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There is the other obvious flaw, if you attacked me Pizza, that means you weren't the demon partner, which leaves Joooray or TinCow and you are innocent of being that demon.
You are really not thinking with your dipstick, Jimmeh.
Since apparently both of you are trying to say the demons are of the alive folks, let me get you a quote from a post a couple of minutes ago, I made:
Simply put, Kagemusha which was the original target, was killed. The other guy made an impossible huge leap over me, which means he's also a demon and not you. Since you obviously weren't going to attack your own demons, the only thing left is for you was to attack Beskar.
Yes, the two demons are dead people. And thank you for revealing Beskar.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 11:47
See last post.
I saw it, and I didn't see anything that wasn't already refuted.
Exactly. And you didn't. Thank you for agreeing with me.
It's automatic. If Beskar attacks someone solo and nothing happens, it's because he cannot do it solo. There's no choice in the matter. Go ahead and ask Crazed Rabbit if attacking solo when you can't does anything, and if attacking solo when you can could ever not do something. I know this because W_E wanted to attack solo at one point and it wasn't allowed. Good call on him being a demon too, btw, everyone.
Wait. Let me see if I get this straight. Last turn you just admitted to being scum, and the last scummy group is the demons. And you are REALLY trying to convince me that you ACTUALLY attacked your own demon? You must think I'm stupid.
I wouldn't characterize you as such, just overzealous and not thinking clearly. Beskar said it better.
There are flaws in your theory, if you want to go back and recheck your logic then we can talk, otherwise your argument is dismissed by its own reasoning.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 11:49
And thank you for revealing Beskar.
He's quite an impressive specimen to behold. Rowr. :heart:
Beskar: Attack ATPG (Why? He can't attack alone. That's why there wasn't even an attack. Absolutely no reason except to break the attack group.)
Actually, I attacked him because of his pull a spartan, also, I wasn't acting alone, Joooray was meant to be attacking with me, and possibly TinCow. Both of these didn't do this, hence why in the write up, it says about my companions not even turning up. Instead, Joooray most likely attacked me because he knows I am town and wants to kill me off for whatever reason. Also to the write-up, the demon had a partner, and Yaro/Jolt had partners (there was a pural), thus, two people, most likely Sasaki then either TinCow or ATPG.
There was no CC of orders from TinCow or any other validation, on the otherhand, Pizza did. There are a bunch of other reasonings which makes TinCow look scummy.
The reason I haven't voted is because I haven't decided. However Jolt, your contributions were simply put "wrong".
Also, you can thank Joooray for Pizza not being dead, he was too interested in killing known townies, so if you want to accuse some one, feel free to accuse him.
I saw it, and I didn't see anything that wasn't already refuted.
Err. Last post mentions who attacked Kagemusha. Which in turn answered to your question. If you're thinking I'm going to believe an admitted scum on who was attacking or not. Err. Think again.
It's automatic. If Beskar attacks someone solo and nothing happens, it's because he cannot do it solo. There's no choice in the matter. Go ahead and ask Crazed Rabbit if attacking solo when you can't does anything, and if attacking solo when you can could ever not do something. I know this because W_E wanted to attack solo at one point and it wasn't allowed. Good call on him being a demon too, btw, everyone.
It's irrelevant at this point. Even if he couldn't originally attack alone, the fact that he was converted by you or someone of your posse, plus the fact that he can't argue still accusing me, or blocking me, or not replying me at that query, makes it pretty clear what he is, and why your argument is a falacy, as you know we can't know what powers he gains if he's been converted.
I wouldn't characterize you as such, just overzealous and not thinking clearly. Beskar said it better.
Actually, it's pretty much the first time in the game where I'm completely sure who is doing what.
There are flaws in your theory, if you want to go back and recheck your logic then we can talk, otherwise your argument is dismissed by its own reasoning.
I see no flaws whatsoever.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 12:01
EDIT: Further, it makes perfect sense that Beskar said to me when you tried to convert him on MSN, I went on MSN that very minute and found him offline while you were offline. That means he blocked me. That further proves that Beskar is scum. When I PMed him back asking why he had me blocked in MSN (For no reason, mind you) while sending me PMs here, he never replied. Funny, isn't it?
Woah, slow down Jimmeh. When you edit many posts in a row, some of these gems can get lost forever.
Beskar is often offline, just like me. But sure, if appearing offline is evidence of scum, go for it.
I see no flaws whatsoever.
Pretty funny, since you are completely wrong.
If you, sasaki, yaropolk or pizza night attacked me, I would be instantly dead, possibly TinCow too. Only person who can attack me and I still survived is Joooray. The fact Joooray was meant to be doing a vig on Pizza with me but didn't, and has attacked me night before, also the fact the attacker used the crossbow associated with the rangers... it is pretty definite that Joooray attacked me.
So you saying Pizza attacked me means you are completely barking up the wrong tree.
Now, if you said TinCow sent in the orders and not Pizza, that is a possiblity, but not definite.
EDIT: Further, it makes perfect sense that Beskar said to me when you tried to convert him on MSN, I went on MSN that very minute and found him offline while you were offline. That means he blocked me. That further proves that Beskar is scum. When I PMed him back asking why he had me blocked in MSN (For no reason, mind you) while sending me PMs here, he never replied. Funny, isn't it?
You have been blocked for months.
Pizza never tried to convert me, he spoke that it is possible. It could have been a reveal or it could be a fish for information, and I passed this along to you, Sasaki and Yaropolk.
Also, I am actually the only town person left in the game. My death is a mafia victory. Only a fool or a mafia would want to get rid of me.
Actually, I attacked him because of his pull a spartan, also, I wasn't acting alone, Joooray was meant to be attacking with me, and possibly TinCow. Both of these didn't do this, hence why in the write up, it says about my companions not even turning up. Instead, Joooray most likely attacked me because he knows I am town and wants to kill me off for whatever reason. Also to the write-up, the demon had a partner, and Yaro/Jolt had partners (there was a pural), thus, two people, most likely Sasaki then either TinCow or ATPG.
:laugh2:
So let me see, you have Yaropolk, which is 100% Confirmed town, who positively ID'd one demon. You yourself said you trusted me and Yaropolk more than anyone in the whole game. Then what do you do in the face of the such reveal from one of the persons you most trusted in the game? You go to attack ATPG. Rofl, really? And wait, this gets better. So you end up attacking him at night, AND you don't vote for him with the very same reason? Do I smell a scummy contradiction? Really, who the hell are you trying to convince? Then I'll tell you what. As you still trust me, since I am Pro-Town and died killing the demons, I'm telling you to vote for ATPG. Though I'm very sure you'll ignore my advice, of one who is Pro-Town and you said you trusted more than anyone in this game, just a turn ago.
There was no CC of orders from TinCow or any other validation, on the otherhand, Pizza did. There are a bunch of other reasonings which makes TinCow look scummy.
HAHAHA, really this is how desperate your arguments are? Are you saying that ATPG isn't smart enough to submit an order in CC to everyone and then change it to CR alone? Really. You must really think I'm stupid. It's the only logic I can find to explain these arguments you are spouting about here. But I like it, as it reveals very well how you two are linked.
The reason I haven't voted is because I haven't decided. However Jolt, your contributions were simply put "wrong".
Vote for ATPG. I vouch for it in my dead Pro-Town role that you trusted, as I want to win this game.
Also, you can thank Joooray for Pizza not being dead, he was too interested in killing known townies, so if you want to accuse some one, feel free to accuse him.
Joooray will have a chance to say his piece. Until he does, your and ATPG's position looks extremely precarious.
I'd like to interject and say that, having known Beskar for the last eight or nine years, I can confirm that he often chooses to Appear Offline in order to avoid being hassled when he's in the middle of doing stuff; I've sometimes been on the end of it myself.
It isn't indicative of guilt, it's just what he does.
EDIT: 1,000 posts already... I need help. xD
Woah, slow down Jimmeh. When you edit many posts in a row, some of these gems can get lost forever.
Beskar is often offline, just like me. But sure, if appearing offline is evidence of scum, go for it.
Oh. But guess what? Immediatly after he sent me that PM, I went to MSN and after finding him offline, I still tried to talk to him in MSN. And guess what the reply was?
"..."
...Silence. :laugh2:
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 12:18
Err. Last post mentions who attacked Kagemusha. Which in turn answered to your question. If you're thinking I'm going to believe an admitted scum on who was attacking or not. Err. Think again.
I know I have no credibility since "admitting I was scum". But I'm not asking for trust, I'm asking you to re-examine your theory.
Who was with kagemusha if Beskar and I attacked each other? Name names.
"We can't know what powers he gains" is fine enough as an option-explorer, but stating it doesn't make it fact. Since I know for a fact I didn't do that, I can state categorically it isn't true. But you don't know that, so that's fine. But it is most definitely not an established fact, especially when it is false.
Actually, it's pretty much the first time in the game where I'm completely sure who is doing what.
Completely wrong too, I fear.
I see no flaws whatsoever.
It's fine to be confident in ones own theories, but do yourself a favor and re-examine.
your position looks extremely precarious.
No it doesn't. I am a confirmed townie, there is no doubt in my position.
You have been blocked for months.
Ooo. Because of what? You may PM me the reason if you like, I won't mind. See the thing is that your last message to me was little more than over a month ago. And in the early March (Less than a month ago), I was thinking of inviting you for a Civ 4 game and lo and behold, you were online! :laugh2:
Nice try.
Ooo. Because of what? You may PM me the reason if you like, I won't mind. See the thing is that your last message to me was little more than over a month ago. And in the early March (Less than a month ago), I was thinking of inviting you for a Civ 4 game and lo and behold, you were online! :laugh2:
Nice try.
Last time we spoke on MSN, was when we spoke about Red Cliffe movie. This is in relation to the game you was hosting at the time about the Three Kingdoms.
I never blocked or deleted you out of malice, we just never spoke, and since we didn't speak, no point being on MSN or similar, however, you could still easily contact me over the forum. Also, I never blocked or deleted anyone from my list anytime I have been a mafia. Just because you noticed I wasn't online as you wanted to contact me doesn't mean I was always there, it infact speaks of the rarity of the communications between us that you only just noticed.
Who was with kagemusha if Beskar and I attacked each other? Name names.
Since all CR says is "a group". Unless somebody reveals otherwise: TinCow, Sasaki, Joooray and Yaropolk.
"We can't know what powers he gains" is fine enough as an option-explorer, but stating it doesn't make it fact. Since I know for a fact I didn't do that, I can state categorically it isn't true. But you don't know that, so that's fine. But it is most definitely not an established fact, especially when it is false.
We might not know if he gained powers or not, but looking at his contradictions makes it up a lot.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 12:30
Since all CR says is "a group". Unless somebody reveals otherwise: TinCow, Sasaki, Joooray and Yaropolk.
Referring to the second demon who killed Yaropolk, not the Kage attack group.
We might not know if he gained powers or not, but looking at his contradictions makes it up a lot.
I won't argue in Beskar's place, but I haven't seen any.
Last time we spoke on MSN, was when we spoke about Red Cliffe movie. This is in relation to the game you was hosting at the time about the Three Kingdoms.
No, actually our last conversation (You said things, I was away) was about your hosted game. And yes, that was little over a month ago.
I never blocked or deleted you out of malice, we just never spoke, and since we didn't speak, no point being on MSN or similar, however, you could still easily contact me over the forum. Also, I never blocked or deleted anyone from my list anytime I have been a mafia. Just because you noticed I wasn't online as you wanted to contact me doesn't mean I was always there, it infact speaks of the rarity of the communications between us that you only just noticed.
Not really, I had noticed you were a lot offline, but since you were offline like a lot of people in my MSN, I just don't think about it particularly, although I notice. But now I've seen the reason for all of it, so it's no surprise. :laugh3:
You forget that only Joooray is the only person who could have attacked me and I survive, as his solo-attacks work on chance. Which makes your theory of me and Pizza attacking eachother theory fail. But even with your theory, you say that Pizza cannot be the demon who attacked with kagemusha, as he was too busy attacking me, therefore accounted for.
So if you want to say Pizza is infact the demon working with Kagemusha (yes, there is only one left, thus me and Pizza being partners again fails), then he couldn't have attacked me, which means some one else attacked me (has to be one of those you listed).
In short, it is full of plotholes.
Unfortunately, Pizza gave out like 3-5 different stories yesterday, which one of them was true, we will never know, but the common theme was with Yaropolk dead, the Mafia have won, even when he knew from Yaropolk about Kagemusha. Also, people kept going after White_Eyes:D yesterday, but since there are were two demons and two demons attacked again... well.. it was a waste of a lynch. I at the time said to get rid of AskthePizzaGuy. Also, you kept using results from TinCow to support this lynch theory... strange isn't it?
Since the best actual theory being laid out is actually by myself, even though I am not certain of TinCow's and ATPG's night actions as they are unaccountable, this should be adopted as the official version of events, unless more information comes into play. Arguing anything else is simply counter-productive and going around in circles.
Unfortunately, TinCow has already said he won't be able to reply during the day phase (quite convenient too) which hinders us making the right choice.
I won't argue in Beskar's place, but I haven't seen any.
No? Let me lay it out for you then!
Anyway, it appears Pizza was pulling a Spartan. However, for serious suspects, I put forward TinCow as possible demon.
Actually, I attacked him [ATPG] because of his pull a spartan
So. He attacks you for "Pulling a spartan". Why does he do that? To "kill" you. What happens the next day? "HAI GAIS I JUST TRIED TO KILL ATPG ALONE FOR SPARTA, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO LYNCH HIM EXACTLY FOR THE REASON I ATTACKED HIM BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN I CAN THINK OF MORE SERIOUS SUSPECTS"
But even with your theory, you say that Pizza cannot be the demon who attacked with kagemusha, as he was too busy attacking me, therefore accounted for.
ARGH. THE DEMON PARTNER IS A DEAD/LYNCHED GUY! IT IS NOT YOU, ATPG, SANTA CLAUS OR ROBO-HITLER.
Do tell me though:
- One, how do you know who CC'd whom?
- Two, why did you not try to kill Kagemusha, as Yaropolk, one of your trusted townies who ID'd him, said for you to do?
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 12:43
So. He attacks you for "Pulling a spartan". Why does he do that? To "kill" you. What happens the next day? "HAI GAIS I JUST TRIED TO KILL ATPG ALONE FOR SPARTA, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO LYNCH HIM EXACTLY FOR THE REASON I ATTACKED HIM BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN I CAN THINK OF MORE SERIOUS SUSPECTS"
Well, if you keep pushing him on that, I'm sure he will switch his vote to me just to end that line of reasoning. Sometimes the best way to prove someone wrong is to follow their theory to its most logical conclusion.
Lynch me Beskar.
Lynch me Beskar.
Hi, I'm Telmo Rola and I approve of this message.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 12:45
Hi, I'm Telmo Rola and I approve of this message.
You really tickle me, Telmo. :clown:
- One, how do you know who CC'd whom?
Because I have them in my inbox and also Sasaki said as well.
- Two, why did you not try to kill Kagemusha, as Yaropolk, one of your trusted townies who ID'd him, said for you to do?
I said this in the thread. I thought the attack on corpses was a waste of time, when killing Pizza was a priority and I accused Yaropolk of stalling town victory for his own agenda. Which is partly correct, as Yaropolk was right about Kagemusha.
ARGH. THE DEMON PARTNER IS A DEAD/LYNCHED GUY! IT IS NOT YOU, ATPG, SANTA CLAUS OR ROBO-HITLER.
This person says otherwise:
http://www.avclub.com/assets/images/articles/article/1552/SB_robot-hitler_color.jpg
:laugh4:
Anyway, I am going to do this:
Vote: TinCow
I had this gut feeling since before the Pizza one, and a few things don't add up and seem right, I will go with this. However, if the game doesn't end with both of these dead, I push forward Joooray, because he keeps attacking a known townie, two nights in a row now.
If the rest of you choose to vote for Pizza, it is your own decision. But when the game ends and he isn't the Mafia, I reserve the right to say "I told you so."
I said this in the thread. I thought the attack on corpses was a waste of time, when killing Pizza was a priority and I accused Yaropolk of stalling town victory for his own agenda. Which is partly correct, as Yaropolk was right about Kagemusha.
The only people trying to kill at night with any seriousness for the past 3 nights were demons who were repeatedly attacking. From there, it is pretty obvious to think that the people stalling the game ARE the demons. Therefore, it was pretty easy to assume that his own agenda was the town's agenda. That, coupled with the fact that you appeared to be in connection with our/town agenda when you revealed ATPG was trying to convert you, makes your argument of suddenly thinking Yaropolk positively ID'ing a demon and you dismissing it as something not worth of your attention shows yet another point where you contradict yourself.
Anyway, I am going to do this:
Vote: TinCow
I had this gut feeling since before the Pizza one, and a few things don't add up and seem right, I will go with this. However, if the game doesn't end with both of these dead, I push forward Joooray, because he keeps attacking a known townie, two nights in a row now.
If the rest of you choose to vote for Pizza, it is your own decision. But when the game ends and he isn't the Mafia, I reserve the right to say "I told you so."
So, does that mean you no longer think both me and Yaropolk are the town's most trusted elements? :laugh3:
Because I have them in my inbox and also Sasaki said as well.
Ah, so you are saying that you, like ATPG, did originally send the CC with the order, pretending to attack Kagemusha and then changed it back? And you were saying that you saw ATPG's CC and were using that as an argument that he attacked the demon? xD
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 13:09
So, does that mean you no longer think both me and Yaropolk are the town's most trusted elements? :laugh3:
Only because Beskar insisted I post this:
It means Beskar is total scum, obviously. Now Joooray comes to finish the job with a third vote on TinCow, and your journey toward the dark side will be complete. :clown:
So, does that mean you no longer think both me and Yaropolk are the town's most trusted elements? :laugh3:
Actually, it is more of "I am the only townie here, the closest to town would be yaropolk".
The good things about you two being partners is that you're the only two ones left alive of the original group that attacked me.
I am the only townie here
I really have no clue if you're still trying to convince anyone of that.
I really have no clue if you're still trying to convince anyone of that.
It is true. You are not a townie, neither is Sasaki, neither is Joooray, neither is Pizza and neither is TinCow.
You are all 3rd party roles.
It is true. You are not a townie, neither is Sasaki, neither is Joooray, neither is Pizza and neither is TinCow.
You are all 3rd party roles.
Actually it is wrong as most of our roles said we could not be recruited by factions contrary to Town. You, however did not. Joooray is hunting demons. That means he can't be converted. Since I couldn't, so can't Sasaki. TinCow is supposedly in the same predicament as Yaropolk, ATPG already openly admitted his alliegence, so that leaves you. Hm...
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 13:36
It's a fair cop. The jig is up, Lord Beskar.
Shall we unleash force lightning together? We struck him down but now he's become more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
It's a fair cop. The jig is up, Lord Beskar.
Shall we unleash force lightning together? We struck him down but now he's become more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
I doubt you'll get a chance. Provided nobody does anything stupid, you get 3 votes and die, and Sasaki kills Beskar this next night. Exactly how Yaropolk told Beskar that was going to happen.
Yaropolk
04-11-2010, 13:39
Cr, what an epic writeup!
Here're my thoughts: first wait for jooray to confirm if he tried to attack beskar
Second, as I'm dead I can't reveal pm's, but I am quite certain TC is not scum based on last nights discussion with him and the fact that he was open about his actions all game.
My idea is that the 2 demons are corpses and the last scum is not alligned with them. But is not killing in order to let demons and vigs do his dirty work.
Beskar - you sabotaged last night's attack on kagemusha by pulling out two people. You did this under the guise of not prolonging the game even after you had my pledge for a pizza vote in the morning. Now its morning and you don't even vote for him. That was a clever way to set up a few CI's while not risking your neck. You don't want to lynch pizza since if the game doesn't end, you would be top suspect.
Beskar should be lynched today.
Beskar - you sabotaged last night's attack on kagemusha by pulling out two people. You did this under the guise of not prolonging the game even after you had my pledge for a pizza vote in the morning. Now its morning and you don't even vote for him. That was a clever way to set up a few CI's while not risking your neck. You don't want to lynch pizza since if the game doesn't end, you would be top suspect.
Beskar should be lynched today.
Actually, if you read, I never pulled out two people at all. I was alone in my attack. Infact, you could assist us here. Which two people didn't participate in the attack? Joooray most likely attacked me again (which means he ignored your summons on attacking a corpse, and mine against a suspect). Which is the 3rd person which didn't join in? As they are obviously the demon.
Cr, what an epic writeup!
Here're my thoughts: first wait for jooray to confirm if he tried to attack beskar
Second, as I'm dead I can't reveal pm's, but I am quite certain TC is not scum based on last nights discussion with him and the fact that he was open about his actions all game.
My idea is that the 2 demons are corpses and the last scum is not alligned with them. But is not killing in order to let demons and vigs do his dirty work.
Beskar - you sabotaged last night's attack on kagemusha by pulling out two people. You did this under the guise of not prolonging the game even after you had my pledge for a pizza vote in the morning. Now its morning and you don't even vote for him. That was a clever way to set up a few CI's while not risking your neck. You don't want to lynch pizza since if the game doesn't end, you would be top suspect.
Beskar should be lynched today.
ATPG already has a vote and also balked on the group. He dies today and Sasaki kills Beskar tonight. No need to advocate new lynch targets.
ATPG already has a vote and also balked on the group. He dies today and Sasaki kills Beskar tonight. No need to advocate new lynch targets.
Actually, Sasaki needs to kill Joooray, not me. Suggesting to kill me just shows you how wrong you are.
Yaropolk
04-11-2010, 13:51
Everyone except you two joined the attack. I had 3 helpers. Jolt's plan is fine.
Everyone except you two joined the attack. I had 3 helpers. Jolt's plan is fine.
No it isn't. It makes no sense at all and incorrect.
So Pizza and Me didn't join the attack, and attacked eachother? What?
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 13:56
Cr, what an epic writeup!
Here're my thoughts: first wait for jooray to confirm if he tried to attack beskar
Agreed. Pertinent information.
My idea is that the 2 demons are corpses and the last scum is not alligned with them. But is not killing in order to let demons and vigs do his dirty work.
How does town win in this scenario? Eliminate the last scum and ignore the corpses? One would think for balance that the game should be able to be won even if there aren't any Palatinates to lead the corpse killing.
Beskar - you sabotaged last night's attack on kagemusha by pulling out two people. You did this under the guise of not prolonging the game even after you had my pledge for a pizza vote in the morning. Now its morning and you don't even vote for him. That was a clever way to set up a few CI's while not risking your neck. You don't want to lynch pizza since if the game doesn't end, you would be top suspect.
Beskar should be lynched today.
I thought Beskar was attacking me... but okay, wait for Joooray.
No it isn't. It makes no sense at all and incorrect.
So Pizza and Me didn't join the attack, and attacked eachother? What?
:laugh4:
I fail to see why you are even arguing. You started by saying you attacked Pizza for his reveal, then changed your opinion into a few minutes into "pulling a Spartan" (MSN with ATPG helps ;) ). Then you started agreeing with ATPG on everything, and disregarded both mine and Yaropolk's arguments. How you're still defending your positions are beyond me.
How does town win in this scenario? Eliminate the last scum and ignore the corpses? One would think for balance that the game should be able to be won even if there aren't any Palatinates to lead the corpse killing.
One of you (Or both) is a necromancer. I presume we attacked the corpse and killed it to prevent both demons attacking at once again (Or actually, even if only one of them can attack alone). So kagemusha's death could have very well have ended the power for the demons to kill and all we need now is to kill the necromancers.
Well, your argument is wrong, and mine was a possibility between ATPG and TinCow being alive demon. If the other demon is dead and both of them assisted yaropolk in killing Kagemusha, then that means Joooray is the mafia.
Well, your argument is wrong, and mine was a possibility between ATPG and TinCow being alive demon. If the other demon is dead and both of them assisted yaropolk in killing Kagemusha, then that means Joooray is the mafia.
ATPG did not assist in the killing of Kagemusha. Neither did you.
ATPG did not assist in the killing of Kagemusha. Neither did you.
I know I didn't, I attacked ATPG.
How do you know ATPG did not assist? When Crazed Rabbit actually gives out results PM's, he doesn't even say who didn't, just says that some one was missing or not, so how are you so sure?
I know I didn't, I attacked ATPG.
How do you know ATPG did not assist? When Crazed Rabbit actually gives out results PM's, he doesn't even say who didn't, just says that some one was missing or not, so how are you so sure?
He confessed to being part of the demon group.
I sent in orders to battle Kagemusha, and TinCow did not. Strike three.
Not remotely true. I sent in my orders and CCed them to Yaropolk. I didn't CC them to anyone else because Beskar and Joooray were trying to recruit me to attack ATPG. I limited the CC list so that they would not see that I had submitted orders that did not involve doing what they wanted.
Vote: ATPG
This is an easy lynch choice. ATPG is lying so blatantly it is rather laughable.
Not remotely true. I sent in my orders and CCed them to Yaropolk. I didn't CC them to anyone else because Beskar and Joooray were trying to recruit me to attack ATPG. I limited the CC list so that they would not see that I had submitted orders that did not involve doing what they wanted.
Funny, why didn't you send it to Sasaki who could actually reveal this is correct? Oh wait, he said you didn't. Yaropolk cannot reveal if this is true or not.
Funny, why didn't you send it to Sasaki who could actually reveal this is correct? Oh wait, he said you didn't. Yaropolk cannot reveal if this is true or not.
It didn't seem necessary. Why do you even care about CCed orders when they're proof of nothing anyway? Anyone can CC proper orders and then send in a new version to CR to avoid it. Stop trying to find evidence in something that has no inherent evidentiary value.
It didn't seem necessary. Why do you even care about CCed orders when they're proof of nothing anyway? Anyone can CC proper orders and then send in a new version to CR to avoid it. Stop trying to find evidence in something that has no inherent evidentiary value.
Yet, there is an obvious flaw where everyone CC'd stuff except for you and Joooray. Joooray attacked me, and you, well, we don't know that and no one can account for it. At least Pizza went through the trouble of at least CC'ing something which people recieved.
Yet, there is an obvious flaw where everyone CC'd stuff except for you and Joooray. Joooray attacked me, and you, well, we don't know that and no one can account for it. At least Pizza went through the trouble of at least CC'ing something which people recieved.
Obvious flaw? I didn't receive CCed orders from Jolt or Sasaki, but I don't see you getting all up in their face about it.
Also, as for this bit:
Unfortunately, TinCow has already said he won't be able to reply during the day phase (quite convenient too) which hinders us making the right choice.
I assure you that this (https://img532.imageshack.us/i/dsc01239a.jpg/) is not 'quite convenient' for me. Rather the opposite, actually. Do you want photos of the woodrot on the subfloor and exterior as well?
Yet, there is an obvious flaw where everyone CC'd stuff except for you and Joooray. Joooray attacked me, and you, well, we don't know that and no one can account for it. At least Pizza went through the trouble of at least CC'ing something which people recieved.
There isn't, as Sasaki pointed out. If he was Mafia (Like ATPG) why wouldn't he bother to CC to everyone to give the credibility (Like you are trying to make ATPG seem)? TinCow is innocent.
Yes, the two demons are dead people. And thank you for revealing Beskar.
Actually, that was me, I've been doing that all game. I even sent his role PM to ATPG.
It means Beskar is total scum, obviously. Now Joooray comes to finish the job with a third vote on TinCow, and your journey toward the dark side will be complete.
It's a fair cop. The jig is up, Lord Beskar.
Shall we unleash force lightning together? We struck him down but now he's become more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
Which means that this is complete rubbish. ATPG is lying OH SO terribly.
I could give all of you his role pm, should you so wish.
Also, for the record, I'm tending towards thinking this demon thing is a total red herring once again. 'khaan insinuated supernatural stuff would happen with his death, but he has been revealed to be a Turk. I believe all this supernatural stuff has just been the Turks exploiting the Palatinate group's superstitions to make them waste night actions and distract the town. The remaining scum are probably just pure Turks.
Obvious flaw? I didn't receive CCed orders from Jolt or Sasaki, but I don't see you getting all up in their face about it.
I recieved CC'd orders from Sasaki.
I recieved CC'd orders from Sasaki.
Then you have the proof that he did not CC me in your inbox, because my name cannot be on the cc list for that PM since I never got it.
Yaropolk
04-11-2010, 15:21
Beskar, you were very insistant on vigging atpg last night, here is your chance to finish him. Cast your vote to seal the deal
Beskar, you were very insistant on vigging atpg last night, here is your chance to finish him. Cast your vote to seal the deal
:yes: Beskar, ATPG and I are both claiming to have joined in the corpse desecration of Kage last night. One of us is lying. Look back on how ATPG and I have both behaved over the last several days. One of us has blatantly lied until their eyes bled, while the other one has be totally open about everything and their actions have been verified and supported by the Palatinate group. The choice is obvious.
Reenk Roink
04-11-2010, 15:29
The everyday struggles of the town (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDbEX666G3Y&feature=fvw)
specially dedicated to Jolt and Sasaki :wink: :beam:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 16:07
:laugh4:
I'm not sure if beskar is a recruit or just screwing with the town. You have to remember that sometimes townies have sympathies that lie elsewhere.
Pizza has no qualms about blatant, easily disprovable lies. Remember he started yesterday claiming White Eyes had solo attacked beskar, even though it was Joooray.
Beskar, you were very insistant on vigging atpg last night, here is your chance to finish him. Cast your vote to seal the deal
Will you take full accountability of the vote if it is wrong?
The everyday struggles of the town (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDbEX666G3Y&feature=fvw)
specially dedicated to Jolt and Sasaki :wink: :beam:
No worries. I'm pretty confident for this end game. If everything goes the way I think it will, Yaropolk will recieve the "Prophet Award" from me.
Yes, I was the one attacking Beskar last night. My reason was something along what Yaro already said:
Beskar - you sabotaged last night's attack on kagemusha by pulling out two people. You did this under the guise of not prolonging the game even after you had my pledge for a pizza vote in the morning. Now its morning and you don't even vote for him. That was a clever way to set up a few CI's while not risking your neck. You don't want to lynch pizza since if the game doesn't end, you would be top suspect.
Beskar should be lynched today.
I could somewhat understand your argument on Atpg, but it really tickled me that you would blatantly insist on the vig hit, even though I told you we wouldn't be successful as we wouldn't qualify as a full group. Then you bring in TC, who you wanted to kill the night before and I never see any reaction to the vig-attempt by TC whatsoever. Now reading the thread, I have to find out that TC only qualifies as a traveller, so even the three of us wouldn't have qualified as a full group. Yet you kept on insisting on the hit. That behaviour just threw me off and I fought that I either you were looking for a way to have an alibi in the write-up, which would have been foolish because one of us could easily be killed doing it OR it was a ruse to get me to attack Atpg alone and die trying. Either way, it increased my suspicion on you and because I had no interest in participating in what I thought was senseless corpse hacking, I thought I finish what I started the night before.
Well it seems I'm not very good at finishing stuff. :rolleyes3:
I'm not too sure where to stand on this whole TC and Atpg thing. On the one hand, I have been suspicious of TC for a while now, the role he presented seemed pretty weird and that he was just a bit too close to the palatines, who I could also not put anywhere. I just think it would be a great place for scum to hide in, being guarded by people with their own agenda.
On the other hand, Atpg has also proven to get a lot of attention recently, but he always does, but I don't know where to place him either. All in all, being external of the whole palatine/demon issue, I can't make out what is infighting and who says what in order to push his own agenda.
That's why I'll Vote: Beskar for now.
BTW:
I assure you that this (https://img532.imageshack.us/i/dsc01239a.jpg/) is not 'quite convenient' for me. Rather the opposite, actually.
NICE!!:thumbsup: Though I can see that being a lot of work.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 17:56
Last night:
Sasaki: attacking kage
Yaropolk: attacking kage
Jolt: protecting yaropolk
Joooray: attacking beskar
Beskar: attacking pizza
Tincow: attacking kage
Pizza: attacking yaropolk
Voting beskar is a waste, Joooray. You may find TinCow's role odd, but he claimed it very early in the game--and the only remaining scum is the demon recruit. So even if TinCow was the recruit, his role would be genuine. And he was proven active doing something else the night screwtape and wormwood were out killing.
Pizza is just blatantly lying, don't let it throw you.
I'm not too sure where to stand on this whole TC and Atpg thing.
Are you :daisy: kidding? Did you just happen to miss the 10 pages of discussion we had about ATPG having revealed himself as part of the Demon clique?
On the other hand, Atpg has also proven to get a lot of attention recently, but he always does, but I don't know where to place him either.
Have you been paying attention to the game? At all?
All in all, being external of the whole palatine/demon issue, I can't make out what is infighting and who says what in order to push his own agenda.
*facepalm*
Here's the thing. Every Turk is dead (Most probably). The only thing happening from 3 nights ago to now is basically demons attempting to murder (And apparently, you too, but then you attack at the same time of the demons, so I suppose you are not part of their group).They killed atheotes, who was a townie. If the demons were NOT Anti-Town then the game would have ended with Khaan's lynch. Yet we were stuck in a game where demons ventured out every night to kill. Then Yaropolk investigated and caught ATPG, who under the pressure of the votes revealed himself to be part of the Demon Mafia. You too were supposed to be killing ATPG last night and now you don't vote for him? You are starting to smell too scummy as well.
EDIT: Of course, besides TinCow being known to be active when the demons were killing.
I love how Joooray says about having a small group of us against a suspicious target would fail, but he is more than happy to try to solo-attempt a townie. :laugh4:
Edit: Don't forget Jolt, Yaropolk, etc. When I said to lynch Pizza, you went and voted for White_Eyes:D. Apparently he was a demon as well.
Kagemusha
04-11-2010, 18:48
You fools.You have already lost this game while you dont understand it.:evil: Yaropolk that was great way to go.Magnificent final battle CR.:bow:
I love how Joooray says about having a small group of us against a suspicious target would fail, but he is more than happy to try to solo-attempt a townie. :laugh4:
Edit: Don't forget Jolt, Yaropolk, etc. When I said to lynch Pizza, you went and voted for White_Eyes:D. Apparently he was a demon as well.
I really hope you've been recruited, because I don't like thinking that you're this easily manipulated. What's the point of throwing muck at Joooray when his night action clearly shows he wasn't killing Yaropolk? And what's the point of your [edit] statement, just to laugh at everyone else? Are you even trying to make an argument anymore, or are you just blathering for the point of making this vote actually seem contentious? Seriously, if you haven't been recruited, explain what happened to take you from this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2465553&viewfull=1#post2465553) (ATPG has no alibi the entire game and is known non-town) and this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2466260&viewfull=1#post2466260) (the game ends when ATPG dies) to you now swallowing every bite ATPG feeds you? My failure to CC you on my night orders? Despite the fact I told you I wasn't going to vig ATPG with you:
I need you to join me and Joooray in a Vig kill against ATPG so we can win and end the game. The paladins have another agenda, thus want us to attack random bodies.
I only count as a traveler for vig kill purposes, my assistance wouldn't help with less than 4 people total. In addition, why do you believe the paladins are wrong?
They have another agenda, opposed to a town victory which would occur with Pizza's death. Hence why Yaropolk wants people attacking bodies, he is after his demons and not a town victory.
Well, it has to be the 3 of us for obvious reasons. ATPG is the mafia and the target, Yaropolk and the other demon hunters are after demons and not wanting to end the game just yet. Just have to hope on some lucky rolls by CR.
Even if what you say is true, I don't see how killing ATPG tonight will change the result of the game at all from lynching him tomorrow, and he will certainly be lynched tomorrow. In addition, I'm just a scientist. Attacking with insufficient people is likely to get me killed and I'd prefer not to do that at this point in time. Without a 4th person I'm not willing to take the risk of attacking. As such, I will be digging up Kagemusha with the rest of them. I suggest you two change your orders to do the same so that you don't get an attack failure due to insufficient people.
The plan is acceptable, stick with it and we'll be fine. If the game ends with ATPG's death, the game will end in the next day phase.
Can I also remind you that ATPG straight up admitted (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2465586&viewfull=1#post2465586) that he was one of the people trying to kill Yaropolk? "Pulling a Spartan" my :daisy:, he was telling the truth. Think of it this way, if ATPG was telling the truth about himself not being mafia, he intentionally lost the game for himself by lying about W_E and getting his partner lynched. Do you seriously think that ATPG would sabotage his own victory with 8 players left in the game, one of which was his own ally? No, of course he wouldn't. Which means he didn't. W_E's death meant nothing to ATPG because ATPG still wins without him. The only way that's possible is if he's scum.
Well, there are a couple of facts.
1. My vote doesn't count for anything.
2. You decided to listen to me now? I mean, I was the one telling people to kill Pizza, but no one listens to me, so I choose not to kill Pizza and now people are bothering by what I am saying? I was telling you to lynch Pizza yesterday, and you was saying I was wrong and White_Eyes:D is obviously the choice to go.. now you go "White_Eyes:D isn't the choice" when it was you who personally constructed the argument against white_eyes:D in the first place saying I was wrong to vote against AskthePizzaGuy and attacking me for even suggesting him. Now you are using my own argument from last phase as your own, the one you attacked.
It begs the question, was you deliberately voting White_Eyes:D even though he wasn't scum on purpose and Beskar was right all along? Enlighten me.
Well, there are a couple of facts.
1. My vote doesn't count for anything.
2. You decided to listen to me now? I mean, I was the one telling people to kill Pizza, but no one listens to me, so I choose not to kill Pizza and now people are bothering by what I am saying? I was telling you to lynch Pizza yesterday, and you was saying I was wrong and White_Eyes:D is obviously the choice to go.. now you go "White_Eyes:D isn't the choice" when it was you who personally constructed the argument against white_eyes:D in the first place saying I was wrong to vote against AskthePizzaGuy and attacking me for even suggesting him. Now you are using my own argument from last phase as your own, the one you attacked.
It begs the question, was you deliberately voting White_Eyes:D even though he wasn't scum on purpose and Beskar was right all along? Enlighten me.
I find it funny that you responded to nothing that TinCow said and still maintain your vote on TinCow by ATPG. TinCow, Sasaki, it might be time to switch votes to Beskar to settle this question.
EDIT: Answering to your question, I changed grudgingly the vote from him as I was informed by Yaropolk that he feared WE's result more than ATPG, and in any case, we'd still be able to lynch ATPG this round.
EDIT: Answering to your question, I changed grudgingly the vote from him as I was informed by Yaropolk that he feared WE's result more than ATPG, and in any case, we'd still be able to lynch ATPG this round.
And you wondered why I didn't attack a corpse and but attacked Askthepizzaguy instead?
I mean, I am a townie, I know of a turkish threat, with half the people alive saying the dead people demons were hoax (for example, TinCow) and a self-confessed mafia (ATPG), why I went off and tried to get a party to attack this self-confessed mafia?
Also, even more funny, Joooray attacked me, who has been revealed numerous times as a townie with Subotan some how getting a copy of my role PM from CR (as I never gave it anyone) opposed to doing what Yaropolk said and not working with me in attacking a self-confessed Mafia. His excuse was that he was sure of a kill, but instead of trying, he does an fail attempt against me?
Also, you accuse me of being a Mafia, because I went off to try to kill AskthePizzaGuy? :laugh4: Now I am meant to be working with him, in some obvious fallacious story by the same people who said I was wrong to get ATPG in the first place and should have gone after White_Eyes:D ?
As I even posted in the thread during the night phase, I accused people of working for their own agenda opposed to getting a town victory. People here are now saying White_Eyes:D was a mistake even those I was the one who said killing ATPG was the way to go.
2. You decided to listen to me now? I mean, I was the one telling people to kill Pizza, but no one listens to me, so I choose not to kill Pizza and now people are bothering by what I am saying? I was telling you to lynch Pizza yesterday, and you was saying I was wrong and White_Eyes:D is obviously the choice to go.. now you go "White_Eyes:D isn't the choice" when it was you who personally constructed the argument against white_eyes:D in the first place saying I was wrong to vote against AskthePizzaGuy and attacking me for even suggesting him. Now you are using my own argument from last phase as your own, the one you attacked.
It begs the question, was you deliberately voting White_Eyes:D even though he wasn't scum on purpose and Beskar was right all along? Enlighten me.
I never said ATPG wasn't a good lynch choice, I just thought both ATPG and W_E were good lynches. The Palatinate clearly wanted W_E lynched first, and I felt I owed them a favor for not slaughtering half the town in their search for their supernatural beasties. Since I thought both were scum, it didn't make a difference to me which was lynched and so I saw no harm in deferring to Yaropolk's request. And yes, it was his request. I PMed him and asked him which of ATPG and W_E he preferred me to vote for, and he said W_E, so that's what I did. I told you in that PM I just quotes above that I was fully supportive of lynching ATPG today. I also told you that the reason I did not want to attack ATPG is because I only count as a traveller for vig kill purposes and thus believed that any kill I attempted with 2 other people would fail, and risk my own death. Please explain where in any of this I said that ATPG shouldn't die.
The Palatinate clearly wanted W_E lynched first, and I felt I owed them a favor for not slaughtering half the town in their search for their supernatural beasties. Since I thought both were scum, it didn't make a difference to me which was lynched and so I saw no harm in deferring to Yaropolk's request.
Yet if the ATPG choice was correct, it would ahve ended the game with a town victory. The palatinate wouldn't have got their major victory, that is correct, but the town would have won. My loyalities are to the town, not the Palatinate, I was working in the interest of the town.
Admittedly, here is the accountablity for last night -
Sasaki - Killing Kagemusha
Joooray - Attacking a townie.
Beskar - Attacking self-confessed scum
TinCow - Demon Attacker/Partner
Pizzaguy - Demon Attacker/Partner.
However, Jolt mentioned that both demons are dead. This actually opens up a new possibility. Perhaps both you and Pizza worked with the Palinate?
Sasaki, ATPG, TinCow - Demon Attacker
Beskar - Attacked Self-Confessed Mafia
Joooray - Attacked known townie.
This makes Joooray the best lynch choice of the round.
My vote isn't definite against you TinCow, I never said it was. It was mainly to generate discussion, though mainly of the wrong kind because there is a lot of very bad theories and it isn't a stretch that you could be scum, as it has been suggested and it has been thought by many people, all except Yaropolk apparently.
If you can convince Yaropolk so well, why not convince me? You probably investigated me yourself, I know I had at least 5 investigations on me. I am town. Why not cut the fog of GeneralHankerchief which some actual information which would be beneficial, then hiding in your dark corner of scum and WIFOM with the word of Yaropolk apparently being the reason you are meant to be good?
Sasaki, ATPG, TinCow - Demon Attacker
So. ATPG admitted to attacking Yaropolk... And you have proposed for the 1000th time that he still is attacking the demon that helps him? Such blatant lying for what?
So. ATPG admitted to attacking Yaropolk... And you have proposed for the 1000th time that he still is attacking the demon that helps him? Such blatant lying for what?
But you said ATPG isn't the demon...
Simply put, Kagemusha which was the original target, was killed. The other guy made an impossible huge leap over me, which means he's also a demon and not you. Since you obviously weren't going to attack your own demons, the only thing left is for you was to attack Beskar.
Yes, the two demons are dead people
So... Askthepizzaguy attacked Yaropolk, but he didn't because the demon is a dead person or some such or another, therefore he is the demon?
So who is the "blatant liar" Jolt? You are saying Pizza is and is not the demon who attacked Yaropolk, Pizzaguy cannot be both the demon and not the demon at the same time, it is either one or another.
Please use words and phrases in the right context, I haven't lied at all. On the otherhand, you are making zero sense then accuse others for lying even though they just said what you said yourself, unless what you said were "blatant lies" in the first place?
Sasaki, this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2467763&viewfull=1#post2467763)by Beskar seems to pretty clearly indicate he's fishing for anyone to lynch but ATPG. Shall we both join Joooray's vote against him?
But you said ATPG isn't the demon...
So... Askthepizzaguy attacked Yaropolk, but he didn't because the demon is a dead person or some such or another, therefore he is the demon?
So who is the "blatant liar" Jolt? You are saying Pizza is and is not the demon who attacked Yaropolk, Pizzaguy cannot be both the demon and not the demon at the same time, it is either one or another.
Please use words and phrases in the right context, I haven't lied at all. On the otherhand, you are making zero sense then accuse others for lying even though they just said what you said yourself, unless what you said were "blatant lies" in the first place?
You're the blatant liar. If you noticed, I said ATPG could be a necromancer (Surely that was erased through your selective memory process), which certainly doesn't invalidate attacking him.
Sasaki, this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2467763&viewfull=1#post2467763)by Beskar seems to pretty clearly indicate he's fishing for anyone to lynch but ATPG. Shall we both join Joooray's vote against him?
Interesting lie you did there. I never accused Sasaki of being a mafia, but I did accuse Pizzaguy, you and Joooray, which contradicts your "lynch anyone but ATPG" when I haven't actually defended ATPG at any point, unless saying alternatives is actually classed as defending? I outright stated he could be the mafia.
Sasaki, this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-In-Play&p=2467763&viewfull=1#post2467763)by Beskar seems to pretty clearly indicate he's fishing for anyone to lynch but ATPG. Shall we both join Joooray's vote against him?
:yes: Such arguments are beyond ridiculous. Either choice is good. Sasaki will deal with ATPG next night then.
Kagemusha
04-11-2010, 21:01
But you said ATPG isn't the demon...
So... Askthepizzaguy attacked Yaropolk, but he didn't because the demon is a dead person or some such or another, therefore he is the demon?
So who is the "blatant liar" Jolt? You are saying Pizza is and is not the demon who attacked Yaropolk, Pizzaguy cannot be both the demon and not the demon at the same time, it is either one or another.
Please use words and phrases in the right context, I haven't lied at all. On the otherhand, you are making zero sense then accuse others for lying even though they just said what you said yourself, unless what you said were "blatant lies" in the first place?
Nevermind Jolt.He is just confused because he has no idea who could be a demon he is looking for,while finding any demons would do little good to the remaining town as the town has no means to dispatch the remaining of my children. See as the kind thing i am.I traded my own life to the life of the only one who could kill me and my children.Jolt was just something extra.
You're the blatant liar. If you noticed, I said ATPG could be a necromancer (Surely that was erased through your selective memory process), which certainly doesn't invalidate attacking him.
:laugh4: No, I am not a blatant liar, that phrase does not mean what you think it means, blatant liar means some one who is obviously and intentionally not telling the truth, it doesn't mean "Exposing Jolt's obvious flaws and arguments". Also, I thought the Tooth Fairies powers cancelled out the Necromancer, especially when the Wizard of Oz casts a spell of redemption?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 21:02
How would it be possible for neither WE or Pizza to be guilty? And if there is a dead person still attacking us, we are screwed because we can't kill them without yaropolk. So, if it is possible for us to win, pizza must be the lynch.
The other scenario would be that a turk was still alive. But if Beskar was a turk he should have fought with pizza in his solo attack.
Nevermind Jolt.He is just confused because he has no idea who could be a demon he is looking for,while finding any demons would do little good to the remaining town as the town has no means to dispatch the remaining of my children. See as the kind thing i am.I traded my own life to the life of the only one who could kill me and my children.Jolt was just something extra.
See, I don't care the slightest bit for the dead demons. I'm trying to kill the alive people who allow the demons to attack (Necromancer anyone?). Once they're dead, no more dead people attacking anyone.
How would it be possible for neither WE or Pizza to be guilty? And if there is a dead person still attacking us, we are screwed because we can't kill them without yaropolk. So, if it is possible for us to win, pizza must be the lynch.
The other scenario would be that a turk was still alive. But if Beskar was a turk he should have fought with pizza in his solo attack.
That might be Joooray, which would explain his most odd votes and attacks (Turks needed two people to attack, since he's the only one, he can't harm much beyond his original powers).
The other scenario would be that a turk was still alive. But if Beskar was a turk he should have fought with pizza in his solo attack.
Beskar's done a complete 180 since yesterday and is now apparently impervious to logical reasoning. IMHO, he was recruited last night. We've already seen a plethora of Turks in the death reveals, more than I think any of us expected. Their recruiting power was obviously far greater than what we anticipated, so I'm marking Beskar down as a recruit last night.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 21:10
But joooray is a ranger, and proven not active during the killing.
Ok, this is getting silly. These are last nights actions:
Sasaki: attacking kage
Yaropolk: attacking kage--Named in write up
Jolt: protecting yaropolk--Named in writeup
Joooray: attacking beskar--has a track record of kills that fit his claimed role, distinctive methods, solo attack ability
Tincow: attacking kage--proven active during previous kills, presumed unrecruitable, doesn't seem suspicious at all
Beskar: attacking pizza--no one else left who could have attacked pizza, proof by process of elimination
Pizza: attacking yaropolk--only lynchable person left who could have attack yaropolk
Now, the person we are trying to lynch is the person who attack yaropolk along with kage last night. That person is pizza. Ergo, pizza should die.
How would it be possible for neither WE or Pizza to be guilty? And if there is a dead person still attacking us, we are screwed because we can't kill them without yaropolk. So, if it is possible for us to win, pizza must be the lynch.
If I was a turk, my attack would have not only gone ahead, but I would have killed Pizzaguy. In short, I am obvious not a turk or a demon or the Easter Bunny.
Perhaps as a town and not in the Clique Circle, I don't have the information and resources which absolve TinCow of all guilt and blame and what information I do have, makes him look incredibility susipicious and only thing against it is the word of Yaropolk. All I am asking is access to this information, then I know my vote is a bad choice or not. I am sure if our positions are reversed Sasaki, you would be sharing a similiar opinion to me.
Help us Joooray Kenobi, you're our only hope. :laugh:
Seriously, Joooray, please switch your vote to ATPG. It's the best option available to us. I think that's been pretty clearly demonstrated.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 21:15
Beskar's done a complete 180 since yesterday and is now apparently impervious to logical reasoning. IMHO, he was recruited last night. We've already seen a plethora of Turks in the death reveals, more than I think any of us expected. Their recruiting power was obviously far greater than what we anticipated, so I'm marking Beskar down as a recruit last night.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was "recruited" when Secura got the role of turk, and has been semi-working for them since. Doing a complete 180 etc is not necessarily evidence of actual recruitement. This indicates only one demon recruit:
You go home and go through one of your books on the thing you are hunting. There is a mention you haven't seen before that the creature may be able to turn one ordinary human into another demon, a slightly weaker 'child'.
If Beskar was a turkish recruit I would expect him to be able to solo attack. Solo attacking pizza doesn't make sense for a turkish recruit. We can lynch him tomorrow if it really comes to that.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 21:17
If I was a turk, my attack would have not only gone ahead, but I would have killed Pizzaguy. In short, I am obvious not a turk or a demon or the Easter Bunny.
Perhaps as a town and not in the Clique Circle, I don't have the information and resources which absolve TinCow of all guilt and blame and what information I do have, makes him look incredibility susipicious and only thing against it is the word of Yaropolk. All I am asking is access to this information, then I know my vote is a bad choice or not. I am sure if our positions are reversed Sasaki, you would be sharing a similiar opinion to me.
The demon can only recruit once, and TinCow has been proven to be otherwise engaged on a night when the demon recruit was active (the night Screwtape and Wormwood killed, TinCow was attempting to poison split).
Kagemusha
04-11-2010, 21:18
I wouldn't be surprised if he was "recruited" when Secura got the role of turk, and has been semi-working for them since. Doing a complete 180 etc is not necessarily evidence of actual recruitement. This indicates only one demon recruit:
If Beskar was a turkish recruit I would expect him to be able to solo attack. Solo attacking pizza doesn't make sense for a turkish recruit. We can lynch him tomorrow if it really comes to that.
So let me get your plain straight Sasaki. Today you will lynch ATGP, next you would lynch Beskar and if that doesnt help you will lynch Jooray? Quite the plan you have there.
Beskar's done a complete 180 since yesterday and is now apparently impervious to logical reasoning. IMHO, he was recruited last night. We've already seen a plethora of Turks in the death reveals, more than I think any of us expected. Their recruiting power was obviously far greater than what we anticipated, so I'm marking Beskar down as a recruit last night.
I haven't 180'd at all. Sorry that saying a vocal suspect of you, which I have done previously in the game = 180, even though I have never denied the fact Pizza could be Mafia.
The demon can only recruit once, and TinCow has been proven to be otherwise engaged on a night when the demon recruit was active (the night Screwtape and Wormwood killed, TinCow was attempting to poison split).
If that is true, then I am obviously not a recruit either. Which obviously sinks TinCow's ship about my apparent recruitment, because if I was Mafia, I would recruit TinCow and not Beskar for pretty obvious reasons.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 21:21
So let me get your plain straight Sasaki. Today you will lynch ATGP, next you would lynch Beskar and if that doesnt help you will lynch Jooray? Quite the plan you have there.
No, we'll lynch the gay parade today and presumably he'll flee town or something if he can't die.
Kagemusha
04-11-2010, 21:23
No, we'll lynch the gay parade today and presumably he'll flee town or something if he can't die.
Thats nasty of you to lynch gay parades, but i guess you have to do what you have to do.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 21:30
All I can really do is sit back and watch the carnage unfold. This is a disaster, but again, highly entertaining.
You know, guys, lynching me is as simple as telling me to vote for myself at this point. I really, really want to see you die.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 21:31
unvote, vote: Askthepizzaguy
Anyway, I will be honest, I enjoyed the drama.
It is what you guys get for completely ignoring me when I was telling you who to kill. This isn't a mafia action, this is a spiteful townie. If you listened to me, the game would have already been won by the town.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 21:33
But the demon would have gone on to slaughter other innocent people. Have you no empathy, Beskar?
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 21:34
I would like to play this song for the remaining Turk recruit, whoever he might be:
Congratulations (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8L_hLS21cw).
Not only did you avoid their wrath, but I could not find you myself after trying desperately for the entire game. You rule the world.
Anyway, I will be honest, I enjoyed the drama.
It is what you guys get for completely ignoring me when I was telling you who to kill. This isn't a mafia action, this is a spiteful townie. If you listened to me, the game would have already been won by the town.
In that regard, I fully admit we should have listened to you. I'm sorry we lynched W_E yesterday instead of ATPG, it should have been the other way around.
Now, will you help us win this thing?
But the demon would have gone on to slaughter other innocent people. Have you no empathy, Beskar?
You guys lynched my empathy.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 21:39
Pizza's defense is to claim that he straight up screwed the town over for no reason...I like it :2thumbsup:
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 21:43
Pizza's defense is to claim that he straight up screwed the town over for no reason...I like it :2thumbsup:
You guys screwed over my team for no reason when I told you to scan both me and White_Eyes, two rounds in a row you could have cleared us. You could have used us to vigilante kill as well, proving that we weren't demons if the demons also attacked.
I have literally nothing left to live for except to screw you over, and that is why I am voting myself. Not because I'm spiteful, because I was willing to vote for someone else this round. But, that's not going to happen now. I offered to help out, that offer is now rescinded.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 21:50
We scanned you instead of vigging you, and then you started the day off by claiming that WE had attacked Beskar (not true) and then went berserk confessing to being mafia, etc :laugh4:
You volunteered to help kill WE at one point.
I have literally nothing left to live for
Something tells me you're gonna have a change of mind a few minutes before the deadline.
Sasaki/TinCow, the safest thing to do is to shift the votes for Beskar. That way it doesn't matter what them both can do.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 21:53
Best to wait for joooray to show up and switch to Pizza.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 21:59
We scanned you instead of vigging you, and then you started the day off by claiming that WE had attacked Beskar (not true) and then went berserk confessing to being mafia, etc :laugh4:
You volunteered to help kill WE at one point.
White_Eyes TOLD ME he was going to attack Beskar.
He will even admit to that much.
I volunteered to help kill W_E IF HE WAS GUILTY, WHICH I KNEW HE WAS NOT.
I love how Joooray says about having a small group of us against a suspicious target would fail, but he is more than happy to try to solo-attempt a townie. :laugh4:
Well, my role pm clearly states, that I overall just qualify as a soldier in attack and protection groups, so I need three more soldiers or better to succeed. On the other hand, I have a special ability that can be attributed to the setup of my role, that I can solo kill as well (though obviously not as successful as in a group). So I know that I have a chance at solo-killing, while with an understaffed group I might get killed.
And all the things you said during the night, just made you the better target than anybody else, that's why I attacked you. :shrug:
But I have to admit, I might be wrong about you after all. Also your arguments on TC are convincing and to be honest I'm weary of being directed in my vote by some ominous third party that is clearly advancing it's own agenda.
So, Unvote; Vote: TinCow.
I'm weary of being directed in my vote by some ominous third party that is clearly advancing it's own agenda.
Yes, fear the ominous agenda that has worked hard to keep innocent people from getting killed by the superstitious.
At least I won't have to wait long to see you eat your words.
Also your arguments on TC are convincing and to be honest I'm weary of being directed in my vote by some ominous third party that is clearly advancing it's own agenda.
So, Unvote; Vote: TinCow.
:laugh4:
That's the stupidest, dumbest vote I have ever seen anyone make.
If his arguments are convincing, I'm Santa Claus. Anyways, as it appears, the demons have won. It is indeed frustrating to be so close to victory and see what just happened. Anyways:
ATPG: Demon Mafia
Beskar: Demon Mafia
Joooray: Turk
Sasaki: Townie
TinCow: Townie
Gg everyone.
ATPG: Demon Mafia
Beskar: Demon Mafia
Joooray: Turk
Sasaki: Townie
TinCow: Townie
Gg everyone.
Looks like your naughty list is inaccurate, Santa Claus, I am not Mafia.
But I would like to thank Joooray for confirming his scum role.
Shame you got it completely wrong while I was right, Jolt.
Looks like your naughty list is inaccurate, Santa Claus, I am not Mafia.
But I would like to thank Joooray for confirming his scum role.
Shame you got it completely wrong while I was right, Jolt.
Yes, yes, we all know your arguments defending an attack on someone on the basis of admitting to being scum and then not voting for him are entirely correct.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 22:45
Could you be suggesting that Beskar is scum and Joooray are scum, Jolt?
Why, that would make me the neutral swing vote I said I was all along.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 22:45
Joooray, if the remaining threat to the town is a demon, it is Pizza. No question. The information that yaro had said there could only be one demon recruit--that would be wormwood I assume. The recruit probably becomes stronger as time goes on. It's doubtful we can kill him at night--he killed jolt remember? TinCow, me, you and Beskar were all active the night of the screwtape+wormwood attack. So Pizza is the only person it could be. If the demons are the threat to the town remaining, then we need to lynch Pizza.
If the turks are the threat, then we will know that for sure when the game doesn't end upon Pizza's lynch. And then we will have one more shot at finding them, or a shot at vigging them (we probably can't vig the demon-child at this point).
Could you be suggesting that Beskar is scum and Joooray are scum, Jolt?
Why, that would make me the neutral swing vote I said I was all along.
Both are scum for lying and not being able to see simple facts.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 22:48
Both are scum for lying and not being able to see simple facts.
That's all I am really asking for.
Such a shame no one is even trying to grab my vote and move it.
Both are scum for lying and not being able to see simple facts.
You are the Turkish Spymaster then, Jolt?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 22:50
You are the Turkish Spymaster then, Jolt?
What's the point of this? Everyone knows the spymaster was lynched (psychonaut) and that Jolt is a sergeant.
What's the point of this? Everyone knows the spymaster was lynched (psychonaut) and that Jolt is a sergeant.
He's trying to discredit me. A bad attempt at it.
That's the stupidest, dumbest vote I have ever seen anyone make.
If his arguments are convincing, I'm Santa Claus. Anyways, as it appears, the demons have won. It is indeed frustrating to be so close to victory and see what just happened. Anyways:
ATPG: Demon Mafia
Beskar: Demon Mafia
Joooray: Turk
Sasaki: Townie
TinCow: Townie
Gg everyone.GAH
You are a traveler. Perhaps you've been to distant lands; perhaps you're only two days' ride from your hometown. Wherever your past travels have been, fate has conspired to bring you to this old Austrian fortress. It has been four years since the latest long war between the Hapsburgs and the Turks. The only thing that seems certain is that there will be war again. You are also a member of the Lodge of Vienna Freemasons, an organization devoted to bettering mankind.
You[Beskar] and a fellow freemason, a completely inoffensive name -
What's the point of this? Everyone knows the spymaster was lynched (psychonaut) and that Jolt is a sergeant.
If I am "scum" for not seeing simple facts, it would mean Jolt is the Turkish Spymaster.
He's trying to discredit me.
I don't need to, you discredited yourself.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 22:57
Beskar, are you voting to lynch Pizza at the moment?
GAH
That effectively proves nothing, except that he started as a freemason.
I thought it was also proved that he couldn't have been recruited
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 23:02
I thought it was also proved that he couldn't have been recruited
He couldn't have been recruited by the demons. He could have been recruited by the turks--in fact it seems like he's the only one, given that none of the other power roles seem to be recruitable by the turks (that would include me, joooray, and TinCow).
Earlier I was thinking that the fact that his solo attack failed meant he couldn't be a turk recruit. However I see no reason why turk recruits wouldn't still be rather weak at fighting.
Ah, I see. His role does prevent him from attacking solo though.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 23:08
Ah, I see. His role does prevent him from attacking solo though.
Oh yes. It seems like if he was a turk he would have gone ahead and fought with pizza, instead of just running away methos-style. So that effectively means that either:
A) the demon-child is the last threat, and we should lynch pizza
B) for some reason, one of the power roles was randomly susceptible to turk recruitment, which would mean that Pizza, TinCow, or Joooray could be guilty.
Since Pizza is on both lists, he's the obvious choice.
I thought it was also proved that he couldn't have been recruited
Ah, didn't realize that. I was not aware of that, I assumed they could.
Where is it said that Beskar can't be recruited to the Demon Cult?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2010, 23:19
Where is it said that Beskar can't be recruited to the Demon Cult?
Based on what CR said to Yaro, the demon can only create one child. And the child has been killing while beskar was otherwise engaged.
However I see no reason why turk recruits wouldn't still be rather weak at fighting.
They're definitely not all powerful... the first Turk death (AVSM) was in a failed kill attempt.
Askthepizzaguy
04-11-2010, 23:26
Dum dee dum dee dum dee dum.
Jolt told me to lynch myself, and so I shall.
Dum dee dum dee dum dee dum.
Turk/demon victory.
Where is it said that Beskar can't be recruited to the Demon Cult?
Simple facts, dear Jolt, simple facts. :laugh4:
Simple facts, dear Jolt, simple facts. :laugh4:
Based on what CR said to Yaro, the demon can only create one child. And the child has been killing while beskar was otherwise engaged.
Notice the bolded part. If I knew the "facts" privately told by CR to everyone, I would have already won the game.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-12-2010, 00:08
Yes. I think the first time that's been quoted is this round, and Kage was even claiming to have "children". Without that bit from CR beskar could very easily be a demon recruit.
Reenk Roink
04-12-2010, 00:17
The everyday struggles of the town (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDbEX666G3Y&feature=fvw)
specially dedicated to Jolt and Sasaki :wink: :beam:
Nevermind, Sasaki and Jolt deserve it for sure, but it has got to be specially dedicated to Jooray for sure. :beam: :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-12-2010, 00:19
Lol, I did almost the same thing in a soccer game once. The goalie was there at least, but I slipped on some loose dirt as I tried to shoot and it basically rolled to a stop at his feet.
Reenk Roink
04-12-2010, 00:20
Lol, I did almost the same thing in a soccer game once. The goalie was there at least, but I slipped on some loose dirt as I tried to shoot and it basically rolled to a stop at his feet.
The Stars did win in overtime though... Hmmm :wink:
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 00:23
Turks totally deserve to win this game based on the amount of misfortunes they had to overcome just to even get here.
It's like rooting for Haudegen to win Capo III at this point.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-12-2010, 00:25
Aaaand who is the turk, Pizza?
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 00:25
Aaaand who is the turk, Pizza?
I'll never tell. It's lynch Pizzaguy day, remember?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-12-2010, 00:28
I'll never tell I can't think of anything plausible. It's lynch Pizzaguy day, remember? I give up!
Ok :book:
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 00:34
You've got some fight in you, Sasaki. I like that. So when you give up so easily, I am saddened.
White_eyes:D
04-12-2010, 00:47
I have never seen Sasaki "give up":cool:.....TinCow did say that "If Sasaki ever needed help getting out of a lynch, he would quit mafia games" or something like that.:bounce:
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 00:52
Just saying. No other possible theories besides ATPG is scum, so obvious lynch is obvious.
That's the kind of lazy thinking that dooms us all. DOOM I tells ye.
Just saying. No other possible theories besides ATPG is scum, so obvious lynch is obvious.
That's the kind of lazy thinking that dooms us all. DOOM I tells ye.
Dooms you.
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 01:03
Dooms you.
Ask not for whom the Doom Dooms. It Dooms for thee.
Ask not for whom the Doom Dooms. It Dooms for thee.
I've already faced my doom.
Just saying. No other possible theories besides ATPG is scum, so obvious lynch is obvious.
That's the kind of lazy thinking that dooms us all. DOOM I tells ye.
Well, you ARE the only person alive with no alibi (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoXORtIibwQ) on any night that the Shampires were killing. That does somewhat stack the evidence against you...
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 01:14
I've already faced my doom.
Now you shall face a doom worse than doom, the doom to end all dooms, the doomtastic doom of doomness. The greatest and most final doom, the superdoom. When you face this doomiest of dooms, you will be doomed to your doomtitude for an entire eternity of DOOM:
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/Doom.jpg
When do you get lynched again?
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 01:21
When do you get lynched again?
Sometime in the next couple hours I believe.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-12-2010, 01:22
Although I think it's 3:2 with Pizza's vote being the decider for some ridiculous reason.
Hmm. Shame I won't be up to see the fireworks.
Crazed Rabbit
04-12-2010, 01:27
Current Tally:
Tincow: 2 (Beskar, Joooray)
ATPG: 3 (Sasaki, Tincow, ATPG)
Round ends in 6 1/2 hours.
CR
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 01:43
Because I'm the DECIDER.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/Decider.jpg
Yaropolk
04-12-2010, 03:18
Jooray / Beskar, I have faith one of you isn't scum, now change your vote to ATPG!
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 03:54
Jooray / Beskar, I have faith one of you isn't scum
And that... is why you fail.
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 07:57
Unvote: Askthepizzaguy
Vote: TinCow
for obvious reasons.
Crazed Rabbit
04-12-2010, 08:01
Voting is ended.
Write up coming soon.
CR
Kagemusha
04-12-2010, 08:07
Tincow. I Guess you are about to find out if there is anything supernatural in this world.:evil:
Crazed Rabbit
04-12-2010, 08:48
The Shadow Fort, end of day twelve.
Gerard checked the clock.
"Ah, the time is upon us," he said, going down to the hall.
"Well, everything seems to be in order. Somebody grab Askthe..." Gerard trailed off as he shuffled, unseeing, the votes through his hands and looked at Askthepizzaguy.
A thin smile crept across ATPG's face. In his hand he held his old ballot. Gerard quickly looked at the papers in his hand. For a full minute he did not speak.
"Tincow? You voted for Tincow?" Gerard stared at a single man, then his face contorted, seemingly in rage. But then a grin appeared on his fevered face, gradually taking hold. Finally the mad grin took control, and he could barely contain laughter as he began to walk to Tincow.
Fear crept into Tincow's eyes, and he looked around, but the others were backing away from the approaching commander.
Gerard drew his sword, rage flooded into his face, and with a fierce cry and flash of his blade he cut Tincow's neck open. Tincow could only gurgle as blood poured out, desperate hands seeking to stem the flow as he fell to the ground and died.
Gerard began to laugh, a great crazed guffaw, eventually dropping his sword and bending over, holding his sides. He continued even after all the air in his lungs was gone, and he silently gasped for air. The survivors continued to back away cautiously.
Finally Gerard looked up and spoke, "I so very look forward to seeing who you vote for tomorrow!" his face betraying genuine eagerness, "If you live!"
And then he resumed laughing. The remaining survivors did not hear him stop; they moved out of range of hearing long before the laughter finally ended.
It is now the night phase! This phase will end in 30 hours, at 7 am PST Tuesday April 13!
Alive:
Beskar
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
Askthepizzaguy
Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6
Beefy187 D7
Captain Blackadder D8
Yaseikhaan D9
Sigurd D10
White_eyes:D D11
TinCow D12
Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6
Scienter N7
Reenk Roink N7
Renata N7
Methos N8
Csargo N8
ACIN N8
spL1tp3r50naL1ty N8
atheotes N9
Yaropolk N11
Jolt N11
Forced to Wander the Snow:
Double A
Someone just lost the game for the town. Fortunately, it wasn't me. Good luck living this one down, whoever you are. :stare:
White_eyes:D
04-12-2010, 12:17
You see what not getting Pizzaguy lynched when you had the chance, TinCow?:stare:
If you think it's a good idea to leave him alive, when he used his "Mason partner" as a lynchgoat....you need to have your "mafia sense" checked:juggle2:
Kagemusha
04-12-2010, 12:23
I told you people.You are finished.
Yaropolk
04-12-2010, 12:39
So everyone alive can kill and is against each other. This should be good! Sits back and gets out the popcorn.
You see what not getting Pizzaguy lynched when you had the chance, TinCow?:stare:
If you think it's a good idea to leave him alive, when he used his "Mason partner" as a lynchgoat....you need to have your "mafia sense" checked:juggle2:
You'll have to forgive me for assuming that the Palatinate knew what they were doing. My faith in my own role PM ended when a killer was impaled on a sword, didn't seem to care about it, and survived. That was not exactly realistic, to say the least. Under those circumstances, I assumed they knew more about the threat than I did and followed their lead.
Honestly, there's not a single thing I would do differently in this game if I had to do it over again. My kill rate was so slow that I had no chance whatsoever of achieving my goals by killing. Diplomacy was my only option, and under those circumstances cooperation with the Palatinate was necessary. :shrug:
Yaropolk
04-12-2010, 14:14
White Eyes - you were just as happy to accuse ATPG that round. I wrote both of you off as scum, and I have yet to see evidence to your innocense.
Reenk Roink
04-12-2010, 15:29
Man, I'm beginning to feel sympathy for the town here. Well the town is now all dead but the pro-town side. The bad decisions made are staggering, and all the classic signs are there: over reliance on weak detective results (Subo and I chucked those as soon as we got the first wind of the unreliability) and hyper analysis and the utilization of a pro town network (generally elite role networks work better than one with townies, but here without good detectives it is not so).
The worst part is, the town never made many decisions, it was all in the hands of power roles. You should have rose up and challenged your "masters" because you would probably make better decisions for yourselves. Then again, kinda like in real life, just having a vote doesn't matter. :shrug:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-12-2010, 16:06
That was pathetic...
Yaropolk
04-12-2010, 16:24
Man, I'm beginning to feel sympathy for the town here. Well the town is now all dead but the pro-town side. The bad decisions made are staggering, and all the classic signs are there: over reliance on weak detective results (Subo and I chucked those as soon as we got the first wind of the unreliability) and hyper analysis and the utilization of a pro town network (generally elite role networks work better than one with townies, but here without good detectives it is not so).
The worst part is, the town never made many decisions, it was all in the hands of power roles. You should have rose up and challenged your "masters" because you would probably make better decisions for yourselves. Then again, kinda like in real life, just having a vote doesn't matter. :shrug:
Meh, if the town followed the party line to the end it woudl be over by now. It's those gosh darned mavericks who decided to rise up against the masters that missed an easy victory.
Man, I'm beginning to feel sympathy for the town here. Well the town is now all dead but the pro-town side. The bad decisions made are staggering, and all the classic signs are there: over reliance on weak detective results (Subo and I chucked those as soon as we got the first wind of the unreliability) and hyper analysis and the utilization of a pro town network (generally elite role networks work better than one with townies, but here without good detectives it is not so).
The worst part is, the town never made many decisions, it was all in the hands of power roles. You should have rose up and challenged your "masters" because you would probably make better decisions for yourselves. Then again, kinda like in real life, just having a vote doesn't matter. :shrug:
Some of us tried. I did tell ATPG at one point that I would not be taking any further suggestions; amazingly I wound up dead that same night. I think his concern about me may have been at least in part that the next vig group I organized might be directed at him; and he may have been right about that, if so.
I honestly don't think the pro-towns and neutrals ever quite realized just how screwed we townies were. I hadn't quite realized it myself yet by the time I was killed, but it was heading that way.
I don't really know what alternative we had, though. We were killed off one by one on the assumption that anyone who was not a verifiable power role was a suspect, which to some extent was a decent assumption (see: Psychonaut, Yaseikhaan and Captain Blackadder, all Turks), it just required way too much collateral damage along the way. I'm just sort of baffled as how to approach a game like this, really. Detective results are guaranteed wrong, I don't know why anyone's even bothering. Analysis is greatly hampered by recruitment and delayed death reveals. What's left?
I tried the night action route; despite the ultimate outcome and failure to attract any recruitment attempts, it kept me alive longer than most. Is that the most I could have hoped for?
Despite all this whining I really did have a fun time with this game, I'm just ... baffled.
seireikhaan
04-12-2010, 16:33
Ah, what a refreshing change from the cocky attitude carried just a couple rounds ago.
atheotes
04-12-2010, 16:54
Man, I'm beginning to feel sympathy for the town here. Well the town is now all dead but the pro-town side. The bad decisions made are staggering, and all the classic signs are there: over reliance on weak detective results (Subo and I chucked those as soon as we got the first wind of the unreliability) and hyper analysis and the utilization of a pro town network (generally elite role networks work better than one with townies, but here without good detectives it is not so).
The worst part is, the town never made many decisions, it was all in the hands of power roles. You should have rose up and challenged your "masters" because you would probably make better decisions for yourselves. Then again, kinda like in real life, just having a vote doesn't matter. :shrug:
I tried asking questions but i was deemed suspect because of that... :shrug: We needed a lot of votes to challenge the vote block that had been formed...but there was no support or perhaps there were not enough townies left. I cant understand some of the decisions that were made. It would be interesting to see the ratio of kills.
I think i tried my best...I was calling for the lynch of Blackadder when Beefy got lynched and i was the original bandwagon for that day. And I was the last simple townie (not a neutral or any other power role) left alive. :smug:
I did have a lot of fun though...
There is atleast one among Jooray and Beskar (looks like he was recruited) who has been duped. It will be interesting what happens in the night.
Actually, I was just in bed when all this happened. Thought the round ended at one. Blame the Time Zones.
atheotes
04-12-2010, 17:05
Actually, I was just in bed when all this happened. Thought the round ended at one. Blame the Time Zones.
Are you implying that you would have changed your vote?
Are you implying that you would have changed your vote?
Yes. It was 3-2 against Pizza, I saw no reason to change at the time, especially as I thought the end was going to end.
Yes. It was 3-2 against Pizza, I saw no reason to change at the time, especially as I thought the end was going to end.
For your sake, I hope you're scum and are just keeping up pretenses for a reason I can't understand.
atheotes
04-12-2010, 17:55
Yes. It was 3-2 against Pizza, I saw no reason to change at the time, especially as I thought the end was going to end.
the fact that Pizza's self vote had put him in the lead was not reason enough? :laugh4:
Well, Joooray is going to attack me again tonight and most likely kill me. So you got nothing to worry about.
I haven't been able to post for the last twenty-four hours, but I've been watching this thread with considerable intrigue and I have to say that there is a great sense of irony in what has just occured.
It would appear that the arbitrators of the town's downfall count the town's first lynches among their number, no?
I think I have learned my lesson, not to attack you again.
I also think we both been played.
I think I have learned my lesson, not to attack you again.
I also think we both been played.
:laugh4: Like I would trust that?
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 18:49
I suppose this is your last chance to redeem yourselves.
I am available tonight if you want to do a night kill, gentlemen. Perhaps you'll set your skepticism aside for just one night?
I suppose this is your last chance to redeem yourselves.
I am available tonight if you want to do a night kill, gentlemen. Perhaps you'll set your skepticism aside for just one night?
Kill Joooray. That's what he deserves and nothing will make me happier. Now I can only cheer for your side who was so blatantly recognized by everyone and Joooray did what he did.
EDIT: Though I'm not surprised I was right all along. If you thought that obvious play in MSN was gonna change anything, you were dead wrong.
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 21:08
Kill Joooray. That's what he deserves and nothing will make me happier. Now I can only cheer for your side who was so blatantly recognized by everyone and Joooray did what he did.
EDIT: Though I'm not surprised I was right all along. If you thought that obvious play in MSN was gonna change anything, you were dead wrong.
It worked though, last round and this one. White_Eyes is dead, largely due to my being scummy and then defending him as if my life depended on it, and for this past round, even if you weren't persuaded, Beskar was.
But I wasn't lying about one thing, I am and always was neutral in the town's struggle against the Turks. You guys have elected to destroy me instead of your greater threat, and so, like everything I said about the demons, the fact that they were dead, and that lynches do nothing to them, my advice here against the final Turk will also be ignored and you guys have no one to blame but yourselves.
I am aware I am about to die, but the game is and always was in your hands. I have handed you the gun, and you have elected to shoot me instead of the guy pointing a gun at your head. Now you will witness the final destruction of the Paladin/townie alliance, and the end of your insignificant rebellion against Turkish rule.
One last word: I told you so.
Now show me your warrior fierceness, Sasaki. You will die like all the others before you, and when the moment of your death has arrived, I will rip the lungs from your chest, and literally feast upon your final breath.
It worked though, last round and this one. White_Eyes is dead, largely due to my being scummy and then defending him as if my life depended on it, and for this past round, even if you weren't persuaded, Beskar was.
Considering next round I only switched the vote from you to WE at the insistency of Sasaki and Yaropolk, and this round I never believed for a second that you were true in your self-lynch (Actually, why did you even bother to change it in the first place. Nothing would have changed.), makes me pretty much on to you from the first moment you revealed. I initially believed Beskar might be a townie, but then he screwed it up this day by defending you. And then Joooray just showed that the town was outnumbered by this point.
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 21:20
Come now, being dead isn't so bad. I rather enjoy it. Just look at my toothy grin.
Considering next round I only switched the vote from you to WE at the insistency of Sasaki and Yaropolk, and this round I never believed for a second that you were true in your self-lynch (Actually, why did you even bother to change it in the first place. Nothing would have changed.), makes me pretty much on to you from the first moment you revealed. I initially believed Beskar might be a townie, but then he screwed it up this day by defending you. And then Joooray just showed that the town was outnumbered by this point.
Justin says hi. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0-m3xKdP9k)
I used to think that that was a song about a River in the Crimea.
Justin says hi. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0-m3xKdP9k)
I'm not whining. I'm just pointing out to ATPG that his ingenious strategy wasn't so ingenious after all.
EDIT: Since the town cannot win anymore, I'm merely content with the fact that Joooray is going to be dead before the end. And since Kagemusha is dead, we still have to see if a single demon can attack alone.
Since the town cannot win anymore
Only a coward acknowledges the existence of all being lost in battle.
A little tidbit from Nietszche that I think you should hold to heart. :3
What about some Sartre?
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[I]My whole life is behind me. I see it completely, I see its shape and the slow movements which have brought me this far. There is little to say about it: a lost game, that's all. Three years ago I came solemnly to Bouville. I had lost the first round. I wanted to play the second and I lost again: I lost the whole game. At the same time, I learned that you always lose. Only the rascals think they win. Now I am going to be like Anny, I am going to outlive myself. Eat, sleep, sleep, eat. Exist slowly, softly, like these trees, like a puddle of water, like the red bench in the streetcar.
White_eyes:D
04-12-2010, 23:05
White Eyes - you were just as happy to accuse ATPG that round. I wrote both of you off as scum, and I have yet to see evidence to your innocense.
Isn't it odd that TinCow didn't pick anything up?:juggle:
I was one of the last people to be investigated by the group and I turn up demon, due to you having a "weird feeling" about a sword in my room?:inquisitive:
Everyone knew you were going to investigate me that night....so either you forged those or someone messed up your results...Sigurd seemed pretty happy about your results...:stare:
I even warned you guys that I was the only thing keeping Pizzaguy for getting a solo attack for himself....but no....White_eyes:D's has a "demonic sword" in his room....sounds like a witch-burning:laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 23:10
BTW White_Eyes... if you had been slightly more flexible regarding who we killed at night or if we killed at all, I would never have even attempted to get you killed. Your vote and your ability to provide me with an alibi was invaluable. And, I don't believe I had any motive to kill you. I needed you dead so I could kill with Kagemusha freely. I regret our partnership turned out the way it did.
In case you have any regrets, your stubbornness actually caused there to be fewer vampire kills because I was too busy killing people you approved of. You tied my hands quite well all game. You were my greatest frenemy.
White_eyes:D
04-12-2010, 23:10
You'll have to forgive me for assuming that the Palatinate knew what they were doing. My faith in my own role PM ended when a killer was impaled on a sword, didn't seem to care about it, and survived. That was not exactly realistic, to say the least. Under those circumstances, I assumed they knew more about the threat than I did and followed their lead.
Honestly, there's not a single thing I would do differently in this game if I had to do it over again. My kill rate was so slow that I had no chance whatsoever of achieving my goals by killing. Diplomacy was my only option, and under those circumstances cooperation with the Palatinate was necessary. :shrug: And you need to look where it landed you..:laugh4:
Lynched by ATPG's self-vote....not a good way to go:no:
White_eyes:D
04-12-2010, 23:16
BTW White_Eyes... if you had been slightly more flexible regarding who we killed at night or if we killed at all, I would never have even attempted to get you killed. Your vote and your ability to provide me with an alibi was invaluable. And, I don't believe I had any motive to kill you. I needed you dead so I could kill with Kagemusha freely. I regret our partnership turned out the way it did.
In case you have any regrets, your stubbornness actually caused there to be fewer vampire kills because I was too busy killing people you approved of. You tied my hands quite well all game. You were my greatest frenemy. Yeah, and also the nicest lynchgoat...at least TinCow was lynched for following a decived group:bounce:
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 23:24
:shocked:
You've got quite the spiteful streak in you, don't you White_Eyes? :laugh4:
Honestly TinCow did an excellent job. I can't assign much blame on him.
White_eyes:D
04-12-2010, 23:27
:shocked:
You've got quite the spiteful streak in you, don't you White_Eyes? :laugh4:
Honestly TinCow did an excellent job. I can't assign much blame on him.
I gave him TONS of information before I was lynched....what does he do with it? throws it away and follows the "Paladin group".:rolleyes:
Askthepizzaguy
04-12-2010, 23:29
I can hear an almost cartoonish amount of disgust when you typed "paladin" group. :grin:
Although given who lynched you I can't say I totally blame you.
White_eyes:D
04-12-2010, 23:37
Nice quote in your sig:laugh4:
I gave him TONS of information before I was lynched....what does he do with it? throws it away and follows the "Paladin group".:rolleyes:
The information you sent me was worthless. It was all stuff I already knew from early in the game that had no value in finding the scum at that point.
White_eyes:D
04-12-2010, 23:42
Not really....but it showed that ATPG was doing anything to save his bacon....even you should have seen that:laugh4:
Not really....but it showed that ATPG was doing anything to save his bacon....even you should have seen that:laugh4:
I apologize for single-handedly losing the game for everyone. Please forgive me.
I apologize for single-handedly losing the game for everyone. Please forgive me.
I think it was more of a team effort. :3
White_eyes:D
04-12-2010, 23:56
I apologize for single-handedly losing the game for everyone. Please forgive me.
Well, we made many mistakes...(I knew ATPG was acting weird, right after night one?). But me and ATPG were "Bodyguard partners", so I should have seen that lynch coming....I can't exactly change other people's investigation results though...and when I saw you turned me up "innocent"...I decide to reveal some pretty scummy things(like me not attacking Beskar).:yes:
To me you were the last hope of town....till, you put the noose around my neck...:hanged:
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 00:04
Night one, two, and three I was still a noble guard I believe. Any unusual behavior back then, just a figment of a hyperactive imagination.
Also TinCow quite obviously did not single-handedly lose the game, for the record... I think it was more of a team DANG IT SECURA!!!
I think it was more of a team DANG IT SECURA!!!
I am omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent.
White_eyes:D
04-13-2010, 00:13
Hmmmm....my "Mafia sense" may or may not have failed me:laugh4:(That was right around the time, I tried to warn pevergreen about you. After he died there was no point to it anymore...quite odd he died the night right after:yes:)
Why is it that no one listens? Is my "Mafia playing" just that bad?:wall:
Kagemusha
04-13-2010, 00:27
Why are you speaking as the game is over while it isnt?The town is doomed but you still have your last stand to make.It isnt over untill it is over.So lets see this through.
White_eyes:D
04-13-2010, 00:31
I need to learn to read "between the lines" when I get my role PM....crafty CR:deal2:
I am dead...no point to that:shrug:
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 00:36
Hmmmm....my "Mafia sense" may or may not have failed me:laugh4:(That was right around the time, I tried to warn pevergreen about you. After he died there was no point to it anymore...quite odd he died the night right after:yes:)
Why is it that no one listens? Is my "Mafia playing" just that bad?:wall:
When I was innocent, you believed I was scum. When I became scum, you already trusted me. You're not bad at this game (not always) because you have your moments of brilliance. You were just really paranoid for no reason at the beginning, which was bad, and then you trusted me after I became scum, which was also bad, but at that point no one could blame you.
If I were to critique your play style, you role claim too early, under very little pressure, too often. You're paranoid sometimes when you need not be, and not when you need be. But that's mafia, that's how it will happen for everyone. Then again you got Joooray et al to trust me and not kill me in Capo III, so you were the most level-headed one there that time.
As for me, I talk too much, and that makes me a scan target. I was scanned, and attempted to be recruited from day one by no less than two factions, and a third considered it before it was rejected. You guys never leave me alone, and this is the result. Bad things happen when you all crawl up my bum every game.
White_eyes:D
04-13-2010, 00:49
I was paranoid for a good reason.....I just wish I would have seen it back then...:shame:
After pevergreen died, why would I even suspect you? as far as I was concerned "I LOST", I was even agreeing with Sasaki's "scorched earth" policy:bounce:....then I was careless and didn't care anymore(Much like when you take a toy away from a child~:mecry:)
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 00:52
What reason? I was on your team, legitimately, for the entire time you were paranoid about me.
There was no reason, just White_Eyes being White_Eyes. Just like in the Pirate ship mafia... you freaked yourself out and ran away from my group and contributed nothing after that, and I was correct in chalking that up to you being you. If you're not freaking out for no reason, you're mafia.
White_eyes:D
04-13-2010, 00:55
Wait till the game is over, then you can goat over it:laugh4:
I am dead and cannot reveal anything.....but my "paranoia" was definitely for a good reason:beam:
Myrddraal
04-13-2010, 00:55
Wow...
I've been away the last few days, just caught up on the thread. What a ride, topped off by excellent write ups by CR :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 00:56
Wait till the game is over, then you can goat over it:laugh4:
I am dead and cannot reveal anything.....but my "paranoia" was definitely for a good reason:beam:
WIFOM: White_Eyes Is Freaking Out Man :laugh4:
White_eyes:D
04-13-2010, 01:01
What reason? I was on your team, legitimately, for the entire time you were paranoid about me.
Like I said....till pevergreen died:shrug:
And WIFOM can be used anytime though I perfer the "strawman"..:bounce:
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 01:03
My favorite maneuver is mind control. I have voodoo dolls representing all the players here, and I poke their doll brains with needles until they do as I say.
I must apologize to Beskar for the thing I did to him with the cranberries. I'm pretty sure he's scarred for life now.
Kagemusha
04-13-2010, 01:03
Sasaki. prepare to die.Didnt i tell you from the start you should die.You dont have to wait much longer.
This game at the moment is like the end of the first world war.
https://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1482/highres30012887.jpg
In Picture: Sasaki Kojiro as Clemenceau, Beskar as David Lloyd George and Pizza as Woodrow Wilson. Off Picture: Joooray as Italian Prime-Minister Orlando.
Sasaki Kojiro is Clemenceau; pointing his finger at everyone and anyone.
AskthePizzaGuy is Wilson; makes lots of claims and promises, then vanishes at the last minute.
Beskar is David Lloyd George; by default for being British and in the middle.
Joooray is Orlando, walking out of the treaty talks because he isn't getting what he thinks he deserves.
White_eyes:D
04-13-2010, 01:06
My favorite maneuver is mind control. I have voodoo dolls representing all the players here, and I poke their doll brains with needles until they do as I say.
I must apologize to Beskar for the thing I did to him with the cranberries. I'm pretty sure he's scarred for life now.I know....talk about scary how that just opened the way for you?:grin2:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-13-2010, 01:13
Sasaki. prepare to die.Didnt i tell you from the start you should die.You dont have to wait much longer.
Yaropalk has taught me well. I can control my fear. The Paladins will have vengeance.
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 01:22
I have a bad feeling about this.
White_eyes:D
04-13-2010, 01:24
Sasaki:Last of the Paladins
Askthepizzaguy:Last of the Demon mafia
Beskar:Last of the townies
Joooray:Last of the Turk mafia
This is going to be a blood bath.....I better get some popcorn for this and maybe watch something too:laugh4:
Victory conditions FTW:bounce:
I have a bad feeling about this.
Don't have. There's nothing Sasaki can do about anything.
Beskar:Last of the townies
Wait, you still believe this? Excuse me as I go off to kill myself.
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 01:26
Don't have. There's nothing Sasaki can do about anything.
I'm pretty sure he can look pretty badass while removing my head in combat.
My last words will be "there's a guy right behind you about to do the same thing...."
Kagemusha
04-13-2010, 01:27
Yaropalk has taught me well. I can control my fear. The Paladins will have vengeance.
Have no fear as no doubt you are going to a better place.:bow:
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 01:28
Have no fear as no doubt you are going to a better place.:bow:
I've been in the pile of corpses, and I can tell you it's actually a stinky place.
White_eyes:D
04-13-2010, 01:29
Wait, you still believe this? Excuse me as I go off to kill myself.
Yes, because you guys were "OH so right about me":mellow:
Wait, you still believe this? Excuse me as I go off to kill myself.
If there were no town left, the game would have ended.
Kagemusha
04-13-2010, 01:31
I've been in the pile of corpses, and I can tell you it's actually a stinky place.
Talking to me about being in pile of corpses.I was there from the second round.I doubt i ever loose the stench
Yes, because you guys were "OH so right about me":mellow:
I was. I was the one who pointed out that Yaropolk's result didn't incriminate you in anyway. But I take solace in knowing that I did the best judgement with the information at hand and it was beyond my power to actually change the votes of Yaropolk or Sasaki or TinCow to ATPG.
If there were no town left, the game would have ended.
First, there is still Sasaki. Second CR said the game only ends when one faction eliminates all other opposed to it. So even if Sasaki dies tomorrow, Beskar and ATPG still have to take care of Joooray.
White_eyes:D
04-13-2010, 01:35
If there were no town left, the game would have ended.
I was going to say this....but the Paladin group is...https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd184/ellabellalynn/stubborn.jpg:balloon2:
And so far, they have good record of killing off there own guys for "Victory condition's"....why not town too?:book:
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 01:36
Lynching me would have had no effect. Best bet was to lynch the Turk and then come after me that night with a big, sharp, metal axe. You could say that you were going to be offering me fascinating employment opportunities, and then I would perk up and go "really?" and then you'd be like, yeah, we're headhunters.
*CHOP*
Lynching me would have had no effect.
Yes, I'm sure it wouldn't. Now that we are at it, I am in fact still alive too. :yes:
First, there is still Sasaki.
Sasaki isn't really town, he is a neutral faction, the same applies to Joooray; the whole issue with the Turks was an aside to their true goal of beastie hunting.
So even if Sasaki dies tomorrow, Beskar and ATPG still have to take care of Joooray.
So which of these three are you professing to be 'town' now?
Sasaki isn't really town, he is a neutral faction, the same applies to Joooray; the whole issue with the Turks was an aside to their true goal of beastie hunting.
As I am part of the town, and Sasaki early on claimed to have a very similar role to mine (1 Sargeant, 1 Warrior) and that so far he hasn't done anything suspicious (Except arguing for WE's lynch after ATPG's reveal), then it's pretty much known to me that he is from Town.
So which of these three are you professing to be 'town' now?
Sasaki is the only town left.
Crazed Rabbit
04-13-2010, 01:47
FYI
The game is not over, nor is the end set in stone.
CR
On this video during the joke at 1 minute 30 seconds in, will be the exact same face Jolt will pull when CR reveals me as a townie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32pq2QycIEA
(The whole scene is by Francis Steward, good comedian.)
On this video during the joke at 1 minute 30 seconds in, will be the exact same face Jolt will pull when CR reveals me as a townie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32pq2QycIEA
(The whole scene is by Francis Steward, good comedian.)
Believe me, if you are indeed a townie, then you'll have sunk deep in my consideration. Very, very, very deep.
EDIT: As so far every bit of evidence as well as your behaviour defending a self-confessed mafioso (Who, mind you, never even retracted on any of his comments), who has no alibi in the nights of the demon killings, who has confirmed he has been behind Yaropolk's repeated attack, last round is of sheer idiocy for a townie (I say this with certainty that you won't be a townie. ATPG's just as likely to be a townie at this point) makes me believe you are no townie.
Askthepizzaguy
04-13-2010, 01:51
Sasaki is the only town left.
"Ha! Through the magic of science and my knowledge of chemistry, I have determined that any opinion [Sasaki] gives on the matter is suspicious."--Crazed Rabbit
Not according to the game host. You can't argue with that kind of evidence. :whip: Are you calling Crazed Rabbit a liar?
Sasaki Kojiro
04-13-2010, 01:52
On this video during the joke at 1 minute 30 seconds in, will be the exact same face Jolt will pull when CR reveals me as a townie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32pq2QycIEA
(The whole scene is by Francis Steward, good comedian.)
:laugh4:
Btw Pizza, want to warm up a bit?
Here's my try:
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