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Montmorency
06-02-2017, 23:19
what is with you and liberals this game
Some Hard Rock Cafe show character.
El Barto
06-02-2017, 23:20
No, but you are, at least, right, about me being quite a character.
How is his scum game then?
Sorry about talking around you, I'll try not to. It happens when you expect others to only be around in bursts, I suppose. I tend to only address people directly when they have a more constant thread presence. My bad.
Appreciate it
Can u RDS list manasi
Doesn't that mean reads
Not until I get back to Kamil's and even then idk if I'll be awake/have a computer
These are the only times Jabbz interacts with or mentions Csargo all game. It's especially worth noting because he gives a fairly sizeable impressions post earlier on (here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749062#post2053749062)) that doesn't mention him at all.
This is disingenuous at best. I don't talk about most people this game, as my level of interaction has been exceedingly low. Further, in that post I only mention 5 people, out of the 13 in game at that moment. This is my problem with your arguments to date, you are forcing facts to fit your narrative, rather than shaping your narrative around the facts. Town has no need to do that.
Thoughts on Zack/Csargo/Monty?
Zack I read as town. I wasn't overly impressed with Choxorn's case, but I also wasn't overly bothered by it. It was day 1 (I think?) and not much was substantial. Zack's play however has rung heavily town. He seems calm and collected, and appears to be following leads wherever they go, as opposed to having a destination in mind already and following whatever gets you there. To me that is good town behavior.
Csargo I know has been under heavy scrutiny, but to be honest I've not followed the arguments against him as thoroughly as I should have. He's on my list to ISO, and I will likely get to him soon.
Monty I'm hedging scummy against, but I have a hard time articulating the why of it, even to myself. Something just feels off about his engagements. I know that's not a helpful answer, but it's what I've got.
Can monty or someone restate the case on barto?
My case on Barto is that he is failing to engage arguments in responses to his claims, and cherry picking in order to keep his vote on low hanging fruit (me). Someone who is genuinely looking for scum looks at all the arguments, not just ones that allow you to keep viewing the world the way you want to, especially when the fact that you missed those arguments is pointed out to you repeatedly. It's just scummy behavior.
El Barto
06-03-2017, 02:51
This is disingenuous at best. I don't talk about most people this game, as my level of interaction has been exceedingly low. Further, in that post I only mention 5 people, out of the 13 in game at that moment. This is my problem with your arguments to date, you are forcing facts to fit your narrative, rather than shaping your narrative around the facts. Town has no need to do that.
(…) Monty I'm hedging scummy against, but I have a hard time articulating the why of it, even to myself. Something just feels off about his engagements. I know that's not a helpful answer, but it's what I've got.
Well, if you want to compensate for your admittedly low level of interaction, you could compare Monty's behaviour during this game to that in his last mafia one (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game) (we were partners, with atpg subbing in for our final third mafiosa.
My case on Barto is that he is failing to engage arguments in responses to his claims, and cherry picking in order to keep his vote on low hanging fruit (me). Someone who is genuinely looking for scum looks at all the arguments, not just ones that allow you to keep viewing the world the way you want to, especially when the fact that you missed those arguments is pointed out to you repeatedly. It's just scummy behavior.
Besides the fact that I am not voting for you anymore, Jabbz, we can say that summy behaviour is what I do most often as town.
Well, if you want to compensate for your admittedly low level of interaction, you could compare Monty's behaviour during this game to that in his last mafia one (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152287-Visor-s-Small-Mafia-Game) (we were partners, with atpg subbing in for our final third mafiosa.
WTF? I don't have time to engage this game as much as I'd like, so your solution is for me to read an entire other game? That doesn't make sense in any way shape or form.
Besides the fact that I am not voting for you anymore, Jabbz, we can say that summy behaviour is what I do most often as town.
Well given that my vote isn't based on OMGUS, it doesn't matter much whether you're voting for me. As to scummy behavior, if that's your town game that sucks, but I'm working with what I have this game.
El Barto
06-03-2017, 03:12
WTF? I don't have time to engage this game as much as I'd like, so your solution is for me to read an entire other game? That doesn't make sense in any way shape or form.
If you have the time, read the post-game commentary (the last 1 or 2 pages). It will do you good.
Appreciate it
You forgot to answer this though:
How is his scum game then?
I thought you wanted to chat... :/
Seriously though I'd rather hear your reads in general. Unless you have some unique insight into Zack.
This post makes me strongly suspect logic is vanilla town, based on the phrasing of my role pm.
I'd be pretty surprised if mafia didn't have access to some sort of vanilla town Role PM. Given personal experience with past Pizza games, and this:
9. Mafia's info
The mafia will know who they are and have powers they can safely claim. Try to brute force my game, and prepare for disappointment. They'll always have more info than you.
Look, you don't need to be as poisonous as an Arbok.
Reminder that Barto hinted at his role pretty early D1. Then claimed the poisoning on Manasi when it could easily have been blamed on Cuth.
If Barto's a wolf, that seems extremely reckless.
Though Csargo voted Viper over Barto, their interactions seem vaguely w/w, and in the QT link GH posted, Barto and Pizza discuss Barto breadcrumbing his wolf vig and then claiming it (in visor's small mafia game).
:smug:
Don't forget this either.
Monty looks least bad out of these votes because of consistency.
Barto and Csargo both tried to push Champ, who I lean towards being a scapegoat rather than a wolf.
Tally as of post 972:
Lynch votes
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748853#post2053748853), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748916#post2053748916))
2 votes: Champ (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748912#post2053748912), Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748996#post2053748996))
2 votes: Montmorency (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748984#post2053748984), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749106#post2053749106))
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749036#post2053749036), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749058#post2053749058))
1 votes: Zack (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748950#post2053748950))
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749060#post2053749060))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749131#post2053749131))
Voting history:
Since there's no posting at night I'll do one of those cheesy "If I'm killed" speeches now.
Given the split votes right now there must be some scum in the danger zone. The split might look comfortable for scum because town is so disorganized, but it's also highly volatile and thus uncomfortable for scum (thanks to Pizza for teaching me this).
Remember this tally and subsequent vote switches when analyzing today.
Are we just ignoring the fact that auto came in with that readlist with 2 scum leans and then voted BSmith? Is that not as weird as I think it is?
Unvote: Champ, Vote:autolycus
I'm just going to blindly trust Zack on Champ I guess, plus he was here and posted so seems good.
Why are we still discussing Monty's case on GH? It's bad, I thought that was already established. Discussing it further doesn't make it more or less bad. I don't know what to say at this point really.
Zack's stock is on the rise it seems.
All this time I thought Csargo was so insistent on Auto cfd to save Monty.
Maybe he was trying to save Jabbz.
SV has been entirely forgettable the last two days as well, after his D1 post bonanza.
still confused why viper went all in on me for shading him and placed all his trust in csargo...
Montmorency
06-03-2017, 20:37
Reminder that Barto hinted at his role pretty early D1. Then claimed the poisoning on Manasi when it could easily have been blamed on Cuth.
If Barto's a wolf, that seems extremely reckless.
I asked him about it earlier in this round. He claims it wasn't breadcrumbing, that he wouldn't crumb a power before he used it.
I took the thunderbolt to signify Zack replacing Choxorn, no?
i guess this was some sort of awkward attempt at deflecting attention away from it? Find it kinda hard to believe wolf csargo would actually believe this, even if it was a vigkill or something that the mafia didn't do.
I'd be pretty surprised if mafia didn't have access to some sort of vanilla town Role PM. Given personal experience with past Pizza games, and this:
You're ignoring the clarification later where I talk about mindset and context.
Well I'm not sure I'm going to be around at EOD, so I'll throw my vote out now. It doesn't really seem to matter given that there is little chance CSargo isn't swinging. I still think Barto and GHC are the likely scum, and I'll stand by that. Vote: El Barto
In before someone says I'm trying to save CSargo. He's ahead by 5 votes, nothing I do could change that with 2h left.
Well I'm not sure I'm going to be around at EOD, so I'll throw my vote out now. It doesn't really seem to matter given that there is little chance CSargo isn't swinging. I still think Barto and GHC are the likely scum, and I'll stand by that. Vote: El Barto
In before someone says I'm trying to save CSargo. He's ahead by 5 votes, nothing I do could change that with 2h left.
Why GH? I think he is completely out of my POE.
I asked him about it earlier in this round. He claims it wasn't breadcrumbing, that he wouldn't crumb a power before he used it.
hmm
what are your reads at now?
If that is indeed the case, I will retract my admonishment of El Barto. But I cannot find the statement made by Csargo that El Barto is referencing.
Logic
Barto's probably my favorite player of all time. Well, except Sasaki, but that's not even a fair comparison.
Why GH? I think he is completely out of my POE.
Very similar lines. He cherry picks arguments rather than chasing down the facts. Scum does that, town doesn't. You don't have to agree with my arguments, that's an important part of the game. But choosing to ignore arguments that don't allow you to support your narrative makes your narrative look fishy as heck.
Montmorency
06-03-2017, 21:47
hmm
what are your reads at now?
If hope we can agree at least on Barto lunch for tomorrow. Jabbz is still too high for lynch. Can't analyses presently
If hope we can agree at least on Barto lunch for tomorrow. Jabbz is still too high for lynch. Can't analyses presently
I don't get why you have Jabbz high at all?
El Barto
06-03-2017, 22:24
I think you will find me quite indigestible, Monsieur d'Montmorency. Also, your conjugation is hurtfully wrong.
I'm out for the day and expect to be killed tonight, so I'll leave a big post probably no one will care about once I'm dead.
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My role is actually a little different than what I was claiming and hinting at. I'm not a standard roleblocker - instead I have 2x super roleblock (the target is blocked for three nights instead of just one).
choxorn never used an ability.
On N3, I used one on Monty. Didn't seem to be any interruption in nightkills, though considering Monty was under lot of heat, he probably wouldn't have been the one doing nightkills anyway unless his partners were in worse spots.
On N4, I used the other on Csargo. I know he's lying about blocking me because I received confirmation that Csargo was blocked last night and the subsequent two nights.
From Csargo and Monty's reactions, Monty seemed completely unaware that he was blocked at any point in time or that Csargo was blocked. Csargo's response to my softclaim made it clear that he was in fact the one whose nightkill was stopped. It was theoretically possible that Monty tried to do the kill for the wolves last night while he was still blocked and that's why it failed (though I don't know how likely that scenario is, depending on what Pizza tells the people targeted by my ability), but Csargo essentially confirmed that was not the case.
I have nothing left, I'm spent unfortunately.
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Zack - Me. I'm town.
Csargo - Wolf. Blocked and no nightkill. Lied about roleblocking me last night. Lolcatting.
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Novice - Very likely town. Active, prodding, top poster. He mentioned in Tokens, where he was a wolf, he was townread all game and survived to the end. I looked and saw he had less than a third as many posts in that game as he does here, so didn't bother looking into it further just for paranoid tinfoil.
Montmorency - Likely town. I think his reaction earlier today went past the point of performance art. I do have some pause for how Csargo and Monty have interacted all game, but I think Monty's just town.
GeneralHankerchief - Likely town. Spew looks good for him. Plus he looks town and I don't buy any of the arguments that have been used against him.
Champ - Lean town. He feels like a scapegoat. His posts are within his town range and I can see some of things that could indicate town mindset. It's all so absurdly low effort that I can't give any more confidence than this.
Logic - Null. Not sure how to feel about this slot. Some of his posts I've liked, some I haven't been so crazy about.
Manasi - POE. Don't like the pop in / pop out thing, it's something I've seen her do as a wolf - where she'll pop in to say hey what's up, then not really say anything and leave, repeat. She has not had the WIM she claimed.
El Barto - POE. This has been done to death. On re-read a lot of his posts rub me the wrong way. On actually looking into that one QT, claiming the poison seems in his wheelhouse. Don't forget what GH said about Barto bussing/distancing either, it's true - his thing with Jabbz is not clearing in any way.
Jabbz - POE. Kind of underwhelming all game (I don't want to hear about time constraints, this is a quality issue not quantity). He hasn't seemed overly concerned with hunting, and his GH push falls really flat. His treatment of Logic is bizarre, and being so confident about it with no paranoia is off. I think GH has made good points here.
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/175990963276087296/320667721241067520/mafiabrain.png
El Barto
06-03-2017, 22:34
I'd like to thank you for that, Zack. Especially the imagery.
Askthepizzaguy
06-03-2017, 23:01
round over, stop posting!
Askthepizzaguy
06-03-2017, 23:18
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/MafiaIMGS/Nuz_zpsnultvgeg.png
Day Five
Gary Oak was on his way to the Elite Four when his racecar full of trophies and badges stalled out on the train tracks.
In the sky, a plane full of Team Rocket members suddenly began to plummet from the sky, as each of the engines fell off, because they were not securely attached.
A busload full of Youngsters and Rattatas, each wearing shorts (The youngsters, not the rattatas) started speeding up uncontrollably.
A bandwagon tried to pass Gary's car, but instead crashed right into it.
The tectonic plates underneath the entire Kanto region began to shift.
The sky turned from sunshine to hail, and Gary was buffeted by the damage.
The plane, the train, and the bus all crashed into Gary's car at the same time, and the bandwagon exploded quite by accident, spontaneously, in a remarkable coincidence, just as the earth opened up and swallowed everything.
The explosion was massive.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kMbU05p_KWY/maxresdefault.jpg
Gary just barely managed to escape from the blast by riding his Charizard.
Unfortunately, one of his beloved pokemon was still in the csar at the time. He will be sorely missed.
Team Gary 4 Life. Tru original gangsta. RIP.
Csargo fainted!
He was...
Heracross, Level 38
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/47/214Heracross.png/250px-214Heracross.png
Mafia
Unlimited Self-protect (Cannot be used on consecutive nights)
Various kill abilities
https://i.giphy.com/RP7wUVwZ6Q716.gif
Team Gary. Original Gangstas.
Begin Night Five.
Do Not Post! It is Night!
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2017, 22:34
orders locked.
Askthepizzaguy
06-04-2017, 22:39
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/MafiaIMGS/Nuz_zpsnultvgeg.png
Night Five
The trainer had little choice but to try fishing for some new pokemon. So they stood on the docks in Vermillion City and attempted to catch fish.
Not only would it be a potential source of new pokemon, but it would also provide an opportunity for the trainer to level up some of their grass-type pokemon.
Well, this time, they got a big one on the hook. A really big one. In fact, the old rod flew out of the young kid's hands, and flew high into the air.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/600px-130Gyarados.png
Gyarados
Well, this would certainly be an excellent catch, if they could just manage to tame it.
So the trainer tried putting it to sleep with Spore.
No effect.
The fearsome water/flying pokemon let loose a powerful Hyper Beam.
http://orig11.deviantart.net/9a7a/f/2012/256/4/3/gyarados_used_hyperbeam__by_sachiko4life-d5ej5mu.jpg
It missed!
One more chance for glory. Perhaps paralysis....
Stun spore!
.....
Unfortunately, Stun Spore missed the target.
On the other hand, the next attack completely obliterated its target...
http://earthquakekitguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/earthquake-logo.jpg
A pokemon has fainted!
Zack fainted!
He was...
Paras, Level 17
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/d/d4/046Paras.png
Town
2x Spore (Sleep) roleblocks target for 3 nights
1x Stun Spore (Paralyze) roleblocks target for 1 night
It is Day!
You may Post.
Montmorency
06-05-2017, 00:28
https://i.imgur.com/sTmLRU4.jpg
Montmorency
06-05-2017, 00:29
Wait Zack, you never told us what you did with the standard block!
Vote: El Barto
Wasn't me logic, was it you?
Montmorency
06-05-2017, 01:17
Wasn't me logic, was it you?
???
Have a pretty good feeling Logic will know what I'm talking about.
El Barto
06-05-2017, 02:22
I cannot tell whether you are trying to become a policy lynch or not, Montmorency.
Mr. Jabbz, could you clarify your position regarding Logic? You seem to be hinting at the results of a tracking or watching action.
Montmorency
06-05-2017, 02:42
Have a pretty good feeling Logic will know what I'm talking about.
Not gonna cut it. Please tell us what you think Logic will know.
I cannot tell whether you are trying to become a policy lynch or not, Montmorency.
Mr. Jabbz, could you clarify your position regarding Logic? You seem to be hinting at the results of a tracking or watching action.
No such thing as a late-game policy lynch. Die now and forever hold your peace.
El Barto
06-05-2017, 02:59
No such thing as a late-game policy lynch. Die now and forever hold your peace.
So, when I am inevitably revealed as town, what will you do, besides realising you could have been spending all this time hunting real scum?
El Barto
06-05-2017, 03:10
Come on, Monty, mon ami.
I have stated, a few days ago, that I was willing to allow myself to be killed for the sake of my faction, the Town.
Last day I was the third voter on the bandwaggon. Which, traditionally, has been held to be an indicator of mafiosity.
My lynch, at this stage, is a policy lynch, so first:
vote: El Barto
Once the sad result of your pathetically cunicular behaviour, namely, the lynching of yet another Innocent, is known to all, what is your process then? Whom would you pursue? Whom would you question? Would you use any Night Actions on anybody? Humour me, pretend that you are town.
I know you have the gray matter to perform this simple task. What I doubt is whether you have the will.
Je défie vous, Monsieur.
El Barto
06-05-2017, 03:47
Je défie vous, Monsieur.
Eh bien, Monty?
El Barto
06-05-2017, 03:56
Vote: Logic
Wasn't me logic, was it you?
Would either one of you bother to comment? I still am open to lynches less stupid than those proposed by the contumacious Monsieur d'Montmorency.
No, I will not edify anyone else into the meaning of my statement until I hear from logic. I have my reasons for doing so, as this will not only likely allow me to cement my belief he is town, but will also likely cement his view that I am as well. Time alone shall see I suppose.
Montmorency
06-05-2017, 04:03
Come on, Monty, mon ami.
I have stated, a few days ago, that I was willing to allow myself to be killed for the sake of my faction, the Town.
Last day I was the third voter on the bandwaggon. Which, traditionally, has been held to be an indicator of mafiosity.
My lynch, at this stage, is a policy lynch, so first:
vote: El Barto
Once the sad result of your pathetically cunicular behaviour, namely, the lynching of yet another Innocent, is known to all, what is your process then? Whom would you pursue? Whom would you question? Would you use any Night Actions on anybody? Humour me, pretend that you are town.
I know you have the gray matter to perform this simple task. What I doubt is whether you have the will.
Je défie vous, Monsieur.
Right now Logic. If Jabbz' fixation on Logic is odd, Logic's secret antidote shortlist is more so.
Either way, I don't know what it would mean vis-a-vis Manasi and Champ.
Montmorency
06-05-2017, 04:04
No, I will not edify anyone else into the meaning of my statement until I hear from logic. I have my reasons for doing so, as this will not only likely allow me to cement my belief he is town, but will also likely cement his view that I am as well. Time alone shall see I suppose.
Soon, you will have to lay out exactly what it is that makes Logic town, that apparently hasn't been realized by other players (including flipped townies), and that rules out Mafia activity.
Absolutely Monty, will do. If I don't hear anything from logic before the 24h to EOD mark, I'll explain what I have and go from there.
Checking in to say I read what has been posted, and I don't know what Jabbz is inferring.
Gotta go to bed. No time for in depth analysis.
Well that's interesting. See I'm a vanilla towny. When Logic said he was, he claimed the following.
Also, I suspect that all the plain ol' vanilla's are the Magikarps, and that one of us will evolve into the Gyrados once certain conditions are met. This is just speculation on my part.
I am not told what Pokemon I am, but I am told that as far as I know, I have no powers, with the phrasing implying that there is the potential should certain things occur for me to gain powers. With the exception of BSmith with Meowth, all townies to die so far were ones with powers. Bsmith did not respond in any interesting way to Logic's comment about vanilla townie that I saw, which I infer to mean that he didn't have the part about potentially gaining strength at a later date. The lack of response to Logics statement and his statement itself lead me to think that I or we are not vanilla town but rather townies that have passive abilities that activate under the right circumstances.
In my opinion, and evidently that of Logic, the perfect Poke for that is Magikarps. Weak as shit and basically useless, until they evolve into... Gyrodos. When the kill last night was associated with Gyro and I failed to get a notice, I assumed something had triggered with Logic. Either that is not the case, or he is unwilling to share with us, which leaves me unsure of what to think regarding him at this point.
I need now to go back and reread the thread for the remaining people alive in context with who has died and what was said by them about those folks, but i'm inclined to think I'm still misliking EB and GHC.
Montmorency
06-05-2017, 05:26
Well that's interesting. See I'm a vanilla towny. When Logic said he was, he claimed the following.
I am not told what Pokemon I am, but I am told that as far as I know, I have no powers, with the phrasing implying that there is the potential should certain things occur for me to gain powers. With the exception of BSmith with Meowth, all townies to die so far were ones with powers. Bsmith did not respond in any interesting way to Logic's comment about vanilla townie that I saw, which I infer to mean that he didn't have the part about potentially gaining strength at a later date. The lack of response to Logics statement and his statement itself lead me to think that I or we are not vanilla town but rather townies that have passive abilities that activate under the right circumstances.
In my opinion, and evidently that of Logic, the perfect Poke for that is Magikarps. Weak as shit and basically useless, until they evolve into... Gyrodos. When the kill last night was associated with Gyro and I failed to get a notice, I assumed something had triggered with Logic. Either that is not the case, or he is unwilling to share with us, which leaves me unsure of what to think regarding him at this point.
I need now to go back and reread the thread for the remaining people alive in context with who has died and what was said by them about those folks, but i'm inclined to think I'm still misliking EB and GHC.
Few things, then:
Gyrados killing Zack was clearly a Mafia kill. I would say this was the first proper nightkill without basis in an earth or ground attack/Pokemon, but that's actually wrong as I'll mention below. Csargo flipped as Heracross, a Fighting Bug pokemon. It can have Rock/Ground moves in its repertoire, including Rock Blast/Slide and Earthquake. Plenty of Normal attacks, e.g. Strength.
Let's take a closer look at the (fatal) night attacks:
N1 - Unseen attacker kills Cuth/Oddish with Earthquake (?)
N2 - Very brief and generic writeup, unseen attacker kills Sooh/Diglett with "Strength", throwing a rock but not actually being a rock/ground attack; Strength is a very generic Normal attack that Onyx, Gyarados, or Heracross could all deploy
N3 - First attacking Pokemon identified, Onyx kills BSmith ( (critical hit but move unknown, could be rock throw per repetition within writeup)
N4 - Zack blocks Csargo, no kill, S.S. ticket spam
N5 - Gyarados identified, kills Zack/Paras with Earthquake (like D1?)
So N1-2 could have been anyone, including Csargo, including Gyarados. I think we should see the other two Mafia flip as Gyarados and Onyx. Caveat to mention is that Onyx was associated with Brock with the writeup, and if our enemy Pokemon are part of Team Gary, then we could be talking Gyarados and Charizard.
I think Barto scum reflects well on Jabbz and Logic, poorly on Manasi and Champ. Barto town reflects better on Manasi, worse on Logic.
I cannot tell whether you are trying to become a policy lynch or not, Montmorency.
Are you, with your self-vote?
Tally as of post 1558:
Lynch votes
2 votes: El Barto (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750190#post2053750190), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750199#post2053750199))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750186#post2053750186))
Voting history:
Logic
El Barto
El Barto
Day 5 tally:
Lynch votes
7 votes: Csargo (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749771#post2053749771), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749792#post2053749792), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749826#post2053749826), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749863#post2053749863), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749884#post2053749884), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749898#post2053749898), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750004#post2053750004))
1 votes: Zack (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749799#post2053749799))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749959#post2053749959))
1 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750101#post2053750101))
Voting history:
Csargo
Csargo
Zack
Csargo
Csargo
Csargo
Csargo
Logic
csargo
El Barto
I'm out for the day and expect to be killed tonight, so I'll leave a big post probably no one will care about once I'm dead.
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My role is actually a little different than what I was claiming and hinting at. I'm not a standard roleblocker - instead I have 2x super roleblock (the target is blocked for three nights instead of just one).
choxorn never used an ability.
On N3, I used one on Monty. Didn't seem to be any interruption in nightkills, though considering Monty was under lot of heat, he probably wouldn't have been the one doing nightkills anyway unless his partners were in worse spots.
On N4, I used the other on Csargo. I know he's lying about blocking me because I received confirmation that Csargo was blocked last night and the subsequent two nights.
From Csargo and Monty's reactions, Monty seemed completely unaware that he was blocked at any point in time or that Csargo was blocked. Csargo's response to my softclaim made it clear that he was in fact the one whose nightkill was stopped. It was theoretically possible that Monty tried to do the kill for the wolves last night while he was still blocked and that's why it failed (though I don't know how likely that scenario is, depending on what Pizza tells the people targeted by my ability), but Csargo essentially confirmed that was not the case.
I have nothing left, I'm spent unfortunately.
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Zack - Me. I'm town.
Csargo - Wolf. Blocked and no nightkill. Lied about roleblocking me last night. Lolcatting.
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Novice - Very likely town. Active, prodding, top poster. He mentioned in Tokens, where he was a wolf, he was townread all game and survived to the end. I looked and saw he had less than a third as many posts in that game as he does here, so didn't bother looking into it further just for paranoid tinfoil.
Montmorency - Likely town. I think his reaction earlier today went past the point of performance art. I do have some pause for how Csargo and Monty have interacted all game, but I think Monty's just town.
GeneralHankerchief - Likely town. Spew looks good for him. Plus he looks town and I don't buy any of the arguments that have been used against him.
Champ - Lean town. He feels like a scapegoat. His posts are within his town range and I can see some of things that could indicate town mindset. It's all so absurdly low effort that I can't give any more confidence than this.
Logic - Null. Not sure how to feel about this slot. Some of his posts I've liked, some I haven't been so crazy about.
Manasi - POE. Don't like the pop in / pop out thing, it's something I've seen her do as a wolf - where she'll pop in to say hey what's up, then not really say anything and leave, repeat. She has not had the WIM she claimed.
El Barto - POE. This has been done to death. On re-read a lot of his posts rub me the wrong way. On actually looking into that one QT, claiming the poison seems in his wheelhouse. Don't forget what GH said about Barto bussing/distancing either, it's true - his thing with Jabbz is not clearing in any way.
Jabbz - POE. Kind of underwhelming all game (I don't want to hear about time constraints, this is a quality issue not quantity). He hasn't seemed overly concerned with hunting, and his GH push falls really flat. His treatment of Logic is bizarre, and being so confident about it with no paranoia is off. I think GH has made good points here.
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/175990963276087296/320667721241067520/mafiabrain.png
Thanks indeed for that, Zack. Very impressive sub-in.
I agree with your thoughts on Monty, I just don't see him reacting the way he did to the roleblocking claim as scum.
That leaves GH, Champ, Logic, Manasi, El Barto and Jabbz as scum candidates.
On GH - did anybody catch specifically what the spew Zack referred to that supposedly cleared GH was? I'm not ready to accept GH as town.
I still feel that Jabbz is town.
The rest I agree with, and specifically Champ feeling like a scapegoat was a minor mindmeld.
Day 4 tally:
Lynch votes
6 votes: SeveringViper (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749569#post2053749569), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749593#post2053749593), Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749597#post2053749597), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749628#post2053749628), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749629#post2053749629),
GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749645#post2053749645))
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749541#post2053749541), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749550#post2053749550), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749586#post2053749586), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749616#post2053749616))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749382#post2053749382))
Voting history:
Logic
Jabbz
SeveringViper
Zack
El Barto
El Barto
SeveringViper
El Barto
SeveringViper
SeveringViper
El Barto
Jabbz
SeveringViper
SeveringViper
SeveringViper
Night actions:
N1: Unclaimed: Someone killed Cuthilius
N1: Claimed: Monty blocked GH
N1: Claimed: El Barto poisoned Manasi
N1, possible: Someone attacked SeveringViper
N2: Unclaimed: Someone healed Manasi?
N2: Unclaimed: Someone used Thunderbolt (ineffective)
N2: Unclaimed: Someone killed Sooh
N3: Unclaimed: Someone killed BSmith
N3: SeveringViper blocked Monty
N3: Zack blocked Monty (3 nights)
N4: Zack blocked Csargo (3 nights)
N4: Noone was killed
N5: Someone killed Zack
Day 1
6 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747732#post2053747732), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748091#post2053748091), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748099#post2053748099), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748240#post2053748240), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748261#post2053748261), Raith Kemmler (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748268#post2053748268))
4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747798#post2053747798), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748093#post2053748093), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748128#post2053748128), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748264#post2053748264))
3 votes: choxorn (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748251#post2053748251), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748259#post2053748259), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748263#post2053748263))
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747721#post2053747721), Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748143#post2053748143))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748200#post2053748200))
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748037#post2053748037))
Day 2
5 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748363#post2053748363), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748626#post2053748626), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748677#post2053748677), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748694#post2053748694), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748720#post2053748720))
4 votes: choxorn (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748417#post2053748417), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748435#post2053748435), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748703#post2053748703), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748709#post2053748709))
1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748370#post2053748370))
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748643#post2053748643))
Day 3
3 votes: Autolycus (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749249#post2053749249), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749268#post2053749268), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749288#post2053749288))
3 votes: Montmorency (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748984#post2053748984), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749106#post2053749106), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749266#post2053749266))
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749036#post2053749036), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749058#post2053749058))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748916#post2053748916))
1 votes: Champ (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748912#post2053748912))
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749060#post2053749060))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749131#post2053749131))
Day 4
6 votes: SeveringViper (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749569#post2053749569), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749593#post2053749593), Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749597#post2053749597), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749628#post2053749628), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749629#post2053749629),
GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749645#post2053749645))
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749541#post2053749541), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749550#post2053749550), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749586#post2053749586), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749616#post2053749616))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749382#post2053749382))
Day 5
7 votes: Csargo (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749771#post2053749771), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749792#post2053749792), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749826#post2053749826), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749863#post2053749863), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749884#post2053749884), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749898#post2053749898), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750004#post2053750004))
1 votes: Zack (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749799#post2053749799))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749959#post2053749959))
1 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750101#post2053750101))
GeneralHankerchief
06-05-2017, 16:45
Right now my POE is looking something like this:
Jabbz/El Barto (top is in flux right now) > Champ > Manasi > Logic
Champ is kind of the linchpin in all this. I think Jabbz flipping scum clears him for his willingness to jump on a Jabbz CFD I suggested a couple of rounds ago. Jabbz flipping town keeps Champ where he is. Furthermore, Champ is also tied to Logic - he's been going after the guy all game. If Champ flips mafia, I think Logic is cleared, though that's not as strong of a clear for me as Jabbz flipping scum would be because it's possible it might have been some kind of ploy. If Champ flips town, then I need to take a closer look at Logic.
One thing that looks fairly certain is that Champ and I both look like LYLO bait since we seem to be in the middle of the consensus POE. If that's the case, and if Jabbz flips scum, I'm snap-voting whoever the third person in the scenario is and calling it a day. Plan accordingly. :wink:
Montmorency
06-05-2017, 16:54
Right now my POE is looking something like this:
Jabbz/El Barto (top is in flux right now) > Champ > Manasi > Logic
Champ is kind of the linchpin in all this. I think Jabbz flipping scum clears him for his willingness to jump on a Jabbz CFD I suggested a couple of rounds ago. Jabbz flipping town keeps Champ where he is. Furthermore, Champ is also tied to Logic - he's been going after the guy all game. If Champ flips mafia, I think Logic is cleared, though that's not as strong of a clear for me as Jabbz flipping scum would be because it's possible it might have been some kind of ploy. If Champ flips town, then I need to take a closer look at Logic.
One thing that looks fairly certain is that Champ and I both look like LYLO bait since we seem to be in the middle of the consensus POE. If that's the case, and if Jabbz flips scum, I'm snap-voting whoever the third person in the scenario is and calling it a day. Plan accordingly. :wink:
What do you think of El Barto:
Flip scum, +town Jabbz Logic, -town Manasi Champ
Flip town, +town Manasi, -town Logic
GeneralHankerchief
06-05-2017, 17:00
What do you think of El Barto:
Flip scum, +town Jabbz Logic, -town Manasi Champ
Flip town, +town Manasi, -town Logic
I haven't done enough reading into El Barto to really answer that right now, but on first glance that looks about right.
what are the votes at now
How I complied my Antidote list. Those that had Manasi on their "likely town" lists, and those that were talking about the poisoning.
Post #475
How are things going with you, my good lady?
Post #480
Hi. I'm very tired. I've only slightly skimmed what's happened since the day has started. How are you? Have you had a good day? What'd you have for dinner?
Post #535 (formatted for space)
Oh nice. I was poisoned last night. I blame cuth. Someone halp.
Post #536
Scan for me, and I shall grant you the gift of life, and death to your enemies.
When Manasi wasn't dead the following day, Monty jumped to the very top of my antidote list after I read this post, despite asking for something that Manasi has already claimed she cannot provide. I still had Monty on my wolf-lean list, so I thought this was unlikely barring additional evidence.
Can you uh, Can you fix it plz
If I had such a capability I would consider it. However, as I have already stated, I have no abilities remaining.El Barto appears to be feeling a tad bit guilty. If he does have an antidote, he is purposely misleading about his capability to heal. I give El Barto an outside chance that he did heal Manasi, even though he says here he can't.
For the record: El Barto alluding to the poisoning early today.I'm noticing this just now, but I give Novice a slight scum lean if Barto turns out to be scum. I'll ISO novice later to see if this holds more weight.
No, no, my good sir; it is, quite more simply, that Manasi is scheduled to die at the end of Night Two, not Day one as she's claimed.
*SNIP*
I am glad that somebody noticed. Yes, I was trying to draw Manasi out.
My case against Champ
I forgot this existedThis here was enough for El Barto to vote for Champ:
I'll tell you the story that I poisoned Manasi last night with a one-off ability. Now I am, for all intents and purposes, what the gaming populace knows as a ‘vanilla townie’. I find it extremely odd that Manasi did not immediately request for help.
*SNIP*
You leave me with no option but to Vote: Champ.
Is it wrong to village read novice for doing the post counts?
I'll just village read him
yes
Ok I'll make up a fake reason then
Champ looks very bad here, if you ask me. This adds another layer of my growing suspicion of Novice.
Day 1
6 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747732#post2053747732), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748091#post2053748091), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748099#post2053748099), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748240#post2053748240), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748261#post2053748261), Raith Kemmler (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748268#post2053748268))
4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747798#post2053747798), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748093#post2053748093), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748128#post2053748128), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748264#post2053748264))
3 votes: choxorn (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748251#post2053748251), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748259#post2053748259), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748263#post2053748263))
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747721#post2053747721), Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748143#post2053748143))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748200#post2053748200))
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748037#post2053748037))
Day 2
5 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748363#post2053748363), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748626#post2053748626), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748677#post2053748677), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748694#post2053748694), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748720#post2053748720))
4 votes: choxorn (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748417#post2053748417), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748435#post2053748435), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748703#post2053748703), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748709#post2053748709))
1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748370#post2053748370))
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748643#post2053748643))
Day 3
3 votes: Autolycus (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749249#post2053749249), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749268#post2053749268), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749288#post2053749288))
3 votes: Montmorency (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748984#post2053748984), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749106#post2053749106), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749266#post2053749266))
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749036#post2053749036), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749058#post2053749058))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748916#post2053748916))
1 votes: Champ (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748912#post2053748912))
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749060#post2053749060))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749131#post2053749131))
Day 4
6 votes: SeveringViper (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749569#post2053749569), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749593#post2053749593), Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749597#post2053749597), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749628#post2053749628), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749629#post2053749629),
GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749645#post2053749645))
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749541#post2053749541), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749550#post2053749550), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749586#post2053749586), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749616#post2053749616))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749382#post2053749382))
Day 5
7 votes: Csargo (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749771#post2053749771), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749792#post2053749792), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749826#post2053749826), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749863#post2053749863), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749884#post2053749884), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749898#post2053749898), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750004#post2053750004))
1 votes: Zack (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749799#post2053749799))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749959#post2053749959))
1 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750101#post2053750101))
And then, looking at the vote count, Champ has been tunneling me from D3, and from what I can tell, he did nothing on D2. His posts are sparse, and of little content. Either he's a very bad vanillager, or he's a wolf. I don't see an in-between.
But, the vote count also has me seriously call into question novice and GH.
Town Leans
Monty
Manasi
Null line
Jabbz
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto
Wolf line
Novice
Champ
I'm most comfortable Vote: Champ, but I am willing to consider others. Despite my earlier assessment of Monty, he looks to be the towniest remaining player.
Logic, can you spell that out a bit more? Why does Champ look bad? Why am I scummy? What about the vote counts makes GH and me look bad?
Short version: Champ is super low activity, few posts of little content. Good way to hide. Calls novice town for the post counts, then is told that's a bad plan, then says he'll make up a reason to call you town.
Novice could be town, but if he were to flip scum, I'd almost bet the farm that Champ would flip scum as well.
Short version: Champ is super low activity, few posts of little content. Good way to hide. Calls novice town for the post counts, then is told that's a bad plan, then says he'll make up a reason to call you town.
Novice could be town, but if he were to flip scum, I'd almost bet the farm that Champ would flip scum as well.
Emphasis omitted
Montmorency
06-05-2017, 19:14
That's kind of underwhelming, Logic.
I've mentioned before that I didn't heal Manasi; indeed, as soon as she claimed death by EOD on D2 I said:
Ah well, in that case I have no use for you.
My sincere condolences to your loved ones.
Other speculation you have offered on identity or even existence of a healer is simply unsupported and can't be relied upon.
GeneralHankerchief
06-05-2017, 19:23
Logic, I'm more interested in why you have novice as your second strongest scumlean.
GeneralHankerchief
06-05-2017, 19:25
Logic, I'm more interested in why you have novice as your second strongest scumlean.
To elaborate, is your lean on him solely conditional on Champ's flip? Do you have anything independently scummy about him?
That's kind of underwhelming, Logic.
I've mentioned before that I didn't heal Manasi; indeed, as soon as she claimed death by EOD on D2 I said:
Other speculation you have offered on identity or even existence of a healer is simply unsupported and can't be relied upon.
Sorry, this game moves at a faster pace than I am used to, and I prefer to post my entire case at once. Because of the speed of this game, I am searching through more posts and missing quite a bit of evidence I am drawing my conclusions from.
I don't recall where my GH lean came from, but there was one post that made me think he was Manasi's benefactor.
Logic, I'm more interested in why you have novice as your second strongest scumlean.
Mostly because other than his vote tally updates, I'm not seeing anything of note from him. It feels like filler and parroting. His voting record also isn't the best.
That being said, I know I've done my fair share of parroting, but I think I've also put forth some things worth discussing at least.
If you guys want to put me on the chopping block for it, I'm fine fine with that. As a vanilla townie, I know I am expendable EXCEPT during LYLO. So if you are thinking I'm scum, you'd better do the deed today. I'll do my best to analyze more and give you as much information as I can glean if you thing I should hang instead of someone else.
Montmorency
06-05-2017, 20:22
Ultimately, we have to lynch Barto today, for his scumminess, and because it essentially locks Jabbz and novice town if he flips scum. They had him on the ropes for D4 lynch, after all, on top of other mutual shading or votes at various times.
GeneralHankerchief
06-05-2017, 20:32
Ultimately, we have to lynch Barto today, for his scumminess, and because it essentially locks Jabbz and novice town if he flips scum. They had him on the ropes for D4 lynch, after all, on top of other mutual shading or votes at various times.
I agree with the aftereffects that happen if Barto gets lynched, but I'd rather lynch somebody who I think is most likely to flip scum today, and that's Jabbz.
I'm hooooooooooooooooooooooooome.
Will read up and post in an hour or so, need to get my life back together.
RIP Zaccino etc.
Emphasis omitted
My take on Champ is that he is just a lazy player or not all that into this game. I don't know him well enough to know which role would make him more engaged though.
I find myself in a weird position here. I really dislike the play El Barto has been conducting throughout this game. At the same time however I've spent the last 3 games trying to identify the vibe I'm getting from Monty, and I think I finally pinned it down. He reminds me of a slick used car salesman this game. Always trying to sell, using whatever works. I don't know if that makes me think he is scum, but it makes me think he isn't town, so perhaps a 3rd party, perhaps a 3rd party with a lynch goal.
I agree that barto is a good lynch. If he is town, I'm wrong, you will lynch me, and town will lose, but I'm fairly certain I'm not wrong. You can lynch me, and I'm not certain thats a bad thing. I'm town, but I'm an easy lylo lynch at this point, though I think not the only one. I think its likely we have two more scum, and all they have to do is get one other vote on me and it's likely over. Killing me now would provide some information I think, though not as much as I would hope because my play has not been stellar, but it still might provide the nudge needed to properly evaluate others. That being said, I still don't want to be lynched, as I know I'm town and that reduces our odds of winning.
As such I'm still down for barto.
Novice I'm feeling more townie. He's doing a lot of meta, but IIRC that tends to be his norm. I don't get the noviscum feel from him this game though.
GHC I don't know that I feel is scum anymore. An honest evaluation of my play shows I'm not doing all that hot, but he is still ignoring arguments I make, and cherry picking to defend his case which screams scum to me. I'm not able to articulate why I'm less bothered by his play than by Barto's, but I am.
Manasi I just don't know how to feel about. Her engagement is similar to what it was in the only other game I played with her, but there it was a faction game (the french one) so it doesn't provide a great standard to judge by. I don't get any direct scum vibes though, and some towny so yeah.
Logic. I dunno. I feel like logic should have gotten my reference at the beginning of this day. The fact that he didn't, when he laid out a partial case for it earlier in the game implies that he is either hiding the information, or somehow magically missed something he brought up days ago. Perhaps he gained an ability, or changed faction, I dunno. It is weird though.
All things considered: Vote: El Barto. Please remember that one of the votes on him is his own, and thus subject to last minute changing, so weigh the total vote carefully when you cast your own. Not sure if I'll be here in 40, but good luck to us.
Err just realized its only halfway through the day. Ignore that last sentence :P
El Barto
06-05-2017, 22:29
Right now Logic. If Jabbz' fixation on Logic is odd, Logic's secret antidote shortlist is more so.
Either way, I don't know what it would mean vis-a-vis Manasi and Champ.
Very well. (see below)
Few things, then:
Gyrados killing Zack was clearly a Mafia kill. I would say this was the first proper nightkill without basis in an earth or ground attack/Pokemon, but that's actually wrong as I'll mention below. Csargo flipped as Heracross, a Fighting Bug pokemon. It can have Rock/Ground moves in its repertoire, including Rock Blast/Slide and Earthquake. Plenty of Normal attacks, e.g. Strength.
Let's take a closer look at the (fatal) night attacks:
N1 - Unseen attacker kills Cuth/Oddish with Earthquake (?)
N2 - Very brief and generic writeup, unseen attacker kills Sooh/Diglett with "Strength", throwing a rock but not actually being a rock/ground attack; Strength is a very generic Normal attack that Onyx, Gyarados, or Heracross could all deploy
N3 - First attacking Pokemon identified, Onyx kills BSmith ( (critical hit but move unknown, could be rock throw per repetition within writeup)
N4 - Zack blocks Csargo, no kill, S.S. ticket spam
N5 - Gyarados identified, kills Zack/Paras with Earthquake (like D1?)
So N1-2 could have been anyone, including Csargo, including Gyarados. I think we should see the other two Mafia flip as Gyarados and Onyx. Caveat to mention is that Onyx was associated with Brock with the writeup, and if our enemy Pokemon are part of Team Gary, then we could be talking Gyarados and Charizard.
I think Barto scum reflects well on Jabbz and Logic, poorly on Manasi and Champ. Barto town reflects better on Manasi, worse on Logic.
Are you, with your self-vote?
I have said that I am willing to be lynched in order to clear the air.
What do you think of El Barto:
Flip scum, +town Jabbz Logic, -town Manasi Champ
Flip town, +town Manasi, -town LogicI haven't done enough reading into El Barto to really answer that right now, but on first glance that looks about right.
So, since I am town, we agree to vote:Logic?
But meanwhile, Monty… if I were to be revealed as scum, that would be good for Jabbz and Logic. If I were to be revealed as town, that would be bad for Logic. What of Jabbz? Inversely, what of Champ?
Montmorency
06-05-2017, 23:28
I find myself in a weird position here. I really dislike the play El Barto has been conducting throughout this game. At the same time however I've spent the last 3 games trying to identify the vibe I'm getting from Monty, and I think I finally pinned it down. He reminds me of a slick used car salesman this game. Always trying to sell, using whatever works. I don't know if that makes me think he is scum, but it makes me think he isn't town, so perhaps a 3rd party, perhaps a 3rd party with a lynch goal.
Haven't I been more direct, forthcoming, and consistent than a used-car salesman? I don't think I've been flexible enough to use "whatever works" - I'm not in any alignment.
GH would already be lynched otherwise.
Third party has already flipped, and a balanced game would have two more Mafia - not one or two Mafia and one more non-killing third party.
Very well. (see below)
I have said that I am willing to be lynched in order to clear the air.
So, since I am town, we agree to vote:Logic?
But meanwhile, Monty… if I were to be revealed as scum, that would be good for Jabbz and Logic. If I were to be revealed as town, that would be bad for Logic. What of Jabbz? Inversely, what of Champ?
If you were town, there would be no impact on Jabbz. I have liked Jabbz as town since this post D3, and his EOD derp:
Doing my best but I overestimated the amount of time I had free, especially with this being memorial day weekend. Spent the morning with a VFW group putting flags on vet graves. Good times I know.
All I can say at the moment is that I find the voting on GHC to be odd, people make mistakes and day 1 is almost guaranteed for those. His defense does ruffle my senses a bit, he seems to be trying far to hard to be dismissive rather than actually defend himself, but then again his current travel situation could definitely justify that. I do however find his making my absence somehow a personal focus on him, rather that me just being busy. That really makes me feel like he's going after low hanging fruit.
I still stand by thinking that Logic is town for my aforementioned reasons.
I'm liking Severing more now than I did before, mostly because I thought he was Zack in hiding, now that is clearly not the case I find my reads to be substantially different likely because they were tinged by how they sounded compared to what I expected.
Zack is null, and I didn't view choxorn's case as overly substantial. My vote on Zack was purely a joke, anyone who knows about our past interaction wouldn't view that oddly I don't think.
Most of the rest I quite frankly haven't put enough time into. I would honestly be down to lynch GHC, but I feel that it is too possible the only reason he is coming across wrong is because he simply doesn't have the time to devote, so I'd be more inclined to want to see him be on the list tomorrow when he can defend himself.
I feel somewhat hypocritical supporting lynching a lurker, but in my defense I am contributing more than a few of the others, and I think that's the direction I'd head, supporting a group consensus on the matter as long as said consensus isn't myself.
There would also be no information toward Champ. I believe his play is difficult precisely because it makes it hard to tie him to interactions.
I tried really hard to read everything I missed but can't bring myself to make a huge post about anything.
After that, I do think that Champ/GH/Novice are in my strong town that will probably not change for this phase at all, maybe even tomorrow.
I would like to know, however, if someone has more of an idea as to why Zack's read on Monty flipped from mafia to town. Something about his reaction to a claim? I could be paraphrasing someone else's post as well. I read everything but not sure how much I actually absorbed.
Not sure how I feel about a Logic lynch today at all.
Would much prefer Monty/Barto, but I'm willing to follow the dead in his flipped read if someone can help me understand it.
El Barto
06-06-2017, 00:04
Haven't I been more direct, forthcoming, and consistent than a used-car salesman? I don't think I've been flexible enough to use "whatever works" - I'm not in any alignment.
GH would already be lynched otherwise.
Third party has already flipped, and a balanced game would have two more Mafia - not one or two Mafia and one more non-killing third party.
The bolded sections are perplexing.
If you were town, there would be no impact on Jabbz. I have liked Jabbz as town since this post D3, and his EOD derp:
<quoted text>
There would also be no information toward Champ. I believe his play is difficult precisely because it makes it hard to tie him to interactions.
The interactions of the current day leave me with the impression that Champ and Logic are of opposite alignments, in other words, one of them is an innocent and the other is a mafioso.
So, half of Jabbz's innocence is the one post and the rest is what is commonly known as a ‘derp-clear’? He also says
>If he is town, I'm wrong, you will lynch me, and town will lose, but I'm fairly certain I'm not wrong.
A statement with which I really am not quite comfortable. Why lay down the groundwork towards tomorrow's defence? It is almost as if he knew something we did not.
I tried really hard to read everything I missed but can't bring myself to make a huge post about anything.
After that, I do think that Champ/GH/Novice are in my strong town that will probably not change for this phase at all, maybe even tomorrow.
I would like to know, however, if someone has more of an idea as to why Zack's read on Monty flipped from mafia to town. Something about his reaction to a claim? I could be paraphrasing someone else's post as well. I read everything but not sure how much I actually absorbed.
Not sure how I feel about a Logic lynch today at all.
Would much prefer Monty/Barto, but I'm willing to follow the dead in his flipped read if someone can help me understand it.
If you do not care enough about the game to try and contribute, that is simply shameful. I feel no regret now towards having attempted your removal.
Leaving that aside, could you at least a) make up your mind on Logic and b) say why it's ‘Monty/Barto’, in your own words? Do notice that I am not promoting a counter-lynch on my former mafia partner.
Novice is never wolf
This is an inherently unhelpful statement.
Previous games have no bearing in role assignment for this one. Furthermore, I doubt the veracity of your claim.
Montmorency
06-06-2017, 00:28
The bolded sections are perplexing.
I was suggesting that looking for additional third parties, especially non-killing third parties (unless you construct a fairly convoluted and unverifiable picture of night events), is the wrong idea for our circumstances when you can't otherwise peg someone as Mafia.
The interactions of the current day leave me with the impression that Champ and Logic are of opposite alignments, in other words, one of them is an innocent and the other is a mafioso.
So, half of Jabbz's innocence is the one post and the rest is what is commonly known as a ‘derp-clear’? He also says
>If he is town, I'm wrong, you will lynch me, and town will lose, but I'm fairly certain I'm not wrong.
A statement with which I really am not quite comfortable. Why lay down the groundwork towards tomorrow's defence? It is almost as if he knew something we did not.
Logic looking bad does not make Champ look good, but Logic looking good does make Champ look worse.
What are you referring to from Jabbz, this?
Oh and in case it was missed earlier, I am town and currently have no abilities, nor did I start with any or take any actions at night to this point, so losing me with my time constraints isn't exactly a huge loss to town.
He doesn't reference someone else's flip, so I assume that isn't it...
I would like to know, however, if someone has more of an idea as to why Zack's read on Monty flipped from mafia to town. Something about his reaction to a claim? I could be paraphrasing someone else's post as well. I read everything but not sure how much I actually absorbed.
Zack implicitly claimed to have blocked Csargo's kill, and Monty just didn't get that that's what Zack was doing and kept questioning what Zack was doing. My feeling, and I think this was what Zack felt also, was that scum wouldn't act that way in that situation. They would understand what Zack's vote was about and they would be trying to distance themselves from Csargo. They would not be making Zack spoonfeed them his claim. In fact, read GH's reaction to see a likely scum reaction.
This is an inherently unhelpful statement.
Previous games have no bearing in role assignment for this one. Furthermore, I doubt the veracity of your claim.
no.
El Barto
06-06-2017, 01:06
Novice is never wolf
This is an inherently unhelpful statement.
Previous games have no bearing in role assignment for this one. Furthermore, I doubt the veracity of your claim.
I interpret Champ's statement as meaning that he doesn't see novice being a member of the mafia team under any circumstances, based on his public behaviour this game. Maybe he could confirm or deny this.
I was suggesting that looking for additional third parties, especially non-killing third parties (unless you construct a fairly convoluted and unverifiable picture of night events), is the wrong idea for our circumstances when you can't otherwise peg someone as Mafia.
Ah. I concur. Thanks for clarifying.
Logic looking bad does not make Champ look good, but Logic looking good does make Champ look worse.
Ah-ha, do go on. To my eye, there is a high probability that one of Champ and Logic is a mafioso.
What are you referring to from Jabbz, this?
The interactions of the current day leave me with the impression that Champ and Logic are of opposite alignments, in other words, one of them is an innocent and the other is a mafioso.
So, half of Jabbz's innocence is the one post and the rest is what is commonly known as a ‘derp-clear’? He also says
>If he is town, I'm wrong, you will lynch me, and town will lose, but I'm fairly certain I'm not wrong.
A statement with which I really am not quite comfortable. Why lay down the groundwork towards tomorrow's defence? It is almost as if he knew something we did not.
He doesn't reference someone else's flip, so I assume that isn't it...
The text in green (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=greentext) is the quote from Jabbz I was referencing.
Zack implicitly claimed to have blocked Csargo's kill, and Monty just didn't get that that's what Zack was doing and kept questioning what Zack was doing. My feeling, and I think this was what Zack felt also, was that scum wouldn't act that way in that situation. They would understand what Zack's vote was about and they would be trying to distance themselves from Csargo. They would not be making Zack spoonfeed them his claim. In fact, read GH's reaction to see a likely scum reaction.
The very last sentence does sound interesting. Do go on.
GeneralHankerchief
06-06-2017, 01:13
Ah-ha, do go on. To my eye, there is a high probability that one of Champ and Logic is a mafioso.
Elaborate please. The two are somewhat connected to each other in terms of associative tells but I don't think it's anywhere near lock that one's scum.
Montmorency
06-06-2017, 01:17
The text in green is the quote from Jabbz I was referencing.
But that text (or subtext) wasn't in the post I quoted, nor the one following it. Are you referring to some other post? If so, please link it.
El Barto
06-06-2017, 01:58
Elaborate please. The two are somewhat connected to each other in terms of associative tells but I don't think it's anywhere near lock that one's scum.
See posts #1587, #1588 and #1591. I do not like that little exchange one jot.
But that text (or subtext) wasn't in the post I quoted, nor the one following it. Are you referring to some other post? If so, please link it.
It is in the second paragraph of post #1581.
Zack implicitly claimed to have blocked Csargo's kill, and Monty just didn't get that that's what Zack was doing and kept questioning what Zack was doing. My feeling, and I think this was what Zack felt also, was that scum wouldn't act that way in that situation. They would understand what Zack's vote was about and they would be trying to distance themselves from Csargo. They would not be making Zack spoonfeed them his claim. In fact, read GH's reaction to see a likely scum reaction.
Oh true okay. Doesn't seem like something that the ever-so-eloquent Monty would fabricate.
Okokokok.
I don;t think GH was that bad, think he's been pushing on csargo p lightly for last day or two
/shrug
Also El Barto I care about the game it was just hard for me to come off of sleeping 3hrs/night and working for the other hours in the day for 4 days in a row then driving 5 hours home and diving right back into the game. I'm trying and rpobably won't be 100% until tomorrow (when I'm starting a job) so I'll be active but again it'll be in these bursts.
Damn GG game's lookin' up.
Champ/GH/novice/Monty p good circle IYAM.
God bless.
El Barto
06-06-2017, 03:43
Please do come tomorrow, if you are able.
GeneralHankerchief
06-06-2017, 04:22
Vote: Jabbz
Thought it over some. Barto probably gives us more information, but we're pretty close to LYLO if we misfire here at which point information lynches don't help. We need a scum lynch. Jabbz has been my biggest scumread pretty much all game, and the paucity of mentions he has of Csargo combined with the posts I pointed out earlier where he's being intentionally careful all pretty conclusively point to his scumminess in my mind.
Montmorency
06-06-2017, 04:30
It is in the second paragraph of post #1581.
Apparently Logic expressed much the same thing at the end of #1576. :shrug:
Vote: Jabbz
Thought it over some. Barto probably gives us more information, but we're pretty close to LYLO if we misfire here at which point information lynches don't help. We need a scum lynch. Jabbz has been my biggest scumread pretty much all game, and the paucity of mentions he has of Csargo combined with the posts I pointed out earlier where he's being intentionally careful all pretty conclusively point to his scumminess in my mind.
Yes, I am so scum that I did my best to ensure that Csargo wasn't lynched yesterday when it would be quite easy to "be persuaded" and jump on that wagon.
General Note: My father passed away this afternoon, not unexpectedly as he was 80 and very ill for the last 4 years. I am going to be grumpy. I am likely to still play because distractions are a good thing right now. I don't ask for sympathy or any slack at all, just please, if I jump your shit for stupid stuff, don't take it personally.
Are we just ignoring the fact that auto came in with that readlist with 2 scum leans and then voted BSmith? Is that not as weird as I think it is?
Unvote: Champ, Vote:autolycus
I'm just going to blindly trust Zack on Champ I guess, plus he was here and posted so seems good.
Why are we still discussing Monty's case on GH? It's bad, I thought that was already established. Discussing it further doesn't make it more or less bad. I don't know what to say at this point really.
Zack's stock is on the rise it seems.
Tally prior to this post by Csargo:
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748853#post2053748853), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748916#post2053748916))
2 votes: Champ (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748912#post2053748912), Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748996#post2053748996))
2 votes: Montmorency (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748984#post2053748984), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749106#post2053749106))
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749036#post2053749036), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749058#post2053749058))
1 votes: Zack (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748950#post2053748950))
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749060#post2053749060))
1 votes: Unvote (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749131#post2053749131))
Voting history:
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Champ
GeneralHankerchief
Autolycus
Zack
Montmorency
Champ
GeneralHankerchief
Jabbz
Jabbz
Bsmith
Champ
Montmorency
Unvote
Unvote
Unvote
Maybe Csargo was waiting for an opportunity to jump off Champ.
Vote: Champ
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Vote: Csargo
Gut call.
This was the reaction I referred to as a typical scum reaction. Reading on though GH treats the Zack-Monty interaction in a protown manner, so I'd say in total he comes out of the whole claim discussion looking pretty good.
I think Monty has more self-respect than to use this tactic here if he's a partner?
Note: read subject to change without warning
So if GH and Monty are town, and Jabbz is town, there are not many options left. Hence my current Champ vote.
I guess votes are supposed to be bolded.
Vote: Champ
Tally as of post 1606:
Lynch votes
2 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750186#post2053750186), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750325#post2053750325))
2 votes: El Barto (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750190#post2053750190), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750319#post2053750319))
2 votes: Champ (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750275#post2053750275), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750384#post2053750384))
1 votes: Jabbz (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750369#post2053750369))
Voting history:
Logic
El Barto
El Barto
Champ
El Barto
Logic
Jabbz
Champ
Champ
Nope, that's not going to work. I ISOed Champ and I'm not feeling it.
Vote: Manasi
Tally as of post 1608:
Lynch votes
2 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750186#post2053750186), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750325#post2053750325))
2 votes: El Barto (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750190#post2053750190), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750319#post2053750319))
1 votes: Champ (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750275#post2053750275))
1 votes: Jabbz (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750369#post2053750369))
1 votes: Manasi (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750386#post2053750386))
Voting history:
Logic
El Barto
El Barto
Champ
El Barto
Logic
Jabbz
Champ
Champ
Manasi
Maybe Csargo was waiting for an opportunity to jump off Champ.
Vote: Champ
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This was the reaction I referred to as a typical scum reaction. Reading on though GH treats the Zack-Monty interaction in a protown manner, so I'd say in total he comes out of the whole claim discussion looking pretty good.
So if GH and Monty are town, and Jabbz is town, there are not many options left. Hence my current Champ vote.
I guess votes are supposed to be bolded.
Vote: Champ
Nope, that's not going to work. I ISOed Champ and I'm not feeling it.
Vote: Manasi
This looks to me like scum-buddy voting, then clearing his friend.
Personally, I think Champ looks far worse when ISO'ed.
Montmorency
06-06-2017, 13:40
I have a terrible premonition that if Barto is not scum, then it's going to be novice.
Montmorency
06-06-2017, 14:16
Angleshoot: curing Manasi.
If individuals are Pokemon, then could they even use items? It turns out they may not need to.
Heal Bell (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Heal_Bell_(move)) and Aromatherapy (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Aromatherapy_(move))are two Pokemon moves which are used to cure conditions like Poison, and can be used by a number of Pokemon. So far we have not seen any such, other than Paras (Zack), which could be tied to Aromatherapy. However, when Zack dumped his roles and thoughts he never mentioned any of this - and while it would have been Choxorn doing the healing, Zack would surely have been informed of this upon subbing had Choxorn used it.
Ruled out healers:
Montmorency (didn't)
zack (see above)
jabbz (doesn't step up)
logic (discounts self)
manasi (assume didn't lie and self-heal)
barto (under town circumstances, assume didn't lie and heal)
Dead candidates (from N2):
sooh (moves not in learnset)
bsmith (moves not in learnset)
auto (moves not in learnset)
viper (moves not in learnset)
csargo (only if Manasi scum)
So in the case that Manasi isn't scum, and so a townie must have healed her, available candidates are novice, GH, and Champ. I don't suppose any of these will step up.
GeneralHankerchief
06-06-2017, 15:24
General Note: My father passed away this afternoon, not unexpectedly as he was 80 and very ill for the last 4 years. I am going to be grumpy. I am likely to still play because distractions are a good thing right now. I don't ask for sympathy or any slack at all, just please, if I jump your shit for stupid stuff, don't take it personally.
Condolences, dude. :bow:
Angleshoot: curing Manasi.
If individuals are Pokemon, then could they even use items? It turns out they may not need to.
Heal Bell (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Heal_Bell_(move)) and Aromatherapy (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Aromatherapy_(move))are two Pokemon moves which are used to cure conditions like Poison, and can be used by a number of Pokemon. So far we have not seen any such, other than Paras (Zack), which could be tied to Aromatherapy. However, when Zack dumped his roles and thoughts he never mentioned any of this - and while it would have been Choxorn doing the healing, Zack would surely have been informed of this upon subbing had Choxorn used it.
Ruled out healers:
Montmorency (didn't)
zack (see above)
jabbz (doesn't step up)
logic (discounts self)
manasi (assume didn't lie and self-heal)
barto (under town circumstances, assume didn't lie and heal)
Dead candidates (from N2):
sooh (moves not in learnset)
bsmith (moves not in learnset)
auto (moves not in learnset)
viper (moves not in learnset)
csargo (only if Manasi scum)
So in the case that Manasi isn't scum, and so a townie must have healed her, available candidates are novice, GH, and Champ. I don't suppose any of these will step up.
Monty, that's actually really helpful. It narrows down the possibilities a great deal. But since there has been so much talk about it, and no one has yet volunteered the information, I am inclined to believe it was a scum healing a scum, or a dead player that healed Manasi (which doesn't preclude Manasi being scum.)
Yeah I still don't know what to make of El Barto. There's this weird conversation between El Barto and Csargo, I don't know if it's shading or distancing or what it is.
I was trying to determine what SV was doing, mostly because some of his reactions and arguments seemed scummy to me, because I didn't see what they accomplished. I think I understand what he's doing, I don't know if it has long-term value, but we'll see.
As far as reads go I don't have much. Think Barto seems himself so far, khaan's sort of half in character and half ooc not sure what to make of that. I'm unsure of SV, but want to see what happens going forward. Not sure I've ever played with SV before. I'm not sure what to make of novice yet, I'll probably go through the thread again tonight and see if anything jumps out to me. Actually I'll try to look through it before I have to work, because the day will be over, before I get off work iirc.
Tell me a story Barto.
You have one here, about the art of diplomacy and war (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152548-The-Art-of-Diplomacy-and-War). It is a good one, even if I do say so myself.
You uncultured barbarian. How dare you make posts in such an inconsequential, superficial style?
This isn't what I was looking for Barto, not at all.
seireikhaan did complain, as I recall, about people lynching him when he performed his schtick.
I am sitting, I have had a most satisfactory dinner of meat, potatoes and sweet potatoes (not to be confused with yams) and am now contentedly digesting it. It has been a moderately good day. Now, where were you last night?
So what would these reads be? Please refresh my mind.
I do apologise. What, then were you, my good friend whom I would have voted for yesterday had Snerk not asked the public to vote for GeneralHankerchief, asking for?
Don't worry you can vote for me today, it still kinda works, I'm just not your first choice. Which is really messed up though tbh. Tell me a story about this game, in this moment, right now.
Also, did Sooh ever say why she called me defensive or whatever it was?
Narration (post 3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-Pre-game&p=2053747662&viewfull=1#post2053747662))
Start of Day One (post 4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-Pre-game&p=2053747671&viewfull=1#post2053747671))
End of Day One (post 438 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748278&viewfull=1#post2053748278))
Seireikhaan fainted (post 439 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748279&viewfull=1#post2053748279)) Bulbasaur, 3p survivor
End of Night One (post 442 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748358&viewfull=1#post2053748358))
Cuthillius fainted (post 443 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748359&viewfull=1#post2053748359)) Oddish, Town 1x poison
End of Day Two (post 728 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748726&viewfull=1#post2053748726))
Raith Kemmler fainted (post 729 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748727&viewfull=1#post2053748727)) Ekans, Town 1x block
End of Night Two (post 732)
Sooh fainted (post 732 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748845&viewfull=1#post2053748845)) Diglett, Town 1x block
Zack replaced in for choxorn. (post 733)
End of Day Three (post 1051 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749313&viewfull=1#post2053749313))
Autolycus fainted (post 1052 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749314&viewfull=1#post2053749314)) Pidgey, Town Nonconsecutive Self-protect + 1x block, ground immune
End of Night Three (post 1057 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749361&viewfull=1#post2053749361))
BSmith fainted (post 1058 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749362&viewfull=1#post2053749362)) Meowth, Town
End of Day Four (post 1291 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749665&viewfull=1#post2053749665))
SeveringViper fainted (post 1292 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749666&viewfull=1#post2053749666)) Squirtle, Town Nonconsecutive Self-protect + 1x block
End of Night Four (post 1293 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749760&viewfull=1#post2053749760))
No one fainted (post 1294 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749761&viewfull=1#post2053749761))
End of Day Five (post 1536 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053750130&viewfull=1#post2053750130)) Csargo, Mafia goon with self-protect ability
End of Night Five (post 1538 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053750185&viewfull=1#post2053750185)) Zack, Town 2x Sleep, 1x Block
We know the abilities of the dead players. I don't see any healing abilities.
I didn't heal Manasi either.
Why must you lie
manasi
so i dont get replaced
Champ, to repeat an earlier question that went unanswered: Who are you calling a liar in this post? Were you saying Manasi lied about being poisoned?
Champ: Question for you above.
Personally, I think Champ looks far worse when ISO'ed.
I typed up a post about this, but actually before I show you mine I'd like to see yours. What do you get out of Champ's ISO, what makes him look worse?
Is Champ the same Champ who has 12000 posts on Mafia Universe?
I tried really hard to read everything I missed but can't bring myself to make a huge post about anything.
After that, I do think that Champ/GH/Novice are in my strong town that will probably not change for this phase at all, maybe even tomorrow.
Manasi, why is Champ strong town for you?
hello
why is there no 50ppp option
im upset
i dont know most of you
so this will be funStatements like this before roles are sent, are, IME, town. After roles sent out; Scummy.
the sirie votes are stupid
Why's that?
almost no substance
just throw a dart that will be just as effective
Seireikhaan has no substance, or the votes on him have no substance?
former
Wait, if Khaan has no substance, then why are you so defensive of him?
For that matter, you don't have much substance, either, you've made a lot of one-liner fluff posts and the only substantial thing you've done is defend khaan.
bc there are better lynches but dont ask me lul
whats your point for the second paragraph
Better lynches, like who?
The point of your second paragraph is that I think you're scummy. I thought that would be obvious.
Also, I'm totally voting for Champ tomorrow.
why not today
:wall:
Good Question.
Unvote, Vote: Champ
I don't like manasi
Vote: Manasi
i feel like she doesnt want to be here and isnt enjoying herself
she loves being town and her lack of engagement is nagl
i dont like khaan i just dont think hes the best lynch
[Apologies if the coding doesn't work out]
@Novice: Champ Day 1 (most, but not all posts, plus some interactions to give context)
What's most telling to me is that he says there is no substance to Khaan, yet has no substance himself. Votes for Manasi with what, at first glance, appears to be his second largest post of the game, after his opening post.
I will post more as my time is available.
OK, I tried a mention of Novice, and it didn't work. What did I do wrong?
Statements like this before roles are sent, are, IME, town. After roles sent out; Scummy.
How can they be town before roles are sent?
What's most telling to me is that he says there is no substance to Khaan, yet has no substance himself.
I believe Champ went over this already, with Choxorn (?). Champ was saying that there was no substance to Khaan when arguing that the Khaan votes were stupid. There's no hypocricy here - even if we stipulate that Champ had no substance himself. So I'm not sure what the point is, what is this "telling" you?
I will post more as my time is available.
From your previous statement that ISO'ing Champ made him look worse, I thought you had already ISO'ed him? Give us your cliff notes.
GeneralHankerchief
06-06-2017, 19:37
Let me ISO Champ to get a bead on him, brb.
How can they be town before roles are sent?
That's a derp. I was thinking everyone is town before roles are sent out.
I believe Champ went over this already, with Choxorn (?). Champ was saying that there was no substance to Khaan when arguing that the Khaan votes were stupid. There's no hypocricy here - even if we stipulate that Champ had no substance himself. So I'm not sure what the point is, what is this "telling" you?
From your previous statement that ISO'ing Champ made him look worse, I thought you had already ISO'ed him? Give us your cliff notes.
What is tells me is that it is an easy way to clear himself because he appears similar to someone that he knows is going to flip town.
I had ISO'd Champ already. I shared his day 1 posts to give you examples of what looks bad to me. And the rest of his posts for follow-on days are just as bad.
I won't have time to post anything of substance today. I'll lurk as time is available. If you want to convince me to move my vote, that is probably the only thing I will be able to accomplish today with the free time I have before EOD.
GeneralHankerchief
06-06-2017, 20:03
Okay, read it. I'll put my conclusions under spoiler so hopefully Logic won't piggyback.
The content of Champ's posts aren't particularly alignment-indicative for him. Some stuff is unexplained, some stuff is. There's tunneling going on for sure (Logic and earlier, briefly Manasi), but there's also moments where he seems like he's just engaging with folks as they come and trying to pick out what's relevant to him.
From a more macro sense, the biggest thing I noticed in this ISO is the fact that about half of Champ's posts came from D1. I mentioned this before, but a fairly reliable scumtell for me is being unable to keep up a certain level of engagement with the thread as the game goes on, especially in situations where town's been taking a beating and mafia were clearly in control (as was the case up until Zack dunked on Csargo last phase). This is Champ in this game. His posting rate hasn't dropped off a cliff, but it's been a gradual slide, and it's enough for me to give him a leaning scumread.
However, ultimately, my point still stands about him: Champ is going to be resolved with associative tells, specifically Jabbz and also likely Logic (though I do not want Logic lynched today because the folks on his wagon look pretty bad).
Here's what I wrote earlier but didn't post:
Personally, I think Champ looks far worse when ISO'ed.
I guess since Champ isn't around much we'll have to talk about him instead of talking to him. Do you think scum is likely to post things like this:
I forgot this existed
Ok I'll make up a fake reason then
oh this is a thing
why is no one voting logic
In-between the lurking he has also posted a few things of note - he suspects you (Logic) for a bad vote on GH and for voting Champ (lynchbait) without mentioning you before (he retracted the latter part). He thinks I'm lock town (correct) and he's willing to lynch Jabbz (a popular choice). He tried to question El Barto about something and tragically El Barto killed this attempt at dialogue by refusing to respond.
In sum this feels like he may just be a villager doing his thing at a very low level of participation. That is, he is playing, he's just not putting in a big effort.
Yes, he could be scum who is devoting most of his energy to the mafia quicktopic and to just reading, and who uses "I don't care about being scumread" WIFOM to his advantage. Or he's just lynchbait.
GeneralHankerchief
06-06-2017, 20:10
I don't like that novice, Logic, and I have come to three completely different conclusions after reading the same ISO.
From a more macro sense, the biggest thing I noticed in this ISO is the fact that about half of Champ's posts came from D1. I mentioned this before, but a fairly reliable scumtell for me is being unable to keep up a certain level of engagement with the thread as the game goes on, especially in situations where town's been taking a beating and mafia were clearly in control (as was the case up until Zack dunked on Csargo last phase). This is Champ in this game. His posting rate hasn't dropped off a cliff, but it's been a gradual slide, and it's enough for me to give him a leaning scumread.
I agree that a declining level of contribution is in general a scumtell, but I'm not sure about the "town taking a beating" connection. Couldn't townies lose heart and stop participating? Or feel that they've lost control and simply stick with tunneling their main suspect?
Montmorency
06-06-2017, 20:22
I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.
Breadth and superficiality.
No original cases, no commitment to pushes, just light questioning and the appearance of engagement. It's not that this is anti-town per se, but that it specifically figures in what I know of his scum play.
I have finally begun to reread Confections.
All his best moments were in fact piggybacked off Zack's activity. Nothing has reallychanged from D2, when I suspected him.
GH and novice can't be partners, because Csargo, GH, and novice voted Khaan D1, and there was no need to all pile on a single wagon as a team.
There's a question of a GH-Logic pairing. On D2 (Raith lynch), he spent much time on Choxorn wagon with novice and Barto (and Csargo), but jumped to Raith at the end, where Logic and Manasi were. GH-Barto has always been a plausible team, and Logic-GH could be too, but on D4, Viper vs Barto, GH was solid on Viper with Logic, Barto, and Manasi (and Csargo). Novice was of course on Barto wagon at the time. Assuming Barto was scum, GH-Barto follows most naturally, but Barto-Manasi, Barto-Logic, GH-Manasi, and GH-Logic are all possible.
As always, Champ is a wildcard.
And to answer Zack's question of why Csargo decided to vote auto instead of me D3: spread town wagons = spread scum votes, ideally. Novice was already voting me at the time, and having Csargo-novice partners securing my lynch wasn't worth the connection between the two when it didn't really matter who got lynched between lynchbait auto and fall guy Monty.
So it has to be novice or Barto for lynch today. Barto scum clears novice (and Jabbz). Novice scum clears GH and boosts Jabbz.
WE MUST CHOOSE
I don't like that novice, Logic, and I have come to three completely different conclusions after reading the same ISO.
Well as for you and I our approaches differ, but we both come out pretty null on him it seems?
I mean for me I don't like Champ from a macro perspective, but when I ISO'ed him I doubted his being scum. Whereas Logic says that ISO'ing him makes him look worse, which was what raised my eyebrows in the first place.
In general Logic seems to be on a different page from the rest of us, having me as his second suspect and focusing on his own things. I agree with Monty in that from my perspective it's frankly a bit underwhelming. Maybe his process doesn't work with this game pace.
GeneralHankerchief
06-06-2017, 20:27
I agree that a declining level of contribution is in general a scumtell, but I'm not sure about the "town taking a beating" connection. Couldn't townies lose heart and stop participating? Or feel that they've lost control and simply stick with tunneling their main suspect?
They could, but the frustration is more likely to shine through. You've read Champ's ISO, does he look like he fits that category?
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Monty, in no world are we lynching novice today.
I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.
Why should we lynch El Barto then?
They could, but the frustration is more likely to shine through. You've read Champ's ISO, does he look like he fits that category?
Yeah actually he doesn't.
Montmorency
06-06-2017, 20:34
They could, but the frustration is more likely to shine through. You've read Champ's ISO, does he look like he fits that category?
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Monty, in no world are we lynching novice today.
In what world do Mafia kill BSmith N3 instead of novice?
Why should we lynch El Barto then?
You two are the top suspects, flipping you puts other pieces into place, and you are relatively-unlikely to be partnered.
I am not lynching Jabbz, and confound-posters Manasi and Champ can wait.
You two are the top suspects, flipping you puts other pieces into place, and you are relatively-unlikely to be partnered.
I am not lynching Jabbz, and confound-posters Manasi and Champ can wait.
OK?
I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.
GeneralHankerchief
06-06-2017, 20:45
In what world do Mafia kill BSmith N3 instead of novice?
I have no idea, but "paranoia" had better not be more than a supplementary part of your case here.
I was one of the first to suspect novice back on D1, but he's fine now. He's had a strong tone and no agenda in his posts other than a desire to solve. The lack of pushing, etc, doesn't really work as an excuse here, because we've only had one person flip scum and that was handed to us on a silver platter.
You say you've started to reread Tokens - pull quotes. It's way too late in the game for us to be :daisy:ing around with this.
And why is Jabbz off the table for you?
Montmorency
06-06-2017, 20:55
I have no idea, but "paranoia" had better not be more than a supplementary part of your case here.
I was one of the first to suspect novice back on D1, but he's fine now. He's had a strong tone and no agenda in his posts other than a desire to solve. The lack of pushing, etc, doesn't really work as an excuse here, because we've only had one person flip scum and that was handed to us on a silver platter.
You say you've started to reread Tokens - pull quotes. It's way too late in the game for us to be :daisy:ing around with this.
And why is Jabbz off the table for you?
You've got it the other way around - pushing is how you flip scum, you don't just wait for scum "on a silver platter" to begin pushing.
Pulling quotes from another game isn't useful since it's a pattern, not a smoking gun. More productive showing how the pattern applies in this game.
Jabbz has behaved like a standard townie, and he does not fit in well for Mafioso scenarios. The game only begins to make sense once you are prepared to factor in novice as scum.
Montmorency
06-06-2017, 21:15
Novice re GH: 'He had a scummy response to Zack's block-baiting D5'.
Pocket-work? Novice's reaction of 'huh ho I totes get it vote csargo' falls in the same category.
Of the people who responded to me frustrations about Zack's tactic - GH, novice, Logic - GH and novice stood by having immediately recognized it for what it was, while Logic claimed it went over his head.
But the fact that you impressed upon us immediate recognition was the essence of Zack's genius: scum would be expecting that exact reveal, and so would present both sensitized and unmoved.
And Zack blocked someone last night, I'm sure. He didn't reveal it so he could have a chance at stopping his own kill. He failed of course, probably blocking Jabbz or Manasi. Meanwhile: novice kills unopposed!!
Monty, I'm not scum.
If I were scum, there's no way Csargo would be doing the kills.
Hi friends.
Just finished my first day of real people work.
Eeeeee.
WHAT'D I MISS
*catch up time*
GeneralHankerchief
06-06-2017, 21:27
Monty I'm about to leave work, not sure if I'll be back in time for EOD, but your case on novice is bad and it is a very bad idea to lynch him today.
wtf monty thinks novice is scum
ok
no
but ok
I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.
Breadth and superficiality.
No original cases, no commitment to pushes, just light questioning and the appearance of engagement. It's not that this is anti-town per se, but that it specifically figures in what I know of his scum play.
I have finally begun to reread Confections.
All his best moments were in fact piggybacked off Zack's activity. Nothing has reallychanged from D2, when I suspected him.
GH and novice can't be partners, because Csargo, GH, and novice voted Khaan D1, and there was no need to all pile on a single wagon as a team.
There's a question of a GH-Logic pairing. On D2 (Raith lynch), he spent much time on Choxorn wagon with novice and Barto (and Csargo), but jumped to Raith at the end, where Logic and Manasi were. GH-Barto has always been a plausible team, and Logic-GH could be too, but on D4, Viper vs Barto, GH was solid on Viper with Logic, Barto, and Manasi (and Csargo). Novice was of course on Barto wagon at the time. Assuming Barto was scum, GH-Barto follows most naturally, but Barto-Manasi, Barto-Logic, GH-Manasi, and GH-Logic are all possible.
As always, Champ is a wildcard.
And to answer Zack's question of why Csargo decided to vote auto instead of me D3: spread town wagons = spread scum votes, ideally. Novice was already voting me at the time, and having Csargo-novice partners securing my lynch wasn't worth the connection between the two when it didn't really matter who got lynched between lynchbait auto and fall guy Monty.
So it has to be novice or Barto for lynch today. Barto scum clears novice (and Jabbz). Novice scum clears GH and boosts Jabbz.
WE MUST CHOOSE
ok so everything here is fine except for the push on novice
i told you guys about barto lol
sure monty
let's do this for now
still catching up, reading backwards like a pleb
Vote: El Barto
Champ, to repeat an earlier question that went unanswered: Who are you calling a liar in this post? Were you saying Manasi lied about being poisoned?
yes
Night actions:
N1: Unclaimed: Someone killed Cuthilius
N1: Claimed: Monty blocked GH
N1: Claimed: El Barto poisoned Manasi
N1, possible: Someone attacked SeveringViper
N2: Unclaimed: Someone healed Manasi?
N2: Unclaimed: Someone used Thunderbolt (ineffective)
N2: Unclaimed: Someone killed Sooh
N3: Unclaimed: Someone killed BSmith
N3: SeveringViper blocked Monty
N3: Zack blocked Monty (3 nights)
N4: Zack blocked Csargo (3 nights)
N4: Noone was killed
N5: Someone killed Zack
Day 1
6 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747732#post2053747732), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748091#post2053748091), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748099#post2053748099), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748240#post2053748240), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748261#post2053748261), Raith Kemmler (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748268#post2053748268))
4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747798#post2053747798), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748093#post2053748093), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748128#post2053748128), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748264#post2053748264))
3 votes: choxorn (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748251#post2053748251), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748259#post2053748259), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748263#post2053748263))
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747721#post2053747721), Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748143#post2053748143))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748200#post2053748200))
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748037#post2053748037))
Day 2
5 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748363#post2053748363), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748626#post2053748626), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748677#post2053748677), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748694#post2053748694), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748720#post2053748720))
4 votes: choxorn (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748417#post2053748417), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748435#post2053748435), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748703#post2053748703), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748709#post2053748709))
1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748370#post2053748370))
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748643#post2053748643))
Day 3
3 votes: Autolycus (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749249#post2053749249), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749268#post2053749268), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749288#post2053749288))
3 votes: Montmorency (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748984#post2053748984), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749106#post2053749106), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749266#post2053749266))
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749036#post2053749036), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749058#post2053749058))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748916#post2053748916))
1 votes: Champ (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748912#post2053748912))
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749060#post2053749060))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749131#post2053749131))
Day 4
6 votes: SeveringViper (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749569#post2053749569), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749593#post2053749593), Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749597#post2053749597), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749628#post2053749628), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749629#post2053749629),
GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749645#post2053749645))
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749541#post2053749541), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749550#post2053749550), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749586#post2053749586), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749616#post2053749616))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749382#post2053749382))
Day 5
7 votes: Csargo (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749771#post2053749771), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749792#post2053749792), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749826#post2053749826), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749863#post2053749863), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749884#post2053749884), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749898#post2053749898), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750004#post2053750004))
1 votes: Zack (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749799#post2053749799))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749959#post2053749959))
1 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750101#post2053750101))
Novice - Very likely town. Active, prodding, top poster. He mentioned in Tokens, where he was a wolf, he was townread all game and survived to the end. I looked and saw he had less than a third as many posts in that game as he does here, so didn't bother looking into it further just for paranoid tinfoil.
Montmorency - Likely town. I think his reaction earlier today went past the point of performance art. I do have some pause for how Csargo and Monty have interacted all game, but I think Monty's just town.
GeneralHankerchief - Likely town. Spew looks good for him. Plus he looks town and I don't buy any of the arguments that have been used against him.
Champ - Lean town. He feels like a scapegoat. His posts are within his town range and I can see some of things that could indicate town mindset. It's all so absurdly low effort that I can't give any more confidence than this.
Logic - Null. Not sure how to feel about this slot. Some of his posts I've liked, some I haven't been so crazy about.
Manasi - POE. Don't like the pop in / pop out thing, it's something I've seen her do as a wolf - where she'll pop in to say hey what's up, then not really say anything and leave, repeat. She has not had the WIM she claimed.
El Barto - POE. This has been done to death. On re-read a lot of his posts rub me the wrong way. On actually looking into that one QT, claiming the poison seems in his wheelhouse. Don't forget what GH said about Barto bussing/distancing either, it's true - his thing with Jabbz is not clearing in any way.
Jabbz - POE. Kind of underwhelming all game (I don't want to hear about time constraints, this is a quality issue not quantity). He hasn't seemed overly concerned with hunting, and his GH push falls really flat. His treatment of Logic is bizarre, and being so confident about it with no paranoia is off. I think GH has made good points here.
Zack's last will is still very good, and I think I only disagree with him on Jabbz now.
Join me on Manasi, villagers?
Fake edit: Crossposting with Manasi, will read her posts next.
yes
1) How do you know?
2) If you think so, why on earth haven't you been voting her?
1) How do you know?
2) If you think so, why on earth haven't you been voting her?
1. i dont
2. i believe the claim over logic
My last input:
If I am not mistaken, Jabbz, So Barto and I have all expressed a willingness to be lynched today to illuminate our respective cases.
Lynch whomever clears/damns to most others.
Tally as of post 1651:
Lynch votes
3 votes: El Barto (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750190#post2053750190), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750319#post2053750319), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750447#post2053750447))
2 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750186#post2053750186), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750325#post2053750325))
1 votes: Champ (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750275#post2053750275))
1 votes: Jabbz (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750369#post2053750369))
1 votes: Manasi (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750386#post2053750386))
Voting history:
Logic
El Barto
El Barto
Champ
El Barto
Logic
Jabbz
Champ
Champ
Manasi
El Barto
My last input:
If I am not mistaken, Jabbz, So Barto and I have all expressed a willingness to be lynched today to illuminate our respective cases.
Lynch whomever clears/damns to most others.
Yeah, that's not what I said Logic.
I agree that barto is a good lynch. If he is town, I'm wrong, you will lynch me, and town will lose, but I'm fairly certain I'm not wrong. You can lynch me, and I'm not certain thats a bad thing. I'm town, but I'm an easy lylo lynch at this point, though I think not the only one. I think its likely we have two more scum, and all they have to do is get one other vote on me and it's likely over. Killing me now would provide some information I think, though not as much as I would hope because my play has not been stellar, but it still might provide the nudge needed to properly evaluate others. That being said, I still don't want to be lynched, as I know I'm town and that reduces our odds of winning.
I get why people would want to lynch me, and I might be a bigger problem later than now, but I know I'm town, so lynching me is intrinsically bad for town. I'm still somewhat concerned I/We are being played by Monte, but I think El Barto is still a good choice.
Montmorency
06-06-2017, 22:37
Zack's last will is still very good, and I think I only disagree with him on Jabbz now.
Join me on Manasi, villagers?
Fake edit: Crossposting with Manasi, will read her posts next.
Why would Manasi be the best choice for today over the other pressing wagons? Even Logic is a better wagon than Manasi aorn
Yeah, that's not what I said Logic.
I get why people would want to lynch me, and I might be a bigger problem later than now, but I know I'm town, so lynching me is intrinsically bad for town. I'm still somewhat concerned I/We are being played by Monte, but I think El Barto is still a good choice.
I don't play people, but novice can roll town if you ignore him.
El Barto
is novice CFD possible? We can't do this without at least 3 votes, so Jabbz and/or Logic needed. Even Champ?
GeneralHankerchief
06-06-2017, 22:54
I'm back, prefer Barto here
Vote: El Barto
I'm back, prefer Barto here
Vote: El Barto
no you will vote logic
tfw I just got home.
God bless DC traffic.
Regarding Zack's read on me, it was almost completely based on activity, which is something I had literally no control over, so take that for what it's worth.
tfw I just got home.
God bless DC traffic.
Regarding Zack's read on me, it was almost completely based on activity, which is something I had literally no control over, so take that for what it's worth.
you will vote logic
no you will vote logic
Why Logic idgi
you will vote logic
i'd rather vote the guy that poisoned me tbqh
i'd rather vote the guy that poisoned me tbqh
logic tied your mother to the back of a truck and drove it off a cliff
Why would Manasi be the best choice for today over the other pressing wagons? Even Logic is a better wagon than Manasi aorn
It feels like El Barto has been the default choice all day, so I'm pushing my other suspects. Manasi is above Logic on my current list of suspects. I don't need the towncred of being on scum!Barto, but others do.
It feels like El Barto has been the default choice all day, so I'm pushing my other suspects. Manasi is above Logic on my current list of suspects. I don't need the towncred of being on scum!Barto, but others do.
do you want to vote logic
Montmorency
06-06-2017, 23:00
It feels like El Barto has been the default choice all day, so I'm pushing my other suspects. Manasi is above Logic on my current list of suspects. I don't need the towncred of being on scum!Barto, but others do.
!
Fingers crossed, people.
Just don't forget the conditionals!
manasi you havent even voted
Didn't realize it's midnight already. GL us.
Askthepizzaguy
06-06-2017, 23:01
:01
Time is up, round over.
Stop posting, please.
Askthepizzaguy
06-06-2017, 23:27
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Day Six
http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue28/geological_diglett.png
Diglett's Cave
In order to toughen up his remaining pokemon, the trainer entered Diglett's cave, a tunnel that was created by a family of digletts. The low-level and low defense diglett pokemon inside the cave would be a cinch for just about any of the trainer's pokemon to defeat.
So, after a few hours of grinding, training hard, and wiping out entire generations of digletts, possibly causing the entire species to go extinct, the trainer ran into a different pokemon in the cave.
Well, isn't that just three digletts? I guess that will make things faster. They're basically mooks with one hit point each, the underground equivalent of a dodo.
What could go wrong?
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/sonicpokemon/images/d/d7/Dugtrio_AG_anime.png/revision/latest?cb=20130619041300
Dugtrio
Oh.
I see where this is going.
The narrator chose to find an image of a dugtrio that had angry, menacing eyes, instead of the usual derpy look.
That's not good. That means that someone is definitely about to die. After all, it is a lynch. Oooh, the suspense. What happens next?
Well, it knows Dig, it knows Fury Swipes, it knows Magnitude, and it knows Sand Attack.
Dig is a fairly powerful ground type move. Fury Swipes is a multi-hit normal attack which is going to be a critical hit since Dugtrio is so fast. Magnitude gives various attack powers, which means for the purposes of this writeup, it's always gonna hit with 150 power, because narrative hax. And Sand attack is there just to guarantee you won't ever be able to hit this thing and kill it at all!
It also has Arena Trap as its special ability. It prevents you from running from battle or even switching out your pokemon.
Do you have any idea how screwed that means you are?
Also, it's a level 31 dugtrio, less than 5 percent chance of running into this guy.
Yeah....
Welp! I hope you're using your best pokemon otherwise you're pretty screwed obvious-setup-for-ironic-cutaway!
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/f/f0/014Kakuna.png/250px-014Kakuna.png
Kakuna
Oh good. Does it have any offensive moves?
Poison sting with 0 pp left, since you've been grinding and not paying attention.
String shot (lol, why would you ever use this)
Harden.
Welp.
Let's get started!
I wonder how this will turn out!
....
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Dugtrio used Fury Swipes!
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/f/f0/014Kakuna.png/250px-014Kakuna.png
Kakuna used Harden!
http://pm1.narvii.com/5918/f393038ed63244e075d2b3fefa0f844c55c7706a_hq.jpg
Dugtrio used Dig!
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/f/f0/014Kakuna.png/250px-014Kakuna.png
Kakuna used Harden!
https://i.imgur.com/flmidtN.gif
Dugtrio used Sand Attack!
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/57/5776cf3af355913d3356cdcbdd6a59b93e3610c923b70ee28d7bfa8a8528e397.jpg
Kakuna used Harden!
https://cdn.destructoid.com//ul/351922-h1.jpg
Dugtrio used Magnitude!
http://new4.fjcdn.com/pictures/Kakuna+matata+quite+genius_5070b7_3620251.jpg
Kakuna used faint!
Askthepizzaguy
06-06-2017, 23:31
El Barto fainted!
He was...
Kakuna, Level 9
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Town
1x poison
Immune to poison (hidden trait)
It is Night!
Do not post.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2017, 22:37
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Night Six
Trainer Versus:
Pokemon League Champion Gary
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/1/1e/Saffron_City_HGSS.png/784px-Saffron_City_HGSS.png
Saffron City
The trainer somehow made it past Lt. Surge, and Erika.
Don't ask me how.
After getting the Silph Scope and the Poke Flute and the piping hot Tea, they were finally able to access the heavily guarded city in the center of Kanto. This place is the base of operations for Team rocket, the international criminal organization responsible for trying to steal Pokemon, Silph Scopes, and Poke Flutes.
Not tea, though. They don't know about the tea, yet. But when they find out about it, they'll want to steal it from the old lady.
Anyway, at the center of town is the Silph Corporation tower, a skyscraper that towers above most of Kanto.
It seems that the rumors were true, Silph Corporation is working hard to develop a Master Ball, capable of catching any pokemon with perfect accuracy. Such a thing in the hands of Team rocket would be catastrophic. They could catch legendary pokemon and rule the world.
Well, it was up to the trainer of legend, whose name would soon be known all across the land, whatever it is.
Only one thing stood in the way of that legend.
Was it the big boss, Giovanni, head of Team rocket?
No.
It was someone far, far worse.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/z6fC7AObvUc/hqdefault.jpg
Click for music....
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Gary Oak:
"Well, well, well. Look who it is, it's the dweeb next door. How's it going, loser? I'll have you know that I, Gary Oak, have earned all the Kanto region badges and defeated the Elite Four. And do you even know what that means? Course you don't, ignoramus. It means that I am the Pokemon league champion of Kanto!
I figured your pathetic little team of washout pokemon would love a chance to occupy the same breathing space as a living legend. Today is your lucky day! I, the Pokemon league champion, will accept a challenge from the likes of you! No need to thank me. Let's you and me duke it out, my best pokemon against your best pokemon. Do you think you even stand a chance?
The rules are very simple, simple enough that you can even understand them, stupid.
The first rule is that I, Gary Oak, will never be defeated by someone as talentless as you.
The second rule is that healing potions and revives are for losers.
The third rule is that this is a pokemon death match. If your pokemon faint, that doesn't mean mine are going to stop tearing them apart. Someone like you doesn't deserve to own pokemon anyway, since you haven't the slightest clue how to train them.
And finally, no running from battle. You can cry to your mommy when the fight is over, but I'm not letting you walk out of here.
Don't worry, there are no cameras and no adoring fans cheering me on. You might as well call me Gary the Merciful. I wouldn't want to embarrass a dear old friend like you on national television! All that's at stake is my title of Pokemon Champion, and the lives of your pathetic pokemon!
A no holds barred grudge match to the death. While I'm champion, those are the only kinds of battles I'll fight. I just find them a whole lot less boring, when there's blood on the line.
Well, loser? Are you ready to watch all your pokemon die? I hope you are. Let's go!!!"
Trainer chose....
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/d/da/100Voltorb.png/250px-100Voltorb.png
Voltorb
Gary Oak:
"No problem. Go, Gary-dos! Time to show off how amazing we are!!!"
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/a/ab/130Gyarados_AG_anime.png/revision/latest?cb=20131215003841
Gyarados
The trainer's Voltorb would be able to hit Gyarados at 4 times the normal damage.
Gary was certainly overflowing with confidence here, to send out Water/Flying type Gyarados up against an electric pokemon, no matter how weak.
He must have had something special up his sleeve.
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
http://www.animeyume.com/voltorb.jpg
Voltorb used Thunder Wave!
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leonhartimvu/images/d/d3/130_Gyarados_DW.png/revision/latest?cb=20131115160430
Gyarados is paralyzed!
It may be unable to move!
Gary Oak:
"Hah, you'll have to do better than that. Gary-dos is the best pokemon in the entire league! He'll finish you no sweat!"
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
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Voltorb used Screech!
Gyarados' defense greatly fell!
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/16400000/Gary-gary-oak-16465188-640-426.jpg
Gary Oak:
"Gyarados, use Hyper Beam! Destroy that stupid ball!"
http://img15.deviantart.net/2d1c/i/2006/166/9/e/gyarados_used_hyper_beam_by_yushiko.jpg
Gyarados used Hyper Beam!
Gyarados is paralyzed and unable to move!
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/d/da/100Voltorb.png/250px-100Voltorb.png
Voltorb used Tackle!
Gary Oak:
"Gyarados, snap out of it! Use a Hydro Pump!"
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/41/130Gyarados.png/250px-130Gyarados.png
Gyarados used Hydro Pump!
Gyarados is paralyzed and unable to move!
Gary Oak:
"Gyarados, Earthquake! Earthquake!!!"
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
http://pm1.narvii.com/6051/83a14d81a6ca5f618632590fb8381e03dd723513_hq.jpg
Voltorb used Thunderbolt!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AsqYVbo-mTc/T0KdzURLKiI/AAAAAAAAA4M/e49Zbngnmuo/s1600/Gyarados+top+five+pokemon+countdown.png
Gyarados used Earthquake!
*Critical hit!*
A pokemon has fainted!!
Gary Oak:
"......."
Trainer:
". . . . . . ."
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2017, 22:43
Montmorency fainted!
He was...
Voltorb, Level 19
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/d/da/100Voltorb.png/250px-100Voltorb.png
Town
1x roleblock
1x weak vigilante shot (only affects those weak to electricity)
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2017, 22:45
It is Day.
Mislynch = Town loses!
You may post.
GeneralHankerchief
06-07-2017, 22:49
oh god I was really hoping I'd be the NK here
how many people are alive
it actually might be novice considering he hasnt died
GeneralHankerchief
06-07-2017, 22:54
how many people are alive
Six left, has to be two scum.
its logic/novice or logic/jabbz
GeneralHankerchief
06-07-2017, 22:55
it actually might be novice considering he hasnt died
Does he have any potential partners?
who was the poison healer
do we know?
GeneralHankerchief
06-07-2017, 22:57
who was the poison healer
do we know?
Don't think so, no.
Don't think so, no.
they should claim
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2017, 23:07
Votes are not locked today. round ends at the usual time and no sooner.
they should claim
Agreed.
In fact we should mass claim in the order Logic-Manasi-Jabbz-Champ-GH-novice.
DAY STARTED EARLY WHY
Hi I feel like being here for a while.
Champ u didn't see me vote yesterday soab
In fact we should mass claim in the order Logic-Manasi-Jabbz-Champ-GH-novice.
I'm da GOAT.
How's that for a claim
I'm da GOAT.
How's that for a claim
The scapegoat?
The scapegoat?
no
the greatest of all time
plz
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2017, 02:11
Okay so I'm concurrently following FIVE games in realtime over on MU right now because of the stupid championships so I apologize for not getting down and focusing on this right away. BUT. I'm going to do my damnedest to make sure this gets down to an F4. Mafia, please reward my efforts by letting me into deadchat and taking a bit of work off my plate, thanks in advance.
More in a bit
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2017, 02:19
Jabbz Champ Logic Manasi novice
not a particular POE, just thinking
2/5 are mafia.
not Champ/Logic
Champ/novice could be distancing?
Champ/Manasi???
not Champ/Jabbz
could be Jabbz/Logic
could be Jabbz/Manasi
Jabbz/novice???
Logic/Manasi???
Logic/novice possible, didn't novice have him at a full null?
Manasi/novice???
Kinda hate that literally all of my possible Manasi pairings are ???s.
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2017, 02:24
Okay Manasi/Champ probably not a team.
Manasi your town circle had me, Champ, and novice in it right? So from your perspective it's an easy game. Has this changed at all? Can you give us perspective?
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2017, 02:26
I'm about ready to clear Champ. His only possible partner for me is novice, and the two of them are my top two townreads (Champ having gotten to that point after his EOD yesterday), so if I'm wrong then lolme. But I don't think I'm wrong, at least not this spectacularly so.
Okay Manasi/Champ probably not a team.
Manasi your town circle had me, Champ, and novice in it right? So from your perspective it's an easy game. Has this changed at all? Can you give us perspective?
yeah I'm pretty sure the monty death just super hammers in Logic scum.
If I'm wrong on anyone I think i'd more comfortably say it was champ but I'm very confident in the fact that it isn't him. Like the scapegoat thing seems like something he would ride and something he'd definitely want to ride, but I don't think that's this game.
I've got nothing. I was sure Barto was scum, and if he wasn't i figured monty was taking us for a ride. I assume I'm alive because I'm an easy sell as scum. I don't have the energy right now to read everyone in context, sorry, just the flat truth. I'll think about whose alive from here and let you know when I have something. I'll try to answer any questions sent my way.
Okay so I'm concurrently following FIVE games in realtime over on MU right now because of the stupid championships so I apologize for not getting down and focusing on this right away. BUT. I'm going to do my damnedest to make sure this gets down to an F4. Mafia, please reward my efforts by letting me into deadchat and taking a bit of work off my plate, thanks in advance.
More in a bit
7z7
I fixed that for you
I've got nothing. I was sure Barto was scum, and if he wasn't i figured monty was taking us for a ride. I assume I'm alive because I'm an easy sell as scum. I don't have the energy right now to read everyone in context, sorry, just the flat truth. I'll think about whose alive from here and let you know when I have something. I'll try to answer any questions sent my way.
Right now I'm locked on you and Logic being the two scum left.
Why am I wrong on someone I'm clearing?
You got time and a half tbh, 6 people and 48 hours zzz.
Vote: Logic
Logic, I think you're a very likely lynch today. Please claim your role and actions, no reason to be coy.
Night actions:
N1: Someone killed Cuthilius
N1: Monty blocked GH
N1: El Barto poisoned Manasi
N1, possible: Someone attacked SeveringViper
N2: Unclaimed: Someone healed Manasi?
N2: Unclaimed: Someone (Monty?) used Thunderbolt (ineffective)
N2: Someone killed Sooh
N3: Someone killed BSmith
N3: SeveringViper blocked Monty
N3: Zack blocked Monty (3 nights)
N4: Zack blocked Csargo (3 nights)
N4: Noone was killed
N5: Someone killed Zack
N6: Someone killed Monty
Day 1
6 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747732#post2053747732), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748091#post2053748091), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748099#post2053748099), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748240#post2053748240), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748261#post2053748261), Raith Kemmler (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748268#post2053748268))
4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747798#post2053747798), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748093#post2053748093), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748128#post2053748128), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748264#post2053748264))
3 votes: choxorn (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748251#post2053748251), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748259#post2053748259), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748263#post2053748263))
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747721#post2053747721), Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748143#post2053748143))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748200#post2053748200))
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748037#post2053748037))
Day 2
5 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748363#post2053748363), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748626#post2053748626), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748677#post2053748677), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748694#post2053748694), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748720#post2053748720))
4 votes: choxorn (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748417#post2053748417), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748435#post2053748435), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748703#post2053748703), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748709#post2053748709))
1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748370#post2053748370))
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748643#post2053748643))
Day 3
3 votes: Autolycus (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749249#post2053749249), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749268#post2053749268), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749288#post2053749288))
3 votes: Montmorency (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748984#post2053748984), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749106#post2053749106), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749266#post2053749266))
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749036#post2053749036), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749058#post2053749058))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748916#post2053748916))
1 votes: Champ (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748912#post2053748912))
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749060#post2053749060))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749131#post2053749131))
Day 4
6 votes: SeveringViper (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749569#post2053749569), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749593#post2053749593), Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749597#post2053749597), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749628#post2053749628), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749629#post2053749629),
GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749645#post2053749645))
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749541#post2053749541), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749550#post2053749550), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749586#post2053749586), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749616#post2053749616))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749382#post2053749382))
Day 5
7 votes: Csargo (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749771#post2053749771), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749792#post2053749792), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749826#post2053749826), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749863#post2053749863), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749884#post2053749884), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749898#post2053749898), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750004#post2053750004))
1 votes: Zack (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749799#post2053749799))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749959#post2053749959))
1 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750101#post2053750101))
Day 6
4 votes: El Barto (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750190#post2053750190), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750319#post2053750319), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750447#post2053750447), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750461#post2053750461))
2 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750186#post2053750186), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750325#post2053750325))
1 votes: Champ (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750275#post2053750275))
1 votes: Manasi (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750386#post2053750386))
Voting history:
Logic
El Barto
El Barto
Champ
El Barto
Logic
Jabbz
Champ
Champ
Manasi
El Barto
El Barto
I guess people are sleeping and/or discouraged. As for me I'm also a bit discouraged, looking at the wall of green in my tallies. I also have a social event to attend to for the rest of today.
So here's what I think: Nobody has claimed to heal Manasi, so either
a) Manasi had the ability to heal herself and lied about needing to be healed
b) Someone healed Manasi but doesn't want to admit to doing it.
In case of a) we lynch Manasi.
The reason for b) would be if the healer has fake claimed something that conflicts with being able to heal. So the healer is scum. There are a couple of options for who such a healer could be, but at any rate a scum healer wouldn't heal a townie. So in case of b) we also lynch Manasi.
Manasi has been all tone and no substance in this game.
Vote: Manasi
Vote: Logic
Logic, I think you're a very likely lynch today. Please claim your role and actions, no reason to be coy.
If that's the case, then there is a very likely wolf victory.
For the third time, I am vanilla town. I have no night actions.
If that's the case, then there is a very likely wolf victory.
For the third time, I am vanilla town. I have no night actions.
Thanks, I thought you did claim that, but I wasn't sure.
I'd be all for Manasi claiming now then.
Any other thoughts that might guide us away from a wolf victory, Logic?
I'm on mobile only soon. Tally as of post 1705:
Lynch votes
1 votes: Manasi (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750585#post2053750585))
Not voting: Manasi, Champ, Logic, GH, Jabbz
Voting history:
Logic
Manasi
Let me start by saying that I may use "scum" and "wolf" interchangeably. I hope this isn't confusing.
yeah I'm pretty sure the monty death just super hammers in Logic scum.
If I'm wrong on anyone I think i'd more comfortably say it was champ but I'm very confident in the fact that it isn't him. Like the scapegoat thing seems like something he would ride and something he'd definitely want to ride, but I don't think that's this game.Would you like to elaborate on your line of thinking? I know I am sometimes guilty of using phrases that show uncertainty and certainty in the same sentence, so this could be a mistake. So, are "you pretty sure", or am I "super hammered in" as scum with monty's death?
Thanks, I thought you did claim that, but I wasn't sure.
I'd be all for Manasi claiming now then.
Any other thoughts that might guide us away from a wolf victory, Logic?
Jabbz stated he thought I was a vanilla townie based on my Magikarp observation on Day 2 (or was it day 3?). I've come to the conclusion that the scum were probably given an idea of what the townie's role PMs look like per the host's Game Rules, specifically #8 & #9. With what Jabbz said when he initially "cleared" me makes me think he is reasonable choice for team scum. If the scum team received the version of the vanilla PM, then I cannot clear Jabbz. At the same time, he cannot clear me. I want to believe Jabbz
GeneralHankerchief has been on the lynching wagon every day BUT day 3. I'm not sure what to read of that, but something tells me that it is important. I've gone back and forth on him all game. His statement about hoping to be the night-kill would make no sense if he weren't judging the Mafia Championships, but I think that is some kind of tell as well.
Champ has no substance to anything he has posted thus far. While someone said that of Manasi, I feel the statement far more describes Champ than Manasi, due to the volume of posts and content therein alone. His tunneling still makes no sense to me.
Manasi I think is a reasonable choice for scum, because no one has yet claimed to have cured the poison condition. It may have been a dead player, but I have a theory. If Manasi is scum, there are 3 possible players (Manasi, Csargo and the third unknown scum) that could have healed her and had reason to keep it quiet. My primary reason for drawing this conclusion is if Csargo claims to have healed Manasi, and one is later lynched, it outs two wolves.
Novice is the one that I felt so confident on yesterday, and now, I'm having second thoughts.
I'm most comfortable with a Jabbz or Manasi lynch. I'm on break at work and I've run out of time; I'll add to my assessments on my next break.
Vote: Jabbz
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2017, 16:06
Logic, that entire post of yours appears like you're just throwing shade at literally everybody left in the game and keeping your options open. I don't get your conclusion of a Jabbz vote from what you wrote either, especially not from your last line in your Jabbz assessment.
Who do you think is the scumteam? Why? Who do you have as clear, or at least, closest to it?
Jabbz/Manasi is my top pick for the scum team.
And if it looks like I am keeping my options open, it's because I'm unsure. I've changed my opinion on most of my reads, and I've been wrong EOD three times, only been on a known wolf once, and my last two haven't flipped yet.
Jabbz stated he thought I was a vanilla townie based on my Magikarp observation on Day 2 (or was it day 3?). I've come to the conclusion that the scum were probably given an idea of what the townie's role PMs look like per the host's Game Rules, specifically #8 & #9. With what Jabbz said when he initially "cleared" me makes me think he is reasonable choice for team scum. If the scum team received the version of the vanilla PM, then I cannot clear Jabbz. At the same time, he cannot clear me. I want to believe Jabbz...
... is telling the truth about being a vanilla townie.
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2017, 20:43
I'm not lynching in Champ or novice today.
I'm not lynching in Champ or novice today.
So, by process of elimination, that means your top 3 suspects include myself, and my top 2 suspects.
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2017, 21:23
So, by process of elimination, that means your top 3 suspects include myself, and my top 2 suspects.
Yeah. It's not where I want to be, but it's kinda a weight off your shoulders when you have a 66% chance of guessing right as opposed to a 40% one.
(not that I plan to guess but you know what I mean)
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2017, 21:29
So, by process of elimination, that means your top 3 suspects include myself, and my top 2 suspects.
Here's another thing I don't like though Logic, when I made that statement you just took it for what it was. You didn't further question me on it, you didn't try to feel out where I was coming from on it, you didn't really try anything like that. Instead you just leaped directly for the "okay so this guy has a 1/3 chance of lynching me before other factors", almost like you already knew I was town and instead went straight for calculating your optimal lynch choice to get me to vote with you.
Logic
GeneralHankerchief
Champ
Jabbz
Manasi
Novice
Logic I'm leaning fairly town on. While we aren't seeing the same thing in our pm, or he is more cautious about that interpretation, he has been consistent since the issue came up, which I read as town.
GHC I don't like his play this game, but I don't read it scum as much as I did on day 2(?).
Champ I dont feel protective of at all. I think that even if he is town he has managed to do less than I have which is pretty shitty.
Manasi Hasn't done a whole hell of a lot either, but the play she has been exhibiting is similar to what I saw in her last game, where I think her role would be closer to town than to scum, despite it being a factional game.
I'm with GHC on Novice, I feel this is his standard town play to date, and he hasn't done anything egregious from my perspective.
What that comes down to however, is the two people i'm least happy with being two people that contributed virtually nothing all game. I don't buy that scum has been this successful by just phoning it in.
I'm going to throw my final vote on GHC. Largely I think this is due to the fact that I think his play has been subpar this game, but I know him to be an excellent town player. He has vote for :Seireikhaan, Raith Kemmler, Jabbz, SeveringViper, Csargo, and El Barto. Each time he pushed a vote it was a safe vote, never really bucking the system, which has allowed him to largely fly under the radar in terms of accountability. I think he has managed to play a great scum game, but hopefully we can put an end to it now.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2017, 22:03
I'm going to throw my final vote on GHC. Largely I think this is due to the fact that I think his play has been subpar this game, but I know him to be an excellent town player. He has vote for :Seireikhaan, Raith Kemmler, Jabbz, SeveringViper, Csargo, and El Barto. Each time he pushed a vote it was a safe vote, never really bucking the system, which has allowed him to largely fly under the radar in terms of accountability. I think he has managed to play a great scum game, but hopefully we can put an end to it now.
Is this a slip?
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2017, 22:17
There's a few issues with Jabbz's big post just now, but as far as I'm concerned only one matters. He said he was casting his *final* vote against me.
If Jabbz was actually town and legitimately believed I was scum he wouldn't be using the term "final" because a correct lynch would extejd the game to another round. If he's mafia, though, it would indeed be a final vote - because the game would end with my lynch.
I'm pretty sure here that Jabbz lost perspective for a moment, and I'm basically treating him as outed scum now. He has to be the lynch for today.
Vote: Jabbz
GeneralHankerchief
06-08-2017, 22:23
Extejd = extended
That is your take away from my post? That I made a mistake that only a rookie would make? I expect it to be my final vote because I think we aren't going to win. I suppose its possible that we will make it through the day, and honestly if that's the case there is a decent chance I'll make it through the night, as I'm still a pretty easy sell for a mislynch. Realistically however, I'm either going to be lynched today, or we are going to lose. We have a 1 in 3 chance of getting scum right now. Everyone seems to have their votes spread out, yet two of you can work together to ensure the vote at the end of the day lands on a townie. That makes it poor odds in our favor.
But lets look past that for a moment. My biggest issue with your play this game has been your cherry picking in dealing with others arguments, especially mine. Rather than deal with the substance of my argument, you have yet again looked only to one little thing and said "LOOK THERE! He made this one little mistake, don't look at anything else, just this one thing." Despite that however, despite your early surety of my guilt, you kept putting your vote elsewhere. You kept me alive to push on me later. You never made a serious attempt to get me dead, but happily jumped on the wagons of townies instead. Why is that? As I said before, I'm an easy lynch late game, so you kept me around just for that cause.
Hi.
Been at a site visit all day and just now woke up from a nap after that.
Jabbz/Manasi is my top pick for the scum team.
And if it looks like I am keeping my options open, it's because I'm unsure. I've changed my opinion on most of my reads, and I've been wrong EOD three times, only been on a known wolf once, and my last two haven't flipped yet.
Read novice's posts but want to discuss this one a little bit.
My lynch list is Logic/Jabbz. This post could easily be leaving one mislynch on the table (myself) and then adding his partner (Jabbz) in to make sure that IF ALL ELSE FAILS, he put a mafia in the list of people he wants to lynch. I think that's kinda red flag-ish, but I think that definitely stands out to me moreso than other people just because it seems like he's trying to sort of cover himself and save face while still giving town at least part of the truth (in that Jabbz is scum).
As for Novice, I am also very confused as to who/what healed me and why they did. I haven't paid insanely close attention to flips. Has anyone dead flipped with any healing powers or items? If not, then the person who healed me is still alive and should maybe say something.
Manasi, what is your role?
In answer to your question, Manasi:
Narration (post 3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-Pre-game&p=2053747662&viewfull=1#post2053747662))
Start of Day One (post 4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-Pre-game&p=2053747671&viewfull=1#post2053747671))
End of Day One (post 438 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748278&viewfull=1#post2053748278))
Seireikhaan fainted (post 439 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748279&viewfull=1#post2053748279)) Bulbasaur, 3p survivor
End of Night One (post 442 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748358&viewfull=1#post2053748358))
Cuthillius fainted (post 443 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748359&viewfull=1#post2053748359)) Oddish, Town 1x poison
End of Day Two (post 728 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748726&viewfull=1#post2053748726))
Raith Kemmler fainted (post 729 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748727&viewfull=1#post2053748727)) Ekans, Town 1x block
End of Night Two (post 732)
Sooh fainted (post 732 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748845&viewfull=1#post2053748845)) Diglett, Town 1x block
Zack replaced in for choxorn. (post 733)
End of Day Three (post 1051 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749313&viewfull=1#post2053749313))
Autolycus fainted (post 1052 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749314&viewfull=1#post2053749314)) Pidgey, Town Nonconsecutive Self-protect + 1x block, ground immune
End of Night Three (post 1057 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749361&viewfull=1#post2053749361))
BSmith fainted (post 1058 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749362&viewfull=1#post2053749362)) Meowth, Town
End of Day Four (post 1291 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749665&viewfull=1#post2053749665))
SeveringViper fainted (post 1292 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749666&viewfull=1#post2053749666)) Squirtle, Town Nonconsecutive Self-protect + 1x block
End of Night Four (post 1293 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749760&viewfull=1#post2053749760))
No one fainted (post 1294 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749761&viewfull=1#post2053749761))
End of Day Five (post 1536 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053750130&viewfull=1#post2053750130)) Heracross, Mafia goon with self-protect ability
End of Night Five (post 1538 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053750185&viewfull=1#post2053750185)) Paras, Town 2x Sleep, 1x Block
End of Day Six (post 1669 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053750477&viewfull=1#post2053750477))
El barto fainted (post 1670 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053750478&viewfull=1#post2053750478)) Kakuna, Town 1x poison, poison immune
End of Night Six (post 1671 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053750523&viewfull=1#post2053750523))
Montmorency fainted (post 1672 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053750525&viewfull=1#post2053750525)) Voltorb, Town 1x Block, 1x Weak electricity vig shot
That is your take away from my post? That I made a mistake that only a rookie would make? I expect it to be my final vote because I think we aren't going to win. I suppose its possible that we will make it through the day, and honestly if that's the case there is a decent chance I'll make it through the night, as I'm still a pretty easy sell for a mislynch. Realistically however, I'm either going to be lynched today, or we are going to lose. We have a 1 in 3 chance of getting scum right now. Everyone seems to have their votes spread out, yet two of you can work together to ensure the vote at the end of the day lands on a townie. That makes it poor odds in our favor.
But lets look past that for a moment. My biggest issue with your play this game has been your cherry picking in dealing with others arguments, especially mine. Rather than deal with the substance of my argument, you have yet again looked only to one little thing and said "LOOK THERE! He made this one little mistake, don't look at anything else, just this one thing." Despite that however, despite your early surety of my guilt, you kept putting your vote elsewhere. You kept me alive to push on me later. You never made a serious attempt to get me dead, but happily jumped on the wagons of townies instead. Why is that? As I said before, I'm an easy lynch late game, so you kept me around just for that cause.
Is this another slip?
Kind of agree with the second paragraph though.
I was laying out the possibilities as I saw them. I get lynched, we lynch another townie and lose, or by some dumb luck we get scum. That's the 1/3 I was talking about.
GeneralHankerchief
06-09-2017, 02:22
But lets look past that for a moment. My biggest issue with your play this game has been your cherry picking in dealing with others arguments, especially mine. Rather than deal with the substance of my argument, you have yet again looked only to one little thing and said "LOOK THERE! He made this one little mistake, don't look at anything else, just this one thing." Despite that however, despite your early surety of my guilt, you kept putting your vote elsewhere. You kept me alive to push on me later. You never made a serious attempt to get me dead, but happily jumped on the wagons of townies instead. Why is that? As I said before, I'm an easy lynch late game, so you kept me around just for that cause.
The reason I keep pointing these mistakes by you out is because you keep making them. Little comments, here and there. Wording that's off. Phrasing that's, in my experience, far more likely to come from mafia. On their own they're pretty bad, but keep adding them up together? That's even worse.
But you want to get on me for nitpicking? Fine, let's look at your argument holistically.
Logic
GeneralHankerchief
Champ
Jabbz
Manasi
Novice
Logic I'm leaning fairly town on. While we aren't seeing the same thing in our pm, or he is more cautious about that interpretation, he has been consistent since the issue came up, which I read as town.
GHC I don't like his play this game, but I don't read it scum as much as I did on day 2(?).
Champ I dont feel protective of at all. I think that even if he is town he has managed to do less than I have which is pretty shitty.
Manasi Hasn't done a whole hell of a lot either, but the play she has been exhibiting is similar to what I saw in her last game, where I think her role would be closer to town than to scum, despite it being a factional game.
I'm with GHC on Novice, I feel this is his standard town play to date, and he hasn't done anything egregious from my perspective.
What that comes down to however, is the two people i'm least happy with being two people that contributed virtually nothing all game. I don't buy that scum has been this successful by just phoning it in.
I'm going to throw my final vote on GHC. Largely I think this is due to the fact that I think his play has been subpar this game, but I know him to be an excellent town player. He has vote for :Seireikhaan, Raith Kemmler, Jabbz, SeveringViper, Csargo, and El Barto. Each time he pushed a vote it was a safe vote, never really bucking the system, which has allowed him to largely fly under the radar in terms of accountability. I think he has managed to play a great scum game, but hopefully we can put an end to it now.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
In total this post gives five reads, three of which (Logic, Manasi, novice) are town. He scumreads me, sort of and weakly, and tosses shade at Champ but the actual read is ambiguous. So is the team exactly me and Champ? Does that make sense from our interactions over the course of the game?
You've been reasonably consistent on reading both Champ and myself scum for the better part of the game (at the very least the second half), but have you ever truly gone for us? Let's roll the tape:
So I've gone back and reread Monty. I'm not a fan of his inconsistencies, or his zeroing in on GHC when he is not here to defend himself. In addition to that I mislike the idea of lynching GHC when he has justifiable reasons for not engaging in substantial self defense. As I stated earlier, I'm down to rake him across the coals tomorrow, but doing so today seems to be less than ideal both because we increase our chance of lynching town, but also because we get less valid information to work with whether he pops town or scum.
Given the tie, and the fact that I know I am town: Vote: Montmorency.
Okay so he clearly sides with me against Monty here (before the wagons move).
Because your "reason" for voting logic is bad. I'd say it's poorly explained, but I don't even think it qualifies as that. You dislike a vote he places so that "locks wolf." No one else is going after votes in a manner quite so haphazardly.
Shading Champ, not enough to shift him off Barto (his current vote).
All reads subject to change after iso reads in the upcoming day, but this is where I view things currently.
Lock Town
Logic
Likely Town
Manasi
Unsure in no particular order
Novice
Csargo
Zack choxorn
Possible Scum
Champ
Montmorency
Scum, El Barto more sure than GHC
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto
Okay so Barto's a higher priority than me here.
If that wasn't you're intent then we're all good. I stand by my argument, there is a difference in the amount of time necessary to follow compared to posting. As to being careful with my posts, ensuring I use factual information with my arguments is kind of important when you're town. That you see being measured and careful as a bad thing strikes me as odd. Either way, I'm fairly convinced you're scum, so I'm not likely to change your mind anyway :P
He's "fairly convinced" I'm scum here, yet...
Well I'm not sure I'm going to be around at EOD, so I'll throw my vote out now. It doesn't really seem to matter given that there is little chance CSargo isn't swinging. I still think Barto and GHC are the likely scum, and I'll stand by that. Vote: El Barto
In before someone says I'm trying to save CSargo. He's ahead by 5 votes, nothing I do could change that with 2h left.
I'm still not his top vote.
I find myself in a weird position here. I really dislike the play El Barto has been conducting throughout this game. At the same time however I've spent the last 3 games trying to identify the vibe I'm getting from Monty, and I think I finally pinned it down. He reminds me of a slick used car salesman this game. Always trying to sell, using whatever works. I don't know if that makes me think he is scum, but it makes me think he isn't town, so perhaps a 3rd party, perhaps a 3rd party with a lynch goal.
I agree that barto is a good lynch. If he is town, I'm wrong, you will lynch me, and town will lose, but I'm fairly certain I'm not wrong. You can lynch me, and I'm not certain thats a bad thing. I'm town, but I'm an easy lylo lynch at this point, though I think not the only one. I think its likely we have two more scum, and all they have to do is get one other vote on me and it's likely over. Killing me now would provide some information I think, though not as much as I would hope because my play has not been stellar, but it still might provide the nudge needed to properly evaluate others. That being said, I still don't want to be lynched, as I know I'm town and that reduces our odds of winning.
As such I'm still down for barto.
Novice I'm feeling more townie. He's doing a lot of meta, but IIRC that tends to be his norm. I don't get the noviscum feel from him this game though.
GHC I don't know that I feel is scum anymore. An honest evaluation of my play shows I'm not doing all that hot, but he is still ignoring arguments I make, and cherry picking to defend his case which screams scum to me. I'm not able to articulate why I'm less bothered by his play than by Barto's, but I am.
Manasi I just don't know how to feel about. Her engagement is similar to what it was in the only other game I played with her, but there it was a faction game (the french one) so it doesn't provide a great standard to judge by. I don't get any direct scum vibes though, and some towny so yeah.
Logic. I dunno. I feel like logic should have gotten my reference at the beginning of this day. The fact that he didn't, when he laid out a partial case for it earlier in the game implies that he is either hiding the information, or somehow magically missed something he brought up days ago. Perhaps he gained an ability, or changed faction, I dunno. It is weird though.
All things considered: Vote: El Barto. Please remember that one of the votes on him is his own, and thus subject to last minute changing, so weigh the total vote carefully when you cast your own. Not sure if I'll be here in 40, but good luck to us.
New day, same as before.
~~~~~~~~
Meanwhile, this is your attack on me from just a little while ago:
Despite that however, despite your early surety of my guilt, you kept putting your vote elsewhere. You kept me alive to push on me later. You never made a serious attempt to get me dead, but happily jumped on the wagons of townies instead. Why is that? As I said before, I'm an easy lynch late game, so you kept me around just for that cause.
You're doing the exact same thing with me, and you know this, and you attack me for it.
Our defenses are probably going to be similar, so let's just get them out of the way now:
I always did scumread you, but due to lack of time to make a serious push on my end plus thread sentiment not particularly conducive to it, I've gone after other targets I've also believed to be likely scum. The specifics of these targets can vary: Barto for you, whichever of the two wagons I believed was scummier for me, but the main point of the defense is the same.
Here's the main two points of differentiation:
First, the outright lies.
He has vote for :Seireikhaan, Raith Kemmler, Jabbz, SeveringViper, Csargo, and El Barto. Each time he pushed a vote it was a safe vote, never really bucking the system, which has allowed him to largely fly under the radar in terms of accountability. I think he has managed to play a great scum game, but hopefully we can put an end to it now.
Right, a safe vote. D1 was a safe vote, when I was the most outspoken voice against khaan - who, for the fiftieth time, did not flip town - and took a large amount of heat for it. D2 was a safe vote, when I caught up with the thread with two minutes to go and made a gut call and voted one townie dead over another townie and took an incredible amount of heat for it. D3 was a safe vote, when I didn't have enough information to make a call and pointedly stayed on you, an unknown flip, over two townies. D4 was a safe vote, when I openly called for a CFD on you and only moved to Viper (a townie) at the last second because I thought he was more likely to flip scum than Barto (another townie). D5 was a safe vote, when I saw what Zack was doing and provided cover for him in case he didn't want to hardclaim. D6 was a safe vote when I came back, saw that you weren't happening, and moved to save my biggest townread at the time. Yeah, all of those were safe votes alright.
But the second point of differentiation is the hypocrisy.
According to the world that you want everyone to believe, I've lazily kept you around, playing with my food before I eat it, before I moved in for the final kill at MYLO now. Except I've pretty conclusively proven that you've pretty much done the same with me, and yet you're scumreading me for it, as if you know it's what you've done and therefore it's a scummy action and is therefore more likely to be taken as such by the town.
Here's what I'm betting happened: You took the thread's temperature, saw that my play had been lackluster and not up to my usual standards (something I freely admit, at least up until now), and as long as I kept being off target and the wagons kept being town/town I was an easy patsy to keep around until you brought the hammer down on me this phase.
Your case on me is completely baseless and you've been acting scummy all game, both from the content of your individual posts - which I've focused on numerous times - and your overall strategy/cases. So, since we've been unconsciously linked this entire game, let me close this out with one last paraphrase:
I think you've managed to play a great scum game, but hopefully we can put an end to it now.
Manasi has to be scum though, right? Noone has refuted that AFAICT.
THANK YOU FOR THE HEAL @ WHOEVER
HI ZACK
Did the GM tell you that you had been healed, or just that you were no longer poisoned, or what happened, exactly?
Tally as of post 1727:
Lynch votes
2 votes: Jabbz (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750602#post2053750602), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750639#post2053750639))
1 votes: Manasi (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750585#post2053750585))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750634#post2053750634))
Voting history:
Logic
Manasi
Jabbz
GeneralHankerchief
Jabbz
This is LYLO with less than 12 hours to go; there is not enough talking for my comfort. We've not heard from Champ, and Manasi has not added enough to the discussion to be considered noteworthy, nor has she placed a vote.
If Jabbz is indeed one of our two mafia, which I think is all but certain, that makes GH all but certain town.
So, for Jabbz partner, my biggest suspect is Manasi. I think he has been doing some distancing from her most of the game, but I am not confident of that and will have to reread.
If Jabbz is indeed one of our two mafia, which I think is all but certain, that makes GH all but certain town.
So, for Jabbz partner, my biggest suspect is Manasi. I think he has been doing some distancing from her most of the game, but I am not confident of that and will have to reread.
It seems unlikely that GH and Jabbz are partners, agreed. I haven't decided which of them I "side with" though.
Are you planning on joining me on Manasi?
i wont be here for the end of day
Jabbz
Manasi has to be scum though, right? Noone has refuted that AFAICT.
no lol it's logic/jabbz
Did the GM tell you that you had been healed, or just that you were no longer poisoned, or what happened, exactly?
said i was no longer poisoned etc
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2017, 19:31
i wont be here for the end of day
Jabbz
This vote isn't formatted correctly but I saw it and will count it.
Tally as of post 1734:
Lynch votes
3 votes: Jabbz (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750602#post2053750602), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750639#post2053750639), Champ)
1 votes: Manasi (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750585#post2053750585))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053750634#post2053750634))
Voting history:
Logic
Manasi
Jabbz
GeneralHankerchief
Jabbz
Jabbz
oh yea i forgot thats how yo udo it
Here's what my gut tells me about GH's big post 1725 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053750665&viewfull=1#post2053750665) where he votes Jabbz:
He seems more interested in lynching Jabbz than in finding the truth
Make a case that's big enough to justify voting Jabbz and staying there
Trump up the charges
Meanwhile, don't comment on Manasi
There's a few issues with Jabbz's big post just now, but as far as I'm concerned only one matters. He said he was casting his *final* vote against me.
If Jabbz was actually town and legitimately believed I was scum he wouldn't be using the term "final" because a correct lynch would extejd the game to another round. If he's mafia, though, it would indeed be a final vote - because the game would end with my lynch.
I'm pretty sure here that Jabbz lost perspective for a moment, and I'm basically treating him as outed scum now. He has to be the lynch for today.
Vote: Jabbz
This is the first trumped-up charge IMO and where he prematurely locks on to Jabbz.
It seems unlikely that GH and Jabbz are partners, agreed. I haven't decided which of them I "side with" though.
Are you planning on joining me on Manasi?
I am willing to switch to Manasi with a better case* see below, but I think Jabbz is more likely scum than Manasi. Jabbz can be partners with just about anyone, but I don't think the same can be said of Manasi.
Here's what my gut tells me about GH's big post 1725 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053750665&viewfull=1#post2053750665) where he votes Jabbz:
He seems more interested in lynching Jabbz than in finding the truth
Make a case that's big enough to justify voting Jabbz and staying there
Trump up the charges
Meanwhile, don't comment on Manasi
This is the first trumped-up charge IMO and where he prematurely locks on to Jabbz.
There's a few issues with Jabbz's big post just now, but as far as I'm concerned only one matters. He said he was casting his *final* vote against me.
If Jabbz was actually town and legitimately believed I was scum he wouldn't be using the term "final" because a correct lynch would extejd the game to another round. If he's mafia, though, it would indeed be a final vote - because the game would end with my lynch.
I'm pretty sure here that Jabbz lost perspective for a moment, and I'm basically treating him as outed scum now. He has to be the lynch for today.
Vote: Jabbz
So, novice: why are you voting for Manasi if you think GH is making trumped up charges against Jabbz? The likelihood of them both being town is rather slim, but instead it's very likely that one of them is a wolf. Yet instead, you are voting off on Manasi? Is this a slip?
I'm sticking with Jabbz. I think he is the best case today, and novice is back in scum-tention to me. More so than Manasi.
*As I was typing, I read the last statement by Novice
Because I'm waiting to see if either Jabbz or GH has anything to say about Manasi or shows any interest in voting her.
The likelihood of them both being town is rather slim, but instead it's very likely that one of them is a wolf.
In case this is not meant as you stating your opinion, but something you attribute to me, I've never said that. I just said that they are unlikely to be partners (as in scum partners).
And here's a thing I dislike about your style in this game Logic: You seem much more interested in turning a statement back on people as fuel for an attack than in actually engaging in dialogue. You keep saying you need to reread, but don't come up with any results. At best you summarize someone's post and then make a vote that lacks any clear connection to what you just summarized.
/vent
I am willing to switch to Manasi with a better case* see below, but I think Jabbz is more likely scum than Manasi. Jabbz can be partners with just about anyone, but I don't think the same can be said of Manasi.
So, novice: why are you voting for Manasi if you think GH is making trumped up charges against Jabbz? The likelihood of them both being town is rather slim, but instead it's very likely that one of them is a wolf. Yet instead, you are voting off on Manasi? Is this a slip?
I'm sticking with Jabbz. I think he is the best case today, and novice is back in scum-tention to me. More so than Manasi.
*As I was typing, I read the last statement by Novice
I mean, rereading this post, how do you even talk yourself out of voting Manasi during this post? You're not discussing Manasi. Everybody suspects everybody at this stage obviously, so try assessing cases based on their merits, for christ sake.
In case this is not meant as you stating your opinion, but something you attribute to me, I've never said that. I just said that they are unlikely to be partners (as in scum partners).
And here's a thing I dislike about your style in this game Logic: You seem much more interested in turning a statement back on people as fuel for an attack than in actually engaging in dialogue. You keep saying you need to reread, but don't come up with any results. At best you summarize someone's post and then make a vote that lacks any clear connection to what you just summarized.
/vent
Well, when you make a claim of a "trumped up charge" you are implying that as a scum sign. Or at the very least, that is how I take it. I have made multiple observations and asked questions, but some of those questions go unanswered. Now, I know I am guilty of neglecting to answer questions as well, but I am probing with what you call "attacks." I don't think what I am doing is any different that what is being done by the others (including you) at statements I have made.
As for the reread, I am giving more weight to recent statements, because of the severity if I am wrong. There are fewer people to concentrate on, and you are one of the few that is engaging. I do apologize for any feeling of attacks. That is most certainly not my intention, even if you are on the opposing team. I, like I suspect of everyone else, am probing, and reading to see signs of deception.
I do hope we can come to an understanding, and if I am irritating others with my style, I will endeavor to adjust my style of play.
I mean, rereading this post, how do you even talk yourself out of voting Manasi during this post? You're not discussing Manasi. Everybody suspects everybody at this stage obviously, so try assessing cases based on their merits, for christ sake.I wasn't talking about switching to Manasi based on my own case, but on a hypothetical better case against Manasi by some other player.. This case against Manasi would have to be better than the case that has been made against Jabbz. I decided that as I was writing that, I was initially thinking Manasi was the most likely partner for Jabbz, and then I saw your post, and I determined that I thought you were looking more scummy than Manasi. Am I not clear?
I do mean that trumping up charges is a scum sign, but I have to balance that against the rest of his game. So I am not sure that GH is a better lynch than Jabbz.
There is probably a ton of evidence going unnoticed in the thread by now, but noone seems to have much energy left for dredging that up. GH did come across as pretty energetic but used all his energy on telling us all to vote Jabbz. That's disappointing to me, especially because I've said repeatedly that I'm not very interested in lynching Jabbz, and GH has said repeatedly that he thinks I'm town.
Logic, you've been pretty engaged in the healer discussion earlier, why are you now not commenting on my reasoning around Manasi being scum? I would have thought that if anybody had an opinion on the matter it would be you.
I wasn't talking about switching to Manasi based on my own case, but on a hypothetical better case against Manasi by some other player.. This case against Manasi would have to be better than the case that has been made against Jabbz. I decided that as I was writing that, I was initially thinking Manasi was the most likely partner for Jabbz, and then I saw your post, and I determined that I thought you were looking more scummy than Manasi. Am I not clear?
OK, see above then. What is wrong with my case on Manasi, you're just saying it's not good enough? What's so good about the case on Jabbz? In your own words.
Actually I make the case in post 1703, and in 1705 you make a very similar argument, and in post 1709 you say that Jabbz/Manasi is your top pick for scum. So I guess you're looking for more evidence against Manasi?
I don't really have anything more, I just suspect Jabbz to a lesser degree than you, apparently.
I still think it's weird that you formulate your own case on Manasi but don't comment on my post directly above on the same subject.
I have to say these posts by GH are pretty on point.
Logic, that entire post of yours appears like you're just throwing shade at literally everybody left in the game and keeping your options open. I don't get your conclusion of a Jabbz vote from what you wrote either, especially not from your last line in your Jabbz assessment.
Who do you think is the scumteam? Why? Who do you have as clear, or at least, closest to it?
Here's another thing I don't like though Logic, when I made that statement you just took it for what it was. You didn't further question me on it, you didn't try to feel out where I was coming from on it, you didn't really try anything like that. Instead you just leaped directly for the "okay so this guy has a 1/3 chance of lynching me before other factors", almost like you already knew I was town and instead went straight for calculating your optimal lynch choice to get me to vote with you.
I don't have the energy to fight GH's wall of text as a whole, something I'm pretty sure he was counting on when he pulled it but whatever. I will say a few things.
The reason I keep pointing these mistakes by you out is because you keep making them. Little comments, here and there.
That's not why you voted for me. You said you voted for me because I didn't post enough. Because I liked a comment instead of responding. You can't even keep your story straight at the very end.
You then say I'm lying again. This time, it's very intentional. You're a jerk for that dude. You also don't prove a lie, you just make the argument that things aren't quite like i said they were. You use the lie however because it provides some additional pathos to your argument, which is otherwise weak.
You're scum dude. You're going after someone who hasn't posted much because I'm an easy target. I'm cool with that. I'm less cool with the repeated insults. Either way, enjoy your win as scum, you only had to be a total ahole to get it.
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