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Hey Jabbz who is GH's partner?
Jabbz sort of meta clears himself there. He has to be a total ahole himself to post that as scum.
I'm torn. I still don't like Champs level of activity, but I still don't see him as scum. Logic actually looks decent for it, despite my earlier thoughts on him, but that's based on how easily he accepts GH's arguments. He still has a reason that is decent, from his perspective, to assume I'm scum based on my interaction with him. Manasai? Just too hard to read. Lots of posting, little of meaning, but it mimics what I saw in the only other game I played with her. Fairly certain it isn't you, because all scum has to do at this point to win is let me swing.
If I had to throw out a ranking I'd put it town to scum:
Me
Novice (because just letting me die lets scum win, and you are the only one fighting that)
Champ (Lazy voting is bad, but not necessarily nefarious)
Logic (seems too eager to buy GH's arguments, but also has a bad view of me from other interactions)
Manasai (Lots of posting, little content, very easy place for scum to hide)
GHC (Pushing the easy lynch that he didn't push the rest of the game with any vigor. Ignoring facts to make cases that don't work with
reality.)
I don't think it matters at this point. Champ says he isn't coming back. I think it's most likely that either manasai or logic are scum. Whichever is scum isn't switching their vote. If its logic, the best we could hope for is a tie, and a coin flip to determine whether we survive. If its manasai, logic could switch but he seems tunneled on me pretty hard.
Jabbz sort of meta clears himself there. He has to be a total ahole himself to post that as scum.
Do you agree with this, Jabbz?
I suppose, but that certainly isn't what I'm going for. That type of argument becomes WIFOM way too easy in my opinion. It would be a dick move to fake anger like that yeah.
Mani, if you aren't scum, vote with us, though I'd rather be voting GHC, I know I'm town and voting me loses.
Tally as of post 1758:
Lynch votes
2 votes: Logic (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750827#post2053750827), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750828#post2053750828))
3 votes: Jabbz (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750602#post2053750602), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750639#post2053750639), Champ)
Voting history:
Logic
Manasi
Jabbz
GeneralHankerchief
Jabbz
Logic
Logic
Pretty ironic if it's Logic + GH and Champ isn't coming back after tunneling Logic for 3 days.
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2017, 23:01
That's end of phase.
Stop posting!
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2017, 23:04
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Day Seven
Trainer Versus:
Pokemon League Champion Gary
http://orig04.deviantart.net/ac84/f/2007/342/0/0/silph_co__by_trigononamous.jpg
Silph Co. Building (rooftop)
The intense battle between the trainer and the magnificent Gary Motherf*^&ing Oak continued atop the roof of the famous Silph Co Building.
This was it, the final battle. Neither trainer could back down now. Too much bad blood existed between them.
Gary, the Champion of Kanto, had been tormenting our humble protagonist for as long as the two of them could remember.
It was in this moment that all of that would be resolved. The bully would get his comeuppance, or be vindicated
They fought for pride, not for glory.
They fought for hate, not for titles.
They fought with sheer rage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmHWHrE1ffQ
Gary Oak sent out Charizard, while the trainer sent out Snorlax, counting on its innate Thick Fat ability to cut all fire damage in half.
Gary Oak:
"Charizard, fire blast!"
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/MafiaIMGS/051_zpsqsv1oyn1.png
Snorlax is burned!
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/f/fb/143Snorlax.png/600px-143Snorlax.png
Snorlax used rest!
It began snoring loudly. The damage is healed.
Gary Oak:
"Charizard, dragon claw!!"
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/MafiaIMGS/d4e12be1e163b661733aae400fcd1bc4-d6s9d4o_zps6yxihp8y.png
A harsh blow! Snorlax has nearly fainted!
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/d/d1/012Butterfree.png/600px-012Butterfree.png
Butterfree was sent out.
It used sleep powder!
Charizard fell asleep!
Gary Oak:
"Charizard, return! Go, Gary-dos!"
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/600px-130Gyarados.png
Gyarados was sent out!
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/d/d1/012Butterfree.png/600px-012Butterfree.png
Butterfree used supersonic.
Gyarados became confused!
Gary Oak:
"Gary-dos! Double team!"
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/250px-130Gyarados.pnghttps://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/250px-130Gyarados.png
Gyarados made an illusion of itself!
Gyarados became harder to hit!
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/9/9a/057Primeape.png
Trainer sent out Primeape!
Gyarados hurt itself in confusion!
Gary Oak:
"Gary-dos! Snap out of it. Hyper beam!!"
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/250px-130Gyarados.pnghttps://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/250px-130Gyarados.png
It is still confused!
Gyarados hit itself in its confusion!
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/6/65/056Mankey_AG_anime.png/revision/latest?cb=20140803205845
Primeape used karate chop!
Critical hit!
Gary Oak:
"Gary-dos! Double team again!!"
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/250px-130Gyarados.pnghttps://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/250px-130Gyarados.png
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/250px-130Gyarados.pnghttps://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/250px-130Gyarados.png
Uh oh.... this isn't good...
Gyarados snapped out if its confusion!
. . . . .
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2017, 23:17
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/9/9a/057Primeape.png
Primeape used Swagger!
Gyarados' attack greatly rose, but it became confused again!
Gary Oak:
"Hydro pump! Destroy that smelly ape!"
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/f/ff/Misty%27s_Gyarados_Hydro_Pump.png/revision/latest?cb=20140419202515
A powerful blow!
Primeape has nearly fainted!
Gyarados is still confused!
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/f/fb/143Snorlax.png/600px-143Snorlax.png
Snorlax came back out.
It is still asleep!
Gary Oak:
"Hyper beam! Break through its defenses in one shot!"
http://img15.deviantart.net/2d1c/i/2006/166/9/e/gyarados_used_hyper_beam_by_yushiko.jpg
Gyarados used Hyper beam! A critical hit!
Snorlax has nearly fainted!
Gyarados is still confused!
Trainer:
". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/600px-130Gyarados.png
Trainer sent out a.... Gyarados!?! It's a one-on-four Gyarados fight!
The other Gyarados must recharge!!!
Gary Oak:
"....What!?!"
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2Fb6ce21d2-22a0-4163-9a2c-0f8d70528ffa.png
Gyarados used roar! It forces the other trainer's pokemon to be switched out!
Gary's Charizard is now facing off against the trainer's Gyarados....
Gary Oak:
"Fine. Charizard, use Fly. Don't let him hit you with some water attack!"
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/MafiaIMGS/Charizard-flying_zpst4huu5c0.jpg
Charizard flew up high, avoiding most attacks.
Trainer:
". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/powerlisting/images/5/56/Gyarados_Whirlpool.png/revision/latest?cb=20141231211046
Gyarados used Twister!
It can hit Charizard while it is flying!
Charizard took double damage!
. . . . .
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2017, 23:38
Gary's Charizard swooped down out of the sky....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/MafiaIMGS/d4e12be1e163b661733aae400fcd1bc4-d6s9d4o_zps6yxihp8y.png
Charizard used Fly!
Critical hit!
Gyarados fainted!
Trainer sent out Butterfree!
Gary Oak:
"Fire blast!"
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/MafiaIMGS/051_zpsqsv1oyn1.png
A powerful blow!
Butterfree fainted!
Trainer sent out Snorlax!
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/f/fb/143Snorlax.png/600px-143Snorlax.png
Snorlax came back out.
It is still asleep!
Gary Oak:
"Earthquake!!!"
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Charizard split the earth underneath the heavy pokemon!
Snorlax fainted!
Trainer sent out Primeape!
Trainer:
". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/9/9a/057Primeape.png
This is it! The final battle!
Will Primeape put up a respectable fight?
Gary Oak:
"Do it."
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Dragon Claw!
Primeape fainted!
Trainer:
". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."
Novice, Primeape (evolved Mankey) [Townie] fainted!
Champ, Butterfree (evolved Caterpie) [Townie] fainted!
Logic, Gyarados (evolved Magikarp) [Townie] fainted!
Jabbz, Snorlax [Townie] fainted!
Charmanasi and General Gary-chief survived!
Team Gary wins!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXyWKQ5x3mI
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/344/641/dd6.png
MAFIA VICTORY!!!
Congrats GH, Manasi, and Csargo!
Postgame begins now! You may post!
Well, congratulations scum team. I sit here thinking I am a good candidate for LVP. :-/
Also, I bow to you novice. You had it right, at the end. No hard feelings, I hope?
GeneralHankerchief
06-09-2017, 23:51
GG everyone!
Jabbz, we can chat here or in PM, whichever you prefer.
GeneralHankerchief
06-09-2017, 23:55
Mafia QT:
https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/97SFxyp8ZFaH
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2017, 23:57
Novice had a pretty excellent last day, and Jabbz pushed the two scums down to the bottom 2 in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053750822&viewfull=1#post2053750822). Jabbz all over GH in the final round. Logic at least had Manasi as scum.
But I think town was fairly beaten up and demoralized by then, and couldn't consolidate. And with Champ's vote, it was only a possible tie situation anyway.
Hard fought, town. I'm sorry your efforts weren't fruitful, but that you had fun with the journey and the hunt itself.
I wished I could have seen more bulbakhaan this game, what chaos that would've brought...
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2017, 23:57
https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/fwRWawjrYpd
Dead chat
Also, I bow to you novice. You had it right, at the end. No hard feelings, I hope?
Of course not, sorry if you thought the thread got hostile, that was just a bout of frustration on my part.
I suppose we got somewhat close at the end, but we were all wrong quite frequently as well... Shoutout to El Barto and Montmorency for being right about things most people were wrong about. Although it's not quite clear to me how much El Barto actually suspected Manasi. :)
And very good game by the scum team, one must grudgingly admit.
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2017, 00:05
SeveringViper
Townie
Self-protect (Cannot be used on consecutive nights)
1x roleblock
You may only use one action per night. You can choose to do no action.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
choxorn
Townie
1x block
2x Sleep (roleblocks a target for 3 nights)
You have a one shot standard roleblock, and 2 shots of sleep (status effect).
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
El Barto
Townie
1x Poison
Poison may kill your target at the end of the next night, as it takes a while to have an effect. Poison status can be removed, or protected against, and some may be immune to poison.
You only have one shot.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
Autolycus
Townie
Self-protect (Cannot be used on consecutive nights)
1x roleblock
You may only use one action per night. You can choose to do no action.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
Cuthillius
Townie
1x Poison
Poison may kill your target at the end of the next night, as it takes a while to have an effect. Poison status can be removed, or protected against, and some may be immune to poison.
You only have one shot.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
Montmorency
Townie
1x roleblock
1x weak electric vigilante shot (only kills things that are specifically weak to electricity)
You may only use one action per night.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
Sooh
Townie
1x block
You have a one shot standard roleblock.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
Raith Kemmler
Townie
1x block
You have a one shot standard roleblock.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
Novice
Townie
No abilities
You are a vanilla townie, as far as you know.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
BSmith
Townie
No abilities
You are a vanilla townie, as far as you know.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
Jabbz
Townie
No abilities
You are a vanilla townie, as far as you know.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
Champ
Townie
No abilities
You are a vanilla townie, as far as you know.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
Logic
Townie
No abilities
You are a vanilla townie, as far as you know.
That's all you know about yourself, for balance reasons. Any questions? PM me.
_________________________________
Greetings all.
This is your Team role PM for the Pokemon Mafia.
You are MAFIA.
Manasi, GeneralHankerchief, and Csargo, your objective is to reach parity with the town. Your roles are fairly unique, so read your role PMs carefully and make sure you understand them. It wouldn't hurt to read the Opening Post of the game thread about flavor and role PM claims, to make sure you are fully armed with info.
Please note: Townies have far less info in their role PMs. They don't know what pokemon they are, or what type, and don't have an extensive move set at all, if any. They are bare bones compared to this role PM, for balance reasons.
I am on hand to answer any questions, and you may begin to discuss in this quicktopic here:
https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/97SFxyp8ZFaH
(https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/97SFxyp8ZFaH)
You are the elite Pokemon of Gary Motherf*^&ing Oak. (Hype!)
Fully evolved, and with a moveset that is guaranteed to inflict maximum amounts of pain unto your enemies, your goal might be to win the game, and help Gary Oak become the Champion he is destined to be. Or, you might simply be there to ensure a maximum level of annoyance to the prota-gon-ist, whatever his name is. That's what being a rival is all about. You're in it for the babes, the bucks, and the luls.
This is what you need to know about your team's abilities.
These abilities are shared between all three of you:
Teamkill: Any night, one of you may perform the team's kill. Yes, this can be roleblocked, so you must specify a person to use this ability.
The team kill is Earthquake, a ground-type move which doesn't affect flying types.
Got the flying type blues? You have individual flavorful kills you can use instead of the team's kill in order to target those.
1x Antidote: Use this if you get poisoned so you don't faint. You can choose to save it for later, however, and let a teammate die. Your call.
1x Awaken: Use this if you are afflicted with Sleep Status. Sleep will roleblock you for 3 consecutive nights, the night afflicted, plus two after that. Sleep doesn't mess around.
These abilities are shared between you, so if one of you or two of you die, you retain all of these powers.
------------------Now your individual information-----------------
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/7/7e/006Charizard.png/250px-006Charizard.png
Manasi- Charizard (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Charizard_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29) (aka Charmanasi)
Fire/Flying type (weak to electricity)
Move set:
Fire blast, Fly, Dragon claw, Earthquake
Fire blast or Dragon claw are flavorful attacks that only you have. Useful when Earthquake fails to kill. Only one of you may attack in a given night. Fly is a self-protect move that cannot be used on consecutive nights. Only one of you may use a self-protect move in a given night. Earthquake is your team kill, to be used in place of a flavorful attack.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/250px-130Gyarados.png
GeneralHankerchief- Gyarados (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gyarados_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29) (aka Gyarachief)
Water/Flying type (weak to electricity)
Move set:
Hyper beam, Hydro pump, Double Team, Earthquake
Hyper beam or Hydro pump are flavorful attacks that only you have. Useful when Earthquake fails to kill. Only one of you may attack in a given night. Earthquake is your team kill, to be used in place of a flavorful attack.
Double Team is a self-defense move which will take some time to set up. You must use it 3 nights in a row for it to take effect. It has no effect until the third night, then can be used consecutively instead of any other move, if you wish. You can use this move while one other uses Protect/Endure, until it works, then only one of you may self-protect. If you are the last one alive, you may double team or attack, not both.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/47/214Heracross.png/250px-214Heracross.png
Csargo- Heracross (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Heracross_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29) (aka Csaracross)
Bug/Fighting type
Move set:
Strength, Megahorn, Endure, Earthquake
Strength and Megahorn are flavorful attacks that only you have. Useful when Earthquake fails to kill. Only one of you may attack in a given night. Endure is a self-protect move that cannot be used on consecutive nights. Only one of you may use a self-protect move in a given night. Earthquake is your team kill, to be used in place of a flavorful attack.
So, on a given night, one of you can kill, one of you can self-protect, and GH can set up his double team, until it's all set up on the third night. Then only one self-protect can be used.
You may send in moves for each other, in case the others are absent. I will only accept the most recent order.
It might be wise to send in all your orders in one role PM.
You can send them via the quicktopic, but make sure I can see them. Use bold tags on the QT to highlight them.
Sample:
Manasi uses Fly
Generalhankerchief uses Double Team
Csargo uses Earthquake on ______
All clear? Ask me anything. There are some things you don't know and I can't answer, but I'll be able to answer other questions. Use the quicktopic or PM.
_________________________________
Greetings, khaan
You have randed: 3rd party (Team LeafGreen)
Neither town nor mafia, your objective is to survive the game (if it ends before final 4), or make it to final 4 alive. You do not need to defeat a specific team or kill 'em all in order to win. Thus, your win condition is technically compatible with either town or mafia. However, you do need to survive that long, and there are hostile things out there trying to kill you, so sometimes the best defense is a good o-ffense. Boot to the head, and all that.
Flavor:
You must know that all townies do not know what pokemon they are, or what type, or the name of their moves (if any) at game start. Their roles are particularly bland, to limit their info. The rules covering role PM claims in the opening post should cover your butt if people ask about your role. You can claim to be an ordinary townie, or one with one time powers of your choice, or something more powerful if you choose. Your ability to fake claim is not likely to result in anyone knowing for a fact that you are lying. That's as much as I can give you on that. Most townies do not have a move, or more than one move. I power up my 3rd parties, as you know. Gives you a shot at winning.
You are Bulbasaur. (Grass/Poison type)
Your move set: Solar beam, Sludge bomb, Earthquake, Protect
Most players do not have such an extensive move set, or know the flavor of their moves. Many have none.
You may use Protect on non-consecutive nights to protect yourself against all damage. So your survival is largely within your control. Although a concerted attack on you will kill you on a consecutive night. Protect fails if used twice in a row. You can use it twice in a row in order to specifically do nothing, if you wish. It will work again on the third consecutive night, and so forth
You may use Sludge Bomb on non-consecutive nights. It poisons a pokemon and it will faint at the end of the next Night phase, but be alive until then. It doesn't kill instantly. The non-flavor name of this move is "poison" if you wish to claim it. This move is invisible in the write-ups until the target dies. If you use this, the next night must be a vig or protect.
You may use one of the two flavor vigs, Solar Beam or Earthquake (whichever one you like) on non-consecutive nights. This counts as the same move, although the effect may be slightly different. These moves are visible in the write-up, but the source is unknown. Both moves can kill almost all pokemon. If you use one of these, the next night must be a protect or poison. You will be aware if your target was protected if the move fails for that reason. Solar Beam is more unique to you, Earthquake may be more generic.
You are mega-tough, and are immune to the following kinds of attack:
Poison Status, Electric attacks, and Sleep status. (Sleep status means being roleblocked for 3 consecutive nights).
You can be roleblocked for a single night at a time, however. You are also vulnerable to attacks any night you are not self-protecting.
The role may look complicated but I am here to answer any question you may have. I sincerely hope you have fun with the role, good luck!
That deadchat was painful to read.
I was driving home from work as day was ending, so I didn't even have a chance to change it up or defend myself.
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2017, 00:13
Everything is way more obvious when you're already spoiled, or in retrospect.
Happens to lots of towns. Don't beat yourselves up. It's a guessing game. Guessing wrong is still okay.
Guessing right without consensus is frustrating but also one of the ways town is handicapped.
Of course not, sorry if you thought the thread got hostile, that was just a bout of frustration on my part.
I suppose we got somewhat close at the end, but we were all wrong quite frequently as well... Shoutout to El Barto and Montmorency for being right about things most people were wrong about. Although it's not quite clear to me how much El Barto actually suspected Manasi. :)
And very good game by the scum team, one must grudgingly admit.
I don't know if I would say hostile, but uncomfortable, for sure. My own "Manasi was healed by scum" theory should have clicked with me more, and I should have rushed to lynch her.
Everything is way more obvious when you're already spoiled, or in retrospect.
Happens to lots of towns. Don't beat yourselves up. It's a guessing game. Guessing wrong is still okay.
Guessing right without consensus is frustrating but also one of the ways town is handicapped.
I'm not beating myself up about it, but I would be if I was the swing vote that lost us the game.
GH's ability got me killed imo.
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2017, 00:29
Hi.
Love u guys.
You were so openly wolfing for almost the entire game. How!? How.....!??
I wrote you off as definitely dead like 3 rounds ago.
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2017, 00:37
I threw the game design together sloppily. Some parts didn't even make much sense, like what was the disadvantage to using the flavor kills for the mafia team? Earthquake is weak against pidgey, but they could just use a different kill instead and it would kill everything. I decided if I just didn't tell the mafia team that, they'd use earthquake until they hit someone they couldn't kill. A really sloppy design choice that wasn't apparent because I just didn't tell the scums that the flavor kills were better.
Also, I was worried about sleep being overpowered, scums not having a roleblock to compensate, and town having multiple poisons and a chance to kill a scumbag with a vig, plus a serial killer in the game who can poison or vig.
I actually thought I stacked the deck against the mafia team slightly, and that it would have been a likely 3rd party and town victory.
Things didn't play out that way. Thoughts on balance?
Well, congratulations scum team. I sit here thinking I am a good candidate for LVP. :-/
Champ did not try or care at all at any point in this game that I could tell. You at least tried, even if it was sometimes frustrating to watch. ~;p
I threw the game design together sloppily. Some parts didn't even make much sense, like what was the disadvantage to using the flavor kills for the mafia team? Earthquake is weak against pidgey, but they could just use a different kill instead and it would kill everything. I decided if I just didn't tell the mafia team that, they'd use earthquake until they hit someone they couldn't kill. A really sloppy design choice that wasn't apparent because I just didn't tell the scums that the flavor kills were better.
Also, I was worried about sleep being overpowered, scums not having a roleblock to compensate, and town having multiple poisons and a chance to kill a scumbag with a vig, plus a serial killer in the game who can poison or vig.
I actually thought I stacked the deck against the mafia team slightly, and that it would have been a likely 3rd party and town victory.
Things didn't play out that way. Thoughts on balance?
I think the setup was townsided, though I haven't looked at it in close detail.
Thanks for hosting pizza. And gg everyone, novice and gh especially. :2thumbsup:
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2017, 00:58
I do want to say about the scum team: Each of them played a nearly perfect game. Even when legitimate suspicion came, like on Manasi, she was basically in anti-spew the entire time. I am not sure Csargo goes down without being caught via block, and his death didn't immediately point to GH or Manasi as partners since he played it so well. GH was a total beast.
That was a really well played scum game. Besides mechanical stuff, and Manasi's anti-spew, I wasn't seeing a reason for town to even go after them. And even if they did, it wouldn't implicate the others. That's how it's done.
GeneralHankerchief
06-10-2017, 00:58
This was one of the first .Org games where I consciously just tried to mislynch as many people as possible and leave the biggest trail of corpses in my wake as I could moreso than trying to appear town and slide through the game. A side objective for me was to try to pull off the sweep, and I think we might have had an outside shot of it had Zack not correctly roleblocked Csargo the night we tried to kill Zack. :laugh4: All in all I think this went fairly well, though it was a super high-wire act at points.
I did have a backup plan should Manasi have gone down this phase: That night, after novice was inevitably NK'd, I was going to say "okay look, Gyarados has been doing the kills, the night Monty tried to vig someone it obviously didn't work and Monty was hell-bent for my head, Gyarados is weak to thunder, I'm lock clear". I think it would have worked. :laugh4:
-edit- and of course, I'd like to thank Csargo and Manasi for being excellent partners, hopefully they'll have their own personal perspectives to add on. :2thumbsup:
Montmorency
06-10-2017, 01:07
I had GH totally pegged. That case you made against Khaan was alignment indicative for its scummy PIS construction, and you did nothing to recover. Chaos vote clearly a ploy to balance scum distribution on wagons, and reprise a move usually associated in our minds with Town GH. You did smart limiting your engagement with me to occasional whining and shading about my case, you couldn't afford a thread-dominating conflagration. Sweat it out, and that's how time kills an issue in every townie's mind.
Apologies to novice for panicking and fumbling at the end: with the data locked up in Barto lynch, and confusion over the Scum#3 pool, and wanting to pin down GH partnerless for maximum effect, and Jabbz town not bringing me to Manasi scum, and Jabbz only scum with novice...I was overwhelmed with confusion and distraction and didn't play effectively. I regret not tunneling hard enough. Here's the list of likely pairings I sent to Pizza after the Barto lynch for full sad trombone:
Likely Pairs: Novice-Jabbz | Novice-Champ | | GH-Logic | Novice-Logic | GH-Manasi
I attacked you N2, novice, pretty much randomly from a large group of candidates, including Manasi. I didn't attack GH because I figured I could lynch him next day, so two birds and all that. So I suppose I fumbled twice.
Prior to late D6, it's hard for me to judge Manasi's scumminess against her other game here. I mean, I want to call her style scummy overall, but that clearly didn't work out well for us/me in French Rev. I thought I made an appropriate adjustment, don't know how to fix it. Champ at least cleared himself with desperation toward the end.
Grats to novice and Zack for best town. Barto for towniest play on the day he died. Jabbz for purity. Viper for heart. Sooh for starting strong. Everyone else for almost saving the day. Thank you to host Pizza, for a fun game. I came in wanting to eat a Mafia nightkill pronto, but just when I think I'm out, gameflow investment pulls me back in.
This was one of the first .Org games where I consciously just tried to mislynch as many people as possible and leave the biggest trail of corpses in my wake as I could moreso than trying to appear town and slide through the game.
active > reactive > passive
Now that everyone is spoiled, they can look back and see how extremely pro-wolf manasi played all game and got widely town read for it. Wolves often overthink and take pro-town actions unnecessarily.
GeneralHankerchief
06-10-2017, 01:10
Chaos vote clearly a ploy to balance scum distribution on wagons, and reprise a move usually associated in our minds with Town GH.
Actually not the reason why I did it. When I was catching up at that highway rest stop (wasn't lying about that) what struck me was how the Raith wagon came out of nowhere and how he might be able to recover if he survived this lynch. Choxorn (before he subbed out anyway) was looking like an easy lynch later on. So I went with the limited-opportunity target.
Montmorency
06-10-2017, 01:11
Oh, and of course I have to mention Csargo for his sneaky performance as scum, another individual best (in my memory of you people) after Choxorn's show last game.
Montmorency
06-10-2017, 01:13
active > reactive > passive
Now that everyone is spoiled, they can look back and see how extremely pro-wolf manasi played all game and got widely town read for it. Wolves often overthink and take pro-town actions unnecessarily.
Can you give tips and examples from this game now, so we don't lynch her as town real quick in later games?
Can you give tips and examples from this game now, so we don't lynch her as town real quick in later games?
Well, i just meant stuff like always listing her wolf partners as her town circle and never voicing any suspicion of them.
Personally my method of reading manasi is hoping one of us dies before i have to make an actual decision on the matter. :laugh4:
Oh, and of course I have to mention Csargo for his sneaky performance as scum, another individual best (in my memory of you people) after Choxorn's show last game.
Thanks for that Monty. I'll post my thoughts on the game when I get home. Congrats to my teammates for carrying me to victory. They both played an extremely great game.
This is probably the first game where I've felt "at home" here at the org. I know some people were surprised by my level of engagement and volume. I have to say I was as well, but that explains why. I enjoyed playing with everyone, even butting heads with Viper, because it's all in the game and nothing more than that. I have great respect for your game, even if it does puzzle me sometimes.
Novice, you were an easy clear for me this game.
Anyone else who I might have accurately read... what can I say, I'm a good guesser :P
Anyone I might have inaccurately read... add a "sometimes" to the previous statement.
;)
What can I do to annoy El Barto? hm... Hopefully I already have somehow in the above :P <3
Oh I cleared both of them
GeneralHankerchief
06-10-2017, 01:54
Oh I cleared both of them
No bobbyknight.gif?
I really wanted a bobbyknight.gif from you. :bigcry:
https://i.imgur.com/AsbfJ0e.png
GeneralHankerchief - Likely town. Spew looks good for him. Plus he looks town and I don't buy any of the arguments that have been used against him.
https://i.imgur.com/CW37sCz.png
GeneralHankerchief
06-10-2017, 02:01
Zack, who did you block with your 1x ability that you didn't tell the town about? Was it during the night you died?
Zack, who did you block with your 1x ability that you didn't tell the town about? Was it during the night you died?
I used it on Jabbz the night I died, though I came pretty close to switching to Manasi (though it wouldn't have mattered). Choxorn didn't use any actions.
El Barto
06-10-2017, 02:05
All the above is quite the proof that you can play mafia meaningfully while using complete sentences, proper spelling and punctuation, and that you can have fun while doing that.
Hi.
Love u guys.
I told you I didn't regret poisoning you, didn't I?
I'm not beating myself up about it, but I would be if I was the swing vote that lost us the game.Champ did not try or care at all at any point in this game that I could tell. You at least tried, even if it was sometimes frustrating to watch. ~;p
+1.
…
I find myself giving +1s to Zack too often. You should return to CFC, man -we have implemented likes for some stupid reason.
This is probably the first game where I've felt "at home" here at the org.
Well, finally!
Montmorency
06-10-2017, 02:10
I used it on Jabbz the night I died, though I came pretty close to switching to Manasi (though it wouldn't have mattered). Choxorn didn't use any actions.
Called it. However, it was GH killing unopposed, not novice. /sadface
My ideal game would have been for the self-protectors to out themselves and chain up to confound the Mafia kill. Eventually the Mafia have to try to kill them, but the possibility of hitting one of the protections is devastating to Mafia morale and strategy.
By the grace of Rand do Mafia live! Oh well...
GeneralHankerchief
06-10-2017, 04:34
Just read the deadchat, two quick comments:
I more-or-less randomly vigged novice because I figured I had enough capital to lynch GH, and didn't feel like trying Sooh, Barto, or Manasi.
I feel like this mindset in general isn't optimal town play, weighing capital to lynch a person etc etc etc. If you're town, and you have a chance to kill your biggest scumread, you take that chance. Formulate a list of who you think will flip red and do whatever you can (while obviously always continuously evaluating and revising your reads as new information comes in) to see that those people do flip. Mafia is a complicated enough game as it is, don't overthink this part. Leave the overthinking to the people who roll scum. :yes:
Town just not in a mechanical solving mode, and the scums have no interest in calling a spade a spade and admitting manasi is caught dead to rights. No bus, no mechanical solve from town, gg.
The thing that worried me most in the entire game was the fact that, aside from one sort-of pointed question towards her on D2, I didn't reference the Manasi poisoning. At all. I knew that if somebody picked up on that, we were dead, but two things stopped me from doing this: First, I wasn't sure what to say. I could have pushed her, but there were always more pressing concerns to deal with with my limited time in the thread. Second, I wasn't particularly concerned with hiding in this game. I was more concerned with killing.
This ultimately led to the Final 6 situation where novice, Jabbz, and I think Logic all commented on the Manasi situation at various points during the day and she looked like a sure lynch. I was internally debating back and forth all day whether to keep pushing Logic or to bus, and then Jabbz left me an opening (the "slip") which I decided to go for. Even then it wasn't a sure thing, but by that point in the game I was basically mentally exhausted and decided ":daisy: it, I'm ending this game now" and made my big post against Jabbz.
I hope he didn't take it too hard and I welcome the opportunity to chat with him, either here or in private. :bow:
I felt this game was somewhat townsided, but we ended up making few mistakes and got lucky in a lot of ways. I'm not sure if khaan as the day one lynch was good or bad for us, but it definitely removed a potential threat immediately, so I'd lean it was good for our team. Our kills never failed, with the exception of Zack :soapbox:, so we got lucky there as well. The townies immune to earthquake were all lynched, so again lucky break for us in that regard I think. That said I still think the individual play of my teammates was fantastic, and they both were excellent teammates. The only mistake we made was probably should have killed Zack when we killed BSmith, since Zack was never going to get lynched. Or just gave up on GH's special protection the next night, and let him do the kill.
As far as my own game, I came in with a similar mindset to GH's described style. I wasn't really bothered by being on mislynch wagons, I think I was on all of them except Raith iirc. I voted people I probably would have as town, with the exception of SV, for decent reasons. I'll let other's judge my play, because I'm honestly not sure how to analyze myself fairly. I feel like I could have done a better job reacting to Zack's claim, but I'm not sure what that would have been. I think I at least did a decent job of ruining the discussion that day somewhat.
Well, i just meant stuff like always listing her wolf partners as her town circle and never voicing any suspicion of them.
Personally my method of reading manasi is hoping one of us dies before i have to make an actual decision on the matter. :laugh4:
Despite how much I do prefer playing on this site, I find it really REALLY hard to stay motivated and focused with the long phases.
Maybe it was a shit situation life-wise but I really couldn't get into the game.
I felt this game was somewhat townsided, but we ended up making few mistakes and got lucky in a lot of ways. I'm not sure if khaan as the day one lynch was good or bad for us, but it definitely removed a potential threat immediately, so I'd lean it was good for our team. Our kills never failed, with the exception of Zack :soapbox:, so we got lucky there as well. The townies immune to earthquake were all lynched, so again lucky break for us in that regard I think. That said I still think the individual play of my teammates was fantastic, and they both were excellent teammates. The only mistake we made was probably should have killed Zack when we killed BSmith, since Zack was never going to get lynched. Or just gave up on GH's special protection the next night, and let him do the kill.
As far as my own game, I came in with a similar mindset to GH's described style. I wasn't really bothered by being on mislynch wagons, I think I was on all of them except Raith iirc. I voted people I probably would have as town, with the exception of SV, for decent reasons. I'll let other's judge my play, because I'm honestly not sure how to analyze myself fairly. I feel like I could have done a better job reacting to Zack's claim, but I'm not sure what that would have been. I think I at least did a decent job of ruining the discussion that day somewhat.
I thought your auto vote was pretty wolfy.
Despite how much I do prefer playing on this site, I find it really REALLY hard to stay motivated and focused with the long phases.
Maybe it was a shit situation life-wise but I really couldn't get into the game.
I don't mind too much but it's what I grew up with. The 24 hour nights are kinda rough though.
I thought your auto vote was pretty wolfy.
Was that not just because you thought I was trying to protect Monty? Honestly, I'm like 80% sure I would have made that vote as town, because I just don't agree with the reasoning he used to justify voting outside of both(?) his scumreads at the time to vote a null-lurker in BSmith. Maybe you're right though, I'm not sure.
Was that not just because you thought I was trying to protect Monty? Honestly, I'm like 80% sure I would have made that vote as town, because I just don't agree with the reasoning he used to justify voting outside of both(?) his scumreads at the time to vote a null-lurker in BSmith. Maybe you're right though, I'm not sure.
Partially, but I thought it was a weird thing to bring up and feel so apparently strongly about, especially so long after it happened. Seemed like latching onto a reason to push an easy lurker mislynch. I mean, I asked him about it, noted it was a bit weird, thought it was bizarre for that to catapult him into "must lynch right now" territory by itself.
I don't mind too much but it's what I grew up with. The 24 hour nights are kinda rough though.
Yeah I duno.
GH talked to me about the game earlier this afternoon and I legitimately thought it was a night phase.
Dunno.
I like the pace only bc I don't have to be ITT all the time, but feel like it's unrealistic to be like OK I LIKE HOW SLOW THIS IS BUT ALSO PLS BE IN THE THREAD WHEN I AM
/shrug
Partially, but I thought it was a weird thing to bring up and feel so apparently strongly about, especially so long after it happened. Seemed like latching onto a reason to push an easy lurker mislynch. I mean, I asked him about it, noted it was a bit weird, thought it was bizarre for that to catapult him into "must lynch right now" territory by itself.
I honestly didn't expect it to turn into anything, but SV sheeped me and Monty self-pres voted him. I thought Monty was going to be the lynch that day, and there was no way I could vote Monty, because I had been calling him town for basically the entire game. I was intending my vote to be a one off, but it didn't end up that way.
I used it on Jabbz the night I died, though I came pretty close to switching to Manasi (though it wouldn't have mattered). Choxorn didn't use any actions.
I only had that role for a night or two, IIRC, and didn't really have any good suspects to use them on yet.
El Barto, who were you roleplaying?
El Barto
06-10-2017, 20:35
Despite how much I do prefer playing on this site, I find it really REALLY hard to stay motivated and focused with the long phases.
Maybe it was a shit situation life-wise but I really couldn't get into the game.
You could always play two of these games at the same time. If one's in a night phase while the other's on a day phase you get enough of a daily dose to survive.
Also, no hard feelings. But I did think you were scummy.
El Barto, who were you roleplaying?
Mostly Jack Donaghy (nobody got all the references to my mistaking people for Liz and Tracy?) with a side of the Fez (I said good day).
seireikhaan
06-10-2017, 20:51
I felt this game was somewhat townsided, but we ended up making few mistakes and got lucky in a lot of ways. I'm not sure if khaan as the day one lynch was good or bad for us, but it definitely removed a potential threat immediately, so I'd lean it was good for our team. Our kills never failed, with the exception of Zack :soapbox:, so we got lucky there as well. The townies immune to earthquake were all lynched, so again lucky break for us in that regard I think. That said I still think the individual play of my teammates was fantastic, and they both were excellent teammates. The only mistake we made was probably should have killed Zack when we killed BSmith, since Zack was never going to get lynched. Or just gave up on GH's special protection the next night, and let him do the kill.
As far as my own game, I came in with a similar mindset to GH's described style. I wasn't really bothered by being on mislynch wagons, I think I was on all of them except Raith iirc. I voted people I probably would have as town, with the exception of SV, for decent reasons. I'll let other's judge my play, because I'm honestly not sure how to analyze myself fairly. I feel like I could have done a better job reacting to Zack's claim, but I'm not sure what that would have been. I think I at least did a decent job of ruining the discussion that day somewhat.
It was good for you guys. Well, at least that the *result* was my lynch. I was murdering the bejeezus out of GH for that day 1 case if I had survived. I'd say I was shocked and appalled that I actually got lynched for not role playing on day 1 but.... well, it's day 1. C'est la vie.
Anyways, neverlucky rubberducky. Bulby always getting the short end of the leek. Thanks to Pizza for hosting. Nice writeups, as always. :bow:
It was good for you guys. Well, at least that the *result* was my lynch. I was murdering the bejeezus out of GH for that day 1 case if I had survived. I'd say I was shocked and appalled that I actually got lynched for not role playing on day 1 but.... well, it's day 1. C'est la vie.
Anyways, neverlucky rubberducky. Bulby always getting the short end of the leek. Thanks to Pizza for hosting. Nice writeups, as always. :bow:
I kinda figured that would be the case, so I thought it was good for us. I left my vote on you because you were in between in all honesty, so I thought something was up. Had you gone full character or full ooc I probably would have moved my vote, but you never did.
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