Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[Csargo]

...No, because I never said anything to Logic about answering for others?

My point being that you react more strongly than I would expect to minor things i.e. Sooh's undercutting your question, Logic's minor inconsistency about who he's played with. They're not exactly the same content wise, but I never cared about the content.

[SeveringViper]

Yeah, I don't think this is terribly ooc for Monty.

His whole argument about choosing between khaan/Monty just doesn't fit to me. I have no idea why his vote landed on khaan at all tbh.

It's not terribly ooc for him to make a vote right out of the gate d2 with terrible reasoning?

Aside, perhaps, for his being scum trying to suspect but not lynch his partner?


My point being that you react more strongly than I would expect to minor things i.e. Sooh's undercutting your question, Logic's minor inconsistency about who he's played with. They're not exactly the same content wise, but I never cared about the content.

I see.

[Choxorn]

Someone before me pointed out how weird the Monty wagon was, that it had two randomvoting lurkers on it, and like I said, I thought it was weird how many people were talking about khaan with how little he'd actually said. My lean on Monty really wasn't all that strong, there wasn't actually that much separating Monty and khaan in my views of scumminess at the time.

At the time I made that vote I saw a 4-4 tie between Monty and khaan and ended up deciding khaan. Maybe it was a wrong choice and maybe the train of logic that led me to make that choice wasn't great, but it's what I ended up going with.

But whatever, I'm probably just wrong about a bunch of things, my reads have been shit recently.

[Csargo]

It's not terribly ooc for him to make a vote right out of the gate d2 with terrible reasoning?

Aside, perhaps, for his being scum trying to suspect but not lynch his partner?



I see.

Is it a terrible vote though? I'll give you the roleblocking part was terrible, because it effectively proves nothing. I don't see any reason why GH doesn't deserve some pressure.

Possible.

[SeveringViper]

My lean on Monty really wasn't all that strong, there wasn't actually that much separating Monty and khaan in my views of scumminess at the time.

So "scum lean with a good case on him" and "null with a bad case on him" are not that far apart in terms of reads for you?


Is it a terrible vote though? I'll give you the roleblocking part was terrible, because it effectively proves nothing. I don't see any reason why GH doesn't deserve some pressure.

Possible.

When someone ties their vote to a reason, I'd assume they're voting for that reason. Especially since Monty didn't vote GH before.

Indeed.

[SeveringViper]

Also..

I thought it was weird how many people were talking about khaan with how little he'd actually said.
As I recall, there were three people who actually talked about khaan, GH in making his case, and me and Champ in responding to it.
In a game of 17, that's not a lot, is it?

[Sooh]

Not my claim. Role, not target.

SV, imagine for a second that there are more than one blocker this game.

[Csargo]

SV, imagine for a second that there are more than one blocker this game.

:sweatdrop::rolleyes:

[Sooh]

Might as well.

Mont claimed 1x RB. I am 1x RB.

Me too.

Let's fite.

There are more people with that role.

[Jabbz]

Jabbz:



Aside from the super hedgy tone, which I hate, why did you not mention/factor Monty into your analysis at all? He was always the other main wagon D1, and yet you presented it as a binary case between khaan and Choxorn. What's with that?

Monty, can you point me to where you were talking about khaan and how this implicates me? And yes, a lot of us (myself most certainly included) had incorrect scumreads on Chox and were pretty dead-set on him being mafia in his champs game.

Choxorn:



You know khaan didn't flip town either, right?

Because I had about 10 minutes to read and 2 minutes to post. Like I said, I had no time. You knew this in advance. Am I going to be your next bad cause you champion?

[novice]

From the opening post:

9. Mafia's info
The mafia will know who they are and have powers they can safely claim. Try to brute force my game, and prepare for disappointment. They'll always have more info than you.
The counterclaim makes Viper look town but I don't think it makes Monty scum.

But Monty, how does you blocking GH serve as an argument for voting GH?

[novice]

Vote:Choxorn

Choxorn looks pretty bad to me at this point. His posts/vote don't lineup at all.

Decent case. Vote:Choxorn

[Sooh]

From the opening post:

The counterclaim makes Viper look town but I don't think it makes Monty scum.

But Monty, how does you blocking GH serve as an argument for voting GH?

Monty's claim looked solid to me. I especially liked the 1x specification.

[SeveringViper]

SV, imagine for a second that there are more than one blocker this game.

Imagine for a second you haven't read all my posts.


Of course, there's the possibility of two 1x RBs, but I have to doubt that as odd, and the GH vote is still bad.

[SeveringViper]

Monty's claim looked solid to me. I especially liked the 1x specification.

Specifically 1x? Is that the norm here/for Pizza?
What do you think of the idea that 1x claims are easier for scum?

[Montmorency]

Viper is surprisingly hacked off. So what exactly he gonna counterclaim? He track GH somewhere?

Just saying for if we ever have a need to put him down: we knew he was a snake!


And the nature of his specific claim of 1x makes me suspect I might have been rolechecked, further making me willing to claim.
Of course, there's the possibility of two 1x RBs, but I have to doubt that as odd, and the GH vote is still bad.

Tougher sell than I imagined you would try, Viper. This is a role game. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.


I really don't wanna call SV a wolf though.

But I'm ecstatic to call Monty one.

Because it lets you off the hook?! bob ross


I don't want to waste time arguing how something was scummy from someone who's already flipped, but in this case khaan was clearly going along with the Pokemon theme whereas when he does character schticks (which is what I was referencing) they're usually unrelated to the flavor, such as doing a Bob Ross for French Revolution.

I didn't trust your evaluation. If Khaan indeed only pulled a single character shtick in over a year, then calling either the lack of a character shtick concerning or the explanation of a lack of a character shtick inconsistent is clearly fishing. For murder!



But Monty, how does you blocking GH serve as an argument for voting GH?

He pushed a precarious case against Khaan. The roleblock is just what needed to be done. Our enemies are preparing us a cruel design.


Monty's claim looked solid to me. I especially liked the 1x specification.

I'm not sure how to interpret this.

[novice]

He pushed a precarious case against Khaan. The roleblock is just what needed to be done. Our enemies are preparing us a cruel design.

OK, then why did you claim?

[Montmorency]

OK, then why did you claim?

Kamikaze lynch if necessary. It's the best way to demonstrate my probity.

[SeveringViper]

Viper is surprisingly hacked off. So what exactly he gonna counterclaim? He track GH somewhere?
Just saying for if we ever have a need to put him down: we knew he was a snake!
As a snake, I'm impressed with how boldly you're misrepresenting here. ^^


Tougher sell than I imagined you would try, Viper. This is a role game. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
I wasn't aware an average role game meant it was at all likely for there to be two of a specific role.


He pushed a precarious case against Khaan. The roleblock is just what needed to be done. Our enemies are preparing us a cruel design.

So where was your vote or voice before, brave scum Montmorency? Or were you that unsure that you had to wait to claim a roleblock that would mean nothing?

[Montmorency]

I wasn't aware an average role game meant it was at all likely for there to be two of a specific role.

You are aware.


So where was your vote or voice before, brave scum Montmorency? Or were you that unsure that you had to wait to claim a roleblock that would mean nothing?

I was not around for EOD after checking GH's case.

Interesting also, that you find scum given to claims that mean nothing.

[SeveringViper]

You are aware.

And I disagree. Not with this kind of role.
That's only the beginning of the issue here, and you haven't been helping that so far.


I was not around for EOD after checking GH's case.

Interesting also, that you find scum given to claims that mean nothing.
Fair enough.

Please, no "scum wouldn't make that kind of slip" nonsense. The explanation for the vote was terrible.

[Montmorency]

Please, no "scum wouldn't make that kind of slip" nonsense. The explanation for the vote was terrible.

Making random false claims is hardly just a "slip". You protecting GH by making a false claim would be more of a slip.

And I disagree.

As for roleblocks, keep in mind that these are one-shots, not static abilities.

[SeveringViper]

Let's play a game, Montmorency;. What do you think of Choxorn? Sooh? Novice?

[Sooh]

Specifically 1x? Is that the norm here/for Pizza?
What do you think of the idea that 1x claims are easier for scum?

I think that hitting 1x rb, and that being true for you and me also (I assume on your part) is very difficult for a scum to claim. Given that we both have it I wouldn't put it past a mod to make it 3 people with the same power.

[SeveringViper]

Making random false claims is hardly just a "slip". You protecting GH by making a false claim would be more of a slip.

And I disagree.

As for roleblocks, keep in mind that these are one-shots, not static abilities.

Like yours? Hm, I was protecting him with the claim, you say? Don't you think that's an odd move when I could have just called out your poor reasoning?

Okay.

Fair point, but you'll excuse me if I still don't trust it. You might just change my mind about you, however.

[Montmorency]

Let's play a game, Montmorency;. What do you think of Choxorn? Sooh? Novice?

If Choxorn has indeed tripped over himself, you have a case against him. But I don't see that he has tripped over himself, meaning on all other counts a town lean.

Sooh and novice have been making me uneasy, but they are neutral.

I have null on Barto, Champ, Manasi, Logic, Raith, Jabbz, and the lurkers. Town lean on Csargo.

[SeveringViper]

I think that hitting 1x rb, and that being true for you and me also (I assume on your part) is very difficult for a scum to claim. Given that we both have it I wouldn't put it past a mod to make it 3 people with the same power.

Interesting.

Eh, it's quite easy for scum to claim "I had this role, but I used it up on X already, sorry!"

But this is noted. 3 people is definitely excessive, rather, I'd say, but noted.

[SeveringViper]

If Choxorn has indeed tripped over himself, you have a case against him. But I don't see that he has tripped over himself, meaning on all other counts a town lean.

Sooh and novice have been making me uneasy, but they are neutral.

I have null on Barto, Champ, Manasi, Logic, Raith, Jabbz, and the lurkers. Town lean on Csargo.

And what of his suspecting you but not quite and avoiding putting his vote to back it up, then following your lead today?

Can you elaborate? Posts that give you that unease, at least?

A full reads list is nice, but if almost everyone is null, why bother? Does leaving me out mean a scum read?

[Sooh]

Interesting.

Eh, it's quite easy for scum to claim "I had this role, but I used it up on X already, sorry!"

But this is noted. 3 people is definitely excessive, rather, I'd say, but noted.

Perhaps, but outside of the scums having an exact list of roles in the game, which is improbable, but not impossible I guess, I don't see how they would know to claim exactly 1x RB.

[Sooh]

Sooh and novice have been making me uneasy, but they are neutral.
Would also like to see why here.

[Montmorency]

And what of his suspecting you but not quite and avoiding putting his vote to back it up, then following your lead today?

Can you elaborate? Posts that give you that unease, at least?

A full reads list is nice, but if almost everyone is null, why bother? Does leaving me out mean a scum read?

Choxorn has said today that he is more suspicious of GH than before, which isn't a huge commitment. Of course you probably hold the lack of commitment against him. He spent EOD yesterday challenging Champ on Khaan, for very similar reasons that he is now being challenged on Khaan - then getting wagoned. After he came into danger, Choxorn defended conduct wrt Champ, which you at least partly accepted in post 383. Finally he chose Khaan over me in the three-way. If you want a view on Choxorn, read his only posts in the "Representative Democracy" game here, for which he was immediately identified as scum and lynched D1. If you can make a good comparison between that performance and Choxorn now, that would be helpful. Or, you would have more currency pointing out Cuth's position on Choxorn before he was NKed.

Sooh and novice are difficult. For Sooh at least, in the recent Swords and Sorcery game - which was absolutely loaded with blocks and jails - Sooh was a serial killer. She was rather aggressive in the field D1, then lurked as the noose tightened around her and the scum. On D1 her most suspicious behavior was a number of bogus soft-pushes. I thank her for posting that link to her character evaluation and playstyle. Keep an eye on it. The most worrisome things so far are the way she talks about me and her pedantry D1, where I don't feel she has been particularly focused on pedantry in her town D1s here. For novice, I need to reread Tokens of Confection.

I'm talking to you. I'll give my lean on you when its for someone else.

[SeveringViper]

Choxorn has said today that he is more suspicious of GH than before, which isn't a huge commitment. Of course you probably hold the lack of commitment against him. He spent EOD yesterday challenging Champ on Khaan, for very similar reasons that he is now being challenged on Khaan - then getting wagoned. After he came into danger, Choxorn defended conduct wrt Champ, which you at least partly accepted in post 383. Finally he chose Khaan over me in the three-way. If you want a view on Choxorn, read his only posts in the "Representative Democracy" game here, for which he was immediately identified as scum and lynched D1. If you can make a good comparison between that performance and Choxorn now, that would be helpful. Or, you would have more currency pointing out Cuth's position on Choxorn before he was NKed.

Sooh and novice are difficult. For Sooh at least, in the recent Swords and Sorcery game - which was absolutely loaded with blocks and jails - Sooh was a serial killer. She was rather aggressive in the field D1, then lurked as the noose tightened around her and the scum. On D1 her most suspicious behavior was a number of bogus soft-pushes. I thank her for posting that link to her character evaluation and playstyle. Keep an eye on it. The most worrisome things so far are the way she talks about me and her pedantry D1, where I don't feel she has been particularly focused on pedantry in her town D1s here. For novice, I need to reread Tokens of Confection.

I'm talking to you. I'll give my lean on you when its for someone else.

A vote is a decent commitment, is it not? No, the reasons he is being challenged on khaan are the opposite of why he challenged Champ. He claimed Champ's coming in to criticize the case on khaan was strangely defensive of him, while he's being challenged for voting khaan despite having him as null and claiming to actually have suspicion of you. I'll look at that, but don't expect me to form a meta read. NK analysis, hm?

Interesting, now answer my question. Posts in this game you find make you uneasy for both.

Understood.

[Montmorency]

A vote is a decent commitment, is it not?

Sounds like a simple misunderstanding. Choxorn hasn't yet voted today, for GH or otherwise.


while he's being challenged for voting khaan despite having him as null and claiming to actually have suspicion of you.

According to Choxorn, it's because he felt a Khaan flip would give more information on Khaan's pushers than a Montmorency flip. Given that two votes on me were early lurker votes, and Choxorn found Logic otherwise favorable, the account seems to check out.

No specific posts on novice and Sooh, not interested in doing ISO at this point.

[SeveringViper]

Sounds like a simple misunderstanding. Choxorn hasn't yet voted today, for GH or otherwise.



According to Choxorn, it's because he felt a Khaan flip would give more information on Khaan's pushers than a Montmorency flip. Given that two votes on me were early lurker votes, and Choxorn found Logic otherwise favorable, the account seems to check out.

No specific posts on novice and Sooh, not interested in doing ISO at this point.

I stand corrected, although I would call it a lapse in attention. I have a quota of those I have to meet, it seems

Khaan's pusher, rather, and the two who challenged the case. That's 3/17 at most, nor has Choxorn seemed to make anything of it besides GH being suspicious.

Fair enough.

[Manasi]

Oh nice.

I was poisoned last night.



I blame cuth.


Someone halp.

[Montmorency]

Scan for me, and I shall grant you the gift of life, and death to your enemies.

[Manasi]

Scan for me, and I shall grant you the gift of life, and death to your enemies.

u gonna feed me an antidote or what

[novice]

I think that hitting 1x rb, and that being true for you and me also (I assume on your part) is very difficult for a scum to claim. Given that we both have it I wouldn't put it past a mod to make it 3 people with the same power.

One of whom could easily be scum.

[novice]

I''ll be driving for the next 7 hours, so I probably won't be very active until (real life) tomorrow.

[Montmorency]

u gonna feed me an antidote or what

Sure, we'll figure it out. You'll have nothing to worry about.

[Manasi]

Sure, we'll figure it out. You'll have nothing to worry about.

See, you say that, but I need to know before I die.

Because I will die at EOD.


And I'm LOCK VILLA.

[Montmorency]

Ah well, in that case I have no use for you.

My sincere condolences to your loved ones.

[BSmith]

I was poisoned last night.

What is/was the effect of the poisoning?

[BSmith]

Bit of an x-post there. If you don't get cured you die at EOD? Is that the net effect?

[Logic]

Trying to catch up, but here is my thinking through post #500


May I ask what were the reasons for voting in favour of the lynching of Monsieur Montmorency yesterday?
I'd rather not repeat myself, but may I direct you to my case here? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748162&viewfull=1#post2053748162)



Would agree with all this. Strangely don't like the Mont wagon though despite shady read. Seems like a fool's train. Not really hairy, but like it went in the lead almost incidentally.

To GH about meta question: Off the brief posters, they just stood on in my mind. Csargo mores from past difficulty reading him.

Monty is scummy, but he's not scummy because he is in the lead? What gives?



...No, because I never said anything to Logic about answering for others?
You are going to have to clarify this statement, because it looks like a direct contradiction of this one:


What do you think of cuth answering for you?


I don't like manasi
Vote: Manasi


i feel like she doesnt want to be here and isnt enjoying herself
she loves being town and her lack of engagement is nagl
i dont like khaan i just dont think hes the best lynch

Manasi is less active than in French Rev, but this feels less like a valid read on her, and more like a desperate cover.
Not liking these posts by Champ.

My wolf leans:
Monty
Champ
Severing Viper
Raith Kemmler

My Town leans:
Sooh
Autolycus (mostly because he agreed with my Monty vote, but not in so many words)
Manasi

Everyone not mentioned I haven't spent a lot of time analyzing their posts. Expect another update around 10:30 AM PST.

[Logic]

Also, I suspect that all the plain ol' vanilla's are the Magikarps, and that one of us will evolve into the Gyrados once certain conditions are met. This is just speculation on my part.

[SeveringViper]

...No, because I never said anything to Logic about answering for others?
You are going to have to clarify this statement, because it looks like a direct contradiction of this one:

What do you think of cuth answering for you?


Really?

And was that anything related to accusing you of getting in the way of questions?

[Montmorency]

Trying to catch up, but here is my thinking through post #500


I'd rather not repeat myself, but may I direct you to my case here? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748162&viewfull=1#post2053748162)

You may want to update those points.


So, Logic-Sooh or GH-Choxorn for mafs?

[Sooh]

One of whom could easily be scum.

Which one though? In a field of 3 who claim the same, who would you trust? The first who claimed and so specifically? The counterclaim? The second counterclaim?

[Manasi]

Bit of an x-post there. If you don't get cured you die at EOD? Is that the net effect?

Yeah, that's my understanding.

Someone plz heal me ahh

[Logic]

Really?

And was that anything related to accusing you of getting in the way of questions?
I think I don't understand your question as worded. Care to clarify?

You may want to update those points.


So, Logic-Sooh or GH-Choxorn for mafs?
You do realize I was responding to this question, right?

May I ask what were the reasons for voting in favour of the lynching of Monsieur Montmorency yesterday?Barto asked why I voted for Monty the day prior, and I stated my reasoning.



As for GH:

20 minutes to go.

I really don't like that novice just left his last post hanging out there without attaching of an opinion of his own to it, but I'll give my own: I don't like the Monty wagon nor the people on it (khaan's vote is understandable but I'm independently suspicious of him), and I don't think he should be the lynch today.Ok, so GH doesn't think Monty is a good lynch, and then calls everyone on it suspicious. Is he
"clearing" wolf-buddy Monty? That's the vibe I get from this.


Viper is surprisingly hacked off. So what exactly he gonna counterclaim? He track GH somewhere?

Just saying for if we ever have a need to put him down: we knew he was a snake!

Tougher sell than I imagined you would try, Viper. This is a role game. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

Because it lets you off the hook?! bob ross

I didn't trust your evaluation. If Khaan indeed only pulled a single character shtick in over a year, then calling either the lack of a character shtick concerning or the explanation of a lack of a character shtick inconsistent is clearly fishing. For murder!

He pushed a precarious case against Khaan. The roleblock is just what needed to be done. Our enemies are preparing us a cruel design.

I'm not sure how to interpret this.Meanwhile, Monty is pushing GH. Distancing from wolf-buddy vibe.

[Jabbz]

Also, I suspect that all the plain ol' vanilla's are the Magikarps, and that one of us will evolve into the Gyrados once certain conditions are met. This is just speculation on my part.

This post makes me strongly suspect logic is vanilla town, based on the phrasing of my role pm.

[Logic]

Monty, SV and Sooh all claim roleblocker, with Monty claiming to have used his on GH. GH has not claimed to have been affected by this in any way, as he has yet to post this phase.

Manasi claims poisoned vanilla, and we have one dead poisoner, so I'm inclined to believe that Cuth is our culprit here.

I'm not getting any strong read on anyone not mentioned in my last 4 posts.

[SeveringViper]

So, Logic-Sooh or GH-Choxorn for mafs?

Would you agree that Choxorn being mafia could reflect on you?


I think I don't understand your question as worded. Care to clarify?

Those statements don't contradict themselves as the latter (as quoted) statement was not criticizing you for answering for others, which was the context of the former. Wasn't that clear?

[Montmorency]

You do realize I was responding to this question, right?
Barto asked why I voted for Monty the day prior, and I stated my reasoning.

You can't weasel away that easy, to fiddle at a different angle.


As for GH:
Ok, so GH doesn't think Monty is a good lynch, and then calls everyone on it suspicious. Is he
"clearing" wolf-buddy Monty? That's the vibe I get from this.

Meanwhile, Monty is pushing GH. Distancing from wolf-buddy vibe.

So vote GH, you coward.


This post makes me strongly suspect logic is vanilla town, based on the phrasing of my role pm.

No idea what you mean. But Pizza doesn't want us to discuss Role PMs as such in any further terms.


Would you agree that Choxorn being mafia could reflect on you?

We will deal with it if we come to it. In the Democracy game I alluded to for your edification, I hard-defended Choxorn and then he flipped scum at lynch. Then I hard-defended the next scum to lynch. We got over it and had a good round of drinks. Here? You have seen that I'm minimizing my exposure. But I do still lean town.

In between those events, I got town GH lynched. But I'm sure I've struck right this time.

[novice]

Please heal Manasi.


This post makes me strongly suspect logic is vanilla town, based on the phrasing of my role pm.

surely scum have access to the vanilla role PM?


Which one though? In a field of 3 who claim the same, who would you trust? The first who claimed and so specifically? The counterclaim? The second counterclaim?

Instinct says the first claim is the fishiest, scum eager to get their safe claim in. Second claim is least fishy because it risks a thunderdome.

[Jabbz]

Please heal Manasi.



surely scum have access to the vanilla role PM?



Instinct says the first claim is the fishiest, scum eager to get their safe claim in. Second claim is least fishy because it risks a thunderdome.

It's possible. Once I find out if I get slapped by pizza for discussing role PM's even that much I might cover more.

[Logic]

You can't weasel away that easy, to fiddle at a different angle.

I answered the question exactly. I'm not weaseling anything.


So vote GH, you coward.
Coward? Now that's rather harsh. Incidentally, I wonder what has given you cause to think I am the least bit afraid.
VOTE: Montmorency

[Montmorency]

"Vote" in caps? Overcompensation. We're onto something here, Pokepeeps.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, let's see where we're at.

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Still feel like Monty's town, though he's obviously misguided in this case and his case on me is pretty bad. That said, I think, just by feel, of the people who have been hounding him on variants of the progression of "I blocked GH > there was still a kill at night > GH is scum" we have one scum in there trying to score easy points by pointing out a fairly obvious fallacy in thinking. On reread this is... Barto (sort of), autolycus, Viper, and BSmith. Let's rule Viper out, he appears to be genuine. Barto's was super early and didn't really point at Monty, just noted the error in Monty's reasoning. This leaves auto and BSmith.

Csargo also gets a townread for a mindmeld with me on this being not too terribly out of character for Monty.

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Jabbz, my case on khaan wasn't bad, stop shading me for it. He was a third-party role and his behavior was probably subtle altered because of it.

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Manasi, why didn't you claim being poisoned at the start of the phase?

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Logic's Monty vote just now looks weird.

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Vote: autolycus

[GeneralHankerchief]

PARTICIPATION NOTICE: Starting in about 24 hours, I will have extremely limited-to-no access to the game until Monday evening. Will try to keep up during that time but no promises.

[Montmorency]

To be clear, I'm not trying to lynch you because I blocked you. I blocked you because I want to lynch you. For what you said and did to Khaan.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Edit to post 560, "subtle altered" should read "subtly altered".

And Monty, the same goes for you. The case was not bad.

[Csargo]

It's possible. Once I find out if I get slapped by pizza for discussing role PM's even that much I might cover more.

ATPG is going to slap you no matter what you do, cannot escape.

Logic did Monty strike a nerve?

Gh votes auto, noted. Why auto over BSmith? Their mo's are basically the same.

[GeneralHankerchief]

ATPG is going to slap you no matter what you do, cannot escape.

Logic did Monty strike a nerve?

Gh votes auto, noted. Why auto over BSmith? Their mo's are basically the same.

No real reason, maybe unconsciously pressuring auto to post more since BSmith's already pled RL (and I believe him).

[Csargo]

No real reason, maybe unconsciously pressuring auto to post more since BSmith's already pled RL (and I believe him).

Auto doesn't respond to pressure though does he? Stoic lurker.

[Csargo]

To be clear, I'm not trying to lynch you because I blocked you. I blocked you because I want to lynch you. For what you said and did to Khaan.

Wait What? Is your entire read based on Khaan? I thought you had some clever insight, I wasn't seeing...

[Logic]

Logic did Monty strike a nerve?

I am not used to name calling in games of Mafia/Werewolf, so the "Coward" comment caught me off guard. However, my caps "VOTE" was not intended to be anything of note. I'm not sure how or why I wrote that out in all caps.

[Logic]

Manasi, why didn't you claim being poisoned at the start of the phase?
That is a good question. I hadn't considered that before you mentioned it.


Logic's Monty vote just now looks weird. My vote earlier vote from the prior day now looks weird, or my current vote looks weird?

[Csargo]

I am not used to name calling in games of Mafia/Werewolf, so the "Coward" comment caught me off guard. However, my caps "VOTE" was not intended to be anything of note. I'm not sure how or why I wrote that out in all caps.

Understandable, I think. Monty definitely needs to relax.

[GeneralHankerchief]

That is a good question. I hadn't considered that before you mentioned it.
My vote earlier vote from the prior day now looks weird, or my current vote looks weird?

"just now" - your current vote in 558.

[Montmorency]

Wait What? Is your entire read based on Khaan? I thought you had some clever insight, I wasn't seeing...

Well, I'm pleased that you think so. Hopefully it can come to apply to the Khaan canard.


I am not used to name calling in games of Mafia/Werewolf, so the "Coward" comment caught me off guard. However, my caps "VOTE" was not intended to be anything of note. I'm not sure how or why I wrote that out in all caps.

It's not like I'm calling you scumbag. :wink:

OOC, I'll cut the drama.

[Logic]

"just now" - your current vote in 558.
I read your post at #560 with a pause. That explains my confusion.


Well, I'm pleased that you think so. Hopefully it can come to apply to the Khaan canard.

It's not like I'm calling you scumbag. :wink:

OOC, I'll cut the drama.At the very least, one could attribute being called a scumbag part of the game. Possibly one of the least polite ways to accuse someone of being on Team Wolf, but it seems to be a valid option.

At the very least, I'm glad we seem to have come to an understanding. I'm not searching for an apology, as I don't think you did anything to warrant one. But I am glad you are aware that there is potential for drama.

But I will apologize (the better you know me, the more you will see me do that) for my part in the drama unfolding. I thought I kept a calm and level head when responding to Monty. It now appears that I was more aggressive than even I realized.

Though, the vote is staying for now.

[Sooh]

Instinct says the first claim is the fishiest, scum eager to get their safe claim in. Second claim is least fishy because it risks a thunderdome.Ok, I guess I just want a Raith/Chox lynch first and to me I feel like both claims that weren't my own were town claims at the moment.

[Champ]

I forgot this existed

[Sooh]

Did Manasi actually post in the thread D2 before she claimed she was poisoned?

(too tired to go searching)

[Jabbz]

Jabbz, my case on khaan wasn't bad, stop shading me for it. He was a third-party role and his behavior was probably subtle altered because of it.


That seems like a rather strong response to a slight poke there GHC. If you want to go into it anyway, from a scum perspective killing a survivor is still good, and I still don't feel he was a good lynch. Admittedly that was based on limited readings, so I'm not trying to take town cred for it, but it still makes you look less than stellar.

[Jabbz]

ATPG is going to slap you no matter what you do, cannot escape.



I stand by my statement about logic. I find it unlikely that scum would make the connection I did to his post or would have come up with his post in the first place. Combined with a lack of negative feels from him so far this game, I feel safe putting him 98% town.

[Manasi]

Okay, let's see where we're at.

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Still feel like Monty's town, though he's obviously misguided in this case and his case on me is pretty bad. That said, I think, just by feel, of the people who have been hounding him on variants of the progression of "I blocked GH > there was still a kill at night > GH is scum" we have one scum in there trying to score easy points by pointing out a fairly obvious fallacy in thinking. On reread this is... Barto (sort of), autolycus, Viper, and BSmith. Let's rule Viper out, he appears to be genuine. Barto's was super early and didn't really point at Monty, just noted the error in Monty's reasoning. This leaves auto and BSmith.

Csargo also gets a townread for a mindmeld with me on this being not too terribly out of character for Monty.

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Jabbz, my case on khaan wasn't bad, stop shading me for it. He was a third-party role and his behavior was probably subtle altered because of it.

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Manasi, why didn't you claim being poisoned at the start of the phase?

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Logic's Monty vote just now looks weird.

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Vote: autolycus


Did Manasi actually post in the thread D2 before she claimed she was poisoned?

(too tired to go searching)

Yeah I uh.

Fuck this is angly.

I'll just say that in the French Revolution game I was invited to a separate quicktopic where I received the invitation via PM on this site and didn't see it until a full 24 hours later.

I need to enable email notifications or something zzz.

Plz donut be disappointed mom and dad plz.

[Csargo]

Yeah I uh.

Fuck this is angly.

I'll just say that in the French Revolution game I was invited to a separate quicktopic where I received the invitation via PM on this site and didn't see it until a full 24 hours later.

I need to enable email notifications or something zzz.

Plz donut be disappointed mom and dad plz.

So you're saying you didn't see it? Lolwut?

Plz donut talk about donuts, I'm hungry...

[El Barto]

Don't worry you can vote for me today, it still kinda works, I'm just not your first choice. Which is really messed up though tbh. Tell me a story about this game, in this moment, right now.

Also, did Sooh ever say why she called me defensive or whatever it was?
I'll tell you the story that I poisoned Manasi last night with a one-off ability. Now I am, for all intents and purposes, what the gaming populace knows as a ‘vanilla townie’. I find it extremely odd that Manasi did not immediately request for help.

Mine yesterday was a random vote for a player I'd played with before. Today it's about the idea that GH being blocked last night is evidence of guilt on his part and because both the choxorn and khaan wagon feel like they could have been scum trying to save Monty.

RANDBETWEEN(1,17) told me to?
What a strange coincidence.

I'd rather not repeat myself, but may I direct you to my case here? (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748162&viewfull=1#post2053748162)
Oh yes, you may. I find it acceptable for now, especially as a Day One case. I bow to you. :bow:

I forgot this existed
:stare:

You leave me with no option but to Vote: Champ.

[BSmith]

If you want to go into it anyway, from a scum perspective killing a survivor is still good, and I still don't feel he was a good lynch.

As scum I’d much rather eliminate someone that goes against my victory condition. I’d chose to leave alone someone who I didn’t need to kill to win.

[BSmith]

What a strange coincidence.

I can only speak for my end of the deal, but I hadn’t even read the thread yet when I made that post. It was truly random using a list of the players in excel and using that formula to get to the row number of the player to vote for. Monty was the lucky winner.

[El Barto]

I can only speak for my end of the deal, but I hadn’t even read the thread yet when I made that post. It was truly random using a list of the players in excel and using that formula to get to the row number of the player to vote for. Monty was the lucky winner.
We'll put it down to improbable coincidences, shan't we?

[Manasi]

So you're saying you didn't see it? Lolwut?

Plz donut talk about donuts, I'm hungry...

Yeah I'm not the most alert.

:/

THANKS BARTO

[El Barto]

You are most welcome.

[Manasi]

You are most welcome.

Can you uh

Can you fix it plz

[El Barto]

If I had such a capability I would consider it. However, as I have already stated, I have no abilities remaining.

[novice]

Why did you poison Manasi, El Barto?

[novice]

I can only speak for my end of the deal, but I hadn’t even read the thread yet when I made that post. It was truly random using a list of the players in excel and using that formula to get to the row number of the player to vote for. Monty was the lucky winner.

Really? You were voting blind in earnest? Didn't you fear that would do more harm than good? Or would you have rerolled some results, so it wasn't really random? Why bother with an excel sheet at all, wouldn't it be simpler to just pick a scummy-sounding post and vote that person?

[novice]

If I had such a capability I would consider it. However, as I have already stated, I have no abilities remaining.

Have you already changed your mind about Manasi needing to be poisoned?

[novice]

To be clear, I'm not trying to lynch you because I blocked you. I blocked you because I want to lynch you. For what you said and did to Khaan.

Why is GH in particular so scummy for lynching Khaan? What about me, for example? Were my reasons better?

[El Barto]

Have you already changed your mind about Manasi needing to be poisoned?
Well, (she?) needn't to be poisoned again, as one dose is supposed to do the trick.

We either have a helpful townie come forth and save Manasi, leaving us with three cleared players of the Innocent persuasion, including myself, or we rid ourselves of a player who cannot be bothered to notice the messages from our beloved Game Master (Manasi is misrepresenting her situation).

[novice]

As for GH:
Ok, so GH doesn't think Monty is a good lynch, and then calls everyone on it suspicious. Is he
"clearing" wolf-buddy Monty? That's the vibe I get from this.

Meanwhile, Monty is pushing GH. Distancing from wolf-buddy vibe.

Neither player is at the top of my lynch list, but this is an interesting pattern.

Choxorn still a good lynch IMO, and El Barto's got some 'splainin to do. Although I guess we should let Manasi flip town before lynching El Barto.

[novice]

Well, (she?) needn't to be poisoned again, as one dose is supposed to do the trick.

We either have a helpful townie come forth and save Manasi, leaving us with three cleared players of the Innocent persuasion, including myself, or we rid ourselves of a player who cannot be bothered to notice the messages from our beloved Game Master (Manasi is misrepresenting her situation).

How would that clear any of the players involved?

*reads the bolded*

Oh, ok. The poison only kills townies, or something?

[Manasi]

How would that clear any of the players involved?

*reads the bolded*

Oh, ok. The poison only kills townies, or something?

I'm not misrepresenting anything.

You can check french rev if you want.

I literally suck at looking at private messages.

[SeveringViper]

How would that clear any of the players involved?

*reads the bolded*

Oh, ok. The poison only kills townies, or something?

Besides that, why trust that whoever would claim to have cured her actually did that?

[Montmorency]

Why is GH in particular so scummy for lynching Khaan? What about me, for example? Were my reasons better?

He made the case and the wagon. I don't remember what you did. Let's say it's all good.


Barto's claim is a dangerous one. Now Barto needs to be killed at night - but then, if he's town, that defeats the purpose. But if he doesn't die, well what if the Mafia had a higher-priority target?

And with Cuth, it might be easier to believe one character with 2 delayed day-vigs rather than two characters with one. We are Pokemon, after all, and with so much variety why should there be two poison-types exactly?

Don't count Barto out on this claim.

[Montmorency]

Besides that, why trust that whoever would claim to have cured her actually did that?

Manasi survives. Or are they all in on it and announcing it to the world early game?

What do you think of my evaluation of the consequences of Bart's claim?

[Jabbz]

As scum I’d much rather eliminate someone that goes against my victory condition. I’d chose to leave alone someone who I didn’t need to kill to win.

For that to apply here you would have to know the individual was a survivor BEFORE you killed him, which I find unlikely.

[novice]

How are things going with you, my good lady?
For the record: El Barto alluding to the poisoning early today.


Wait, you blocked GH last night, someone died, so now you want him lynched?
And now you want a scanner to claim?

Vote:Montmorency

I agree with GH that this vote doesn't leave the best impression. Quick to jump straight to voting when the obvious logical fallacy that Autolycus read from Monty's post should signal a need for clarification more than it should signal scummy intent. Also, Monty has been calling for scanners to claim since his opening post.


I don't know what's going on. Just tell me who scans type.

Or Vote: novice gets it.

[El Barto]

How would that clear any of the players involved?

*reads the bolded*

Oh, ok. The poison only kills townies, or something?
No, no, my good sir; it is, quite more simply, that Manasi is scheduled to die at the end of Night Two, not Day one as she's claimed.

I'm not misrepresenting anything.

You can check french rev if you want.

I literally suck at looking at private messages.
As you prove time and again.

For the record: El Barto alluding to the poisoning early today.
I am glad that somebody noticed. Yes, I was trying to draw Manasi out.

[SeveringViper]

Barto's claim is a dangerous one. Now Barto needs to be killed at night - but then, if he's town, that defeats the purpose. But if he doesn't die, well what if the Mafia had a higher-priority target?

And with Cuth, it might be easier to believe one character with 2 delayed day-vigs rather than two characters with one. We are Pokemon, after all, and with so much variety why should there be two poison-types exactly?

Don't count Barto out on this claim.
Why should he need to be killed at night now that he has claimed to be powerless? Scum have higher-priority targets in anyone that still can use their role ability.

Why should there be three roleblockers?

Who is doing that?

Manasi survives. Or are they all in on it and announcing it to the world early game?

She survives and X claims to be her savior. Where's the proof that it was them?
Say Y counterclaims X on that, who do you trust?
It really doesn't do much on its own, does it?

[Montmorency]

No, no, my good sir; it is, quite more simply, that Manasi is scheduled to die at the end of Night Two, not Day one as she's claimed.

As El Barto would say: !


Why should he need to be killed at night now that he has claimed to be powerless? Scum have higher-priority targets in anyone that still can use their role ability.

Why should there be three roleblockers?

Who is doing that?

Exactly. A perfectly plausible position - among others. You see?

Roleblock, as far as Mafia goes, is pretty generic. Delayed vig is rarer, and Poison is type-dependent for the flavor, so two townie delayed-killing shots, both poison-type is in my mind less likely than one poison-type townie with two delayed-killing shots. Or maybe Barto wants to throw down and make things spicy. That's why his claim that Manasi misreported the details of the effect is so noteworthy and needs to be explored. See below...

It's a caution.


She survives and X claims to be her savior. Where's the proof that it was them?
Say Y counterclaims X on that, who do you trust?
It really doesn't do much on its own, does it?

None, but at that layer it becomes an increasingly-risky play for scum, unless they are all scum, in which case the entire team just outed themselves for a very unclear benefit.

But as per my caution, mechanically it is not really clearing for anyone in particular since Manasi could be scum affected, Barto could be scum covering for their kill, or the rescuer could be scum themselves. Certain combinations are less likely than others, however.

[SeveringViper]

Exactly. A perfectly plausible position - among others. You see?

I'm afraid I don't, what are you trying to say?


Roleblock, as far as Mafia goes, is pretty generic. Delayed vig is rarer, and Poison is type-dependent for the flavor, so two townie delayed-killing shots, both poison-type is in my mind less likely than one poison-type townie with two delayed-killing shots. Or maybe Barto wants to throw down and make things spicy. That's why his claim that Manasi misreported the details of the effect is so noteworthy and needs to be explored. See below...
Fair enough. But Cuth already flipped as poisoner, so by this reasoning, Barto is now a suspect, yes?
The issue of her claimed misrepresentation is interesting, but let me add another point, why would she deliberately lie about how long she has and risk being exposed like this?


It's a caution.

Alright then.


None, but at that layer it becomes an increasingly-risky play for scum, unless they are all scum, in which case the entire team just outed themselves for a very unclear benefit.

But as per my caution, mechanically it is not really clearing for anyone in particular since Manasi could be scum affected, Barto could be scum covering for their kill, or the rescuer could be scum themselves. Certain combinations are less likely than others, however.

See, the last paragraph is my point. It can be any combination, and Barto saying all three would be cleared is just off.

[BSmith]

Really?
Yes.


You were voting blind in earnest?
Yes.


Didn't you fear that would do more harm than good?
No. It’s day one. The only person I care about not dying is me.


Or would you have rerolled some results, so it wasn't really random?
My name was on the list too, so I suppose I might have re-rolled if my number came up. But maybe not. Wouldn’t have re-rolled anyone else though.


Why bother with an excel sheet at all, wouldn't it be simpler to just pick a scummy-sounding post and vote that person?
Because I hadn’t read any of the thread, and excel was a way to make my choice truly random. I was hoping to get caught up before EOD and potentially change my vote, but I wasn’t able to make that happen.

[BSmith]

For that to apply here you would have to know the individual was a survivor BEFORE you killed him, which I find unlikely.
Well, sure. But even if I didn’t know, I’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party.

[Logic]

Well, sure. But even if I didn’t know, I’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party.

But why?

At the very least, a townie shares your win condition. A neutral has his or her own win condition, and if the opportunity arises to for them to win by making you lose, they will take it.

[El Barto]

No, no, my good sir; it is, quite more simply, that Manasi is scheduled to die at the end of Night Two, not Day one as she's claimed.As El Barto would say: !
I must amend the above statement. Manasi claimed that her death was due to happen at the end of the current Day phase (D2 in the vernacular) when it is actually due to happen at the end of the coming Night phase (N2 in the vernacular). I am sorry that I did not clarify this before, and my only excuse for such an oversight is that I was engaged in preparing a sauce based on tomatoes (well, mostly tomatoes) for accompanying some pasta al dente for a meal, and I have only now extricated myself from the straps of the cook's apron.

[El Barto]

Fair enough. But Cuth already flipped as poisoner, so by this reasoning, Barto is now a suspect, yes?
The issue of her claimed misrepresentation is interesting, but let me add another point, why would she deliberately lie about how long she has and risk being exposed like this?
I made full disclosure of my use of my ability to start providing information. For once, I am playing seriously. I might even befriend Seymour Skinner. Firstly, my information, and there being at least two known poisoners on the town side, makes the existence of multiple wielders of the roleblock ability also possible.

Also, I had to prevent the misconception that our now dead poisoner had, for some reason, attacked Manasi from arising. That would have also polluted discussion.

See, the last paragraph is my point. It can be any combination, and Barto saying all three would be cleared is just off.
I must admit that it is only a hypothesis. A small network of innocents might be my gift to the town and a not insignificant contribution to our eventual victory. That, or a botherseome accumulation of fæces.

[BSmith]

But why?

At the very least, a townie shares your win condition. A neutral has his or her own win condition, and if the opportunity arises to for them to win by making you lose, they will take it.

I think we're mixed up. I am talking from a hypothetical scum perspective. Not a townie one. As a townie I'd rather leave a neutral survivor alone as well to focus on scumhunting.

[El Barto]

After a perusal of the posts earlier in this phase, I can point out the following exchanges:
Severing Viper made the following post:

Not my claim. Role, not target.
Which then gave rise to the following exchanges:


So... what are you claiming, exactly?Might as well.

Mont claimed 1x RB. I am 1x RB.
and then


SV, imagine for a second that there are more than one blocker this game.:sweatdrop::rolleyes:
It would be a strong possibility that Sooh is right and there are multiple copies of each ability distributed among the players.

[El Barto]

Scan for me, and I shall grant you the gift of life, and death to your enemies.

u gonna feed me an antidote or what

Sure, we'll figure it out. You'll have nothing to worry about.
The above is one more exchange I would like to bring together for more lucid minds to analyse. Good day, sirs.

[Manasi]

So we're just gonna let me die?

Okay.

Why does it matter when I said I was going to die?

The PM just said I was poisoned.

NOT

"You have been poisoned and will perish in 72 hours good luck friend godspeed."

It just said I was poisoned.


If anyone has an antidote I would be greatly appreciative, because just letting me die is a horrendous idea.

[El Barto]

Why does it matter when I said I was going to die?

The PM just said I was poisoned.

NOT

"You have been poisoned and will perish in 72 hours good luck friend godspeed."

It just said I was poisoned.
The question which you claim to be unimportant, name ‘when I said I was going to die?’ can be interpreted in two ways. Both are important.

If you mean the moment that you actually made the post in which you claimed you were going to die, then it matters because you are either not paying attention or you spent some time consulting with your mafia partners whether they had the antidote.

If you mean why the moment of your upcoming death matters, then it is relevant because either you are not paying attention (again) or you were deliberately lying. First you were going to die at a specified time. Now you claim it to be an unspecified one. Please make up your mind.

I am off to watch a film.
I said, good day.

[Csargo]

Barto's probably my favorite player of all time. Well, except Sasaki, but that's not even a fair comparison.

[Csargo]

BSmith discussing trivial stuff w novice/Logic, at least give me something to work with geez.

[El Barto]

Errata: In the first line of post #615 it should read ‘namely’, not ‘name’.

Now, good day.

[Logic]

So we're just gonna let me die?

Okay.

Why does it matter when I said I was going to die?

The PM just said I was poisoned.

NOT

"You have been poisoned and will perish in 72 hours good luck friend godspeed."

It just said I was poisoned.


If anyone has an antidote I would be greatly appreciative, because just letting me die is a horrendous idea.

I have a strong suspicion that anyone that could do something about it, would.

I don't think anyone has an antidote just yet, if they exist at all.

[Manasi]

The way I usually play with poisoners is that at the end of the DAY PHASE is when the poison runs out.

Why are you being so rude and dismissive Barto?

[novice]

Player list, for the benefit of my vote counter:


Logic
Montmorency alias Monty
BSmith
GeneralHankerchief alias gh alias general alias hanky alias generalhandkerchief alias GeneralHandkerchief alias generalhankerchief
El Barto alias Bart
Champ
Jabbz
Manasi
SeveringViper alias SV alias Viper alias Severing
Novice
Csargo
Autolycus alias Auto
choxorn alias Chox
Cuthillius alias Cuth
seireikhaan alias Khaan alias khan
Raith Kemmler alias RK alias Raith alias Kemmler
Sooh

[novice]

Day one tally with voting history:

Lynch votes
6 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747732#post2053747732), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748091#post2053748091), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748099#post2053748099), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748240#post2053748240), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748261#post2053748261), Raith Kemmler (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748268#post2053748268))
4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747798#post2053747798), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748093#post2053748093), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748128#post2053748128), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748264#post2053748264))
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747721#post2053747721), Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748143#post2053748143))
2 votes: choxorn (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748251#post2053748251), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748259#post2053748259))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748200#post2053748200))
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748037#post2053748037))

Voting history:
Sooh

Raith Kemmler

Raith Kemmler

Novice

GeneralHankerchief

seireikhaan

novice

Novice

Montmorency

Manasi

novice

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

Unvote

Unvote

Severing Viper

seireikhaan

Montmorency

seireikhaan

Jabbz

Montmorency

GeneralHankerchief

Champ

choxorn

Montmorency

choxorn

Manasi

seireikhaan

choxorn

choxorn

seireikhaan

Montmorency

seireikhaan

[novice]

Also Jabbz voted Choxorn, which the plugin didn't count because of a missing :

[novice]

Raith Kemmler alias Raith Kemmle

[novice]

Tally as of post 624:

Lynch votes
4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748370#post2053748370), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748389#post2053748389), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748407#post2053748407), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748509#post2053748509))
2 votes: choxorn (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748417#post2053748417), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748435#post2053748435))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748360#post2053748360))
1 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748363#post2053748363))
1 votes: Autolycus (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748511#post2053748511))
1 votes: Champ (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748536#post2053748536))

Voting history:
GeneralHankerchief

Raith Kemmler

Montmorency

Montmorency

Montmorency

choxorn

choxorn

Montmorency

Autolycus

Champ

[novice]

Post 326:

SeveringViper: By my count, khaan's played with everybody here (however briefly in some instances) except Champ. We'll throw Manasi and Logic in there too I guess because French Rev was a factional game and doesn't really fit in. Not really enough to get self-conscious about IMO.

novice: Re: your section of me in your longer post above, I was going to argue that your conclusion w/r/t your read of me is correct, but I feel like your reasons for reading me as such are bad, so I'm not sure what to do with you at the moment? but then I realized that most of the bones I had to pick with it were playstyle differences and thus not actual bad arguments.

Champ: As mentioned in a different post, khaan doesn't play games on other sites.

Post 327:

Another thing I want to make note of is in Champ's catchup just a few posts above this one, he jumps from my case on khaan (made earlier this morning US time) to commenting about my "pedantics" line (made last night US time), which strikes me as a bit unnatural way of catching up with the thread.


I will note posts #326 and #327 for tomorrow. :)

What was it you wanted to look at today?


Also, I'm totally voting for Champ tomorrow.

Why?

And I still don't understand why you poisoned Manasi, El Barto. You don't seem to suspect her at all on day one, and if you were definitely voting for Champ, wouldn't he be a better target?

[Sooh]

Raith Kemmler, Autolycus and Champ are some of the people I would love to hear more from.

[Sooh]

Oh yeah, and BSmith.

Somehow I feel like I have gotten more from both Jabbz and Logic with less posts than Champ.

[novice]

Yeah I think your Raith vote is OK. Choxorn, RK and Autolycus are all plausible lynches today. El Barto has a towny tone but I don't understand his thinking, his actions just seem antitown to me.

[Montmorency]

But why?

At the very least, a townie shares your win condition. A neutral has his or her own win condition, and if the opportunity arises to for them to win by making you lose, they will take it.

Townies have to lose, by definition. Survivors don't. Of course it's a risk, but as the most fundamental risk is to the Survivor, live-and-let-live is a valid mutual strategy to pursue. In Futuramafia, the Mafia spent a whole day at the endgame trying to use blatant innuendo to make a claimed Survivor vote the way they wanted, but the Survivor proved obstinate and drove a lynch of scum. So the Mafia NKed him with extreme prejudice, and the Survivor lost. Mafia won next phase. If the Survivor had pursued a better strategy, he would have won with Mafia the same day, most of his VCs fulfilled.


I must amend the above statement. Manasi claimed that her death was due to happen at the end of the current Day phase (D2 in the vernacular) when it is actually due to happen at the end of the coming Night phase (N2 in the vernacular). I am sorry that I did not clarify this before, and my only excuse for such an oversight is that I was engaged in preparing a sauce based on tomatoes (well, mostly tomatoes) for accompanying some pasta al dente for a meal, and I have only now extricated myself from the straps of the cook's apron.

Any spicy meatballs?

[novice]

Well, sure. But even if I didn’t know, I’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party.


But why?

At the very least, a townie shares your win condition. A neutral has his or her own win condition, and if the opportunity arises to for them to win by making you lose, they will take it.


Townies have to lose, by definition. Survivors don't. Of course it's a risk, but as the most fundamental risk is to the Survivor, live-and-let-live is a valid mutual strategy to pursue.

BSmith meant that he’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party as scum.

The whole discussion can probably be put to rest, it seems like a pointless digression.

[Montmorency]

BSmith meant that he’d rather have killed/lynched a townie than a neutral third party as scum.

Yes


The whole discussion can probably be put to rest, it seems like a pointless digression.

Yes

[Montmorency]

I'm at risk. Where is Kemmler?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Choxorn

Prefer him over the Monty lynch, but I really like novice's 626 questioning Barto and wouldn't mind a much closer look at him and his activities.

[GeneralHankerchief]

List ordered from town to scum, not sorted within tiers.

SeveringViper
Sooh

Csargo
Manasi
novice
Monty

El Barto

---town line---

Raith Kemmler
BSmith
Champ
Logic

---null line---

Jabbz

Choxorn
autolycus


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Comments:

Viper and Sooh have been active, asking good questions, generally townread, and have good tone. I feel like they're trying to solve and have no real reason to suspect either of them.

I believe in Manasi's derp, and she's looked fine otherwise. Hope she survives.

I know I said I can't read Monty but he's still generally twigging my town sensors instead of the other way around.

As for Barto, I know I just said I wanted more pressure on him but then I remembered that he softed his poisoning of Manasi at the start of D2 and feel like that's not something mafia does so it makes me feel a decent bit better about him. The choice of poisoning was definitely a WTF move but I feel like that's more in Barto's town range than the softing was in his scum range.

The nulls are the nulls. Raith's posts in particular just haven't made much of an impression on me but that might be a "me" problem.

On the BSmith/autolycus dichotomy: BSmith has claimed limited time, but has spent his time in the thread doing things that look alright. Would still like to see him go on offense at some point. As for auto, he has *not* claimed limited time and has skated by using generally poor reasoning, if any at all. He's my preferred lynch today and if there's movement on him before I leave for the weekend I will happily flip back to auto.

[Montmorency]

I remembered that he softed his poisoning of Manasi at the start of D2 and feel like that's not something mafia does so it makes me feel a decent bit better about him.

It's something Pizza did a couple of games ago, where he was scum with Barto. And pseudo-serious Barto sure is strange.

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's something Pizza did a couple of games ago, where he was scum with Barto. And pseudo-serious Barto sure is strange.

Futuramafia?

That was ATPG though, I'll have to check the Quicktopic to see how much of an emphasis Pizza put on it. Hmm.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Futuramafia?

That was ATPG though, I'll have to check the Quicktopic to see how much of an emphasis Pizza put on it. Hmm.

Not Futuramafia, possibly Visor's small game (Pizza was scum in what seems like 20 games in a row in 2016 so I could be wrong but still start here). Checking the QT now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay as per this QT (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/aFmRTmE6fpeV), Pizza and Barto have a discussion on the concept of breadcrumbing in the 30-50 range. Move Barto down one tier, maybe two on my list.

[Csargo]

Yeah I think your Raith vote is OK. Choxorn, RK and Autolycus are all plausible lynches today. El Barto has a towny tone but I don't understand his thinking, his actions just seem antitown to me.

This is the most dangerous Barto. Generally his tone is somewhere in between, this is far more serious than I would expect. We'll see what happens, but it is cause for concern imo. Though I wouldn't call it inherently scummy, more observation is needed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Monty, do you still want to vote me?

[Montmorency]

Is that a threat?

Unvote: GH; Vote: Raith Kemmler

:sad3:

[Champ]

Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters

[novice]

Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters

A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.

[Champ]

at least el barto kept his promise

[Sooh]

Yeah I think your Raith vote is OK. Choxorn, RK and Autolycus are all plausible lynches today. El Barto has a towny tone but I don't understand his thinking, his actions just seem antitown to me.

Can you fill this out with examples, please?

[Sooh]

Champ? If you're somehow still around, please come play and make reads and such. It's not D1 anymore, so it's possible to read stuff now!

[novice]

Examples of what?
Poisoning Manasi is antitown.
The tone read is hard to exemplify or verbalize. The "Enjoy my poison while I cook this pasta, this will clear three players" attitude just comes across as towny. It's just so brazen if scum.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Examples of what?
Poisoning Manasi is antitown.
The tone read is hard to exemplify or verbalize. The "Enjoy my poison while I cook this pasta, this will clear three players" attitude just comes across as towny. It's just so brazen if scum.

Barto's pretty brazen as scum.

[Montmorency]

A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.

What does this mean?

[novice]

Barto's pretty brazen as scum.
I've gathered, which is why I'm concerned with his actions, and why I want El Barto to explain his thinking.


Hi
Wtf I need 3 letters

A secret known only to the most dedicated of lurkers.

What does this mean?

You can't post just "Hi", the forum software requires you to include at least three letters in a post. You'd have to be a hardcore lurker (or a programmer) to know that, was my joke.

[Csargo]

Probably won't be around much EoD, because of work. Still think Chox is the scummiest player itt, so I'm leaving my vote on him.

[Sooh]

Probably won't be around much EoD, because of work. Still think Chox is the scummiest player itt, so I'm leaving my vote on him.

I don't mind people voting Chox. It's him or Raith for me. Staying on Raith to keep the option open, at least a while longer.

[Montmorency]

You can't post just "Hi", the forum software requires you to include at least three letters in a post. You'd have to be a hardcore lurker (or a programmer) to know that, was my joke.


faa

Oh?

[novice]

Yup

[BSmith]

unvote; vote: Barto I'm fine putting some pressure on here. Barto is damn near impossible to read, but the change in his tone this game, along with the seemingly odd choice of poisoning target earns my vote for now.

[novice]

Just 3.5 hours left, I think?

Tally as of post 656:

Lynch votes
3 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748370#post2053748370), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748389#post2053748389), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748509#post2053748509))
3 votes: choxorn (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748417#post2053748417), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748435#post2053748435), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748615#post2053748615))
2 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748363#post2053748363), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748626#post2053748626))
1 votes: Champ (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748536#post2053748536))
1 votes: Barto (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748643#post2053748643))

Voting history:
GeneralHankerchief

Raith Kemmler

Montmorency

Montmorency

Montmorency

choxorn

choxorn

Montmorency

Autolycus

Champ

choxorn

Raith Kemmler

Barto

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm around for one more hour before I leave if people want to ask me something.

[Champ]

I've gathered, which is why I'm concerned with his actions, and why I want El Barto to explain his thinking.





You can't post just "Hi", the forum software requires you to include at least three letters in a post. You'd have to be a hardcore lurker (or a programmer) to know that, was my joke.
i tried writing hi and it said i needed 3 characters

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wagons should be Choxorn and Barto IMO.

[novice]

unvote; vote: Barto I'm fine putting some pressure on here. Barto is damn near impossible to read, but the change in his tone this game, along with the seemingly odd choice of poisoning target earns my vote for now.

Ideally we'll find his scum buddies first. Manasi might flip scum, after all.

[Logic]

Wagons should be Choxorn and Barto IMO.
I really don't like that GH is pushing this, but I can't ignore that Barto poisoned what looked to me like the towniest person we have.
I'm willing to switch to Barto. C'mon guys. Just 2 more. I don't buy Choxorn as scum just yet.
Vote: El Barto

[El Barto]

Barto's probably my favorite player of all time. Well, except Sasaki, but that's not even a fair comparison.
Your compliments warm my heart.

The way I usually play with poisoners is that at the end of the DAY PHASE is when the poison runs out.

Why are you being so rude and dismissive Barto?
Please accept my apologies if my utilisation of a high register makes me appear dismissive, my good woman.

What was it you wanted to look at today?
GeneralHankerchief's arguments against Champ. They do have a mild, yet not inconsiderably persuasive effect.

Why?
Champ's votes on seireikhaan were suspect. It was a silly way to have a runaway waggon in the first day of such a game.

And I still don't understand why you poisoned Manasi, El Barto. You don't seem to suspect her at all on day one, and if you were definitely voting for Champ, wouldn't he be a better target?
One has to play one's cards up close, given that there is an express warning that poison attacks can be prevented, and that poison can be removed. Why would I have alerted a possible mafiosa of my attack beforehand?

The poisoning of Manasi might seem like a spur-of-the-moment thing. There were many small reasons which alone wouldn't have sufficed, but there was the general tone of the lady at the time, plus one or two suspicious posts. If Manasi does turn out to be Innocent, I will accept full responsibiliy for her death.

Any spicy meatballs?
As a matter of fact, there was some minced meat involved, but disgregated in a general way. The sauce might be considered a variation on the general alla bolognese type, but there was only one type of meat: common ground beef.

Okay as per this QT (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/aFmRTmE6fpeV), Pizza and Barto have a discussion on the concept of breadcrumbing in the 30-50 range. Move Barto down one tier, maybe two on my list.
Good God, Lemon General!

Who would have thought you would have brought that up? Even if it was one of my finest performances, not even I would have thought of that sequence. Yes, I was leaving a clue towards my poisoning, in case Manasi never claimed it outright and I had then to claim it and accuse Manasi.

This is the most dangerous Barto. Generally his tone is somewhere in between, this is far more serious than I would expect. We'll see what happens, but it is cause for concern imo. Though I wouldn't call it inherently scummy, more observation is needed.
My tone, as you should have realised, comes from the decision to play in character. Since part of the reason for the unfortunate lynching of seireikhaan appears to be that he wasn't posting in character, to post in character should, one hopes, vindicate him.

Wagons should be Choxorn and Barto IMO.
Given that my death would prove conclusively that I am an Innocent and my ability has already been spent, I am willing to make such a sacrifice, if needed. More information will be gathered by the right-thinking Innocents and a successful conclusion might be reached.

Nevertheless, I must still reiterate my vote on Champ.

Ideally we'll find his scum buddies first. Manasi might flip scum, after all.
I wonder whether that wouldn't actually put me in the clear.

[El Barto]

I really don't like that GH is pushing this, but I can't ignore that Barto poisoned what looked to me like the towniest person we have.
I'm willing to switch to Barto. C'mon guys. Just 2 more. I don't buy Choxorn as scum just yet.
Vote: El Barto
Forgive me for stating that I might be misunderstanding you, but do you just happen to be pointing out not liking a vote and then following it? If you also do not like the vote for Choxorn, then you can always vote for a third party. It is in the rules.

[Logic]

Forgive me for stating that I might be misunderstanding you, but do you just happen to be pointing out not liking a vote and then following it? If you also do not like the vote for Choxorn, then you can always vote for a third party. It is in the rules.

I am well aware of my options.

[El Barto]

Be that as it may then.

[Sooh]

I really don't like that GH is pushing this, but I can't ignore that Barto poisoned what looked to me like the towniest person we have.
I'm willing to switch to Barto. C'mon guys. Just 2 more. I don't buy Choxorn as scum just yet.
Vote: El Barto

So you think scum Barto went "I'm going to poison Manasi tonight. She's the towniest person there is. THen I'll let everyone know about it. "

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hosts' Tally.
Choxorn: 3 Csargo, Novice, GH
Raith Kemmler: 2 Sooh, Monty
Monty: 2 Auto, Seviper
Barto: 2 Bsmith, Logic
Champ: 1 Barto

Logic votes Barto
Montmorency votes GH
BSmith votes Barto
GH votes choxorn
El Barto votes Champ
Champ votes ----
Jabbz votes ----
Manasi votes ----
SeveringViper votes Monty
Novice votes choxorn
Csargo votes Choxorn
Autolycus votes Monty
choxorn votes ----
Raith Kemmler votes ----
Sooh votes Raith Kemmler

[Logic]

So you think scum Barto went "I'm going to poison Manasi tonight. She's the towniest person there is. THen I'll let everyone know about it. "

It's absolutely brazen. Which is why I think he may have thought he could get away with it. Obviously, this is a WIFOM situation, and I settled on Barto being more suspicious than not. If someone wants to set up a better case against someone else, I'm listening.

[SeveringViper]

So you think scum Barto went "I'm going to poison Manasi tonight. She's the towniest person there is. THen I'll let everyone know about it. "

On the other hand, he didn't let everyone know about it, only responded to Manasi when she did.

[Sooh]

Well I tried giving you a suspect.

It's not good that we're so close to DL and so many haven't voted yet.

Come vote people!

[El Barto]

So you think scum Barto went "I'm going to poison Manasi tonight. She's the towniest person there is. THen I'll let everyone know about it. "
That would be a succint way of putting it.

It's absolutely brazen. Which is why I think he may have thought he could get away with it. Obviously, this is a WIFOM situation, and I settled on Barto being more suspicious than not. If someone wants to set up a better case against someone else, I'm listening.
Maybe we could start by having a case, Mr. Logic.

On the other hand, he didn't let everyone know about it, only responded to Manasi when she did.
As has already been pointed out, I first tried to draw Manasi out on this, but she (allegedly) hadn't read her night results and then she has consistently misrepresented things. Insisting, again, on the lack of a need to read her communications from the game host in order to know what they mean.

[El Barto]

Well I tried giving you a suspect.

It's not good that we're so close to DL and so many haven't voted yet.

Come vote people!
I concur. My actions may be confusing to the uninitiated, but at least I am taking some form of action.

[Sooh]

I mean, sure. The guy talks like he's in some 1800s posh society movie, but idk. I still don't think he should be the lynch today.

[Sooh]

And to those who haven't voted yet, note the rule on activity in the game.

[Sooh]

Come on guys!

This is not the pre DL buzz that it should be!

[Montmorency]

Barto, put on a better show to preserve yourself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwdE7x1t_nQ

[El Barto]

I mean, sure. The guy talks like he's in some 1800s posh society movie, but idk.
Good God, Lemon Sooh! Haven't you realised which two famous characters I have successfully blended?

I still don't think he should be the lynch today.
I appreciate that sentiment.

Barto, put on a better show to preserve yourself.
I will remain largely available for the last hour or so of this game phase. What have you in mind?

[Sooh]

Good God, Lemon Sooh! Haven't you realised which two famous characters I have successfully blended?

Nah, I'm not good with references. Especially not if they are theme related to this game.

Make it cleartext if you want me to get it.

[Csargo]

Don't think Barto should be the lynch today.

[Logic]

I concur. My actions may be confusing to the uninitiated, but at least I am taking some form of action.


Don't think Barto should be the lynch today.
Neither do I, but my gambit was apparently quite transparent to the wolves. Apologies to Barto, I was trying to see if I could use his potential lynch as bait for others to try and save a wolf up for lynch.

Vote: Raith Kemmler

[Logic]

I concur. My actions may be confusing to the uninitiated, but at least I am taking some form of action.

I meant to reply to you: I may not completely get your actions, but you are far from a lock scum to me. There are others that are far more likely to be scum than you are.

[Askthepizzaguy]

35 minutes left until one of you dies.

[Sooh]

Currently there's a tie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Choxorn: 3 Csargo, Novice, GH
Raith Kemmler: 3 Sooh, Monty, Logic
Monty: 2 Auto, Seviper
Barto: 1 Bsmith
Champ: 1 Barto

Champ votes ----
Jabbz votes ----
Manasi votes ----
choxorn votes ----
Raith Kemmler votes ----

[Sooh]

If you're town and haven't voted yet, please please please do!

[El Barto]

Don't think Barto should be the lynch today.
We are in agreement. Does anyone have that vote-counter add-on application enabled in their browser?

Neither do I, but my gambit was apparently quite transparent to the wolves. Apologies to Barto, I was trying to see if I could use his potential lynch as bait for others to try and save a wolf up for lynch.

Vote: Raith Kemmler
Good God, Logic! Nevertheless, I accept your apology. Raith might, actually, be a mafioso, but I do not wish to see a runaway waggon formed for the mafia to hide in.

I meant to reply to you: I may not completely get your actions, but you are far from a lock scum to me. There are others that are far more likely to be scum than you are.
I think I am seeing your point.

[El Barto]

Currently there's a tie.
With about twenty-five minutes remaining on the clock to be on the safe side, whom would you prefer to die, between Choxorn and Raith Kemmler, and why?

[El Barto]

Currently there's a tie.
With about twenty-five minutes remaining on the clock to be on the safe side, whom would you prefer to die, between Choxorn and Raith Kemmler, and why?

[Sooh]

With about twenty-five minutes remaining on the clock to be on the safe side, whom would you prefer to die, between Choxorn and Raith Kemmler, and why?

To me they are pretty much a toss-up at the moment. Neither of them have voted today, which is strange if they are mafia.

[Montmorency]

Neither do I, but my gambit was apparently quite transparent to the wolves. Apologies to Barto, I was trying to see if I could use his potential lynch as bait for others to try and save a wolf up for lynch.

Vote: Raith Kemmler

Or, he is a wolf? Or, you are a wolf? Or, you both are?

???

[Sooh]

Raith hasn't been here since last day phase.

Perhaps Choxorn, though his lack of vote is putting me off a bit.

[El Barto]

To me they are pretty much a toss-up at the moment. Neither of them have voted today, which is strange if they are mafia.
It would be a strange coincidence. Both might very well turn out to be, simply, neglectful Innocents.

[Sooh]

Monty feels solving. Logic's ISO feels less so.

[Sooh]

It would be a strange coincidence. Both might very well turn out to be, simply, neglectful Innocents.
That's why I've started looking at others.

[Manasi]

Feeling less good about voting on Chox. I kinda get where GH is on why he scum reads him but I do feel kinda uncomfortable voting there.

I wonder which out of my 5 posts day 1 was very suspicious. Would love to know.

Really would urge you all to look at Barto after my flip because there was virtually no reason to poison someone completely random.

Zz z z z z z z .

GH/Sooh/Novice/logic still sitting pretty strong in my village cirlce.


Sorry, long phases make me kinda zone out for more time than I'd like to admit.

Vote: Raith Kemmler

[novice]

El Barto alias Barto

[novice]

Tally as of post 697:

Lynch votes
4 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748363#post2053748363), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748626#post2053748626), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748677#post2053748677), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748694#post2053748694))
3 votes: choxorn (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748417#post2053748417), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748435#post2053748435), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748615#post2053748615))
2 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748370#post2053748370), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748389#post2053748389))
1 votes: Champ (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748536#post2053748536))
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748643#post2053748643))

Voting history:
GeneralHankerchief

Raith Kemmler

Montmorency

Montmorency

Montmorency

choxorn

choxorn

Montmorency

Autolycus

Champ

choxorn

Raith Kemmler

El Barto

El Barto

Raith Kemmler

Raith Kemmler

[Sooh]

Vote: Raith Kemmler

Can you explain why you chose Raith?

[El Barto]

Monty feels solving. Logic's ISO feels less so.

That's why I've started looking at others.
Then we could attempt to ‘solve’ Monsieur du Montmorency first? We have a full quarter of an hour left.

[Sooh]

Part of me wants to CFD on Logic, but this is the Org, so idk if we can.

[Sooh]

Then we could attempt to ‘solve’ Monsieur du Montmorency first? We have a full quarter of an hour left.
You want to lynch Monty?

[novice]

That's why I've started looking at others.

If not Choxorn or Raith it would have to be a CFD on Autolycus, I think. Not that there's a real reason to do that.

[Montmorency]

Part of me wants to CFD on Logic, but this is the Org, so idk if we can.

I'm unsure about a lot of people. I don't want to go for the hero shot, and I don't trust you, or anyone else really.

I think the current state should be seen through.

[El Barto]

Sorry, long phases make me kinda zone out for more time than I'd like to admit.

Vote: Raith Kemmler
If your death reveals you as a member of the mafia, vote: Choxorn is a dead man.

Part of me wants to CFD on Logic, but this is the Org, so idk if we can.
I would not think we have enough players available for such a thing to succeed in so short an amount of time.

You want to lynch Monty?
Not particularly, but I have no strong indications of his Innocence.

[novice]

Tally as of post 705:

Lynch votes
4 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748363#post2053748363), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748626#post2053748626), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748677#post2053748677), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748694#post2053748694))
4 votes: choxorn (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748417#post2053748417), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748435#post2053748435), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748615#post2053748615), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748703#post2053748703))
2 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748370#post2053748370), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748389#post2053748389))
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748643#post2053748643))

Voting history:
GeneralHankerchief

Raith Kemmler

Montmorency

Montmorency

Montmorency

choxorn

choxorn

Montmorency

Autolycus

Champ

choxorn

Raith Kemmler

El Barto

El Barto

Raith Kemmler

Raith Kemmler

choxorn

[Askthepizzaguy]

Raith Kemmler: 4 Sooh, Monty, Logic, Manasi
Choxorn: 4 Csargo, Novice, GH, Barto
Monty: 2 Auto, Seviper
Barto: 1 Bsmith

Champ votes ----
Jabbz votes ----
choxorn votes ----
Raith Kemmler votes ----

:00 good, :01 bad.

[Sooh]

I'm unsure about a lot of people. I don't want to go for the hero shot, and I don't trust you, or anyone else really.

I think the current state should be seen through.

There is certainly no movement to suggest that somebody is trying to save someone. Not really. Manasi and El Barto under scrutiny tomorrow though if we get a bad result. That is, if Manasi is still here.

[Csargo]

I'm here, lead me!

[Sooh]

Two lead wagons being non-voters though. #feelsbadman

[SeveringViper]

Disagreeing with a Raith lynch, he's given a reason why he's been inactive (laptop being repaired and finding his phone hard to use) and like Sooh mentioned, just disappearing without even placing a vote seems too carelessly disengaged for scum.

Vote: Choxorn

[novice]

Disagreeing with a Raith lynch, he's given a reason why he's been inactive (laptop being repaired and finding his phone hard to use) and like Sooh mentioned, just disappearing without even placing a vote seems too carelessly disengaged for scum.

Vote: Choxorn

But Choxorn did that too.

[novice]

Tally as of post 712:

Lynch votes
5 votes: choxorn (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748417#post2053748417), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748435#post2053748435), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748615#post2053748615), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748703#post2053748703), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748709#post2053748709))
4 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748363#post2053748363), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748626#post2053748626), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748677#post2053748677), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748694#post2053748694))
1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748370#post2053748370))
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748643#post2053748643))

Voting history:
GeneralHankerchief

Raith Kemmler

Montmorency

Montmorency

Montmorency

choxorn

choxorn

Montmorency

Autolycus

Champ

choxorn

Raith Kemmler

El Barto

El Barto

Raith Kemmler

Raith Kemmler

choxorn

choxorn

[SeveringViper]

But Choxorn did that too.

Choxorn posted and took positions today. Raith didn't even post.

[Montmorency]

Csargo, save Choxorn.

[Csargo]

Csargo, save Choxorn.

Why?

[El Barto]

Choxorn posted and took positions today. Raith didn't even post.
That is, I am afraid, the tiebreaker right now.

[Montmorency]

Why?

He posted and took positions today.

[Sooh]

Fingers crossed then.

[Csargo]

Disagreeing with a Raith lynch, he's given a reason why he's been inactive (laptop being repaired and finding his phone hard to use) and like Sooh mentioned, just disappearing without even placing a vote seems too carelessly disengaged for scum.

Vote: Choxorn

Did you not see this?

[Sooh]

It's one thing to find it difficult to post. It's another thing to not do it at all.

[GeneralHankerchief]

vote: raith

[GeneralHankerchief]

Chaos etc

[novice]

Tally as of post 723:

Lynch votes
5 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748363#post2053748363), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748626#post2053748626), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748677#post2053748677), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748694#post2053748694), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748720#post2053748720))
4 votes: choxorn (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748417#post2053748417), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748435#post2053748435), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748703#post2053748703), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748709#post2053748709))
1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748370#post2053748370))
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748643#post2053748643))

Voting history:
GeneralHankerchief

Raith Kemmler

Montmorency

Montmorency

Montmorency

choxorn

choxorn

Montmorency

Autolycus

Champ

choxorn

Raith Kemmler

El Barto

El Barto

Raith Kemmler

Raith Kemmler

choxorn

choxorn

Raith Kemmler

[Askthepizzaguy]

round is over!

Stop posting!

[Csargo]

Gh why?

[SeveringViper]

It's one thing to find it difficult to post. It's another thing to not do it at all.

Which is why his not even trying to post or vote and getting his first strike does not seem like scum behavior. Scum would have checked in and seen what they could do to avoid the inactivity strike, and Raith would have found a good few options. Not appearing at all means he's not worried.

vote: raith

Noted.

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/MafiaIMGS/Nuz_zpsnultvgeg.png


Day Two








Professor Oak's Lab

The protagonist finally reached Pallet Town again, Professor Oak's package in tow.




https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3080392045/e6913df6a57878c730cda6fff5700eb0_400x400.png



Professor Oak:

"Great, you got my package. That's wonderful. Now ol' Professor Oak can plant his tree wherever he wants, with no need to worry about little saplings sprouting up.

Say, kid, I need you to do me another favor. The government is hounding me to actually show them some completed research, and I'm in a bit of a jam. Would you please go around the entire world and finish cataloguing all known species of Pokemon? I would have done it myself, but I've been... 'busy'. Lot of fine women in this town, know what I mean?

Thanks.

But just so you know, in the extremely likely event that you might fail, I've also called my son... er, I mean 'grandson', in here to do the bulk of the work. Probably."



Gary Oak:

"As long as I can borrow the car. I ain't walking, and I was going to cruise around looking for babes anyway."



Professor Oak:

"That's my boy.

All right, all you kids clear out of town for at least a month, and don't come back until you've found all 150.... I uh, mean, 151 species of pokemon. And if you do manage to find them all, there's probably more in other places across the ocean, so maybe buy a steam ship ticket or something."


Gary Oak:

"All right! I'm going to leave you in the dust. Hey, you never know, maybe someday you can afford a bicycle or something.

Probably the best you can hope for is running shoes! Hahahaha!!!! Smell you later, dingus!"







http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/f/f2/Kanto_Route_22_FRLG.png/800px-Kanto_Route_22_FRLG.png




Route 22


Our hero decided that the patch of grass just to the west of Viridian City, on the path to Victory road, would be a good stop to pick up some more pokemon before heading to Pewter City. But as soon as they tried to get to the second patch of grass, a familiar face appeared.




https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/603939690488541184/8c1FSXPp.jpg




Gary Oak:

"Well, well, well. Look who it is, again so soon. What are you doing out here anyway? Don't you realize I'm going to become the Champion of all Pokemon trainers? Not just in Kanto, but in the entire world.

Give it up, kid. I've got the looks, I've got the raw talent, I've got the connections, and I've got the bucks. I also have a bulk discount card at the PokeMart and I even know a guy in Viridian City who can give me access to a pokeball that will capture literally anything. Not to mention my sweet sports car that I can drive even though I'm only 10.

...what, still not convinced? Well color me surprised. I knew you wouldn't learn your lesson from our first battle. And I've been feeding my pokemon a metric ton of rare candies that fell off a truck. You wanna challenge me? Come and get some!"




http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/7/7e/006Charizard.png/600px-006Charizard.png
Charizard




Gary Oak:

"Go, Charizard! Use Fire Blast!!!"







https://i.ytimg.com/vi/S-od4lDv4Q0/hqdefault.jpg




The ever-silent protagonist fumbled with their pokeballs, and threw out one at random, hoping that the creature could tank the hit.

And so, leading the fight against Charizard was....
was.....






https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/677508993686700035/5hQ59Dm4.png

????




Oh my.... could it be?

It turned out, in a shocking and surprising twist, that.....





*Critical Hit!!!*



A pokemon has fainted!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Raith Kemmler fainted!

He was...

Ekans, Level 17

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/f/fa/023Ekans.png/250px-023Ekans.png
Townie with 1x block....

unless......!??!
Yep, a townie. I just love leaving people in suspense!

:bounce:


Begin Night Two.

Do Not Post! It is Night!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Host note: If you didn't post a vote today, you have until midway through day 3 to do so.

Otherwise I may seek a replacement.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Host note:

Flavor may be short or delayed. Been very busy this past hour.

Don't post until I say.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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A wild Pokemon appears!

It used Strength, and hurled a giant boulder at the opposing Pokemon!

https://tinyclipart.com/resource/boulder-20clipart/boulder-20clipart-28.gif






Sooh fainted!

She was...

Diglett, Level 13

http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/3/31/050Diglett.png/600px-050Diglett.png
Townie with 1x block
Sand-attack, y'all. If that doesn't act like a roleblock, I don't know what does.




Elsewhere, a pokemon used Thunderbolt!

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2786/4249181291_6dc902f004_z.jpg?zz=1

...It wasn't very effective.







Begin Day Three.

You may post!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Zack replaces in for choxorn, who had to drop out for unexpected reasons.

[Manasi]

THANK YOU FOR THE HEAL @ WHOEVER

HI ZACK

[Manasi]

OH BABY ZCAK'S HERE THE WIM TRAIN HAS ARRIVED

[El Barto]

Zack replaces in for choxorn,
This is a most interesting piece of news. It would appear that our speculations yesterday relative to choxmon's sudden disappearance had to do with other reasons.

Manasi, may I trouble you for any results relative to last night? I am not ‘softing’ it this time around.

[Manasi]

This is a most interesting piece of news. It would appear that our speculations yesterday relative to choxmon's sudden disappearance had to do with other reasons.

Manasi, may I trouble you for any results relative to last night? I am not ‘softing’ it this time around.

Is this angleshooting

What are you even talking about

I sat there last night and fucking prayed I got healed

[Montmorency]

I believe in you, Zack.

Vote: GH

[SeveringViper]

GeneralHankerchief; Can you explain to me why you suddenly thought Raith did not deserve a chance to come back and hopefully make a better showing when he could? Because...

Chaos etc
Is far from a good reason.

[Montmorency]

GeneralHankerchief; Can you explain to me why you suddenly thought Raith did not deserve a chance to come back and hopefully make a better showing when he could? Because...

Is far from a good reason.

Actually, this is troubling. GH deploys his "chaos" card in most games, but in his last two scum games here (Bird Mafia and IKEA Mafia) he doesn't seem to have. So it could be slightly town-indicative.

...

Let's lynch him and find out.

[Csargo]

Vote: GH

For killing my dreams.

[El Barto]

I will bite.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Is this angleshooting

What are you even talking about

I sat there last night and fucking prayed I got healed
I was wondering whether you received any information, and whether other players contacted you, that is all.

(I was also wondering why you use such foul language, but that is an ancillary matter).

[El Barto]

Vote: GH

For killing my dreams.
What dreams, if I may ask?

[Zack]

Can we lynch scum tonight guys.

I'm finally home, semi-naked, laptop resting on my moist, muscular thighs, ready to up my game by 14.6%.


reading the thread next...

[Csargo]

Zack replaces in for choxorn, who had to drop out for unexpected reasons.

Zack! Zack! Zack! Zack!

[Csargo]

What dreams, if I may ask?

Choxorn.

[Champ]

Why must you lie
manasi
so i dont get replaced

[Csargo]

Can we lynch scum tonight guys.

I'm finally home, semi-naked, laptop resting on my moist, muscular thighs, ready to up my game by 14.6%.


reading the thread next...

Figure I'd be a larger percentage...

[Zack]

I think Cuth, Raith, and Sooh are villagers.

[Zack]

Hey brown sugar, cliffs?