Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[Zack]

literally everyone in my village circle is voting SV lol

temptation to just sheep is high

please make a vote instead of disappearing for eod

[SeveringViper]

Literally no one is voting you for that.

Right, right.

As long as I get to waste scum's time mislynching me another day and people actually keep in mind what I have been able to offer, I trust town might just win.

[Zack]

I mostly agree with GH, except I am not quite as high on Manasi or novice or as low on Jabbz and Logic.

[Zack]

Right, right.

As long as I get to waste scum's time mislynching me another day and people actually keep in mind what I have been able to offer, I trust town might just win.

What does that even mean

[GeneralHankerchief]

I mostly agree with GH, except I am not quite as high on Manasi or novice or as low on Jabbz and Logic.

I'm reading through Logic now, but now that I'm focusing on him he's looking better.

[El Barto]

As of right now, the tally stands at


4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency; SeveringViper))
3 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo)
3 votes: Jabbz (El Barto; GeneralHankerchief; Champ)
1 votes: Logic
1 votes: Zack

Which dictates that I must vote: SeveringViper to tie it, provisionally, at 4-4.

[Manasi]

please make a vote instead of disappearing for eod

I knowwwwwwwwwwww bby.

SeveringViper

eep

[Manasi]

As of right now, the tally stands at


4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency; SeveringViper))
3 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo)
3 votes: Jabbz (El Barto; GeneralHankerchief; Champ)
1 votes: Logic
1 votes: Zack

Which dictates that I must vote: SeveringViper to tie it, provisionally, at 4-4.


I knowwwwwwwwwwww bby.

SeveringViper

eep

s p i c y

[SeveringViper]

What does that even mean

It means there are people here I trust to use their heads if I draw scum attention for one more day. ^^

[El Barto]

s p i c y
With extra cinnamon. Now I must read a half-hundred posts and see what can be gleaned and how such a ridiculous counterwaggon has been formed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

After reading Logic, I want to move him up a peg and Champ down one, but Champ jumped on the wagon of my top scumread awful quickly when there was an opening.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll count the vote in 1257.

[novice]

Tally as of post 1258:

Lynch votes
5 votes: SeveringViper (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749569#post2053749569), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749593#post2053749593), Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749597#post2053749597), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749628#post2053749628), Manasi)
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749541#post2053749541), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749550#post2053749550), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749586#post2053749586), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749616#post2053749616))
2 votes: Jabbz (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749618#post2053749618), Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749620#post2053749620))

Voting history:
Logic

Jabbz

SeveringViper

Zack

El Barto

El Barto

SeveringViper

El Barto

SeveringViper

SeveringViper

El Barto

Jabbz

Jabbz

SeveringViper

[Zack]

It means there are people here I trust to use their heads if I draw scum attention for one more day. ^^
Yes, my first instinct as scum is to go after someone who is extremely aggressive and was very high volume.

[SeveringViper]

Yes, my first instinct as scum is to go after someone who is extremely aggressive and was very high volume.

Idk about that, but it sure worked out for you if that's the case, so...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch votes
5 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo El Barto, Manasi
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency SeveringViper
2 votes: Jabbz (GH, Champ

Tally as of 1265

[Manasi]

I'll count the vote in 1257.

Thanks baby, appreciate it xoxo.

[Logic]

ISO: could someone help me define it? I'm afraid I don't get it.

[novice]

Tally as of post 1258:

Lynch votes
5 votes: SeveringViper (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749569#post2053749569), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749593#post2053749593), Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749597#post2053749597), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749628#post2053749628), Manasi)
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749541#post2053749541), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749550#post2053749550), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749586#post2053749586), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749616#post2053749616))
2 votes: Jabbz (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749618#post2053749618), Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749620#post2053749620))


Four of my townies or town leans are on El Barto...
I agree that Csargo needs a closer look, at least if Viper flips town. He's dropped below my radar.

[GeneralHankerchief]

ISO: could someone help me define it? I'm afraid I don't get it.

Isolate a player's posts. Rereading everything they have written in isolation.

[SeveringViper]

Yes, my first instinct as scum is to go after someone who is extremely aggressive and was very high volume.

Btw, I gave you multiple opportunities to reconsider your case and you just kept repeating it. idk if that's a scum move or not, but I don't regret wanting you gone.

[Zack]

ISO: could someone help me define it? I'm afraid I don't get it.

ISOlate one player's posts.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: SeveringViper

[Zack]

Btw, I gave you multiple opportunities to reconsider your case and you just kept repeating it. idk if that's a scum move or not, but I don't regret wanting you gone.

No you didn't. You threw a tantrum.

[novice]

ISO: could someone help me define it? I'm afraid I don't get it.

ISOlation mode, rereading just one player's posts.

[Montmorency]

Monty has tunneled all game, and at least in one case incorrectly so. I've read his posts during the period when I was absent but haven't done a specific reread on him due to lack of time (and it's not gonna happen today while I'm under the gun), but as exasperating as he's been and as bad as his arguments are (which is why he's so far down this list) my gut's telling me it's "incorrect Monty" instead of "malicious Monty". Incidentally, I think his recent posts where he's trying to take command and swing the lynch towards Barto are the best he's looked all game.

SeveringViper looked great on D1 but yeah, he's dropped off since as many people have mentioned. Pot, kettle, etc, but it's still there. In my experience, especially when there's been a chain of mislynches with no correct hits like we've had here to this point, it does become harder for mafia to post because the worlds they've so expertly crafted are less able to hold up with each successive mislynch. A point in Viper's favor was the counterclaim of Monty, which seemed like a town reaction, but the other column is getting more entries added to it, and I hated his snap vote of Zack. To me it felt like scum-frustration bubbling over.

Jabbz is still my top pick for scum. Aside from what I've already touched on with him, I don't like the fact that he took pains to point out the fact that his reasoning was consistent here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749316&viewfull=1#post2053749316). This is a very, very mafia-leaning thing to do. Mafia need to make sure that their reasoning is consistent because they know all of the cases they're formulating on people are fake, so that's their fallback plan. Consistent reasoning is far from a townie's mind. There's no reason for townies to be self-conscious about that sort of thing, all they're trying to do is lynch scum.

Where has there been an incorrect tunnel? I don't grasp the reference.

Terrible read on Jabbz. He's looking townier and townier lately.

[Montmorency]

And of course GH is saving El Barto, convenient.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Where has there been an incorrect tunnel? I don't grasp the reference.

Terrible read on Jabbz. He's looking townier and townier lately.

Incorrect tunnel is on me, and I vehemently disagree.

[SeveringViper]

No you didn't. You threw a tantrum.

See my :30 post.

[Zack]

I'm actually not sure why barto is a wagon here.

[Manasi]

I'm actually not sure why barto is a wagon here.

I feel like I think he's scummy just because I don't like how he talks. :(

[El Barto]

A few hasty reads before the curfew:

I think you feel that I'm under enough pressure that you can safely pursue me without having a real case, something town wouldn't do. I think that a Vote: El Barto is in order.
So, basically, oh your deity, I suck.

Third party: Seireikhaan

Deceased town:
Cuthillius - Poisoner
Raith Kemmler
Sooh - Roleblocker
BSmith
Autolycus

Hot takes:

Town, in no particular order:
Logic
Jabbz - Vanilla
Manasi

Leaning town:
Montmorency - Roleblocker
SeveringViper - Roleblocker
Champ

Leaning scum (more or less by PoE):
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto - Poisoner
Csargo
choxorn Zack

Did I miss any claims?

Vote: El Barto for now.
No justification whatsoever. (!)

I took the thunderbolt to signify Zack replacing Choxorn, no?
Check it against the use of Earthquake. Are you not versed in the game of Pocket Monsters?

El Barto good lynch, then Champ. Champ and Logic voting each other. Zack and Viper voting each other, seems like a dead end.

Jabbz lynch not happening.

I will be voting El Barto in ~1 hour barring intervention.
(!)

Avert Viper lynch. What is this, deja vu?
(!)

[SeveringViper]

Well, whatever. I didn't have enough interest in frustrating myself more to do more to stop this anyway.

[novice]

I'm actually not sure why barto is a wagon here.

Counterwagon to Viper. And the poison.
I also don't like how he never misses an opportunity to point out that Monty is tunneling.

[El Barto]

I feel like I think he's scummy just because I don't like how he talks. :(
That is a risk we cultured ones often run.

[El Barto]

Counterwagon to Viper. And the poison.
I also don't like how he never misses an opportunity to point out that Monty is tunneling.
And am I ever wrong?

[Zack]

Counterwagon to Viper. And the poison.
I also don't like how he never misses an opportunity to point out that Monty is tunneling.

he's a wagon because he's a wagon, right

[Askthepizzaguy]

Stop posting. It is night!

[SeveringViper]

Zack is scum or just worth vanishing here

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch votes
6 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo El Barto, Manasi, GH
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency SeveringViper
1 votes: Jabbz (Champ

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Day four

Nugget Bridge Battle







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Nugget Bridge




After a long and grueling journey through the caves at Mt. Moon, having exhausted all potions and antidotes, our plucky protagonist finally makes it to Cerulean City, and decides to try to catch an Abra.

After all, it evolves into one of the best pokemon in the game. A fast psychic-type with extraordinarily high special attack, capable of being taught many different kinds of moves, so it can do heavy damage to just about anything.





....







But the entrance to this bridge is guarded by a creature, so FOUL and so CRUEL, no man yet has fought with it and lived!!! Bones of full fifty pokemon lie strewn about the river, so brave adventurer if you do doubt your courage, or your strength, come nay further!

For DEATH awaits you all... with big, nasty, sharp, pointy hair.
















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Gary Oak:

"Hey, Dork! Still haven't given up, have ya? Well, I've gotten 8 badges already while you were bumbling around blindly in Mount Moon! I have the most elite Pokemon team in the world, and soon, I'm going to be the Kanto Champion! Before I make it to the big time, I figured I'd swing by here and put an end to your pathetic Pokemon training dream!




Charizard! I choose you!




Now.... HIT.... MY.... MUSIC!!!"





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Charizard







Trainer:

". . . . . ."






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Squirtle








Gary Oak:

"Charizard, use Dragon Claw!!!"







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A devastating slash!




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Trainer:

". . . . . ."











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Squirtle withdrew into its shell!

The attack had no effect!!!







Gary Oak:

"Charizard, use Fly!"







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Charizard flew way up high!





Trainer:

". . . . . ."





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It looks like the attack missed the target!






Gary Oak:

"Enough of this nonsense. Charizard, finish him!!!"



Trainer:

". . . . . ."






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Squirtle withdrew into its shell again!

It continues to do no damage!!










Gary Oak:

"FIRE BLAST!!!! FIRE BLAST!!!!"





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Woah!! Look out!!!







Trainer:

". . . . . . !!!"







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*Critical hit!*


......


A POKEMON HAS FAINTED!!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

SeveringViper fainted!

He was...

Squirtle, Level 25


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Townie
Unlimited Self-protect (Cannot be used on consecutive nights)
1x roleblock





But he was really....
Squirtle, Level 25, a Townie

Like I said.


Oooooooh.... that was your starter pokemon, too.

Yowch. That's gotta hurt!

Go team Gary! Go team Gary! Go team Gary!

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Team Gary. Original Gangstas.



Begin Night Four.

Do Not Post! It is Night!

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Night Four







After taking heavy losses on Nugget Bridge, the trainer captured some pokemon on route 24 and 25, and made their way to Pokemaniac Bill's house.

Bill is an expert on all things Pokemon. Not only did he invent the Pokemon PC storage system, which allows Pokemon to be stored electronically (A harrowing experience, I can assure you... what if there's a power outage?) but he is also super rich and is constantly experimenting with new kinds of technology, and new forms of travel.

Having traveled the world on the S.S. Anne, he decided to set his powerful mind to work on human and pokemon teleportation. That way, trainers and pokemon from all around the world would be able to meet up and battle much more conveniently, and then it would be a lot simpler to decide who was rightfully the Pokemon World Champion.

So the trainer arrived just in time to see Pokemaniac Bill try out his new invention for the first time, and he stepped into the teleporter with his favorite Beedrill.

What happened next was truly amazing and would revolutionize the way human beings not only thought about instantaneous travel, but I daresay, would also give the whole of humanity a unique and profound perspective on the bond between man and pokemon.







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Pokemaniac Bill:
"Kill.... me.... Kill..... me....."





So anyway.... yadda yadda yadda, Trainer helped out poor old bill by reversing the process, separating him from his pokemon and making sure everything was back to normal. Let's get on with the story.




Pokemaniac Bill:

"Wow, kid, that's some nice pokemon you have there. I hope you have been taking good care of them, and haven't been just letting them be torn to shreds in battle after battle, then leaving them behind to rot on the side of the road. Anyway, if you love to travel as much as I do, then please take this S.S. Ticket."



Trainer's eye began to twitch.



Pokemaniac Bill:

"Please take this S.S. Ticket."



*twitch*



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Pokemaniac Bill:

"Please take this S.S. Ticket."



*twitch*


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Pokemaniac Bill:

"Please take this S.S. Ticket."



*twitch*



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Pokemaniac Bill:

"Please take this S.S. Ticket."



*twitch*



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Pokemaniac Bill:

"Please take this S.S. Ticket."




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Pokemaniac Bill:

"Please take this S.S. Ticket."





*twitch*



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILxzK0xrad8






Pokemaniac Bill:

"Please take this S.S. Ticket."



*twitch*



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*twitch*





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJTZdA7t3U



Pokemaniac Bill:

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*twitch*



http://orig02.deviantart.net/bdef/f/2014/064/e/9/twitch_plays_pokemon_all_glory_to_the_helix_fossil_by_juli4427-d7930wg.gif

All glory to Lord Helix




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*twitch*





A pokemon has....

[Askthepizzaguy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_SwW3JfbTU


No one fainted.


Begin Day Five.

You may post.

[Montmorency]

I was playing in the beginning, the mood all changed.
I've been chewed up and spit out and booed off stage.

Now I must face up to the truth I've known deep inside me all along: only I have the power to guide Town to salvation.

I'm not going to tell you that Viper was lock town, but he was clearly an awful choice for lynch that day. And so Barto got saved and one of our last great PRs was sacrificed in his stead. That Viper wagon was crawling with scum definite, likely all of them, so it's time to quit playing around. We have no other choice but to lynch GH or Barto today, and don't heed anyone who tells you otherwise.

Champ, I'm willing to let slide in all this commotion, but if I have wondered about Zack potential coasting, then Csargo has reprised the trend tenfold. I tolerate no more.

All of pure heart, arise and be distinguished.

Townie Squad assemble!

[Montmorency]

novice Jabbz

[Zack]

Vote: Csargo

[Zack]

I'm not going to tell you that Viper was lock town, but he was clearly an awful choice for lynch that day.
1. Play super aggressively early. Drastic drop off in solving and activity, tone shifts to apologetic and woe is me for previous mislynches. Instead of trying to get back into it and solve, be a spiteful ass and do nothing but tunnel/omgus Zack for no good reason.
2. Counterclaim some random 1x block claim when you're a powerful PR. Eventually use the 1x block part of your role on someone you call a strong town read. Never claim your role when you are under lynch pressure.

Personally, not how I would expect a villager to ever play that role.

[Zack]

Champ, I'm willing to let slide in all this commotion, but if I have wondered about Zack potential coasting, then Csargo has reprised the trend tenfold. I tolerate no more.
Accusing me of coasting hasn't made sense at any point.

And do you realize how that Autolycus wagon looks if Csargo flips scum?

[Montmorency]

1. Play super aggressively early. Drastic drop off in solving and activity, tone shifts to apologetic and woe is me for previous mislynches. Instead of trying to get back into it and solve, be a spiteful ass and do nothing but tunnel/omgus Zack for no good reason.
2. Counterclaim some random 1x block claim when you're a powerful PR. Eventually use the 1x block part of your role on someone you call a strong town read. Never claim your role when you are under lynch pressure.

Personally, not how I would expect a villager to ever play that role.

Novice took a good approach to the question.


Regarding Zack, the case on Monty yesterday and on Viper today is the kind of case I like to pursue myself, and you can really get going picking apart the responses of the accused. I've mislynched many people with cases like this though. Some people just aren't good at defending even when town, or are too stubborn, or fail to see problems with their own play. I guess what I'm saying is that if Monty and Viper are town, which I find very possible, we're really making things easy for scum!Zack, and I'm a bit concerned that he just keeps pushing instead of seeing things from all sides.


Accusing me of coasting hasn't made sense at any point.

And do you realize how that Autolycus wagon looks if Csargo flips scum?

You after half-time yesterday: I have an active fella hostile to me set up to swing? Well, my work here is done.

It's certainly concerning to me how you back off me when you see that I'm not a threat.

How about you let me lynch scum? We have today, and tomorrow is LYLO at 5T-3M (assuming 1 nightkill).

E.g. my top team is GH-Barto-Csargo, Champ wildcard. Manasi and Logic are null, but at some point have to be factored into the combinations. I can't subscribe to lynching Csargo just because that's the only place we overlap.


ANNOUNCING ANY BLOCKS OR OTHER KILL-STOPPING ACTIONS LAST NIGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THE LYNCH

[Zack]

No one fainted.
I didn't read anything else before making my vote.


Vote: Csargo

[Zack]

Novice took a good approach to the question.
If I'm town, why should I back down if someone is doing a poor job responding to me? That's not a good approach, it's an approach which contorts the evidence to match the accusation.


You after half-time yesterday: I have an active fella hostile to me set up to swing? Well, my work here is done.

It's certainly concerning to me how you back off me when you see that I'm not a threat.
Then stop being a narcissist. Unlike you apparently, I don't restrict myself to pushing the exact same thing the entire game.


How about you let me lynch scum? We have today, and tomorrow is LYLO at 5T-3M (assuming 1 nightkill).

E.g. my top team is GH-Barto-Csargo, Champ wildcard. Manasi and Logic are null, but at some point have to be factored into the combinations. I can't subscribe to lynching Csargo just because that's the only place we overlap.

You didn't answer my question.

[Montmorency]

Day 1
6 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747732#post2053747732), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748091#post2053748091), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748099#post2053748099), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748240#post2053748240), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748261#post2053748261), Raith Kemmler (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748268#post2053748268))
4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747798#post2053747798), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748093#post2053748093), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748128#post2053748128), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748264#post2053748264))
3 votes: choxorn (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748251#post2053748251), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748259#post2053748259), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748263#post2053748263))
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747721#post2053747721), Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748143#post2053748143))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748200#post2053748200))
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748037#post2053748037))

Day 2
5 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748363#post2053748363), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748626#post2053748626), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748677#post2053748677), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748694#post2053748694), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748720#post2053748720))
4 votes: choxorn (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748417#post2053748417), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748435#post2053748435), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748703#post2053748703), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748709#post2053748709))
1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748370#post2053748370))
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748643#post2053748643))


Day 3
3 votes: Autolycus (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749249#post2053749249), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749268#post2053749268), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749288#post2053749288))
3 votes: Montmorency (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748984#post2053748984), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749106#post2053749106), Jabbz (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749266#post2053749266))
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749036#post2053749036), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749058#post2053749058))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748916#post2053748916))
1 votes: Champ (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748912#post2053748912))
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749060#post2053749060))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749131#post2053749131))

Day 4


Lynch votes
6 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo El Barto, Manasi, GH
4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency SeveringViper
1 votes: Jabbz (Champ

[Montmorency]

I didn't read anything else before making my vote.

What else was there of importance to read? Are you referring to other players'/Csargo's posts on D3?


If I'm town, why should I back down if someone is doing a poor job responding to me? That's not a good approach, it's an approach which contorts the evidence to match the accusation.

Not voting to lynch isn't the same as backing down, since the gratuitousness of his act was townie enough to hold off.


You didn't answer my question.

Csargo flipping scum? He's my partner, then? Who's the #3? I'd worry more about GH flipping town, since although Csargo and Barto were voting Choxorn to the end D2, GH's change was what saved him/you.

[Zack]

What else was there of importance to read? Are you referring to other players'/Csargo's posts on D3?
The art of subtlety is lost on some, I suppose. Not that I was even being remotely subtle.


Not voting to lynch isn't the same as backing down, since the gratuitousness of his act was townie enough to hold off.
What?


Csargo flipping scum? He's my partner, then? Who's the #3? I'd worry more about GH flipping town, since although Csargo and Barto were voting Choxorn to the end D2, GH's change was what saved him/you.
If he's not your partner, then why so insistent to lynch auto over you? I don't care about the #3, that's a question wolves ask to defend themselves. I don't have to construct an entire team to call someone a wolf.

I'm not calling GH a wolf, and never have really, so if you're trying to call me a hypocrite (?) then it doesn't fit.

[Zack]

The art of subtlety is lost on some, I suppose. Not that I was even being remotely subtle.


What?


If he's not your partner (but still a wolf), then why so insistent to lynch auto over you? I don't care about the #3, that's a question wolves ask to defend themselves. I don't have to construct an entire team to call someone a wolf.

I'm not calling GH a wolf, and never have really, so if you're trying to call me a hypocrite (?) then it doesn't fit.

emphasis mine

[Jabbz]

All reads subject to change after iso reads in the upcoming day, but this is where I view things currently.

Lock Town
Logic

Likely Town
Manasi

Unsure in no particular order
Novice
Csargo
Zack choxorn

Possible Scum
Champ
Montmorency

Scum, El Barto more sure than GHC
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto

[Montmorency]

The art of subtlety is lost on some, I suppose. Not that I was even being remotely subtle.

You could have explained yourself in the same number of words. Take this opportunity to do so.


What?

You implied that not lynching Viper would have been equivalent to backing off him. That's wrong, and it's a dodge.


If he's not your partner, then why so insistent to lynch auto over you? I don't care about the #3, that's a question wolves ask to defend themselves. I don't have to construct an entire team to call someone a wolf.

That's a possibility, but the way you constructed the question is bad and you should recognize that. The two items need not be related. Viper was equally insistent, and he was town. Town players have ideas on who should be lynched, and prefer some lynches over others.


I'm not calling GH a wolf, and never have really, so if you're trying to call me a hypocrite (?) then it doesn't fit.

It's not about what you said, but of what GH did. All my top suspects voted you, but GH went off you and that's the only reason you are here. So if GH flips town, you look better, while if he flips scum, you look worse. This is a parallelism to your Csargo connection.

[Montmorency]

emphasis mine

Csargo's alternative (other than having settled a vote earlier in the day) would have been to lurk and not vote - not permitted - or place a vote on me. If both auto and myself are town, then he has to vote someone anyway.

[Zack]

You could have explained yourself in the same number of words. Take this opportunity to do so.
~:smoking:


You implied that not lynching Viper would have been equivalent to backing off him. That's wrong, and it's a dodge.
I'm not sure what backing off even means in that case.

[Montmorency]

~:smoking:

You don't want to explain what you said.


I'm not sure what backing off even means in that case.

You are not sure what you meant when you said it.

[Zack]

You are not sure what you meant when you said it.

I know exactly what I meant. I'm not sure what you mean.

[Montmorency]

I know exactly what I meant. I'm not sure what you mean.

You didn't like what Viper was doing, so you 'went after' him. This culminated in you voting to lynch him. You didn't want to back down. But if you had held off on lynching him and instead tried again the next day, that wouldn't have been backing off. Dropping the case completely would have been backing off.

It was a bad case to lynch on D4, and recognizing that wouldn't have meant you had to back down.

Now please explain what you said here.


I didn't read anything else before making my vote.

[Zack]

You didn't like what Viper was doing, so you 'went after' him. This culminated in you voting to lynch him. You didn't want to back down. But if you had held off on lynching him and instead tried again the next day, that wouldn't have been backing off. Dropping the case completely would have been backing off.

It was a bad case to lynch on D4, and recognizing that wouldn't have meant you had to back down.
I am done responding to your non sequiturs. If you want to discuss something sensibly, let me know.

[Montmorency]

I am done responding to your non sequiturs. If you want to discuss something sensibly, let me know.

I imagine you can explain one thing in a sentence. It's what you would have wanted from Viper. If you don't, I'll just have to dog you about it all day. Your choice. :shrug:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Csargo

Gut call.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I've done some thinking overnight and this is about where I'm at:

novice
Manasi
Zack

El Barto
Logic

Champ
Montmorency

Jabbz
Csargo

~~~~~~~~~~

Zack's basically posted himself out of any suspicion I might have of him, with today's behavior so far being the capper. He's done a great job at clearing his slot and all in all I'm pretty happy with my decision to save Choxorn on EOD2.

After taking a look at Logic at EOD yesterday, I'm moving him up a slot into the lean town category. No smoking gun that clears him, but just decent overall posts and progressions/thoughts that I have a hard time seeing come from mafia.

Champ is a tough one mostly because while his overall output hasn't been good, he was super quick to jump on the wagon of my biggest scumread at the time when I was making a serious push for Jabbz to be lynched at EOD yesterday. Somewhat doubt the two of them are partners together, which is another reason why I'd like a Jabbz flip sooner rather than later - so I can provisionally clear Champ.

Csargo made his play for Viper and succeeded but overall I think it's a case of "won the battle, lost the war" for him. Scum have fewer places to hide now and something tells me that he'll flip red.

Jabbz, if any part of my attack against you came off as an implication that you were lying about your RL commitments, then I apologize as that was not my intention. I like to think I don't resort to those tactics when hunting mafia and if it even comes close to crossing the line then that's on me. Overall though I still think you're mafia, largely due to overall output of posts and specifically what I highlighted in my last reads list - in general I think you're being far too careful and measured in your posting and I think you made a slip yesterday. But Csargo can die first.

[Montmorency]

I've done some thinking overnight and this is about where I'm at:

novice
Manasi
Zack

El Barto
Logic

Champ
Montmorency

Jabbz
Csargo

~~~~~~~~~~

Zack's basically posted himself out of any suspicion I might have of him, with today's behavior so far being the capper. He's done a great job at clearing his slot and all in all I'm pretty happy with my decision to save Choxorn on EOD2.

After taking a look at Logic at EOD yesterday, I'm moving him up a slot into the lean town category. No smoking gun that clears him, but just decent overall posts and progressions/thoughts that I have a hard time seeing come from mafia.

Champ is a tough one mostly because while his overall output hasn't been good, he was super quick to jump on the wagon of my biggest scumread at the time when I was making a serious push for Jabbz to be lynched at EOD yesterday. Somewhat doubt the two of them are partners together, which is another reason why I'd like a Jabbz flip sooner rather than later - so I can provisionally clear Champ.

Csargo made his play for Viper and succeeded but overall I think it's a case of "won the battle, lost the war" for him. Scum have fewer places to hide now and something tells me that he'll flip red.

Jabbz, if any part of my attack against you came off as an implication that you were lying about your RL commitments, then I apologize as that was not my intention. I like to think I don't resort to those tactics when hunting mafia and if it even comes close to crossing the line then that's on me. Overall though I still think you're mafia, largely due to overall output of posts and specifically what I highlighted in my last reads list - in general I think you're being far too careful and measured in your posting and I think you made a slip yesterday. But Csargo can die first.

Well then.

My present orientation is to lynch GH first at all costs.

Any comments on the night, GH? Didja try to kill novice?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm a townie, Monty. Are you?

[Montmorency]

I'm a townie, Monty. Are you?

Couldn't be more so.

[Csargo]

Vote: Csargo

I roleblocked Zack last night.

Vote:Zack

[Zack]

I roleblocked Zack last night.

Vote:Zack

Was wondering if you would go thunderdome​ or lolcat, glad you chose the former!

[Montmorency]

Sounds good enough for me. Csargo dies if Zack flips town anyway.

Interesting finding about Zack: sometimes, he believes that "flagrant bad townie" behavior is more likely to be town than scum. It's not clear what overrode this thought in the Viper lynch.

Also Zack, would you mind explaining what it was that you weren't reading when you voted Csargo after day began?


I didn't read anything else before making my vote.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also Zack, would you mind explaining what it was that you weren't reading when you voted Csargo after day began?

It seems pretty obvious?

You really believe Csargo?

[Montmorency]

Why shouldn't I?

Or, what downside is there to believing him?

[Montmorency]

It seems pretty obvious?

Please explain for him, then. I don't understand what he was saying, and my only interpretation would make his statement pointless. Please give me a second opinion.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Please explain for him, then. I don't understand what he was saying, and my only interpretation would make his statement pointless. Please give me a second opinion.

I'm not sure what to make of this, but on the chance that you're being honest here, it's not my opinion to give.

[Zack]

It's halftime now, so I could formally bury Csargo.

Or I can watch Monty squirm uncomfortably. I'm kind of puzzled how Monty can really be this confused... Csargo and GH immediately recognized what I was saying. :huh:

Plenty of time anyways.

:sombrero:

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's halftime now, so I could formally bury Csargo.

Or I can watch Monty squirm uncomfortably. I'm kind of puzzled how Monty can really be this confused... Csargo and GH immediately recognized what I was saying. :huh:

Plenty of time anyways.

:sombrero:

I was really hoping you'd have better insight into Monty than me too.

[Montmorency]

It's halftime now, so I could formally bury Csargo.

Or I can watch Monty squirm uncomfortably. I'm kind of puzzled how Monty can really be this confused... Csargo and GH immediately recognized what I was saying. :huh:

Plenty of time anyways.

:sombrero:

On what basis do you say Csargo understood the post? Csargo's only said that he blocked you so far today.

Just tell me what you were saying. If all you were saying is that you read Pizza's night report and did not ISO Csargo or anyone else to make that vote, then that is pretty much a meaningless comment that you never had to make. I don't believe you make many meaningless comments.

[Zack]

https://i.imgur.com/t0RTwCT.png

https://i.imgur.com/BTBdg4q.png

https://i.imgur.com/aYl0aLk.png

https://i.imgur.com/PQzJeJ8.png

https://i.imgur.com/QdqH1l1.png

https://i.imgur.com/kXYOQ2D.gif

[Montmorency]

;confused:

[Zack]

ANNOUNCING ANY BLOCKS OR OTHER KILL-STOPPING ACTIONS LAST NIGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THE LYNCH
"Hmm... I said this in big capital letters, then Zack immediately responded with something seemingly cryptic. Then GH latched onto it in sort of an odd way. What could it possibly mean?"

[Montmorency]

"Hmm... I said this in big capital letters, then Zack immediately responded with something seemingly cryptic. Then GH latched onto it in sort of an odd way. What could it possibly mean?"

Still not following you.

Anyway, interesting that Barto didn't claim this post early D1 to be breadcrumbing:


Look, you don't need to be as poisonous as an Arbok.

[Zack]

Still not following you.

Anyway, interesting that Barto didn't claim this post early D1 to be breadcrumbing:

Okay, you have to be pulling my leg now lol.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think Monty has more self-respect than to use this tactic here if he's a partner?

Note: read subject to change without warning

[Montmorency]

Okay, you have to be pulling my leg now lol.

Montmorency: Zack, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Zack: *continues speaking in innuendo*

[Montmorency]

I think Monty has more self-respect than to use this tactic here if he's a partner?

Note: read subject to change without warning

Was Zack implying that? It sounded like he was saying he, you, and I are all partners.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Monty, who's your team right now?

[Zack]

Montmorency: Zack, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Zack: *continues speaking in innuendo*

Are you serious? You posted in big, capital letters for people to claim blocks. I took a second away from our back and forth to make a separate post immediately after your request, in which i quoted the lack of nightkill and how i immediately voted csargo. Your claim to be completely and utterly 100% clueless as to what i might have meant stretches believability.

[Montmorency]

Monty, who's your team right now?

You, Zack, Barto.

Here's what the likely scenarios are:

1. Csargo is town and truthful.
2. Csargo is scum and lying.
3. Csargo is town and truthful but non-AI for Zack because Mafia decided not to target anyone for kill tonight.


Are you serious? You posted in big, capital letters for people to claim blocks. I took a second away from our back and forth to make a separate post immediately after your request, in which i quoted the lack of nightkill and how i immediately voted csargo. Your claim to be completely and utterly 100% clueless as to what i might have meant stretches believability.

So...you're claiming to have blocked Csargo? If I tell you I don't understand what x means, and I ask you what x means, just save us the bloody trouble and tell me what x means.

[Zack]

I wanted to see your reaction and how others reacted. My goal is not too funnel information to you but to form reads.

[Montmorency]

I wanted to see your reaction and how others reacted. My goal is not too funnel information to you but to form reads.

So you say something and want to see how I react, but at the same time don't feel as though the things you say need to convey any information to me?

Either the information is there and you aren't telling me anything you didn't also tell the whole thread, or there is no information and it's just trolling.

[Montmorency]

Csargo and Barto, stop lurking.

[El Barto]

I am glad to see that Askthepizzaguy appears to have engaged the services of Andrew Hussy for the artwork in this beautiful game.

I roleblocked Zack last night.

Vote:Zack
Very well, as per post #1340, vote: Csargo.

Anyway, interesting that Barto didn't claim this post early D1 to be breadcrumbing:

Look, you don't need to be as poisonous as an Arbok.
It is simply because I was not. I would never give hints as to my ability before using it.

[Csargo]

I wanted to see your reaction and how others reacted. My goal is not too funnel information to you but to form reads.

:rolleyes:

[El Barto]

Monty, who's your team right now?You, Zack, Barto.
Oh, the hilarities of crossposting.

Csargo and Barto, stop lurking.
See right above, my good friend. I only just came online for a wee spot of playing, with Franconicus' game being top of my list.

[Zack]

So you say something and want to see how I react, but at the same time don't feel as though the things you say need to convey any information to me?

Either the information is there and you aren't telling me anything you didn't also tell the whole thread, or there is no information and it's just trolling.

I mean, i thought i was giving you the very information you had literally just asked for. Your apparent confusion was a surprise to me and i wanted to let things develop to try and illuminate what it meant wrt your alignment. There's plenty of time for me to explicitly make everything clear and i thought it might shed some light on player's alignments. Later i will explain why csargo's response means he is pretty much always a wolf.

[Montmorency]

I mean, i thought i was giving you the very information you had literally just asked for. Your apparent confusion was a surprise to me and i wanted to let things develop to try and illuminate what it meant wrt your alignment. There's plenty of time for me to explicitly make everything clear and i thought it might shed some light on player's alignments. Later i will explain why csargo's response means he is pretty much always a wolf.

Well, for the future, when I say I don't understand, please take that seriously. I'll hold off on voting until such time as you present the analysis. Just don't leave it for EOD.

[GeneralHankerchief]

For due diligence purposes, Zack's handled the day a lot better than Csargo has so far.

[Zack]

Well, for the future, when I say I don't understand, please take that seriously. I'll hold off on voting until such time as you present the analysis. Just don't leave it for EOD.

Like i just said, my main priority is not satisfying montmorency, but figuring out the game.

[El Barto]

All right, Monsieur d'Montmorency, what is it that you do not understand about Zack's actions today?

[Montmorency]

Like i just said, my main priority is not satisfying montmorency, but figuring out the game.

Last comment on this strand: If you post something that is meant to be obvious to the whole thread, but I say it's not obvious to me, then you can't reveal anything extra by clarifying to me personally what you meant. That's just basic communication and courtesy.

[El Barto]

I reiterate the question in #1352 and call on both of you to remain civil. We are not Democrats.

[Zack]

Last comment on this strand: If you post something that is meant to be obvious to the whole thread, but I say it's not obvious to me, then you can't reveal anything extra by clarifying to me personally what you meant. That's just basic communication and courtesy.
You are not listening to what I am saying. This is not some personal insult on your honor. Your reaction surprised me and I wanted to see it develop so I could try and figure out how it factored into your alignment. I also wanted Csargo and others to respond before I fully clarified anything. Theoretically any wolf that looked at their wolf chat before reading the thread would immediately pick up that I was hinting at being the one who blocked Csargo (and judging by his reaction, he did know he was blocked) -- under this theory, you and Jabbz look townier because you didn't realize what I was talking about and Jabbz didn't care. I thought you were partnered with Csargo, but your confusion gave me pause and I wanted to see how you went further with that, especially after GH and Csargo responded. For all I know, it could have been an act dude. Putting on a performance is definitely something that's in your scum wheelhouse.

Do you see how this is consistent with my claim that my goal here is to not provide Montmorency with the clearest possible picture of the gamestate, but for Zack to figure out other people's alignments? I'm not being rude to you, as you seem to think, I'm playing a game in which poking for reactions and the like is extremely common.

And if your response is to say that, well I'm an asshole and should have just answered your question. Well you've ignored and refused to answer some of my own questions as you saw fit. Everyone has their own agenda.

[Manasi]

HI I just drove 5 hours and I'm now in dirty Jersey.

Ew.

Mobile posting until Monday.

Ew.

Zack tell me what to do babe

[Montmorency]

You are not listening to what I am saying. This is not some personal insult on your honor. Your reaction surprised me and I wanted to see it develop so I could try and figure out how it factored into your alignment. I also wanted Csargo and others to respond before I fully clarified anything. Theoretically any wolf that looked at their wolf chat before reading the thread would immediately pick up that I was hinting at being the one who blocked Csargo (and judging by his reaction, he did know he was blocked) -- under this theory, you and Jabbz look townier because you didn't realize what I was talking about and Jabbz didn't care. I thought you were partnered with Csargo, but your confusion gave me pause and I wanted to see how you went further with that, especially after GH and Csargo responded. For all I know, it could have been an act dude. Putting on a performance is definitely something that's in your scum wheelhouse.

Do you see how this is consistent with my claim that my goal here is to not provide Montmorency with the clearest possible picture of the gamestate, but for Zack to figure out other people's alignments? I'm not being rude to you, as you seem to think, I'm playing a game in which poking for reactions and the like is extremely common.

And if your response is to say that, well I'm an asshole and should have just answered your question. Well you've ignored and refused to answer some of my own questions as you saw fit. Everyone has their own agenda.

OK. But I do believe I made an effort to answer all your direct questions on reasoning and analysis, except one that would have involved a lot of work at EOD.

It was just annoying that you seemed to expect me to understand something (which GH apparently got), but I couldn't figure out what it was and you seemed unwilling to just reword what you had openly said. Reaction tests are one thing, that was straight mindgames.

I'm ready to move on.

[Manasi]

That's a lot of words that make me wanna lynch Monty.

[Csargo]

https://i.imgur.com/t0RTwCT.png

https://i.imgur.com/BTBdg4q.png

https://i.imgur.com/aYl0aLk.png

https://i.imgur.com/PQzJeJ8.png

https://i.imgur.com/QdqH1l1.png

https://i.imgur.com/kXYOQ2D.gif

That's one sweet gif tbh.

[Csargo]

http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/images/2016/07/fireworks.gif

Just for you, Csargo

Still the best post itt.

[Montmorency]

That's one sweet gif tbh.

At this rate I will absolutely lynch you. Do something good for town. You just got pre-counterclaimed.

[Montmorency]

You just got pre-counterclaimed.

[Zack]

That's one sweet gif tbh.


Still the best post itt.

Approaching lolcat territory.

[El Barto]

Approaching lolcat territory.
He essentially kills off discussion this way, and allows his partner(s?) to hide in the general tsunami of votes against him.

I remember that on Day One, or possibly Day Two, he made a fluffy post about how he liked my posting style. I do love playing in character, Lemon, but this is something one does remember, and it is well.

[Csargo]

Approaching lolcat territory.

There's not much to say really. I've said what I need to say.

[Zack]

There's not much to say really. I've said what I need to say.

Claim your full role, that couldn't hurt.

[Csargo]

I just want to be your friend zack pls.

[El Barto]

I believe, Csargo, that this is the appropriate response to your inanities:

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/02/29/1226284/800415-lolcat-army.gif

[El Barto]

At this rate I will absolutely lynch you. Do something good for town. You just got pre-counterclaimed.
Come on, Monsieur de Montmorency. I urge you to join our axis of evil, as you have described it.

[Csargo]

https://i.imgur.com/4SyOa.gif

[Jabbz]

More than a little disappointed that no one made a single observation regarding my reads list. I feel a bit extraneous at this moment.

[Jabbz]

Jabbz, if any part of my attack against you came off as an implication that you were lying about your RL commitments, then I apologize as that was not my intention. I like to think I don't resort to those tactics when hunting mafia and if it even comes close to crossing the line then that's on me. Overall though I still think you're mafia, largely due to overall output of posts and specifically what I highlighted in my last reads list - in general I think you're being far too careful and measured in your posting and I think you made a slip yesterday. But Csargo can die first.

If that wasn't you're intent then we're all good. I stand by my argument, there is a difference in the amount of time necessary to follow compared to posting. As to being careful with my posts, ensuring I use factual information with my arguments is kind of important when you're town. That you see being measured and careful as a bad thing strikes me as odd. Either way, I'm fairly convinced you're scum, so I'm not likely to change your mind anyway :P

[novice]

Very busy friday and weekend ahead, pity I wasn't night-killed. I blame Zack. Or Csargo.


in general I think you're being far too careful and measured in your posting and I think you made a slip yesterday. But Csargo can die first.

Remind me, what was Jabbz' slip?


You just got pre-counterclaimed.
Hehe. I think you were the only one who didn't understand Zack's claim immediately, not saying that's alignment indicative though.

Vote: Csargo

BBL

[GeneralHankerchief]

If that wasn't you're intent then we're all good. I stand by my argument, there is a difference in the amount of time necessary to follow compared to posting. As to being careful with my posts, ensuring I use factual information with my arguments is kind of important when you're town. That you see being measured and careful as a bad thing strikes me as odd. Either way, I'm fairly convinced you're scum, so I'm not likely to change your mind anyway :P

Thoughts on Zack/Csargo/Monty?

[Logic]

Approaching lolcat territory.
Relevant to the next statement; see below.

He essentially kills off discussion this way, and allows his partner(s?) to hide in the general tsunami of votes against him.

I remember that on Day One, or possibly Day Two, he made a fluffy post about how he liked my posting style. I do love playing in character, Lemon, but this is something one does remember, and it is well.
Emphasis mine. Either your memory is faulty, or you are deliberately lying. Zack was not around on day 1 and 2. He subbed in for Choxorn the morning of Day 3.

El Barto moves up a peg on my scum ladder.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm pretty sure Barto was talking about Csargo, Logic.

[Logic]

I'm pretty sure Barto was talking about Csargo, Logic.

If that is indeed the case, I will retract my admonishment of El Barto. But I cannot find the statement made by Csargo that El Barto is referencing.

[Montmorency]

I mean, it's the same story, but vice-versa: if Csargo flips town, Zack has to die.

Vote: Csargo


Hehe. I think you were the only one who didn't understand Zack's claim immediately, not saying that's alignment indicative though.

Vote: Csargo

BBL

And how could GH even have a gut vote on Csargo if he was voting on the basis of a perceived claim by Zack - unless he wasn't voting on the basis of a perceived claim and he didn't actually understand what Zack was saying in the first place!

[Montmorency]

And why would Csargo claim to have blocked Zack with no further comment if he understood Zack as having claimed to have blocked him?

I really hope you aren't all bussing scum who got together for the sole purpose of confusing me into voting how you want. That would be evil.

[GeneralHankerchief]

And how could GH even have a gut vote on Csargo if he was voting on the basis of a perceived claim by Zack - unless he wasn't voting on the basis of a perceived claim and he didn't actually understand what Zack was saying in the first place!

I've read this sentence over three times but still can't understand it - can you rephrase?

[Montmorency]

I've read this sentence over three times but still can't understand it - can you rephrase?

Empathy?

You said, 'I vote Csargo, gut feel'. Then you indicated that you knew what Zack was saying when I asked for a second opinion, but that it wasn't your place to tell me.

So, you knew that Zack was claiming to have blocked Csargo. Did you realize that before you made your vote? Because if you know that someone is claiming a block on X, and you vote X on a "gut feel", then that implies you either disregard the claim in your motivation, or you didn't understand the claim at the time you placed your vote.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Empathy?

You said, 'I vote Csargo, gut feel'. Then you indicated that you knew what Zack was saying when I asked for a second opinion, but that it wasn't your place to tell me.

So, you knew that Zack was claiming to have blocked Csargo. Did you realize that before you made your vote? Because if you know that someone is claiming a block on X, and you vote X on a "gut feel", then that implies you either disregard the claim in your motivation, or you didn't understand the claim at the time you placed your vote.

What Zack was doing was pretty clear to me right away. I didn't want to come out and say it because that would be bad on a number of levels. At the same time, I knew the way I worded my posts would be something Zack picked up on and that he'd understand that I understood.

[Montmorency]

What Zack was doing was pretty clear to me right away. I didn't want to come out and say it because that would be bad on a number of levels. At the same time, I knew the way I worded my posts would be something Zack picked up on and that he'd understand that I understood.

But what about "gut feeling"?

[Logic]

I now get what Zack was saying. Considering I've had him as a likely town since day 4. I'll not give Zack a smoking gun, but I think claiming first helps here.

Vote: Csargo

The only possible alternative to Csargo is Zack. One of them is lying, and I'm hedging my bet that Zack is town, while Csargo is not. Monty can continue to tunnel GH all he wants, but we have cornered at least one wolf today.

[Logic]

And now I see Monty voted Csargo, and has stopped pressuring GH for the moment. He's also saying exactly what I just said. Fucking great.

Am I all that heavy on your shoulder, Monty?

[Logic]

And yes, I now realize I am a hypocrite for using profanity after having voiced my displeasure of it in #162 (I had to look it up.) And jumping straight to the F-Bomb, as well.

Does "Bollocks" count as profanity around here? I can't be the only American to have adopted it.

[Montmorency]

I now get what Zack was saying.

So you didn't get it as soon as you read his post?


And now I see Monty voted Csargo, and has stopped pressuring GH for the moment. He's also saying exactly what I just said. Fucking great.

Am I all that heavy on your shoulder, Monty?

I think the day was pretty much decided before you or anyone else showed up.

[GeneralHankerchief]

But what about "gut feeling"?

Cover in case Zack decided not to out. I wasn't going to be the one who did it.

[Montmorency]

Cover in case Zack decided not to out. I wasn't going to be the one who did it.

But that's the thing I don't get - it was meant to be outing, it was a public claim, and most other people appear to have understood it.

It literally makes no sense, 'I don't want to out a public claim'. It's a public claim! If you can understand without a secret code, you can presume Zack meant others to see the same. The only reason Zack (says) he didn't reformulate is because he wanted to see how I would spark and fizz. You yourself, can't rely on that out.

[GeneralHankerchief]

But that's the thing I don't get - it was meant to be outing, it was a public claim, and most other people appear to have understood it.

It literally makes no sense, 'I don't want to out a public claim'. It's a public claim! If you can understand without a secret code, you can presume Zack meant others to see the same. The only reason Zack (says) he didn't reformulate is because he wanted to see how I would spark and fizz. You yourself, can't rely on that out.

If Zack wanted to hardclaim, he would have hardclaimed.

[Logic]

So you didn't get it as soon as you read his post?
Nope.

https://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m529/malmental/Point_over_your_head.jpg
But with "Logic's" in place of "your."

[Montmorency]

If Zack wanted to hardclaim, he would have hardclaimed.

A softclaim is still a claim. If you don't want to claim, you don't claim. :sad:

[GeneralHankerchief]

A softclaim is still a claim. If you don't want to claim, you don't claim. :sad:

What's your ultimate point that you're driving at? Right now it feels like you're shading just to shade.

[Montmorency]

What's your ultimate point that you're driving at? Right now it feels like you're shading just to shade.

I'm not shading, other than for the case where this is a horrible Kafka-esque design to torment me after retroactively deciding Zack's post was a claim, for the Csargo bus.

There's not a lot of sense to be found in the thread today.

[Csargo]

I'll take solace in the fact that Zack will be lynched next day :shrug:. Goodbye cruel world!

[Zack]

I'll take solace in the fact that Zack will be lynched next day :shrug:. Goodbye cruel world!

Help your fellow townies with a reads list and claim all night actions before you go.

[Zack]

And why would Csargo claim to have blocked Zack with no further comment if he understood Zack as having claimed to have blocked him?
I think he might have been trying to go for a claim battle. Knowing the night results and seeing my softish claim, he probably reckoned he had little chance of surviving the day anyways.

[Zack]

And since I'm more of a standard roleblocker, and already seeing several people with 1x block flip, Monty and Viper claiming 1x blocks was just another box to the sketchy checklist. I figured there had to be some limit to the madness for game balance reasons... three dead 1x blocks + monty + viper + my role seemed like a bit much.

[Zack]

Also, since there are 10 players left and we didn't get a "this might be lylo" warning from Pizza, there's either less than four wolves and/or some third party. I think the latter is unlikely given it's a fairly small game and khaan was already a neutral. Two would be too few considering game size and all these powers running around.

So Csargo has two partners.

[Csargo]

Help your fellow townies with a reads list and claim all night actions before you go.

I don't make lists Zack. I don't do night actions Zack. Only block Zack, Zack. Just the one time Zack. I'm all used up Zack. I can't survive Zack. Am town Zack. Why frame me Zack. Makes me sad Zack. The world was so bright Zack. Now the pokeworld is dark Zack. Full of sorrow Zack. Sadness consumes me Zack. You've caused my sadness Zack. I am used up townie Zack. End my pain Zack. Make it swift Zack. I'll see you on the other side Zack. Maybe we can be friends there Zack. I would like that Zack.

[Montmorency]

Also, since there are 10 players left and we didn't get a "this might be lylo" warning from Pizza, there's either less than four wolves and/or some third party. I think the latter is unlikely given it's a fairly small game and khaan was already a neutral. Two would be too few considering game size and all these powers running around.

So Csargo has two partners.

I figured there would be three earlier, based on roles and Khaan's flip.

If we assume for now you and GH are town, and I still like novice and Jabbz as town, then Barto, Manasi, Champ, and Logic, are partner candidates for Csargo.

So if Csargo flips scum, lynch Barto tomorrow.

[Zack]

I figured there would be three earlier, based on roles and Khaan's flip.

If we assume for now you and GH are town, and I still like novice and Jabbz as town, then Barto, Manasi, Champ, and Logic, are partner candidates for Csargo.

So if Csargo flips scum, lynch Barto tomorrow.
Before re-reading anything, Manasi or Barto probably best place to look after Csargo.

[Montmorency]

Before re-reading anything, Manasi or Barto probably best place to look after Csargo.

How can you tell with Manasi? She's definitely inconsistent, but I've never seen her scum and she fits with her town trends in French Revolution.

Champ OTOH feels like someone popping in to muddy the waters.

[Zack]

well choxorn (me) is a villager so GH as scum has no reason to draw attention to himself this way

plus the way the wagon [on GeneralHankerchief] opened up today is classic wolves early piling on the day's perceived easy mislynch, not a fan
:smug:


I believe in you, Zack.

Vote: GH


Vote: GH

For killing my dreams.


I will bite.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

I was wondering whether you received any information, and whether other players contacted you, that is all.

(I was also wondering why you use such foul language, but that is an ancillary matter).


GH and Champ are my top suspects, in that order.

Despite GH stating he was going to be gone for a long weekend, and will be unable to defend himself, I think he is the best lynch today, barring further evidence.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[Zack]

How can you tell with Manasi? She's definitely inconsistent, but I've never seen her scum and she fits with her town trends in French Revolution.

Champ OTOH feels like someone popping in to muddy the waters.
Calling her town in that game isn't really correct, it was a battle royale.

For one, she townread Csargo and could never give an actual reason.

For two, when I subbed in she talked about "the wim train arriving", then showed a total lack of any actual wim, only occasionally popping in to not really say anything.

My thought is she just coasted on people calling her town and her team wasn't in any trouble.

[novice]

The only possible alternative to Csargo is Zack. One of them is lying

How do you know that?

[Zack]

Can monty or someone restate the case on barto?

[novice]

OH BABY ZCAK'S HERE THE WIM TRAIN HAS ARRIVED


For two, when I subbed in she talked about "the wim train arriving", then showed a total lack of any actual wim, only occasionally popping in to not really say anything.
Yes, but she was clearly talking about you providing the wim, not her.


My thought is she just coasted on people calling her town and her team wasn't in any trouble.
Possible.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I stand by my statement about logic. I find it unlikely that scum would make the connection I did to his post or would have come up with his post in the first place. Combined with a lack of negative feels from him so far this game, I feel safe putting him 98% town.


If you want an official vote just say that and one of us can point it out to ATPG.


All reads subject to change after iso reads in the upcoming day, but this is where I view things currently.

Lock Town
Logic

Likely Town
Manasi

Unsure in no particular order
Novice
Csargo
Zack choxorn

Possible Scum
Champ
Montmorency

Scum, El Barto more sure than GHC
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto

These are the only times Jabbz interacts with or mentions Csargo all game. It's especially worth noting because he gives a fairly sizeable impressions post earlier on (here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749062#post2053749062)) that doesn't mention him at all.

[novice]

Can monty or someone restate the case on barto?

I can restate my case, can't speak for others:


Third party: Seireikhaan

Deceased town:
Cuthillius - Poisoner
Raith Kemmler
Sooh - Roleblocker
BSmith
Autolycus

Hot takes:

Town, in no particular order:
Logic
Jabbz - Vanilla
Manasi

Leaning town:
Montmorency - Roleblocker
SeveringViper - Roleblocker
Champ

Leaning scum (more or less by PoE):
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto - Poisoner
Csargo
choxorn Zack

Did I miss any claims?

Vote: El Barto for now.


No justification whatsoever. (!)

Not true, see the bold text.

Also:

Counterwagon to Viper. And the poison.
I also don't like how he never misses an opportunity to point out that Monty is tunneling.

So basically the poisoning of Manasi and Process of Elimination. Manasi being scum would undercut both points.

[Zack]

Yes, but she was clearly talking about you providing the wim, not her.
Disagree.


tfw I've already doubled my postcount in the game within the first 45 minutes of this day.

:sweetheart: Zack :sweetheart:

[El Barto]

I'm pretty sure Barto was talking about Csargo, Logic.If that is indeed the case, I will retract my admonishment of El Barto. But I cannot find the statement made by Csargo that El Barto is referencing.
Here you go, sir:

Barto's probably my favorite player of all time. Well, except Sasaki, but that's not even a fair comparison.

I really hope you aren't all bussing scum who got together for the sole purpose of confusing me into voting how you want. That would be evil.
Evil is the essence of being a mafioso, Monty. I would have thought that even you could spot that.

If Zack wanted to hardclaim, he would have hardclaimed.
Such as here…?

And since I'm more of a standard roleblocker, and already seeing several people with 1x block flip, Monty and Viper claiming 1x blocks was just another box to the sketchy checklist. I figured there had to be some limit to the madness for game balance reasons... three dead 1x blocks + monty + viper + my role seemed like a bit much.
I wonder how many poisoners there really are as well.

Also, since there are 10 players left and we didn't get a "this might be lylo" warning from Pizza, there's either less than four wolves and/or some third party. I think the latter is unlikely given it's a fairly small game and khaan was already a neutral. Two would be too few considering game size and all these powers running around.

So Csargo has two partners.
Remember the commandment: thou shalt not metagame in vain.

Can monty or someone restate the case on barto?
What case?

[El Barto]

(…) These are the only times Jabbz interacts with or mentions Csargo all game. It's especially worth noting because he gives a fairly sizeable impressions post earlier on (here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053749062#post2053749062)) that doesn't mention him at all.
And notice how we are both voting Csargo. Which Monsieur d'Montmorency still refuses to do.

[novice]

I mean, it's the same story, but vice-versa: if Csargo flips town, Zack has to die.
Same question as to Logic: Why can't they both be town?


I think he might have been trying to go for a claim battle. Knowing the night results and seeing my softish claim, he probably reckoned he had little chance of surviving the day anyways.
What's a claim battle?

[Csargo]

I think he might have been trying to go for a claim battle. Knowing the night results and seeing my softish claim, he probably reckoned he had little chance of surviving the day anyways.

:Zzzz:

[novice]

Disagree.

Okay, it's more open to nterpretation than I thought, then. Let's let Manasi address this then.

[Montmorency]

Can monty or someone restate the case on barto?

I'm just going to sum up D2 activity from Manasi, Csargo, and Barto for now. This is the first half of D2.

D2 begins; Sooh makes case against Raith, Barto responds:


This is compelling enough for me to feel sorely tempted to follow you on this vote. But it would then enable you to vote for me based on the same justification, which would be most vexing.

Conundra such as this one make life interesting.


Tell me a story Barto.

makes a few small comments about various things, interacts with GH and Sooh. Comments on his won playstyle:


Given that, when I am assigned a role in these games of the Innocent alignment, I tend to behave as a quasi-survivor, I wouldn't be too much against that.
Furthermore, it has often been pointed out that a Survivor can be forced to act as if his or her alignment were Innocent rather than Neutral.

Manasi arrives, says hi, and Barto asks how she is doing. Manasi responds to Barto, and also to GH about her reads:


Hi. I'm very tired. I've only slightly skimmed what's happened since the day has started. How are you? Have you had a good day? What'd you have for dinner?

[to GH]

Meh. Nothing has really changed.

Surprised khaan was enough of a factor to anyone but I could have just inherently been skimming over their posts. Good survivor lynch I guess rip 3P.

Shocked you got RB'd though, I thought you were a villager all day yesterday and still think that today. I really don't wanna call SV a wolf though.

But I'm ecstatic to call Monty one.

My reads haven't really changed much. I've only really skimmed though so idk.



Csargo is disappointed that Barto did not tell him a story. Barto talks a lot about dinner and meaningless things, has this to say to Csargo about wanting to vote him D1:


I do apologise. What, then were you, my good friend whom I would have voted for yesterday had Snerk not asked the public to vote for GeneralHankerchief, asking for?

Csargo tells Barto he can still vote for him, repeats request for a story. Asks Sooh why she doesn't like him, asks Manasi why she doesn't like Monty.

Csargo asks Choxorn why he thought Khaan was a higher-priority lynch than Monty. Csargo leans town on Sooh, contradicts her impression of him D1. Csargo starts Choxorn wagon, condemns Monty wagon (by BSmith, Auto, and Viper). Asks Viper to clarify reactions toward people. Defends Monty's vote on GH, saying GH needs pressure.

When Sooh tells Viper there could be more than one blocker in the game, Csargo makes faces:


:sweatdrop::rolleyes:

Finally, with one-third of the day gone, Manasi claims to have been poisoned:


Oh nice.

I was poisoned last night.



I blame cuth.


Someone halp.

Manasi claims death by EOD without antidote.


See, you say that, but I need to know before I die.

Because I will die at EOD.


And I'm LOCK VILLA.

GH asks Manasi why she didn't claim earlier, the first to ask. Csargo returns:


ATPG is going to slap you no matter what you do, cannot escape.

Logic did Monty strike a nerve?

Gh votes auto, noted. Why auto over BSmith? Their mo's are basically the same.

Csargo calls auto a "stoic lurker". Fishes for clever insight on GH from Monty.

After Logic and Sooh echo GH's question about why Manasi didn't claim earlier, Manasi replies that this is "angly" and she just didn't see the host's notification:


Yeah I uh.

Fuck this is angly.

I'll just say that in the French Revolution game I was invited to a separate quicktopic where I received the invitation via PM on this site and didn't see it until a full 24 hours later.

I need to enable email notifications or something zzz.

Plz donut be disappointed mom and dad plz.

Csargo and Barto respond, with Barto making his poisoning/vTown claim and shading Manasi for not revealing earlier; Barto also votes Champ:


So you're saying you didn't see it? Lolwut?

Plz donut talk about donuts, I'm hungry...


I'll tell you the story that I poisoned Manasi last night with a one-off ability. Now I am, for all intents and purposes, what the gaming populace knows as a ‘vanilla townie’. I find it extremely odd that Manasi did not immediately request for help.


What a strange coincidence.

Oh yes, you may. I find it acceptable for now, especially as a Day One case. I bow to you. :bow:

:stare:

You leave me with no option but to Vote: Champ.

Manasi-Barto chain, small talk; Barto tells Manasi he would heal her if he could:


Yeah I'm not the most alert.

:/

THANKS BARTO


You are most welcome.


Can you uh

Can you fix it plz


If I had such a capability I would consider it. However, as I have already stated, I have no abilities remaining.

[Montmorency]

And notice how we are both voting Csargo. Which Monsieur d'Montmorency still refuses to do.

I voted him a while ago.


Same question as to Logic: Why can't they both be town?

I mentioned the possibility earlier while planning to vote Zack on Csargo's claim, scenario that Csargo was telling the truth but that the Zack block was NAI because Mafia independently decided not to kill that night.

I considered it to be relatively unlikely, and same for the tables turned between Csargo and Zack. One of them is definitely scum IMO.

[El Barto]

:Zzzz:
Yes, yes, we know, Csargo. We are bound to lynch Zack if you are revealed to be town. Yes.

I'm just going to sum up D2 activity from Manasi, Csargo, and Barto for now.
What? Seriously, Monty, this is not last year's game. You need not pretend to be after me while not voting me any longer.

I voted him a while ago.
Ach! *downs a slug* We need a newer vote tally than the one I have.

[Zack]

Same question as to Logic: Why can't they both be town?
Csargo is lying. I know for a fact my action went through so I can't have been roleblocked.

Plus posts like #1400 are basically lolcatting imo. He's been painfully awkward/frozen today, and a good number of his posts are fairly lolcatty. (If you're unfamiliar, on some sites outted wolves would start posting actual lolcat pictures, so "lolcatting" has become a term for a wolf who has been outted and is basically just trolling and messing around.)


What's a claim battle?
Two people are claiming the same thing, one is scum. Most often seen in 9er and 13er cop setups, where wolves will fakeclaim cop and go into a claim battle / thunderdome with the real cop.

[Csargo]

Csargo is lying. I know for a fact my action went through so I can't have been roleblocked.

Plus posts like #1400 are basically lolcatting imo. He's been painfully awkward/frozen today, and a good number of his posts are fairly lolcatty. (If you're unfamiliar, on some sites outted wolves would start posting actual lolcat pictures, so "lolcatting" has become a term for a wolf who has been outted and is basically just trolling and messing around.)


Two people are claiming the same thing, one is scum. Most often seen in 9er and 13er cop setups, where wolves will fakeclaim cop and go into a claim battle / thunderdome with the real cop.

We're both lying. I'd try harder, but I'm tired. I thought 1400 was funny, no? THUNDERDOME!

[Csargo]

I think he might have been trying to go for a claim battle. Knowing the night results and seeing my softish claim, he probably reckoned he had little chance of surviving the day anyways.

I think saying I had little chance is generous. I'd say it was closer to 0.000000001%, and even that's a stretch.

[Zack]

We're both lying. I'd try harder, but I'm tired. I thought 1400 was funny, no? THUNDERDOME!

we're ....... both lying?

[Csargo]

ATPG too strong.

[Csargo]

we're ....... both lying?

:yes:

[novice]

Csargo is lying. I know for a fact my action went through so I can't have been roleblocked.
Ok, that clarifies the situation.
Is it normal to get feedback on role blocks in Pizza's games?

[El Barto]

Ok, that clarifies the situation.
Is it normal to get feedback on role blocks in Pizza's games?
In this one, at least, I can clarify that when I poisoned Manasi I was duly informed that the action had been successfully performed and that Manasi's status had changed to POISONED, even though she does not seem to shake off the CONFUSED one.

[novice]

Can a scum player night kill and perform other actions on the same night?

[Montmorency]

Barto-Csargo-Manasi, second half of D2:

Novice asks barto why he poisoned Manasi, and seeing barto's comment that he would be willing to cure Manasi if he had an antidote, novice also asks if Barto has changed his mind on Manasi needing to be poisoned/die. Barto gives a kind of shallow response:


Well, (she?) needn't to be poisoned again, as one dose is supposed to do the trick.

We either have a helpful townie come forth and save Manasi, leaving us with three cleared players of the Innocent persuasion, including myself, or we rid ourselves of a player who cannot be bothered to notice the messages from our beloved Game Master (Manasi is misrepresenting her situation).

Manasi avers that she isn't misrepresenting anything, check FrenchRev, she is bad with private messages. Barto reveals that Manasi will actually die at the end of night, and so was lying about EOD death; congratulates novice on noticing that he breadcrumbed a claim in this aforementioned post:


Ah-ha.

Very well, I might be persuaded to vote for Raith Kemmler. We have time.

How are things going with you, my good lady?

Barto expanding on his contradiction of Manasi's understanding of her death timing, talks about cooking and food again:


I must amend the above statement. Manasi claimed that her death was due to happen at the end of the current Day phase (D2 in the vernacular) when it is actually due to happen at the end of the coming Night phase (N2 in the vernacular). I am sorry that I did not clarify this before, and my only excuse for such an oversight is that I was engaged in preparing a sauce based on tomatoes (well, mostly tomatoes) for accompanying some pasta al dente for a meal, and I have only now extricated myself from the straps of the cook's apron.

Barto claims to be playing seriously, and notes that he acted to prevent people from concluding that Cuth had poisoned Manasi; also responds to Viper's criticism of Barto assuming that someone curing Manasi would clear Manasi, Barto, and the 3rd player:


I made full disclosure of my use of my ability to start providing information. For once, I am playing seriously. I might even befriend Seymour Skinner. Firstly, my information, and there being at least two known poisoners on the town side, makes the existence of multiple wielders of the roleblock ability also possible.

Also, I had to prevent the misconception that our now dead poisoner had, for some reason, attacked Manasi from arising. That would have also polluted discussion.

[to Viper]

I must admit that it is only a hypothesis. A small network of innocents might be my gift to the town and a not insignificant contribution to our eventual victory. That, or a botherseome accumulation of fæces.

Barto again pushes the possibility of duplicate roles wrt his own Poison (given Cuth flipped with a Poison shot). Barto has made this point several times already:


After a perusal of the posts earlier in this phase, I can point out the following exchanges:
Severing Viper made the following post:

Which then gave rise to the following exchanges:

and then

It would be a strong possibility that Sooh is right and there are multiple copies of each ability distributed among the players.

Barto draws attention to Monty implying that he would cure Manasi in exchange for loyalty. Manasi returns, whines about dying, says timing of claim doesn't matter, and that her PM only said she would be poisoned and that poisonings on her home forum take final effect at EOD:


So we're just gonna let me die?

Okay.

Why does it matter when I said I was going to die?

The PM just said I was poisoned.

NOT

"You have been poisoned and will perish in 72 hours good luck friend godspeed."

It just said I was poisoned.


If anyone has an antidote I would be greatly appreciative, because just letting me die is a horrendous idea.


The way I usually play with poisoners is that at the end of the DAY PHASE is when the poison runs out.

Why are you being so rude and dismissive Barto?

Barto confronts Manasi about timing again, leaves thread:


The question which you claim to be unimportant, name ‘when I said I was going to die?’ can be interpreted in two ways. Both are important.

If you mean the moment that you actually made the post in which you claimed you were going to die, then it matters because you are either not paying attention or you spent some time consulting with your mafia partners whether they had the antidote.

If you mean why the moment of your upcoming death matters, then it is relevant because either you are not paying attention (again) or you were deliberately lying. First you were going to die at a specified time. Now you claim it to be an unspecified one. Please make up your mind.

I am off to watch a film.
I said, good day.

Csargo pops in to call Barto his favorite players, other than Sasaki. Complains that BSmith is discussing trivial stuff w novice/Logic, leaving Csargo nothing to work with.

Csargo makes very interesting post about "dangerous", "serious" Barto:


This is the most dangerous Barto. Generally his tone is somewhere in between, this is far more serious than I would expect. We'll see what happens, but it is cause for concern imo. Though I wouldn't call it inherently scummy, more observation is needed.

Csargo's last posts of the day, leaves his vote on Choxorn because he is scummiest ITT, then returns EOD to ask for leadership, refuses my request to save Choxorn:


Probably won't be around much EoD, because of work. Still think Chox is the scummiest player itt, so I'm leaving my vote on him.


I'm here, lead me!


Why?


Did you not see this?

Manasi's last post of day comes at EOD; she votes Raith after feeling less solid on Choxorn, though understanding GH's case on him, and notes that GH-Sooh-novice-Logic are her top town reads:


Feeling less good about voting on Chox. I kinda get where GH is on why he scum reads him but I do feel kinda uncomfortable voting there.

I wonder which out of my 5 posts day 1 was very suspicious. Would love to know.

Really would urge you all to look at Barto after my flip because there was virtually no reason to poison someone completely random.

Zz z z z z z z .

GH/Sooh/Novice/logic still sitting pretty strong in my village cirlce.


Sorry, long phases make me kinda zone out for more time than I'd like to admit.

Vote: Raith Kemmler

Barto says a bunch of stuff at EOD, but I'm not going to go through it, sorry. Maybe tomorrow.

[Montmorency]

What? Seriously, Monty, this is not last year's game. You need not pretend to be after me while not voting me any longer.

What's that?


Csargo is lying. I know for a fact my action went through so I can't have been roleblocked.

Plus posts like #1400 are basically lolcatting imo. He's been painfully awkward/frozen today, and a good number of his posts are fairly lolcatty. (If you're unfamiliar, on some sites outted wolves would start posting actual lolcat pictures, so "lolcatting" has become a term for a wolf who has been outted and is basically just trolling and messing around.)


Two people are claiming the same thing, one is scum. Most often seen in 9er and 13er cop setups, where wolves will fakeclaim cop and go into a claim battle / thunderdome with the real cop.

Are you saying you did something other than block? If you did block, technically wrt actions it's the same as you having been blocked by that person, other than the possibility of dual actions.

[Zack]

For what it's worth, in my experience poisoning is something that's announced publicly (eg "x has been poisoned and will die at end of day if not healed").

So inb4 this was all just performance art, it never actually happened, and both are scum. :sunny:

[Zack]

Are you saying you did something other than block? If you did block, technically wrt actions it's the same as you having been blocked by that person, other than the possibility of dual actions.
I know I was not roleblocked last night. Also Csargo just admitted he was lying. :laugh4:

[Montmorency]

So inb4 this was all just performance art, it never actually happened, and both are scum. :sunny:

Scenario has been raised before, by one or more of Jabbz, Logic, novice.

It's the obvious connection if Barto flips town, though m/t is still possible.

[Montmorency]

Scenario has been raised before, by one or more of Jabbz, Logic, novice.

It's the obvious connection if Barto flips town, though m/t is still possible.

Corrigendum: if Barto flips scum.

[Zack]

why did manasi vote viper over barto yesterday?

[Champ]

All reads subject to change after iso reads in the upcoming day, but this is where I view things currently.

Lock Town
Logic

Likely Town
Manasi

Unsure in no particular order
Novice
Csargo
Zack choxorn

Possible Scum
Champ
Montmorency

Scum, El Barto more sure than GHC
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto

what
this is terrible
Vote: Logic

[Csargo]

I know I was not roleblocked last night. Also Csargo just admitted he was lying. :laugh4:

Clearly, I had to counter an untruth with another untruth. Then they both become truths. Is that not how logic works?

[Champ]

its jabbz logic

[GeneralHankerchief]

Monty do you have a conclusion for those quoted Barto-Csargo-Manasi interactions? I'm kind of reading it all as NAI and it seems a bit like busywork. If you do have a conclusion, do you think it's more telling than the paucity of Jabbz/Csargo interactions I pointed out earlier?

[El Barto]

Can a scum player night kill and perform other actions on the same night?
If it's not in the OP…

What's that?
Easy. In that game we both went after each other and it was only at the very end that Renata (IIRC) noticed that you hardly ever actually voted for me. In this game you appear to be doing the same. You disparage me, you slander me, you make libellous, disparaging statements, but you still follow the main waggon. Why is this oddly familiar? Or, just the plainer question: Why is this?


Scenario has been raised before, by one or more of Jabbz, Logic, novice.

It's the obvious connection if Barto flips town, though m/t is still possible.Corrigendum: if Barto flips scum.
The most likely explanation for such an acute occurrence of Cunicular Behavior Syndrome, Devon Monty, is that it's a side effect from an overdose of Perfect Information™.

[Champ]

escargo are you a wolf?
:(

[Zack]

its jabbz logic

personally I think that feels more like jabbz trying to pocket a villager

jabbz/manasi more likely imo

[Montmorency]

Not 100% sure.

Really not liking how Monty is interacting ITT but it oculd be a personal thing against his tone, same reason I didn't like barto but different tone.


I'd say aorn Monty/Barto etc

I kinda see the case on SV but i haven't read it nearly closely enough to know

She says Barto is likely scum and is unsure about Viper. Thinks about sheeping. Sheeps at Zack's request ffor her to make a vote.


I knowwwwwwwwwwww bby.

SeveringViper

eep


literally everyone in my village circle is voting SV lol

temptation to just sheep is high


Also, troubling reads post by Logic if one of Csargo/Barto/manasi is scum. If two are scum, Logic is likely to be #3.



I still think Champ is the most likely wolf. I will Vote: Champ until someone more wolfy comes along.
My opinion of GH has softened a bit. I'm only giving him a soft wolf lean.
Csargo sounds like his play-style is similar to mine. Hard to read. Giving him a soft village lean for now.
Manasi seems a good villager
El Barto is a null. Poisoning Manasi was weird, and then alluding to it without outright saying it could have gone better. But otherwise, he looks more town than wolf.
I'm going to echo what others have already said about SeveringViper: lots of posts on D1, and rather quiet afterwards. I'm used to seeing the opposite from wolves, but I don't know if that is true around here.
Zack subbed in for Choxorn, who I never really saw as a wolf in the first place. And Zack feels very town.
Novice I keep seeing his posts and mentally attributing them to SeveringViper on first glance. Going to have to call him a slight wolf lean.
Jabbz for some reason has been defending me more often than others. I could be misremembering, but I think he has had more positive things to say about me than anyone else thus far.
Like GH, I keep going back and forth about Monty. I can't tell if he is walking a tightrope as a wolf, or a villager trying to look like a wolf, or I am just really bad at reading him.

[Csargo]

pokeman...:sweatdrop:

[El Barto]

what
this is terrible
Vote: Logic
Why are you voting for Logic, if the one making the terrible statements is Jabbz?

Clearly, I had to counter an untruth with another untruth. Then they both become truths. Is that not how logic works?
You could ask him when he returns to online presence, Csargo.

[Champ]

Is everyone else actually afraid of placing votes? Champ opens up with a vote on me almost an hour and a half after the day opens, and then El Barto places only the second vote of the day only about 20 minutes later. And from then, no one has placed a vote?

Since I may not be online but once more today, I'll give my perceptions of everyone.


I still think Champ is the most likely wolf. I will Vote: Champ until someone more wolfy comes along.
My opinion of GH has softened a bit. I'm only giving him a soft wolf lean.
Csargo sounds like his play-style is similar to mine. Hard to read. Giving him a soft village lean for now.
Manasi seems a good villager
El Barto is a null. Poisoning Manasi was weird, and then alluding to it without outright saying it could have gone better. But otherwise, he looks more town than wolf.
I'm going to echo what others have already said about SeveringViper: lots of posts on D1, and rather quiet afterwards. I'm used to seeing the opposite from wolves, but I don't know if that is true around here.
Zack subbed in for Choxorn, who I never really saw as a wolf in the first place. And Zack feels very town.
Novice I keep seeing his posts and mentally attributing them to SeveringViper on first glance. Going to have to call him a slight wolf lean.
Jabbz for some reason has been defending me more often than others. I could be misremembering, but I think he has had more positive things to say about me than anyone else thus far.
Like GH, I keep going back and forth about Monty. I can't tell if he is walking a tightrope as a wolf, or a villager trying to look like a wolf, or I am just really bad at reading him.


wouldnt a wolf be scared to place a vote?
then why am i a wolf?

[Champ]

Why are you voting for Logic, if the one making the terrible statements is Jabbz?

You could ask him when he returns to online presence, Csargo.

im committed to the logic tunnel

[Montmorency]

Monty do you have a conclusion for those quoted Barto-Csargo-Manasi interactions? I'm kind of reading it all as NAI and it seems a bit like busywork. If you do have a conclusion, do you think it's more telling than the paucity of Jabbz/Csargo interactions I pointed out earlier?

The case against Barto is same as before, poisoning claim and how he approached it (or never again, after D2's events). I put the interactions up there for future reference. Could well be scum team screwing around ITT.

[El Barto]

escargo are you a wolf?
:(
I see what you did there. It is an excellent choice, with salt.

wouldnt a wolf be scared to place a vote?
then why am i a wolf?
I should point out that our beloved game host punished inactivity with death.

[Champ]

wat does that mean

[Montmorency]

If it's not in the OP…

Easy. In that game we both went after each other and it was only at the very end that Renata (IIRC) noticed that you hardly ever actually voted for me. In this game you appear to be doing the same. You disparage me, you slander me, you make libellous, disparaging statements, but you still follow the main waggon. Why is this oddly familiar? Or, just the plainer question: Why is this?

The most likely explanation for such an acute occurrence of Cunicular Behavior Syndrome, Devon Monty, is that it's a side effect from an overdose of Perfect Information™.

I voted to lynch you yesterday. You aren't always the main wagon, and you aren't my only target. I didn't vote you much in VSG because according to my presentation I never really suspected you. You were the one tunneling me.

[Zack]

Zack

novice

GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency

Champ
El Barto
Logic

Jabbz
Manasi

Csargo

---

kind of where my head is now, trying to re-read the thread

[Zack]

I'm enjoying this fireworks display. It's playing out beautifully.
This is in response to two (now flipped) villagers arguing in the thread. Kind of hilariously, blatant wolfy in hindsight.

[Champ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKbU8B-QVZk
this is me when i found out escargo was a wolf

[Csargo]

This is in response to two (now flipped) villagers arguing in the thread. Kind of hilariously, blatant wolfy in hindsight.

:verycool:

[Csargo]

Zack

novice

GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency

Champ
El Barto
Logic

Jabbz
Manasi

Csargo

---

Csargo

kind of where my head is now, trying to re-read the thread

You should of put me below the dotted line tbh. Like that.

[Zack]

novice, which game were you scum with pizza in?

[Logic]

Here you go, sir:


Evil is the essence of being a mafioso, Monty. I would have thought that even you could spot that.

Such as here…?

I wonder how many poisoners there really are as well.

Remember the commandment: thou shalt not metagame in vain.

What case?
Thank you for pointing that out. However, I must point out something that you missed.

And notice how we are both voting Csargo. Which Monsieur d'Montmorency still refuses to do.
Um, what?

Look, I'm not sold on Monty being town, but he absolutely is voting for Csargo.

I mean, it's the same story, but vice-versa: if Csargo flips town, Zack has to die.

Vote: Csargo



And how could GH even have a gut vote on Csargo if he was voting on the basis of a perceived claim by Zack - unless he wasn't voting on the basis of a perceived claim and he didn't actually understand what Zack was saying in the first place!



what
this is terrible
Vote: Logic
Champ, you are quoting Jabbz, and voting for me (Logic) while making no case.

Are you Ditto?

Barto and champ are my scum leans. Depending on Champ's normal playstyle, he might be a townie under the effect of some kind of psychic pokemon power. Thoughts?

[Zack]

I yearn to rely on a stronger will.

I fear what I'm capable of in its absence.

what was this about? if it's a joke i don't get the punchline

[Montmorency]

what was this about? if it's a joke i don't get the punchline

Three levels:

1. I mean it literally, e.g. play style
2. I forget this one
3. Pokemon are like that

[novice]

novice, which game were you scum with pizza in?

Tokens of my Confection (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222-Tokens-of-My-Confection-Concluded)

[novice]

If it's not in the OP…

...then what? It's not in the OP.

I'm trying to figure out how the scum team would choose their night killer.

[Zack]

The Choxorn vote doesn't look good, but also doesn't look bad I suppose. I feel it more than the Khaan vote at least. Not feeling scum from Severing, so that seems the best place to put it. Sorry for the hedging, I'll understand if people call me on it later.

Vote Choxorn


And Khan puts in a self defense vote.


@GHC Basically I didn't want to vote on a guy I was not getting any scum vibes from, and I saw fewer problems with Khaan than Chox. Admittedly that might be because the Khaan case was developing over a larger period and I'm reading bits and pieces. I understand I'll be held accountable for it tho, just don't expect a better explanation, as my justification is weak. No vote or vote on anyone else would likely also get me questioned tomorrow anyway. GL all.


Monty (4) Logic Bsmith Autolycus SeveringViper
Khaan (6) GeneralHankerchief Novice Csargo Cuthillius Choxorn Kemmler
GH (2) El Barto Sooh
Choxorn (3) Manasi, khaan Jabbz
Manasi (1) Champ

invalid vote (1) Monty

I think your vote plugin is missing more than one vote, novice.

In any case, round over. Checking vote tally...

this is bizarre

it's like monty doesn't exist

[Zack]

The friendly plant began to hop closer to Squirtle, each bounce causing a plume of vile dust to shake off and contaminate the air. The powder was insanely poisonous, and soon, Squirtle found himself unable to move. The plant was poisonous! Worse, it was clingy!

Squirtle also didn't have any good moves to use against an Oddish, despite being a much higher level, so the trainer just began throwing Pokeballs at it in the hopes of catching it.

But disaster struck.

The ground began to shake. The cliff that they were battling on gave way, and many tons of earth and rock began to crumble beneath their feet. The trainer flew a great distance, taking a ton of damage.

And, unfortunately, one of the two Pokemon didn't survive, and got buried 10 feet deep in the ground, never to be seen again.
Viper was attacked Night 1.

[Montmorency]

Viper was attacked Night 1.

Interesting finding.

Here's the thing though: on N2, someone was attacked with Thunderbolt, and Pizza noted this separately from the flavor writeup.

[novice]

Viper was attacked Night 1.

Explain? I figured the pokemon that did survive was the killer?

[Montmorency]

And we didn't hear the identity of the player targeted.

[Zack]

Explain? I figured the pokemon that did survive was the killer?

Viper was squirtle.

[Manasi]

Hi. I'm at a music festival and I've been trying to load the thread for two hours. Dial up internet etc when the rest of Manhattan is also on the same island.

Skimmed through a lot of the stuff about me on the last page. I think the activity kinda speaks for itself. I was really really excited when Zack subbed in (which is a given). Before the only people I really liked/knew/enjoyed playing with was GH/Champ/Csargo. Champ was being really weird so I buddies up with GH and csargo. I think that's pretty simple given how I play ~any game.

SV vote because I believed Zack more than I trusted myself.

Call me lovesick.

[Manasi]

I'm gonna try to stick around until eod but I'm at a set rn and will only be out of this crowd at 5:45.

[Manasi]

Wtb vote counts.

[Manasi]

I find it impossible to play games where people are almost never posting in real time. I need to find middle ground somewhere.

[Zack]

Isn't eod in like 25 hours

[novice]

Tally as of post 1472:

Lynch votes
6 votes: Csargo (Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749771#post2053749771), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749792#post2053749792), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749826#post2053749826), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749863#post2053749863), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749884#post2053749884), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749898#post2053749898))
1 votes: Zack (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749799#post2053749799))
1 votes: Logic (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053749959#post2053749959))

Voting history:
Csargo

Csargo

Zack

Csargo

Csargo

Csargo

Csargo

Logic

[novice]

I'm gonna try to stick around until eod but I'm at a set rn and will only be out of this crowd at 5:45.


Isn't eod in like 25 hours

Yes.

[Manasi]

o.

k.

[Manasi]

lol csargo outing rip

vote: csargo

Godspeed etc.

[Manasi]

I mean no response to anything I said is also fine

[novice]

So if Viper was attacked on N1, maybe the mafia had an extra night kill (for fine balancing reasons) and used it N1? Or we have an impotent SK running around.

Regarding Manasi, I would have expected her to be doing the night kill if she was partnered with Csargo.

[Manasi]

So if Viper was attacked on N1, maybe the mafia had an extra night kill (for fine balancing reasons) and used it N1? Or we have an impotent SK running around.

Regarding Manasi, I would have expected her to be doing the night kill if she was partnered with Csargo.

What? WHat does this even mean

[novice]

I mean no response to anything I said is also fine

The tally was in response to the below, not sure what Wtb means.


Wtb vote counts.


Hi. I'm at a music festival and I've been trying to load the thread for two hours. Dial up internet etc when the rest of Manhattan is also on the same island.

Skimmed through a lot of the stuff about me on the last page. I think the activity kinda speaks for itself. I was really really excited when Zack subbed in (which is a given). Before the only people I really liked/knew/enjoyed playing with was GH/Champ/Csargo. Champ was being really weird so I buddies up with GH and csargo. I think that's pretty simple given how I play ~any game.

SV vote because I believed Zack more than I trusted myself.

Call me lovesick.

I'm a big Zack fan too, but aren't you wary of his scum ability?
So you were indeed intending to wim it up when Zack arrived?

[novice]

What? WHat does this even mean

Which part? The latter?
Scum teams normally send their most townread member out killing, as that person is the least likely to be caught by a power role.

[Manasi]

The tally was in response to the below, not sure what Wtb means.





I'm a big Zack fan too, but aren't you wary of his scum ability?
So you were indeed intending to wim it up when Zack arrived?

A big fan is an understatement.

I know what he's like as a wolf.

This ain't it.

I was and I did, but it gets really hard when people just continue to talk around you as opposed to talking to you.

[novice]

Which part? The latter?
Scum teams normally send their most townread member out killing, as that person is the least likely to be caught by a power role.

So in other words that counts against you being scum with csargo.

[Manasi]

Which part? The latter?
Scum teams normally send their most townread member out killing, as that person is the least likely to be caught by a power role.

Ffs I thought you meant selecting the NK and I had a rampant anxiety attack.

[novice]

A big fan is an understatement.

I know what he's like as a wolf.

This ain't it.

I was and I did, but it gets really hard when people just continue to talk around you as opposed to talking to you.

How is his scum game then?

Sorry about talking around you, I'll try not to. It happens when you expect others to only be around in bursts, I suppose. I tend to only address people directly when they have a more constant thread presence. My bad.

[Montmorency]

So if Viper was attacked on N1, maybe the mafia had an extra night kill (for fine balancing reasons) and used it N1? Or we have an impotent SK running around.

Regarding Manasi, I would have expected her to be doing the night kill if she was partnered with Csargo.

I don't buy that Viper was attacked just yet. If that was an actual game event that affected Viper/Squirtle, why was the N2 attack (Thunderbolt) both not paired to a Pokemon, and noted outside the flavor writeup?

[novice]

I don't buy that Viper was attacked just yet. If that was an actual game event that affected Viper/Squirtle, why was the N2 attack (Thunderbolt) both not paired to a Pokemon, and noted outside the flavor writeup?

Yeah I don't know, frankly I don't care much for analyzing flavour texts, but I'm willing to entertain the idea that Viper was attacked. Not a burning issue right now anyway.

[Zack]

Can u RDS list manasi

[El Barto]

wat does that mean
’escargo’?

I voted to lynch you yesterday. You aren't always the main wagon, and you aren't my only target. I didn't vote you much in VSG because according to my presentation I never really suspected you. You were the one tunneling me.
Ah-ha… good, good. So why am I a mafioso then?

:verycool:
I will have to admit that you display almost as much verve as I do at times, Devon Csargo.

Um, what?

Look, I'm not sold on Monty being town, but he absolutely is voting for Csargo.
I have already addressed that above.

[Csargo]

Would you believe me if I said I was a cereal killer? Because I totally am one.

[El Barto]

So you eat the murdered grains of innocent plants, mixed in with your yoghurt? Is that the kind of liberal you are, Csargo?

[Champ]

’escargo’?

Ah-ha… good, good. So why am I a mafioso then?

I will have to admit that you display almost as much verve as I do at times, Devon Csargo.

I have already addressed that above.

no i meant the second quote el farto

[El Barto]

Do not insult me, Champ. Just don't.

[Champ]

Do not insult me, Champ. Just don't.

answer my question or you will be smell farto

[Montmorency]

Would you believe me if I said I was a cereal killer? Because I totally am one.

Go on. Everyone knows I respect and cherish the [s]erial killers among us.


Do not insult me, Champ. Just don't.

Don't have a cow.

[El Barto]

what was this about? if it's a joke i don't get the punchlineThree levels:

1. I mean it literally, e.g. play style
2. I forget this one
3. Pokemon are like that
Mew.

[El Barto]

answer my question or you will be smell farto
You government-employed liberal!

[Zack]

what is with you and liberals this game

[Montmorency]

Mew.

I remember 2000, thank you.