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Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 21:42
Just basing this on the writeups where you have a guy who leaps out of the pile of corpses and gets impaled through the chest and doesn't seem to care, Sasaki.
Yaropolk
04-07-2010, 21:43
CR - is No Lynch still an option at this point?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-07-2010, 21:45
Just basing this on the writeups where you have a guy who leaps out of the pile of corpses and gets impaled through the chest and doesn't seem to care, Sasaki.
Which you could very well have setup.
CR - is No Lynch still an option at this point?
Nope
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 21:54
Which you could very well have setup.
Hmm I think not.
You seem especially resistant to the idea. TinCow has an excuse that he's a rationalist, but if Beskar and Joooray were attacking the dead, that leaves you and TinCow. Of the two, I choose you, pikachu.
unvote, vote: Sasaki Kojiro
You are right, it was not bolded and I missed it. I will deal with my attacker myself tonight ... I dont want to see him lynched.
As for remaining baddies, no idea - i'll vote: white_eyes based on my investigation results
Your results said you found nothing suspicious in White_Eyes room, which probably means he's not the monster. The later reference to something unnerving is most probably due to TinCow. Either due TinCow being a scientist and in confrontation with the demonic beliefs or something OR because TinCow is one of the demons themselves. I'm not pending to either side, but the second theory is a viable option in the future
I wish I had half a chance of figuring out what's going on here. It's so baffling you can't even break out the popcorn. There's nothing to get a handle on.
Why would TinCow's presence be unnerving?
What's this in reference to?
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 22:01
Why it's very simple. Sasaki was present when we formulated all our plans for last night, he was aware of who was getting attacked, and who was defended. He has an alibi for some nights back, but not after the most recent likely conversion writeup. Here you have a guy who is able to kill by himself, and I can't recall an instance where he was ever attacked by the demon team. He's shooting down ideas and still thinks it is White_Eyes even after it was obviously not White_Eyes. Now he's accusing me, and I know where I was last night.
You only get to guess wrong so many times before you have to pay for it.
Yaropolk
04-07-2010, 22:05
Sasaki and I were busy hacking up Ibn K's corpse when demons killed Atheotes
What's this in reference to?
To Yaropolk's quoted/now deleted Investigation results. Which is the basis for my voting for ATPG. Since it said that in his investigation, he found ATPG to possibly be the thing he's looking for.
While in WE's room it said he didn't found any sign that WE is what he is looking for.
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 22:10
*facepalm*
Okay.... Well, Sasaki still owes me an apology.
unvote, vote: Beskar
Yaropolk
04-07-2010, 22:15
To Yaropolk's quoted/now deleted Investigation results. Which is the basis for my voting for ATPG. Since it said that in his investigation, he found ATPG to possibly be the thing he's looking for.
While in WE's room it said he didn't found any sign that WE is what he is looking for.
Jolt - he didn't have any weird items on him, but there was a feeling that came over me when I picked up his sword....
I'm not sure why that would be related to TC in any way
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 22:19
Have you ever had a similar reaction in any other investigation before?
Yaropolk
04-07-2010, 22:20
No, the only other time a specific item was ever mentioned in my investigation was when I found scientific textbooks in TC's stuff. Every other suspicious results was just "he has some suspicious items" or something nondescript along those lines.
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 22:23
The trouble is, Yaropolk, if I support this lynch, I lose the game.
At this point, even if he were evil, I can't vote for him. My victory is tied to his.
Jolt - he didn't have any weird items on him, but there was a feeling that came over me when I picked up his sword....
I'm not sure why that would be related to TC in any way
Well, you didn't mention that so there was no way I could know. >_>
Then it could very well be ATPG & WE.
Yaropolk
04-07-2010, 22:26
Listen my victory was tied to Sigurd - but I bit the bullet there to try and out a bad guy. ATPG - if the game doesn't end until all baddies are dead, then WE will have to turn on you eventually if he's the scum.
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 22:31
@ Jolt-
Sure, it's me and White_Eyes. We've been revealed as partners since day three, and I've defended him all game long, publicly, and even asked for him and myself to be scanned, and when that didn't happen, he went off to prove his innocence by attacking Beskar alone. It's the most ingenious WIFOM ever: simply reveal that you're mafia and hope they never ever call your bluff. My fingers are still crossed I can pull it off, because I will go beyond diamond cojones, I'll have platinum ones.
@ Yaropolk-
If he dies, I lose. Pure and simple. You want me to vote for White_Eyes and lose the game.
Well sure, why not... I give up.
unvote, vote: White_Eyes
When he's proven innocent and you guys all end up dead, I told you so.
If I was to hazard a guess that will be ignored, my money's on Tincow and Jooray.
Now that I've said that, they'll survive and we'll have a scum victory on our hands. Not that that bothers me one way or the other, of course.
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 22:48
Oh, by the way, since White_Eyes is going to die and I'm going to lose, I would be most appreciative if the mafia would please contact me so I can personally assist in the town's destruction.
These last few phases have been complete and utter confusion... but I think I've figured out who the microwaveable spagetti monster is now.
All you need to consider is who can be freely converted without worrying about betraying the town? When you sift through all the extravagant role claims and such, the answer is clear.
Yaropolk
04-07-2010, 22:51
You throwing Beskie under the Oscar Meyer Baloney Truck?
To Yaropolk's quoted/now deleted Investigation results. Which is the basis for my voting for ATPG. Since it said that in his investigation, he found ATPG to possibly be the thing he's looking for.
While in WE's room it said he didn't found any sign that WE is what he is looking for.
Right, but you said TinCow, not White_eyes. Why?
Yaropolk
04-07-2010, 22:58
TC was investigating WE tonight as well.
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 22:59
If I was to hazard a guess that will be ignored, my money's on Tincow and Jooray.
No, it is TinCow and Jolt. The way Beskar was acting before, where he volunteered everyone's role information to the mafia, smacks of a frustrated innocent. And Joooray can only be a recruit, he can't be the main guy.
I bet any money that TinCow and Jolt are guilty. It's not like I can scan for Demons, so it's very probable. I can't account for their whereabouts.
FoS: Jolt, TinCow
Interpret it as you will, good ser, I meanly wish to be put out of my misery and find out just how badly I played the game so I can facepalm some more... :curtain:
No, it is TinCow and Jolt. The way Beskar was acting before, where he volunteered everyone's role information to the mafia, smacks of a frustrated innocent. And Joooray can only be a recruit, he can't be the main guy.
I bet any money that TinCow and Jolt are guilty. It's not like I can scan for Demons, so it's very probable. I can't account for their whereabouts.
FoS: Jolt, TinCow
Do you realize that in the investigation of this past night, Yaropolk (who can investigate demons), investigated me and according to his results: There was no sign that I was what he was looking for? So, like I said to Reenk, Beskar, Sasaki and now to you: Where's the evidence?
Though I must say I find it very funny that I protect TinCow on your and Yaropolk's insistence and yet I'm suspected one?
Jolt and Sasaki should be absolved of all culpability completely; as a Warrior and Sergeant, they're not allowed, at any point, to accept a recruitment offer that would lead to them betraying the town. That apparantly transcends the fact they became members of the palatinate or whatnot... go figure.
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 23:11
Though I must say I find it very funny that I protect TinCow on your and Yaropolk's insistence and yet I'm suspected one?
There was never any attack on TinCow. That would have proved you innocent. But no, someone decided that that particular attack would blow everyone's cover.
Foo *cough* ...
I expect a formal written apology from my accusers, three pages long where they confirm their idiocy. And 30 pieces of silver as a fine to be paid to the Hungarian Royal court, my employer.
My accusations were against ATPG and WE:D because they have very weak alibis. They claim they were investigating on the nights of the demon attacks. Now ATPG claims WE:D attacked Beskar - how could that be arranged and still manage an attack on Yaropolk?
I don't think Sasaki, Yaropolk and Jolt are any of the last baddies. TinCow has a weak alibi by poisoning Split on the night of the first demon attack. I forget what the others did on that night...
Oh, by the way, since White_Eyes is going to die and I'm going to lose, I would be most appreciative if the Mafia would please contact me so I can personally assist in the town's destruction.
Like you made me lose... sorry for not sympathising.
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 23:16
Like you made me lose... sorry for not sympathising.
So you admit you were scum, and I was right to accuse you?
:bounce:
There was never any attack on TinCow. That would have proved you innocent. But no, someone decided that that particular attack would blow everyone's cover.
Ooo. So then if I was the demon with TinCow, how did I convince Beskar and Joooray (Who according to you were to attack TinCow) to not attack my "partner"? And how would the attack have "blown" their covers?
So you admit you were scum, and I was right to accuse you?
:bounce:
Nope... you lynched me and I died, which made me lose my Great victory.
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 23:28
Ooo. So then if I was the demon with TinCow, how did I convince Beskar and Joooray (Who according to you were to attack TinCow) to not attack my "partner"? And how would the attack have "blown" their covers?
If you were out performing the hit on Yaropolk, then you obviously couldn't be defending TinCow, so you talked them out of it. It's not that hard.
Your results said you found nothing suspicious in White_Eyes room, which probably means he's not the monster. The later reference to something unnerving is most probably due to TinCow. Either due TinCow being a scientist and in confrontation with the demonic beliefs or something OR because TinCow is one of the demons themselves. I'm not pending to either side, but the second theory is a viable option in the future
There's a flaw in your reasoning about Yaropolk's result on W_E making me a demon. If that result was influenced by me (and I'm not saying it was), then that means that I was indeed investigating White_eyes last night, which also means I had nothing to do with the attack on Yaropolk. So, even if you're right, you're wrong.
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 23:31
An action that would have cleared 3 people didn't happen last night, and Jolt is at the center of it all. If you're not his partner, TinCow, vote for him.
There's a flaw in your reasoning about Yaropolk's result on W_E making me a demon. If that result was influenced by me (and I'm not saying it was), then that means that I was indeed investigating White_eyes last night, which also means I had nothing to do with the attack on Yaropolk. So, even if you're right, you're wrong.
Ah, quite right. :bow:
But then, Yaropolk already confirmed it had to do with a sword rather with anything else more generic.
An action that would have cleared 3 people didn't happen last night, and Jolt is at the center of it all. If you're not his partner, TinCow, vote for him.
What the :daisy: is my fault that people didn't attack TinCow? Must I be reminding you that it was YOU which said for ME to defend him? I can easily accuse YOU as well of making me defend TinCow to set me up!
So pah-leeze, you have no evidence WHATSOEVER, while we have an investigation on YOU which points to YOU as being one of the possible scummy ones. You have NOTHING on me. NOTHING. 0. Nada.
Would be nice to see what Joooray and Beskar have to say about each other, and about Jolt. Will one throw another under the bus?
AtPG's argument about you really isn't that hard to understand, Jolt. Though personally, given only your and ATPG's claims about the set-up to go on, it seems Beskar+Joooray would be the easiest combo to postulate. Just simply don't show up for the attack. No need to convince anyone of anything. Second easiest scenario would be all three of you, or those two plus someone else. (TinCow perhaps at the top of that list, since there could have been concern about attacking a teammate when all that was standing between him and death was the word of one Sargeant with no reason to trust any of you.)
And I apologize if I'm ruining someone's carefully laid trap here or some such, but this is too silly not to point out: how can white_eyes possibly be a suspect if he was attacking Beskar last night? Any of you who said anything against him, are you postulating he has the ability to make two attacks in one night? Because if so, you haven't mentioned it. If you aren't, your arguments are patently ridiculous.
My accusations were against ATPG and WE:D because they have very weak alibis. They claim they were investigating on the nights of the demon attacks. Now ATPG claims WE:D attacked Beskar - how could that be arranged and still manage an attack on Yaropolk?
To that Sigurd quote: your first sentence there seems to have the opposite import of the last one. What are you trying to imply, exactly?
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 23:40
What the :daisy: is my fault that people didn't attack TinCow? Must I be reminding you that it was YOU which said for ME to defend him? I can easily accuse YOU as well of making me defend TinCow to set me up!
THEN WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR BESKAR OR JOOORAY? :inquisitive:
So pah-leeze, you have no evidence WHATSOEVER, while we have an investigation on YOU which points to YOU as being one of the possible scummy ones. You have NOTHING on me. NOTHING. 0. Nada.
You're voting for me, and I'm innocent. That is all I need to know. :bow:
THEN WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR BESKAR OR JOOORAY? :inquisitive:
1. Because you were the one that actually has a result with "POSSIBLY GUILTY" written on it.
2. Because you were the one that actually said they were attacking TinCow. I didn't hear it from them. So I took your word on it.
3. Because maybe they couldn't get a third member to attack? (Which, if Beskar is indeed the traveller/soldier he claims he is, he needs two more people to attack)
There you go, three reasons why I'm not voting for them.
To that Sigurd quote: your first sentence there seems to have the opposite import of the last one. What are you trying to imply, exactly?
Yes it is as you first stated...
Do we know of any incidents where anyone can do two night actions at once? Or can arrange for something to happen without themselves being there?
If not ... that corpse next to me seem pretty scummy at the moment. I swear I saw it twitch the other night.
If we suppose that we can only do one action - then why did you lynch me last round?
Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 23:53
1. Because you were the one that actually has a result with "POSSIBLY GUILTY" written on it.
2. Because you were the one that actually said they were attacking TinCow. I didn't hear it from them. So I took your word on it.
3. Because maybe they couldn't get a third member to attack? (Which, if Beskar is indeed the traveller/soldier he claims he is, he needs two more people to attack)
There you go, three reasons why I'm not voting for them.
So who do you think it is, me and White_eyes?
I've been defending White_Eyes, so vote for White_Eyes.
I know what this is, leave a couple votes on pizzaguy and then when the round is almost over, your scum partners will vote for me and end the game in a vampire victory.
3. Because maybe they couldn't get a third member to attack? (Which, if Beskar is indeed the traveller/soldier he claims he is, he needs two more people to attack)
I doubt that, in this late stage of the game, the demons would be too bothered about attacking things alone; if there's only one of them, isn't a bit unfair that they basically have to sit there and wait to be vigged or lynched themselves?
Vote: White_Eyes:D
For attacking me.
Also, I while I admit I found TinCow susipicious, I was personally asked by Yaropolk not to attack TinCow stating he was sure TinCow was innocent. Hence I didn't bother.
Last night, Pizza told me him and White_Eyes:D are fully neutral, and not town or pro-town in anyway, he also told me White_Eyes:D was attacking me, and that he has asked Jolt to protect me. Pizza said in thread that he got Jolt to protect TinCow, ergo, he lied to me, also, this would have allowed White_Eyes:D to kill me off, and for whatever reason, probably due to a lucky roll, I didn't die.
FoS: Askthepizzaguy for lying to me and allowing one of the only townies here to be almost killed.
As you for Jolt, yes, I am what I claim. My death should reveal the same result as ACIN. I am pure town.
So who do you think it is, me and White_eyes?
I've been defending White_Eyes, so vote for White_Eyes.
I know what this is, leave a couple votes on pizzaguy and then when the round is almost over, your scum partners will vote for me and end the game in a vampire victory.
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Askthepizzaguy
04-07-2010, 23:58
Vote: White_Eyes:D
For attacking me.
Also, I while I admit I found TinCow susipicious, I was personally asked by Yaropolk not to attack TinCow stating he was sure TinCow was innocent. Hence I didn't bother.
Last night, Pizza told me him and White_Eyes:D are fully neutral, and not town or pro-town in anyway, he also told me White_Eyes:D was attacking me, and that he has asked Jolt to protect me. Pizza said in thread that he got Jolt to protect TinCow, ergo, he lied to me, also, this would have allowed White_Eyes:D to kill me off, and for whatever reason, probably due to a lucky roll, I didn't die.
FoS: Askthepizzaguy for lying to me and allowing one of the only townies here to be almost killed.
FoS: Beskar
You lied about attacking TinCow.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 00:00
Vote: White_Eyes:D
For attacking me.
Also, FoS: Beskar
This means you admit he wasn't the one out doing demon kills, buddy.
FoS: Beskar
You lied about attacking TinCow.
No I didn't. I just said in the message above that I was PM'd by people not to. Such as Yaropolk.
Lets not kill Tincow....mmmkay? He's one of the few people who has an alibi, and I have refrained from vigging only at his behest. If he's bumped off, it will be a loss for the town, and no reason for me to refrain from killing any longer.
On the otherhand, you told me to get White_Eyes:D to assist in the killing...
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 00:03
On the otherhand, you told me to get White_Eyes:D to assist in the killing...
No I didn't, that's a total lie!
unvote, vote: Beskar
Also, FoS: Beskar
This means you admit he wasn't the one out doing demon kills, buddy.
That doesn't even make sense. Last round two people were killed, tonight, two people were saved from being killed and one of the attackers was White_Eyes:D. Combined with the susipicious results, I think it pretty much proves he is guilty.
What about Beskar's accusations pizzaguy?
Just to rehash. You PMed him telling you were going to get Jolt to protect him while WE:D attacked him. True or false?
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 00:04
You JUST said White_Eyes was out attacking YOU.
So then, who are the demons attacking Yaropolk?
Ok, I'm going to lay out the theory I had before this night result was posted. My opinion has changed a bit since then, but I think it's important to take things slowly, so this is how my thought process has gone.
The first night that Screwtape and Wormwood appeared was N7. Many currently living people have alibis in the write-up for that night. They are:
Beskar - Appeared in write-up killing Scienter
Yaropolk - Was attacked by Screwtape/Wormwood
TinCow - Appeared in write-up attempting to poison Split
Sasaki - Appeared in write-up killing Renata
Joooray - Appeared in write-up killing Scienter
The people who do not have an alibi in the write-up for that night are:
Jolt
White_eyes
ATPG
In addition, the following people cannot be the duo who appeared on N9, do to alibis in the write-up:
Sasaki - Appeared in write-up w/ corpse
Yaropolk - Appeared in write-up w/ corpse
I do not believe it is appropriate to vouch for ANY alibis for last night with a few exceptions:
Yaropolk - Attacked, the only person we can all agree is not our scum
Sasaki - IF no one else claims to have been desecrating corpses (and we still have not heard from Beskar and Joooray), then the write-up mention of corpse desecration clears him for a second night.
ATPG/W_E and Joooray/Beskar can vouch for each other, but none of them can be considered 100% trustworthy, so their alibis for last night cannot be considered reliable. The same is true for Jolt and I, since no one can confirm us
Now, my theory before this write-up was the Sigurd was Wormwood and Jolt was Screwtape. This was based on a weighing of the pros and cons for three suspects from N7. This was my sketch of the evidence, with Against being evidence of being a Shampire and For being evidence of being innocent:
ATPG
Against:
Sigurd attempted recruitment on N3
Is a decent fighter, consistent with Screwtape
Put in decent effort to defend W_E
For:
Not likely recruited by Sigurd on N3 due to time lapse between then and first appearance (N7)
Argued strongly for Sigurd's lynch, voted for Sigurd
Defense of W_E explained by personal victory conditions (minor victory if W_E and ATPG survive at this point)
W_E
Against:
Improperly formatted protection orders on N9.
Unusual night result report on Captain Blackadder on N7, possible that he faked it.
Is a decent fighter, consistent with Screwtape.
For:
Partner of ATPG, and ATPG cannot be recruited (according to Sigurd).
Sigurd threw a lot of scum at him when trying to save himself. Voted for Sigurd.
Jolt
Against:
Sigurd recruited him to Palatinate on N7, same night as the Screwtape/Wormwood recruitment appears to occur
Yaropolk did not receive confirmation from CR that Jolt had been recruited, had to take Sigurd's word on it
Is a decent fighter, consistent with Screwtape.
Voted for Sigurd only briefly, then gave an excuse and abstained for the rest of the round; didn't accuse or question Sigurd at all.
Was adamant that he shouldn't be required to attack corpses to show an alibi, due to importance as a defender.
For:
In previous accidental role reveal, role PM said he could not be recruited against the town.
Sasaki is a proven Palatinate recruit, which shows that Palatinate recruitment is possible.
Jolt was my prime suspect largely because Sigurd had claimed to have recruited him on N7, the same night that Screwtape and Wormwood first appeared. In that write-up, the very first section looks a lot like the recruitment occurred right then, which fit with Sigurd recruiting Jolt.
Last night, I decided not to investigate Jolt simply because I thought there was a large risk that I would not get usable results. Since Jolt claims to be part of the Palatinate now, that gives him a reason for being superstitious. So, if my results were basic and without much detail (as they have been at times in the past) then even a positive result on Jolt would prove nothing. Instead, I investigated W_E, because I knew he shouldn't be superstitious based on his role claim and I expected the Shampires to show up as superstitious. So, I figured that investigation would be useful in a manner that an investigation of Jolt would not be, even though Jolt was my prime suspect.
Now, all of that went out the window today because I expected to see a solo killer (since Sigurd is dead), not a duo. The duo shoots to pieces a lot of the above, for numerous reasons. So, based on last night, I now have several new theories:
1) ATPG and W_E. Neither has an alibi in the write-up on N7 or N9. Yaropolk also found an odd sword in W_E's room. ATPG's previous 'For' evidence of being unrecruitable suddenly becomes and 'Against' when he's paired with W_E as a Shampire, as he may have been unrecruitable specifically because he was a SHampire. However, it seems likely (though not yet confirmed) that W_E was attacking Beskar last night, which gives him an alibi for N10. In addition, my results showed him as not superstitious, which weighs against him being a Shampire.
2) Sasaki and Jolt. This theory grows on the old Sigurd/Jolt theory, but it is based on a three-man team of Sigurd/Jolt/Sasaki. Since Sigurd recruited both Jolt and Sasaki personally, he could have recruited them both as Shampires instead of Palatinate. This triumvirate theory would also defeat Sasaki's alibi on N7 and N9, as the attacks could have been done by Sigurd and Jolt on those days, with Sasaki only attacking with Jolt when Sigurd was lynched. However, Sasaki claims to have desecrated corpses last night, and that is shown in the write-up. If neither Beskar nor Joooray claim that action, then Sasaki has an alibi once again. Another point in Sasaki's favor is that he was very much onboard with lynching Sigurd and he agreed tentatively with my theories about Jolt. That makes it less likely that he was in league with them.
3) Beskar and Joooray. So far they have no alibis for last night. They were apparently supposed to attack me and didn't which is pretty damning evidence that they were the ones that attacked Yaropolk. The only thing in their favor is that they both have alibis in the write-up for N7. The only way to explain that away is if there were 4 killers as of N7, and we have since killed off 2 of them.
4) Jolt and Sigurd. My original theory, now with added superstition. The write-up shows a person rising from a grave and not dying despite a sword through the chest. That was Sigurd, now dead and being a zombie. His partner is still Jolt, who is very much alive and helping him kill from the grave. The downsides to this theory are that my role PM prevents me from believing it, and the rules to the game say that dead people stay dead.
So, that's where I'm at. Please discuss.
No I didn't, that's a total lie!
unvote, vote: Beskar
Now that is a lie, saying I am. What on earth are you up to Pizza?
As for me suspecting TinCow, it was perfectly obvious. Joooray is hunting nasties, so is Yaropolk, Sigurd, (Sasaki and Jolt who were recruited by them) and Pizza and Whiteeyes are meant to be these neutral guards. TinCow's role is to go "Hey, let's be rational here?".
It is the most suspicious role.
Only reason I didn't was because of Yaropolk who pm'd me saying TinCow had an alibi.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 00:06
What about Beskar's accusations pizzaguy?
Just to rehash. You PMed him telling you were going to get Jolt to protect him while WE:D attacked him. True or false?
YEAH, and that proves I didn't want Beskar to get killed. Now, I do.
I know what this is, leave a couple votes on pizzaguy and then when the round is almost over, your scum partners will vote for me and end the game in a vampire victory.
Out of all my questions (Which, if successfully answered, you might have been able to actually articulate your logic as to why I would be Mafia), you answered to none and yet keep pointing me as the mafioso. That is exceedingly strange.
YEAH, and that proves I didn't want Beskar to get killed. Now, I do.
You are not answering... which means it is true. You set Beskar up to die or WE:D to die. There was a chance that one of them would die in the attack - especially considering you wanted Jolt to protect him. That would have meant the end of WE:D .. no?
Lose if WE:D dies? that is a load if I have ever heard one.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 00:12
You are not answering... which means it is true. You set Beskar up to die or WE:D to die. There was a chance that one of them would die in the attack - especially considering you wanted Jolt to protect him. That would have meant the end of WE:D .. no?
Lose if WE:D dies? that is a load if I have ever heard one.
I'm not answering because I'm busy accusing others. This happened in Capo, too... when I was right, all the little creeps came out of the woodwork to attack me and pelt me with questions and discredit me. But I was right, and I am right now.
Beskar is the scum, and I should have let White_Eyes kill him outright.
Beskar is the scum, and I should have let White_Eyes kill him outright.
Actually, you just figured yourself as the scum. I am a townie, you are meant to be some random "neutral" and your partner attacked me (Apparently) and you was to arrange protection on me (which never occured).
You are not even a town, you probably wanted a survival victory with the demons since you cannot get a victory due to your noble lord dying, and thus probably even working for them.
Vote: White_Eyes:D
For attacking me.
Also, I while I admit I found TinCow susipicious, I was personally asked by Yaropolk not to attack TinCow stating he was sure TinCow was innocent. Hence I didn't bother.
Last night, Pizza told me him and White_Eyes:D are fully neutral, and not town or pro-town in anyway, he also told me White_Eyes:D was attacking me, and that he has asked Jolt to protect me. Pizza said in thread that he got Jolt to protect TinCow, ergo, he lied to me, also, this would have allowed White_Eyes:D to kill me off, and for whatever reason, probably due to a lucky roll, I didn't die.
FoS: Askthepizzaguy for lying to me and allowing one of the only townies here to be almost killed.
As you for Jolt, yes, I am what I claim. My death should reveal the same result as ACIN. I am pure town.
Your information is interesting, but you've missed an important element: your actions. I've read your posts and don't see what you claim to have done last night. Please give this information.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 00:19
Actually, you just figured yourself as the scum. I am a townie, you are meant to be some random "neutral" and your partner attacked me (Apparently) and you was to arrange protection on me (which never occured).
You are not even a town, you probably wanted a survival victory with the demons since you cannot get a victory due to your noble lord dying, and thus probably even working for them.
Of course I'm not town, Beskar. I admitted as much several rounds ago. I admitted it back when I was first "recruited" by the Palatinate. I'm neutral.
I am giving it my best try to solve this game, and you were caught lying about your activities last night and you cannot provide any alibi. And you lied when you said I tried to get White_Eyes to kill TinCow. You tried to expose and did expose all the non-basic-townie roles, and as a reward you probably got recruited.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 00:21
You are not answering... which means it is true. You set Beskar up to die or WE:D to die. There was a chance that one of them would die in the attack - especially considering you wanted Jolt to protect him. That would have meant the end of WE:D .. no?
Lose if WE:D dies? that is a load if I have ever heard one.
I would lose if he got vigilante killed that night, so I set it up so that he would have an alibi by attacking Beskar. That would prove he's not mafia.
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 00:23
I am just going to Vote:Beskar:juggle2:
I don't really care anymore:laugh4:
Your information is interesting, but you've missed an important element: your actions. I've read your posts and don't see what you claim to have done last night. Please give hits information.
No actions. I require a group of three to do any actions. Since the alternative was to "attack bodies", which would have been pointless, and CR said he wouldn't write it up anyway, I didn't send anything in, and this is what probably saved me last night from the attack.
I am giving it my best try to solve this game, and you were caught lying about your activities last night and you cannot provide any alibi.
Erm.. no, I never lied about last night. I was told by Yaropolk not to attack TinCow saying he had an alibi, I followed Yaropolk's wishes and not attacked TinCow. So unless Yaropolk comes out here saying he never sent me such a private message saying TinCow has an alibi, so not to attack me, please point people to it. Otherwise, you are just talking out of your behind.
And you lied when you said I tried to get White_Eyes to kill TinCow. You tried to expose and did expose all the non-basic-townie roles, and as a reward you probably got recruited.
Bull :daisy:, you said for me and Joooray to work together with White_Eyes:D to attack TinCow. Don't lie. When I told you that if I was going to attack TinCow, we would require a third member since I am only a soldier, you gave me White_eyes:D 's name saying he was free to do it.
I would lose if he got vigilante killed that night, so I set it up so that he would have an alibi by attacking Beskar. That would prove he's not mafia.
But you have to admit that there was a chance WE:D would be killed in the attack. If Beskar was the demon that is.
Here is the thing I don't quite get... It states in our PMs that we can't kill the demon by ourselves. We need to spend a night in preparation to kill a demon (takes two nights if we do it solo or together), but if we lead a team of townies then we can do it off the bat like we did on night 8 was it? I have already mentioned this earlier so I don't think this is considered new information. Would this mean that you knew WE:D would survive even if Jolt did the protecting of Beskar?
Also, I just realised. You knew about the proposed TinCow attack, and you put Jolt on him to protect him even though you encouraged it. Also, since Jolt is meant to be some uber role, me attacking would have been fruitless, since White_Eyes:D would have attacked me regardless, and you would get Joooray not join in, thus I would get slaughtered by Jolt.
Play nice- 'Khaan
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 00:30
But you have to admit that there was a chance WE:D would be killed in the attack. If Beskar was the demon that is.
Here is the thing I don't quite get... It states in our PMs that we can't kill the demon by ourselves. We need to spend a night in preparation to kill a demon (takes two nights if we do it solo or together), but if we lead a team of townies then we can do it off the bat like we did on night 8 was it? I have already mentioned this earlier so I don't think this is considered new information. Would this mean that you knew WE:D would survive even if Jolt did the protecting of Beskar?
If White_Eyes died, that would just prove him innocent. There was still a big chance no one would have died and it would have established his whereabouts.
Alright, I'm going to have to add theory #5:
ATPG and Sigurd. Generally the same as Jolt and Sigurd, but with ATPG as the recruit instead of Jolt. Sigurd claims he tried to recruit ATPG on N3 and failed, perhaps he didn't. This theory also avoid a lot of the problems with the ATPG/W_E theory, because in this theory W_E is not scum, which is why his attack on Beskar is correct, and why I didn't find W_E superstitious. Worth noting that ATPG is one of only 2 people (the other being Jolt) who does not have an alibi in the write-up on any single night when the Shampires appeared. The downsides to this theory are that ATPG went after Sigurd pretty heavily for the lynch (and Sigurd is reciprocating now) and the rules still say that dead people stay dead.
What about Beskar's accusations pizzaguy?
Just to rehash. You PMed him telling you were going to get Jolt to protect him while WE:D attacked him. True or false?
He did. And I had Beskar protected. Then ATPG said TinCow was to be attacked by Beskar and Joooray, and he and Yaropolk asked me to go protect TinCow. Obviously, I'd rather protect a supposed pro-town investigator than a regular townie.
2) Sasaki and Jolt. This theory grows on the old Sigurd/Jolt theory, but it is based on a three-man team of Sigurd/Jolt/Sasaki. Since Sigurd recruited both Jolt and Sasaki personally, he could have recruited them both as Shampires instead of Palatinate. This triumvirate theory would also defeat Sasaki's alibi on N7 and N9, as the attacks could have been done by Sigurd and Jolt on those days, with Sasaki only attacking with Jolt when Sigurd was lynched. However, Sasaki claims to have desecrated corpses last night, and that is shown in the write-up. If neither Beskar nor Joooray claim that action, then Sasaki has an alibi once again. Another point in Sasaki's favor is that he was very much onboard with lynching Sigurd and he agreed tentatively with my theories about Jolt. That makes it less likely that he was in league with them.
So your theory here is actually that the whole Paladins except Yaropolk (Who is hunting demons since the beginning), and yet we all in cahoot, didn't take him out immediatly, the three of us? Brilliant.
4) Jolt and Sigurd. My original theory, now with added superstition. The write-up shows a person rising from a grave and not dying despite a sword through the chest. That was Sigurd, now dead and being a zombie. His partner is still Jolt, who is very much alive and helping him kill from the grave. The downsides to this theory are that my role PM prevents me from believing it, and the rules to the game say that dead people stay dead.
I was protecting and as such I don't have an alibi. Obviously, you could well fit into this theory yourself.
Alright, I'm going to have to add theory #5:
ATPG and Sigurd. Generally the same as Jolt and Sigurd, but with ATPG as the recruit instead of Jolt. Sigurd claims he tried to recruit ATPG on N3 and failed, perhaps he didn't. This theory also avoid a lot of the problems with the ATPG/W_E theory, because in this theory W_E is not scum, which is why his attack on Beskar is correct, and why I didn't find W_E superstitious. Worth noting that ATPG is one of only 2 people (the other being Jolt) who does not have an alibi in the write-up on any single night when the Shampires appeared. The downsides to this theory are that ATPG went after Sigurd pretty heavily for the lynch (and Sigurd is reciprocating now) and the rules still say that dead people stay dead.
If that gets ATPG lynched, I am all for it.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 00:34
:daisy: you Pizza, you tried to kill me last night, and being pretty much the only none-3rd party here, you was pretty much killing a townie on purpose.
I was going to have you protected by Jolt.
I love how everyone has TinCow pegged down as 100% pro-town.
One role that directly contradicts two factions? Sounds totally legit. ¬_¬
I was going to have you protected by Jolt.
Which would have killed WE:D... well lynch or not to lynch?
vote: ATPG
The downsides to this theory are that ATPG went after Sigurd pretty heavily for the lynch (and Sigurd is reciprocating now) and the rules still say that dead people stay dead.
Combined Victory, Sigurd doesn't need to live to win. If he recruited ATPG, he could feign a rivalry to try to distance themselves, (thus not bring about that theory) and thus they win.
I done it before in Netherworld with atheotes, if you remember correctly, TinCow?
In Netherworld, we the mafia knew atheotes was exposed due to YLC's ability and knew he was about to get killed. I came to you, saying atheotes claimed to be an investigator, saying chaotix was guilty. We got chaotix killed (a pro-town) and we actually got atheotes' death delayed and we got CCRunner exposed for me to kill.
So your theory here is actually that the whole Paladins except Yaropolk (Who is hunting demons since the beginning), and yet we all in cahoot, didn't take him out immediatly, the three of us? Brilliant.
:shrug: I'm as confused as you are, you'll have to indulge my speculation a bit. In any case, unless Joooray claims to have been stabbing corpses, Sasaki has an alibi and the Sasaki/Jolt theory is dead.
I was protecting and as such I don't have an alibi. Obviously, you could well fit into this theory yourself.
I am not going to include myself in my own theories for obvious reasons. Please feel free to fit me into one of your own.
I love how everyone has TinCow pegged down as 100% pro-town.
One role that directly contradicts two factions? Sounds totally legit. ¬_¬
Don't worry. I have my eyes all over TinCow.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 00:39
Don't worry. I have my eyes all over TinCow.
So vote for him!
Combined Victory, Sigurd doesn't need to live to win. If he recruited ATPG, he could feign a rivalry to try to distance themselves, (thus not bring about that theory) and thus they win.
I done it before in Netherworld with atheotes, if you remember correctly, TinCow?
In Netherworld, we the mafia knew atheotes was exposed due to YLC's ability and knew he was about to get killed. I came to you, saying atheotes claimed to be an investigator, saying chaotix was guilty. We got chaotix killed (a pro-town) and we actually got atheotes' death delayed and we got CCRunner exposed for me to kill.
Yes, that is very true. ATPG didn't jump on the Sigurd vote immediately, he only did so after a bit of PMing with Sasaki IIRC. Sigurd didn't exactly put much effort into defending himself either.
The biggest problem is this bit from the rules:
What will not be a lie is the list of those who are dead, for the dead will not return.
Though, perhaps this refers just to coming back to life, not killing from beyond the grave...
Combined Victory, Sigurd doesn't need to live to win. If he recruited ATPG, he could feign a rivalry to try to distance themselves, (thus not bring about that theory) and thus they win.
I done it before in Netherworld with atheotes, if you remember correctly, TinCow?
In Netherworld, we the mafia knew atheotes was exposed due to YLC's ability and knew he was about to get killed. I came to you, saying atheotes claimed to be an investigator, saying chaotix was guilty. We got chaotix killed (a pro-town) and we actually got atheotes' death delayed and we got CCRunner exposed for me to kill.
So who killed with ATPG then, Beskar?
So vote for him!
I'm very willing to but himself, pretty much like me, has no dirt on him.
We are all pretty much very confused (I'll be pissed if the attacks are coming really from the dead and they win the game, since if that is so, than how the heck are we supposed to lynch them? They would have a gigantic advantage over the town.) and because of that, the only palpable fact we have is the investigation result on you. Coupled by the fact that his investigation on me was true, and the lack of leads elsewhere, makes me vote for you.
So who killed with ATPG then, Beskar?
Well, people have said about the dead killing...
Oh wait, I get it, ask me a question I don't have a Sigurd of answering?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 01:02
So vote for him!
Seriously pizza??? You're asking him to vote for TinCow?
WE and pizza both had suspicious results on them from yaropolk. But WE's was more suspicious. 3 man scum team is possible.
unvote, vote:White_Eyes
Innocent:
Me
Yaro
Jolt
TC
Possibly guilt:
WE (probable)
Pizza (maybe, he's blatantly against the town at any rate--just trying to survive)
Beskar(nothing particularly against him)
Joooray (nothing particularly against him)
White_eyes claims he didn't attack Beskar. ATPG says the opposite.
This is about the scummiest move I have ever made....but you are right ATPG wanted me dead. When I PM'ed him to help kill Beskar, since I thought Sasaki was going to kill me. He gave me the crappiest excuse EVER....
Why don't we kill Beskar....I have a "gut feeling" on him....:juggle2:
That sounds fine to me.I notice you agree on everyone I say we should kill, yet you are not sending in orders...:inquisitive:
I don't agree on everyone you say we should kill... I think roughly half of the time I disagree. Sasaki, Jolt, Reenk I believe, for examples.
I wouldn't send in orders unless I knew for sure you were doing so. It is getting down to the wire and last time I got no message from you confirming the attack until it was too late for me to rescind the order.I always send in my orders faithfully......so....https://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc335/Vaglavont/1237929944605.jpgand you wouldn't even attack if I was not there anyway:shrug:And I can't attack due to us being bodyguards not assassins, unless ATPG is lynched/dead or he agrees to it....I NEVER ATTACKED BESKAR....but since I only have contact with ATPG, I didn't know who to share it with:shrug:
I am also surprised by Beskar so easily accepting that I could solo-attack and is voting for me and not ATPG:book:
I am giving you this information because, you could be the only townie left....or it's worst enemy....I guess I will see:sweatdrop:
Let me get this straight, you're saying you didn't attack Beskar?No.....scummy as hell, yes...but I didn't trust ATPG since he didn't want to do anything and wanted me to send in orders first:juggle2: So, I didn't do anything last night....:juggle2:
(if it's not clear, the post that starts with "This is about the scummiest move I have ever made" is him talking to me. Everything inside that is him talking to ATPG.)
As far as I am concerned, this disagreement proves that either ATPG or White_eyes is our scum. The question is which...
Actually, I have to concede, White_Eyes:d isn't the sharpest chip off the log.
Unvote; Vote:Askthepizzaguy
He hasn't had any alibi at all, all game, and is a known non-town.
Wait, what?
White_Eyes:D didn't attack me, so the excuse where he is innocent because he attacked me isn't there.. because he didn't?...
:wall:
WE and pizza both had suspicious results on them from yaropolk. But WE's was more suspicious.
It was? My recollection was that ATPG's was worse. ATPG's was that he might be Yaropolk's target. WE's was that he wasn't the target, but had an odd sword. Am I remembering that correctly?
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 01:12
unvote, vote: White_Eyes:D
Why did you say you were going to attack Beskar, and then someone attacks Beskar?
HMMMMM????
Scum. So you're lying about me behind my back.
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 01:12
Wait, what?
White_Eyes:D didn't attack me, so the excuse where he is innocent because he attacked me isn't there.. because he didn't?...
:wall:ATPG wanted me dead....plain and simple, he was going to tell Jolt to protect whoever we attacked and hope I died...so someone else attacked you:shrug:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 01:14
It was? My recollection was that ATPG's was worse. ATPG's was that he might be Yaropolk's target. WE's was that he wasn't the target, but had an odd sword. Am I remembering that correctly?
He felt a present when he picked up WE's sword I think. And pizza was a maybe like several others have been.
I think we'll do well lynching either of them though.
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 01:14
unvote, vote: White_Eyes:D
Why did you say you were going to attack Beskar, and then someone attacks Beskar?
HMMMMM????
Scum. So you're lying about me behind my back.Unvote:Beskar Vote:ATPG The shoe fits too well I see....:juggle:
I only need to survive this one last round. Vote for white eyes.... I can feel your anger....
You know you want to kill W_E
he's ruined things for us all the time
Now is your chance to destroy him and watch epic victoly
You can be recruited, don't be foolish!
With your vote, we win outright!
You wanted to win with the mafia, you wanted to be my partner, this is it, Beskar
Make of that as you will.
It was? My recollection was that ATPG's was worse. ATPG's was that he might be Yaropolk's target. WE's was that he wasn't the target, but had an odd sword. Am I remembering that correctly?
That's correct.
ATPG wanted me dead....plain and simple, he was going to tell Jolt to protect whoever we attacked and hope I died...so someone else attacked you:shrug:
You are aware that you were the only person who displayed an interest in attacking Beskar, right? And that by denying you attacked Beskar, you now have no alibi for this past night.
So: What were you doing this night?
And who attacked Beskar? (Which does have an alibi)
Well, people have said about the dead killing...
Oh wait, I get it, ask me a question I don't have a Sigurd of answering?
Obviously the dead are not killing, and figments of the imagination don't leave dents in plate mail, either. A fake vampire hanging out among corpses, on the other hand, would be right in character. Now answer the question.
Joooray was also supposed to attack TinCow, it seems. Did you have any conversations with him about it?
Askthepizzaguy is the mafia, vote for him. If you don't, he will recruit me and we will win the game.
Looks like I win either way.
The choice is yours.
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 01:22
Nothing....Unless, ATPG helps. I could have been investigating someone I guess....but that was a bit pointless since, I already thought Sasaki was going to kill me:shrug:
I have no idea who attacked Beskar....it could have been ATPG for all I know....but I never got any PM saying he was going too..:juggle2:
Just when I thought I was getting a grasp on things ...
WT:daisy: white_eyes? Looks like you just threw *yourself* under the bus there, because as Sasaki points out, that was your main alibi.
Anyone want to claim the Beskar attack?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 01:26
I thought you guys needed to attack together anyway.
Just when I thought I was getting a grasp on things ...
WT:daisy: white_eyes? Looks like you just threw *yourself* under the bus there, because as Sasaki points out, that was your main alibi.
Anyone want to claim the Beskar attack?
The only one who can claim it is Joooray.
At this rate, if he does, lynch him. He's probably the recruiter.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 01:28
Fine, Beskar's being stubborn.
I only need one more vote to win this game. Anyone who wants to be recruited, contact me.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 01:31
Thing is, if one of pizza-WE got recruited, the other is shilling for his partner, on account of the win condition (they need to survive).
At this rate, if he does, lynch him. He's probably the recruiter.
Actually, Joooray attacking me makes sense.
Joooray said earlier in the thread he had the possibility of solo-killing, but it wasn't 100% successful. Joooray could have attacked me last night.
However, still leaves us with who attacked Yaropolk, Askthepizzaguy and TinCow? I am not sure.
Either way, I am going to swear myself to Yaropolk.
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 01:34
Just when I thought I was getting a grasp on things ...
WT:daisy: white_eyes? Looks like you just threw *yourself* under the bus there, because as Sasaki points out, that was your main alibi.
Anyone want to claim the Beskar attack? I hate it when people claim I did something or am something I am not....easy to read that way:shrug:
Fine, Beskar's being stubborn.
I only need one more vote to win this game. Anyone who wants to be recruited, contact me.
Hm? Did you just revealed as one of the demons?
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 01:38
So it's Sasaki, Joooray and ATPG......I never would have guessed it but ATPG always had ALL my information given to him and I never even investigated him to be sure....He only kept me around till he could lynch me...:shrug:
Hmmm, I wonder if we can have the execution carried out by Yaropolk, with his own sword instead of a rope...
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 01:41
So it's Sasaki, Joooray and ATPG......I never would have guessed it but ATPG always had ALL my information given to him and I never even investigated him to be sure....He only kept me around till he could lynch me...:shrug:
Sure, let's go with that.
unvote, vote: Sasaki
Sasaki.... surely you don't want to actually win as a townie, do you? You wanted to stab them all in the back, now is your chance. You can still win... just join me.
My brief conversation with ATPG
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
So you just revealed as the demon?
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
Why, do you want to be recruited?
We can still win this game.
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
hm.
Interesting.
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
Just need the one more vote.
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
Thank you for the reveal.
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
I revealed publicly, if you turn me down I'll get another offer
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
i was unsure whether actually to vote for you or TinCow.
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
Vote for TinCow.
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
...?
Err.
Why?
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
Do you really want to know?
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
yeah
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
I earned this g-d victory.
Yaropolk should have died last night
we would have won outright
he was undefended
we had two of our strongest attackers.
he should have died.
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
Interesting.
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
I would have won, and almost no one would have suspected me
I earned this.
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
So your companion is Sasaki?
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
No...
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
Err.
Two strongest attackers.
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
dead people.
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
Yeah right.
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
I might have been misleading, but I was WIFOM'ing as well
check the writeups
we are all dead.
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
Sasaki is pretty much worthless so far.
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
I just happen to be the last one still alive.
"alive", not alive.
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
So next night, he takes the hit.
Thanks to your reveal.
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
No probs. I can probably get W_E or Beskar on board.
tootles!
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
No prob. :)
I could have also presumed that WE might be his partner, but it can only be Sasaki. Besides, he's saying he could recruit White_Eyes, that means he isn't his current partner.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 01:46
I love how people actually believe what I'm saying. This is what you would call hysterical. :beam:
a completely inoffensive name
04-08-2010, 01:46
Can someone tell me what is going on here?
Reenk Roink
04-08-2010, 01:46
Atpg got smoked out... :sad:
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 01:46
Can someone tell me what is going on here?
I have determined who the final mafioso is, ACIN....
IT IS YOOOOOO!!!!!
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 01:47
I would guess that Pizza is trying to get himself lynched instead of WE.
I love how people actually believe what I'm saying. This is what you would call hysterical. :beam:
Send me a postal card once you're hanging out with Winston and Reenk.
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 01:50
I would guess that Pizza is trying to get himself lynched instead of WE.And that would help him how?:dizzy:
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 01:52
If I get lynched ATPG gets to do Solo-killings....so, I think you guys better think carefully about this:yes:
I attacked Methos.
Lie. I don't recall ever being attacked. I was killed while attacking ACIN.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 01:52
And that would help him how?:dizzy:
I think he was scanned early as "not demon". So he couldn't be the original. But if you were recruited by the demon, or were the original, then he would have to protect you. And the result on you is much more serious than the one on pizza.
It doesn't really matter. Let's just put all our votes on WE and then vig pizza.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 01:53
unvote, vote: White_Eyes
I would guess that Pizza is trying to get himself lynched instead of WE.
I agree, but I do find this bit believable:
I earned this g-d victory.
Yaropolk should have died last night
we would have won outright
he was undefended
we had two of our strongest attackers.
he should have died.
If I had tried killing Yaropolk twice while he was undefended, I would also be very, very annoyed if he survived both time by sheer luck. Especially if killing him was required as part of my role, which seems likely in this scenario.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 01:55
I agree, but I do find this bit believable:
If I had tried killing Yaropolk twice while he was undefended, I would also be very, very annoyed if he survived both time by sheer luck. Especially if killing him was required as part of my role, which seems likely in this scenario.
Yeah, it could easily just be "the game is up" hijincks like I first suggested to you. Either way, lynch WE, vig pizza.
The should learn how to fight before trying to take on the paladins :bounce:
Either way, lynch WE, vig pizza.
Any reason for not doing it the other way around?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 01:58
Any reason for not doing it the other way around?
Pizza tried to hard to protect WE over the past few rounds.
Pizza was scanned as not the original demon.
WE had a worse sounding detective result from Jolt. than pizza. (yaro's investigation)
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 01:58
If I get lynched ATPG gets to do Solo-killings....so, I think you guys better think carefully about this:yes:
Lynch White_Eyes.
We DON'T KNOW if White_Eyes is demon! We KNOW that ATPG is demon. If he survives, he'll attack AND kill tomorrow!
It's a pretty straightforward decision, Sasaki and your argument to lynch other people only emphasizes your scumminess before the town. Lynch ATPG. Now.
EDIT:
WE had a worse sounding detective result from Jolt.
He didn't, and next night you're next. I'm publically reveal that next night I am protecting Yaropolk.
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 02:03
Pizza tried to hard to protect WE over the past few rounds.
Pizza was scanned as not the original demon.
WE had a worse sounding detective result from Jolt. So he could have a lynchgoat.
Pizza could have recruited one of the scanner's.
I had a bad detective result from several people who were innocent.:shrug:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 02:03
We DON'T KNOW if White_Eyes is demon! We KNOW that ATPG is demon. If he survives, he'll attack AND kill tomorrow!
It's a pretty straightforward decision, Sasaki and your argument to lynch other people only emphasizes your scumminess before the town. Lynch ATPG. Now.
Wait, how do we know ATPG is a demon? I didn't read all of the pm correspondence that carefully.
I think our vig will be successful though. Yaro + me = victory
He didn't, and next night you're next. I'm publically reveal that next night I am protecting Yaropolk.
Sorry, I put your name in instead of pizza's. Yaro's result on WE was more damning than his result on Pizza.
I will again state that last night I investigated White_eyes and my results stated that there was no indication that he believed in any superstition. I find it hard to believe that I would get that kind of result from a demon.
Wait, how do we know ATPG is a demon? I didn't read all of the pm correspondence that carefully.
I think our vig will be successful though. Yaro + me = victory
Here, let me give you a hand:
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
So you just revealed as the demon?
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
Why, do you want to be recruited?
We can still win this game.
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
hm.
Interesting.
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
Just need the one more vote.
Telmo "Jolt / Powell / Bimbo" Rola - If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a few payments. diz:
Thank you for the reveal.
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
I revealed publicly, if you turn me down I'll get another offer
[...]
askthepizzaguy (Endereço de correio electrónico não verificado) diz:
I earned this g-d victory.
Yaropolk should have died last night
we would have won outright
he was undefended
we had two of our strongest attackers.
he should have died.
If you're not the demon you're easily playing into his hands. Either way, I believe you won't survive next night.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 02:08
I will again state that last night I investigated White_eyes and my results stated that there was no indication that he believed in any superstition. I find it hard to believe that I would get that kind of result from a demon.
Are demons superstitious? Hmm.
Here, let me give you a hand:
If you're not the demon you're easily playing into his hands. Either way, I believe you won't survive next night.
Your proof is that he confessed? Remember jolt I was out vigging corpses with yaro.
Reenk Roink
04-08-2010, 02:08
Sasaki obviously wants to join the demons Jolt... :rolleyes:
Sasaki obviously wants to join the demons Jolt... :rolleyes:
Exactly my thought.
Your proof is that he confessed? Remember jolt I was out vigging corpses with yaro.
Err. He said he's willing to recruit anyone. Gee, I wonder for what? The Church?
And he said he attacked Yaropolk. Repeatedly. I wonder who has been attacking Yaropolk in these last nights? Hm...
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 02:12
You guys are no fun at all.
I pour my heart and soul into playing the bad guy, and you can't even figure out who to lynch between me, white_eyes, and Sasaki?
We're all guilty, take your pick.
You guys are no fun at all.
I pour my heart and soul into playing the bad guy, and you can't even figure out who to lynch between me, white_eyes, and Sasaki?
We're all guilty, take your pick.
We have. You're next. Sasaki will take a blade to the stomach in the night. Still, regardless of the result, I doubt you're killing Yaropolk next night.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 02:13
Err. He said he's willing to recruit anyone. Gee, I wonder for what? The Church?
And he said he attacked Yaropolk. Repeatedly. I wonder who has been attacking Yaropolk in these last nights? Hm...
You're paying too much attention to the smokescreen.
Talk to yaropolk, he'll tell you what's up.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 02:15
We have. You're next. Sasaki will take a blade to the stomach in the night. Still, regardless of the result, I doubt you're killing Yaropolk next night.
That's thinking with your dipstick, Jimmy! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj5ms9PJDNY)
unvote, vote: Sasaki
You're paying too much attention to the smokescreen.
Talk to yaropolk, he'll tell you what's up.
Thank you for the reveal as well Sasaki. Or are you implying Yaropolk is part of the group that he is hunting from the beginning? That's genius thinking right there.
Reenk Roink
04-08-2010, 02:20
Anyway now that the pictures' have been taken with the pants down, 10 cents says Gerard and Hans are demons. :beam:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 02:22
Thank you for the reveal as well Sasaki. Or are you implying Yaropolk is part of the group that he is hunting from the beginning? That's genius thinking right there.
... :dizzy2:
Talk to yaropolk (<--paladin) he will tell you what's up (<--what the plan is, and that you're wrong and I'm innocent).
If you can't tell that Pizza is enjoying himself :inquisitive:
... :dizzy2:
Talk to yaropolk (<--paladin) he will tell you what's up (<--what the plan is, and that you're wrong and I'm innocent).
If you can't tell that Pizza is enjoying himself :inquisitive:
I'm glad his last moments are being fun.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 02:29
I'm glad his last moments are being fun.
Well, there's a chance that you're indulging him by lynching him today instead of lynching WE's and vigging him you know. Me proposing we do it the otherway around really isn't cause for alarm. You understand that if WE was recruited, pizza would do everything he could to protect him don't you?
TinCow's result is food for thought, but TinCow is supposed to believe that demons don't exist, so I don't see why he'd get a positive on one of them.
I will say that I think ATPG learned his lesson about throwing in the towel in Inishmore. I find it hard to believe he'd just give up again, and that's kind of how it's coming across here. That's pushing me to agree with Sasaki a bit.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 02:42
vote: White_Eyes:D :mellow:
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 02:48
If ATPG is the "demon", then he is done for or going to win a complete victory anyway...and with my death, he can Solo kill...why did you guys think he wanted me dead so badly?:inquisitive:
Not because he wanted to show that "I am innocent"...but because he couldn't attack anyone, without my "ok":stare:
ATPG just knows there is no way out of the noose now, so he is blowing off some steam....:bounce:
Well, there's a chance that you're indulging him by lynching him today instead of lynching WE's and vigging him you know. Me proposing we do it the otherway around really isn't cause for alarm. You understand that if WE was recruited, pizza would do everything he could to protect him don't you?
TinCow's result is food for thought, but TinCow is supposed to believe that demons don't exist, so I don't see why he'd get a positive on one of them.
If WE was recruited, ATPG would never have told me he was about to attack Beskar (Which I'm not sure he didn't, but I'm assuming WE is just saying he didn't, just to upset ATPG) that being the case, provided I didn't change my original protection from Beskar to TinCow, WE would most likely be dead by now.
Likewise, you are arguing that we spare a revealed Mafioso and lynch one which you have no proof of being a Mafioso. Sorry, not gonna happen.
And even if WE is also mafioso, what of it? I'll protect Yaropolk the next night and at the very best all WE does is kill me before he is lynched the next day. That is if he can actually accomplish anything at all and doesn't get my halberd stuck in his skull.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 02:52
If WE was recruited, ATPG would never have told me he was about to attack Beskar (Which I'm not sure he didn't, but I'm assuming WE is just saying he didn't, just to upset ATPG) that being the case, provided I didn't change my original protection from Beskar to TinCow, WE would most likely be dead by now.
Likewise, you are arguing that we spare a revealed Mafioso and lynch one which you have no proof of being a Mafioso. Sorry, not gonna happen.
Claimed mafioso does not equal revealed mafioso. It's entirely possible that pizza attacked beskar to give WE's an alibi (while WE was out attacking yaropolk). And pizza was very aware that you'd changed your protection.
Eh, I'm not going to argue it too hard. Lynching pizza is ok as long as you protect yaro.
And even if WE is also mafioso, what of it? I'll protect Yaropolk the next night and at the very best all WE does is kill me. That is if he can actually accomplish it.
Like I said, talk to Yaro.
Lynching pizza is ok as long as you protect yaro.
Then lynch ATPG.
On re-read of today's phase, ATPG and WE have some interesting behavior changes. ATPG starts off claiming WE is totally cleared for multiple plausible reasons. Then Yaropolk posts his investigation results, at which point ATPG claims he can't vote for WE no matter what because it will make him lose (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2465398&viewfull=1#post2465398). After some debate, Yaropolk votes for WE, followed by Beskar. At this point, WE posts a totally flippant vote, saying he doesn't care (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2465524&viewfull=1#post2465524) what happens. Yet, about 30 minutes later WE PMs me (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2465552&viewfull=1#post2465552) and tells me he didn't actuall attack Beskar and that ATPG is lying. That's a pretty fast shift from not caring to being upset at ATPG for lying. Then Sasaki votes for WE (I received the WE PM before Sasaki's vote, even though I posted it after his vote). At this point, ATPG generally starts going crazy and starts incriminating himself while making flimsy retaliatory arguments against WE. WE continues to push the ATPG lynch.
My interpretation of the above is a concerted effort by ATPG and WE to avoid a lynch of WE by shifting the votes to ATPG once WE started getting into trouble. It looks very much like ATPG is protecting WE. Thus, the proper course of action is to
Vote: White_eyes
On re-read of today's phase, ATPG and WE have some interesting behavior changes. ATPG starts off claiming WE is totally cleared for multiple plausible reasons. Then Yaropolk posts his investigation results, at which point ATPG claims he can't vote for WE no matter what because it will make him lose (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2465398&viewfull=1#post2465398). After some debate, Yaropolk votes for WE, followed by Beskar. At this point, WE posts a totally flippant vote, saying he doesn't care (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2465524&viewfull=1#post2465524) what happens. Yet, about 30 minutes later WE PMs me (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2465552&viewfull=1#post2465552) and tells me he didn't actuall attack Beskar and that ATPG is lying. That's a pretty fast shift from not caring to being upset at ATPG for lying. Then Sasaki votes for WE (I received the WE PM before Sasaki's vote, even though I posted it after his vote). At this point, ATPG generally starts going crazy and starts incriminating himself while making flimsy retaliatory arguments against WE. WE continues to push the ATPG lynch.
My interpretation of the above is a concerted effort by ATPG and WE to avoid a lynch of WE by shifting the votes to ATPG once WE started getting into trouble. It looks very much like ATPG is protecting WE. Thus, the proper course of action is to
Vote: White_eyes
And what will happen if ATPG dies today and WE remains as the sole demon?
pevergreen
04-08-2010, 03:29
They're demons? :confused: I've skipped a lot of posts.
ATPG/WE should reread the first PM's they got.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 03:32
unvote, vote: White_Eyes:D
making sure it counts.
unvote, vote: White_Eyes:D
making sure it counts.
Why not? To seal the deal.
Unvote, Vote: White_Eyes:D
I'll be waiting for you by Yaropolk, ATPG. I told you I'd make you pay for attacking me in the beginning.
And what will happen if ATPG dies today and WE remains as the sole demon?
Well, there'd be 1 of him and 6 of us. So far, they seem capable of attacking only 1 person at a time. As long as Yaropolk is protected, I think we'll be ok.
My interpretation of the above is a concerted effort by ATPG and WE to avoid a lynch of WE by shifting the votes to ATPG once WE started getting into trouble. It looks very much like ATPG is protecting WE. Thus, the proper course of action is to
I have the feeling that is intentional, it is starting to look like Dethy Mafia that Iskander 3.1 did where I was a joker and ATPG was the mafia. ATPG and I set it up to criminate me, while I attacked Pizza. People would pick up on my intentional flaws (they they deducted were accidential) and I would end up getting voted off, while Pizza and myself win the game.
It makes absolutely no sense for White_Eyes:D to "come out" like that, it only makes sense if it was intentionally done, to cause an argument on White_Eyes:D while Pizzaguy just bluffs his way like he does, thus he escaped the lynch round unharmed. Ergo, you are falling into a trap.
Well, there'd be 1 of him and 6 of us. So far, they seem capable of attacking only 1 person at a time. As long as Yaropolk is protected, I think we'll be ok.
I think there are 3 in total. White_Eyes:D, ATPG and Joooray. If White_Eyes:D is indeed correct in that he didn't attack me, he must have attacked Yaropolk with ATPG. The person who said could solo-kill but a chance of failing is indeed Joooray. ATPG used this prove White_Eyes:D's innocence saying he attacked me.
What is interesting, Joooray hasn't commented at all...
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 06:23
I have the feeling that is intentional, it is starting to look like Dethy Mafia that Iskander 3.1 did where I was a joker and ATPG was the mafia. ATPG and I set it up to criminate me, while I attacked Pizza. People would pick up on my intentional flaws (they they deducted were accidential) and I would end up getting voted off, while Pizza and myself win the game.
It makes absolutely no sense for White_Eyes:D to "come out" like that, it only makes sense if it was intentionally done, to cause an argument on White_Eyes:D while Pizzaguy just bluffs his way like he does, thus he escaped the lynch round unharmed. Ergo, you are falling into a trap.Sad part is....ATPG gets a solo kill...or is that the good part for him?:laugh4:
Sad part is....ATPG gets a solo kill...or is that the good part for him?:laugh4:
I am not voting for you, I am voting for Askthepizzaguy.
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 06:33
Well, you know who he is going to go after....:sweatdrop:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 06:34
Beskar, we aren't really relying on the wifom/bluff part. We have yaro's investigation results.
a completely inoffensive name
04-08-2010, 07:24
Why is it that when everyone else was assassinated you had a majority of people or a large amount of people who decided, yeah I'll help in some other way, I'll do a protection group as well.
But when ACIN becomes the target, it seems like everyone's alibi on the night of my death was "It's not me, I was killing ACIN that night."
Why is it that when everyone else was assassinated you had a majority of people or a large amount of people who decided, yeah I'll help in some other way, I'll do a protection group as well.
But when ACIN becomes the target, it seems like everyone's alibi on the night of my death was "It's not me, I was killing ACIN that night."
It's a sign people thought you were dangerous and way more badass than any of them as individuals.
But when ACIN becomes the target, it seems like everyone's alibi on the night of my death was "It's not me, I was killing ACIN that night."
Don't worry. I don't have an alibi in the night of your death. :wink:
What is interesting, Joooray hasn't commented at all...
Well, I'm living GMT+1, so you guys were discussing while I was fast asleep.
Anyway, I just read through the thread and I'm more confused than ever. :rolleyes3:
I admit, that I was the one attacking Beskar, I thought he was acting scummy and still do, though I see there are more urgent targets right now. I got increasingly frustrated to be left out of the circle of what was going on, so I thought I'll take matters into my own hands. Then Beskar going for an attack on TC tipped it off for him, since for me the only one that can be pretty cleared of anything at this point is TC and so I decided to go for him. Even if it didn't kill him, it clears me of being among the people that attacked Yaro.
Anyway, when it comes to today's lynch and the whole WIFOM between W_E and Atpg, I support the one that see W_E as the better choice for the lynch. So Vote: White_Eyes:D
All though ATPG was cleared by a shallow investigation, he was not recruitable two rounds after (pretty early in the game).
If we combine all the clues we got from the host and I suspect I have mentioned this earlier and hence not new information, I got a clue mentioning dead not being dead by conventional kill - you need to hack up the body and separate the head from the body to be sure. Yaropolk got the clue about demons "recruiting".
I know you are not going to like what I have to say TinCow - but I believe we are dealing with at least one, possible two living souls who can reanimate the dead and have them attack and kill us. The crossbow killer in the last two nights - could be a reanimated spy.
ATPG wanted WE:D to kill Beskar together with an animated dead character. Luckily for us WE:D didn't send in his orders and the undead character was left alone to attack on his own.
If I am talking out of my behind - do nothing. But ATPG was the one arranging these hits. He believed he was sending two killers at Beskar last night, he removed Jolt as the defender, but his plan was foiled by WE:DtheCunning.
I believe there is one remaining who holds the threads of a few puppet killers. Take care of him and the puppets will fall to the ground motionless.Yaropolk will have to instruct you of the lynchability of such a creature.
Edit: OK I just read Joooray's last post. I guess you can throw my last theory out of the window.
I admit, that I was the one attacking Beskar
This simplifies the situation a great deal. Joooray is cleared, and this also confirms that Sasaki was the only person who submitted orders to attack corpses. So, both Joooray and Sasaki have alibis for last night in the write-up. :2thumbsup:
OK I give up. I'm just going to go back to whining about being handed a cannon fodder role with no realistic chance of ever making anything else of it unless the Turks deigned to recruit me. Which they never did.
I hate you all.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-08-2010, 13:53
OK I give up. I'm just going to go back to whining about being handed a cannon fodder role with no realistic chance of ever making anything else of it unless the Turks deigned to recruit me. Which they never did.
I hate you all.
I thought they would at least try :juggle2:
I repeat: I hate you all.
:laugh4:
I know you are not going to like what I have to say TinCow - but I believe we are dealing with at least one, possible two living souls who can reanimate the dead and have them attack and kill us. The crossbow killer in the last two nights - could be a reanimated spy.
I've had difficulty continuing with the beliefs stated in my role PM since reading about the attacker who came out of a grave and got impaled on a sword and didn't particularly mind it. I'm a man of science, which means I believe in evidence, not superstition. However, in this case the evidence now points very strongly to superstition, so I'm kind of stuck. By following the beliefs my role is supposed to have, I reach the conclusion that my role is not supposed to reach. At this point, I think it's likely this is just another version of the same role I had in Settlement. At least this time I remained open-minded enough not to damage the town too badly while pursuing my objectives.
Next time someone puts one of these roles in a game, make sure I don't get it. If random.org gives it to me, re-run the list.
I've had difficulty continuing with the beliefs stated in my role PM since reading about the attacker who came out of a grave and got impaled on a sword and didn't particularly mind it. I'm a man of science, which means I believe in evidence, not superstition. However, in this case the evidence now points very strongly to superstition, so I'm kind of stuck. By following the beliefs my role is supposed to have, I reach the conclusion that my role is not supposed to reach. At this point, I think it's likely this is just another version of the same role I had in Settlement. At least this time I remained open-minded enough not to damage the town too badly while pursuing my objectives.
Next time someone puts one of these roles in a game, make sure I don't get it. If random.org gives it to me, re-run the list.
:laugh4: ...
I feel for you.
My role is a between you and Yaropolk (who is the embodiment of superstition). Remember that I talked about demon, if such exists in the role conditions?
I guess I am supposed to be a realist trying to find the scientific causes to what appears supernatural.
Before Joooray revealed, and I firmly believed it was the duo ATPG-WE:D, the animated dead seemed like the only explanation for the Beskar hit.
Now we are still on the "what appears supernatural can be explained scientifically" path. Do you see any such connections, oh mighty scientist?
Before Joooray revealed, and I firmly believed it was the duo ATPG-WE:D, the animated dead seemed like the only explanation for the Beskar hit.
Now we are still on the "what appears supernatural can be explained scientifically" path. Do you see any such connections, oh mighty scientist?
Yes, it is still very possible that the killers are just ATPG and W_E and there's nothing more to it. Hopefully that will be the case, because it would be nice not to be lied to by my own role PM for the second time in a year. My main problem with that theory at this point is that W_E was not superstitious on investigation. In restrospect, even that could be explained if the N7, N9, and N10 write-ups were influenced by ATPG/W_E specifically to make them appear supernatural in nature so that they could shift blame to corpses instead of themselves. In that scenario, ATPG and W_E are just normal run-of-the-mill independent scum and they're just taking us for a ride with the write-ups. I'm not sure it particularly matters at this point, because I think everyone is agreed that they are both threats and have to die. Supernatural or not, they won't be on the Alive list much longer.
I thought they would at least try :juggle2:
Was Renata a traveller? :3
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 16:01
Well, I'm living GMT+1, so you guys were discussing while I was fast asleep.
Anyway, I just read through the thread and I'm more confused than ever. :rolleyes3:
I admit, that I was the one attacking Beskar, I thought he was acting scummy and still do, though I see there are more urgent targets right now. I got increasingly frustrated to be left out of the circle of what was going on, so I thought I'll take matters into my own hands. Then Beskar going for an attack on TC tipped it off for him, since for me the only one that can be pretty cleared of anything at this point is TC and so I decided to go for him. Even if it didn't kill him, it clears me of being among the people that attacked Yaro.
Anyway, when it comes to today's lynch and the whole WIFOM between W_E and Atpg, I support the one that see W_E as the better choice for the lynch. So Vote: White_Eyes:D
Your vote isn't bolded.
I admit, that I was the one attacking Beskar, I thought he was acting scummy and still do
That is what you get for not thinking with your dipstick jimmeh. I am the only cleared innocent townie here, and you attacked me. Yaropolk is a cleared 3rd party, with Jolt and Sasaki as his recruits. Pizza and White_Eyes:D were never townies to begin with, TinCow has the weirdest role in existence and you are not even a town yourself.
Your vote isn't bolded.
Thanks for pointing it out. Though I don't understand why you would point that out. Anyway, Vote: White_Eyes:D
That is what you get for not thinking with your dipstick jimmeh. I am the only cleared innocent townie here, and you attacked me. Yaropolk is a cleared 3rd party, with Jolt and Sasaki as his recruits. Pizza and White_Eyes:D were never townies to begin with, TinCow has the weirdest role in existence and you are not even a town yourself.
Well with the constant infighting between Sasaki and Jolt and everybody else, how can anybody be sure of anything. And I don't see how you have been cleared of anything, except through your role claim.
I'm not saying it was a thought out plan, I had hope it would help the game progress, as it seemed we were in a bit of a deadlock. This day phase might be a change in events though, so let's hope things will clear up soon.
Thanks for pointing it out. Though I don't understand why you would point that out.
How do you guys know that you're not playing into mafia hands here? I don't think White_Eyes:D is the beastie you're looking for.
How do you guys know that you're not playing into mafia hands here? I don't think White_Eyes:D is the beastie you're looking for.
Anyone who expects certainty in a mafia game is sure to be disappointed. The best we can do is make an educated guess based on the evidence presented. The more evidence available, the more likely the guess is to be correct. Lately, pretty much everything has been laid out publicly which greatly increased our odds of being correct. Even in a complex game like this, the basis of the game is the informed minority versus the uninformed majority. The more information the majority has, the less of an advantage the minority has.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2010, 17:30
Thanks for pointing it out. Though I don't understand why you would point that out. Anyway, Vote: White_Eyes:D
I am not going to spell it out for you. If you take away my victory, I'm not going to hand you yours.
White_eyes:D
04-08-2010, 23:09
Actually, I have to concede, White_Eyes:d isn't the sharpest chip off the log.I need to admit....that stings....~:mecry:(Do I need to bring up Mongolian Mafia?:stare:)
There is an amusing fact about all this. AskthePizzaGuy comes out with this now, when there is a chance of him being killed. I defended PizzaGuy suspecting him of being a townie, then just to save his own skin, he is suggesting for me to die. He set everything up in advance for him to pull out this manoeuvre in order for him to stay alive. It's obvious he must have set this whole thing up to do now, and for him to get away with it.
Maybe I was incorrect and you was right, White_Eyes:D, I just didn't believe it as I thought he was innocent. I'll unvote you, I thought you just framed PizzaGuy up with your comments, I apologize for my ignorance.
Unvote: White_Eyes:D
I'll like to note, the reason Ichigo was investigated twice was because PizzaGuy and Sigurd both knew about the first one when no kills occurred. PizzaGuy was very adamant not for him to be investigated again, when he was, he was found guilty. Just a note. I think you don't know enough now....like I did back then:laugh4:
atheotes
04-09-2010, 00:38
i have read the whole thing and
:dizzy2:
:help:
:wall:
:dizzy:
:huh:
:shocked:
:blank:
Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2010, 02:15
unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy :laugh4:
Apparently, the game ends when Pizza dies. There is no point in lynching White_Eyes:d and even if White_Eyes:D was a demon, it would infact strengthen the demons because he wasn't killed by a Paladin.
There is also a reason 'some people' aren't voting for Pizza, and that is because the game ends when Pizza dies and they haven't done their mission objectives.
Apparently, the game ends when Pizza dies.
I'm guessing ATPG told you this?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-09-2010, 02:48
I hear it's part of Pizza's win condition that the only way he can lose is if Sasaki, Jolt, and Yaro are all lynched today. Come on guys, let's show him!
Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2010, 03:32
http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gif
pevergreen
04-09-2010, 03:41
Maaaaan.
ATPG and WE claim to be my defenders, but i died pretty fast. And now people think they are demons? :laugh4: I must have been screwed from the start!
Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2010, 03:44
You were screwed when Reenk/Subotan were your assassins. Only Reenk would think to take you out so early or even scan you. :laugh4:
White_eyes:D
04-09-2010, 03:50
You were screwed when Reenk/Subotan were your assassins. Only Reenk would think to take you out so early or even scan you. :laugh4:No kidding...:bounce:
Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2010, 04:00
Farewell, sweet White_Eyes.
unvote, vote: White_Eyes
White_eyes:D
04-09-2010, 04:11
Farewell, sweet White_Eyes.
unvote, vote: White_EyesAs if your vote matters...:laugh4:
Crazed Rabbit
04-09-2010, 06:17
The Shadow Fort, End of Day Eleven
It was a long day of voting. The daylight hours seemed to stretch for over 24 hours.
One man kept switching votes between nearly every person still alive. Naturally, the other survivors decided to vote for his partner.
"White Eyes, come forward. You've been selected for the award tonight, " said Gerard enthusiastically.
"Me? Why? It's not me you want! I haven't killed anyone! Well, last night at least...but I just killed for the good of Austria!" White Eyes yelled frantically.
"Indeed! And now you shall be rewarded by being killed for Austria!"
Some men grabbed White Eyes and hauled him to the gallows, and quickly put the noose around his neck.
"This doesn't make any sense!" yelled White Eyes as the trapdoor opened and he fell.
"Ha! He says that as though it matters!" laughed Gerard, "Now, the rest of you, sleep tight tonight!"
The sun fell below the mountains.
It is now the night phase! This phase will last 34 hours, until 8 am PST Saturday April 10!
Alive:
Beskar
Jolt
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
Yaropolk
Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6
Beefy187 D7
Captain Blackadder D8
Yaseikhaan D9
Sigurd D10
White_eyes:D D11
Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6
Scienter N7
Reenk Roink N7
Renata N7
Methos N8
Csargo N8
ACIN N8
spL1tp3r50naL1ty N8
atheotes N9
Forced to Wander the Snow:
Double A
pevergreen
04-09-2010, 06:24
You were screwed when Reenk/Subotan were your assassins. Only Reenk would think to take you out so early or even scan you. :laugh4:
Reenk always knows what my role is, and I his. Its just the bond we have, that spans oceans.
Because you were seeming angry with me I held off on investigating you as a potential recruit.
No we didn't kill you and I don't know who did.
Was I actually angry at him? :surprised: :wink:
White_eyes:D
04-09-2010, 06:24
"This doesn't make any sense!" yelled White Eyes as the trapdoor opened and he fell.
"Ha! He says that as though it matters!" laughed Gerard, "Now, the rest of you, sleep tight tonight!":laugh4::2thumbsup::clown:
I don't like the fact that CR didn't state that WE died, just that he fell.... :sweatdrop:
White_eyes:D
04-09-2010, 07:22
Red herring:shrug: Yaropolk and Co. and still gonna chop up my corpse to be sure though....can't say that's going to be peasant....:sweatdrop:
Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2010, 08:41
Bah. What can you do to a corpse that hasn't already been done?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-09-2010, 15:27
Yaropolk is badass.
So pizza and WE are the morning star pair? That seems most likely.
White_Eyes was out attacking Beskar, so no.
I admit, that I was the one attacking Beskar
Lol, I just saw this, hilarious :laugh4:
Although it does make it more likely that WE was being setup for the lynch the whole time :juggle2:
I get the impression though that when Yaro survived the attack they lost their chance at victory.
Although it does make it more likely that WE was being setup for the lynch the whole time :juggle2:
Yes, because Pizza is a different mafia role, the one that would end the game when he is dead. He isn't being killed on purpose and intentionally being left alive by certain people who want to do extra-special mission objectives, hence why no one is actually vigging him tonight.
I am just voicing my objection here.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-09-2010, 15:49
I wouldn't know anything about that :beam:
Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2010, 19:50
It would be really awesome if we could do the kill dressed in robes, while chanting "Sasaki Kojiro". Sasaki's Secret Assassination Squad for the win!
Yaropolk
04-09-2010, 20:37
Sassaki's Secret Slayer Squad?
Suspicious Sasaki's Silly Sorta-Secret Slayer Squad
FYI, I'm in the middle of a major kitchen remodeling job and have to get the whole room painted this weekend. In addition, in the process of pulling up the floor today we discovered that we've got an old leak that has rotted some of the floorboards, which will now have to be replaced. The point being that I expect to be very busy this weekend and may respond less frequently both in the thread and to PMs. Apologies for any delays.
Wasn't the round supposed to have ended some hours ago?
Askthepizzaguy
04-10-2010, 22:38
Probably just waiting for Crazed Rabbit to get home and log in.
What say we give him a hand while we are waiting and straighten up the place. Jolt, you do the sweeping and vacuuming, and I'll do the kitchen and the bathrooms. Hustle hustle!
Kagemusha
04-10-2010, 22:42
Probably just waiting for Crazed Rabbit to get home and log in.
What say we give him a hand while we are waiting and straighten up the place. Jolt, you do the sweeping and vacuuming, and I'll do the kitchen and the bathrooms. Hustle hustle!
While you guys are at it.Could you please give me a beer form fridge and pass me the remote control?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-10-2010, 22:44
I'll make the Kool-aid :evil:
Askthepizzaguy
04-10-2010, 23:50
I never really thought of Kool-aid as being evil, but Sasaki has put an interesting spin on it. I approve.
Crazed Rabbit
04-10-2010, 23:57
Well I want to assure you all I definitely did not confuse pm and am in regards to the time.
Write up is a comin'.
CR
a completely inoffensive name
04-11-2010, 04:15
This must be one long write up.
Crazed Rabbit
04-11-2010, 05:47
The Shadow Fort, day twelve.
Wind had shorn the sky of clouds, leaving the stars and moon to light the fort. As midnight approached, the wind died, leaving no sound to mask the crunch of footsteps in the snow.
“Are we all here?” asked one man.
Another look at the huddled group of cloaked men and replied, “We have enough. Let us begin.”
The group had gathered outside the keep, and now headed to a section of wall next to the main gate, where the corpses were piled. The cloaked figures had already drawn their swords when the stacked bodies came into view.
“Are you here?” yelled the leader, “Rise and face me, because I have come for you!”
An armored figure stood in front of them. He was tall, and clad in red plate and mail. Whether it was from dye or blood the attackers could not tell.
“No! I have come for you, Yaropolk!” the armored man proclaimed.
He spread his arms and the men with Yaropolk hesitated. Even the stoutest of them had not expected this.
“Silence, you thing! Prepare for your doom!” Yaropolk yelled, raising his sword.
The armored figure smiled. In a flash, his hands swung down and grabbed a crossbow strapped to his side. Before any of Yaropolks companions could react, the armored man aimed and shot.
The bolt flew straight at the chest of Yaropolk, who knew he would be unable to jump out of the way. But the bolt hit another metal surface; the axe head of a halberd had appeared in front of Yaropolk. Another person had emerged from the darkness, wielding a halberd.
And another armored figured took aim with a crossbow and fired. Again this bolt was blocked, this time embedding itself in the back of the man with the halberd. He grunted in pain, but kept a firm grip on his weapon and turned to face the second man attacking Yaropolk.
He was armored in plate, uncloaked, and like his fellow had blood stained armor. He dropped the crossbow and drew a morning star.
“Ignore my target! Deal with the extra!” said Yaropolk to his halberd carrying protector. The man nodded and advanced towards the second crossbowman. The other men with Yaropolk went with him as he stepped towards his nemesis.
Yaropolk’s enemy dropped the crossbow and drew a long sword, chipped from battles ages ago. He smiled and swung at the man to the right of Yaropolk, who jumped back. Yaropolk swept his sword up, deflecting the attack into the air and striking.
His nemesis had already moved, and swung at another of Yaropolk’s comrades, who moved quickly to block and strike in retaliation. Yaropolk was already swinging again as well. The target did not move quickly enough; Yaropolk’s blow struck home, hitting the arm and sundering mail.
He had blocked the blow of another attacker, but now the target yelled and concentrated on Yaropolk, swinging furiously. Yaropolk was barely able to keep from being overwhelmed. His injured limbs strained to swing his sword; so fast it became a blur. The other attackers did not let up, though, and one man landed a solid blow on the nemesis’ shoulder, splitting one of the straps that held up the breastplate.
Nearly roaring with rage, the nemesis relented from attacking Yaropolk and turned to strike one of his comrades. Yaropolk paused, took a breath, and began his own attack. By now his enemy had swung twice at the one who had injured him, one blow glancing off the armor.
All of the sword craft Yaropolk had learned in his life lead to this moment. For many years he had used a sword in defense of his lord, and this was his magnum opus.
The first blow cleaved through mail and flesh to the bone. Yaropolk’s nemesis screamed in pain and stopped going for the killing blow the other attacker, instead blocking his sword and swiftly kicking him in the stomach before turning to duel Yaropolk. The kicked attacker flew back and fell over a stack of bodies.
Yaropolk swung again, and even the speed of his target did not allow him to block the blow, which hit the side of the torso and dented the plate armor. Yaropolk struck even before his target got his sword in place to block the last blow. He was not going to be fooled again, and the sword seemed to appear in place to block Yaropolk’s next strike.
It was a feint, and Yaropolk’s sword changed direction to hit the leg. His nemesis stumbled briefly and struck out at Yaropolk, who pivoted his sword to catch the blade and strike again in the same motion. His attacker continued to backpedal, and tried to strike again. But Yaropolk had already struck a great blow across the chest, cutting through the plate.
Yaropolk’s nemesis gasped in pain, and the fingers around his sword loosened. Yaropolk moved smoothly and drew back his sword for the final blow, to separate the head from the body.
A stone’s throw distant, two warriors fought and struggled over piles of the dead and snow-covered stones. The defender with the halberd rushed at the morning star holding attacker and swung a great sweeping blow. The attacker stood his ground, leaned back and deflected the axe head as it sped towards his neck. The defender was almost startled; only few men could do such a thing. But he kept swinging; all those men had still died.
Again the axe head split the air, and again it was deflected. The next time, the defender struck out with the staff end of the halberd while bringing the axe head around for another blow, forcing the attacker back. This time he did not deflect the halberd, instead dodging back and then jumping towards the defender with great speed to swing his morning star. Though surprised, the defender managed to block the spiked weapon at the last second.
The attacker swung again, and this time the defender could not block it completely, leaving the metal spikes to tear across his side. He grimaced in pain then pushed the attacker back and brought the halberd down with lightning speed. The attacker barely dove out of the way, leaving the axe to crack down on a cobblestone and rend it in two, sending sparks and dust flying. The attacker grinned and made to strike back quickly while the halberd was embedded in the ground.
He was disappointed; the halberd was already back in the air and swinging at him. He had to jump back and guard himself with his morning star to stop the blow from cleaving him in two. The defender swept the halberd around again, but the attacker had backed up considerably.
Stepping forward, the defender readied for another swing. The attacker lunged forward as well, morning star raised. The halberd swung, screaming through the air. The attacker did not move to block or avoid it; instead he leapt up, parallel to the shaft, and spun over it. The defender could barely make out the blur of movement, and the attacker’s morning star had crashed into his shoulder before he had time to comprehend the movement.
He yelled in pain, but kept firm hold of the halberd. It was no use, for the attacker was already swinging at his opposite arm. The blow tore the flesh open and blow flew onto the ground. The defender yelled again, and again the morning star hit him. This blow struck his head, sending him falling to his knees and covering his face with blood.
His attacker stood over him, smiling broadly in triumph, and raised the bloody morning star for one final blow. It struck the defender’s lower face and crushed his jaw. Blood flowed unceasingly. With one last blood muffled groan, the defender perished and toppled to the ground. Only then did Jolt drop the halberd.
Jolt’s killer stood over him, then looked to Yaropolk’s other attacker. The smile faded; Yaropolk was forcing him back, and would soon strike the killing blow.
Yaropolk began the final swing. His nemesis was battered and about to be destroyed. This was going to be that thing’s last moment of existence.
A morning star flew through the air and hit his arm, causing Yaropolk to wince in pain and the blow to miss and bounce off the shoulder plate of his nemesis. The second attacker was running swiftly behind the morning star he had thrown, and tackled on of Yaropolk’s companions into the snow.
Agony flooded into Yaropolk. All the injuries of the last few nights came back to him. Pain flared in his fingers, his shoulder ached, and his legs felt as though made of lead.
His nemesis cried in exultation and swung. The blow was tremendous; it broke his sword and shattered Yaropolk’s armor, sending him flying back into a pile of bodies. He dropped his broken sword and strode towards the body of Yaropolk. Another of Yaropolk’s companions attacked, but the nemesis was out of the way, leaving the sword to swing through space, then was right in front of the swinger, and sent him sliding back through the snow with a shove.
Yaropolk moved; his whole body seemed to be in pain, but his mind focused. He had dropped his long sword, so he began to draw his short sword. The ground seemed to fall away, and he realized his enemy was picking him up by the cuff of his garment. He looked into the face and saw a thin smile, and eyes that threatened to engulf him in madness. Yaropolk plunged his sword into the man’s gut, then withdrew it and made to strike again. The smile vanished and the man snarled at him, baring his teeth.
With an armored hand, his attacker plunged his hand into Yaropolk’s chest and cracked his sternum. Yaropolk cried out in pain as his flesh was torn and ribs cracked, and blood flowed from his chest. The other armored hand loosened its grip and Yaropolk fell onto his back, limbs askew, gasping.
His attacker stepped back, trying not to show the pain of his wounds, and gloated.
“You are undone,” he spoke condescendingly, and then began to glare around for one of Yaropolk’s helpers.
Yaropolk stirred. His fingers tightened around his sword. With great effort he began to get up.
“Prepare…”
He was on his knees now, and still moving upwards. His nemesis seemed to be frozen, not wanting to approach him.
“…to…”
Blood flowed from his mouth as Yaropolk spoke, finally getting to his feet. The attacker had taken a step back, and no longer gloated.
“…die…”
Yaropolk stared at his enemy’s eyes, then took a step forward, still hunched in pain. And another, and another. Finally his attacker began to take out a knife. Yaropolk lunged the last distance and swung, striking the armor and splitting the last strap holding the breastplate up. With a grunt of exertion Yaropolk pushed the attacker against the high stonewall. The attacker had regained his presence of mind and swung his fist to take off Yaropolk’s head. But his injuries weakened him and Yaropolk saw the blow coming, and interrupted it with a strike to his enemy’s face with the pommel of his sword.
Next he stuck the sword into the right lung and held his nemesis’ body against the wall with his left hand. With his right hand he grabbed a small sharpened object from his pocket and raised it far back. With a great yell he plunged it straight into the attacker’s chest, causing an unearthly wail.
Yaropolk jerked the sword out and stepped back, then let the attacker, still wailing, fall. As he did, Yaropolk gave one last grunt and heaved his sword through the neck, slicing the head from the body. The wail stopped and the body hit the snow with a thud.
Yaropolk stood for only a moment longer, then dropped his sword and collapsed, dead.
The second attacker had been close to overwhelming one of Yaropolk’s companions when he heard the wail and stopped. All the companions, seeing their target’s body separated from its head, decided to vacate the area quickly.
Soon, the second attacker was alone in a field of the dead. Slowly, he walked over to Yaropolk’s body. Seeing the first attacker dead, he let out an unearthly cry of rage that echoed through the fort.
Some time later, he bent down to Yaropolk’s bloody corpse. Drawing a dagger, he methodically cut into his chest and pulled out ribs until he reached the heart. This, too, he cut out.
Askthepizzaguy was walking through the snow when a figure approached ahead of him, sword drawn. ATPG drew his own sword and made ready to defend himself. But his attacker stopped and glanced around. No one else was near, so the attacker decided to run. ATPG gave chase, but lost him in the huddle of buildings.
Near the tavern, Beskar was almost to his room. He had decided to make his way through whatever back ways he could, to avoid attackers. He was now in a cramped alleyway. Just as he saw someone appear before him, he slipped. As he fell an arrow flew so close overhead it ruffled his hair. Beskar bumped the wall as he fell, causing a small snow slide from the roof between him and his attacker. Beskar quickly jumped up and ran back the way he came. His attacker swiftly drew a sword and advanced cautiously through the falling snow, but Beskar was far-gone when he got out through the other side.
“Glorious news, good people,” boomed Gerard a little after dawn broke. The five other people in the room with him did not share his good spirits.
“Khaan was a Turk! Which means we’ve killed four – five? – a number of them. And I know how important defeating the Turks’ plan is to all of you.”
“What, indeed, could be more important than knowing the Turks are being thrashed after what has happened recently?” smirked Hans.
“Indeed!” grinned Gerard, “Alas, Atheotes was not a Turk, but only an innocent traveler. Well, maybe not truly innocent, as he seemed to have killed a couple people. But the only out of the ordinary thing in his possession was a donkey in the stables.
“And that leaves us with the final five! What a mad month we had did we not? Anyway, it’s time to vote, so vote for the Turks, or the killers, or whoever peeved you off this morning! That is the glory of democracy! No wonder Greece fared so well.”
This is the day phase, which will last for 26 hours, or until Midnight PST Sunday April 11 night.
Alive:
Beskar
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6
Beefy187 D7
Captain Blackadder D8
Yaseikhaan D9
Sigurd D10
White_eyes:D D11
Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6
Scienter N7
Reenk Roink N7
Renata N7
Methos N8
Csargo N8
ACIN N8
spL1tp3r50naL1ty N8
atheotes N9
Yaropolk N11
Jolt N11
Forced to Wander the Snow:
Double A
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 06:06
Vote:Pizza
Epic battle CR...very well done.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 06:07
Vote: Sasaki
For drinking too much Kool-aid.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 06:26
The Kool-aid was for you Pizza. Purple, your favorite.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 06:32
With potassium cyanide flavor? My favorite!
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 06:38
I have the glass right here, hand over Yaro's heart and you can have it.
White_eyes:D
04-11-2010, 06:43
Wasn't Jolt helping you kill him?:laugh4: Yaropolk really messed up....:evil:
I was the one who was attacking Pizza, but it also looks like Joooray attacked me again.
Seriously Joooray, why do you keep attacking me? are you scum? You was meant to be assisting me in attacking the known Mafia, you know, Pizza.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 07:05
Why did you attack pizza instead of who we were attacking?
Why did you attack pizza instead of who we were attacking?
Because he admitted to being a mafia and I thought the corpse story was a deliberate attempt not to stop the mafia, why else?
Anyway, it appears Pizza was pulling a Spartan. However, for serious suspects, I put forward TinCow as possible demon.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 07:20
What the heck?
Who do we have accounted for in night actions?
I am accounted for (sole attacker against ATPG), the scumtard who keeps attacking me (Joooray)
Yaropolk and Jolt had companions (pural), and the Demon had a partner.
I am guessing the companions were yourself and Pizza.
This leaves TinCow as the Demons partner.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 07:30
Why the heck do you think Pizza was the companion and TinCow the demon partner? It's the other way around.
TinCow was active the night Screwtype and wormwood were killing remember.
Why the heck do you think Pizza was the companion and TinCow the demon partner? It's the other way around.
Because I saw yours and Pizza's night actions, I never saw TinCow's.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 07:34
I participated in the kill on Kagemusha. Even before my antics yesterday I was up for killing him.
unvote, vote: TinCow
This is as far as I will go. I honestly should just vote No Lynch or abstain at this point, because I lost and this isn't my fight.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 08:01
Because I saw yours and Pizza's night actions, I never saw TinCow's.
Pizza's night actions were incorrectly formatted although CR might not have noticed.
But it is true that there were "men" with yaropolk other than Jolt and I was never CC'd TinCow's orders. But why would he not CC the orders if he were mafia? You can always change them privately.
You know what I wonder though, maybe there is one turk left, and that's why the game is still going. Because it seems like if the Demon is dead...but maybe we have to kill the child too. I don't know.
But remember Beskar, the only living person not accounted for in the writeup on the Screwtape+wormwood night is Pizza.
Well, you can blame Joooray. He decided to attack me opposed to Pizza. If he joined in against Pizza, then we would have known who to lynch.
I hope your reply is good Joooray, and I mean really good, because if you are town-aligned, you have been making major mistakes.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 08:09
That's an awful lot of Turks if the Spymaster died so early. Secura, AVSM, Psychonaut, Khaan, and Blackadder so far. It's possible though.
I can account for my night actions every night of the game; investigations with provable results (noticing unusual weapons and whether people were active or not, same role as W_E), vigilante kills with W_E, and even one with the SSAS squad early on in the game.
Beskar claims to have attacked me solo last night. joooray or TinCow might have, but one of them was attacking Beskar. I was not attacking any of those. The only possibilities at this point are TinCow or Beskar for attacking me solo, which leaves the other unaccounted for.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 08:22
It's also possible that the demon helper was lynched, and the game is still going because one of the turks is alive. That would be Beskar if that's the case I think.
But basically, we lynch pizza.
Beskar if that's the case I think.
No it wouldn't be, it would be Joooray. He can solo-attack, I can't.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 08:36
No it wouldn't be, it would be Joooray. He can solo-attack, I can't.
True, if you were a turk you would have fought pizza. That clears you on that count. But Joooray is a ranger. I doubt that they were made recruitable when none of the other pro town roles were.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 08:51
I should probably vote for myself. I kinda want to see you guys die some more, to be honest.
Pizza's night actions were incorrectly formatted although CR might not have noticed.
I think CR would have noticed, and I point to AVSM as the case in point. Our host's pretty diligent on that front. :3
That's an awful lot of Turks if the Spymaster died so early. Secura, AVSM, Psychonaut, Khaan, and Blackadder so far.
Remember, the Spymaster was Psychonaut, not me; I don't think it warrants explaining why I claimed to be more of a role than I was.
Ibn-Khaldun
04-11-2010, 09:27
This game is getting too confusing for my old brain! ~:dizzy:
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 09:27
How old are you, Ibn?
White_eyes:D
04-11-2010, 09:39
Lynch:ATPG or help the demons win:laugh4:
Aw. A pity that I died. Still, apparently I get a Grand Victory nonetheless. :bow:
I was protecting Yaropolk, that much is known. Lynch ATPG and the game is done.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 10:04
Let's see, if I can get TinCow voting for me, plus my vote, that makes 3 votes and the majority.
As a matter of fact, I can vote abstain and prevent majority whatsoever. An automatic loss for the innocents remaining. How does that sound? Does that sound like fun, Jolt? Because it sounds uproariously fun to me.
edit: if abstain is not allowed I can still vote myself. Same diff.
Let's see, if I can get TinCow voting for me, plus my vote, that makes 3 votes and the majority.
As a matter of fact, I can vote abstain and prevent majority whatsoever. An automatic loss for the innocents remaining. How does that sound? Does that sound like fun, Jolt? Because it sounds uproariously fun to me.
edit: if abstain is not allowed I can still vote myself. Same diff.
If TinCow, Sasaki and Joooray vote for you, I fail to see how you or Beskar can prevent you from being lynched.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 11:22
If TinCow, Sasaki and Joooray vote for you, I fail to see how you or Beskar can prevent you from being lynched.
I won't have to convince any of those people to vote for me. That's the entire point.
You simply don't understand what the balance of power presently is. Basically, it's bad times for the innocents without my help and like I said, I can vote for myself and stop all that.
That's an awful lot of Turks if the Spymaster died so early. Secura, AVSM, Psychonaut, Khaan, and Blackadder so far. It's possible though.
I can account for my night actions every night of the game; investigations with provable results (noticing unusual weapons and whether people were active or not, same role as W_E), vigilante kills with W_E, and even one with the SSAS squad early on in the game.
Beskar claims to have attacked me solo last night. joooray or TinCow might have, but one of them was attacking Beskar. I was not attacking any of those. The only possibilities at this point are TinCow or Beskar for attacking me solo, which leaves the other unaccounted for.
Actually you were the one attacking Beskar, not TinCow or joooray.
Simply put, Kagemusha which was the original target, was killed. The other guy made an impossible huge leap over me, which means he's also a demon and not you. Since you obviously weren't going to attack your own demons, the only thing left is for you was to attack Beskar.
EDIT: Also given the fact that Kagemusha a few rounds ago tried to convince me roughly at the same time as yourself that I should protect Beskar (In the night I protected TinCow), makes me belive that if Beskar doesn't vote for your lynch, he's pretty obviously another scum.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 11:28
Actually you were the one attacking Beskar, not TinCow or joooray.
Simply put, Kagemusha which was the original target, was killed. The other guy made an impossible huge leap over me, which means he's also a demon and not you. Since you obviously weren't going to attack your own demons, the only thing left is for you was to attack Beskar.
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What can I say other than I am stunned by your impeccable logic.
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What can I say other than I am stunned by your impeccable logic.
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Yaropolk: Attack Kagemusha
TinCow: Attack Kagemusha
Joooray: Attack Kagemusha
Sasaki: Attack Kagemusha
Beskar: Attack ATPG (Why? He can't attack alone. That's why there wasn't even an attack. Absolutely no reason except to break the attack group.)
ATPG: Attack Beskar (You can't attack alone. That's why there wasn't even an attack. Attempting to create an illusion that you both are enemies when it was obvious you couldn't kill each other)
Jolt: Protect Yaropolk
Yeah, it's pretty obvious by now. See if it was Joooray or Sasaki or TinCow, the attack would actually have happened, and Beskar would have had to fend off the attacker. But all it happened was two "attempts" in which you two never even came in fighting distance of each other. And now this whole affair of saying you were "pulling a Spartan". Unless he clearly votes for you, then he just revealed himself as well.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 11:36
Wow. How many things are wrong with that theory? Let's start with the obvious.
If Beskar and I attacked each other, then who was fighting Yaropolk with Kagemusha? Strike one.
If Beskar or I were a demon, we would have to be able to fight solo, which meant a battle would have occurred. Strike two.
I sent in orders to battle Kagemusha, and TinCow did not. Strike three.
Would you like to revise?
If Beskar and I attacked each other, then who was fighting Yaropolk with Kagemusha? Strike one.
See last post.
If Beskar or I were a demon, we would have to be able to fight solo, which meant a battle would have occurred. Strike two.
Exactly. And you didn't. Thank you for agreeing with me.
I sent in orders to battle Kagemusha, and TinCow did not. Strike three.
Wait. Let me see if I get this straight. Last turn you just admitted to being scum, and the last scummy group is the demons. And you are REALLY trying to convince me that you ACTUALLY attacked your own demon? You must think I'm stupid.
EDIT: Further, it makes perfect sense that Beskar said to me when you tried to convert him on MSN, I went on MSN that very minute and found him offline while you were offline. That means he blocked me. That further proves that Beskar is scum. When I PMed him back asking why he had me blocked in MSN (For no reason, mind you) while sending me PMs here, he never replied. Funny, isn't it?
There is the other obvious flaw, if you attacked me Pizza, that means you weren't the demon partner, which leaves Joooray or TinCow and you are innocent of being that demon.
You are really not thinking with your dipstick, Jimmeh.
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