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Sasaki Kojiro

05-09-2009, 00:32

Beskar, you never responded to my comment about your user title.

Beskar

05-09-2009, 00:35

Remember Rule #1

FactionHeir

05-09-2009, 00:40

And everyone seems to ignore my accusations :inquisitive:

KukriKhan

05-09-2009, 02:07

The Mafia plan is simple, they will kill all the innocents bar myself, then when I am the only innocent left, they will go "lol, try to get out of this now" and any other innocents would just join the bandwagon against me and ensure they win. That is the Mafia tactic and the reason I am still in the game. It is thanks to people who are on the dimmer side of the light bulb which are obsessed with lynching me which allows it to happen in the mafia's favour. In other words, Mafia-role want to purposely have suspicions against me and use me as their scape-goat.

Magical.

That is how I have been in the game so long and it is what I purposely played to in the beginning. Hell, I even said it near the beginning, go and read it.

The bolded bit is the reason "people... are obsessed with lynching (you)...".

On my personal Kindergarten Report Card, you get

A+ for participation
F- for "works well with others", and
D for mafia-play*

*unless it turns out that you are Mafia, then A+ for mafia-play. Brilliant deception via annoying participation! A very risky strategy, well played. Also A+ for 'works well', assuming the 'others' are your fellow maf's.

I'm no longer a live townie, so my vote has little weight, but I urge a lynch on Rhyf, and that GH duel Beskar.

Beskar

05-09-2009, 02:12

Yeah, have the confirmed innocent duel another one. Great logic.

Csargo

05-09-2009, 02:27

Ichigo's sarcastic style is a confession of him being a mafia-role.

Yeah, have the confirmed innocent duel another one. Great logic.

:inquisitive:

Beskar

05-09-2009, 02:29

You aren't a confirmed innocent but actually a suspected player. Thus, your point is invalid.

Since you didn't quote the whole of it anyway, even more invalid as it is a strawman.

Caius

05-09-2009, 02:38

Once more he has proven to be mafia or to be an epic failure as a townie.

Yaropolk

05-09-2009, 02:45

Current Vote Tally
-------------------------
Dutch_Guy (3) Woad&Fangs, GH, ajaxfetish
Beskar (2) Ichigo, Dutch_Guy
Ichigo (1) Beskar
Yoyoma (1) Kagemusha
Kagemusha (1) Yoyoma

Beskar

05-09-2009, 02:50

Once more he has proven to be mafia or to be an epic failure as a townie.

Epic success as a townie.

woad&fangs

05-09-2009, 02:51

Ajax- I believe his story about sending pms to Andres early in the game. That doesn't sound like a mafiaesque thing to do.
Dutch_Guy- Too quiet but I don't really have anything else against him.
Chimp- he's been MIA for too long for me to consider him as a suspect
Ichigo- he is playing like he normally does. I consider him to be innocent.
Kage- I'm not getting bad vibes off of him but he's a crafty player so its hard to tell
GH- He seems innocent to me
Beskar- should be lynched out of principle
Rhyf- A lot of people think he is scummy but I have no idea what his normal behavior is.

woad&fangs

05-09-2009, 02:55

Rhyf is innocent. The role Pm he posted has his name spelled wrong. :balloon3:

edit: nevermind, Andres could have misspelt it in a cover role too. I really am not sure who to vote for~:shame:

GeneralHankerchief

05-09-2009, 03:18

In order to tie things up:

Unvote: Dutch_guy
Vote: Rhyfelwyr

KukriKhan

05-09-2009, 03:23

Epic success as a townie.

A duel with a known battle strongman (GH), with a subsequent lynch should you prevail, would settle that question to everyone's satisfaction.

-edit-
too bad such measures seem necessary so late in the game, when victory or defeat hang in the balance.

GeneralHankerchief

05-09-2009, 03:31

Unvote: Rhyfelwyr
Vote: Dutch_guy

I apologize to everyone, especially Andres, for my schizo voting patterns. But I just don't see Beskar as a mafioso anymore. I just don't.

woad&fangs

05-09-2009, 03:31

I missed yoyoma in my thoughts post. I think yoyoma can be considered innocent. I looked back at the Golden Rule (AKA the handy-dandy scummy behavior guide) and yoyo appeared to play very seriously. This is at odds with his current behavior.

Gregoshi

05-09-2009, 04:21

KukriKhan

05-09-2009, 04:55

Our impending epic failure will be the Takeda town for years to come. Scarred for life. Branded forever. How do I tell my kids "Yes, I was a townie at Shingen's side when the ninja handed us our heads, butts and any other body part they chose." I'd compose an appropriate haiku but it would probably result in another innocent getting lynched from a dangling participle. :shame:

One morning I shot
an elephant in my pants.
I will never know.

Yoyoma1910

05-09-2009, 06:59

Wait wait wait.

How long was Chimp gone?

Does his absense correspond with the eye stabber of the Ox hour?

AggonyDuck

05-09-2009, 07:43

He was absent for five days.

Andres

05-09-2009, 09:01

Voting concluded. Stand by for execution.

Andres

05-09-2009, 09:42

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Day 9 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/birdinsnow.jpg

Hour of the Monkey

The condemned was looking around him, watching the magnificent landscape of snow and mountains. It was a silent evening and for once, the wind wasn't blowing.

For a samurai, there's no greater honor than to die in the service of his master.

Fukuda Ayumu (Dutch_guy) would not become a name remembered by history as the name of a man who had died in the service of his Lord; since he died before him. He had failed.

He shrugged. He knew that it was useless to worry about karma. Karma was what it was, karma. When he looked up at the sky and watched the first twinkling stars appearing, he wondered if his parents were among them.

A little bird stopped in front of him. It was time to join the twinkling stars. As he opened his kimono and picked up the clean knife in front of him, the bird impatiently jumped up and flew away.

The condemned smiled.

He kept smiling when he plunged the knife into his belly. Before the smile could leave his face, the blade of his kaishakunin struck mercifully.

The men surrounding him, nodded respectfully.

~~~

Tally:

Dutch_guy: 3 (ajaxfetish, GeneralHankerchief, woad&fangs) :skull:

Beskar: 2 (Dutch_guy, Ichigo)
Ichigo: 1 (Beskar)
Yoyoma1910: 1 (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha: 1 (Yoyoma1910)

Not voting: 3 (Tiberius of the Drake, Chimpyang, Rhyfelwyr)

~~~

Challenges:

1. Yoyoma1910 vs. Tiberius of the Drake
2. Beskar vs. Ichigo
3. ajaxfetish vs. Ichigo
4. GeneralHankerchief vs. Rhyfelwyr

~~~

Alive (10):

GeneralHankerchief
Ichigo
Stephen Assen aka Tiberius of the Drake
Rhyfelwyr
Beskar
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish

Killed (30):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan
Sasaki Kojiro
CountArach

Gobbledygook
Caius

Wishazu
White_Eyes:D

Fallen in battle (9):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
atheotes
Seamus Fermanagh

Lynched (9):

Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill
FactionHeir
Dutch_guy

WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng
Psychonaut
taka

~~~

It's now night. PM's please. Night will last for 24 hours (that's until 10.30 (GMT+1)).

:bow:

Kagemusha

05-09-2009, 09:54

Husar

05-09-2009, 10:38

Husar when was the last time you played a mafia game with me?

Not since you turned into a quiet shadow of your former self. :no:

FactionHeir

05-09-2009, 11:24

GH voting rhyf and then unvoting to revote dutch seems a bit scummy.

Beskar

05-09-2009, 12:50

However, I have faith in the list, because I know it was right for me and if BQ really did say the response was identical for GH, then I will believe him.

Dutch_guy

05-09-2009, 14:09

Well, seems it ends here. The town should look into GH - that unvote/vote seemed out of place - and how Beskar manages to avoid getting lynched every night is becoming more of a miracle each turn.

:balloon2:

TinCow

05-09-2009, 14:11

Our impending epic failure will be the Takeda town for years to come. Scarred for life. Branded forever. How do I tell my kids "Yes, I was a townie at Shingen's side when the ninja handed us our heads, butts and any other body part they chose." I'd compose an appropriate haiku but it would probably result in another innocent getting lynched from a dangling participle. :shame:

There is no shame in losing to a worthy opponent. The ninja group have truly schooled us in this game. My personal problem is that the people I find the most suspicious are on BG's innocent list. That contradiction has been throwing me off for days.

Beskar

05-09-2009, 14:16

Had very bad luck in the townies, being ran around a maze like rats by the Mafia getting people obsessed with innocents like myself while they get away with murder.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-09-2009, 15:14

I wonder were the ninjas and traitors confident enough this round to use their voting power in unision. If they were. That would cast a serious suspicion over the trio of GH, W&F and Ajaxfetish. Maybe GH is the ninja master after all and Ajax and Woad his henchmen?

I would say GH is almost certainly scum.

No way we lynched a ninja with three votes. This means the town is toast right?

W&F on GH: "he seems innocent to me" must be GH's partner.

GeneralHankerchief

05-09-2009, 16:01

I changed my vote to Dutch_guy because I decided that Beskar was innocent, plain and simple. He will never receive my vote so long as I am alive.

Kagemusha

05-09-2009, 16:30

I would say GH is almost certainly scum.

No way we lynched a ninja with three votes. This means the town is toast right?

W&F on GH: "he seems innocent to me" must be GH's partner.

I pretty much believe we are toast. Unless the traitors and ninjas turn against each other. Afterall it does not help if they kill the town when the other faction will then finish the weaker mafia faction off. You mafia scum should think that also, whom ever you are.

Caius

05-09-2009, 16:34

I would say GH is almost certainly scum.

No way we lynched a ninja with three votes. This means the town is toast right?

W&F on GH: "he seems innocent to me" must be GH's partner.
Only a challenge can do something.

Kagemusha

05-09-2009, 17:10

Only a challenge can do something.

So GH can kill one of us in duel? Doesnt help us much.

Gregoshi

05-09-2009, 17:17

Time is slowing as the last grains of sand tumble from the hourglass. :hourglass:

Wishazu

05-09-2009, 18:24

I`ve been saying all game that GH was dirty but nobody was interested despite the dishonourable behaviour during an earlier duel which everyone disregarded. I still think it was a blatant clue from Andres.

Beskar just seems dodgier and dodgier by the minute, and it looks even worse for him now with GH`s statement that he will never vote for him.

But, what do I know, I`m just a dead, young Samurai who never even got laid. :thumbsdown:

Gregoshi

05-09-2009, 20:59

I`ve been saying all game that GH was dirty but nobody was interested despite the dishonourable behaviour during an earlier duel which everyone disregarded. I still think it was a blatant clue from Andres.

You are referring to GH not bowing to Shingen after his victory and allowing his opponent to shame himself before dealing the fatal blow. I thing several people were on to that too until it was pointed out that Glenn didn't bow either. That seemed to diffuse the "no bow" argument and after that it was easy to explain away the shame aspect with the hatred between the combatants. Had both components stood together GH might have gotten lynched earlier. Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

By my count we have about seven or eight ninjas left. It doesn't look good.

Yoyoma1910

05-09-2009, 21:19

You are referring to GH
By my count we have about seven or eight ninjas left. It doesn't look good.

Maybe it's only one... but he moves so fast it looks like 8.

Yoyoma1910

05-09-2009, 21:28

Ox Houred Eye Stabber (OHES):

Murdered on night 7 5/02-5/03 (15:00)

Didn't kill night 8

Murdered on night 9 5/06-5/07 (14:56)

Does this correspond with Chimp's inactivity?

TinCow

05-09-2009, 23:21

Yes it does.

Chimp's last post before he went inactive (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227767#post2227767):
05-02-2009, 14:55

Chimp's first (and only) post after coming back (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231325#post2231325):
05-07-2009, 09:01

Dutch_guy

05-10-2009, 00:31

It can also be said that his inactivity is an explanation for not having a role, it's suspiciously coincidental perhaps - but it's by no means 'conclusive'.

:balloon2:

atheotes

05-10-2009, 00:33

There is no shame in losing to a worthy opponent. The ninja group have truly schooled us in this game. My personal problem is that the people I find the most suspicious are on BG's innocent list. That contradiction has been throwing me off for days.

My thoughts exactly... could it be possible that the people who are still alive and not in BG's list have been slipping under the radar and havent been given enough attention? this is my first game... and the only people who have escaped being lynched are the ones who have been mostly quiet but not inactive enough to WOGed...:juggle2:

or Beskar has been so loud that he has been a real distraction - and it has helped people stay below the radar...
i just wish we had lynched him long back and just gotten over with it :wall:

Beskar

05-10-2009, 00:40

It is not my fault people are thinking I am guilty. They should reconsider and actually go after the mafia.

Gregoshi

05-10-2009, 05:06

It is not my fault people are thinking I am guilty...
Actually, yes it is your fault. Excessively repeated claims of innocence is a very suspicious behaviour and this "rule" has been mentioned a few times, yet you continue to behave in accordance with the suspicious action cited in the "rule". If you are a loyal townie, you can see this undue focus on you is detrimental to our cause and you should therefore cease that activity and focus your energies towards something more helpful to us. :bow:

Beskar

05-10-2009, 05:24

Hey, it is my first mafia-forum game. In the real-life version, if you attempt any lurking or actually don't take the game seriously, you get lynched faster a digimon fan at a pokemon convention. There are many reasons to why this is, ranging from "being an easy target" afterall, people don't want to be kicked from the game (in real life version, when you die, you become a spectator) and not actually defending your corner means you are a weak target, thus, you go out of the game.

This also ensures there is active participation and people actually playing the game, opposed to this game where half of those alive haven't posted anything significant since "I would like to join this game".

There is also the golden rule "Everyone is innocent". In other words, if you don't act if you are innocent, you must be trying to do an WIFOM, thus get lynched.

So with all the various information, I am not actually that suspicious at all. However, there are people who go "*shrug* I don't care if you lynch me" "*inactive*" are in no way classed as valid targets? It is a complete opposite and contrast, they wouldn't even get past the beginning rounds.

A few of the lynches on the otherhand as well, were completely slimy. "LOL, he is a good player, just lynch him!" does take a whole huge element out of the game.

Gregoshi

05-10-2009, 05:35

Hey, it is my first mafia-forum game...

...opposed to this game where half of those alive haven't posted anything significant since "I would like to join this game".
I forget that you are a noobie too. I still stand by my point, but should have taken a softer tone. :bow: I wonder about your last point as well. :shrug:

Andres

05-10-2009, 09:59

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Night 10 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/ninja2.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Yamashita Tadayoshi (ajaxfetish) walked towards his room. He had a smile on his face. Tonight, he would kiss his beloved Aiko for the first time! He didn't realize that his nightly behaviour was rather odd, to say the least, but so far, nobody really noticed anything.

He had been writing letters to virtual persons, that never got sent, he had been sending prayers to the mighty kami of the mountain, he had been dreaming about a woman that didn't exist. Was it his way to deal with the current situation? Creating a dreamworld where he could lose some tension?

Last night, he had been sitting in his room, playing a game of Macala with an imaginary person. During the day, he had had this look in his eyes, the look of a man who was fallen in love.

Now, as many a veteran samurai knows, falling in love with a woman during a siege wasn’t uncommon. But those kinds of relationships weren’t exactly platonic. And they occured between real people, not between samurai and non existant women!

While Yamashita was busy talking to his pillow, picking it up and kissing it passionately, the shadow entering his room raised an eyebrow. He looked at the samurai and observed the somewhat strange behaviour. He shrugged.

Yamashita was kissing fair Aiko. After 10 days of carefully trying to seduce the girl and getting the approval of her parents and his master, finally there was the reward: a kiss! And apparently, his beloved Aiko was as passionate about him as he was about her. And he never would have thought that she would turn out to be such a great kisser!

He felt two hands on his neck. They were strong! He came more and more satisfied with his Aiko. Not only was she a passionate kisser, she was also a strong woman! Their sons would become mighty samurai!

Yamashita got brutally kicked out off his dreamworld when the strong, dark gloved hands twisted his head with enormous force, breaking his neck with a sickening sound.

The killer left the room unnoticed.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/throwingknives.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Abe Ritsu (Chimpyang) was furious! This was sheer idiocy! There he was, standing guard in the freezing cold, no fire, because “that would blind your eyes and you won’t notice an attacker coming near”. What attacker?! The mountain passes were blocked by snow and the enemy was to be found inside! Ha! He wouldn’t be surprised if the officer giving this nonsensic orders would turn out to be a murderer himself.

And so he was standing guard, outside the gates of the yashiki, raging and cursing.

“Abe Ritsu! You shouldn’t question your orders! That brings bad karma.”

Abe turned around and he saw a man coming near.

“Hey there. But you’ll have to admit that this is sheer idiocy. It’s impossible to get through the mountain passes now and why would a killer take a walk outside if he can do his dirty work in the warm yashiki?”

The other samurai shrugged.

“Maybe, but then again, a lone guard standing outside makes an ideal target.”

“Yeah, indeed. That shows that it’s even more idiotic to put somebody out here alone.”

“You’re not alone, at the moment,” the other samurai replied.

“Yes, I feel much better now. It’s nicer to be standing here with two. What idiot sent you to stand guard here?”

The other samurai shrugged. “Nobody.”

Abe looked surprised and stared at the other samurai as if he were insane. He then started to shake his head and spit on the ground. Suddenly, he realized something and he started to unsheath his katana. When he looked at the spot where the other samurai had been standing, there was nobody. He looked around him but all he saw was darkness.

A moment later, a poisoned throwing knife pierced through his throat.

The killer left the scene unnoticed.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/shinobi.jpg

Hour of the Ox

Kondou Itou (Tiberius of the Drake) went back to his room. He always hated it to stand guard, but with so many dead, everyone was bound to have at least one round of guard duty each night. He shrugged, those having to wake up in the middle of the night to take the second or third guard round were even more unfortunate than him.

He giggled. If you wanted to hear alot of cursing, cursing that would even make the lowest prostitute blush, then you had to wake up a veteran samurai and tell him he had guard duty.

Kondou put aside his swords and he undressed for the night. Exhausted as he was, he almost immediately fell asleep.

A man carrying a dagger sneaked into the room. He watched his victim and made sure he was asleep. Silently, he came near. He pierced the knife through the throat of his victim, through his larynx, making it impossible for Kondou to make any sound. The killer then finished his job by piercing the dagger through Kondou’s right eye, right into his brains.

He wiped the blade clean on the kimono of his victim and left the room.

Day 10 – Seven Samurai

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/Kofu.jpg

Hour of the Rabbit.

At dawn, the samurai gathered on the courtyard. They looked at each other and noticed that three of them were missing.

7. Of Lord Shingen’s men, there were only seven left alive. Would they turn out to be magnificent?

One of the oldest samurai wrote down the challenges that had been thrown out the previous day. He looked at the remaining samurai.

"I’ll only need two straws today". He looked at the duelists. "Short straw will duel".

Michishige Michiyo (Ichigo) looked at the straw in his hand. He nodded towards Chiba Tadayoshi (Beskar).

The old samurai nodded towards both men: “No armor, no hidden wea…”

“No hidden weapons, only katana and wakizashi, yeah, yeah. Do you think we are stupid?”, Chiba interrupted.

The other samurai started to look a bit uncomfortable by this disturbing of the ritual. They hoped this wouldn’t bring bad karma over them.

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/duel.jpg

Michishige calmly unsheated his katana and looked at his opponent. Chiba on his turn, drew out his katana and immediately started to taunt his opponent, yelling profanities at him that would make prostitutes blush. Chiba yelled how he, the only remaining true innocent, would end this nonsense.

While he was still yelling he stormed forwards, swinging his katana in the direction of Michishige’s neck. Michishige easily blocked this uncontrolled attack and stepped aside. Chiba was unbalanced, which allowed Michishige to give his opponent a nasty kick between the legs.

Chiba moaned softly. Michishige tried to take advantage of the situation to end the duel quickly and struck with his katana, at his turn aiming for the neck of his opponent. Chiba managed to quickly jump aside and block the attack, the adrenaline pumping through his veins made him forget the pain in the lower part of his body.

Chiba then attacked again. Michishige blocked the attack and quickly riposted, causing a severe injury. Chiba looked surprised at his chest and he started to cry.

“I’m innocent! I’m innocent! You’re all idiots! Only an idiot would kill an innocent! Let me live! I'm innocent!”

Chiba tried to turn around and to run away, much to his disgrace, but he stumbled. Michishige calmly came near and decapacitated his opponent.

He nodded towards the body of his victim.

It was picked up and put on a woodpile, along side the other three bodies of the previous night.

While the stench of burning meat was surrounding them, the remaining samurai started to discuss.

~~~

Alive (6):
GeneralHankerchief

Ichigo
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Yoyoma1910
woad&fangs

Killed (33):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan
Sasaki Kojiro
CountArach

Gobbledygook
Caius

Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Stephen Assen aka Tiberius of the Drake
Chimpyang
ajaxfetish

Fallen in battle (10):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
atheotes
Seamus Fermanagh
Beskar

Lynched (9):

Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill
FactionHeir
Dutch_guy

WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng
Psychonaut
taka

~~~

It's now day. You can start voting. Day will be an extended one and will last for +/- 36 hours, that's until 23.00 (GMT+1)

:bow:

FactionHeir

05-10-2009, 12:20

Lynch woad.

Rhyfelwyr

05-10-2009, 12:38

Vote: woad & fangs

He has only drifted by occasionaly, often to remove people from the spotlight. I know I haven't been round much either, but i've been following and I can't think of anything helpful to say.

TinCow

05-10-2009, 14:27

Interesting that the game is still going. If there were 3 mafioso alive, it would be over. In this regard I will again note that the rules say that the ninjas get 3 kills per night. The way it is worded seems to mean that they get 3 kills regardless of how many are left alive. Regardless, if this isn't just a narrative tactic to make the ending longer, this is definitely our last shot at it.

GeneralHankerchief

05-10-2009, 14:34

Well, at least we won't be distracted with Beskar this round.

Need to do a reread of everybody alive's posts.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-10-2009, 15:03

We need to be very careful with our challenges. If there are two ninja alive then even if we lynch one we lose...unless we beat the other in a challenge.

There not being three ninja left changes things a lot. I assumed there were.

FactionHeir

05-10-2009, 15:05

Was Beskar a veteran? If so, Ichigo is the ninja master because he was very calm and always in control, as if Beskar was effortless to him.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-10-2009, 15:11

I wouldn't draw to much from the write up.

The choice of kills all game has been very GH like.

Beskar

05-10-2009, 16:54

I am a young samurai, not a veteran. Looks like I am dead then, at least you would be satisfied that I wasn't a mafia afterall.

Though, I am upset at how Andres made me look like a cry baby. :p

Kagemusha

05-10-2009, 17:42

Am i right, but is GH last one left alive from Banguos list? Also Ichi bowed to his victim, not to our lord.

Beskar

05-10-2009, 17:47

What surprises, is that the Traitor and the Ninja seem to be working together.

Yoyoma1910

05-10-2009, 17:51

Also Ichi bowed to his victim, not to our lord.

Can you elaborate on this further?

Kagemusha

05-10-2009, 17:59

Can you elaborate on this further?

Sorry my mistake after reading through few last duels, it seems our Lord has been nowhere to be seen during those.

AggonyDuck

05-10-2009, 18:28

Am i right, but is GH last one left alive from Banguos list? Also Ichi bowed to his victim, not to our lord.

I think I smell a rat. :inquisitive:

Kagemusha

05-10-2009, 19:01

I think I smell a rat. :inquisitive:

In that case. Duckie i suggest you pull that rat out from your nose and start looking for the mafia somewhere they actually are.~;)

Yoyoma1910

05-10-2009, 19:20

Sorry my mistake after reading through few last duels, it seems our Lord has been nowhere to be seen during those.

And do you know why that is?

Beskar

05-10-2009, 19:24

It is because he is dead and Kagemesha winked, he is mafia.

Yoyoma1910

05-10-2009, 19:28

It is because he is dead and Kagemesha winked, he is mafia.

I didn't ask you, did I?

Csargo

05-10-2009, 23:08

Lynch woad.

Why woad?

woad&fangs

05-10-2009, 23:16

I do not believe the ninjas would challenge unless they had to.

GH- Is a "confirmed" innocent and he has challenged frequently.

Kage- He is either messing with us or he truly didn't realize that Shingen was dead. I believe it is the latter and I also believe that Kage would have noticed if he was a ninja.

Yoyoma1910- The haikus could be an easy way to mask mafia behavior but the only time I've seen him as a mafioso he was rather serious. His challenger died during the night.

Ichigo- He has fought in two duels and does not appear guilty to me based on either the duel descriptions or his in-game behavior.

Rhyfelwyr- He was in the early abstain bandwagon. He had retaliatory/defensive votes against Tincow and LittleGrizzly. In his favor, the kill choices seem more like that of a veteran. Also, GH survived through the night despite challenging Rhyf.

vote: Yoyoma1910

Rhyf, if you look at previous games I have played, you will see that this is just my style. For reference, Taormina is a large game in which I was a townie and Netherworld is a large game in which I was mafioso. I have played in other games and I encourage you to look at them too.

KukriKhan

05-10-2009, 23:30

woad&fangs

05-10-2009, 23:44

Okay, I've tracked down 2 more games in which Yoyo was a baddie. These are Murder Manor II and Filet Royale. In both of those games he had a much more playful tone than in the Golden Rule. I now feel more confident about my vote on him.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-10-2009, 23:58

I keep thinking I'll do a reread but I can't find the time. I would say that woad and GH are almost certainly mafia. GH should be lynched and woad challenged.

atheotes

05-11-2009, 01:02

Alive (6):
GeneralHankerchief
Ichigo
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Yoyoma1910
woad&fangs

With so little of substance to go on, I leave it to chance to decide. I pull the Ace through 6 of Spades from a deck of cards, and say whoever gets 4, 5, or 6 is mafia. My able assistant certifies that I have not looked at the cards since shuffling. Lets see how I do guessing, using the cards:

GeneralHankerchief - 4
Ichigo - 5
Rhyfelwyr - 3
Kagemusha - 2
Yoyoma1910 - A
woad&fangs - 6

The cards and I make w&f, Ichigo & GH guilty.

i believe there are a maximum of 2 ninjas still alive.... even if we lynch the correct person, 3 will be killed in the night..leaving 2 people alive and a mafia victory...so we need to get the duels right as well...i believe someone pointed this out already...

actually my hope is that there is only one ninja alive and the town can win with the correct lynch target... but this seems far stretched...

the mafia has played us well... we have absolutely no case against anyone... :stwshame:

all we have is gut feelings and suspicions.... for my part i still think rhyf is mafia...he has been lurking for quite sometime and suddenly jumped on woad... maybe he wasnt able to maintain his silence with victory so close?

Beskar

05-11-2009, 01:47

GH is innocent.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2009, 02:11

GH is innocent.

You just confessed to being mafia.

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 02:37

Well, guess this is it. We have to get this right.

Below spoilers are links to every post the other five alive people have made in the game. After that's done I'll attempt to do an analysis.

Ichigo
1. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2208424#post2208424
2. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2210043#post2210043
3. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2213858#post2213858
4. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215046#post2215046
5. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215054#post2215054
6. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215107#post2215107
7. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215249#post2215249
8. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215323#post2215323
9. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215347#post2215347
10. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215355#post2215355
11. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215399#post2215399
12. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215410#post2215410
13. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215422#post2215422
14. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215441#post2215441
15. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215481#post2215481
16. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215522#post2215522
17. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2216615#post2216615
18. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2216625#post2216625
19. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2216634#post2216634
20. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2216718#post2216718
21. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217127#post2217127
22. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217307#post2217307
23. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217323#post2217323
24. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217355#post2217355
25. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217437#post2217437
26. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217806#post2217806
27. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217896#post2217896
28. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218186#post2218186
29. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218266#post2218266
30. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219076#post2219076
31. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219095#post2219095
32. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219411#post2219411
33. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219511#post2219511
34. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219936#post2219936
35. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220060#post2220060
36. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220063#post2220063
37. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220068#post2220068
38. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220072#post2220072
39. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220076#post2220076
40. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220082#post2220082
41. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220985#post2220985
42. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2222157#post2222157
43. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224241#post2224241
44. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224562#post2224562
45. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2225290#post2225290
46. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227256#post2227256
47. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2228876#post2228876
48. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2229282#post2229282
49. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230414#post2230414
50. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230573#post2230573
51. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230790#post2230790
52. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230958#post2230958
53. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230966#post2230966
54. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231078#post2231078
55. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231560#post2231560
56. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231683#post2231683
57. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232127#post2232127
58. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232339#post2232339
59. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232346#post2232346
60. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232386#post2232386
61. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232454#post2232454
62. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232532#post2232532
63. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233754#post2233754
64.

General comments: I missed a post but can't be bothered to go back and look for it. Participation heavily beginning-weighted, although Ichi's made a minor comeback. Displayed annoyance at the peverviruses before they were purged (save Rhyfelwyr). Post 42 was interesting because he pointed out Sasaki's protection in public. Has gone after Beskar most of the game. I don't see Ichi as our man.

Kagemusha
1. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2213623#post2213623
2. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217882#post2217882
3. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217930#post2217930
4. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217960#post2217960
5. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217988#post2217988
6. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218040#post2218040
7. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218076#post2218076
8. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218122#post2218122
9. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218154#post2218154
10. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218259#post2218259
11. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218272#post2218272
12. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220249#post2220249
13. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220296#post2220296
14. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220438#post2220438
15. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220441#post2220441
16. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220483#post2220483
17. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220516#post2220516
18. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220586#post2220586
19. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220965#post2220965
20. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2221228#post2221228 (note: playstyle discussion)
21. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2221315#post2221315
22. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2222686#post2222686
23. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2222882#post2222882
24. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224829#post2224829
25. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224843#post2224843
26. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224863#post2224863
27. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2225142#post2225142
28. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2225598#post2225598
29. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2225807#post2225807
30. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2226200#post2226200
31. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227670#post2227670
32. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2229001#post2229001
33. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2229207#post2229207
34. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2229214#post2229214
35. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2229229#post2229229
36. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230692#post2230692
37. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230899#post2230899
38. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232002#post2232002
39. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232183#post2232183
40. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232233#post2232233 (argument with fellow living player, Yoyoma, begins here-ish)
41. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232283#post2232283
42. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232715#post2232715
43. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232942#post2232942
44. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232964#post2232964
45. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233561#post2233561
46. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233571#post2233571
47. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233621#post2233621

General comments: Missed the entire first round. Activity has picked up a bit in the endgame. Has never trusted Ducky. His stance on dueling has changed somewhat from his discussion with Sasaki early on and then later in his argument with Yoyoma. Need to take a closer look at this.

Rhyfelwyr
1. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2209336#post2209336
2. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217022#post2217022
3. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217260#post2217260
4. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218344#post2218344
5. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218489#post2218489
6. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218501#post2218501
7. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218521#post2218521
8. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219555#post2219555
9. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219860#post2219860 (VOTES GRIZZLY BECAUSE HE'S DRAWING ATTENTION TO THE SURVIVORS OF THE PEVER MASSACRE (voted YLC, but still))
10. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2221236#post2221236
11. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2222299#post2222299 (pressing the matter)
12. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2222774#post2222774 (short defense)
13. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2223146#post2223146 (role PM after an easy prompting from TC)
14. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224198#post2224198 (then votes TC for "getting [him] to post it"
15. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224953#post2224953
16. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224955#post2224955
17. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2225042#post2225042
18. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227714#post2227714
19. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2228705#post2228705
20. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233405#post2233405
21.

General comments: Okay, so I missed another one. Hasn't participated much recently, saying he "hasn't been able to think much of anything". Out of curiosity, how many of you, as mafia, have sometimes found yourselves unable to vote for someone? I know I have. Got very agitated when it looked like he was going to be lynched.

Yoyoma
1. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2210375#post2210375
2. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2214764#post2214764
3. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215629#post2215629
4. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215633#post2215633
5. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220374#post2220374
6. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220381#post2220381
7. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2222948#post2222948
8. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2222995#post2222995
9. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2223027#post2223027
10. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2223041#post2223041
11. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2223054#post2223054
12. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2223112#post2223112
13. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224610#post2224610
14. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2225196#post2225196
15. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2225224#post2225224
16. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2226918#post2226918 (some writeup analysis)
17. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227022#post2227022 (doesn't unnecessarily press theory)
18. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227079#post2227079
19. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227184#post2227184
20. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227197#post2227197
21. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227650#post2227650
22. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2229273#post2229273
23. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2229274#post2229274
24. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2229277#post2229277
25. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230649#post2230649
26. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230851#post2230851
27. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230859#post2230859
28. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231081#post2231081
29. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231138#post2231138
30. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231593#post2231593
31. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231628#post2231628
32. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232136#post2232136 (focusing on the reappearance of the Ox)
33. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232189#post2232189
34. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232239#post2232239 (argument w/Kage)
35. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232263#post2232263
36. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232271#post2232271
37. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232274#post2232274
38. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232284#post2232284 (votes Kage)
39. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232668#post2232668
40. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233098#post2233098
41. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233104#post2233104
42. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233564#post2233564
43. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233632#post2233632
44. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233641#post2233641
45.

General comments: I always seem to miss one post. The problem with Yoyoma is that many of his posts are in poetry, and thus hard to decipher. His prose posts don't really strike me as suspicious, though. The poetry could just be a really nice cover.

woad&fangs
1.https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2210974#post2210974
2. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2213866#post2213866
3. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2214813#post2214813
4. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215113#post2215113 (anti-"abstain")
5. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215118#post2215118
6. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215123#post2215123
7. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2215133#post2215133
8. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217276#post2217276
9. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2217496#post2217496
10. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218484#post2218484
11. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2218495#post2218495 (anti-pever post)
12. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219481#post2219481 (wants to duel Rhyfelwyr)
13. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219521#post2219521
14. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219553#post2219553
15. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219558#post2219558
16. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219567#post2219567
17. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219568#post2219568
18. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219591#post2219591
19. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219870#post2219870
20. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2219885#post2219885
21. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220737#post2220737
22. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2220764#post2220764
23. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224229#post2224229
24. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224245#post2224245
25. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224304#post2224304
26. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227234#post2227234
27. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227644#post2227644
28. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227672#post2227672 (makes a note of one of QJC's posts)
29. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2228592#post2228592
30. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2228700#post2228700
31. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230198#post2230198
32. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230270#post2230270
33. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231673#post2231673
34. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231701#post2231701
35. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231803#post2231803
36. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232551#post2232551
37. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232553#post2232553
38. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2232571#post2232571 (begins analyzing Yoyoma's behavior)
39. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233759#post2233759
40. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2233782#post2233782 (reverses course on Yoyoma)

General comments: Nothing he does really stands out too much. Seemed eager to duel and use his skill in the town's favor, much like me. In addition, he PM'd me during my schizo-voting period last day phase, asking me what I was doing. Doesn't really seem like mafioso behavior if you ask me.

Final conclusion: I haven't finished everything I want to do with this game yet, but at least this will give everybody something to discuss for now. Basically, my case on Rhyfelwyr is this:

1. He survived the pever massacre.
2. He voted LG for trying to draw attention to the fact that there were survivors.
3. He claims watching the game for a while but apparently hasn't seen anything worth commenting on. Again, I ask: How many of you guys, as mafiosi, have often had trouble creating a reasoning for voting somebody?
4. When it looked like he was going to get lynched for a while, his activity jumped and he got very agitated.

Now, I don't know enough about Rhyf's general mafia game behavior in order to make a really distinct conclusion. If anyone knows more than me, I would appreciate them detailing their knowledge in the thread.

In addition, a quick response to woad's short defense of Rhyf:

In his favor, the kill choices seem more like that of a veteran. Also, GH survived through the night despite challenging Rhyf.

1. He could be deferring to somebody else on kill choices.
2. I looked in trouble during the night phase. Maybe he and his crew picked me as a good final lynch.

Basically, as of right now, I think the evidence against Rhyfelwyr is greater than it is against anyone else. If it's not him, then I suspect Kage and Yoyoma, in that order. But I doubt we'll have time to go through them all.

Vote: Rhyfelwyr

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2009, 04:40

Yes, GH is definitely mafia.

Beskar

05-11-2009, 04:45

Yes, GH is definitely mafia.

You just confessed to being mafia.

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 04:46

Put aside your biases and look at this objectively, Sasaki.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2009, 05:00

Put aside your biases and look at this objectively, Sasaki.

Is it your position that I've been biased against you this game?

What objective facts speak in your favor?

I suppose I could list some of the things that tweak my gut. In no particular order:

The kill choices
your reaction to my reveal
Your challenges remind me much of my own, in that I cared less about who I challenged than about appearing willing to take the risk
Woad and fangs awkwardness in relation to you
the tone of your excuses for lack of attention
The way you came into today with a plan of action

In short, there are many things that remind me of your play in inishmore. After having spent the whole game plotting with you I fancy I have a good feel for your play as mafia.

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 05:10

Not this whole game, just recently.

IIRC, you've always been of the opinion that somebody on Banquo's innocent list is guilty. I'm the only one left. Naturally, if this isn't the case, then this point's moot. But there's more. You've pointed to me specifically over the past 24-48 hours. This is the first time you've mentioned several of those items on your list, retroactively relating them to my guilt. You're finding those behavioral quirks this game because you think they point to my guilt, but the reality is that you want them to point to my guilt because you've already identified me as guilty ever since the Dutch_guy thing IIRC. Confirmation bias all over again. I've caught you in it before, but this time it's the endgame. I don't think you can shrug it off as much now, because if you're wrong, we're dead.

As for your list, I can't really defend most of the points you make, aside from re-iterate the fact that this is the first time you brought a lot of them up. I can, however, respond to one particular thing:

The way you came into today with a plan of action

It's (probably) the final round in the .Org 10th Anniversary Mafia game that started out with 64 players. I figure it's a good time to get my act together, don't you?

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2009, 05:19

Not this whole game, just recently.

IIRC, you've always been of the opinion that somebody on Banquo's innocent list is guilty. 'm the only one left.

No, I found several of the people on it suspicious. Obviously the if there was a godfather type role he wouldn't HAVE to be on the innocent list.

Naturally, if this isn't the case, then this point's moot. But there's more. You've pointed to me specifically over the past 24-48 hours. This is the first time you've mentioned several of those items on your list, retroactively relating them to my guilt. You're finding those behavioral quirks this game because you think they point to my guilt, but the reality is that you want them to point to my guilt because you've already identified me as guilty ever since the Dutch_guy thing IIRC. Confirmation bias all over again. I've caught you in it before, but this time it's the endgame. I don't think you can shrug it off as much now, because if you're wrong, we're dead.

As for your list, I can't really defend most of the points you make, aside from re-iterate the fact that this is the first time you brought a lot of them up. I can, however, respond to one particular thing:

Why did I first think you were guilty? What tweaked my gut? I posted what first tweaked my gut and led me to accuse you If you claim these are retroactive, then what was the first cause?

BTW, since you say "confirmation bias all over again" surely you remember that the last time you accused me of it was when I was arguing that ares was guilty in "the settlement"...and he WAS guilty. So now how about your "catching me in it before"?

It's (probably) the final round in the .Org 10th Anniversary Mafia game that started out with 64 players. I figure it's a good time to get my act together, don't you?

The WAY you came in with a plan. Yes it's gut and you can't argue with it, so why try?

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 05:26

Why did I first think you were guilty? What tweaked my gut? I posted what first tweaked my gut and led me to accuse you If you claim these are retroactive, then what was the first cause?

May 8th you were pushing for a Rhyfelwyr lynch. Less than 24 hours later you did an about-face and said that I was "almost certainly scum", along with woad to a lesser extent. What happened in those 24 hours? I had my vote on Dutch, switched it to Rhyf because I wanted a tie (between Dutch and Beskar) for a second to think, and then put it back onto Dutch because I decided that Beskar was innocent. That was the only thing of note I did in that time. Everything else, all of these other charges you've laid on me, is the first time I've seen them.

BTW, since you say "confirmation bias all over again" surely you remember that the last time you accused me of it was when I was arguing that ares was guilty in "the settlement"...and he WAS guilty. So now how about your "catching me in it before"?

Ares had writeup evidence against him, which was already two strikes against him. You're basing your case on me solely off behavioral patterns, which means there's far more of a chance of it being wrong.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2009, 05:48

May 8th you were pushing for a Rhyfelwyr lynch. Less than 24 hours later you did an about-face and said that I was "almost certainly scum", along with woad to a lesser extent. What happened in those 24 hours? I had my vote on Dutch, switched it to Rhyf because I wanted a tie (between Dutch and Beskar) for a second to think, and then put it back onto Dutch because I decided that Beskar was innocent. That was the only thing of note I did in that time. Everything else, all of these other charges you've laid on me, is the first time I've seen them.

Kage and FH said something about you being mafia and I stopped and thought about it. You should know that this is how it works, you hosted godfather three. Didn't I go from "lynch curio" to, "hey the writeup indicates two mafia" to "white_eyes and beefy are guilty"?

So, your entire attempt to dismiss my gut suspicion is flawed, and you should know it.

Ares had writeup evidence against him, which was already two strikes against him. You're basing your case on me solely off behavioral patterns, which means there's far more of a chance of it being wrong.

This sidesteps my point. The angle you're taking is that my suspicions of you can be dismissed as confirmation bias and you said that you'd "caught me in it before". Now you make the distinction between writeup evidence and behavioral patterns. I've never seen this argument before so it must be confirmation bias on your part, case closed :strawman3:

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 05:52

Kage and FH said something about you being mafia and I stopped and thought about it. You should know that this is how it works, you hosted godfather three. Didn't I go from "lynch curio" to, "hey the writeup indicates two mafia" to "white_eyes and beefy are guilty"?

So, your entire attempt to dismiss my gut suspicion is flawed, and you should know it.

This sidesteps my point. The angle you're taking is that my suspicions of you can be dismissed as confirmation bias and you said that you'd "caught me in it before". Now you make the distinction between writeup evidence and behavioral patterns. I've never seen this argument before so it must be confirmation bias on your part, case closed :strawman3:

*sigh* at least do a reread. Don't just concentrate on me either, make sure to hit somebody outside of your axis of suspicion. Preferably Rhyf.

Seamus Fermanagh

05-11-2009, 05:54

Sasaki:

You have spent realtively little time considering ANY lynch target save for those who NG said he'd had an "innocent" result upon.

This undercuts your argument against GH.

However, I do see an "excited" tone from GH, who I know prefers mafia roles. To be fair to him though, he did get pretty worked up in his last pro-town role too....

I think we've lost. We can make cases against any remaining player, and none seem that compelling.

How about we hear from other aside from GH...at length...and see who can't discuss with verve.

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 05:59

I think the tone is more attributed to my still being alive in the endgame than anything else. This is a pretty rare occurrance for me. Plus, this being such a special game, I want to get this right.

Csargo

05-11-2009, 06:10

Alright, I'm having trouble with GH's links to everyone's posts. Everytime I open them my browser goes crazy and just keeps opening up new tabs to the same post. I have to restart the computer because it won't stop(has happened three times). Can someone post their posts in text form?

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2009, 06:14

*sigh* at least do a reread. Don't just concentrate on me either, make sure to hit somebody outside of your axis of suspicion. Preferably Rhyf.

Don't have time unfortunately. I don't believe there is a smoking gun in terms of a link to a known mafioso (quintus didn't seem that active) and I'm content with my gut feeling.

Sasaki:

You have spent realtively little time considering ANY lynch target save for those who NG said he'd had an "innocent" result upon.

This undercuts your argument against GH.

BG investigated top suspects, so the people he has results on are those who were seen as suspicious for various reasons. So, not surprising that they still come under fire.

Yoyoma1910

05-11-2009, 06:50

The poetry:

As this is one of my last games (along with Noble Sons 2), I thought I would finish my time here in some sense of style. That's all. It was a personal decision, and I see now it's become an easy way to distract from the real issue. It's why I stopped writing it. Sorry I even tried.

I think woad's case against me is poop.

I play whatever role I'm given to the best of my ability until the game is over or I see it's time to stop.

In Fillet Royal I was an overweight guy name Porky.
In Murder Manor II I was the toilet.

I've played all sorts of roles here, and always I have tried to give each one my all.

From bar wench, to American tourist in Turkey, to Grunhilda, and many more.

Here sir, I am

Amane Fuseishutsu – veteran samurai. And I am trying to avenge my now deceased lord.

And I am going to vote for you, because both Sasaki and the cards say you are guilty. And I believe they are right.

Vote:Woad and Fangs

Andres

05-11-2009, 09:07

12 hours 30 minutes until deadline.

AggonyDuck

05-11-2009, 10:39

The funny thing is that 50% of those alive are guilty, which means that three of you are lying your guts out.

TinCow

05-11-2009, 11:54

The funny thing is that 50% of those alive are guilty, which means that three of you are lying your guts out.

If three of them are guilty, it doesn't even matter if we get this lynch right because we've already lost.

AggonyDuck

05-11-2009, 12:00

Not necessarily as there is atleast two ninjas and one traitor left. So if we lynch one ninja and the traitor and the remaining ninja go for each other there is a chance for a townie win.

KukriKhan

05-11-2009, 13:13

Not necessarily as there is atleast two ninjas and one traitor left. So if we lynch one ninja and the traitor and the remaining ninja go for each other there is a chance for a townie win.

I agree: this is the deciding round. Lynch a ninja, town survives. Lynch a townie, the bad guys will be dancing their victory dance. That they haven't begun their gavot yet, is telling.

The "lay low" players are still laying low. GH finally woke up and acts interested in the game after 2 weeks of boredom. Tough call. I stick with the cards, in order: w&f, Ichigo, GH

Good luck town. :bow:

Kagemusha

05-11-2009, 13:37

Well. Whom ever has been the mafia. My congratulations to them for game well played, because there does not seem to be any clear mistakes made by them. So all i have left is my gut feeling and couple small hints which might not mean nothing, but thats all i got.

First. From the start of the game i have claimed that challenging with light reason should be seen as scummy behaviour. From the players left GH fills that criteria. As if he have had little to fear for his own life and taking down the number of townies would have been something that would be positive to his agenda. So based on that GH is my prime suspect. Also two other minor things have got my attention. First couple rounds GH offered his services to the town, which seems like an effort for him to be seen as pro town force. There is no better place for mafia to hide. Second his sudden analyzis this round, when during the earlier rounds he has been playing very agressive, but short worded game, strikes me as odd. Last. As Quintus.J.C is the one guilty we know. It was GH who he voted before his death. That is something i would probably do to distance myself from my mafia partner.

Now the problem lies in there that even if GH is guilty. We simply cant know is he a traitor or Ninja. This might be a terrible mistake, but the vote has to be casted. Ofcourse it can be changed if something more suspicious surfaces, but based on the thoughts above.

Vote: GH

Gregoshi

05-11-2009, 13:59

Plus, this being such a special game, I want to get this right.
This sentiment would have been more helpful had it come several days ago when there was still a town.

I can be talked into GH and w&f as scum (heck, I could be convinced of just about anyone :laugh4:).

But for the sake of finding support for such a stance, w&f has come to the aid of GH twice when he appeared in trouble.

GH "seems" innocent: post #2011 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2232551&postcount=2011)
In post #1508 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2227234&postcount=1508) w&f dismisses case against GH because it was revealed another samurai didn't bow to Shingen - and ignoring the shaming of his opponent.
As for GH, his prime case, in my eyes, come from within and outside the game:

His shaming of his opponent and not bowing to Shingen during his first duel.
From outside this game, GH is the "godfather" of the mafia games here at the Org, correct? It would make sense he'd have a special role in the 10th Anniversary game, i.e. the godfather role of master ninja. As support, it appears to me that Sasaki has had a notorious reputation in mafia games and he ends up with the secret Shingen role. Why not another key vet player taking the role opposite him?
That is about all I have and except for maybe point #2 against GH, they can all be counter-argued.

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 15:15

Well, I'm not going to change my vote, that much is certain. I'm confident Rhyfelwyr is our man. Whether I get lynched or woad or anybody else, it doesn't matter, because it's still not Rhyf.

woad and I have no connection in this game. We exchanged PMs once - last round - and that was it. He asked me what I was doing, I told him (I wasn't sure/I needed to think). End communications.

I do request that the people actually read my allegations against Rhyfelwyr as if they were made by a dead townie trying to help, and not go into it looking for ways to point to my guilt. :bow:

Gregoshi

05-11-2009, 15:32

The problem, GH, is there is so little solid info on anyone and you can make a case against most all the survivors - just as you can refute most of the cases. Take yours against Rhyfelwyr. Sure he is the only surviving pever, but there were four pevers and only three allowed ninja kills per night. That left the lone surviving pever looking might suspicious, so leaving Rhyfelwyr alive as a false suspect would be advantageous for the ninja.

Any case building going on is simply to give some justification to a decision that is nigh impossible to make. However, for lack of anything else to go on, I'm liking the idea of the godfather of Org mafia games playing the godfather in a very special anniversary game. I've had this feeling for a while that the role selection process wasn't all random. Associating you with the master ninja role didn't click until a short while ago. I could be totally off base, but then, it doesn't matter what I think because I'm dead and can't vote.

I'm anxiously awaiting the end of the game though. :bow:

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 15:38

Thanks for responding, because this means I get to hammer a couple of points in.

First of all, I believe there were two surviving pevers IIRC: Rhyf and YLC. YLC was also quickly disposed of.
Secondly, my case is more than just the pever thing. Rhyf also got very agitated when people pointed out he was the last of the pevers earlier, and also, his activity skyrocketed when he got in trouble. To me, Rhyfelwyr's behavioral quirks outweigh the possibility of him being left alive to be lynched.

And yes, whoever the mafia are, they've played a great game and probably deserve to win, regardless of what actually happens.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2009, 15:41

I do request that the people actually read my allegations against Rhyfelwyr as if they were made by a dead townie trying to help, and not go into it looking for ways to point to my guilt. :bow:

I read your case on rhyf.

1. He survived the pever massacre.

You accuse him of killing all the other pever's to leave himself one of the few alive.

2. He voted LG for trying to draw attention to the fact that there were survivors.

He is upset that people point out that there are survivors?

3. He claims watching the game for a while but apparently hasn't seen anything worth commenting on. Again, I ask: How many of you guys, as mafiosi, have often had trouble creating a reasoning for voting somebody?

He lurked this game and

4. When it looked like he was going to get lynched for a while, his activity jumped and he got very agitated.

When voted he got interested?

3&4 and standard op for many people. Many people lurk (particularly this game) and most's people have a jump in activity after they are accused. You yourself claimed to be not following the game closely in the early rounds, and bumped up your activity towards the endgame.

1&2 don't make sense. There's no reason to assume he killed the pever's to create a wifom "I wouldn't have left myself as one of the few survivor's" scenario. The ninja's could only kill 3 of the pever's, so of course there are survivors. One could just as easily say that you killed the pever's because it creates a wifom as well, what with your vendetta against them.

Rhyf's vote against LG was a one liner. He didn't even reply to LG's response as far as I can see. And it's perfectly legitimate to say that it's silly to vote someone for being a surviving pever. LG was going after YLC anyway, not Rhyf.

He votes LG again next round but it's a one liner vote again. What's his plan with this as mafia supposed to be?

TinCow

05-11-2009, 15:59

The problem, GH, is there is so little solid info on anyone and you can make a case against most all the survivors - just as you can refute most of the cases. Take yours against Rhyfelwyr. Sure he is the only surviving pever, but there were four pevers and only three allowed ninja kills per night. That left the lone surviving pever looking might suspicious, so leaving Rhyfelwyr alive as a false suspect would be advantageous for the ninja.

This isn't correct. YLC was also a pever. After the 'pever massacre' there were two pevers left, Rhy and YLC. It's worth noting that early in the game (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2222759#post2222759) I was getting scum-vibes from Rhy. If you read his responses to my accusations, he was extraordinarily defensive and reactionary.

The only reason he wasn't lynched right then and there was because he posted his role PM after I encouraged him to do so. At the time, this was accepted as proof of innocence, since we didn't know that Andres had given out cover role PMs. Since we now know that cover role PMs were indeed given to those with roles, Rhy's entire defense has evaporated. He remains as someone who has acted scummy the entire game and is a very decent lynch choice.

TinCow

05-11-2009, 16:32

atheotes

05-11-2009, 16:40

Someone correct me if i am wrong...:wall:

we have 6 people alive...

if we have 2 ninjas - lets say we get the right lynch... the other ninja still gets 3 kills (including any that have challenged him)... only 2 people alive with one of them ninja = Game Over already

unless: there is a probability that we get the lynch right and also get 4 people to challenge the 2nd ninja....which case the ninja will kill 3 of them and will have to duel the last townie to determine victory.... :dizzy2:

maybe there is only one ninja left alive or Andres is just playing with us....

another point to note: last night it was only one killer at every scene - as opposed to 2 killers in a couple of the previous nights....

am i thinking straight or do i need to go get some sleep? :stwshame:

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2009, 16:44

Gregoshi

05-11-2009, 16:52

Okay, I stand corrected that Rhyfelwyr wasn't the only surviving pever. I had recalled a list of pevers and remember only seeing four names on the list. my bad. However, YLC wasn't "quickly disposed of". He died in a duel two days after the pever massacre.

Regardless, after 100+ posts in this game and not one useful contribution to it, it is time my spirit moves on to a better place (News of the Weird thread) and stop wasting your time. I'll still follow the game to its end and participate in the post-mortem, but I'm spent on finding ridiculous ideas to save the town and can't see how I can "contribute" anymore to the game...unless, of course, I see an opportunity for some humour. :shifty:

atheotes

05-11-2009, 16:56

On review, it seems Rhy wasn't saved by posting his role PM. That happened after the lynch. Instead, Rhy was saved by atheotes, who broke the tie (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2223097&postcount=1224) and put TosaInu ahead in the votes with about 30 minutes to spare. This is the same atheotes who was killed in a duel when both duelists were 'ordered' to commit seppuku instead of fighting (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2230110&postcount=17). Does no one find it strange that of all the duels we've had, this particular one resulted in no battle and the death of both combatants? Could it be that this is what happens when a ninja ends up in a duel?

Tincow, i am (was) just a samurai (not even veteran :stwshame:).... the way i understood the reason for seppuku was that... Shingen had died the night before and the scroll in his hand was forged...because the scroll was not picked till he came to the courtyard in the morning... not sure if it was Andres giving extra help to the mafia or allowed in game rules as a one-time special power...

if i was ninja Andres forgot to let me know :clown:

Dutch_guy

05-11-2009, 17:14

Does no one find it strange that of all the duels we've had, this particular one resulted in no battle and the death of both combatants? Could it be that this is what happens when a ninja ends up in a duel?

It's more plausible that this was an event connected to the murder of Shingen, as only that particular duel after his death ended in a suicide.

:balloon2:

TinCow

05-11-2009, 17:35

It's more plausible that this was an event connected to the murder of Shingen, as only that particular duel after his death ended in a suicide.

:balloon2:

I disagree. First, the suicides can't simply be a change in the way the game works after Shingen is dead, since there have been normal duels since that time. Second, this wasn't something that was actually ordered by Shingen himself, as neither Sasaki nor CA have said anything about this, and I have not seen any evidence that either of them had any control over the duels. Perhaps if one of them had the ability to order a double suicide on a particular night I would believe it, but there is no evidence at all that that was what occurred.

So what we're left with is Andres choosing on his own to cause a double suicide at that particular moment. If both of the deaths were townies, this seems monumentally unfair against the town on a night when we also lost the person we were all supposed to be protecting. I think it is far more likely that it was a planned event that would happen when scum showed up in a duel.

Yaropolk

05-11-2009, 17:59

Dutch_guy

05-11-2009, 18:03

I disagree. First, the suicides can't simply be a change in the way the game works after Shingen is dead, since there have been normal duels since that time. Second, this wasn't something that was actually ordered by Shingen himself, as neither Sasaki nor CA have said anything about this, and I have not seen any evidence that either of them had any control over the duels. Perhaps if one of them had the ability to order a double suicide on a particular night I would believe it, but there is no evidence at all that that was what occurred.

So what we're left with is Andres choosing on his own to cause a double suicide at that particular moment. If both of the deaths were townies, this seems monumentally unfair against the town on a night when we also lost the person we were all supposed to be protecting. I think it is far more likely that it was a planned event that would happen when scum showed up in a duel.

For all we know there was a 'secret ability' (or call it a scripted scenario) with Shingen's role PM that orders both players in the duels to commit seppuku when their lord dies - a one time event, just like Shingen dying. This explains why it happened only once, and if CA and Sasaki were in fact aware of this then they would have been very careful with sharing the information with the town - as it gives the mafia some extra options to consider.

And you can also reverse that logic, Andres killing a ninja every time he was to challenge is also monumentally unfair - perhaps even more so as the ninja are fewer in numbers.

We'll probably get to know this for sure when the game ends, until then that's my take on the matter.

:balloon2:

TinCow

05-11-2009, 18:10

I think alive people should all challenge one person - this way at least there is a shot for a lynch and a kill. Ninja's won't be able to prevent a duel if everyone challenges one person. I haven't the slightest clue who that person should be though. Probably whoever you feel is 2nd most likely lynch target.

While I am usually loathe to urge this kind of thing, there's nothing to lose by doing this. If there are 3 ninjas left, we've lost no matter what happens. If there are 2 ninjas left, we've already lost unless 1 is lynched here and the other dies during the night. If there is 1 ninja left, we've already lost unless the ninja is either lynched here or dies during the night. In none of these scenarios will refraining from dueling help with a victory. In scenarios 2 and 3, dueling can theoretically help us win.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2009, 18:12

Lynch GH and have someone with a decent score duel woad.

Rhyfelwyr can duel woad...

Crazed Rabbit

05-11-2009, 18:14

GH strikes me as guilty. Dueling a lot, always surviving. But without the same devil may care attitude he had in that other game with dueling (Midgard, I believe), where he was just a townie and dueled to amuse himself.

CR

atheotes

05-11-2009, 18:26

atheotes

05-11-2009, 18:29

While I am usually loathe to urge this kind of thing, there's nothing to lose by doing this. If there are 3 ninjas left, we've lost no matter what happens. If there are 2 ninjas left, we've already lost unless 1 is lynched here and the other dies during the night. If there is 1 ninja left, we've already lost unless the ninja is either lynched here or dies during the night. In none of these scenarios will refraining from dueling help with a victory. In scenarios 2 and 3, dueling can theoretically help us win.

at you scenarios # 2 & 3
how can the ninja die in the night? are you implying that there is a traitor still alive?

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 18:44

An explanation for my activity jump is the fact that I am now on my 2-3 week vacation between school and when I start my tolltaking job. I left school on Tuesday and probably started increasing activity Wednesday - if you go back, I'm sure you'll find a correlation. To prove I'm not lying, here are some varied scattered comments I've made on this forum relating to my activity. I have included links along with them to prove that they have not been retroactively edited.

Sorry guys, been out all day and now I don't have enough energy to do anything aside from dropping. I'll work on this tomorrow.

(April 25th, the 3rd-ish round of this game)

The Turn 2 writeup will be up in a few minutes. However, my internet, especially images, have been spotty all day and as a result I probably won't have the map done by then. I'll let you guys know when I finally do upload it.

April 26th, spotty internet.

As a heads-up, there's only one simulation left to do for this round - however, I have two finals tomorrow, so the next turn report may not be finished until tomorrow afternoon my time. Thank you for your patience. :bow:

April 29th. That's a lot of time spent studying and actually taking the finals.

I'll be sending the feedback PMs in a few hours. In short, exams suck. :laugh4:

April 30th. I still had two or three finals to go at this point.

Battle replay received. I'll go over it sometime in the next couple of days (moving out of the dorms tomorrow, so we'll see what happens).

May 4-5th. The next day, I moved out. I had two finals on the 4th as well as an obligation to pack.

Finished my fifth and last final Monday night. Home now and it feels great. :2thumbsup:

Here I said that I was home (May 5-6th).

As you can see, this is probably the first time in a while where I haven't had too much on my plate, thus corresponding with an uptick in my activity.

I'll be out the next couple of hours. Hopefully when I come back, we'll have made progress.

TinCow

05-11-2009, 18:45

at you scenarios # 2 & 3
how can the ninja die in the night? are you implying that there is a traitor still alive?

Duels occur during the night phase write-up. The point is that in 2 & 3, we lose if we get to another lynch round. I see no possible way for us to ever get another lynch round after this one. This is our last shot right here.

The only way to make it to another lynch round is if fewer than 3 people are murdered tonight. Since that has never happened before and the killers have no reason at all to drop a kill, I think such a scenario is a pipe-dream not even worth considering.

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 18:49

atheotes

05-11-2009, 19:22

Duels occur during the night phase write-up. The point is that in 2 & 3, we lose if we get to another lynch round. I see no possible way for us to ever get another lynch round after this one. This is our last shot right here.

The only way to make it to another lynch round is if fewer than 3 people are murdered tonight. Since that has never happened before and the killers have no reason at all to drop a kill, I think such a scenario is a pipe-dream not even worth considering.

Duels happen in the morning (not morning phase but the after night kills are done) after the night killings are done... so if we have a ninja alive during the night he can kill all three of his challengers... leaving the ninja to duel the one remaining townie... that is we identify who the ninja is...

either way our only chance is to come up with the most suspicious player and lynch him...
the second most suspicious should be challenged by the remaining 4 players... and then we just hope that we got it right.

My money is on GH being ninja master. My reasoning is same as Gregoshi's....I always thought Sasaki had an important role and actually thought he was the ninja master and made a post saying Andres might have given important roles to known players and since Sasaki was protected he could be ninja master....

Csargo

05-11-2009, 19:52

One thing to note before I leave is that out of all of the alive players, Ichigo is the only one who has not voted. Oftentimes in the endgame scenario, mafiosi will not reveal their hand until very late. Also, he is one of two of us that don't have any votes (the other being Kage). If he makes a late move... we're screwed.

I've been asleep. :sleeping:

Vote:GH

Honestly, since I've been having trouble rereading the thread, I'm gonna go back and read through the whole thread and see if I notice something else. Right now GH is the best lynch I can think of.

TinCow

05-11-2009, 19:55

Duels happen in the morning (not morning phase but the after night kills are done) after the night killings are done... so if we have a ninja alive during the night he can kill all three of his challengers... leaving the ninja to duel the one remaining townie... that is we identify who the ninja is...

Good point, so we'd need to have 4+ people all challenge the same person. :yes:

atheotes

05-11-2009, 19:58

Good point, so we'd need to have 4+ people all challenge the same person. :yes:

unfortunately... there seems to be no co-ordination between the people who are alive...i think we are about 2 hrs from deadline and the ghosts are more active than the alive townies...:wall:

Seamus Fermanagh

05-11-2009, 19:59

:skull:

atheotes

05-11-2009, 20:17

Current tally:

GeneralHankerchief: Ichigo, Kagemusha
Rhyfelwyr: GeneralHankerchief
woad&fangs: Rhyfelwyr, Yoyoma1910
Yoyoma1910: woad&fangs

toss up between GH and Woad.... No challenges :wall:

Gregoshi

05-11-2009, 20:18

...i think we are about 2 hrs from deadline and the ghosts are more active than the alive townies...:wall:
You haven't lived until you die. If that ain't a country song, it should be. :guitarist::cowboy:

Yaropolk

05-11-2009, 20:23

You haven't lived until you die. If that ain't a country song, it should be. :guitarist::cowboy:

Too late:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xSGLZd9Vg4

Kagemusha

05-11-2009, 20:33

I would leave the situation as it is. Maybe Ichi who seems to have a high duel score should challenge Rhywelfyr.

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 21:57

Unvote: Rhyf
Vote: woad

Sorry, but I don't want to leave this up to chance.

Challenge: Rhyf

Andres

05-11-2009, 22:01

Voting concluded. Stand by for execution.

Dutch_guy

05-11-2009, 22:03

Talk about a last minute vote change (again, I might add), how suspicious.

Sure hope the town made the right choice tonight...

:balloon2:

woad&fangs

05-11-2009, 22:05

unvote: Yoyoma; vote: Rhyfelwyr

3 way tie. I will challenge anyone the town directs me to. I am a young samurai.

I have defended GH on several occasions. I have no reason for this other than the fact I believe him to be innocent.

edit: It looks like I took too long to think of changing my vote. I hope the town gets another chance tomorrow because you got the wrong guy. :shame:

atheotes

05-11-2009, 22:05

Unvote: Rhyf
Vote: woad

Sorry, but I don't want to leave this up to chance.

Challenge: Rhyf

Hmm... Interesting...changing votes to save yourself 3 minutes before deadline... nobody can do anything about your scummy behavior though.... :no:

GeneralHankerchief

05-11-2009, 22:06

atheotes

05-11-2009, 22:06

unvote: Yoyoma; vote: Rhyfelwyr

3 way tie. I will challenge anyone the town directs me to. I am a young samurai.

I have defended GH on several occasions. I have no reason for this other than the fact I believe him to be innocent.

too late... voting concluded 4 mins before you posted :juggle2:

Sasaki Kojiro

05-11-2009, 22:06

Town split their votes too much :no:

GH was the better lynch. Though it's still possible they were both mafia...

TinCow

05-11-2009, 22:11

Meh, the mafia deseve to win this one anyway IMO. I've been running in circles for days.

atheotes

05-11-2009, 22:13

Town split their votes too much :no:

GH was the better lynch. Though it's still possible they were both mafia...

if they were both mafia... with no challenges out there... one of them was guaranteed to live through the day and win the game...

GH challenged Rhyf...it might look like helpful to the town.... but that could just be an attempt at saving himself in case he got the timing of his vote wrong (Andres was late or he miscalculated the voting conclusion time)

I still believe GH is the ninja master and the only alive ninja!

Andres

05-11-2009, 22:25

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Day 10 - Conclusion

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/seppuku.jpg

Hour of the Monkey

Kago Ryou (woad&fangs) looked at the remaining samurai. He bowed deeply and respectfully for them. They returned the gesture.

One of them walked over to Kago and unsheated his katana, patiently waiting for the condemned to perform the sacred ritual.

Kago looked up. It was a beautiful Winter evening. A clear, darkening blue sky, twinkling stars and a full moon already visible. He then looked around him to enjoy the magnificent landscape. The moutains were indeed very beautiful. This was a good place to die.

He looked at the clean, sharp knife in front of him. This was where it would all end. He bowed forward to pick up the knife. He looked at the reflection of the moonlight in the cold steel. Kago opened the belt of his perfectly white kimono. The cushions surrounding him were white and clean, just like the soft and silent snow carpet around him.

Perfection.

As it should be.

He lifted the knife and pointed it at his belly. Before making the cut, he bowed once more to the other samurai. Without waiting for them to bow back, he stabbed himself in his belly with the knife.

Red blood on white silk.

With a perfect, clean blow, the kaishakunin ended the ritual mercifully.

The remaining samurai stood up in silence and carried Kago's body over to the nearby woodpile.

They were very silent as they were watching the flames eating the remains of the dead warrior.

After one last respectful bow, they went inside the yashiki.

~~~

Tally:

woad&fangs: 3 (Yoyoma1910, GeneralHankerchief, Rhyfelwyr)

GeneralHankerchief: 2 (Ichigo, Kagemusha)
Yoyoma1910: 1 (woad&fangs)

~~~

Challenges:

1. GeneralHankerchief vs. Rhyfelwyr

~~~

Alive (5):
GeneralHankerchief

Ichigo
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Yoyoma1910

Killed (33):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan
Sasaki Kojiro
CountArach

Gobbledygook
Caius

Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Stephen Assen aka Tiberius of the Drake
Chimpyang
ajaxfetish

Fallen in battle (10):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
atheotes
Seamus Fermanagh
Beskar

Lynched (10):

Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill
FactionHeir
Dutch_guy
woad&fangs

WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng
Psychonaut
taka

~~~

It's now night. Night will last for +/- 22 hours 30 minutes; that's until 22.00 (GMT+1).

:bow:

Csargo

05-11-2009, 23:13

GH :shame:

Caius

05-11-2009, 23:53

Why the hell doesn't people challenge? It war our chance.

GeneralHankerchief

05-12-2009, 00:43

Moot point now probably, but you'll find the bad guys in the trio of Rhyfelwyr, Kagemusha, and Yoyoma - in other words, the exact opposite of Kukri's cards.

KukriKhan

05-12-2009, 02:08

So I shudda chose A, 2, 3?

Ironically funny, if so. Well, to me anyway.

I've been wracking my teeny-tiny brain for the most likely outcome now.

1) Had 6; 3 bad guys (2 ninj and a traitor). Lynched a townie (w&f) = 2 townies, 2 ninj, 1 traitr.

1 ninj kills a townie, 1 tries to kill the trtr, while the trtr tries to kill a ninj. Depending on the kill orders, at night end, likely = 1 townie + 1 ninj. Then end, no matter who fights the challenge.

2) Had 6; 3 bad guys (2N + 1T). Lynched a ninj. = 3 townies, 1 ninj, 1 trtr. Ninj and trtr send kill orders for each other, = town win, IF town can determine the winner of the ninj v trtr battle, and lynch.

3) ...Ad infinitum... The possibilities are endless. All depends on what the ninjas and traitors do tonight.

atheotes

05-12-2009, 03:21

Gregoshi

05-12-2009, 03:39

For Sale: beautiful mountain yashiki, previously owned by the famous Takeda Shingen. The breath-taking view is to die for. The abundant bird life is perfect for contemplating life's beauty as you surely will spend the rest of your life in this mountain retreat. A minor ninja infestation should be no problem for a determined samurai willing to take this deal of a lifetime. Don't be left out in the cold - call today! (while there is still someone alive)

KukriKhan

05-12-2009, 03:50

kukri san... the ninja seem to get 3 kills per night...and the traitors seem to have been killed... atleast thats what i believe...

is there is a late twist to the tale? it just seems improbable that Andres wouldnt end it dramatically given the twists we have had and this being a special game and all...

:bow: atheotes san. I would not put it past our host to have created a special twist.

I know not how this will turn out; I am simply confident that, since the game is not declared "over" yet, that many variables have yet to play.

For Sale: beautiful mountain yashiki, previously owned by the famous Takeda Shingen. The breath-taking view is to die for. The abundant bird life is perfect for contemplating life's beauty as you surely will spend the rest of your life in this mountain retreat. A minor ninja infestation should be no problem for a determined samurai willing to take this deal of a lifetime. Don't be left out in the cold - call today!

This is a ninja loan, yes? No Income, No Job or Assets.

Beautifully done.

Gregoshi

05-12-2009, 04:32

This is a ninja loan, yes? No Income, No Job or Assets.
Shuriken do that, but I can slash your interest rate if you have a duel income.

Yoyoma1910

05-12-2009, 06:10

Moot point now probably, but you'll find the bad guys in the trio of Rhyfelwyr, Kagemusha, and Yoyoma - in other words, the exact opposite of Kukri's cards.

Well I know for a fact your wrong at least 1/3 of the way.

Husar

05-12-2009, 09:09

So it's Kagemusha then? Guess we'll find out later today.

Kagemusha

05-12-2009, 13:10

Not me either. I still believe it is GH.

Husar

05-12-2009, 14:11

Well, since everybody still claims to be innocent that leaves two options, either they want to hide until the very end or they/he can still get into trouble.

atheotes

05-12-2009, 15:10

Well, since everybody still claims to be innocent that leaves two options, either they want to hide until the very end or they/he can still get into trouble.

I guess nobody is sure if the game is over :laugh4:

TinCow

05-12-2009, 15:22

More likely they're just torturing us.

Andres

05-12-2009, 15:27

Hmmm...

Still a couple of hours before the deadline...

:mellow:

ULC

05-12-2009, 15:29

More likely they're just torturing us.

Egads, sorry I wasn't more help this game - and a heartfelt apology if I was wrong about you TC.

TinCow

05-12-2009, 15:58

Egads, sorry I wasn't more help this game - and a heartfelt apology if I was wrong about you TC.

There's really no need to apologize. At that point in the game, I would have lynched anyone who won a duel victory despite claiming a lower duel score than their opponent. It was the right thing to do, even if it was wrong. :laugh4:

KukriKhan

05-12-2009, 16:22

Hmmm...

Still a couple of hours before the deadline...

:mellow:

Meaning (maybe) some PM's haven't arrived yet. Will the lurking bad guys go even deeper into lurk-mode, to stay alive... hoping town will lynch the other bad guy first, giving the remaining bad guy free reign the following night?

atheotes

05-12-2009, 16:39

Hmmm...

Still a couple of hours before the deadline...

:mellow:

for the game to end? :eyebrows:

Beskar

05-12-2009, 18:53

I am surprised the traitors and Ninja haven't killed eachother as far as I know, they operate like two separate mafia families.

Andres

05-12-2009, 20:09

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Night 11 - Conclusion - I

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/sleepingsamurai.jpg

Hour of the Boar

Date Bontenmaru (Rhyfelwyr) was sleeping in his room, breathing heavily.

Since he would have to stand guard the next hour, he had decided to go to bed early. He was smiling in his sleep, probably dreaming sweet dreams. Before he went to bed, he had realized that he was pretty confident that within a couple of months, he would see the sunny valleys again, during that short, lovely period between Winter and campaigning against the Ueshugi.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/moonmountain.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Amane Fuseishutsu (Yoyoma1910) was lucky that night. He had drawn the straw for the last guard duty, which meant he would have a reasonable night of sleep.

After undressing himself, he spent the evening writing his death poem. He reread it once more:

An old silent pond...
A frog jumps into the pond,
splash! Silence again.

He wrapped the scroll, kissed it, and placed it next to his bed. He was not fearful of death, but quite ready for it.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/restingsamurai.jpg

Hour of the Tiger

The hour of the Rabbit was almost there. Date was a bit late. The samurai turned himself at his cot. He looked at the face of the man who was sharing this room with him. Both were sitting against a wall, hands on their sword handles.

A cock crowed that the hour of the rabbit was nigh. The samurai shrugged. It seemed like they would survive this night. He hadn’t heard a thing. Could it be that this nightmare was finally over?

~~~

Alive (5):
GeneralHankerchief

Ichigo
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Yoyoma1910

Killed (33):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan
Sasaki Kojiro
CountArach

Gobbledygook
Caius

Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Stephen Assen aka Tiberius of the Drake
Chimpyang
ajaxfetish

Fallen in battle (10):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
atheotes
Seamus Fermanagh
Beskar

Lynched (10):

Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill
FactionHeir
Dutch_guy
woad&fangs

WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng
Psychonaut
taka

TinCow

05-12-2009, 20:14

Check inactivity. Looks like we might have a single mafioso left who forgot to send in orders.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-12-2009, 20:18

This was "Conclusion-I".

atheotes

05-12-2009, 20:19

or is Andres just mean :whip:

TinCow

05-12-2009, 20:20

Ah, right. Shame on me for getting my hopes up.

atheotes

05-12-2009, 20:29

Ichigo is Michishige Michiyo and GH is Omura Sumitada
Dont know kage's name though....so he could be Date...

Beskar

05-12-2009, 20:31

If so, Kagemusha is the traitor and Ichigo and Omura could be the two ninja.

I will laugh if I am right about Ichigo, would be a "told you so" moment.

Gregoshi

05-12-2009, 20:32

"Conclusion-I"..."-I" being the odd part. Every night and day (I think) has been a "Conclusion".

Csargo

05-12-2009, 20:34

If so, Kagemusha is the traitor and Ichigo and Omura could be the two ninja.

I will laugh if I am right about Ichigo, would be a "told you so" moment.

You're wrong about me.

Not sure what's going on...:dizzy2:

Gregoshi

05-12-2009, 20:34

Dont know kage's name though....so he could be Date...

No:

Hour of the Boar

Date Bontenmaru (Rhyfelwyr) was sleeping in his room, breathing heavily.

That doesn't mean there can't be another Date, but sticking with the known facts...

Andres

05-12-2009, 20:35

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Night 11 - Conclusion - II

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/throwingknives.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Date (Rhyfelwyr) was sweating. Something had disturbed his sweet dreams. He lit his oil lamp and looked around his room. He didn’t notice anything and he put out the light.

Something was on his mind and kept him up though. After a few restless moments, that seemed like ages, he finally managed to fall asleep again.

A pair of eyes had been watching Date’s actions for a while from the straw ceiling of the yashiki. When Date stopped rolling around, the figure lowered himself down from the rafters, holding a dagger in his teeth. The assassin silently crept up to the sleeping man and with a single strike, drove the dagger through his eye.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/blackkatana2.jpg

Hour of the Ox

A samurai walked through the yashiki counting doors. He stopped at the 34th door and slipped in unnoticed. On his hip, the killer carried a polished ebony scabbard.

He silently drew the katana – it was etched with scenes from mythology - and only the sharp edge glistened in the light of the oil lamp.

The killer struck the sleeping samurai in the throat with the scabbard. Amane (Yoyoma1910) awoke and tried to scream in vain. The swing of the killer’s other hand ended his silent scream.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/shuriken.jpg

Hour of the Tiger

The killer hurried into the next room and found a surprise.

Two samurai were sitting in the same room and were sleeping, sitting up against a wall with hands on their sword handles. The killer hesitated.

One of them appeared to be awake and looked up as he saw the assassin coming near.
At that moment a cock crowed that the hour of the rabbit was nigh.

The ninja threw a neatly folded rice paper box to the ground, and the entire room filled with acrid black smoke. He pulled out a poisoned shuriken from his sleeve and threw it through the smoke aiming where the samurai were sleeping a moment ago. The ninja drew his sword and rushed into the smoke.

~~~

Alive (3):
GeneralHankerchief

Ichigo
Kagemusha

Killed (35):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan
Sasaki Kojiro
CountArach

Gobbledygook
Caius

Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Stephen Assen aka Tiberius of the Drake
Chimpyang
ajaxfetish
Rhyfelwyr
Yoyoma1910

Fallen in battle (10):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
atheotes
Seamus Fermanagh
Beskar

Lynched (10):

Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill
FactionHeir
Dutch_guy
woad&fangs

WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng
Psychonaut
taka[/quote]

ULC

05-12-2009, 20:39

Oh Andres, you toy with us so :laugh4:

atheotes

05-12-2009, 20:40

No:

:embarassed: thats why i should READ :stwshame:

GeneralHankerchief

05-12-2009, 20:49

Great, so there's me and the two people that voted for me left. Surprise surprise. :laugh4:

-edit- nothing about how long the phase will last though. This isn't over yet.

Yaropolk

05-12-2009, 20:51

Great, so there's me and the two people that voted for me left. Surprise surprise. :laugh4:

That's why you get poisoned shuriken to even the odds!

shlin28

05-12-2009, 20:57

We lost right? 2 killers and only 3 alive :sweatdrop:

Andres

05-12-2009, 20:59

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Night 11 - Conclusion - III

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/blackkatana2.jpg

Hour of the Tiger

Omura Sumitada (GeneralHankerchief) woke up coughing. His eyes were watering, he wanted to vomit, and everything around him was spinning.

The man who was supposed to watch his side was gone. He drew his katana and held it above his head to deflect any incoming swings. Something warm dripped from his hand onto his forehead and rolled down his cheek.

Omura licked his lips and tasted blood…. his own blood!

He dropped the katana and with a groan forced himself to his knees. Now completely blind, he pulled out his tanto and drove it into his own belly, unwilling to die at the hand of a ninja.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/SwordsintheMoon.png

Hour of the Tiger

Michishige Michiyo (Ichigo) squeezed himself against a wall and held a wash towel to his face.

He couldn’t see anything but at least he could breathe. He tied the towel behind his head and proceeded blindfolded along the wall, katana drawn. He thought to himself that whoever said that strength lies in wisdom and not in battle skill never had fight for his life with a skilled adversary blindfolded.

He focused and felt a movement to his right. Michishige ducked, and felt the swing of a katana barely miss his chonmage. Michishige pulled off his blindfold. He could see for a moment before the smoke got into his eyes again and he threw himself at his opponent.

His tackle connected and both men crashed through the straw wall. In the billowing smoke one could hear the thuds of fists crashing into flesh, and the clanks of armor.

Then all was quiet. The victor roughly pulled the severely injured man in front of him out of the yashiki. A katana covered in black symbols was sticking out of the man’s belly. The killer rubbed his eyes to clear the smoke. He looked down and saw the face of his last opponent. The man stared up in disbelief.

Calmly, the assassin drew a dagger. With a strong blow, he sticked it into the belly of his opponent, next to the blade.

“That’s one for Hisao Mayurama”

He pauzed, drew a second knife and then stuck it into the chest of the dieing man.

“That’s one for his brother, Nakadai Mayurama.”

The assassin wiped a tear off his face. He looked down at the almost dead samurai. With a final blow, he stuck a third dagger into the samurai’s throat.

“That’s one for Kato Danzo.”

The ninja then drew his black katana out of the body of the dead samurai and with one swing beheaded it.

"And that's one for me and the clan!"

~~~

Alive (1):
Ichigo

Kagemusha

Killed (37):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan
Sasaki Kojiro
CountArach

Gobbledygook
Caius

Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Stephen Assen aka Tiberius of the Drake
Chimpyang
ajaxfetish
Rhyfelwyr
Yoyoma1910
GeneralHankerchief

Fallen in battle (10):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
atheotes
Seamus Fermanagh
Beskar

Lynched (10):

Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill
FactionHeir
Dutch_guy
woad&fangs

WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng
Psychonaut
taka

Gregoshi

05-12-2009, 20:59

Part III to come very soon? :gah2:

www.whattheheckisgoingon.com (http://www.whattheheckisgoingon.com) :404:

shlin28

05-12-2009, 21:00

Alive (1):
Ichigo

Kagemusha

LOL :yes:

Edit: GG Kage!

GeneralHankerchief

05-12-2009, 21:00

GG Kage. :bow: Who else would end his killing spree with a katana?

Gregoshi

05-12-2009, 21:04

Part III come quicker than I thought. :laugh4:

GG Kagemusha - oh the irony!!

TinCow

05-12-2009, 21:05

GG Kage, but also congrats to the town, I didn't think we had managed to get it down to 1 mafioso. It will be interesting to see what we got right.

Csargo

05-12-2009, 21:06

Great job Kage. Fooled me the entire time. :bow:

GeneralHankerchief

05-12-2009, 21:06

GG Kagemusha - oh the irony!!

Turns out you were half-right with Andres giving a role to a "Godfather" of the Mafia games: Kage was the surviving mafioso in the very first .Org game. He made his final kills with a katana. :yes:

Gregoshi

05-12-2009, 21:13

Turns out you were half-right with Andres giving a role to a "Godfather" of the Mafia games:
I'm not so sure. One of the daggers was for "Kato Danzo" who was identified as the master ninja, so we must have gotten him earlier.

Edit: Oh, you said "...giving a role...". Right. This game has me reading things into posts that aren't really there. :laugh4:

Andres

05-12-2009, 21:39

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

The End

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/Kofu.jpg

The yashiki - Spring

The ninja looked around the yashiki. Several weeks had passed since the last events. He looked at the bag. The freezing cold had preserved the head perfectly, it was still recognizable.

Flames were rising towards the sky. He threw the torch into the burning building. Soon, there would be only ashes left of the Tigers’ famous Winter residence. The man smiled, legend would have it that the Dragon had descended from the skies to incinerate his opponent.

The assassin picked up the bag and mounted his horse. Shingen’s horse. The only survivor of this drama, apart from the lone assassin.

After one last look at the yashiki, he turned his horse and started riding into the rising sun.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/UesugiKenshin.jpg

Japan – Spring 1558 – near Iiyama Castle – Hour of the Dragon

Kiyonaga put down the cup of saké and looked at the masked unpertubed man sitting silently in front of him.

He was curious to see the legendary Kato Danzo’s face, or even age, but was pretty certain he wouldn’t get his hand back if he tried to lift the man’s mask.

“Konichuwa Danzo-san, do you have what I asked for?”

The silent man in front of him threw a burlap sack at Kiyonaga’s feet. Kiyonaga looked inside the bag and his eyes lit up.

“A miracle! ‘Flying Kato’ they call you. Now I see why that is. Excellent! Most excellent! As we agreed, your payment has already been delivered to the Kato clan.”

Without a word the man addressed to as Kato Danzo turned around and walked out of the tent.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/Uesugi_kenshin.jpg

Japan – 1558 – end of the Summer season, begin of Fall.

The Dragon was sitting down. He looked to his right and watched the burning woodpiles. On them, the bodies of the Takeda, men, women and children.

He turned his head again and looked the last remaining Takeda right into the eyes.

Takeday Katsuyori was still a boy. But he was samurai. The hatred in the boys’ eyes confirmed that the Dragon was making the right decision. The Takeda had to be destroyed for eternity.

The Dragon looked up, at the man standing behind Takeda Katsuyori. For months now, he had been wondering if Kiyonaga would have had a hand in the dead of his greatest foe. He would never know for sure.

The young boy picked up the clean knife and opened his kimono. The Dragon nodded respectfully. This one was brave.

Takeda Katsuyori would make his father proud, he would perform the ancient ritual perfectly.

The knife had hardly pierced through skin and flesh, when the blade of Kiyonaga, Katsuyori’s kaishakunin struck mercifully.

The Dragon stood up, it was over.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/katanavuur.jpg

Japan 1558 – one week earlier.

Months ago, Seizaburo Makabe (Ichigo) bravely fought and killed the last of Shingen’s trusted samurai, Hasegawa Kinji (Kagemusha). Well, not just killed, he had butchered him.

Seizaburo's sensei always taught him that wisdom was greater than strength. It was a shame that the wise old ninja fell on his last mission. But he had succeeded and his dead had been avenged.

On that fateful day, in the yashiki not only did Hasegawa die in that smoky room, Seizaburo died as well. A new Kato Danzo was born.

The masked man now known and feared as Kato Danzo walked out of the camp and headed west.

The informants of his clan had brought him a message.

Oda Nobunaga was willing to pay to see Uesugi Kenshin, the Dragon, fall…

The ninja grinned.

Once again, "Flying Kato" would change the course of history.

~~~

(close) NINJA VICTORY !

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NINJA TEAM!

~:cheers:

Alive (1):
Ichigo - ninja

Killed (37):
Khazaar - samurai
spL1tp3r50nal1ty - samurai
Lord Winter - geisha
The Spartan - samurai
Iskander III - veteran samurai
Shinseikhaan - veteran samurai
Olavi - traitor
Thermal Mercury - samurai
Chaotix27 - samurai
pevergreen - veteran samurai
Gregoshi - geisha
Reenk Roink - samurai
LittleGrizzly - samurai
Louis VI the Fat - samurai
Crazed Rabbit - veteran samurai
A Very Super Market - samurai
Glenn - veteran samurai
Husar - bodyguard
Death is yonder - samurai
Haudegen - samurai
Captain Blackadder - traitor recruit
glyphz - bodyguard
Banquo's Ghost - shinobi
Kukrikhan - veteran samurai - killed by shinobi poison
Sasaki Kojiro - Takeda Shingen
CountArach - Takeda Nobushige (shadow warrior)

Gobbledygook - bodyguard
Caius - veteran samurai

Wishazu aka Warluster - samurai
White_Eyes:D - samurai
Stephen Assen aka Tiberius of the Drake - samurai
Chimpyang - samurai
ajaxfetish - veteran samurai
Rhyfelwyr - veteran samurai
Yoyoma1910 - veteran samurai
GeneralHankerchief - veteran samurai
Kagemusha aka Ibn-Khaldun - samurai

Fallen in battle (10):
Northnovas - samurai
Ignoramus - samurai
El Diablo - samurai
YLC - veteran samurai
Beefy187 - samurai
AggonyDuck - samurai
Yaropolk - ninja master - forced to suicide
atheotes - samurai - forced to suicide
Seamus Fermanagh - samurai
Beskar - samurai

Lynched (10):

Askthepizzaguy - samurai
Sigurd - samurai
shlin28 - traitor
TosaInu - samurai
TinCow - samurai
Quintus.JC - ninja
Peasant Phill - veteran samurai
FactionHeir - samurai
Dutch_guy - ninja
woad&fangs - samurai

WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II - samurai
Jolt - samurai
Beaver - samurai
Tristan de Castelreng - veteran samurai
Psychonaut - veteran samurai
taka - samurai

That's it. Game is finally over. Host diary and additional info about roles and mechanics will be posted soon-ish.

Thank you all for playing. I hope you had fun!

:bow:

shlin28

05-12-2009, 21:43

GG everyone!

Us traitors got wiped out in the first couple days... thanks to my foolishness with the battle rating :wall:

Sasaki Kojiro

05-12-2009, 21:44

Amazing game andres, one of the best.

Apologies to GH, you just seem so guilty :sweatdrop:

I'm delighted to see that I took out the ninja master though. ~:cheers:

Congrats to Ichigo and the ninja!

TinCow

05-12-2009, 21:51

Ichigo! Never once suspected him...

Congratulations, very well played.

GeneralHankerchief

05-12-2009, 21:54

Hahaha, wow. Very well done to Strawberry and the rest of the ninjas, and a big thank you to Andres for hosting. :cheerleader: I think this game captured the spirit of the .Org at its best very well.

My play was beyond terrible this game, but at least I helped get Dutch out of the picture near the end. And Sasaki, no hard feelings, but I hope you remember your confidence in my guilt this game the next time you go after me. :wink:

Great game, everybody! :medievalcheers:

KukriKhan

05-12-2009, 21:59

GG, all. I didn't suspect Ichigo 'til near the end, when the cards said he was. I realized I hadn't looked very closely at him all game.

Killed by shinobi poison. Oh, the humanity. :laugh4:

Yaropolk

05-12-2009, 22:02

Amazing game andres, one of the best.

Apologies to GH, you just seem so guilty :sweatdrop:

I'm delighted to see that I took out the ninja master though. ~:cheers:

Congrats to Ichigo and the ninja!

:bow: to Sassaki - you got me good =) The only round I did the killing was the round that Shingen died, so I suppose it was poetic justice.

For curious:

Ninja chat room:

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/VKCaKtN5DWp

Andres - can you post all the main role PM's?

For murder theories:

Hour of the Ox really was traitor kills throughout most of the game (except the last time, that was us)
Brutal SK was just me studying up on my medieval japanese weaponry!

Rhyfelwyr

05-12-2009, 22:04

Why was myself and only one other mentioned at random?

If this was due to inactivity, does that probably mean there's only one mafia left, since they surely all wouldn't forget orders?

EDIT: Sorry didn't check for another page before posting!

woad&fangs

05-12-2009, 22:05

Thank you for hosting such an amazing game, Andres:bow:

Great Game to Ichigo and the rest of the ninjas.:bow:

At least I partially redeemed myself by getting Dutch_Guy right :juggle:

atheotes

05-12-2009, 22:06

Great job Andres :applause:

well played Ichigo :2thumbsup:

it was close... we could have won if we got the last lynch correct... anyways well done ~:cheers:

Anyone know why me and the ninja master (yaropolk) were forced to commit suicide?
Shingen's last act?

Gregoshi

05-12-2009, 22:06

Well that was a lot of fun - frustrating at times, but fun. I think part of the frustration was having no sense of making progress as a townie. Being dead with a role didn't help either. :embarassedg:

I was wrong right up to the end - GG Kagemusha Ichigo! :laugh4:

How could I forget! Thank you Andres for hosting this special game. :bow:

Yaropolk

05-12-2009, 22:07

Also Sassaki - it was my belief that you were actually picking the duels rather than random.org - is tha true?

shlin28

05-12-2009, 22:07

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/94YjNhH6vcCa

Traitor Quicktopic.

My team were let down by me a lot... first I forgot to send in a kill, and then I send in the "wrong" battle rating to CA. I thought ratings were more spread out, and so it would be better for me to send the real rating, in case I got challenged or something. Turns out I got it wrong... :wall:

We did manage to kill two geishas and one bodyguard, as well as discovering the true Shingen though :2thumbsup:

Role PM
shlin28

Nakayima Yumi – Nobutora loyalist.

Konichi wa, Nakayima-san,

You have always remained loyal to Takeda Nobutora-sama, the father of the usurper, Takeda Shingen.

Finally, you received the order to take care of the so called Tiger of Kai once and for all!

You are in Takeda service before Shingen and his brother, Nobushige were even born. The man leading the executions is not Shingen, but his brother, Takeda Nobushige (CountArach). The real Shingen is probably among the other samurai, disguised.

You have to make sure Shingen dies and his brother survives! Do not reveal do Nobushige; he will have you executed if he finds out you are here to kill Shingen!

Not a difficult task, but you have your beloved brother, Watanabe Yumi (Olavi) on your side.

In case you need to, you can reveal in public with this cover role pm:

shlin28

Ichimaru Yoshiko – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Ichimaru-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Battle rating: 6

Abilities:
- Each night one of you can investigate two players and the other can kill one other player;
- Starting on N3, you can chose to either kill two players instead or investigate two and kill one; once you reach N3, your gained experience in subterfuge will reflect itself on a lower chance of detection by investigation at night. The longer you survive, the better you get at hiding your identity.

Victory conditions:
Major Victory : Takeda Nobushige must survive; outlast all other players;
Minor Victory: outlast all other players.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Yaropolk

05-12-2009, 22:09

We did manage to kill two geishas and one bodyguard, as well as discovering the true Shingen

Don't get me started on attacking the true shingen out of the blue! We had him pegged on night 3, and were looking for bodyguards, all of a sudden traitor jumps him and reveals everything :oops:

Wishazu

05-12-2009, 22:09

Awesome game. My first Mafia game too. Thanks for letting me take part Andres and sorry GH, when I did feel I was getting the hang of this I was convinced you were scum and posted so many times :wall: I guess I still have a lot to learn :)

Where can I sign up to the next one?

Sasaki Kojiro

05-12-2009, 22:12

Also Sassaki - it was my belief that you were actually picking the duels rather than random.org - is tha true?

Close--I could remove a duel from the list (I removed all my own--I was never really trying to kill you duckie :sweatdrop: )

Sasaki Kojiro

Takeda Shingen – The Tiger of Kai

Konishiwa, Shingen-sama,

You are the REAL Takeda Shingen. The man leading the samurai during the day is your brother, Takeda Nobushige (CountArach), who serves as your Kagemusha.

To the public, your identity will remain hidden and you will pretend like you are one of the veteran samurai.

Your disguise if very convincing:

Sasaki Kojiro

Hamano Michiyo – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Hamano-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

You are allowed to contact your brother and his bodyguards through pm.

The bodyguards are:

- Husar (Miyamoto Musashi);
- Gobbledygook (Yamamoto Kansuke)
- glyphz (Kago Junichiro)

They can protect either you or your brother or the both of you against investigations and attacks. However, protection will only work 100 % if all remaining bodyguards protect one brother. If they split forces, the protection becomes weaker. You need to pm me the orders for your bodyguards.

Battle rating : 5

Abilities:
- you can influence the duels. At the end of the day, there will be a list of 4 possible duels. At night, you can send me a pm in which you tell me which one of the duels you wish not to take place (you can only chose 1 to be removed from the list);
- at night, you have to pm me which bodyguard will protect which Takeda brother;
- you have one unique ability, can only be used once: instead of having me remove one of the duels of the list, you can chose which duel will take place – in addition, you can then chose to either have both players commit seppuku (suicide) or to just let the duel take place;

Victory conditions:
Major victory : outlast the ninja and the traitors – you survive;
Minor victory: outlast the ninja and the traitors

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Yaropolk

05-12-2009, 22:14

I had an idea to take you out on night 3 - I challenge you (battle rating 9) and we kill the other duelers. Would be interesting to see what happens in this case.

shlin28

05-12-2009, 22:14

Don't get me started on attacking the true shingen out of the blue! We had him pegged on night 3, and were looking for bodyguards, all of a sudden traitor jumps him and reveals everything :oops:

Heh, we investigated Sasaki on N1, but we got no results from him, so we know he has a role of some sort.

So technically we discovered the Shingen before you :smash:

Beskar

05-12-2009, 22:15

I told you it was Ichigo, but no, you never listened to me. We could have won the game! :P

Also, thank you for making it so I am not the one who duelled, Sasaki.

Role PM, since the game is over.

TiberiusBeskar

Chiba Tadayoshi – samurai

Konichi wa, Chida-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

Last year was your first year campaigning with the Takeda army and you are proud on your first set of scars.

You are still young, but you know the way of the warrior. You live to serve your Lord and you would be honored to die in his service.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 3

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

As for being suspicious, being so allows me to stay alive, as it makes me look like a viable lynch target. I said this near the beginning of the game (whoever wants to search for it, can.)

I was trying to tread the line between being a potential lynch target to stay alive from the Mafia nights, but not enough to actually get lynched.

Edit: Heheh.. reading the Mafia chat.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-12-2009, 22:23

I had an idea to take you out on night 3 - I challenge you (battle rating 9) and we kill the other duelers. Would be interesting to see what happens in this case.

Would have been no duel at all I suspect, since I removed my duel from the list...

We never even noticed that Ichigo had won two duels... :sweatdrop:

Splitpersonality

05-12-2009, 22:27

I really wish I had been alive for this all, but in the end good game Ichigo!

Might I ask who killed me by the way? :clown:

Gregoshi

05-12-2009, 22:34

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/94YjNhH6vcCa

Traitor Quicktopic.
Hey! What do you mean I was acting weird?! :laugh4:

Yaropolk

05-12-2009, 22:35

I really wish I had been alive for this all, but in the end good game Ichigo!

Might I ask who killed me by the way? :clown:

Ninjas did - go look at the quicktopic

shlin28

05-12-2009, 22:37

Hey! What do you mean I was acting weird?! :laugh4:

Welll you were commanding the Pineapple Samurai and Lord Beefy...:beam:

Andres

05-12-2009, 22:37

I. Role pm's

a) "Takeda team"

CountArach

Takeda Nobushige - Kagemusha

Konichi wa, Nobushige-san,

First of all: you are NOT Takeda Shingen. You are his Kagemusha, his shadow warrior. A man who resembles his Lord and takes his place when he is in danger.

To the public, you will take the role of Takeda Shingen. The real Takeda Shingen however is:

- Sasaki Kojiro

You are allowed to contact your brother and his bodyguards through pm.

The bodyguards are:

- Husar (Miyamoto Musashi);
- Gobbledygook (Yamamoto Kansuke)
- glyphz (Kago Junichiro)

They can protect either you or your brother or the both of you against investigations and attacks. However, protection will only work 100 % if all remaining bodyguards protect one brother. If they split forces, the protection becomes weaker.

Battle rating : 5

Abilities: you have no special night abilities.

Victory conditions:
Major victory : outlast the ninja and the traitors – Takeda Shingen survives;
Minor victory: outlast the ninja and the traitors

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Sasaki Kojiro

Takeda Shingen – The Tiger of Kai

Konishiwa, Shingen-sama,

You are the REAL Takeda Shingen. The man leading the samurai during the day is your brother, Takeda Nobushige (CountArach), who serves as your Kagemusha.

To the public, your identity will remain hidden and you will pretend like you are one of the veteran samurai.

Your disguise if very convincing:

Sasaki Kojiro

Hamano Michiyo – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Hamano-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

You are allowed to contact your brother and his bodyguards through pm.

The bodyguards are:

- Husar (Miyamoto Musashi);
- Gobbledygook (Yamamoto Kansuke)
- glyphz (Kago Junichiro)

They can protect either you or your brother or the both of you against investigations and attacks. However, protection will only work 100 % if all remaining bodyguards protect one brother. If they split forces, the protection becomes weaker. You need to pm me the orders for your bodyguards.

Battle rating : 5

Abilities:
- you can influence the duels. At the end of the day, there will be a list of 4 possible duels. At night, you can send me a pm in which you tell me which one of the duels you wish not to take place (you can only chose 1 to be removed from the list);
- at night, you have to pm me which bodyguard will protect which Takeda brother;
- you have one unique ability, can only be used once: instead of having me remove one of the duels of the list, you can chose which duel will take place – in addition, you can then chose to either have both players commit seppuku (suicide) or to just let the duel take place;

Victory conditions:
Major victory : outlast the ninja and the traitors – you survive;
Minor victory: outlast the ninja and the traitors

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Husar

Miyamoto Musashi – Sword Master

Konichi wa, Miyamoto-san,

You are a legendary sword master, Takeda Shingens’ champion on the battlefield and his trusted and loyal bodyguard on all other occasions.

You have followed your master to his Winter residence and you will protect him and his brother, Takeda Nobushige, with your life.

You are one of the few who knows that the man leading the executions is not really Takeda Shingen, but his brother, Takeda Nobushige (CountArach).

The real Takeda Shingen (Sasaki Kojiro) is hiding among the other samurai, disguised.

The other two bodyguards are:

- Gobbledygook (Yamamoto Kansuke)
- glyphz (Kago Junichiro)

During the night, your master will pm me if you are going to protect him or his brother.

Battle rating : 9

Abilities:
- at night, you protect one of the Takeda brothers, as ordered by your master.
Victory conditions:
Major victory : outlast the ninja and the traitors – Takeda Shingen survives;
Minor victory: outlast the ninja and the traitors

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Gobbledygook

Yamamoto Kansuke – Sword Master

Konichi wa, Yamamoto-san,

You are a sword master, one of Takeda Shingens’ trusted and loyal bodyguards.

You have followed your master to his Winter residence and you will protect him and his brother, Takeda Nobushige, with your life.

You are one of the few who knows that the man leading the executions is not really Takeda Shingen, but his brother, Takeda Nobushige (CountArach).

The real Takeda Shingen (Sasaki Kojiro) is hiding among the other samurai, disguised.

The other two bodyguards are:

- Husar (Miyamoto Musashi)
- glyphz (Kago Junichiro)

During the night, your master will pm me if you are going to protect him or his brother.

Battle rating : 7

Abilities:
- at night, you protect one of the Takeda brothers, as ordered by your master.

Victory conditions:
Major victory : outlast the ninja and the traitors – Takeda Shingen survives;
Minor victory: outlast the ninja and the traitors

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

glyphz

Kago Junichiro– Sword Master

Konichi wa, Kago-san,

You are a sword master, one of Takeda Shingens’ trusted and loyal bodyguards.

You have followed your master to his Winter residence and you will protect him and his brother, Takeda Nobushige, with your life.

You are one of the few who knows that the man leading the executions is not really Takeda Shingen, but his brother, Takeda Nobushige (CountArach).

The real Takeda Shingen (Sasaki Kojiro) is hiding among the other samurai, disguised.

The other two bodyguards are:

- Husar (Miyamoto Musashi)
- Gobbledygook (Yamamoto Kansuke)

During the night, your master will pm me if you are going to protect him or his brother.

Battle rating : 7

Abilities:
- at night, you protect one of the Takeda brothers, as ordered by your master.

Victory conditions:
Major victory : outlast the ninja and the traitors – Takeda Shingen survives;
Minor victory: outlast the ninja and the traitors

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

b) Shinobi

Banquo’s Ghost

Matsuura Asuma – Shinobi

Konichi wa, Matsuura-san,

You are the Shinobi, Takeda Shingens’ spymaster. Your master ordered you to stay home, because he would not be in any danger, surrounded by his most loyal servants.

Like every year, you disobeyed his orders and you went with him, disguised as a regular samurai.

You know that he uses his brother, Nobushige, as his Kagemusha (shadow warrior), who pretends to be Shingen, while the real Lord hides between his men.

You also see through the disguise of your Lord.

- Takeda Nobushige: CountArach;
- Takeda Shingen: Sasaki Kojiro;

You also know his bodyguards:

- Husar (Miyamoto Musashi);
- Gobbledygook (Yamamoto Kansuke)
- glyphz (Kago Junichiro)

However, since you are here against a direct order from your Lord, you cannot reveal your identity to them (i.e.: YOU ARE NOT, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE, ALLOWED TO REVEAL IN PRIVATE OR TO EVEN CONTACT THEM ALLUDING TO YOUR ROLE OR THEIRS - feel free to reveal in public at your own risk).

During the day, you are obviously disguised as a samurai. You can use this cover pm to “reveal” if necessary:

Banquo’s Ghost

Kojima Yumi – samurai

Konichi wa, Kojima-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

Last year was your first year campaigning with the Takeda army and you are proud on your first set of scars.
You are still young, but you know the way of the warrior. You live to serve your Lord and you would be honored to die in his service.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 3

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Battle rating : 4

Abilities:
- at night, you can investigate two players, keep in mind that some players are immune or almost immune to investigations;
- you have a unique ability, that you can use only once: you can poison the food of one player during the day (you have to pm me the order during the day), the poison will take effect the next day and that player will drop dead during the proceedings.

Victory conditions:
- Takeda Shingen must survive the game

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

c) Geisha

Gregoshi

Okichi - Geisha

Konichi wa, Okichi-chan,

Lovely Kikuya, trained in the best okiya of Edo. Your beauty is known all over the civilised world. You are here with your sister, Kikuya (Lord Winter).

You want that lovely Lord Takeda Shingen to have a good time during this Winter season.

Since your geisha robes would give you away easily, during the day, you are disguised as a samurai.

This is your cover pm which you can use to “reveal” in public:

Gregoshi

Kawazoe Sadako – samurai

Konichi wa, Kawazoe-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

Last year was your first year campaigning with the Takeda army and you are proud on your first set of scars.
You are still young, but you know the way of the warrior. You live to serve your Lord and you would be honored to die in his service.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 3

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Battle rating : 2

Abilities:
- Each night, you can chose to “entertain” one player of your choice. If that player would happens to have night abilities, then those will be blocked. As long as you have your hairpins (more on that later), you will also protect that player against attacks.
- When the player you “entertain” is been attacked, you will defend said player with your hairpins. However, you will lose them in the proces and next time, you will still protect that player, but you’ll pay for it with your life.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Lord Winter

Kikuya - Geisha

Konichi wa, Kikuya-chan,

Lovely Kikuya, trained in the best okiya of Edo. Your beauty is known all over the civilised world. You are here with your sister, Okichi (Gregoshi).

You want that lovely Lord Takeda Shingen to have a good time during this Winter season.

Since your geisha robes would give you away easily, during the day, you are disguised as a samurai.

This is your cover pm which you can use to “reveal” in public:

Lord Winter

Kawazoe Izumi – samurai

Konichi wa, Kawazoe-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

Last year was your first year campaigning with the Takeda army and you are proud on your first set of scars.
You are still young, but you know the way of the warrior. You live to serve your Lord and you would be honored to die in his service.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 3

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Battle rating : 2

Abilities:
- Each night, you can chose to “entertain” one player of your choice. If that player would happens to have night abilities, then those will be blocked. As long as you have your hairpins (more on that later), you will also protect that player against attacks.
- When the player you “entertain” is been attacked, you will defend said player with your hairpins. However, you will lose them in the proces and next time, you will still protect that player, but you’ll pay for it with your life.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

d) Traitors

shlin28

Nakayima Yumi – Nobutora loyalist.

Konichi wa, Nakayima-san,

You have always remained loyal to Takeda Nobutora-sama, the father of the usurper, Takeda Shingen.

Finally, you received the order to take care of the so called Tiger of Kai once and for all!

You are in Takeda service before Shingen and his brother, Nobushige were even born. The man leading the executions is not Shingen, but his brother, Takeda Nobushige (CountArach). The real Shingen is probably among the other samurai, disguised.

You have to make sure Shingen dies and his brother survives! Do not reveal do Nobushige; he will have you executed if he finds out you are here to kill Shingen!

Not a difficult task, but you have your beloved brother, Watanabe Yumi (Olavi) on your side.

In case you need to, you can reveal in public with this cover role pm:

shlin28

Ichimaru Yoshiko – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Ichimaru-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Battle rating: 6

Abilities:
- Each night one of you can investigate two players and the other can kill one other player;
- Starting on N3, you can chose to either kill two players instead or investigate two and kill one; once you reach N3, your gained experience in subterfuge will reflect itself on a lower chance of detection by investigation at night. The longer you survive, the better you get at hiding your identity.

Victory conditions:
Major Victory : Takeda Nobushige must survive; outlast all other players;
Minor Victory: outlast all other players.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Olavi

Watanabe Yumi – Nobutora loyalist.

Konichi wa, Watanabe-san,

You have always remained loyal to Takeda Nobutora-sama, the father of the usurper, Takeda Shingen.

Finally, you received the order to take care of the so called Tiger of Kai once and for all!

You are in Takeda service before Shingen and his brother, Nobushige were even born. The man leading the executions is not Shingen, but his brother, Takeda Nobushige (CountArach). The real Shingen is probably among the other samurai, disguised.

You have to make sure Shingen dies and his brother survives! Do not reveal do Nobushige; he will have you executed if he finds out you are here to kill Shingen!

Not a difficult task, but you have your beloved brother, Nakayima Yumi (shlin28) on your side.

In case you need to, you can reveal in public with this cover role pm:

Olavi

Iino Kumiko – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Iino-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Battle rating: 6

Abilities:
- Each night one of you can investigate two players and the other can kill one other player;
- Starting on N3, you can chose to either kill two players instead or investigate two and kill one; once you reach N3, your gained experience in subterfuge will reflect itself on a lower chance of detection by investigation at night. The longer you survive, the better you get at hiding your identity.

Victory conditions:
Major Victory : Takeda Nobushige must survive; outlast all other players;
Minor Victory: outlast all other players.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

e) Ninja

Kato Danzo – the ninja master.

Hi Yaropolk,

Congratulations! You are Kato Danzo, the ninja master.

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/ninja.jpg

You are also known as “Flying Kato”, because of your legendary ability to enter heavily guarded castles undetected.

As with every ninja, your past is unknown.

You accepted Kiyonaga’s mission and you are now bound by your honor and reputation to fulfill the task: bring him Takeda Shingen’s head.

You are aware that you’ll need to follow the Tiger of Kai into the mountains, during the Winter. All the passes leading to Shingens’ yashiki will be blocked by the snow, so you know that you will not only have to kill Shingen, but, in order to get out of there alive, also all of his samurai.

As soon as you took the place of one of Takeda’s men, you started to examine the patterns of the Tiger. Apparently, at night, he is guarded by three sword masters, one of them the famous Miyamoto Musashi. In order to kill Shingen, you’ll have to take out his champions first.

Shingen’s spymaster did a good job however in disguising them, so you’ll have to find them through careful investigation.

Not an easy task, which is why you brought your three students with you:

- Nakadai Mayurama (Dutch_guy);
- Hisao Mayurama (Quintus.JC);
- Seizaburo Makabe (Ichigo);

They will assist you in doing what you came for by killing 3 chosen targets each night. No matter how numerous your students are, they will always have three kills each night. However, succes rate for assasinations on certain targets may vary when their numbers drop. Attacks by your students on certain targets are bound to fail, since some targets need a master…

Battle rating: 9

Night abilities:
- Each night, you can investigate 3 players to learn about their role OR you can decide to assist your students to take out a difficult target OR you can block one other player;
- During the night, you are immune to investigations, no matter what action you undertake. After all, you are a master of illusions.

As a master of illusions, you are disguised as a veteran samurai. This is your cover role pm, which will show up upon investigation or which you can use to reveal in public at your leisure:

Yaropolk

Shinohara Yuuko – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Shinohara-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

One last hint: don’t be fooled by the shadow warrior. Investigate him if you don’t want to be surprised.

Gokouun o inorimasu, ninja master.

:bow:

P.S.: the game starts with a night phase. Since I want to limit the number of players to get killed before the game really starts, you only have 2 kills instead of 3 on N1.

Nakadai Mayurama – ninja

Hi Dutch_guy,

Congratulations, you are one of the ninja!

After your master got his task, he decided to take three students with him on his mission.

You are one of them! Allthough, the youngest of his students, you are also the most talented one and it is written that one day, you will become a great ninja master yourself.

You’re a master with any weapon and your mastery of the art of illusion is only surpassed by your master, Kato Danzo-sama (Yaropolk).

The other students Kato brought along are:

- Hisao Mayurama (Quintus.JC);
- Seizaburo Makabe (Ichigo);

Each night, you and your partners will get 3 kills. If your numbers drop, you still have three kills each night, but your succes rate might drop when going after certain targets. Some targets will need the help of a master to take out…

Battle rating: 7

Night abilities:
- Each night, you and the other ninja will kill three targets.

As a student in the art of illusion, you have a cover, namely the disguise of a veteran samurai. You can use this cover pm to reveal in public at your leisure. Since you are a very talented master of illusion, there’s a ½ chance that this your real role will not be revealed upon investigation and instead, this one will be shown:

Dutch_guy

Fukuda Ayumu – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Fukuda-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Gokouun o inorimasu, ninja.

:bow:

Hisao Mayurama – ninja

Hi Quintus.JC,

Congratulations, you are one of the ninja!

After your master got his task, he decided to take three students with him on his mission.

You are one of them! You are the most experienced of his students. Allthough you lack the talent to become a ninja master (unlike your talented brother, Nakadai), your are quite capable of doing what you’re trained for.

You’re excellent with any weapon and you have a basic knowledge of the art of illusion.

The other students your master Kato Danzo (Yaropolk) brought along are:

- Nakadai Mayurama (Dutch_guy);
- Seizaburo Makabe (Ichigo);

Each night, you and your partners will get 3 kills. If your numbers drop, you still have three kills each night, but your succes rate might drop when going after certain targets. Some targets will need the help of a master to take out…

Battle rating: 6

Night abilities:
- Each night, you and the other ninja will kill three targets.

As a student in the art of illusion, you have a cover, namely the disguise of a veteran samurai. You can use this cover pm to reveal in public at your leisure:

Quintus.JC

Fujimoto Kumiko – veteran samurai

Konichi wa, Fujimoto-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

You have been in many battles for him and you have the scars to prove it.

As a samurai, you live to serve and there is no greater honor then to die in the service of your master.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 5

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Gokouun o inorimasu, ninja.

:bow:

Seizaburo Makabe – ninja

Hi Ichigo,

Congratulations, you are one of the ninja!

After your master got his task, he decided to take three students with him on his mission.

You are one of them! You are the youngest yet perhaps the most talented student. Your master brought you with him, because the time is there for you to be tested during a real mission.

You’re outstanding with any weapon and you have a basic knowledge of the art of illusion.

The other students your master Kato Danzo (Yaropolk) brought along are:

- Nakadai Mayurama (Dutch_guy);
- Hisao Mayurama (Quintus.JC);

Each night, you and your partners will get 3 kills. If your numbers drop, you still have three kills each night, but your succes rate might drop when going after certain targets. Some targets will need the help of a master to take out…

Battle rating: 5

Night abilities:
- Each night, you and the other ninja will kill three targets.

As a student in the art of illusion, you have a cover, namely the disguise of a veteran samurai. You can use this cover pm to reveal in public at your leisure:

Ichigo

Michishige Michiyo – samurai

Konichi wa, Michishige-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

Last year was your first year campaigning with the Takeda army and you are proud on your first set of scars.
You are still young, but you know the way of the warrior. You live to serve your Lord and you would be honored to die in his service.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 3

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Gokouun o inorimasu, ninja.

:bow:

II. Behind the scenes - mechanics

Takeda
- Takeda Shingen was not Takeda Shingen. CountArach was the shadow warrior or "kagemusha" of the real Takeda Shingen : Sasaki.
- Shingen had some night abilities: 1) each night, he had to pm me one of the duels on the challenge list to be removed from it; 2) each night he had to pm me which bodyguard was going to protect which Takeda brother. Shingen had one unique ability, to be used only once: instead of removing a duel from the list, he could pick one and decide to either have it end in no bloodshed or have both opponents commit seppuku.
- three bodyguards combining protection on one Takeda brother would result in failure of all night actions against them, be it assassination attempts or investigations. Only the geisha could break through the defense and discover the real Takeda Shingen. Down to 2 bodyguards, ninja without master or traitors would have a 25 % succes chance of getting to Shingen, down to 1 bodyguard, 50 % chance. Ninja with master, would have gotten a 10 % bonus.
- first attack by three ninja on a swordmaster, had a 50 % chance of directly killing him; attacks by 2 ninja 33 %, one ninja 25 %. With the help of the ninja master, attacks on bodyguards would always succeed. A failed first attack would result in a severe injury for the bodyguard. A second attack would always result in a kill. Traitors: first attack 33 % succes chance, failed = injury; second attack = always succesful.
- dead of the kagemusha would not have resulted in the real Shingen being revealed. A "masked samurai" would have taken charge of the proceedings during the day.

Traitors.
With only two members, they were underpowered. This unbalance was repaired by allowing the traitors to have 1 additional recruit if they made through N3. This recruit was to be picked from one of the veteran samurai. I randomised that list, the three coming out on top would be possible recruits; I gave them a number from 1 to 3 and had the traitors pick a number. Captain Blackadder was the chosen one. Unfortunately, the traitors didn't last long. I had several power-ups in mind. An increase in killing power with the recruit. They would have gotten an additional kill at N6 (which didn't go through, since Blackadders kill on N5 failed and he got killed himself N6) and some investigation power and also a 50 % immunity against investigations. Alas. The game ended for the traitor team at N6.

At the start, they could either kill two or kill 1 and investigate 2. In retrospect, the traitors were a bit underpowered. In the original concept they weren't included; I put them in to balance things out, since I didn't want to change the setup of 1 ninja master and three ninja. I first thought about adding in two seperate serial killers, but I preferred this, as it seemed more powerful then two serial killers.

Shinobi
A classic detective. Allthough, in order to balance things, the shinobi had a unique ability, a one time opportunity to poison one player of his choice; a kill attempt with a 100 % guaranteed succes rate, no matter who the target was.

Geisha
The classic role blocker+protector, with some "extra's": hairpins that would injure the attacker of their protectee+the ability to get acces to the Takeda brothers no matter how well they were guarded.

Ninja.
The ninja master was basically the godfather, but only it was random.org that picked the henchmen, not the godfather himself. At night, the master could chose to a) investigate 3 players; b) block one player; c) assist his students. Always innocent upon investigation. Dutch had a 50 % immunity.

III. Duels.

The duels were based on Sigurd's duel system. The dice were thrown as in the game Risk. The battleratings represent the number of armies you would have in the boardgame. The attacker throws three dice. Then the defender rolls two. The attacker compares his highest die to the highest of the defender; if the attacker's die is higher, the defender loses one die (point of his battle rating), if it's equal or lower, the attacker loses one. Idem dito for the second highest die of the attacker and the remaining die of the defender. This goes one until one of the fighters has lost all his armies (battle rating points). You gained one point in battlerating if you won against a stronger opponent. No changes for victories agains equal or lesser opponents.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-12-2009, 22:38

" P.S.: the game starts with a night phase. Since I want to limit the number of players to get killed before the game really starts, you only have 2 kills instead of 3 on N1."

:laugh4: so much confusion caused..."Oh one of the ninja must not have sent in their order!"...

Btw, Ichigo - you're next on Sasaki's radar, get ready.

I wish...ichigo was on my radar for a few hours then I got distracted by someone else.

Interesting read. Glad to see my special ability came as a surprise and that the edited pm caused a little confusion.

Had no idea you had me pegged as shingen so early though. By the time I revealed I was sure you knew--all you had to do was add 2 and 2.

Splitpersonality

05-12-2009, 22:39

Damn QJC! Damn you to hell! :bigcry: :clown:

QJC

04-19-2009 04:54 AM ET (US)
When I say take them off that list I meant to say we should leave them live, not killing any of them in the immediete future.

I'll take Splitepersonality tonight.

Andres

05-12-2009, 22:49

I kept a diary from sign-up phase until the final night. It's (very) long, about 11 pages in Word. It's written from the perspective of a spectator, as the game advanced. I didn't always bother to bold names and such or correct grammar/spelling mistakes but I thought you'd appreciate it if it were posted quickly, so here it is. I hope you enjoy it :

Sign-up phase.

Ok, we're still in the sign-up phase when I write this. I must say, I'm quite impressed by the turnout. At the moment, I just added woad&fangs to the list. He's number 58.

When I first saw the subforum on Monday evening, there were about 19 players signed up. Not bad for one day without advertising or PM'ing, but still not enough. The game can be played with 35, but 50 would be sweet.

I started to mass pm and posted ads in the Gameroom and the Entrance Hall. I also popped in in random threads, looking for an opportunity to say "join" :grin:

Little did I know that I would get such a massive response. When it reached 40, I sneakily edited the OP and changed max 50 to max 60. We're now at 58!

And look at those names: all the "usual suspects" are there: Sasaki, TinCow, Reenk Roink, Seamus, Beefy, 'khaan, GH, ATPG, Ichigo, ... You name a Gameroom regular and he's on the list. Great!

But there are some wonderful "unusual suspects", like the punmaster Gregoshi. Oh, I'm so looking forward to see how he plays. And Kukri has joined! Banquo finally gives in to the temptation and even the boss, TosaInu, wants to play. Tosa! What kept you so long. I tried to get him to join in the past and I guess other hosts tried to convince him as well in the past, so I figured that he would never join and look now. Guess it's the Sengoku Jidai setting that's too much for him.

Many oldtimers coming back from retirement as well: CR, Peasant Phill, Husar, Haudegen,...

What am I doing? Repeating the playerlist... People don't want to read that when they see "hosts'" write-up.

Only 2 places left.

Stress?

Preparations had to go "fast". I have all roles worked out in my head, still not sure about a few abilities though.

Every player will get a unique character name, so I'll have to pm each player individually. This kinda sucks; it's much easier to send the townie pm's to 30 at a time. Oh well.

4 unique ninja role pm's, 1 geisha pm, 1 shinobi pm, 1 Kagemusha pm, 2 or 3 swordmaster pm's, 1 Shingen pm, 1 pm for the "veteran samurai" and 1 pm for the "young samurai". All of it is in my head, just need to write it down. Won't have much time tonight, hopefully I get a few done anyway.

The more I think about this, the deeper my respect for Seamus. In Capo each player has night abilities. Seamus, you are now officially crazy :grin:

“ Procastrinate
“ causes me alot of stress
“ prepare earlier

Sign-ups are closed!

Well, Yaropolk really got lucky! Just in time and that makes 64.

I've made an excel sheet with all character names and special roles. The first 14 will get a special role from the very start.

First I'll throw two dice with random.org. That's the number of times I'm going to let the list randomizer randomise all the names. I'll put the names in that order in my excel sheet and that's how the roles will be decided.

Ok, roles are decided.

Yaropolk, I hope you bought a lottery ticket today, because this is really your lucky day! Signed-up just in time and now you got the ninja master role.

Locking thread for distributing role pm’s and we’re ready for kick off.

Game.

Night 1
Ninja team:
- students:kill: splitpersonality+Khazaar:succes;
- Master:investigate TinCow, Sasaki and GH - Sasaki : fails; TinCow : samurai ; GH : veteran
Traitors:
- Olavi:investigates TinCow and Sasaki TinCow: samurai; Sasaki: fails
- shlin28: kills Lord Winter: succes
geisha 1 (Lord Winter): protect/block pever -> failed (geisha KIA)
geisha 2 (Gregoshi): nothing
Shinobi (Banquo): investigate Gregoshi + Kukrikhan - Gregoshi : geisha ; Kukri: veteran
Takeda team:
- Husar:protect Sasaki
- Gobbledygook:protect Sasaki
- Glyphz:protect Sasaki

Night 1 comment:
Lord Winter was the first to send in his night order. Unsurprisingly, Sasaki wants all bodyguards to protect him. Logical choice, since everybody thinks CA is unreachable. The traitors will investigate two high profile players, TinCow and Sasaki. Good for Sasaki that he choses the three bodyguards to protect him. The investigation on Sasaki will fail. Town will get a first blow tonight, since shlin28 will kill Lord Winter. That's unfortunate, but oh well. Some pretty funny stuff being posted night 1. Post #165 is a perfect example of the reason why I always wanted to see Gregoshi in a mafia game. And if TinCow keeps making me laugh in each mafia game I play or host, I'll nominate him as funniest member again. Who ever said lawyers can't be fun? The mafia will kill Khazaar and spl1tper50n4lity. Good choices, allthough I kinda feel sorry for them. It's never fun to go before the game really started. Sorry guys. I hope you'll still keep following the game. Better luck next time!

I wonder if the reduced kills will make them speculate about lynching a lurker. Oh well, if that’s the case, so bei t.

Day 1
All roles pretty much flew under the radar, not unusual on the first day. Sasaki got a vote from Ichigo, as always. Poor TiberiusBeskar seems to get the full frontal attack from Sasaki. I can almost feel the pain of the poor chap. "What? What have I done? Why me?" He doesn't give up though, that's the spirit good sir! Never go down quietly, regardless of your role.But it seems like ATPG is going to be the lynch for today. Poor boy, he finally tries to change his style because people complain about his annoying massive amounts of posts and now that he obliges, they're going to lynch him. It was to be expected, I guess. Oh well, once town is used to his new style, he'll manage to survive a bit longer in future games, I hope. Since it's always a bit sad to have to go early, I'll make something beautiful from the lynch write-up. Nothing cruel, just a modest, honorable seppuku.

Night 2
Ninja team:
- students:kill The Spartan, Olavi, Iskander III= succes
- Master: investigate Sasaki (fail), FactionHeir (succes), AggonyDuck(succes)
Traitors:
- Olavi:Kill shinseikhaan: succes
- shlin28:investigate Beefy and Gregoshi (succes)
geisha 2 (Gregoshi)entertain Sasaki (succes)
Shinobi (Banquo): investigate Reenk Roink – Sigurd (succes)
Takeda team:
- Husar: protect Sasaki
- gobbledygook : protect Sasaki
- glyphz : protect Sasaki
- Sasaki: remove Sasaki duel
Night 2 comment.
No surprises for the Night orders of the Takeda team. Sasaki removed his duel from the list and the three swordmasters will protect him. Hmmm, the traitors will kill 'khaan and investigate Beefy187 and Gregoshi. Unfortunately, the ninja target Olavi. Since the traitors' orders were first, their kill and investigation will succeed. A pity Olavi didn't make it to N3, so it'll be shlin28 and the traitor recruit. Probably,the second geisha will get wasted soon. Traitors are geisha killers… Gregoshi wants to spend the night with Sasaki. The geisha are the only ones capable of getting through Shingens' defence, so tonight, Greg will discover Sasaki's secret and they'll be able to coordinate. Iskander III, The Spartan and Olavi will have to go, the ninja team continues the tactic to kill fairly new players. The master will investigate AggonyDuck and FactionHeir. He'll try to investigate Sasaki again, but he'll fail. I'll let him be caught by a samurai, let's see if they get the hint that Sasaki is not reachable at the moment.

Day 2

Still 55 alive. Oh well, it's still doable. Of the power roles, we have one good guy and one bad guy down. The traitors who had to start underpowered will have one recruit, to chose of whoever survives from this list:
pevergreen, Psychonaut, Yoyoma1910, Rhyfelwyr, Kukri, Caius, GH, YLC, Peasant Phill, Glenn, ajax, CaptainB or CR (the veteran samurai). I’ll let random.org pick three of them and attribute a number to each of those. Shlin28 will have to chose 1, 2 or 3.

Scummy post #488 by Yaropolk, if you ask me. Some will pick on that undoubtedly. Beskar unvotes abstain; technically speaking, he voted Yaropolk when he told Sasaki how to unvote and vote, but I won't nitpick. Yet… :)

Stephen Assen is getting bandwagoned for no particular reason, so it seems. The timing of his posting? His absence during the beginning of the game? Come on guys; you should know by now that I accept orders by proxy, so even if he were mafia, his team mates would have sent in orders. Certainly with teams of 4 and 2, mafia won't fail to get in their orders in time. Oh well. I'm starting to feel sorry for Stephen now, he was so enthusiastic before the game started and felt really bad because he couldn't joinin the first days. Oh well, it's a cruel game.

It seems now like Stephen is getting a few unvotes and a new bandwagon starts, slightly unnoticed, against poor Sigurd who's crime is being absent.

Sigurd gets lynched. A lot of talk in the previous round. Yaropolk was able to slip under the radar and no important roles have been under real pressure.

N3

Ok, the traitors will be able to recruit. They can pick from 1. Kukri 2. Captain Blackadder 3. Ajaxfetish. Let's hope none of the recruits gets targeted by the ninja…

Ninja team:
- students:kill Chaotix, pevergreen, Thermal Mercury: succes
- Master: investigate Sasaki (fail), Beskar (succes), Beefy (succes)
Traitors:
- shlin28:kill Gregoshi
- Captain Blackadder : no orders
geisha 2 (Gregoshi)killed
Shinobi (Banquo): investigate TinCow and Beskar (succes)
Takeda team:
- Husar: protect Sasaki
- gobbledygook : protect Sasaki
- glyphz: protect Sasaki
- Sasaki: remove duel Sasaki vs. AggonyDuck

Night 3 comment.
shlin28 picks number 2… Captain Blackadder it is then. Poor Gregoshi dies. A pity, he was really starting to get the hang of it and having alot of fun as well, so it seems. Do we have a new mafia addict? Let’s hope so.

No surprises with the Takeda orders.

Gah. All these name changes to pever[randomcolor]. Guys, this is not fun. I am not going to change my excel sheets because of this idiocy. Change avatar and put previous username in sig and custom title or get WoG'ed. Really, in a game this size, it's really very, very annoying to both host and other players to change your username mid game. Tempted to abuse mod powers.

Ha, the ninja aren't happy either. Three pevers will die tonight: Chaotix, Thermal and pevergreen. Another try to investigate Sasaki. Sorry guys, won't work.

Day 3

Hmmm, the dead of the pevers got TinCow a vote.

shlin28, sometimes it's pure joy to see you playing; I got a chuckle out of your "Yay! I got HoSd comment" Poor shlin getting a vote from w&f for being known for gruesome killings. It wasn’t him! Oh, the irony.

El Diablo challenges YLC and that's the third challenge in less than an hour already. Ok, challenging is fun and all, but I designed it as a tool for the town to help them trying to kill suspects, more like"ok we have two suspects, lynch one and four other players challenge the other suspect to make sure said suspect has to fight."

Thus far, the challenges have been wasted; it wouldn’t surprise me if they don’t manage to have at least one scum fight. Oh well, should have thought of it. Temptation is too strong to resist. On the other hand, it gives every townie a touch of flavour, something to do individually. It makes townies feel like more than "just a boring townie". Perfectly understandable, but still, it's a bit of a waste to just challenge ahead.

Hmmm… 'khaan wants everyone to vote for TinCow. Poor TinCow. Pn the other hand, TC is capable of defending himself, but I'm more looking forward to see one of his sometimes hilarious posts. Keep some pressure on him guys, if I'm lucky, I get quite a few good laughs out of this. Oh, the joys of being an evil god… Muahahahaha

Ok, GH voted 'khaan and now LittleGrizzly even made a whole case against him. He's dead, guys! 'khaan's already dead!Got killed two nights ago…Hmmm… no bandwagon on TinCow, instead shlin28 seems to be prime suspect. shlin, shlin, shlin I provided you with a flawless cover pm and you sent a different battle rating than the one mentioned in it… Tsk, tsk, tsk… Reminds me of the Settlement… Oh well. Guess Blackadder will be on his own after today.

Night 4

Ninja team:
- students: kill LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, Louis VI the Fat (succes)
- Master:Investigate Seamus, Stephen Asen, CA (succes)
Traitors:
- Captain Blackadder: kill Sasaki : fails
Shinobi (Banquo): investigate CR and GH (succes)
Takeda team:
- Husar: protect Sasaki
- gobbledygook: protect Sasaki
- glyphz: protect Sasaki
- Sasakiremove GH vs. Rhyfelwyr

Night 4 comment

Hmmm… Ninja team seems to have discovered the truth about CA (cf. quikctopic) and are going to investigate him to be sure. You guys figured it out rather quick; nice one guys. Captain B will attack Sasaki, he'll be in for a surprise! Maybe he'll figure it out as well tonight. Kage (post 1073), you're a bit rusty indeed…

Duel will be between El Diablo and YLC, close victory for YLC.

Day 4

Poor Tosa posts to avoid the WoG and gets pressured straight away. Ah well, not unusual for a player who suddenly pops up again. Let's see how this goes. Sasaki surviving an attack may bring him into trouble instead of clearing him. After all, town doesn’t know what extra abilities the ninja master disposes of.

Town seems to be lazy today; the Tosa lynch seems kind of silly to me. I won't be surprised if he gets lynched with a low amount of votes. Turnout for this day will be low, I'm afraid. Prodded a few players at the risk of getting WoG'ed.

Poor LittleGrizzly, even when he's dead, he's a popular lynch target

This is going to be a good round for ninja and the remaining traitor. No suspicion or pressure whatsoever on them.

Night 5

What did TinCow do wrong? It's not his fault Rhyfelwyr isn't paying attention by revealing his role after the lynch scene was already posted!

Ninja team:
- students:kill Husar, Crazed Rabbit, Glenn (Husar fails)
- Master:Investigate YLC, Kage, Kukri
Traitors:
- Captain Blackadder: kill AVSM : succes
Shinobi (Banquo) investigate Seamus and Stephen Asen (succes – innocent samurai)
Takeda team:
- Husar: protect Sasaki
- gobbledygook: protect Sasaki
- glyphz: protect Sasaki
- Sasaki: remove Glenn vs. Rhyfelwyr

D5

TinCow winning the duel won't do much good for him; he'll be even more suspicious by now and Sasaki will probably be convinced of his guilt. Hopefully this will be a good round with plenty of discussion.

Stephen Asen and Beskar will probably be at each others' throat this round. Some drama is always good. Beskar seems to get alot of votes, again. A lot to do about the question if mafia has townie pm's or not. TinCow probably feels like I felt in Midgard; just a plain old townie with a low batterating who won against a stronger opponent, right after a round where there was already some suspicion.

It really sucks if you're innocent, but coincidence make it look like there are facts pointing to your guilt.

In the meanwhile, both mafia and the last remaining traitor are doing very well by avoiding suspicion.

N6

Ninja team:
- students: kill Death is yonder, Haudegen, Captain Blackadder (succes)
- Master:Investigate Caius, woad&fangs, Rhyfelwyr (succeeds)
Traitors:
- Captain Blackadder: kill Husar
Shinobi (Banquo): investigate Tristan de Castelreng and Quintus.JC (succes!)
Takeda team:
- Husar : protect Sasaki
- gobbledygook: protect Sasaki
- glyphz : protect Sasaki
- Sasaki: remove White_Eyes:D vs. Sasaki

A very interesting night!

1) the first bodyguard, Husar, will die, 2) a cross kill will take out the last remaining traitor and 3) the Shinobi will detect his first ninja!

Town will be getting back on its' feet. Add to that the fact that Ichigo is apparently considered a suspect and all of the sudden, after several wasted lynches and duels, things look pretty good for the townies.

D6

Hmmm… GH is under suspicion because of his duel. The anger mentioned in the write-up was because Beefy and GH have challenged each other quite a few times (4 days in a row they had challenged each other) and thus it seemed fitting to reflect that in the write-up as if they were two samurai hating each other. As for the bow to Takeda, I didn't write that he did not bow, I just didn't mention it. That would be a bit too easy now.

Aha, AggonyDuck figured it out: CA is Sasaki's Kagemusha, but now he believes Sasaki is the ninja master. Both would make sense from an uninformed townie point of view. Good thinking, AggonyDuck Banquo revealed and decided to use his poison on Kukrikhan. Apparently, Banquo was getting afraid that he was going to get killed next night and decided to reveal. Might prove to be the correct path, but I'm unsure. I would have used the poison on Quintus.JC and continued investigating. However, on the other hand, if he would have it right about getting killed next night, his reveal was the correct move to get rid of a ninja, a possible suspect and have some confirmed innocents. Only time will tell.

No counterclaim, town believes Banquo and Quintus.JC will die. Oh well, was to be expected. Still three mafiosi left; Ichigo has gotten some attention from Sasaki but town hasn't really picked up on it. Yaropolk got some attention very early in the game but is flying under the radar since then. Dutch hasn't got many attention, but his lurking will make it difficult for him near the end. At this stage, I predict a close townie victory.
N7
Ninja team:
- students: kill Gobbledygook, glyphz, Banquo - Gobbledygook: failure; glyphz and Banquo: succes!
- Master:Investigate taka, Psychonaut, Phill (succeeds)
Shinobi (Banquo): investigate Ichigo & ajaxfetish - night killed: fail!
Takeda team:
- gobbledygook : protect Sasaki
- glyphz : protect Sasaki
- Sasaki: remove Sasaki vs. AggonyDuck

No surprises in Sasaki's orders. If Banquo would have survived, he would have found another ninja through investigation. Might prove critical later on. Alas, he dies tonight, so his investigations fail. With two ninja left, they have a 1/3 chance to kill a bodyguard on first attempt; if both kills succeeds, then tonight is a severe blow for town.

Ok, random.org decided: attack on Gobbledygook fails, attack on glyphz succeeds. White_Eyes:D will fight AggonyDuck. Kukri will die from the poison of the Shinobi. I wonder what kind of speculation this will cause

D7

Poor Wishazu, one moment of not paying attention and a whole bandwagon against him. It's a bit silly, he votes and challenges two innocents and he doesn't claim that he doesn't believe Banquo, so he clearly missed a couple of posts; probably skimmed the thread instead of reading everything. I hope the bandwagon gets reversed.

Kudos to ajaxfetish for post #1645, those were indeed the hints I intended. Alot of people have been looking and have been reading things that weren't there, but ajax detected the real clues! Cookies for ajax

Hm, Sasaki reveals as Shingen. Not sure if this is the best move. Not that it matters though, the ninja already figured it out. After several rounds, he finally gets back to Yaropolk. I hope for town that he sticks to that case like a bloodhound and manages to convince them to lynch him. Town seems a bit lazy though. Hmmm, nobody seems to believe Sasaki's reveal. I guess that's what you get if you have a reputation of making excellent fake reveals; nobody believes you when it's genuine

Now Seamus gets pressured. I guess that was to be expected. He's not posting much, hasn't got a lot of suspicion and is still alive. Wishazu must feel a bit embarrassed now. He votes Yaropolk. Will the ninja master survive this round? With 3 ninja alive, 24 players left, 3 kills a night and one dead by duel, they are in a winning position. If they manage to survive this round, then victory lies in their grasp. Yaropolk probably gets lynched soon or late, but Ichigo and Dutch seem to do well. Ichigo was on Sasaki's radar a while ago, but doesn't get much attention now.

Hmm, GeneralHankerchief's case seems to be that he reads too much in a certain remark from Seamus. What I don't understand is,why would Seamus give clues about his own guilt? Then again, it's easy for me to talk. I know everything And now Kage unvotes Ichigo. His instincts were sound though.

Kage, Kage, I hope you'll do that stubborn thing in the next round,you know, when you refuse to listen to whatever the rest is saying and vote a person because you think he's guilty. I've seen you doing that before and many times, you've been correct. A sudden change of heart of GH, an order from Sasaki and all jump off from the Seamus bandwagon on the Peasant Phill bandwagon. There never really was a case made against him, so I wonder what triggered this. Guess I'll only know after I post this write-up.

I wonder if Sasaki will use his one time suicide ability on the Yaropolk-atheotes duel. He has been suspicious about Yaro on several occasions.

N8
Ninja team:
- students:kill Gobbledygook, CountArach, Sasaki Kojiro : succes!
- Master: assist students: succes!
Takeda team:
- gobbledygook : protect Sasaki
- Sasaki: atheotes and Yaropolk must commit seppuku

A very interesting night! The ninja are going to take out the remaining bodyguard and both Takeda brothers. Without protection and with the master assisting the students, both Takeda brothers are sitting ducks. Sasaki is going to put his unique ability to good use. He will order Yaropolk and atheotes to commit seppuku. Nice; using the ability following his instincts. Yaropolk won't be happy. The loss of the master is a serious blow for the ninja, but with all pro-town roles dead, his investigation ability wasn’t needed anymore.

All remaining townies are just that: townies; no need for a master to assist in getting rid of those. 16 alive, two of them ninja: the format of a relatively small, classic mafia game; nice. Town can afford only one more mistake, if my calculations are right and assuming only townies will die in the inevitable duels. Ok, they may get lucky; after all, TinCow was “lucky” in defeating a stronger opponent.

Be careful townies…

D8

I wonder how they will react to the write-up. Oh no, Gregoshi thinks CA, the Kagemusha, was in fact the leader of the traitors. Ha, that would have been nice indeed, but no.

Many suspects. FactionHeir, Seamus Fermanagh, Yoyoma and Beskar seem to be the prime suspects. Mafia are flying under the radar pretty well, no real pressure on them whatsoever.

Alot of focus on BQ's list, plenty of speculating about what is going on, my write-ups get analysed as well. Yoyoma1910 stops speaking in haiku's and posts normally. His analysis of last nights events in post #1853 is pretty much spot on.

One thing is starting to bother me in all this analysis of write-ups and events: you don't catch scum with it. Why don't you guys spend more time on analysing behaviour, voting and challenging pattern. Ducky had a good point when he said mafia likely didn't challenge. Either mafia has normal scores and they won't risk fighting because they could die or they have high scores and that's also a reason not to risk dueling, to avoid detection. Oh well, it's easy for me standing on the sideline and knowing all roles of course, but still; all this speculating on the possible twists and plot is nice (and I'm a bit flattered by it, since it implies the story is ok), but it's usefulness for detecting scum is limited.

Night 9
Ninja team:
- students: kill Caius, Wishazu, White_Eyes:D (succes)

A “reveal” from Louis. Obviously fake, but apparently some seem to buy it. Frenchie is having fun.

Mafia kills three players that aren't really considered as suspects. Good choices for the end game. In addition, they kill the two players that where in a challenge against Beskar, thus attempting to frame him. Will it work? Only time will tell.

Seamus will have to fight GeneralHankerchief. GH wins easily.

Day 9

Ok, GH is going after Rhyfelwyr on a gut feeling. Unfortunately, your guts are mistaken this time, GH.

Yoyoma1910 is suspicious of Tiberius because of the Hour of the Ox thing. That’s just me wanting to have the story somehow plausable. Three ninja can do all their kills at the same hour, with two ninja, one of them has to run around. I believe I once had a ninja killing on a different hour, I believe when they killed shlin28, so that he could perform his kill before getting killed himself. The hour thing is just something for me to play with.

Next game, I’ll just say that they shouldn’t look for clues. There are some small clues, but sometimes they just hint at basically useless information. As a general note: I’ll always try to have my write-ups to be correct and plausable. If a ninja gets lynched, I won’t reveal his identity, but I’ll keep it vague or somehow written that you could interprete it as ambiguous, that’s all. Apparently, people are now seeing clues everywhere in my write-ups, as if they consist entirely out of clues.
Beskar’s guts are right about Ichigo. But he has not made himself very popular with his aggressive style, so I wonder if they will follow his instincts.
Haha, briljant Ichigo-defense: “Yay!”
Everybody is pointing fingers at everybody right now, but the mafia escape attention.
Aha, GH switches to Dutch. Your paranaio seems to serve you better than your guts this time. Dutch already has a vote from woad. My old sensei from Mafia VI will have to start paying attention. Ajax votes Dutch for no other reason than to “avoid voting small”. Ok, if Dutch dies this round, it’s really bad luck and a bit silly. But hey, that’s how it sometimes goes in mafia: town lynches scum in such a weird or silly way and don’t realize they are lynching scum sometimes.
Husar named the two remaining mafiosi in post #1945. Unfortunatley, Husar is not the type who goes prosecuting, convincing people to follow his lead. A pity. For town, that is.
Eh, Kage gets “angry” with the constant poems of Yoyoma. They’ll be at each other’s throat. Drama is always good for the mafia, they say, but in the meanwhile Dutch is still getting lynched as it stands now.
And again, Husar is right in post #1992 saying Ichigo should be lynched. Beskar is proving to be a distraction. His aggressive style is now really annoying his fellow townies and I wonder if they want to lynch him because he’s scum or just because they’ve had enough of it. I can understand Beskar’s style, it guarantees your survival, since the mafia won’t kill such obvious lynch bait; but in the end, the town will eventually lynch you, if only because they don’t like the aggressive tone. In this phase, it doesn’t help town. Now is the time to say that it was an act because you wanted to survive until the end game and go analysing. Build your case against Ichigo, go quote posts, make a lengthy post, convince people instead of implying they are stupid for voting a player who is on the innocent list.
Poor FactionHeir complaining about being ignored. Ironically, his complaints are being… ignored.
GH is getting nervous with the vote switch. Ok Dutch gets lynched.
“Now, where’s the clue?”, I hear you saying. TinCow was right, my clues are not really clues, it’s something you have to notice, a vagueness or ambiguity.
Here it is the line: “Fukuda Ayumu (Dutch_guy) would not become a name remembered by history as the name of a man who had died in the service of his Lord; since he died before him. He had failed.”
The name would not be remebered by history; I don’t say the condemned is Fukuda, no, I’m just saying the (cover) name will not be remembered.

N10

Ninja can’t make up their mind, apparently. Deadline has almost passed and still no orders. Will send reminder pm.
Ninja team:
- Ichigo: kills: ajaxfetish, Chimpyang, Tiberius of the Drake: succes.
Good choices, imo. Ichigo will have to duel Beskar though. With a score of 5 against Beskar’s 3, he should win. TinCow has proven that one can get lucky though. Ok, Ichigo wins easily, according to the dice. Tempted to make the write-up reflecting Beskar’s playstyle so far; don’t want to bring Ichigo in trouble though. Oh well, sorry Ichi, I hope they won’t lynch you for this, but this duel will be a bit different.
D10
Hm, woad seems to be a suspct, but there’s no real case being built against him. It seems like town is clueless. No pressure on Ichigo whatsoever, just a remark from the General that the fact that Ichigo hasn’t voted yet could be interpreted as a scumtale.
Nope, it’s going between Rhyfelwyr and woad&fangs and a little bit of suspicion on GH. Ichigo flies under the radar just fine. This will be a close ninja victory and a well deserved one. Congratulations guys!
N11
No need to do a write-up about N11, they’ll see how it ends. Well, unless they get upset by it being posted in three or four (five?) times and get over to Belgium to lynch me before I can make the final post :laugh4:

Beskar

05-12-2009, 23:02

Hah, I loved some of the comments in the diary.

Yeah, sorry Ichigo, I had a gut feeling form you early on, but I struggled to actually build a case against you. I requested BQ to investigate you on his reveal, to hopefully bring some evidence to the information, but he got lynched.

Gregoshi

05-12-2009, 23:13

It is really fascinating to read all the behind-the-scenes stuff. :2thumbsup: Awesome game. :2thumbsup: :thumbsup: ~:pat: :bow:

Beskar

05-12-2009, 23:15

I need to strike lucky and actually be a Mafia-role, look more fun.

Yeah, but my gut feelings on a few people were actually correct, which was amazing. Stephen Assen was a temporary one due to my n00bishness, then when I realised, I stopped it. But for example, TinCow, and a few others which I viewed as innocent actually were. There were some I simply didn't have a clue about as expected.

I love how the Mafia made out me and GeneralHankerchief were working together, amazing thing is, we never said a word to eachother!

AggonyDuck

05-12-2009, 23:21

Khazaar

05-12-2009, 23:26

Too bad I was the very first kill, I really liked the Theme and setup, thanks Ichigo for that you evil man :furious3:. And so brutal too. How fitting that you survived to the end...

Big Props to Andres, excellent game and setup...:yes:

Husar

05-12-2009, 23:27

Oh snap, I was the only one with the same duel rating as the ninja master and never made use of it! :wall:

But that was a nice game Andres and well played ninjas! :2thumbsup:

Sasaki Kojiro

05-12-2009, 23:31

I had actually come up with the theory of Sasaki being the real Shingen after night 4, but thought it was best to keep it silent as long as it could hurt the town. That said when Sasaki challenged me a second time I became suspicious that I might have got it all wrong.

Also I must say that Ichigo played on hell of a game. He kept quiet while the town went after each other and it worked bloody well.

Props for figuring it out...I challenged you the 2nd time because I was a bit annoyed you kept dropping clues in the thread like "Sasaki can't have been protected by a special role". Of course, both mafia groups had figured it out and I removed all the duels I was involved in. Go figure... :fishing:

Yaropolk

05-12-2009, 23:32

Oh snap, I was the only one with the same duel rating as the ninja master and never made use of it! :wall:

But that was a nice game Andres and well played ninjas! :2thumbsup:

Husar - I had a really nice writeup all ready to go for you - killer was supposed to sneak in and bash you to death SK style with an old oar you kept on the wall for some reason. A little throwback to Sasaki vs Musashi duel. But alas, traitors got you. I ended up using the laundry pole a few nights later, but nobody caught it.

BTW 18...22...25 were kill #s for the three bodyguards. The plan was to keep town wondering if another pro-town special role is alive.

AggonyDuck

05-12-2009, 23:37

Heh, sorry 'bout the clues. I think the problem was that I really wasn't sure that my theory actually was correct, so I had to keep wondering.

FactionHeir

05-12-2009, 23:51

Well done mafia :bow:

Thanks for hosting Andres

LittleGrizzly

05-12-2009, 23:56

LittleGrizzly - has that creepy following and was the first to switch over
to Shlin after CA

LittleGrizzly may also be a good kill choice - he's helping the town a lot by organizing all the nice vote tallies.

Should we investigate LittleGrizzly next round? Just to confirm what his deal about master and all that crap is.

Glad to see i at least caused some curiousity... i would like to claim it as some dramatic tactic which confused the mafia... i think it just consigned me and Reenk to an early grave...

It was exactly as wrote in thread, reenk offered to become samurai to whoever pm'd him first, this sounded like great fun to me... then all of a sudden i realised i had the responsibility of 2 peoples votes and it kinda guilted me into working harder, when the original pever joined me as well i was starting to worry i could single handedly lead to town to destruction...

Though Reenks posts more than made up for this i was literally cracking up for every single one...

I also like how my charater had progressed to some kind of minor general in my death write up...

I figured i would best withdraw after my death as i didn't have much of a clue and there where plenty of players so i didn't want to help pile them under in posts...

Great game, Thanks Andres!

Enjoyed it alot despite my early death....

Ohh and i was a newbie samurai... rapid rise and fall!

Lastly, well done ninja's!

KukriKhan

05-13-2009, 00:11

I've played 8 or 9 mafia games, and in every one lurking mafia win; yet when I propose lynching lurkers it's always: "let 'em get WoG'd, don't waste a lynch." And I listen and comply, and lurkers win. :laugh4:

Thank you Andres for the incredible amount of work you poured into this project. It was truly worthy of being THE mafia game for org's 10th anniversary. :bow:

GeneralHankerchief

05-13-2009, 00:16

I've played 8 or 9 mafia games, and in every one lurking mafia win

People keep forgetting about Mafia VIII! :laugh4:

White_eyes:D

05-13-2009, 00:18

Sasaki nailed that Ninja master one good....sorry duckie...but it was 33.33% chance if my math is right:laugh4: GG Andres.....loved the duel system and twists:bow:

LittleGrizzly

05-13-2009, 00:33

I've played 8 or 9 mafia games, and in every one lurking mafia win; yet when I propose lynching lurkers it's always: "let 'em get WoG'd, don't waste a lynch." And I listen and comply, and lurkers win. :laugh4:

I think the problem is whenever we have followed the lynch the lurkers strategy we lynch off some innocent lurkers and then give up and return to lynching active players...

and then im sure i have been in a game where we were committed lurker lynchers, near the end of the game, the active mafia won it easily...

KukriKhan

05-13-2009, 00:34

Q: What was the unusual wording that Shinobi(BG) received when he investigated me?

The ninja's got a plain 'innocent' result, and neither the summary nor diary refer to it. Whatever it was, it sure got him (BG) suspicious of me - enough to kill me. This was before I became a candidate as traitor recruit, if I get the timing accurately. If I'm wrong, that might explain it.

KukriKhan

05-13-2009, 00:36

I think the problem is whenever we have followed the lynch the lurkers strategy we lynch off some innocent lurkers and then give up and return to lynching active players...

and then im sure i have been in a game where we were committed lurker lynchers, near the end of the game, the active mafia won it easily...

Just my luck-of-the-draw then in picking lurker games to join. :)

LittleGrizzly

05-13-2009, 00:46

Well i think a few of the ones your on about i was in.. i think we lynched a few lurkers and then got lurker lynching fatigue... either that or we think the town has flexed its muslces enough to get people active...

I think its main fail as a strategy is that we dont stay the course... i think if we were much stronger in our lynching of lurkers then people simply wouldn't lurk... though then in the end we'd come back to the lurkers must be innocent because they know they would be lynched otherwise...

Sasaki Kojiro

05-13-2009, 00:57

Problem is there are players who always lurk, and don't mind being lynched for it once in a while.

Csargo

05-13-2009, 01:24

I never planned on lurking as much as I did. I wanted to continue to participate as I did in the beginning but RL got in the way. I always ended up not being able to be online during most of the discussions. At the end there wasn't much of a point since none of the alive people suspected me.

Thanks to Andres for hosting the game, it was a lot of fun.

Seamus Fermanagh

05-13-2009, 04:19

Wonderfully complex and challenging. Well done Andres. I truly had nothing aside from inklings as to who to lynch. Too many leads, none really pursued properly.

Congrats to Ichigo and the Ninja team. Ninjutsu over bushido this time. Banzai!

Haudegen

05-13-2009, 05:07

Congrats to Team Ninja and many thanks to Andres!

seireikhaan

05-13-2009, 05:14

Man... wish I had been kept alive a bit longer in this one, I completely lost track of things around the time Tosa was lynched. :shame:

Great game, Andres.

Well done Ichi and the rest of the ninja.

Gregoshi

05-13-2009, 06:04

It is funny how different things effect the teams. My crazy act seemed to attract the attention and concern of the traitors, but I never hit the radar on the ninja team. Likewise, the LG gang was a concern of the ninjas, but not a concern of the traitors (apparently).

Here's a summary of my (very) brief role in the game. I had planned from before the start of the game that my character would be a nut case. When confronted with something new (the mafia game), one must go with ones strength. :laugh4: When I got the geisha role, my plan stayed the same, but the crazy act became a cover for my real role.

The Name Fiasco

I knew I my cover story was a samurai so I played a male. When Andres revealed the randomess of the names and a few other players checked their names, I did too. Unfortunately, my random cover name was female. I therefore reasoned that other players would have female names too and further, that some of the townies would have to be female just to provide some "cover" for the two geishas. Therefore, since I had already announced my cover name in public and anyone who would bother to check it would find it a female name, I decided to have some fun and "discover" that I was in fact female. I panicked a few hours afterwards when I realized only a few players were revealing they character names and I just announced to the world that I was female.:bullseye: My only hope was that I my character was so crazy that nobody would know what to believe. I can't gauge from the quicktopic discussions whether my reveal was a factor. The traitors did investigate me and discovered my geishahood (peeping Toms!!) :angryg: but I don't know if the decision to investigate me was made before or after.

And When We Get Behind Closed Doors
That's When She Lets Her Hair Hang Down...

Night 1 I did nothing. My special abilities were to protect and/or block my target. I didn't know who to protect other than the Lord Winter (hindsight says I should have). As far as blocking, I had an equal chance of blocking a bad guy from killing (good) or preventing a townie role from performing his task (bad). Therefore my choice to sit tight. On Night 2, I decided to work my charms on the brazenly bold Sasaki who was much too agressive to be up to any good. Much to my surprise, I spent a glorious night with the virile Lord Shingen. :loveg: I was finally on the inside and able to coordinate my activities with Sasaki behind the scenes. Unfortunately, on Night 3 I died so nothing became of it. Had I lived, Beskar would have been the recipient of my womanly attention on Night 3. And so my spirit wandered the grounds for over a week, until I found my true love. At first we were separated by the temporary barrier between life and death. But finally he joined me in death. I speak, of course, of the manly Wishazu. Be still my heart, but that man KNOWS how to kiss a pillow! :winkg:

And such was the boringly uneventful, short life of a geisha in her first mafia game. It would have been nice to have lived a little long and have my abilities utilized in a more useful and directed manner, especially having been fortunate enough to have hooked up with the known core of towniedom in Sasaki,his (unknown) bodyguards, and CA. :bow:

Death is yonder

05-13-2009, 07:29

An awesome game by Andres, hallmark of the 10th Anniversary. Too bad I couldn't participate much, midst of exam periods :book:.

2nd Mafia game and 2nd Lurker victory :smash:

Good Game Ichigo :yes:

Banquo's Ghost

05-13-2009, 07:50

First off, thank you Andres and everyone for a fascinating and complex game - truly worthy of the 10th anniversary! :bow:

I must offer apologies for letting the town down. What a newb! :embarassed: Especially as my reveal was clearly a round early. Too much paranoia, I'm afraid.

I still don't understand why my investigation of Kukri produced this:

You are hiding in the shadows when you see Gamo Ujisato getting ready to sleep. When he takes out his clothes, you see many scars. This man is a veteran. Looking at his belongings, you see nothing suspicious about him.

Kukrikhan is innocent.

***

You are hiding in the shadows when you see Kawazoe Sadako taking off his clothes. You are surprised to see that it's a woman! This is not a young samurai, it's the famous geisha, Okichi! Here to entertain the men!

Gregoshi is innocent.

whereas every other investigation (except Quintus.JC obviously) produced this:

Crazed Rabbit: you watch Saruwatari Kazunari as he prepares for the night. He has a nice collection of scars. He's an innocent veteran samurai.
GeneralHankerchief: you see how Omura Sumitada comes back from guard duty. You watch him taking off his kimono and you see the scars on his body. He's an innocent veteran samurai.

or for young samurai, this:

TinCow : you see Nakashima Ritsu standing in his room. He looks young. He goes to bed immediately. He is an innocent samurai.

***

Beskar : you see Chiba Tadayoshi standing in his room. He looks young. He goes to bed immediately. He is an innocent samurai.

Since I knew Gregoshi had a role, it looked very suspicious that Kukri's report was phrased thus, when seen in the context of the later reports.

Then when Kukri started trying to lynch me a second time, he convinced me that I had better act and reveal - especially since we didn't realise our success at the time and the town was running around like headless chickens. I hoped the innocent list would give some focus, but the fact that it couldn't be guaranteed as innocent, actually made things worse. We speculated on the possible hidden and confused ourselves. In retrospect, the innocent list did far more damage and since Kukri wasn't hunting me down (sorry mate, no hard feelings - I used ricin so it would have been quick!) we would have got Ichigo next round. D'oh.

On wider mafia games, it seems to me that any game that forbade lurking would benefit. This time, I lurked deliberately for a long time and got away with it - my first game I contributed with gusto and roleplay as Greg did this time, and was dead in short order. Amazingly, I learnt in this game that lurking still pays off, whereas I would have thought it should be the first tactic of the town to lynch everyone who doesn't participate fully. If there are ever any games that have a no lurking rule, and compulsory role-play, I may dip my toe in the mafia water again.

For now, thank you all again for a great experience. :bow:

glyphz

05-13-2009, 07:53

Many thanks Andres for hosting! Had a lot of fun in my first huge game:bow:
Congratulations to Team Ninja!:bow:

Funny, I thought early on that since Sasaki was the real Shingen, Ichigo would then have a role as well, probably the Ninja Master...
Kept it to myself cause I couldn't take it seriously myself... Was wrong anyway, and yet not so...
I'd have tried to at least challenge but was afraid to risk of possibly compromising my role in the write-up.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-13-2009, 07:54

I think you made the right choice in revealing--I would have assumed kukri was guilty from that write up.

The innocent list was less useful what with it being assumed (rightly) that the ninja master came up innocent.

Andres

05-13-2009, 08:04

Banquo's Ghost

05-13-2009, 09:36

CountArach

05-13-2009, 10:40

Thanks for the game Andres! I wish I could've been more active, but c'est la vie.

TinCow

05-13-2009, 12:08

BG, I would have drawn the same conclusions regarding Kukri based on those PMs. Revealing was the right thing to do. You had one guilty result and a second result that you had perfectly good reasons for thinking was off. Most detectives don't get to take down even one mafioso, so a shot at two was well worth revealing.

Beefy187

05-13-2009, 12:14

Good game guys. Thank you Andres :bow:

Now GH... why did you go after me?

Gregoshi

05-13-2009, 12:32

Now GH... why did you go after me?
Because he knew from me you were delicious. Yum! :dizzy2:

Kagemusha

05-13-2009, 13:19

Congratulations Ichi!:bow: Brilliant game from you. There simply was no case against you. I disagree that this was a lurker victory. I would say that Ichi played a great game as low key mafia. In my mind if the mafioso is not the loudest in the bunch, does not mean he is a lurker. Ichi was there posting in almost each round of the game. He just did not pull any attention towards himself with ambitious stunts that gets most of the mafiosos killed in these game. Again well played my friend.:bow:

Also big thanks for Andres. This was a great game after my long retirement from these games. Thank you for your efforts in hosting this great game.:bow:

KukriKhan

05-13-2009, 13:27

The reason for the difference in the write-up of the investigation on Kukri is very trivial: I didn't like the write-up of the first result and I wanted a shorter, easier format. In retrospect, I should have gone for a dry "innocent" or "guilty" without adding anything else.

Sorry about that.

W00t: More posts than Godfather III !

Ha! So my (Kukri) internet character's internet character (Gamo Ujisato) got snuffed because of too many keystrokes.

If that ain't delicious irony, I don't know what is. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

@Banquo's Ghost: no harm, no foul. I'd have made the same decision, given the same feedback. And timing a pro-town reveal is always the toughest decision to make in these games IMO. You gotta get the info out there, to help the town, and you gotta do it before you're killed. The two times I've revealed (once as Rogue Detective, once as Resurrector) I was one turn too late to help.

Seamus Fermanagh

05-13-2009, 14:07

The only hint that Ichigo was dirty was that he was NOT lurking -- but there are plenty of games where he hasn't so.....

Andres:

So? How does it feel to manage 60+? Bit of an experience no? :cheesy:

Andres

05-13-2009, 14:32

Andres:

So? How does it feel to manage 60+? Bit of an experience no? :cheesy:

It feels :sweatdrop: and a bit :freak:, but also :jumping:, :2thumbsup: and :laugh4:

Gregoshi

05-13-2009, 15:30

I must offer apologies for letting the town down. What a newb! :embarassed: Especially as my reveal was clearly a round early. Too much paranoia, I'm afraid.

Hindsight is a false vision here and now of the there and then. You were in a difficult position and did the best you could with the knowledge you had. The one thing I remember about your reveal is that it gave us a sense of hope. Up until that point, the game had been a disaster for the town as far as we knew. Finally we had something solid to go on. Thank you. :applause: That your innocent list later became a liability is not your fault. :shame:

As for the Kukri reading, we were all engaged in putting more meaning into things than was really there as Andres mentions in his game diary...except for ajaxfetish (he got a cookie!).

:bow:

Caius

05-13-2009, 18:36

:bow: at this game, who played and who didn't. I was busy with Uni, not almost having access at all. That's why I didn't vote 4 times and then voted.

Beskar was innocent, yet I did not want to believe that. But you were right when you said "mafia needs to keep me alive".

Beefy187

05-14-2009, 03:34