunoichi (Female Ninjas) :sweatdrop:
Fact that we all have a role, like Takeda Shingen received Takeda Shingen (No cover pms), I won't be supprised if our enemies recieved their role with real names.
Combined that with my pever theory, and the fact that YLC is the host, I think YLC is a good lynch candidate.
So...you think andres gave ylc (who you say is the ninja master) a name from a playstation II game and didn't tell him that if he posted it in the thread he would be revealed? Or maybe they were randomly generated like he said they were...
Beefy187
04-24-2009, 04:16
Um, what o.O? I;m the host? If I am the host, then I can't be lynched...plus -
Sanada Saemon-no-Suke Yukimura (真田 左衛門佐 幸村 ,Sanada Yukimura?, 1567–June 3, 1615) was a Japanese samurai, second son of the Sengoku period daimyo Sanada Masayuki (1544-1611). His proper name was Sanada Nobushige (真田信繁), named after Takeda Shingen's younger brother Takeda Nobushige (武田信繁), who was a brave and respected warrior. Sanada Yukimura was called "A Hero who may appear once in hundred years" and "crimson demon of war", and Shimazu Tadatsune (島津忠恒, arguably the best performer in the invasion of Korea) called him the "number one warrior in Japan." ("日本一の兵", 兵 means soldier originally, but here it is read as "tsuwamono" which means samurai or warrior, so it is not appropriate to translate it as soldier.)
I was utterly loyal to Takeda Shingen, as is my father, Sanada Masayuki.
Links to Sanada Yukimura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanada_Yukimura) and Sanada Masayuki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanada_Masayuki)
The relation to the game is utter fallacy - your just coming up with an excuse to vote for me.
Read few paragraphs down. It says something about "10 legendary ninjas"
Plus I wasn't going to vote for you, as I thought the names was spilled out by name generators and you getting Sanada Yukimura was a pure coincidents
Beefy187
04-24-2009, 04:17
So...you think andres gave ylc (who you say is the ninja master) a name from a playstation II game and didn't tell him that if he posted it in the thread he would be revealed? Or maybe they were randomly generated like he said they were...
Kessens based on Sengoku Jidai. So most of the characters did exist.
I wasn't really sure about the character setting thats all.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 04:18
Read few paragraphs down. It says something about "10 legendary ninjas"
Plus I wasn't going to vote for you, as I thought the names was spilled out by name generators and you getting Sanada Yukimura was a pure coincidents
I won't be supprised if our enemies recieved their role with real names.
Combined that with my pever theory, and the fact that YLC is the host, I think YLC is a good lynch candidate.
Really now :coffeenews:
Read few paragraphs down. It says something about "10 legendary ninjas"
Plus I wasn't going to vote for you, as I thought the names was spilled out by name generators and you getting Sanada Yukimura was a pure coincidents
Then if I am mafia, which would make me the ninja "godfather", just look for the names of those ten to crop up in the duels. Which would be a bad thing to do - or are you implying I am stupid?
GeneralHankerchief
04-24-2009, 04:20
Toldja. :smoking:
Toldja. :smoking:
:inquisitive:
The correct tally list and in the right order (might double check, but it should be correct).
I am putting a small ban on other people doing their own tallies, as there were so many errors, missed votes, missed challenges and in the wrong order, it was amazingly bad.
Fatality: [The one who is going to get lynched.]
shlin28 7 CountArach, LittleGrizzly,Beskar,GeneralHankerchief, YLC, Sasaki Kojiro, Seamus Fermanagh
YLC 4 El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink, Ichigo
TinCow 2 Chimpyang, Husar
Stephen Asen 2 ajaxfetish, woad&fangs
Taka 2 Seamus Fermanagh, Captain Blackadder
Haudegen 1 Wishazu
LittleGrizzly 1 Rhyfelwyr
Abstain 2 Caius, taka
Mortal Kombat: [Duels.]
GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief
The Usual Suspects: [A section for those who keep cropping up from previous rounds.]
shlin28 A
Stephen Asen C
Beskar C
Sasaki Kojiro D
YLC D
Haudegen D
LittleGrizzly D
The rank system for the Usual Suspects:
Rank S Special Recommend Lynch ASAP.
Rank A Strong High Possibility Mafia-role.
Rank B Popular Popular on the list.
Rank C Mild Common name on the list.
Rank D Weak Just cropped up once or twice.
Rank E Not Listed Not worth listing.
Ranks are decided upon position on the table and how many weeks. This is a trial of last two weeks and current scoring.
Beefy187
04-24-2009, 04:23
Really now :coffeenews:
Beefy quality. Get one details right and get three wrong :shame:
Then if I am mafia, which would make me the ninja "godfather", just look for the names of those ten to crop up in the duels. Which would be a bad thing to do - or are you implying I am stupid?
Not at all. I just thought I might say what I thought.
The correct tally list and in the right order (might double check, but it should be correct):
Fatality:
YLC 5 El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink, LittleGrizzly, Ichigo
TinCow 4 Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar
Stephen Asen 3 ajaxfetish, woad&fangs, Beskar
Haudegen 1 Wishazu
LittleGrizzly 1 Rhyfelwyr
Beefy187 1 GeneralHankerchief
Abstain 1 Caius, taka
Mortal Kombat:
GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief
Hmmm...LG supposedly Unvoted me before running off :laugh4:
Nice, well, whatever, I am sure the mafia want me dead, so let it be so. I was only a veteran Samurai with a ridiculously high battle rating, essentially a low chance daykill vigilante.
I am glad I was able to so much to help the town, and get it repaid - oh, before I die, I had privately asked Andres for a suicide and replacement. I wish I had done it, because then Sanada Yukimura would have lived a tad longer :laugh4:
CountArach
04-24-2009, 04:29
Vote: shlin28
My reasoning will follow when I put it all together. I'm pretty damn sure about this one though.
EDIT: Also, YLC could you send me your battle rating (As well as those of you who haven't sent it)?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 04:29
YLC does not seem like a good lynch to me.
I will to keep the lists up to date on each page, until the list gets replaced on the other page, is when I copy and paste the old one there then make the amendments for that page.
As for the unvote, I would prefer it if people stuck to the rules on it, it makes it easier to organise. Probably why Andres requested it that way too. :beam:
As for CountArach, feel free to list it. My apologises, I only change when I think it is suitable to do it.
YLC does not seem like a good lynch to me.
Why not? I mean, there is such astounding reasoning to do so! Look at the irrefutable logic! LOOK AT IT!!!
:coffeenews:
Seamus Fermanagh
04-24-2009, 04:33
YLC, your long posts against Tincow seem well thought out and have a mafia-hunter quality to them. It should be noted, however, that none of the points raised are "smoking gun" caliber.
However, Ichigo is correct as to the mafia-esque tone of your duel post. :inquisitive:
For the moment, I will Vote: taka
Come out and play taka, I don't like you lurking along.
Captain Blackadder
04-24-2009, 04:35
VOTE TAKA
Gut instinct
YLC, your long posts against Tincow seem well thought out and have a mafia-hunter quality to them. It should be noted, however, that none of the points raised are "smoking gun" caliber.
However, Ichigo is correct as to the mafia-esque tone of your duel post. :inquisitive:
For the moment, I will Vote: taka
Come out and play taka, I don't like you lurking along.
Double post or Duel post (as in challenge?) - or just point out which post?
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 04:45
I am putting a small ban on other people doing their own tallies
I just updated someone else's and put in the challenges YLC mentioned.... I am perfect and beyond reproach... ask my loyal samurai!
So errm.. there was some voting problem ?
Unvote YLC
Vote Shlin28
Our Lord seems convinced and thus so am I, If the warriors are uncooperative with your requests name them and shall remove thier heads!
Updated tally (wish me luck)
Fatality:
YLC 4 El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink, Ichigo
TinCow 4 Sasaki, YLC, Chimpyang, Husar
Stephen Asen 3 ajaxfetish, woad&fangs, Beskar
Taka 2 CaptainBlackadder, Seamus
Shlin28: 2 LittleGrizzly, CountArach
Haudegen 1 Wishazu
LittleGrizzly 1 Rhyfelwyr
Beefy187 1 GeneralHankerchief
Abstain 2 Caius, taka
Mortal Kombat:
GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief
CountArach
04-24-2009, 04:50
Why shlin probably isn't town and should be lynched
Got your attention? Brilliant.
The primary reason for shlin to be lynched rests on something you are all just simply going to have to trust me with - he lied about his duel ratings. I have reason to suspect that the level he sent me exceeded the maximum available score. No one else claimed anything at his level or above, including those who hinted at similar character backgrounds. So for that reason alone he should be lynched.
Further, shlin cast the deciding vote on Sigurd... whether this may point to something or not is largely irrelevant, but I don't think Sigurd was a good lynch at all in retrospect.
Unvote: Stephen Asen
Vote: CountArach ((Edit: This was actually meant to be shlin28 based on CountArach's post, but I made a stupid blunder))
If you got any questions, inregards to the scale I am trying out, feel free to message, but in short, D at the moment = been listed in two lynch inquests. C= a popular and a shallow, or popular in two. I am testing around with the sensitivity.
p.s. You never responded to my PM CountArach, or wasn't you allowed?
Although I do agree that Sigurd was a terrible lynch choice, I don't think we will be able to lynch shlin this round :shame: - Sasaki, I, and one more person will have to change their vote.
And Beskar, are you alright in the head?
GeneralHankerchief
04-24-2009, 04:58
I'll give CA the benefit of the doubt... this time. I do have some questions about this line of logic, but I'll put them off until more is revealed.
Unvote: Beefy
Vote: shlin
CountArach
04-24-2009, 04:58
Unvote: Stephen Asen
Vote: CountArach
p.s. You never responded to my PM CountArach, or wasn't you allowed?
(to others, I asked if my duel rating was actually high or low, in a sense, I asked what the scale was like)
Lol... I am Lord Takeda Shingen... and any votes against me as discarded. I am confirmed pro-town... yet you want to lynch me? :inquisitive:
I didn't answer anyone's question about the duel rating scale for the reason that I didn't want that information to get in the wrong hands. The fact you are fishing for that information means that you deserve HoS: Beskar. Also GH, what part of my line of logic don't you like?
Okay, scratch what I said earlier, I will follow up more closely with TC tomorrow.
Unvote: Tincow
Vote: Shlin28
One more please! Sasaki?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 05:00
unvote:TinCow,Vote:Shlin
Been fos'd, been hos'd...let's here you say yay now.
Hopefully ylc vs tincow duel comes up.
Seamus Fermanagh
04-24-2009, 05:00
Unvote: taka
Vote: Shlin28
Hai, tono. Wakirimasen, keredomo hai.
Lurker List (dead and non-players dropped): Name postcount out of 912 -- notes
Haudegen 5 -- voted both d1 and d2, comments short and inquisitive, hard to assess
taka 5 -- 2 pre-play posts, abstained d1 and d3, voted for Asen d2, total word count contributed is 21, subtracting the 7 that were bolded votes that's 14 words. This is the I totally lurk so that nobody notices me and I don't get the chop approach. I loathe this as its hugely beneficial to mafiosi, even if taka san is not a ninja here.
Yoyoma1910 4 -- voted d1, not since
El Diablo 4 -- missed d1, voted d2 & d3 (with challenge)
Beaver 3 -- abstained d1, nothing since
Dutch_guy 3 -- no votes so far, possible WOG in waiting
Psychonaut 3 -- signup, voted shlin d1, abstained d2: VERY productive voting record for 3 posts :inquisitive:
A Very Super Market 3 -- voted d1, not since
Jolt 3 -- abstained d1, nothing since
Crazed Rabbit 3 -- voted d1, not since
Banquo's Ghost 2 -- voted d1, not since, less active then usual in BR
Tristan de Castelreng 2
Peasant Phill 2 -- only post laments his being too late to vote both times
Xehh II 2
Wishazu 1 -- recent replacement, first post was a vote for Haudegen
Bolded names indicate dangerous lurker
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 05:01
Holy @#$@%. Was there a hard deadline? Because that is awesome if so--had no idea.
Lol... I am Lord Takeda Shingen... and any votes against me as discarded. I am confirmed pro-town... yet you want to lynch me? :inquisitive:
I didn't answer anyone's question about the duel rating scale for the reason that I didn't want that information to get in the wrong hands. The fact you are fishing for that information means that you deserve HoS: Beskar. Also GH, what part of my line of logic don't you like?
It was a typo, I meant shlin28 to copy you, but for some reason, I typed your name by accident. After I edited the scoring, I looked down and thought "Who is that idiot who voted for CountArach... oh beepers!"
And it I told you the reason in my PM, it wasn't suspicious at all.
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 05:05
If its a 5am GMT cut off then that would be some damn good timing...
Beskar don't go back and edit votes!
You have to make a new post and unvote if you accidently vote for someone wrong... or just in general don't edit a vote into a post...
GeneralHankerchief
04-24-2009, 05:07
CA, check your inbox in a bit. I'm doing about 4 things at once so it may take a minute.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 05:08
Actually it's an extended day phase so we have plenty of time. Although andres's listed times make zero sense to me. I thought we had like 5 hours left when he closed voting yesterday, and now he says 36 hours but voting lasts till saturday???
You have to make a new post and unvote if you accidently vote for someone wrong... or just in general don't edit a vote into a post...
No one replied and I thought I fixed it. Everytime I change my vote, I post saying unvote then vote. However, I just wrote the wrong name down when I meant another. >_> Its the 5am bug where you read "CountArach seems to have a good case" and accidently put his name down...
Seamus Fermanagh
04-24-2009, 05:12
Holy @#$@%. Was there a hard deadline? Because that is awesome if so--had no idea.
Random chance is amazing. :laugh4: I hadn't even read Arach's reasoning (hence the wakirimasen comment) while putting together my lurker list, but I had no better line of attack and he IS the only known innocent. So the timing just...happened.
GH: If he did lie about his duel score to CA, that was a dumb move. I think CA is making a legit judgement call based on this.
CA: The lynch of Sigurd was probably not the best, but using rounds 2-5 to take out lurkers (absent a better line of attack such as you provided or YLC attempted on Tincow) is not bad play. Known players who are lurking must be prodded or removed.
CA: I would also like to know which lurkers on my list supplied you with duel scores, and who did not. Might help us sort the wogs from those who should be pressured to join in.
Beskar: Please don't edit a vote, many hosts will wog you for it immediately.
Beskar: Please don't edit a vote, many hosts will wog you for it immediately.
It was a blunder and trying to cover up my blunder, I did another one, apologies to everyone in the game and the host.
Let me stress, this is 100% legitimate intended vote in that particular post. I half-doozely just typed the person who brought the point up which made me want to change my vote, instead of the person they said. Yes, it was a silly stupid mistake.
I will edit back the other vote to the original and restate it here. Please be forgiving. :embarassed:
Unvote: CountArach
Vote: shlin28
CountArach
04-24-2009, 05:20
CA: The lynch of Sigurd was probably not the best, but using rounds 2-5 to take out lurkers (absent a better line of attack such as you provided or YLC attempted on Tincow) is not bad play. Known players who are lurking must be prodded or removed.
Yeah I agree, but I just think there might have been other targets. I suppose there really wasn't given what we did/didn't know.
CA: I would also like to know which lurkers on my list supplied you with duel scores, and who did not. Might help us sort the wogs from those who should be pressured to join in.
Those who did:
Haudegen
Yoyoma1910
A Very Super Market - with the addition comment that he doesn't post much but that he is always reading. I for one would like to hear more from him.
Those who didn't:
taka
El Diablo
Beaver
Dutch_guy
Psychonaut
Jolt
Crazed Rabbit
Banquo's Ghost
Tristan de Castelreng
Peasant Phill
Xehh II
Wishazu
Page 32 Tally List
Fatality: [The one who is going to get lynched.]
shlin28 8 CountArach, LittleGrizzly,Beskar,GeneralHankerchief, YLC, Sasaki Kojiro, Seamus Fermanagh, ajaxfetish
YLC 4 El Diablo, White eyes, Reenk Roink, Ichigo
TinCow 2 Chimpyang, Husar
Taka 2 Seamus Fermanagh, Captain Blackadder
Stephen Asen 1 woad&fangs
Haudegen 1 Wishazu
LittleGrizzly 1 Rhyfelwyr
Abstain 3 Caius, taka, Glenn
Mortal Kombat: [Duels.]
GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief
Glenn Vs YLC
The Usual Suspects: [A section for those who keep cropping up from previous rounds.]
shlin28 A
Stephen Asen C
Beskar C
Sasaki Kojiro D
YLC D
Haudegen D
LittleGrizzly D
The rank system for the Usual Suspects:
Rank S Special Recommend Lynch ASAP.
Rank A Strong High Possibility Mafia-role.
Rank B Popular Popular on the list.
Rank C Mild Common name on the list.
Rank D Weak Just cropped up once or twice.
Rank E Not Listed Not worth listing.
Ranks are decided upon position on the table and how many weeks. This is a trial of last two weeks and current scoring.
Seamus Fermanagh
04-24-2009, 05:31
Thanks CA. I'll make a note of it. 'night all.
LittleGrizzly
04-24-2009, 05:31
Dont worry about the edit wog thing, its for people intentionally trying to mess with the tally...
liking the usual suspects thing, though what you basing it on ?
Just names popping up or votes ?
The lynching of sigurd is unfortunate but not too scummy i think seamus assessment is spot on..
Think we should pressure some of the lurkers next round maybe (absent something juicy)
One problem with your list, Wishazu on the end, i now he only has one post and its a vote but coming in on the day phase and making the effort to make a vote (which isn't a bandwagon) he probably deserves not to be known as a lurker...
Iskander 3.1
04-24-2009, 05:52
How to commit seppuku:
http://www.realultimatepower.net/ninja/seppuku.htm
PershsNhpios
04-24-2009, 05:58
My god!
I am never to neglect reading this thread again, lest I be forced to sit in this chair for 45 minutes reading accusation after accusation and votes!
I have read so much and tried to recollect so many opinions that I have forgotten the night report!
But nonetheless I have no opinionated reason to vote for any of the targets presented today, and a vote on a lurker at this point would be wasted.
Yet I have a way of putting a vote on the one I suspect most, who looks to escape death today.
Challenge: YLC
And unless there is a radical change of affairs I vote: abstain.
(I really enjoy the duel system... every game should have one!)
liking the usual suspects thing, though what you basing it on ?
Just names popping up or votes ?
D to B is based on votes and popularity in those votes.
For example, I was popular the first round, the 2nd, so-so, and now, no votes at all. I summed this up as a C.
Stephen Asen is basically the same as mine, so I awarded that with a C. Which was popular 2nd round, so-so this round.
The D's are simply names that popped up twice at this current time.
B would simply be popular vote on a consistence basis.
A is a special case. The 'A' is the prediction of who is going to go out this round, also based on high probability. In this case, they are lying to the Pro-town role big time, our lord and master.
The "S" rank is special. Basically, it is when we are certain some one is a mafia-role member, and need to be lynched as soon as possible. Top priority.
My god!
I am never to neglect reading this thread again, lest I be forced to sit in this chair for 45 minutes reading accusation after accusation and votes!
I have read so much and tried to recollect so many opinions that I have forgotten the night report!
But nonetheless I have no opinionated reason to vote for any of the targets presented today, and a vote on a lurker at this point would be wasted.
Yet I have a way of putting a vote on the one I suspect most, who looks to escape death today.
Challenge: YLC
And unless there is a radical change of affairs I vote: abstain.
(I really enjoy the duel system... every game should have one!)
:coffeenews:
Right - you do realize with the plethora of challenges your "challenge" won't even be counted? And if you suspect me, vote me, and then back it up, even if it's on principle.
But still, false bravado and not voicing your suspicions adequately are sure fire ways to win this game.
ajaxfetish
04-24-2009, 06:04
unvote:Stephen Asen
vote: shlin28
Takeda has spoken
:bow:
Ajax
edit: though I'd still like to hear some kind of explanation from Stephen Asen for his challenge. :stare:
PershsNhpios
04-24-2009, 06:07
Yes, YLC, it does count among the plethora.
You have a one in two chance of having that sarcastic tongue cut out of your head tomorrow morning.
YLC why did you change your vote?
Yes, YLC, it does count among the plethora.
You have a one in two chance of having that sarcastic tongue cut out of your head tomorrow morning.
Only first 4 are counted, so yes he will.
My god!
blah blah blah yada yada yada
Yet I have a way of putting a vote on the one I suspect most, who looks to escape death today. <Who?
Challenge: YLC<Pointless since four duels have already be posted. :thumbsdown:
And unless there is a radical change of affairs I vote: abstain.<Doesn't go with the above
(I really enjoy the duel system... every game should have one!)
:inquisitive:
Only first 4 are counted, so yes he will.
But not by him :coffeenews:
And I changed my vote Ichigo because I will be bringing my case, dead or alive, back tomorrow against TC when it can actually make a difference, unless for some reason the shinobi comes out of the woodwork. Count on it.
And Beefy too - he voted for me and tried to back it up with shoddy reasoning.
But not by him :coffeenews:
And I changed my vote Ichigo because I will be bringing my case, dead or alive, back tomorrow against TC when it can actually make a difference, unless for some reason the shinobi comes out of the woodwork. Count on it.
And Beefy too - he voted for me and tried to back it up with shoddy reasoning.
Why is shlin a better lynch than TC?
I think everyone has learnt to ignore me on the most part. I feel unloved. :sad: (please don't bandwagon me though.)
Why is shlin a better lynch than TC?
Have you read up on CA's argument against him?
Have you read up on CA's argument against him?
I'm pretty sure it said shlin claimed veteran samurai and said his duel score didn't match what other VS had claimed before CA edited his post.
I'm pretty sure it said shlin claimed veteran samurai and said his duel score didn't match what other VS had claimed before CA edited his post.
So...are you suggesting TC is a better lynch based on evidence presented and that the votes on shlin are pointless?
So...are you suggesting TC is a better lynch based on evidence presented and that the votes on shlin are pointless?
I think shlin will be WoG'd for sending his role to CA when Andres said you could only send your duel score.
You made such a nice long argument against TC, I figured you would stick with it. :sad:
I think shlin will be WoG'd for sending his role to CA when Andres said you could only send your duel score.
You made such a nice long argument against TC, I figured you would stick with it. :sad:
Well, according to CA, shlin only sent his duel score and claimed veteran samurai - that's not the same as sending your role, I think.
If it is a woggable offense, then hopefully Andres can sort that out before the round ends. Either way, it's back to TC after the shlin case.
* Revealing your role or character name "in private" (= outside of this thread) is not allowed.
It's ok to send a pm like:
Hi, my battle rating is X
I'm assuming he will, but that's up to Andres I guess
Beefy187
04-24-2009, 07:23
But not by him :coffeenews:
And I changed my vote Ichigo because I will be bringing my case, dead or alive, back tomorrow against TC when it can actually make a difference, unless for some reason the shinobi comes out of the woodwork. Count on it.
And Beefy too - he voted for me and tried to back it up with shoddy reasoning.
Actually no. I havn't voted for you. I was considering it but it was more of a FoS.
The only one I am suspecious of is GH but I already challenged him so theres no point voting for him.
And feel honored for I, Beefy voted (well.. FoS) for someone with reasons other then bandwagon on early rounds. Thats something you can't expect alot from me. :smash:
Actually no. I havn't voted for you. I was considering it but it was more of a FoS.
The only one I am suspicious of is GH but I already challenged him so theres no point voting for him.
And feel honored for I, Beefy voted (well.. FoS) for someone with reasons other then bandwagon on early rounds. Thats something you can't expect alot from me. :smash:
Oops, my mistake now that I look at it - still, you had some awkwardly faulty reasoning...
Beefy187
04-24-2009, 07:46
Oops, my mistake now that I look at it - still, you had some awkwardly faulty reasoning...
Name one game where I didn't have awkwardly faulty reasoning:clown:
EDIT: I'm still working on the skill to make a convincing case. I'll should do a little better next time around
There seems to be some confusion about when this rounds end.
It will last until Saturday April 25th, 9.30 am (GMT+1), that's +/- 36 hours after the previous night (N3) write-up. The day ends when I post "Voting concluded".
CountArach
04-24-2009, 09:24
Well, according to CA, shlin only sent his duel score and claimed veteran samurai - that's not the same as sending your role, I think.
If it is a woggable offense, then hopefully Andres can sort that out before the round ends. Either way, it's back to TC after the shlin case.
Andres, can we get confirmation of any possible punishments for people who send a message saying (By way of example) "I am a Veteran Samurai with Battle Rating X"?
Andres, can we get confirmation of any possible punishments for people who send a message saying (By way of example) "I am a Veteran Samurai with Battle Rating X"?
Forward me the PM in question, please.
On a general note: the rules are clear:
* Revealing your role or character name "in private" (= outside of this thread) is not allowed.
* It's not allowed to quote role pm's or night actions results in private.
:bow:
If you have revealed in public, you are free to repeat that information in further pm traffic.
Chimpyang
04-24-2009, 09:38
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pics/avatars/url-avatars-def/4.jpg
That is Tincow's URL avatar - I ask permission to upload a screenshot because it would seem many people do not see it.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pics/avatars/url-avatars-def/4.jpg
That is Tincow's URL avatar - I ask permission to upload a screenshot because it would seem many people do not see it.
No screenshots, please.
AggonyDuck
04-24-2009, 09:45
Vote: Shlin
Death is yonder
04-24-2009, 10:11
Vote:Shlin28
Well, there is but one confirmed innocent in this game, CA. As such I think I'll listen to Lord Shingen.
Kagemusha
04-24-2009, 12:05
Vote shlin28. Also large FOS to Stephen Asen. Yuo did not give any reasoning for challenging Ajaxfetish. Why?
Whoa... I expected to wake up to a massive vote on me, not a massive shift to someone else. That was a pleasant surprise. Though I no longer feel in danger, I will still respond to YLC's long post against me several pages back out of courtesy. You're going to have to wait until I get to work though, as I can't do it in the few minutes I have at home before the commute.
Vote: shlin28
The only suspect who apparently has some actual solid evidence presented against them so far. Plus, the more votes on him, the more likely I am to survive. :eyebrows:
FactionHeir
04-24-2009, 12:14
Seeing how shlin will be WoGged, is there a point in voting him?
FoS Chimpyang
For trying very hard to find outlandish reasons for TC's guilt.
KukriKhan
04-24-2009, 12:21
vote: shlin28
Following Master's orders. :bow:
Beefy187
04-24-2009, 12:30
Vote: Shlin
PershsNhpios
04-24-2009, 12:41
Really?
Is this the pattern of the game?
Takeda gives all innocents an order, and we follow it, and whoever CountArach suspects dies therefore?
It sounds more like a Total War game than a mafia game... oh well...
Vote: Shlin28 I can't see Andres making it this easy for the town to win.
Dutch_guy
04-24-2009, 12:48
So just to get things straight ( a lot happens when I'm sleeping ), CA, as confirmed pro town has gathered pretty much all of the battle ratings through public reveals in this thread (and not by PM...?).
And Shlin lied about his ? Guess that's about as good a case as we're going to have this far along.
Vote: Shlin.
:balloon2:
Kagemusha
04-24-2009, 12:50
Really?
Is this the pattern of the game?
Takeda gives all innocents an order, and we follow it, and whoever CountArach suspects dies therefore?
It sounds more like a Total War game than a mafia game... oh well...
Vote: Shlin28 I can't see Andres making it this easy for the town to win.
This is Takeda Clan. We follow our master to the death if needs to be! I hope you are not challengin Takeda Shingen´s authority, that could result in quick death.:bow:
Beefy187
04-24-2009, 13:56
Really?
Is this the pattern of the game?
Takeda gives all innocents an order, and we follow it, and whoever CountArach suspects dies therefore?
It sounds more like a Total War game than a mafia game... oh well...
Vote: Shlin28 I can't see Andres making it this easy for the town to win.
Was going to say that, but its too early to for other to have that much reasons to vote. Its not like Shingen is going on blind either. So Shlin seems to be a valid choice.
As promised.
Why, specifically, are you leaving out segments of my quotes? Any reason besides it leaves out clarification on your previous statements, and thus making the subject narrower and easier to handle?
I often clip quotes down to the bits that I am specifically responding to. I consider this to be easier to read than to quote an entire post when I'm not responding to an entire post. There are numerous reasons why I choose not to respond to every single bit of every single post; some are practical, and some are tactical.
Post 483 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2217080&postcount=483)
An attempt to analyze the write up - no issue here, normal townie behavior, even though you admit there is nothing to go on - Andres doesn't usually give ANY clues, if at all however.
I dispute your claim that Andres doesn't give any clues. On the contrary, I find Andres' write-ups are often those most worthy of intense scrutiny. He tells stories and connects characters with his write-ups, but he does it in a very intelligent and subtle manner. It is very difficult to find the clues in Andres' write-ups, but the clues are still there simply due to his style.
Post 504 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2217295&postcount=504)
Again, another attempt to analyze the write up, yet your analysis contains faulty logic - your quick to assume and assign rational to Ichigo's vote, yet, if what you said is true, then it would, you know, make sense that Ichigo would either A) not make his case so early, and bide his time to find another, or B) bring his case forward to get the mafioso lynched - available doctors can then protect him.
If you make the argument that Ichigo would not play it that way because he likes to be random, then you can't assign any logic to his vote, since why he did is "random". You were looking for a way to make an easy case against someone and place a vote, even if the case was upon shaky ground, at best.
I was using Ichigo's vote to provoke a response from both GH and Ichigo himself, it was not me blindly following Ichigo. It was just as useful to get Ichigo to give more info on his random vote as it was to pressure GH. It was a two-for-one vote, though it only succeeded against Ichigo.
Post 566 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2217785&postcount=566)
Your previous attempt is foiled! AMG!! Because traitors and ninjas are not aligned? Wasn't this common knowledge? It was shown that the traitors were not only new to the game, but also independent of the ninjas in motivation. Your analysis was originally based on the assumption as well that the Ninja and Samurai operated as two separate entities. Hmmm...
Now you're just reading into things looking for scum. I specifically said: "If true, it would conclusively show that the ninjas and traitors are not allies." Note the conclusively. The point was that it was actual hard evidence that they were opposed to one another, rather than just idle speculation and assumption, which is what we had before that point. I like hard evidence and I like being able to notch something up as 'true' rather than just 'assumed true.'
I pick my words carefully. If you ignore some of them, like you did here, then you are not understanding the meaning behind my posts.
Post 586 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2217920&postcount=586)
The main reason was that your case against GH was flawed initially - no one was going to follow it when it was based on a false assumption. But why jump on Sigurd specifically? I don't see a reason that would have negated you from not jumping on the "stupidly large bandwagon".
Again, my previous vote was against both GH and Ichigo, though done in more subtle manner against Ichigo. At the point of this post, I concluded that I wasn't going to get anything out of GH, so it was time to move on. I saw no point in jumping on the bandwagon here, because my vote would not result in extra pressure that was not already being exerted. The best option for a useful result for my vote was to put it someplace that was likely to result in a bit of pressure. IMO, that means putting it on someone who already had a few votes. Sigurd was my choice.
Post 596 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2217973&postcount=596)
You attempt to explain your reasoning for voting for Sigurd. It's fine as is, but 3 is a pressure vote? Not usually, that's more like it's under serious consideration by a few people. And Yaropolk was the only option? In a game with only half the people posting? They aren't lurking at all? No, but Sigurd is a strong player, and a good one at analyzing behavioral patterns. He is also known for being less active once killed off when not having a role, rather convenient, especially if he really is just to busy to come and post.
At that point, we had a huge bandwagon, and then Sigurd and Yaropolk were tied in second place with 2 votes each. There weren't many options for me to pick for a pressure vote, and 3 votes is certainly a hell of a lot more pressure than 1 or 2 votes. People notice 3 votes, as I think was blatantly shown by the bandwagon that quickly followed me.
As for Sigurd not being active, I'm getting tired of this argument. In the Chicago game, Sigurd specifically said that he had RL issues that reduced his time commitment. Based on that, we let him lurk. He then won as mafia, with the lurking being intentional the whole time. Reputations follow you between mafia games, and in my eyes, Sigurd not posting due to RL reasons has absolutely no proof of innocence. In fact, it makes me nervous.
Post 609 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218034#post2218034)
Asking for duel scores - can whatever they tell you be considered truthful? Won't trying to analyze what they tell and whether or not they are lying lead to WIFOM? How is this actually helpful, except to eliminate a target for the mafioso?
I never expected a response from Sasaki on that, it was simply me prodding him a bit. He does similar things to me in mafia games, though it's usually by PM. Sasaki and I tend to dance around each other a lot in every game. Frankly, I enjoy it. He's my favorite person to spar with.
Post 615 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218058#post2218058)
Wow we move fast - first none productive and bordering on self-destructive, it can now be used to find mafioso! But wait, isn't that the opposite of what you asserted before?
Not remotely. I'm not encouraging anyone to duel, I'm just agreeing that giving duel score claims to the person that we know for sure is pro-town is a decent safeguard. FYI, I submitted my own duel score shortly after I posted that.
Post 781 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219482#post2219482)
Pointless post made about eliminating players who annoy you because they changed their username. This one just simply smells scummy to me, and I can't quite articulate why.
Sometimes I just post for fun. If you doubt the sincerity level of my annoyance with the pever crew, ask any green moderator what my opinion was on that subject...
Post 789 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219514#post2219514)
Whoops, dueling is bad again. You won't actively discourage it though, or create a process to control it. Hmmm.....
It was always bad, I never said it wasn't. Your belief that I did is because you are distorting my words. As for not trying to discourage it, what more should I do than say I think it hurts the town and I won't personally engage in it? I can't exactly force it on people, can I? As for creating a process to control it, that's absurd. I'm not ATPG, I don't run around demanding that people do things that are out of my ability to enforce. I have no way to stop people from dueling, so I'm not going to waste my time with it.
If you're so in favor of duel controls, why exactly have you now challenged me?
Post 806 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2219575&postcount=806)
You acting as if you had not read the write up, when, to assert that a large portion of the "pevers" were already dead, you'd have to read the write up. Your making a statement that you could have paired with Post 781, it would have been obvious had you checked the alive or dead list, and your running over something you asserted earlier and should be obvious - the ninjas are working together.
This whole thing feels sloppy and/or scummy. Also, anyone having pad attention will notice the groupings by which hour the kills take place, so this was, essentially, a null point your trying to make - your being idle while looking helpful, just as you were with the dueling, just like the round when Stephen was under pressure.
Acting as if I hadn't read the write-up? Are you kidding me? I said I didn't have time to do a full kill analysis. Did you see how long my previous one was? Those things take time to figure out and write up, and I have a full time job. I was posting from work and was 40 minutes away from quitting time with a case to finish. I simply didn't have time to get it done, which is exactly what I said.
Apologies, but my job takes precedence over this game. When I have work to get done, I have to do it.
Post 817 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219630#post2219630)
First you state that Andres prioritizes them in such a way so that all night actions happen each night, which is technically impossible since in gaming terms mafia actions have a higher priority then non-mafia actions for ability resolution. But I digress - you quickly switch to the assertion that each is then order from top to bottom in chronological order. But if this is true, then that breaks the prioritization based on getting in all abilities - each hour set is dominated by one faction, not broken up so all act individually - there is to much consistency on how the kills are managed for it not to be a "Ninja's kill first, Traitors/SK's kill second".
Fine, you disagree with my opinion on how Andres figures out the night results and creates the write-ups. C'est la vie.
Yoyoma1910
04-24-2009, 14:31
Moon on the water,
Made dance by
Hurried rain.
The wind whispers not.
Vote:GeneralHankerchief
Louis VI the Fat
04-24-2009, 14:38
TinCow misspells 'c'est la vie'. Scummy. However, the lynch candidates YLC and TinCow do not set off my alarmbells. (By which I don't mean that I think they're innocent, or that I 'know' something, just that they don't set off my alarmbells yet)
FoS: Stephen Asen. Also, Dutch-Guy. And I am still not sure about Beskar. Either hyper-innocent or a clever mafia player.
CountArach has a good case on Shlin. Not a conclusive case. I know Shlin a bit, and he would claim a huge battlerating even when innocent.
Unlike me. Me, I'd never brag openly about the penetrating power of that huge katana dangling down from my waist, and the looks it generates from excited geishas.
Seeing as Shlin will get lynched anyway, I'll follow my FoS and
Vote: Stephen Asen
Food for thought:
If Shlin is ninja, then why were there not three (or four/ five) untrustworthy duel ratings sent in?
A) Did they not communicate about the Duel Rating reveal? That's unlikely.
B) Or, are the other ninjas testing the scale by having one of theirs send in a score, and waiting to see what happens first? This could mean the others are to be found on the list of non-PM'ers. Are they testing their luck first with Shlin?
C) Or, did the ninjas perhaps try to spread their changes? Each one sending in a score on a different scale, hoping to get it right? Like, one says: 'my rating is D', the other says 'my rating is 'veteran Samurai', the third says '78'?
If Shlin is guilty, it seems thus more likely that he is a traitor than ninja. Is the other traitor already dead, or did, again, the two traitors a) not communicate, b) test the result first, c) spread their chances?
Lots of interesting information is to be distilled from the information CA is sitting on:
a) The ninjas / traitors did not lie to CA. The battle ratings are all really close. So the mafia have no real duel advantage. With all the implications of that.
b) The ninjas / traitors did lie to CA. The battle ratings are all not close, but the mafia (minus Shlin?) knew exactly what samurai rating to send in. Did anybody share their rating with anybody? This would lead to mafia.
c) There's more too! CA is a clever man with statistics and I must leave it up to him, to work in secrecy. But you should've seen what CA managed to distill from his following countless polls during the US election! For example, already in October 2008 CA managed to predict a win for Obama!! ~:eek:
Louis VI the Fat
04-24-2009, 14:42
I apologise for the challenge - which cannot be taken back. You know what they say, Chimpyang: a Samurai, a proud man of honour, does not for a challenge flee. When faced with adversity or possible death, honourable samurais rise up, draw swords, and face whatever may come!
I myself, however, couldn't care less about honour and shall remain hidden in a cupboard all night long...
Challenges, I think, are a waste of townies, so I shall not re-challenge to lower the chance of a duel between us. :grouphug:
To scare you off, and as a courtesy to CA, who asked for our battle ratings (PM to CA or publish them, those who haven't done so!): I am a veteran warrior with battle rating 'katana 8'.
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Gregoshi - you are a geisha. Stop fiddling with your make-up and speak, lass. What happened last night? You 'restored order to the universe', got killed, and said you had failed?
Help us out here...~:confused:
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On another note, stop replacing people, Andres. WOG them. No one has a clue what sort of role they are and if you get them a Mafia-role for example, you are really working against the townies.Good points. I wonder if Andres would not have considered this too. Which means that there is a fair chance the GOG'ed* players are innocent.
(Grace of God, as opposed to Wrath of God. That is, lurking players that are added midgame by the host instead of removed)
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Admittedly i tried to lynch a dead guy but i made the effort to go out and make a half decent caseGrizzly and his lowly minion amuse me with their posts. :beam:
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It took me two hours just to read up from yesterday. Whoa..
There must be useful information in the write-ups. But I can't spare the time now. Also, the Pevercide must have a cause, and should yield important clues. I can't figure it out yet. Must get back to it all later.
Yoyoma1910
04-24-2009, 14:43
Unlike me. Me, I'd never brag openly about the penetrating power of that huge katana dangling down from my waist, and the looks it generates from excited geishas.
Challenge: Louis VI The Fat
TinCow misspells 'c'est la vie'.
:creep:
Yaropolk
04-24-2009, 14:48
How to commit seppuku:
http://www.realultimatepower.net/ninja/seppuku.htm
That's the ninja way of committing seppuku!
I'll Vote: Schlin since CA requested it, however my FOS is on Stephen Asen and by association AggonyDuck
Why? Stephen as poster above mentioned had that strange duel challenge at the start of this round, and in addition when I went fishing for a reaction from AggonyDuck on the 2nd day, Stephen immediately jumped on me with a public message that Sassaki posted earlier and a private message as well (quoted below).
I doubt all the assassins have excellent fighting skills. We risk much if Ducky falls.
CountArach
04-24-2009, 15:00
Lots of interesting information is to be distilled from the information CA is sitting on:
a) The ninjas / traitors did not lie to CA. The battle ratings are all really close. So the mafia have no real duel advantage. With all the implications of that.
b) The ninjas / traitors did lie to CA. The battle ratings are all not close, but the mafia (minus Shlin?) knew exactly what samurai rating to send in. Did anybody share their rating with anybody? This would lead to mafia.
c) There's more too! CA is a clever man with statistics and I must leave it up to him, to work in secrecy. But you should've seen what CA managed to distill from his following countless polls during the US election! For example, already in October 2008 CA managed to predict a win for Obama!! ~:eek:
I'll do some more detailed analysis that I'll post up at my earliest possible convenience (Don't hold your breath though... it's midnight now...). However, what I really need is more numbers, so:
SEND IN YOUR DUEL RATINGS IF YOU HAVEN'T
Reenk Roink
04-24-2009, 15:00
Unvote: YLC
Vote: shlin28
Grizzly and his lowly minion amuse me with their posts. :beam:
:stwmean: The French "warrior" (:laugh4:) seems most preoccupied with our master/slave relationship. This is the third or fourth time he has referenced it and his demeanor suggests worry...
I will ask Master for counsel on the matter, but I want to point it out to the other warriors. A man who cares so much about the doings of others has good potentiality of being a ninja... :stwshame:
AggonyDuck
04-24-2009, 15:08
I don't know how people have acquired the notion that I would have a high battle rating. I certainly wish my rating would be high, but truth be told, I propably have one of the lowest ones in this yashiki. :bow:
Reenk Roink
04-24-2009, 15:10
I don't know how people have acquired the notion that I would have a high battle rating. I certainly wish my rating would be high, but truth be told, I propably have one of the lowest ones in this yashiki. :bow:
:stwmean: From notes of Master on strength:
Strength is not found in battle rating, it is found in wisdom... :stwmean:
FactionHeir
04-24-2009, 15:57
Chances are the mafia groups each have a cover role (I mean if you are a ninja, and you can appear in full Samurai regalia and not set off alarmbells with any of your fellow Samurai...), so duel ratings are not going to be any useful.
Not sure what to make of shlin's duel score claim. But he will get WoGed or lynched either way so we'll find out.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 16:11
It reminds me of the settlement, where taka posted his "merchant" fake pm but had a duel score of 7.
Don't see the point of wog'ing someone for sending self-incriminating information...lol.
Prince Cobra
04-24-2009, 16:14
I am waiting for reply from ajaxfetish (my patience is not eternal, though) and then I will make a statement on the issue. This shall not happen later than 22:30 GMT + 2.
About the anti-Shlin vote. I am not that sure he is guilty. Personally, I think he did a blunder since he does not entirely trust his master (say he has low fighting skills and therefore he fears that in the first suspicion of Takeda he might be challenged and killed). Of course, this casts a great shame on his name and I will feel little sorry for his death. Yet, if we waste our time, 4 more people will die in vain. It also seems he did not have any idea of the rating of anybody in the game. Therefore, he might be not participant in team work (traitor/ninja).
So far I will not cast my vote.
Kagemusha
04-24-2009, 16:17
I am waiting for reply from ajaxfetish (my patience is not eternal, though) and then I will make final statement. This shall not happen later than 0:00 GMT + 2.
About the anti-Shlin vote. I am not that sure he is guilty. Personally, I think he did a blunder since he does not entirely trust his master (say he has low fighting skills and therefore he fears that in the first suspicion of Takeda he might be challenged and killed). Of course, this casts a great shame on his name and I will feel little sorry for his death. Yet, if we waste our time, 4 more people will die in vain. It also seems he did not have any idea of the rating of anybody in the game. Therefore, he might be not participant in team work (traitor/ninja).
So far I will not cast my vote.
May i ask what that reply would be about?
Prince Cobra
04-24-2009, 16:18
May i ask what that reply would be about?
As I said, I will make a statement on the issue. :bow:
Kagemusha
04-24-2009, 16:21
As I said, I will make a statement on the issue. :bow:
Interesting. Something which cant be openly discussed... Also Sasaki, old friend. Where did your dueling frenzy suddenly vanish?
Prince Cobra
04-24-2009, 16:23
Something which cant be openly discussed...
It will be, it will be... Patience is a virtue...
_Tristan_
04-24-2009, 16:23
Vote : Tincow
I ttruly think Chimpyang might be on to something with his "armor" analysis...
I also completely agree with FactionHeir' s Assessment of the repatition of the night kills... Though I can't see where it leads...
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 16:36
Interesting. Something which cant be openly discussed... Also Sasaki, old friend. Where did your dueling frenzy suddenly vanish?
What happened to your anti-dueling crusade? ~D
Surely you'd like to have a word with GH...
AggonyDuck
04-24-2009, 16:47
About the anti-Shlin vote. I am not that sure he is guilty. Personally, I think he did a blunder since he does not entirely trust his master (say he has low fighting skills and therefore he fears that in the first suspicion of Takeda he might be challenged and killed). Of course, this casts a great shame on his name and I will feel little sorry for his death. Yet, if we waste our time, 4 more people will die in vain. It also seems he did not have any idea of the rating of anybody in the game. Therefore, he might be not participant in team work (traitor/ninja).
So far I will not cast my vote.
He has claimed to be a veteran samurai, thus he would have little to worry about in case of a duel. What he did was send our Lord a battle rating far higher than what other samurai of similar experience had. Also why would he not trust his master if he truly was a loyal servant of the Tiger of Kai? We live and die by his hand. Only complete integrity towards our master will save his and our lives. I don't quite understand your attempt to defend him. I had more or less took you off my 'propable suspects list', but after this you're back on it.
:inquisitive:
Prince Cobra
04-24-2009, 16:51
He has claimed to be a veteran samurai, thus he would have little to worry about in case of a duel. What he did was send our Lord a battle rating far higher than what other samurai of similar experience had. Also why would he not trust his master if he truly was a loyal servant of the Tiger of Kai? We live and die by his hand. Only complete integrity towards our master will save his and our lives. I don't quite understand your attempt to defend him. I had more or less took you off my 'propable suspects list', but after this you're back on it.
:inquisitive:
Well, I simply think he made too big blunder to be harmful. About the service: you are right. He failed to serve his master. But maybe we will be able to deal with him later on... Yet, I agree he shall die eventuially.
I AM NOT LYING TO CA! I DID NOT INFLATE MY BATTLE RATING!
Done. Vote: Abstain
A true warrior never fears death.
To Stephen Asen:
When did I state I have a low battle rating? I always said I was a veteran samurai...
Kagemusha
04-24-2009, 16:55
What happened to your anti-dueling crusade? ~D
Surely you'd like to have a word with GH...
My stance have not changed one bit. I was just asking where did your blood lust go?
AggonyDuck
04-24-2009, 16:58
Well, I simply think he made too big blunder to be harmful. About the service: you are right. He failed to serve his master. But maybe we will be able to deal with him later on... Yet, I agree he shall die eventuially.
Why should he not die now? Do we have a better suspect to vote for?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 17:04
My stance have not changed one bit. I was just asking where did your blood lust go?
You should stop attacking your own arguments :book:
AggonyDuck
04-24-2009, 17:04
By the way guys: Wouldn't it be possible to use the duels as a second lynch? Essentially we ensure that noone posts challenges without permission from Count Arach and then we force the second and third most suspicious samurai to battle it out? That way we can kill two suspicious samurai per day, which should help us a bit more than random challenges.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-24-2009, 17:06
I prefer the system as is.
Prince Cobra
04-24-2009, 17:07
By the way guys: Wouldn't it be possible to use the duels as a second lynch? Essentially we ensure that noone posts challenges without permission from Count Arach and then we force the second and third most suspicious samurai to battle it out? That way we can kill two suspicious samurai per day, which should help us a bit more than random challenges.
Interesting idea. :book:
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