The Shadow Fort [Concluded]

[Crazed Rabbit]

Happy Easter to all!

A note that the write up may be delayed somewhat.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Shadow Fort, Day Ten

There was something unusual about the air that night. It was warm. Or, more accurately, not quite as freezing as the past week and a half. And though it was cloudy, no snow fell.

Much of the night was silent. One man hurried quickly through the fort as the dark hours before dawn approached.

Atheotes kept a cautious eye on his surroundings. He had learned things about surviving he would not have cared to learn during his time in the fort. He kept them in mind nevertheless, and kept his hand close to the hilt of his sword.

The door of the tavern was in sight when the crossbow bolts shot out of the darkness. One missed, but the other hit his stomach. Atheotes grimaced, stifled a cry of pain, and then drew his sword. In the faint torchlight he could make out the shape of a man approaching him from near the tavern.

In fear, he turned his head and saw someone coming at him from behind, much closer. Both men were well armed, with weapons out. Atheotes raised his sword and struck at his attacker. The aim was true; directly at the neck of his enemy, who still had his sword lowered, and only seemed to lazily start raising it as Atheotes’ sword approached his neck.

But then Atheotes’ sword was deflected; his attacker’s sword in place guarding his neck. Then the attacker struck back. Atheotes leaped back and dodged the blow. He raised his sword to strike again, doubly determined.

The second attacker was behind him already; he held a morningstar, and it was plain from the way he held it that he knew how to use it. Atheotes had not heard him approach. The attacker quickly struck at Atheotes with the morningstar.

It hit Atheotes in the center of the back and broke his spine. Atheotes’ resolve faltered as he tumbled forward, crying out in pain, dropping his sword in order to try to cushion his fall with his hands.

The attacker with the morningstar smiled, then looked out into the darkness to make sure no one approached, while the other bent down, sword still in hand, and turned Atheotes onto his back.

Grabbing hold of Atheotes throat, this attacker lifted him into the air with one arm. Atheotes struggled to loosen the grip around his throat, but his attacker did not mean to strangle him. Instead, he moved Atheotes and held him up against a nearby wall; extending his arm so that Atheotes’s head was a foot higher than his attacker’s.

Then he took his sword and placed it under Atheotes’ chin, who was increasingly panicked. The attacker smiled cruelly, then jerked the sword up, cutting the flesh of his neck and causing blood to pour out, down his body and running down the length of the sword. With one last gasp the life slipped from Atheotes.
But the attacker was not done. He let go of Atheotes throat, keeping him against the wall with his sword. Then he drew a dagger and impaled it through the forehead, crunching through the skull.

Only then, putting a hand against the torso of the body, did he withdraw his sword. The body fell with a dull thud into the snow, still bleeding.

The attacker stood a moment, looking at the body. Then he glanced at his sword, dripping with blood. Seemingly filled with trepidation, he raised the sword to his mouth, and licked the warm blood from the length of it. His face shuddered in ecstasy, and he looked up to the black sky with wonder in his eyes.

The other attacker smiled deeply as the first turned to look at him.

They spoke some low words that no one could hear. The expression of the man who had finished off Atheotes changed from wonder to a cruel smile. The two men walked off, disappearing into the darkness.


It was near dawn in another part of the fort. Two men crept from shadow to shadow, swords in hand. They looked behind them, and crept softly through the snow.

Their target was the ever-increasing pile of bodies near a wall of the fort. With swords out, and scanning constantly, they approached on body. It was that of Ibn-Khaldun.

His face was in the same contorted position it was when he was hung, and several nights of snow covered his body. One man reached down to push off the snow while the other kept his sword pointed at the corpse. The first man then took out a hatchet and began hacking through the neck. The flesh had frozen, and it was hard work. The corpse remained unmoving.

But the task was completed soon enough. The men were not done, though; one produced more items from a pack, and they set about doing more things to Ibn-khaldun’s corpse. With more holes in the body than when the night began, the men stepped back to consider their work.

“Well?” asked one.

The other frowned, frustrated, “I don’t think so.”

With a glance about the area, they returned to the darkness.


“A corpse was desecrated? Are you sure you speak the truth?” an incredulous Gerard asked.

“Quite sure – I skipped ahead in the report you’re reading,” replied Hans.

“And only one living man killed? Well that’s good, I suppose. Better to kill someone already dead.”

“And we don’t even have to move the body! How convenient!”

“Indeed. Well, I suppose I’ll address the crowd, or really just the last to die! Ha! I suppose the keep makes a fitting gravestone,” laughed Gerard.

“They shall find us cold men when this is over!” added Hans.

Ten men, including Gerard, had gathered in the hall. The rest kept residence near the fort walls.

“Welcome, my fellows, to the end! Look to your right, then your left. On each side you will find a killer, stained with the blood of others,” Gerard smiled broadly, “But don’t worry to much. The killers we must hang are only those who want to kill us all, not those who simply have killed most of us! All you have to do is discern the two!” He grinned madly.

“Oh, right, we have gathered some information about the dead. Beefy, Scienter and Renata were all travelers. Beefy had a violin, while Scienter was found with a maile shirt. Renata had the crumbled remains of a cake in her clothing.

“But we found a variety of weapons in the room of Reenk Roink. From what we could find, he was some sort of killer for hire. A man with blood on his hands killed by those with blood on their hands!

“How the path of murder circles around! Who here, I wonder, helped kill him? Who here will kill his killers? Is it not exciting?” the mad grin returned.

“One can’t complain about the quality of the last act, or the importance of our part, if we are to die here,” said Hans.

Gerard turned towards him and continued grinning, “Indeed! What a blessing to live these hours!”

Hans stopped smiling, and said nothing more.

It is now the day phase! This phase will last for 30 hours, until 8 pm PST Monday April 5th.


Alive:
Beskar
Jolt
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Sigurd


Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6
Beefy187 D7
Captain Blackadder D8
Yaseikhaan D9


Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6
Scienter N7
Reenk Roink N7
Renata N7
Methos N8
Csargo N8
ACIN N8
spL1tp3r50naL1ty N8
atheotes N9

Forced to Wander the Snow:
Double A

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There's basically only two people who could be our killers I think. Maybe three.

[Reenk Roink]

Awesome! Go Turks! :2thumbsup: Win or lose, you smoked the town like a bad cigar, I gotta lessen my criticism of you just because of you living past this round. :yes:

[seireikhaan]

Have fun with your remaining days, town. :mellow:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I think it is insulting to do this with my dead body! Can't I just rest in peace? :brood:

[TinCow]

2 attackers last night and 2 people attempting to descrate a corpse is too many to be anything but the work of the Palatinate group. We're probably totally outnumbered now, but it's worth a shot. Let's start with the worst of them:

Vote: Sasaki

[Reenk Roink]

Their 4 members 5 of you or else you would have lost.

[TinCow]

Their 4 members 5 of you or else you would have lost.

Yeah, but their killing power is far greater than ours... which is why Sasaki has to go first, since he can kill solo.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

TinCow. There are only 2 bad guys left. Why do you have a problem with a corpse being desecrated?

We'll see who it is shortly I think.

[Kagemusha]

TinCow. There are only 2 bad guys left. Why do you have a problem with a corpse being desecrated?

We'll see who it is shortly I think.

So you claim to know who the mafia are?

[TinCow]

TinCow. There are only 2 bad guys left. Why do you have a problem with a corpse being desecrated?

We'll see who it is shortly I think.

You insult me by thinking I'm that stupid at this point in the game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I have no idea what your theory is. That the paladins are a mafia team? It seems likely that someone has a double role, I have my suspicions about that. But not 4 people like you suggest. It seems like just 2.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: No Lynch unless I get something more conclusive from the investigators.

IMO the dead are responsible, and two aren't actually dead.

[TinCow]

Vote: No Lynch unless I get something more conclusive from the investigators.

IMO the dead are responsible, and two aren't actually dead.

Since you were clearly in on the lies being spread around last night, mind explaining what really happened instead of what you said would happen?

[TinCow]

I have no idea what your theory is. That the paladins are a mafia team? It seems likely that someone has a double role, I have my suspicions about that. But not 4 people like you suggest. It seems like just 2.

Your lack of concern about 2 killers (at least) with 9 people left is proof of your guilt. I have no idea what the objective of the 'Palatinate' group is, but it's clearly not anything good. You were definitely one of the killers last night as well, you've killed practically every night since the game began and you've bragged about it the whole time. You are scum, plain and simple.

[Askthepizzaguy]

FoS: Yaseikhaan, his lynch writeup seemed to be hinting at something. "Wolves" were mentioned, he was speaking of his "beloved". Talks also about reaching the end soon.

Blackadder's writeup, this part is interesting:


"I wonder if they can see what I see..." Gerard pondered as the people earnestly dragged Blackadder to the gallows.

"They'd have to be mad," smirked Hans, then after a glare from Gerard stammered, "That is, to see through your eyes would be, uh, unlikely?"

A hint that there was something unusual about Blackadder?

Lynch writeups seem likely sources for hints, but I'm double-checking the dead from murders as well.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No, I was attacking ibn's corpse last night.

I'm not concerned about 2 killers because we can lynch one today, and lynch the other tomorrow/kill them tonight, there aren't many people it could be.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Since you were clearly in on the lies being spread around last night, mind explaining what really happened instead of what you said would happen?

Everyone was supposed to be doing protections; that way we would be

a) doubly protected, but also
b) making sure that we weren't the ones killing ourselves.

One group was told that there would be a vig kill on their target, and so was the other. That way they would be scared into protecting their target for fear of being caught. I actually believe this exonerates most people here.

Edit: I also know about the attack on Ibn-Khaldun's body, that was a last-minute switch, and for good reason. The Palatinate people discovered that one of their PM's from CR indicated they could attack the dead. This is why I believe we are just killing ourselves off.

They attacked the dead, while the dead attacked us. It proves that those two aren't the demons at all.

[TinCow]

No, I was attacking ibn's corpse last night.

So why the elaborate lie about the combo attack/protect on Sigurd? Clearly you think you cannot trust me and perhaps Beskar as well. Since I've been doing nothing this entire game but trying to stop the murders and catch the mafia, lying about that last night is total scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So why the elaborate lie about the combo attack/protect on Sigurd? Clearly you think you cannot trust me and perhaps Beskar as well. Since I've been doing nothing this entire game but trying to stop the murders and catch the mafia, lying about that last night is total scum.

Are you suggesting they murdered twice last night, once as a distraction, killing a dead guy, and then also as vampire demons?

Color me unimpressed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So why the elaborate lie about the combo attack/protect on Sigurd? Clearly you think you cannot trust me and perhaps Beskar as well. Since I've been doing nothing this entire game but trying to stop the murders and catch the mafia, lying about that last night is total scum.

No, pizza explained it already. He suggested having attack defend groups to ensure that everyone was where they were supposed to be, but I pointed out that people tend to die when that happens in this game and that pretending would be enough to make them send their orders. Are you complaining about lack of trust? You just got finished saying I was mafia because I wasn't worried.

[TinCow]

Everyone was supposed to be doing protections; that way we would be

a) doubly protected, but also
b) making sure that we weren't the ones killing ourselves.

One group was told that there would be a vig kill on their target, and so was the other. That way they would be scared into protecting their target for fear of being caught. I actually believe this exonerates most people here.

Edit: I also know about the attack on Ibn-Khaldun's body, that was a last-minute switch, and for good reason. The Palatinate people discovered that one of their PM's from CR indicated they could attack the dead. This is why I believe we are just killing ourselves off.

They attacked the dead, while the dead attacked us. It proves that those two aren't the demons at all.

The dead attacked us? Don't be ridiculous. They're freaking dead! The very concept of the dead continuing to kill in a game this size is so inherently unbalanced that it absurd to believe that it's being allowed.

[Myrddraal]

Perhaps if all envolved in night actions last night could make their actions known, we might be able to determine if it possible for the attacker to amongst the living?

The hit on atheotes looked like the demon teaming up with the last surviving turk. They definately seemed an odd couple, turkish crossbow + very strong blood sucker.

[TinCow]

One group was told that there would be a vig kill on their target, and so was the other. That way they would be scared into protecting their target for fear of being caught. I actually believe this exonerates most people here.[/B]

Exonerates most people here? There are AT LEAST 2 killers out of 9, and the results last night showed NOTHING except that the two people who were playing mortician weren't the killers. How can last night possibly exonerate most people?

[Askthepizzaguy]

The dead attacked us? Don't be ridiculous. They're freaking dead! The very concept of the dead continuing to kill in a game this size is so inherently unbalanced that it absurd to believe that it's being allowed.

So why do you think that Sasaki, and another "Paladin", attacked the dead.... and, at the same time, two others attacked the living?

Doesn't that prove they aren't the demon vampires?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Exonerates most people here? There are AT LEAST 2 killers out of 9, and the results last night showed NOTHING except that the two people who were playing mortician weren't the killers. How can last night possibly exonerate most people?

If I am not mistaken, everyone alive has been investigated as not being a demon vampire. It is either the palatinate people themselves, or it is the dead, TinCow.

Since two of the paladins attacked the dead, I'm inclined to believe it's not the paladins.

[TinCow]

So why do you think that Sasaki, and another "Paladin", attacked the dead.... and, at the same time, two others attacked the living?

Doesn't that prove they aren't the demon vampires?

First of all, stop referring to them as Paladins, they have confessed that they are not Paladins, simply a group from the Palatinate, which is a very different thing. Second, they have been searching for whatever targets they're after since the beginning of the game. Every single turn for the last 3-4 turns they've told me they were close to finding who they were looking for and it would just take 1 last night to be finished for good. The fact that they still haven't found what they're looking for means they're inept or lying. Since Sasaki is one of them, I believe the latter.

[Reenk Roink]

A final note on ambiguity. All is not as it seems in the Shadow Fort; I may well be, well, "misleading" you on the nature of events in my role PM. This is because the role PM is what your character believes, and this game is set in a time of turbulence of beliefs.

What will not be a lie is the list of those who are dead, for the dead will not return. Victory conditions will be absolute, though, and fulfilling them will grant victory no matter what circumstance.

Given the explicit literal interpretation of the second paragraph, not to mention the context in which it follows the "misleading" paragraph" it's fair to say that the dead didn't do any killing.

[TinCow]

Ok, some actual intelligent thinking is going on in various places, and some of it is seeping into me by osmosis. The killers are most certainly living players, and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. However, Sigurd is more likely to be one of them than Sasaki. Based on minor differences in night results I got a while ago, plus Psycho's results earlier, it appears that Sigurd is one of the wanna-be vampires. He's been hiding in the Palatinate group the entire time.

Unvote; Vote: Sigurd

[Jolt]

Thing is, TinCow is the one making the most sense out of this whole situation at this point. I'm don't have any suspects, but I'd put Beskar, ATPG, White_Eyes and Sasaki into the most probable suspects.

While Sasaki has repeatedly said he couldn't be recruited based on my role, the fact is that our roles are distinct as I am a Sargeant which is supposed to defend while he is a Warrior which is supposed to attack. So far I accepted the fact that he could be right, but right now this is getting ridiculous. One thing in his favour is that he joined the Paladins like me. The fact is that the Paladins mission cannot betray the town, otherwise I couldn't have joined them, but I don't know if the Paladins themselves can be recruited or not.

This whole protection/attack thingie, and the attacking the dead was organized by ATPG, Yaropolk and Sasaki. They were the ones with the original idea. Even though I'm no suspect (So he said it himself), ATPG was initially renitent in revealing what was going on. The fact that Sasaki was involved in the elaboration of this made me very suspicious and I considered leaving the protection group to protect Atheotes, but since apparently no kills were being conducted I decided to stick by the protection group. I'll support the effort of killing every suspected lynched people this next night to see if they are right or wrong. If the killings still continue, I'm gonna start voting to lynch the aforementioned living people unless something else comes up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, I've been convinced privately that pressuring Sigurd is a good option, based on a strange difference in investigation results.

unvote, vote: Sigurd

[Sasaki Kojiro]

vote:sigurd

You can lick the BLOOD off the blade once Gerard slits your throat.

[Jolt]

Okay, I've been convinced privately that pressuring Sigurd is a good option, based on a strange difference in investigation results.

unvote, vote: Sigurd

Also, phreaps an important fact is that there were two attackers. The only known public pairs remaining in the game are Yaropolk/Sigurd and ATPG/White_Eyes.

If one of these pairs is indeed the attackers, than lynching one of them will result in the next kills being one person only.

Vote: Sigurd

[Yaropolk]

I was the other attacker on the dead corpse. My PM states that demons survive lynches, and for that reason I can investigate and attack corpses and bring someone along for the adventure. Granted, my character is a nutjob so probably it's a red herring.


First you complain that there are too many vig groups. Last night there were only protection groups as requested. You all wanted to know how many killers are left among us, now you know - its 2. The fact that 2 people teamed up to kill means one of two things....either a paladin was in on this, and i've scanned every one personally as not demon. Or, a person from each of the protection groups was in on this and was able to compare notes.

I believe the protect groups were:

Joooray, Sigurd, Whiteeyes others protect Tincow + dead atheotes
Jolt, TC, Beskar protect Sigurd (Sasaki went off corpse stabbin' with me)

ATPG was off investigating...

Sasaki and I are in the clear for certain



I don't recall any previous kills with the morning star - is that a Turk signature?

[TinCow]

Also, phreaps an important fact is that there were two attackers. The only known public pairs remaining in the game are Yaropolk/Sigurd and ATPG/White_Eyes.

If one of these pairs is indeed the attackers, than lynching one of them will result in the next kills being one person only.

For what it's worth, when I investigated Yaropolk, the results specifically said he had talismans to ward off demons. Sigurd's did not say that. If Sigurd is the wanna-be vampire, I do not think Yaropolk is his partner. Instead, I think Sigurd recruited someone later in the game and it was Sigurd and that new recruit who tried to kill Yaropolk.

[TinCow]

i've scanned every one personally as not demon.

All your results are flawed, because the person you're looking for is a human and not a demon. Your own superstitions are making you blind to your real target: a human. Forget your results, they are useless.

[Beskar]

Well, I defended Sigurd.

If I remember correctly, Pizza did a attack-defend scenario.

I suspect anyone in the group attacking Sigurd.

[Jolt]

For what it's worth, when I investigated Yaropolk, the results specifically said he had talismans to ward off demons. Sigurd's did not say that. If Sigurd is the wanna-be vampire, I do not think Yaropolk is his partner. Instead, I think Sigurd recruited someone later in the game and it was Sigurd and that new recruit who tried to kill Yaropolk.

I had forgot, Yaropolk investigated Sigurd for being a demon and it came back negative.

Unvote

[Secura]

Awesome! Go Turks! :2thumbsup: Win or lose, you smoked the town like a bad cigar, I gotta lessen my criticism of you just because of you living past this round. :yes:

We've already lost though, the town has removed all of the Turks from the game as far as I know. I think we're set for a Narrow Defeat though, considering the sheer amount of town that have died in the name of finding us all.

I'm as genuinely baffled as to what's going on as the rest of you.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I had forgot, Yaropolk investigated Sigurd for being a demon and it came back negative.

Unvote

Sigurd isn't a demon. He's a wannabe, and white_eyes is his apprentice.

[Jolt]

Also, here is something interesting (Could mean nothing): I had GH in my prospective protection list and knew he was a constable. He also mentioned he had a partner (Joooray, though GH didn't reveal his identity to me), and here's what he said about his abilities.


Aside from protecting me (don't know if he can solo-protect anyone else), my partner also says he can solo-kill and join in groups. I don't know anything else beyond that though.

Joooray can apparently also solo-kill which I see wasn't known.

[Reenk Roink]

We've already lost though, the town has removed all of the Turks from the game as far as I know. I think we're set for a Narrow Defeat though, considering the sheer amount of town that have died in the name of finding us all.

I'm as genuinely baffled as to what's going on as the rest of you.

Hmm, I'm can't get a read on if you're misleading the town or not so if what you say is true that does suck (only 3 starting Turks though? seems exceptionally low). Still, a narrow defeat should be like a win given your circumstances. Thanks Sasaki and crew for not listening to me about Sigurd and rather killing all your friends. :yes: :laugh4:

[Yaropolk]

I'll vote: Whiteeyes for now - ATPG can you tell me what conflicting investigation resutls you got via pm. I agree Sigurd is lurking and looking scummy, however in his defense he is one of the original paladins, and if Jolts claiim is true that he cannot be subverted against the town, then Sigurds original mission is not anti-town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, I defended Sigurd.

If I remember correctly, Pizza did a attack-defend scenario.

I suspect anyone in the group attacking Sigurd.

Actually Beskar, the attack/defend on Sigurd was a ruse concocted by Yaro and Sigurd. Everyone was defending, there was no vig attack on Sigurd.

[TinCow]

if Jolts claiim is true that he cannot be subverted against the town, then Sigurds original mission is not anti-town.

The difference is that Sigurd was never recruited, so the same loyalty mechanics don't apply to him. His role is whatever role he was assigned at the start of the game, not whatever results from Palatinate conversion. There have been other mafia games in which scum have been given cover roles with real pro-town 'partners.' One of them was Midgard II, and CR played that. He would be well aware of such a setup.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll vote: Whiteeyes for now - ATPG can you tell me what conflicting investigation resutls you got via pm. I agree Sigurd is lurking and looking scummy, however in his defense he is one of the original paladins, and if Jolts claiim is true that he cannot be subverted against the town, then Sigurds original mission is not anti-town.

There was a slight difference in the results we got on Captain Blackadder. His seemed to be almost certain Blackadder was guilty, mine showed inactivity. But those were on two very different nights, all the details are in the quicktopic. It's possible CB was inactive night one and not suspicious, and later got recruited.

My scan of White_Eyes shows nothing out of the ordinary for a noble defender. What did your scan say?

[TinCow]

My scan of White_Eyes shows nothing out of the ordinary for a noble defender. What did your scan say?

What phase was that? This pair of killers first appeared on N7, and the narration started with a 'training' session indicating that the second person had been recently recruited... probably no earlier than N6.

[Secura]

Still, a narrow defeat should be like a win given your circumstances.

Yup, I was expected total defeat, really.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What phase was that? This pair of killers first appeared on N7, and the narration started with a 'training' session indicating that the second person had been recently recruited... probably no earlier than N6.

Last night, in fact. To be sure, myself and Yaropolk both scanned him. If there was anything out of the ordinary, it should have been detected.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

They were most likely recruited the night after psycho was lynched, based on a message yaropolk received.

Lynch sigurd, kill White_eyes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, correction: Yaro says he didn't scan White_Eyes.

[TinCow]

Last night, in fact. To be sure, myself and Yaropolk both scanned him. If there was anything out of the ordinary, it should have been detected.

Yaropolk's results are useless, there has never been a single role in the entire game that would show up as a demon to him. What kind of information do your results provide?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yaropolk's results are useless, there has never been a single role in the entire game that would show up as a demon to him. What kind of information do your results provide?

There's some information in them, and it has been somewhat useful. It tells if there are any weapons that are out of the ordinary (such as an assassin's weapon) but it also suggests that some weapons might be assassin's weapons, but aren't actually assassin weapons. (Jolt's sergeant role). On night one, it also indicated that Captain Blackadder was inactive all night long, as he was actually seen in his quarters, sleeping. All other nights I did not get that indicator. When I get a positive, it is always inconclusive but leading towards guilty. Sometimes CR even states that they look "suspicious" or "could be the assassin".

I am inclined to believe that when scanning an actual guilty party, it will also indicate guilt. So, in my estimation, it is a "not guilty" or "possibly guilty" investigation, with some trivia added in.

[TinCow]

There's some information in them, and it has been somewhat useful. It tells if there are any weapons that are out of the ordinary (such as an assassin's weapon) but it also suggests that some weapons might be assassin's weapons, but aren't actually assassin weapons. (Jolt's sergeant role). On night one, it also indicated that Captain Blackadder was inactive all night long, as he was actually seen in his quarters, sleeping. All other nights I did not get that indicator. When I get a positive, it is always inconclusive but leading towards guilty. Sometimes CR even states that they look "suspicious" or "could be the assassin".

I am inclined to believe that when scanning an actual guilty party, it will also indicate guilt. So, in my estimation, it is a "not guilty" or "possibly guilty" investigation, with some trivia added in.

You're like me then, you only get really useful info when you're looking for your intended target; noble assassins in your case and superstitious people in my case. I see no reason you would get positive results on any killer that was not a noble assassin, particular this last pair of killers who are not using assassin weaponry. Similarly, my results are useless for spotting anything except the people who had something to do with the werewolf and vampire subplots.

I do not believe that your results on W_E would be conclusive, though I would bet my own might turn up something if he had indeed been recruited by a wannabe vampire.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can you reveal all your investigation results so far?

[TinCow]

Can you reveal all your investigation results so far?

N1: Yaropolk - Superstitious, had old tomes on demons and talismans to ward off demons, was not in his room (active?)
N2: Csargo - Not superstitious, was sleeping (inactive?)
N3: Johnhughtom - Not superstitious, was not in his room (active?)
N4: No investigation, was protecting Yaropolk.
N5: TheFlax - Not superstitious, no indication of whether active/inactive, though IIRC he died that night anyway.
N6: Sigurd - Superstitious, had book on demons and 'other' creatures, no mention of talismans, no indication of whether active/inactive.
N7: Attempted to kill Splitpersonality
N8: Killed ACIN
N9: Protected Sigurd

[a completely inoffensive name]

N8: Killed ACIN

Is this because i groped you a while back in the beginning of the game?

[TinCow]

Is this because i groped you a while back in the beginning of the game?

No, that was why I let you live so long. I killed you because you didn't do it again. :stare:

[White_eyes:D]

They were most likely recruited the night after psycho was lynched, based on a message yaropolk received.

Lynch sigurd, kill White_eyes.I protected TinCow last night and all of our kills are in the write-up.....and me and ATPG are both guilty, if he is a demon or something, since I refused to even work with ATPG till I got an all-clear from CR that we can't be recuited.:shrug:

When I think back...your result was the only one that NEVER made sense...you solo-kill someone and then you turn up as "No threat" to us?:inquisitive:(Even TinCow had some stuff in his room for killing:book:)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I protected TinCow last night and all of our kills are in the write-up.....and me and ATPG are both guilty, if he is a demon or something, since I refused to even work with ATPG till I got an all-clear from CR that we can't be recuited.:shrug:

Where were you in the write up night 7? That was the night you claimed to have gotten the result "Blackadder is suspicious" right?

From what CR said, the demon can "turn an ordinary human into another demon", no mention of recruiting.


When I think back...your result was the only one that NEVER made sense...you solo-kill someone and then you turn up as "No threat" to us?:inquisitive:(Even TinCow had some stuff in his room for killing:book:)

No other claimed warriors.

[White_eyes:D]

Where were you in the write up night 7? That was the night you claimed to have gotten the result "Blackadder is suspicious" right?

From what CR said, the demon can "turn an ordinary human into another demon", no mention of recruiting.
Investigating Captain Blackadder at the WHOLE group's request....and you say "tomato and I say tomato":beam: I have never been night attacked....other then the Vig group where Diamondeye died.:book: And under your reasoning, anyone could have just been "changed" which makes no sense.:laugh4:



No other claimed warriors.And you have no "weapons" whatsoever then?:inquisitive:(Jolt had that deadly halberd)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Only one warrior and only one sergeant at the start of the game, it seems. There was a chance at others building up to that but I don't think anyone got promoted enough.

It is actually kinda funny that both of those important power roles are still alive, and both have been revealed for most of the game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Investigating Captain Blackadder at the WHOLE group's request....and you say "tomato and I say tomato":beam: I have never been night attacked....other then the Vig group where Diamondeye died.:book: And under your reasoning, anyone could have just been "changed" which makes no sense.:laugh4:

You offered two arguments for your innocence:

1) claimed night actions
2) unrecruitability

Both are faulty. The first is faulty because you aren't visible as your pro town self in the writeup during the "demon" kills--so you could be doing them. The 2nd because the description from CR described transformation rather than recruitment. There is some slack here--we don't know if that description is correct. The "demon" is likely just a crazy guy and may have to recruit like normal. But then who is the demons recruit? Other people are all visible in night actions. Look at the night when screwtype and wormtail attacked--yaropolk is attacked and me, jooray, beskar, and tincow all have actions that appear. Jolt I believe to be unrecruitable--although if the demon uses a different mechanism it is possible. Pizza is possible as well.

However, what is the evidence for you being unrecruitable? You only hate foreigners, nothing about demons. And you have implied that your role pm is different from pizza's.

I think that is most likely. The "demon" has to recruit like normal (no "turning") but that your role is susceptible to it. Unlike mine and jolt's which don't allow for any anti-town force.



And you have no "weapons" whatsoever then?:inquisitive:(Jolt had that deadly halberd)

But I obviously do have a weapon. So your "no weapons" investigation couldn't have been that useful.

[Secura]

It is actually kinda funny that both of those important power roles are still alive, and both have been revealed for most of the game.

Not really, when you consider that the main force who would benefit from them both being dead lost two of it's three-strong force in the first two days.

Besides, from what the two have said, it would have been near impossible for us to kill them anyway even if myself and AVSM had been alive to team up.

[Jolt]

It is actually kinda funny that both of those important power roles are still alive, and both have been revealed for most of the game.

One of them got attacked twice if you recall it. The only reason I'm alive is because I survived two attacks.

[White_eyes:D]

My Role PM *Could* be different then Pizzaguy's since I never saw it....:shrug:

But both Pizzaguy and I were unrecruitable, so I think your just looking for an excuse to kill me:laugh4:(I approve of it BTW, since it's your style:cool:)

Protecting pevergreen was our only goal....and that ended badly.:shame:

And killing his killer...:laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

What is the evidence that you are unrecruitable by the demon?

[Askthepizzaguy]

One of them got attacked twice if you recall it. The only reason I'm alive is because I survived two attacks.

I know, it wasn't an accusation. It's just an unusual circumstance to have claimed power roles alive so long. A tribute to this game's oddness and creativity.

[atheotes]

Beskar - He is claiming a Mason group with ACIN....though they were never active. My only question is, Why did ACIN show up as a demon in Yaropolk's investigation?


can anyone answer that? perhaps there is too much happening behind the scenes and i have it all wrong.

Whoever wanted to change the vig and protection groups into is scummy. We all know the possibility of that going wrong is low and even if it did it would most likely be the weaker member in the groups....which would be me. I was the only person who needed atleast 2 more people to kill or protect. But it would have ID'd everyone on the writeup...atleast narrowed it down to the kill group/vig group. Now we have been left with no conclusions to draw. :wall:

atleast i was the last regular townie to make it this far. :smug:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'll have you know ath, they wanted me to kill you and I decided not to.

Actually that's interesting. The demon/disciple who decided to kill ath must have known that the plan had been changed. I don't remember how that worked out though.

[White_eyes:D]

And I had no way of KNOWING THAT:stare:(Pizzaguy organized everything if you recall):juggle:

[Askthepizzaguy]

In theory, I could have told you, W_E.... but I didn't because we were supposed to have been scanning you without telling you.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Yaro must be skummy, because Im not a demon.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

And I had no way of KNOWING THAT:stare:(Pizzaguy organized everything if you recall):juggle:

Irrelevant...since sigurd knew.

I think everyone who knew ath was set to be attacked got updated with the knew plan anyway.

[White_eyes:D]

Except for ME:stare:

[Jolt]

I know, it wasn't an accusation. It's just an unusual circumstance to have claimed power roles alive so long. A tribute to this game's oddness and creativity.

Ah, ok no harm done.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Except for ME:stare:

Irrelevant...since sigurd knew.

:bounce:

[Jolt]

Except for ME:stare:

If you're one of the attackers, you'd obviously have been warned about the change of plans by your partner. So claiming you didn't know anything doesn't help.

[White_eyes:D]

Whatever, I get upset when people think I know more then I know.....:brood:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're up for being scanned tonight, aren't you W_E?

There is the theory that Yaropolk's scans don't reveal anything at all. But we have not yet conclusively proven that. After tonight's scan, that would be concluded one way or the other. The people who should have been scanned last night should be scanned tonight to settle that once and for all. If White_Eyes were somehow guilty, killing him tonight wouldn't prevent him from also killing. After that, comes a lynch. Now, you've saved no time and no lives by killing him before you scan him. And you potentially spare yourself a wasted lynch, something we cannot afford, by doing this simple procedure, which is scan before you kill, and finally prove once and for all that Yaropolk is scanning for something he will never ever find, or, prove that he was indeed able to find something with it, and we have an intelligent lynch.

Does anyone find fault with this line of reasoning? Am I off-base?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Scanning takes two nights, yes?

The only issue I see is our assumption that screwtype and wormtail are the two behind last nights kills. If they are then since: I was killing, yaro was attacked, TinCow was killing, and joooray and beskar were killing, we are left with just 4. Jolt, sigurd, WE and you. Jolt has a very similar pm to me, and can't be recruited by anti town forces, and accepted to join the paladins. So after we lynch sigurd, it's just WE and you.

If there is some other explanation for last nights kills then it might be worth waiting.

The kills are pretty different which I don't quite get.

[White_eyes:D]

I was scanned ONCE....I need just one more to be in the clear(or Yaropolk was lying:brood:)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Either my investigation is totally misleading on White_Eyes, or screwtype and wormtail were not the ones killing last night.

Having a scan result on W_E (and the other missed scans) would clarify matters greatly. If there is a third option that we aren't exploring, having more information would help us determine that.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Your investigations really only turn up info on whether they are an assassin or not don't they?

Methos N8
Csargo N8
ACIN N8
spL1tp3r50naL1ty N8
Captain Blackadder D8
Yaseikhaan D9

You are saying two of these folks could be screwtype and wormtail. Doesn't seem terribly likely. And if that's the case, who were the attackers of atheotes? Beskar and who? If it isn't white eyes or you then that leaves: joooray, jolt, TinCow, sigurd. Are you suggesting beskar and sigurd? It's possible. In that scenario either we eliminated screwtype and wormtail, or else just the recruit and sigurd recruited again.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your investigations really only turn up info on whether they are an assassin or not don't they?

Yes, that's why a Yaropolk scan, even a TinCow scan, on White_Eyes, would make me feel better about it. Everything I have tells me that White_Eyes is innocent. He is unrecruitable like me, has the same powers, same mission, and other than having a different approach to the game than I do and a slight difference in investigations, I don't have any basis for thinking he's scum. There's also the fact that White_Eyes' wrongful death could end the game against the innocent factions. I don't know if that writeup means there's now three in one team, or two teams of two remaining, or if the wormtail team had more than that to begin with.

My main point is that yes, you can kill White_Eyes tonight. If he's innocent, it could be game over. If he's guilty, you haven't stopped him from killing, because the kills happen simultaneously, as it is based on Capo mechanics. So, unless you were to lynch White_Eyes right now, if he is guilty you are not stopping any kill he might do. And, you'd be killing him based off of no scan result. But, you have a chance to get a scan result, two of them in fact, before you kill him. And if he turns out guilty, then guess who gets to die with him? That would be me for defending him up and down. Based on the number of players remaining, you have enough time to give it a try, unless I'm missing something.

Killing him tonight is a waste of time; you should scan him. The only way you gain time if he's guilty is to lynch him now, and I'm opposed to that idea.


Methos N8
Csargo N8
ACIN N8
spL1tp3r50naL1ty N8
Captain Blackadder D8
Yaseikhaan D9

You are saying two of these folks could be screwtype and wormtail. Doesn't seem terribly likely. And if that's the case, who were the attackers of atheotes? Beskar and who?

Didn't Yaropolk say that ACIN was a suspected demon, or am I forgetting which he did? That's one option. Yaseikhaan is another, but I suppose that would involve bad scans on yaropolk's part.

White_Eyes had a scan that said Blackadder was suspicious. I admit that is pretty weak because I don't know if our scans detect these people involved or not.


If it isn't white eyes or you then that leaves: joooray, jolt, TinCow, sigurd. Are you suggesting beskar and sigurd? It's possible. In that scenario either we eliminated screwtype and wormtail, or else just the recruit and sigurd recruited again.

That list of options is seriously depressing. If that is the case, then we've gotten a whole lot of nowhere and ran in circles for days. Which, would explain why certain dead people are so amused.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm not a demon. Wth are demons doing in this game? I thought I was a traveler capitalizing on a war between some germans and some turks.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We've got "Irish" results on these people coming tomorrow morning, and I'm rather eager to see if White_Eyes' scan of Blackadder proved to be a fruitful one. There's also the conclusive proof on ACIN, which should tell us if Yaropolk's scans are worth anything. Add this to the scan results from TinCow, Yaropolk, W_E, and myself, and I would suggest we will know exactly who to lynch and kill.

Methos N8
Csargo N8
ACIN N8
spL1tp3r50naL1ty N8
Captain Blackadder D8

[a completely inoffensive name]

There's also the conclusive proof on ACIN, which should tell us if Yaropolk's scans are worth anything.

What proof?

[Subotan]

There's also the conclusive proof on ACIN

I wouldn't say that was very conclusive, since he was innocent.

I'm surprised no-one has asked ne for the results of my investigator friend

[Askthepizzaguy]

What proof?


I wouldn't say that was very conclusive, since he was innocent.

I'm surprised no-one has asked ne for the results of my investigator friend

No, you guys misunderstood. In the Palatinate quicktopic, Split and ACIN were the main suspects for having been a demon. I think that is based off of some scan Yaro did, but looking back on the qt now I can't find it.

What I meant was, proof ACIN is a townie or a demon, or whatever he was. Because the true results on someone come 3 days later, ACIN's is scheduled for tomorrow morning.

[Subotan]

Like I said, he's innocent. I know that that's conclusive.

[Sigurd]

N1: Yaropolk - Superstitious, had old tomes on demons and talismans to ward off demons, was not in his room (active?)
N2: Csargo - Not superstitious, was sleeping (inactive?)
N3: Johnhughtom - Not superstitious, was not in his room (active?)
N4: No investigation, was protecting Yaropolk.
N5: TheFlax - Not superstitious, no indication of whether active/inactive, though IIRC he died that night anyway.
N6: Sigurd - Superstitious, had book on demons and 'other' creatures, no mention of talismans, no indication of whether active/inactive.
N7: Attempted to kill Splitpersonality
N8: Killed ACIN
N9: Protected Sigurd

Looking at your list of investigations - you started your bandwagon on me because I had a different result than Yaropolk.
I can't see that much difference. These results should indicate that we belong to the same faction. That's it.

I can confirm that Joooray, atheotes and White_Eyes:D all sent in their orders to protect TinCow - and they can confirm mine.
All except White_Eyes:D had the correct format (atheotes and Joooray can confirm)....
Which should indicate that perhaps our duo WE:D and ATPG are not exactly doing what we agreed.

Last night ATPG spent time investigating his partner while WE:D sent this to the protection group and CR:


Help them all Protect TinCow if I can.https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/../images/smilies/misc/ht_bow.gif:bow:

We all know that you need to mention those who you will be working with for the order to have effect.
The rest of us wrote, and WE:D could have copied the line:


I will protect TinCow along with of Sigurd, atheotes and White_Eyes.

I tried to recruit ATPG first - but was told that he couldn't be recruited. I have since recruited Sasaki and Jolt. They are on my team. Sasaki was out hacking corpses with Yaro and that means he is one of us.

I don't know what the rest of you did last night but in my book these players are in the clear:
Yaropolk
Sasaki
Sigurd
Joooray

ATPG - investigated his partner (why?)
WE:D - sent in a protection that wouldn't have worked (and it was the last of them all)
TinCow - ?
Beskar - ?
Jolt - ? but he was recruited.

[Sigurd]

Irrelevant...since sigurd knew.
The only one who could have told him is ATPG, yourself and Yaropolk. But since I have confidence in you and Yaro - I think we might have stumbled upon our demon crew...

We haven't been able to investigate WE:D yet and ATPG was investigated very early. Remember I got the demon recruiting notice pretty late in the game. I think we should investigate ATPG and WE:D both.

[TinCow]

Looking at your list of investigations - you started your bandwagon on me because I had a different result than Yaropolk.
I can't see that much difference. These results should indicate that we belong to the same faction. That's it.

The lack of talismans and the addition of books on other creatures was different. Combined with this:


Psycho's result was: "Sigurd is implicated with death, he's fascinated with resurrection or the living dead."

I think it's possible that Sigurd "the apprentice" is actually trying to become a a demon rather than find one.

While Psycho was a Turk, he posted his results before he died on N6. The wannabe vampire attacks didn't start until N7, so the odds of him successfully making that up and picking someone who would still be alive at this point in the game are astronomically low.

[Myrddraal]

What will not be a lie is the list of those who are dead, for the dead will not return. Victory conditions will be absolute, though, and fulfilling them will grant victory no matter what circumstance.
I think this categorically states that our two killers are amongst the living.


I see no reason you would get positive results on any killer that was not a noble assassin, particular this last pair of killers who are not using assassin weaponry.
Wasn't one of the weapons a crossbow? I thought that was the trademark turkish weapon. I'm a bit confused about the crossbows.

[Secura]

the odds of him successfully making that up and picking someone who would still be alive at this point in the game are astronomically low.

A nice glass of wine, perhaps! :P

[TinCow]

Wasn't one of the weapons a crossbow? I thought that was the trademark turkish weapon. I'm a bit confused about the crossbows.

I'm operating under the assumption that the crossbow is not exclusive to the Turks. I don't think it's been definitively established one way or another, but I vaguely recall some people being IDed as using a crossbow in some write-ups who didn't turn out to be mafioso (Methos maybe?).

[Sigurd]

The lack of talismans and the addition of books on other creatures was different.

Well... I am a little different from Yaropolk and I have stated the differences.
He is the one claiming the killer to be demon - I am not so sure. But I am his apprentice and will follow his lead. Your investigation are not that subtle. Yaropolk knows that I am on his team. We know very little about you. The supposed science man and killer with poison.



While Psycho was a Turk, he posted his results before he died on N6. The wannabe vampire attacks didn't start until N7, so the odds of him successfully making that up and picking someone who would still be alive at this point in the game are astronomically low.
He was a Turk.... I don't believe his result is genuine. It doesn't fit with my role PM.

[TinCow]

Well... I am a little different from Yaropolk and I have stated the differences.
He is the one claiming the killer to be demon - I am not so sure. But I am his apprentice and will follow his lead. Your investigation are not that subtle. Yaropolk knows that I am on his team. We know very little about you. The supposed science man and killer with poison.

My action is visible in the write-up on the night the current killers first appeared and attacked Yaropolk. Or are you claiming that the current killers are not the same pair?


He was a Turk.... I don't believe his result is genuine. It doesn't fit with my role PM.

We know several things here:

1) There is are two killers still operating from 9 players.
2) The killers are living humans, they are not dead (see Myrddraal's last post) or demons (see me, ad nauseum)
3) Yaropolk was the very first target of the killers, indicating that they knew he was a serious threat to them.
4) The killers knew who NOT to kill last night, so they were in on the 'real' plan which the rest of us were not, indicating a core member of the group
5) Yaropolk and Sasaki appear in the write-up last night doing something other than killing.

Of the reamining 'core' organizers, there is you, ATPG, and Jolt. Neither of the other two were fingered by a mafia investigation as being obsessed with resurrection and the living dead before the current killers even started operating. Under the circumstances, you're going to have to do a lot better than "It doesn't fit with my role PM."

[Beskar]

Vote: Sigurd

He looks most guilty if those investigations were indeed correct.

[Yaropolk]

With acin and split, I didn't get guilty results. They (and w_e) were the last who I didn't get a chance to check. If demons we among the living it seemed like a no brainer to kill them.

I wouldn't put too much faith into psycho - his results on subotan and gh were clearly false.

If the choice of no lynch is open to us. We should do that. Otherwise lynch WE, then have sigurd, atpg, and jolt kill bodies tonight so they show up in the writeup.

[TinCow]

With acin and split, I didn't get guilty results. They (and w_e) were the last who I didn't get a chance to check. If demons we among the living it seemed like a no brainer to kill them.

Let's get this on the public record for once: have you ever, at any point in the game, gotten a postive result on anyone?


If the choice of no lynch is open to us. We should do that. Otherwise lynch WE, then have sigurd, atpg, and jolt kill bodies tonight so they show up in the writeup.

Open your eyes: your target is your partner. What better way to learn how to become a vampire than by having access to your resources and knowledge? Let me take a guess at your role PM: does the background description say something about previous vampiric-type stuff occurring whenever you were around? For example, you're always hot on his trail and find evidence of him?

[Yaropolk]

I have gotten suspicious results on the first pass, that were rebuked on the second pass. If I am looking for 1 or 2 people out of 40 this is what you would expect.

Yes, this matches my role PM quite well, however i have made no secret of my role pm. I dont recall if I paraphrased it to you or not, but I certainly posted the summary on paladin QT.

I readily concede that Sigurd looks scummy. My only preference is that W_E go before him, because of my role pm and because i did scan Sigurd the night that psycho revealed and he didn't even come back suspicious. If CR made Sigurd scum, there should have been an investigator in the game who could finger him as such as well, and that seems to would have been me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, that's why a Yaropolk scan, even a TinCow scan, on White_Eyes, would make me feel better about it.

Scans are useless, you can die in his place if you like and we can lynch him tomorrow.

You are desperately defending him after being all suspicious that his role pm didn't match yours yesterday.

[TinCow]

I have gotten suspicious results on the first pass, that were rebuked on the second pass. If I am looking for 1 or 2 people out of 40 this is what you would expect.

Am I correct in thinking you can investigate multiple people per night? If so, be aware that I cannot do so and I believe all other roles are also restricted to only 1 target per night, even though they were looking for similar numbers of people. That indicates that your investigations aren't quite the same as everyone else.


Yes, this matches my role PM quite well, however i have made no secret of my role pm. I dont recall if I paraphrased it to you or not, but I certainly posted the summary on paladin QT.

You never paraphrased the background to me, nor have I ever had access to the Paladin QT. The reason your background gives for you always being around when the vampiric stuff happens is because your apprentice is the wannabe vampire. The stuff occurs wherever you go because he goes wherever you go.


I readily concede that Sigurd looks scummy. My only preference is that W_E go before him, because of my role pm and because i did scan Sigurd the night that psycho revealed and he didn't even come back suspicious. If CR made Sigurd scum, there should have been an investigator in the game who could finger him as such as well, and that seems to would have been me.

The problem is that, if I am correct, Sigurd has the ability to recruit. Sparing him for another night risks another conversion.

As for the investigators, the Turkish investigation revealed him, and there were differences in my investigations on him. Given that you've been training your own enemy, it makes sense that you would be blind to his real identity. Like I've said numerous times, your investigations turn up nothing because you're single-mindedly focused on finding a demon. Your target is a human, and thus your results are useless in helping you to find your target.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The only one who could have told him is ATPG, yourself and Yaropolk. But since I have confidence in you and Yaro - I think we might have stumbled upon our demon crew...


Checking my inbox you got the pm's.

Although I'm fine with both pizza and white_eyes dieing, they will do so if they are both guilty.

[Jolt]

Of the reamining 'core' organizers, there is you, ATPG, and Jolt. Neither of the other two were fingered by a mafia investigation as being obsessed with resurrection and the living dead before the current killers even started operating. Under the circumstances, you're going to have to do a lot better than "It doesn't fit with my role PM."

I didn't organize :daisy: I was the one who was demanding to not be any kills tonight (As by then ATPG was saying Sasaki wanted to do vig kills), as that would probably force the Mafia to reveal themselves allowing us to get a look at how many were there, otherwise I'd just disengage from the protection groups and go protect whoever I thought best.

So, I'll propose next night to tie every single living guy to attacking dead bodies while I defend who I think convinient (which I won't tell anyone who it is).
From there it shall be easy enough to determine who left the attacking groups to kill, and then they have to be careful not to attack exactly the person I'm protecting.

Since the group attacked with two members, if I was a Mafia member, that wouldn't help me.

If there is an attack with both members and everyone is shown to be attacking bodies then the only logical conclusion is that the attackers are part of the dead.

[atheotes]

I think only the palatinate can attack dead bodies.

[Jolt]

I think only the palatinate can attack dead bodies.

Everyone can attack dead bodies. According to CR, only those with known skills can actually "kill" a lynched person. That would be Yaropolk. Still attacking a body should make everyone appear in the write-up.

EDIT: Something like

Group 1
Sasaki
Yaropolk

Group 2
ATPG
W_E
Joooray

Group 3
Sigurd
Beskar
TinCow

[Yaropolk]

The night Ibn K died sasaki was still unrecruited. I contacted him to do a 2 man vig on Ibn K's body, and Sasaki asked CR if that was possible for him to attack a dead body. IIRC CR told him it was possible but wouldnt' do anything.
Last night I revisited the idea after carefully rereading my role. I asked CR the same question, and he told me I could investigate and attack dead bodies, but the writeup would be silly if it wasn't the demon but a regular dead guy.

Given the statement in the original post that dead people are conclusively dead, I will accept that instructions in my PM are probably intentionally missleading. However if everyone can attack bodies with no harm done, I don't see a reason not to do what Jolt proposed. I think that Jolt should also attack a dead body - after all he's never been in a writeup, and we'll know who didn't show up to attack because we'll assign targets to people in public.

Currently the only people I know can't be screwbone and tapeworm are Yaro, Sasaki, Beskar - they all appeared doing other stuff when those 2 attacked. Beskar could be another faction but I dont want to speculate who else is alive. I think we took out all noble assassins with ACIN's death, and I have a hard time believing more turks are still around.

TC - Paladins had a limited number of recruitment letters so if Sigurd is a demonic recruiter I dont think he could do so indefinitely.

[Jolt]

The night Ibn K died sasaki was still unrecruited. I contacted him to do a 2 man vig on Ibn K's body, and Sasaki asked CR if that was possible for him to attack a dead body. IIRC CR told him it was possible but wouldnt' do anything.
Last night I revisited the idea after carefully rereading my role. I asked CR the same question, and he told me I could investigate and attack dead bodies, but the writeup would be silly if it wasn't the demon but a regular dead guy.

Given the statement in the original post that dead people are conclusively dead, I will accept that instructions in my PM are probably intentionally missleading. However if everyone can attack bodies with no harm done, I don't see a reason not to do what Jolt proposed. I think that Jolt should also attack a dead body - after all he's never been in a writeup, and we'll know who didn't show up to attack because we'll assign targets to people in public.

Currently the only people I know can't be screwbone and tapeworm are Yaro, Sasaki, Beskar - they all appeared doing other stuff when those 2 attacked. Beskar could be another faction but I dont want to speculate who else is alive. I think we took out all noble assassins with ACIN's death, and I have a hard time believing more turks are still around.

TC - Paladins had a limited number of recruitment letters so if Sigurd is a demonic recruiter I dont think he could do so indefinitely.

As I'm the only one with the possibility of actually defending alone with high success and without the knowledge of the rest of the town and therefore the only one with the probability of catching them unexpectedly, wasting one night attacking a body is stupid.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm not going to write up a bunch of people attacking bodies in any detail whatsoever FYI.

CR

[Jolt]

I'm not going to write up a bunch of people attacking bodies in any detail whatsoever FYI.

CR

Bleh, so much for my strategy. Back to the drawing board.

EDIT: But, it also means that most probably the killers are indeed alive, otherwise I believe CR wouldn't have this attitude.

[Secura]

Bleh, so much for my strategy. Back to the drawing board.

Hahahaha, it was a good idea though!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We could set it up so that each person attacks an individual body. Then, if anyone wasn't there, we'd know they aren't killing. So of course the mafia won't kill anyone. And if the investigations are useless, we will have just wasted time.

[TinCow]

There is no need for Yaropolk and Sasaki to attack dead bodies. Their action last night proves they are not the remaining killers. Let them do something more useful.

Also, FYI, I will not attack a dead body because I am going to investigate one of the non-Palatinate living players. My investigations reveal superstitious people. It seems very likely that the wannabe vampire duo will show up as superstitious. In addition, everyone has claimed a role at this point in the game, and based on what I've read, no one but Yaropolk, Sigurd, Sasaki, and Jolt should show up as superstitious at this point in the game (Joooray and GH were the other superstitious group, and they are dead). Thus, if I investigate someone and find that they are superstitious, that would indicate a non-Palatine sanctioned recruitment.

For obvious reasons, I request protection tonight. As a physician, my self-defense skills are likely non-existent.

[Yaropolk]

Jooray is very much alive

[Jolt]

For obvious reasons, I request protection tonight. As a physician, my self-defense skills are likely non-existent.

You can solo-kill but your defend skills are non-existent? :inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

He uses poison to kill.

[Jolt]

Ah, right. I shall see what I can do. I won't reveal who I am going to protect but I shall take the investigation into account.

[TinCow]

Jooray is very much alive

Thanks for the correction. As I understand it, the list of people (other than myself) who should not be superstitious is Beskar, ATPG, and White_eyes. Does anyone have any reason to believe that any of those three people should legitimately show up as superstitious?

[Yaropolk]

I can confirm that Joooray, atheotes and White_Eyes:D all sent in their orders to protect TinCow - and they can confirm mine.
All except White_Eyes:D had the correct format (atheotes and Joooray can confirm)....
Which should indicate that perhaps our duo WE:D and ATPG are not exactly doing what we agreed.

Last night ATPG spent time investigating his partner while WE:D sent this to the protection group and CR:

Help them all Protect TinCow if I can.
We all know that you need to mention those who you will be working with for the order to have effect.
The rest of us wrote, and WE:D could have copied the line:

Originally Posted by Joooray
I will protect TinCow along with of Sigurd, atheotes and White_Eyes.[/B]



WE - can you address why your defense orders were formatted incorrectly?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can assure you if White_Eyes was my mafia partner, he would have formatted them correctly, since I've done several "traveler" type group actions. Besides, doing actions other than what you sent to the others in your group is as simple as sending Crazed Rabbit a different set of orders and telling him which to use, just like in Capo III. W_E and I were both in that game.

It also doesn't make any sense for him to intentionally sabotage the defense group if he wasn't going to then also attack the target of the defense group. I believe you're reading too much into it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote: Sigurd
vote: abstain

pending discussion in private

[Sigurd]

My action is visible in the write-up on the night the current killers first appeared and attacked Yaropolk. Or are you claiming that the current killers are not the same pair?

Your action, as in trying to poison Split? Couldn't you have prepared that the previous night? I know both me and Yaropolk have to prepare the night before if we are going to attack and kill a demon (as an ability). You are a traveller by all accounts and this could be the case.
Besides... As Jolt will testify and also the rest of our crew. That particular night was the night I recruited Jolt to our cause. Yaropolk knows that I can't perform any other action the same night I deliver the letter.

What were White_Eyes and the rest of the people doing that night?
We should really compare the claimed actions on both that night and last night.



Of the reamining 'core' organizers, there is you, ATPG, and Jolt. Neither of the other two were fingered by a mafia investigation as being obsessed with resurrection and the living dead before the current killers even started operating. Under the circumstances, you're going to have to do a lot better than "It doesn't fit with my role PM."
As Yaropolk said, Psycho's results on GH and Subotan was fake. You have to throw out that as evidence.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Jolt, did you receive the letter from Sigurd that night?

Sigurd, what result did psycho have on GH? His results on subo and WE were pretty good.

Sasaki

[TinCow]

Your action, as in trying to poison Split? Couldn't you have prepared that the previous night? I know both me and Yaropolk have to prepare the night before if we are going to attack and kill a demon (as an ability). You are a traveller by all accounts and this could be the case.

I poisoned split specifically because your group asked me to. It would have been pretty hard for me to predict that you'd ask me to do that a full night in advance. Plus, the night before I was investigating you.


Yaropolk knows that I can't perform any other action the same night I deliver the letter.

Yarpolk knows only what you tell him you've done; he's said as much.


As Yaropolk said, Psycho's results on GH and Subotan was fake. You have to throw out that as evidence.

No, I don't. Psycho's result on you (as far as I have seen) were far more specific than on GH and Subotan. Psycho was also flippant about his results on those two, where as he was highly concerned with your results and kept mentioning them repeatedly. Just because mafia lie doesn't mean everything they say is false.

[Sigurd]

Looking back at the QT White_Eyes:D were investigating on the night of the "demon" attack on Yaropolk.


I have the result on Captain Blackadder. If he is not a demon/turk then, they must be dead or in this QT fooling us. Helper has the result, I think I died.

Jolt was recruited by me
Yaropolk was investigating Beskar, Methos and Csargo
Sasaki killed Renata
ATPG killed Scienter with Yaseikhaan, atheotes, Beskar and Joooray.

vote: White_Eyes:D

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think so, Sigurd.

You're the Palatinate, and your group is the one who originally claimed that lynching the demon would do nothing but allow him to escape. What you just did reveals that you're not seriously looking for any demon at all.

Vote: Sigurd

[atheotes]

Sorry.. I thought it was already out in the open. so no harm. should have checked the rules. Apologies.

[Renata]

Sorry.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Be careful, please:


Dead players may not reveal, recount or allude to their previous night actions (or results thereof in the case of investigations) publicly or privately – even to confirm a previously made public or private reveal. Your participation must be circumspect, but your continued participation IS encouraged.

However, I will confirm it, because I am alive.

[Sigurd]

I poisoned split specifically because your group asked me to. It would have been pretty hard for me to predict that you'd ask me to do that a full night in advance. Plus, the night before I was investigating you.

Right... You are in the clear then. All though in your investigation of me, you expected demon stuff - and surprise you got some. In my PM it states that I got all my litterature from my master.


Yarpolk knows only what you tell him you've done; he's said as much.

He got the same PM from CR that I did that explained this. He was added as a recipient by CR. It states that ATPG was not recruitable and hence my second order will be processed, which was investigations. I did the same with Sasaki, but only the letter was delivered. No investigations was performed.


No, I don't. Psycho's result on you (as far as I have seen) were far more specific than on GH and Subotan. Psycho was also flippant about his results on those two, where as he was highly concerned with your results and kept mentioning them repeatedly. Just because mafia lie doesn't mean everything they say is false.
You can't use a mafia testimony against me. It is not trustworthy.

Sigurd is implicated with death, he's fascinated with resurrection or the living dead.
Which night did he investigate? The only death I have been involved in was me leading amongst others you on the hit on ACIN. A suspected demon TinCow.

[Beskar]

So Sigurd recruited Jolt then?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Jolt was recruited by me

This post, beskar.

[Sigurd]

I don't think so, Sigurd.

You're the Palatinate, and your group is the one who originally claimed that lynching the demon would do nothing but allow him to escape. What you just did reveals that you're not seriously looking for any demon at all.

Vote: Sigurd

Sorry my mistake... there are no quote function in the QT - and I read in ATPG's post: I'm killing Scienter along with Yaseikhaan, atheotes, Beskar and Joooray. He was obviously quoting Renata.

ATPG and WE:D investigate Yaseikhaan and Split. Why did WE:D change to Captain B?
And the result on Captain B simply stated, according to you: "Captain Blackadder is suspicious".
I am sure CR have meatier results than that. Usually it involves rummaging the belongings of the player we investigate and other fill-ins.

I don't like this at all... All the WIFOM in the QT about how you and WE:D never could agree on what to do and that you are not getting along, having different role PMs etc.
Of the two of you... WE:D seems more suspect as he couldn't have protected TinCow last night. And both of you were out "investigating" on the first encounter with the "demons".

[White_eyes:D]

CR should confirm that not all his results are deadly write-ups:laugh4:

Vote:Sigurd Sasaki may kill me tonight but it's ok, because that's what he does..:shrug:

[Myrddraal]

4) The killers knew who NOT to kill last night, so they were in on the 'real' plan which the rest of us were not, indicating a core member of the group
Not necessarily.



ATPG killed Scienter with Yaseikhaan, atheotes, Beskar and Joooray.
This was an interesting night. There were indeed five attackers. Scienter ran away from four of them, who were obviously killing with different objectives in mind (burn the witch/confusion). She then ran into a fith killer who killed her all by himself. Which one of the five was this? Did he submit seperate orders?

Where is Jooray? Lurker win = rubbish.

Could someone remind me why Beskar is in the clear?

I don't think we have two demons/wannabes here. The last kill looked like a last ditch pairing up to me, Turk (with crossbow & morningstar) + blood obsessed creep.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This was an interesting night. There were indeed five attackers. Scienter ran away from four of them, who were obviously killing with different objectives in mind (burn the witch/confusion). She then ran into a fith killer who killed her all by himself. Which one of the five was this? Did he submit seperate orders?

Just to clarify, Myrddraal, that info isn't accurate, and those who corrected it did so after they were dead and so it had to be deleted.

I'll correct it: Renata was part of that group, not myself. Only Beskar and Joooray can say for sure if there was a problem with the orders.

[Askthepizzaguy]

In response to your edit:


I don't think we have two demons/wannabes here. The last kill looked like a last ditch pairing up to me, Turk (with crossbow & morningstar) + blood obsessed creep.

That is a theory we have actually overlooked throughout todays discussion.

[Yaropolk]

Be careful, please:



However, I will confirm it, because I am alive.

Missed atheotes PM, what are you confirming?

[Askthepizzaguy]

see post 2640

[Yaropolk]

I asked TC to poison Split, and told WE and ATPG not to investigate him since i figured he would be dead. I am quite confident TC is not our scum.

Here is psychonaut's reveal from his PM to me:

Sigurd - obsessed with the living dead
Beskar - Traveller
Reenk - Bodyguard
Subotan - Noble


I was mistaken, GH is not on here
Subotan was a noble assassin, not the Noble
Reenk was also a noble assassin, not the Bodyguard
Beskar is indeed a traveller but also a mason
Sigurd is looking for Strigoi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigoi) which are the living dead - this is consistent with his role PM

Clearly Psycho did have some info, although not 100% accurate. His reveal on Sigurd is not contrary to palatinate looking for strigoi.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who characterized Sigurd as the one who was "obsessed", Psychonaut, you, or was it CR directly?

[Yaropolk]

the 4 lines are cut n paste from psychonaut's pm

[Myrddraal]

So, which one of Renata, Yaseikhaan, atheotes, Beskar and Joooray can kill themselves? Which one submitted individual orders? Could Beskar or Joooray shed more light on this?

[Yaropolk]

Jooray supposedly can - when did one of them kill themselves?

[TinCow]

That is a theory we have actually overlooked throughout todays discussion.

That theory only works if you believe that either Screwtape or Wormwood were killed on N8. Those two were definitely on the same team, and I personally believe they're both still alive. There are some bits of the N9 write-up that make the killers appear to be the same duo. The main problem with one of them teaming up with a mafioso is that they have no method of finding one another. Dead players cannot PM, so they cannot find each other via the dead mafioso. It could only be done via investigations. While that's possible, it seems unlikely to me; certainly far less likely than some of the possible scenarios with both Screwtape and Wormwood still alive.

[edit]Here are the bits from the write-up that skew me toward believing it was both Screwtape and Wormwood:


Grabbing hold of Atheotes throat, this attacker lifted him into the air with one arm. Atheotes struggled to loosen the grip around his throat, but his attacker did not mean to strangle him. Instead, he moved Atheotes and held him up against a nearby wall; extending his arm so that Atheotes’s head was a foot higher than his attacker’s.

Hand-to-hand combat and great strength. Very consistent with Screwtape on N7.


The attacker stood a moment, looking at the body. Then he glanced at his sword, dripping with blood. Seemingly filled with trepidation, he raised the sword to his mouth, and licked the warm blood from the length of it. His face shuddered in ecstasy, and he looked up to the black sky with wonder in his eyes.

The main attacker licks the blood and loves it. Not exactly a Turkish mafia action.


The other attacker smiled deeply as the first turned to look at him.

The second man is greatly pleased with the first man's licking of the blood. That doesn't seem like something a cooperating Turk would do.


They spoke some low words that no one could hear. The expression of the man who had finished off Atheotes changed from wonder to a cruel smile. The two men walked off, disappearing into the darkness.

The second man is apparently praising the first in some manner, or saying something about the death that pleases the first man. This indicates they are both into the blood business, which is again not like a Turkish mafia.

I peg the strong killer as Screwtape and the other one as Wormwood.

[atheotes]

why are Jooray and Beskar so quiet? it is very unusual for Beskar atleast.

[Beskar]

I think that is pretty obvious atheotes. I haven't got a clue what is going on, and apparently the Turks are meant to be dead nor do I have these long list of Generalhankerchief things about demons, undead and the flying microwavable spaghetti monsters. From what I read, I am actually the only normal town role actually alive. Everyone else is some sort of noble-guard, paladin, or fairy godmother.

Anyway, I been cleared like twenty times in like thirty odd investigations, I started the game as a traveller, and I am now a soldier, due to vig kills, which have been documented. I haven't recieved any invites or letters nor have I accepted any.

So if you want any further questions, there simply are no answers. I just did the protection I was ordered to do last night.




Edit: Also, I been playing M&B: Warband quite a lot over the last couple of days.

[Myrddraal]

The second man is apparently praising the first in some manner, or saying something about the death that pleases the first man. This indicates they are both into the blood business, which is again not like a Turkish mafia.

I peg the strong killer as Screwtape and the other one as Wormwood.

Doesn't fit though, Screwtape was the dominant character in the write up. This doesn't fit with "The other attacker smiled deeply as the first turned to look at him. They spoke some low words that no one could hear. The expression of the man who had finished off Atheotes changed from wonder to a cruel smile. The two men walked off, disappearing into the darkness."

[Askthepizzaguy]

The main attacker licks the blood and loves it. Not exactly a Turkish mafia action.

Could have written it as such in order to fan the flames of there being a "demon", to throw us off track.


The second man is greatly pleased with the first man's licking of the blood. That doesn't seem like something a cooperating Turk would do.

When I did my vig kills, I was able to write pretty much whatever I wanted. For a while there, my vig team was running around pretending to be a cult comprised entirely of Sasaki Kojiros, because I knew he'd appreciate having 4-5 stalkers worshipping him all game long. Or he would die, which would have been equally hilarious, no offense.

I was also able to write in my two-man kills things like "Why are you out so late at night" and give myself various weapons. Crazed Rabbit only shot down the most unrealistic ideas. Jolt's death was supposed to be him tied to a flagpole with firecrackers in his mouth, until a lightning bolt hit him and made his head explode.

Because of this, I find that reading too deeply into any writeup will be intentionally misleading at this point. The only thing I find consistent is that the Turks seem to have been forced to use a crossbow.


The second man is apparently praising the first in some manner, or saying something about the death that pleases the first man. This indicates they are both into the blood business, which is again not like a Turkish mafia.

To be honest, they sound kinda like an ambiguously gay duo. Plus a strange fascination with blood.

[TinCow]

Doesn't fit though, Screwtape was the dominant character in the write up. This doesn't fit with "The other attacker smiled deeply as the first turned to look at him. They spoke some low words that no one could hear. The expression of the man who had finished off Atheotes changed from wonder to a cruel smile. The two men walked off, disappearing into the darkness."

You mistaking who recruited who. Wormwood is the weak one, but he was the recruiter. He recruited a much better killer than himself and is schooling that person in his vampire-mania. So, when it comes to killing Screwtape is dominant, but when it comes to the culty aspects, Wormwood is dominant.

Did I mention that Sigurd is a lowly apprentice to Yaropolk? Relatively weak, but knowledgable in the lore of vampires. Sigurd is Wormwood, his recruit is Screwtape.

[atheotes]

So, which one of Renata, Yaseikhaan, atheotes, Beskar and Joooray can kill themselves? Which one submitted individual orders? Could Beskar or Joooray shed more light on this?


@Beskar - i was hoping you could answer to this qn.

[TinCow]

The only thing I find consistent is that the Turks seem to have been forced to use a crossbow.

Methos used a crossbow on N4. As far as I am aware, Methos was not a Turk. If you can read back and figure out who else attacked Centurion1 with him, those people also used crossbows and I doubt all 3 of them were mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Methos used a crossbow on N4. As far as I am aware, Methos was not a Turk. If you can read back and figure out who else attacked Centurion1 with him, those people also used crossbows and I doubt all 3 of them were mafia.

Fair enough, I wasn't suggesting that others couldn't use crossbows, it is just that the Turks themselves seem restricted to that.

Which may be how some people could falsely pin murders on the Turks, if they wanted to hide their identity as demons for a night.

Edit: Or, a telltale sign when they are trying to pretend to be demons, but they still have to use a crossbow.

[TinCow]

Fair enough, I wasn't suggesting that others couldn't use crossbows, it is just that the Turks themselves seem restricted to that.

Perhaps, I stopped trying to keep track of the mafia weapons a long time ago. I don't mind theorizing about a Shampire (that is now their official name) and Turkish pairing, but if it's going to be proposed it needs to be backed by a theory of some kind that lets us figure out who the remaining scum are. The double Shampire theory does that, but the Shampire/Turk theory so far does not. Tell me who's guilty in a Shampire/Turk pairing and I'll listen to it carefully.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Perhaps, I stopped trying to keep track of the mafia weapons a long time ago. I don't mind theorizing about a Shampire (that is now their official name) and Turkish pairing, but if it's going to be proposed it needs to be backed by a theory of some kind that lets us figure out who the remaining scum are. The double Shampire theory does that, but the Shampire/Turk theory so far does not. Tell me who's guilty in a Shampire/Turk pairing and I'll listen to it carefully.

The only thing I have which leads me to suspect that, is because we have the first two shampires doing a kill, then they disappear, and there were seemingly 4 people involved in 2 Turkish kills, and then there was a Crossbow and a Shampire together. If we have killed off bad guys, that could explain why the shampire kills are different, why there's a crossbow in one of the shampire kills, and why there were so many supposed Turks during that 2-crossbow kill night.

Or am I missing something totally obvious. Was there a mason duo or ranger duo or whatever that used crossbows?

[Jolt]

The assassins used crossbows.

[Subotan]

Nah we didn't

We have more class than that

[Joooray]

Where is Jooray? Lurker win = rubbish.

Sorry, I've been at my parents for the Easter holidays and as such had little time to spend on the net. Also I have to second Beskar, I'm very much confused and I always first read through this wall of text before I contribute something.


So, which one of Renata, Yaseikhaan, atheotes, Beskar and Joooray can kill themselves? Which one submitted individual orders? Could Beskar or Joooray shed more light on this?

I can solo-kill, though I don't think I very good at it, since I only qualify as soldier. GH was supposed to investigate to find the beast and I guess I'd be able to kill it afterwards. However since we came nowhere with his investigations (only non-saying stuff and his investigation targets were killed before he could find out something useful), I decide to use my ability once on Seon. Well he was a traveller so I was able to kill him, but unfortunately he wasn't our target and I have no clue whether there ever was one or not.

Apart from that, I can only contribute, that Sigurd as well was able to do two investigations each night, but they were strongly focused on finding clues for the beast.

[Myrddraal]

Screwtape write up:

The tall figure, called Screwtape, took the straw man and tied it to a post, then spoke, “Wormwood! Examine carefully as this is important!
“The human body is soft and weak and can be broken easily. Observe how easy it is to kill a man by breaking his neck.”

Screwtape reached and grabbed the neck of the straw man, lifting it into the air. With a sharp jerk he broke the pole that formed the neck.

Wormwood picked up a pitchfork and approached eagerly, then thrust it into the chest of the straw man.

“Like this, Master?” he asked earnestly.

“That can work, but not if the man is wearing armor. Try again.”

Wormwood shoved the tines into the face of the straw man, and then looked to Screwtape with a smile, “Is this better?”

Screwtape was pleased, “Yes, that will do. Now let’s practice with something a little more interesting.”

The two figures left the stable.

Screwtape is both the stronger character and the stronger personality. It doesn't fit.

EDIT: also screwtape seemed to fight with his fingers, reaching just to touch his enemy to kill them. Screwtape seems to be dead to me. Woormwood is left, but he is now a lone demon wannabe without a master. I suppose he could have recuited someone in turn, but that seems a bit unbalanced... an exponentially growing demon faction?

[Splitpersonality]

I asked TC to poison Split, and told WE and ATPG not to investigate him since i figured he would be dead. I am quite confident TC is not our scum.


I'm a little behind on things trying to get back into the swing...

Why exactly did you do this?

[Askthepizzaguy]

also screwtape seemed to fight with his fingers, reaching just to touch his enemy to kill them. Screwtape seems to be dead to me. Woormwood is left, but he is now a lone demon wannabe without a master. I suppose he could have recuited someone in turn, but that seems a bit unbalanced... an exponentially growing demon faction?

I have seen mechanics in games where a faction can recruit up to a certain amount. Over on CFC the LOTR game was one where Isengard could recruit if it lost members.

[Myrddraal]

Just out of interest I googled Screwtape and Wormwood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Screwtape_Letters Interesting inspiration. Probably not much use to us though.

[Beskar]

I can solo-kill, though I don't think I very good at it, since I only qualify as soldier. GH was supposed to investigate to find the beast and I guess I'd be able to kill it afterwards. However since we came nowhere with his investigations (only non-saying stuff and his investigation targets were killed before he could find out something useful), I decide to use my ability once on Seon. Well he was a traveller so I was able to kill him, but unfortunately he wasn't our target and I have no clue whether there ever was one or not.

"solo-kill" hm?

[Joooray]

"solo-kill" hm?

Well, being a part of a two man group, there is little one can do. Our characters where designed in the way that I'd be following GH and thus most of the time solo protect him (you can see in his death write-up how good I was at it) and should the time arise be able to deal with the one we seek on my own.

[TinCow]

Screwtape is both the stronger character and the stronger personality. It doesn't fit.

EDIT: also screwtape seemed to fight with his fingers, reaching just to touch his enemy to kill them. Screwtape seems to be dead to me. Woormwood is left, but he is now a lone demon wannabe without a master.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

[Sigurd]

Did I mention that Sigurd is a lowly apprentice to Yaropolk? Relatively weak, but knowledgable in the lore of vampires. Sigurd is Wormwood, his recruit is Screwtape.
On which authority do you speak such lies?
Why are you not pursuing the obvious faulty night order of White_Eyes:D?

[Myrddraal]

Hmm. I was under the impression that Wormwood was a recruit, and hadn't been around all game.

[TinCow]

Why are you not pursuing the obvious faulty night order of White_Eyes:D?

White_eyes is indeed worrisome and is being examined. Since there are two killers left and you claim to be pure as driven snow, who do you believe are the remaining scum?

[Reenk Roink]

Alive:

oh beautiful for spacious skies
but now those skies are threatening...

Sasaki Kojiro

they're beating plowshares into swords
for this tired old man that we elected king...

Jolt

armchair warriors often fail

Yaropolk

and we've been poisoned by these fairy tales

TinCow

and lawyers clean up all details

Sigurd

since daddy had to lie...

[Joooray]

Shoot, I just realized we are still voting. I prefer the case against Sigurd over the one against W_E, though I was also confused by his night orders, but Atpg is right, he could just as easily send in orders overwriting the first orders.

So Vote: Sigurd.

[Renata]

... I decide to use my ability once on Seon. Well he was a traveller so I was able to kill him ...

This is not correct. Seon was revealed as a soldier.

[Joooray]

This is not correct. Seon was revealed as a soldier.

Sorry, I thought he was a traveller, fair enough. I guess being a soldier with a twist was enough to being able to kill him.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Tallying (voting ended 42 minutes ago (Butler lost :embarassed: ) ).

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

Sigurd gets lynched. Everyone but Jolt, Yaropolk, and Sigurd voted for him. Yaro and Sigurd voted for White Eyes.

36 hours until the end of the night phase: or 9 am PST Wednesday April 7

Write up coming later.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

Dusk had come, and Gerard finished counting the votes. Arguments had raged back and forth each day, mainly accusing Sigurd, who waited with dread for the results.

"Ah, you got lucky Sigurd!" exclaimed Gerard, "You've escaped!"

"I have?" asked Sigurd, hope filling his face.

"Indeed you have! For while we are condemned to live on, you, my friend, have been chosen to be released from this prison!"

"Wait, what do you speak of..."The dread returned to Sigurd's face.

Gerard got up, smiling, and began walking towards Sigurd, who was looking around frantically, "Aren't you glad? We are doomed to stay here, encased within these walls, while you - you are free? Do you not desire freedom?"

Sigurd was backing away, but strong arms grabbed him and held him in place.

"Soon you will do what none of us can and fly this stone prison! I am happy for you, friend."

Sigurd began protesting, almost babbling as he was dragged to the gallows.

"Do not fear, Sigurd, I'm sure we will all join you soon enough," comforted Gerard.

The noose was tightened, the few left alive watched. Gerard spread his arms and yelled, "Give him release!"

Sigurd fell and died.

"Sir, you must not falter, we are not yet doomed," whispered Hans.

"It is not a question of survival, friends; it is a question of how long we endure this suffering before God grants us mercy. Now go to your rooms and pray fervently!"

The crowd left quickly.

Hans left as well, silently walking to the keep.

Gerard made to follow him, a sly grin still on his face. He stopped as he reached the stairs and looked back at the setting sun, which cast a wondrous hue on the clouds. The smile faded, his expression became sorrowful.

"Let us all make it through this night."

Then he went into the keep.

Night Phase Continues! Until 9 am PST Wednesday April 7


Alive:
Beskar
Jolt
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk



Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6
Beefy187 D7
Captain Blackadder D8
Yaseikhaan D9
Sigurd D10


Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6
Scienter N7
Reenk Roink N7
Renata N7
Methos N8
Csargo N8
ACIN N8
spL1tp3r50naL1ty N8
atheotes N9

Forced to Wander the Snow:
Double A

[Sigurd]

FOOLS!!!!!!

I get to call all of you fools at the end of this night.

[TinCow]

FOOLS!!!!!!

I get to call all of you fools at the end of this night.

If we are wrong, then help us be right. So far, you've done nothing to help catch the remaining scum except fingering White_eyes. Since the remaining scum are likely related to the targets your team is supposed to be hunting, your input would be useful. If you really do need to catch the Shampires, you should help us, not mock us.

[Beskar]

TinCow is completely correct, you've been as helpful as a chocolate teapot, you are like Psychonaut, claiming to be pro-town last second saying we made a mistake after you died.

In short, I think we got a scum.

[Sigurd]

FOOLS!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

You never did explain why, if W_E was a demon, he should be lynched, when your story since before I met you guys was that demons needed to be slain at night, not lynched.

If we are such fools, why couldn't you answer a simple question? Being fools, our questions are by their very nature "simple"....

[Sigurd]

In case you believe I am not in character... :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Again with no answers. At this point I have to believe we made the correct lynch after all. You aren't even barred by the rules from explaining yourself.

[TinCow]

In case you believe I am not in character... :beam:

Surely an in-character response would be:

*ACK*
*ACK*
*GASP*
*GURGLE*
*THUD*

[Joooray]

So with Sigurd gone, we still have one of the attackers from last night left, right? I'm a bit lost, did we already identify him or not?

[Askthepizzaguy]

So with Sigurd gone, we still have one of the attackers from last night left, right? I'm a bit lost, did we already identify him or not?

We have some leads, but I'd prefer to wait until morning to discuss them.

[Sigurd]

Just to be completely clear... you did NOT lynch one of the two killers of last night.
If you all prefer to do this after this night, I am fine with that.

[Sigurd]

Again with no answers. At this point I have to believe we made the correct lynch after all. You aren't even barred by the rules from explaining yourself.
Ah.. to heck with it.
Have you not been reading? The original demon are probably dead. See Myrddraal's posts for reference. That was our only goal - to kill the original demon. That was our only victory condition. So ... if we should go with TinCow's theory - we just played a game of fools. A game we couldn't have won - because our win condition does not exist. We were put here in the fort to scratch our behinds and die a slow death - never being able to reach our goal.

The role PM indicate that I don't really believe that there is a demon - but the win condition, the Great win condition, states that I and Yaropolk must survive and must have killed the demon. Yes, it is written DEMON. Go figure. If it is as Yaropolk, my old friend and master suggests, he is one of the smartest men in the world - or was at least, we are dealing with animated dead or some trickster who can fool us into thinking we killed him. Whether by Science or Magic - we are being fooled.

[TinCow]

we are dealing with animated dead or some trickster who can fool us into thinking we killed him. Whether by Science or Magic - we are being fooled.

So, you're going stick with the theory that the current killers are players who already died?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

So, you're going stick with the theory that the current killers are players who already died?

Just make sure you people don't come and put more holes into my body. If you do then I will get back from the dead and kill you all! :brood:

[Askthepizzaguy]

The role PM indicate that I don't really believe that there is a demon - but the win condition, the Great win condition, states that I and Yaropolk must survive and must have killed the demon.

That makes sense actually. That's not unlike myself and W_E's victory condition regarding the assassins. Now that they are gone we are just supposed to survive.

It still nags on my scumdar that you didn't even seriously attempt to do your mission the correct way. You vigilante killed almost no one, and according to you, that was the only way you could defeat your main opponent. I am not satisfied with your explanation there.

[Jolt]

Seriously, if the last killers are dead, then the game is becoming stupid. >_>

[Beskar]

Seriously, if the last killers are dead, then the game is becoming stupid. >_>

Exactly.

The turks are meant to be dead, the noble assassins are dead, so are the demons, the dwarfs, the elves and the fairy godmother and last and not least, the flying microwavable spaghetti monster.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know that the demons are dead, Beskar?

[Secura]

Meep, someone dropped a clanger...

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I may, I would just like to take a moment and point out how awesome the word "Meep" is. It is quite possibly the best bit of onomatopoeia ever.

[Beskar]

You know that the demons are dead, Beskar?

No, I said when "meant", I meant it to all the things I mentioned. I was trying to say in short, in many ways, the game seems over. I haven't got a clue who the "bad guy is", how many there are, or anything.

Also, I am the only town alive, the rest of you are just neutrals or extra-roles.

So it seems either that I get killed, the game ends and mafia win as one of you is holding up the game ending due to being scum, or CR just can't be bothered to end the game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well there were at least two yesterday, so there's at least one remaining.

[Yaropolk]

That makes sense actually. That's not unlike myself and W_E's victory condition regarding the assassins. Now that they are gone we are just supposed to survive.

It still nags on my scumdar that you didn't even seriously attempt to do your mission the correct way. You vigilante killed almost no one, and according to you, that was the only way you could defeat your main opponent. I am not satisfied with your explanation there.

We struck a deal with TC on day one to avoid killing needlessly.

[seireikhaan]

Is it strange that people can be so predictable, and yet, still so entertaining?

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's that? The sound of unhelpful taunting?

It seems another dead body wants to be desecrated.

[Subotan]

How did such a great advantage over the mafia end up being spurned away by the town?

[a completely inoffensive name]

How did such a great advantage over the mafia end up being spurned away by the town?

What advantage? I didn't realize having the most out of control vig group counted as an advantage.

[Subotan]

We were pretty out of control in Pirate Ship Mafia, and look how tht turned out.

Also, getting a mafia to kill himself in a night action and another revealing herself in plain view and you've got a town victory on a platter. Well, they would have had if they'd listened to me.

[TinCow]

How did such a great advantage over the mafia end up being spurned away by the town?

I think this game is progressing generally how CR intended it to. While the Turks do indeed seem to have gotten stupendously unlucky, this game clearly included a lot of other roles that were designed to cause further chaos and death within the town, even if they weren't strictly anti-town. It's a setup designed for entertainment and surprise, and it's achieved that very well so far, IMHO.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Shadow Fort, Day 11

The wind had returned this night, though it did not include snow. Mainly it howled through the crenellations.

Beskar was finding it hard to hear over the gusts as he exited the tavern. He had not walked far when there was a lull in the wind. Just at the moment he heard footsteps and a grunt behind him. He turned to see a man flinging something a spear at him.

Beskar dodged sideways out of instinct and the spear barely missed him. The attacker was already drawing a long sword and barreling down on top of him. Beskar drew his own sword and readied himself. He deflected the first blow and moved to strike in return, but his attacker had already pivoted his sword and struck again. Backpedaling, Beskar was forced to defend himself.

It was not going well. The third time the attacker cut with his sword the glancing blow hit Beskar, who winced but kept defending. With another strike the attacker had knocked the tip of Beskar’s sword aside, then quickly brought his sword around in a great overhead strike at Beskar.

Beskar had just backed up into the wall, and could see the blow coming at him, but didn’t have the time to guard himself with his sword. The attacker’s strike was sure to kill him – until it hit the low hanging roof of the hut Beskar had backed into. For a brief moment, the attacker didn’t understand what had happened, and looked up at the roof.

Reacting quickly, Beskar kicked out at his attacker’s knee and connected. The attacked yelled in pain and stumbled backwards. Beskar again reacted quickly, this time to run towards the keep as fast as possible, yelling, “Guards, guards!”

His attacker took a step after him, winced when his injured leg hit the ground, and decided to make his way into the darkness instead.


Later that night, the wind died down, though only after pushing in clouds to cover the moon and sky. Yaropolk was moving with determination through the snow. His path brought him along the impromptu graveyard, where the bodies stretched for a great distance.

Snow covered corpses were lined up alongside his path. Yaropolk paid a cautious eye to the bodies, and noticed one right next to him seemed to have an odd accumulation of snow.

The ground moved and a man burst out of the snow, roaring in an inhuman manner. Yaropolk fell back, startled, his breath caught in his throat. The figure, clad in dark robes, had swung up as though pivoted on its feet, holding a spiked weapon and surrounded by flying snow. Yaropolk began drawing his sword.

Out of the darkness a bolt flew and struck his left arm. Yaropolk grunted and glanced to his side. A figure, clothed in a long dark cloak, had appeared and was charging at him, morningstar held back ready to strike.

The attacker who had burst from the snow was already on top of Yaropolk and swung his own morning star. Yaropolk barely managed to get his sword in place to guard against the blow. The morning star did not appear to be deflected; instead it came swinging at him again with no pause. Yaropolk had moved to strike, but had to stop and defend this blow as well.

The second attacker covered the distance between them and was now swinging his morning star at Yaropolk, who barely saw the blow coming. He struggled to defend himself in time, and failed; the morning star powered through his hasty block and struck his side, severely denting his plate armor. Yaropolk gasped as the concussive shock traveled through his body, but kept hold of his sword.

His first attacker struck again, and Yaropolk stepped back, trying to put distance between his attackers. They closed in on him, both swinging constantly with their morning stars, every attack well aimed. It was all Yaropolk could do to deflect the blows while continuing to fall back.

This lasted for all of three seconds. One of his attackers ceased the assault and became a blur Yaropolk could hardly see. The blur moved to Yaropolk’s back and struck. Yaropolk did not have time to be afraid; he simply turned to block the strike.

He was to late; the morning star struck home on his leg, rending the armor and flesh. Yaropolk cried out in pain, lashing out in desperation with his sword. The attacked had already moved out of range, and the sword passed through air.

The other attacker had paused, watching with glee.

The man who had hit Yaropolk nodded and said, “Finish him.”

The other attacker dropped his morning star and rushed Yaropolk, screaming, “Blood!”

With one hand he took hold of the plate breastplate and kept running, lifting Yaropolk up and keeping him there with momentum.

“Blood for Blood God!” he roared inhumanly, running towards the stonewall, attempting to bash Yaropolk to death against it. The attacker’s face had become frenzied, with spittle flying from his screaming jaws.

Yaropolk was not yet finished. With one hand trying to break the grip, he struck with his sword using the other. Though not a full powered blow, it hit home on the side of the attacker’s torso. He did not seem to notice.

Desperate, knowing his doom approached, Yaropolk dropped the sword and grabbed something from around his neck, then brought it down with all the force he could muster onto the arm of his attacker.

Yaropolk fell hard, landing on top of snow-covered corpses, bouncing and sliding to a rest at the foot of the stonewall, the end of the crossbow bolt breaking off as he did. He glanced up and saw his attacker holding his arm in pain. He glared, face contorted with rage, at Yaropolk.

Yaropolk quickly struggled to his feet, drawing his knife. His attacker drew a sword and began sprinting at him, screaming for blood.

The attacker almost flew across the snow, a blur of rage, sword ready to strike. Yaropolk held his ground until the last moment, then launched himself at his attacker, driving his shoulder forward. His attacker, seemingly mad with rage, reacted instantly to the decreased range, striking Yaropolk’s torso. The blow split his plate armor, but the blade did not penetrate far, and Yaropolk used his momentum to bear his attacker to the ground, then began stabbing and slashing frantically. The numerous blows cut the face and body of his attacker, but nothing struck home at a vital area. The prone attacker yelled in pain, frantically trying to claw Yaropolk off.

It took only seconds for Yaropolk to regain his calm and draw back his arm to slash the attacker’s throat. But the other attacker was behind him, and kicked him off. Yaropolk flew forward, landing headfirst in the snow. The uninjured attacker was coming towards him, morning star raised.

“You Shall Die!”

Yaropolk tried to scramble backwards, but his hands slipped through the fallen snow. He felt his left hand go through the snow, hit some hard frozen object, slide off, then hit metal. Yaropolk did not bother to look; if it wasn’t his sword he had no hope. His fingers closed around the blade, judging by the weight as he lifted it where he held it, pointing the tip away from him – the attacker looming over him had begun to swing – and grabbed the hilt with his right hand, bracing it against his stomach.

His attacker ran into his sword and cried in pain, dropping his morning star and grabbing the blade. For a moment the combatants paused there, Yaropolk braced on the ground, his attacker impaled on the sword, squirming. Then the attacker stopped moving, stared at Yaropolk, and began to pull himself closer, drawing the blade through his body, smiling as he did so.

Yaropolk gasped in fear and turned the blade to the side, dropping the attacker on the ground before yanking the blade free. He looked at the other attacker, who had gotten up and was wiping the blood from his face. Despite the pain in his leg, Yaropolk had never run faster in his life, leaving his attackers in the darkness behind him.

“And that’s not quite all, sir,” said Hans.

“Hmm, what else? Some corpses were hacked at last night?” asked Gerard.

“Actually…”

“Well that seems trivial. I don’t see why the guards bother giving me such details. I’m not going to waste my time telling people about corpse desecrations when people are dying.”

Hans shrugged, and they went down to the hall.

The survivors sat apart from each other, constantly watching out of the corners of their eyes.

“My friends! I bring good tidings! The man you selected, Blackadder, was a Turkish spy!

“Alas, Methos was a good man, a soldier and member of this garrison. And the rest killed the same night as he; ACIN, Splitpersonality, and Csargo, were travelers. ACIN and Csargo, however, did seem to be members of some odd secret society, which was highly regulated in how often they had to drink beer from what my investigators could tell.

“And now all you have to do is choose who will be selected for release from this Hell,” Gerard grinned.

It is now the day phase! This phase will last for 32 hours, until 8 PM PST Thursday April 8.

Alive:
Beskar
Jolt
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk


Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6
Beefy187 D7
Captain Blackadder D8
Yaseikhaan D9
Sigurd D10


Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6
Scienter N7
Reenk Roink N7
Renata N7
Methos N8
Csargo N8
ACIN N8
spL1tp3r50naL1ty N8
atheotes N9

Forced to Wander the Snow:
Double A

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yaropolk is badass.

So pizza and WE are the morning star pair? That seems most likely.

[Askthepizzaguy]

White_Eyes was out attacking Beskar, so no.

[TinCow]

Yaropolk is badass.

So pizza and WE are the morning star pair? That seems most likely.

No, there's another option. Mind explaining what you were up to?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why the heck was WE attacking beskar? I thought that was joooray.

Interesting that WE actually clears himself. That leaves only 4 possibles. I have my ideas, but I guess we can wait for the investigation results then.

I supposed it's for the best since our "confirm by attacking the dead" plan was rightfully foiled by CR.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No, there's another option. Mind explaining what you were up to?

Ahhhh, this again? I was attacking the dead. CR confirmed that someone did at least.

And remember I was shown not a morning-star killer last night :inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beskar and Joooray stated that they would be attacking TinCow, who was protected by Jolt. That didn't happen. By the way, result on Jolt is that he is NOT suspicious. He was not in his room last night and there was nothing indicating either Turkish or assassin weaponry.

Vote: Joooray

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why did they decide to do that anyway?

Joooray confessed privately to someone to having killed seon, which is a bit odd for mafia.

I want to wait for Yaro's results though ,as the writeup almost confirms actual demons.

[TinCow]

Ahhhh, this again? I was attacking the dead. CR confirmed that someone did at least.

And remember I was shown not a morning-star killer last night :inquisitive:

Weapon usage means nothing. Unless someone fesses up to the duo attack on Yaropolk (which I think they won't), there was one more attacker last night than there should have been. That means there were THREE scum left alive on N9, which means your corpse desecration activity no longer clears you. As such, the logic that implicates Jolt now also implicates you.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No TinCow. Since WE did the attack on beskar, the duo that attacked yaro is the same duo from last night. And since I was the only one to attack corpses last night, the fact that it is mentioned in the writeup confirms that I was attacking corpses.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Snow covered corpses were lined up alongside his path. Yaropolk paid a cautious eye to the bodies, and noticed one right next to him seemed to have an odd accumulation of snow.

The ground moved and a man burst out of the snow, roaring in an inhuman manner. Yaropolk fell back, startled, his breath caught in his throat. The figure, clad in dark robes, had swung up as though pivoted on its feet, holding a spiked weapon and surrounded by flying snow. Yaropolk began drawing his sword.

This part interests me. I no longer believe these things are ordinary humans, no offense TinCow.

[Renata]

I totally missed that Blackadder actually was a Turk in all the carnage. At least that's one!

[Askthepizzaguy]

That proves that W_E was out invesigating Blackadder when he said he was.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I guess Jolt and Joooray could be our mafia.

[TinCow]

No TinCow. Since WE did the attack on beskar, the duo that attacked yaro is the same duo from last night. And since I was the only one to attack corpses last night, the fact that it is mentioned in the writeup confirms that I was attacking corpses.

That theory is plausible, but it would mean we were totally wrong about Sigurd. The evidence against him was very decent and I'm not inclined to throw that theory out the window without another good one to replace it. If no one else claims to have attacked corpses, that is certainly a mark in your favor. Let's see what the others have to say.


I no longer believe these things are ordinary humans, no offense TinCow.

I'm beyond caring at this point. I played my role as I was instructed to and I'll let CR determine how well I performed. My only concern now is figuring out what's going on.

For the record, W_E is not superstitious, which makes is further evidence that that he's not the one running around raving about Blood for the Blood God.

[Jolt]

Weapon usage means nothing. Unless someone fesses up to the duo attack on Yaropolk (which I think they won't), there was one more attacker last night than there should have been. That means there were THREE scum left alive on N9, which means your corpse desecration activity no longer clears you. As such, the logic that implicates Jolt now also implicates you.

It has already been said that WE was behind the attack on Beskar (I was even originally protecting Beskar before changing to TinCow), so we still have 2 unidentified attackers.

The strange thing is that that has been said before, and yet you are making a post casting doubts in the overall number of attacker which stirs up confusion quite a bit. Something that would definitely be done by a Mafioso. What was your investigation result?

[Jolt]

I guess Jolt and Joooray could be our mafia.

Eh? Mind you telling me where is any shred of evidence that I belong to the Mafia? Or are you not so sure that a role that I revealed that you said was pretty similar to yours as to not converting to Anti-Town faction, isn't really much like yours?

[TinCow]

yet you are making a post casting doubts in the overall number of attacker which stirs up confusion quite a bit. Something that would definitely be done by a Mafioso.

I am casting doubt because there should not have been 2 people left to attack Yaropolk last night. I was very certain about Sigurd, and so was Sasaki. That means that either Sigurd was not scum, or there were 3 scum on N9, one of which did not attack. I am entertaining both theories, because both need to be considered.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Eh? Mind you telling me where is any shred of evidence that I belong to the Mafia? Or are you not so sure that a role that I revealed that you said was pretty similar to yours as to not converting to Anti-Town faction, isn't really much like yours?

Did you get any indication whatsoever from Crazed Rabbit that Beskar and Joooray attacked your protection target?

Why would they pretend to attack TinCow and then not do it?

My only theories are that they decided against it at the last minute without telling anyone, or that they intentionally did this to remove protection from Yaropolk.

[Jolt]

Did you get any indication whatsoever from Crazed Rabbit that Beskar and Joooray attacked your protection target?

Why would they pretend to attack TinCow and then not do it?

My only theories are that they decided against it at the last minute without telling anyone, or that they intentionally did this to remove protection from Yaropolk.

I recieved nothing from CR. Which means TinCow wasn't attacked.

[TinCow]

Just so that things don't get lost in the shuffle here, why was W_E attacking Beskar in the first place?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beskar and Joooray need to explain what they actually did last night. I can account for everyone except for their actions and Jolt's actions.

edit: Well, and TinCow's.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just so that things don't get lost in the shuffle here, why was W_E attacking Beskar in the first place?

He was feeling suicidal since he thought Sasaki was going to kill him.

[TinCow]

Beskar and Joooray need to explain what they actually did last night. I can account for everyone except for their actions and Jolt's actions.

edit: Well, and TinCow's.

What were you doing?

nm, forgot the investigation

[Jolt]

Just so that things don't get lost in the shuffle here, why was W_E attacking Beskar in the first place?

I have no idea. Possibly because WE thought Beskar was Mafia.

Anyways, what was EVERYONE doing this night?

This is good as we can see what each man says, and phreaps detect patterns in both Mafioso excuses.

I was gonna protect Beskar as I got told he was going to be attacked, but ended up protecting TinCow because he is supposedly and investigator and I also got told he was going to be attacked.

[Askthepizzaguy]

By the way, result on Jolt is that he is NOT suspicious. He was not in his room last night and there was nothing indicating either Turkish or assassin weaponry.

I performed my second investigation on Jolt.

[TinCow]

I investigated White_eyes, who was not superstitous.

The problem with Beskar and Joooray is that they both have an alibi (attacking Scienter) on N7, which means they're not Screwtape/Wormwood. If they're not that duo, then where did those guys go? The only options are 'khaan, Sigurd, and atheotes as everyone else has been revealed. I'm having difficulty believing we had 4 raving blood-drinking psychopaths running around after N8.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I attacked Methos.

[Yaropolk]

CR spanked me for posting the investigation PM...

Basically Jolt is clean, ATPG is a maybe, Something is very strange about White Eyes

Also, I have a pretty good idea of who attacked me
:smash::smash::smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I investigated White_eyes, who was not superstitous.

The problem with Beskar and Joooray is that they both have an alibi (attacking Scienter) on N7, which means they're not Screwtape/Wormwood. If they're not that duo, then where did those guys go? The only options are 'khaan, Sigurd, and atheotes as everyone else has been revealed. I'm having difficulty believing we had 4 raving blood-drinking psychopaths running around after N8.

You're right. Beskar and Joooray can't be Screwtape/Wormwood. I suppose one of them could be a recruit.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Beskar and Joooray need to explain what they actually did last night. I can account for everyone except for their actions and Jolt's actions.


Actually it seems fairly obvious. They just said that about TC to get the protection moved, and tried to kill Yaropolk (they probably win if they kill him).

GH said that he was hunting a "beast" serial killer, who was on a delay (he figured by reading his win conditions). Perhaps joooray was the beast or got bitten by the beast and turned or something.

Actually none of it makes sense really.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Very confused :help:

[TinCow]

CR spanked me for posting the investigation PM...

Basically Jolt is clean, ATPG is a maybe, Something is very strange about White Eyes

Also, I have a pretty good idea of who attacked me
:smash::smash::smash:

Ok, how about all you crazy blood drinking supernatural freaks leave me alone and just butcher each other. I'll sit in the corner and you can let me know when you're done. Then I'll go on my merry way, turn in my physician's license, and live in a monastery for the rest of my life.

[Yaropolk]

TO the host: I believe today we were supposed to get investigation results on Captain Blackadder.

[Jolt]

Why would TinCow's presence be unnerving?

Vote: ATPG

[Sasaki Kojiro]

TO the host: I believe today we were supposed to get investigation results on Captain Blackadder.

He was revealed as a Turk.

Do you know who is guilty? Help me out here! :help:

[Jolt]

TO the host: I believe today we were supposed to get investigation results on Captain Blackadder.

We did, it's in the write-up. He's a Turk.

TinCow did you investigate ATPG before?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think it would help to visualize everything and write down what we know about each player in one spot.

Beskar- claims to be ordinary traveler, was able to shrug off a noble defender's attack. Has alibi for Screwtape/Wormwood night couple nights back
Jolt- Has been in the writeup defending before, my results indicate no guilt, but they aren't conclusive. Should have been cleared last night via actions but wasn't.
Sasaki Kojiro- Probably out attacking Methos, but no way to be sure. Has alibi during one of the recent two-man kills.
Joooray- Similar to Beskar in that he has an alibi for Screwtape/Wormwood a couple nights back, but could be a recruit. Did anyone scan him recently?
TinCow- Says W_E is not superstitious.
Askthepizzaguy- Investigation on Jolt is not suspicious, not in his room.
White_eyes:D- Got a positive ID on Blackadder, claimed to be attacking Beskar, and that is something visible we can see
Yaropolk- Obviously not the attackers who went after him. Has been doing investigations and did a kill which clears him as well.


Of those, who is the most likely to be a shampire?

Can we find two people who could be doing this from this list, or is it time to re-open the "dead people" theory?

[Yaropolk]

You are right, it was not bolded and I missed it. I will deal with my attacker myself tonight ... I dont want to see him lynched.

As for remaining baddies, no idea - i'll vote: white_eyes based on my investigation results

[TinCow]

CR spanked me for posting the investigation PM...

Basically Jolt is clean, ATPG is a maybe, Something is very strange about White Eyes

Also, I have a pretty good idea of who attacked me
:smash::smash::smash:

I know in the past you've gotten ambiguous results on people. Are these results like the previous ambiguous ones, or are these different? I'm still clinging to the last shred of faith in my role PM and considering the idea that your superstitions are making you see demons everywhere. That would work if these results were similar to your earlier results, but not if they're noticeably different.

[Subotan]

Beskar and Joooray can't be Screwtape/Wormwood. I suppose one of them could be a recruit.

Although Beskar was not originally mafiosi, it is perfectly possible that he was recruited. I know this from experience :bounce:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm going to go back to my first theory of the day and say Pizza is guilty I think. Reopening the dead is just a desperate attempt to avoid suspicion.

I would actually suppose it's Pizza, WE and someone else, meaning that we are on tricky ground indeed.