Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I won't be around for this next day phase.

Seamus should be looked at carefully, but there are many others who need attention as well (rhyfelwyr, chimpyang, dutch guy) so don't be too focused.

[Gregoshi]

Cheer up Sasaki! You know what they say... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo) :laugh4:

[ULC]

Cheer up Sasaki! You know what they say... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo) :laugh4:

Thanks Gregoshi, that was needed :laugh4:

[Beskar]

I think Sasaki confused people more, Ninja and Townies, rather than trying to rally the townies which BG at least seemed to have done to some degree.

But that is just me. I feel like some one wrapped up the game in a dirty newspaper, played basketball with it, made it sniff glue, then took it out binge-drinking and the game woke up with a suspicious body next to the in the bed which it is tied to with duct tape.

Then there are others which forgot to reattach their heads after the Mafia-roles killed them, jumping in the game and trying to get townies to kill each other for a laugh. (Don't worry Greg, nothing to do with you)

Then our samurai master being elusive as a silent fart and thus makes the game far more deadly.

[Gregoshi]

Then our samurai master being elusive as a silent fart and thus makes the game far more deadly.
An SBD...'tis a foul picture you paint Beskar. :skull:

Hurry up dawn.

[Andres]

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~





Night 8 - Conclusion



https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/ninja.jpg

Hour of the Boar

Kato Danzo was meditating on his bamboo mat. He could sit on it for hours contemplating the meaning of power. Real power. Ultimate power. The power of life and death. Occasionally, he took a nibble from the bowl of rice in front of him.


A masked warrior entered his tent and fell prone on the floor.

“Sensei,” the warrior uttered, “the hour has come near. We seek your guidance.”

Kato paused for a second and replied, “A wise man once said, strength is not found in skill in battle, it is found in wisdom...”

He reached into the folds of his kimono, and pulled out a handful of dust. With a wave of his hand, he sprinkled it over the rice bowl and pushed the bowl towards his student. The student quickly snatched the bowl of rice, bowed, and began to retreat from the tent.

Kato held up his hand and said “I have one more gift for you, an old curio from Tanegashima…”

He reached into his black chest and pulled out a long object wrapped in cloth.


~~~


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/katanavuur.jpg


Hour of the Rat

Yamamoto Kansuke (Gobledeygook) was standing guard at the campfire outside his master’s tent. Despite the injury he was determined to defend Takeda to his last breath. He had been in his service for many years, following him into battle after battle. He felt regret and deep sorrow; the dead of his two fellow swordmaster was a huge blow, not just for the Takeda clan, but for him, personally. Through the years, they had become close friends, brothers. He would get his revenge. His facial expression became grim and determined.


As he was reflecting on the past days, something drew his attention. He thought he caught a glimpse of something moving on the other side of the fire. He peered intently through the flames.


He didn’t notice the hand holding a log coming down from the darkness and cracking his skull. Yamamoto slumped to the ground. The killer smashed his face with the log four times, grabbed him by the foot and dragged his dead body into the flames.


~~~


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/shinobi.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Lord Takeda (CountArach) retreated to his room for some much needed rest. The last few weeks’ events had been stressful on him. Creature comforts like supper, a clean shave, and a good night’s sleep kept him from losing his mind. He called out to his attendant, asking for his supper and a cauldron of hot water.

The servant walked in with his head bowed and covered in a hood. No lowly servant dared to gaze directly into the face of this great daimyo. He wheeled in a cauldron of hot water, silently left the tent and returned with a silver platter with Lord Takeda’s supper.

The mighty Lord scarfed down the food in front of him and turned his attention to the cauldron behind him. Suddenly, the ground gave way under his feet. The peak of the tent looked like it was as tall as a mountain. He stumbled and caught his grip on the cauldron.

A pair of strong hands grabbed his neck from behind and forced his head underwater. Takeda Nobushige twitched for about a minute, and then entered eternal slumber.


~~~



Hour of the Tiger

The samurai known as Hamano Michiyo (Sasaki Kojiro) had a late night. He was getting ready for bed when he heard commotion outside his room.
Still wearing his armor and daisho, he charged outside and saw that the samurai who was supposed to be standing guard was missing.


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/samurai-geweren.jpg

Suddenly two explosions rang out from the darkness to his right. Splinters flew from his armor, and his chest felt like it was on fire. With pure determination and despite his injuries, he drew his Wakizashi and leapt on the man closest to him. The only way this brave man would die, would be in battle! In the clash both men lost their weapons. They rolled in the dirt twice, but the older samurai's experience won out. He managed to pin his assassin under him. With one hand he reached for his tanto, and with the other, pulled off the man’s mask. He was taken aback! He couldn’t believe this loyal samurai was actually an assassin sent to kill him. Still flabbergasted, he opened his mouth to scream the killer’s name. At that moment a second attacker swung his katana, and separated the victim’s head from his body. The assassin reached a hand to his accomplice and they disappeared into the darkness, taking with them the head of their victim.


Awakened by the shots of the arquebus and the ensuing tussle, the whole camp of sleepy samurai poured outside to investigate. When the crowd gathered in front of Lord Takeda’s room, a horrible
site befell them. Their master’s body lay dead on the ground, next to the body of his bodyguard. They also saw the beheaded body of one of their fellow samurai, still grasping a tanto in his hand. Who was he? They stood in a circle unsure of what to do next. Suspicious eyes darted around the
crowd. Who did this? Was it the man on my right, or him, or him, or him?

Before they knew it, it was dawn.



~~~


Day 8 - Disaster?


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/Kofu.jpg



Hour of the Rabbit

One of the samurai standing on the courtyard mounted the platform. “It looks like our Lord died last night.” He picked up the scroll that was already placed there, ready for the usual proceedings.


“Our Lord has decided that the following duel should take place…” the samurai paused and looked surprised. He then looked up and nodded towards Shinohara Yuuko (Yaropolk) and Fujimoto Kazunari (atheotes). Both men stepped forward. The samurai standing on the platform opened his mouth to continue.


“Yeah, yeah, no armor, no hidden weapons, just katana and wakizashi. We know the drill,” Shinohara interrupted.

The samurai on the platform started shaking his head. “No,” he said, “our master has ordered both Shinohara Yuuko and Fujimoto Kazunari to commit seppuku without further hesitation.”

“What?” Fujimoto exclaimed. “This can’t be true! Let us see that scroll!” Both duelists mounted the platform and watched the scroll. Several others did the same.

“It’s true! Why would our master have taken such a decision?”

The samurai who got on the platform first shrugged. “We need to obey our master.”

“Now that he’s dead, shouldn’t we all commit seppuku?” another samurai asked.

“No,” the first one answered. “His son, Takeda Katsuyori, his now his heir. The young boy needs us. We need to dispose of the remaining ninja and return to our new lord as soon as possible.” He looked towards Shinohara Yuuko and Fujimoto Kazunari and continued: “Both of you, carry out our Lord’s last orders.”

Both samurai seemed to hesitate, but several others unsheated their swords, making it clear that, if they wouldn’t take their lives honorably, their comrades would kill them.



~~~


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/seppuku.jpg


Shinohara and Fujimoto sat down and unsheated their wakizashi. Two samurai took positions behind them.

Both men opened the belt of their kimono’s. They knew that there was no time for a death poem or some dreaming; both felt the sense of urgency in the air. Almost simulteanously, they pierced their sharp short swords into their belly. The kaishakunin standing behind them ended their suffering very quick.

After the bodies were quickly put on burning woodpiles, the samurai started to gather, trying to find the killers of their Lord.


~~~

Alive (16):

GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Stephen Assen
Rhyfelwyr
Beskar
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
Dutch_guy



Killed (27):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan
Sasaki Kojiro
CountArach

Gobbledygook


Fallen in battle (8):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck

Yaropolk
atheotes


Lynched (7):
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill


WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng
Psychonaut
taka

~~~


It's now day. You can start voting. Day will last 24 hours, that's until 22.30 (GMT+1)






:bow:

[Gregoshi]

Wow. Interesting.


Takeda Nobutora took his pencil and started to write:



Quote:


Dear Nakayima,
Dear Watanabe,


Many years have passed since my ungrateful son has taken control over the Takeda clan.

...Bring me the head of the usurper, Takeda Shingen! Once he has been taken care of, I will take control over the Takeda clan and I will appoint the misguided Nobushige as my heir!

Keigu,


武田信虎.
Not anymore... Now that is a surprising twist.

[Yaropolk]

Wow. Interesting.


Not anymore... Now that is a surprising twist.

Wow good catch Gregoshi...i guess traitors really work for CA, and he was a counter-town role?

:bow from heaven to everyone else.

[TinCow]

Disaster indeed. It looks like we have lost all the pro-town roles and have at least 2 ninjas left including the master, probably more, though the traitors appear to be dead.

I recommend a focus on FactionHeir. On review, his posts seem to fit the pattern of being helpful, but not in any way that produces any results. He walks a very fine line doesn't push too heavily against any single person. He generally avoids making his own accusations and instead makes innocuous observations about the write-ups. When he does vote, his language isn't very inflammatory and he often plays the devil's advocate, which is an easy role for a mafioso and likely to win him friends. In addition, he made this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2228674&postcount=1639) about BG shortly after the reveal, which strikes me as a possible attempt to lay some groundwork in case a future lynching of BG was necessary.

[Beskar]

Not to be funny, but could some one actually tell me what is going on now?

All I know is, the following alive people are innocent.

Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen

[TinCow]

Not to be funny, but could some one actually tell me what is going on now?

All I know is, the following alive people are innocent.

Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen

Correction, all you know is that the people on that list are almost certainly not regular ninjas. I think it's entirely possible that one of them could be the Ninja Master. The Ninja Master appears to be similar in nature to a Godfather role, and those commonly come up innocent on detective results.

Nice attempt at emphasizing your own innocence though.
FOS: Beskar

[Gregoshi]

Also note that there were four attackers - two on Sasaki. Does this mean a traitor is still alive?

Even death has not released me from the shame and dishonour at failing my Lord Shingen. :shame:

[Quintus.JC]

Wow. Interesting.

Not anymore... Now that is a surprising twist.

CA wasn't protown all along, he actually had other agenda...

[Gregoshi]

CA wasn't protown all along, he actually had other agenda...
Are we sure?

From his father's letter, it sounded like Nobushige was a fool to be manipulated. Maybe part of the traitors' goals was to protect CA, like we were to protect Sasaki.

I figured as the game went on the picture would get clearer. Silly me. :laugh4:

[Quintus.JC]

Are we sure?

From his father's letter, it sounded like Nobushige was a fool to be manipulated. Maybe part of the traitors' goals was to protect CA, like we were to protect Sasaki.



Hmm... possibly so. But the wiki description of Nobushige made him sound like an astute man, then again Andres doesn't have to follow and obey every aspect of history in this game.

[Quintus.JC]

Wait, wait a minute. Does Sasaki even knew who CA was?

From Sasaki's reveal:


Originally Posted by Andres
Sasaki Kojiro

Takeda Shingen – The Tiger of Kai

Konishiwa, Shingen-sama,


You are the REAL Takeda Shingen. The man leading the samurai during the day is one of your top generals, Tada Mitsuyori (CountArach), who serves as your Kagemusha.

To the public, your identity will remain hidden and you will pretend like you are one of the veteran samurai.



This is a bit strange. :inquisitive:

[TinCow]

Not really. Sasaki's reveal was clearly fake and was an attempt to pull an attack away from CA. It failed, but was a valiant effort.

[atheotes]

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~





Night 8 - Conclusion



https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/ninja.jpg

Hour of the Boar

Kato Danzo was meditating on his bamboo mat. He could sit on it for hours contemplating the meaning of power. Real power. Ultimate power. The power of life and death. Occasionally, he took a nibble from the bowl of rice in front of him.


A masked warrior entered his tent and fell prone on the floor.

“Sensei,” the warrior uttered, “the hour has come near. We seek your guidance.”

Kato paused for a second and replied, “A wise man once said, strength is not found in skill in battle, it is found in wisdom...”

He reached into the folds of his kimono, and pulled out a handful of dust. With a wave of his hand, he sprinkled it over the rice bowl and pushed the bowl towards his student. The student quickly snatched the bowl of rice, bowed, and began to retreat from the tent.

Kato held up his hand and said “I have one more gift for you, an old curio from Tanegashima…”

He reached into his black chest and pulled out a long object wrapped in cloth.


~~~


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/katanavuur.jpg


Hour of the Rat

Yamamoto Kansuke (Gobledeygook) was standing guard at the campfire outside his master’s tent. Despite the injury he was determined to defend Takeda to his last breath. He had been in his service for many years, following him into battle after battle. He felt regret and deep sorrow; the dead of his two fellow swordmaster was a huge blow, not just for the Takeda clan, but for him, personally. Through the years, they had become close friends, brothers. He would get his revenge. His facial expression became grim and determined.


As he was reflecting on the past days, something drew his attention. He thought he caught a glimpse of something moving on the other side of the fire. He peered intently through the flames.


He didn’t notice the hand holding a log coming down from the darkness and cracking his skull. Yamamoto slumped to the ground. The killer smashed his face with the log four times, grabbed him by the foot and dragged his dead body into the flames.


~~~


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/shinobi.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Lord Takeda (CountArach) retreated to his room for some much needed rest. The last few weeks’ events had been stressful on him. Creature comforts like supper, a clean shave, and a good night’s sleep kept him from losing his mind. He called out to his attendant, asking for his supper and a cauldron of hot water.

The servant walked in with his head bowed and covered in a hood. No lowly servant dared to gaze directly into the face of this great daimyo. He wheeled in a cauldron of hot water, silently left the tent and returned with a silver platter with Lord Takeda’s supper.

The mighty Lord scarfed down the food in front of him and turned his attention to the cauldron behind him. Suddenly, the ground gave way under his feet. The peak of the tent looked like it was as tall as a mountain. He stumbled and caught his grip on the cauldron.

A pair of strong hands grabbed his neck from behind and forced his head underwater. Takeda Nobushige twitched for about a minute, and then entered eternal slumber.


~~~



Hour of the Tiger

The samurai known as Hamano Michiyo (Sasaki Kojiro) had a late night. He was getting ready for bed when he heard commotion outside his room.
Still wearing his armor and daisho, he charged outside and saw that the samurai who was supposed to be standing guard was missing.


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/samurai-geweren.jpg

Suddenly two explosions rang out from the darkness to his right. Splinters flew from his armor, and his chest felt like it was on fire. With pure determination and despite his injuries, he drew his Wakizashi and leapt on the man closest to him. The only way this brave man would die, would be in battle! In the clash both men lost their weapons. They rolled in the dirt twice, but the older samurai's experience won out. He managed to pin his assassin under him. With one hand he reached for his tanto, and with the other, pulled off the man’s mask. He was taken aback! He couldn’t believe this loyal samurai was actually an assassin sent to kill him. Still flabbergasted, he opened his mouth to scream the killer’s name. At that moment a second attacker swung his katana, and separated the victim’s head from his body. The assassin reached a hand to his accomplice and they disappeared into the darkness, taking with them the head of their victim.


Awakened by the shots of the arquebus and the ensuing tussle, the whole camp of sleepy samurai poured outside to investigate. When the crowd gathered in front of Lord Takeda’s room, a horrible
site befell them. Their master’s body lay dead on the ground, next to the body of his bodyguard. They also saw the beheaded body of one of their fellow samurai, still grasping a tanto in his hand. Who was he? They stood in a circle unsure of what to do next. Suspicious eyes darted around the
crowd. Who did this? Was it the man on my right, or him, or him, or him?

Before they knew it, it was dawn.



~~~


Day 8 - Disaster?


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/Kofu.jpg



Hour of the Rabbit

One of the samurai standing on the courtyard mounted the platform. “It looks like our Lord died last night.” He picked up the scroll that was already placed there, ready for the usual proceedings.


“Our Lord has decided that the following duel should take place…” the samurai paused and looked surprised. He then looked up and nodded towards Shinohara Yuuko (Yaropolk) and Fujimoto Kazunari (atheotes). Both men stepped forward. The samurai standing on the platform opened his mouth to continue.


“Yeah, yeah, no armor, no hidden weapons, just katana and wakizashi. We know the drill,” Shinohara interrupted.

The samurai on the platform started shaking his head. “No,” he said, “our master has ordered both Shinohara Yuuko and Fujimoto Kazunari to commit seppuku without further hesitation.”

“What?” Fujimoto exclaimed. “This can’t be true! Let us see that scroll!” Both duelists mounted the platform and watched the scroll. Several others did the same.

“It’s true! Why would our master have taken such a decision?”

The samurai who got on the platform first shrugged. “We need to obey our master.”

“Now that he’s dead, shouldn’t we all commit seppuku?” another samurai asked.

“No,” the first one answered. “His son, Takeda Katsuyori, his now his heir. The young boy needs us. We need to dispose of the remaining ninja and return to our new lord as soon as possible.” He looked towards Shinohara Yuuko and Fujimoto Kazunari and continued: “Both of you, carry out our Lord’s last orders.”

Both samurai seemed to hesitate, but several others unsheated their swords, making it clear that, if they wouldn’t take their lives honorably, their comrades would kill them.



~~~


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/seppuku.jpg


Shinohara and Fujimoto sat down and unsheated their wakizashi. Two samurai took positions behind them.

Both men opened the belt of their kimono’s. They knew that there was no time for a death poem or some dreaming; both felt the sense of urgency in the air. Almost simulteanously, they pierced their sharp short swords into their belly. The kaishakunin standing behind them ended their suffering very quick.

After the bodies were quickly put on burning woodpiles, the samurai started to gather, trying to find the killers of their Lord.


~~~

Alive (16):

GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Stephen Assen
Rhyfelwyr
Beskar
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
Dutch_guy



Killed (27):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan
Sasaki Kojiro
CountArach

Gobbledygook


Fallen in battle (8):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck

Yaropolk
atheotes


Lynched (7):
Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill


WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng
Psychonaut
taka

~~~


It's now day. You can start voting. Day will last 24 hours, that's until 22.30 (GMT+1)






:bow:




What the hell.... i cant believe what just happened....:dizzy2:

excellent work Andres :2thumbsup:

[Quintus.JC]

Not really. Sasaki's reveal was clearly fake and was an attempt to pull an attack away from CA. It failed, but was a valiant effort.

But when CA died, Andres clearly said that it was Takada Nobushinge who was killed.

Edit: Setting Sasaki's reveal aside, CA still isn't Shingen.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Factionheir

Others have suggested that you are too much the "soul of reasonableness" here. What say you?


General Note:

Between computer problems, convention attendance, and a newly purchased copy of Empire, I have been lurking big time of late. I will probably continue to do so, scanning material and tossing off a point or two when I feel I've got something -- but lurking really does work. taka had it right all along (though he missed up in this game).

[atheotes]

Not really. Sasaki's reveal was clearly fake and was an attempt to pull an attack away from CA. It failed, but was a valiant effort.

If Sasaki was not Takeda Shingen... why would he be surprised by the identity of the assasin?
Also he is mentioned as "samurai known as Hamano Michiyo" - so it is not his real name... he could be a traitor...that would align with your line of thinking... but the question remains on why he would be surprised by the identity of the assasin....


to be honest i do think Sasaki's reveal was a fake and the real Shingen is still alive...

[ajaxfetish]

To Sasaki or CountArach:

Whom do you recommend I challenge?

and for now, vote: Seamus

Ajax

[Quintus.JC]

Ignoring Sasaki's identity for a minute, CountArach clearly wasn't the real Shingen.

[Beskar]

Sasaki was a fake, but people seem to ignore the obvious, even when I tell them. I am the Cassandra of Troy.

[Yaropolk]

Rhyfelwyr - sorry I've been trying to lynch you for 3 days due to not sending in rating, nothing personal.

In light of the fact that CA was likely not a pro town role, my FOS Rhyfelwyr still stands. He was the only one who was saved from a duel by a night killing.

[woad&fangs]

vote: Rhyfelwyr
challenge Rhyfelwyr

I think factionheir is another good one to go after today.

[Gregoshi]

I am the Cassandra of Troy.
No you're not. :laugh4:

[shlin28]

I suppose it would be the ultimate twist if the guy we were suppose to protect is in fact the bad guy... seems like the trend in the Gameroom nowadays.

Perhaps that's why he got me lynched for my high duel score? :sweatdrop:

I'm not too sure on the FH thing, he normally is pretty neutral too. Analytical but not so accusative is how I would describe his playstyle.

Quintus' behaviour is off a bit though - too few posts in comparison with other games, I suppose it could be because of exams, but you never know...

I will post more of my thoughts tomorrow.

PS: Just caught up on the thread :shame:

[Gregoshi]

vote: Rhyfelwyr
challenge Rhyfelwyr

I think factionheir is another good one to go after today.
How about we focus challenges on one FoS and lynch another. Since Rhyfelwyr has already been challenged, let's leave that as the sole challenge. His name has been tossed around enough - unless someone comes up with a better target, then we can put up three challenges on an alternate if need arises to increase the odds.

Regardless, we need to focus our efforts and hopefully strike true with them. We are running out of townies.

[FactionHeir]

3 kills tonight, and it seems that the SK as I dubbed him actually seems to be a ninja. 2 ninja, 1 traitor kill means that either QJC was a ninja or we are still being fooled. Going back to the bird imagery and the writeup, I'm slated to think that we actually did get one.

One one thing of note are the muskets. It seems odd that these are suddenly used, and that we suddenly got 2 traitors doing the work at once. Maybe they needed both to combine to kill Sasaki as they failed on the first attempt? This would mean that the other traitor initially was doing something else all along - protecting or investigating.

Second bit of interest is that Beskar got the kills correct. And in the right order. Now, he's been called innocent by BG, but as GH and TC suggest, its possible that the ninja master is immune to investigations. Still, it could be pure coincidence, as that was the rather obvious sequence of kills anyway in retrospect, unlike the pever massacre.
Nevertheless, it seems to strongly hint at some sort of cooperation between these two groups - or maybe the traitors knew that since ninjas have 2 kills, they'll off the bodyguard and CA?

Now as for the accusation towards me, that is more or less my playstyle in default mafia games, and I don't intend on challenging considering that I'll most likely lose anyway, meaning 1 less vote. Also would be rather poor play of me to pull the town away from lynching Seamus only for him to vote me :tongue2:

Suspects...currently I'm tending towards Beskar or Rhyfelwyr. Note that we still have at least 4 scum alive though, of which 2 are traitors. Also, we only have 16 left alive, so 25% of the living are scum.

[TinCow]

3 kills tonight, and it seems that the SK as I dubbed him actually seems to be a ninja. 2 ninja, 1 traitor kill means that either QJC was a ninja or we are still being fooled. Going back to the bird imagery and the writeup, I'm slated to think that we actually did get one.

Why do you think one of the kills was a traitor?

[FactionHeir]

Why else would Sasaki be overly surprised at who his killer was? Besides, he was referred to as the older samurai, meaning by implication that his target was younger and a samurai as well.

[TinCow]

Why else would Sasaki be overly surprised at who his killer was? Besides, he was referred to as the older samurai, meaning by implication that his target was younger and a samurai as well.

How does knowing the killer or age correlate to being a traitor? We know now that the mafia all have cover role PMs, which means they are all masquerading as samurai.

[FactionHeir]

Is this a lawyery inquisition? Where's my legal counsel? :tongue2:

Several things point towards traitors:
Kill was not during Hour of the Rat (though this time it was hour of the Tiger, rather than Rabbit - irony perhaps?)
Traitors are known to be long serving members of the Takeda army, only with secret loyalties, while ninjas are infiltrators and unlikely to be as well known to their comrades.
Traitors are actual samurai.
Ninja already carried out their 2 remaining kills that night.

Care to explain why you think it was not a traitor kill?

[Beskar]

You really thought you got a mafia-role last night? I didn't.

Based on the fact only three remind (two of the ninja got killed) there are three choices to kill, the mafia knew they could take out the body guard, and because all 3 are dead, then Count Arch, and to be on the safe side the last one will obviously be Sasaki.

It was two ninja kills and one traitor kill. Yes, Sasaki was killed by the traitor.

Also, BG really was a pro-town role. For people who keep targeting people on the list need to reattach your heads, especially some of the dead players who keep trying to suggest people go after them.

[TinCow]

Ninja already carried out their 2 remaining kills that night.

Ninjas get 3 kills per night. The way the rules are written, it appears they get 3 kills no matter how many of them are left alive.


Care to explain why you think it was not a traitor kill?

They hit the trio of Gobble, CA, and Sasaki. That is a coordinated attack, just like with saw with the Night of the Pevers. If you think that it's a combo set of kills between ninja and traitors, then you are basically saying that the ninjas and traitors are communicating and working together.

[Beskar]

Innocent:
Beskar
Generalhankerchief
Seamus Fermanagh
Stephen Asen

Possible Mafia:
FactionHeir
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
Dutch_guy

Here, this makes it more simple for you, don't go after any in the innocent list. Now you look at the ones in the other list. From observation, all the cover roles mentioned are veteran samurai. Rhywer as we know, is a veteran samurai, so in all possibilities, he could be one.

Problem is, with the list remaining, the people on the innocent list are the ones getting killed while the other list isn't getting much shorter.

[TinCow]

I need to revise my previous statements about Sasaki. Rereading the night kill, I now believe he was telling the truth. Sasaki's death write-up is intentionally vague about his identity, which is Andres' usual signal that there are clues in the write-up. Sasaki is described as "hear[ing a] commotion outside his room" and "he charged outside and saw that the samurai who was supposed to be standing guard was missing." This appears to be a reference to Gobble's death, in which gobble was noted to be "standing guard at the campfire outside his master’s tent." This would make Sasaki his master, which would also mean Sasaki was Takeda Shingen.

I'm not convinced CA was a traitor. While his name was Nobushige, and that name is mentioned as the traitor's "heir," the intro post letter specifically names the traitors as Nakayima and Watanabe, and the rules say there are only 2 traitors. In addition, the letter says that Nobushige is "misguided" which implies that he is not in agreement with his father.

Thus, it seems likely that Sasaki's reveal was accurate, with a slim chance that CA was somehow related to the traitors, but even if that was so he was not one of the traitor killers himself.

This also explains...


Kill was not during Hour of the Rat (though this time it was hour of the Tiger, rather than Rabbit - irony perhaps?)

Takeda Shingen is repeatedly referred to as the "Tiger of Kai" in the intro post. Sasaki's death during the Hour of the Tiger is a reference to this. It has to do with Sasaki's identity, not the identity of his killers. On this basis, it may be that the different hours we have seen refer to our general roles. I suspect that if we go back, we'll find that one of the commonly used hours corresponds to regular samurai deaths and one corresponds to veteran samurai deaths.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, here are my thoughts:

Right now, the town looks like it's in serious trouble. We could go over the massive list, try to pick off the grunts... and wait as the ninja master silently picks us off one by one. I have my doubts about the usefulness of Banquo's list (not the honesty of Banquo's claim, you understand). I am almost certain that out of the four of us on the "innocent" list, one of us is in fact guilty, possibly even the ninja master.

I say go straight for the source.

Vote: Seamus

Ducky, what does your gut say?

[FactionHeir]

Ninjas get 3 kills per night. The way the rules are written, it appears they get 3 kills no matter how many of them are left alive.

They hit the trio of Gobble, CA, and Sasaki. That is a coordinated attack, just like with saw with the Night of the Pevers. If you think that it's a combo set of kills between ninja and traitors, then you are basically saying that the ninjas and traitors are communicating and working together.

Except that we had 4 kills a night previously and since QJC's early demise we had 3 a night.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Except that we had 4 kills a night previously and since QJC's early demise we had 3 a night.

This proves nothing, unfortunately.

[Gregoshi]

They hit the trio of Gobble, CA, and Sasaki. That is a coordinated attack...
Yes it seems so but I'm still confused because:

1) The traitor's chosen successor was killed last night, which speaks against cooperation.

2) Sasaki was attacked by TWO assassins. The numbers (4 attackers) speaks to cooperation.

Anyone care to speculate on the meaning of the "magic dust" (my term) that the ninja master sprinkled on the food? That was a very odd scene.

Another thought, since Andres appears to incorporate game play into the writeup, could the fact that Sasaki was surprised when he unmasked one of his assailants indicate that it was someone not on his suspect list?

[FactionHeir]

As I said, its possible that it proves nothing (if the mafia decided to go along with sending 1 kill less), but chances are that it is true.

I'm not sure regarding your point that the ninja master shows as innocent still. Yes, I tfound Beskar's statement a bit strange, but his explanation and my own reasoning of it make sense. Also, BG only investigated a few. For all we know, the master can be among the other 12 non investigated 66% of whom (+ a bit if the master is innocent) will also show as innocent.

[woad&fangs]

Can we stop focusing on the ninja master? We're still experiencing 3 deaths per night. I think it is more important to take out the grunts.

Hmm, I didn't realize rhyf already had a challenge on him. I wish I had used my challenge more effectively now...

[TinCow]

Yes it seems so but I'm still confused because:

1) The traitor's chosen successor was killed last night, which speaks against cooperation.

2) Sasaki was attacked by TWO assassins. The numbers (4 attackers) speaks to cooperation.

Anyone care to speculate on the meaning of the "magic dust" (my term) that the ninja master sprinkled on the food? That was a very odd scene.

Another thought, since Andres appears to incorporate game play into the writeup, could the fact that Sasaki was surprised when he unmasked one of his assailants indicate that it was someone not on his suspect list?

Sorry, I added to my post without realizing that others had posted since then. If you check my late edit, you'll see that Sasaki confronted Gobble's killer. That's the first person he meets and fights. The second person that shows up is an independent target on Sasaki. Thus, there are only 3 killers active last night. CA's killer, Sasaki's second man, and Gobble's killer who shows up twice.

[Wishazu]

Well I`m totally lost and confused :dizzy2:

I`m gonna jump on the bandwagon for this one and Vote Seamus

And for a laugh Challenge Beskar He just seems very dodgy...

[FactionHeir]

Yet both CA and Sasaki's deaths refer to them being in their room while Gobble was standing outside a tent. Also, The samurai in the morning found a bodyguard with his master and then another samurai. So that seems to go against your hypothesis TC.

Going back over QJC's posts, he was first unsure about Beskar but as pressure mounted, he called him innocent. I'm wondering if that's of any use. It will definitely be a good idea to re-examine his posts as we know he's mafia to see who we can rule out as mafia.

If I had to pick who I think are most likely mafia of the remaining 16, I'd pick Beskar, woad, Kage and Rhyfelwyr, though I'm also a bit unsure about ajax - same uncertainty as with Beskar.

While I've been jumping on Chimpyang early on, his activity pattern suggests he's innocent.

[Caius]

If GF can appear as a townie, then it is Beskar. He must die, period.
Vote:Beskar
Challenge:Beskar

[TinCow]

Yet both CA and Sasaki's deaths refer to them being in their room while Gobble was standing outside a tent. Also, The samurai in the morning found a bodyguard with his master and then another samurai. So that seems to go against your hypothesis TC.

Sasaki "charged outside and saw that the samurai who was supposed to be standing guard was missing."

You think that's a coincidence? Sasaki going outside of his room and finding a missing guard on the same night that the last guard, who was standing outside his master's tent, is killed?

[AggonyDuck]

I'd recommend that you do not vote for Beskar or Seamus, as both are on the innocent list. Leave the innocents for the ninjas/traitors and concentrate on the unknowns. Also you really need to start pressuring the semi-lurkers like Kage, Rhyf and Caius, who post semi-helpful posts every now and then, but try to remain inconspicuous.

[Gregoshi]

...you'll see that Sasaki confronted Gobble's killer. That's the first person he meets and fights. The second person that shows up is an independent target on Sasaki. Thus, there are only 3 killers active last night. CA's killer, Sasaki's second man, and Gobble's killer who shows up twice.
Look over the description of Sasaki's death:


Suddenly two explosions rang out from the darkness to his right.
Also, the picture in the description shows two gunmen. So I still maintain there were FOUR killers in action.

1) Gobble's killer was very un-ninja-like with a bash over the head with a log and subsequent burning. Seems like a traitor kill.

2) CA's killer was the strangler (in a tent BTW TC). When "ground gave way under his feet", right after CA ate, this must have been some kind of drug which we got a hint of in the master ninja pre-attack scene. That would make this a ninja kill.

3) Sasaki had two killers with guns and he "lept at the man closest him." I don't think the second man was Gobble's killer. This attack accounts for two of the three ninja attacks. As final confirmation, they took Sasaki's head, which was part of the orders to the master ninja in the OP.

For a short time it appeared we got both the traitors. Apparently not.

And we are still issuing challenges willy-nilly without any forethought or discussion. The situation is grim. Really grim.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

There is no verifiable list of "innocents." Too many people doubt its membership, doubt BG, doubt Sasaki, doubt everything. Take them all out. Vote to lynch one and issue challenges to all the remainder. Repeat until all are killed.

Upon their deaths, the validity or non-validity of BG and Sasaki's reveals is then moot and we can get to the end game -- it is only when our numbers are below 15 that we will start to get a lot of dead mafiosi. Until then, we must remove enough of the troubling "innocent" to get the end game in gear.

Challenge: Generalhankerchief

Unvote: Factionheir, Vote: Beskar

[GeneralHankerchief]

Challenge: Seamus Fermanagh

[AggonyDuck]

Seamus, BG's claim has more or less been validated, so I find it to be immensely foolish to try to reduce the amount of confirmed innocents at this point. The traitors and ninjas do not need our help to reduce them. Better concentrate on the unknowns now and once we are in the real end-game re-evaluate the guilt of the remaining "innocents".

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unless we see the PMs, nobody is confirmed.

[AggonyDuck]

For the moment it is better to assume that they are. We have more acute problems to deal with. Add to this the fact that only the Ninja Master should appear innocent, so we only have a 25% chance of getting it right if we start lynching our 'confirmed' innocents. It is better to concentrate on those we know nothing about and later on re-evaluate the situation.

[Gregoshi]

I'm with The Duck. BQ's list is the best info we have to date and yielded a positive result. To ignore it seems foolish. Barring any brilliant detective work, how could things get any worse by following the list?

I don't have time to go back and look, but, apart from the innocent list, who else did Sasaki think was innocent? Sasaki's surprise at the assassin may have been a hint that it was someone he labeled as a good guy.

[TinCow]

Look over the description of Sasaki's death:

Also, the picture in the description shows two gunmen. So I still maintain there were FOUR killers in action.

1) Gobble's killer was very un-ninja-like with a bash over the head with a log and subsequent burning. Seems like a traitor kill.

2) CA's killer was the strangler (in a tent BTW TC). When "ground gave way under his feet", right after CA ate, this must have been some kind of drug which we got a hint of in the master ninja pre-attack scene. That would make this a ninja kill.

3) Sasaki had two killers with guns and he "lept at the man closest him." I don't think the second man was Gobble's killer. This attack accounts for two of the three ninja attacks. As final confirmation, they took Sasaki's head, which was part of the orders to the master ninja in the OP.

For a short time it appeared we got both the traitors. Apparently not.

I'll give up on this one, as I see nothing more useful coming from it. As a final point, I'll note that FactionHeir claims both of Sasaki's killers were traitors and you claim both of them were ninjas. At least we can all agree that Andres' clues remain as quizzical as ever.


And we are still issuing challenges willy-nilly without any forethought or discussion. The situation is grim. Really grim.

I personally do not think the mafia will issue challenges. I would look for our suspects amongst those who have not done so.

[AggonyDuck]

I believe the real battle ratings of the ninjas are around 4-5, making duels pretty much a 50-50 chance gamble. Only the ninja master might have a higher battle rating than your average veteran samurai. At this stage of the game, it is better for anti-town not to challenge and hope that samurai challenges samurai.

[AggonyDuck]

This is the product of this night's hard work:

Voting pattern of the final 16 samurai

White Eyes:D
Beskar
No Vote
YLC
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Seamus

Seamus Fermanagh
Beskar
No Vote
Shlin28
No Vote
No Vote
No Vote
Abstain

Beskar
ATPG
Stephen Asen
Shlin28
TosaInu
Tristan de Castelreng
Quintus.JC
Wishazu

FactionHeir
Chimpyang
Abstain
ajaxfetish
TosaInu
Tristan de Castelreng
No Vote
Peasant Phill

Ichigo
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd
YLC
No Vote
Beskar
Beskar
Peasant Phill

w&f
Faction Heir
Yaropolk
Stephen Asen
No Vote
Beskar
Quintus.JC
Dutch_guy

GeneralHankerchief
Beefy187
Sigurd
Shlin28
Sasaki Kojiro
No Vote
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill

Yoyoma1910
Louis VI the Fat
No Vote
General Hankerchief
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill

ajaxfetish
Abstain
No Vote
shlin28
No Vote
Tin Cow
Quintus.JC
Wishazu

Caius
Abstain
No Vote
Abstain
No Vote
No Vote
No Vote
No Vote

Rhyfelwyr
No Vote
Abstain
LittleGrizzly
TinCow
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Wishazu

Stephen Asen
No Vote
Beskar
Abstain
Beskar
Beskar
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill

Dutch_guy
No Vote
No Vote
shlin28
No Vote
No Vote
Quintus.JC
Wishazu

Wishazu
3rd vote
Haudegen
Rhyfelwyr
Beskar
General Hankerchief
Yaropolk

Kagemusha
3rd vote
shlin28
Seamus Fermanagh
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Seamus Fermanagh


Challenges made by the last 16 samurai
Challenges

Caius (1xBeskar)
General Hankerchief (1xRhyfelwyr, 1xBeefy187 (duel fought and won), 1xBeskar)
Stephen Asen (1xajaxfetish, 3xBeskar)
White Eyes:D (1xSasaki, 1xAggonyDuck (duel fought and won), 1xatheotes)
Yoyoma1910 (1xYaropolk)
Wishazu (1xGeneral Hankerchief)


As comparison, here is Quintus.JC's votes and challenges:

Quintus
Abstain
Sigurd
No Vote
No Vote
Tristan de Castelreng
General Hankerchief

Challenges:

Quintus.JC (1xBeskar)

[AggonyDuck]

Of the unconfirmed players I've got three major suspects:

1. FactionHeir: Lots of analysis on the kills, who has what role etc.; gives the impression of working for the town's good, but gives very little solid to go with. I've noticed, that for some reason killers tend to be fixated on the kills.

2. Ajaxfetish: Very little to go on as he has lurked big time, but he's also been quasi-helpful for the town effort. Add to this the Andres profile/Swords of the Moon/PM thing that Stephen Asen caught him doing and he's high on my suspect list.

3. Rhyfelwyr: The last of the pevers standing. Another lurker. Overall there is very little to go by here either, but his behaviour is suspicious.

Additionally during the last seven days and nights, they haven't been the challenger once.

[Gregoshi]

Thank you for doing that Duck. :bow:

So Seamus, Caius and Dutch_guy tend not to vote. Does that mean likely bad guys?

General Hankerchief, Stephen Asen and White Eyes:D have issued several challenges. That puts them likely in the good guy camp? GH and SA have the benefit of being on the innocent list too.

Edit: Ah, I see your analysis. It is as good as anything we have to go on. The ajaxfetish case looks strong the more I think about it because the town is out of bullets (special roles) which makes the activities observed by Stephen very suspect.

Excellent work for a Dead Duck. :bow:

[Csargo]

Vote:Beskar

I think he's the best lynch for today. He gives me a really bad vibe, especially his last few posts.

Challenge:FH

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: Seamus
Vote: FH

I trust Ducky's gut more than pretty much anything else in this game, and I have a good chance of dealing with Seamus anyway this round.

[Beskar]

Vote: Ichigo

He is the ninja. I been on his tail for a while and ever since mentioning him as my suspect, he has constantly been voting for me since. He also lurks like hell and look at his voting record, they all have been innocents.

For those voting me, you are ensuring your deaths. Voting for known innocents is the stupidest thing in existence.

[FactionHeir]

I've been putting some thought into this:

CA has everyone's battle ratings. Assuming that he is town and willing to help, he could post a suspect list of anyone with a rating higher than 4, as new samurai have 3 and veterans 5 by default. In fact, anything not 3 or 5 is suspect.

As TC claimed, all traitors and ninjas have veteran samurai as cover roles, not basic samurai. If that claim is true and CA can post his suspect list without ratings (just post that he suspects those people without giving a reason but the hidden reason being that they have 4+ so as not to directly break Andres rules), we can have these people challenge each other during day phase (i.e. vet vs vet). Those not challenging can be lynched in a combined effort to get rid of the mafia.

[Beskar]

TinCow didn't post that they have Veteran Samurai roles, I did.

Look at all the examples, all the known ninja were "veteran samurai" even BQ and Sasaki, even the Geisha.

[FactionHeir]

Sorry, you did :grin:

[Husar]

Isn't Ichigo strangely quiet or is that because he is a lot less active in general lately?

I got absolutely no idea and the ones I have I'm not allowed to post, the others I wasn't allowed to execute and working around it was prevented by the drunk commie( <3 ) so good luck is all I can say. ~D

Oh and, interesting game, Andres!

[FactionHeir]

Looked at the kills again.

Gobble's kill is carried out like the SK/ninja one.
CA was killed by ninja (drugged rice from Kato)
Sasaki was beheaded and his head taken (likley ninja) and there were 2 killers

Now, unless ninja and traitors are cooperating, QJC wasn't a ninja but a traitor, or the ninja for some weird reason got 4 kills in last night (2 on Sasaki).

And Gobbles killer is not Sasaki's killer because as I said Gobble's body was near CA and the mention is on Sasaki being beheaded elsewhere. Besides, Gobble was also burned according to the writeup, though that wasn't reflected upon in the crime scene - unlikely to be significant though.

[AggonyDuck]

So Seamus, Caius and Dutch_guy tend not to vote. Does that mean likely bad guys?


They should had been WoG'd, because having more no votes than votes at this phase is just silly. That said I don't think Seamus or Caius are guilty. They look more like rather inactive players. With Dutch_guy you can never know as he is your typical lurker and the no vote sequences are shorter.

[FactionHeir]

Of the unconfirmed players I've got three major suspects:

1. FactionHeir: Lots of analysis on the kills, who has what role etc.; gives the impression of working for the town's good, but gives very little solid to go with. I've noticed, that for some reason killers tend to be fixated on the kills.

Additionally during the last seven days and nights, they haven't been the challenger once.

Find me a standard mafia game where I was not fixated on the kills, either as town or as mafia. :grin:
And outside of being the detective, its rather impossible to have something solid to go with.

And with a rating of 3, its suicide to go challenge people when you can stay alive and vote :yes: (was that WIFOM and giving the impression I have to survive till the end and therefore must be scum? :grin:)

[AggonyDuck]

Well what strikes me as odd isn't that you are analyzing the kills, but the frequency of it. Almost 75% of your posts are kill analyses. From what I looked in some other games you played, the obsession with the kills was far lower in them.

[FactionHeir]

In the other recent games I was in, I actually had a role that could do something (Settlement, Noble Sons etc), i.e. not standard mafia game.

Also, what should I be posting about if not about the kills? The weather today? :grin: (its really sunny btw - great day for my graduation)

[AggonyDuck]

That will suffice for now, but I'm still keeping my eye on you. I think you should either lynch ajaxfetish or rhyfelwyr now.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Ducky:

I am used to you going with your gut...nice analysis :yes:.


Yes, I am reasonably sure that BG's list was accurate. His tone/writing style with the reveal and subsequent posts were very much normal for him. The attacks on Sasaki and CA seemed to bear out their stories well in addition.

Unvote: Beskar

My post was supposed to get people to think. We had a short list of likely innocents (no absolutely confirmed innocents of course, but that's mafia), but all of the voting was on me as a suspected GF of the ninja...leaving the rest under-analyzed.

GH should get a chance to sword me down -- it'll let him focus better afterwards -- but I think the focus should be on those we have NO indication of innocence, but who's behavior does seem "off."

Vote: Factionheir

Still not ringing true for me.


My role is generic samurai, the role has already been posted, so posting mine would only evoke the "he could have faked it all" response, so I'll let GH sword me down or let the mafia whack me when they realize I won't get voted off the island.

[Csargo]

Isn't Ichigo strangely quiet or is that because he is a lot less active in general lately?

I got absolutely no idea and the ones I have I'm not allowed to post, the others I wasn't allowed to execute and working around it was prevented by the drunk commie( <3 ) so good luck is all I can say. ~D

Oh and, interesting game, Andres!

I've been less active over all of the Org I think.

[KukriKhan]

Andres, our esteemed host seems to be (very loosely) following the plot of Kagemusha, the Kurosawa movie. Wiki summary in spoilers:
The film opens with a shot of what appears to be three identical Shingens. One really is Shingen, the second is his brother, Nobukado. The third man is a thief who Nobukado accidentally came across and spared from crucifixion, believing the thief's uncanny resemblance to Shingen would prove useful. Shingen agrees that he would prove useful as a double and they decide to use the thief as a kagemusha.

Shingen's army has besieged a castle of Tokugawa Ieyasu. When Shingen visits the battlefield to hear a mysterious nightly flute player, he is shot by a sniper. Mortally wounded, he orders his generals to keep his death a secret for three years. Shingen later dies while being carried over a mountain pass, with only a small group of witnesses.

Nobukado presents the thief to the generals and contrives a plan to have this kagemusha impersonate Shingen full-time. At first, even the thief is unaware of Shingen's death, until he tries to break into a huge jar, believing it to contain treasure, and instead finds Shingen's preserved corpse. After this act, the generals decide they cannot trust the thief and set him free.

The Takeda leaders secretly dump the jar with Shingen's corpse into Lake Suwa. Spies working for Tokugawa and his ally, Oda Nobunaga witness the disposal of the jar, and suspect that Shingen has died and go to report the death. The thief, however, overhearing the spies, goes to offer his services hoping to be of some use to Shingen in death. The Takeda clan preserves the cover-up by saying they were making an offering of sake to the god of the lake.

The spies follow the Takeda army as they march home from the siege. Although they suspect that Shingen has died, they are later convinced by the kagemusha's performance.

Returning home, the kagemusha successfully fools Shingen's concubines and grandson. By imitating Shingen's gestures and learning more about him, the kagemusha begins to take on the persona of Shingen, and is able to awe even the bodyguards and wakashu who knew Shingen best. When he must preside over a clan council, and is unexpectedly asked for his decision on a military matter, he cleverly relies on the clan motto, which identifies Shingen with an unmoving mountain.

When Tokugawa and Oda Nobunaga launch an attack against Takeda territory. Shingen's son, Katsuyori, launches a counterattack against the advice of other generals. The kagemusha is forced to lead reinforcements to the Battle of Takatenjin, and helps inspire the troops to victory.

In a fit of overconfidence, the kagemusha attempts to ride Shingen's spirited horse. When he falls off those who rush to help him see that he does not have their lord's battle scars and he is revealed as an impostor. The thief is driven out of the palace, and Katsuyori, despite being disinherited, takes over the clan.

In full control of the Takeda army, Katsuyori leads an ill-advised attack against Oda Nobunaga, who controls Kyoto, resulting in the Battle of Nagashino. Wave after wave of cavalry and infantry are cut down by volleys of matchlock fire, effectively wiping out the Takeda. During this scene, much of the battle is offscreen. Although the charge of the Takeda army and the volley of fire from Nobunaga's soldiers is seen, the actual deaths of the Takeda men is not shown until the battle is over and the viewer sees a vast scene of carnage as more time is given to the aftermath. (In reality, the clan continued under Katsuyori's leadership for years after the battle). The kagemusha, who has followed the Takeda army, witnesses the slaughter. In a final show of loyalty, he takes up a lance and makes a futile charge against Oda's fortifications, ultimately dying for the Takeda clan. The final image is of the kagemusha's bullet-riddled body being washed away down a river, next to the flag of the Takeda clan.

The use of an actor/double, the death by gunshot, parallelling events in the flick. I wonder how CountArach suddenly became a target... I speculate there must have been a caveat in his role PM, like: "If you reveal your true identity, you lose immunity from attack and you are fair game for killing". And how would the ninja & traitors know that? Andres must have told them, after CA's reveal - which floored me, I admit. I anticipated a plot-twist, but not that.

So now, does some (alive) townie get the role of clan leader? Does that guy get any special abilities (like investigations/resurrections)?

We have at least 3, and probably 4, killers still on the loose, hidden among 16 players. Despite some excellent discussion, I see no solid reason to abandon the strategy of using the Banquo's Ghost list of uninvestigated guys to work up suspects.

If I were alive and able to vote, I'd start with the non-participators & non-voters on BG's not-investigated list (who oddly haven't been WoG'd - therefore casting suspicion on them). If we "get" two of them in the next two day phases, we stand a chance of victory, setting aside another plot twist.

[AggonyDuck]

Andres, our esteemed host seems to be (very loosely) following the plot of Kagemusha, the Kurosawa movie. Wiki summary in spoilers:
The film opens with a shot of what appears to be three identical Shingens. One really is Shingen, the second is his brother, Nobukado. The third man is a thief who Nobukado accidentally came across and spared from crucifixion, believing the thief's uncanny resemblance to Shingen would prove useful. Shingen agrees that he would prove useful as a double and they decide to use the thief as a kagemusha.

Shingen's army has besieged a castle of Tokugawa Ieyasu. When Shingen visits the battlefield to hear a mysterious nightly flute player, he is shot by a sniper. Mortally wounded, he orders his generals to keep his death a secret for three years. Shingen later dies while being carried over a mountain pass, with only a small group of witnesses.

Nobukado presents the thief to the generals and contrives a plan to have this kagemusha impersonate Shingen full-time. At first, even the thief is unaware of Shingen's death, until he tries to break into a huge jar, believing it to contain treasure, and instead finds Shingen's preserved corpse. After this act, the generals decide they cannot trust the thief and set him free.

The Takeda leaders secretly dump the jar with Shingen's corpse into Lake Suwa. Spies working for Tokugawa and his ally, Oda Nobunaga witness the disposal of the jar, and suspect that Shingen has died and go to report the death. The thief, however, overhearing the spies, goes to offer his services hoping to be of some use to Shingen in death. The Takeda clan preserves the cover-up by saying they were making an offering of sake to the god of the lake.

The spies follow the Takeda army as they march home from the siege. Although they suspect that Shingen has died, they are later convinced by the kagemusha's performance.

Returning home, the kagemusha successfully fools Shingen's concubines and grandson. By imitating Shingen's gestures and learning more about him, the kagemusha begins to take on the persona of Shingen, and is able to awe even the bodyguards and wakashu who knew Shingen best. When he must preside over a clan council, and is unexpectedly asked for his decision on a military matter, he cleverly relies on the clan motto, which identifies Shingen with an unmoving mountain.

When Tokugawa and Oda Nobunaga launch an attack against Takeda territory. Shingen's son, Katsuyori, launches a counterattack against the advice of other generals. The kagemusha is forced to lead reinforcements to the Battle of Takatenjin, and helps inspire the troops to victory.

In a fit of overconfidence, the kagemusha attempts to ride Shingen's spirited horse. When he falls off those who rush to help him see that he does not have their lord's battle scars and he is revealed as an impostor. The thief is driven out of the palace, and Katsuyori, despite being disinherited, takes over the clan.

In full control of the Takeda army, Katsuyori leads an ill-advised attack against Oda Nobunaga, who controls Kyoto, resulting in the Battle of Nagashino. Wave after wave of cavalry and infantry are cut down by volleys of matchlock fire, effectively wiping out the Takeda. During this scene, much of the battle is offscreen. Although the charge of the Takeda army and the volley of fire from Nobunaga's soldiers is seen, the actual deaths of the Takeda men is not shown until the battle is over and the viewer sees a vast scene of carnage as more time is given to the aftermath. (In reality, the clan continued under Katsuyori's leadership for years after the battle). The kagemusha, who has followed the Takeda army, witnesses the slaughter. In a final show of loyalty, he takes up a lance and makes a futile charge against Oda's fortifications, ultimately dying for the Takeda clan. The final image is of the kagemusha's bullet-riddled body being washed away down a river, next to the flag of the Takeda clan.

The use of an actor/double, the death by gunshot, parallelling events in the flick. I wonder how CountArach suddenly became a target... I speculate there must have been a caveat in his role PM, like: "If you reveal your true identity, you lose immunity from attack and you are fair game for killing". And how would the ninja & traitors know that? Andres must have told them, after CA's reveal - which floored me, I admit. I anticipated a plot-twist, but not that.

So now, does some (alive) townie get the role of clan leader? Does that guy get any special abilities (like investigations/resurrections)?

We have at least 3, and probably 4, killers still on the loose, hidden among 16 players. Despite some excellent discussion, I see no solid reason to abandon the strategy of using the Banquo's Ghost list of uninvestigated guys to work up suspects.

If I were alive and able to vote, I'd start with the non-participators & non-voters on BG's not-investigated list (who oddly haven't been WoG'd - therefore casting suspicion on them). If we "get" two of them in the next two day phases, we stand a chance of victory, setting aside another plot twist.

They knew CA was vulnerable after all the swordmasters were killed. As to the Kagemusha part, you heard it first from me in https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2226949&postcount=1483.

[KukriKhan]

They knew CA was vulnerable after all the swordmasters were killed. As to the Kagemusha part, you heard it first from me in https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2226949&postcount=1483.

Aha, I missed that sentence:

...I was in the belief that you (Sasaki Kojiro) were protected that night due to the fact that you were the real Shingen, while Count Arach was merely a kagemusha...

Kudos :bow: A pity we didn't pursue that avenue more thoroughly, at the time.

But your other statement:

They knew CA was vulnerable after all the swordmasters were killed.

I believe you believe that, but I don't understand, still. How do/did the killers know the swordmasters? Via investigation? Nightly kill narrative? How would they know how many there were? And why did they waste kill time on peons like me, if they knew who the best targets were?

I guess that will all be revealed in the game summary and the other forum reveal, but it's stumbling blocks like those that have made a decent town strategy almost impossible to craft.

[TinCow]

I believe you believe that, but I don't understand, still. How do/did the killers know the swordmasters? Via investigation? Nightly kill narrative? How would they know how many there were? And why did they waste kill time on peons like me, if they knew who the best targets were?

Gobble survived a hit without someone else protecting him. This happened to other people previously, and was a clear sign that he was a swordmaster. Thus, prior to last night they mafia knew that two swordmasters were dead and knew that Gobble was the last one. This is why Sasaki revealed: he apparently believed he had nothing to lose anyway since his protection was blown.

[AggonyDuck]

I believe you believe that, but I don't understand, still. How do/did the killers know the swordmasters? Via investigation? Nightly kill narrative? How would they know how many there were? And why did they waste kill time on peons like me, if they knew who the best targets were?

I guess that will all be revealed in the game summary and the other forum reveal, but it's stumbling blocks like those that have made a decent town strategy almost impossible to craft.

The role list revealed that there were three of them. Husar was revealed through a random nightly kill.The other two they knew via Banquo's reveal. Banquo had investigated our swordmasters, propably due to CA's suggestion and on his reveal list they stuck out quite badly. The writeups then revealed that they had struck true as they had with Husar. As to your death, it is possible that someone used a one time kill ability on you. Also you need to remember that we have to two hostile factions among us and eventually they need to kill each other as well.

[Yaropolk]

I keep going back to Kukri's death. This is the night that 2 swordmasters and banquo's ghost also got knocked off. We saw 4 kills this night - the usual number, even though the last one occured out of sequence. It's possible that Kukri was the traitor - he got a kill in on one of the high profile targets, and Ninjas offed him. In which case, Andres arranged the kills out of order to allow for Kukri's kill. Another thought is that this is the first time we see the ninja master in play - the kill is very similar to CA's from last night.





~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~




Night 7 - Conclusion


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Hour of the Rat

Yamamoto Kansuke (Gobbledygook) was guarding the room of his master, as he had done so many times.

While time was passing, he examined his armor. It was perfectly clean, as it should be. The swordmaster was very proud of his clean armor. He looked at the naginata he held in his hands and examined it as well. It was in a perfect condition and, just like his armor, it was clean. While he was busy enjoying the beauty of his weapon and watching it a bit closer, he saw a black mark on it. He started shaking his head in disbelief. He looked again and then realized that it wasn't a mark, but a shadow. Fast as lightning, he turned around and struck at something behind him. He wasn't fast enough to hit his target. The ninja managed to throw a knife at his opponent, causing a severe injury at his left arm.

When the attacker heard the running footsteps of another guard, he quickly disappeared without being recognised.


~~~


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Hour of the Rat


Kago Junichiro (glyphz) was guarding the main entrance to the room of his Lord. While he was wiping off some imaginary dust on his armor, he heard sounds of a struggle at the opposite side of the room.


The swordmaster unsheeted his katana, yelled a battlecry and ran towards the noise.


While he was running towards the skirmish, he didn't notice the dark shadow hiding in a corner.


Kago saw his comrade reaching for his upper left arm, an expression of pain visible on his face. He also saw a man dressed in black running away. What he didn't notice, was the sharp katana of the other attacker striking for his neck.


The dark shadow quickly ran away. Yamamoto watched the head of his fallen comrade rolling on the floor, but he was too slow to catch the killer of his fellow swordmaster.


~~~


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Hour of the Ox


Matsuura Asuma (Banquo's Ghost) went to his room. He took off his kimono and reached for his chest. He had heard some strange sounds earlier that night and they bothered him. He wondered what had happened.


He calmly prepared himself for the night, his body and spirit in perfect balance and harmony.

While he was reaching for his inner peace, his senses detected that someone was standing behind the door of his room. He quickly unsheeted his wakizashi and jumped forwards, aiming for where he suspected a killer to hide. His blow only destroyed paper and wood.


Matsuura looked puzzled. "I must be getting paranoid," he said to himself. Just as he was about to turn around, a man jumped at him and two strong, dark gloved hands were at his throat. It didn't take too long before Matsuura died. The killer pierced a dagger through his right eyeball, right into his brains, for good measure.


He left the scene unnoticed.


~~~

Day 7 - May the gods be with us.


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Hour of the Rabbit


Lord Shingen was thinking about the past. Under his leadership, his clan had fought and won many battles. A lot men had died under his command and many, many others had been slain by his troops. He laughed softly. To think that criminals who murdered one human being got executed while he, being responsable for the death of thousands, got worshipped. Maybe the events of this winter were a punishment of the gods. Or a joke? Would the gods have a sense of humor?


He shaked his head. He shouldn't be thinking like that. The battles and the killings weren't meaningless, they served a purpose. If the gods would allow it, he would one day unite the Empire and become shogun. He would bring peace and the killings would stop. The battles served a higher purpose! Criminals were just criminals, killing for their own personal gain. A daimyo served the noble cause.

With this in mind, he finished his breakfeast and prepared for another exhausting day.


The men standing outside were restless. It was only when Lord Takeda entered the courtyard that they became quiet. The Tiger didn't pay attention to the dead bodies, it was becoming a familiar sight.


Sitting at his platform, he picked up a scroll. He nodded towards Nakamura Kinji (White_Eyes:D) and Midorikawa Kaito (AggonyDuck). Both men bowed for each other and their Lord. A senior officer stepped forward: "No armor, no hidden weapons. Just katana and wakizashi." Both men nodded again.


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Nakamura stepped forward; his katana ready in his hand. His opponent unsheeted his sword. Nakamura dealt out the first blow which was blocked by Midorikawa, who immediately counter attacked.


Nakamura stepped aside, avoiding the deadly katana, but not without having it making a cut in his right arm. He quickly pierced his katana forward and allthough Midorikawa managed to avoid it, he twisted his ankle.


Both lightly injured men cirkled around each other, looking for an opening. A drip of sweat fell into Midorikawa's eye and he wiped it away with his left hand. Nakamura took the opportunity and jumped forward, his katana coming down for a fatal blow. Midorikawa looked up, but got blinded by the sun. He couldn't avoid the katana and the dead that it brought with it.

Sitting on his knees, looking at the blood flowing out of his body, he didn't notice the merciful blow which seperated his head from his body.


Nakamura bowed at his master, who nodded back.


Four samurai stepped forward to pick up the body of the fallen warrior. One of them, Gamo Ujisato (Kukrikhan) suddenly reached for his stomach. He fell on his knees and started to throw up. Apparently, he was in pain. Years of training and fighting battles couldn't prevent him from screaming it out in aggony. His comrades kneeled next to him, not knowing what to do. A few minutes later, Gamo Ujisato was dead. He died from an unknown cause...


~~~



:bow:



edit: added spoiler tag

[Gregoshi]

Argh! I need to put my thoughts down faster. Time wasted on things AD and TC answered before I could submit.

[TinCow]

I keep going back to Kukri's death. This is the night that 2 swordmasters and banquo's ghost also got knocked off. We saw 4 kills this night - the usual number, even though the last one occured out of sequence. It's possible that Kukri was the traitor - he got a kill in on one of the high profile targets, and Ninjas offed him.

I believe this is correct. The traitors are dead and it is reasonable to assume that both Quintus and Kukri were scum of some kind. I have noticed yet another aspect of last night's kills that make it certain that all three were by ninjas: Sasaki's death by firearms. In the intro bit to that night, the ninja master gives out a poisoned bowl of rice and "a long object wrapped in cloth." The rice was used on CA, thus ninja. The long object is almost certainly an arquebus, which was used in Sasaki's death, thus that was also ninja.

There is no way that the ninjas would attack both of these people without first killing off the last remaining swordmaster. Thus Gobble must be ninja as well. Thus, while it remains unclear how many ninjas are left (I still think they'd get 3 kills even if less than 3 were alive), I do think the traitors have been eliminated.

[Gregoshi]

I keep going back to Kukri's death...
My thoughts agree with AD that it might have been a one shot ability of BQ. He was going to die that night and Kukri was prime suspect as the GF, so BQ took a best guess departing shot at him before he died.

[Yoyoma1910]

Vote:Seamus Fermanagh


I actually have no idea
How to pronounce
Properly his name,

So I can't really
Do much with it
In verse.

But, his actions,
His statements:
They are questionable.

And so, his name
Will stand, but alone.

[AggonyDuck]

Yoyo, how about you start contributing with more than just haiku? :wall:

[KukriKhan]

The role list revealed that there were three of them. Husar was revealed through a random nightly kill.The other two they knew via Banquo's reveal. Banquo had investigated our swordmasters, propably due to CA's suggestion and on his reveal list they stuck out quite badly. The writeups then revealed that they had struck true as they had with Husar. As to your death, it is possible that someone used a one time kill ability on you. Also you need to remember that we have to two hostile factions among us and eventually they need to kill each other as well.

I see. So my murder by ninja-poisoning (unusual then, but not anymore, with CA's ricebowl) was a "thinking ahead" move by them to eliminate not only town, but also a possible Traitor-faction member.

Good, then. They wasted a kill on me, via my other-than-innocent investigation result. I have served my Lord; though Traitors therefore (by my interpretation) remain in your midst.

[Kagemusha]

I think we are going down pretty fast. The town really needs to stop speculating about possible ninja master amongst the ones investigated by Banguo. If it is indeed the case that the master hides amongst the innocents. He will become a lynch target during final rounds. If we dont get rid of the traitors and ninja henchmen, there will be no final rounds as we will all be dead.

About the last night. Kato Danzo gave a "an old curio from Tanegashima" to his follower. What tanegashima was known was that 1543 Portuguese vessel shipwrecked to that island South from Kyushu. With that event certain weapon was introduced to Japan in large quantity. older designs of that weapon had been imported from China before, but those did not gain so much popularity compared to what the Portuguese had. That weapon was arqubues, or Teppo or Tanegashima teppo like the Japanese called it.

So to me it seems pretty clear that it was the same ninja henchmen that used muskets to kill Sasaki. In that case, it seems that two of our dear ninja friends killed Sasaki. That leaves us with two other kills. Both were not seen Maybe those two kills were conducted by the traitors.

We have 16 players alive and apparently atleast 4 bad guys or maybe even 5 alive. This does not give us very good odds at this point to be honest. In any case Vote : Yoyoma1910. I can stand defeat in hands of mafia, but not if the mafiaoso has not done anything other in the thread during the game then posting haikus.

[Dutch_guy]

The town really needs to stop speculating about possible ninja master amongst the ones investigated by Banguo. If it is indeed the case that the master hides amongst the innocents. He will become a lynch target during final rounds. If we dont get rid of the traitors and ninja henchmen, there will be no final rounds as we will all be dead.

That's putting off the inevitable, but, yes, it would be for the best if we'd concentrate on his henchmen. Even though on the short term that won't do anything to lower the death toll.

It seems FH has been getting a lot of heat because he analyses the kills a little to enthusiastically, but personally I haven't played enough games with him to find this strange or not but it may be the only 'reasonable' argument pro-lynch we have this round. That said I have a gut feeling Caius isn't who he says he is, he's usually more active and should simply post more were this a standard game for him.

Not voting just yet.

:balloon2:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Caius, I think, is WoG-bait. I'd only look at him if he resumes activity in the thread.

[Wishazu]

Can someone please post the list`s of suspects and innocents that the late detective posted? It`s probably miles back now but I can`t seem to find it.

[Csargo]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2227396&postcount=1516

Here's BG's post.

[Wishazu]

Cheers mate.

unvote Beskar

Vote Yoyoma

I feel he is mocking us with his frivolous Haiku!

[Prince Cobra]

I think the traitors, if there are any left, are working for the town now. Nobushige is dead and the Takeda clan is threatened. I think Sasaki recognized a traitor(there were two killers, not one).

I would like to focus on either ajaxfetish or... Kage and even woad&fangs. The enemy is ready even to duel in order to escape from suspcions.

I will make my final vote now...


....

Please welcome my replacement Tiberius of the Drake

[Dutch_guy]

Caius, I think, is WoG-bait. I'd only look at him if he resumes activity in the thread.

Fair enough, we'll see what he does.


I think the traitors, if there are any left, are working for the town now. Nobushige is dead and the Takeda clan is threatened. I think Sasaki recognized a traitor(there were two killers, not one).

I don't think traitors would ever work for the town, if Andres' write ups suggest they're gone, then I think there's only we conclusion we can make.


I feel he is mocking us with his frivolous Haiku!

While they are well thought out, I fail to see how (multiple) three line short sentences benefit the town.

Vote: Yoyoma

:balloon2:

[Caius]

I faill to see how Yokoma doesn't help us, he doesnt help us, neither he does help us. The one that went against SA was Beskar, he has been trying to lead the town votes being very active, which is scummy indeed.

Are you innocent, Beskar? What do you have to say?

[Prince Cobra]

Vote:FactionHeir

We have plenty of challenges so we can remove this man from the list. He was too close to Sasaki PoV btw.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Yoyo:

Seamus Fermanagh is pronounced as:

Shay-muss Firm-uh-naw


I suggest lynching:
Factionheir 1st, Yoyo 2nd, Caius 3rd, GH if it still hasn't ended then.

Instead, it'll be generic samurai Seamus 1st, and then Beskar.

[Yoyoma1910]

Since most of my work here isn't in haiku, I can only assume many of you accusing me are not actually reading what I am writing.


I also find those who think they are saying very much, are simply saying very little with many words.



And thank you, Seamus, for the pronunciation guide, I never would have figured it out.

[Andres]

40 minutes until deadline.

[Yoyoma1910]

My theory on the nature of last nights write up:

Hour of Boar:
Ninja Master

Hour of Rat:
Ninja (With log from fire. Did someone loose their weapon at some point?)

Hour of Rat:
Ninja

Hour of Tiger:
Special Ninja Event



Currently I believe we have two ninja and their master.


We had two Wannabes die in one evening early on. As previously stated, I believe one of them was likely one of the traitors. After that, I'm not sure.

[Andres]

Voting concluded. Stand by for execution.

[Andres]

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~





Day 8 - Conclusion



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Hour of the Cock


“ Snow falls from the sky
“ the white carpet too silent
“ now, the end is near

Fujimoto Takumi (FactionHeir) looked at the scroll. His heart was filled with sorrow and grief. He still couldn’t believe his master had died that night. Or did he?

He watched the snow flocks falling down. Soft and gentle like a loving wife, anxiously waiting for her warrior to come back. Cold like the ice surrounding the heart of the loving wife when she realizes her beloved husband is not coming back. Falling down, like the coin that had decided his fate.

Soon, Fujimoto would be cold too. He wondered if he would join his master. Would he accept his presence? There was only one way to find out.

He reached for the clean, cold knife that was waiting on the white cushions in front of him. Slowly, he opened the belt of his white kimono. For the last time, he looked at the world around him. Soon he would know if life truly was but a dream in a dream.

The knife pierced through skin and flesh. Before he could lose his self control, the katana of his kaishakunin struck mercifully.

Snow kept falling on Fujimoto's body.

Soft, gentle and cold.


~~~

Tally:


FactionHeir: 3 (GeneralHankerchief, Seamus Fermanagh, Stephen Asen) :skull:

Yoyoma1910: 3 (Kagemusha, Dutch_guy, Wishazu)
Seamus Fermanagh: 2 (ajaxfetish, Yoyoma1910)
Beskar: 2 (Caius, Ichigo)
Ichigo : 1 (Beskar)
Rhyfelwyr: 1 (woad&fangs)

Not voting: 4 (FactionHeir, Chimpyang, White_Eyes:D, Rhyfelwyr)


~~~


Challenges:


1. Woad&fangs vs. Rhyfelwyr;
2. Wishazu vs. Beskar
3. Caius vs. Beskar
4. Seamus vs. GH




Alive (15):

GeneralHankerchief
Caius
Ichigo
Wishazu
White_Eyes:D
Stephen Assen
Rhyfelwyr
Beskar
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
Seamus Fermanagh
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
Dutch_guy



Killed (27):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan
Sasaki Kojiro
CountArach

Gobbledygook


Fallen in battle (8):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
atheotes

Lynched (8):

Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill
FactionHeir


WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng
Psychonaut
taka

~~~


It's now night. PM's please. Night will last for +/- 23 hours. That's until 21.30 (GMT +1)

Note: Tiberius of the Drakewill replace Stephen Asen.





:bow:

[Kagemusha]

I would be now even sure to vote Yoyoma1910 the next round. First serious consideration for several players to lynch him and suddenly his behaviour changes. Worried of dying are we?

[Gregoshi]

Note: Tiberius Beskar will replace Stephen Asen.


~:confused: I thought Beskar was Tiberius Beskar. Did we just lose a player that was alive considering that both Stephen and Beskar are both alive? I'm lost.

Kage, Yoyoma changed because of a complaint about his hiaku-only posting - apparently. Not to say you aren't right though.

So, did we miss again? That's the way I read it, but there are a few things in the writeup to ponder some more.

[FactionHeir]

Well, at least of the 15 alive, 27% rather than 25% are scum now. Probably even more after the night phase.

Btw, I was a generic ninja, just like Seamus, which is why I didn't challenge.

Its interesting to note that even though I was tied with yoyo, I got lynched.

FoS everyone that pushed for my lynch.

Oh, and Andres, its Tiberius of the Drake, not Beskar - lest he play 2 characters at once.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Since most of my work here isn't in haiku, I can only assume many of you accusing me are not actually reading what I am writing.


I also find those who think they are saying very much, are simply saying very little with many words.



And thank you, Seamus, for the pronunciation guide, I never would have figured it out.


Yeah right. Tell it to Tee Boudreau for me. :wiseguy:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Btw, I was a generic ninja, just like Seamus, which is why I didn't challenge.

Is this the part where I'm supposed to say "oooh what a giveaway" or some such? :laugh4: I said samurai laddie, samurai.


Let GH stamp paid to my account if he wishes.


I say Yoyo next for the beautiful serene gut dumping.

[Csargo]

~:confused: I thought Beskar was Tiberius Beskar. Did we just lose a player that was alive considering that both Stephen and Beskar are both alive? I'm lost.

Kage, Yoyoma changed because of a complaint about his hiaku-only posting - apparently. Not to say you aren't right though.

So, did we miss again? That's the way I read it, but there are a few things in the writeup to ponder some more.

SA said Tiberius of the Drake was replacing him, I think Andres messed up the name.

[Beskar]

No he didn't, Andres, give me both votes!

[FactionHeir]

Err I meant generic samurai of course :grin:

[Csargo]

:sweatdrop:

[Beskar]

I faill to see how Yokoma doesn't help us, he doesnt help us, neither he does help us. The one that went against SA was Beskar, he has been trying to lead the town votes being very active, which is scummy indeed.

Yes, I thought Stephen Asen was a mafia-role early on and I changed my position and believed he was innocent later, especially when B-Ghost posted he was on the innocent list. That was only a normal mistake and after all, it was a convincing argument at the time, what you fail to say, are the votes other people made which were completely stupid. Some people were simply voted out for being good players.

I have very strong reasons to believe Ghost's innocent list is accurate, mainly due to a private message he replied with, giving my full samurai name. If he didn't investigate me, how would he have known?

I actually believe Ichigo is lurking because he is a mafia-role, and ever since I brought him up for his lurking, he has been voting against me basically straight. Other people just vote saying it is me for stupid reasons, or based on some one saying to vote for no real explanations at all.

Anyway, I will say it again, voting against me is a waste of a vote because I am actually innocent and been proven to be innocent several times, so any suggestion saying I am not must be due to the mafia-roles cutting their heads off in their sleep.

[AggonyDuck]

We will have more to go on after the next kills. By the way FH, isn't it somewhat ironic that you could had saved yourself bý casting a vote? :smash:

[AggonyDuck]

Anyway lets hope the Traitors and the Ninjas start killing each other. :2thumbsup:

[atheotes]

Anyway lets hope the Traitors and the Ninjas start killing each other. :2thumbsup:

hehe...looks like that is the only way the town can win... :wall: we are unable to make a concrete case against anyone :shame:

[AggonyDuck]

Updated version:

Voting pattern of the final 15 samurai

White Eyes:D
Beskar
No Vote
YLC
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Seamus
No Vote

Seamus Fermanagh
Beskar
No Vote
Shlin28
No Vote
No Vote
No Vote
Abstain
Faction Heir

Beskar
ATPG
Stephen Asen
Shlin28
TosaInu
Tristan de Castelreng
Quintus.JC
Wishazu
Ichigo

Ichigo
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd
YLC
No Vote
Beskar
Beskar
Peasant Phill
Beskar

w&f
Faction Heir
Yaropolk
Stephen Asen
No Vote
Beskar
Quintus.JC
Dutch_guy
Rhyfelwyr

GeneralHankerchief
Beefy187
Sigurd
Shlin28
Sasaki Kojiro
No Vote
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill
FactionHeir

Yoyoma1910
Louis VI the Fat
No Vote
General Hankerchief
Rhyfelwyr
AggonyDuck
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill
Seamus Fermanagh

ajaxfetish
Abstain
No Vote
shlin28
No Vote
Tin Cow
Quintus.JC
Wishazu
Seamus Fermanagh

Caius
Abstain
No Vote
Abstain
No Vote
No Vote
No Vote
No Vote
Beskar

Rhyfelwyr
No Vote
Abstain
LittleGrizzly
TinCow
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Wishazu
No Vote

Stephen Asen
No Vote
Beskar
Abstain
Beskar
Beskar
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill
FactionHeir

Dutch_guy
No Vote
No Vote
shlin28
No Vote
No Vote
Quintus.JC
Wishazu
Yoyoma1910

Wishazu
3rd vote
Haudegen
Rhyfelwyr
Beskar
General Hankerchief
Yaropolk
Yoyoma1910

Kagemusha
3rd vote
shlin28
Seamus Fermanagh
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Seamus Fermanagh
Yoyoma1910


Challenges made by the last 15 samurai
Challenges

Caius (2xBeskar)
General Hankerchief (1xRhyfelwyr, 1xBeefy187 (duel fought and won), 1xBeskar)
Seamus Fermanagh (1xGeneralHankerchief)
Stephen Asen (1xajaxfetish, 3xBeskar)
White Eyes:D (1xSasaki, 1xAggonyDuck (duel fought and won), 1xatheotes)
Yoyoma1910 (1xYaropolk)
Wishazu (1xGeneral Hankerchief, 1x Beskar)
woad&fangs(1xRhyfelwyr)

[FactionHeir]

We will have more to go on after the next kills. By the way FH, isn't it somewhat ironic that you could had saved yourself bý casting a vote? :smash:

Chances are people would have called for my lynch the next phase anyway.

[CountArach]

I've been putting some thought into this:

CA has everyone's battle ratings. Assuming that he is town and willing to help, he could post a suspect list of anyone with a rating higher than 4, as new samurai have 3 and veterans 5 by default. In fact, anything not 3 or 5 is suspect.
The problem is that everyone alive is now either 3 or 5, so that is a dead-end. Clearly they were given cover PMs.

I was not guilty of anything at all - I was completely pro-town.

[Gregoshi]

I was not guilty of anything at all - I was completely pro-town.
Too bad. Guilt would have saved your life. As it stands, seeing the way the game is going, if the ninjas hadn't gotten you, we would have lynched you as well - Shingen or not. :laugh4:

Something that stands out from Duck's analysis, is Ichigo voting for Beskar almost every night since BQ put Beskar in the innocent list.

Seamus is suddenly active. :inquisitive:

FactionHeir's "slip" about being a ninja like Seamus seems a rather unhelpful comment for a townie to make, so I'm wondering if indeed we struck a blow for justice and Shingen (may he rest in peace without his head). The constant references to "cold" in the writeup conjures up an image of a cold-blooded killer. Though his thought about disbelief in his master's death and a question about said death possibly not being real put a monkey wrench in my logic.

[Csargo]

I actually believe Ichigo is lurking because he is a mafia-role, and ever since I brought him up for his lurking, he has been voting against me basically straight.

:rolleyes: I voted you before you said I was lurking. :dizzy2:

[Yoyoma1910]

Yeah right. Tell it to Tee Boudreau for me. :wiseguy:

You mean Tit Boudreaux?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You mean Tit Boudreaux?

Mais, oui, bien-sur. I love the 'tit Boudreaux & "Ti-beh-doh" jokes. It's an illness....:shame:

[Yoyoma1910]

Mais, oui, bien-sur. I love the 'tit Boudreaux & "Ti-beh-doh" jokes. It's an illness....:shame:

Really... I have one:

What do you get when you put a little Cajun man on a 50-1 at the Kentucky derby?

[Andres]

~:confused: I thought Beskar was Tiberius Beskar. Did we just lose a player that was alive considering that both Stephen and Beskar are both alive? I'm lost.



Sorry, I meant Tiberius of the Drake. Was in a hurry last night and messed up the names.

[Beskar]

You know who I predict will die tonight? The 3 others on the innocent list, and that will leave me as the only one. Then everyone will just vote to lynch me off, saying I am some made-up because obviously, being on the list where everyone is getting lynched off, continued evidence and comments from pro-town roles saying I am actually innocent isn't enough for some people.

[KukriKhan]

Here ya go, mate:

https://jimcee.homestead.com/300px-Cheese_platter.jpg

have a bit o'cheese with yer... well, you know. :)

[Louis VI the Fat]

In this hour of need, it seems crucial I make my presence known. It was not CountArach I was looking for. So far, my calls have gone unheard. The right man, I hope, will know what to do.



Ears deaf, sobs silent
Eyes blind, mourners go unseen
Tears loosed over death

~-~-~-~-~-~-~<<oOo>>~-~-~-~-~-~-~


Dagger, plunge my heart
Death, cloak my mind in darkness
Soul, fly to my love

~-~-~-~-~-~-~<<oOo>>~-~-~-~-~-~-~

Senryu, not Haiku
Lament my early demise
Samurai: fight, win



~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~





Night 8 - Conclusion

Hour of the Boar

Kato Danzo was meditating on his bamboo mat. He could sit on it for hours contemplating the meaning of power. Real power. Ultimate power. The power of life and death. Occasionally, he took a nibble from the bowl of rice in front of him.


A masked warrior entered his tent and fell prone on the floor.

“Sensei,” the warrior uttered, “the hour has come near. We seek your guidance.”

Kato paused for a second and replied, “A wise man once said, strength is not found in skill in battle, it is found in wisdom...”

He reached into the folds of his kimono, and pulled out a handful of dust. With a wave of his hand, he sprinkled it over the rice bowl and pushed the bowl towards his student. The student quickly snatched the bowl of rice, bowed, and began to retreat from the tent.

Kato held up his hand and said “I have one more gift for you, an old curio from Tanegashima…”

He reached into his black chest and pulled out a long object wrapped in cloth.


~~~


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/katanavuur.jpg




Louis VI the Fat

Fujimoto Heikichi – spirit warrior

Konichi wa, Fujimoto-san :bow:

You are the spirit warrior. The master over life and death. You sleep by day, wander by night.

You are your own Lord. You live to serve only yourself.

In your youth, your life was saved by Takeda Shingen. Your hounour commands you to repay your debt. Only when you achieve this, will your spirit walk free.

*snipped*

Battle rating: 1

Abilities:
- During the day, you can vote for the players that you consider to be suspicous, as explained in the rules in the first post of the game thread.
- You can also challenge one other player to a duel during the day. If the kami of the mountain decide that you have to duel, then that duel will be fought at sunrise, right before the start of the next day.
- During the night, *snipped*

Victory conditions:
*snipped*
Gokouun o inorimasu (bonne chance)!

:bow:

[Chimpyang]

Ok, I'm back - and surprisingly still alive - has nobody replaced me?

[KukriKhan]

In this hour of need, it seems crucial I make my presence known. It was not CountArach I was looking for. So far, my calls have gone unheard. The right man, I hope, will know what to do.

Uuuuuu... lookie: twist #2. "Spirit Warrior". Nice.

[LittleGrizzly]

Cometh the hour, cometh the man!

Let us hope this 'spirit warrior' is our saviour...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Come on...hurry up. I'm taking chances here, don't know if I'll make it through the night a second time...:whip:

[shlin28]

Louis, why did you quote part of Andres' write up? I don't get the significance of that in connection with your role :dizzy2:

[Wishazu]

yep, please elaborate.

[TinCow]

Come on...hurry up. I'm taking chances here, don't know if I'll make it through the night a second time...:whip:

:inquisitive: You've been dead for half the game. You didn't even make it through the night the first time, let alone a second.

[Quintus.JC]

Is Louis just messing around here? :dizzy2:

[atheotes]

i just cant believe dead spirits will have a role in this story... Come on louis what are you upto? :inquisitive:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Come on people, I've been giving clues throughout the game. I couldn't fight until just rcently, which i why I had to avoid challenges so much. Let's say that now...I've 'found' my katana.
You know what they say, Chimpyang: a Samurai, a proud man of honour, does not for a challenge flee. When faced with adversity or possible death, honourable samurais rise up, draw swords, and face whatever may come!

I myself, however, couldn't care less about honour and shall remain hidden in a cupboard all night long...

Challenges, I think, are a waste of townies, so I shall not re-challenge to lower the chance of a duel between us. :grouphug:
To scare you off, and as a courtesy to CA, who asked for our battle ratings (PM to CA or publish them, those who haven't done so!): I am a veteran warrior with battle rating 'katana 8'. Or check CA's page, where I mentioned my 'huge' katana too, fishing for the proper response. Alas, it wasn't CA whom I needed.

Believe it or not. Hey, I seem to remember the very rules stating that CA was Shingen, which, as incredible as it sounds, wasn't so. There are more things in heaven and earth than you and I know. I guess you'll have to challenge me to find out - though I suggest townies refrain from trying. ~;)

I have spoken too much already...Must be fit for the night.

[Tiberius of the Drake]

SA said Tiberius of the Drake was replacing him, I think Andres messed up the name.

I am indeed replacing Asen-sama :bow:

[TinCow]

Come on people, I've been giving clues throughout the game. I couldn't fight until just rcently, which i why I had to avoid challenges so much. Let's say that now...I've 'found' my katana.Or check CA's page, where I mentioned my 'huge' katana too, fishing for the proper response. Alas, it wasn't CA whom I needed.

Right.... but you're dead. Since the rules state that you can't reveal after you're dead, that means your reveal is either fake or you're breaking the rules. Either way, it's not something we should be paying attention to.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I am not dead. I have not been living either.

Furthermore, the very rules say that CA is Takeda Shingen. This is not so, eh? The rules say many things. I say that you'll notice that Andres hasn't yet, nor will, remove, or asked me to do so, any of my reveal. Which proves your argument wrong.

Why do you want people to disbelieve me...? :inquisitive:

[TinCow]

I am not dead. I have not been living either.

Furthermore, the very rules say that CA is Takeda Shingen. This is not so, eh? The rules say many things. I say that you'll notice that Andres hasn't yet, nor will, remove, or asked me to do so, any of my reveal. Which proves your argument wrong.

Why do you want people to disbelieve me...? :inquisitive:

You're not dead?


Killed (27):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan
Sasaki Kojiro
CountArach
Gobbledygook

It doesn't prove my argument wrong, it just makes it more likely that you've posted a fake role PM. In any case, you're not saying anything that is remotely helping us anyway. All you're doing is confusing people. If you've got some magical role that is somehow alive when dead and can somehow still die even though you've already been killed off, perhaps you should say something concrete.

[Csargo]

So, uhhh, yeah....

[Andres]

~~~ Swords in the Moon ~~~





Night 9 - Conclusion



https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/pijl.jpg

Hour of the Rat

Kuroda Yoshitaka (Caius) was standing guard outside the yashiki, at the courtyard. He didn’t like standing guard outside, in the freezing cold, but at least, the walls of the yashiki provided some shelter against the blowing wind. It reminded him a bit of the cave near the village where he grew up. As a child, he used to play in there and one time, he had to stay in the cave because of a sudden snow storm, a warm fire his only companion.

He let a sigh or relief. Everything was quiet so far. Had they finally disposed off all the ninja?

Time passed and Kuroda was trying to polish a dull spot out of his brass armguard when a seemingly panicking and out of breath samurai ran up to him and pulled on his shoulder.

"Come quick! There's someone in the cellar, they're trying to poison our winter food store."

The samurai took off running with Caius tailing behind him. They ran up to their supply cellar, a room accessible through a small gate. The door stood flipped open. Kuroda turned to the other man and bravely said: “I was standing guard and I should have noticed this first. It’s my duty to enter that cellar before anyone else.”

Kuroda stepped forward and stared into the darkness. At that moment an arrow flew out of the shadows behind the men and pierced Kuroda’s back. At the same time, the man in front of him turned around and in a single motion drew his katana and drove it through Kuroda’s chest. He pushed the brave samurai’s body off his sword down the cellar stairs with his foot and shut the cellar door.



~~~




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Hour of the Rat

Watanabe Kyousuke (Wishazu) went to his room. He slided the door open and started to undress. As he was taking off his kimono, his memories brought him back to his mother, who had repaired this piece of clothing numerous times for him. He still remembered the frown on her face when she had washed it the last times; those blood stains were hard to get away indeed. Nonetheless, the old woman loved him with whole her heart. He smiled. Soon, there would be another woman doing all this little tasks for him. He couldn’t wait to go back home and meet some girls. One of the local young women already had shown interest and he knew his family would accept her.

These nice thoughts were a welcome relief from the attrocities that had been taking place the last few days. Finally undressed, he went to sleep.

A shrouded figure entered Watanabe’s room. He listened to the calm breathing of the sleeping samurai while his eyes adjusted to the darkness.

Earlier that night, he had been counting the rooms that had only empty straw cots in them. When he had passed over some of the empty cots, he had been smiling. He counted them again in his head...18...22...25....

His gaze now stopped at the a cot on which slept Watanabe, a fairly young samurai of no particular distinction. He was not of high rank, but did have a few scars he earned in battle, so it seemed.

The figure drew a long nodachi from a scabbard hanging off his shoulder, and with a swift silent cut separated the sleeping man's head from his body. The killer skilfully stopped the blade just before it would've cut the cot. He grabbed the severed head and escaped out of the tent.


~~~



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Hour of the Ox

Nakamura Kinji (White_Eyes) was standing guard. Nothing had happened thus far and he started to feel bored. The life of a samurai seemed adventurous to many people, but in reality, being a samurai was boring. People always thought of glorious battles and heroic deeds, but in fact, battles were few and most of the time, samurai were carrying out boring tasks, like standing guard on a silent, cold and uneventful night.

Nakamura was looking into the sky, counting the stars. He yawned out of pure boredom.

Suddenly, someone reached from behind and gagged his mouth. With the other hand the killer slit his throat with a sharp dagger.

The killer then threw the bleeding Nakamura to the ground, drove a dagger through his eye, and disappeared into the darkness. Nakamura would never feel bored again.


~~~


Day 9 - Samurai



https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/Kofu.jpg


Hour of the Rabbit




The samurai entered the courtyard early that morning. It didn’t take too long before they realized that there were only 12 of them left. Moral was getting low and it took a while before they realized that there was work to do.

An older samurai picked a long straw and a short straw. He walked towards those who were willing to duel and presented them the straws.

“Short straw will duel.”

Souma Tadayoshi (Seamus Fermanagh) stared at the short in the hands of Omura Sumitada (GeneralHankerchief).

The older samurai nodded at both men. “No armor, no hidden weapons. Just katana and wakizashi.”

Both duelists nodded at the older samurai and then bowed for each other.


https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Swords%20in%20the%20Moon/duel.jpg

Souma seemed to be in a hurry as he unsheated his both swords and stormed at Omura. Omura wasn’t surprised by this attack of the unexperienced samurai and blocked both swords easily. While Souma was trying to find his balance back, Omura managed to cut him in his leg.

Souma stepped backwards and seemed more careful. He struck quickly with is katana and Omura had difficulties to block the long blade. Still recovering from the blow, he hardly noticed Souma stabbing his wakizashi at him. He jumped aside, but the short sword ruined Omura’s kimono.

Encouraged, Souma attacked again, but now his opponent was ready. He jumped aside and injured Souma severely with a mighty blow from his katana. While his opponent was looking down at the small pool of blood underneath him, Omura’s katana beheaded him mercifully.

He nodded to the body of his opponent and then bowed to the samurai.

After were done with the proper rituals for the dead, the men started to discuss.

Again…




~~~

Alive (11):


GeneralHankerchief
Ichigo
Stephen Assen aka Tiberius of the Drake
Rhyfelwyr
Beskar
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
Dutch_guy



Killed (30):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter
The Spartan
Iskander III
Shinseikhaan
Olavi
Thermal Mercury
Chaotix27
pevergreen
Gregoshi
Reenk Roink
LittleGrizzly
Louis VI the Fat
Crazed Rabbit
A Very Super Market
Glenn
Husar
Death is yonder
Haudegen
Captain Blackadder
glyphz
Banquo's Ghost
Kukrikhan
Sasaki Kojiro
CountArach

Gobbledygook
Caius

Wishazu
White_Eyes:D


Fallen in battle (9):
Northnovas
Ignoramus
El Diablo
YLC
Beefy187
AggonyDuck
Yaropolk
atheotes
Seamus Fermanagh

Lynched (8):

Askthepizzaguy
Sigurd
shlin28
TosaInu
TinCow
Quintus.JC
Peasant Phill
FactionHeir


WoG/Suicide (6):
Xehh II
Jolt
Beaver
Tristan de Castelreng
Psychonaut
taka

~~~


It's now day. You can start voting. Day will be extended and will last for 36 hours (that's until 10.00 am (GMT+1)




:bow:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Rhyfelwyr

Gut feeling. I'm not liking this.

[Yoyoma1910]

Hmmm..


The ox,
He stands like Melpomene:
Mishappenings and tragedy.


And has suddenly returned.


Where has he been for all this time?

[Caius]

:bow:

People did not trust me. They thought I was in something. Now, are you pleased?

Glad to play this, even though university did not let me be very active.

I'd point at Beskar once more, but I'm not really sure anymore.

My corporse is cold,
but remember,
I did not die old (:shame: in that haiku)

[TinCow]

Basic math dictates that if there are at least 3 ninja left (which we appear to generally agree on), then the town loses if we do not lynch a ninja tonight. Get it right.

I find the fact that GH and Beskar have both survived this long disconcerting.

[Caius]

Challenge one of those if you believe that they are the mafia.

[TinCow]

Challenge one of those if you believe that they are the mafia.

Despite Louis' claims, I suspect being dead would prevent me from doing that.

[Yoyoma1910]

Challenge: Tiberius of the Drake


You seem to have brought the ox with you.

[Caius]

I could do what Louis can also.

[Yaropolk]

Despite Louis' claims, I suspect being dead would prevent me from doing that.

You should challenge Louis! Ghost Fight!

[Caius]

Challenge: Louis

[Beskar]

My prediction was wrong? Holy hell.

On the plus side, might give townies a chance.

And oh, Vote: Ichigo he scream Mafia like a wailing bashee in heat.

[Wishazu]

Dead before I could score any action with the ladies :(

DFOS Beskar I rekon he`s a ninja. He`s been far too outspoken in protesting his innocence.

If there is any hidden meaning in the room numbers during my death write up it will take a smarter person than me to figure it out.

[woad&fangs]

vote: Dutch Guy
I don't have a good reason. I'm just getting bad vibes from you.

Is there anyone that the ghosts would like to see me challenge?

[Yaropolk]

I'd try for Rhyfelwyr again. I've been chiming his bell for 5 rounds and nobody wants to listen.

[Csargo]

My prediction was wrong? Holy hell.

On the plus side, might give townies a chance.

And oh, Vote: Ichigo he scream Mafia like a wailing bashee in heat.

Yay for me!!!!

Vote:Beskar

[Dutch_guy]

I could do what Louis can also.


Challenge: Louis

Are you being serious here or what ?

:balloon2:

[FactionHeir]

Get rid of woad and kage already. Seriously.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I would like Kage to speak up a little more.

[woad&fangs]

We only have ninja left, right?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I say we lynch beskar.

[Husar]

Beskar, Kage, dutch_guy, apart from Beskar I'd say lynch the rather quiet guys, even if they claim they have some sort of real life (such a thing doesn't exist anyway).

[Gregoshi]

Caius' death indicates two assassins, just as Sasaki's did. Why all of a sudden this double teaming?

Wishazu's head was taken. Before Sasaki's death, the assassins did not do this. Why now?

Playing with the Wishazu numbers trying to find meaning and looking at the list of those left alive:

18 = 1+8 = 9 = woad&fangs 9th on the list
22 = 2+2 = 4 = Rhyfelwyr 4th on the list
25 = 2+5 = 7 = Chimpyang 7th on the list

Possible ninjas?

I'm not trying to say any of the above has any significance at all. I'm trying to stimulate some thinking. I've no clue and everyone seems to have different opinion on who to lynch.

BTW AggonyDuck, Chimpyang is missing from your analysis.

[Beskar]

I say we lynch beskar.

and ensure the Ninja and Traitor win by killing an innocent? Smart move.

Also, Challenge: Ichigo

He is a ninja and needs to go out of the game.

Edit:
Zomg significance, the person who avoided duelling has challenged some one a duel in order to attempt to get a mafia-role killed because of people who can't tell the difference between absolutely certain sure of innocence (like myself, and others on the list) and Mafia-role members.

[AggonyDuck]

I think it's possible that the ninjas killed a traitor tonight as one of the traitors was named Watanabe.

[woad&fangs]

Kukri, are you sure we have to lynch a ninja today to win? I really really want to vote Beskar out. My vote is going to stay on Dutch Guy unless someone has a really good argument for someone else. DG has a mere 15 posts in a game with over 2000. I know that there are other quiet players but none of DGs posts seem to be very analytical. I do wish that Kage would appear and add something to the conversation though. His insight would be greatly appreciated at this time.

[Gregoshi]

and ensure the Ninja and Traitor win by killing an innocent? Smart move.
Beskar, in nearly every post you make, you remind us how innocent you are. Even before BQ's reveal, you were doing so and seemed amazed that anyone would think otherwise simply on your word. Although you are on the innocent list, your constant screaming about your innocence is making me wonder if BQ was somehow duped. Beware he who screams the loudest and pointing his finger elsewhere. I dunno, I'm just sayin'.

Regarding Ichigo, how have you been on his tail? Aside from him voting for you, why else do you say he's a baddy? He and Stephen/Tiberius seemed to do a tag team on you. Early on Stephen was after you. On day 5 both Stephen and Ichigo voted for you and after BQ's reveal, Stephen left you go, but Ichigo stayed on you with his voting. What else do you have on Ichigo?

We are down to the point in the game where we cannot afford any more misses, so I think it behooves all of us with suspicions to state our cases completely. Gut feelings aren't enough anymore especially since our guts don't appear to be in agreement (and haven't worked either).

[Gregoshi]

His insight would be greatly appreciated at this time.
Since it appears that all the pro-townie roles (known) have been killed off, I don't see how the laying-low tactic is valid anymore. All true townies should be activitely participating at this point in the game. We are on the verge of extinction with the only consolation prize being that Uesugi Kenshin will be getting a sword up his keister whilst sitting on his "throne" some years down the road.

Well, that's the opinion of this mafia noobie anyway. :embarassed:

[Gregoshi]

I think it's possible that the ninjas killed a traitor tonight as one of the traitors was named Watanabe.
He'd be the third Watanabe to die I think (Yoyoma post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2226918&postcount=1481)). How many Watanabes could there be? It would be nice to think that one of them was the traitor, but it is hard to confirm.

[Beskar]

Beware he who screams the loudest and pointing his finger elsewhere. I dunno, I'm just sayin'.

Or it could be the case that people kep voting for me, regardless of the vast evidence that I am innocent and regardless, they continue suggesting I am not. Then we get to the end of the game, Andres will say that I was indeed innocent, then it is "Well, I kept telling you, but no.. you didn't listen" moment. Every round some one has voted for me or suggested it is me, twice there have been bandwagons. Not my fault people are being ignorant of facts.


Regarding Ichigo, how have you been on his tail? Aside from him voting for you, why else do you say he's a baddy? He and Stephen/Tiberius seemed to do a tag team on you. Early on Stephen was after you. On day 5 both Stephen and Ichigo voted for you and after BQ's reveal, Stephen left you go, but Ichigo stayed on you with his voting. What else do you have on Ichigo?

Many reasons, Stephen Asen was just a revenge vote, and when he was certain I was innocent, he decided to drop it. That is simply explained. Ichigo who was active in the beginning went lurking and all his posts have either been to misdirect the town and all his votes were against known innocents. Many circumstances and there is absolutely no shred of evidence that he is innocent in any shape or form.

[KukriKhan]

Kukri, are you sure we have to lynch a ninja today to win? I really really want to vote Beskar out. My vote is going to stay on Dutch Guy unless someone has a really good argument for someone else. DG has a mere 15 posts in a game with over 2000. I know that there are other quiet players but none of DGs posts seem to be very analytical. I do wish that Kage would appear and add something to the conversation though. His insight would be greatly appreciated at this time.

Yes, I am certain. Though I certainly understand your annoyance with Baskar-san and his perpetual proclmation of innocence, and degrading opinions of his fellow players.

I quote Gregoshi's recent post:


Since it appears that all the pro-townie roles (known) have been killed off, I don't see how the laying-low tactic is valid anymore. All true townies should be activitely participating at this point in the game. We are on the verge of extinction

to cite my wholehearted agreement: we gotta get us a ninja or traitor this day phase, and the next, or roll over and cede victory to the dark forces. So that, if for no other reason, they don't cackle in glee over their victory.

I can't wait for the host's summary and analysis, and the reveal of the "other" board, used by the bad guys - just to see how "off" or "on" we have been.

Kill the lurkers.

Or die.

[Beskar]

Then there is the whole argument you was a mafia-role, Kukrikhan and misleading us from some one who is in fact active mafia-role and target an innocent quiet person.

It was especially noticeable that the Ninja roles were confirmed to drop by two when Quintus and you got killed off.

Just saying.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I believe we're beyond the point of killing lurkers. We need to kill bad guys, regardless of how (in)active they may be. Now, my vote is on Rhyfelwyr because I believe him to be a ninja. The fact that he is the last of the pevers don't necessarily jive with me, and I don't quite like how he's pretty much slid by these past couple of days without any suspicion or contribution.

I would also like to hear from Kage as well, as this is usually the point where he steps up and leads his side, whichever it may be, to victory. Alas, I can only vote for one person at a time however, and thus I'm sticking with Rhyfelwyr.

[KukriKhan]

Then there is the whole argument you was a mafia-role, Kukrikhan and misleading us from some one who is in fact active mafia-role and target an innocent quiet person.

It was especially noticeable that the Ninja roles were confirmed to drop by two when Quintus and you got killed off.

Just saying.

Yes, I can see how the Detective BG's less-than-innocent result on me marked me as a potential bad guy. To this day, I don't know why that result occured. Hopefully, the Host's aftergame writeup will reveal that reason. So, I didn't mind the resulting suspicion and votes.

But, I got killed by bad guys in a night phase, not lynched like Q in a day phase.

And I never voted or challenged you - though in retrospect, maybe I should have. Not that it would have quieted you down; nothing seems to have that particular effect. You have proclaimed your innocence far and wide, repeatedly ad nausium, and I must applaud your level of participation, while also noting your continual disparging of any voter having doubts about your lily-white reputation.

If I were alive, I would challenge you this day.

However, I digress. Kill the lurkers.

[Beskar]

Well, I let you into a secret. Don't hurt the lily and there won't be any disparging.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Now that I am dead, I feel wonderfully relaxed.


We don't have ANY useful information with which to pick lynch targets. The only, and very limited, exception in GBG's innocent list. Most of the ones on this list have been prime targets for the various murderers.

We still have two killing factions -- with the ninja numbers unknown.

It is getting too late to kill lurkers to kill lurkers -- GH is correct about that. But you have no reliable information to base your assessments on. Nor do you have time to force the lurkerish ones:

Kage, Dutch, Ichigo, ajax....have lurked and are successful with that strategy. EDIT: well, to be fair Ichi hasn't lurked. I'm used to him doing so pretty much every game, but here he has not. Kage has only two more posts than I, despite me lurking for more than half the game. I also have seven more posts than ajax and Dutch combined! Also, when was the last time you saw Ducky post 74 times! I cannot recall any game where that happened. ah well....


What we should NOT do is vote small.

We have at least two groups of killers and as many as 5 are bad guys. WHOMEVER you pick, ALL votes must settle on that choice so that it cannot be derailed by final switches.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Unvote: Rhyfelwyr
Vote: Dutch_guy

I think I'm getting paranoid. Upon second thought, Dutch's behavior is reminding me all too well of when he was mafia in Mafia VI. Bare minimum of activity, almost zero suspicion throughout the game... this is pretty scary. And it's making me go slowly crazy. We usually have something to work with here.

[ajaxfetish]

Kage, Dutch, Ichigo, ajax....have lurked and are successful with that strategy. EDIT: well, to be fair Ichi hasn't lurked. I'm used to him doing so pretty much every game, but here he has not. Kage has only two more posts than I, despite me lurking for more than half the game. I also have seven more posts than ajax and Dutch combined!

What we should NOT do is vote small.

We have at least two groups of killers and as many as 5 are bad guys. WHOMEVER you pick, ALL votes must settle on that choice so that it cannot be derailed by final switches.
Mainly I just wish I had something to say. I've had virtually no idea who to suspect throughout the game. I'm astonished that I've lived so long, and frustrated that I still haven't a good notion how to contribute to a town victory.

Anyway, in the interests of 'not voting small,' it looks like Dutch Guy has the most votes, and I've no reason to suspect anyone else more than him, so

vote: Dutch Guy

And since I don't really trust his vote record, and I haven't got to use my challenge ability yet,

challenge: Ichigo

Ajax

[Gregoshi]

Mainly I just wish I had something to say. I've had virtually no idea who to suspect throughout the game.
Ditto, but by tossing out ideas or oddities I note, I hope to trigger a thought process in someone else who hopefully can make something happen.

Just noticed your custom title - "Paladin Wan(ta)nabe"... :inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Dutch guy is acting normal, which makes GH suspicious I guess. Though there isn't much to go on this game. Beskar should still be lynched just because.

[Dutch_guy]

I can't defend myself against a bandwagon, as that's what this is. I'm never that active, and usually at one point pay the price for it - smart move on part of the mafia if that's why they kept me alive: they earn a free lynch.

My death will not help the town win this, that's all I know, but perhaps Beskar's will:

Vote: Beskar.

:balloon2:

[AggonyDuck]

I'd recommend lynching Rhyfelwyr.

[Beskar]

Beskar should still be lynched just because.

Well, if you are going to play it that way. Let's see you fight back now.

*Gets a red hot poker and goes to where the Corpse of Sasaki Kojiro is laying*

Now then... which part of your body are you willing to have missing for the afterlife?




My death will not help the town win this, that's all I know, but perhaps Beskar's will:

Vote: Beskar.

:balloon2:

Yeah, because lynching a known innocent will actually help the town, obviously.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, if you are going to play it that way. Let's see you fight back now.

*Gets a red hot poker and goes to where the Corpse of Sasaki Kojiro is laying*

Now then... which part of your body are you willing to have missing for the afterlife?

You just admitted to being guilty.

[Beskar]

No, I just threatened a ghost who keeps speaking on lynching some one "for the lulz"/"just because" with removing body parts from their corpse to deprive them in the afterlife.

A confession of any form of guilt would have been "I enjoyed ridding you of your miserable life", unfortunately, I don't have such a pleasure.

[Gregoshi]

You just admitted to being guilty.
Yeah, he needs to work on his poker face.

[Gregoshi]

Just stating your vote without reason isn't helping the cause. We need to focus on a smartly selected target.

As for cases, assuming Beskar reported accurately, ajaxfetish's observed activities early in the game, while telling, did not carry much weight because he could have had a pro-town role. However, now that all the (known) pro-town roles are dead, his activities seem to hang a "bad guy" sign around his neck.

While Rhyfelwyr has the rap of being the last standing pever, there were four pevers but the ninjas got only three kills. This left Rhyfelwyr in a bad spot, it seems unlikely he's a baddie.

Dutch_guy's inactivity and spotty voting record early on sends a FoS his way, but I think ajaxfetish has a stronger case.

Forget Beskar, he says he's innocent. That's good enough for me. ~:pat:

Therefore, I suggest ajaxfetish for lynching but D_g is a good alternative.

[Beskar]

Hard to explain as there is a really strong gut feeling I had since a while ago for Ichigo. I had suspicions since early on and I wanted BG to investigate him for me, however, BQ didn't live that night. However, look at Ichigo's case, there is nothing that even suggests a town-role, any form of aid, advice or logic. He has repeatedly voted on bandwagons or against innocents. Hell, he has never actually denied being a mafia-role either when accused.

Even then, there is as you said:


Something that stands out from Duck's analysis, is Ichigo voting for Beskar almost every night since BQ put Beskar in the innocent list.

[FactionHeir]

woad is screaming guilt at me. Completely avoids "plays cool" any accusation by talking about something completely unrelated as if nothing else was ever said.

[Husar]

:laugh4:

My analysis says 90% chance the town will lose this.

The thing about Beskar is this, if he is the ninja master and turned up innocent, but is the only remaining person of BG's innocent list who is still alive, then wouldn't he have framed himself by killing off all the other suspects? Ultimately this ends up as a mafia in front of you as everything else does but at the moment I tend towards letting him live and killing dutch_guy, Ichigo, Kage. :shrug:

[Kagemusha]

Have you guys gone utterly mad? This very well might be our final round when we have even slightest chance to still win the mafia and people start randomly challenging people like this.:stwshame: Are you guys in hurry to loose to the mafia?

1st point is that the only thing we can base anything is Banguos list and people voting others from that list are either acting like buffoons or they are scum. Also Yoyoma1910 now suddenly starts challenging people with nonsensical reasoning. Have you run out of poems or could you be in bit of a hurry to ensure mafia victory? If there is anyone scummy among the people left its him. Vote: Yoyoma1910

[TinCow]

Playing with the Wishazu numbers trying to find meaning and looking at the list of those left alive:

18 = 1+8 = 9 = woad&fangs 9th on the list
22 = 2+2 = 4 = Rhyfelwyr 4th on the list
25 = 2+5 = 7 = Chimpyang 7th on the list

I started playing around with those numbers as well when I saw them, but was applying them to (1) the list of dead players and (2) the raw list of starting players. I came up with nothing useful.

Using those same numbers (18, 22, 25) as a straight substitution cipher results in:
18 = R
22 = V
25 = Y

RVY is not the same as RHY(felwyr), but it is surprisingly close. :shrug:

[Yaropolk]

Sasaki, why are you so focused on lynching Beskar?

[KukriKhan]

I started playing around with those numbers as well when I saw them, but was applying them to (1) the list of dead players and (2) the raw list of starting players. I came up with nothing useful.

Using those same numbers (18, 22, 25) as a straight substitution cipher results in:
18 = R
22 = V
25 = Y

RVY is not the same as RHY(felwyr), but it is surprisingly close. :shrug:

I just took the sequence as the killer noting the mounting number of kills, night-to-night. But I admit, I wondered if they (the numbers) referred to players, too.

[Gregoshi]

I started playing around with those numbers as well when I saw them, but was applying them to (1) the list of dead players and (2) the raw list of starting players...
I did the same. The addition track was the only thing that yielded results that made complete sense. I was getting excited with the "R-V-Y" thing until I couldn't go anywhere else with it.

The numbers are too unusual to not have significant (why not 10, 20, 30?). But I'll be darned if I can pull any meaning out of it. It was worth a shot.

[Csargo]

Hard to explain as there is a really strong gut feeling I had since a while ago for Ichigo. I had suspicions since early on and I wanted BG to investigate him for me, however, BQ didn't live that night. However, look at Ichigo's case, there is nothing that even suggests a town-role, any form of aid, advice or logic. He has repeatedly voted on bandwagons or against innocents. Hell, he has never actually denied being a mafia-role either when accused.

Even then, there is as you said:

How long ago?

Oh, btw I'm innocent.

[Yoyoma1910]

Have you guys gone utterly mad? This very well might be our final round when we have even slightest chance to still win the mafia and people start randomly challenging people like this.:stwshame: Are you guys in hurry to loose to the mafia?

1st point is that the only thing we can base anything is Banguos list and people voting others from that list are either acting like buffoons or they are scum. Also Yoyoma1910 now suddenly starts challenging people with nonsensical reasoning. Have you run out of poems or could you be in bit of a hurry to ensure mafia victory? If there is anyone scummy among the people left its him. Vote: Yoyoma1910

What crime is it
For me to desire
Post be made
In a format
More simple
And elegant?

And how is my reasoning nonsensical?

A replacement arrives, and the OX houred killer,
Who stabs in the eyes returns.

Tell me the nonsense in challenging the man who arrived?

Why do you find it so?


Defend your accusation.

[Beskar]

Oh, btw I'm innocent.

Well, you convinced me to change my vote. :juggle2:

Got any reasons for people not to vote for you? Any evidence or proof of your innocent? People have been lynched for less suspicion than you.


Edit: I am actually the last person on the innocent list? Looks like my prediction was correct then, I thought two of the people who were killed were not on it. Doh....

[Yaropolk]

I am actually the last person on the innocent list? Looks like my prediction was correct then, I thought two of the people who were killed were not on it. Doh....

That is not the case:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227396#post2227396

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Sasaki, why are you so focused on lynching Beskar?

Sasaki is still convinced that BG's innocent list features a hidden "godfather" of the ninjas and that ending everyone on that list will produce a win.

[Kagemusha]

What crime is it
For me to desire
Post be made
In a format
More simple
And elegant?

And how is my reasoning nonsensical?

A replacement arrives, and the OX houred killer,
Who stabs in the eyes returns.

Tell me the nonsense in challenging the man who arrived?

Why do you find it so?


Defend your accusation.

Well my friend because if you think he might be guilty, surely you should vote for him and make a case against him,no? Also now that our numbers are low why are you risking your own life in duel and die in vain, if you are just an innocent townie with low duel rate? Could the reason be that you are not worried about dying in the duel because you have a high duel rating. Thus we are back at my original case against you.

[Yoyoma1910]

Well my friend because if you think he might be guilty, surely you should vote for him and make a case against him,no? Also now that our numbers are low why are you risking your own life in duel and die in vain, if you are just an innocent townie with low duel rate? Could the reason be that you are not worried about dying in the duel because you have a high duel rating. Thus we are back at my original case against you.

There is a chance I may die,
But should prefer it be with honor in battle.


Rather than in bed,
Like some turtle
Slumbering
In the afternoon sun.

And if the Count has posted
Accurately,
Our ratings are reasonably
The same.

My vote:
I am still contemplating
Who is leading,
And who is following.

[Kagemusha]

There is a chance I may die,
But should prefer it be with honor in battle.


Rather than in bed,
Like some turtle
Slumbering
In the afternoon sun.

And if the Count has posted
Accurately,
Our ratings are reasonably
The same.

My vote:
I am still contemplating
Who is leading,
And who is following.

Surely this is no talk of Samurai. You live to die for your master. Your petty ambitions should not interfere you from protecting him with your life. If you die in vain you have failed your master and yourself by not being there to protect him.

[Yoyoma1910]

You are a coward!

Challenge me!



Or are you simply some peasant with a stick?

[Yaropolk]

Yoyoma's argument about the ox may hold some water, don't condemn him yet. Your poems are really annoying though :beam:

Two of Beskar's challengers from last night bit the dust - I think he does protest too much. We should really lynch him, I dont know how he survived this long.

[Yoyoma1910]

Yoyoma's argument about the ox may hold some water, don't condemn him yet. Your poems are really annoying though :beam:




You insult my art?


Challenge me!


:clown:

[Beskar]

Sasaki is still convinced that BG's innocent list features a hidden "godfather" of the ninjas and that ending everyone on that list will produce a win.

Only hidden godfather would have been Kurkirkhan, who was innocent with a weird explanation compared to everyone else, but he got lynched.

The innocent list other than that were all innocent and everone on it dying.. yeah... self-explanatory

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, I think considering my duel record, we can all agree that I can hold my own in a duel. Therefore, I propose my services to the town. Tell me who to challenge and I'll do as you wish. If I fall, especially easily, you guys know who to go after. I think the time has come where we have more suspects than rounds. Therefore, it's time to coordinate.

[Yoyoma1910]

Vote:Tiberius of the Drake formerly known as Stephen Assen.


It is the strongest lead I have for now.

[Yoyoma1910]

unvote:Tiberius


Actually, I should like to think about it more.

[Beskar]

Tiberius is innocent.

Also, I think all those not ont he innocent list should duel eachother, as it is one of them.

[Yoyoma1910]

Tiberius is innocent.

Well then, who is guilty?

[Kagemusha]

You are a coward!

Challenge me!



Or are you simply some peasant with a stick?

No. I am a samurai and loyal servant of my Lord. Not a fool throwing challenges around.

~;)

[Yoyoma1910]

No. I am a samurai and loyal servant of my Lord. Not a fool throwing challenges around.

~;)

Sure you are.


Vote: Kagemusha

[Beskar]

Not Mafia-roles
Beskar
Stephen Assen aka Tiberius of the Drake
GeneralHankerchief

Possible Mafia-role
Ichigo
Rhyfelwyr
Kagemusha
Chimpyang
Yoyoma1910
woad&fangs
ajaxfetish
Dutch_guy



I would argue to vote for Ichigo.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

hmm, well I support a beskar lynch on principle.

Ichigo always lurks, he could be mafia but there is no evidence.

Rhyfelwyr has acted strange. Good lynch, but his first game so no comparison.

Kage seems normal.

Chimpyang is quiet, couldn't say why without a reread. Decent suspct.

Yoyo doesn't seem different than normal. Neither do woad and fangs, ajax, and dutch_guy, but they all could have put up that appearance.

Who is left over after we cut out the people from the innocent list and everyone who made a challenge before today?

Also, what is the vote count?

If I had to pick three it would be rhyelwyr, chimp, and beskar.

[atheotes]

Okay, I think considering my duel record, we can all agree that I can hold my own in a duel. Therefore, I propose my services to the town. Tell me who to challenge and I'll do as you wish. If I fall, especially easily, you guys know who to go after. I think the time has come where we have more suspects than rounds. Therefore, it's time to coordinate.

You should probably challenge rhyf or beskar - hopefully one of them will be the lynch target and you can challenge the other...
rhyf has gone into lurking and has been more active in other parts of the forum...
Beskar - he is been hyper actively using BG's list as his defense - trying too much... i actually cant believe he still hasnt been lynched....

[Beskar]

hmm, well I support a beskar lynch on principle.


The principle I am still alive and you are not and you keep trying to get a bandwagon against me even though I am innocent?



Beskar - he is been hyper actively using BG's list as his defense - trying too much... i actually cant believe he still hasnt been lynched....

It is more people keep on ignoring a pro-town detectives innocent list which says who is innocent and keep trying to lynch innocent people. Not my fault people keep to be told like a broken record.

[AggonyDuck]

I think we can assume that Chimpiyang is innocent as he had a long absence between the 2nd of May and his last post.

[Gregoshi]

Beskar... i actually cant believe he still hasnt been lynched....
He has been a lynch target since day one, yet never rose to the top of the list. We're gonna be kicking ourselves if he turns out to be on the dark side.

I still don't know why innocent townies would be running silent now and thus casting suspicion upon them rather than a real target. Therefore, one begins to think the suspicions are well founded.

Chimpyang was suposedly afkb for a few days, posted he has returned after last night's action and is surprised that he is still alive, yet what is the difference? He has been silent anyway.

If not my prime recommendation of ajaxfetish, then Rhyfelwyr, Ichigo or Chimpyang appear to be good targets, in that order.

[Gregoshi]

I think we can assume that Chimpiyang is innocent as he had a long absence between the 2nd of May and his last post.
Yeah, but he's not posted anything in 20 hours since his "return". That's not helping the cause.

We are down to the end game and there is a surprising lack of interest in the game from too many of the players that are still alive. Or so it seems. Is this normal? What am I missing about strategy at this point of the game that would account for the silence?

[Csargo]

Well, you convinced me to change my vote. :juggle2:

Got any reasons for people not to vote for you? Any evidence or proof of your innocent? People have been lynched for less suspicion than you.


Edit: I am actually the last person on the innocent list? Looks like my prediction was correct then, I thought two of the people who were killed were not on it. Doh....

What? You don't believe me? Well I guess only you can say that and it be true.

I've been fairly active I think(60ish posts), which means at least to me I'm not a lurker like you claim. I don't really know what the rest of your "case" against me is though. I told you I was innocent but you didn't believe me:bigcry:

[AggonyDuck]

Yeah, but he's not posted anything in 20 hours since his "return". That's not helping the cause.


Well Chimpyang had a five day absence without logging on. Either it is an elaborate scheme or he is innocent. My bet is on the latter.

[Yaropolk]

Well Chimpyang had a five day absence without logging on. Either it is an elaborate scheme or he is innocent. My bet is on the latter.

Why wasn't he wog'd?

[Csargo]

If not my prime recommendation of ajaxfetish, then Rhyfelwyr, Ichigo or Chimpyang appear to be good targets, in that order.

What did I ever do to you Gregoshi? Why does you want me deadzies? :end:

[ajaxfetish]

As for cases, assuming Beskar reported accurately, ajaxfetish's observed activities early in the game, while telling, did not carry much weight because he could have had a pro-town role. However, now that all the (known) pro-town roles are dead, his activities seem to hang a "bad guy" sign around his neck.

First of all, it was Stephen Asen who accused me in the early game. Second, I denied having a pro-town special role then . . . because I don't have one. I explained my actions from the beginning as a personal role-play, because I didn't expect to live too long based on my previous game and didn't want to get too bored with the night phases.

That said, I have no idea who's guilty, so I'm just as expendable as any of our few remaining townies.

Ajax

[Beskar]

Ichigo's sarcastic style is a confession of him being a mafia-role.

[Gregoshi]

You are right ajaxfetish, it was Stephen. My bad. I've little to go on as far as guilt too. But what are your thoughts on the various FoS's that have been tossed out? Surely you must have some thought on the rightness or wrongness of at least ONE of them (besides your own). Give us a hand please.

Ichigo, I have nothing against you. You are Glorious. However, you are alive and thus a prime candidate for being bad Glorious. Sorry, but life sucks, as they say. Unfortunately, death sucks more. :shame:

AD, I'm talking about Chimpyang since he "returned" yesterday. "I'm back!" and then...nothing.

Gotta run and get food. I'm "cooking" tonight. :laugh4:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ichigo's sarcastic style is a confession of him being a mafia-role.

Explain. I would like to hear this out.

[Csargo]

Ichigo's sarcastic style is a confession of him being a mafia-role.

You spent the whole first half of the game saying you were innocent and expecting everyone to believe you, but now you don't believe me. Attacking everyone who voted against you and just kept repeating "I'm innocent" when no one had a reason to believe you. Even though BG investigated you that doesn't make you innocent. The likelyhood of Andres giving the ninja-master the ability to fool an investigation is pretty high I think, possibly some of the ninja.

[Beskar]

While all you do is not say much and if anyone accuses you. "Yay for me!" "why me dedz :(" etc you aren;t taking it seriously.

[GeneralHankerchief]

How does that relate to mafia-esque behavior though? Just because you're not taking something seriously doesn't mean you're automatically a villain. If anything, I, as a villain, would take things even more seriously because I know one misstep means you're screwed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

BTW beskar, I'd like to point out that in mafia, failing 99% of the time does not lead to success.

[TinCow]

Lynch Beskar. Anyone who emphasize their own innocence unprompted every single day needs to have that theory tested in reality.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lynch Beskar. Anyone who emphasize their own innocence unprompted every single day needs to have that theory tested in reality.

:yes:

[Beskar]

WIFOM Terrority. Innocent people stop when security say halt, guilty don't.

[Husar]

Yeah, but he's not posted anything in 20 hours since his "return". That's not helping the cause.

We are down to the end game and there is a surprising lack of interest in the game from too many of the players that are still alive. Or so it seems. Is this normal? What am I missing about strategy at this point of the game that would account for the silence?

It's not necessarily a lack of interest, keep in mind the ninjas also have some considerable voting power in the end game and a lack of discussion means more confused townies, more wrong lynches etc. In other words, they'll probably win anyway because most of the discussion at the moment looks to me like "I'm right!" - "No, I'm right!" - "No, you're all wrong and I'm right!" with hardly anything to go by, if you're going to believe everyone who says they're innocent then we probably have eliminated the ninjas already. :laugh4:
That's the funny thing about Beskar saying he is innocent and then calling that evidence, he has a bit more of a case since BG's list so I think he is being framed now as he caught suspicion before and is generally acting a bit annoying but that alone doesn't make him guilty, if he had his friends kill everyone on the list except himself, that would have been an incredibly stupid move but here we are at vodka in front of my horse again as they could have calculated exactly that, blablabla, still a daring move though so he might deserve to win if that was the plan(and they're most likely going to win now anyway as noone has an idea and everybody is/plays confused, discussions are being ignored etc.).

Whether anyone is acting normal or not according to Sasaki I wouldn't go by that, I personally remember Ichigo as one of the two most active players in mafia games and especially Kage would not show anything as he is one of the best mafiosi/ninjas around. I'm not sure about dutch_guy but I remember people saying he'd be more active towards the end which doesn't really seem to be the case here, yet sasaki says he is acting normal. :dizzy2:
Some of the others I've never played mafia games with before so it's hard to say much about them, could be anything, hard to say anything about them for me.

So in the end I'd say everybody who tries to focus on Beskar, except Sasaki, is somewhat supicious, lynching Ichigo might be a good idea for now.

[Beskar]

The Mafia plan is simple, they will kill all the innocents bar myself, then when I am the only innocent left, they will go "lol, try to get out of this now" and any other innocents would just join the bandwagon against me and ensure they win. That is the Mafia tactic and the reason I am still in the game. It is thanks to people who are on the dimmer side of the light bulb which are obsessed with lynching me which allows it to happen in the mafia's favour. In other words, Mafia-role want to purposely have suspicions against me and use me as their scape-goat.

Magical.

That is how I have been in the game so long and it is what I purposely played to in the beginning. Hell, I even said it near the beginning, go and read it.



So in the end I'd say everybody who tries to focus on Beskar, except Sasaki, is somewhat supicious, lynching Ichigo might be a good idea for now.

Exactly.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That's why we should lynch rhyfelwyr today.

[Csargo]

Whether anyone is acting normal or not according to Sasaki I wouldn't go by that, I personally remember Ichigo as one of the two most active players in mafia games and especially Kage would not show anything as he is one of the best mafiosi/ninjas around. I'm not sure about dutch_guy but I remember people saying he'd be more active towards the end which doesn't really seem to be the case here, yet sasaki says he is acting normal. :dizzy2:
Some of the others I've never played mafia games with before so it's hard to say much about them, could be anything, hard to say anything about them for me.

Husar when was the last time you played a mafia game with me?

[Beskar]

That's why we should lynch rhyfelwyr today.

"Lynch Beskar! Lynch Rhyfelwyr! That is it, Lynch Everybody!!!"

[Sasaki Kojiro]

"Lynch Beskar! Lynch Rhyfelwyr! That is it, Lynch Everybody!!!"

You just confessed to being mafia.

[GeneralHankerchief]

But Beskar, wasn't there a stretch when you had relatively little suspicion on you?

[Beskar]

You just confessed to being mafia.

Yes, because doing an impression of you, is obviously a confession. You know, since lynching happens at the end of the day phase and you keep saying to lynch people randomly.


But Beskar, wasn't there a stretch when you had relatively little suspicion on you?

I always had some one vote for me on every round. Little suspicion would imply 2 votes opposed to 7 on some rounds. People just like to bandwagon. You know, having evidence you are innocent, having pro-town roles having to investigate you and turn up innocent, and probably even Kami saying I am innocent won't even let people accept the fact I am. Hell, even if I get killed by the mafia tonight, they will still say I am not innocent.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Challenge: Rhyfelwyr

-edit- Woo, 2000! :medievalcheers: