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Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 07:13
Probably also worth reminding everyone that this game was advertised as 'slightly bastard' and that Monty is a cunning devil.

Dolby
04-23-2021, 07:14
I think that El's reasoning for me is kinda bleh, since it ignores the issues that I had with Rask's posts, which I assume that also had, but I'm going to hold off on him until he rereads

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 07:16
Gimme a take Winston

As mentioned yesterday, I picked up a hint of possible scum theatre from Tim vs. Lewwyn.

I have to head off to work now (wouldn't have posted at all if it wasn't for everyone missing the alien werewolf slavering in the corner), but that's certainly something I'll be looking more closely at this evening.

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 07:18
why was I the only one who used twilight lol

In my case it was because I'd already reduced my night's sleep to less than five hours just to see the flip.

Dolby
04-23-2021, 07:20
In my case it was because I'd already reduced my night's sleep to less than five hours just to see the flip.

understandable

know your off to work, but why did you give me a significant scum-ding for this post?


you should read the proceding 3 posts to that again I think

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 07:20
Oh, and in case this game has a lie detector role:

I am town ;)

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 07:23
understandable

know your off to work, but why did you give me a significant scum-ding for this post?

something about trying to stop the misunderstanding (which scum often do to look townie in my experience) instead of letting it play out (which offers more potential for readable information)

Dolby
04-23-2021, 07:34
I think that Winston's strech of activity 3 hours before EoD is overall towny

Lewwyn
04-23-2021, 08:57
Since I wasn't here for Twilight:

I wanted to vote Rask, but I didn't like Csargo on Rask's wagon, so that put me off voting there.

I voted Dolby because of that post I quoted yesterday, where Dolby said "My issue with Rask is..." and then rattled off some issues. It felt very out of the blue, like "Ahh, Rask is getting some heat, I better prepare a valid reason for suspecting him in case I need to vote him"

And even though I was SRing Rask at the time, I SR'd Dolby more for that.

So,

Vote: Dolby

I'll do a proper re-read when I get to work, I only skimmed a few posts between my last post and EOD.

If you didn't like Csargo on Rask, do you suspect csargo? Why vote dolby over csargo then?

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 09:01
If you didn't like Csargo on Rask, do you suspect csargo? Why vote dolby over csargo then?

Yes, and because my thoughts about Csargo were "unease" but my thoughts about Dolby were "this is something I see from scum a lot"

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 09:04
Not a fan of this post but not throwing out a tubful of bathwater over a little dirt washing off the baby either.


If you don't think I'm truth-telling, you need to call me out harder than this.


I think that post was null at best, and I am absolutely sure that you know that it was null at best...there is also nothing in it to indicate the agenda behind it..."truthful townie telling it like it is" certainly possible...so id WIFOMy wolf


You have more respect for my scumgame than it deserves.


It's interesting to me how you're classifying my push as "swinging at whoever is handy" since I don't see why you would reach that conclusion. Care to elaborate?
Sure. El and I are different people. Make of our differences what you will.



Are you debating to the thread or to me? If it's to the thread, fine, but I don't see why this would be a good defense to me since I've never played with you before, I have no basis to believe this. If they're really weaksauce reads to you, it feels more like you're just inflating your postcount by contributing for the sake of contributing.

I don't know who Vro is but he's probably not W with Tim here.

Winston also never W with Tim, these interactions are not theatre.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 09:08
Is there any way to bookmark posts here?

NANOOK
04-23-2021, 09:09
Why Dolby?

I think Tim pushed on him the way he pushes on/distances from partners

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 09:15
probably equal

I'm a little puzzled by the OP

the thread is simple; we just chop Raskol, Chessguy, and HK, and if the wolves haven't slaughtered Argon for claiming cop we circle back and chop him

Interesting.

Lewwyn
04-23-2021, 09:17
Yes, and because my thoughts about Csargo were "unease" but my thoughts about Dolby were "this is something I see from scum a lot"

The scum "gotta have a reason prepped for voting someone" is pretty classic sure but Dolby has been commenting on everyone, and in that particular post he gave short reads on a lot of different people. I don't particularly agree with his point but in the end... Dolby was commenting on how Rask was lacking substance, but specifically calling out Rask for clearing Tim, which at this point looks like a bad call by Rask. Unless you think Dolby attacking a townie that was TRing Tim was part of the wolfing strat. I don't particularly see this as a set up on Rask, rather as a defined read.

Dolby
04-23-2021, 09:17
I think Tim pushed on him the way he pushes on/distances from partners

Describe please

Dolby
04-23-2021, 09:26
Interesting.

When I was going through Tims ISO I decided to skip that since it seemed deliberately facetious/mainly joking

Lewwyn
04-23-2021, 09:27
Panda feels townie to me for reasons I can't currently explain.

Can you explain the reasons now? Or is this part of Monty being a bastard?

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 09:28
The scum "gotta have a reason prepped for voting someone" is pretty classic sure but Dolby has been commenting on everyone, and in that particular post he gave short reads on a lot of different people. I don't particularly agree with his point but in the end... Dolby was commenting on how Rask was lacking substance, but specifically calling out Rask for clearing Tim, which at this point looks like a bad call by Rask. Unless you think Dolby attacking a townie that was TRing Tim was part of the wolfing strat. I don't particularly see this as a set up on Rask, rather as a defined read.

So you're saying Dolby is lock town?

Lewwyn
04-23-2021, 09:28
This feels like a very shy thread. Anyone could be a scummy scum scum. I read it all and am happily clueless.:help:

Are you still happily clueless? You didn't vote in the last lynch.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 09:28
I think it's clear.

he's frustrated at the lack of development in thread. Yeah it can come from mafia, yeah it can be faked by mafia, but I just like it.
I like Dolby for liking this.

I don't.

If you know something can come from mafia, and something can be faked by mafia, then logically the default position is "this is null" at best. Feels like an EZ TR on C4P0.

Lewwyn
04-23-2021, 09:30
So you're saying Dolby is lock town?

I'm saying I disagree with your assessment with that particular comment, and overall I find him pretty townie. But no I won't lock him on the beginning of Day 2.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 09:31
Good morning fellow space citizens!

Page 1 - It looks like there's a wolf in csargo/rask. Dolby feels good. Borg guts town for fake derping.
Page 2 - I guess both wolves and towns posted on the page, but nothing decisive.
Page 3 - Lewwyn's choice of posts to respond to is noteworthy, but too light to be alignment indicative. Csargo being more active than usual is mildly unsettling.

Overall, not much to talk about yet. HK and Csargo could be waffles together, if Rask town, but that's a nasty association I got here. HK's approach to this game feels slightly diferent than the last time, but my alignment was different back then and It was easy to see towniness in his posts.
Rask feels really hyped for this game despite claiming light disappointment about his role. I haven't decided if it's a good look yet.
C4 posted enough for me to notice them, but that's all I can say about their posts with certainty.
Tim not flooding the gates with posts probably should be a villa lean, but it would be a meh meta lean.

Villa leans: Dolby, Borg
Scum potential: Rask, Csargo, HK

I like this post slightly less on re-read. Cap drops from TR to null.

Lewwyn
04-23-2021, 09:33
I don't.

If you know something can come from mafia, and something can be faked by mafia, then logically the default position is "this is null" at best. Feels like an EZ TR on C4P0.

If the default is "this is null" then you shouldn't dislike it either.

Lewwyn
04-23-2021, 09:34
I like this post slightly less on re-read. Cap drops from TR to null.

In particular is it his soft meta TR on Tim?

Lewwyn
04-23-2021, 09:46
This interaction between C4 and Panda:


hk is town

Response:


What's your policy here , make a post saying "This guy is town" after he places some read sort of stuff? Posting D1 reads are wolfy , while I questioned zelda's alignment , I actually contradicted my words over the fact that D1 reads are wolfish.
How did the contradiction escape your eyes?


vote:c4

Reason: Townreads me for a one liner contradictory post

Response:


What the fuck


This whole... "reads don't exist on D1" thing you're doing...

It's dumb. I'm sorry but it's just dumb.



would be perfectly happy chopping panda/pzelda/raskol

Think Panda's a misguided townie. He seems to really believe this snippet of mafia theory he's using.

I don't particularly agree with C4's eventual opinion on Panda being misguided. Panda's interaction feels a bit obfuscatory, also claiming "didn't you see the mistake I made? you must be scum" is like a bad gotcha moment. I don't think Panda moves on from this from the rest of the day. I would like to hear Panda's take on C4's innocence.

Lewwyn
04-23-2021, 10:00
Player list looks fun. I can read these people:

hollowkatt
Raskol (but never seen him woofin)
Tim
Gnome (in turbos with 100% accuracy, slightly less in normal speed games)

I've also played before with LA, Nanook, Csar and Cap so feel comfortable reading them. If I think any are woofin, I'll let you know.


Are any of them woofing? What's the read on Gnome? Still suss on Csar?

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 10:02
Lew white-knighting Dolby a LOT since pretty early D1 and continuing now. Might be worth looking into if Dolby flips V

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 10:03
Are any of them woofing? What's the read on Gnome? Still suss on Csar?

HK maybe. Gnome is null, Csar is meh.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 10:04
In particular is it his soft meta TR on Tim?

No, it's that his post doesn't have an organic feel to it.

Lewwyn
04-23-2021, 10:08
Lew white-knighting Dolby a LOT since pretty early D1 and continuing now. Might be worth looking into if Dolby flips V

Sure am.

More specifically looking into your suspicion of him because I'm not sure about you.

Lewwyn
04-23-2021, 10:09
No, it's that his post doesn't have an organic feel to it.

mnnnnn agree with that

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 10:23
If the default is "this is null" then you shouldn't dislike it either.

I don't dislike C4's post at all (he's dead and town). I dislike Dolby's TR on what I think he should consider null based on his own comments.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 10:23
mnnnnn agree with that

If pzelda flips V, power-lynch Lew

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 10:37
I really don't have much to go on other than we don't need to worry about Tim. My cop check on him has shown me that he will be mechanically a no factor.

BP's insistence that Tim = V probably comes from Town. I've only played with LA/BP a couple of times but I don't think he's the sort of player to insist on a fake green check on a bro.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 10:38
I'm just gonna give Gnome a pass for today.

BorgPicard
04-23-2021, 11:57
BP's insistence that Tim = V probably comes from Town. I've only played with LA/BP a couple of times but I don't think he's the sort of player to insist on a fake green check on a bro.

If you look at my later posts my check turns less green and more red.

NANOOK
04-23-2021, 12:35
Describe please

I think pushed on you the way he pushes on/distances from partners

NANOOK
04-23-2021, 12:37
If I post the same joke again without skipping a word can we all just pretend it never happened

NANOOK
04-23-2021, 12:37
Describe please

I think Tim pushed on you the way he pushes on/distances from partners

NANOOK
04-23-2021, 12:38
There we go, a funny and witty joke successfully made with zero hiccups or false steps

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 14:51
still think hk looks good though, just seems weird re:Tims

why am I weird re;Tims?

Garden Gnome
04-23-2021, 14:52
Are you still happily clueless? You didn't vote in the last lynch.

No, I didn't. Kind of by accident. My Wednesday evenings are super busy, and EOD occurred when I wasn't able to post. I intend to vote today, and it does look like people are saying more than they did yesterday.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 15:20
No, I didn't. Kind of by accident. My Wednesday evenings are super busy, and EOD occurred when I wasn't able to post. I intend to vote today, and it does look like people are saying more than they did yesterday.

I liked you better when you were a snake.

~D

pzelda
04-23-2021, 15:34
Before fully catching up, let me tell one thing. I think Tim flipping scum makes HK town for correctly calling out his meta. I think is important, because it was just meta and not HK going head on against Tim.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 15:42
Since I wasn't here for Twilight:

I wanted to vote Rask, but I didn't like Csargo on Rask's wagon, so that put me off voting there.

I voted Dolby because of that post I quoted yesterday, where Dolby said "My issue with Rask is..." and then rattled off some issues. It felt very out of the blue, like "Ahh, Rask is getting some heat, I better prepare a valid reason for suspecting him in case I need to vote him"

And even though I was SRing Rask at the time, I SR'd Dolby more for that.

So,

Vote: Dolby

I'll do a proper re-read when I get to work, I only skimmed a few posts between my last post and EOD.

I don't know what to think about this post. Dolbster looks like an easy townread for me this game. His posts feels like genuine solving and he's not super reliant on meta. All of his findings make sense. Sticking to this read feels weak from you.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 15:44
Probably also worth reminding everyone that this game was advertised as 'slightly bastard' and that Monty is a cunning devil.

Hottake, this guy ain't town. He's too interested in mechanics and the game being bastard.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 15:44
I don't know what to think about this post. Dolbster looks like an easy townread for me this game. His posts feels like genuine solving and he's not super reliant on meta. All of his findings make sense. Sticking to this read feels weak from you.

And yet I'm not losing any sleep over it.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 15:46
HK maybe. Gnome is null, Csar is meh.

Interesting to see you don't have a Gnome read.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 15:55
I need to reread d1, because I'm slightly confused by two totally different groups of reads happening right now.
I wonder if I should stick to rask/csargo w/v impression from page 1.
Gnome/Winston both feel like possible anti-towns. From their early interaction, I got a feeling that they might have a private chat together.
Dolby, HK, Lewwyn feels like towns, but I need to reread or pay more attention to new content from them to confirm this with evidence.
Borg Argon def town.
Ibn and Panda are under radar for me. Panda's posts felt like low impact "safe" posts. Ibn just posted without explaining a lot.
I don't remember a single post from Vroendal.
Nanook is sus, but I'm also currently influenced by Dolby's post.
El feels somehow lacking so far, but I'm sure he can pick it up, if town.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 16:06
El feels somehow lacking so far, but I'm sure he can pick it up, if town.

Doubtful, I'm juggling 3 jobs and haven't had a day off in 12 days.

It's kinda weird that you say I can pick it up "if town" - in my last game I was highest poster and was scum, so it's not like a massive splurge of energy and WIM from me would be AI in any way. I'm just doing what I can with the little time I have at a PC.

Csargo
04-23-2021, 16:52
why am I weird re;Tims?

lack of interactions, easy tr, I just remember thinking you were hands off early game with tims kinda like you didn't want to engage there.

skimming your iso, I think this might be wrong though, and I'm misremembering things.

Csargo
04-23-2021, 16:59
lack of interactions, easy tr, I just remember thinking you were hands off early game with tims kinda like you didn't want to engage there.

skimming your iso, I think this might be wrong though, and I'm misremembering things.

The easy tr part I might be misremembering.

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 17:14
lack of interactions, easy tr, I just remember thinking you were hands off early game with tims kinda like you didn't want to engage there.

skimming your iso, I think this might be wrong though, and I'm misremembering things.

ok, so the exact opposite of what you thought then, got it :)

Csargo
04-23-2021, 17:20
ok, so the exact opposite of what you thought then, got it :)

https://media.giphy.com/media/qnE7DFFqmgdyM/giphy.gif

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 17:25
I think if anyone gave Tim an easy TR it was me tbh

Laurentus
04-23-2021, 17:27
Hey, guys, I apologise for my tardiness. Catching up and getting to know the forums.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 17:37
Doubtful, I'm juggling 3 jobs and haven't had a day off in 12 days.

It's kinda weird that you say I can pick it up "if town" - in my last game I was highest poster and was scum, so it's not like a massive splurge of energy and WIM from me would be AI in any way. I'm just doing what I can with the little time I have at a PC.

I'm not really looking for amount of content, but for moments, which clearly sell you to me as town. I know that you're capable of posting a lot, but you should know that I'm trying to have a different base than pure meta too.

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 17:49
I think if anyone gave Tim an easy TR it was me tbh

Do you still think he's town?

pzelda
04-23-2021, 17:50
We kill tim with fire, I hear you loud and clear


It seems quite abstract from pzelda , he starts reading wolf based on nothing. D1 reads seems quite out of place to me .

Hm, I kind of think this duo hides at least one wolf. Nanook responding in that way to Tim's first post is something I need to further think about. It feels slightly artificial, especially with turning it into a tr.
Panda, I'm biased obv, but I dislike that they're dismissing stuff in their first post without creating anything of their own.


So: early reads...these are obviously subject to development, but will be decisive. Nulls are for wimps.

Argon: in first, claims cop, claims ridiculous n0 check on me, uses avatar basically open referencing that he is a wolf...just another day in the life for him...if he is a wolf he has partners and at least some of those partners would be saying "WTF dude?" because they don't know him. No sign of that discomfort; Argon town.

Chessguy: lots of posts, creates image of "let's get started" by picking at gif posters but doesn't say anything really, overeager to be read on this; probs just a wolf.

Csargo: throwing them gif, but a LOT of them, then shifted to words and stayed overbusy for Csargo; probs a wolf.

Raskol: Emphasizing "disappointed by the rand" which is code for "I claim village," doesn't mention me until he finds a way to be agreeable instead of challenging immediately so trying to stay off radar; probs a wolf.

Dolby: meaningless paragoning of Argon, early read of Chessguy that I disagree with, challenged and stuck to it in a good way. Town.

Hollowkatt: comes in swinging to draw attention, early targeting on Raskol so reval as potential w/w there, seems to be worried about me an appropriate amount. Town

Nanook: enters by establishing slanker cred, immediately threatens to kill the person that helps him. Town


Winston: entry by Hardclaim, no additional posts. lean town

Lewynn: entry is softballed off previous post, but second post indicates reading of full thread, then back to softballing off another entry. Probs wolf

Pzelda: opens with a developed reads post which he just got wolf bombed for last time I saw him and he didn't get bombed for it here. May just have done a better job of it, but... Probs just town.

Panda: points out Pzeldas read post as unique, which is accurate, but wolfs it just for that without challenging the reads. Wolf

Many not posted yet. Gnome, Ibn, Laurentus, El, Vro...get your stuff together.

These three feel the thinnest and as possible fake reads of wolf buddies. Nanook and Panda might be pocket attempts, but there's no reason to tr town winston for his entrance.


Hi, I'm here. Are you town?


This feels like a very shy thread. Anyone could be a scummy scum scum. I read it all and am happily clueless.:help:


I also am without the clues, Queen Gnome. Maybe they all are scum?

The whole GG/Winston conversation feels fake. I can't get over some wording in Gnome's posts such as scum scum and her asking other player if they're town.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 17:54
LA is a paragon, sorry I don't make the rules


fine


Why?


Not really?


this is bleh. Like, it feels like you're picking at the post for the reason that it happens to exist and that I gave the first read.


I feel mildly fine with him. Just vibes


I like Lewwyn for Lewwyn liking me for me liking Chessguy :p



Felt that I could get something in here but not really. I guess it's a good look that he's probably looking in the right spot for page 1, but as Pzelda says, not much to talk about yet. I guess I don't like that there's more scum potential than villa leans but w/e?


I think that Tims has only really made declarative statements?


Talk about these more pls


Bad

So here's my problem with Rask. It feels like he's mashing his mouthparts together and expecting something substantial to come out, but it's not. We've got his second sussing Csargo, that I was writing off as a joke until I saw this



literally everything Tims made at that point was declarative statements which didn't show any process, just an "ok I think that these three people are bad". He makes a "separate post" about Csargo which is all about him wanting to go full throttle for ??? reasons. I can write off the HK and Winston stuff as rask just doing whatever, but it feels like activity for activities sake

We also have this


This is just asking a question for it's own sake. Why would c4 change his read on me? I hadn't posted since

Ok, I need to see how this developed, but it's possible that Dolby tmi-ed Tim scum in his case on Rask.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 17:55
Do you still think he's town?

I'm gonna go with no :dunce:

Csargo
04-23-2021, 17:57
Ok, I need to see how this developed, but it's possible that Dolby tmi-ed Tim scum in his case on Rask.

Could you expand on what you mean here?

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 17:58
Sat in the garden drinking beer, AMA

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 17:59
Could you expand on what you mean here?

Do you have any thoughts about my EZ TR of Tim yesterday?

Csargo
04-23-2021, 18:00
I think if anyone gave Tim an easy TR it was me tbh

Are you the type of player who gives easy TRs to your woof partners?

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:01
Tim can certainly confirm , can he not ?

Panda possibly forcing an interaction with Tim

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:03
Could you expand on what you mean here?

I meant the way he attacked Rask for townreading Tim by pinning down very precisely the problematic nature of Tim's early posts. I don't think anyone else talked about them at that point. It could be a good eye, but in that case we should see more sussing of Tim in Dolby's iso later.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:04
Sat in the garden drinking beer, AMA

Confirmed lupine

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 18:04
Can you explain the reasons now? Or is this part of Monty being a bastard?

I meant that it was a gut reaction (or, more literally, some unconscious heuristic I had yet to identify).

When I reread later on, I'll see if I can figure out what I was seeing there.

Csargo
04-23-2021, 18:04
Do you have any thoughts about my EZ TR of Tim yesterday?

I know very little about you as a player, so not really. I remember you being good, so it doesn't tell me much.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:05
I have experienced wolf who hardly gives anything , and asks everyone about everything. Floods the chat with questions , but stays a miser with answers.

This response to Tim feels kinda forced too from Panda.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:06
unvote

I suppose I ought to start making an effort to read the thread and form opinions about stuff.

Being a civilised creature, however, first I need cocktails, dinner, dancing, and perhaps a little light petting to get me in the mood.

On the other hand, maybe I'll just smash a microwaveable doner kebab and four wicked-strength cheap lagers through my facehole while watching some shit on the telly.

Either way, I'll be back at some point before eod to attempt a degree of actual participation.

p.s. Anyone who reads me as anything other than straight null up to and including this point is either lying or wrong.

the best slank cover post ever

Csargo
04-23-2021, 18:08
I meant the way he attacked Rask for townreading Tim by pinning down very precisely the problematic nature of Tim's early posts. I don't think anyone else talked about them at that point. It could be a good eye, but in that case we should see more sussing of Tim in Dolby's iso later.

I think Dolby did sus Tim at EoD iirc. I don't think it was for Tim's early posts though, but for how Tim was going after Dolby at EoD. I need to go back and read EoD, but I'm pretty sure that was the case.

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 18:11
Hottake, this guy ain't town. He's too interested in mechanics and the game being bastard.

Not so much being interested in mechanics (that's not in my meta in any direction), as having actually read the host's posts and feeling like nobody else had.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:12
Town #2 identified


El landing hard on the thread is a town read for now.

Not gonna lie, I don't like El's early posts. It looks like he townread my long post just to justify reading Tim's long post later. I wonder why he skipped other posts in between.
Also, Tim immediately returning the favour is meh-ish.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:15
Town #2 identified


Never lynching here today.


Lewwyn looks townie enough, though I would warn against underestimating his ability to fake it.


HK feels natural. And being the top poster by a distance, I'm never voting here d1.

towny string of posts bei Winston.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 18:17
Are you the type of player who gives easy TRs to your woof partners?

*thinks*

Depends on the partner. If it's someone I like, consider competent enough to handle the bromance and genuinely want to survive as long as possible with, then yes.

If they're baggage, no.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:21
Town #2 identified


Never lynching here today.


Lewwyn looks townie enough, though I would warn against underestimating his ability to fake it.


D1 Reads:
Town leans -
El-A - Opening reads very townie to me, puts in immediate effort to lock down his thoughts on thread, asks for clarification on posts through read-through.
CutePanda - Makes a post that catches flak, claims it was a contradictory bait. Calls on others to defend him for his activity. I will vouch that I’ve seen CP make plays like this before as town and that I’m doubtful he would take this approach as scum. Has a confusing ISO.
hollowkat - High amount of analysis in general, provides unique takes on players such as Rask, LA,
c4 - Early game indicative of townie WIM, shields HK, calls a weird post by CP townie while taking it as face value which is mehhh, bemoans post-count multiple times, makes a decent push on pzelda.
Lewwyn - Has been sheeping a few reads. Has broached on the idea of Winston/Garden being suspicious.
Raskolnikov - I have absolutely no read on his posts, I’m more inclined to town-read the way he went about interacting with Csargo and Winston, felt townier.
Tim - Makes a very detailed reads-list and attempts to take charge early. Makes high-effort analysis on defending players such as LA. Would be higher but I don’t trust him at all.

Nulls -
Dolby - Dayshielded LA for reasons I don’t quite understand, has cross-examined multiple posts.
BorgPicard - Conforms to own claiming meta, changes up his claim.
pzelda - First post is analysis, I was unable to establish any read based on his posts.
Csargo - Posted too many gifs, has been cross-examining.
Laurentus - Has yet to post. Will likely not post today. He has done this as town and scum.
Nanook - Conforms to own WIL meta.

Scum leans -
Ibn-Khaldun - Makes opportunistic vote to see tie, attacks LA for being anti-town, probably not w/w with LA.
Garden Gnome - Leads with nothing, interaction with Winston feels forced. Complains of lack of information. Opportunistically pushes BorgPicard based on jokes. Made a distancing poke at Winston for voting HK.
Winston - First post is a “Muller” hardclaim, forces players to use google translate, omgus votes Rask. Makes promise to analyze. Spams thread near EoD. Has been pursuing a wolfy playstyle intentionally.

Winston why are you town?

A lot of commentary in this list (look at these nulls) and the read on tim smells of w/w, especially the I don't trust him part.

Vote: Vroendal

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:22
Not so much being interested in mechanics (that's not in my meta in any direction), as having actually read the host's posts and feeling like nobody else had.

You're right, I haven't read them yet.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:24
I'm standing with my initial read there. Pzelda has a history of being kinda lackadasical on day one and getting caught woofin' before he settles in. The way his first post went by without stirring an immediate alarm sort of seems like town Pzelda. Not a "wait for LYLO and look again" read by any stretch but I think there are better places to go today.

Raskol needs to show up here.

Dolby is looking worse every time I look.

I'd run either of them out ahead of Pzelda.

Yeah, Csargo, this is kind of a good look for Dolby.

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 18:25
Gnome/Winston both feel like possible anti-towns. From their early interaction, I got a feeling that they might have a private chat together.

Really?

I mean, I do like to hang the odd lampshade, but I'm not a total maniac.

As scum, the margin of error is too small to be making such blatant associations just for the lulz.

Of course, I'm not expecting anyone to treat Gnome and I as mutually exclusive in the wolf stakes. Shit gets faked all the time.

But the idea that our exchange supports a theory of mutual scumhood is kinda worryingly weak.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 18:25
Confirmed lupine

Confirmed CARLSBERG

Fear my Danish imports

Csargo
04-23-2021, 18:26
*thinks*

Depends on the partner. If it's someone I like, consider competent enough to handle the bromance and genuinely want to survive as long as possible with, then yes.

If they're baggage, no.

So yeah, I don't think it's telling at all, which is about what I expected.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 18:28
unvote

I suppose I ought to start making an effort to read the thread and form opinions about stuff.

Being a civilised creature, however, first I need cocktails, dinner, dancing, and perhaps a little light petting to get me in the mood.

On the other hand, maybe I'll just smash a microwaveable doner kebab and four wicked-strength cheap lagers through my facehole while watching some shit on the telly.

Either way, I'll be back at some point before eod to attempt a degree of actual participation.

p.s. Anyone who reads me as anything other than straight null up to and including this point is either lying or wrong.

I didn't realise Winston was British.

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 18:28
Although, that said, it's so weak I'd be surprised if cap went there if he was scum in this situation, so...

:dancing:

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 18:29
Not gonna lie, I don't like El's early posts. It looks like he townread my long post just to justify reading Tim's long post later. I wonder why he skipped other posts in between.
Also, Tim immediately returning the favour is meh-ish.

I'm not sure what you mean. I read pages 1-7, commented on anything that caught my eye, then went to bed. At that point there were still posts in the game I hadn't read, but there were a whole bunch of nothing-posts that I just outright ignored because they were talk about gifs and stuff and I really didn't care.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 18:31
There we go, a funny and witty joke successfully made with zero hiccups or false steps

NANOOK talk to me bro

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:31
I'm not willing to vote Dolby, I'm not convinced on Rask, voting CP is just a bad idea in general.

Vote - Winston Hughes

I'm glad you've enjoyed yourself, I like you as a player. Unfortunately, you're a wolf, and I can't stand for that.

So, Raskol was in the lead at this point and this feels like Vro made a safe vote (without an actual real push to make his candidate hang imho)
El/Tim pair has the most synergy.
Vro is the scummiest player in the thread, but their interactions with Tim are fairly good.
I think I want to go individual scumread over association and a weaker scumread, tho.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 18:34
El/Tim pair has the most synergy.


Of course they do, he was pretty much the only one around for the whole of the 1.5 hours I was online during D1 :P

Get better at mafia pls

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:34
Really?

I mean, I do like to hang the odd lampshade, but I'm not a total maniac.

As scum, the margin of error is too small to be making such blatant associations just for the lulz.

Of course, I'm not expecting anyone to treat Gnome and I as mutually exclusive in the wolf stakes. Shit gets faked all the time.

But the idea that our exchange supports a theory of mutual scumhood is kinda worryingly weak.

Tbh, thinking it over, your response (are they all scum or something like that) is witty and looks good. My initial impression was that the two of you might be some kind of masons/lovers, but seeing the context of your other interactions, it's just Gnome, who feels iffy.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:36
I'm not sure what you mean. I read pages 1-7, commented on anything that caught my eye, then went to bed. At that point there were still posts in the game I hadn't read, but there were a whole bunch of nothing-posts that I just outright ignored because they were talk about gifs and stuff and I really didn't care.

tbh, i find it quite difficult to sr you in general, because your tone is great, but i honestly haven't seen anything what would make you town in my eyes in this game so far.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:38
Of course they do, he was pretty much the only one around for the whole of the 1.5 hours I was online during D1 :P

Get better at mafia pls

Now, this personal attack - I find it scummy because you're trying to make me feel bad about my reads. Not gonna happen, my friend. I feel bad about them all the time. That's why I post so many vague shades early on as town.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 18:38
tbh, i find it quite difficult to sr you in general, because your tone is great, but i honestly haven't seen anything what would make you town in my eyes in this game so far.

I can't really help you with that tbh

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 18:39
Now, this personal attack - I find it scummy because you're trying to make me feel bad about my reads. Not gonna happen, my friend. I feel bad about them all the time. That's why I post so many vague shades early on as town.

That was actually a joke - being good at mafia has nothing to do with me being online for only 1.5 hours of D1. British humour just doesn't translate well on the interweb.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:40
Tiers I guess :inquisitive:

VVV - Lewwyn, HK, Borg
VV - Winston, Dolby, Csargo, NANOOK
V
NULL - Laurentus, Ibn
W - Cute Panda
WW - El, Garden Gnome
WWW - Vroendal

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:42
That was actually a joke - being good at mafia has nothing to do with me being online for only 1.5 hours of D1. British humour just doesn't translate well on the interweb.

Cool then, It looked like you were faking saltiness. Tbh, I probably need to get distance from you to avoid tunneling you right now.

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 18:42
I didn't realise Winston was British.

It's worse than that: I'm an Essex boy. :pimp2:

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:47
Btw, C4 like Vro's wall and I disagree.

Also, one thing worth mention about Panda is that they scumread both me and C4 instead of siding with one of us (I didn't scumread C4, but I also couldn't find anything reliable to tr them for). That's more likely a towny stance than not. I think a wolf would be more likely to side to get townread from one of the sides.
Still, Panda's just below the null line for overall content in my reads, because I need to see reads/takes on more players from them.

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 18:47
British humour just doesn't translate well on the interweb.

:bow:

Dolby
04-23-2021, 18:48
Tiers I guess :inquisitive:

VVV - Lewwyn, HK, Borg
VV - Winston, Dolby, Csargo, NANOOK
V
NULL - Laurentus, Ibn
W - Cute Panda
WW - El, Garden Gnome
WWW - Vroendal

why this one?

also I'm personally hesitant to putting LA top tier but think he's probs just town

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 18:48
British humour just doesn't translate well on the interweb.

:bow:

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 18:49
ffs

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 18:51
I want to hit the postcap, but not like this... :shame:

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 18:52
Don't worry, I've never hit 200 posts/day in my life.

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 18:58
Cool then, It looked like you were faking saltiness. Tbh, I probably need to get distance from you to avoid tunneling you right now.

If you think I'm scum you SHOULD tunnel me to prevent me murdering you in your sleep. Plus I'm like third on your scum list, so.


It's worse than that: I'm an Essex boy. :pimp2:

OH NOES! :wreck:

pzelda
04-23-2021, 18:59
why this one?

also I'm personally hesitant to putting LA top tier but think he's probs just town

I probably put Nanook too high and he should be a tier lower because of Tim's posts. I think his provoking declarations about killing tim are more likely a reckless town without any developed reads just making noise than distancing. Tim possibly tried to pocket Nanook in his wall too. Nanook on his own, without associations, feels like a low effort town too.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 19:03
I want to see more Vroendal takes.

Also, going to take a shower and leave my apartment for few hours. Have a good chat, fellas.

pzelda
04-23-2021, 19:04
I want to see more Vroendal takes.

Also, going to take a shower and leave my apartment for few hours. Have a good chat, fellas.

Dolby
04-23-2021, 19:11
As mentioned yesterday, I picked up a hint of possible scum theatre from Tim vs. Lewwyn.

I have to head off to work now (wouldn't have posted at all if it wasn't for everyone missing the alien werewolf slavering in the corner), but that's certainly something I'll be looking more closely at this evening.

talk to me about Lewwyn


HK maybe. Gnome is null, Csar is meh.
"maybe" doesn't really tell me anything for HK. not sure if this is null or sus


BP's insistence that Tim = V probably comes from Town. I've only played with LA/BP a couple of times but I don't think he's the sort of player to insist on a fake green check on a bro.
Think BP is town, particularly for how his take on Tims varied so widely over the day and not even with hte few places he was pressured, but this is ignoring the context that no one is taking an LA cop claim seriously


I'm just gonna give Gnome a pass for today.
Why? Everything that I've seen from them has not felt great

Nanook has a good chance of being town and I hate it

pzelda's progression on Winston specifically today is fine. Actually looking back I don't like his mason read on Winston/GG but I think it's w/e


I meant the way he attacked Rask for townreading Tim by pinning down very precisely the problematic nature of Tim's early posts. I don't think anyone else talked about them at that point. It could be a good eye, but in that case we should see more sussing of Tim in Dolby's iso later.
I left at pretty much that point, came back later, felt that Tims vote on me was the worst of the bunch, decided that he was likely town in the runup to EoD for activity, then decided that he didn't deserve a TL during twilight but don't think I explicitly said that.

I might look into Vro later if required but doubt he's red


So, Raskol was in the lead at this point and this feels like Vro made a safe vote (without an actual real push to make his candidate hang imho)
El/Tim pair has the most synergy.
Vro is the scummiest player in the thread, but their interactions with Tim are fairly good.
I think I want to go individual scumread over association and a weaker scumread, tho.
I think that any vote that isn't me or Rask could be considered a safe vote by this metric

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 19:19
talk to me about Lewwyn

no .

Dolby
04-23-2021, 19:21
no .

is he town or maf?

Dolby
04-23-2021, 19:27
Vote: Garden Gnome

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 19:30
no .

:laugh4:

El-ahrairah
04-23-2021, 19:33
In bed doin me a Voltron on netflix


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Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 20:01
is he town or maf?

are you claiming sk?

~:smoking:

Csargo
04-23-2021, 20:01
no .

~:confused:

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 20:05
~:confused:

no (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/no).

Csargo
04-23-2021, 20:07
no (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/no).

:feedback:

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 20:20
I'm gonna go with no :dunce:

probably that's a good idea

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 20:35
:feedback:

I'm not ready. I had an opinion yesterday that Tim/Lew could be scumtheatre. Seeing the former flip scum raises that prospect today. And while the latter is posting extremely townie, I've seen him scum at RB enough times to know he's capable of convincing fakery. All of which gives my brain reasons to want to read him scummy here - it's a bias trap. I will definitely want to revisit that thought-process, but first I need to rebuild my overall picture by rereading the thread in light of the flips, so I'm not just looking for reasons why I was right.

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 21:30
i'm gonna sheep pzelda b/c he looks smart
vote: Vroendal

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 21:39
Oh, so you're saying I was picking a fight with Winston specifically since he was in the thread at the time of my post. No, I pushed him because he has what I believe to be the clearest wolfy behavior from his lackluster posts throughout the day, making reading his posts purposefully harder by putting one and another language and needlessly stringing out reads into multiple posts, his stilted interactions with another suspicious player, and his lackadaisical vote and unvote on Rask.

I have difficulty analyzing this early and I struggle to articulate my reads, but that doesn't mean I'm making things up based on nothing. El seems like a good player and I respect his effort and playstyle, I can't be El though.

I'm close to reading Vroe non-maf for this post.

The only thing stopping me is that Tim knows how prone I am to hard-townreading people who come at me like Vroe did.

Confidence says occam's razor; paranoia says leave a little asterisk.

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 21:41
i'm gonna sheep pzelda b/c he looks smart
vote: Vroendal

Vroendal here = Daisy in Animal Crossing?

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 21:57
Vroendal here = Daisy in Animal Crossing?

I have no idea. I just thought pzelda had some good posts on page 20

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 21:58
Dolby is truthsome in a way that makes me think not scum, but possibly sk.

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 21:59
Dolby is truthsome in a way that makes me think not scum, but possibly sk.

What's the difference?

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 22:01
What's the difference?

sk can honestly scumhunt

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 22:02
which is why it's the best of all roles

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 22:15
On the other hand, Dolby's been sticking his head out more than is wise for an sk in this situation, and he probably knows better than that.

On the other other hand, I know better than that and it's never stopped me.

sk rand = the temptation of total joy

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 22:31
ok, so why Dolby as SK and not just town?

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 22:40
ok, so why Dolby as SK and not just town?

I'm not saying Dolby is more likely SK than town.

I'm just noting that his truthiness doesn't count against his being the sk.

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 22:43
I'm not saying Dolby is more likely SK than town.

I'm just noting that his truthiness doesn't count against his being the sk.

ok thanks. Do you think it matters finding the SK any time soon?

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 22:53
ok thanks. Do you think it matters finding the SK any time soon?

With scum already a man down, taking out the sk would put us in a good position.

But it's hardly a straightforward task. I think Dolby could be the sk. But I also struggle to think of any player who couldn't be the sk.

We need to keep hunting scum, but also keep in mind that someone being non-scummy doesn't necessarily make them townie.

Garden Gnome
04-23-2021, 23:10
I liked you better when you were a snake.

~D

24726

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 23:11
wish i was the sk

that tim kill must've felt sweet

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 23:13
24726

hello queen gnome

we got one

who should we kill next?

Garden Gnome
04-23-2021, 23:15
[QUOTE=El-ahrairah;2053820728]I liked you better when you were a snake.

24728

Garden Gnome
04-23-2021, 23:15
hello queen gnome

we got one

who should we kill next?

let's kill another scum!!!!

Garden Gnome
04-23-2021, 23:16
wish i was the sk

that tim kill must've felt sweet

me, too. Random kills are fun.

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 23:16
let's kill another scum!!!!

yes

i like this plan

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 23:16
wish the wolves would have killed me :( thinking is dumb

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 23:17
me, too. Random kills are fun.

you think timkill random?

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 23:22
wish the wolves would have killed me :( thinking is dumb

in terms of sheer joy:

chopped D1 as town is the third best outcome

killed N1 as town is the second best outcome

endgaming as sk is the best outcome

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 23:24
ymmv

Dolby
04-23-2021, 23:27
in terms of sheer joy:

chopped D1 as town is the third best outcome

killed N1 as town is the second best outcome

endgaming as sk is the best outcome

this series of posts will be incredibly funny postgame if this is SK Winston

Dolby
04-23-2021, 23:30
HK help

GG who's town and who's scum?

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 23:35
this series of posts will be incredibly funny postgame if this is SK Winston

:jester:

Garden Gnome
04-23-2021, 23:36
you think timkill random?

if it was an SK that did it, yes. The SK doesn't care about the alignment of their victim. If it was a vig, no, definitely not random.

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 23:37
HK help

GG who's town and who's scum?

help you with what?

Garden Gnome
04-23-2021, 23:38
HK help

GG who's town and who's scum?

I know that I am town.
hollowkatt is town, I think.
Let' me try to give some ideas about the others in another post.

Dolby
04-23-2021, 23:41
help you with what?

gimme takes

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 23:42
if it was an SK that did it, yes. The SK doesn't care about the alignment of their victim. If it was a vig, no, definitely not random.

The SK should care about the alignment of their victims, but also about the abilities of their victims.

Taking out a scum was probably a win for the sk last night, but they'd have been better off if the target had been a more powerful role, whether town or scum.

Dolby
04-23-2021, 23:43
if it was an SK that did it, yes. The SK doesn't care about the alignment of their victim. If it was a vig, no, definitely not random.

Unvote

think that GG is just behind thread

or putting in effort into pretending to be so

either way don't want to yeet for that

do got to say, saw their last post, but I still don't like what GG and IK had to say about BorgPicard yesterday

hollowkatt
04-23-2021, 23:47
gimme takes

after dinner I'll give you a full run down.
Hot takes: you're town, winston town, gnome town, pzelda town
el not town

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 23:51
slightly bastard


id in if i could :(


Maybe ol' Visor will live the mission out yet.

vote: sergeant visorslash

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 23:53
el not town

paint that picture for me

Winston Hughes
04-23-2021, 23:57
I know that I am town.

This feels like a lie.

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 00:09
This feels like a lie.

...is something I should've held off saying until you'd posted your reads.

:shame:

hollowkatt
04-24-2021, 00:09
paint that picture for me

can't, sorry.

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 00:10
can't, sorry.

touché

hollowkatt
04-24-2021, 00:16
gimme takes

Townies:
HK
Dolby
Winston
Gnome
pzelda

Lean Townie:
Borg


Wolfy:
El
Vroendal
panda

need to post moar:
Ibn
Laurentus
Csargo
Nanook
Lew

generally speaking, if you're in the townie bucket, it's because I like what you're doing, or you've had a post or two that I really jibed with, or you have made posts I generally agree with. You can ask me for more details on whomever

Panda I remember not liking yesterday, and don't remember anything from them today that changes my mind. Vroendal I'm sheeping pzelda on b/c I think they're a paragon of townieness. El it's a gut thing that I cannot explain at all but I want to kill him.

Borg is basically an always lean town till he's not.

The people who I have as needs to post more just need to post more for me to get a read on them.

Dolby
04-24-2021, 00:20
Can you tell me how Pzelda flipped from yesterday for you?

hollowkatt
04-24-2021, 00:20
touché

he just feels wrong. As soon as I can put words to it I will. I expect him to be displeased with this read

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 00:20
Townies:
HK
Dolby
Winston
Gnome
pzelda

Lean Townie:
Borg


Wolfy:
El
Vroendal
panda

need to post moar:
Ibn
Laurentus
Csargo
Nanook
Lew

generally speaking, if you're in the townie bucket, it's because I like what you're doing, or you've had a post or two that I really jibed with, or you have made posts I generally agree with. You can ask me for more details on whomever

Panda I remember not liking yesterday, and don't remember anything from them today that changes my mind. Vroendal I'm sheeping pzelda on b/c I think they're a paragon of townieness. El it's a gut thing that I cannot explain at all but I want to kill him.

Borg is basically an always lean town till he's not.

The people who I have as needs to post more just need to post more for me to get a read on them.

i want to hate this but i can't

if hk is scum, it's a work of art

am i being too generous?

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 00:22
he just feels wrong. As soon as I can put words to it I will. I expect him to be displeased with this read

if this is scum, i can only take my hat off

Dolby
04-24-2021, 00:22
Also gotta ask

how is Gnome distinctly towny rn for you?

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 00:23
am i too susceptible to hk's style here?

hollowkatt
04-24-2021, 00:27
Can you tell me how Pzelda flipped from yesterday for you?

I really really like the posts he made today. They read like town trying to solve and make sense of things and they don't feel contrived or forced. Like he is stream of consciousness posting and solving.


I probably put Nanook too high and he should be a tier lower because of Tim's posts. I think his provoking declarations about killing tim are more likely a reckless town without any developed reads just making noise than distancing. Tim possibly tried to pocket Nanook in his wall too. Nanook on his own, without associations, feels like a low effort town too.


You're right, I haven't read them yet.


Yeah, Csargo, this is kind of a good look for Dolby.


Before fully catching up, let me tell one thing. I think Tim flipping scum makes HK town for correctly calling out his meta. I think is important, because it was just meta and not HK going head on against Tim.








Since I wasn't here for Twilight:

I wanted to vote Rask, but I didn't like Csargo on Rask's wagon, so that put me off voting there.

I voted Dolby because of that post I quoted yesterday, where Dolby said "My issue with Rask is..." and then rattled off some issues. It felt very out of the blue, like "Ahh, Rask is getting some heat, I better prepare a valid reason for suspecting him in case I need to vote him"

And even though I was SRing Rask at the time, I SR'd Dolby more for that.

So,

Vote: Dolby

I'll do a proper re-read when I get to work, I only skimmed a few posts between my last post and EOD.


I don't know what to think about this post. Dolbster looks like an easy townread for me this game. His posts feels like genuine solving and he's not super reliant on meta. All of his findings make sense. Sticking to this read feels weak from you.


I need to reread d1, because I'm slightly confused by two totally different groups of reads happening right now.
I wonder if I should stick to rask/csargo w/v impression from page 1.
Gnome/Winston both feel like possible anti-towns. From their early interaction, I got a feeling that they might have a private chat together.
Dolby, HK, Lewwyn feels like towns, but I need to reread or pay more attention to new content from them to confirm this with evidence.
Borg Argon def town.
Ibn and Panda are under radar for me. Panda's posts felt like low impact "safe" posts. Ibn just posted without explaining a lot.
I don't remember a single post from Vroendal.
Nanook is sus, but I'm also currently influenced by Dolby's post.
El feels somehow lacking so far, but I'm sure he can pick it up, if town.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053820751&viewfull=1#post2053820751

I don't think pzelda wolf makes these. He's not expanding poe, he's not pushing weird posts or looking for angle gotchas, he's just making solid posts.

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 00:30
I really really like the posts he made today. They read like town trying to solve and make sense of things and they don't feel contrived or forced. Like he is stream of consciousness posting and solving.

:yes:

hollowkatt
04-24-2021, 00:32
Also gotta ask

how is Gnome distinctly towny rn for you?

Here's my list from about mid point yesterday or so

townies (not ordered)
El
Tim
Winston
Dolby
C4
Gnome
Lewwyn

Dunno
Everyone who's not already named

Do Day Murder To (not ordered)
BorgPicard
Raskol
pzelda
Panda

Gnome hasn't fallen out of the townies bucket... yet

Csargo
04-24-2021, 00:32
vote: sergeant visorslash

Vote:WH

hollowkatt
04-24-2021, 00:33
i want to hate this but i can't

if hk is scum, it's a work of art

am i being too generous?

You're being far too generous. I'd push me for that list

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 00:35
Vote:WH

:sweatdrop:

Csargo
04-24-2021, 00:36
Dolby is truthsome in a way that makes me think not scum, but possibly sk.

possible, I felt bad about Dolby at the start of the game, reminiscent of the Zack game, but analysis wise it's more inline with t!Dolby

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 00:37
possible, I felt bad about Dolby at the start of the game, reminiscent of the Zack game, but analysis wise it's more inline with t!Dolby

What about Dolby reminded you of the Zack game?

Csargo
04-24-2021, 00:39
:sweatdrop:

:bow:

Csargo
04-24-2021, 00:47
What about Dolby reminded you of the Zack game?

The town read on c4 felt very similar to how he tr w!Esooa in Zack's game. It seemed like a more casual version of that to me.

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 00:48
You're being far too generous. I'd push me for that list

do you have any good reason to scumread me here?

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 00:49
The town read on c4 felt very similar to how he tr w!Esooa in Zack's game. It seemed like a more casual version of that to me.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounds plausible. +1

Dolby
04-24-2021, 00:50
Ibn-Khaldun

think this is needed

Csargo
04-24-2021, 00:53
I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounds plausible. +1

I try. you probably had to be there.

Dolby
04-24-2021, 01:12
every time I look at Pzelda I feel that what I'm thinking isn't good

Trying to read IK, I kinda want to say his choice his to respond to Tims is maybe slightly not w/w but honestly I'm grasping at whatever straws I can because there mathematically has to be town among the people who decided to kinda push LA D1 for his cop shenanigans. Still think that going after Csargo was is alright given the context of the time, but also noticed that it follows the dicohotomy that Pzelda put forward earlier

I keep on thinking that Csargo is lightly town without seeing anything that sets it for me

I think that HK was doing not-mafia stuff during most parts of D1.

I think that Borg's choices in interaction with Tims over the course of the day is probably not mafia, but I am not committing to this read. I do think that he's generally town tbh, but again, unwilling to set it

Not seeing any reason to read GG town

Might actually move Lewwyn down a bit because thinking about it again I think that the Tims interactions that sold him to me are fakeable. I like almost all of his takes still, like in here


It felt like a pretty honest interaction to me. Dolby reads c4 as being more frustrated by the slower speed of development of the thread, and I think it's a good read.

Since then I think C4 has also leaned more town for me with his HK read, and Dolby has also continued to feel pretty townie, rather open and easy in manner.

Here's a bone: I think that LA and [REDACTED] both have heightened SK potential

gtg rn

hollowkatt
04-24-2021, 01:23
do you have any good reason to scumread me here?

I town read you lol

Lewwyn
04-24-2021, 01:35
I'm not ready. I had an opinion yesterday that Tim/Lew could be scumtheatre. Seeing the former flip scum raises that prospect today. And while the latter is posting extremely townie, I've seen him scum at RB enough times to know he's capable of convincing fakery. All of which gives my brain reasons to want to read him scummy here - it's a bias trap. I will definitely want to revisit that thought-process, but first I need to rebuild my overall picture by rereading the thread in light of the flips, so I'm not just looking for reasons why I was right.

Thanks for the faith in my skill. :bow:

I don't know as many people in this game so I've played it very straight. Luckily I'm just town so all I need to do is hunt scum.

Lewwyn
04-24-2021, 01:46
No, I didn't. Kind of by accident. My Wednesday evenings are super busy, and EOD occurred when I wasn't able to post. I intend to vote today, and it does look like people are saying more than they did yesterday.


I know that I am town.
hollowkatt is town, I think.
Let' me try to give some ideas about the others in another post.

Vote : Gnome

So I get the missing the vote, fine, but I don't think you've provided many reads beyond yourself and HK this game. I'm not a big fan of the being pushed into making reads and then not saying anything. You've been actively engaged in the conversation, but haven't really shown a critical eye to it. Since you're going to vote today who's it going to be?

Lewwyn
04-24-2021, 02:15
Dolby is truthsome in a way that makes me think not scum, but possibly sk.


On the other hand, Dolby's been sticking his head out more than is wise for an sk in this situation, and he probably knows better than that.

On the other other hand, I know better than that and it's never stopped me.

sk rand = the temptation of total joy

So Sk, but not Sk, but maybe Sk anyway. Got it. :laugh4:

Lewwyn
04-24-2021, 02:18
Townies:
El it's a gut thing that I cannot explain at all but I want to kill him.


Do you think that gut thing is contagious?

pzelda
04-24-2021, 02:21
I'm close to reading Vroe non-maf for this post.

The only thing stopping me is that Tim knows how prone I am to hard-townreading people who come at me like Vroe did.

Confidence says occam's razor; paranoia says leave a little asterisk.

What exactly makes you townlean vroe in that post? The way he scumread you for fairly good reasons or the way he compared himself to el? I think the former is a good list to sr someone, but it might be too focused on picturing you as scum, while being very articulate (in direct contrast to the second part of the post, where Vroe claimed that he couldn't analyze that early) to be a town post. Like my impression is that earl scumreads coming from town are way more chaotic than cleanly posting all reasons for a sr without a hint of doubt.

I know I might be wrong and call me out if you think differently.

NANOOK
04-24-2021, 02:41
Am I universally townread yet?

Garden Gnome
04-24-2021, 02:58
Unvote

think that GG is just behind thread

or putting in effort into pretending to be so

either way don't want to yeet for that

do got to say, saw their last post, but I still don't like what GG and IK had to say about BorgPicard yesterday

borgpicard was just being ridiculous. What is your opinion?

Lewwyn
04-24-2021, 03:00
Am I universally townread yet?

nope.

NANOOK
04-24-2021, 03:02
nope.

Ok, ill check again later

Garden Gnome
04-24-2021, 03:07
Vote : Gnome

So I get the missing the vote, fine, but I don't think you've provided many reads beyond yourself and HK this game. I'm not a big fan of the being pushed into making reads and then not saying anything. You've been actively engaged in the conversation, but haven't really shown a critical eye to it. Since you're going to vote today who's it going to be?

I don't have a clue. You may as well leave your vote there. I don't like the asking questions while simultaneously voting maneuver. In my opinion, it just looks like your goal is intimidation, rather than an actual discussion of the game. Is that your intention?

Lewwyn
04-24-2021, 03:20
I don't have a clue. You may as well leave your vote there. I don't like the asking questions while simultaneously voting maneuver. In my opinion, it just looks like your goal is intimidation, rather than an actual discussion of the game. Is that your intention?

If you like I could ask questions and vote for you in two separate posts but that seems inefficient. I voted for you because I felt like you were being evasive in your approach, I asked the question to see who you'd vote for, or to see who you'd suspect. As it is you can take it or leave it. You're still being evasive and defensive. It's still early in the day and I've made it clear there are a number of people I'm suspicious of. If you want to have an actual discussion of the game, my perception of your evasiveness is part of it. To say I'm only trying to be intimidating is disingenuous if you've actually been following my play. My vote is simply an extension of my current thoughts.

hollowkatt
04-24-2021, 03:21
Do you think that gut thing is contagious?

Probably yeah. I mean I wear a mask while I'm posting but you never know

hollowkatt
04-24-2021, 03:23
Am I universally townread yet?

yeah sure whatever

NANOOK
04-24-2021, 03:29
yeah sure whatever

NICE

My work here is done, pack it in boys

hollowkatt
04-24-2021, 03:36
NICE

My work here is done, pack it in boys

I think you have to leave a legacy or something tho

NANOOK
04-24-2021, 04:07
I think you have to leave a legacy or something tho

My legacy is you're town Dolby is not

I kind of think lewyn is town too but idk.

El might be too idk

Montmorency
04-24-2021, 04:59
HOST NOTICE

Protip: Writeups are intended to be read.

All players must at least cast a vote today to meet participation requirements.



HOST TALLY 2-1

Vroendal (2): Zelda, Hollow
Dolby (1): El-A
Visorslash (1): Winston
Winston (1): Csargo
Gnome (1): Lewwyn

Not Voting (8): Dolby, Gnome, Ibn, Borg, Nanook, Laurentus, Vro, Panda


Movement

[Dolby] Gnome >> Unvote


EOD 2

CutePanda
04-24-2021, 05:08
It was a bad read from my part.

NANOOK
04-24-2021, 05:09
vote: dolby

CutePanda
04-24-2021, 05:09
This interaction between C4 and Panda:



Response:





Response:







I don't particularly agree with C4's eventual opinion on Panda being misguided. Panda's interaction feels a bit obfuscatory, also claiming "didn't you see the mistake I made? you must be scum" is like a bad gotcha moment. I don't think Panda moves on from this from the rest of the day. I would like to hear Panda's take on C4's innocence.

I was wrong

CutePanda
04-24-2021, 05:14
Panda possibly forcing an interaction with Tim

Honestly , I wanted people to see that post , check the quote above. That should be enough proof I will never have reasons to hide a w!Tim , and trying to pin a veteran wolf as a player , in his very first wolf game , is improbable . Please note , I am yet to have a wolf game , this one is not mu debut as wolf either.

CutePanda
04-24-2021, 05:16
This response to Tim feels kinda forced too from Panda.

How do you explain forced interactions, it seems abstract.

CutePanda
04-24-2021, 05:18
Hollowkat confirmed mafia. Why else would he vote for the town cop. Tim can confirm to you in your mafia chat that he is vanilla town and that my n0 peek is 100% legit.

What importance does this hold ? Is hk mafia as well ? pzelda about the message in which I said "Tim can certainly confirm , can he not? " . I meant to quote this post , but with a slightly different mechanics and icons , I missed out. I have overcome those problems now though.

CutePanda
04-24-2021, 05:32
This one will fetch a lot of controversy. I haven't seen Tim play much , and if there is a seer sort of role , Tim being the first check makes sense , given the reputation he has. Is it too very far fetched that LA is a mafia , doing a fake claim. He does say Tim is town and basically insists on it throughout, until he gives some compelling interactions. I mean he tried to stay ahead of the real cop , by faking early and getting a mech clear . Seems to out of the world idea, I will save it for later usage.

As of c4 dying , I think it should be someone who he townread , but is a wolf.

CutePanda
04-24-2021, 05:35
Vro doesn't seem right to me either. Also , I think we must look for distancing attempts with LA. Either LA is a wolf fake claiming so wolves are trying to pin him , or he is wolf himself trying to get a mech clear. J don't know which one to follow , and suggestions are welcome.

Garden Gnome
04-24-2021, 07:13
If you like I could ask questions and vote for you in two separate posts but that seems inefficient. I voted for you because I felt like you were being evasive in your approach, I asked the question to see who you'd vote for, or to see who you'd suspect. As it is you can take it or leave it. You're still being evasive and defensive. It's still early in the day and I've made it clear there are a number of people I'm suspicious of. If you want to have an actual discussion of the game, my perception of your evasiveness is part of it. To say I'm only trying to be intimidating is disingenuous if you've actually been following my play. My vote is simply an extension of my current thoughts.

Why would you vote me before I answered your questions? I don't think that you are sincere in asking questions so I will answer them when it's convenient to me, which isn't at 2 a.m.

pzelda
04-24-2021, 07:18
How do you explain forced interactions, it seems abstract.

That they don't feel like they fit the post they are a reaction to naturally.

pzelda
04-24-2021, 07:19
What importance does this hold ? Is hk mafia as well ? pzelda about the message in which I said "Tim can certainly confirm , can he not? " . I meant to quote this post , but with a slightly different mechanics and icons , I missed out. I have overcome those problems now though.

Yeah, I noticed that later and took it into consideration.

El-ahrairah
04-24-2021, 08:28
Cool then, It looked like you were faking saltiness. Tbh, I probably need to get distance from you to avoid tunneling you right now.


vote: dolby

Spicy!

Also I notice I missed some post. I will catch up on them later.

El-ahrairah
04-24-2021, 08:29
Vro doesn't seem right to me either. Also , I think we must look for distancing attempts with LA. Either LA is a wolf fake claiming so wolves are trying to pin him , or he is wolf himself trying to get a mech clear. J don't know which one to follow , and suggestions are welcome.

Why is LA always a wolf for you?

Why can't he be town fake-claiming?

El-ahrairah
04-24-2021, 08:30
*goes back to ill-defined RL things for a while*

Lewwyn
04-24-2021, 09:35
Why would you vote me before I answered your questions? I don't think that you are sincere in asking questions so I will answer them when it's convenient to me, which isn't at 2 a.m.

I never set a timeline for you to answer any questions. I vote as I said as an extension of my intent. I’m not interested in lynching a villager so of course I ask questions as well as vote. I would rather hear more from you and see if you are town and change my vote or hear more from you and have my thoughts confirmed.

Also my question is more to say who would you vote for. That would mean who do you suspect of being scum. I don’t think my question much of an onerous burden or a huge inquisition as you are making it out to be. You’ve spent more time claiming to be a victim here than actually providing any substantive reads. You seem more interested in defending than actually scum hunting.

El-ahrairah
04-24-2021, 09:37
Hot take: Gnome/Lew not W/W

Ibn-Khaldun
04-24-2021, 10:06
So, I checked the Tally from the last day..
I think the bandwagon on Rask was all townies. If the mafia was smart they'll just let it happen and vote for someone else so they wouldn't be connected to the Rask lynching.

This is the tally from D1. Btw, it seems Monty didn't remove Tims vote on Dolby after he had voted for Borg. I got confused for a second seeing Tim voting twice..

Rask (6): Csargo, Zelda, Dolby, Borg, Hollow, Lewwyn
Dolby (3): El-A, Tim, Nanook
Zelda (2): Winston, c4
Borg (2): Ibn-K, Tim
Winston (2): Rask, Vroendal
Panda (1): Lewwyn
c4 (1): Panda

Not Voting (2): Gnome, Laurentus

I think the other mafia could be one of these: Vroendal, Nanook, El-A or Winston

Vote: Vroendal

El-ahrairah
04-24-2021, 10:08
I think the other mafia could be one of these: Vroendal, Nanook, El-A or Winston


GTH you probably have 1 wolf there at most, possibly none.

Lewwyn
04-24-2021, 10:28
So, I checked the Tally from the last day..
I think the bandwagon on Rask was all townies. If the mafia was smart they'll just let it happen and vote for someone else so they wouldn't be connected to the Rask lynching.

I think the other mafia could be one of these: Vroendal, Nanook, El-A or Winston

Vote: Vroendal


I think it’s possible the task voters are all townie, but I think you’re putting a lot of faith in that meta.

Why those four and not include panda and gnome? Are they just not on your radar? Also why Vro over the other 3 you mentioned?

Ibn-Khaldun
04-24-2021, 10:46
I think it’s possible the task voters are all townie, but I think you’re putting a lot of faith in that meta.

Why those four and not include panda and gnome? Are they just not on your radar? Also why Vro over the other 3 you mentioned?

Unfortunatelly I don't have the "he played wolf in the last game this way so he must be wolf in this game as well" meta that a lot of you use. I haven't played mafia for almost 7 years and the only person I have played with is Csargo I think but even then it was long time ago.

Why Vroendal? Cause if he ends up being mafia then Winston is more likely a townie. Also, cause Tim voted Borg I like to believe he is not mafia either.

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 11:57
the only person I have played with is Csargo I think but even then it was long time ago.

I'm pretty sure we were in a game or two together back in the day, though I recall no details.

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 12:04
What exactly makes you townlean vroe in that post? The way he scumread you for fairly good reasons or the way he compared himself to el? I think the former is a good list to sr someone, but it might be too focused on picturing you as scum, while being very articulate (in direct contrast to the second part of the post, where Vroe claimed that he couldn't analyze that early) to be a town post. Like my impression is that earl scumreads coming from town are way more chaotic than cleanly posting all reasons for a sr without a hint of doubt.

I know I might be wrong and call me out if you think differently.

I guess it's that it feels like Vroe is trying to explain a thought process he actually went through.

On reflection, though, if he was scum, he could have genuinely thought that I looked like the sk.

Ibn-Khaldun
04-24-2021, 13:13
I'm pretty sure we were in a game or two together back in the day, though I recall no details.

You maybe right. I recognized your name but wasn't sure if we actually played mafia together or it was from somewhere else.

Csargo
04-24-2021, 16:58
I'm here, hello

Csargo
04-24-2021, 16:59
LA's been quiet

Csargo
04-24-2021, 17:11
WH/Lewwyn/Zelda I'll never vote

hk/dolby/la are probs town, but could be sk imo

i liked some of el's posts, I didn't like the joke at pzelda for the pair stuff with Tims

Nanook/GG are here, but I don't really know anything about what they think, so it's hard to sort

the rest

Csargo
04-24-2021, 17:16
I could expand on stuff but I'm lazy. Lewwyn's my weakest take I think.

Garden Gnome
04-24-2021, 18:05
Hot take: Gnome/Lew not W/W

good point!
I'm not scum reading Lew. He comes across as pushy but not as scum. So he gets a town read (reluctantly because I just squandered my opportunity for a very satisfying OMGUS vote).

El-ahrairah
04-24-2021, 18:18
When you're out for hours and expect to come back to a couple dozen posts but instead there's like four -__-

EOD is today, right? As in, in 6-ish hours?

Montmorency
04-24-2021, 18:36
HOST NOTICE

All players must at least cast a vote today to meet participation requirements.



This is the tally from D1. Btw, it seems Monty didn't remove Tims vote on Dolby after he had voted for Borg. I got confused for a second seeing Tim voting twice..


This mistake was not reproduced in the final tally in the D1 writeup.



HOST TALLY 2-2

Vroendal (3): Zelda, Hollow, Ibn
Dolby (2): El-A, Nanook
Visorslash (1): Winston
Winston (1): Csargo
Gnome (1): Lewwyn

Not Voting (6): Dolby, Gnome, Borg, Laurentus, Vro, Panda


Movement

[Dolby] Gnome >> Unvote


EOD 2

Laurentus
04-24-2021, 18:41
Okay, so I can't figure out how to do the multiquotes without it reaching some sort of limit and not allowing me to quote any more posts, so I guess I'll just take these ones for now and continue afterwards:


ngl want to townread this

Where are your walls and why are you already town-reading people, alternate-me?


probably equal

I'm a little puzzled by the OP

the thread is simple; we just chop Raskol, Chessguy, and HK, and if the wolves haven't slaughtered Argon for claiming cop we circle back and chop him

Who of these people did Tim end up pushing? Because good look for whoever he seriously pushed, given his flip. Bad/neutral look for those he didn't.


my partner will protect me...they are a doc/mason

Who claimed doc/mason, if any?


There's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark out, we're wearing sunglasses, and I'm killing Csargo.

Did he end up pushing?


Hardclaim: Muller

What on God's green earth is a muller?


Good morning fellow space citizens!

Page 1 - It looks like there's a wolf in csargo/rask. Dolby feels good. Borg guts town for fake derping.
Page 2 - I guess both wolves and towns posted on the page, but nothing decisive.
Page 3 - Lewwyn's choice of posts to respond to is noteworthy, but too light to be alignment indicative. Csargo being more active than usual is mildly unsettling.

Overall, not much to talk about yet. HK and Csargo could be waffles together, if Rask town, but that's a nasty association I got here. HK's approach to this game feels slightly diferent than the last time, but my alignment was different back then and It was easy to see towniness in his posts.
Rask feels really hyped for this game despite claiming light disappointment about his role. I haven't decided if it's a good look yet.
C4 posted enough for me to notice them, but that's all I can say about their posts with certainty.
Tim not flooding the gates with posts probably should be a villa lean, but it would be a meh meta lean.

Villa leans: Dolby, Borg
Scum potential: Rask, Csargo, HK

Highlighted and underlined the portions I'm addressing. I get a strong info-not-analysis read off the first two highlighted portions, and that alone makes me wolf-lean.

From the 3rd, why are HK and Csargo wolves if Rask is Town?

4th one still bothers me for sounding super non-commital.

I am still on p3 now. Will catch up with the rest in due time.

Laurentus
04-24-2021, 18:42
Okay, just saw the vote count. Vro at maj, huh? Wha' happun?

BorgPicard
04-24-2021, 18:47
I am going to be consistent with my beliefs and
vote: Nanook
The push on Dolby was very sus, and I think there was another wolf among the people on the wagon.

Garden Gnome
04-24-2021, 18:47
I'm here, hello

me, too. Hello.

Garden Gnome
04-24-2021, 18:48
I am going to be consistent with my beliefs and
vote: Nanook
The push on Dolby was very sus, and I think there was another wolf among the people on the wagon.

Could you tell me more why you think that Nanook is scum?

BorgPicard
04-24-2021, 18:48
Laurentus, to clarify what Tim was talking about, I had faked my cop check on him as an alignment check as a Mason, when it was in truth an alignment check as mafia.

Laurentus
04-24-2021, 18:48
It seems quite abstract from pzelda , he starts reading wolf based on nothing. D1 reads seems quite out of place to me .

Nah, not really, if you're used to dying early, gotta make that D1 count.

El-ahrairah
04-24-2021, 18:48
Who of these people did Tim end up pushing? Because good look for whoever he seriously pushed, given his flip. Bad/neutral look for those he didn't.


Well, two of them are dead.

And town.

BorgPicard
04-24-2021, 18:49
Could you tell me more why you think that Nanook is scum?

I already stated my only reason. I can elaborate tomorrow once my alignment check comes in.

Laurentus
04-24-2021, 18:49
Panda towny

On the other hand you are handing these things out like candy.

El-ahrairah
04-24-2021, 18:49
I think Tim is the kind of player who expects other players to go RULE OF THREE ZOMG so purposely subverts that.

Laurentus
04-24-2021, 18:51
Laurentus, to clarify what Tim was talking about, I had faked my cop check on him as an alignment check as a Mason, when it was in truth an alignment check as mafia.

What? Why? And did you end up voting for him before pressure mounted?

Laurentus
04-24-2021, 18:53
I think I am gonna TR Tim for wanting Csargo's head. (I am going to ignore the fact he wants them all for the time being, he made a seperate post for Csargo which feels about right)

Well, this is kinda awkward given Tim's flip, innit?

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 18:56
What on God's green earth is a muller?

one who mulls

also german for miller

Laurentus
04-24-2021, 19:00
Is there a way to ISO here?

Csargo
04-24-2021, 19:00
me, too. Hello.

you got any sweet takes GG?

Winston Hughes
04-24-2021, 19:01
Is there a way to ISO here?

click on the number of replies for this thread on the main gameroom screen

BorgPicard
04-24-2021, 19:05
What? Why? And did you end up voting for him before pressure mounted?

Well that would require me to hardclaim alignment cop and I would only get mafia to believe me.

hollowkatt
04-24-2021, 19:17
I think Tim is the kind of player who expects other players to go RULE OF THREE ZOMG so purposely subverts that.

I think all good wolves do that, and that rule of 3 is functionally meaningless anyways.