Swords in the Moon [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 6

Sasaki Kojiro

04-28-2009, 04:06

Sasaki is being reactionary. In a game this large, it has to be assumed that the mafia have had access to townie role PMs for a long time now. Before I requested that he post his role PM, there were already statements that revealing that would prove nothing for this very reason. Under these circumstances, complaints about a townie role PM being posted is little more than crying wolf. Sasaki has been convinced that I'm scum for days now. His opinion is clouded and he's seeing mafioso in everything I do.

If you're just an innocent townie, there's no harm in revealing. The only thing of any significance in a townie role PM is the battle rating, which you could edit out, as long as CountArach has a copy. So, go ahead post your role PM if you'd like to prove your innocence,

Forged role PMs can often be spotted, it's worth fishing for them. AFAIK, Andres has never supplied mafioso with cover role PMs in his games, and I see nothing to indicate they would have them in this one. Therefore any fake covers would have to be forged. And despite all of the above, it's still of no harm for a potential lynchee to post a role PM if he's just a townie.

Nice...nice.

And TinCow--you did two other things in this post. You associate the criticism made against you with me, and then claim that my opinion is clouded. This ignore that several other people find you suspicious and accused you of the same thing, and that I completely ignored you today and went after tosa. I haven't even challenged you. So no, revisionist history is not a defense.

Reenk Roink

04-28-2009, 05:11

:laugh4:

It just sucks when Sasaki starts with this on you. Good luck TinCow, you will need it.

Also, now that Master is suspicious of you, so I too am suspicious of you. :inquisitive:

Beskar

04-28-2009, 05:14

I wonder if the Mafia try to kill Sasaki again.

Prince Cobra

04-28-2009, 07:54

I think Beskar is far more suspicious than TinCow-Sasaki. Once we finish off this snake, we can resolve the debate over TinCow-Sasaki.

Quintius... hyperactive member whose purpose is not to find out the truth but to destroy his victim. Look at his record, his bandwagoning, his arrogance, his twisting of words. Why did he vote for Tosa? No comment...

I wonder if the Mafia try to kill Sasaki again.

It depends on you, I think.

Beskar

04-28-2009, 08:05

I think Beskar is far more suspicious than TinCow-Sasaki. Once we finish off this snake, we can resolve the debate over TinCow-Sasaki.

You are just upset with me, I am not suspicious at all. TinCow will be next rounds bandwagon anyway.

Prince Cobra

04-28-2009, 08:12

You are just upset with me, I am not suspicious at all. TinCow will be next rounds bandwagon anyway.

Upset? Of course I am. Unfortunately, I am the only one who survived your bandwagoning. Why did you kill Tosa, ATPG, shlin (the latter is undertsandable although I am still sceptic)?

Until Sasaki is confirmed non-guilty by Takeda Shingen, I am against the nomination of either Sasaki or TinCow for the next day.

Askthepizzaguy

04-28-2009, 08:46

Killing Askthepizzaguy is what all good honorable warriors do. :bow:

Beskar

04-28-2009, 09:15

Upset? Of course I am. Unfortunately, I am the only one who survived your bandwagoning. Why did you kill Tosa, ATPG, shlin (the latter is undertsandable although I am still sceptic)?

You are implying I am the one who put the knives at their throat and I didn't on either of them. Your behaviour is just getting more and more suspicious, as you are grasping at random straws at trying to put an argument against me when I am an innocent.

If you was so curious about my votes, why not just go back and read what I put? I even said it, yet you just ignore them trying to imply there was some air of mystery to it.

Askthepizzaguy was easy, since there was a bandwagon against me and there was another on him where CountArach said to vote for him and he even voted for himself, I thought "Why not?" and voted for him.

TosaInu has been lurking for ages and posts in other areas plus his comment was really fishy. So i just voted on that since others were.

Shlin lied to CountArach about his battle rating to try to cover his tracks, unfortunately doing that to a pro-role town and my lord and master saying to do it, I followed.

Then with you, there was ample coincidences and things you said that made you look very suspicious. Not this quack you are trying to point at me. Can I really be blamed that you painted yourself a big scribble with a marker pen to make yourself a target? Then you continued actions against me either imply you are a very sore pitiful person or a Mafia-role trying to paint suspicion on me as directed people on you.

So which is it, are you the petty person trying to get revenge on an innocent townie for having legitimate reasons to suspect you or the mafia-role trying to move suspicion away from yourself?

Prince Cobra

04-28-2009, 09:38

You are implying I am the one who put the knives at their throat and I didn't on either of them. Your behaviour is just getting more and more suspicious, as you are grasping at random straws at trying to put an argument against me when I am an innocent.?

You were just the next in the row. You are always the next in the row. My case was slightly different (maybe because it was still in the beginning in the game and I looked very vulnerable). You decided to use the circumstances and to destroy me. Why? It's good more innocent people to die in the beginning of the game.

If you was so curious about my votes, why not just go back and read what I put? I even said it, yet you just ignore them trying to imply there was some air of mystery to it.

Askthepizzaguy was easy, since there was a bandwagon against me and there was another on him where CountArach said to vote for him and he even voted for himself, I thought "Why not?" and voted for him.

TosaInu has been lurking for ages and posts in other areas plus his comment was really fishy. So i just voted on that since others were.

Shlin lied to CountArach about his battle rating to try to cover his tracks, unfortunately doing that to a pro-role town and my lord and master saying to do it, I followed.?

So you are always just following suit?

Edited: The air of mystery is mainly around your decision to destroy Tosa for "hmmm"

Then with you, there was ample coincidences and things you said that made you look very suspicious. Not this quack you are trying to point at me. Can I really be blamed that you painted yourself a big scribble with a marker pen to make yourself a target? Then you continued actions against me either imply you are a very sore pitiful person or a Mafia-role trying to paint suspicion on me as directed people on you.?

I think it was you who painted me in this way. You even went a bit faaar twisting my words.

So which is it, are you the petty person trying to get revenge on an innocent townie for having legitimate reasons to suspect you or the mafia-role trying to move suspicion away from yourself?

A man who finds that you are the most suspicious person around. A man who detests your bad manners and way of speaking, your following suit and twisting arguments. For a moment my suspisions towards you were reduced but recently they grew again. Why? You simply continue to behave strange and to attack people whose guilt is not quite sure. You change your arguments but the aim stays the same. Attack them in a way it is obvious you are trying to secure the next victim but not that this victim is a mafia. This is the reason I challenged you and this is the reason I am determined to send you back in the shadows or die trying.

:bow:

TinCow

04-28-2009, 11:57

Nice...nice.

And TinCow--you did two other things in this post. You associate the criticism made against you with me, and then claim that my opinion is clouded. This ignore that several other people find you suspicious and accused you of the same thing, and that I completely ignored you today and went after tosa. I haven't even challenged you. So no, revisionist history is not a defense.

Your opinion is clouded, you just demonstrated it again. You quoted my post to Rhy, where I encourage him to produce a role PM. You know as well as anyone that the words used in an argument should be tailored to that argument. In that post I was trying to get Rhy to post his role PM; of course I suggested to him that it would prove his innocence. It wouldn't exactly have been a very convincing argument if I had told him it wouldn't prove anything. :inquisitive:

Yet instead of seeing my very obvious and intentional attempt to pull info from Rhy, you see guilt simply due to an intentional contradiction in my statements. Or perhaps you don't. Perhaps you just sense blood in the water and are gathering for the feast.

After all, as you said... you completely ignored me today, and are therefore my bestest buddy 3V4R!

TinCow seriously has to die next round.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-28-2009, 16:30

Your opinion is clouded, you just demonstrated it again. You quoted my post to Rhy, where I encourage him to produce a role PM. You know as well as anyone that the words used in an argument should be tailored to that argument. In that post I was trying to get Rhy to post his role PM; of course I suggested to him that it would prove his innocence. It wouldn't exactly have been a very convincing argument if I had told him it wouldn't prove anything. :inquisitive:

If you thought that "we have to assume the mafia have had the townie pm" and that it "wouldn't prove anything" then why did you care at all if he posted it? That doesn't make sense. My gut sense CLOUDED FEELING is that this explanation is horse manure.

Yet instead of seeing my very obvious and intentional attempt to pull info from Rhy, you see guilt simply due to an intentional contradiction in my statements. Or perhaps you don't. Perhaps you just sense blood in the water and are gathering for the feast.

Clearly your suspicion of me is clouding your judgment! :driver:

After all, as you said... you completely ignored me today, and are therefore my bestest buddy 3V4R!

You dismiss my arguments as being clouded, but instead of writing a rebuttal of the evidence I put forward that it wasn't, you go for this? :strawman3:

Beskar

04-28-2009, 16:30

A man who finds that you are the most suspicious person around. A man who detests your bad manners and way of speaking, your following suit and twisting arguments. For a moment my suspisions towards you were reduced but recently they grew again. Why? You simply continue to behave strange and to attack people whose guilt is not quite sure. You change your arguments but the aim stays the same. Attack them in a way it is obvious you are trying to secure the next victim but not that this victim is a mafia. This is the reason I challenged you and this is the reason I am determined to send you back in the shadows or die trying.

:bow:

I will be honest, my post was trying to provoke you into trying to say you are a mafia-role, either by making you say something silly which revealed you, or get frustrated and just come out and say it. It was nothing more then that, just part of the game. I will prevent such actions again though, as it could really sometimes really upset people, I should have had that more in mind, so my apologises over that.

Anyway, to your post, there is one big fallacy. I am not after securing a "next victim". I would never target someone where I am completely unsure and voting abstain does mean death. The next logical course is to see the arguments of the round and follow which was the best. Shlin obviously acted mafia like, TosaIsu lurked far too much then his statement, isn't that obviously? askthepizzaguy was just askthepizzaguy.

However, it is you who needs to be put to rest, not I. For all the things you accuse me of, you are just revenge-voting at the very least, that is all.

:bow:

seireikhaan

04-28-2009, 16:53

The pineapple samurai is 95% confident that TinCow is guilty.

TinCow

04-28-2009, 17:37

If you thought that "we have to assume the mafia have had the townie pm" and that it "wouldn't prove anything" then why did you care at all if he posted it? That doesn't make sense.

It wouldn't prove his innocent, but it certainly could have proved his guilt. Faking role PMs is a difficult thing and while there are plenty of people in this game who could do a good job on it, there are plenty who are new to the game and might have difficulty with it. A forgery could easily have been noticed, and that was what I was interested in seeing.

Clearly your suspicion of me is clouding your judgment! :driver: :

I'm not suspicious about you. The only thing against you is the protection, which is probably best dealt with in a couple days. You're probably going to get me lynched now with your accusations, which is regrettable, but I've come to expect the noose in mafia games. I reap what I sow.

Beskar

04-28-2009, 17:52

Prince Cobra

04-28-2009, 18:07

TinCow, is mine a forgery?

TiberiusBeskar

Kurosaki Yoshi – Chicken Farmer

Konichi wa, Kurosaki-san

You are one of the craziest chicken farmers to serve your master. This is because he finds you amusing and you are very grateful to your master.

Last year was your first year ploughing the fields of the chicken coup and caused disappointment on your attempt to grow egg plants with the eggs.

You are still young, but you will never know the way of the farmer. You live to serve your Lord and you would be honored if you don't die in his service.

You will serve Takeda Shingen-sama all your life.

Battle rating: -1

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be innocent, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise by a noodle eating contest, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

First, you are Yoshi-san, so you claim. But we will meet soon, I hope.

Second, thank you for the warning. But can't we eat sushi instead of... noodles. It sounds more samuraish to die from sushi.

Third, you do have a sense of humour but this does not help to reduce my doubts against you.

Fourth, as everyone can see how you used a single death poem (!) and my thoughts on Olavi, your voting on Tosa is still absurd, your logic is slightly strange and my accusations are not entirely based on revenge voting.

:bow:

Beskar

04-28-2009, 18:22

I said myself, it wasn't concrete evidence. It was your thoughts on Olavi, Death poem and timing of Andres' posts. On the coincidence level, it was very suspecting. In a game where there is basically no concrete evidence, at that moment of time, it was the closest thing to there being a mafia-role member.

Crazed Rabbit

04-28-2009, 19:39

You are implying I am the one who put the knives at their throat and I didn't on either of them. Your behaviour is just getting more and more suspicious, as you are grasping at random straws at trying to put an argument against me when I am an innocent.

This strikes me as suspicious - he's just saying he didn't put the knives to the throats of those specific people, not that he didn't kill anyone. Seems like the same kind of elusive statement I used to use.

It wouldn't prove his innocent, but it certainly could have proved his guilt. Faking role PMs is a difficult thing and while there are plenty of people in this game who could do a good job on it, there are plenty who are new to the game and might have difficulty with it. A forgery could easily have been noticed, and that was what I was interested in seeing.

Hmmm - a misspelling of a common word by a Lawyer-type. Now, seeing as lawyers are supposed to be educated, perhaps this error is borne of the stress from trying to conceal his mafiosoness?

CR

Beskar

04-28-2009, 19:41

This strikes me as suspicious - he's just saying he didn't put the knives to the throats of those specific people, not that he didn't kill anyone. Seems like the same kind of elusive statement I used to use.

They were lynched by popular vote. He is wording it that I specifically killed them by myself. I haven't killed anyone in the game.

Quintus.JC

04-28-2009, 19:49

Quintius... hyperactive member whose purpose is not to find out the truth but to destroy his victim. Look at his record, his bandwagoning, his arrogance, his twisting of words. Why did he vote for Tosa? No comment...

That's precisely why I am unsure about Beskar. His playing-style nearly got him lynched on Day 1, yet he refused to change, and played on the way he did right at the start. I stand by that he is certainly an audacious mafioso, and believing that this is his first game (not too sure, is it?), I would highly doubt that he would play in this manner if he was indeed mafia. None the less his behaviour makes me uncomfortable, and I wouldn't mind seeing him lynched next round.

I think Sasaki is innocent, I just don't see why a Ninja should be protecting and not killing at night. This 'Sasaki is the Ninja master' theory doesn't make any sense. Tincow is a better target, and yet I can't really see much case against him.

Beskar

04-28-2009, 20:04

Ninja Master theory was before a correction that the names didn't match up, hence why I never followed it through and even pointed it out to some one else.

As for first game, it is first game on a forum, which I have to admit, is frustrating in many ways because in real-life games, you can't get away with lurking at all and you can get 20 replies out of people while on here you get at most, 2.

As for play-styles, there are many reasons many people do many things, in order to survive as both a Mafia, pro-town and innocent role. Most of it is the whole WIFOM theory which causes people to play irrationally and insane in order to simply survive. Staying alive is one of the key aspects of the game, what ever role you are in.

However, "not find out the truth but destroy his victim" is just a complete fallacy. Also, it wasn't my "play-style" that almost got me lynch, it was a bandwagon vote.

TosaInu

04-28-2009, 20:09

~:)

FactionHeir

04-28-2009, 20:13

Can you post on more than 1 line Tosa? :grin:

Beskar

04-28-2009, 20:14

For some reason, this came to mind with your post TosaInu.
"He is not a mafia-role member, he is just a very naughty boy."

TinCow

04-28-2009, 20:16

Staying alive is one of the key aspects of the game, what ever role you are in.

You don't need to worry about being new to forum mafia if you're already aware of the above. You're already several steps ahead of many experienced forum players.

Askthepizzaguy

04-28-2009, 20:22

if I knew TosaInu played mafia games I would have invited him to mine a long time ago... :cry:

TosaInu

04-28-2009, 20:32

if I knew TosaInu played mafia games I would have invited him to mine a long time ago... :cry:

Hello Askthepizzaguy,

Thank you for thinking to invite me.

Askthepizzaguy

04-28-2009, 20:38

Hello Askthepizzaguy,

Thank you for thinking to invite me.

With your permission, I can leave an invite to my next game on your profile page, and if you have time and the interest, feel free to join. If not, no response is necessary.

:bow:

TosaInu

04-28-2009, 20:45

With your permission, I can leave an invite to my next game on your profile page, and if you have time and the interest, feel free to join. If not, no response is necessary.

:bow:

Hello Askthepizzaguy,

That's kind of you. But I always try to stay out of games, mainly to avoid confusions when I feel the urge to bark. This one is just too tempting though, being a 10th anniversary and samurai setting.

I'm having fun ~:)

Askthepizzaguy

04-28-2009, 20:47

Understood.

Dont make me start coming up with samurai games just so you will join them... :laugh4:

Just kidding. Enjoy the game folks; this one looks like it was fun.

Beskar

04-28-2009, 20:55

Just a couple of comments in relation to strategy, etc. I will explain some:

One of the things with real-life mafia is the concept of body-language. You don't just see what people say, but also how they act. However, you always have to be mindful of not what they are doing, but WHY. The why is the critical difference. Many people act in lots of different ways, a lot of them look very suspicious, not only that, it could be a Mafia-tactic or simple innocent blunders.

In honesty, what Stephen Asen is doing is a actually a good Mafia play-style, if done right. What he is doing, he trying to blacken my image and draw attention to me and continues to do so over several rounds (opposed to himself). What happens, is that unconscious, people remember him constantly having a go at me, and people are more inclined to support his side. However, as a mafia play-style, this is attracting attention away from the centre, in this case, himself, and passing the blame onto another player which would give them more time to survive. This is a valid Mafia-role tactic that could be currently employed.

However, as I said, he could just be after pure revenge, which is still a very bad move as it is wasting valuable lynches on people that are innocent, which will allow to innocents to die just because they want revenge at a suggestion they were a mafia-role.

Thing with Mafia, there will never be any real evidence that some one is a Mafia-role member. You have to try to pull things together, even if they are loose and flimsy, if it is the best course of action to take.

For pure example purposes, Sasaki has suspicious things about him, which might mean Mafia-role, pro-town role or whatever role. However, this doesn't mean you vote for him every turn. Not only need you need an argument to convince people, it relies heavily on timing. If you vote for him every turn, it can make your vote "worthless" as even the Mafia-role will know you will vote for him, and they could just kill you off and and it proves nothing about Sasaki, as he could have nothing to do with the matter. Same with abstaining, abstaining is also the way you get targeted as your votes and sways mean nothing. Then obviously, while you are waiting for the perfect time, there is a good argument against some one for that round, for example, Shlin, you obviously target some one like him to get help get rid of some one who could potentially be a Mafia-role member, opposed to letting your vote go to waste.

Anyway, one tactic I used earlier which I won't use again, so I am basically going to explain it. The reason I won't use it was because another person messaged me about it, saying that tactic isn't approved due to trouble it can cause trouble, is called the "Pressure Can". This is basically have to imagine a player is a can, and the idea is, you apply heat to the can, the pressure builds up inside, then they explode. This has three outcomes. This is useful for every role in the game. The other one, you make them "burst" and reveal they are infact a Mafia-role member, or they make sure to lynch you that night. The second option is that they explode and they reveal they weren't actually a mafia-role. Either way, it produces answers in the persons favour, as in revealing their identity, or a possible third is that internal mechanisms silence them, to order to remain cool. There is also the possible 4th where some one knows what you are doing, but that is near impossible to fake in real-life Mafia.

Andres

04-28-2009, 20:57

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Night 5 - Conclusion.

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Hour of the Rat

Saruwatari Kazunari (Crazed Rabbit) was cleaning his swords with a silk cloth. When the swords were both clean, he put them back in their scabbard.

He decided to meditate first before going to sleep. The events of the past few days had been disturbing, even for a man who had already seen his share of bloodshed and cruelty.

While taking a few deep breaths and clearing his head, he didn’t notice the shady figure entering his room. The dark warrior silently moved up to the meditating samurai, a black knife in his right hand.

Saruwatari’s body seemed to relax and he slowly got into a deep, mental trance. The killer didn’t wait any longer and with a clean, strong blow, he pierced the knife into Saruwatari’s throat, moving it upwards right through his brains, killing him instantly.

The murderer left the room unnoticed.

~~~

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Hour of the Rat

Miyamoto Musashi (Husar) was standing near the campfire, guarding the front door towards the chambers of his Lord. He liked standing guard near the campfire: it gave the illusion of being warm, nobody could hide into the shadows to sneak up on you and feeding logs to the fire broke the monotony of the night.

A chilly northern wind was blowing and the swordmaster put down his naginata to grab some more firewood.

While his head was down, a cloaked man jumped down from the roof, in his hand a kanabo, aimed for his head. Miyamoto’s incredible fast reflexes saved his life as he quickly moved aside. The kanabo missed his head but hit Miyamoto’s right shoulder very hard, breaking his collarbone.

Allthough Miyamoto could only defend himself with his katana, which he was holding in his left hand, the killer didn’t want to take any more risks and quickly left the scene, unrecognized.

~~~

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Hour of the Rat

Fujimoto Junishiro (Glenn) was back in his room. What was happening right now, was disastrous and he was very worried about his Lords’ safety.

On a more personal level, he had an extra reason (as if any more motivation was needed) to catch these ninja and to get out of here. That reason was called “Mariko”, his fiancée. After his third season of campaigning with the Takeda, her father had finally admitted that he was manly enough to marry his daughter. If this mess would end well, he would marry her before the next campaign would start.

Fujimoro smiled at the thought of the beautiful Mariko, his blossom.

Unfortunately, two strong dark gloved hands abruptly ended his dreams in a most cruel way, squeezing his throat until he died. The killer pierced a dagger through Fujimoro’s right eye, into his brains, for good measure and then left the room unnoticed.

~~~

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Hour of the Ox

Fujimoto Shinichi (A Very Super Market) was standing guard outside the gate. This was the worst place to stand guard, since it was outside the walls with absolutely no cover against the snow and the chilly northern wind and without fire to keep him warm.

Fujimoto cursed. It was the third time he had been given this rotten task. Never had a senior samurai been standing guard here. And it didn’t make sense to stand guard outside either, since the killers that were operating were clearly working from the inside and nobody could reach the yashiki through the impenetrable mountain passes.

The wind was blowing heavily and fresh snow was falling out of the sky. Fujimoto didn’t hear the sounds of the man walking towards him, carrying a sharp katana. With one fluent movement, the man pierced the katana through Fujimoto’s body, right through his armor. The young samurai looked down and saw the point of the sword thrusting out of his chest. It didn’t take more than a few seconds for him to die.

The murderer quickly left the scene.

~~~

Day 5 - Rivers of blood.

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Hour of the Rabbit

The Tiger was eating breakfeast. He looked how his injured bodyguard got treated by a comrade. He nodded calmly to the man and stood up.

Lord Takeda entered the courtyard and went to his platform. He looked down and didn’t show any emotions when he saw the bodies of the murdered men. It was something that was getting all too familiar.

Shaking his head he watched the scroll with the challenges. He nodded towards Sanada Yukimura (YLC) and Nakashima Ritsu (TinCow).

Both men bowed deeply for their master and nodded to each other. A senior officer nodded to both men: “No armor, no hidden weapons. Just katana and wakizashi.

Both men nodded again.

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Sanada unsheeted his katana and immediately attacked Nakashima. The long sword struck for his neck and he barely blocked the blow.

Sanada stepped backwards and circled around Nakashima. Sweat was dripping from their faces. Suddenly, Sanada unsheeted his wakizashi and struck with both swords simultaneously. With pure luck, Nakashima managed to block both blows. Sanada was unbalanced and Nakashima took advantage of the situation by swinging his katana at his opponent. Sanada stepped to the right and the katana barely missed him.

Both men watched each other and it was clear they started to respect their opponent. Sanada lifted his katana and jumped forwards, a blow that would have been lethal if it weren’t for Nakashima bowing through his knees and rolling forward, piercing his katana through Sanada’s belly.

The deadly injured samurai looked down in disbelief. His opponent finished the duel by separating Sanada’s head from his body.

After the fight, he bowed deeply for his master, who nodded back respectfully.

While the woodpiles were burning, the men started to discuss the events.

~~~

Alive (36):

TinCow
Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Beefy187
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Kukrikhan
Captain Blackadder
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
taka
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Husar
Death is yonder
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
Haudegen
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk

Killed (17):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn

Fallen in battle (4):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC

Lynched (4):
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu

WoG/Suicide (3):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver

~~~

It's now day, you can start voting. Day will last +/- 24 hours, that's until 10.00 pm (GMT+1).

:bow:

Sasaki Kojiro

04-28-2009, 21:06

Vote:TinCow

Beskar

04-28-2009, 21:07

Interesting kill choices, vote tomorrow after my exam.

Prince Cobra

04-28-2009, 21:07

Vote: Beskar

OOC: Good luck with your exam! :2thumbsup:

Beskar

04-28-2009, 21:11

OOC: Good luck with your exam! :2thumbsup:

OOC: Hah, thanks, I need it. For some reason, I keep posting in this thread opposed doing revision... (myhead) :smash:

ULC

04-28-2009, 21:13

I have failed to live up to my name :stwshame:

I just hope I have not failed my master, even in death.

FactionHeir

04-28-2009, 21:13

Prince Cobra

04-28-2009, 21:16

What is SK?

Our bovine friend seems rather mobile, a hint perhaps?

Hmm... :book:

Yaropolk

04-28-2009, 21:17

Tincow - getting Rhyfelwyr to post his pm was irresponsible at best, and scummy at worst.

vote: Tincow

Beskar

04-28-2009, 21:19

What is SK?

Hmm... :book:
Serial Killer.

I think that role is wrong though, I think it is 3 ninja kills and 1 traitor kill. The hour of the Rat being the Ninja kills and Hour of the Ox being Traitor.

Stephen, you should look at two who got killed, you would would have a field day.

Prince Cobra

04-28-2009, 21:21

Serial Killer.

I think that role is wrong though, I think it is 3 ninja kills and 1 traitor kill. The hour of the Rat being the Ninja kills and Hour of the Ox being Traitor.

Stephen, you should look at two who got killed, you would would have a field day.

Remember sometimes the traitor get two kills (in case Olavi was not the traitor). My orientation are the pictures...

OOC: Go to study!

Yaropolk

04-28-2009, 21:23

Our bovine friend seems rather mobile, a hint perhaps?

Re Night Kills, same scenario as before, 2 ninja, 1 SK, 1 traitor. Second ninja kill failed today against CA's bodyguard. I assume he has a survival chance against night kills as there was no mention of a protector?

Which kills are you assigning to which party? I don't see an SK kill in there unless it's the attack on Musashi - that's the same weapon from the other night.

Prince Cobra

04-28-2009, 21:23

The kanabō (金棒 ?) (metallic staff) is an iron or steel staff used in feudal Japan as a weapon. It was constructed out of heavy oak wood, and covered with some form of metal from the end to the middle, with metal studs along the metal-shod end. Later versions were made entirely out of metal, but shorter. It was this later version that many popular pictures of Japanese demons carry. It was usually a very heavy weapon.

Because of its sheer weight, only a few soldiers carried it. It was more of a mythical weapon, often used in tales by the great Japanese demons "oni" since the oni were extremely strong and could carry these mammoth weapons and so were feared by many superstitious people. Today there is a saying in Japanese that says, "Like giving a kanabō to an oni"- which means to give an extra advantage to someone already holding all the cards.

When used, the purpose of the kanabō was to smash enemies' armor and break their warhorses' legs. The art of using this cumbersome weapon, kanabō-jutsu, consisted of a mastery of both balance and strength; it required great skill to recover from a miss with the heavy club, which could leave a warrior open to a counter-attack.

From wiki

White_eyes:D

04-28-2009, 21:29

Vote:TinCow beating Sanada is hardly something even a veteran Samurai can do:inquisitive:
TinCow must have a real high score.....until he says what it is, my vote stays on him....:whip:
Challenge:Sasaki don't think I trust you:driver:

LittleGrizzly

04-28-2009, 21:56

Maybe our master can tell us if him beating YLC is ok or not... judging by the scores im assuming they both sent ?

Im unsure about TinCow but unsure about lynching him... lets keep his lead fairly small and wait to see if master can illuminate us at all on these matters...

ajaxfetish

04-28-2009, 22:01

vote: TinCow

The whole thing about Rhyfelwyr's role pm was suspicious, and his defense self-contradictory. I don't trust him.

If Takeda has some greater light to shed on things, I hope I can check back in time to see it.

Ajax

TinCow

04-28-2009, 22:03

I can see where this is going. Hopefully YLC sent his duel score to CountArach earlier in the game. My duel score was 3, and CA can confirm that is what I claimed in my PM to him. YLC must have also had a low score in order for me to be able to defeat him. Worth noting that the write-up said I blocked his blow with "pure luck."

Have fun with the bandwagon boys.

[edit]You know what, since I'm so scummy and about to get lynched, I'll just post my own role PM. Fortunately for me, I'm a regular old samurai, so any accusations about copying Rhy's posted veteran samurai role can be safely ignored. I suspect many of you have this exact same role PM, and since this has not been posted publicly before and cannot be sent by PMs, I challenge someone to explain how I got this if it is fake.

TinCow

Nakashima Ritsu – samurai

Konichi wa, Nakashima-san :bow:

You are one of the chosen samurai to join your master to his yashiki. This is a great honor and you are very grateful to your master.

Last year was your first year campaigning with the Takeda army and you are proud on your first set of scars.

You are still young, but you know the way of the warrior. You live to serve your Lord and you would be honored to die in his service.

You will protect Takeda Shingen-sama with your life.

Battle rating: 3

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, you sleep.

Gokouun o inorimasu (good luck)!

:bow:

Rhyfelwyr

04-28-2009, 22:04

vote: TinCow

For getting me to post my role pm when apparently you are not supposed to do that. :no:

ULC

04-28-2009, 22:07

Splitpersonality

04-28-2009, 22:09

I believe tincow is right, as I had received an almost identical PM, of course with names changed and whatnot.

TinCow

04-28-2009, 22:09

LOL - your so funny TC, thinking I actually had a LOW duel score -Count Arach knows better.

If CA posts that you had a high duel score, I'll just retire from this game. Under those circumstances, I doubt anyone will believe anything I have to say until its over.

Beskar

04-28-2009, 22:10

I suspect many of you have this exact same role PM, and since this has not been posted publicly before and cannot be sent by PMs, I challenge someone to explain how I got this if it is fake.

You modified my fake one I made using Rhywer's as a reference, then making it look legitimate. :clown::clown:

ULC

04-28-2009, 22:11

I believe tincow is right, as I had received an almost identical PM, of course with names changed and whatnot.

almost identical? But not identical? Do remember TC is a master forger when it comes to roles.

Husar

04-28-2009, 22:12

I'm undecided between TinCow and Beskar.

It's very funny that you post a townie PM now TinCow, the irony shall not go unnoticed. :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

But something strikes me about the way Beskar posts and the way those brutal attacks are. No offense intended but the style of his posts seems similar to the style the attacks are carried out in. Not sure that means anything but he is very blunt in his verbal attacks against Stephen Asen for example and the killer uses a big weapon and strikes with a lot of force.

I shall sleep over this and cast my vote tomorrow.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-28-2009, 22:14

So your defense is...contradicting yourself again? Now you've gone back to your original position that you were claiming was faulty a couple hours ago.

Also this, though you jump on the "lucky" bit:

Both men watched each other and it was clear they started to respect their opponent. Sanada lifted his katana and jumped forwards, a blow that would have been lethal if it weren’t for Nakashima bowing through his knees and rolling forward, piercing his katana through Sanada’s belly.

No mention of luck in your killing blow. YLC claimed 5 I believe, and a message from andres saying he was extra good or something like that.

Beskar

04-28-2009, 22:15

I shall sleep over this and cast my vote tomorrow.

There is a big error in your post. You never woke up, you are dead. :smash:

GeneralHankerchief

04-28-2009, 22:16

Challenge: Beefy

Undecided on who to vote. TinCow getting two very common PMs out in the open is pretty damning, though.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-28-2009, 22:17

There is a big error in your post. You never woke up, you are dead. :smash:

Second time you've done this--strikes me as likely you aren't reading the writeups closely. Perhaps because you know what's in them before hand.

Beskar

04-28-2009, 22:19

Second time you've done this--strikes me as likely you aren't reading the writeups closely. Perhaps because you know what's in them before hand.

Oops, he didn't die. I thought he did.

Though a question is, who is saving all these people then? Why now?

(for reference, the first time was thinking Sasaki was a master ninja, as I never read a write up with the master ninja's name in)

TinCow

04-28-2009, 22:20

So your defense is...contradicting yourself again? Now you've gone back to your original position that you were claiming was faulty a couple hours ago.

Not an ideal situation, but it's the only bit of hard evidence I can put forward in my defense. Arguments are now obviously pointless. Just make sure you don't waste a day phase on a pure bandwagon. I still want to win, even though I will apparently not be able to help much with it.

woad&fangs

04-28-2009, 22:22

vote: Beskar
His posting style is way too aggressive.

Chimpyang

04-28-2009, 22:24

Vote: Beskar

Out of the two both have a decent chance of lynch. Going to keep it close unti CA gives us some revelation on the duel.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-28-2009, 22:27

vote: Beskar
His posting style is way too aggressive.

He reminds me of PrivateerKev in many ways.

Csargo

04-28-2009, 22:28

Oops, he didn't die. I thought he did.

Though a question is, who is saving all these people then? Why now?

(for reference, the first time was thinking Sasaki was a master ninja, as I never read a write up with the master ninja's name in)

Husar saved himself.

FactionHeir

04-28-2009, 22:30

I am starting to think that Beskar might be in the 3% guilty category, but one thing tht doesn't quite fit is that Sasaki was targeted by the traitor and Husar by a ninja, and Beskar cannot be both unless those parties actually work together.

woad&fangs

04-28-2009, 22:31

Challenge:TinCow
Lets get rid of two suspects in one round. That way we can move on.

FactionHeir

04-28-2009, 22:34

Where's Sigurd when you need him....need to find out the chances of TC beating YLC.

Beskar

04-28-2009, 22:43

He reminds me of PrivateerKev in many ways.

Who is he?.

Husar saved himself.

How is that even possible? I never heard of a mafia-game like that.

As a side-note: people love their bandwagons. I am not a mafia-role, and I don't think TinCow might be one either for reasons. Something very fishy is going on and I think people are being played by the mafia

Prince Cobra

04-28-2009, 22:47

I have little experience with Martial Arts and what TinCow did is quite practiced in the martial arts. Have in mind that samurai also knew the martial arts well, not only ninja. My vote on Beskar stays. I will take this risk.

TinCow is not a closed case, though.

Beskar

04-28-2009, 23:00

Lets get rid of two suspects in one round. That way we can move on.

Though I am actually innocent and I believe there is actually evidence showing that TinCow is actually innocent himself. Way to go with assisting the Mafia. :smash:

I also believe Rhyfelwyr to be innocent as well.

Actually if anything, me, TonCow and Rhyfelwyr, CountArach are basically the only confirmed innocents. Husar and Sasaki could be innocent, but nothing proven. The rest are unknown.

So only someone who is trying to purposely kill townies are voting, as that what they are doing.

Want to know why? Rhyfelwyr posted his role note on the forum, which was very similar to my own, I posted a modified version but I wasn;t a vet, so mine was slightly different to Rhy's. TinCow posted one identical to my own, look at my mock and his and you can see the similarities, splitpersonality also said that TinCow's which is also identical to my own, was the same as his and he was killed. Using this logic, me, TinCow and Rhyfelwyr are actually innocent.

Husar managed to defend himself from ninja, I am not sure why or how, but I am suspecting he might be a pro-town role.

CountArach well, self-explanatory.

Sasaki got defended from traitor, doesn't absolve him, but there must be something to it.

Oh, anyone posting role pm's are now void, since they could just copy&paste them.

Now, everyone who has voted should seriously rethink their votes, as if they vote for anyone just mentioned as innocent, they are purposely trying to kill townies, and I believe they should be the ones killed as possible mafia-roles, not an innocent which will let more innocent players die and mafia-role people to survive and win the game.

Oh and since the Mafia now might try to kill me, TinCow and Rhywr purposely, not going after us would actually give you a better chance for survival.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-28-2009, 23:18

Though I am actually innocent and I believe there is actually evidence showing that TinCow is actually innocent himself. Way to go with assisting the Mafia. :smash:

I also believe Rhyfelwyr to be innocent as well.

Actually if anything, me, TonCow and Rhyfelwyr, CountArach are basically the only confirmed innocents. Husar and Sasaki could be innocent, but nothing proven. The rest are unknown.

So only someone who is trying to purposely kill townies are voting, as that what they are doing.

Want to know why? Rhyfelwyr posted his role note on the forum, which was very similar to my own, I posted a modified version but I wasn;t a vet, so mine was slightly different to Rhy's. TinCow posted one identical to my own, look at my mock and his and you can see the similarities, splitpersonality also said that TinCow's which is also identical to my own, was the same as his and he was killed. Using this logic, me, TinCow and Rhyfelwyr are actually innocent.

It is common practice for hosts to give the mafia the townie pm. TinCow came under fire for asking for it to be posted because townies don't know whether the mafia have it or not. But no, no ones innocence is proven by posting a pm.

Crazed Rabbits death from last night interests me. We'll see if the sword cleaning killer returns.

Prince Cobra

04-28-2009, 23:21

It is common practice for hosts to give the mafia the townie pm. TinCow came under fire for asking for it to be posted because townies don't know whether the mafia have it or not. But no, no ones innocence is proven by posting a pm.

Crazed Rabbits death from last night interests me. We'll see if the sword cleaning killer returns.

Forgive me Sasaki but you were probably wrong about Tosa... Maybe it is a bit hastily to sentence TinCow to death. Why do you defend Beskar so much? Leave TinCow to the duelling. If he survives, we can decide his fate.

Beskar

04-28-2009, 23:24

It is common practice for hosts to give the mafia the townie pm.

That sucks. In the mafia games I played, you get it on a card and you are not allowed to show your card at all. In the warcraft 3 version, there is only one mafia-role depending on the type of map, and they either have a normal unit or a townie unit, or they can "morph" into anonymous unit and you have to use things such as floor number and different variables to work it out.

However, I am still innocent. :D

Why do you defend Beskar so much

Why do you attack me so much?

Sasaki Kojiro

04-28-2009, 23:27

I think beskar has a good chance of being guilty. Usually in mafia games you are wrong the majority of the time in your suspects. Given tincow's performance in the duel--I find it unlikely that he will be killed that way.

I was only a veteran Samurai with a ridiculously high battle rating, essentially a low chance daykill vigilante.

Beskar

04-28-2009, 23:30

Given tincow's performance in the duel--I find it unlikely that he will be killed that way.

The difference in 3 and 5 don't look extreme to me. Rediciliously high rating would have been like 15.

woad&fangs

04-28-2009, 23:30

A duel between me and TinCow should result in a close fight. His victory over YLC is explainable as a fluke. However, if he defeats me by a large margin he is likely lying about his skill rating. That is why I challenged him.

Prince Cobra

04-28-2009, 23:31

I think beskar has a good chance of being guilty. Usually in mafia games you are wrong the majority of the time in your suspects. Given tincow's performance in the duel--I find it unlikely that he will be killed that way.

In the rules Andres-sama posted that this can happen. Maybe we have to wait and see. Who knows...

It was unlikely that YLC will be killed.

Wishazu

04-28-2009, 23:40

Vote: Beskar For no other reason than his blunt and agressive posting style matches the "MO" of one of the killers...

I`m am not yet convinced of Tincows guilt, if he lied about his battle rating he would not have required any luck at all to block a rash attack from a battle level 5 Samurai...

Dutch_guy

04-28-2009, 23:46

I think beskar has a good chance of being guilty. Usually in mafia games you are wrong the majority of the time in your suspects. Given tincow's performance in the duel--I find it unlikely that he will be killed that way.

Not at all, it could indeed be the case that YLC had a lower rating and TC got lucky (if he is not lying about his rating, this is possible). Of no means a guaranteed duel winner, especially if we are to believe TC's said rating.

:balloon2:

TinCow

04-28-2009, 23:54

It is common practice for hosts to give the mafia the townie pm.

Some hosts. Andres has never done it before.

AggonyDuck

04-28-2009, 23:55

Husar managed to defend himself from ninja, I am not sure why or how, but I am suspecting he might be a pro-town role.

I think it's pretty clear that Husar is one of the swordmasters, atleast on the basis of the write-up, but it remains to be seen how his injury will affect his abilities.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-29-2009, 00:02

Not at all, it could indeed be the case that YLC had a lower rating and TC got lucky (if he is not lying about his rating, this is possible). Of no means a guaranteed duel winner, especially if we are to believe TC's said rating.

:balloon2:

This was not the point--I was giving a reason for lynching TC rather than putting faith in killing him via duel.

Some hosts. Andres has never done it before.

Have any of his big games had a townie pm?

TinCow

04-29-2009, 00:09

This was not the point--I was giving a reason for lynching TC rather than putting faith in killing him via duel.

Have any of his big games had a townie pm?

I had a townie PM from him in both Taormina and Ephesus.

AggonyDuck

04-29-2009, 00:30

Out of the two bandwagon options, none really satisfies me. For some reason Wishazu tingles my gut. Might be that something feels a bit off in his posts.

Vote: Wishazu

Wishazu

04-29-2009, 00:47

Might be that something feels a bit off in his posts.

Such as?

A Very Super Market

04-29-2009, 02:07

Lurking has failed us today.....

PershsNhpios

04-29-2009, 03:04

I now suspect Rhyfelwyr much more.
And not only because I was suddenly targeted after challenging him, (perhaps I was considered a danger because I won a duel previously?), but because of his very weak reasoning for joining the bandwagons which he has.
He has been active in the game, but contributed nothing to the intelligent discourse, and his style reminds me very much of Beefy when he is playing as mafia.

Leave TinCow alone...

White_eyes:D

04-29-2009, 04:03

Leave TinCow alone...
No....he is lying though his teeth....he BEAT "The Crimson Demon"...and he claims a duel score of 3??
Die Ninja scum:bow:

Seamus Fermanagh

04-29-2009, 04:41

It would seem that lynches and duels have accomplished little; the ninja still attack three per night and the other faction one more. I suspect that one or more of our baddies are simply lurking away and relying on the numbers -- which works in huge games as I well know.

I am inclined, provisionally, to assume Husar and Sasaki are innocent. Husar defended himself but was hurt badly in the process. This strikes me as very much how I would narrate a "defeats first night kill effort special ability. Both appear to have been targeted by the mafia. Doesn't preclude them being in the traitor sub faction, but a strict numbers interp favors innocence.

YLC made a fairly specific claim as to his duel rating. Based on that I have questions for:

Andres: Is there any real chance of a lower score defeating a higher score duelist, or is this chance very small?

Arach: Was YLC's duel score a 5 or higher (presuming 3 is the average samurai score -- as a lack of argument with above reveals seems to indicate?

KukriKhan

04-29-2009, 04:44

Lurkers, previously safe within their caves, begin to emerge.

Interesting.

Please, Yoyoma, a haiku for the occasion. :)

My offering:

Petals fall aground
stamen remains to feed bee
life and death proceed

Gregoshi

04-29-2009, 04:48

If CA posts that you had a high duel score, I'll just retire from this game. Under those circumstances, I doubt anyone will believe anything I have to say until its over.
That would depend upon the circumstances of your death, wouldn't it? If it is an honourable one, you are vindicated and you can still serve Lord Shingen as a Samurai Ghost. Apart from voting for lynchings, your analytical skills would still be useful - in the same way mine are not. :laugh4:

Csargo

04-29-2009, 05:20

Vote:Beskar

ddddddddddddddddddddd

PershsNhpios

04-29-2009, 05:23

Why.... is the Haiku..
Eternally inclusive
Of petals or life?

Crazed Rabbit

04-29-2009, 05:56

Sheesh, I pop up with a tiny bit of activity and get killed off.

Well, for goodness' sake people, LYNCH TINCOW.

He's terribly inconsistent on the whole role posting thing. Especially with the claim that he couldn't have forged his.

IIRC, this is the fellow who has made some massively impressive forged PMs in past games, which would make turning a known vet samurai PM into a samurai PM easy.

CR

Haudegen

04-29-2009, 06:22

I can confirm that the role-pm TinCow posted looks genuine.

YLC (aka Sanada Yukimura) was undoubtedly one of Lord Takeda´s swordsmen becaused he was named after a historic person who served Takeda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanada_Yukimura

To me, it looks like TinCow fluked a duel victory against YLC. The write up mentions that "pure luck" played a role. So TinCows defense makes some sense.

TinCow, did you receive a bonus to your battle rating after this duel? How high is it now?

Gregoshi

04-29-2009, 06:54

Disclaimer: the following fabricates "facts" in the game as needed for artistic purposes. All in the name a of little fun (hopefully).

<cue karaoke version of Sinatra's "New York New York">

Start spreadin' the noose, for lynching today
I want to be a part of it - TinCow TinCow!
These dead geisha blues, I can't vote anyway
Got stabbed right in the heart by him - TinCow TinCow!

We won't wake up in the mornin' - couldn't sleep
Because the ninjas that kill - when we're countin' sheep.

The townies are blue, they're dying away
Today they'll find a new scapgoat - in ol' TinCow.
If we can lynch him now, with no proof anyhow
It will be you - Tin-Cow Tin-Cow!

Yoyoma1910

04-29-2009, 06:57

From caves step cold men
Their old knees stiff from kneeling
With new will to live.

Vote:AggonyDuck

Captain Blackadder

04-29-2009, 07:57

Vote Abstain

For now I will wait for Count Arach to comment on the dual situation before doing an actual vote.

Andres

04-29-2009, 08:17

Andres: Is there any real chance of a lower score defeating a higher score duelist, or is this chance very small?

When I roll the dice, it's in the hands of the kami of coincidence.

The answer is: yes, a lower score can defeat a higher score.

<cue karaoke version of Sinatra's "New York New York">

Start spreadin' the noose, for lynching today
I want to be a part of it - TinCow TinCow!
These dead geisha blues, I can't vote anyway
Got stabbed right in the heart by him - TinCow TinCow!

We won't wake up in the mornin' - couldn't sleep
Because the ninjas that kill - when we're countin' sheep.

The townies are blue, they're dying away
Today they'll find a new scapgoat - in ol' TinCow.
If we can lynch him now, with no proof anyhow
It will be you - Tin-Cow Tin-Cow!

:laugh4:

Husar

04-29-2009, 08:36

Husar saved himself.
Yes, reminds me of a certain truck incident....
Either way I always have to save myself. :no:

I think it's pretty clear that Husar is one of the swordmasters, atleast on the basis of the write-up, but it remains to be seen how his injury will affect his abilities.

Well, what sort of abilities do you think any samurai would have left with a broken shoulder? :sweatdrop:

I'm also suspicious of some people who have only a few posts by now, including myself, we may be right about TinCow and Beskar being suspicious but there are some players who are alive and have only posted around 4 times here, surely we shouldn't lose them out of sight. Sigurd hasn't posted a lot more either so far and everyvbody should know that his mafia style is to lurk and stifle discussion so maybe if he was indeed guilty, his team may be hiding among the lurkers while the vocal players tear one another apart. :shrug:

Prince Cobra

04-29-2009, 08:54

Yet, I think the Mafia shall have at least one active member.

About Sasaki: Takeda-sama, I ask you to fins some spare time and to tell us what do you think/know about his innocence. Thus, further complications can be avoided.

Beskar

04-29-2009, 09:41

his team may be hiding among the lurkers while the vocal players tear one another apart. :shrug:

Then there are people who was once active and basically don't post at all now, like Ichigo.

Plus the Bandwagon against me and TinCow is retarded. Makes me want to see the Mafia the win then people see who they actually were then that can shoot themselves for being the idiots they were.

Sigurd

04-29-2009, 10:16

I realise that I might not be able to read through it all as I am only half way into this thread, but where does it say that I need to read it all to participate?

I will say this though, TinCow's PM is IDENTICAL to the one I got down to the little faults and format errors. Taking TinCow's quoted PM and my role PM into MS Word will yield the same font, spacing and spelling/grammatical errors. They are identical down to the letter, except for our in game names.

If I am not allowed to post this Andres, feel free to edit out that which is illegal.

Andres

04-29-2009, 10:19

spelling/grammatical errors.

Lies!

I am INFALLIBLE :brood:

Sigurd

04-29-2009, 10:31

Where's Sigurd when you need him....need to find out the chances of TC beating YLC.
I am right here, but can only communicate in public. What do you want to know?

Lies!

I am INFALLIBLE
Oh there is not much to pick at, just the odd missing space after a colon and the consistent use of American English and the word suspicious which is spelt wrong in your PMs. :mellow:

AggonyDuck

04-29-2009, 10:31

Such as?

Asking what is the highest known battle rating, using this as your reasoning:

I don`t want to sit around waiting to be murdered in my sleep or whatever. I`ve only asked for the highest number to be posted, I didn`t ask for any names. I could be a battle rating of 5 which may sound high but what if there are people rated 15? then a 5 would be a bit pants and suggest dueling is probably not the way forward for me etc.

What makes this strange, is that for someone who doesn't want to wait around and be murdered in your sleep, you've made awfully few challenges. None in fact. Add to that the fact that your voting reasons haven't been the most convincing and you're suspicious enough for my vote.

AggonyDuck

04-29-2009, 10:32

As for determining Sasaki's innocence, I suggest challenging him, as that will provide us with additional information of his role.

Beefy187

04-29-2009, 11:01

Is it possible for the mafias to have a forged pms? Like a cover pms?
I think they do in most mafia games. So pm doesn't give us much clues.

Andres did say those with low duel score could beat the better warrior, but we have nothing better to go on.

Vote: TinCow
Challenge: GH

Lets end this already GH :smash:

Death is yonder

04-29-2009, 11:09

Beskar

04-29-2009, 11:36

Unless TinCow had a cover pm, he is innocent. I am innocent but people just don't like me,they are murderers. :sad:

TinCow

04-29-2009, 12:05

That would depend upon the circumstances of your death, wouldn't it? If it is an honourable one, you are vindicated and you can still serve Lord Shingen as a Samurai Ghost. Apart from voting for lynchings, your analytical skills would still be useful - in the same way mine are not. :laugh4:

I will do whatever seems best to help me win the game. If the circumstances of my now seemingly inevitable death give people some grounds to trust me, I may continue to participate regularly. If everyone is convinced that I am scum after I die, it would be in my own interests to bow out because my statements would achieve little more than to confuse the town further. I would, of course, still follow the game intensely, and would probably still have difficulty keeping my mouth shut if something huge jumped out at me.

TinCow, did you receive a bonus to your battle rating after this duel? How high is it now?

I have not received a single PM from Andres of any kind since I got my role PM.

Husar

04-29-2009, 12:17

I think Andres suggested that lower battle ratings can defeat higher battle ratings is possibly due to percentage.

Eg: Equal % = 50% Chance for each person

Rating=-0 opponent= 50% ? Player X = 5 Player Y = 5
Rating=-2 opponent= 40%? Player X = 4 Player Y= 6
Rating =-4 Opponent= 30%? Player X = 3 Player Y = 7
Rating = -7 Opponent = 15%? Player X = 2 Player Y = 9
Rating = -9 Opponent = 10%? Player X = 1 Player Y = 10
Rating = -10 Opponent = 5%? Player X = 0 Player Y = 10
Rating= -11 Opponent = 0%? Player X = -1 Player Y = 10

I presume this to be a rough idea of how things are probably going for duels.

Dunno who to vote. :thumbsdown:

How about a die is thrown (random number generated, it's an excel sheet after all) and then the number of the die is added to the duel rating and whoever has the higher number wins this round, IIRC every battle consists of three rounds and I guess whoever wins more rounds wins in the end or something like that. It could be even more complicated, Sigurd is pretty clever and noone knows what formulae he comes up with when he sits in his dark chamber and does....dark things... :sweatdrop:

Yaropolk

04-29-2009, 12:29

Andres mentioned that he rolls dice for the battle results. I can think of 2 ways he could have implemented this:

Roll dice x number of times, then add battle score to the sum. Assuming these aren't 27 sided nerd dice, each point of difference between battle scores contributes roughly 1/6 or 16% to victory odds.

The other technique would be to roll dice the same number of times as your battle score and add the rolls up. This will give more advantage to the higher score since for every point of combat rating he will get 1-6 more points. Someone smarter than me can figure out the odds

I think Andres suggested that lower battle ratings can defeat higher battle ratings is possibly due to percentage.

Eg: Equal % = 50% Chance for each person

Rating=-0 opponent= 50% ? Player X = 5 Player Y = 5
Rating=-2 opponent= 40%? Player X = 4 Player Y= 6
Rating =-4 Opponent= 30%? Player X = 3 Player Y = 7
Rating = -7 Opponent = 15%? Player X = 2 Player Y = 9
Rating = -9 Opponent = 10%? Player X = 1 Player Y = 10
Rating = -10 Opponent = 5%? Player X = 0 Player Y = 10
Rating= -11 Opponent = 0%? Player X = -1 Player Y = 10

I presume this to be a rough idea of how things are probably going for duels.

Dunno who to vote. :thumbsdown:

CountArach

04-29-2009, 12:50

Alright sorry for being absent everyone, I had a big thing to do for Uni but that is out of the way now so I have more time to devote to this. I'll just read through the last 5 pages now... give me a sec and I'll answer some questions/requests put to me.

Kagemusha

04-29-2009, 13:01

Vote: Tincow. You dont behead Sanada Yukimura and be just nobody. That is just impossible.

Death is yonder

04-29-2009, 13:08

Ah right, forgot something. Vote: Abstain. Placeholder cause I'm busy.

CountArach

04-29-2009, 13:19

Re: Sasaki's protection - I can confirm this was the result of a pro-town action. No names, obviously.

The result of the TinCow vs YLC duel surprised me - YLC had the higher duel rating. Unfortunately, this is the only duel in which I have both person's duel ratings so there isn't much to compare to in regards to duels with a disparity. However, it really does seem to be something worth going on so I shall Vote: TinCow for the moment at least.

Now for some naming and shaming. The only 5 people who I haven't received a duel rating from are the following people:

Peasant Phill
taka
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Tristan de Castelreng

So if you have nay suspicions on these people then go nuts. Remember that they just legitimately have not seen my constant messages, but who knows?

Hmmm - a misspelling of a common word by a Lawyer-type. Now, seeing as lawyers are supposed to be educated, perhaps this error is borne of the stress from trying to conceal his mafiosoness?
Perhaps mafiosity would be a better term? :wink:

Kagemusha

04-29-2009, 13:24

Re: Sasaki's protection - I can confirm this was the result of a pro-town action. No names, obviously.

The result of the TinCow vs YLC duel surprised me - YLC had the higher duel rating. Unfortunately, this is the only duel in which I have both person's duel ratings so there isn't much to compare to in regards to duels with a disparity. However, it really does seem to be something worth going on so I shall Vote: TinCow for the moment at least.

Now for some naming and shaming. The only 5 people who I haven't received a duel rating from are the following people:

Peasant Phill
taka
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Tristan de Castelreng

So if you have nay suspicions on these people then go nuts. Remember that they just legitimately have not seen my constant messages, but who knows?

Perhaps mafiosity would be a better term? :wink:

CA. Recheck your messages. I have sent you the pm about my duel value on 23rd of this month. 13:15 my time.:bow:

CountArach

04-29-2009, 13:26

CA. Recheck your messages. I have sent you the pm about my duel value on 23rd of this month. 13:15 my time.:bow:
My mistake, you are correct :bow:

TinCow

04-29-2009, 13:30

Andres just sent this to me:

You managed to defeat a stronger opponent. You learned alot from this duel, which is reflected in a bonus to your battlerating.

New battle rating: 4.

:bow:

P.S.: Sorry for the late pm, forgot to send it :shame:

Yaropolk

04-29-2009, 13:34

According to my calculations above, the odds of YLC winning were at least 32% in his favor...maybe TinCow is telling the truth about duel, but getting Rhyfelwyr to post his pm was still bad.

Unvote: Tincow
Vote: Rhyfelwyr

For not sending in your score.
P.S. My tongue hurts trying to spell you name out!

FactionHeir

04-29-2009, 13:39

I think TC is telling the truth.

vote: Tristan de Castelreng :whip:

Sigurd

04-29-2009, 13:41

How about a die is thrown (random number generated, it's an excel sheet after all) and then the number of the die is added to the duel rating and whoever has the higher number wins this round, IIRC every battle consists of three rounds and I guess whoever wins more rounds wins in the end or something like that. It could be even more complicated, Sigurd is pretty clever and noone knows what formulae he comes up with when he sits in his dark chamber and does....dark things... :sweatdrop:

:smartass2:

If Andres followed my formulae from Midgard II, then the battle mechanics are quite simple (it is basically the battle mechanic from the game Risk).
The duel score determines how many "soldiers" each player have. Each soldier has a die. In each round three "soldiers" from each team can fight each other.

Let's say TinCow had a duel score of 3 and YLC had a duel score of 3. They would have 3 dice each to battle with.

Round 1:
Since YLC challenged TinCow he goes first. He roles: 2 4 3. Then TinCow roles: 4 3 1
You then match the dice:
Attacker: 4 3 2
Defender: 4 3 1

The attacker is at a disadvantage since he will lose dice that are even with the defender's dice.
YLC have one die left while TinCow has two.

Round 2:

YLC: 6
TinC: 5 4

The attacker beats one of the dice of the defender they are both down to one die each.

Round 3:

YLC: 5
TinC: 5

They both roll a 5, but since defender dice are more powerfull, the attacker loses.

TinCow wins and should get a bonus point for gaining experience.

That is IF Andres used my system from Midgard...

Kagemusha

04-29-2009, 13:42

FOS Yaropolk and FactionHeir. Helping out to turn the tide for your mafia buddy are we?

KukriKhan

04-29-2009, 13:59

Re: Sasaki's protection - I can confirm this was the result of a pro-town action. No names, obviously.

The result of the TinCow vs YLC duel surprised me - YLC had the higher duel rating. Unfortunately, this is the only duel in which I have both person's duel ratings so there isn't much to compare to in regards to duels with a disparity. However, it really does seem to be something worth going on so I shall Vote: TinCow for the moment at least.

Now for some naming and shaming. The only 5 people who I haven't received a duel rating from are the following people:

Peasant Phill
taka
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Tristan de Castelreng

So if you have nay suspicions on these people then go nuts. Remember that they just legitimately have not seen my constant messages, but who knows?

Perhaps mafiosity would be a better term? :wink:

CA clears Sasaki, and Sigurd explains TinCows's victory; CA finds Kagemusha's br pm.

-----------------------------

vote: Rhyfelwyr

for non-compliance in sending in battle-ratings - especially after possible numbers have been discussed in-thread.

CountArach

04-29-2009, 14:06

CA clears Sasaki, and Sigurd explains TinCows's victory; CA finds Kagemusha's br pm.
Sigurd's explanation holds true only if Andres uses the same system that Sigurd does, which I find unlikely.

Louis VI the Fat

04-29-2009, 14:07

TinCow doesn't strike me as guilty.

Beskar and Stephen Asen I don't know. Either could be lying trough his teeth. Maybe neither. Why don't you two fight out your feud in a direct duel? Should be awesome!

If I'd be still alive, I'd really be going after the people who didn't send in their battle ratings to CA. Even if not sending the PM is too silly to be likely mafia, it's just not helpful. They should've been send ages ago, before battle ratings were publically discussed.
For example, maybe with a complete list several other unlikely ratings would've been known to CA and maybe Shlin wouldn't have been lynched?

Rhyfelwer has challenged several times and has not send in his rating to CA. What's up with that, Rhy?

KukriKhan

04-29-2009, 14:11

Sigurd's explanation holds true only if Andres uses the same system that Sigurd does, which I find unlikely.

Yes, but it's enough to move him down from the top of my "must lynch soon" list. For today, anyway.

FactionHeir

04-29-2009, 14:11

FoS Kagemusha for desperate attempt

Death is yonder

04-29-2009, 14:13

Well, obviously he would not follow it in its whole, but he would take a general idea of it and warp it for his own purposes :laugh4:. So while Sigurd's method is not the real method, it is what inspired it therefore the essence of it would roughly be present.

Beefy187

04-29-2009, 14:14

For takas defence, I believe he is extremely busy in RL right now. He dropped out of my game too. Havn't seen him around since :bow:

Captain Blackadder

04-29-2009, 14:39

Vote Rhyfelwer

Pressure vote send in the dual score.

FactionHeir

04-29-2009, 14:44

I think pressuring to send in scores is rather late now with role PMs out in the open along with several duel scores.

Gregoshi

04-29-2009, 15:05

From the game setup/rules post:

V. THANK YOU
...
- Again to Sigurd, for giving me his Midgard excel sheet and summary which was a great help for setting up the duel system
...
Andres has also said once or twice that it is possible for a lesser to defeat a greater so that even the lowliest has a chance to win. There is a lot of discussion on this and I don't think it is productive but rather a distraction. Let's stay focused on things that matter! I don't know yet what all the things are that matter, but I seek them. My gut tells me the lengthy discussion on the mechanics of the battle system doesn't seem to be one of them.

Rhyfelwyr

04-29-2009, 15:05

Now for some naming and shaming. The only 5 people who I haven't received a duel rating from are the following people:

Peasant Phill
taka
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Tristan de Castelreng

???

I sent you a PM, saying:

Hi, my battle rating is x

Rhyfelwyr

04-29-2009, 15:08

Checked my sent items, CA I sent you the duel rating 3 days ago.

Please check your PM's and confirm this since people are lynching me for it.

Husar

04-29-2009, 16:31

:laugh4:

Hint: It's currently night in Australia and the day phase ends at around 7am or so there. :sweatdrop:

Vote: TinCow

Well, I still think the whole role PM thing etc were rather not so good and voting Beskar every round would get boring, especially since he won't get lynched anyway. Voting is the only thing I've left with that injury and I want to kill someone now. :whip:

FactionHeir

04-29-2009, 16:33

Voting is the only thing I've left with that injury and I want to kill someone now. :whip:

That's typical mafia behavior :grin: I'd vote you if you weren't confirmed innocent.

Quintus.JC

04-29-2009, 16:40

Tincow doesn't look guilty to me, also his PM allegelly from Andres about increased duel score looked genuine and consistant with the score system. Beskar's might appears to be aggresive, but I'm increasingly begin to believe that he is really innocent.

Vote: Tristan de Castelreng

The most suspcious person on CA's list.

TinCow

04-29-2009, 16:45

Well, I still think the whole role PM thing etc were rather not so good

Yeesh, the duel result is a perfectly legitimate reason to lynch me and there's not much more I can say about that one. The role PM thing is getting exasperating though. I've never played another game in which pressuring a lurker and exposing townie role PMs was considered scummy. :no:

Gregoshi

04-29-2009, 16:47

Is it possible for the mafias to have a forged pms? Like a cover pms?
I think they do in most mafia games. So pm doesn't give us much clues.

The role PMs thus far posted seem very familiar to this dead geisha-who-was-pretending-to-be-a-samurai. So, much like this modest geisha, they reveal little about what's underneath and what goes on under the covers. :eyebrows: I shan't kiss and tell. I'm not that kind of girl. But I do know how to flirt. ~:flirt:

Beskar

04-29-2009, 16:51

Alright, I am back from my exams, I will be reading through the thread now.

atheotes

04-29-2009, 16:53

The role PMs thus far posted seem very familiar to this dead geisha-who-was-pretending-to-be-a-samurai. So, much like this modest geisha, they reveal little about what's underneath and what goes on under the covers. :eyebrows: I shan't kiss and tell. I'm not that kind of girl. But I do know how to flirt. ~:flirt:

So did you get a cover role? :inquisitive:

Beskar

04-29-2009, 16:59

Rhyfelwyr

04-29-2009, 16:59

I don't believe this I have 3 votes for not sending in my duel score even though I did.

CA GET HERE NOW AND TELL THEM! :furious3:

Gregoshi

04-29-2009, 17:05

So did you get a cover role? :inquisitive:
:girlslap: That's a rather direct thing to say to say to a girl. But I should be nice to you atheotes, because I started it by saying a lewd thing. ~;)

Wishazu

04-29-2009, 17:10

Asking what is the highest known battle rating, using this as your reasoning:

What makes this strange, is that for someone who doesn't want to wait around and be murdered in your sleep, you've made awfully few challenges. None in fact. Add to that the fact that your voting reasons haven't been the most convincing and you're suspicious enough for my vote.

Of course, I just wanted the guy (CountArach) who has everyones scores to let me know whether mine was a good or bad rating. I fail to see how that is suspicious. I have not challenged anyone because I have since discovered from a post by Sasaki that my battle rating is complete rubbish. Waiting around to be murdered in my sleep actually sounds like a better, long term strategy for survival than attempting to fight duels that I simply cannot win.

Quintus.JC

04-29-2009, 17:19

Ok, I read the thread. I was tempted to slap a few people for some stupid comments, however, since I am not the Mafia and I believe TinCow isn't a Mafia member either, and the only susipicious person on CA's lsit is Tristan de Castrelreng, I will vote for him.

Vote: Tristan de Castrelreng.

Thanks Quintus. As for the whole aggressive thing, I even explained the action during the night phase, it was a tactic called "Pressure Can" in order to try to expose Stephen Asen's role, if he had one, then I stopped it and apolgoised, as I didn't actually want to OOC end up offending Stephen Asen for real.

As far as I can tell neither you, Tincow or Stephen A. strikes me as guilty. However Tincow is a very experienced player capable of ever-changing playing style both as town or scum. As for you I don't see much wrong with aggressive behaviour to pressure others into making mistakes, as long as that aggressiveness remains in game. I did get annoyed with your editing tally a little bit. As for Stephen it's the first time I've played with him, can't really say much about him but I couldn't see anything solid when people bandwaggoned him and nearly got him lynched.

Retracing my vote I was considering of putting my vote on Taka, but Beefy came and out and gave a credible in his defence. So I suppose we'll concentrate on him later or Andres will just WoG him if he continues to be too busy in RL.

Sasaki Kojiro

04-29-2009, 17:25

Yeesh, the duel result is a perfectly legitimate reason to lynch me and there's not much more I can say about that one. The role PM thing is getting exasperating though. I've never played another game in which pressuring a lurker and exposing townie role PMs was considered scummy. :no:
:strawman3:

The role PMs thus far posted seem very familiar to this dead geisha-who-was-pretending-to-be-a-samurai. So, much like this modest geisha, they reveal little about what's underneath and what goes on under the covers. :eyebrows: I shan't kiss and tell. I'm not that kind of girl. But I do know how to flirt. ~:flirt:

This is confirmation that cover pm's were sent out--there was no confirmation before this. TinCow's contradictions go in a full circle. First it is proof of innocence, then it is no proof at all, then it is back to being proof again.

Gregoshi

04-29-2009, 17:35

Sasaki! You understand women well for a samurai. ~:flirt:

I wonder how
he handles his
sword?
:thinking2:

Sasaki Kojiro

04-29-2009, 17:43

Sasaki! You understand women well for a samurai. ~:flirt:

I wonder how
he handles his
sword?
:thinking2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasaki_Kojirō

Sasaki later became skilled in the wielding of a nōdachi, and used one he called "The Laundry-Drying Pole" as his main weapon.
:shrug:

Haudegen

04-29-2009, 18:35

Ok, so the defense with role-pm´s is useless.

In this case, i will

vote: TinCow

Kagemusha

04-29-2009, 18:41

FoS Kagemusha for desperate attempt

Desperate?Hmmmm....

glyphz

04-29-2009, 18:56

Is keeping the tally becoming a lost art?!
For shame... :no:

Tally: (as of this post only)

Tincow: 9 - (Sasaki Kojiro, White_eyes:D, ajaxfetixh, Rhyfelwyr, Beefy187, Kagemusha, CountArach, Husar, Haudegen)

Beskar: 5 - (StephenAsen, woad&fangs, Chimpyang, Wishazu, Ichigo)

Rhyfelwyr: 3 - (Yaropolk, KukriKhan, CaptainBlackadder)
Tristan de Castelreng: 3 - (FactionHeir, Quintus.JC, Beskar)

Abstain: Death_is_yonder

Challenges:

White_eyes:D - Sasaki Kojiro
GeneralHankerchief - Beefy187
woad&fangs - Tincow
Beefy - GH
edit: double-checking...
edit2: ~:thumb:

Banquo's Ghost

04-29-2009, 18:59

I'm not convinced by the arguments for TinCow - his PM post looks authentic to me.

In the absence of any response from CountArach, I must say that with little to go on for anyone, Rhyfelwyr looks most suspicious. He seemed to pick up on Kagemusha's plea to CA and repeat it quickly. Perhaps he is counting on CA not to have the time to post a response?

A thin line of reasoning, to be sure, but the only thread I can find that has some validity to me. I remain to be convinced though, Rhyf.

Vote: Rhyfelwyr.

Prince Cobra

04-29-2009, 19:02

Yoyoma1910

04-29-2009, 19:24

Is keeping the tally becoming a lost art?!
For shame... :no:

With the morning sun
So awakens all the world's
Inaccuracies.

*ahem*

Beskar

04-29-2009, 19:31

I have been a lil' busy recently. I am really good at procasination too, I even convince myself.

glyphz

04-29-2009, 19:32

You missed Count Arach voting on TinCow. But why do I have the persistent feeling we are going to lynch another townie? Like Tosa? TinCow could be indeed excellent manipulator and yet... my gut feeling says something is not right. I wish we had at least once a good evidence against somebody. :wall:

Hmm...Thanks for the heads-up:bow:
It would seem that TinCow is in the position, 'Killed if you lose, damned if you win.' Can't tell whether he's innocent or not...:shrug:

edit: new page, new tally...

Tally: (as of this post only)

Tincow: 9 - (Sasaki Kojiro, White_eyes:D, ajaxfetixh, Rhyfelwyr, Beefy187, Kagemusha, CountArach, Husar, Haudegen)

Beskar: 5 - (StephenAsen, woad&fangs, Chimpyang, Wishazu, Ichigo)

Rhyfelwyr: 4 - (Yaropolk, KukriKhan, CaptainBlackadder, Banquo's Ghost)

Tristan de Castelreng: 3 - (FactionHeir, Quintus.JC, Beskar)

Abstain: Death_is_yonder

Challenges:

White_eyes:D - Sasaki Kojiro
GeneralHankerchief - Beefy187
woad&fangs - Tincow
Beefy - GH

Yoyoma1910

04-29-2009, 19:56

I suppose I shall have to be more direct:

From caves step cold men
Their old knees stiff from kneeling
With new will to live.

Vote:AggonyDuck

atheotes

04-29-2009, 19:59

Tristan seems to have been inactive in the org except for a couple of posts in a hotseat campaign...so not much to go by...

I am equally suspicious of Rhyfelwyr and Tincow...
Rhy claims he had sent the battle ratings 3 days ago.. that is the 26th... the battle ratings were asked for much before that (21st or 22nd).. On the 24th itself there was a call to CA to name all people who hadn't sent the battle rating by then... there was a list of inactive players and even CA posted this https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2220026&postcount=931 as people who had not sent the battle ratings and also in the list of lurkers...
Rhy could have sent his ratings after that...so just sending the battle rating doesnt remove the suspicion....but this is a very weak theory...maybe if CA can confirm the receipt of the PM and date we can get more info...:juggle2:

Tincow's PM post has been deemed useless by Gregoshi's revelation... :shrug:

Vote: Tincow

hope we are not
lynching the
wrong person again
:thinking2:

Tally: (as of this post only)

Tincow: 10 - (Sasaki Kojiro, White_eyes:D, ajaxfetixh, Rhyfelwyr, Beefy187, Kagemusha, CountArach, Husar, Haudegen, Atheotes)

Beskar: 5 - (StephenAsen, woad&fangs, Chimpyang, Wishazu, Ichigo)
Rhyfelwyr: 4 - (Yaropolk, KukriKhan, CaptainBlackadder, Banquo's Ghost)
Tristan de Castelreng: 3 - (FactionHeir, Quintus.JC, Beskar)
AggonyDuck: 1 - (Yoyoma1910)
Abstain: Death_is_yonder

Challenges:

White_eyes:D - Sasaki Kojiro
GeneralHankerchief - Beefy187
woad&fangs - Tincow
Beefy - GH

atheotes

04-29-2009, 20:03

:girlslap: That's a rather direct thing to say to say to a girl. But I should be nice to you atheotes, because I started it by saying a lewd thing. ~;)

:stwshame: Apologies....my English is as crude as my ways. :stwshame:

Prince Cobra

04-29-2009, 20:09

Challenge: Beskar

We all die. It only matters how, where and when. I do it with the clear consciousness this could be the last thing I do. But I see little hope for the future.

I am sure Beskar is one of the mafia. In his words I was first ninja and when this failed, he followed the public opinion that I am traitor. Then when he saw he can not accuse me he decided to offer me a silent cease fire and developed strange ideas about cans and pressure. I also think that because of its significant number mafia immensely influences the lynches.

Farewell friends if I lose! For Lord Takeda and glory!
:bow:

Gregoshi

04-29-2009, 20:14

It would seem that TinCow is in the position, 'Killed if you lose, damned if you win.' Can't tell whether he's innocent or not...:shrug:
I understand glyphz. I posted about the combat system/ratings and the role PMs because they seemed like things generating a lot of useless discussion when perhaps we should be looking elsewhere for clues. There is still too much gut and not enough brain in most of the accusations. To be fair, there doesn't seem like much for the brain to latch on to yet, but wonder how much research is being devoted to seeking brain food. Sasaki's case against TinCow and his flip-flops looks pretty incrimnating but it seems even that type of evidence can have legitimate or concocted explanations for the activities. So evidence that is less player behaviour related is better. Unfortunately it seems scarce too.

I've re-read each of the killing, duel and lynching writeups looking for subtle clues that might give us a tip. The few anomalies I noted hadn't yielded anything useful though.

Gregoshi

04-29-2009, 20:21

:stwshame: Apologies....my English is as crude as my ways. :stwshame:
No need to apologize atheotes. I was just play games with puns and double meanings and you were my foil. You are a samurai and a gentleman in my eyes...until proven otherwise. :winkg:

Beskar

04-29-2009, 20:27

Prince Cobra

04-29-2009, 20:42

I hope the mafia kills you, just so you will leave me alone. I am an innocent young samurai.

:smash:

If you think I am glad with risking my life, you are wrong.

Csargo

04-29-2009, 20:51

Then there are people who was once active and basically don't post at all now, like Ichigo.

I've had a lot going on the last week, but now I can participate more.:end:

Andres

04-29-2009, 21:03

Voting Concluded. Stand by for execution.

Andres

04-29-2009, 21:21

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Day 5 - Conclusion.

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/Takeda2.jpg

Hour of the monkey

Nakashima Ritsu (TinCow) looked up to the sky above him. It was clear. As he was watching the stale blue sky, his memories went back to the sea, to the village where he grew up, under the guidance of his father, a hard but fair master.

It was with regret that he realized how he would have made his father proud, fighting and killing for a noble master and now dying in his service. Regret, because his father would never know it. Or maybe he would?

Nakashima stared at the stars that started appearing. Surely, one of them was his father. Soon he would be there and he could tell about the battles he had fought and how he died honorably in the service of his Lord.

He picked up the sharp and clean knife that was there in front of him, on a white cushion. He opened the belt of his kimono. The smell of soap greeted him. His heart started to swell with pride. Soap, not the smell of fear.

Nakashima pierced the knife into his body. While he felt the blood leaving him, he kept looking up, to the stars. Soon he would be there.

The blade of his kaishakunin struck mercifully.

Lord Takeda nodded respectfully towards the body.

He stood up and went inside.

~~~

Tally:

TinCow: 10 (CountArach, Husar, Rhyfelwyr, Haudegen, Sasaki Kojiro, Kagemusha, atheotes, White_Eyes:D, Beefy187, ajaxfetish) :skull:

Beskar: 5 (woad&fangs, Stephen Asen, Wishazu, Ichigo, Chimpyang)
Rhyfelwyr: 4 (Banquo's Ghost, Kukrikhan, Yaropolk, Captain Blackadder)
Tristan de Castelreng: 3 (Beskar, Quintus.JC, FactionHeir)

AggonyDuck: 1 (Yoyoma1910)
Wishazu: 1 (AggonyDuck)

abstain: 1 (Death is yonder)

Not voting: 11 (Gobbledygook, TinCow, Tristan de Castelreng, Seamus Fermanagh, glyphz, taka, Dutch_guy, Peasant Phill, GeneralHankerchief, Caius, Psychonaut)

~~~

Challenges:

1. White_Eyes:D vs. Sasaki
2. GeneralHankerchief vs. Beefy187
3. Beefy187 vs. GeneralHankerchief
4. Stephen Asen vs. Beskar

Note: since TinCow got lynched, the woad&fangs vs. TinCow duel became null and void.

~~~

Alive (35):

Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Beefy187
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Kukrikhan
Captain Blackadder
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
taka
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Husar
Death is yonder
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
Haudegen
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk

Killed (17):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn

Fallen in battle (4):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC

Lynched (5):
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow

WoG/Suicide (3):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver

~~~

It's now night. Due to RL, it'll be an extended night phase which will last until Friday, the 1st of May, 10.00 am (GMT+1), which is +/- 36 hours from this post.

:bow:

Beskar

04-29-2009, 21:22

Didn't look like a Mafia lynching. Though if you was, TinCow, I would be upset. :sad:

atheotes

04-29-2009, 21:42

Didn't look like a Mafia lynching. Though if you was, TinCow, I would be upset. :sad:

Is there any way to tell? i have been looking for subtle clues but the clues seem to be too subtle for my untrained eyes...:shrug:

for a second i thought Nakashima was a traitor... unfortunately the traitors name is Nakayima...:wall:

Gregoshi

04-29-2009, 21:45

No specific mention of who his lord was.

TinCow

04-29-2009, 21:46

Didn't look like a Mafia lynching. Though if you was, TinCow, I would be upset. :sad:

Nah. Since the act is now done, I have no difficulty saying that I would have voted for anyone who had been in my identical situation. Victory in a duel despite claiming a lower duel score, followed by the late revelation that some people apparently have cover role PMs. I've had more than my fair share of good luck in mafia games, I deserved a little bad luck to even it out.

atheotes

04-29-2009, 21:59

No specific mention of who his lord was.

I thought abt it...his father would have served Takeda Nobutora and would be proud of him if he served Nobutora... that would mean Tincow was a traitor but the names dont match... so not sure if the fact that the master is not mentioned is a useful hint either... :juggle2:
will we see a reduction in the number of kills/attempts if a ninja is killed or will the ninja master be able to fill in? :inquisitive:

Beskar

04-29-2009, 22:08

Won't work. There are 4 Ninja (3 + 1 Master) and they have 3 kills constantly, I think.

Gregoshi

04-30-2009, 00:51

for a second i thought Nakashima was a traitor... unfortunately the traitors name is Nakayima...:wall:
I'm guessing he was a traitor. An alternate spelling of Nakashima is Nakajima but I couldn't connect "jima" with "yima". It is almost too close to be coincidence. Maybe Beefy(?) can help with the connection if there is one. We may find out this night.

Beefy187

04-30-2009, 01:19

Never heard of Nakayima actually.. When converted to hiragana it becomes なけいま which doesn't come up with a name.

So I did a quick research on google. Got a few japanese names like the name of the Japanese fighter in WWII called Ki-27 Nakayima.

Searched on google for Ki-27 and came up with type 97 fighter "Nakajima"

So as conclusion Nakayima= Nakajima= Nakashima

Or it could be a spelling mistake.

EDIT:　仲井間・・stupid romaji..

I would say its a completely different person

Reenk Roink

04-30-2009, 01:50

Someone should definitely check up on glyphz. I really get the feeling he's up to something (if you are pro-town my apologies).

Gregoshi

04-30-2009, 02:30

So I did a quick research on google. Got a few japanese names like the name of the Japanese fighter in WWII called Ki-27 Nakayima.

Searched on google for Ki-27 and came up with type 97 fighter "Nakajima"

So as conclusion Nakayima= Nakajima

Or it could be a spelling mistake.

If you can conclude that Nakayima = Nakajima, here's the link that puts Nakajima = Nakashima: http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Nakashima-name-meaning.ashx

Regarding TinCow and the unnamed Lord, I must correct myself. I was confusing thoughts of the murdered with the thoughts of the condemed. Atpg, Sigurd, schlin and Tosa were at peace and absorbed with little things at the moment of death. TinCow's focus was much different. His thoughts were of service to his lord.

It was with regret that he realized how he would have made his father proud, fighting and killing for a noble master and now dying in his service.

The "and killing" seems extraneous when one is fighting, unless the killing was done while not fighting, i.e., murder. It isn't much but Andres said the hints would be subtle.

Another thing that strikes me as unusual was Louis' killing. He was sweating and very nervous before he was killed. Either he was expecting something or was hiding something that made him very anxious. However, I can't piece together what that means.

Lastly, AVSM's death was odd, almost like he was setup.

Fujimoto cursed. It was the third time he had been given this rotten task. Never had a senior samurai been standing guard here. And it didn’t make sense to stand guard outside either, since the killers that were operating were clearly working from the inside and nobody could reach the yashiki through the impenetrable mountain passes.

Is there a role in mafia that would make someone more vulnerable to attack - like neutralizing a protector or protection ability?

Is there anything here, or am I chasing phantoms?

A Very Super Market

04-30-2009, 02:39

Don't follow that road. I was a lurking townie, and got killed for it.

Gregoshi

04-30-2009, 03:13

Don't follow that road. I was a lurking townie, and got killed for it.
Killed as in murdered or killed as in Wrath of God?

KukriKhan

04-30-2009, 03:24

So 35 remain alive

Alive (35):
Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Beefy187
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Kukrikhan
Captain Blackadder
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
taka
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Husar
Death is yonder
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
Haudegen
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk

Worst case scenario: we have lynched no mafia, nor duelled any, and mafia can kill up to 6 per night. Somebody please check my arithmetic, but (minus WoG's) we therefore have 2 more day/night cycles before the mafia outnumber townies - assuming their continued success.

Bottom line = we can afford to "blow it" one more time before we must get every lych and duel correct (in killing mafia). We're closer to endGame than some may think.

We've not been given any nightime vigilante capabilities, so our only defense is the lynch and the duel.

This means that every player must be active from now on. Lurking must be severely sanctioned as not only non-productive, but counter-productive.

Lurk = die.

Contribute, or die.

Assuming everyone follows this advice (HA!) we also need the smart help from our dead players. (Thank you Gregoshi :bow:). Astute analysis can help us find the bad guys and pick them off, one by one.

A Very Super Market

04-30-2009, 03:39

Killed because I showed my face and voted: Abstain.

Kagemusha

04-30-2009, 04:27

TinCow

04-30-2009, 04:31

Just a minor point, but maybe a subtle hint about Origins of Tincow. Kai and Shinano provinces from where majority of Takeda´s men originated were both landlocked. So if Tincow´s character came from a sea shore province. He had been raised somewhere else.

The more you try to convince yourselves that you've done the right thing by lynching me, the farther you find yourselves down the wrong path.

Just as a clarification : I used a Japanese name generator and put in random things like "corned beef", "cornflakes", "banana", etc etc.

I don't have any idea if the names I came up with are male, female or whatnot. I don't speak Japanese :shrug:

Sasaki Kojiro

04-30-2009, 04:43

That quote has nothing to do with what Kage said. Nevertheless, Iga and Koga aren't seashore provinces either. Andres has said he doesn't reveal guilt--I don't see too much point in speculation.

Instead, we can talk about Ichigo.

TinCow

04-30-2009, 12:20

That quote has nothing to do with what Kage said.

Apologies, I hit the wrong quote button. I meant to reply to Gregoshi's post about the names.

Kagemusha

04-30-2009, 12:21

What is there to talk about Ichigo? EDIT: Also Iga and Koga were the most famous places of their shinobi, but every clan had samurai performing tasks of stealth. Maybe Tincow was from Echigo. The province has large amount of sea shore.

Gregoshi

04-30-2009, 13:32

Apologies, I hit the wrong quote button. I meant to reply to Gregoshi's post about the names.
Leave me alone TC - that name discussion is all I've got to contribute. :laugh4: I'd much rather waste my time on something concrete ("concrete" being a relative term) than the WIFOM line of thinking. If WIFOM is the only investigational approach that works in this game, I'll just drink my poison now, thank you very much. :skull:

Gregoshi

04-30-2009, 18:55

I smell death in the air as the hour approaches...<sniffs air> Oh, that's just me. :embarassed:

Kagemusha

04-30-2009, 20:31

I wonder if im about to die for the second time in mafia game. I hope curse will then deal with the mafia.:bow:

GeneralHankerchief

04-30-2009, 20:40

A thousand pardons, RL and other .Org duties are taking up most of my time at the moment.

Gregoshi

05-01-2009, 02:42

The sun was about to rise, but suddenly thought better of it and went back to bed...I missed the note about the extented night phase.

Beskar

05-01-2009, 09:24

Andre will now make his big announcement within 30 minutes.

Prince Cobra

05-01-2009, 09:37

Andre will now make his big announcement within 30 minutes.

How do you know? :inquisitive:

OOC: I might be busy with RL for about three days (probably less).

Beskar

05-01-2009, 09:47

How do you know? :inquisitive:

OOC: I might be busy with RL for about three days (probably less).

He said the night phase finishes at 10am... it is 9:47am. I checked my clock, magic. :smash:

Haudegen

05-01-2009, 09:50

He said the night phase finishes at 10am... it is 9:47am. I checked my clock, magic. :smash:

Actually he said 10 am (GMT+1), and it is 10:49 now :yes:

Beskar

05-01-2009, 09:54

Clocks have gone forward, so Britain is currently in the GMT+1 timezone.

I hate this clock shifting.

Haudegen

05-01-2009, 10:00

Oops, you´re right.

Continental Europe (my timezone) has GMT +2 at the moment. :creep:

Andres

05-01-2009, 10:19

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~

Night 6 - Conclusion.

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/blackkatana.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Miyamoto Musashi (Husar) was standing guard at the front door of his masters’ room. 6 nights of guard duty had taken the best of the swordmaster. If it weren’t for the pain in his shoulder, he would probably fall asleep.

Miyamoto grinned uneasily. He should thank the scumbag who had wounded him, since he saved him from the shame of being found sleeping on guard duty.

Nature called and Miyamoto stood up. This moment was exactly what the man hiding in the shadows was waiting for. He sneaked up on Miyamoto and planted his wakizashi in his back. Miyamoto looked down and saw the point of the sharp sword sticking out of his chest.

“For a samurai, there’s no greater honor than to die in the service of his master,” were his last thoughts, before he died and dropped on the floor.

The killer nodded respectfully towards his famous victim and left the scene unnoticed.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/shuriken.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Oota Taiki (Death is yonder) was standing guard at the outside gate. He had been given the questionable honour of being responsible for any outside attacks.

Oota knew for sure nobody was watching him so he could freely shake his head and curse at the stupidity of the idiot who had given him the order to stand guard outside the yashiki.

The mountain passes were blocked with snow and all killers were inside. He sighed. What could he do about it? He was just a young samurai who had to obey orders. Would he become as big an idiot as the veteran samurai once he grew older, he wondered. He sighed.

The wind started to blow again, dampening the sounds of the shady figure behind him.

Oota would never become an idiot, a poisoned shuriken in his neck ended his life in seconds...

~~~
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/ninja.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Fujiwara Taiki (Haudegen) quickly went inside after sunset. The events of the last days and nights had exhausted the young samurai and he decided to go to bed early. He took off his soaked through kimono and hung it on a laundry pole, to dry it out overnight.

He decided to skip the regular bath and simply washed his hands and face with ice cold water. Afterwards he went immediately to sleep.

While he was dreaming of better days, a shadow sneaked its’ way into his room, in his hands Fujiwara’s kimono and the laundry pole. With a sickening “thwack” sound, the thick pole came down on Fujiwara’s neck. The killer then jumped on top of his victim and, using all his mass, he drove the staked end of the pole straight through Fujiwara’s eyeball and out the other side of his skull. The killer then hung the kimono, soaked through with blood, back on the laundry pole and left the room.

~~~

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/shinobi.jpg

Hour of the Ox

Saruwatari Kenta (Captain Blackadder) came back to his room. He calmly put down his swords and grabbed a piece of cloth.

With experienced hands, he started cleaning his short sword. As a samurai who had seen quite a few battles, he knew that you had to take care of your weapons and armor, no matter what the circumstances were. Not only was it a matter of honor and avoiding the shame, it could also well mean the difference between life and death in combat.

Ironically, due to being busy cleaning, he didn’t notice the man entering his room. Two strong, dark gloved hands grabbed the head of Saruwatari and with tremendous force, twisted it into an unnatural direction, breaking his neck and ending his life instantly.

The man quickly left the room unnoticed.

~~~

Day 6 - Things started to look grim

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/MountainsofKai.jpg

Hour of the Rabbit

The Tiger felt clean after his hot bath. He put on a freshly washed kimono and started to eat breakfeast. From the sounds on the courtyard, he understood that this nightmare wasn’t over yet. Within the privacy of his room, he sighed. Of course, he would never show his true feelings to his mean, but here, he could, for a brief moment, feel the weight of being the leader of one of Japan’s mightiest clan.

The samurai on the courtyard were silent and bowed deeply when Lord Takeda came outside. Cold as ice and with no expression on his face, Lord Takeda mounted the platform.

He looked at the familiar sight of dead bodies in the morning, picked up the scroll next to him, paused for a brief moment and then nodded towards Iino Miki (Beefy187) and Omura Sumitada (GeneralHankerchief). Both men stepped forward and bowed for their Lord. A senior officer nodded to both men. “No armor, no hidden weapons, just katana and wakizashi.” Both samurai bowed to the officer. They looked at each other and the attentive observant would see that these two men held no love for each other. Indeed, they had been at each other’s throats for days now, throwing challenge after challenge at each other and everybody knew Lord Takeda had made a wise decision by letting them battling it out.

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/duel.jpg

Iino Miki wanted to end this soon. He didn’t like Omura, he didn’t like him at all and finally he could use steel to tell that idiot how he felt about him. He ran forwards, unsheeting his katana and aimed for the neck of his opponent. Omura stepped aside, blocked the attack and kicked his opponent in the groin. Iino was out of balance and the pain made him crumble. Omura swung his katana at his opponent, who was out of balance. Somehow Iino blocked the blow and stepped backwards. The pain and the bickering that had been going on for days, brought him in a fury and screaming profanities at his opponent, he attacked again. Omura ducked away and his katana pierced through Iino’s belly.

Iino stared in disbelief at his deadly wound. Omura stared at his victim, rage and hatred for this man clearly visible on his face. He waited until Iino started to moan, thus losing honor and shaming himself, before he beheaded him.

Lord Takeda nodded respectfully to the victorious warrior.

~~~

Alive (30):

Quintus.JC
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Sasaki Kojiro
Stephen Assen
Peasant Phill
Kukrikhan
Gobbledygook
Psychonaut
taka
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Beskar
atheotes
Kagemusha
CountArach
Tristan de Castelreng
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
Banquo's Ghost
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
glyphz
Dutch_guy
Yaropolk

Killed (21):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder

Fallen in battle (5):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187

Lynched (5):
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow

WoG/Suicide (3):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver

~~~

It's now day, you can start voting. Due to RL, it'll be an extended day phase which will last until Saturday, the 2nd of May, 10.00 pm (GMT+1), which is +/- 35 hours from this post.

:bow:

EDIT: sorry for the delay guys; it's splendid weather outside and didn't notice I had been sitting at the breakfeast table, enjoying the sun, for more than an hour. Life is beautiful :sunny:

Death is yonder

05-01-2009, 10:32

At least I didn't die a idiot :2thumbsup:

Prince Cobra

05-01-2009, 10:41

This starts to get on my nerves.

Vote: Beskar

Death is yonder

05-01-2009, 10:59

I just realized... we lost a swordsmaster. Husar is dead :skull:

Beskar

05-01-2009, 11:01

They went for Husar again, that is a surprise. Must have been that injury. Still, the kills aren't really ringing any bells.

Have we actually even touched a traitor or a ninja yet?

Also, no offence Stephen Asen, if I was actually a mafia-role, I would have gone for you a while ago. :p

Death is yonder

05-01-2009, 11:04

Well I'm kinda happy I died, was contemplating WoG due to imminent exams. A mercy killing :sweatdrop:
Good luck to the remaining townies, this game was fun while it lasted, great write ups Andres :bow:

Prince Cobra

05-01-2009, 11:11

Beskar

05-01-2009, 11:23

Not if you are a ninja, dear Beskar, not in this scenario. It would have been equal to suicide.

Why so? Because some one could obviously pretend to be me and kill you, then again, that is the whole WIFOM scenario.

Haudegen

05-01-2009, 11:28

Beskar

05-01-2009, 11:33

"Omura stared at his victim, rage and hatred for this man clearly visible on his face. He waited until Iino started to moan, thus losing honor and shaming himself, before he beheaded him."

Along with your statement, that could be the case, Haudegen.

FOS: GeneralHankerchief

TinCow

05-01-2009, 11:59

I am shamed; I am not even worthy of a kill drop to frame. :shame:

I agree, GH's actions in the duel do not look right.

Husar

05-01-2009, 12:11

I absolutely think you guys should lynch GH now, he didn't seem to have any problems killing beefy and I found it a bit weird that he waited for his victim to lose his honour, only a cruel sadistic person would do that, someone like Sigurd* or a traitor/ninja/serialkiller.

*~;)

Beefy187

05-01-2009, 12:12

:bow: Long live Shingen

KukriKhan

05-01-2009, 12:36

Hmm, looks like i´m dead. I guess i have to live with that :sweatdrop:

A shame that we lost Husar. If YLC was a swordsmaster too, we have only one left. It doesn´t look too good for the town.

One thing i noticed in the write-up:

The winner of this day´s duel (GH) did not bow respectfully to Lord Takeda after the fight. That´s clearly different from all the other duel descriptions we´ve had so far.

Might be a hidden clue. Who knows ... ?

Good observation, Haudegen. That DOES smell of "traitor".

FOS: General Hankerchief.

Sixteen hours ago, he (GH) "explained" thus:

A thousand pardons, RL and other .Org duties are taking up most of my time at the moment.

I wonder who else he killed overnight?

Beskar

05-01-2009, 12:52

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

His Duel result says it all.

AggonyDuck

05-01-2009, 12:55

What I find very strange is that, if we have some sort of guardian among us, who stopped the attack against Sasaki, why did he not protect Husar after it became apparent that he was a known swordmaster. So either we have an incompetent guardian or Sasaki's protection is a bit different than what we assumed.

Yaropolk

05-01-2009, 13:00

First of all lets stop posting guards outside the camp by themselves in the dark in the middle of the mountain! :no:

I will still have to vote: Rhyhelwyr. CA put him on the short list of people 2 rounds ago that didn't submit their score. Rhy claimed he did in fact submit his score, but CA never confirmed that. Suspicion doesn't get wiped off just because you survived a round.

Strong FOS GeneralHandkerchief right behind him though for the duel results.

KukriKhan

05-01-2009, 13:13

For the record: on Night 2, Glenn also did not bow to the Master after the duel Post 481, n2 writeup (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2217060&postcount=481).

Fujimoto (Glenn) picked up his katana and quickly decapacitated his opponent.

The duel was over.

Shingen nodded respectfully to Fujimoto.

"Now that this has been settled, we'll go through the proceedings again."

All the other duel write-ups have the victor bowing to Shingen.

TinCow

05-01-2009, 13:28

AggonyDuck

05-01-2009, 13:34

Well can swordmasters protect someone other than Shingen?

Gregoshi

05-01-2009, 13:35

Good observations. I agree with Stephen - this is getting on my nerves too.

FactionHeir

05-01-2009, 13:36

Interesting observations.

I think part of the reason the protector did not protect might have been that Husar seemed to have a survival chance and mafia normally don't attack the same target twice in a row.... They could have gone for Sasaki again afterall.

Re GH, I hadn't noticed that and it certainly seems incriminating with his general lack of posting. Though it could be related to the "hatred" mentioned in the writeup, he seems a good a lynch as any other (like Tristan or Rhyfelwyr) at the moment.

Husar

05-01-2009, 14:41

The way I see it someone attacked me and the next night the ninjas decided to finish me off just for the sake of finishing me off.

Or maybe they just hate me or thought I could still be useful for whoever despite the fact that my injury would have lasted for the rest of the game anyway. :shrug:

LittleGrizzly

05-01-2009, 15:24

Im guessing with husar they saw he was weakened and figured they best finish him off incase he can recover, that combined with the fact he seemed to have a somewhat important role probably is the reason they chose him...

That is intresting that neither Glenn nor GH bowed, surely a traitor or ninja would be doubly sure to show respect... or perhaps a slight clue... something to keep in mind...

Sasaki Kojiro

05-01-2009, 15:26

It seems to obvious a clue for andres to give away.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-01-2009, 15:56

Vote:Seamus

Challenge:AggonyDuck

Yoyoma1910

05-01-2009, 15:57

Yes, but perhaps it is not the General who had no honor. The man Glenn killed was named Watanabe. Though we have seen another wannabe die in the night, behold this letter:

Dear Nakayima,
Dear Watanabe,

Many years have passed since my ungrateful son has taken control over the Takeda clan.

Revenge is a dish best served cold, they say.

Messengers brought me alarming reports about our clan. My foolish son is drawing heavily on our resources and it seems like he will eventually lose the war against the Uesugi.

You must take action, before it's too late! My son is unaware about your true loyalty.

Bring me the head of the usurper, Takeda Shingen! Once he has been taken care of, I will take control over the Takeda clan and I will appoint the misguided Nobushige as my heir!

Keigu,

武田信虎.

And here is the write up which contains two of the same name as the letter:

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Hour of the Ox

Watanabe Yumi (Olavi) entered his room. He was tired and in dire need of some sleep. He quickly undressed himself, placed his katana and his wakizashi in a corner of the room and went to bed.

As soon as his head touched the cushion, he slept.

He didn’t notice the figure entering his room. Two strong, dark gloved hands grabbed Watanabe’s throat and broke his larynx. The knife piercing through his right eye, into his brains ended the job very quick.

The dark shade left the room unnoticed.

~~~
Day 2 - Bloodshed.
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Hour of the Rabbit

The previous night had been very pleasant for Takeda Shingen. While he was eating his breakfeast, he was enjoying the beautiful scenery.

He heard some noises on the courtyard and decided to take a look.

The Tiger came outside and walked to his platform. He looked at the four woodpiles and noticed the 4 sheets covering what seemed to be dead bodies. The Tiger sighed.

"It seems like this isn't over yet." He paused for a while and then picked up a scroll one of the samurai had put next to him. He took a careful look and then watched Fujimoto Yunishiro (Glenn) and Watanabe Yunishiro (Northnovas).

"Let the Yunishiro nephews begin," Takeda said, softly.

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One of the samurai officers bowed to both men.

"No armor, no hidden weapons, just katana and wakizashi."

Both samurai nodded and took their places.

Fujimoto quickly unsheeted his katana and stormed forwards. The younger Watanabe didn't expect this ferocious attack, but his quick reflexes saved him from what would have been a fatal blow.

Fujimoto however was out of balance now and Watanabe managed to take a stab at him. He ruined Fujimoto's kimono but, surprisingly, didn't hurt his opponent.

Fujimoto made a move to the left and then suddenly swung his katana to Watanabe's left side. He deflected the blow with his katana and came in with an incredibly quick riposte. Fujimoto parried but lost his katana in the proces.

Watanabe grinned. Without his katana, his opponent was at a huge disadvantage. He stormed forwards, but in his enthusiasm, he stumbled. Fujimoto drew his wakizashi and burried it into Watanabe's leg. The younger samurai groaned. Fujimoto tried to kick his opponent in the stomach, but Watanabe managed to roll away, but without his katana. Fujimoto quickly jumped upon Watanabe and both men struggled for a while, both giving blows and kicks. Then the wrestling stopped. Fujimoto stood up, and he saw Watanabe bleeding to dead, looking at his own wakizashi that somehow got planted in his chest. Fujimoto picked up his katana and quickly decapacitated his opponent.

The duel was over.

Shingen nodded respectfully to Fujimoto.

"Now that this has been settled, we'll go through the proceedings again."

~~~

The first Watanabe is a victim of who is likely a traitor, the second however died in battle. Perhaps this man was one of the traitors. But then, I do not know that the General was wise to force dishonor on his opponent. Perhaps both me had drives that stand outside of those of this house.

Vote:General Hankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

05-01-2009, 16:01

Whuh-oh, this looks like two games in a row where Andres's write-up puts me in trouble. I have no defense, all I can say is that CA knows my rating, probably knows Beefy's, and can make his own decision on the matter. :bow:

AggonyDuck

05-01-2009, 16:25

Vote:Seamus

Challenge:AggonyDuck

Why do you challenge me? What reason do you have for the challenge? I am innocent as I've told you guys several times, so I do not see what purpose my death would serve except thin out our ranks. I was in the belief that you were protected that night due to the fact that you were the real Shingen, while Count Arach was merely a kagemusha, but now you've pretty much shattered that theory with your challenge. I do not think that you were protected by the action of a pro-townie killblocker, so that leaves one option for me. I believe you're the ninja master, immune to night kills as long as your lackies are still around and it was one of them that protected you.

Vote: Sasaki

Dutch_guy

05-01-2009, 17:07

I believe you're the ninja master, immune to night kills as long as your lackies are still around and it was one of them that protected you.

Vote: Sasaki

That's an interesting theory, but would that not have resulted in one less kill that night ?

All the other duel write-ups have the victor bowing to Shingen.

I'd say this is as good a 'case' as any and definately the best we have this round, and further more I fail to see how the ratings would help your case - GH ?

For now, Vote:GeneralHankerchief

:balloon2:

atheotes

05-01-2009, 17:11

Why do you challenge me? What reason do you have for the challenge? I am innocent as I've told you guys several times, so I do not see what purpose my death would serve except thin out our ranks. I was in the belief that you were protected that night due to the fact that you were the real Shingen, while Count Arach was merely a kagemusha, but now you've pretty much shattered that theory with your challenge. I do not think that you were protected by the action of a pro-townie killblocker, so that leaves one option for me. I believe you're the ninja master, immune to night kills as long as your lackies are still around and it was one of them that protected you.

Vote: Sasaki

Aggony, CountArach confirmed that the protection on Sasaki was a pro-town action in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224840#post2224840)...
Not saying it absolves Sasaki of suspicion though....:juggle2:

AggonyDuck

05-01-2009, 17:37

Aggony, CountArach confirmed that the protection on Sasaki was a pro-town action in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224840#post2224840)...
Not saying it absolves Sasaki of suspicion though....:juggle2:

Aaaah, I forgot about that. Anyway my vote stays the same, as this is the second time Sasaki challenges me and that seriously needs to stop. He knows my battle rating and how I reacted to his last challenge, so why does he challenge me again? It makes no sense.

AggonyDuck

05-01-2009, 17:39

By the way CA, why wasn't Husar protected last night? It was obvious that he was going to be a target, so why did our protector waste an opportunity to deny a kill for the ninjas?

Sasaki Kojiro

05-01-2009, 17:39

It's personal ~D

AggonyDuck

05-01-2009, 17:50

It's personal ~D

I bet, especially when you're aware that I'm no match for you in a duel. :wall:

GeneralHankerchief

05-01-2009, 18:00

I have no explanation as for why I didn't bow. I'm as in the dark as you guys are.

Sasaki Kojiro

05-01-2009, 18:02

I bet, especially when you're aware that I'm no match for you in a duel. :wall:

You claimed two different scores.

AggonyDuck

05-01-2009, 18:07

Both you and CA know my real one.

Yoyoma1910

05-01-2009, 18:10

I have no explanation as for why I didn't bow. I'm as in the dark as you guys are.

Well, I've stated my theory.

Gregoshi

05-01-2009, 18:25

AggonyDuck and Sasaki should decide the game as they appear to be the only ones who know what's going on. The rest of us mushrooms can sit here in the dark and get fertilized. :laugh4:

AggonyDuck

05-01-2009, 18:32

AggonyDuck and Sasaki should decide the game as they appear to be the only ones who know what's going on. The rest of us mushrooms can sit here in the dark and get fertilized. :laugh4:

The only thing I know is that Sasaki wants me dead for some strange reason. The rest is just crazy theories that don't really work. That said having a kagemusha for Shingen would had been a rather cool and unique twist for the game.

GeneralHankerchief

05-01-2009, 18:39

Well, I've stated my theory.

If I'm a traitor, then Andres has some explaining to do considering what he told me in my PM. :shrug:

Prince Cobra

05-01-2009, 18:47

He is not a traitor because the name does not fit. A Ninja will of course bow to Takeda Shingen. I don't think he shall die this day. I do not think he shall be executed this day.

Paradox

05-01-2009, 19:18

Sorry everybody, I've been having problems with my internet connection.

He is not a traitor because the name does not fit. A Ninja will of course bow to Takeda Shingen. I don't think he shall die this day. I do not think he shall be executed this day.
I agree with this.

I will vote after re-reading a few recent pages.

Yoyoma1910

05-01-2009, 19:28

This is true. Though I have thought you suspicious in the past, I shall look elsewhere for villainy today.

Unvote:GH

vote:AggonyDuck

Challenge Yaropolk

Quintus.JC

05-01-2009, 20:05

By the way CA, why wasn't Husar protected last night? It was obvious that he was going to be a target, so why did our protector waste an opportunity to deny a kill for the ninjas?

Perhaps we need to contemplate the fact that we might not have any protectors left, both the Geishas were killed off early on, so that would explain why nobody protected Husar. However this could contradict how Sasaki was protected, maybe the protector was killed between when Sasaki was attacked and when Husar was badly injured? Right now we only have CA's words that Sasaki was defended by a protown power, and I sure hope he's got this one right.

CA, is the protector still alive at this point?

As regarding to GH, I think the clue left by Andres would be too obvious for town to find, maybe GH is just a naturally angry samurai. Andres inprovised when the Pevers were killed, and he might of done this one because GH and Beefy had been challenging each other for days with this fight when they were finally met - "They looked at each other and the attentive observant would see that these two men held no love for each other. Indeed, they had been at each other’s throats for days now, throwing challenge after challenge at each other and everybody knew Lord Takeda had made a wise decision by letting them battling it out." As I think there's no way that a ninja would do this to lose his identity, so GH is either a traitor who does not acknowledge Shingen as his lord, or just a rather grumpy samurai, and I think its the latter.