The Shadow Fort [Concluded]

[Renata]

Can someone put up a vote count?

[Askthepizzaguy]

@AskThePizzaGuy

You saw my post in the defty II game and you saw that I was definitely gone during the time I said I was (I was a townie in that game). You also can check my profiles on both sites and see my hobby is caving. You also could have seen that I made the exact same posts in a game that is about to start over at CFC and you could have easily asked the people you know I talk to outside of these games to find out that I've informed them I was going. If you seriously thought I might be lying, you could have very easily researched it to figure out the truth. Heck, had you asked them they may have remembered that I went to Riverbluff last year about this time too, for the entire weekend.

Simply put, I think your reasoning is scummy, so Vote: AskThePizzaGuy.

Sigurd already pulled that trick on me in a different game. I don't believe you. :whip:

Chicago Soiree has ruined all RL excuses for everyone, ever.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sigurd already pulled that trick on me in a different game. I don't believe you. :whip:

Chicago Soiree has ruined all RL excuses for everyone, ever.

Then vote Sigurd.

I think your reasoning for going after Methos is off point. Methos is not sigurd. The appropriate reaction to having your belief in excuses shattered is not to assume all excuses are false, but simply not to assume they are true.

[TinCow]

Yeah, ok.

Vote: Sigurd

When I have to actively think of reasons for why I shouldn't vote for someone, I need to just stop thinking and vote. Consider this payback for Netherworld II. :bow:

[White_eyes:D]

Then vote Sigurd.

I think your reasoning for going after Methos is off point. Methos is not sigurd. The appropriate reaction to having your belief in excuses shattered is not to assume all excuses are false, but simply not to assume they are true.He beat me and Pizza in Swords and D's3 but just lurking and getting his henchmen Beskar and Secura to take the hits....(I wonder why Pizzaguy is not beliveing Methos then and he was able to post here?:rolleyes:)

I am going to Vote:Secura because she connects too well with others...(If she is leading a Mafia-recuitment with Beskar...then town is in trouble:yes:)

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Vote: Reenk Roink

[Secura]

He beat me and Pizza in Swords and D's3 but just lurking and getting his henchmen Beskar and Secura to take the hits.

To be honest, it was more like myself and Methos were the henchmen of Beskar. He was the architect of the mafia's downfall, really, not Methos. :P

[johnhughthom]

Can someone put up a vote count?

In progress...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Then vote Sigurd.

I think your reasoning for going after Methos is off point. Methos is not sigurd. The appropriate reaction to having your belief in excuses shattered is not to assume all excuses are false, but simply not to assume they are true.

My reason for going after Methos is as follows:

I picked him randomly, he's no more or less likely to be mafia just because RL things came up (obviously....) and there's no proof for or against his guilt. There are no better candidates that I can see, and there's nothing wrong with harassing him until he finally breaks or tries to vigilante kill me. At least then I'll know what he's up to at night.

[johnhughthom]

Tally:

Secura: 3 (Yaro, khaan, White_eyes)
Sigurd: 3 (Psychonaut, Beskie, TopCat)
Naughty Beskie: 2 (GH, RR)
atheotes: 1 (Auto)
Beefy: 1 (Sasaki)
Csargo: 1 (TM)
Atpg: 1 (Methos)
RR: 1 (I-K)
Sasaki: 1 (Diamondeye)
pever: 1 (Jolt)
Diamondeye: 1 (WH)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't forget.... I will vote: Methos until he's dead. Right, Methos? :eyebrows:

[Renata]

vote Sigurd, I think, though Autolycus' vote makes me want to vote him as well.

[Thermal]

This may be unknowingly a bad idea, but I personally think it would be an idea if everyone, yes everyone said what groups they were in and what they plan to do at night, if people don't do what they say it will be pretty obvious in the write up and people who don't stick to what they said they'd do can be voted for. Thoughts?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

This may be unknowingly a bad idea, but I personally think it would be an idea if everyone, yes everyone said what groups they were in and what they plan to do at night, if people don't do what they say it will be pretty obvious in the write up and people who don't stick to what they said they'd do can be voted for. Thoughts?

Very often, mafia are in the groups and and going along with what the groups do, and there are townies (and pro town roles) are not in groups. This is close to what pizza tried for in capo, but he had the cross verification and a different recruitement system.

[Double A]

vote: TM for not posting in red again.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This may be unknowingly a bad idea, but I personally think it would be an idea if everyone, yes everyone said what groups they were in and what they plan to do at night, if people don't do what they say it will be pretty obvious in the write up and people who don't stick to what they said they'd do can be voted for. Thoughts?

Sure, and we expose every pro-town role in the process.... not a wise move.

[Thermal]

vote: TM for not posting in red again.

Is that all you look out for? Actually bother reading my posts and you may even find out as to why I posted in that colour in the first place.

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Anyways was just an idea, :beam:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

This may be unknowingly a bad idea, but I personally think it would be an idea if everyone, yes everyone said what groups they were in and what they plan to do at night, if people don't do what they say it will be pretty obvious in the write up and people who don't stick to what they said they'd do can be voted for. Thoughts?

I think this is impossible because some could just forget to send their orders but for the others they will be automatically guilty.

[johnhughthom]

I think this is impossible because some could just forget to send their orders but for the others they will be automatically guilty.

Communication and ccing your teammates on your orders should makes this irrelevant

[Centurion1]

vote: secura

even it back up.

[Diamondeye]

Plain and simply it is not my problem that you cant understand my line of thinking. The problem is in your corner.

You could argue that.

Then again I have roughly one vote more than you now, so not really.


Hide saving attempts aren't particularly scummy.

FOS: khaan

Major scum points here...

In games with a vig, the accepted best strategy is that he kill every night. At least, many people believe that. I certainly do and have often pushed for vig kills. Let's take a normal game, with say 1 lynch and 2 mafia kills. The town has one shot at mafia, the mafia have 2 at town. Now let's say the town can kill at night. They just doubled their chance at finding mafia. Arguing against vig kills is similar to arguing for "no lynch".

@the FoS; I agree, Khaan is acting a bit off although it might just be for laughs.
@Vigs; I'm torn here. If I was a vig in a normal game I'd kill every night, but in this game we are working with large groups that can be infected by mafia and thus turned into weapons against the town.


vote Sigurd, I think, though Autolycus' vote makes me want to vote him as well.

I'm rather convinced by Secura and Beskar. When it comes down to Beskar/Secura or Sigurd who stole well-deserved victory from my mafia team in Netherworld II by lurking, I'm going to go with a Sigurd lynch. I'll change my vote if it looks like Sasaki doesn't get more attention.


Sure, and we expose every pro-town role in the process.... not a wise move.

Good point ;)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

vote: secura

even it back up.

aka save my scumpartner sigurd? Hmm?

[Subotan]

Vote: Sigurd
Just to even it back up

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Communication and ccing your teammates on your orders should makes this irrelevant

It doesn't matter that your teammates know what your orders are if you forget to send them to CR.
Also, RL could step in and people just can't send their orders.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Communication and ccing your teammates on your orders should makes this irrelevant

There is still no way to determine who is just unavailable, who doesn't care enough about the game to do it right, and who is guilty.

Also I tend to suspect that those guilty people won't fall for such an obvious trap. They will go along with the vigilante kills and simply not kill those being protected. In the meantime anyone who can investigate and try to recruit will continue to do so, and you'll be focusing everyone's attention on a system that is nearly guaranteed to fail, in addition to preventing power roles from doing their job without being potentially exposed. Why wasn't player B performing vigilante kill? Was busy doing his task... now these stunts expose him not only to the townies but also, potentially, gives the mafia a clue who to kill if they decide to kill.

I have every confidence that the town, with proper organization, can do great things in most games. Here, the game setup is such that you've got a whole lot of tempting but bad moves, no matter how well intentioned, that will lead you to ruin. And that's coming from mister pro-town organizer himself. Count me out.

[Csargo]

Whilst Reenk's threat to attack Secura (and continuation with saying he did it) is real, given Tincow's rapid response, it wouldn't surprise me if the two of you were working together.

I like that Secura pointed out how most of the victims were lurkers, if they were to have similar theories as Kage, that would give us a wide birth, personally I think Csargo, who discreetly followed the Atheotes bandwagon last round (after Kage did) then blames Beskar for lying, even though everyone else had established he was lying....An excuse to remove Atheotes in my opinion, there were a lot of excuses that round...

Vote: Csargo

That sort of had a delayed effect...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Truth is, we have enough vig power and other pro town power to compete with the mafia on even terms. Other strategies are gamey.

[Reenk Roink]

The problem with people voting for lurkers is that "lurking" is such a poorly defined predicate that it encompasses many behaviors that share only a common (an extremely subjective) notion of less activity. In Swords in the Moon, Ichigo was stated as lurking to victory though his posting frequency went up. I'm sure I could find counter-examples of the same type with Sigurd, but I'm too lazy to argue with you guys anymore.

Vote: Secura Glad to see she's the option now.


When it takes you multiple lengthy posts to explain why your actions were ambiguous, your actions weren't ambiguous.

I think you are missing the point of my multiple and lengthy posts. Most of them do not have to do with justifying my (in)action in the first place. Rather, I am quite upset that Kagemusha was lynched and I believe Secura is up to no good.

Given that I feel pretty good that I can use either the affirmation or denial of my (in)action to further my personal goals in the game in the future, and given that both opinions about me are seeming to have the end result that I am not being suspected, I believe I was right about this matter of extreme import being not much of an issue.

[Diamondeye]

unvote: Sasaki
vote: Sigurd
FoS: Cent1

[Centurion1]

aka save my scumpartner sigurd? Hmm?

aka i voted for sigurd before, i think.........

i tied it up whoever came after and voted ruined it. because renata voted sigurd and then i voted secura.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Truth is, we have enough vig power and other pro town power to compete with the mafia on even terms. Other strategies are gamey.

I'm fine with lots of (independent of one another) vigilante teams. TinCow says this is a bad idea, which gives me pause.

Vigilante kills are the same as lynches. Lynches are mostly random, too. But TinCow isn't against lynching, presumably because who is responsible is made public. But they accomplish the same thing: attempts to kill the mafia before they can recruit enough people to win.

If some people back out of vigilante kills, it might be because mafia buddy A is trying to vigilante kill mafia buddy B. Obviously he won't want to go through with it. (Or, he's forced into it which is just delicious)

Either way, you've got some good out of it.

Meanwhile, you've got pro-townies trying to do their jobs. Well, removing a few suspects for them can't hurt. The only thing that will hurt is if you attack them. But given that we don't have all the time in the world to wait for them to scan everyone... with their ineffective scans that don't even tell us anything conclusive... my vote is on preemptive strikes.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The problem with people voting for lurkers is that "lurking" is such a poorly defined predicate that it encompasses many behaviors that share only a common (an extremely subjective) notion of less activity. In Swords in the Moon, Ichigo was stated as lurking to victory though his posting frequency went up. I'm sure I could find counter-examples of the same type with Sigurd, but I'm too lazy to argue with you guys anymore.

There are several types of lurking.

1) Absence from thread, either with excuses or without. Just showing up to avoid WoG. (atheotes style :p)
2) Post a lot, but say very little of substance, don't do much (ichigo in swords of moon).
3) Show up once a round with a decent size post. Make a reasonable vote and back it up. Disappear (sigurd style).
4) Show up once a round to vote, randomly or with minor reasoning (khaan style)

They are all pretty easy to fake. It is easy to play that way and not do anything really suspicious. Many townies do it. That it was makes it a good mafia strategy. In the round where someone claimed a detective result on your mafia partner, if you'd already posted you "post of the day" you can just skate on by. A more active player has to comment and decide who to support.

So lynching and vigging lurkers is a probabilistic strategy. You can figure that they have a decent chance of being mafia, and that the only way to test if they are is by killing them. Then, later in the game, we can make decisions about people who actually have evidence against them.

The active people tend to get investigated the most, and are most likely to confirm themselves in some way by participating in groups, perhaps vigging mafia.

[Thermal]

Unfortunately, I think it doubtful any sort of evidence will be available in this game, just a matter of instinct, which isn't the best weapon to have....

[Sasaki Kojiro]

aka i voted for sigurd before, i think.........

i tied it up whoever came after and voted ruined it. because renata voted sigurd and then i voted secura.

You voted for him before but you aren't now? If you find him suspicious, why would you vote to tie it? If you don't find him suspicious, then why did you vote him before? Perhaps you were distancing, and now you are saving.

[Askthepizzaguy]

instinct, which isn't the best weapon to have....

Speak for yourself. :snobby:

[TinCow]

I'm fine with lots of (independent of one another) vigilante teams. TinCow says this is a bad idea, which gives me pause.

Vigilante kills are the same as lynches. Lynches are mostly random, too. But TinCow isn't against lynching, presumably because who is responsible is made public. But they accomplish the same thing: attempts to kill the mafia before they can recruit enough people to win.

To be clear, I'm against RANDOM vig kills. Vig teams that are striking decent targets and who are all vouching for each other are a totally different thing.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

To be clear, I'm against RANDOM vig kills. Vig teams that are striking decent targets and who are all vouching for each other are a totally different thing.

Which is why your argument earlier was a straw man :p

[Askthepizzaguy]

To be clear, I'm against RANDOM vig kills. Vig teams that are striking decent targets and who are all vouching for each other are a totally different thing.

Why not random? What qualities make someone a decent target?

Mafia can easily shift to meet the definition of "not" a decent target. So if you leave it ambiguous who is or isn't a decent target, and shoot truly randomly, there's no bias.

[Kagemusha]

You could argue that.

Then again I have roughly one vote more than you now, so not really.

Maybe in that case you should be reading ATPG´S AND Sasaki´s posts because they are saying exactly the same thing ive been repeating to death today. Or maybe you have a better strategy in your sleeve?

[Centurion1]

You voted for him before but you aren't now? If you find him suspicious, why would you vote to tie it? If you don't find him suspicious, then why did you vote him before? Perhaps you were distancing, and now you are saving.

because at the moment i find no one suspicious.

though i am mildly afraid of you sasaki.

[Thermal]

Speak for yourself. :snobby:

Sorry to brake it to you but instincts are pretty much educated guesses. :creep:

We should consider that whilst we may be killing some innocent people, it does give each of us a foothold to promotion, even if we lose half of the townies, the remaining townies will probably all be soldier all above. So not all bad trading quantity for skill.

[atheotes]

1) Absence from thread, either with excuses or without. Just showing up to avoid WoG. (atheotes style :p)


:stare:

you called it MY style ~:pat:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

because at the moment i find no one suspicious.

though i am mildly afraid of you sasaki.

Why did you vote for Sigurd originally?

[Sigurd]

This is rubbish...

You can't call someone lurker after only two rounds. You all know that I need to build momentum, unlike certain other oral vomiters.
And the Lurker victory of Soiree. Get over it... I was playing mafia in three concurrent games and had to play different styles in each of them. So I did what I needed to do to win... which I did, in each of the three games (and no Mafia award for me) - Mafia in Soiree, Bernard in Ephesus and the sister in YLC's nights.
Besides ... I was not the inventor of lurking mafia... you already lynched him last round.

[Thermal]

unlike certain other oral vomiters.


Such as?
:drama2:

[atheotes]

This is rubbish...

You can't call someone lurker after only two rounds. You all know that I need to build momentum, unlike certain other oral vomiters.
And the Lurker victory of Soiree. Get over it... I was playing mafia in three concurrent games and had to play different styles in each of them. So I did what I needed to do to win... which I did, in each of the three games (and no Mafia award for me) - Mafia in Soiree, Bernard in Ephesus and the sister in YLC's nights.
Besides ... I was not the inventor of lurking mafia... you already lynched him last round.

no vote or comment about this game?

[Subotan]

because at the moment i find no one suspicious.

though i am mildly afraid of you sasaki.
Not only are there plenty of suspicious people but Sasaki is a proven townie :stare:

[Sigurd]

Kage has it right... Sasaki is always guilty.

vote:Sasaki

[Kagemusha]

This is rubbish...

You can't call someone lurker after only two rounds. You all know that I need to build momentum, unlike certain other oral vomiters.
And the Lurker victory of Soiree. Get over it... I was playing mafia in three concurrent games and had to play different styles in each of them. So I did what I needed to do to win... which I did, in each of the three games (and no Mafia award for me) - Mafia in Soiree, Bernard in Ephesus and the sister in YLC's nights.
Besides ... I was not the inventor of lurking mafia... you already lynched him last round.

Well i wouldnt call inventor. Its not my fault i won as mafia in the first ever mafia game we had in the Org.:laugh4:


Not only are there plenty of suspicious people but Sasaki is a proven townie :stare:

What is this "proven" nonsense. First Beskar claims to be proven townie and now you claim Sasaki is proven townie in your claim. Im sorry but have i missed couple detective results along the way?

[Sigurd]

Well i wouldnt call inventor. Its not my fault i won as mafia in the first ever mafia game we had in the Org.:laugh4:
It was you I thought of when applying that strategy.... You should go and find that game. What a mess. I particularly felt sorry for ATPG. He spent 50 hours concocting a Holmes replica... which when applied lynched everybody but the Mafia.

[Centurion1]

Why did you vote for Sigurd originally?

i think im getting it confused with a twc game.

and if i did it was a random first round lynch.

and subo im afraid because i know he wields townie powers

[atheotes]

Not only are there plenty of suspicious people but Sasaki is a proven townie :stare:

proven? :inquisitive: how so? even detective results clearing as being a townie is no good.

[Diamondeye]

Why not random? What qualities make someone a decent target?

Mafia can easily shift to meet the definition of "not" a decent target. So if you leave it ambiguous who is or isn't a decent target, and shoot truly randomly, there's no bias.

You know very well that that would lead nowhere.


Maybe in that case you should be reading ATPG´S AND Sasaki´s posts because they are saying exactly the same thing ive been repeating to death today. Or maybe you have a better strategy in your sleeve?

Who, ATPG who tells me that both Secura and Beskar are probably innocent, or scummy Sasakis? No I think not. In fact...


Kage has it right... Sasaki is always guilty.

vote:Sasaki

I'm willing to give Sigurd a second chance if others support the Sasaki lynch I originally suggested.

[Diamondeye]

Not only are there plenty of suspicious people but Sasaki is a proven townie :stare:

Okay I'd like an explanation of this as well.

[Crazed Rabbit]

NOTE:
All night actions happen simultaneously, a la Capo.

CR

[Kagemusha]

You know very well that that would lead nowhere.



Who, ATPG who tells me that both Secura and Beskar are probably innocent, or scummy Sasakis? No I think not. In fact...



I'm willing to give Sigurd a second chance if others support the Sasaki lynch I originally suggested.

You have just probably lost me somewhere along the way about what i have been discussing with you lately.My bad.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It was you I thought of when applying that strategy.... You should go and find that game. What a mess. I particularly felt sorry for ATPG. He spent 50 hours concocting a Holmes replica... which when applied lynched everybody but the Mafia.

That's not true. It caught TevashSzat in one game, and nailed someone in one of YLC's games quite easily. It's principles have been responsible for most of the people I've ever nailed, which is a LOT.

[Subotan]

What is this "proven" nonsense. First Beskar claims to be proven townie and now you claim Sasaki is proven townie in your claim. Im sorry but have i missed couple detective results along the way?
Well, proven was the wrong word. I forgot the connotations that had with investigation results. "Likely" was probably better. Certainly a lot more likely than either Sigurd or Beskar, who I both think are snakes in the grass.

[White_eyes:D]

Well i wouldnt call inventor. Its not my fault i won as mafia in the first ever mafia game we had in the Org.:laugh4:
I saw how he played there....not much difference from Khaan or Sasaki, really:shrug:(Meaning, "impossible to read":laugh4:)

@Sigurd, you broke a personal rule when you lied in "Chicago Soiree". You told Andres though PM that you were "busy in real life, so give me a break".:book:

We gave you that break and you later on, you are telling us you were even doing the kill WRITE-UPS(Being "busy and all")...and was not posting enough for anyone to get a read on:juggle2:(And you had your scum buddy do it as well)

Now I get the feeling your just trying too save your own skin but I will give you the "benefit of the doubt" this time:inquisitive:

[Kagemusha]

That's not true. It caught TevashSzat in one game, and nailed someone in one of YLC's games quite easily. It's principles have been responsible for most of the people I've ever nailed, which is a LOT.

In matter of fact our original mafia hunter tested it on me in one game we were a mafia team, but couldnt get anything out of Holmes that showed i were mafia.

[Diamondeye]

You have just probably lost me somewhere along the way about what i have been discussing with you lately.My bad.

Gah I made a long and handy post but it got eaten.

Short resume; I apologize for confusing discussions; my discussion with you was about vig kills and I am against for what I can sum up as three swift reasons;
1: mafia infestation
2: failure risks/mafia protection
3: no postmortem role reveals from GM

[Double A]

Thermal, it's very hard to read your posts when there are 10 other pages staring at me with uncaring eyes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gah I made a long and handy post but it got eaten.

Short resume; I apologize for confusing discussions; my discussion with you was about vig kills and I am against for what I can sum up as three swift reasons;
1: mafia infestation
2: failure risks/mafia protection
3: no postmortem role reveals from GM

1. If mafia know there's going to be a vig attack on one of their own... then the vigilante attack will fail for mysterious reasons, or we will have killed one of their own.

Surely someone will report something about a hastily assembled protection ring at the last minute to protect someone for no known reason.

2. Everything has a risk of failure. Otherwise these games wouldn't be exciting at all.

3. Delayed post-mortems, not none.

[Yaropolk]

I asked for this before, but nobody answered - where did host mention delayed post mortems? I cant find it.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The summary thread is now up, for your conveinience: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?127006-The-Shadow-Fort-Summary-Thread

EDIT: on revealing roles:
Most aspects of roles will be revealed on the third morning after a character's death, though certain characters will remain mysterious and actions will not be revealed until after the game is complete. (From Seamus' capo rules)

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

First post:


Adding some Irish Moss;
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Most aspects of roles will be revealed on the third morning after a character's death, though certain characters will remain mysterious and actions will not be revealed until after the game is complete. (From Seamus' capo rules)

[Thermal]

Thermal, it's very hard to read your posts when there are 10 other pages staring at me with uncaring eyes.

Well I managed to read all the pages :snobby:

[Diamondeye]

1. If mafia know there's going to be a vig attack on one of their own... then the vigilante attack will fail for mysterious reasons, or we will have killed one of their own.

Surely someone will report something about a hastily assembled protection ring at the last minute to protect someone for no known reason.

2. Everything has a risk of failure. Otherwise these games wouldn't be exciting at all.

3. Delayed post-mortems, not none.

1: So everytime a vig attack squad messes up because someone forgets to send in orders, you'll assume they're mafia?
That'd make... 3, 4, 5 people mafia this night?

2: I know. What I meant was that the failure risks and protection possibilities were probably larger for mafia. Again, my original post that got eaten explained this, sorry I brushed over it easily.

3: We don't know what roles will/won't be revealed, and working with info that's three game days old buys the mafia plenty of time off the town.

I'm just saying why I didn't find it attractive :beam:

[Double A]

Well I managed to read all the pages :snobby:

You didn't have 2 days' worth of pile-up.

[Sigurd]

That's not true. It caught TevashSzat in one game, and nailed someone in one of YLC's games quite easily. It's principles have been responsible for most of the people I've ever nailed, which is a LOT.
Well you might have refined it at a later time, but during Chicago you "nailed" everybody but Sigurd and boudica who were the only Mafia in that game.

Well, proven was the wrong word. I forgot the connotations that had with investigation results. "Likely" was probably better. Certainly a lot more likely than either Sigurd or Beskar, who I both think are snakes in the grass.
I don't like the way you stick up for Sasaki and try to hammer argumentum ad nauseams at us. Repetition still doesn't make something true.



@Sigurd, you broke a personal rule when you lied in "Chicago Soiree". You told Andres though PM that you were "busy in real life, so give me a break".
We gave you that break and you later on, you are telling us you were even doing the kill WRITE-UPS(Being "busy and all")...and was not posting enough for anyone to get a read on (And you had your scum buddy do it as well)

Now I get the feeling your just trying too save your own skin but I will give you the "benefit of the doubt" this time
As I said - and you probably just skimmed over... Andres hosted a game which ran concurrently, you know what that means - at the same time - with Soriee. I was Bernard in that game and was responsible for most of those writeups as well. In addition - I played you and Reenkster in YLC's Nights game. I was not lying that I had a bit much on my plate. I was just wording it in an Aes Sedai kind of way - not lying only implying - and the reader interpreted it favourably.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vigilante action has a long history of being deadly to the mafia.

And, the issue isn't even whether you disagree, but whether you think the fact that GH and I have a different opinion means that we are mafia.

[Sigurd]

I just read over posts that I had to skim to get to the end. It seems I am leading the tally by a wide margin. And all are votes based on the alleged accusation that I am "lurking" ... Are you going to remove those votes now that I am here, forced by you to build up that momentum that would had been much more savvy to apply later in this game.

[atheotes]

I asked for this before, but nobody answered - where did host mention delayed post mortems? I cant find it.

someone (Sasaki?) quoted the info for you previously.... it is in the OP under the section "Adding some Irish Moss"


Most aspects of roles will be revealed on the third morning after a character's death, though certain characters will remain mysterious and actions will not be revealed until after the game is complete. (From Seamus' capo rules)

Edit: Must learn not to leave a written post hanging for a long time or refresh before posting it :embarassed:

[Askthepizzaguy]

1: So everytime a vig attack squad messes up because someone forgets to send in orders, you'll assume they're mafia?
That'd make... 3, 4, 5 people mafia this night?

That's not what I was saying at all...

If a vigilante squad messes up because someone didn't send in their orders, first, you ask people if they remembered to send in orders.
Next, if someone says they forgot, you kick them out of that group and you try again the next night, with another person added to the mix.
If person dies and was mafia, you lynch person who "forgot" to send in orders.
If a vigilante squad messes up and no one comes forward to explain why, it's time to start killing members of that group.

I never said, suggested, or alluded to the idea that everyone in that group is mafia.... that's quite an absurd conclusion to reach. Why would you suggest that is my position?


2: I know. What I meant was that the failure risks and protection possibilities were probably larger for mafia. Again, my original post that got eaten explained this, sorry I brushed over it easily.

Okay, fair enough, but I can't see what your position is if you don't explain it.


3: We don't know what roles will/won't be revealed, and working with info that's three game days old buys the mafia plenty of time off the town.

???

The mafia will off the town in three days?

Obviously some mafia roles will be revealed, or we will get a bunch of townies and some "unknowns". I'll be happy if suspect turns up "unknown". We never had any issues with this in Capo III. The game lasted a long while and people were willing to wait the three days.

I fail to comprehend your position on this. It sounds like a bunch of unfounded cynicism, offering nothing in return as a counter-proposal.

[Centurion1]

capo did in fact last a long time.

the three days thing is for the mafia so they dont get wipe dout too fast.

remember multiple enemy factions no one has any allies. the town is but the largest (lets assume) of multiple factions.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I just read over posts that I had to skim to get to the end. It seems I am leading the tally by a wide margin. And all are votes based on the alleged accusation that I am "lurking" ... Are you going to remove those votes now that I am here, forced by you to build up that momentum that would had been much more savvy to apply later in this game.

Sigurd, your "lay low until things get interesting" translates as "lurk until people are caught up in something else and I won't be lynched". By the way. "had to skim to get to the end" and "alleged accusation of lurking"?

You're ahead by a couple votes.

[Thermal]

@Sigurd

Another thing, when I asked who you thought was 'orally vomiting' you didn't say who? A comment like that gives the impression that you'd rather stifle discussion, which is handy for mafia as they would have little need to post at all.

[Joooray]

Since I don't have time to read through the thread I feel unable to cast an informed vote right now.
I vote for an extension of the phase though as it seems there has no clear target emerged so far. :shrug:

[Sigurd]

@Sigurd

Another thing, when I asked who you thought was 'orally vomiting' you didn't say who? A comment like that gives the impression that you'd rather stifle discussion, which is handy for mafia as they would have little need to post at all.
I am not against discussions... but to fill 10 pages with nothing but speculation resulting in a single lynch - a lynch of a townie... is excess. I am going to pull story here, because when we started playing mafia, a 30 player game would produce a little more than 300 posts from beginning to end. We are currently pushing 900 posts and we just had the first night with kills. I call it oral vomit because it is not discussion. It is white noise - irritating and a mud pit to wade through getting one's bearings. Not many can get a clear picture of what has been said - and to re-read the thread to look for clues is near impossible. Oral vomit - as I call it (don't get offended on me now) helps the Mafia. If they happen to make mistakes and reveal where they shouldn't, we will not catch it because the pace of the game is too high.

tally?

Sigurd: 6 (Psychonaut, Beskie, TopCat, Renata, Subotan, Diamond)
Secura: 4 (5) (Yaro, khaan, White_eyes, Cent, RR)
Naughty Beskie: 2 (1) (GH, RR)
Thermal : 1 (AA)
atheotes: 1 (Auto)
Beefy: 1 (Sasaki)
Csargo: 1 (TM)
Atpg: 1 (Methos)
RR: 1 (I-K)
Sasaki: 1 (Sigurd)
pever: 1 (Jolt)
Diamondeye: 1 (WH)

RR didn't unvote before placing a vote on Secura

[TinCow]

Why not random? What qualities make someone a decent target?

Mafia can easily shift to meet the definition of "not" a decent target. So if you leave it ambiguous who is or isn't a decent target, and shoot truly randomly, there's no bias.

Random vig kills are those conducted without any attempt at disposing of an actual suspect. Anything generated by random.org qualifies, as does any kill where the target is picked without any pro-town reasoning whatsoever. Determinations as to whether the reasons for a kill are valid are made by me. In addition, any kill in which I am the target is also random, even if it has been well thought-out and approved of by the entire town.

[TheFlax]

What can I say, I dislike lurkers.

Right back at ya. :wink:

Vote: Secura

[Thermal]

I am not against discussions... but to fill 10 pages with nothing but speculation resulting in a single lynch - a lynch of a townie... is excess.



Fair dues, It is a little much to read and not all of it is constructive, but there are 42 people playing and everyone wants to get there views across.



I am going to pull story here, because when we started playing mafia, a 30 player game would produce a little more than 300 posts from beginning to end. We are currently pushing 900 posts and we just had the first night with kills. I call it oral vomit because it is not discussion. It is white noise



The start made me laugh for some reason, 900 posts at this point just does sound absurd... :laugh4: . However I disagree, it is discussion, disregarding the spam, there are actually some well constructed well argued posts, putting pressure on players can be effective, they could slip up, it also promotes activity in lurkers if they are been talked about and voted for.



Oral vomit - as I call it (don't get offended on me now) helps the Mafia. If they happen to make mistakes and reveal where they shouldn't, we will not catch it because the pace of the game is too high.

Whilst the pace is high, it would be gullible to assume mistakes couldn't be pointed out, with the amount of people active and the amount of thread stalking players we have almost all posts will get at least a once over and usually a reply if its relevant, most posts get quoted and replied to, if there is a scummy post amongst them it should stick out like a sore thumb.

[Double A]

I am not against discussions... but to fill 10 pages with nothing but speculation resulting in a single lynch - a lynch of a townie... is excess. I am going to pull story here, because when we started playing mafia, a 30 player game would produce a little more than 300 posts from beginning to end. We are currently pushing 900 posts and we just had the first night with kills. I call it oral vomit because it is not discussion. It is white noise - irritating and a mud pit to wade through getting one's bearings. Not many can get a clear picture of what has been said - and to re-read the thread to look for clues is near impossible. Oral vomit - as I call it (don't get offended on me now) helps the Mafia. If they happen to make mistakes and reveal where they shouldn't, we will not catch it because the pace of the game is too high.


Once again, someone clarifys something voicing my opinion without me having to do anything... THAT is why I barely even skimmed over 600 posts - I knew there would be little worth reading, other than the odd revalation or joke. As far as I can tell, everything up until this round, and possibly this round included, was speculation or chatter.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Right back at ya. :wink:

Vote: Secura

unvote:beefy, vote:TheFlax

Casual vote with no reason when the the wagon is super close.

Centurion is guilty of this too, and possibly guilty as well.

[Diamondeye]

That's not what I was saying at all...

If a vigilante squad messes up because someone didn't send in their orders, first, you ask people if they remembered to send in orders.
Next, if someone says they forgot, you kick them out of that group and you try again the next night, with another person added to the mix.
If person dies and was mafia, you lynch person who "forgot" to send in orders.
If a vigilante squad messes up and no one comes forward to explain why, it's time to start killing members of that group.

I never said, suggested, or alluded to the idea that everyone in that group is mafia.... that's quite an absurd conclusion to reach. Why would you suggest that is my position?

First of all; excuse me if I seem bitter but my computer decided to crash in a way that very probably means it has a virus or at least a serious problem. It's roughly eight months old and has cost me what would equal roughly 1.000 dollars, not counting office software and the like, and contains most of my documents, all music that I don't have on CDs (which is quite a lot), and lots of other things I'm fond of. I'm tired and up late to complete an anti-viral scan on the thing so I can turn it off with at least a bit of calm in my mind. This is the excuse if I seem to be getting to my temper in hurry right now (heck, it almost ate my first blog entry too, by that sudden crash. God bless the memory of Mozilla Firefox).

I was pretty much pulling a strawman there, I must agree, but I'm still not sold on how much control the town will have with these vigilante groups. It's a bloody way to go down but it might be proven necessary. For now, though, it looks as if most of the killings are done by over-eager townspersons, which is bad. More on this on next lines;


Okay, fair enough, but I can't see what your position is if you don't explain it.
???
The mafia will off the town in three days?
Obviously some mafia roles will be revealed, or we will get a bunch of townies and some "unknowns". I'll be happy if suspect turns up "unknown". We never had any issues with this in Capo III. The game lasted a long while and people were willing to wait the three days.
I fail to comprehend your position on this. It sounds like a bunch of unfounded cynicism, offering nothing in return as a counter-proposal.

What I'm thinking is that if there's a lynch, say two mafia kills and a couple of vig kills every day/night, these three days are roughly worth 15 lives. By the time we figure out that Kage was mafia, we might have already ruined our own shot at victory.

Now, instead, consider a single lynch and 1-2 mafia kills every day/night, coupled with protection rings instead of vig kill groups; if we're really lucky, we can reach 5 deaths in 3 days, 3 of them decided by town. 10 seems more likely but still far better than 15. This means that the less vig kills we use now, the more info we will have before the game enters the endgame phase.

[TheFlax]

Casual vote with no reason when the the wagon is super close.

Maybe I'd rather see Secura go, rather than Sigurd? :shrug:

[Beskar]

FoS: TheFlax , lurking Mafia trying to save scum partner.

[Myrddraal]

My apologies, I'm trying to keep up. Currently read up to post #720.

My thoughts so far:


Someone had to bait the trap, treacle.
I'm sure you won't mind telling me: were you actively cooperating with Beskar (he had told you he was baiting, and he needed you to encourage others) or did you guess what he was up to and decided to support him?


He has simply told me who he is, and vice versa... I'd be able to ascertain as such knowing him for as long as I have, and vice versa.
I'm a townie too. Do you honestly think that Beskar would be incapable of keeping it from you if he were mafia? This is a game remember, no issues of trust are broken if he lies to you, and I'm sure he's capable of seeing it that way too. I'm not saying Beskar is mafia, I don't think he is, but I'm not impressed with this "I would know" attitute. This is a game of lies and deceit.


I trusted you Diamondeye. I stood by you through every single round, mostly, and I defended you until you died. I took a lot of heat for it, too.

Obviously since I was defending you, we were both mafia. Since I mention it now, we must also both be mafia. We're such predictable scum. Let's both bandwagon the same people half of the time, too, it's a classic scumtell.

Unnecessary WIFOM. Are you setting yourself up to look innocent later?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Maybe I'd rather see Secura go, rather than Sigurd? :shrug:

You tell me.

Did you add that advertisement for Sigurd's upcoming game because he's your mafia partner? Perhaps he was talking about it in your quicktopic.

[TheFlax]

You tell me.

Did you add that advertisement for Sigurd's upcoming game because he's your mafia partner? Perhaps he was talking about it in your quicktopic.

:laugh4:

I've had that ad for his game ever since he made a thread advertising said game with these banners. I believe that was a few months ago.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:laugh4:

I've had that ad for his game ever since he made a thread advertising said game with these banners. I believe that was a few months ago.

I'm not surprised.

I wondered if you'd reply to that bit and neatly ignore the part about saying what you thought of Sigurd and Secura...

[Secura]

Oral vomit - as I call it (don't get offended on me now) helps the Mafia. If they happen to make mistakes and reveal where they shouldn't, we will not catch it because the pace of the game is too high.

This is pretty much why I was hoping Kagemusha would reduce his post count a little; yes, he's contributed some very good points to the discussion, but in turn we're not getting to hear what everyone has to say, people are getting lost in the mire (or oral vomit, if you'd prefer to call it that).

I wanted to hear more from those who're alive.


I'm sure you won't mind telling me: were you actively cooperating with Beskar (he had told you he was baiting, and he needed you to encourage others) or did you guess what he was up to and decided to support him?

I guessed what he was up to, he clarified after a few votes had been cast on himself/atheotes. I unvoted because the baiting was a success; the FoS was merely a jokey thing.


I'm a townie too. Do you honestly think that Beskar would be incapable of keeping it from you if he were mafia? This is a game remember, no issues of trust are broken if he lies to you, and I'm sure he's capable of seeing it that way too. I'm not saying Beskar is mafia, I don't think he is, but I'm not impressed with this "I would know" attitute. This is a game of lies and deceit.

It's not really in his nature; I have to laugh when I see how he acts on these forums because he's an entirely different character outside of the Org.

I see it differently; he might be lying, but I believe I'd be pretty good at picking up if he was. After ten years, you sorta learn to read between the lines of what someone says. I apologise if my attitude towards his innocence irked you.

[Reenk Roink]

Sigurd is right about this oral vomit. :rolleyes: Another reason to favor Secura lynch over Sigurd, he is more quiet.

Just to make sure my vote for Secura counts (I edited the original Beskar vote post but to make CR's life easier):

Unvote: Secura/Beskar
Vote: Secura - I think she's in the lead now.

Sasaki, while it's good you're nuancing your view of lurkers more than usual, it still doesn't work. Ichigo for example may have posted a lot of "little value" in SotM, but he just barely posted in The Settlement.

Also what the crap is this contradictory mess?

"Many townies do it [lurking]."
"So lynching and vigging lurkers is a probabilistic strategy. You can figure that they have a decent chance of being mafia..."

:dizzy2:

No it's not, a ton of the quiet people in this game are disinterested townies. Book it.

Face it, people are voting for lurkers because they can't tell whether they're Mafia or not and so the way they do it is by trying to take away the playstyle totally. :no: Kommodus tried to do this with his behavior changes program as well, look how well that turned out. :rolleyes: They weren't able to force static behavior and they wont force non lurking though, lurking is probably the best strategy in this game.

As weak of a case you may think Secura has on her, at least (most of) it is based on the context of this game alone. Not so for Sigurd.

[autolycus]

I think seeing how people react under pressure can be useful. One vote at this point isn't any real pressure. I need to get baseline data on those I haven't played with before. Therefore, to apply more pressure to a single person, I'm going to unvote: atheotes, vote:pevergreen

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now, instead, consider a single lynch and 1-2 mafia kills every day/night, coupled with protection rings instead of vig kill groups; if we're really lucky, we can reach 5 deaths in 3 days, 3 of them decided by town. 10 seems more likely but still far better than 15. This means that the less vig kills we use now, the more info we will have before the game enters the endgame phase.

The mafia don't seem too keen on killing anyone, Diamondeye, they are looking to boost their own numbers.

We can either give them plenty of time to find people, or we can pressure them now with lots of attacks coming from anonymous sources at night, which they cannot defend against.


Unnecessary WIFOM. Are you setting yourself up to look innocent later?

Was more of an unnecessary joke. In that game people accused me of colluding with Diamondeye, even as pressure was ramped up on both of us. They thought DE was guilty and my attempts to give him more time were evidence of a connection. The idea was so absurd that it needed to be poked fun at, especially seeing as neither of us were guilty.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

TheFlax is who we should be lynching.

There are significant benefits to having cut down on the number of lurkers before endgame. It is much easier when we have done so than the games where we eliminate the heavy posters early.

We don't pick lurkers randomly, we pick the most suspicious of the lurkers.

[TheFlax]

I'm not surprised.

I wondered if you'd reply to that bit and neatly ignore the part about saying what you thought of Sigurd and Secura...

Oh, very well... I'll add to the verbillage one last time this round. First off, I don't say much in large games because I'm rarely up to date, I do take the time to read every post and generally I do my best to make an informed vote. This time around, I've just finished wading through twelve pages of posts and I tend to agree with what Sigurd said about the amount of posts. So I chose to defend my fellow "lurker" and vote for someone who disliked lurkers. Not the most rational vote ever, but I stand by it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That's an innocent sounding reply. unvote:TheFlax, vote:Secura

Sigurd hasn't defended himself in a particularly suspicious way (he is perfectly capable of that as mafia though). I remember now mislynching him for lurking in a past game as well. Secura doesn't seem to have voted yet, and doesn't seem to be looking for mafia. She's very scummy as town, so presumably also scummy as mafia. I remember a lot of strategy type, non-mafia looking for posts from her in nobless. If she is guilty it's likely a twofer with her and beskar.

[Secura]

Only one of two possible votes is going to really matter now; I'm hardly likely to vote myself, and I don't really believe Sigurd's guilty, otherwise I'd have voted for him.

Anything else is like voting for the Liberal Democrats; a completely wasted vote and a complete waste of time.

[Seon]

I'm curious now. I am detecting that some people here are voting on Secura seemingly with no reasons , although I think it is because they want to save Sigurd (espescially yoooou, Cent, and TheFlax). I wonder why...

Well, this may be as good time as any to do a blind leap of faith. Also there is this fact that I am compulsively distrustful of people lurking to victory Vote: Sigurd.

There. Give me one good reason to spare Sigurd over Secura now.

[Diamondeye]

The mafia don't seem too keen on killing anyone, Diamondeye, they are looking to boost their own numbers.

We can either give them plenty of time to find people, or we can pressure them now with lots of attacks coming from anonymous sources at night, which they cannot defend against.

I can't see any conversions out of the writeup. I know it's a game feature but it's one combined with serious risks and time-consuming actions.


Was more of an unnecessary joke. In that game people accused me of colluding with Diamondeye, even as pressure was ramped up on both of us. They thought DE was guilty and my attempts to give him more time were evidence of a connection. The idea was so absurd that it needed to be poked fun at, especially seeing as neither of us were guilty.

Yup - good game, bad luck. Especially Sprig managed to fool everyone :3

[Sigurd]

There. Give me one good reason to spare Sigurd over Secura now.

How about we lynch someone who actually killed someone this night? Many of you seem to imply that no mafia killed last night. How can you be sure? Three people died, one was his own fault. But Chaotix and Seamus died by the hands of scum.

[johnhughthom]

How about we lynch someone who actually killed someone this night? Many of you seem to imply that no mafia killed last night. How can you be sure? Three people died, one was his own fault. But Chaotix and Seamus died my the hands of scum.

Freudian slip there?

[Sigurd]

Freudian slip there?
corrected...

[Beskar]

How about we lynch someone who actually killed someone this night? Many of you seem to imply that no mafia killed last night. How can you be sure? Three people died, one was his own fault. But Chaotix and Seamus died by my hands of scum.

:laugh4: :laugh4: We have a confession by Sigurd.

[Jolt]

corrected...

FoS: Sigurd

you see, the "m" and "b" letters are separated by one key. That means it would be hard to mistake that...

[Sigurd]

FoS: Sigurd

you see, the "m" and "b" letters are separated by one key. That means it would be hard to mistake that...
Yes... it would seem so. But you forget that I am not a native english speaker. "by" in Norwegian translates to "med" in this case. Sometimes the languages get mixed up when typing fast. I try to look over my post at least once before posting, but sometimes things slips by.

And I am seeing where this is heading.... Let's just say that I have on good authority that Sasaki killed Chaotix last night. Now let's see if he will deny it or somehow defend it.
He will probably claim that I am lying, which I am not. Or defend his solo vigilantism. If he claims he didn't kill Chaotix - he is scum, and all who comes to his rescue is scum.
Why Chaotix, Sasaki?

[Renata]

Face it, people are voting for lurkers because they can't tell whether they're Mafia or not and so the way they do it is by trying to take away the playstyle totally.

Well yes, pretty much. The problem with voting for lurkers *for lurking* is that it's kinda lame if you do it very often. Townies don't and shouldn't want mafia to be able to make votes on lurkers all the time without getting called on it, because it's too easy.

In contrast, the good thing about voting lurkers for lurking is just what you said -- the commonality of all styles of lurkers is that they don't give you much in the way of information to work with, so you're never going to get a very good feel for them by other means. Death reveals all, eventually.

Put those two things together and the lurker is the ideal species to be hunted by the solo vig. Maximize information gain, minimize information loss. Now this game in particular, we (mostly?) don't have solo vigs; we have groups. That makes it a little more complicated. Maybe shifts it back toward wanting a reason other than just "s/he's lurking".

[Centurion1]

FoS: TheFlax , lurking Mafia trying to save scum partner.

FOS: Beskar for being so defensive with secura and vice versa


Centurion is guilty of this too, and possibly guilty as well.

Im not guilty of anything. Y’all are basing assumptions god knows what. We have no legitimate evidence, no results……. I don’t know where your getting this “evidence” that makes sigurd a better lynch candidate because hes quiet? Lurkers ftw!


It's not really in his nature; I have to laugh when I see how he acts on these forums because he's an entirely different character outside of the Org.

I see it differently; he might be lying, but I believe I'd be pretty good at picking up if he was. After ten years, you sorta learn to read between the lines of what someone says. I apologise if my attitude towards his innocence irked you.

I don’t know things between me and cdf have been different since I lied to him in Beskar’s game. :wink: and more to the point i cant tell if people are lying cyber wise or not. Perfect example, Split and Chaotix, Split tricks chaotix all the time. :wink:

Fos: Seon. Why is it any different when you vote for secura. Because you voted because other people voted for sigurd its suspicious????????

[Myrddraal]

I apologise if my attitude towards his innocence irked you.
It doesn't irk me. When I say I'm not impressed, I mean that I find it hard to believe that you would be able to tell (within less than a day of the game starting) whether he was mafia or not. So though you may be convinced that 'you would know', that does not convince me at all, and adds no weight to your argument imo. But it doesn't irk me, no worries.


I think this is impossible because some could just forget to send their orders but for the others they will be automatically guilty.

Am I the only one that finds this post has the feel of a rapid fire worried excuse than an open minded assesment of the idea? I'm getting a general feeling of scumminess fro Ibn-Khaldun. Call it a hunch if you will.

Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

I also find it interesting that ATPG backed Ibn-Khaldun later in the thread. Though his post was more detailed, I also get the same closed-minded vibe from him. This is particularly unusual when in the past he has been an advocate of such mass town plans. Why the change of heart Pizza?

I also agree that Subotan's slip about Sasaki's proven innocence was strange, however I don't think it's scummy. Looks like Subotan is convinced that Sasaki is innocent and the use of an absolute was just a slip of the tongue. I however am not so easily convinced. Remember ...


I was just wording it in an Aes Sedai kind of way
This post bears my seal of appproval.

On to the most interesting recent event: The Flax has clearly read the thread, but has nothing more to say than 'Right back at ya.' as a reason to vote? Definately the single most scummy individual post.
FOS: The Flax

[Renata]

I think seeing how people react under pressure can be useful. One vote at this point isn't any real pressure. I need to get baseline data on those I haven't played with before. Therefore, to apply more pressure to a single person, I'm going to unvote: atheotes, vote:pevergreen

Is there enough time left in the day to let this vote have any purpose whatsoever?

[Renata]

Yes... it would seem so. But you forget that I am not a native english speaker. "by" in Norwegian translates to "med" in this case. Sometimes the languages get mixed up when typing fast. I try to look over my post at least once before posting, but sometimes things slips by.

And I am seeing where this is heading.... Let's just say that I have on good authority that Sasaki killed Chaotix last night. Now let's see if he will deny it or somehow defend it.
He will probably claim that I am lying, which I am not. Or defend his solo vigilantism. If he claims he didn't kill Chaotix - he is scum, and all who comes to his rescue is scum.
Why Chaotix, Sasaki?

I need the popcorn smily, stat.

[Myrddraal]

Given that time is low, and I think both current lynch candidates aren't strong lynches. I'd like to encourage all lurkers to bandwagon The Flax:

Unvote: Ibn-Khaldun
Vote: The Flax

[Sigurd]

Sasaki killed Chaotix!!!
He is the one who should be lynched this round.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

I also find it interesting that ATPG backed Ibn-Khaldun later in the thread. Though his post was more detailed, I also get the same closed-minded vibe from him. This is particularly unusual when in the past he has been an advocate of such mass town plans. Why the change of heart Pizza?

Hmm.... where/when did I back Ibn?

Change of heart- Change of game, and the risks involved. I've explained in... well... a good third of my posts.... why the strategies I've used in the past will be absolutely terrible here. Seeing as I've never had this position before, I'm either sticking my nose right in the "unusual behavior pie", fresh from the oven, where it will get quite burnt, or I have legitimate concerns about the terrible consequences of town networking in this game.

[Centurion1]

Is there enough time left in the day to let this vote have any purpose whatsoever?

wow i think thats just a dur comment. What he said was totally conflicting. someone went digging, :tongue:

[Secura]

Sasaki killed Chaotix!!!
He is the one who should be lynched this round.

You have that on good authority? O_O

[Sigurd]

Hmmm...
So, Sasaki stopped by the gameroom after I made my accusations, but decided to not comment. I guess he counts on you lot not to do anything.
Well I have posted the accusation and you are lynching a pro-town. Let him answer next round.

[johnhughthom]

Hmmm...
So, Sasaki stopped by the gameroom after I made my accusations, but decided to not comment. I guess he counts on you lot not to do something before he denies it. Well I have posted the accusation and you are lynching a pro-town.

Ooooh, unfair use of moderator powers....



Err, Sasaki does use invisible mode, right?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Hmmm...
So, Sasaki stopped by the gameroom after I made my accusations, but decided to not comment. I guess he counts on you lot not to do something before he denies it. Well I have posted the accusation and you are lynching a pro-town.

You think Secura is pro-town?

I was wondering who leaked that info to you. Renata is the only person I can think of :stare: although she undoubtedly told others for some reason.

We had a group of 4 to kill Chaotix, but CDF's inbox was full so I killed him myself.

[Sigurd]

Err, Sasaki does use invisible mode, right?
Eh, He does?... too bad it makes no difference to a moderator. :beam:

[Centurion1]

sasaki why so silent now?

[Secura]

You think Secura is pro-town?

He was referring to himself, I believe.

[Sigurd]

We had a group of 4 to kill Chaotix, but CDF's inbox was full so I killed him myself.
Never mind who leaked to whom... you don't deny it? Of only two possible mafia hits last night - you were one of them. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

[Centurion1]

how did you do it yourself?

and with only three people.

This is all true actually. i want to hear his reason though.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sigurd: 7 (Psychonaut, Beskie, TopCat, Renata, Subotan, Diamond,Seon)
Secura: 7(Yaro, khaan, White_eyes, Cent, RR,TheFlax,Sasaki)
TheFlax: 1 (Myrddraal)
Naughty Beskie: 1 (GH)
Thermal : 1 (AA)
pevergreen: 1 (Auto)
Csargo: 1 (TM)
Atpg: 1 (Methos)
RR: 1 (I-K)
Sasaki: 1 (Sigurd)
pever: 1 (Jolt)
Diamondeye: 1 (WH)

Who the heck is TopCat?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Never mind who leaked to whom... you don't deny it? Of only two possible mafia hits last night - you were one of them. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

I'm a warrior obviously. And looking for a warrior vig partner as well, hopefully that'll be a fringe benefit of being revealed in the thread for no good reason.

[Centurion1]

sure.

thats uh convenient i guess.

[johnhughthom]

Who the heck is TopCat?

TinCow, when tallying I had TC. Apparently only "close friends get to call him TC".

[Centurion1]

lol did he really complain about that. lol

[Secura]

Who the heck is TopCat?

The indisputable leader of the gang!
He's the boss, he's a pip, he's the championship.
He's the most tip top,
Tin Cow!

[Sigurd]

I'm a warrior obviously. And looking for a warrior vig partner as well, hopefully that'll be a fringe benefit of being revealed in the thread for no good reason.
That is what happens when pushing people who is trying to stay low.

But I don't believe you. Your vigilante partners are not mentioned in the kill write-up.
You could easily be a spy trying to form a vig. party to get an alibi.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Question, before I switch my vote.

Why did you wait until the round was almost over to make this accusation? I can sort of understand (and have used) a strategy of gaining observational data on someone after finding out they are most likely guilty, before I make my accusation. I just find it odd that we've let the round go on this long, and for this much pressure to appear on Sigurd before he revealed it to anyone.

It seems to me there's at least one mafia here or we've got serious problems. I am just trying to figure out which of you to support or condemn.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That is what happens when pushing people who is trying to stay low.

But I don't believe you. Your vigilante partners are not mentioned in the kill write-up.
You could easily be a spy trying to form a vig. party to get an alibi.

They didn't attack Chaotix, I attacked him on my own. In a warrior like manner. Read the roles in the OP.


It seems to me there's at least one mafia here or we've got serious problems. I am just trying to figure out which of you to support or condemn.

No, that's an odd conclusion. I told Renata I was taking a shot at Chaotix on my own. She told at least one other person. Presumably someone told sigurd.

[Sigurd]

Well I thought I was in the lead... and I did try to tell you people by voting Sasaki and tell you he was guilty. And by revealing I am now doomed.

[Splitpersonality]

Who the heck is TopCat?


I've been laughing at that mistake for way too long :laugh4:

[White_eyes:D]

I think Sasaki is guilty Vig-killing....is he guilty of being Mafia?:juggle2:(Sigurd seems to have left that part out:inquisitive:)

[Centurion1]

Question, before I switch my vote.

Why did you wait until the round was almost over to make this accusation? I can sort of understand (and have used) a strategy of gaining observational data on someone after finding out they are most likely guilty, before I make my accusation. I just find it odd that we've let the round go on this long, and for this much pressure to appear on Sigurd before he revealed it to anyone.

It seems to me there's at least one mafia here or we've got serious problems. I am just trying to figure out which of you to support or condemn.

these are good points. but remember multiple factions maybe they are both mafia.

[johnhughthom]

I've been laughing at that mistake for way too long :laugh4:

Mistake? :embarassed:

I know my jokes can be lame, but thats a bit harsh. :sad2:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

these are good points. but remember multiple factions maybe they are both mafia.

Cent is too happy to have people named as mafia. fos:cent

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, that's an odd conclusion. I told Renata I was taking a shot at Chaotix on my own. She told at least one other person. Presumably someone told sigurd.

Okay, that makes sense to me. I assume Renata can corroborate that story.


Well I thought I was in the lead... and I did try to tell you people by voting Sasaki and tell you he was guilty. And by revealing I am now doomed.

Here's the part where I get confused. Doomed? Doomed, you say?

I am sure there's at least a half-dozen townies sitting around with a thumb up their collective buttocks who could defend you. The question is, should we?

You seem to be suggesting that you got this info, not by osmosis from others, but by your own special talents. Is this what you're suggesting? It's too late for a soft claim to be of any use.

I find that I am running into the same problems I've had in several games with those who claim detective under pressure, when they could have told one or two of their accusers that they were a detective, and boom, now they don't get lynched, and very few people are the wiser, as opposed to a thread filled with people.

I also want to reconcile Sasaki's defense with your accusation. Did you get the info via rumor, or did you find out things directly? Is there any truth to Sasaki's claim that you got your info from Renata?

Am I missing something that makes the proper course of action obvious? Because I am not certain how I should proceed. If you can clear things up for me, I'll be able to make a more informed decision.

[Splitpersonality]

Mistake? :embarassed:

I know my jokes can be lame, but thats a bit harsh. :sad2:

I thought you called him TopCat as a mistake, I'm sorry.

It's still a silly thing, either way :smile:, I love that show.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Secura is the obvious lynch at this point. 873 and 881 are her response to this kerfluffle.

Cent is super scummy as well. He is just so pleased with this whole business, in a "mafia sitting back and smirking" kind of way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Secura

Between the two lead candidates. And to be honest I'm not thrilled about either one, nor am I convinced on Sasaki. (Sure, let's put that on my head as well. I can't wait to see when that gets used against me...)

[Secura]

Secura is the obvious lynch at this point. 873 and 881 are her response to this kerfluffle.

I don't see any other response but to take it lightly, I think it's obvious I'm going to get lynched.

[Beefy187]

Vote: Sigurd

If I havn't yet. To tie the vote.
I think both candidates aren't that great. We need more discussions.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote: Sigurd

If I havn't yet. To tie the vote.
I think both candidates aren't that great. We need more discussions.

You start. Why don't you think either candidate is great?

[White_eyes:D]

Beefy is acting scummy:inquisitive:(I never usually think that:laugh4:)

[pevergreen]

Vote: Sigurd

You stay away from my scum buddy.

[naut]

There are several types of lurking.

1) Absence from thread, either with excuses or without. Just showing up to avoid WoG. (atheotes style :p)
2) Post a lot, but say very little of substance, don't do much (ichigo in swords of moon).
3) Show up once a round with a decent size post. Make a reasonable vote and back it up. Disappear (sigurd style).
4) Show up once a round to vote, randomly or with minor reasoning (khaan style)
5) Time zone differences of 16-18 hours resulting in all phases playing out while you sleep. (psychonaut style)
Fixed.


If I havn't yet. To tie the vote.
I think both candidates aren't that great. We need more discussions.
So. Hey. Um, I like the closed nature of a statement that wants more discussions. You sir, tweak my gut.

[Csargo]

whoa-oooo-whoaoo on the bandwagon we go.

Vote:Secura

[TinCow]

Lynch Sigurd, vig kill Sasaki tonight. (See, I'm in favor of vig kills!)

[Crazed Rabbit]

There are 13 hours left in this day phase.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lynch Sigurd, vig kill Sasaki tonight. (See, I'm in favor of vig kills!)

But not in favor of due diligence. Neither Sigurd nor I should die. I'm a pro town warrior, he has been sent information that looked incriminating but isn't. Read the chaotix kill write up. Compare to the Seamus kill write up.

[TinCow]

But not in favor of due diligence. Neither Sigurd nor I should die. I'm a pro town warrior, he has been sent information that looked incriminating but isn't. Read the chaotix kill write up. Compare to the Seamus kill write up.

The kill write-ups are meaningless at this point. We have no way of knowing which kills are mafia signatures, which are solo town, and which are serial killers (if any). The facts are you confessed to killing solo. I will thank you for knocking off a lurker, and then politely ask that you die. :bow:

[Scienter]

Holy :daisy: this thread generated a ton of pages since I left work. :inquisitive: Vote: Sigurd I don't know what to think about Secura right now, I can't sort out who she knows IRL vs. on the boards.

[Csargo]

The whole case against Sigurd was that he was lurking. He's made multiple posts during the last few hours, so it's kind of weird that people are still voting for him. Secura is a better option at this point. Everyone should be voting for her.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The kill write-ups are meaningless at this point. We have no way of knowing which kills are mafia signatures, which are solo town, and which are serial killers (if any). The facts are you confessed to killing solo. I will thank you for knocking off a lurker, and then politely ask that you die. :bow:

That is foolish. I had a vig group set to kill chaotix, when it didn't work out I told them I would do a solo kill. It says in the OP that warriors can do a solo kill. In the "meaningless" writeup I fight skillfully with a sword and Seamus is attacked by a cloak wearing, foul smelling person who stabs him viciously. I will continue vigging mafia suspects, you instead propose to send townies to either: a) fail and die, or b) kill a pro town role. With more writeups we will gain more knowledge about what they mean.


Spies; the mafia. They can kill together

Why are proposing Sigurd be lynched?

You are almost as bloodthirsty as Cent. Surely you should have learned from your "better safe than sorry" strategy in netherworld, hmm?

This late run of votes on Sigurd is appallingly bad.

[Csargo]

You quoted CR instead of whoever you were going to quote.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That's who I meant to quote. I didn't mean it to look like the 2nd half of my post was in reply to that quote though. I was just pointing out that the spies kill together, a smelly cloaked crazy dude attacked seamus, and a warrior like dude attacked chaotix. Not hard to figure out.

[Beefy187]

You start. Why don't you think either candidate is great?

I see a sign "scape goat" written all over their faces.
I think I can anyway...


Beefy is acting scummy:inquisitive:(I never usually think that:laugh4:)

I suck at playing townie as a townie.
I feel as if I have to contribute to discussions.
While when I'm mafia, I can just sit around and provide false leads and act innocent.
Its also been a while since I last got a town role.

Heres a blatant WIFOM. I'm sure Civ Fanatic players had enough of those from me.

[Csargo]

I see, it was all a reply to TC. The quote messed me up for a bit there. :stupido:

[johnhughthom]

Heres a blatant WIFOM. I'm sure Civ Fanatic players had enough of those from me.

Is that LoTR game still going?

[Csargo]

I see a sign "scape goat" written all over their faces.
I think I can anyway...

What makes you say that?

[Beefy187]

So. Hey. Um, I like the closed nature of a statement that wants more discussions. You sir, tweak my gut.

I'm a slow starter. I don't like being in the spot light this early in the game.

[Beefy187]

Is that LoTR game still going?

Yes.. Yes it is. And I (think) i'm in complete control of the game.


What makes you say that?

If my skim reading is correct, Secura is accused because of Beskar relationship and Sigurd is accused for organizing a random vigilante hit.
After few thoughts, Beskars behavior looks quite townie and I just thought mafia wouldn't be so brave enough to organize a vigilante hit and get identified doing it.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I think I am going to be the first to ask what everyone is thinking.....

So what is the name of the vig group that tried to kill CDF? I want to see if their name rivals the "Four Horsemen" in awesomeness. Seriously, it's been bugging me for hours now.

Did they give you a name CR?

[Csargo]

If my skim reading is correct, Secura is accused because of Beskar relationship and Sigurd is accused for organizing a random vigilante hit. After few thoughts, Beskars behavior looks quite townie and I just thought mafia wouldn't be so brave enough to organize a vigilante hit and get identified doing it.

Sigurd was accused of lurking iirc. Since he is no longer lurking you should switch your vote to Secura.

[Yaropolk]

Secura is accused because of Beskar relationship (this started out as a Beskie BW)

Sigurd was accused of being a lurker. Under pressure he came out and spilled the beans on Sasaki who performed a solo hit on Chaotix. I think that the pressure votes were sucessful in drawing out info, but the reason behind them is gone. At this point I don't see why we would want to lynch Sigurd. If he was mafia then either he just sold out his mafia partner, or he came to know info on a townie role from a leak and that townie group is done for anyway. This early in the game I hope it's the former.

Either way both Sasaki and Sigurd are now in the open and can be investigated and lynched if needed. At least the town knows who they are. Secura otoh remains an unknown quantity who we know nothing about. I think we should get rid of her.

[White_eyes:D]

I think I am going to be the first to ask what everyone is thinking.....

So what is the name of the vig group that tried to kill CDF? I want to see if their name rivals the "Four Horsemen" in awesomeness. Seriously, it's been bugging me for hours now.

Did they give you a name CR?They suck.....can't even get their orders in:bounce:

[Csargo]

Secura is accused because of Beskar relationship (this started out as a Beskie BW)

Sigurd was accused of being a lurker. Under pressure he came out and spilled the beans on Sasaki who performed a solo hit on Chaotix. I think that the pressure votes were sucessful in drawing out info, but the reason behind them is gone. At this point I don't see why we would want to lynch Sigurd. If he was mafia then either he just sold out his mafia partner, or he came to know info on a townie role from a leak and that townie group is done for anyway. This early in the game I hope it's the former.

Either way both Sasaki and Sigurd are now in the open and can be investigated and lynched if needed. At least the town knows who they are. Secura otoh remains an unknown quantity who we know nothing about. I think we should get rid of her.

This man speaks the truth. I know from experience.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think I am going to be the first to ask what everyone is thinking.....

So what is the name of the vig group that tried to kill CDF? I want to see if their name rivals the "Four Horsemen" in awesomeness. Seriously, it's been bugging me for hours now.


My group was going to come up with a name. But then it ended up just being me. I dubbed myself "one-trick pony".

[a completely inoffensive name]

They suck.....can't even get their orders in:bounce:

The Four Horsemen messed up a lot in the beginning as well. It's a long game dude.

[Beefy187]

Secura is accused because of Beskar relationship (this started out as a Beskie BW)

Sigurd was accused of being a lurker. Under pressure he came out and spilled the beans on Sasaki who performed a solo hit on Chaotix. I think that the pressure votes were sucessful in drawing out info, but the reason behind them is gone. At this point I don't see why we would want to lynch Sigurd. If he was mafia then either he just sold out his mafia partner, or he came to know info on a townie role from a leak and that townie group is done for anyway. This early in the game I hope it's the former.

Either way both Sasaki and Sigurd are now in the open and can be investigated and lynched if needed. At least the town knows who they are. Secura otoh remains an unknown quantity who we know nothing about. I think we should get rid of her.

Hmm. Only got a half right.
Thanks for that :bow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Beefy needs to die.

[Beefy187]

But do I have to die now?
Can I die later on?
Can I not die at all?
If I do have to die now...
Can I die after lunch?

[Csargo]

Beefy needs to die.


I somewhat agree with you.

[Captain Blackadder]

FOS everyoone voting for sigurd after he has returned.

Personally I say that any lurk vote should be taken of when someone returns unless something really suspicious happens like with Cronos Impera coming back in council of villans only hours after a lurk vote was given.

Vote Secura

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote: autolycus

I don't trust anyone with less then 100 posts. Except Subotan's and AP's alts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am confused and disoriented by Csargo having a strong opinion on anything so early on in the game...

[Csargo]

I am confused and disoriented by Csargo having a strong opinion on anything so early on in the game...

Good, hopefully that will keep you on your toes.

[Beefy187]

Speak up mafias.
Yes I mean you.

[Secura]

Alright, this charade has gone on long enough; you can remove your votes from Sigurd and place them on me, or simply unvote, or whatever you see fit.

I should start by saying that I think the reasoning behind the voting is alot weaker than I expected it to be; I had hoped that I would be able to go out with a bit more than "QQ she saved her friend!", but what the hey, it can't always be perfect.

Beskar informed me that he is a simple townie role, and I told him what I was able to do at night; form a four-man group for protection or killing purposes. This was only a half-truth; he believed me to be a soldier, when I am actually the Turkish Spymaster; I knew he was innocent and maintained as such because I know he's not one of my spies. I might have recruited him, but his little trap that he utilised drew too much attention and I had to cancel that plan.

Speaking of myself and my spies, we discovered what appeared to be a minor loophole in the game setup; if I die, my two original spies inherit both of my night abilities. We anticipated that I might be the target of a vigilante attack, but it would have taken a sizeable group to actually kill me, so we decided to press for a lynch instead; much easier to get lynched than to get really unlucky on a die roll at night.

Which leads us to this Day Phase, whereby you were all debating so heavily over whether myself or Sigurd were guilty; it was a win-win situation, because either a pro-town role was going to die or my underlings were going to get stronger. Alas, I cannot really advocate you guys killing Sigurd when I know he's innocent and can still be of use, so I was never really going to vote for him.

Anyway, you are left with multiple spies who are able to kill, investigate or recruit without having to pair up and assist one another. Factor in those that we have already recruited... well, let's just say that we're in a better position with me dead than alive, so I made the logical sacrifice for the rest of my team.

That notion held by Kagemusha, that the mafia is going to be rapidly expanding... bear it in mind. The town becomes easier to convert as the game progresses. Thanks alot. :P

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Alright, this charade has gone on long enough; you can remove your votes from Sigurd and place them on me, or simply unvote, or whatever you see fit.

I should start by saying that I think the reasoning behind the voting is alot weaker than I expected it to be; I had hoped that I would be able to go out with a bit more than "QQ she saved her friend!", but what the hey, it can't always be perfect.

Beskar informed me that he is a simple townie role, and I told him what I was able to do at night; form a four-man group for protection or killing purposes. This was only a half-truth; he believed me to be a soldier, when I am actually the Turkish Spymaster; I knew he was innocent and maintained as such because I know he's not one of my spies. I might have recruited him, but his little trap that he utilised drew too much attention and I had to cancel that plan.

Speaking of myself and my spies, we discovered what appeared to be a minor loophole in the game setup; if I die, my two original spies inherit both of my night abilities. We anticipated that I might be the target of a vigilante attack, but it would have taken a sizeable group to actually kill me, so we decided to press for a lynch instead; much easier to get lynched than to get really unlucky on a die roll at night.

Which leads us to this Day Phase, whereby you were all debating so heavily over whether myself or Sigurd were guilty; it was a win-win situation, because either a pro-town role was going to die or my underlings were going to get stronger. Alas, I cannot really advocate you guys killing Sigurd when I know he's innocent and can still be of use, so I was never really going to vote for him.

Anyway, you are left with multiple spies who are able to kill, investigate or recruit without having to pair up and assist one another. Factor in those that we have already recruited... well, let's just say that we're in a better position with me dead than alive, so I made the logical sacrifice for the rest of my team.

That notion held by Kagemusha, that the mafia is going to be rapidly expanding... bear it in mind. The town becomes easier to convert as the game progresses. Thanks alot. :P

Wacky.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That means Reenk is guilty then.

[Csargo]

Alright, this charade has gone on long enough; you can remove your votes from Sigurd and place them on me, or simply unvote, or whatever you see fit.

I should start by saying that I think the reasoning behind the voting is alot weaker than I expected it to be; I had hoped that I would be able to go out with a bit more than "QQ she saved her friend!", but what the hey, it can't always be perfect.

Beskar informed me that he is a simple townie role, and I told him what I was able to do at night; form a four-man group for protection or killing purposes. This was only a half-truth; he believed me to be a soldier, when I am actually the Turkish Spymaster; I knew he was innocent and maintained as such because I know he's not one of my spies. I might have recruited him, but his little trap that he utilised drew too much attention and I had to cancel that plan.

Speaking of myself and my spies, we discovered what appeared to be a minor loophole in the game setup; if I die, my two original spies inherit both of my night abilities. We anticipated that I might be the target of a vigilante attack, but it would have taken a sizeable group to actually kill me, so we decided to press for a lynch instead; much easier to get lynched than to get really unlucky on a die roll at night.

Which leads us to this Day Phase, whereby you were all debating so heavily over whether myself or Sigurd were guilty; it was a win-win situation, because either a pro-town role was going to die or my underlings were going to get stronger. Alas, I cannot really advocate you guys killing Sigurd when I know he's innocent and can still be of use, so I was never really going to vote for him.

Anyway, you are left with multiple spies who are able to kill, investigate or recruit without having to pair up and assist one another. Factor in those that we have already recruited... well, let's just say that we're in a better position with me dead than alive, so I made the logical sacrifice for the rest of my team.

That notion held by Kagemusha, that the mafia is going to be rapidly expanding... bear it in mind. The town becomes easier to convert as the game progresses. Thanks alot. :P

I read your post and I have to say, I'm unimpressed.

[Secura]

I read your post and I have to say, I'm unimpressed.

Good! :D

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I read your post and I have to say, I'm unimpressed.

But there's so much wifom :p

It subtley implicates so many people. I like it.

[Secura]

I think there should be a BIFOM; Boast In Front Of Me.

Kinda like an Obi-Wan moment... if you strike me down and all that.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Just for reference:


The last 10 visitor(s) to this page were:

1. Csargo+
2. drone
3. Fragony
4. Hax
5. Megas Methuselah
6. Peasant Phill
7. Prince Cobra
8. Sasaki Kojiro*
9. Scienter
10. Subotan


Hmm Scienter.

[Secura]

Oooh, that Prince Cobra looks mighty suspicious.

Never seen that name before! :P

[White_eyes:D]

I think Secura just "counted her chickens, before they hatched":laugh4:

[Csargo]

But there's so much wifom :p

It subtley implicates so many people. I like it.

So much and yet so little


Just for reference:


The last 10 visitor(s) to this page were:

1. Csargo+
2. drone
3. Fragony
4. Hax
5. Megas Methuselah
6. Peasant Phill
7. Prince Cobra
8. Sasaki Kojiro*
9. Scienter
10. Subotan

Hmm Scienter.

I'm number 1! I'm number 1! I'm number 1!

[Secura]

Oooh, that Prince Cobra looks mighty suspicious.

Never seen that name before! :P

I jest, it's nice that other people are checking the game; it's good for the reputation of the Gameroom, hopefully lure some more Orgahs in here.


I think Secura just "counted her chickens, before they hatched"

You keep thinking that, treacle. ^.~

[johnhughthom]

Me confused. It's late and I can't sleep, am I hallucinating?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

She counted her treacle before it was...baked? Broiled?

[Secura]

Me confused. It's late and I can't sleep, am I hallucinating?

Nope.

[pevergreen]

Yup. Seems odd.

I think CR would patch that.

[Secura]

Well, we interpreted it as such, it might have been an intentional thing. It only affects my original cohorts; recruits don't get those benefits.

There's basically two of me once I'm lynched, which is obviously a nightmare because I can tell you all want me to eff off. :P

[Reenk Roink]

Alright, this charade has gone on long enough; you can remove your votes from Sigurd and place them on me, or simply unvote, or whatever you see fit.

I should start by saying that I think the reasoning behind the voting is alot weaker than I expected it to be; I had hoped that I would be able to go out with a bit more than "QQ she saved her friend!", but what the hey, it can't always be perfect.

Beskar informed me that he is a simple townie role, and I told him what I was able to do at night; form a four-man group for protection or killing purposes. This was only a half-truth; he believed me to be a soldier, when I am actually the Turkish Spymaster; I knew he was innocent and maintained as such because I know he's not one of my spies. I might have recruited him, but his little trap that he utilised drew too much attention and I had to cancel that plan.

Speaking of myself and my spies, we discovered what appeared to be a minor loophole in the game setup; if I die, my two original spies inherit both of my night abilities. We anticipated that I might be the target of a vigilante attack, but it would have taken a sizeable group to actually kill me, so we decided to press for a lynch instead; much easier to get lynched than to get really unlucky on a die roll at night.

Which leads us to this Day Phase, whereby you were all debating so heavily over whether myself or Sigurd were guilty; it was a win-win situation, because either a pro-town role was going to die or my underlings were going to get stronger. Alas, I cannot really advocate you guys killing Sigurd when I know he's innocent and can still be of use, so I was never really going to vote for him.

Anyway, you are left with multiple spies who are able to kill, investigate or recruit without having to pair up and assist one another. Factor in those that we have already recruited... well, let's just say that we're in a better position with me dead than alive, so I made the logical sacrifice for the rest of my team.

That notion held by Kagemusha, that the mafia is going to be rapidly expanding... bear it in mind. The town becomes easier to convert as the game progresses. Thanks alot. :P

2ez :2thumbsup:


That means Reenk is guilty then.

"You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs"

Yeah I can. :smug:

[Csargo]

I value your lies. Really I do. I swear.

[Secura]

2ez :2thumbsup:

Indeed, thank you.


I value your lies. Really I do. I swear.

Cool beans, Csar-kun.

[Csargo]

"You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs"

Yeah I can. :smug:

I've seen the videos. He's telling the truth.

[pevergreen]

2ez :2thumbsup:



"You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs"

Yeah I can. :smug:

You've hurt me for the last time.

Its over.

[Reenk Roink]

You've hurt me for the last time.

Its over.

:sad:

You'd break us up? US (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS9BwliAJus#t=2m36s)?

[White_eyes:D]

pever+reenk breaking up? a sad day:no:

[pevergreen]

:sad:

You'd break us up? US (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS9BwliAJus#t=2m36s)?

You havent responded to any of my overtures recently.

The weird thing when loading that video, is that I actually know (the names) Lemieux and Gretzky.

Maybe because the best sports game I have is NHL Blitz 200...2 i think it is.

Completely off-topic in spolier below. Don't bother reading at all tbh.
I've been hurt Reenk. I can't be convinced by a video, or a verse from a song anymore. (seriously, if you'd been dumped would you send the person a little message and this: With every single breath I take
my heart beats just for you,
your smile, it keeps me company
in all I think and do.

With every eager step I take
I want you by my side,
I feel that your my future
with I hope I cannot hide.

With each and every teardrop
that is shed with happiness,
I know your love is all I need and hope that they got back with you?

Its gunna take more than one video to rekindle the love RR.

-pever

[Reenk Roink]

Ok, I will kill myself this upcoming night to prove myself. :bow: I've had a good run in this game anyway.

[Csargo]

It should be both of you. If you want to go the suicide love-pact route.

[pevergreen]

Ok, I will kill myself this upcoming night to prove myself. :bow: I've had a good run in this game anyway.

I don't want that!

If you possess the ability to kill, get the man who was meant to protect me in my first mafia game.

[Beefy187]

Next years HoF should totally have "the best buddies" award.
pever x Reenk couple should be nominated. I think they are so cute.

[pevergreen]

Cute?

:gah:

[Kagemusha]

Alright, this charade has gone on long enough; you can remove your votes from Sigurd and place them on me, or simply unvote, or whatever you see fit.

I should start by saying that I think the reasoning behind the voting is alot weaker than I expected it to be; I had hoped that I would be able to go out with a bit more than "QQ she saved her friend!", but what the hey, it can't always be perfect.

Beskar informed me that he is a simple townie role, and I told him what I was able to do at night; form a four-man group for protection or killing purposes. This was only a half-truth; he believed me to be a soldier, when I am actually the Turkish Spymaster; I knew he was innocent and maintained as such because I know he's not one of my spies. I might have recruited him, but his little trap that he utilised drew too much attention and I had to cancel that plan.

Speaking of myself and my spies, we discovered what appeared to be a minor loophole in the game setup; if I die, my two original spies inherit both of my night abilities. We anticipated that I might be the target of a vigilante attack, but it would have taken a sizeable group to actually kill me, so we decided to press for a lynch instead; much easier to get lynched than to get really unlucky on a die roll at night.

Which leads us to this Day Phase, whereby you were all debating so heavily over whether myself or Sigurd were guilty; it was a win-win situation, because either a pro-town role was going to die or my underlings were going to get stronger. Alas, I cannot really advocate you guys killing Sigurd when I know he's innocent and can still be of use, so I was never really going to vote for him.

Anyway, you are left with multiple spies who are able to kill, investigate or recruit without having to pair up and assist one another. Factor in those that we have already recruited... well, let's just say that we're in a better position with me dead than alive, so I made the logical sacrifice for the rest of my team.

That notion held by Kagemusha, that the mafia is going to be rapidly expanding... bear it in mind. The town becomes easier to convert as the game progresses. Thanks alot. :P

Ok. It seems the good ole curse is somewhat functional.You mafia should know better then to lynch poor old Kage.:laugh4: This puts Beskar in certain light also. As if he can be recruited by mafia it is quite the fact he has been done so by Secura. Also the last couple pages show that there are very much "holy cows" in the gameroom. We have Sasaki getting caught on a successful single attack during the night. My thoughts : instant vig killing of Sasaki. In couple days then we will know more.

So in my book Secura should hang, while naughty Beskie and Sasaki should taste the blade.

[Diamondeye]

Sasaki killed Chaotix!!!
He is the one who should be lynched this round.

I know this is irrelevant after Secura's "reveal" but this actually makes my opinion of Sasaki slightly better. Chaotix was behaving rather scummy.


You think Secura is pro-town?

I was wondering who leaked that info to you. Renata is the only person I can think of :stare: although she undoubtedly told others for some reason.

We had a group of 4 to kill Chaotix, but CDF's inbox was full so I killed him myself.

As I said; good job. Also; I think it's now clear that Secura is mafia (although her fluff text is awesome WIFOM so anyone she implies might or might not be); unvote: Sigurd, vote: Secura.


I think Sasaki is guilty Vig-killing....is he guilty of being Mafia?:juggle2:(Sigurd seems to have left that part out:inquisitive:)

I'm actually not hot on that anymore; Sasaki seems to be in the clear - for now. All authority should be questioned.


Secura is the obvious lynch at this point. 873 and 881 are her response to this kerfluffle.

Cent is super scummy as well. He is just so pleased with this whole business, in a "mafia sitting back and smirking" kind of way.

I agree. Let me change my FoS to a HoS: Cent


Yes.. Yes it is. And I (think) i'm in complete control of the game.

That's brilliant ;)


This man speaks the truth. I know from experience.

How come you suddenly leaped into activity? threat of lurkerkillings mounting up?
Anyway, while your post do seem a bit absolutist, it's better than lurking. But I'm keeping an eye on you (like I'm not doing that to the rest of the people in the game :P )

[Kagemusha]

I know this is irrelevant after Secura's "reveal" but this actually makes my opinion of Sasaki slightly better. Chaotix was behaving rather scummy.

How does successfully killing someone alone make Sasaki look innocent? Its rather the opposite. Would he be a pro town role he would have instantly revealed himself and from there could have been protected by the town. By not doing so he is essentially making himself look guilty as hell and should be dispatched as soon as possible by vig kill. For you to try and protect him puts you to very odd light also.

[Scienter]

Just for reference:



Hmm Scienter.

:inquisitive: I was trying to figure out if Secura was another woman. :nice:

[TinCow]

Interesting situation. If she's lying, it's obviously to protect Sigurd, so Sigurd should be lynched. If she's telling the truth, the mafia will get stronger when she's dead. I say lynch Sigurd and test Secura's claim to be difficult to kill with a vig hit. If she's still alive tomorrow, lynch her then.

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well. :yes:

[Kagemusha]

Interesting situation. If she's lying, it's obviously to protect Sigurd, so Sigurd should be lynched. If she's telling the truth, the mafia will get stronger when she's dead. I say lynch Sigurd and test Secura's claim to be difficult to kill with a vig hit. If she's still alive tomorrow, lynch her then.

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well. :yes:

I would say its more like that she is trying to buy herself time with all that nonsense. Clearly she is not the leader of the spies, but she is trying to protect who ever is by claiming that. I would look carefully into Beskar and Aheotes as well. It could be that we witnessed the first round ambitious mafia play going terribly wrong, by the stunt they pulled off at the start.

[TinCow]

I would say its more like that she is trying to buy herself time with all that nonsense. Clearly she is not the leader of the spies, but she is trying to protect who ever is by claiming that.

In which case Sigurd should still be the choice, as he is the only person who benefitted from her post.

[Kagemusha]

In which case Sigurd should still be the choice, as he is the only person who benefitted from her post.

Could be. dispatching Sigurd next night wouldnt be half as bad move in my opinion. About Secura id stick the votes on her, because in the past when such vote wagons have been turned. Many times things have gone terribly wrong.

[atheotes]

Vote: Secura

why did Sigurd sit on the info till he was getting a runaway lead in votes? I am not sure why Sigurd is being considered pro-town...did i miss something?
I am not convinced Sasaki is protown... not sure if he should be killed right away etiher... and Renata has not corroborated his story yet... it is important because it could tell us about the source of Sigurd's information...
May be Sasaki should be tied down in protection duty for one night and we can see a mafia kill writeup. Actually the more i think about it, the more i feel that vig killing him is probably our best option unless we have some solid reasoning..Gah! i am confused...

[Diamondeye]

How does successfully killing someone alone make Sasaki look innocent? Its rather the opposite. Would he be a pro town role he would have instantly revealed himself and from there could have been protected by the town. By not doing so he is essentially making himself look guilty as hell and should be dispatched as soon as possible by vig kill. For you to try and protect him puts you to very odd light also.

I never said it made him look innocent. I said it raised my opinion of him. I agree that he's still very suspectible (hence why I kept my expression to show my appreciation for his actions, not himself, and even then only a little) and should probably be investigated or attacked. But remember, from his own claim, he's a Warrior (and that seems to work well with the solo kill). If he is pro-town we're commiting a serious mistake in killing him.

Oh and it'd obviously take some skilled killers to dispatch him as well, so we should probably lynch him if anything.

[Subotan]

Sigurd is being considered pro-town because he was lurking terribly, and now he isn't. Which is obviously akin to a cop investigation.
I wouldn't be surprised if Secura has some nasty surprise in for the person who votes for her last, given her eagerness to swing. I'm also convinved by Tincow (lol), that as Sigurd is the one who has benefitted most from Secura's statement, that there is certainly something going on. Beskar also benefits, but he's less likely to be lynched at this moment in time.

[Sigurd]

I am not sure what the tally is... I am sorry I have to do this, Secura.
unvote, vote: Secura

[Kagemusha]

I am not sure what the tally is... I am sorry I have to do this, Secura.
unvote, vote: Secura

Why are you sorry to Secura who has confessed being mafia?

[Beskar]

At least the town knows who they are. Secura otoh remains an unknown quantity who we know nothing about. I think we should get rid of her.

A nice way to treat new players.

[Beskar]

As I just read the part Secura was evil.

Unvote ; Vote: Secura

Though, very bad move on your part Secura, you shouldn't have revealed if you was Mafia. On the plus side, you given us a big advantage in revealing.

[autolycus]

Given the confession, unvote, vote: Secura

[Diamondeye]

As I just read the part Secura was evil.

Unvote ; Vote: Secura

Though, very bad move on your part Secura, you shouldn't have revealed if you was Mafia. On the plus side, you given us a big advantage in revealing.

Specify 'us', Beskar; I've been very gullible to you and Secura thus far and I'm not going to continue that way now that Secura's messed up.

Are you admitting to being on Securas team?

[Beskar]

Interesting situation. If she's lying, it's obviously to protect Sigurd, so Sigurd should be lynched. If she's telling the truth, the mafia will get stronger when she's dead. I say lynch Sigurd and test Secura's claim to be difficult to kill with a vig hit. If she's still alive tomorrow, lynch her then.

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well. :yes:


In which case Sigurd should still be the choice, as he is the only person who benefitted from her post.

I suggest we lynch Secura and vig-kill Sigurd.

Afterall, if what Secura says is true, another person not part of their faction will die (and there are all sorts of factions about) so having an extra night kill might be benefitial to the town. Even then, Sigurd might use it against me, while I am a townie, there are a few people who want me dead anyway. So pretty win-win.


Specify 'us', Beskar; I've been very gullible to you and Secura thus far and I'm not going to continue that way now that Secura's messed up.

Are you admitting to being on Securas team?

No, us = the town. I am far too smart than to say anything else anyway and unlike some people, I plan for phases far in advance, not phase-by-phase. So don't pick at imaginary errors. Also, don't stick me with Secura, only contact I had with Secura was a brief chat. I have people who are an alibi to my night actions.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:inquisitive: I was trying to figure out if Secura was another woman. :nice:

I don't believe you. Before you said you couldn't figure out the Secura RL friends thing, are you sure that isn't why you were checking her profile?


Interesting situation. If she's lying, it's obviously to protect Sigurd, so Sigurd should be lynched. If she's telling the truth, the mafia will get stronger when she's dead. I say lynch Sigurd and test Secura's claim to be difficult to kill with a vig hit. If she's still alive tomorrow, lynch her then.

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well. :yes:

...

Instead of lynching mafia, we should lynch someone else based on her wifom, and test her claim about being hard to kill (thus possibly losing a few townies in the process) and in addition we should vig what looks like a pro town role, for no given reason.

[Beskar]

Interesting situation. If she's lying, it's obviously to protect Sigurd, so Sigurd should be lynched. If she's telling the truth, the mafia will get stronger when she's dead. I say lynch Sigurd and test Secura's claim to be difficult to kill with a vig hit. If she's still alive tomorrow, lynch her then.

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well. :yes:



Instead of lynching mafia, we should lynch someone else based on her wifom, and test her claim about being hard to kill (thus possibly losing a few townies in the process) and in addition we should vig what looks like a pro town role, for no given reason.

Secura most likely WIFOM'd to get people to kill Sigurd and not theirself anyway.


In otherwords, TinCow is a plant or he was hook-line-and-sinkered. Which is it, my metallic beefy friend?

[TinCow]

Fair enough, the reasoning on Secura being more difficult to kill than Sigurd is decent.

Unvote; Vote: Secura

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well. :yes:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh, and Sasaki still has to die as well. :yes:

A SHIPOWNER was about to send to sea an emigrant-ship. He knew that she was old, and not over-well built at the first; that she had seen many seas and climes, and often had needed repairs. Doubts had been suggested to him that possibly she was not seaworthy. These doubts preyed upon his mind and made him unhappy; he thought that perhaps he ought to have her thoroughly overhauled and refitted, even though this should put him to great expense. Before the ship sailed, however, he succeeded in overcoming these melancholy reflections. He said to himself that she had gone safely through so many voyages and weathered so many storms that it was idle to suppose she would not come safely home from this trip also. He would put his trust in Providence, which could hardly fail to protect all these unhappy families that were leaving their fatherland to seek for better times elsewhere. He would dismiss from his mind all ungenerous suspicions about the honesty of builders and contractors. In such ways he acquired a sincere and comfortable conviction that his vessel was thoroughly safe and seaworthy; he watched her departure with a light heart, and benevolent wishes for the success of the exiles in their strange new home that was to be; and he got his insurance-money when she went down in mid-ocean and told no tales.
What shall we say of him? Surely this, that he was verily guilty of the death of those men. It is admitted that he did sincerely believe in the soundness of his ship; but the sincerity of his conviction can in no wise help him, because he had no right to believe on such evidence as was before him. He had acquired his belief not by honestly earning it in patient investigation, but by stifling his doubts. And although in the end he may have felt so sure about it that he could not think otherwise, yet inasmuch as he had knowingly and willingly worked himself into that frame of mind, he must be held responsible for it.

[Yaropolk]

Moral of the story: ALWAYS carry flood insurance.

[Beskar]

Moral of the story: ALWAYS carry flood insurance.

Amen.

[Secura]

As if he can be recruited by mafia it is quite the fact he has been done so by Secura.

Wrong.


I would look carefully into Beskar and Aheotes as well.

Totally barking up the wrong tree.


I wouldn't be surprised if Secura has some nasty surprise in for the person who votes for her last, given her eagerness to swing.

:bow:


I am not sure what the tally is... I am sorry I have to do this, Secura.
unvote, vote: Secura

Don't worry about it.


now that Secura's messed up.

Hahahahahahaha, you're a pretty funny one, DE. I haven't done anything of the sort.


Secura most likely WIFOM'd to get people to kill Sigurd and not theirself anyway.

Wrong.

[Renata]

I can corroborate Sasaki's claim about his solo-kill of Chaotix; it all happened as he's stated it.

unvote, vote Secura

[Sigurd]

I have done a tally without the support of any of the previous tallies. It was difficult as it involved many posts and votes lodged in the middle of posts.
It would be easier for a tallier if people put their votes at the bottom of their posts on a new and separate line from their main post (yes that includes you too Sigurd).

Tally:

Secura: 17 (ATPG, atheotes, autolycus, Beskar, Capt B, Cent1, Csargo, Diamondeye, Reenk, Renata, Sasaki, Sigurd, TheFlax, TinCow, White_e:D, Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan)
Sigurd: 6 (Beefy, pever, Psychonaut, Scienter, Seon, Subotan)

ATPG: 1 (Methos)
autolycus: 1 (ACIN)
Beskar: 1 (GH)
Csargo: 1 (Thermal)
Diamondeye: 1 (Winston)
pever: 1 (Jolt)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Ibn)
TheFlax: 1 (Myrddraal)
Thermal Mercury: 1 (Double A)

not voting: 6 (CDF, johnhugh, Joooray, Secura, slashandburn, spL1t)

edit: included Renata's last vote.

[Kagemusha]

Wrong.



Totally barking up the wrong tree.

Like anything you say would have any kind of credibility left.

The remaining mafia can be quite possibly from this crowd voting Secura : ATPG, atheotes, autolycus, Beskar, Capt B, Cent1, Csargo, Diamondeye, Reenk, Renata, Sasaki, Sigurd, TheFlax, TinCow, White_e:D, Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan

Also strangely when killing lurkers was brought up we only have 6 players not voting anymore.

[Renata]

Isn't that nice? I like that.

[Secura]

Like anything you say would have any kind of credibility left

If you wish to waste kills on Beskar and atheotes, by all means, go ahead. I'm merely saying that you should prepare to be disappointed.

Also, there's no need to take that tone with me; manners don't really cost anything now, do they?


The remaining mafia can be quite possibly from this crowd voting Secura : ATPG, atheotes, autolycus, Beskar, Capt B, Cent1, Csargo, Diamondeye, Reenk, Renata, Sasaki, Sigurd, TheFlax, TinCow, White_e:D, Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan

So, what's the plan here? Vig-kill/lynch through them until you hit a mafia? Good idea!

[Kagemusha]

Isn't that nice? I like that.

Thats what creating discussion tends to do activate the game, thus creating better chances for the town. ;)

Secura im sorry if i sounded rude. Its a game afterall, unfortunately sound of voice cant be projected in these posts. I apologise if sounded rude. I was attacking your argument, not you. :)

[Secura]

Secura im sorry if i sounded rude. Its a game afterall, unfortunately sound of voice cant be projected in these posts. I apologise if sounded rude. I was attacking your argument, not you. :)

It's okay... probably read too much into it.

Anyway, I get to sit on this lofty perch of yours now and watch all the townies go mental. Fun times! :D

[Kagemusha]

It's okay... probably read too much into it.

Anyway, I get to sit on this lofty perch of yours now and watch all the townies go mental. Fun times! :D

Well there is lot of space here for corps next to the wall where mine is freezing. I hope soon Sasaki, Sigurd, Beskar and Atheotes will be joining me.

[Beskar]

Do we have any catholic priests in this game? We need an exorcism.

[Kagemusha]

Do we have any catholic priests in this game? We need an exorcism.

lol!:laugh4:

[Diamondeye]

No, us = the town. I am far too smart than to say anything else anyway and unlike some people, I plan for phases far in advance, not phase-by-phase. So don't pick at imaginary errors. Also, don't stick me with Secura, only contact I had with Secura was a brief chat. I have people who are an alibi to my night actions.

Fine, I just had come to think of you and Secura as a pair. I'm glad you're willing to clearly state that it is not so. Althouh since you are Beskar I'll obviously not stop being suspicious about you


A SHIPOWNER was about to send to sea an emigrant-ship. He knew that she was old, and not over-well built at the first; that she had seen many seas and climes, and often had needed repairs. Doubts had been suggested to him that possibly she was not seaworthy. These doubts preyed upon his mind and made him unhappy; he thought that perhaps he ought to have her thoroughly overhauled and refitted, even though this should put him to great expense. Before the ship sailed, however, he succeeded in overcoming these melancholy reflections. He said to himself that she had gone safely through so many voyages and weathered so many storms that it was idle to suppose she would not come safely home from this trip also. He would put his trust in Providence, which could hardly fail to protect all these unhappy families that were leaving their fatherland to seek for better times elsewhere. He would dismiss from his mind all ungenerous suspicions about the honesty of builders and contractors. In such ways he acquired a sincere and comfortable conviction that his vessel was thoroughly safe and seaworthy; he watched her departure with a light heart, and benevolent wishes for the success of the exiles in their strange new home that was to be; and he got his insurance-money when she went down in mid-ocean and told no tales.
What shall we say of him? Surely this, that he was verily guilty of the death of those men. It is admitted that he did sincerely believe in the soundness of his ship; but the sincerity of his conviction can in no wise help him, because he had no right to believe on such evidence as was before him. He had acquired his belief not by honestly earning it in patient investigation, but by stifling his doubts. And although in the end he may have felt so sure about it that he could not think otherwise, yet inasmuch as he had knowingly and willingly worked himself into that frame of mind, he must be held responsible for it.

Sasaki. That was awesome.


Hahahahahahaha, you're a pretty funny one, DE. I haven't done anything of the sort.

Thank you :bow:, but my contraction was intended to mean "Secura is", not "Secura has" - surely, you won't decline that you - personally, your role, not your team - are messed up in this game? You're leading the lynch by 10 votes or so with some hours left to go and a general consensus (plus own admission) of guilt.

[Diamondeye]

Like anything you say would have any kind of credibility left.

The remaining mafia can be quite possibly from this crowd voting Secura : ATPG, atheotes, autolycus, Beskar, Capt B, Cent1, Csargo, Diamondeye, Reenk, Renata, Sasaki, Sigurd, TheFlax, TinCow, White_e:D, Yaropolk, Yaseikhaan

Also strangely when killing lurkers was brought up we only have 6 players not voting anymore.

I'm... Intrigued by your conclusion that the mafia are voting for Secura who is clearly mafia.


Do we have any catholic priests in this game? We need an exorcism.

Uhm... Does my avatar count? After all, it's not really a baker boy.
I do tend to agree, though, want me to try and banish the thing with a psalm?

[Secura]

Fine, I just had come to think of you and Secura as a pair. I'm glad you're willing to clearly state that it is not so. Althouh since you are Beskar I'll obviously not stop being suspicious about you

He wouldn't have it any other way! :P


Thank you :bow:, but my contraction was intended to mean "Secura is", not "Secura has" - surely, you won't decline that you - personally, your role, not your team - are messed up in this game? You're leading the lynch by 10 votes or so with some hours left to go and a general consensus (plus own admission) of guilt.

Right, so you meant "Secura is messed up"...

...personally, I'm fine with whatever happens; I dislike playing as mafia immensely, really. I sorta end up crossing my fingers hoping I'm town when I open my role PMs. That wasn't the case for this game, unfortunately. There's nothing to prevent me from remaining active in giving my underlings advice and such though, dead or not, so I intend to do just that.

My team's got a good enough advantage to go off now, and it's going to make for an interesting game of cat and mouse no matter what happens. Either the town is going to find the remaining spies and kill them or the spies are going to continue my work and build up a strong enough force to wipe everyone out. It's going to be fun. :3